Jacob & Esau - Origin of Animus?

1:17Ian MalcolmOh, well, hello there, Hunter. good to have you up here, and looks like we're gonna get Oliver up here. And, very excited for this, and, and, Oliver, I wanna thank you for your, your promptness, because, yesterday we had a space, and unfortunately our guest had lost power due to a large storm, and, I, I was, I was just a little anxious for whatever reason that, we might have a repeat performance here. But I wanna thank you, my friend, Oliver, so great to have you from, from-- I'm, I'm not sure, are you, you're in Germany today or, or no↗

1:59Ian MalcolmCan you hear us,↗

2:00Speaker 1Oliver? Sorry, yeah, no, I'm in the Philippines. It's 10 o'clock in the morning here.↗

2:06Ian MalcolmAlright, an international man of mystery from the Philippines. And, always such a, such a honor to have you in the space, so humbled, for everything that we're gonna be discussing here today, especially, given the nature of this, topic. And, and I just, as a quick little, shout out, I, I wanna thank you not only for bringing the subject, to my attention, but also, for just having the thought to, to share it and to say, hey, this is something I would love to speak about. and I say that because- For everybody that's listening, that's either in the audience with us now or that might, be listening to the playback, I, I am open to any and all conversations. I love just being able to learn from you, Oliver, from everybody else that's out there. And so I'm very excited for your take on, essentially this, this, religious origin story and, and the way that it plays into theology today. and, and I mean, what more pressing moment in time, Oliver, than, than now to be discussing these things↗

3:10Ian MalcolmInsanity, we're seeing every single day, and I'm sure you just saw about forty eight hours ago, the Australian national who got up for Australia Day to support his patriotism, to basically say that he thought it was under threat and attack by a certain group of people, and then he promptly walked off stage, and despite, as far as I can tell, not saying anything radical or violent, he was promptly arrested for merely suggesting that one group has too much power. And so, really excited to, to get your thoughts on Some of this, this biblical history and how the, the theology of yesterday may play into some of the insanity of today, but, real quick, Oliver, just with current events, kinda curious for your thoughts on what we saw take place in Australia, if you think that that's going to, continue, not just across perhaps London, where we're already seeing these types of arrests for online behavior, but if you think these things are gonna spread essentially across the globe, or if you think we're looking at prospectively people starting to wake up to some of the truths that you- You and I talk about when it comes to power structures.↗

4:13Speaker 1Yeah, I, I think it will spread and, still America is the last man standing because you don't have a speech loss, even with the guy I think that didn't even violate any, speech law. But I also wanted to mention the funny thing is I, I wanted to suggest the topic of Jacob and Esau to you before, but I just wanted to wait for, you know, for the right moment and then this Christian Zionist ca- comes along and is referring to that story because he- He's referring to Obadiah, we, we will talk about that later. So it's a perfect timing, it all fits together, and this story is really the, the most, one of the most important stories in the Bible and which explains a lot of things going on today.↗

4:55Ian MalcolmNo, it absolutely does, and, and that's gonna be some of the curious piece of this, because, you know, the, the more-- and I, I know Oliver, you've, looked at the, the idea of the Jewish question top to bottom and every which way. you've been studying these things at this point, if I'm not mistaken, for decades, and looking not only at the political power, but also the media, the economic influence, and then trying to understand the religious aspects of it, whether it's the-- and we just saw the other day,↗

5:24Ian MalcolmThat, somehow, he said, there's going to be the resurrection of the third temple of David, and we can understand the insanity of that. And, and actually, Oliver, I mean, to, to, to bring maybe that up, I, I don't think a lot of people would hear something like that. It would just go in one ear and out the other. And I don't think a lot of people realize perhaps the significance because inherent in developing that temple would be the destruction of the Ali Al Asqa mosque, which, if I'm not mistaken- Would essentially be war against the entirety of, of Islam, or at least that's the way that I would interpret something like that. So, these things that we're gonna talk about today, you know, the, the, the wildest piece about it is whether it's the red heifers, the idea of the third temple. I mean, we clearly are seeing the rise of, and a lot of people wanna point the finger at Zionism But Zionism is a rather, you know, in the grand scheme of things, it's a rather recent political philosophy of about the last century and a half. But I think what we're talking about here and the idea of the third Temple of David, these are, these are biblical ideas. So really excited to have you start to unpack these and maybe start to have people in the audience that are aware of Jewish supremacy and maybe they, they, they understand Zionism, but for them to start to understand the implications of some of these things that aren't just going back centuries, but essentially- Going back to the, the time of Jesus, if not the time of Moses, if not even before that, right?↗

6:52Speaker 1Exactly. It, it all began there. And as you said, Zionism is a new phenomenon, it, it plays into all of that, but, yeah, it all began in, in the Torah, and we will unwrap that.↗

7:04Ian MalcolmYeah, absolutely. And as a way to quickly, introduce, the space and yourself, I mean, I'm obviously familiar because of the last, conversation that we hosted, but for anybody that's either Now or that might join and listen to the playback, would you mind giving a bit on yourself, your history, the, the kind of, let's say, the trajectory that got you looking into this idea of, of Jewish, Jewish supremacy and Zionism, and perhaps some of the, the history that you've looked into and the reason for it when it comes to some of the, the philosophical or theological aspects of it?↗

7:39Speaker 1Yeah, my own bio I make short. You can, you can read it on, on my profile. There, there are links to that. So I'm a former mainstream journalist. I wrote several bestselling books, which were, which were praised by leading scholars, but the scholars were mostly economics scholars. There was one theologian who praised my work, but it wasn't about religion. And then I, yeah, I, I turned to the Bible, and my, my latest book is about the Bible, and then I went very deep there, and I was very surprised what, what I discovered. So,↗

8:12Speaker 1now I know it's all about religion. It's, it's all about the spiritual, matter of things, and, you can't understand what's going on if you don't understand that. And it's all in the Bible, but it's different than everybody thinks. So we will come to that only, in terms of Jacob and Esau, but there are many, many things. I'll give you just one ex-short example. So,↗

8:35Speaker 1there are, theologians who say that the- The prophecy of the, of, greater Israel from the river to the sea was already, already fulfilled with Solomon's, empire. So that's just one example. So everybody's going there and, and interpre- interprets it, i-is his way, and especially we come to that today, the Talmudic interpretation is different and the, and the Kabbalistic interpretation is different, from what's in the Torah. But the Torah itself already talks about chosen people. So it, it's a mixture of many things, and today I- I only want to concentrate on Jacob and Esau because that's, yeah, that's a very important story and, and we can talk about that for, for hours already, so I won't touch the temple and so on. That would be another space, or maybe you already had one about that. No,↗

9:22Ian Malcolmand, and, and look, that's, I, I bring it up just because, you know, we hear a lot of people suggest that this is just about either Zionism or that it's about Israel. I, I believe that it is essentially Jewish supremacy. the thing that's curious is once you kind of eject yourself from that it is just Netanyahu or just Israel or just Zionism, and you come to this idea of, of Jewish supremacy, you then have to try and understand that is, it's essentially, at least in my opinion, there is a genetic aspect of it. there is a heritage And a cultural aspect, and then there is the religious aspect. And what's very curious is that we can look at whether it's Einstein, who apparently was rather agnostic, and wasn't necessarily a follower of a lot of the religious elements of, Judaism, but he was a Jew. and we could come all the way to the present, and some might say that people like Tony Blinken, who are shaping world events, they were shaping the Biden administration, you know, these individuals, regardless of their- Religious, theology, you know, they're obviously participating in this system for the construction of what appears to be the greater Israel, and so we have to understand why that is, what they're working towards, and why is it that there's all this massive amount of money and this confluence of economic, financial, incentives that are being pushed and motivated to construct and conduct war, to send billions, if not trillions of dollars for the, the building of this future empire And how that goes back all the way to something biblical that not only might explain where they're trying to go, but it also might tell us why they might hold an animosity towards certain groups of people, certain races, or they might feel entitled through either their culture or their religion to not only mass murder where needed, but also enslave essentially everybody. And so this idea of Jacob and Esau and how all of this came to be, what, what would be wonderful to do Oliver, for those that might not be as familiar with this story, maybe what we could do is to try to give some context, and if you wouldn't mind giving some of the biblical background on these two individuals, how they play into this picture, the timeline that we're talking about, so trying to set the stage of this story so that people can understand where this might sit within the greater context of either some of the biblical events or some of the geopolitical, occurrences of, of yesteryear, that might be a really great way to, to start this. and unpack it.↗

11:59Speaker 1Right. So first, first, the official story in, in the Bible, everyca-- everybody can look that up. So Jacob and Esau are twin sons of Isaac and Rebecca. So even before they are born, they struggle in the womb, and God tells Rebecca that two nations are in her womb, womb, and that the older will judge the younger. So the, the, the older would be Esau because Esau is born first, hairy and strong, grows up to be a hunter, works in the field. Jacob is, is born holding Esau's heel and becomes a quieter, home-oriented guy. w- Isaac, the father, favors Esau, which is important, while Rebecca favors Jacob, so Jacob was mommy's favorite. It's important if you look, let's say, at the mindset of this group of people. al-always think of now, when, when I, when I tell the whole story, you, you will already begin to realize what's going on there. So one day, Esau comes home, ex- Fasted and hungry, and Jacob offers him stew in exchange for Esau's birthright, so the privileges of the first born. Esau agrees, effectively giving up his birthright for a meal. But later, when Esau gets old and blind, he tends to give Esau his fatherly blessing. Rebecca helps Jacob, also important, Rebecca helps Jacob disguise himself as Esau using Esau's clothes and animal skins to mimic his hairiness. Esau, suspicious but convinced, blesses Jacob Prosperity and leader, leadership. So essentially giving his, his, high heir to, to, Jacob. When Esau discovers the discap- deception, he is devastated and vows to kill Jacob. Jacob flees to his uncle, Laban in Haran. So while in exile, Jacob marries Leah and Rachel, has children, becomes wealthy. Years later, Jacob returns to Canaan because he need-- he needs help. I think he tricked somebody. He, That's also important, but you have to look into that. I think you can interpret it as he's betraying someone, so he returns to Canaan fearing Esau's revenge, of course. So before that meeting, Jacob wrestles with a mysterious divine being, also a big story with different, interpretations, and is renamed Israel. So he's the forefather of the Israelites. That's very important. When the brothers finally, meet, Esau surprisingly forgives Jacob and embraces him. They go their separate ways, each becoming the ancestor of a nation: Jacob of Israel and Esau of Edom. And because that's so important, I- I give you the ver- verses here also, Genesis thirty-three, four. The verse reads, "And Esau ran to meet him and embraced him and fell on his neck and kissed him and they wept, so they reconciled. And even more, I just discovered it now, it's not even in my book, Genesis thirty-three, ten.↗

14:59Speaker 1Jacob, insisted Esau accepts the generous, generous gift, saying, "No, please, if I have found favor in your sight, then receive this gift from my hand, for indeed I have seen your face, and it is like seeing the face of God, since you have received me favorably." So this is a positive story in the Bible, but mainly positive, because of how Esau reacts, because, you know, Jacob tricked him with the help of, of the mother and- Esau forgives him. So there are some rabbis who also see it in this way. They say, they say Jacob represents the, the spiritual world and Esau more the material world, and they reconcile and, and that is meant to-- that you have to, yeah, combine the spiritual side and the, and the material side of man, which is, by and large a positive story, but because Jacob is the bad guy in the story, obviously, and he is the ancestor of- The Israelites, they had to twist the story. So,↗

16:04Speaker 1maybe here already, and we can talk about that later, but you see the archetypal, situation here. So Jacob was Mummy's favorite and didn't work physically. He so built his own wealth based on production. So if you see, where the Jewish people work today, they are over-represented, in finance, media, marketing, lawyers, and so on. So what, what does these all have in common? They don't produce anything. I'm not saying it's worthless, because of course you also need marketing, but it's important to see that ISO stands for production, for production and, and Jacob for, you know, like things like marketing and so on. They, they aren't really productive. And that's also very interesting Thing, in my opinion, because what country is most famous for being productive? It's Germany, and we had that in, i-in our last space already when,↗

17:02Speaker 1Rabbi Joseph Chaim Sonnenfeld, ref- he referred to the Amalekites, Amalek, when talking about Germany wh-when he refused to greet Emperor Wilhelm the Second during his visit to Palestine. But I discovered another- Thing, it wasn't ni- eighteen ninety-eight, and, so what's important there is that, sorry, Amalek was the grandson of Esau. So somehow they identified correctly, Germany with Amalek and Esau because Germany is a very, or was a very productive nation, you know, and the quality of the products, they're famous for engineering or the patent, patents they stole after World War II for example. by the way. So, but what I discovered just now, that, that's super amazing. During the Istanbul audience, the Kaiser asked Theodor Herzl, none other than Theodor Herzl, what he wished him to, to ask of the Sultan, and, Herzl replied, a chartered company under German protection. So in, in Israel, what is now Israel, they wanted their own land. The Kaiser brought that subject up twice with, with the Sultan, who, you know- Over, over the region, it was the Ottoman em-Ottoman Empire, and the Sultan refused, even in return for the Jews assuming the sizable, Turkish foreign debt, as Zionism was highly unpopular amongst the local population. So I, I find that so archetypal because here you clearly see they condemn Hasbun, but he is a nice and naive, guy and even tried to help the Zionists at that point, but on the other side he was condemned. For me, that's just mind-boggling and also, you know, ties to things,↗

18:57Speaker 1We, we see today. So that's the official story, and, I don't know if you have questions right there now, so, or I- Yeah, no, it, it's actually,↗

19:07Ian Malcolmlet's, let's kind of, jump in here, and I, I, I see that we have Veritas with his hand up, and, and so we'll, we'll go to him, first, but really quickly, just to give a quick little playback, and, and please, Oliver, correct me if anything↗

19:27Ian MalcolmSo the two primal characters here, we've got, of course, Jacob and Esau, the sons of Isaac and Rebecca, and even in, their birth, Oliver, right? These-- this is a woman who had been barren, they had prayed, tried to figure out how to conceive, and so even the act of having these two kids was a very big deal, of course. but what's very curious, right? This idea of the, the birthright, this idea of the bloodline, all these things obviously important. But it's so curious the very clear distinction that they make, the red hair of Esau, the bigger, stronger, more productive of the brothers, who is of course the father's favorite because he's out there, he's hunting, he's athletic, he's doing all of these things. And then you've got Jacob, the kind of meek individual who is, I suppose you'd call him loosely, the mama's boy, right? He lives in the tent, doesn't do a whole lot, to, to let's say, build the world, but what he does do↗

20:25Ian MalcolmDeceive at every turn, right? He cooks this stew, and as his brother is out, again, being productive, hunting, doing all of these things to try and beget, not only productivity, but expending his energy to, to forage and to build, right? He comes back, and the brother basically says, who's been sitting there in the tent doing, I suppose, a little bit of cooking of this stew, he says, "Hey, give me everything, and I won't let you die from exhaustion," right? I think it's really important to, to reference that↗

20:55Ian MalcolmFood for that, birthright. He, he says something to the extent of, "Uh, if I'm gonna die anyway from exhaustion and from hunger, well, then you might as well have it, regardless." Right? And, and so like, what a fitting, way for this to be passed from one to the other, the, the, the worker bee who's diligently doing everything and, and is essentially worked to the bone just long enough so that the brother can then swindle him out of this right, which even then, when having it, is, is, is not utilized So it feels like, to, again, to your point, it feels like a rather perfect microcosm or, or personification of this very group of people that we're talking about, whose, you know, even the motto of the Mossad was, "Through deception we shall wage war," right? Even deceiving, in this case, their own brother, their own father, their own family, right?↗

21:46Speaker 1Exactly. So for me, it's archetypal, but of course, I have to say that it's not all of them, but it's like it's a generalization. and mostly it's done by, you know, rich billionaires, and not the ordinary people, I, I always have to say that. But, so we go quickly because I, I brought the, the topic up because of the Christian Zionist, and which also is of Sephardic, descent, I think Sam Parker found that out. And she referred to, and it's about the threats against Charlie Kirk, so that's why this all ta- ties together. And he, she refers to Obadiah, which is a rather obscure prophet, which isn't that important initially in, in the Torah, but it gets very important in the Talmud and later in the Kabbalah. And I just want to,↗

22:37Speaker 1cite this, this important verse. It says there, "The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame." And the house of Esau's double, they shall burn them and consume them, and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau, for the Lord has spoken. So I tried to, tried to find in the Bible why is this, this even happening? Maybe somebody else found it, I don't even find it, but Esau did wrong because what Esau, basically did, said, "Okay, I built my own empire, never mind, I, I didn't get the, the birthright, just leave me alone," which also is a metaphor what's Because everybody of us would say, "Okay, do your religion, do your things, but just leave us alone, don't drag us in your wars." So or even if you, if you take the LGBTQ, topic, in the time of their agendas, I think you know that already. So what we say is just leave our kids alone, do what you want, you know, within your group, but just leave us alone. That's what Esau was, basically doing. And what, but what is important, what later happened? Later, Esau and Edom was identified with the gentiles, and that's the most, I think I read it last time already, but i-it's, worth repeating. So according to Gershom Scholem in the Messianic Idea in Judaism, the Zohar identifies Esau with all gentiles who will be destroyed. The verse is, not the verse, the, what, what Gershom Scholem writes in his book, "The gentiles who are designated Esau or Edom, however, will suffer the opposite fate. They received the light in this world at a single stroke, but them gradually until Israel shall grow strong and destroy them. I also brought,↗

24:23Speaker 1the quotes of the, of the, in, in, within the Sefer HaChai, where it's, where it's written like that. I don't know if I, should read all of that. but maybe for, going to the Talmud now, because the, the Kabbalah is later, and you can say, yeah, the, these are all, you know, strange people, the Kabbalists. I think they are in power, but,↗

24:45Speaker 1Who are the scabalis. But in the Talmud already, Esau is depicted, depicted far more negatively than in the plain Torah text. The rabbis describe him as violent, impulsive, morally corrupt, engaging in adultery, sexual immorality, and murder. But none of that is in the Torah, so it's just an invention after the fact, after the fact. And so his sale of the birth, birthright is treated as proof of deep spirit, of deep spiritual contempt, not just hunger. Esau becomes the archetype of, of wicked power, later identified symbolically, that's already in the Talmud with Edom, and in post-biblical interpretation with Rome, the oppressive empire that subjugates Israel. So now they're identified with Rome and Chris-- later with Christiani-- Christianity, and as I said in the Kabbalah, it goes even further It's all the gentiles. So, and the later reconciliations are the good thing in the Torah,↗

25:44Speaker 1is between the brothers is treated with deep ambivalence. Some rabbis read Esau's embrace as sincere repentance, while others view it as temporary or deceptive ga-gesture. So the noble gesture of Esau is, is portrayed in the Talmud as being deceptive. So they turn it, I call it satanic reversal, though they turn everything, back on their head. And so maybe, maybe one thing, of the Zohar, so that you have the, the proof for that. Zohar one, one thirty-seven B, Esau is the portion of the other side, Sita Akhar, this is the evil side, and from him issue all the powers of the nations of the world. All the powers of the nations of the world. So Esau is the bad guy, Esau is evil, and all the other nations in the world come from this evil side. So that's how it, how it's looked at, in, in the Zohar. Zohar three, three, for example, one hundred ninety-nine A, Edom is Rome, and Rome is the head of all kingdom, kingdoms that oppress Israel. So there, there's a slightly different view in the, in the Tanya, which is, the Bible more or less↗

26:56Speaker 1of the Which i-it's seen more, i-i-in part it's seen as that Jacob and Esau is within the Jewish soul and the, and they struggle, but even in the Tanya, they again, refer to it that this, you know, evil, evil, part of the soul is more prevalent in, in the soul of the nations. Maybe this one quote because, you know, it's an audio so you can look it up later. so they say in, in the Tanya, the souls of the nations Nations of the world, however, emanate from the other unclean killepot, which contain no good what whatsoever, as it's written in Ech Kaim, Pottle ninety four, chapter three, that all the good that the nations do is done from selfish motives. So the Gamara comments on the verse, "The kindness of the nations is sin," that all the, the charity and kindness done by the nations of the world is only for their own self glorification and so on. So- So you see here some astonishing, reversal, satanic reversal, because look at their charities. What, what are their charities doing? Let, let's say George Soros, they always say it's for the better, of mankind, but in, in reality they destroy it, and they totally reverse it here. They say the nations, if they pretend to be good, they aren't good. So that's the double sub-deception. They, they turn it all around.↗

28:24Speaker 1when I read that, it's just, unbelievable. Or how they reverse everything. So, so I, I want to summarize it a little bit. I, I can go deeper into Saur and so on if you want. So my summary is: Jacob was Mami's favorite who gained wealth by deception. Esau is the good-hearted, naive gentile who worked for his own wealth and even forgave Jacob. Then he gets backstabbed in the Talmud and the Kabbalah. So even the defamation strategy is in the Talmud. So, think A-ADL. ADL calls themselves the Anti-Defamation What are they doing? They are defaming gentiles. So, and that's exactly what's in the Talmud, they are defaming Esau, although he was the good guy. So for me, that's just, I mean, it's like, it's like divine,↗

29:11Speaker 1that, that's all in there, but they turn it around, but we can look at it now and see, yeah, that's exactly what hap- what's happening.↗

29:18Ian MalcolmIsn't it, and it's just fascinating the, the parallels, right? And that's, that's one When it comes to a lot of these stories, both old and New Testament, I, I find so much of it, let's say it is so oddly relevant and timeless that it lends me to believe that there is a lot more there than simply the idea of parables. and that these things are, you know, of, of biblical proportions, pun intended, but both literally and figuratively. And when it comes to Jacob and Esau, it is just, it's wild because we can see the similarities in so many regards where- Even the↗

30:00Ian MalcolmMost productive, good-willed individual that's out trying to do their part, and, and perhaps I, I don't know if this is gonna be a good comparison, but I, I think of somebody, like Charlie Kirk Where they were out there pushing the message of essentially Zionism and, let, let's just say carrying water for this system, perhaps they became, let's say less beneficial to them, and the moment that happened, so too, you know, had to go their voice, is maybe the right way to think about it. And they are a value, and when I say they, I mean Charlie Kirk and his memorial and, and what they've been building, now with Erika taking the mantle, pushing the narrative All these other kind of things, but if, let's say that the story was reversed in the sense that if Charlie Kirk's legacy wouldn't have been positive, right? They would have simply thrown the person under the bus, and even in their aftermath, even once they're gone, once they can't defend themselves, just like Yisrael, I suppose, in the Talmud, here, even though they've served their purpose, they've been backstabbed, they have no ability to get back even there, they have to reverse the story to make the, the hero the villain↗

31:10Ian MalcolmAnd so it's just this unwillingness to ever take accountability, perhaps for wrongdoings, and again, not saying all anybody do anything, but these stories really do seem, again, to transcend time, and they feel so descriptive of the world that we have around us. So, I know we got a lot of really wonderful additional speakers up here, and Veritas came up very early on. would love Veritas if, if you wouldn't share some- Oh, I just,↗

31:32Speaker 2oh, I just want to add one, one thing. Sorry, I want to add one thing. I already have Metaphorically, because we were talking about Charlie Kirk, metaphorically Jacob killed Esau, and I want to explain that. So, Tyler Robinson's middle name was James, Tyler James Robinson. James is the brother of Jesus, but in, in the Greek original, it's "Jacobus," so it's Jacob. So metaphorically, Jacob killed Esau. Esau Kirk means church, of course, Charlie Kirk also mean, was a Christian, and his middle- Name was also James, so figuratively, he, he, he killed his own brother. Tyler killed his own brother. He didn't, he didn't do it of course, but according to the official story, he killed his own, own brother beca-because both have the middle name James, which is the brother of Jesus. I don't know how they do that, or it's a synchronicity,↗

32:31Speaker 2but I think it's very spooky that metaphorically speaking, Jacob killed Esau here.↗

32:39Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And, and with that, let's go to Veritas. Veritas, very curious for your thoughts on either the story or anything that Oliver might have shared. I, I know this is something you've certainly done a lot of research and, and, and, back study on.↗

32:53Speaker 3Yeah, hello, Ian, and, hello, Oliver. I have some, some pushback. First of all, when it comes to the name, Charlie Kirk, his name is Charles James, Kirk, which is directly translated as, the Freemasonic, Church of Israel. the name Tyler is, That is the position that a, that a freemasonic guard has at freemasonic lodges. The name Robinson comes from Rabino Vitz, which means the son of a rabbi.↗

33:32Speaker 2Yeah, okay. Please go back to Charlie. Why is Charlie, why is it Freemason? I, I, I didn't get that. Why is Charles, James Robinson, why is that? it's,↗

33:40Speaker 3it's a freemasonic theater. It is a staged assassination.↗

33:46Speaker 2Yeah, but it's not the name Charles, or what-- I don't, I don't get the part about Charlie being, being the freeman thing. Charles comes,↗

33:54Speaker 3comes-- Charles comes from German Karl, which means the, the free man, right? Kirk is the Scottish name of a church, and James is the English version of Jacob, which is Israel.↗

34:12Speaker 2so you, you were saying free men means freemason in, in that, in that--↗

34:17Speaker 3Yes, be-because Freemasons have been free men.↗

34:21Speaker 2Okay, yeah, interesting, yes. Okay.↗

34:25Speaker 3I, I have a slightly issues with, with your take on, on this twisting of, of the narrative. first of all, Jacob was wrestling with God and became the blessing of God at the, Jabok, right? Ultimately, he got, he got the blessing, which is written in the Bible. And, I appreciate your take, but I think you, you have some misconception there. In, in my opinion, right? That's up for debate and, take it with a grain of salt, of course. I'm not, trying to discredit you in any, way. But, if you, if you look at the archetype of, Esau and, Jacob, Jacob was the agricultural Will,↗

35:14Speaker 3a type of person that tried to establish a civilization, while Esau was a, a very furious man that was only capable of hunting, right? The, the predator.↗

35:31Speaker 3So I, I've, I've, I've some, some takes on that. If you read the Talmud, they collectively call all white, all white people Romans and claim they are the tribe of Esau, a tribe they believe they are mandated to wipe out. What's interesting about that is that most modern Jews are actually from the tribe of Esau. One hundred forty years before the birth of Christ, all of the Edomites were conquered, naturalized, and converted by John Hyrcanus, becoming Judeans or Jews. They quickly came to power through the Herodian dynasty and killed the true Judean royalty and all the high priests, replacing them with their own. This is why when Christ was born, Herod wanted to kill him, as he knew the Messiah would rule Remove the Edomites from the throne. The Edomite Jews rejected Jesus entirely and continue to reject him even to this day, while most of the true Israelites turned to Christ and became Christian as his sheep heard his voice, like in John ten I am the God Shepherd and know my sheep and I'm known of mine. But ye Jews believe not because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.↗

36:46Speaker 3in the Jewish encyclopedias from nineteen twenty-five, nineteen seventy-one, and nineteen eighty, I par- paraphrase that Esau Edom is modern Jewry. Edomite Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in the 1860s. And strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.↗

37:16Speaker 3yeah, when you go to Revelation 3:9, I guess everyone knows the, passage about the synagogue of Satan so Jesus knew these men were impostors. All this can be verified in history through the people such as Flavius Josephus, who described how all Edomians, so the Edomites, were converted to Judaism.↗

37:51Ian MalcolmOliver, did you wanna comment on that? I heard the, I heard the sigh. I'm not sure if that was a- I heard the sigh too.↗

37:56Speaker 2Yeah, what was↗

37:57Ian Malcolmthat?↗

37:58Speaker 2No, no. Do you hear me now? Yeah,↗

38:01Ian Malcolmwe did. Veritas, Veritas finished and all we heard was, "Ah," and I don't know if that was intentional or, or otherwise.↗

38:08Speaker 2No, no, no. The sigh was because I didn't hear, the last few sentences he said. That was the sigh. That's because you heard him say "synagogue stay," and that'll get you↗

38:16Speaker 4arrested↗

38:17Speaker 2where Oliver is. No, no, no, no, no, that, that's okay. So, It, it, it was a lot, lot to unpack here. So going back to, he didn't wrestle with God, he, he wrestled with somebody, and the somebody wanted the blessing of Jacob, so it can't be God. That's just one interpretation, and, and it's a mystery, there are different interpretations. So there is one, I think it's a Kabbalistic or rabbinic interpretation, interpretation that he wrestled even with Esau. And, but that, but that's, a long and, and complicated story. I don Dis- dispute the, the, the history of the Edomites. I'm just analyzing, you know, the, the, the meaning,↗

39:03Speaker 2the, the Talmudic and Kabbalistic meaning of, of Esau, and, this isn't to be conflicted with the, with the real history. So, but, if I have him there, and he already mentioned, John ten, I think, I want to, you know, cite something else. I didn't know that we go there, but, it's John eleven, and I, I want to have his, his take on this also. So in John eleven,↗

39:29Speaker 2Caiaphas, Caiaphas is the, is the head of the Sanhedrin, who sentenced, Jesus to death before the Romans did. And then in first, John eleven fifty-one, it says, "Now he didn't say this on his own initiative, but since he was high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation." So in per, per- In their perspective, Jesus died for the, for the Jews, you can say, or the Israelites, but he, he conflicted that now, so let's say the Jews, and that refers to the scapegoat tradition in the Old Testament, you know, where the, the, the Yom Kippur ritual, where, two goats were chosen by lot, one sacrificed to God and the other designated as a sale, sent into the wilderness bearing the sins Of the Israelites after their high priest confessed them over it. Later there was an evolution, so,↗

40:30Speaker 2the second goat was pushed off a cliff. So in their opinion, they sacrificed Jesus for their sins. And that's already an odd thing that you have to sacrifice, or you can sacrifice, an animal and then your sins are forgiven, but that's where they come from. And,↗

40:49Speaker 2And they do it today, or there's some group who, who, who waves this chicken ab-above their heads and, and, and, and they put the sins on the chicken and then they kill the chicken, which is already an odd thing because it means you can commit sins, but it's forgiven if you kill, in this case, an animal or later even Jesus. So what, what does you think about that?↗

41:12@malleusigHere's Oliver, that is actually one of the most important cultural allegories, because when you really think about it, and you think about world history, you realize that's what they did with the Tsar, that's what they did with Hitler. And that's what they're doing with the Gazans. Like every, every situation we have where there's a, a mass killing or a, the destruction of some national force that rose up against them, the first thing they did before they fought them was transfer their sins onto that person or onto that culture, right? Right. And what that does Is the transference of their sins onto their victim makes their victim,↗

42:00@malleusigeasier to kill. Yes. You see? And this is one of the most insidious parts of Jewish culture is that they have this very unique, attack and domination style where before they kill you, they will take the time to construct a thorough reputation destruction campaign Campaign so that when they attack you, no one wants to stand up for you, and when you're gone, dead and gone, nobody mourns you.↗

42:31Speaker 2Yeah, and that was even the case of Charlie Kirk, but they reversed that then. They, they attacked him already in, I think, Israeli pa- newspapers as an antisemite before he died, but then, of course, they paddled back and said, "No, he was the biggest friend of Israel," but they tried to do that with, with Charlie↗

42:47@malleusigalso. Yeah, that's, that's, that One of the reasons why I'm really beginning to come around to this idea that any, any libeling of you or person as an anti-Semite without actual proof that they actually, that they do hate Jews for no reason, right? Any of this libeling of people that they're an anti-Semite or they're a Nazi or they're yada yada yada, it has to be treated as an overt death threat Like we need to start treating these as what they are, because what they are is they're the, they're the laying the groundwork to kill you. That's, that's whether they actually follow through or not, it's still a death↗

43:25Speaker 2threat And, and just look what, how, how open this Christian Zionist woman who is of Sephardic descent, her threats were even combined with the Obadiah, text. So that was a clear death threat, in my opinion. I don't know if she knows, you know, if she's in on it, but, but at least it, yeah, it's the mo-- the most open threat I would say. And, and she even, talks about, yeah, Esau being the enemies of the Israelite people and so on. So, yeah, I, I also perceive that as death threats, also against Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. I mean, they said it in the Knesset that they are antisemites, and, and, and Tucker Carlson is really, he, he's, you know, so often says, no, it's not about, you cannot judge up somebody how he's born, like, you know, a Jew or a Muslim or, or whatever. So he, he really,↗

44:19Speaker 2you cannot construe any antisemitism in Tucker Carlson, and still he's called an It's, it's just↗

44:28@malleusigstraight up gangsterism. It's literally just their version of, "Hey, nice place you got here. It would be a shame if something happened to it."↗

44:36Ian MalcolmHey, and, and Rabbi, I'd, I'd be really curious, be-because we just heard kind of Oliver's take, we heard Veritas, which is, slightly different, right? I, I'd be curious for your thoughts on this idea of, of Jacob and Esau, how you interpret those two characters, if you would personify the two Of, let's say, either modern peoples today or of, of nations, and, and, and kind of any additional color that you might wanna give to it, 'cause I know you're a wonderful storyteller.↗

45:07@malleusigthanks. I'm also long-winded, so before I do that, I know I jumped in front of Veritas and Heydrich, so is it okay, like, Veritas and Heydrich is okay if I talk in this? Did you wanna go first?↗

45:19Speaker 3no, you can go. I have no clue when my connection, was broken, so I, I was basically talking like two minutes to a wall because I had the app, down and I wasn't my note. but yeah, please go ahead, man.↗

45:37Speaker 2Go ahead, Rafa, you're, you're fine, you're clear, you're clear from my side too. No worries.↗

45:42@malleusigYeah, and so my take on the story is, like, for me, this is like the, this is like the most Jewish myth there is, 'cause you literally have, you literally have two brothers, right? And I think from different mothers, right? So like one mother is a Jewish mother, and again All the trouble in the world starts with the Jewish mother, doesn't it? It's the same mother. It's↗

46:01Speaker 2the↗

46:01@malleusigsame mother.↗

46:02Speaker 2They were↗

46:02@malleusigtwins. Is it the same mother?↗

46:03Ian MalcolmYeah, same, same mother, because they were, they were born in the, the womb together. They're basically twins. And, and the irony is, one, the older brother comes out as the younger brother is gripping him by the ankle, basically saying, "Me too, me too, me too." It's pretty funny in that regard. Right.↗

46:19@malleusigRight,↗

46:21Speaker 3right, right. Yeah, so just, just a very, very small clarification. At this point, they weren't Jews, right? They were Adamic and Abrahamic, but, and, and you could call them Hebrew, but, Israelites came. After Jacob, of course, because he became Israel, so they can't be Jews, right?↗

46:43@malleusigYeah, Jews are essentially from 600 AD onwards, so yeah, they couldn't be. But like, again, it was just a joke. But the point is, you've got, like, and this is, this is like the, the start of what most Jews would call their religion, right? Is, is Jacob. And the entire story is a swindle. It's a, it's a story about how one brother swindled his brother out of something else that was basically gave him Him, and he did it because he was craftier, he was smarter, and therefore the theft was justified, right? And again, the, the crazy part about it is the way they justify it is that If anyone doesn't know the story, the story goes like this. The story is like, you had Jacob and Esau, and,↗

47:26@malleusigthe mother liked Jacob better because, I guess he was smoother, he wasn't as hairy. Esau was more, you know, barbarous-looking, right? He had more hair on his body. He was the one, the one that worked outside in the fields all day, right? And, And so there was this thing, this blessing that the father was going to give to them before he died. And the, for some reason, you know, he, he had the power to give a blessing to one of his sons that would determine the fate of the world. That's why I didn't know, I didn't really know who this Isaac guy was, like where he got this, m-m, incredible power from. But so he, he was able to give, he promised to give this blessing To one of his sons, I think it was, it was Esau, not Jacob. He promised Esau, because he liked Esau better, because for whatever reason, he saw Esau as the one that would handle this power more responsibly.↗

48:18@malleusigAnd, and they knew that, Jacob knew that, his mother knew that. And so Jacob wanted the blessing, and Jacob's mother wanted him to have the blessing, 'cause she was like, "You're, I like you better." And so the way that Jacob was like, she's basically, one day Esau was coming back from the fields and he was tired and hungry, and Jacob was making soup, and Jacob, and Esau said, "Hey, give me some of your soup," and Jacob's like, "I'll trade you the soup for the blessing, right?" And Esau was basically, "Haha, fuck you, give me the soup." And so Jacob took that as, "Jacob took that as, oh, okay, you made a deal with me, great, so now the blessing's mine."↗

48:55@malleusigAnd he, he considered it to be a binding contract. Now, here's where it actually-- so a lot, most of the dudes you talk to were like, "Okay, but that proves, like, that proves that, you know, he, he should have gotten the blessing that it was, it was rightfully his from that point on." But here's the catch. So when the blessing was actually given out He didn't wait for Esau to get it and then receive it from Esau, which was, even if you believe that the deal was binding, that would have been the deal, right? What he does instead is he dresses up like Esau and takes advantage of the fact that his father is mostly blind. And he puts like a, a goat, what is a goatskin on him or something, so that he feels like Esau, so his father will think he's Esau, and he changes his voice to sound like Esau. And he basically goes in there and gets the blessing by pretending to be Esau. So he commits fraud, right? So at that point, even if there is a binding contract in place He's already, he's violated it by defrauding the guy, by defrauding Esau what he was gonna get before it even becomes part of the contract, right? So it's like basically, you and I make a contract and say, "I'm, you're gonna give me a hundred thousand dollars, right? But it's gonna be after I get a million from this other guy." And so instead of waiting for you to get the hundred thousand and give it to me, I just go right to the, the, the guy with the million and↗

50:14@malleusigI receive, like, I receive your, So we're way beyond even the talk about it, but again, this is the way they do this shit. They'll create a facade that sounds like vaguely plausible if you really squint at it, right? But it's not. It's, it, it doesn't justify anything. So then, so he, he gives him the blessing, and apparently the blessing means that he will have dominion over his brother, us, for the rest of time. and then Jacob was like, "Yeah, I got the blessing. Now, you know, I, I'm gonna rule over you forever." And then the whole thing comes out, 'cause Esau comes back and he's like, "Wait, why the fuck did you have my blessing? What happened?" He goes to his father. His father's like, "Oh no, I was tricked, right? But, but I can't take it back. Like, for some reason, this is like a legally binding thing. Once you give it, it's gone forever." He can't just be like, "I take it back." So he has to make up a new blessing for Esau, and the blessing is, "Uh, you're-- Okay, so you're gonna be, unfortunately, plans have changed, you're going to be subject to your brother's control, but↗

51:26@malleusigwhen it becomes too much, you're gonna be able to shake it off." Like as if there's any kind of fucking consolation, right? So that's the deal according to the Jewish religion is Jews get to rule over non-Jews, but occasionally when their rule becomes too onerous for us, we're gonna get to shake it off temporarily. All right? So that's, that's the story right there.↗

51:53@malleusigAnd I've already given you a lot of↗

51:55Speaker 2commentary on that, but, but go ahead, yeah. Yes, yeah, I for-for got about that. That's an important verse. So I give you, it's an anecdote, it's spooky for me. Before I even thought about all of these things, I had a visit, but it was more than ten years ago. I never talked about the Bible. Some, some of my followers said, "Um, I have to meet you." And he told me, "You have to claim the blessings of Esau, but you can only do that if you are of pure heart." And I- I didn't know what to make it like, like out of a movie, right? And I didn't understand it until only ten years later. I understand, I understood that you can reclaim, the blessings of Esau and get rid of the, the yoke. That's a very important thing. So, yeah. Yeah, that's, and that's what↗

52:45@malleusigI advocate for people to, to, to, to talk about how, like, we're, we're literally in the time of Esau's blessing right now. It's not much of a consolation, but at least we have it, and we can claim a moral right to it.↗

52:58Speaker 2Yes. And I also want to add now, because that's so, it also fits to what you said, how they do it in the Zohar, how they twist it in the Zohar. I just read it, read the summary for you because it's, it's fascinating. So Enoch is associated, in, in the, in the Zohar, is associated with the Sephirah of Kivura, which means judgment power, when it is↗

53:22Speaker 2destructive when not tempered by compassion. He draws vitality from the rearm of Sita Akra, the other side which is the bad, the bad side. Jacob, by contrast, is identified with Tiferet, the Sefera or harmony, truth and balance. He unites, he unites this is love and kindness and Sharura, in proper proportion, channeling divine energy into sustainable and holy form. Jacob's role isn't to destroy Esa's power, but to elevate and rectify And now,↗

53:53@malleusigthese, these people shouldn't be allowed to write their own PR.↗

53:56Speaker 2Yeah, yes. And, and, and now look what's happening. From this perspective, Jacob's deceptions aren't sins, but acts of tikkun, spiritual repair. Exactly.↗

54:07@malleusigAnd he was acting out of concern that his brother would destroy the world by taking his blessing.↗

54:13Speaker 2Exactly. So Antichrist, we talked about the last time is repairing of the world, which basically means, a world government ruled by, the Ma-Messiah, from the House of David. So they totally twisted because they had to come up with an explanation why Jacob is the bad guy. No, he's not the bad guy. He just wants to save us all, and that's exactly what they are doing.↗

54:36@malleusigAnd that's, and that's one of the most frustrating things about Jewish culture is, like, this whole idea that↗

54:44@malleusigmoral, moral atrocities are completely acceptable as, because Jews are doing it to make the world a better place. Like, so it's almost like if, if you and I were to, were to be like, "Okay, yeah, no, we're going to, we're gonna pacify the black population by, selling them drugs." And extorting as, extracting as much wealth out of them as possible, because, I mean, they'll, they'll fall for it, right? So we're allowed to do this because we're smarter than them, and morals don't have to be a part of the picture. It's like, we're smarter, we're more clever, therefore anything we can get out of them by selling them drugs, gambling, pornography, liquor, right? Anytime, if we can, if we can suck them dry from, in terms of money, then we're entitled to that because we're cleverer Right? And that's the way Jews look, look at everyone else. They're not all Jews.↗

55:40@malleusigObviously not all Jews, but we're, we're talking generalities here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, not all snakes are poisonous, but you don't wanna, you don't wanna take a chance.↗

55:49Speaker 2Yeah, that, that's really, for me, that, that's a metaphor, metaphor for everything, and that, that's why I think they work so hard in, in, in the Talmud and, and, and the, and the Kabbalah to reverse↗

56:02@malleusigYeah. Well, that's why they, they, they work so hard to make anyone who actually reads the Bible seem like a, a right wing nationalist, right? Like, if as soon as you start talking about the Old Testament, you start talking about the, the parts of the, you really start talking about their history, that they wrote for themselves, right? You're not even doing, you're not even, you're not reading Mein Kampf, right? You're not reading, you know, something that,↗

56:31@malleusigsome-- And again, I'm not- I'm not gonna dig on Hitler anymore, I'm just bringing it up because most people believe that Mein Kampf is a hateful book, it's really not. But like, let's say you're reading something that's written by an actual right wing white supremacist, right? That's like you're not re- you're just reading the Torah, you're reading their fucking book that they wrote for themselves or the Talmud, but what they've been able to do is to put a smell on their own book, right? When a non-Jew reads it, so that if you just start talking about it, you start to sound like some kind of crazy anti-Semite, right? And so you can never discuss them. Oh, they, they've managed to retain the exclusive right to discuss themselves. No one can discuss them. We can't have a right to discuss them. And we don't have a right to discuss them.↗

57:19Speaker 4When you say that, when you say that most, like most Christians, when they start getting familiar with the JQ, that when they start relating it to the Bible, that's when it really becomes solidified to them.↗

57:28@malleusigYeah, because they realize this is part and parcel of, of Christianity.↗

57:33Speaker 4yeah, that's what happened to me. You know, that was-- 'Cause I kinda like had an understanding, but then once I really dove into the Bible, it was like, "Holy crap, like this is actually happening."↗

57:42@malleusigYeah. For, you know, what's one of the big things for me was when I actually read the Old Testament, and I realized when you read the Old Testament and you don't have, like, you don't have that need in your mind to interpret the Hebrews as the good guys throughout the book? You realize it's just a book about gangsters that they wrote about themselves, and they wrote about themselves in a good light because they're, they're them, right? It's if you just read what they did, it doesn't have to be- I have, I have to,↗

58:12Speaker 3I have to push back on this point. You're implying that, that Jesus was not the Messiah in this case, because Jesus was- Because Jesus was a Judaite and, and Jesus was a descendant of, of Israel. Veritas, I think you're starting to get the↗

58:29@malleusigwhole thing. No, that's silly, man. No, I'm not. Yeah, I, I don't extrapolate that far. That's way too much of a reach. And again, like, like Ian said, I'm talking about the Old Testament, I'm talking about the New Testament. There's at least like one, four hundred↗

58:40Speaker 3years gap between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Yeah, I'm, I'm talking about the Old Testament as well because the New Testament was written after Jesus, and I'm talking about his lineage, the lineage of David, right? The lineage of the Israelites. No, no,↗

58:52@malleusigno, no, no. No, very dishonest. You, you're taking, you're making too much of a logical jump here. So basically,↗

59:05@malleusigAnd you have a story about, you have a story about, a Hebrew, Hebrew guy that basically was, was brought into a non-Hebrews household as a servant, and then, I forgot his name, but like basically the Hebrews across the border in the next country were like, "Hey, man, you're-- like, they don't know him, but like, hey, man, you're a Hebrew, we're Hebrews." Let us come in and steal his shit, right? And then we can all be rich together, it'd be great. And so basically, this guy, because he has plausible ethnic solidity, solid solidarity with these people, these robbers, he's like, "Okay, great." And they come over, they steal all this non-Jew shit, they steal all this guy's stuff, right? And he comes back home And like the Hebrews are literally just robbing him of all his worldly possessions and his kids, like they stole his kids too. They said like they drive, they drove his children in front of them, and I think they gave one or two of them to the Lord↗

1:00:00@malleusigWhich, you know, probably is child sac- is human sacrifice. But, like, when he came home, and he's like, he's like, "What are you guys doing? You're taking all my shit! " Like, the response was, "What the fuck are you gonna do about it? " I mean, obviously said it in Hebrew, but he's like, "The response is like, there's a lot of us, there's one of you, what are you gonna do about it? " And he had to let him take their shit. And,↗

1:00:21@malleusiglike, that's, like↗

1:00:28Speaker 5I mean, the Old Testament isn't sugarcoating the, lineage, of, of David, right? So, yeah, I, I agree, there, there was a lot of, bad things going on, but, again, Jesus wasn't Israelite, right?↗

1:00:46@malleusigI don't care. That doesn't, it doesn't, listen, Nerida, you're, you're You are taking what I said about the Old Testament, and you are, you are jumping way too far ahead with it. I'm not, just because my opinion about the Torah is that it's basically a book that gangsters wrote about their, their gangsterly activities, and it kind of is, right? It doesn't mean that everyone connected to that book is also a gangster. That doesn't, that doesn't fly.↗

1:01:18@malleusigYou get what I'm saying?↗

1:01:21Speaker 5Yeah, I do, but, I'm kind of, speechless at this point because, there are so many contradictions. Veritas? Yeah, I, I, I'm not even sure where, where I should start.↗

1:01:44@joann_marieDo you wanna, like, think about it for a second and then, yeah, give me some↗

1:01:48@malleusigtime.↗

1:01:49@joann_marieI'll go back to you.↗

1:01:52@malleusigWe'll let Haderick and, Burmego.↗

1:01:55@joann_marieOkay. And Ian, thank you so much for, for hosting, and Oliver, absolute pleasure having you here. And everybody, thank you so much for being here. Guys, please repost this, please, and if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And thank you so, so, so much for being here. And↗

1:02:11Ian MalcolmJoann, real quick, and, and we'll go to Hader, I just wanted to ask really quickly, Oliver, your thoughts I, I guess, too long-winded on it, but, your thoughts on what Rabbi had said before we go to this next hand-and-question for you, on this idea of the, the Torah being essentially, I think he described it as, Jewish gangsters, praising themselves in the history books. Is, is it kind of an accurate presentation, you think, in, in your opinion?↗

1:02:41Speaker 6Yeah. You could read it that, that way, but I don't want to start another discussion because I, yeah, I don't-- I will publish a video soon where we can discuss again because I- I read it totally differently that, I don't want even want to say it because I've, if I start that discussion now, it, it, it's never ending. So for me, yeah, that's a big discussion. Let's, let's put it this way, the New Testament and the Old-- Well, no, the teachings of Jesus are very different of the teachings of the Old Testament, and but the New Testament is written by Jewish writers who wanted to convince a fellow Jew that Jesus is their Messiah, but he isn't But I don't want to start this discussion. But, but o-only one thing which is very clear that, that, the Jewish Messiah, of the House of David is an earthly ruler, and he-- and Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world," and the king-kingdom of God is within you. So he's clearly not the Jewish Messiah, and he was opposed to that idea, but that would start a whole new conversation.↗

1:03:51@malleusigHe could have been, but they refused him. Yeah.↗

1:03:55Speaker 6No, no, he, he never wanted it. He, he never wanted it. He, he, he, he didn't. No, no, no, I'm↗

1:03:59@malleusignot, no, no, I'm not, no, I'm, I'm saying, I'm saying that he could have been, they could have accepted him as a messiah, and then the world today would be a much better place, but they didn't, they didn't, they didn't want him.↗

1:04:09Speaker 6Yes, yes, yes, yes. But it's, it's more complicated than that because, and, and In part, in the Kabbalah, there are some teachings which, which are more to the real teachings of, of Jesus than in the Old Testament. It's very complicated, so it's like we have to go into that in a, it's very controversial and, but I will put out that video. 1984 already has it. I, I sent it to him.↗

1:04:36Speaker 6Ian, I can send it to you also, up front, but this is a whole new discussion about all the New Testament.↗

1:04:43Speaker 5I'm, I'm not sure where I cut out, before my, internet. Do you know what, what the last part was, when I was talking before I cut out?↗

1:04:54Speaker 6I don't think so.↗

1:04:56@joann_marieLike in the beginning?↗

1:04:57@malleusigSorry, I wasn't even. I thought you just stopped talking. Yes, in the beginning. Oh,↗

1:05:01@joann_marieno, I don't, I don't remember. Sorry about this.↗

1:05:06Speaker 5So I was talking about, why the Jews are the Edomites, right?↗

1:05:13Speaker 5Yes, and then, oh yeah? So, I think maybe antiqu- did I talk about the antiquities of the Jews?↗

1:05:24Speaker 6Okay.↗

1:05:25Speaker 5I, I, I'll, I'll quickly read, read my notes here. Hyrcanus, high priest of Judah, took also Dor and Marissa, cities of Edomia, and subdued all the Edomians, so the Edomites, and permitted them to stay in Judea if they would circumcise their genitals and make use of the laws of the Jews, and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jewish ways of living. At which time, therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews. Many claim that modern Jews are merely Eastern European Kaisars, which, while this is true, the Kaisars migrated from Mount Seir, which is the land of Esau. The Jewish Encyclopaedia from nineteen five states that Huzdal Ibn Shapur, who was the foreign minister of Abd al Rahman, al Rahman, Sultan of Cordova, in his letter to King Joseph of the Chasars in 1960 speaks of the tradition according to which the Chasars once dwelt near the Sierra Mountains, and in Genesis thirty-eight, eight, thirty-six, eight, it says, "Thus dwelt Esau in Mount Seir. Esau is Edom."↗

1:06:43Speaker 5And, when you, when you look at the name Ashkenazi, which is, basically kind of wrong because they should be named Ashkenazim, which means they are living in the land of the Germans, because the Japhetites were the progenitors of the German people, which were the Ashkenazs. So the Ashkenazim are the Jews who dwelt in the land of Germany.↗

1:07:13Speaker 6Yes, yeah, I know, I know that already, but that's not what I'm analyzing.↗

1:07:21Speaker 5Yeah, no, you, you have the misconception that, the Jews are the Israelites, which they aren't. That's, that's the misconception here. That, that's the whole problem I have with this discussion.↗

1:07:36Speaker 6Yeah, I get that, but, we were talking about, let's say the archetypal meaning of, of, of the story and not who, who is really who. But that's not-- I, I know the theory, but, that, that's not what I analyzed.↗

1:07:52Speaker 5Yeah, but the archetypal discussion doesn't apply when you, reverse the roles, right?↗

1:07:58Speaker 6No, it still applies because they, whoever they are, the ones who call themselves Jews now, they refer to being Jacob being their, their guy and Esau be- being all the other nations. So it doesn't matter for that discussion.↗

1:08:17Speaker 5Yeah, and that's the misconcep- misconception, because they appropriated that for themselves. They are Esau. They are the Edomites. They, they are what they claim us to be. That's very simple at this point.↗

1:08:35Speaker 6Yeah, but it still doesn't, doesn't change that, the characteristic of it all. So they say they are Jacob And but Jacob was the bad guy, so i-if it's the other way around, then we are the bad guys. So it's not really, then we are↗

1:08:51Speaker 5the- But Ja-Jacob became the blessing of, of God, right? Because he was wrestling with God. That's why he was called Israel. He was wrestling with, with an angel and became the blessing of God because of his wrongdoings and fighting for, for his salvation, right? That's, that's↗

1:09:12@malleusigIt almost feels like we're getting into a blind alley here. Are we,↗

1:09:19@malleusigshould we put a person like attacking in different space or something or?↗

1:09:23@joann_marieYeah, me too. Well, I, I think it's- Yeah,↗

1:09:26Speaker 5sure. I, I, I said, said my point that I think you completely twisted the whole conception of, of the, of the Bible at this point.↗

1:09:37@joann_marieNo,↗

1:09:37Speaker 5no, it's, it's just we're not talking↗

1:09:39@joann_marieabout that right now in Reddit. We're talking about what the Jews believe. It doesn't matter if, if that's what it's actually happening, it's what they believe that it, that it is. Yes. And that, that's↗

1:09:51@malleusiga good conversation. We, I think we should, we-- But it's, it's very big dis-- very big conversation for this space. I think maybe we can, we can have it as a whole separate space for ourselves. Yes.↗

1:10:02@joann_marieAlright, so should we go to another hand? Yeah,↗

1:10:06@malleusigokay. Yeah, Heather. And also, yeah,↗

1:10:08@joann_marieyeah, yeah. I'm, I'm so sorry, Heather. I'll go to you in a second. Also, when you guys brought up, Charlie Kirk, when he, the, when he was assassinated or not, I don't know, like it might be a side, it doesn't matter. The point is he was wearing a T-shirt that said, "Freedom," and, you know how Edom and Esau were the red and, and they're like, "Oh, we need to, so↗

1:10:37@joann_marieit's, it, it's a weird coincidence right there, right? And I didn't even realize that whole thing. So I just threw a↗

1:10:42@malleusigmatch on some, on↗

1:10:43Speaker 7some cat.↗

1:10:45@joann_marieI, I know.↗

1:10:46Speaker 6There's a conspiracy behind his death.↗

1:10:48@joann_marieI went, I went into the, the really conspiracy side of it, but it's just like a weird coincidence right there, and I just wanted to add that. So thank you guys. And okay, go for it, hey there. I, I don't think it's a conspiracy. Hi, good↗

1:11:00Speaker 6evening.↗

1:11:04Speaker 8Oh, sorry.↗

1:11:05Speaker 6So, no, sorry,↗

1:11:07Speaker 9sorry. Are you calling on people or what?↗

1:11:10@joann_marieYes, I'm gonna, I already called on someone, Boomer, I'll, I'll go back to you, once he disconnects, okay? Thank you.↗

1:11:18Speaker 8Hi, good evening everyone. Thank you for having me on your space. Thank you, Ian, Oliver, Joanne. A lot, a lot of, great minds on this panel as we speak, including Berat Asrabi, et cetera. I just wanted to add sort of my perspective, 'cause we-- there was a brief mention of how the designers have developed this idea on the archetype of Jacob and Esau. I actually take it further back, because, how I look at it, I see it as a Luciferian agenda, and Lucifer was the one who had the disease of envy and this concept of superiority Which is what got him expelled from the Garden of Eden in the first place, that he wouldn't bow to Adam because he felt that he was superior than him, and that God had to give him this superiority because he was the most favored by God. Alarmingly similar to what Zionism actually teaches.↗

1:12:16Speaker 8and with regards to the whole story of Jacob and Esau, with all due respect, I'm not here to, to disrespect anybody or what they believe. However, my contention Is, is that with regards to the story and the narration of many of the prophets, including Adam, who was, the first amongst the prophets, the Jews have maligned the names of many prophets, including, including Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, they've maligned his name in every possible way, and this is exactly why I can't buy the, the Jacob-Isaiah narrative according to the Jews, because I think it's a self-serving written propaganda,↗

1:12:54Speaker 8and not entirely It's, it's not becoming of a prophet of God to deceive his own brother. These are people God has chosen, they're predetermined to, to lead a nation. These are the, the, the, you know, it's from this very lineage that, the maternal line of Christ, because Christ, peace be upon him, doesn't have a father, as, as not, no, no biological father. So the, the maternal lineage of Christ, peace be upon him, the, the Messiah, the Savior,↗

1:13:23Speaker 8he, he cannot be classed as a Jew. Because the lineage, according to the Old Testament, and according to even modern-day standards with the age of feminism, when a woman gets married to a man, she always takes the surname of her husband. This is a universal concept, it regardless of where you are. But this whole idea of matrilineal, I think, is a Jewish perversion, and my, my understanding is they actually changed it to matrilineal in the Babylonian era because they had this sudden need to make sure that their children were Jews. And they could be due through the matrilineal pathway because they entered their daughters into being temple prostitutes under Nebuchadnezzar the second when the tem-- the first temple was destroyed. And I think this is where they injected this idea of matrilinealism. This isn't a, a concept that's actually within the tradition, or you could call it the Abraham tradition, or the tradition of the, the prophetic traditions that God actually sent. So this is something that came, comes much later. This is why Christ cannot be, you could say that his maternal lineage is from the tribe of, the Davidic line and the, the line of Solomon, but that's his maternal lineage. His actual lineage, he doesn't have because he's unique in the sense that he's born without a biological father. and, and I think this whole idea of Jacob of Esau and Jacob, you know, sort of deceiving Esau, I just see that. I think, I don't know, if you read many↗

1:14:55Speaker 8The prophets, they've always depicted them as either being, you know, God forbid, but they'll say that they're either incestuous, in the case of Lot, or they will say that, they were deceptive and they would deceive people just for the sake of a woman, in the case of the prophet David, peace be upon him, and with regards to Christ, I don't even want to like regurgitate the absolute filth And vile, disgusting opinion that they have with regards to Christ, the Savior, the unique one who was born exclusively through a mother.↗

1:15:29Speaker 8may, may God have, blessings upon His Holy Mother and, may God have blessings upon Christ as well. So, with regards to the, this whole idea of animus and the idea-- I mean, Jews have got a, I, I don't know, they, they seem to have this Idea where the any sort of present day event, they love to put like the biblical characters into it. I'm not joking, I actually saw a rabbi saying to Joe Biden that you are the Moses of our time, and you're gonna save us from the Pharaoh, which is Donald Trump, and Kamala is the Aaron of this time. I mean, what utter nonsense, what blasphemy, what vile, disgusting rubbish comes from these people's mouths. I, I think they are, an unusual character and an unusual, actor within the global system That has permeated and penetrated many different aspects of legal, financial, economic, political, and even religious, and, and what is taught in, in philanthropy, even in the schools. But I don't want to go too long, and I do believe that the other hand's waiting, but I do appreciate the time and thank you, Oliver, for coming up. But that's my take on it, and I'd, I'd like to sort of maybe discuss further. I also will have, reference points for where I've, I've gotten my, ideas from, and↗

1:16:47Speaker 6Yeah, thank you. That's a new take. It's a new take.↗

1:16:53@joann_marieAnd thank you so much, Heather. What I read about, passing into the mater-- I, I cannot see that. To the mom was because they would always get killed and the women would be, not killed. You know how they, they would kill the men and then get the women as prisoners, and that's why they- They changed it to mat, mat, I, I'm not sure what you↗

1:17:19@joann_mariemeant, mat, mat, mat, yeah,↗

1:17:20Speaker 8that's matra, matra and linneal. Matrilineal. Yeah, yeah,↗

1:17:25@joann_marieyeah, yeah. You got it. But yeah, no, from my understanding, but I, yeah, it was afterwards, the birth of Jesus, so it does make sense that he, like, I never said that he said you, but I mean, yeah, it was changed afterwards. The Jews actually changed it↗

1:17:42Speaker 8because even if you go into the Old Testament Estimate, it talks about, well, a person is a Levite if his father was a Levite. he cannot be a Levite unless his father is. So it, it, it does indicate that it's patrilineal. my idea, it, it is true that they did put their women into brothels or temples at that time. Temple prostitutes during the Babylonian era, Nebuchadnezzar the second in Babylon, and because they, they started having children naturally because they didn't have contraception back then, may, maybe not as advanced as today. So they Had to make sure that these children, because the person who's gonna use a proxy isn't gonna wanna look after the kids, nine out of ten times that doesn't happen. So they made it matrilineal so that they would make sure that these children in future would be classed as Jews, and that's when they switched it over. But like I said, it's, it's one of those, there's two opinions on it, but that's, that's one of them. I appreciate that, thank you.↗

1:18:36@joann_marieYes, thank you so much, Heather. Alright, Boomer Patriots↗

1:18:43Speaker 9You said, you said "Boomer Patriot"?↗

1:18:45@joann_marieYeah.↗

1:18:47Speaker 9Oh, okay. I, I, I'm not sure. I wasn't sure that's what I heard. Okay, so anyway, Ian, what's- No, I'm just↗

1:18:52Speaker 7fucking up.↗

1:18:53Speaker 9What's going on, Ian? I, I just wanted to, I get a chance to talk to you about Colorado Governor. also, I wanted to talk- No,↗

1:19:02@joann_mariewhat, what? Okay, sir, sir. you read the title. That's, that's what we're gonna talk about today. If you don't wanna talk about that, then you can come back. Yeah, I, I was only↗

1:19:11Speaker 9gonna talk for like thirty seconds, sorry about that, but I'll leave. No, no, no, no worries. I waited an hour. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on,↗

1:19:18Ian Malcolmhang on, hang on, hang on. No, no, that's totally fair. So, so Boomer Patriot, just to, in respect of, of Oliver and everybody else, why don't↗

1:19:44@joann_marieGo for it, Boomer.↗

1:19:48Speaker 7Calling Boomer.↗

1:19:49@joann_marieHe's probably talking, you need to unmute their mic, sir.↗

1:19:53Speaker 7We have Boomer Patriot and Gen Z Patriot, this is kinda hilarious.↗

1:19:57Ian MalcolmThat one of those Boomer hit, hit the, hit the mic button in the bottom left. Oh, hey,↗

1:20:02Speaker 9there we go. Alright. Sorry about that. It said, "Yeah, you're, you're good." The thing that said "Muted by host" was still up. Okay, so, Governor of Colorado, alright. Governor Anywhere or President Anywhere, if you want somebody that's just gonna go do a job, I'm not gonna campaign, I'm not gonna take donations, I don't want campaign donations from anybody, I just wanna go in there and I wanna just, fire everybody. Why, why can't we just like fire pretty much everybody? And You know, there's, there's ways that we can basically take care of ourselves. We don't need the government. I don't need the government personally for anything, okay? if anybody out there needs the government, we, we're gonna figure out a way to get them, you know, the, the hand up that they need, you know what I'm saying, without the government. And so I'm, I'm not, I'm gonna, I'm not, I'm, I'm gonna piss everybody off. I'm only gonna Do a four-year term. I'm not gonna run for reelection. And, and there's, you're not gonna have anybody to do what you want and, and also make you happy, okay? Until the dust settles. And then when you see it, that, that, wow, oh my God, we actually have limited govern-- we have like seventeen seventy-six government again. This is cool. I actually like this. I like freedom. I, you know, I can give up all my government handouts now. Oh, and look, everybody else will have so much more money because the government's not like robbing them blind. They'll be able to probably, you know, start businesses, you know, employ all these people, all of that stuff. So anyway, I just wanted to, you know, and I'd, I'd like to be vetted in depth, be-- and get, get on somewhere, 'cause I'm so shadow banned everywhere I've been on Social media since like the internet started, okay? Woke up in nineteen ninety three, Red Pill in nineteen ninety three. Okay, you know, was gonna ship off to Desert Shield in Iraq. I'm fifty five years old. I run a homestead out here.↗

1:22:05Speaker 9that's all I do. I, I'm, I'm trying to basically get humans to be able to work together, you know, and, you know, be, be able to feed ourselves. I'd like to make, Colorado the capital of self-sustainability. Man, I wanna make Colorado, like Coloradans, independent. I, I, I get, get so close to local with everything, you know, so that, like You know, the, the, the, the, the, all the supply chains, they, all these, just, there's so many ways that they have control over us, and, and none of us, so many people are just talking about all of the problems, and they're not talking about, how do we fix all of this stuff? How do we get off of all of these dependencies? And so that's what I'm basically offering. I know how to do all that stuff. I'd like a more in-depth interview with somebody that has an actual platform. and, you know,↗

1:22:58Speaker 9I'll probably get shadow banned too after you have me on, because I'm gonna show people that you don't need the government, and I'm gonna tell you all the different ways how you don't need the government.↗

1:23:08Ian MalcolmOh yeah.↗

1:23:09Speaker 9And that's all I got. Thanks for, hearing me out, man.↗

1:23:12Ian MalcolmYeah, no, a-appreciate that, Boomer Patriot. looks like you're running for governor, and so I just wanna direct everybody's, attention to his profile. Feel free to, give that a gander. and if you, relate to that, I'm sure there's lots of things that you could do to either support his cause, his candidacy, or his page. So, try to always give opportunities. No money. No money. No money needed. I don't want any↗

1:23:36Speaker 9campaign contributions whatsoever, and I'll Well, thank you so much for that, Boomer.↗

1:23:42Speaker 7I, I would recommend not having the name Boomer.↗

1:23:45Speaker 9No, it's common sense. Let's go. If↗

1:23:47Speaker 7you're actually running for governor, you should probably put your name, right?↗

1:23:50Speaker 9Yeah, I↗

1:23:50Ian Malcolmwas gonna say, is Boomer Patriot gonna be on the ticket?↗

1:23:54Speaker 9Well, it's Vince Edwards. My name's Vince Edwards. I'm locally known, I ran for sheriff here in 2018, stood up to the government, they ran out, over 800 off-griders out of this area, and I was like the only one that stood up to 'em, spent nine months in their jail, all good stuff. Long story.↗

1:24:11Speaker 7Yeah, like a, like a macro marketing standpoint. Like if you're genuinely trying to win, that's just my one, like, recommendation from a maybe tech person, I guess you could say↗

1:24:21Ian MalcolmBranding is everything, and, I haven't had a chance to talk to anybody. I'm, I'm sitting here, I want, go, go look at my profile.↗

1:24:29Speaker 9It's like one view, one view, one view, one view. It's ridiculous,↗

1:24:33Ian Malcolmman. Well, God love you for, for getting into the fray, trying to make a difference in the political front, and, appreciate you stopping by, Mr. Patriot. We will, again, for anybody, and I'll tell you what, because he's out there, seemingly running for office, I will put that up into the nest. Oh, yeah. And, much love, to you on the endeavor, and, and certainly all the best. So Godspeed. that being said, let's, continue moving right along↗

1:25:04@joann_marieOf course, Mr. Al Hassan, welcome, sir. Oh, he left. Okay, Doug Holiday, welcome to the panel, sir.↗

1:25:19Speaker 10Thank you very much. Regards, Ian. Regards to everyone else in the space. Mr. Janich, if I may, hopefully I'm pronouncing that surname correctly. can I just ask you a question? Because maybe I didn't catch it from the start. do you, do you have a particular faith that you like follow, and, you know, would, would you be willing or happy to state it so I understand your religious position?↗

1:25:48Speaker 6Oh, that's a hard question. So I, my religious position is that I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I- You explain in my book that these teachings are corrupted by the church, and that would be, difficult to explain. I will do that later. I will make a series about my book. So I believe in Jesus Christ, but I think his teachings are corrupted. And what was the other question, whom I follow? Okay,↗

1:26:15Speaker 10okay, okay, no, no, no, okay, all good. Like, you know, ju-just thank you for clarifying that just so I know who I'm dealing with. Then the second question, I'll stop here, and this will be↗

1:26:28Speaker 10Yeah, you can laugh, right? But to me, you're a dumb cannyo as will be. Anyway, Mr. Yanitch, my question to you is, what came first, the church or the Bible? What, what? Again? What came, what came first, the church or the Bible? The Bible.↗

1:26:47Speaker 10The Bible came first.↗

1:26:49Speaker 6Yeah. What do you↗

1:26:51Speaker 10un-what, what do you understand as the Bible? What is the Bible according to you? 'Cause that's where you get Jesus' teachings, correct? So you're going to tell me that the New Testament, the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, came before Jesus?↗

1:27:07Speaker 6No. Or did they come after Jesus? No, the New Testament was-- it's a collection of writings that the church cho-chose. But the writings- But did the,↗

1:27:18Speaker 10the, the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, did they come after Jesus or before Jesus?↗

1:27:26Speaker 6of the New Testament after Jesus.↗

1:27:28Speaker 10So did the church come before or after the Bible? The New Testament. What came before? The church or the Bible? The church or the New Testament, to be specific.↗

1:27:41Speaker 6Yeah, the- The gospels came before the church, and the church chose cer-certain gospels.↗

1:27:49Speaker 10The gospels came before the church.↗

1:27:52Speaker 6Yeah, before the Catholic Church. There were many churches back then. Okay.↗

1:27:57Speaker 10Anyway, okay, okay, all good, Mr. Ian. It's all good. Ian, I'm not gonna waste my time. Whoever wants to listen to your guest or speaker can speak. I return the microphone. I'm not gonna waste your time. Thank you very much. Christ is King. Christ is Lord. And Christ will return to judge the living and the dead. I don't know where you got your teachings from, Mr. Janich, but if you're saying that you follow the teachings of Jesus, well, then it's the actual church that gave you the teachings of Jesus in the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. But it seems to me you're a bit confused. Anyway, thank you, Ian, thank you, Joanne. I'll return the microphone. Dave,↗

1:28:33Ian MalcolmI'm gonna break my tie. Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, I can appreciate on theology, there's gonna be lots of different takes and, and some might be more informed than others, and, and so as a result, I'll, I'll throw a question your direction. so when you asked your, your inquiry to Oliver, my thought was, back to Jesus talking to Peter, "You'll be the rock upon which I will build my church," which would beget to me that, essentially the church is the people, the following, the teachings, which were then codified into a book in a formal, let's say,↗

1:29:10Ian MalcolmThat's your thought, and if not, if, if you wouldn't mind kind of sharing how you would have addressed the same question that you had posed to Oliver, just so that we can kind of air that out.↗

1:29:17Speaker 10Yeah, and, and my position, if for lack of a better term, understanding is from the, from those of us who are Christian who believe in apostolic tradition and all the way back to Je-- to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the apostles The birthday, right, if you wanna use that expression, the birthday of the church. The church was founded on the day of Holy Pentecost, which is when the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles and gave them the ability to preach the gospel Or preach, you know, preach the gospels in various languages so that, you know, they can go forth and baptize all nations.↗

1:30:00Speaker 11In the name, in the singular name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Mr. Janich here, right? He may have a different opinion and say that the church wasn't born to use that expression on the day of Holy Pentecost. So we have two different starting positions, so there's no point going any further, right? Mr. Janich has his perspective. Here's your co-host, you know, maybe he's going to give answers as to when he believes the church was established, who is the- The Church, who were the, who were the disciples of the apostles, the apostolic succession, et cetera, et cetera. So maybe, you know, you don't wanna go down that path in this particular space at a future time. I'm more than willing to have that discussion, but it seems that Mr. Janich is focused on Jacob and Esau and his understanding, his interpretation of course, my understanding of who Jacob and Esau are come from Orthodox tradition because the scriptures or let's say Christian tradition Tradition from the, from the Orthodox Christian understanding, we have the Holy Scriptures and Holy Tradition, and they work in synergy and together to present the Christian viewpoint, the exegesis, and the understanding of the two thousand plus year history of the Christian Church. Hopefully that provides a bit more clarification. If it doesn't, we'll leave it to another space. You have other hands here, but all good, all good again. Thank you very much for the mic. Yeah.↗

1:31:28Ian MalcolmYeah, and thank you so much, Doc. Always, always It's a pleasure, and, and look, I can always appreciate there's gonna be differences of opinions, especially on, some of these theological issues, and so, very gr- glad that everyone is here and, and glad they're sharing their differences, of opinions on these issues. So, thank you so much, Doc, for that. let's go over to, Mr. Rabbi, his hands up.↗

1:31:49@malleusigOh, hey guys, I was just, I was talking, gonna talk about a, a different thing, a separate, like it, topic that was earlier. We were talking about, references in the, in the Bible that, you know, show that this is This, you know, what people are today calling antisemitism, which really isn't antisemitism, but anyway, this criticism of, of the Jewish religion is, is baked into Jesus' teachings. And one of the things that doesn't get talked about very often, people don't talk about the, you know, Judena vipers kind of, the Euboea vipers kind of thing. One of the most important passages for me has always been when Jesus meets Nathaniel for the first time, because↗

1:32:31@malleusigany Bible nuts, what does Jesus say when he sees Nathaniel for the first time, if you remember?↗

1:32:42@joann_marieI, I don't remember.↗

1:32:44@malleusigDon't know. Okay. Jesus says, "Behold, an Israelite in whom there is no guile." All right. Now, this is for me, and again, I, I love reading into this, the fact that Jesus had To, he had to comment on finding an Israelite that had no guile, that wasn't dishonest, that wasn't duplicitous, that wasn't cheating, right? The fact that he felt it necessary to comment upon finding one tells you everything about his opinion of the rest of the Israelites, and since Jesus was omnipotent, it tells you about the character of the Israelites, not just his opinion, but what they were really like, right? So this tells you these people were, for the most part, they were dishonest, they were conniving, they were scheming, right? They were everything that, you know, he didn't find anything↗

1:33:42@malleusigAnd this is one of those little comments that just kind of like slips through everyone's radar. People don't really think farther than like the first, you know, the first, they're like, "Oh, he's the guy, he's the guy, all right." But you gotta put yourself in the, in the position, like if you were sending this to Jesus when he said that That would mean that, like, this is actually an, an amazing thing. Like the fact that Jesus, and it takes a lot to surprise Jesus, Jesus actually surprised at finding someone in Israel who isn't conniving, right? Tells you everything you need to know about Israel.↗

1:34:18@malleusigAlright? And I'll leave it at that. That was, that was basically my main point. I also discovered when I was double-checking this, do you guys know what Jacob means in Hebrew? What the word actually means?↗

1:34:33@joann_marieWhat, what does it mean, Rabbi?↗

1:34:36@malleusigIt, it means usurper, or supplanter, or deceiver.↗

1:34:42Ian MalcolmI mean, Rabbi, that's obviously, it's just a coincidence. You, you shouldn't look into that at all.↗

1:34:48Speaker 11I know, but it's like so on the fucking nose, man. I, I thought that would be too obvious, that's why I didn't check it. I have to check that. I have to check that.↗

1:34:59Speaker 12I, I mean, the Arab equivalent, if anybody wants it, I can give that to you. The Arabic equivalent is, is someone who follows, suplanta. It, it doesn't actually have in Arabic, yahu, which is the equivalent of Jacob, it doesn't actually have a negative connotation.↗

1:35:15@malleusigBut one of the connotations that we have for that word suplanta, and at some point someone did, right, is obviously a negative connotation. But what's interesting is, in the, the passage where he finds Nathaniel Some of the translations have it, I think the early translations, have him as saying, "Here is a son of Jacob in whom there is no guile, "which means he was actually making a joke. He was making a wordplay, right? If Jacob means deceiver or supplanter,↗

1:35:45@malleusighe was saying that it's a son of Jacob in whom there is no-- a son of, a son of deceit in whom there is no deceit.↗

1:35:59Speaker 11It would fit.↗

1:36:01@malleusigWhat's that?↗

1:36:03Speaker 11It would fit somehow. I mean, it would be, make sense, would make sense.↗

1:36:07@malleusigIt does. It's, it's one of those things that it's, it's, it makes a lot of sense. It's really, and it's almost poetic when you, when you read into it.↗

1:36:20@joann_marieWell, thank you so much for that, Rabbi. Sorry. Yeah,↗

1:36:24Ian Malcolmno, no, no, absolutely. And, and, got lots of hands, lots of, of interest in asking Oliver some questions or maybe sharing some thoughts. I know we've got so many familiar faces up here, Gen Z, Frank, so feel free, gentlemen, jump in. You know, no need to, I guess utilize hands at this point 'cause I feel like we've got a pretty good little, quorum of people. I'm sure everybody can be respectful, so feel free to, to dive in↗

1:36:53Speaker 13Pop up, pop up obviously and say hello. this week's been kind of crazy from a political lens, so I'm kind of excited just to kick back and, and get back to God with you guys, and obviously Ian, last time I was on the space with you and Oliver, it was, it was sweet. So, excited to be here, and obviously everyone on the panel, and everyone reposted space so Joanne doesn't have to say it herself a hundred different times, and, yeah, I'm just excited to learn and, and I'll probably have↗

1:37:19@malleusigI was gonna say before, I'm actually at the point now, as soon as I hear Joanne start speaking, I immediately repost the space.↗

1:37:27@joann_marieThank you, I love you guys. It's, Pavlo's, Joanne's↗

1:37:31Ian Malcolmdog or something like that.↗

1:37:36@joann_marieOh my god. yes, thank you so much, Nancy. Okay, let me, Fran, go for it. And I also wanna welcome Honey Badger to the, to the stage. Go for it, let me, Fran.↗

1:37:49Speaker 14Oh, good evening, good, good lads and ladies.↗

1:37:56Speaker 14yeah, I was in, diligence space earlier, trying to get a mic. It's pretty hard,↗

1:38:04Speaker 14in his space. And, I know, I know you guys weren't on another subject, but I wanted to bring up, You know, the, the psyop that we're living under, that's, within a psyop, that's controlled by another psyop, right? And,↗

1:38:28Speaker 14you know, Steven Miller, he's a Jew, right? And, and so we're all, we're all kinda trying to figure out what the f is actually happening. And, you know, I, I feel like we're all,↗

1:38:51Speaker 14rats on a, or mice on a, on a wheel, just running, trying to, you know, trying to figure out where the end is, where there isn't really an end. But,↗

1:39:06Speaker 14regarding, regarding everything that, that's been happening with the ice movements, all that.↗

1:39:15Speaker 14I guess I'm, I didn't, I didn't have a moment to actually collect my thoughts 'cause, I'm also throwing the ball for my connoisseur out here in the middle of the night, but,↗

1:39:31Speaker 14yeah, this is, this is the This is, this is a, a wild time to be alive. you know, the, what's the Chinese proverb? You know, may you live through interesting times. Well, thank you, but I didn't ask for these interesting times. I would like to go back to normal, please. can, can we reset the matrix, please? Like, unplug it, plug it back in, whatever you gotta do.↗

1:39:59@malleusigturn it off and on again?↗

1:40:01Speaker 14Yeah, just, yeah, whatever you- Yeah, that's, that's what they always say, right? So. That would have been, that would have↗

1:40:09@malleusigbeen the best Matrix sequel, where it's like, just some guy shows up and he's like, "Wait, what if we just turned it off and then turned it on again?" Like the whole movie is taking it out and↗

1:40:19Speaker 13just, like, you know, blowing on it or wiping on your pants a little bit and putting it back in.↗

1:40:23@malleusigIt's like The Matrix 4. It's literally a seven minute movie.↗

1:40:29Speaker 14We'd all be back in the nineties listening to Grunge.↗

1:40:34@joann_marieThat would be beautiful. I, I miss the nineties and Grunge so much. Densipetrik has no idea what I'm talking about. It was awesome.↗

1:40:42Speaker 13Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, we're not-- Are we talking about like Alice in Chains and that kind of realm? Fuck, Nirvana. Joann, that was crazy.↗

1:40:50@malleusigSoundgarden. That↗

1:40:51Speaker 13was a little Zoomer slander I just heard a little bit.↗

1:40:53@malleusigJane's Addiction. I have a feeling Joann was a huge Jane's Addiction fan. Just something about her screams Jane's Addiction.↗

1:41:01@joann_marieI, I, I liked it a little bit. I like Nirvana more. Nice. And we'll search for them as well.↗

1:41:06Speaker 14Nice.↗

1:41:08Speaker 15It treats me like a wreck doll.↗

1:41:11Speaker 14Yeah. Anyway, I'll land it there, but, fuck, it's, it's been a wild ride so far. Love you guys.↗

1:41:20@joann_marieOh, thank you so much for coming up, let me, Frank. And, that would be absolutely beautiful. Alright, Ethan, welcome to the panel, sir. How are you?↗

1:41:31@based_napoa0uiI'm good, how are you? Can you hear me?↗

1:41:34@joann_marieYeah, perfect.↗

1:41:35@based_napoa0uiGood. well, thanks for hosting. I, I wanna say that first, the discussion, discussions you guys have are always great to listen in on. I had a couple questions. the first thing was kind of bouncing off of what Rabbi said before,↗

1:41:55@based_napoa0uiwith Christ talking to, to Nathaniel. It's kind of like the contrast to that where he, made me think about where he's talking to the Roman. and he's like, "I've never found faith like this in all of Israel."↗

1:42:10@based_napoa0uiAnd then, yeah, and then a hundred. And then, the other thing, my other thought with the Jews and the law, it's, it's interesting 'cause he like, the Bible says he gives- The, the Jews in Israel, the law, but I think he, like, it's almost like he knows they're like, gonna be a corrupt and like bad people, so he's like adding extra, like, guidelines for them, if that makes sense.↗

1:42:39@based_napoa0uiDoes anyone ever have that thought before? It's like, like, he specifically gives it to them, and they still can't get it right, of course, but like, that was my thought on that.↗

1:42:47@malleusigYou mean God gives them? Like I, I interpret it as, I interpret it as, as God had to. Like He had to spell it out because if He didn't, these people who we already know are huge fanatics about finding loopholes, like they would find even more loopholes. Like that's why God had to spell it out so, like, so, you know, verbosely.↗

1:43:08@based_napoa0uiRight, that's, that's what I meant, yeah. I just was interested to see if What your thoughts were on that? Like,↗

1:43:13@malleusiglike if, if, if God was like, "Hey, just be nice people to each other," they would redefine what being a nice person means, and then they would just go ahead and do the same thing they always did. Right. So they had, God had to spell everything out. Yeah, and they would find a way to make money on it too. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, we've seen in debates with them, it's like, "It's like, hey, you shouldn't kill people. Why are you genociding kids and guys And then they go around and they redefine the word genocide. It's like, okay, not genocide. W-w-why are you killing kids in Gaza? It's like, well, let's, let's redefine the word kill. Like, what the fuck? And then it's like, let's redefine the word kids. It's like, Jesus Christ, dude. Yeah. Like, if you- Let's, redefine↗

1:43:54Ian Malcolmlanguage altogether. Yeah. Well, I mean, the concept of conversation. Let's just reverse engineer it.↗

1:44:00@based_napoa0uiThat's literally what they↗

1:44:02@malleusigdo. They don't have that in the↗

1:44:05@joann_marieThey do that, they do that thing that, if the-- I can't remember the exact one, but they, if they like drown someone, but they like drown on their own, they actually didn't kill them, you know, like if they like tie someone, how wasn't starving that if they just,↗

1:44:22@malleusigyeah. If, if you tie somebody up and they starve, you didn't kill them because they just refused, they, they basically starved themselves. You didn't kill them 'cause you didn't put a knife in them, right? But you tied them up and they couldn't Food, but that's, you're like removed from that, and you, you saw that in Gaza, like they actually used, they used attack dogs to attack this autistic kid, this autistic Palestinian kid, and then they told his family to leave and go pick him up at the hospital, and his family spent like the next four or five days going from hospital to hospital trying to find their kid, and it turned out like they just left the kid tied up in his own house after the dogs attacked him, and he died, either through, from blood- Loss or starvation from being tied up, and this is the way they kill people. Like, and it's not new. Like, this is, if you read the Book of Jeremiah, this is how they tried to kill Jeremiah. Like, they were like, they don't just-- like, they're not the Romans. They don't just put a knife in you if they want you dead. Like, they have to go talk to the Sanhedrin, they have to figure out with the other rabbis what's an acceptable way to get rid of this person. And they're like, okay, let In the case of Jeremiah, they're like, "He's saying things that are troublesome, so let's put him into a, a huge, what was it, a huge, vase, right? A huge vessel, right? That he can't get out of, and he'll just starve." And like for them, that's a clean, that's a clean murder. Like they get away with that in terms of, yeah, because it's not murder↗

1:45:50@joann_mariein, in their head, it's like the, the universe killed him, you know, like it wasn't↗

1:45:54@malleusigus. Right. And so that's, that's what you see from them today. They do the same shit today.↗

1:46:01@based_napoa0uiYeah. Yeah, I, I appreciate what, doesn't Martin Luther write in the, on the Jews in their lives like, don't even argue with, with any of them, 'cause it's just impossible?↗

1:46:13@malleusigYeah, yeah, time after time, everybody that has tried to sit down and argue with these people in good faith has consistently come to the same conclusion, it's not fucking worth it, just don't even bother. But we keep, we keep having to go through this exercise to rediscover the truth for ourselves. Rabbi, how do you define truth?↗

1:46:34@malleusigSee, and that's exactly why you can't talk with these fucking people exactly. Ian, Ian, you basically↗

1:46:39Speaker 13just censor and ban everybody else that's opposing you. That's, that's, that's, that's right. Yeah.↗

1:46:44Ian MalcolmThen you just redefine what it means to be good or to be holy, and the inverse is, is, is obviously good, bad, et cetera. I, I, I see Jan, Jan, Evelyn giving some thumbs down. Jan, you're welcome↗

1:47:00Ian Malcolmto, But, appreciate the emojis. It's,↗

1:47:03@malleusigit's so rare we get pushback in these spaces that it's actually really valuable to get somebody that's crazy that has a different opinion. The only thing that we do caution is that, you know, I caution everyone else not to pig pile, not to dog pile, and I caution if she does come up, not to get into this thing where she's interrupting people and shouting and over talking because that's That's usually what happens.↗

1:47:28Ian MalcolmNo, we, we try to always just be adults and be gentlemanly. And look at that! Like gentlemen, we, instead of, what is it, catcalling, instead we, like gentlemen, we just say, "If you would like to participate, feel free." Jen, I'm not sure if I read the, read the room properly there, the digital rendition of it, but, curious for your thoughts. good, bad, ugly, always, open-ended to anything and everything, so feel free↗

1:47:57Speaker 15Okay, well,↗

1:48:01Speaker 15I, I do understand what, the Rabbi's saying about the difficulty of speaking to many Jewish people. At the same time, you know, God doesn't wanna lose one, He wants all of humanity to be saved. Now, we know that that's not going to be possible probably, some people will never accept, Jesus Christ as the Messiah, King, Lord, and Savior, but we still, if they're brought across our path, I've been in many spaces where there have been Jewish people and I've witnessed to them.↗

1:48:41Speaker 15and it's up to God, it's up to the Holy Spirit to take what I've told them and work in their hearts. I can't save them, but I certainly, will tell them the truth. I've also said things like, "Um, don't go and rebuild the temple, "because that will be an abomination before God. So, you know, and I've learned a lot from them, too. I've learned a lot. About how they use Kabbalah to interpret Torah and, how there were times that we would talk over each other's heads because, like on the passage about,↗

1:49:26Speaker 15ancient Israel being a light to the nations, I have a certain view of that based on, you know, interpretation and She was using the Kabbalah to interpret it, so she had a whole different understanding of what light meant and how they were to be the light. And so I found that really helpful to me because I was frustrated with,↗

1:49:54Speaker 15Thinking, why, why do we have such different views if we're both reading the Torah? And then I found out they use Kabbalah to interpret it. So that was really helpful to me. And then I've learned a lot about, the Shabbat Lubavitch, which I think is important because it's-- they seem to have a very strong Influence in our government, and so it's important to understand. I've learned a lot about their eschatology and theology from a variety of, particularly Jewish men in spaces, and then also, which was disturbing to me, it was kind of scary to me, but there were a couple of Jewish men who said that America is an extension of Israel. And I always say Secular Israel, 'cause of course we know it's not Ancient Israel, but,↗

1:50:51Speaker 15or the true Israel of God, but that they, they, that it's an extension of Israel, and that they own the United States, and that they see our founding documents as grounded in- because some of the founding fathers referenced Deuteronomy quite a bit, they see that as ownership of our founding documents, and so I've, I've learned quite a bit about the way they think, and I find that really useful.↗

1:51:27Speaker 15In, well, in speaking to them and understanding where they're coming from so that I can have an answer for them, and then also just for my own-- Did I,↗

1:51:41Ian Malcolmdid I hear that, did I hear that right, the, the suggestion that because of founding documents that the United States is essentially owned by Israel and Jews? Did I, did I hear that properly?↗

1:51:51Speaker 15Well, this is what two Jewish men were saying that-- Is that↗

1:51:56Ian Malcolmso? Just that it- I got to curio and, and, I, I, I really appreciate, so please note, I'm not coming with any, hostility or agi-anything like that. I'm just trying to understand the, the suggestion. and the curiosity, when two Jewish people suggest to you that their worldview is that the United States is a slave colony for Jews in Israel,↗

1:52:16Ian Malcolmtalking this idea that anybody and everybody can be s- saved by God, is it-- When somebody says something like that, is it reasonable to suggest that that's a psychopathic worldview? That should be condemned and is, I suppose, in a word, evil? Which↗

1:52:29Speaker 15one? Which one? The,↗

1:52:31Ian Malcolmthe idea that, that an entire nation of people are supposed to be enslaved for the benefit of a small clique of other people.↗

1:52:38Speaker 15Well, I consider it a form of supremacy, which is, it's wrong, and any supremacy is wrong. Their supremacy is wrong. But I-- It's been helpful to understand what you see happening within politics and how- Our government is on both sides is so influenced, and where is that coming from? What belief system is that coming from? I apologize, I am a bit of an academic, so I like to delve into the history and the belief system. No, this is good. Yeah, and I, I think↗

1:53:13Ian Malcolmyou're in the, I think you're in the right spot, Jan, especially, there, there's lots of spaces on X that are just trivial, trite, or are temper tantrums. Right. and so this is much appreciated. And, and the, the question that I would have is a quick follow-up, because, I mean, it's, it's my belief, and I say this with a little bit of, vitriol at times, I suppose, but it's, it's my belief that the West is enslaved↗

1:53:41Ian MalcolmAnd there's lots of different ways that I would say that, that maybe that manifests itself, but to the comment that you just made, I'm curious, did you ask those two Jews who, in your words, said the US is essentially slaves for Israel and Jews? Did, did you ask them what percent of other Jews or Israelis, believe that type of, of rhetoric? I'd be curious if you got a, a rough idea from them.↗

1:54:06Speaker 15No, I didn't. I was actually quite shocked by what they said. It really took me back. I had- Never heard that before. That was last year, in, around the summertime, and I'd never heard anything like that before. And what I sense is, last year there was kind of a speeding up in time, a speeding up of revealing all of this. And so I, I, it really took me back when they said these things, but it started to make sense,↗

1:54:42Speaker 15The way that so many people act within the Shabad Lubavitch, sect, and the way they talk, and like even I've posted this video a few times, but there's this rabbi in Canada, I'll post it in your space, and He talks about how President Trump was marked, like there's a, a scripture that talks about, when you're pierced on the ear to show that you are the, still a slave to your master.↗

1:55:18Speaker 15And he talks about this, and so I guess I've been going around trying to piece everything together because I, I like to have evidence of what's going on. But what I've been hearing from, you know, 'cause I go in and I ask questions, and they don't like that you ask questions, but, you know, I kinda will argue with them a bit, well, I wanna know what's, what you guys believe, I wanna know what, you know, is going on, like How do you view this? And I argued with them about, you know, the fact that our founding documents are based, of course, in Christianity. So,↗

1:56:00Speaker 15I just wanted to share that with you that, yes, I understand this is difficult and there's all these things going on, but I guess I wanna stand before God and have Him say, "Well done, faithful servant." So if I have an opportunity- To tell them the truth,↗

1:56:22Speaker 15and I'm not always good at it, but I try. Then I'll take that opportunity, even not knowing what will happen, even if they seem really hard in their hearts, you know, there is the passage that Paul talks about that, they were hardened Of their own sinful nature, of course, God allowed for it, but this hardening so that the fullness of the Gentiles could come in. So,↗

1:56:56Speaker 15you know, I'm not saying that I am grateful, to- What is secular Israel, which I don't see any link with ancient Israel at all after the temple was destroyed and the priesthood was destroyed, well, we are the priesthood now in Jesus Christ, but, but at the same time, if, if once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, whenever that is, it seems the hardening will be lifted, so I do try to plant those seeds just in case. That's all. That's all I really wanted to say, but I just thought I'd share the rest of it with you anyways. No, that's↗

1:57:36@malleusiggreat. Yeah.↗

1:57:37Speaker 15That's great. And I, I'm really↗

1:57:39@malleusigglad you came up. I,↗

1:57:40Ian MalcolmI would love for you to, Oliver, and just, real quick, I just wanted to thank Jan, especially, 'cause again, I saw the thumbs down, and it's, it's not often, Jan, that, that people will take me up when I say, "Come on up." Usually, usually the people sc Warm reception and, and that you feel appreciated, and, I know that I say that on behalf of everybody that's here on the panel and also those that are listening.↗

1:58:10Speaker 15Well, I'd really, I'm really enjoying your conversation, and, it's the best conversation, and so it's interesting to hear all the different views, and we're working through all this, and I, I'm just really enjoying it. one thing, if anyone has any- Documented evidence of links between, Judaism and Roman Catholicism. I don't wanna offend anyone, I probably am, but,↗

1:58:41Speaker 15if anyone knows of any books or anything like that, I'd be interested in hearing about them. And, and even documentation of links between or connections between Judaic or Jewish, immigrant NGOs and the Roman Catholic NGOs that are, pushing mass migration into Western nations. I'd like to hear that if anyone has any I think the↗

1:59:13@malleusigbest thing you could do is find, and 'cause they're like every day, go into one of Truecaller spaces and raise your hand and ask and, have a voice recorder like ready to go, you will get more information than you know what to do with Like, truth is like a walking encyclopedia of that stuff. Yeah, he, he, he↗

1:59:34Speaker 15still talk as fast as he did.↗

1:59:37Ian MalcolmNo, it, it could be, it could be, yeah, it, it could be tough, just because he, he, you know, he's a firehose, of, of encyclopedic wealth. and the, the one thing I would say, and, and I know truth, if he was here, would be able to elaborate far better than I, but, when it comes to the Roman Catholic Church,↗

1:59:58Ian MalcolmGet some of the loans that were, that were made to them, and, lo and behold, goes back to the same usual suspects over and over and over again. and so I think it's, it's reasonable to say that there's certainly been some kind of ties that have existed that's not designed to offend anybody of any religious faith, and, and look, we notice these same kind of connections, whether it's the president of the United States or potentially the president of the A lot of people listening probably work at, these financial ties are just everywhere, left, right, center. And the last little thing I'd say is on the NGOs, one of the curious ones, Jan, a lot of those Catholic, mass migration organizations, you look at the board of those organizations, you're gonna see a lot of names that might sound oddly familiar, perhaps not with Catholicism, but with another religion, that might end in Stein and Berg and Witz and Other things of that nature, and it does seem like there's a lot of individuals of Jewish ethnic, background working at, Catholic charities doing some of that mass migration, which should maybe surprise or not surprise us at all, given the other patterns that, that we've seen. But, yeah, Truth Tower is wonderful for, for some of those additional data points. Okay.↗

2:01:15Speaker 16Great. Thank you for the update. I also wanted to↗

2:01:17Ian Malcolmsay↗

2:01:18@malleusigI wanted to say thank you for your appeal towards understanding and tolerance, which is something that is, is vanishingly rare not only in Turtas bases, but in the world. and I will just basically buttress that with my own experience. A lot of us, it's not about any kind of religious appeal or conversion or unhardening their hearts, it's that we've given up talking with them on secular political matters. Where we've realized that in the kind of the Greek logical sense, right?↗

2:01:52@malleusigThey don't subscribe to any form of logic that isn't explicitly self-serving, right? If, if like we, like the rest of us non-Jews, we, we have this understanding and respect for logic as a way to understand reality, right? For them If logic isn't helping them get what they want, it's worthless. Like there's no reason to show any respect to it, and what they'll do is instead they'll try and manipulate your respective logic to get their way. And that's why, I think almost without exception, every European country at some point has realized it's not worth talking with them, just get them the fuck out.↗

2:02:37Speaker 16Well, it certainly is interesting how there's-- they won't accept responsibility for anything, like you say, case in point, yeah, in many countries, and, and for some reason they get kicked out, and then it's just the blanket antisemitism, but it has to be something beyond that, and it is. I mean, if you read history and I collect a lot of, old, 1700, 1800, books written by, Jewish scholars and,↗

2:03:13Speaker 16you know, they were much more honest than the ones today, so about, you know, how they see the world. So, yeah, i-it's, there's a book that I have from, I don't know if you've heard of Michael Hoffman, but about the occult renaissance. Of the Roman Catholic Church, and it talks about some of the links historically between them in terms of doctrine and the Talmud. So I'm just actually started it, so it's, it's, gonna be good.↗

2:03:51Speaker 16But, yeah, I'll, I'll put it in a separate email. Hey, Jan, go ahead,↗

2:03:54@malleusiggo ahead.↗

2:03:56Speaker 17Hey, Jan, Jan, there's, there's a very old, Russian proverb. It says, "The Jew will always tell you what happened to him, but never tell you why."↗

2:04:08Speaker 16Really?↗

2:04:09@joann_marieAnd, yes. Oliver, Oliver has his hand up. And, and thank you so much for joining us, Jan. Oliver!↗

2:04:17Speaker 18Yes. So what is very important to understand, that's why it was very interesting what Chen said, that in their view there are many rabbis who say that, that in their view Christianity is only there to spread Judaism. So they say, they are laughing about us, they say, "Oh, by the way, I don't think, Jesus was a Jew, but that's another topic." They said, "Wow, everybody bows down to our Jew, and he's spreading Judaism because they connect," that's what I say is wrong, the Old Testament to the, Testament, big discussion, I won't do it here, but it fits to what she said. They think Christianity spread Judaism, and that's why they can say, "Yeah, the founding fathers used the Old Testament, that's why it's ours." So it's understandable from their view, Christianity, Christianity is a psyop to spread Judaism. It's very important to understand.↗

2:05:11@malleusigYeah, basically, they will use any halfway plausible twist of logic to make everything seem like it's about them. Like literally, like I will, I'm not even exaggerating.↗

2:05:22Ian MalcolmYeah, and Oliver, I'll, I'll be curious to throw this one at you because, I've, I've heard that statement and I've, I've got my own personal take that, essentially is rooted in kind of one or two, major premises. One is for a group of people that, at least as far as I can tell, at every turn Are, a-and again, not all, right? But that there's an overwhelming or disproportionate representation of people that behave in a way that's paranoid and that's also rather narcissistic. And so what does that mean? They never wanna be viewed, in a negative light or as a villain, and they always wanna be revered as that which is good, successful, noble, et cetera. Which if a psyop is really strange, then in the New Testament, they write themselves as essentially the, the villain of the story, right? That's the- The first piece. The second piece is the idea of if Christ was a sycophant, well then for a group of people who have a Talmud, which is expressly forbidden from being shown to the Gentiles Why, why did they include Christ there within? Why did they say He's burning in the vat of excrement? Why don't they just say in the, that book that again isn't supposed to be seen by any of the gentiles? Why don't they just tell 'em, "Ha, those suckers, we tricked 'em, and they've got a god that they worship, and we made it all up." That seems like it would be the, the obvious thing that would be done by a group of people who, again, perhaps have a disproportionate representation of narcissism and also a book Expressly forbid the others from seeing. So it seems like a really, it's a weird position. It's not one that I lend a lot of credence to. I can understand the idea that Christianity could be used as a weapon. I think it largely has been. I think the church has been undermined, not just in terms of perhaps the, the Vatican, but you can also look at televangelists like Joel Osteen, who's Jewish, right? And, and it feels like they're using that idea of the lamb to essentially weaken, Christians Christians and, and to make them more passive, and, and to allow them perhaps to be weak when, or meek when they should be strong and noble. I'm, I'm, but I'm, I'm curious for your thoughts on, on those two concepts, and, and then we'll go down to Donna who's got her hand up.↗

2:07:36Speaker 18Yeah, so, in the Talmud, yes, he's portray- portrayed negatively, but there's even a more twisted story in, in, in some Kabbalistic writings. So in their writings, Jesus is Satan, but Satan not in, in, in such a way we think of Satan, it's the accuser of the Jews. So, so, Jesus accused the Jews, and, and, and therefore he was killed for them, for their sins. but he had to fulfill this role of the accuser. But this comes from, it, it's not totally illogical in their view because Satan, I said that, I think in the last, last time already, Satan isn't what we think. Satan works for Yahuwah in, in the Old Testament. Testament as his prosecutor. And this is, this goes back to that, that here Jesus plays the role of the prosecutor of the Jews and, and then he's killed for their sins. So it's a little bit complicated and, and it's always, it's different branches, so you don't know if, if there are different rabbis who think different things. But this is one of the big topics that Jesus is Satan or Lucifer in, in their mind, but he had to fulfill this role because that's, again, that's the victim role. So he, he, he, he could He accused them, and, and, and then, then he was k-- killed for their sins. It's totally crazy, of course, but this is what they think.↗

2:09:03Ian MalcolmYou know, it, it almost feels like, what Rabbi was suggesting earlier, this idea of, of just twisting logic in any which way that makes sense, even where illogical, to try and fit a narrative that, again, perhaps paints them as the heroes because, again, oh, we, we called for the death of this noble guy that maybe was trying to tell us about a kingdom. Not here on Earth, but one in Heaven, and because it upset our, our vanities, we, we had him put to death. So now, how do we rewrite that story to make it so that we're not, we're not the villains, we did the good thing, right? Yeah. so it, it, it just does feel like a, a pattern, but, but again, I, I, I wanna thank all the individuals up here, you know, different takes, different ideas, and I think that, in that light or mild friction,↗

2:09:53Ian MalcolmAnd, perhaps we learn a little bit about our own positions along the, the way. so that being said, let's go down to, to Donna, and then we'll check in with Mr. David Niche. I wanna thank him so much for being here, one of the absolute, rock stars of X. So very excited for some of his thoughts.↗

2:10:11Speaker 19just very shortly, Ian, I have to go, but I would love to, have a discussion with you and, Jake Esposito, to clarify some of the twisting of the, Bible that occurred in this space and, to vet out this blasphemy that I think, has been portrayed here in, in, in In length.↗

2:10:42Speaker 19there are so many, points I, I would love to go through, but I really need to go to sleep and, let's, let's have a space, about the real story of the Israelites, where this misconception comes from, and, I think there will be a lot of clarifications. Thank you for hosting, and, yeah, love your spaces, every-- everything is↗

2:11:08Speaker 19great what you said, but there is some major misconception here. everyone, please re-repost the space and, have a good night, man.↗

2:11:21Speaker 20Thank you, Ian. I wanted to say that, some of the first pilgrims that came here, they were like of this faith,↗

2:11:33Speaker 20That they kind of thought of coming to America the same way the Jews felt about escaping Egypt. So like they were escaping the European, you know, kings or whatever persecutions. And so that was said, okay? And then it was, I think it was referenced just for, you know, how some people talk, they wanna make a picture. You know what I mean? They,↗

2:12:10Speaker 20They'll use certain phrases because they want to implant like a picture in your mind to remain when they do a speech or whatever. They'll bring up certain phrases or things. So it was, so that was brought up in a speech somewhere. And so all of a sudden now the Jews claim that The United States and the founding fathers and the whole idea of the whole thing is Jewish, because of that. Just like for five hundred years, Italian Catholics have been very proud of Christopher Columbus, and now all of a sudden the Jews come out and said, "Well, we dug up his, we dug up his son, and, there was a chance he's definitely, he, he, he might have some Jew blood in him."↗

2:12:56Speaker 20So now they're trying to claim that Christopher Columbus was actually a Jew and he discovered America, so like the Jews discovered America. It's, it's, so it's everywhere, but, but that whole thing about the, the founding, yeah, that was, you had some pilgrims. And by the way, the first Thanksgiving was fifty-five years before the one we celebrate, and it was done by the Catholics down in Saint Augustine, Florida. So anyway,↗

2:13:29Speaker 20no, they, they did have this belief because they, you remember back then they didn't have any other books, so it's like they had the Old Testament and the New Testament, and so they just felt like, you know, getting here to America and escaping whatever was going on, getting away from the king or whoever when they came here, and they just compared it to, like, the Jews escaping Israel, I mean, Egypt. So, and, and it was referenced As like a, like I said, as a, a pictorial type of phrase by one of, the speeches made, and, so they latched onto it. That, that's where that comes from.↗

2:14:13Ian MalcolmYou know, and it's, it's so funny, to that point, on Columbus, and I think there's a, a microcosm, and, and I'll, I'll bring, Rabbi into this one as well to get his take, because I'm, I'm sure he can also paint some, similarities. but, but Columbus is a great example. Columbus was the American hero. Columbus Day, everybody re-kind of had reverence for that individual and, and the bravery, right? And then all of a sudden, Somewhere like twenty years ago, Columbus became a big no-no, and then you had to rip down all of the statues, you had to reconsider using that name, for a, a federal holiday. you had to run it through the mud, you had to say, "Shame on you, white people," because after all, it was Columbus who came, and then that led to the demise of the Native Americans and all that followed there, and then, oh, we've got other things, and slavery, and oh, whites, you should be ashamed forever and↗

2:15:09Ian Malcolmever And then Donna, to your point, somewhere in there they just slid in. Oh yeah, by the way, Columbus, he was Jewish, and they'll take pride in that. They will leave out the fact, obviously, that, fourteen ninety-two, has another piece of history, with the Spanish expulsion of the Jews. And so it's like, oh, wow, curious, okay, so expulsion, we can get rid of that. We will then laud ourselves for Columbus when it's convenient, but I'm sure- If, in conversation it comes up that, "Oh, hey, Columbus, remember all those bad things with the Native Americans?", then quickly, "Oh, Columbus was an evil white guy." And my point is that it almost feels like pieces of history just get perverted, just like Rabbi and I have seen in conversations where words don't have meaning to, to be overrepresented, in fact, in something. Rabbi, I think you were in this one with me, where Mitch wanted to say that Jews weren't overrepresented in positions of power in- The media in politics, and I asked him, "Well, what does overrepresented mean?" And he said, "Oh, it's, it's, it's, it's when you have too much of something." I said, "No, that's↗

2:16:21Ian Malcolmtoo much is a qualifier. Overrepresented is a mathematical concept, it's a logical concept. But for him, no, it's, it's not overrepresented, in the media by Jews because that would be a bad thing." So it can only be bad, and then we had a different Jew in the very conversation who said, "Well, the reason that they're not overrepresented is because there's not enough of them. So suddenly overrepresented is a good thing, I suppose, right? Words literally just get twisted, they get turned, they get completely perverted, and stories get retold with characters being good or bad, and we're actually seeing that in this very space with Jacob and Esau, and this idea that the person who seemingly is just dishonest and, and no- Mabel is somehow the hero, he's the brave guy, even as the other individual is being lied to at every turn, he's seemingly doing all the work, and he's getting cheated out of his birthright. But Rabbi, maybe I'm missing something, I'd be curious for your thoughts on this, and then we'll go to David.↗

2:17:24@joann_marieRabbi?↗

2:17:27@joann_marieMaybe Rabbi isn't there. David! How are you? Thank you so much for being here. He's, he's one of my favorite account guys.↗

2:17:36Speaker 21What did you say?↗

2:17:38@joann_marieYou're one of my favorite accounts, David.↗

2:17:40Speaker 21Oh, thank you very much. You know, when language was invented, what was the purpose of it? The purpose of it was, of course, humans were trying to sustain and promote and prolong their lives, and language was a wonderful and mysterious new thing. It was a way to convey things to people, especially when you started writing it down. Just imagine when they started, you know, pottery was a good advancement for language because you were able to write a symbol on a pot to convey what's in it. And this is eight thousand years ago, by the way, seven thousand years ago. And then it was almost magical, someone else would come in the room and they would see a symbol and it was though a spirit was still in the room communicating with them. So there was a communal aspect to language, but this isn't the way the people that we're talking about think, and I'm sorry, but our friend who came in and said, "I really wanna understand them," well, I don't think you do.↗

2:18:30Speaker 21I don't think you do because when words become weapons, if someone keeps changing their story and keeps changing their ideology and keeps lying to you, and it doesn't matter what they say, it always comes out to your disadvantage. What's the point of having a discussion with that person? What is it? In, if we think of this as game theory, what is it? What's the end game for them? It's to win. And what kind of winning are we talking about? Is it zero sum winning or the idea that a rising tide lifts all boats? Is it communal or is it-- does it come at your expense? And once you realize that, you realize, gosh, you know, this- This isn't a real discussion I'm having here. I can have a real discussion, by the way, with anybody. If you, if you're an ardent believer in communism, I can have that. If you believe in reincarnation, I'm really curious. I'd love to sit down. Okay, how did you arrive at that? How did you-- How do you convince yourself of this? Very interesting to me. Any religious perspective, by the way, I can say the same thing about. But if you just-- If everything, if words are weapons for you, and you don't care about↗

2:19:41Speaker 21Self-preservation, right? Remember this, everyone. Behind every hypocrisy lies an ulterior motive. And if you are talking to people that are rife with hypocrisy in their language, in their form of communication, then obviously the ulterior motive Is for them to win and you to lose, and that has been happening for a couple of thousand years from now, and the game is up once you see how it works. Once the magic trick is obvious to you, then it becomes pathetic when the magician does it again, because you're like, "No, I know the cards up your sleeve. I know how this works. I understand your ledger domain. And so I just wanna caution anybody who's-- I just wanna understand, what else is there to understand? What they're doing isn't profound or deep. A child could scribble This on the wall with their own bile. Profundity isn't here, folks. Don't try to swim in a mud puddle. Don't try to plumb the depths of something that isn't deep. So I'm just, just my cautionary, this is my response. I mean, you can, you can go ahead and talk, maybe there's some sort of epistemological value in how this bullshit works and how much of their own bullshit they believe. I am not personally interested in having that discussion.↗

2:21:01Ian MalcolmNo, that's always David, very well stated. And, and I, I, I think that concept there around the idea of this being a conversation or debate being a, a win or a loss rather than an opportunity to become educated, right? That, that's a, a very kind of curious and, and maybe cautious tale, right? And it, it tells us something perhaps about the intent of, some of those that come into these spaces. And when When it's coupled with a willingness to lie about anything to serve the needs of perhaps the interests of a party indifferent to, oh, I don't know, things like nobility or honor or shame, it, it can be,↗

2:21:46Ian Malcolmexhausting. And it's, it's the reason that, I tend to, in, let's say, debate with these individuals that we're discussing, I tend to be very direct, very blunt, and I ask very basic questions. I try, I try Try to essentially take, whatever the complex issue is at hand and just de-root it all the way down to the most basic of ingredients and say, okay, this is the entree. We're gonna look at each little piece of the ingredients that make this up, and we will catch you in obvious lies if need be to demonstrate how silly the argument that you're trying to construct is. and so it's, it's very, very wise words there, David. And, and with that being said, let's go to Jan, who just put her hand up, and then we↗

2:22:31Speaker 16Well, just in response to that, I mean, you know, to each their own. If, if that's, I certainly understand the, effort it takes to be in conversation with some of them, not all, but, and it can be very, very wearisome. But at the same time, in some of the things that I'm looking at in my work↗

2:22:58Speaker 16like I was looking at- What work is↗

2:23:00Speaker 21that?↗

2:23:02Speaker 16Education.↗

2:23:03Speaker 21Okay, I mean, can you be, can you be a little more specific?↗

2:23:06Speaker 16Nope, and I'm looking at DEI and critical race theory, and what's happening now, is very similar. Jan, are those things you↗

2:23:17Ian Malcolmsupport or you're saying you're, you're critiquing them when you say DEI?↗

2:23:20Speaker 16I'm critiquing them.↗

2:23:21Ian MalcolmUnderstood.↗

2:23:23Speaker 16So, it's been very harmful to everyone, but it's, it's been very harmful in the universities. But I've noticed that what is now, cropping up from Israel, a secular Israel, and also, the ADL is very simi-similar in principles to DEI and critical race↗

2:23:49Speaker 21theory. Where did critical race theory start, just out of curiosity? Well,↗

2:23:51Speaker 16that's what I'm looking at because I'm beginning to wonder, I'm beginning to wonder if it came from them and they set it up. So then now it makes sense. Wait,↗

2:24:01Speaker 21you're an academic and you're wondering, you're still-- Have you heard of the Frankfurt School? I mean, that would be the place where it started, right? Yeah, that's what↗

2:24:09Ian MalcolmI was gonna mention, David. Right.↗

2:24:11Speaker 16Yeah, the Frankfurt School. Okay.↗

2:24:13Speaker 21And so tell me about that.↗

2:24:16Speaker 16Well, I'm going to talk about what I wanna talk about, David, thank you. Well, well, no,↗

2:24:23Ian Malcolmcan, Jen, can you answer his question then?↗

2:24:25Speaker 16No, I'm, I'm, I'm just giving, I'm giving an answer about what I wanted to answer when David was saying, "Why bother? " And I'm saying that there are connections that are happening, that are, I find very fascinating watching how all of a sudden DEI and critical race theory are being destroyed, which is fine, that's good,↗

2:24:53Speaker 16but at the same time, there's another one that is actually, being raised up in the name of antisemitism. But it's, the principles are the same as DEI and critical race theory, so I find this really interesting.↗

2:25:10Speaker 21So what's, what's coming up in the name of antisemitism?↗

2:25:15Speaker 16Well, all of the different, controls, like for example, in Florida, just this past week, they're talking about, changing textbooks so that, Palestine and different phrases that refer to Palestine aren't included that they're going to be calling them Judea and Samaria.↗

2:25:37Ian MalcolmYeah, and so they're starting out of curiosity when it comes to-- because I, I think where David is going with this, and I'm just gonna give you a very high level, overview, wouldn't it be weird if the same people and ideological origin story of essentially all of the DEI policies and woke ideologies, whether it's feminism, LGBT ideology, transgenderism? all of these things, along with perhaps mass migration, misintegration, the idea of, of kind of multicultural everything, wouldn't it be really weird if almost all of those can be tracked back to the Frankfurt School, if at the head of almost every one of those movements, including even Martin Luther King, who was just celebrated the other day, if even he had his speeches, written by Stanley Levenson, a Jew? Wouldn't it be weird if those were all originated from the same group of people that sought to essentially- Propagandize their ideology, censor and silence anybody who objected to them, normalize them via the media, and then simultaneously turn around and when those became, I guess, slightly less convenient, instead just started saying, "You know what? Instead, we're just gonna say you can't say anything because everything is antisemitism." Might that maybe give us an idea who's behind all these things and if they run antithetical to Christianity, might it be reasonable for us to critique them?↗

2:27:01Speaker 16Well, you've just answered my what I was saying, Ian. You've just basically provided a succinct answer for all the different connections because My response to David is, it is important to look into it, it is important to understand it, and you've just proven that point. I didn't say it wasn't important↗

2:27:21Speaker 21to look to it, look into it or understand it. I said, if you're talking to people who view language, who words as weapons and don't care about the truth, and they're incredibly inconsistent and deceptive, and they get into, tossing every word that disfavors them into the abyss of no meaning, then of course it's unreasonable to expect that conversation to be of any real- Value, it was Max Weber, and I think inspired by David Hume, it coined the phrase rationalization to use rational methodology to defend irrational ideas, inherently irrational ideas, which means inconsistent, illogical ideas, ideas that don't have the pleasure of agreeing with themselves. I am saying it is an act of futility. You know, when someone-- I was at a party recently, over Thanksgiving, where someone handed me a Rubik's cube and said, "Uh, you know, solve this," and I said, "Can you solve this?" And I'm like, "Yes." And they Back and did you solve it? I said, I don't need to do it to solve it, I already know the answer, I can do it in a couple of minutes, right? I know the answer to this. I have solved this. Most of us in this room have solved this. So the, the idea that the person that you're talking about, the, the Zionist or the Jewish supremacist, the idea that they're going to explain it to you is, forgive me, but ludicrous. They're not going to do this, okay? They're, you know, you're, you One here, ghost came in the room. You kinda know what's going on here, right? You don't say, "Oh, tell me about ghosts," and explain to me how they work. You know, you, you kinda know you're being lied to here, right? Isn't that true?↗

2:28:58Speaker 16Well, David, perhaps what you're indicating through the way that you're speaking to me is That, you know, you have learned a lot more than I have at this point, and I'm still learning, and you've reached a certain point where you're not prepared to engage in certain conversations, and that's fine. But maybe I am at a different place in my walk, and I'm still learning about some things, and I have a certain focus because I want to change things. I don't, I don't like the direction. That we're going, and I wanna work in my own little small way of being able to change things. So, yeah, I do think it's important to ask questions, and sometimes, yeah, you can be-- you can tell that you're being lied to, and even that you can learn from, so↗

2:29:53Speaker 21Well, I do commend you, though, my friend↗

2:29:55Speaker 22Because anybody that has sort of a strong opinion about the awfulness of DEI and that sort of thing, you know, you're on the right side of history, and I can tell your heart's in the right place, and I really respect that, because I probably wouldn't be so vocal if I didn't think about the children in Gaza and also the idea that they, straight out of the Frankfurt School, of course, we just said, started promoting the idea of dragging our wonderful innocent children onto operating tables to, to- Cut them up after they convince them that they're in the wrong body. So I, I know your heart's in the right, right place, and of course, I really appreciate that.↗

2:30:33Ian MalcolmYeah, and the last little thing that I was, gonna add on to that one, Jen, so one of the, the curious pieces going down this, this rabbit hole or the rabbi hole, as some in here might refer to it, i-is, is the reality that, that, the deeper you dig, the more you find that there's,↗

2:30:53Ian MalcolmI don't know, once you Become Neo and, and you've ejected yourself from the digital mainframe of this kind of technocratic, academic, financial, let's say, superstructure that keeps most of us completely locked in and, and under the veil of, of this world that we're in. But once you eject yourself from it, the weirdest part is looking back and realizing the reason that it was so difficult to get to that point and to kind of see it with such clarity is because all of the things that you look to to try and- Better understand that world while you're inside it, we're lying to you. And I say this be-- now, it's more relevant now than ever because so many people are turning to AI for just about everything. They are using it to not only influence their, their minds and their ideas, they're using it to basically construct how they understand the world, which begets the question, who runs all of the AI companies? And just like with the textbooks, just like with the media, just like with the Hollywood studios, just like with all the, the social media App ownership, big tech ownership, it's, it's all in the same hands, and so where it gets very confusing, and this is, again, when it comes to like the Frankfurt School, if you go and you ask Rock right now, "Are, are, are woke ideologies Jewish?", it will tell you, "No, that is an antisemitic trope or a conspiracy theory." But then you find yourself digging more and more into these subjects, and the next thing you know, you find literal headlines. From the Times of Israel or other very pro-Jewish news outlets saying, "You know, LGBT ideology is Jewish ideology and celebrating it." And then you're like, "Wait a second, that's weird." And then you see race realism and Martin Luther King were brought to you by the Jews, and you'll find a thousand different articles in literal newspapers or just, let's say, interviews done with intellectuals. Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro himself, yeah!↗

2:32:48Speaker 22They↗

2:32:48Ian Malcolmwon't tell you these things. Didn't↗

2:32:49Speaker 22we just, didn't we just have a Jewish media mogul woman who bragged they were in front of every woke issue, that they were the drivers behind all of it? The↗

2:32:57Ian Malcolmdrivers behind all of it, and then, and then she had the audacity not only to say that, but then to say, "How dare you now turn around and view us with any animosity after suggesting that all of these social movements that Jews have been at the top of all of them?" And so the reason that I mention it, Jen, is just because when you're going↗

2:33:18Ian MalcolmNothing else, the thing that you said that, that will stick with me every time I see your profile picture is you suggesting, look, that we're on different parts of this path, and that I was once and David was once and everybody was once in the same point that you are right now looking at and trying to just understand what is going on because so much makes so little sense, and, and that's why I, I try to always be and to foster conversations that are very open ended, that anybody can find approachable, and we shouldn't- Never, ever slap the hands of somebody that comes in in good faith and just says, "Hey, I'm in a different mindset, and maybe I'm just looking at the world in a different way." Because what, what gets wild, Jan, is the further you go down this path, and I, I can promise you, it'll go from Fox News to Ben Shapiro to Alex Jones to Tucker Carlson, then you find yourself in this room, and fast forward six months from now, you'll be in Truth Teller's space, and you'll be like, "Yep, that's, that guy basically↗

2:34:18Ian MalcolmThe more you just realize that, again, that idea of the matrix, it's, it's been completely constructed and consumed and designed to prohibit you from seeing the most obvious of truths. And if you want any better example of it, just think of how uncomfortable it is to even say, "I think Jews have too much power. I think they control too much. I think Jewish supremacy is an issue." And if you say that in public conversation with just regular people walking through a, a mall or as you get ready to go to a movie theater, a, a lot of people, eighty, ninety percent at least of Americans will look at you like you have three heads and you're a bigot, merely for saying the word Jews. People are really uncomfortable, and that in and of itself Tells you how much you've been programmed and propagandized because you can open up just about any newspaper and you can find endless articles about white privilege, white supremacy, white bias, white intrinsic bias, white subconscious bias. That's right, it's totally fine for anybody and everybody to say that whites deep down, they don't even know it, but they are bigots, and they have to be, unless they own that they are. That's where we are in society, and yet the same group of people that have programmed that into your mind have gotten essentially everybody around you to the point that they won't even say the word Jews in the same sentence as something that's critical, and it just should tell you how intrinsic this is, how internalized it has been in, in you, in your neighbors, in your family, your children, your parents, and it's been this way-- This isn't your fault, by the way, or anybody's fault, or any- Anybody that's still completely asleep in the Matrix, this is the world that we were all born into. We were slaves the moment that we came into it, not because some Jew says that Americans are slaves to Israel, but because everything you were given was designed to lie to you, to program you, to propagandize you, and to basically make you just subservient to a system you didn't even know that you were in. And so we're gonna keep trying to wake up. And I might be wrong, and Jan, if I am, and you go and you look at some of those is↗

2:36:33Ian MalcolmYou know what? No, no, no, no, no. LGBT and trans and all this other stuff, that's not Jewish. That, it's actually the Mormons. Please, please come back and please tell me, but what I think you'll probably end up, gonna find is yourself on that issue looking at Magnus Hirschfeld in Weimar Germany in a time when people were literally authoring books saying Germany must perish, all of their boys must be, they must either be neutered or removed from the face of the earth, written by Jews. And then you're like, wait a second Why is it that the most evil guy according to everything is the guy that came in and removed the brothels, he removed the pornography, he removed the transgenderism, he removed all of these things? He tried to provide homes for his people, he tried to get rid of central banking, tried to get rid of the Rothschilds and their schemes and their thieves? What, this doesn't make any sense! And I'm not lionizing anybody, I'm not rewriting history, instead I'm just trying to understand it, and, and the wildest piece is to recognize that, again, some of the most heroic of people are portrayed as the villains, and some of the most villainous people are portrayed as the heroes.↗

2:37:40Speaker 23And so, you know,↗

2:37:41@joann_mariethe↗

2:37:41Speaker 23thing↗

2:37:45@joann_marieis I just wanted to ask, Jan, hold on a second, Oliver needs to go and he wants to say a, a few last words, and it was such an absolute honor having you here, Oliver, and I'll go back to you in a second, Jan. Oliver, go for it, I'm so sorry.↗

2:37:59Speaker 24Yeah, thank you. My family is waiting for me for a while now. I, I think it was a very good space. I just want to add two things. you, you got a lot, I have a lot written about the Frankfurt School in my book, The Open Secret. It's, they are basically cabalists. It's a very interesting story. And the last thing I want to say is, in the Bible it says, "The truth will set you free." Not Jesus, not God, the truth. And why I'm saying that? I don't Of course, somebody inter-interjected that before. I don't believe any of the churches. You have to seek your truth yourself. You study the Bible, you study the text. Maybe your interpretation is wrong, but you are allowed to interpret it your way. You don't have to listen to any priest or, to any church. So that's it. Thank you very much. Bye.↗

2:38:51Ian MalcolmNo, Oliver, thank you so much, and, and Jan, what an absolute, wonderful connection. Oliver's written countless works, again, been featured in many mainstream, publications, many broadcasts. was once, if I'm not mistaken, a very prominent, actually journalist, regularly featured on some of the biggest news programs out in the European continent until he started talking about these subjects. Which might tell us something about the power structure, of those empires. And so his works, you can certainly grab them, has some absolutely wonderful literature, those are available on his page. I'll put them all up into the nest, so that everybody can see some of those, but you can literally visit him also at his website. A lot of these books available through some of the biggest retailers, and so Oliver, just such an absolute blessing to have you here, my friend. I'm always so humbled by your presence. I look forward to You. and with that, as Oliver's heading out, I just wanna thank everybody who's been listening. We'll certainly go through a couple more hands, I imagine, envision that Mr. Truth Teller's probably gonna be firing off a space in not too long, and, so as he does, what we'll do is certainly move anybody and everybody that wants to continue the conversation over to that room. but in the interim, let's make sure to go around Oliver again. Just wanna thank you so much, my friend. Lots and lots of love. Thank you for coming through↗

2:40:18Ian MalcolmMr. Josh and Zach, aka This and That.↗

2:40:23Speaker 23Well, I was just going to ask a question to you and David and Oliver if he, if he doesn't disappear right away. you know, once you have this information, and I've had a lot of it for, I think about the Frankfurt School since the late nineties.↗

2:40:44Speaker 23And, you, you know, you reach a point where finally you can't ignore it anymore, but through periods of your life, you maybe are focused on other things and you ignore it, but then you get to a point where you say, "What are you gonna do about it? Are you going to, just, you know, meet and complain about it or not talk about it or what are you gonna do about it?" And so- I guess that's my question to all of you is, what are you going to do about this? I'm thinking maybe we need to start up, you know, a whole new parallel society with different schools, different curriculum,↗

2:41:27Speaker 23and, I, I guess You know, I, that's why I continue to do my research, but I am already thinking of what we must do in order to try and, you know, remove ourselves from this if we can. I don't know what's possible, but I'd like to think that we could.↗

2:41:54Speaker 22Shall I? Or would you like to- No, please,↗

2:41:58Ian Malcolmplease do, David.↗

2:42:00Speaker 22Thomas Jefferson said that an enlightened people cannot be tyrannized over, and this is true. And our emancipation for that reason I am telling you is imminent. And you say, throughout history, by the way, people that have been subjugated, someone has written something on the order of "What is to be done?" And hasn't always ended well. But it does end well when we define ourselves by our loves and not our hatreds. I don't want vengeance on anybody, I want emancipation. I want people to be free. I want people to live by non-coercion. I don't want a small group of people to use the threat of the political state to make me obey and pay them. And at the, at the risk of my being murdered or incaged, and that's what we're talking about. That's who's ruling us. The fairy dust of legitimacy is gone.↗

2:42:53Speaker 22but once we all acknowledge that, once we spread the word, then we'll win, because there is no way such an infinitesimally small group of people can rule us. And I love your idea about envisioning the future, about how we separate ourselves from them, in terms of how we educate ourselves. You know, I know that it's a trite thing to say, but love actually does win, because these people are defined not by love, but by ignominy and hatred. Nobody that says, "We bombed those schools because..." Other people that we wanna bomb ran into them. We killed all those children because we had to because someone else that, that we don't want and wanted to kill ran in the building. They've lost all legitimacy. And so, I will tell you, people think that us talking-- let me tell you something, they wouldn't be trying to censor us, they wouldn't be trying to suppress us if this wasn't working. The great awakening is happening, and I will say this anywhere. I say it out in public life, by the way, Ian, I will say that, I will say to people, for instance, "Yes, Jewish supremacy is the big problem, and I'm okay if they don't wanna talk about it, if they wanna change." I've had people just, you know, quietly kind↗

2:44:04Speaker 22Oh, gosh, I can't believe someone said it, but yeah, I said it. Yes. Here's the rules. You get to kill everybody, tell us what to do, with whom to associate, what we're allowed to say, what we're supposed to think, and I get to call you out for doing so. So, so the awakening is happening to your question, and the answer is, is to keep speaking out, use your power of freedom of speech that is obviously important because they're trying to take it away from you.↗

2:44:34Ian MalcolmThat's so well stated there, David, and, and, I, I do think it's, one little addition, is that this, this concept, of the expulsions, I think if anything else, it should give us the awareness that, not only perhaps has this happened in the past, but that people have been able, to, in ways that were legal, likely righteous, that they were able to address this issue, perhaps via ejections. and if that isn't the, let's say the, the righteous path, the legal path, et cetera, the, the first thing that we can of course do to try and figure out what could be done in a future state is to make people aware of this reality. and it's something that obviously is being so-censored, it's being suppressed. Every single space that I host, I get multiple messages from people saying, "I come into your room and a minute or two in, the audio cuts out. It seems to happen over and over and over again."↗

2:45:32Ian MalcolmThe reason I bring that up, Jan, is because if they thought they had already won, then they wouldn't be doing the censorship, they wouldn't be doing the suppression, they wouldn't be running all of the ruses, they wouldn't be buying up TikTok and every other media empire out there. They would just say, "Well, it's over, we won." Good on us, pat ourselves on the back, let the little people say whatever they want 'cause it doesn't matter. Obviously it does matter. They are desperate to control the narrative, Netanyahu himself even talked about how this is the fifth or the seventh generation of warfare, whatever number he used. Surprised he didn't say the six millionth. but either way, right? They are on their back foot because this is something that, to a comment David makes all the time, right? The lie needs to be repeated a million times, the truth just whispered once, and that's the reality.↗

2:46:19Ian MalcolmThese truths you learn about the Frankfurt School, once you do and you look into it, you're probably not gonna find yourself two or three days from now thinking, "Oh, you know what? I think woke ideology came from maybe a couple black professors in New York." It's just not gonna happen. You're gonna realize the common denominator of a lot of these social norms, then you start trying to understand the why, and once you kind of look into some of these more biblical pieces, or perhaps the very words that your, two Jewish, I don't know if they're counterparts or friends suggested,↗

2:46:49Ian MalcolmThe United States is nothing but a slave colony for Jews in Israel. what a wild theology for somebody to have. but so Jen, really appreciate you being here. I, another big shout out to Mr. Oliver. I see Mr. Truth teller down in the room, not sure if he's gonna be open. Oh↗

2:47:05Speaker 23I just wanted to say thank you for letting me speak, and this has been an amazing conversation. Hi, Anointed, I haven't seen you in a long time. I just wanted to say hi to Anointed. Shalom,↗

2:47:16Speaker 24thank you so much, I appreciate that.↗

2:47:19Speaker 23Okay, yeah. Jan, I left you some, stuff in the purple pill, history stuff.↗

2:47:25Ian MalcolmAnd Jan, I probably don't want to let you go, but I do have a different opinion than, most of you in here, so I would like to voice that if you have a moment. Yeah, so here's the thing that I'm, I'm actually gonna hit, press the mute button because, what do you know? Is it, speaking of supremacy, isn't it weird that we had a very long list of people requesting mics trying to come up that were interested in speaking their mind? so many came up, individual after individual. They were very calm, they were very peaceful, they were very polite. We had one individual not too long ago who said, actually, I think it was Rabbi, who said, actually, if I'm not mistaken, there were↗

2:48:02Ian MalcolmTo jump the line. That was how we were conducting ourselves. You know who then whined like a little girl in the purple pill saying, "Why doesn't the Jew get to speak? They're underrepresented." Well, it was Yehudi. Now, here's the irony, Yehudi, if Jews are two percent of the United States and point two percent of the entire planet, do you know how they would be properly reflected on a space that has ten speakers? They wouldn't be on it.↗

2:48:30Ian MalcolmThat's how mathematics works. It's actually you are now overrepresented being the sole Jew on the panel. It's mathematics, you might not be too good at it, perhaps, because it seems like those IQ tests, Jews don't do very well in the logic side of things. But you whined like a little girl in the purple pill. Why isn't it my turn? So you know what I did? I expedited you. I brought you to the top of the list. I let you supersede the other individuals. You came up here. You didn't last a minute without saying, "Well, I want to speak my piece." So you know what we're now going to do? We're going to kick you off the panel.↗

2:49:13Ian MalcolmYou should be glad that I'm not kicking you out of the room altogether. You're going to say, "Woe is me," the Jew will say, "Why didn't they let me speak sooner? Why don't I get to give my soliloquy?" Well, for a few reasons. Number one, I don't care. I don't want it. I don't need it. I've probably heard it a thousand times. I'd be very surprised if not shocked. Nay, I would be bewildered if you didn't just lie through your teeth, obscure obvious truths, misrepresent, or, let's say, fail to properly define the very words that you would utilize as you slithered through the conversation. But you're not gonna even get to do it, 'cause I'm tired of it. I think a lot of people are tired of it. We're tired of being lied to. We're tired of the supremacy. We're tired of hearing stories like the one that Jan provided about the two Jews who said that Americans are slaves to Israel and Jews. I believe that's actually the worldview of a lot of Jews. I believe that they get that out of their Talmud. I believe that perhaps it's something that might even be genetic. Perhaps due to schizophrenia, paranoia, narcissism, or some of the genetic predispositions that exist amongst Jews.↗

2:50:35Ian MalcolmSo thank you, Yehudi, thank you for demonstrating I'm going to share my views, don't care, don't need 'em, don't want 'em. I bet a lot of the people in the audience couldn't care less for them. So you can go and cry and whine and start your own room that will be, it'll be visited by six million people. Oh no, probably won't. That number would be a fabrication for your space, because you have no audience, you have no reach, you have no interest, all you have is fabrications and lies, and you presently have a lot of frustration. I can just see you in my mind sitting there. I can't believe they did this to me. folks, if you wanna know the best way to deal with a person who is narcissistic, just ignore them. Don't even respond. Don't give them your frustrations or your energy. Mads talks about this all the time, Australian Mads. The narcissist lives off of your energy, the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's like a vampire. It has to have you, your blood, your lifeline. Instead Just let it roll off your shoulders. Just be the slicker, if you will, out in the rain. And when they come by, here I come! Nope, right off of my shoulder. You're out of here. So, Yootie, thank you, that was wonderful. For anybody who doesn't believe me, go down into the purple pill. Why am I not allowed to be up here? Why are we underrepresented? You're not. You're two percent of the planet. Again, it's remarkable that you made it up here, but I know that when it comes to X, you're very accustomed to running into every space and having all of them managed and hosted by Jews. And do you know why I say that, everybody? 'Cause just earlier today, somebody sent me a little video clip, you're not gonna believe this space, Truth Teller went into one, and he was debating with what I thought was an FBA space that also, for some reason, had this very sweet-sounding old lady And there they were debating these topics, and this guy V goes up there and very calmly, very peacefully says, "You know, I, I think there's kind of a weird concentration of power and I don't know." And this guy interrupts him, and he says, "Yeah, it's all white people." Thirty seconds later, he says that he's a Jew. Weird. Why isn't even in prospectively what seemed like an FBA space, one of the co-hosts was a Jew? Why are they all over this application at every turn? Could it be that there's an entire branch of the Israeli military designed to control social media? That is running with, I don't even know, dozens, hundreds, thousands of people, that they have agents all over these applications designed to do nothing but manipulate and control your mind in the event that the censorship and the suppression doesn't do it in and of itself. Wild. So I apologize for the rant, but Yehudi, thank you for offering it to me. You just served it up on a silver platter. Next time, don't come in and whine like a little girl. Isn't my turn yet? And then when you get a mic, I'm here! Don't, don't do that. Act like an adult, act like a man, have some honor, have some ethics. If you don't know what those words mean, look 'em up. I know that Hebrew doesn't have a word for accountability, but perhaps you can process what it means next time you can entertain us with your ideologies by first acting like an adult. So I apologize to everybody for that very long-winded rant. Gen Z, please take the mic because I've been going far too long.↗

2:54:06Speaker 25Yeah, I just wanted to say, two things really. With Jan specifically, I think she brought up a good point where, you know, once you kind of take the black pill, you swallow it, and then, you know, you kind of maybe- You know, do what you want with it without going vulgar, but you, you, you kind of come out of that and you start to strategize, okay, like, okay, we're here now, this is what it is, we're basically prisoners of war in our own countries, what do we do? So when she brought up parallel societies and, you know, homeschooling communities, things like that, that's where I started gravitating to in the beginning, so I really acknowledged that and I thought that was, you know, very powerful, and, you know, I think David and I kind As far down the path as you guys, and I think that's one of the most important things for all of us in here that do this a lot to really understand is that there's a ton of people flocking in our direction, and we have to use our, you know, maybe preliminary due diligence to maybe point them in the right direction so that it can be very optimized. I think that's very important, and I wanted to give a little bit of flowers to David because he brought up a good point. I know he said this in another space, but I wasn't on the speaker panel, when he basically said that there are people that are trying to maybe have a conversation, and then there are people who are trying to win a conversation. My entire life, I feel like I've almost been engaging in this type of reconnaissance where I don't even know if I even care if I win. I've won debates, I've lost debates, but at the same time,↗

2:55:36Speaker 25I Other conversations with more intellect, and when David said that, I really resembled with that because one of the core tenets that I try to live by, by is seeking to understand before being understood, right? And I think that is very powerful, and when David Britt, it was like, you know, you ever hear somebody say something and it just kind of clicks for you? When David basically said that some people are trying to win a conversation and maybe not necessarily just bounce ideas off each other and become better as a unit, that really stuck with me. So David, I just wanted to give you, you know Message for everyone moving forward, don't even try to necessarily win a debate. You know, we're all in this together. We're-- none of us have the correct answers, so it doesn't make any sense to gatekeep for a, you know, selfish maybe quote-unquote win. So collectivize our conversations. One of the reasons I follow Ian Malcolm so tendentiously is because He not only has blatant, you know, ability to articulate, but he's incredibly emotionally intelligent when it comes to maybe a adversarial encounter. And I think that's something that moving forward with this war of attrition that they're basically trying to exterminate us with, we're gonna have to engage in unbelievably. So I think Ian, you know, obviously you, Truth, and, and David, ever-- everyone's good at articulating, but for you, for you specifically, you have made me a better person because I have tried to emulate that as much as I possibly can because you- I, I think you're one of the more pinnacle,↗

2:56:58Speaker 25you know, maybe pioneers of that realm. So just wanted to give flowers to David, wanted to empathize with Jan, and I wanted to, obviously give, you know, I'll always glaze in, nothing new here, but, yeah, appreciate the mic.↗

2:57:11Ian MalcolmAnd it's↗

2:57:12Speaker 25right back at you, Gen Z. Sorry, David.↗

2:57:14Speaker 22The great thing about the truth is that it's so resonating, it's the reason why we don't live in caves. You know, people had all sorts of ideas about how- How the future must progress. However, that which corresponds to reality, the, the, the laws of existence, the laws of nature that allowed us to have light bulbs always existed. It just took a genius to inveigle them from the clutches of the universe. You know, and that's, that's because it corresponds to the truth. And I, I, you know, the weirdest line we keep bringing up, the Matrix. Ian, I've never said this to you, but- The strangest line that people probably never think about in The Matrix is when Cipher says, when he's betrayed everyone and he wants to be plugged back into the Matrix, he says, "I don't wanna remember anything.↗

2:58:05Speaker 22Remember that." Why did the writer feel the need to have that character say that? Because when you know the truth- You would have to have your memory erased for you to experience the luxury of the ignorance that you previously enjoyed. You'd have to-- could you go back in the Matrix and lay there and go, "Well, this is all fake, but it's fun." No, no, no. You would need the lie to be re-impressed on your brain, and how could that happen if you didn't drink from the river of Mimmos, if you didn't forget everything? So this is the thing, and this is why, it's sort of like chemotherapy when you talk to people. I notice that it's like friendly fire in the best way. I can be talking to people in person, ten, fifteen, twenty people, and the person that actually sort of catches on or gets it never says a word, and they're not even the main person that-- with whom I'm just talking. And they'll come back a week or two weeks later and say, "You know, I remember that thing you said. Yeah, I looked into that." And they'll start iterating That truth teller said, or that Ian said, and that's the way it works. Keep talking, folks. Don't delude yourself into thinking this isn't powerful. I mean, it's really powerful. When Voltaire said the pen is mightier than, than the sword, he didn't mean the pen itself, he meant the ideas, he meant the truth, he meant the veracity that was being communicated with ink and paper, and of course, we're doing that today. So yes, absolutely, keep on, keep it on, and anybody that's on their journey- Allow people to be on the stage of the journey that they are, encourage them absolutely, as long as they have a good heart and a good spirit, you can count on them getting to the right place.↗

2:59:51Ian MalcolmDavid, that was incredible, my friend, and, and, it's, it's so-↗

3:59:55Speaker 26And I have never accepted Vatican II in its entirety.↗

4:00:00Speaker 27you know who wrote it? Jews. Alright? And because that came out in my, my research. So, Jan, that's some of the stuff I'm sending to you in your DM. So anyway, long time listener, first time speaker. So I appreciate you allowing me to have the mic and voicing myself. So I'm gonna drop. So thanks.↗

4:00:29Ian MalcolmYeah, no, appreciate that. And, and look, appreciate anybody that's out there speaking about these issues and, despite any of the friction, I, I, I support all the spaces that bring attention to this, plight, and it's- I mean, the, the, there's multiple genocides taking place right now. There's obviously the one very front and center of what took place with the, individuals in Gaza, which is obviously an atrocity. I believe that what's happening in Ukraine is a, subversive genocide. I believe that they are essentially sending these individuals, that they're rounding up in the middle of the streets that are age eighteen to eighty-five, it seems, some of which aren't even being sent with proper munitions and/or even Body protective, gear or body armor, and they're being sent to the front lines to just be shot, executed, murdered, whatever, while simultaneously there are literally Israeli Jews moving to Ukraine under the guise that it needs to be repopulated. What, what, what do you call that if not an ethnic replacement? And what is it if you are intentionally sending these people to their death knowing that they have no chance of winning this war? That is a genocide. and I think there's genocides all over the planet That are being orchestrated and architected by this same group of people, and I do believe it's a genocide when you take a, a nation, you flood it with people from a completely different culture, different race, different, let's say, heritage, different history, and then you push endless propaganda and programming to those people that they should all blend together. That inevitably, like, just think about the logical conclusion of that. If that goes on Generation after generation, two, three, four, five generations down the line, how many of those original people are left? Probably a very small amount.↗

4:02:21Speaker 28And do you remember what Nicolas Sarkozy, the French Jewish president at the time in twenty twelve, said to an audience of native French people? He said, "You must be willing to miscegenate with these native, he didn't say invaders, but these, these migrant populations. You native French- French indigenous folk must be willing to mate with them, or we will have government coercion. It'll be necessitated, mandated. I couldn't believe it. I mean, are, you know, non-Jew, Jews are whites absolute pussies? Are they ever going to stand up for their own interests? And one other thing, as what's her name said, the red threat. I'm in Albert's face every day. I'm to the point now where he gives me a mic.↗

4:03:09Speaker 27No, I know, I know, Mighty, but let me just finish on this real quick. So- I-- for those that are Catholic that are in this space, I want you-- well, no, let me rephrase that. It would benefit you to keep an eye on what the Pope is saying, what he's recommending us to do. and I was not aware. I, I pray the rosary three times a day, and one of those rosaries was for the unification, the unity of the Al, Eglitn. I can't pronounce the word correctly, apologize. And the Catholics to come together, and there's a huge misunderstanding what that actually means, but what it really means is it, it is the start of unification for all Christians to come together. So please keep that in mind when you- You're thinking about Rome and how they burned Christians, you know, to celebrate whatever they were celebr- celebrating, and the control that is over them by the black hats. Now, I don't wanna go down that rabbit hole, and I don't need to explain it to you, but you have to understand too, once again, change my verb, verbage, look into the,↗

4:04:32Speaker 27reality that those black hats are- Jews, but they claim to be, Catholics. Now, take that, that small little bit of maybe, you know, I'm crazy, but look who the Catholics are in our politics. Look who they have aligned themselves, meaning Israel, to propagate all this dispensationalism of religion through the evangelical churches. Everything is connected And I'm threading it all together, and it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it's the more, the more I go down this truth, I'm not calling it a rabbit hole anymore, because once you see it, you can't unsee it. So I understand, Mindy, I see you in Albert spaces, but I needed to voice that I don't need to defend Albert. He can defend himself, but what I do, will say, is that we all, all, including myself, can go off sometimes when we get agitated because hearing all of this stuff on these spaces, I even go into general spaces, but it doesn't make me a white supremacist. And this is the other thing people automatically think, "Oh, if they're, they're in that space and they..." May be this or they may be that. Bull, bull, bull.↗

4:05:55Speaker 27We're human beings trying to find answers. I get great information from the general space. Yeah, who's that down there? Yeah, I love this guy. You know, what's his name? Frank. Frank. He gives a lot of good information. And there's another guy I follow that's, you know, really connected to general, but he's a historian. He's an historian, and I learned a lot about history from him. So if you're not going into other spaces, you're missing out. Don't, don't give a rat's patootie who other people think about what spaces you're in, because why waste your time? Why waste your time with what people think? Do what you need to do. Do what you're called to do. Host spaces, don't host spaces. Talk, don't talk. I don't care. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, and I just, yeah, now I gotta drop 'cause I'm getting mad. Read,↗

4:06:48Speaker 28I wanna add, I don't like getting mad. If, if I can just add ten seconds to what she mentioned. Three of the issues Pope Leo the 14th has brought up recently, the first two are disheartening. We must resist this rise in antisemitism and this rise in nationalism. And my First thought was, "Are you fucking kidding me? These are the two things that are gonna get out of this mess, this tyranny we're under." But more recently, two weeks ago, he also said that, he called for an end, I put it in the pil-pil, nest above, pill below, the Pope called to an end of Orwellian anti-free speech laws. So, at least he's not on board with the Jewish censorship, thanks.↗

4:07:33@malleusigOr he's trying to put up a plausible facade.↗

4:07:36Speaker 28You think so? When they say,↗

4:07:38@malleusig"Listen, when they, when they say like, and they're not, they're not on board with Orwellian speech controls," they're talking about them. They're not talking about us. They're totally fine with us having Orwellian speech controls. What they're going to do is they're going to classify anything that pushes back on their agenda as Orwellian speech control and then work to get rid of it.↗

4:08:00Speaker 28I wouldn't be↗

4:08:01@malleusigagainst, and↗

4:08:01Ian Malcolmspeaking of Orwellian speech patrol or control, I'm gonna throw up into the net. Normally don't do this with my, with my content. I'm gonna throw up into the net though, because I think everybody should take a look at this. This just came out thirty minutes ago from Doge Designer, which Elon Musk has reshared. a new feature on X. X now puts clear warnings on posts that use fake or edited visuals to trick people. It'll make it harder for legacy media groups to spread misleading clips or pictures. Oh, really? Or maybe, I don't know, maybe, just maybe,↗

4:08:46Ian MalcolmX with its Jewish head of product will have Grok reference its pro-Jewish media outlets and, let's say, references. To determine what is or isn't truth, isn't real statistics, real data, to basically just determine that anything that is inconvenient for the group that's in control not only is suppressed and censored and pushed to the far reaches of the internet, but it also gets a label saying this is misinformation! So that if you say anything that runs contrary to this machine, that they will just further try to embarrass, humiliate, or discredit the things that we say. I wonder if that's the intent of this labeling system, and isn't it just gaslighting for them to suggest that this is being done to make sure that the mainstream media doesn't get to, manipulate the minds of the masses? Just another joke. This is a great example. Once you recognize Jewish supremacy, the Jewish question, the Jewish ownership of all of these different pieces of tech and the media and all this other stuff, you're able to look at something like this big, proud announcement from Elon Musk, and you can see straight through the lie, as transparent as a crystal clear pane of glass. It's so obvious, and it's so infuriating. They're going to-- and for what it's worth, just on this subject. I see a lot of people running to Upscroll, I think it's called, running away from TikTok, just bought by Larry Ellison and, the Oracle operation. Well, don't forget that Upscroll, the founder, came from Oracle. Sir Eschewar did a really interesting little piece on him. Not saying that people shouldn't go there. Perhaps they should, I don't know. I would just, let's think, proceed with caution as we always should. And isn't it curious that this is happening while not only the TikTok, implosion, as people are jettisoning themselves, because apparently if you type the term Epstein, you get your account locked. What an utter joke. It's almost as if, oh, I don't know, TikTok was purchased without any interest in the monetary ramifications of that. I wonder if that is, the case. Just another financial weaponization against the truth, that's what that was. They don't care if it makes money, they don't need it to make money. None of this is about money, it's all about just controlling everybody. But as people are fleeing TikTok, they're gonna run to this new platform, prospectively. Just consider that it could be a data collection act, effort. I think it's a reasonable suggestion that that might be, let's say, behind that endeavor. But either way If you do go there, just recognize that you're going to yet another silo. The reason they had to have TikTok is because it had something like two billion users. The reason they let us play around on X, even though they suppress and censor us, is 'cause it has maybe twenty-five percent that audience. If you go to upscroll, you're going to maybe twenty-five percent of that audience, of, of X's audience, and you're not even anywhere near that. It's probably two percent. And so just know, d-d-in your mind, until that network gets bigger and more prominent and more users and a critical mass, if you go there and just stay there, you will probably find yourself severed from being able to influence the people that we actually need to win over, which are the moderates. That's what this whole thing is probably trying to do, to get you to say, "You know what? X is too centered, I'm gonna go over here, I'm gonna take my ball and go home." Because they want you to get away from the mainstream conversation. That's why they can't have us having these discussions on YouTube, on Instagram, on Facebook. That's why they have us on X. That's why they want us on another platform, whether it's either out on Rumble or whatever that other one is that Andrew Torba has, Gab. Right? They want us going to these far reaches to become less and less relevant. And so if you do go there, enjoy it, I fully support it, if you find that to be a safe and secure thing to do, but just remember that whatever you're getting off those platforms, you need to take as Best you can, to as many people as you can. So don't relegate yourself to the basements of some smaller application, and if you do, again, just try to make sure you're also doing your part either here or in your local community or anywhere else. So, sorry for that rant, but I just wanted to try to throw that out there. Let's go to Gen Z Patriot, and then we will close up the space.↗

4:13:14Speaker 29Yeah, I just wanted to say, kind of as a closing remark, I thought, you know, Rabbi and- Oliver had great things to say, obviously David had, you know, a lot of great things to say, but Ian, the, the way you kinda just went on that rant towards the end, I think it was very powerful in a sense that I think a lot of us are feeling, you know, blatantly overwhelmed with everything that's going on with mass immigration, and we're very angry, and we don't really know what to do with it. But I think if someone doesn't go and clip it, I'll, I'll go do it. But I, I don't know, that was one of the more profound rants I've heard from you about the, you know, quote-unquote, like European heritage and, and, and things like that, and us, you know, having a right to exist,↗

4:14:00Speaker 29Can↗

4:14:00@malleusigwe call it a soliloquy instead of a rant?↗

4:14:03Speaker 29Yeah, soliloquy. There you go. But no, I think a lot of times, like, you know, especially like people my generation or, you know, maybe the one, maybe slightly above, we get a little angry and it becomes, I think some people call it like low brow, right? And I think the way that you maybe phrase a lot of those, you know,↗

4:14:20Speaker 29the way you said a lot of it, I think is gonna resonate with more people, and I think if more people can learn how to say Instead of how maybe some people are going about it from an anger perspective would be very powerful. So I just wanted to give you tons of flowers for that, soliloquy, David. but yeah, dude, kudos to you, and hopefully someone clips that. If not, I'll go do it, 'cause I think it needs to be kind of shared around to maybe some of my generation of, "Hey, this is how we can go about it, "because it's, at the end of the day, it's gonna be more powerful and it's gonna reach more people↗

4:14:58Ian MalcolmWildest part is realizing how demoralized so many are, right? And then that is the point of, of all of this, of the propaganda, of the political correctness. It is to get you. Yuriy Besmanov talked about this extensively, right? Political correctness is the most dangerous weapon in the ideological war, because what it does is it doesn't just lie to you It's one thing to have a lie, because once you see the lie and you're able to see the truth, you know that it's a lie and you ignore the liar. But what political correctness does that is so vile, is that it normalizes the lie in a way that subverts your ability not only to recognize that it's a lie, but to be so accustomed to being slapped on the wrist for saying the truth. That you stop speaking the truth, and then because you stop speaking it, you stop considering speaking it, and then soon enough, you stop considering it all.↗

4:15:57Ian MalcolmAnd when it comes to race realism, yes, it's uncomfortable to say that the races are different and that they're gonna have different capabilities, different strengths, different weaknesses, whether that's across athleticism, height, weight, whatever. Intellect is a very uncomfortable one. But there are differences. We know that those differences exist, and we can see them play out in the world around us. Are there, let's say, cultural, culturally constructed realities within crime statistics? Yes. Black individuals growing up in the inner cities that are flooded with drugs, that have lots of poverty, that have lots of degenerate music and cultural influences being thrown at them, yes. That is going to exacerbate crime. But there's also higher levels of crime in the wealthiest of black communities than there are of equivalently wealthy white communities, and in fact, the richest bracket of blacks in America commit more violent crime than the poorest bracket of whites. Why is that? Perhaps it might be due to things around emotional regulation, the ability to con-contemplate both short, mid, and long-term consequences to actions. One of the ways I try to think through this one, right? You see, you're driving down the road, bloop bloop, police lights behind you. You pull to the side of the road. Why? Because if you try to run away or drive away, you're gonna make the problem far worse. People with low impulse control see that take place, they can't process that. All they can think is fight or flight, get away, I don't wanna be caught, I don't wanna have to deal with the ticket. So they slam on the gas. That's what an impulsive person's gonna do. That's what a younger person would be more likely to do than an older person. It doesn't make me an ageist for suggesting that. That's just the reality. But then when we apply those realities to, for example, the races, people get really upset. Jordan Peterson talked about this. He said one of the most uncomfortable things about discussing race realism is the recognition that we're not all the same, which flies in the face of all of the programming, the propaganda. But that woke programming and propaganda, we all agree, is crazy. We recognize all of it's insane. We look at the person who wants to convert themselves or pervert themselves into a cat, and they're convinced I'm gonna staple some ears, I'm gonna crawl around, and you're gonna call me a cat from now on because I identify as one. We call that crazy. We called trans literally crazy just thirty or forty years ago. People were institutionalized for that. Go ask Croc, it'll tell you. They were put in mental institutions if they identified as a different gender. We recognize all these things are crazy, and yet when it comes to race realism, when it comes to genetics, when it comes to things like IQ,↗

4:18:55Ian Malcolmwe just throw that out with all the rest of the bathwater somehow. Nope, that's also, that's completely wrong, even though it was accepted just a couple years ago. So all the woke stuff is out the window, but this piece, now we're gonna keep that one 'cause it makes me feel better. And that's what I think a lot of this has to do with.↗

4:19:12Ian MalcolmThat there are unfortunately differences that people don't like to accept, they don't like to acknowledge, and it makes them perhaps insecure or feel lesser than. But the truth of the matter is, you shouldn't. This is the white pill of this. Right? There's nothing more attractive than a confident person, and you can be confident whether you're four feet or five feet or six feet or eight feet tall. You know what? The person that's seven feet tall is probably far more insecure than the person that's five foot eight.↗

4:19:39Ian MalcolmA lot of short people feel insecure about their height. I guarantee you that incredibly tall person feels really insecure about their height, because unless they're on a basketball court, everywhere they go, people are staring at them. They can't buy clothes that fit them. They're treated as an outcast. And that's where a lot of this comes from, I believe. Is that discomfort, that insecurity that people have, and we should all have it, 'cause all of us have flaws, we all have shortcomings, we all have failures. White people perhaps don't have as good rhythm as blacks. Maybe there's something to that. White men can't jump, maybe there's some truth to that. Fast twitch muscle, you know what? Maybe. It's probably pretty reasonable, actually.↗

4:20:20Ian MalcolmBut doesn't mean that if you're white, you have to be embarrassed or ashamed or hate yourself 'cause you might not have a genetic predisposition to be a great Michael Jackson-caliber dancer or a Michael Jordan-caliber basketball player. You can be confident in other things. But our society has coddled everyone to the point that if they're not treated the same as everybody else, oh no No, what was me?↗

4:20:43Speaker 29And Ian, the point you brought up about if, if none of us are diverse, if everything looks like New York City, then that's, that goes against diversity. I thought that was a really good point too.↗

4:20:54Ian MalcolmOf, of course. And that's what's crazy. Is this American imperialism, which is essentially just Jewish supremacy. They're exporting America to the rest of the world because they want the rest of the world to become America, which is enslaved under this supremacy. They want America to use its military to blow up anything and everything that opposes it, while using its economy to outsource and export all of its lifestyles. That's why they try to jam into the Middle East all the LGBT ideology. That's why there's a Starbucks and a Marriott on every street corner. They want the-- they, they want to terraform the planet to look like New York City. It will be one big global Gotham. And it will be miserable for everyone. You will lose your tether to everything that you came from, everything that made you beautiful. You won't be attached to the religion of yesterday, and with that goes the cathedrals that you might be able to visit tomorrow. They wanna take away all that is beautiful, all that is intelligent, all that is charming and romantic. They want you reduced to nothingness. If anybody doesn't recognize that, just look at the average piece of entertainment of art. Go walk into a gallery and be demoralized that you're supposed to celebrate a banana in a picture frame next to a urinal with a crucifix upside down, sponsored by the Guggenheim, yes, Jews.↗

4:22:25Ian MalcolmWhy is that? Why is it offensive to suggest that we're going in the wrong direction? And why is the people that oppose Jewish supremacy are totally fine with the Kluger plan, which is one of the most fundamental pieces of it? What does that say about those individuals? I don't have anything against any of the races. I have something against psychopaths, genocidal individuals, and liars. But you're genocidal if you support the Kluger plan. And I don't support it for anybody. If white Westerners were going to Africa and taking over all the land and brainwashing all the people to hate themselves, I'd be in opposition to it. And in some ways, perhaps it is happening, because you've got individuals in Africa that are cheering on, "Kill the boar, kill the white people." You know what that same guy said? "We must oppose antisemitism." Who do you think funds him, people? Wake up!↗

4:23:22Ian MalcolmThese people hate you. At the end of the day, they loathe your society, and it's not just the skin color, although there is something perhaps that you could go through there. I think the thing that they hate are the idealisms that white Western culture constructed that are presently supported by lots of people. Again, this isn't everything war, it is us, the collective us. It's not about white supremacy, it's about the opposition of Jewish supremacy, which wants to get rid of the Western white world, and inherent in that is irrefutably the genocide of the white race.↗

4:23:59Ian MalcolmIf you support that, that's fine, you do you. I think that's crazy, but you're entitled to your opinions, as asinine as they may be. But what we won't allow is individuals to suggest that every race gets to take pride in their people and their history and their museums, but that if you're white, you should be embarrassed and ashamed. You should be apologetic.↗

4:24:21Ian MalcolmAnd that is the most wild piece about this. The more you demand that, to the Jews that are in charge of a lot of this nonsense, the more you demand that of the whites in the world, the more you are inevitably constructing a backlash of more and more epic proportions. This will not go on forever. We won't go silently into the night.↗

4:24:45Ian MalcolmThis is going to end. And the longer they allow it to fester, the worse it's going to be when that spirit is finally rejuvenated. And I can promise to anybody that is out there, if you feel like you've been demoralized, if you feel like you've lived a life where you've been the villain at every turn from the media, then just know that that is-- I don't curse a lot, that's bullshit. The people that are jamming this down your throats do it to demoralize you, to make you accepting of your world going to hell in a handbasket. That's why they do it, so that you roll over and you say, "You're right, take my freedom, take my country, take my liberties." Who am I to oppose you? My people are the worst. No, they're not. They're the ones that put in place the very luxuries that these people are trying to strip from you. The ones that they hate and loathe because they demand your subservience, your intellectual enslavement, and your bodily enslavement to this system. It's one thing to be an economic slave, it's another to be a mental one. We don't have to tolerate the latter. So wake up, open your eyes, speak the truth, stand up straight, put your shoulders back, and tell anybody and everybody around you to do exactly the same. Every single time one of these individuals comes out effeminately, hands limp wrists with the blue hair, "Hi, I'm, I'm Tony!",↗

4:26:16Ian Malcolmthe people upstairs, the ones in charge, they smile. The moment masculine men grab their fortitude and say, "I am done with this, I'm going to speak confidently, my people are awesome," they shrivel, they shriek, they cry out, they demand that we're bigots for doing it, no more. You don't get to, to suggest that we are required to literally just roll over. That's not going to happen. And so the moment that this takes place, it's going to be a beautiful tomorrow, and I promise to everybody that hero in Australia who got up on a stage, he spoke his mind, he said, "I think there's a problem with Jewish supremacy," and then he got handcuffed walking off the stage on Australia Day, celebrating their nation.↗

4:27:05Ian MalcolmWhat do you think happened to the thousands of people who watched that take place? The tens of thousands who saw it take place on social media. You think they're getting the picture? You think they're just gonna roll over? They're not. We are going to stand up, we are going to rise up, we are going to renew from the ashes of the inferno of this hellscape that is Jewish supremacy, and when we do, it will be spectacular. That's why I love the iconography of the phoenix. Something has to come from these ashes. It will burn into the sky in a brilliant light that we can't quite comprehend or remotely define, but when we witness it, it will be spectacular. You are all spectacular for being in here. I don't care if you think I'm crazy, if you think I'm right, wrong, otherwise, I'm just glad that you're all here. I'm humbled by all of you for joining us in this conversation. I wanna thank everybody, especially big shout out to Mr. Oliver, he is an absolute hero. The man spent six months in prison in Germany for discussing Jewish supremacy. An individual who'd written multiple books, he had been on air on multiple broadcasts, very highly respected and regarded journalist and author, imprisoned for merely talking the truth.↗

4:28:22Ian MalcolmThat individual was in here, I'm so humbled by it. I was really pleased with his presentation, it was spectacular. I wanna thank everybody that contributed to the conversation, as always, Miss Joanne for co-hosting. I wanna thank all of you, Colin, Mr. David, Gen Z, so many others that came through. Uncensored, you're always a hero, my friend, and, and so much love to you and your family. And so look, we are all going to win. I don't know what it's gonna look like, and if these people continue suggesting that Well then, let 'em say whatever they want. At the end of the day, let 'em be. Let 'em speak their piece. We're gonna continue trying to deal with the actual issue that's bringing everything down, and in doing so, try to make the world a better place for you, for me, for the entire human race. There are people dying, but if you care enough for the living, make it a better place for you And for me. Michael Jackson, wherever you are in the world, you spoke to power. You said, "Kick me, you know what?↗

4:29:24Ian Malcolmwhat was the rest of it? Kill me, kill me, kill me." There it is, there's the one. Is a hero. That guy spoke to power. And, and we're gonna continue doing so too. Uncensored, Colin, you guys are always the absolute best. Thank you for picking up that reference. And, and with that, Gen Z, David, Colin, Uncensored, can somebody quote, The Truman Show? 'Cause we said that we'd end the space with it, but I see that we lost, this and that, and I don't remember the exact quote. If anybody has it, please throw it out there, and then we'll close out the space. Yeah. I don't. This sounds↗

4:30:00@malleusiggood night, good evening, and good morning, right? Isn't it? Or something? Good morning. We missed↗

4:30:07Ian Malcolmthe morning. I don't know. I don't know. Well, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. No, wait, wait, that's it. Good morning, good evening, and good night.↗