Culture Wars & Neo-Bolsheviks -

0:48@icon_libraGood evening, mister. Hello, can you guys hear me?↗

0:54Ian MalcolmWe sure can. I was waiting for, Miss Joanne to get up here, excited to, kick off the conversation. I apologize for being behind schedule. I feel like, I tried to run things as organized as the, the bus routes. And, well, I suppose those aren't very punctual, perhaps. and I certainly wasn't on this one. So, apologies to everybody, but excited for the, the discourse that we're going to have here. and due to running just a little bit behind I didn't have a song intro. Joanne, I apologize. I will line up two for the space tomorrow to make sure that we, we get that situated, we make up for it.↗

1:34Speaker 1I hope you didn't forget me, and, I just wanted to point out that I have, done a mission for my mother tonight to listen to the French Canadian news to understand how they saw and what they are saying about the shooting today, because I'm in Montreal.↗

1:54Speaker 1An Islamist police officer died protecting a Jew. And they blamed Islamists for the terror attack, for a terror attack where, when it's not even about that.↗

2:09Ian MalcolmWell, we can certainly go into that, but we'll, we'll do so after the initial, discourse here with, with AVR. I wanna make sure that he gets a chance to share. You↗

2:18@icon_libracan just call me AV.↗

2:19Ian MalcolmTo AV, okay, wonderful. to, to make sure that we get a chance for him to share his thoughts on, on the world here. And, leading up to it, the thing that I would say just first and foremost, I wanna check in with the, the incomparable co-hostess with the, hostess, Miss Joanne, how is everything on your end before we launch into this discourse here?↗

2:40@joann_marieHey! And thank you so much for hosting. It's fine. I, I love our little dynamic that we have of songs, but you'll, I, I'm sure you'll make it up, tomorrow or, yeah, it's tomorrow, I think. And thank you so much for having me. I'm really looking forward to this space. And everybody, please repost this space for Loey and and Aby and Macavelli and everybody. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And just really happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me.↗

3:11Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And speaking of spaces, I guess I should, plug, tomorrow's space. I needed to follow up with him. I set this up about three weeks ago. Very excited, to be speaking with E. Michael Jones, tomorrow. gonna be discussing essentially the concept of a modern crusade, not advocating for violence, rather just a spiritual one in rejection of all the craziness of the world around us, which this actually will serve as a nice- let's say precursor, to that, because inherent in that discourse is the rejection of a lot of the social ills that we see all around us, right? And we see this brewing culture war, to Machiavelli's point, we'll certainly have to talk about this after this initial chat with AV, about all the, let's say, the violence that we are seeing at every turn. It seems like the usual suspects highlighting all of the, the violence that is being commit against whites we see o-obviously about the very real problem that are the Muslim grooming gangs, and we can debate the, let's, let's say the use of those terms, but what we certainly know is that there's been mass migration that's been forced on the West, that there's been massive amounts of crime that have been brought into the communities of once peaceful, largely white Christian towns, and that in that process, we're also of course seeing the eruption of a lot of infighting, a lot of animus, in the case of Ireland, a lot of disdain And I think that's perfectly reasonable. Let's not forget the fact that the Irish have basically watched as some of their own cities have become almost fifty plus percent migrant over the course of just a couple years, right? These are parts of the world that were ninety nine percent white, largely Christian, almost entirely Irish people, right? So instead of, McGeese, right? And, O'Hullahans, now you've got, Abba Akbar or you- We've got, you know, chikawaka waka buck buck buck that might have come from Africa, and I apologize, I don't know the specific names there. But nonetheless, these are people that are foreign, foreigners from foreign lands, they might as well be aliens, right? and, and so we need to be honest about these things, and, and that is a intentional construction of conflict, is being done by the usual suspects for the explicit purpose of creating all of the chaos, because the chaos is the life Ladder, right? And the thing that they want to climb up is further totalitarianism. So they're gonna push these culture wars on everybody, and that infighting that we're seeing amongst white, black, migrant, citizen, men, woman, straight, gay, these are all constructs of this machine for the benefit of their concentration of control. So we're gonna go to AV and kinda walk through some of his thoughts, his ideas on this subject. It'll be looked at primarily from From an American perspective, when it comes to culture, but let's be real, at this point, the monolithic culture that is American or Western culture, it's being pushed on the entirety of the planet. That's why you have a Starbucks, a McDonald's, and a Marriott on every street corner. so that being said, one thing I, I did wanna check in as well, I saw that we also had the wonderful Mr. David Niche. I wanna welcome him up to the, the platform, welcome him to the panel. And, and David, so given that AV is gonna be I, I, I wonder if you just wanted to add any thoughts on the subject before we kinda dive into his ideas here.↗

6:49Speaker 2I'm sorry, can you hear me okay?↗

6:51Ian MalcolmWe sure can, my friend.↗

6:52Speaker 2Well, I would say this, a big part of the culture war is making you forget, right? It's, you know, one of the, one of the tricks of the people that raging the, are engaging the, the culture war is to get you to forget how beautiful your culture was. You know, when I hear people call themselves conservatives, I always am, am inclined to ask them, "What are you trying to conserve?" There are things that are lost or things that have gone by. That are much more beautiful, vastly superior culturally than exist now. So just to level set, I just wanted to add that, but I'm looking forward to listening.↗

7:27Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And, and on this idea of the culture wars, I just wanted to add and give credit to, Bloody Goy, that's the username, and he put into the purple pill, "Hey, chat, it's nice to be here. Fun fact, Twitter and Grok think that the host of this space is worse than Israel, Israel's Security Minister, that's Ben Gavir, a literal, and I'm not gonna use that word, but let's just say, very, very bad things, and therefore deserves to be deboosted and silenced. that is the suggestion directly off of Grok. Deboost level, heavy reply deboost plus distribution throttling on Ben Gavir, who some would suggest literally celebrated genocide. No deboosting at all. According to this thing, because apparently his content is clean and normal despite the fact that he's called for all kinds of terrible things, right? So, so we see this, and I added in as a, a little comment, because look, there's the, the, the black, the white fighting, there's the migrant citizen fighting, the men, women, gay, straight, there's also the Jew, Gentile fighting. Isn't it very curious though that that, at every turn, unlike all the other renditions, they will take literal police body cam footage of a- White child who's just been stabbed, allowing to bleed out after being stabbed by a migrant, right? While basically ignoring the pleas of the white individual because supposedly they were, quote unquote, racist, right? They will put that all over the media to create this infighting. It doesn't mean, oh, by the way, that that individual that did the stabbing shouldn't immediately be arrested and either put through the, of course, legal system, but at the conclusion of it, I don't know what the Reasonable conclusion would be, if not either, some kind of capital punishment and/or the coupling of whatever is the punishment with an immediate deportation once that punishment has been sentenced and served, right? I say this because when it comes to the conflict of this other group, well, you try and even bring attention to these issues, you get shadow banned, censored, throttled, right? This is just the way of the world. but that being said, it's a big kind of precursor, a big prologue. and so, Mr. AV would welcome your Thoughts on the subject, the culture war, I know that's a, a conversation that you wanted to talk about, very curious for your thoughts, but I'd, I'd love to start with just an introduction to yourself, some of the things that you find meaningful and interesting, and how you got onto this platform, into these conversations, and, and what you find your passion.↗

10:03@icon_libraYeah. So my name is The AV Show, or you can call me The AV Report. You can follow me on Instagram, Facebook, at the AV Report. I just got demonetized on Facebook because- Of them. So yeah, yeah, and I got into this because I started debating about three or four years ago. I got really big on TikTok, I was debating like Parker and Dean and all them, but then the left colluded together and got me banned off of TikTok, so I went from having two hundred thousand followers to being completely unknown, to having to like rebuild from scratch. And then I recently just debated Dean, Dean and Parker again, I believe, a couple of days ago. And now I know why they've been keeping me away from their golden boys, 'cause I know exactly what they are, and this is what I wanted to talk to you guys today.↗

10:55@icon_libraWhat they are doing is building the modern day Bolshevik army, and not just in America, but globally, okay? And I, and I posted in the replies the warning signs of the new Bolshevik, and the reason why I'm so- Passionate about this is because if you don't see the warning signs, if you don't see what is happening here, we're not only gonna lose America, we're gonna lose the entire globe to them. And by say, when I say them, I think we all know who I'm talking about. But anyways, I want you guys to remember when we're looking at Bolshevik propaganda↗

11:39@icon_libraThey used many things like bi- binary oppressor versus oppressed framing. So instead of the bourgeoisie and capitalist, the modern day Bolshevik, they just use, whiteness, versus people of color. And they also say things like we're on stolen land, and they use decolonization rhetoric that delegitimizes, that delegitim- delegitimizes, I can't even say it, delegitimizes,↗

12:09Ian Malcolmdelegitimizes↗

12:10@icon_libraour- our nation They're trying to give us a collective guilt that makes us seem like we don't have a right to our own land. So again, if you look at the replies in our own space, I give you the warning signs to look at, and when I debated Dean, and when I debated Parker, and when I tried to debate, Matt, I believe his name is Matt Ogee, he almost has four hundred thousand, followers on Instagram, he ran because he knew that I would expose him as the modern-day Bolshevik.↗

12:41@icon_libraBut when you look at these like different, like modern-day scenarios, like let's say the Austin Metcalf versus Carmelo Anthony situation or the Charlie Kirk situation, and you ask yourself, "Why do I see people cheering at Charlie Kirk dying? Why do I see people thinking this is okay?" What you don't realize is that they have created a Bolshevik army around you, where they don't see you as a human any anymore. They have dehumanized you and put you in the oppressor class. So whatever they do to you is just liberation. So Charlie Kirk, when they saw him get executed on live TV, they didn't see a human get murdered. They didn't see a fellow commentator get murdered. They saw their oppressor. Get murdered. That's why they cheered. Because they've all been radicalized to become terrorists.↗

13:38@icon_libraAnd I feel like I've literally cracked the code when, when you look at like the Austin Metcalf thing, when you look at the, Carmelo Anthony thing, the reason why you see like the Black Lives Matter and you see all these people supporting Carmelo Anthony, and you see all these people just falling in on different, sides of the aisle. It's because they've all fallen into the neolatinate, framework of oppressor versus oppressed,↗

14:05@icon_libraand they believe that they can do whatever they want to us, white people. And, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much the intro of what I wanted to give you guys. I mean, I can go into deeper as to why I believe, why I b-believe this, but that's the intro about me.↗

14:23Ian MalcolmNo, that's, that's really, really helpful. And I, I, I guess maybe the good way to, I suppose start with this is why don't we compare, contrast, the, let's say the ingredients of, so the Bolsheviks of yesteryear to what you're seeing today. Let, let, let's kind of pick apart what those key ingredients were and how there are some, some very striking similarities between the two. And then what we can do is to basically play through, well, what was the outcome of that Bolshevik revolution? what were the consequences of, of, for example, the heritage, Russians? And then, what you would expect to see in the present in the West if in fact not only is our prediction correct, but if it plays out the, the same way that that revolution did? So would, would you mind kind of walking through some of those ingredients and just laying that out? I think you're exactly right about the oppressor and the oppressed, of course.↗

15:16@icon_libraSo one of the main ingredients is if you look at someone like Hassan Piker, what does he always call for? Revolution. It's literally, I believe it's like the last video that I posted on my Twitter where he's literally saying, "Guys, if we keep talking about this woke stuff, we're never going to get our revolution." And that's one of the main things the Bolsheviks wanted was the revolution. So again, they want to demonize and they want to scapegoat and they want to designate malice to their enemies, and they want to consider themselves like in a vanguard role as the Intellect as the activists and put themselves in academia and say that they are leading the revolution. So when they put themselves in this bubble and say, "Oh, I can't talk to you, you're problematic," "Oh, I can't talk to you because you are below me, you're filth, you are disgusting and problematic," they are pretty much saying, "Hey, we're the vanguard, vanguards of discourse, and what you're saying is vile, disgusting, and what you can discuss is only okay is if, if we say it's okay." So they're acting like the↗

16:24@icon_libraOf, of like the intellect, the activists, and the academia, and we saw, saw that a lot, I believe back in twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, when people like Hassan was saying like, "He's for hate speech laws, he's for, censorship." He, he wants to be able to shut people down and say, "Oh, you can't say this, you can't say that, you can't question his narrative." So not only is he trying to push for a revolution, but he also wants to shut down any sort of dissent, and that's what they also did, in Russia.↗

16:57@icon_libraAnd then they also have slogans. So, and these slogans are associated with guilt and shame. So when they say things like, "America is on stolen land," what does that mean? That just means that everything that we have and know is illegitimate. So if you hear anyone say, "You're on stolen land," that's a warning sign you're talking to a New Age Bolshevik and someone who's been indoctrinated. By this Bolshevik, neo-Marxist framework, and I say there's no point to even argue about them, argue with them about the Constitution or about Donald Trump or about anything, because what they're saying to you is that our country doesn't even have the right to exist. If you say we're on stolen land, then you're saying I need to give up my house, my car, everything that I care about Because you believe that somehow white European conquest doesn't count,↗

17:54@icon_librabut somehow some way, if you look over in the Middle East, all the Muslim conquest that counts, the Mongolians, the Asians, their conquest counts, how come their land is legitimate but our land is illegitimate? How come? In Saudi Arabia, they're not on stolen land. How come in Japan, they're not on stolen land? You know what I mean? So you gotta look for these slogans that they're just trying to guilt and say, "Your country, it's illegitimate," or "You are guilty by association." Like, let's say, even if you're a quote-unquote good white person, they still say you have white privilege.↗

18:31@icon_libraThat, that's one of their slogans, you have white-↗

18:33Speaker 2That was actually the term that was coming to mind. When you were talking, was the, the other terminological trick is to invert the meaning of entitlement and privilege, right? So entitlements basically, which by definition are privi-privileges, right? You're saying you're entitled to the effort of another person, you're entitled to the work and the product of another person. He worked for it, but by the guilt, the very guilt to which you alluded, the guilt foisted upon us illegitimately, then all of a sudden They are entitled to what it is that we produce. Well, what do we call this? What is the other word for this? It's slavery, that's what that is. Now, juxtapose that into the inevitable word that follows, again, a terminological trick, is the idea of privilege↗

19:19Speaker 2You know, I, I, when people say, "Well, white privilege," I'm like, "Explain to me what that is." That is the privilege you're saying that simply by living the community and the high trust that we have with one another, in a free society, that we benefit from that because we get along together, we function well as, as a culture, that somehow that is a privilege. So the privilege is simply the result of being free, and the entitlement is the slavery that comes from the guilt of that privilege. So this is all, of course, and this is all,↗

19:50@icon_libraRight. If you think about it from the Bolshevik lens or the communist lens, the reason why they say you have white, white privilege is because they see you as an oppressor. They are dehumanizing you even more and say, "It doesn't matter what you've done, doesn't matter if you're a good white liberal and you try to stand up for people of color, the oppressed people, you are still by your nature guilty. You are guilty, and you have white privilege." And by definition, you are of the oppressor class. So it doesn't matter what you do, you have the original sin of being white, you have the original sin of this privilege of your skin color. That's what that means. So anytime you hear those, those buzzwords, stolen land, white privilege, you're talking to a modern-day Bolshevik. So these are, like, when you ask for slogans Like these are some of the slogans you talk about. And another thing that I also want you guys to question is, they always say, "Do you denounce Nazism? Do you denounce Nazi-Nazism?" How come no one ever asks, "Do you denounce Bolshevism?" How come no one ever says, "How come you don't denounce Communism?" Because listen, think about it.↗

20:59Speaker 1Or, or, Jewish supremacy.↗

21:01@icon_libraRight. I mean, that it's an ex-↗

21:02Speaker 1Or Jews invading Islam.↗

21:04@icon_libraRight. Or, right. I mean, it's an extension of, of all that. I mean, so yeah. 'Cause if you think about it, communism, Bolshevism, has taken out four times more than Nazism ever did. Because, Bolshevism took out sixty-five million, and if you believe the narrative of Nazism, what was it? Six million? Or was it, it was more than that, right? The official narrative was more than six million, correct? But it wasn't close to sixty-five million.↗

21:35Speaker 3The official narrative was six million Jews, eleven million total.↗

21:38@icon_libraRight. So that, so that would have been what? Six times more. So again- At least,↗

21:44Speaker 4yeah.↗

21:45@icon_libraSo, so again, so if you believe the official narrative, let's say, let's say you believe the official narrative, you don't question it? Official narrative, eleven million Nazism, and then Bolshevism, sixty-five million white Christians genocided. How come they don't deny that? How come they don't say, "This is wrong"? How come they don't say, "You're a Bolshevik"? How come that isn't- Yeah, and they don't↗

22:11Ian Malcolmteach about it.↗

22:13@icon_libraExactly. You wanna know why? Because we are ran by Bolsheviks. And they push Bolshevik, propaganda on us all the time, and I know you can say "them," and I know that we're talking about them, but I'm just trying to say that when-- I'm, I'm just trying to give people a framework and signs to look for, when you're talking to these new neoliberals, like Dean or Parker or fill in the blank, any of these leftists, they have no moral foundation. And when you talk to them, they're just a communist at the end of the day.↗

22:50@icon_libraSo, I mean, I, I can keep going, but yeah. So w-when you're talking about slogans or anything like that, I will say↗

22:56Speaker 2this. I began my cutting my teeth in, in the debate world on Ivy League campuses debating Marxists. So I had an open standing offer for any Marxist to meet me in a commons area in front of other people and debate them. And I categorized them into three separate groups. And all of these people are malevolent, and all of them are-- they definitely begrudge humanity. The first is the sophist, and that is the one that is trying to tell you that everything is too complicated and leave the thinking to me. Now, where does he get this? From the Communist Manifesto. Very blithely, they snuck in the words for the intellectuals, which makes me laugh every time I read it, because though they're like, wait a second, now I forgot to add something. Oh yeah, we're the smart people, we get to run everything, so let me↗

23:43Speaker 2Telling you that you're just, this is too complicated. So to them, I always respond when they say it's more complicated than that. You just tell me what it is that you're having trouble with, and I'll be glad to explain it to you. So I make sure that I'm the one doing the talking down. The second one is the priest. The priest is the one who's, who uses the term law of the jungle, that you have no moral sensibility. The rest of us, of course, need a law of the cage because we lack morality. These are the people that Live or die, and it's all the things you just mentioned, they'd use all that methodology in order to accomplish that. And of course, the last one is the slave. So the sophist, the priest, and the slave. The slave is the one who wants a master, he wants to be told what to do, the dirty little lie of communism, and he's gonna get something more out of the pot than he puts in, and of course, that's what he wants. He wants a cheap way out, Bastiat had it right. He↗

24:37Speaker 2plunder is easier than, than, plunder So if you, it hel- I think it helps to categorize them in those three ways and know who you're talking to, and all three of them are misanthropic. They don't like people. In fact, they really, really hate them. And of course, if you let them rule, then we know the inevitable consequence. So my recommendation for everybody from a moral standpoint, especially where the subject is hand culture wars, never, ever play defense. Never do that, because when they put you on the defense, they're as- they're claiming the moral high ground, which they clearly have no↗

25:14@joann_marieI would have loved to see those debates, David.↗

25:17Speaker 2I mean, I will tell you, I never lost one, and I would have them say things like, "I've had my last debate on Marxism," and I would respond, "I can see why."↗

25:30Ian MalcolmWell, and really quickly, this is actually very curious, David. and I say that I, I really like the way that you broke down those three classes, and what I would love to do with AV is, is to perhaps walk through how those classes would have presented themselves both in the era of the Bolsheviks in Russia and the revolution, and then what they might look like today. But before we do that, AV, if, if you wouldn't mind giving kind of your thought, there's lots of different people that would come up with lots of different, Definitions or descriptions on what Bolshevism actually even is, this kind of a political ideology, and a framework for it. But would you mind just for anybody in the audience that might have any confusion, just kind of walking through your understanding of what that means as a doctrine?↗

26:14@icon_libraSo it's kind of like a clac-- a classical Marxism mixed with a, like, a Western critical race theory with postmodern influences, with like intersectional identity politics. So, like that would be like a, that would be like a, complicated way to say it, but I would say just an easiest, an easy way to say the modern-day Bolshevik is anyone who utilizes the oppressor versus the oppressed framework to use that as an excuse to dismantle your country. That's what I would- That's what I would say. That would be my easiest definition.↗

26:55Ian MalcolmNo, it's a very reasonable one, and, and just to, to read, and I, I, I thought this would be interesting to do, right? straight off of Wikipedia, Bolshevism is a revolutionary socialist, Soviet Leninist, and later Marxist Leninist. Current of political thought and political regime associated with the formation of, this is the part that's interesting, a rigidly centralized, cohesive and disciplined party of social revolution, focused on overthrowing the existing capitalist state system, seizing power, and establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat. That's so feminist to re- to, to kind of look at that through that description, and then if you look at the United States today, while it might not have taken the political, I suppose, labeling, let's say, to match that of the Bolsheviks, if you look at modern political theater, it is essentially exactly that. It is fueling social animus and, and a revolutionary mindset, and you could, I suppose, apply that both to the left and also for what is- Worth to the right, they're just pushing different social unrest and different social revolution as a result, and I think the Trump administration, 'cause you can look at Biden and you can demonstrate countless examples of this, whether it's with LGBT or some of the other progressive social reform policy, but now with the Trump administration, you can go all the way back to the Bush administration, right? Essentially, all of these have been pushing more or less Zionism, right? That is a different revolution, it's a different subversion so I thought I would call that out, AV, I thought it'd be an interesting little aspect to add. Well, yeah, but↗

28:44@icon_libraZionism, Zionism and Bolshevism, they're all part of the same sort of octopus and the same tentacles. But yeah, I'm just coming at it from like, like I'm going at, 'cause I debate Bolshevics all the time, and Zionists, they don't ever wanna try to debate me 'cause I can just destroy them in like two seconds. But I, I'm, I'm starting to realize that a lot↗

29:09@icon_libraBig leftists on TikTok are just Bolsheviks and neo-Marxists trying to dismantle our country, and it's actually kind of scary. Like, they'll literally say stuff like They wanna dismantle whiteness, and what is, what is "quote unquote" whiteness to them? They think America was created on a foundation of "quote unquote" whiteness, white supremacy. So that is them basically saying they wanna destroy America, they wanna destroy the foundation of America, they wanna abolish America, decolonize America.↗

29:43@icon_libraand if you- One of the main things to look for is purity tests. Have you ever had a debate with someone and if you slightly disagree with anything that they say, they automatically call you problematic and boot you from the call or block you? 'Cause I've debated leftists and they're like, "Oh, you're racist," "Oh, you're problematic," and then they block me and just say, "Wow, like, I can't believe you." They have like this, this unmitigated purity test. And that's one of those things where it's like, this is a Bolshevik-style dynamic that you gotta look out for.↗

30:19@icon_libralike one of, one of the things is, where I lost, like, where I got blocked three years ago was, I wasn't a big supporter of, 'cause I'm a Christian I mean, how many of you guys in here are Christians? Give me a thumbs up if you're a Christian.↗

30:38Speaker 1I'm a Christian, man.↗

30:40@icon_libraYeah, so I'm a Christian. So when I would debate people like Parker or Dean or whatever, I would debate them, and whenever we'd get to the point of, I guess, homosexuality, that would- That would get them very upset because a lot of their base was, a lot of them were homosexuals, and they said, "Oh, what, you think attraction is a choice? Do you think attraction is a choice? Well, if you think attraction is a choice, then choose to be gay right now." And I said, "And I would, I would go a step further and say, no, attraction isn't a choice. You can't choose who you're attracted to, but you can choose to act on it." Because me,↗

31:19@icon_libralike I used to drink alcohol a lot, like ten years But then, like, let, let's say you're walking in the grocery store and you walk by a pack of alcohol, you can choose to act on it or you can choose to say, "You know what? I'm not going to partake in this sin." Just like the homosexual, you can choose to partake in that sin or you can choose not to. That's giving agency to yourself instead of giving agency to your sin and just say, "Oh, well, you know, if they're a homosexual, they just gotta give in to their sin." It's like, no, you have↗

31:51@icon_libraJust like, and I also give the binary of, of a heterosexual, because again, as me as a heterosexual, I just recently got divorced, but when I was married, married men, they do have, they do go against, temptation every day. Let's say you're at work and a beautiful woman comes up to you and says, "Hey, let me get your number, let's hang out," and let's say you're attracted to her. By the leftist point of view, you're like, "Oh, you're attracted to her, you might as well give in to your sin." No, you have a choice to act on it or to not act on, act on it, to give in to your sin and give her the number and commit infidelity and cheat on your wife, or you can say, "You know what? No, I'm gonna choose the godly option and say, 'You know what? I'm married.' Even though I think you're attractive, I think you're beautiful, I,↗

32:44@icon_libraI can't do it."↗

32:47Speaker 2And you can choose to repost the space. I hope everyone does. I love↗

32:53Ian Malcolmthat. Solid plug there, David. That was a good↗

32:55Speaker 2one. So yeah, the-- By the way, one, one thing I do want to mention, if we're on, on the subject of sexuality, we'd be remiss if we don't talk about the absolute genesis of Bolshevism. The absolute genesis of Bolshevism is nothing more than the bastard child resulting from the consummation of Moses Hess and Karl Marx. They knew each other. One was a Zionist, one was, one was a Marxist, and Of course, their intellectual compilation led to this horrible thing. That's its genesis for sure. If you read Moses Hess's letters, if you read Karl Marx, you can just tell that's where it came from, that's it, boom, bam, that's the end.↗

33:28@icon_libraRight. But I, I'm just putting an emphasis on it because if you're able to identify who's a Bolshevik, who's a neo-Marxist You can start telling people to quit listening to these people, because we are getting radical-- like, do you not realize that they're importing a whole bunch of people in here, just letting a whole bunch of people in, and then radicalizing terrorists all around us and building Bolshevik army, armies around us? Like, I don't know,↗

33:54Ian MalcolmAV, this is a really interesting one to tap into, and I think it's worth, really I'm harping on, and I say it just because, curiously, and I'll, I'll, I'll mention, Demi Akana or Kaya in the, in the purple pill mentioned, whiteness can mean even successful individuals that are non-white, anything having to do with success or the means of working in the capitalist system, making money off of it, you name it, whiteness has less to do with skin, but more with the notion of privilege. And I would just say on that, that, you even hear This within the black community when they will say to a black, student or, you know, fellow, that if they are speaking a certain way, if they sound eloquent, if they, you know, perhaps, enunciate themselves in a certain fashion, if they dress a certain way, perhaps they put on a tie, that they will be called, you know, they're acting white or something along those lines from people in their community, which is merely them trying to, let's say, properly present themselves. But, but this idea a-around the, The revolutionary spirit, right? If, if you wouldn't mind, AV, if you could give your sense on who was it that the Bolsheviks appealed to, that they built the revolution, out of? What, what, what was the, the type of persona? 'Cause I think it has a lot of relevance for what we see today.↗

35:17@icon_libraWell, again, what you were talking about before, then, they, they have a term for that. They call it white adjacent. So a lot of the black supremacists like to talk about, like, Asians, because Asians destroy the minority stereotype, because, a, a lot of them, a lot of black people like to say, "Oh, I can't make it in America because, white Europeans had a two hundred year head-start," but then a conservative can turn around and say, "Well, Asians came here, and a lot of them are..." Outdoing white people. Well then, well now the Bolsheviks like turn this around and say, "Nope, Asians don't count, they're white adjacent, they have privilege, they're a part of the oppressor class." So when you start, when you start diving deep, deeper into this and you start listening to more and more of these black supremacists, they literally start calling people who are doing good in a capitalistic or white society or a majority white society, they just call them white adjacent.↗

36:17@icon_libraAnd so they're giving them an excuse to pretty much take their life too. You know what I mean? And what you were talking about before is that the Bolsheviks, they just categorized people, the, the, the, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, and they kept saying like simple slogans like "Peace, bread, land," "Peace, bread, land," "All the power to the Soviets," "Workers of the world, unite," like they, they kept like- Pretty much saying like, "We the people need to come together and overthrow this like-- like, I'm not saying this, so government, I'm not saying this. I'm saying that the Bolsheviks said this in Russia, I'm not saying this. But they said like, 'Workers of the world, we need to like come together, unite, and overtake this, you know.'" Horrible repressive government, so we can have, peace, we can have the bread, we can have the land, because the land doesn't belong to them, the land belongs to us. So they were trying to give the people, the quote-unquote oppressed people, the sense of power, the sense of righteousness to take the life of the oppressed people by giving them this sense of entitlement. And that's what they're doing now in modern day, 'cause they're like, "Hey, this land isn't..." Really, American land, this land isn't really the white man's land. He stole this land. He is nothing but a colonizer. He is nothing but a white devil. He is nothing but a slave owner and a killer.↗

37:50Speaker 1Amy, can I just put a, it sounds like feminism. It's the same exact idea, and it's just used in a different perspective. But it's, just to your point, you are right on the majority of things you said, but it's a very feminist type of ideology, if you wanna put it my word.↗

38:13@icon_libraYeah, feminism is a part of, It's a part of that neo-Marxist mindset because what are they doing? Instead of taking the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, instead of the, the, the, the Bolsheviks and the, and the new Bolsheviks that I say that they use whiteness as the oppressor and people of color as the oppressed, what does feminists do? They just say, "Oh, the patriarchy is the oppressor." And anyone who's below the patriarchy, I guess, femininity or women or anyone else, is the oppressed. That's all it is. It's all Marxism, it's all communism, it's all Karl Marx, it's all oppressor versus oppressed. And you, you wanna know, feminism Bolshevism, all these things, they're using these frameworks to overthrow governments, to overthrow countries. So if you don't like a patriarchal government, if you don't like it, you could say, "Oh, this is patriarchy, this is horrible, so you're gonna radicalize women to turn them into terrorist cells to help you overthrow..." The quote-unquote patriarchy, or to, to, to overthrow the quote-unquote whiteness, or to overthrow the quote-unquote white supremacist nation, because it, all of it combined, Marxism, like if you look at it all wrapped around communism, Marxism, it is a terrorist ideology to give people the excuse for genocide. That's all it is. Because you are like, just for the feminists, just for the,↗

39:51@icon_librathe black supremists, just for the Bolshevik, just for all of these people, what does it do? It gives them scapegoating power, dehumanizing power, to look at these people and say, "They're the, they're the, they're the patriarchy," "They're the, they're the white supremacist," "They're a colonizer," "They're a white devil." And there's nothing wrong with me taking them out, seeking the revolution, and taking power and giving pow-power back to women, or power back to the people of color. I thought you said↗

40:23Speaker 4black woman. That reminded me of this exercise we-↗

40:27Ian MalcolmNot a chance. I, Ikonik, you can raise your hand, and we'll get to hands in a, a moment. But if you interrupt again, I will remove you from the space. Sorry, go for it.↗

40:37@icon_libraYeah, so again, I feel like I've, like I've cracked the code on all of this, 'cause yes, you can do the default and just say "jujujujujujujujuju," but if you like expand it, I'm trying to help you guys find a way to- To like see who is a neo Marxist, who is a Bolshevik, who is using these talking points to say like, "Hey, this person is a problem and a terrorist to our country," because someone like Hassan, like, I'll give you an example, they paid Parker and Dean to go out to Jubilee, 'cause they wanna push these ideals, they wanna push neo Marxism.↗

41:21@icon_libraThey, they, they said if I wanted to go out to Jubilee and debate, they said I'd have to go out to Jubilee. When you say↗

41:26Ian MalcolmDean, you mean, is, is that Dean Withers?↗

41:28@icon_libraYeah, Dean Withers, a little, a little, a little traitor, sold out his entire race just for a check. He's a piece of shit.↗

41:34Ian MalcolmOkay, so really quickly, because I'm not very familiar with his, positions and given he's not here to defend↗

41:40@icon_librahimself- Oh, I, I've debated him. Like, what↗

41:49Ian Malcolmdo you- Like, He's not here to defend himself, rather than kind of making that just, general statement, 'cause I'm not really familiar with him or Hassan. Well,↗

41:57@icon_libratell him to quit running.↗

41:59Ian MalcolmBye. Okay, if he wants to defend- I don't, I don't- I have no dynamic with these people, but what I would- Wait, wait, if he↗

42:03@icon_librawants to defend himself, tell him to face me face to face and quit being a bitch! Don't you believe a single one of them?↗

42:10@joann_marieWe don't talk to him, maybe. Yeah, I,↗

42:12Ian MalcolmI have no ability to pick that up, nor, nor, nor. Okay, so DM him, I don't know. I don't like my spaces. But what I would say to try and keep it, above the belt, let's say, why don't we do the following? Could you just list off with, a couple bullets the reasons that you would make those accusations of those two individuals, and then we can kinda move forward from it? But at least↗

42:38Ian MalcolmPretty bold one. Oh, yeah.↗

42:39@icon_libraOkay, here. So, let me ask you, what would you define as a traitor?↗

42:45Ian MalcolmSomebody whose efforts and actions and ideologies run, antithetical to those of the, the benefits and the lifestyles and the security of the people that they are, that they would call citizens or, or fellow citizens.↗

42:58@icon_libraOkay, and are we Americans?↗

42:59Ian MalcolmThat's right. 'Cause I'm an↗

43:00@icon_libraAmerican. I'm an American. So if someone says we're on stolen land, that right there tells you that they're telling you to your face That this country is illegitimate.↗

43:10Ian MalcolmAnd, and are those pos- that's a position held by those two individuals, is that right?↗

43:14@icon_libraHassan believes we're on stolen land, and I know Parker does. I, I didn't- Who is, who is↗

43:19Ian MalcolmParker?↗

43:19@icon_libraParker get a job that, him and Dean are like best friends, like they've- I, I was debating both of them two days ago, and I was able to get Parker to admit, I asked Parker, I was like, "Do you believe we're on stolen land?'" And he said, "Yes." So,↗

43:38Speaker 5A lot of, a lot of us don't know about the leftists, we don't go to their shows, we don't watch them. I debate them all the↗

43:44@icon_libratime, 'cause I like to expose them. I, I debate everyone, but I, I'm trying to stand up for my people. I'm white, I'm American, and I'm sick of these leftist Bolsheviks trying to destroy my fucking country.↗

43:59Ian MalcolmWell, fair. So, so here's the question for you, AV, how would you differentiate A, let's say, a Democrat and a Republican, that might fit a more traditional American, let's say, embodiment of those ideals versus a Bolshevik. What would you look for?↗

44:18@icon_libraOkay. Well, unfortunately, are you talking about like a Like a, like a senator, because unfortunately,↗

44:29Ian Malcolmno, no, not, not a person based on a role, but rather, you know, if you're talking with somebody, in this case Hassan, Pekar, again, I don't know many of his positions, but how would you, let's say, bucket or categorize a Bolshevik versus a American, whether they're a, a, a Republican, they're a Democrat, they're an independent, they're whatever, right? What, what would be the hallmarks that you would identify for them?↗

44:54@icon_libraThe hallmark would, yeah, Are you America first? Are you trying to dismantle America? Are you trying to look out for the best, results for American citizen, or are you trying to say that this country is illegitimate because you believe white conquest is inherently evil and we don't have a right to this land? So if you're talking to someone on the right or on the left, like, are they trying to destroy this nation?↗

45:25@icon_libraBecause if you are trying to destroy this nation, you are my enemy. If you are trying to destroy everything I know and love and take the house and the country away from my son, you are my enemy, and I'll do everything I can to stop you. So the biggest hallmark to me would be, are you America first, or are you trying to destroy America? And if you listen to any big leftist↗

45:55@icon_libraA lot of them are just trying to destroy America or say that America is inherently flawed, that it is born of original sin, which is colonization. But they never look into any other country and say that no other country was created through conquest, was created through war, was created through-- no, no country on this entire planet Is free of blood and bone. All country, all countries were created through blood and bone, but they don't wanna mention that. They wanna come up with any excuse, any slogan, anything they can to undermine this nation, to make us feel guilty, to give us, to make us give up our, our inheritance, our God-given right to our fucking country, and I say enough. If you start telling me the rhetoric that we don't,↗

46:48@icon_libradeserve our country, men and women heroes have died for this country. This country is legitimate, and if you don't think it's legitimate, then you can leave. That's the hallmark.↗

47:02Ian MalcolmWell, that certainly seems fair and, and would be in line with that idea of the Bolsheviks of yesterday, because obviously their intent was to create that revolutionary spirit, and that's why I brought up kind of the ingredients, because one of the big ones within Russia was that the Bolsheviks were largely, in terms of that revolution, they were largely made up of individuals that were either, expelled, under the Tsar, right? They were individuals that were essentially from-- and this is very curious 'cause David often uses outgroup psychopathy. Right? These were the, these were the others essentially. These were the people that didn't feel connected to those that were heritage Russians, that would have been aligned with the czar, with those ideals, with maybe the history of the nation. And curiously, we can make the exact same parallels under Mao and the idea of the four olds and getting rid of the tradition, the heritage, the culture, all of these things, right? It was, essentially, it was a revolutionary spirit against what was, and then in the chaos- Chaos, we always go back to that Game of Thrones quote, right? The, the chaos is the ladder, and the ladder was always that amidst all that chaos, they were able to extract a lot of the wealth from the once-capitalistic system and to impose a massive amount of totalitarian control on the everybody, right? So it's basically, you can almost think of it, it, it makes perfect sense that this type of political ideology would come downstream from a group of people that perhaps were often merchants, right? They're looking for something to ex- Exploit, right? The merchant goes from one place, acquires something, goes somewhere else, sells it for more than he got it somewhere else, right? That is the whole economic move, right? But when you think about it at a political level, how would you take civilizational control? Well, you go into something, you undermine that which it is, you then extract all of the wealth, all the energy, all the productivity, all the everything, and you look at Russia, you look at China, you look at the United States presently, you see this exact same pattern, and the reality is An individual that is a heritage American isn't going to assist a system that tries to undermine it, that tries to steal from it, that tries to dismantle it without a massive amount of propaganda. And so if you look at that Bolshevik ideology within America, well, it is gonna be a lot of individuals that feel either antagonistic towards or they're indifferent to the system that was being completely dismantled. So you then look at, who is it that's supporting this machine? And it's often a lot of individuals Blue hair that are countercultural, that are all these other things, right, that spit on the, the, the statues of the great presidents of yesterday, right? Because they, they wanna see that all torn down, both literally and figuratively. But, but back to you, Amy.↗

49:46@icon_libraWell, well, I mean, if you think about it, they're importing the other And they literally say the word assimilation is racism, 'cause they're like, "Oh, you, you think we should assimilate to American culture? Well, what is American culture? You think that if someone comes over here, they should just erase who they are, erase their culture? Well, that's racist. That's, that's, that's xenophobic. That's problematic.↗

50:16@icon_libraThat's da Of destroying your country, 'cause they're importing the other. They're saying no assimilation, so you're getting all these different cultures together, and then they're feeding the propaganda saying, "This country is illegitimate. This country is just, whiteness bad. It's filled with white supremacy. It, it has a history of slavery. you have white privilege. Everything about this country is horrible, bad, and..."↗

50:47@icon_libraThe biggest, the biggest- The biggest thing that should be the warning sign for you guys is every one of you should see Charlie Kirk in yourself. And I know that people made a meme of it saying that we are Charlie Kirk, but literally, every Heritage American is Charlie Kirk, and this is how they would react if you or me or anyone else got killed, because they literally see you as an oppressor. They see you on land that isn't yours. They see you↗

51:20@icon_libraas the, the, the amalgamation of evil. And, and this is what I believe, and they're, they're doing this to all the, the different countries, Ireland, Europe, America, everywhere. They're doing it, in Canada, they're importing and indoctrinating a Bolshevik army around the, The heritage, whoever the, heritage Americans, heritage Canadians, heritage Europeans, all of them,↗

51:54@icon_libraand they're being out, they're being out, what is it called, I can't even think of it. In, indoctrinated. They're being out-thought, out-foxted.↗

52:06Ian Malcolmout-group. I think that's what you're saying. Oh,↗

52:07@icon_librathey're, they're, they're being out-grouped, yes. Because, but they're also being like out-smarted, because- All of these her-- all the heritage people in these different countries, they're on defense. They're, they're saying, "No, my culture isn't bad. Like, I'm not inherently racist. I'm not a bad person." When really we should be saying, "Get the fuck out of my country." Like, what the fuck? Like, like, who are you? Like, you think you can come in here and tell me my country is illegitimate? You think you can come in here and say I'm an oppressor? Like, I don't think they understand, like, if You don't get to talk bad about your oppressor. You don't get a, if, like, if you were in, North Korea, you think you can talk bad about Kim Jong Un? You think you can, you can, you can say anything bad about him? No, your head would wind up on a fucking stick, okay? So,↗

53:01@icon_libraall you have to do is look at America, all you have to do is look at Europe, and you can see, without a doubt, white people aren't an oppressor. They are, right now, a laughing stock. And I'm sick and tired of my people being a laughing stock. I'm sick of us being on the defense, because they make commercials mocking us, they make, they make movies mocking us, they make all these different,↗

53:29@icon_libracom- like just a whole bunch of different things mocking us, and I'm sick and tired of it. I'm sick and tired of saying our countries don't matter, we don't matter, we matter, and we belong. Our numbers have been falling And I say, as a half German, half Englishman, enough is enough, white people. Enough is enough. We gotta say no to this Bolshevik↗

53:54@icon_librabullshit. We gotta say enough to yes, Judaism, and we gotta stand up for white people, Christianity, and what is right. And whoever's pushing this oppressor versus oppressed mindset, they are a terrorist to our nation. I am the AV report, I am the AV show, and that is the fucking truth. White man, remember who you are.↗

54:25@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much, AV. Ian, do you want to add anything?↗

54:29Ian MalcolmYeah, no, I mean, it's probably a decent little send-off there, an opportunity. I know we got lots of hands in here and individuals that might have some questions. we'll certainly go through those in the order in which they arrive, but I do wanna start with, Machiavelli, I know he's in here from the get-go, and get some of his thoughts on, on what AV was, was sharing there and this idea of the modern Bolshevik and, and the culture wars that↗

54:54Speaker 1It's been the same rhetoric, like Machiavelli himself speaks about people not knowing. He, he says in his own discourses to a certain extent, "Doesn't anyone check these anymore? It's-- This isn't mine, because he didn't invent nothing, he just was there to notice things, he's an observer. This is a pinnacle of white people. Whiteness is the, is the reason why we have civilized, a civilized world." World, because if you look upon us conquering any type of area of the world, it never got worse. The, the, the system that was imposed to us then become the oppressor of the white people, and this has been recurring because what you stated at the start about being free and freedom is the same thing that the Persians and the Pharisees went at After. You see, we are fighting the same ideological war through time, and this is going to keep going on until we assume our dominance again, take control of things, and put civilization in perspective, not war, profit, greed. This is basically how the world works. It's basically a Psychology has been modified to validate everything that has been seen as an issue as something that is natural when it's not. Giving in to your temptations isn't natural. That is being a coward. That is not facing your own de-demons or you have issues. It's not the person tempting you. This, this would validate the ideology of Islam, I have been to hide They're women. And just to point out the idiocracy of it all, today in Montreal, the shooting that happened, I saw it on the news from many, many perspectives, and I will say this, the only man that got shot, the, the, the policeman that got shot, was an Islamist, and the woman shot, did you? Two times point blank, and I think she, she, she wounded another man, another Jew. So feminism has killed a Jew in Montreal, and while Islam was defending it, just that.↗

57:30Speaker 1Let's see, but to what he said, it, all the, the, the Bolshevik ideology, if you saw the picture of Croatia during World War II, that's a poster that was in my town in Croatia. It's a poster of the Croatian flag with the German flag fighting Bolsheviks Because that's how we called Russians, we called them Bolsheviks, because this ideology that they had was Bolshevism. It's based on feminism, it's all the isms, buzzwords. Stop being controlled by words while you observe the world destroy everything you, your ancestors created, and they blame you for being white.↗

58:18Speaker 1We gave freedom to this world. It, it, it is beyond me that people today still have an issue with admitting that there's cultures that don't function as we do based on behaviors that you can't change.↗

58:39Speaker 1And↗

58:39Ian Malcolmthis is my point.↗

58:43Ian MalcolmAnd any thoughts on that, Avey?↗

58:45@icon_libraI mean, I completely agree. again, all cultures aren't compatible with the West. I mean, just look at, I mean, again, just look at Islam. Look at Judaism. These things are fundamentally flawed, and this is why I believe in this thing called assimilation. So you have to reject certain parts of your faith if you want to come in here. Like, let's say Judaism, when they do the things to the baby, we consider that as Christians, 'cause wh- white men created consent laws. So we say that's wrong. If you're gonna do that to a baby, we consider you a pedophile, and we're gonna put you under the jail. Do you, do you know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about the baby thing in Judaism?↗

59:38Speaker 1Yeah, it's exactly the same, it's the same thing. We don't have, if a white man is only looking at a child, he will be called a pedophile and his life will be destroyed. But you have Jews sucking and biting off genitals each day and it's normal. This type of behavior, it's not, it isn't normal, but that's what society today accepts. When I spoke to my mother, that's very- French, Canadian, and Christian, it took me twenty years to explain to her that Hitler wanted the Jews to leave Germany. He didn't want to kill anyone. And this is, has been written by the people that own Hollywood, okay? Who owns Hollywood?↗

1:00:28@icon_libraWell, yeah, it's the Jews, but didn't he try to get them to leave in 1933, but a lot of them didn't wanna leave because he, he only said that they could take 15% of their items and leave the rest?↗

1:00:40Speaker 1No, that's bullshit. According to my grandfather that did the war, he said that the majority of people that were left there, were left there for the reason of to be sacrificed. Because the Jews always do this. They have been doing this since the age of time. They will kill many of themselves to just, like the, the, the Jew throwing himself at the police officer today. They expect everyone to think that they're the victim. It's this ideology that was created through times to say that they're the victims.↗

1:01:13@icon_libraIsn't that what Holocaust means, to sacrifice?↗

1:01:17Speaker 1Yes.↗

1:01:18@icon_libraSo yeah, I mean, it's literally a sacrifice to whatever you believe their deity is, whether it be Satan or- Ball or whatever it is, they're sat-- they're using, utilizing the sacrifice to use the victimhood narrative to control everybody, 'cause it's the one thing you can't question. So, I mean, yeah. Pretty↗

1:01:40Speaker 1much.↗

1:01:42@icon_libraSo, yeah, I agree.↗

1:01:42Ian MalcolmThat's really good. It's based on this, their Machiavellian, and just,↗

1:01:47Speaker 1just a second, it's just based on the same thing a woman would use on a man for feminism, the ideology that women are, we're really victims of men, when we all know it's not the truth.↗

1:02:03Ian MalcolmNo, and, and I just want to call out, we're gonna be setting up a space with MacAvellie, probably a week or two out, and going to be discussing, the rise of, mental illnesses or what are being defined as those, along with SSRIs and how people are basically being treated in ways that run antithetically to their own health in many of these instances. so we're gonna be having that conversation, very excited for that, so always want to give him a lot of kudos. look forward to that↗

1:02:33Ian MalcolmTo, to Mr. Blue Sky, Joanne, unless you've got a different order for us.↗

1:02:39@joann_marieSorry, it is Blue Sky, but guys, please repost this page and follow Ian and David and the AV, and also if you guys go to it, I will also repost it, and thank you so much for being here. No, no, no, and also just↗

1:02:51Ian Malcolmwanted to, wanted to welcome everybody up onto the panel. I, I certainly see the mighty Thor, very excited to get over to his colorful delivery, is always gonna be entertaining, but we'll certainly make↗

1:03:03Ian MalcolmDefinitely get to you, yeah, definitely.↗

1:03:05Speaker 5Another great space. Thank, thank you everyone. please go ahead and subscribe. It's easy to subscribe, support, and he's doing an awesome job. He brings different spaces, different issues every single day. You can disagree or agree, but at least you're gonna get something every time he brings up. I have a question. My question is, most of people who doing the damage themselves are white men.↗

1:03:30Speaker 5you have the hacker bees in the wall from the left and the right, they're the one who causing the issues that you're trying to solve. So how do you deal, them? You know what I'm talking about? Pretend to be a white↗

1:03:44@icon_libraguy. Yeah. So, well, this is what I call the champagne socialists, 'cause a lot of these people these new, these neo Marxists, these Bolsheviks that are pushing the, this propaganda doesn't actually affect them, it affects the people downstream of their propaganda. So people like Dean and Parker, they probably live in a gated community, they're rich, they don't have to deal With the common man, you know what I mean? They can just order Doordash and live their good life and push, like Hassan Parker, Hassan, Hassan Piker. He's white presenting, he's not white, but, he, he, he looks close enough. So the reason why, you see a lot of white people pushing this stuff is because they took the paycheck, they took the money, or they're really Jewish and they're from Israel. But let's say they really are white and they're not, and as a Mossad or a honey pot or a whatever, let's just say they're actually European white and they sold out their people, I would say, I would classify them as a, a Sampan Socialist or a Sampan Bolshevik, because a lot of them- Pushing for this, mass immigration and for this,↗

1:05:02@icon_librastuff that hurts the nation. They know a lot of them probably aren't gonna have to deal with it. They're not gonna have to be on the front lines. They're gonna be sitting in their mansion and watching all the chaos unfold while they're telling their hundreds of thousands of people to go do the revolution while they sit there eat their lobster and they think it's funny. So the problem is Is like, yes, they're the problem, but that's why I'm trying to tell people the warning signs of the Bolshevik, to quit listening to these traitors. You know what I'm saying? So we need to identify these Bolsheviks and say, "Hey, this person sold you out for some shekels. This person took the money." This person may be actually white, but he doesn't care about his race. He may be actually American or British or whatever or Canadian or whatever. They don't actually care about their country. They took the paycheck and sold you out because they're sitting in their penthouse with their, with their, with their paid prostitute, with their lobster, with their steak, with their whatever, playing video games, doing all this stuff, and they don't care that their propaganda is destroying the nation from the ground up. So what I would say is, the reason why I gave you this warning signs of the new Bolshevik, so we can identify these creators and say this person is a terrorist, you need to quit listening to them, because any white man who pushes neo-marxism↗

1:06:26@icon_librais either not white or he's a traitor and he took the money, sold his soul, so. I, like, you're not gonna really convince the person, 'cause if they've made the choice to sell their soul, they're gonna make up any excuse to fight against you. And the worst kind of person, I believe, is a traitor. And that's why I look at Gene, Dean and Parker,↗

1:06:54@icon_libraand I'm just disgusted, 'cause I see a traitor.↗

1:07:00Speaker 2Dante agreed, the lowest level of hell was for traitors and other people. So that- Well, in↗

1:07:06Speaker 1history, traitors are always supposed to be treated the first and exposed to the rest of us to be an example, because humanity needs to be led by examples. If not, it becomes, kind of comfortable and very pushed into sin itself.↗

1:07:26@icon_libraYeah, so I, I completely agree with them, but, so, but did you, did you understand the point? Like, you're not gonna, like, this is what I would say. The person who's probably spouting the propaganda knows that it's bullshit, but they don't care, 'cause they've taken the paycheck. You know what I'm saying? So, if you're talking to someone and they got a big platform and you know it's bullshit and they're spouting woke propaganda, they don't care. So what I'm saying is, we need to learn how to identify them and tell their audience stop, because this is going to lead to the upheaval and to the destruction of our nation. David, I'm,↗

1:08:05Ian MalcolmI'm, I'm kinda curious, David, for your thoughts on, on what Avi just said around the, those that are, are pushing back against our narrative, and, and the reason that I'm curious about this is there is a large subset, I think it's, it's obviously shrinking, but there's a large subset of something like ninety-five, ninety-six, ninety-seven plus percent of the country that are just totally oblivious to Jewish supremacy, right? They, they don't encounter These discussions, they never think these, these, you know, perspective ideas and perspectives, and, and so I'm, I'm curious, David, on your thought of what percent of the country, if you had to just take a very, very wild guess, do you think are aware of and critical of Jewish supremacy? what percent are aware of but obfuscate on behalf of Jewish supremacy? And what percent of the country do you think is completely oblivious to all of this taking place in the first place?↗

1:09:02Speaker 2Well, the last part's probably pretty big, but I don't really know the percentages, my friend. I do think that we're missing the mark just a little bit. I'm concerned about us, you know, this isn't awakening, it is unstoppable. And part of what-- the reason why the, you know, I'm, I'm answering the other, the person's question, too. Part of the reason why it's a great awakening is you can only inspire people with guilt for so long. You know, earlier what you were talking about has a name, it's cultural relativism. And if you turn the chessboard around, you need to promote these ideas if you want to destroy a civilization. What have we been talking about? What does everything-- if you could run a thread through everything we're talking about, now, first of all, it is Jewish supremacy. I think that it is a gentle euphemism just to call it Bolshevism, because these people are actually wedded to↗

1:09:52Speaker 2It's just outgroup psychopathy. They wield ideas as clumsily as a monkey would wield a radio for a hammer. It just doesn't matter as long as it knocks you out. So what are we talking about? We're talking about demoralization. So the people that our friend here was just talking about, that are sort of selling the other side, those are the people, you've heard me say this before, who have had the strings of guilt strung across their soul, and the enemy is playing them like a virtual so-and-so. And what are they saying? "I wanna be a good↗

1:10:19Speaker 2Well, these people have always existed. This is called demoralization, and the whole point, of course, of establishing a tyranny or authoritarianism for all of time is to demoralize everyone. You all heard me say this, because if we still have our morals, we will rise up. So I'm not really concerned with the coward. I'm not really concerned with the rightless poltroon. I'm concerned with the rest of us, because we know everything they say just doesn't stand on its head. Like math, the equation doesn't work frontwards and backwards. It doesn't Doesn't work for them, for instance, cultural relativism. If you say there's nothing special about your culture opposed to others, how would you know? What standard of measurement would you use? In fact, Western civilization towers over the rest of civilization so immeasurably that even the average person living in it doesn't comprehend it, and of course, some of that is due to the malevolence of the people that we're talking about. But I'm really more interested for the, for the purpose of the discussion, how retarded are you? Do you know anything about Jewish↗

1:11:16Speaker 2philosophy? No, But you're the subpar person. Okay, I'm just going to reiterate. The retarded person is the one that, that squeals and has no self-control. But the important thing is to understand, this is their methodology. They don't have anything else. If we, if we're proud of who we are, if we're proud of our culture, you know, their intention isn't to go out and kill every last one of us, they want our culture itself to die by suicide. They want us to forget it, they want us to give up on it, they want us to turn on it. And what's the answer for us to have a re-credenence of love around our culture? These people have no reason, no place, no standpoint to lecture us about anything. What do they export? Death, pedophilia, lies, no accomplish,↗

1:12:01Speaker 2The entire Renaissance and the entire Enlightenment, through that whole period, with all this great philosophy, all this great mathematics, all this great science, they were counting their shekels. They were simply engaging in the one thing that allows them to undermine the rest of us, which is money, which is usury, and that is it. And they have shape-shifted our entire civilization with that money. So I'm, I'm really interested in really having that re-rediscovery of moral strength. How do we go forward? You know, I, I just by coincidence posted something today,↗

1:12:30Speaker 2Giot Renaissance and notice that he's inspiring everybody with his art. And it was, it was two hundred years before Michelangelo painted his chapel. Notice that we, when we're left to ourself, we're inspired, we're numinous, we look to the heavens, we love each other, we have incredible, incredible outgroup solicitude, and we have absolutely incredible love of each other in high trust society. And these people, the common denominator to everything that derastens our civilization, that demoralizes us, all we have to do is reject them. We have to stand up against them.↗

1:13:01Speaker 2We can't just do that. We have to remember, we have to affirm what makes us great, what makes our moral system superior to theirs.↗

1:13:09@icon_libraAnd I completely agree with you one hundred percent. But the reason why I, I'm just giving people the, the warning signs of the Bolshevik, 'cause I'm giving people a through line. You know what I mean? So like if they see someone who's like a black supremacist and they're using these talking points, they can see, oh, he's a neo-Marxist, and then they can take it all the way back back to communism and then like take it logically back, you see what I'm saying? 'Cause if you just say "jujujujujujujuju," then like you get kind of lost So that's why I'm trying to give people--↗

1:13:44Speaker 2But I, but I don't say that. I say Jewish supremacy, and my friend, I would encourage you, because this is sort of catching on, I would encourage you to, to default to that. And the reason why is because they, they can't shapeshift away from Jewish supremacy. Everything else they can. They can say, "Oh, no, now we're white," as Ben Shapiro says, or "Now you see, you see what they do," or "Now we're, we're part of the culture, we're American The one thing that you can't, they can't get away from, there is no other place for them to go, is when you call them out on Jewish supremacy. And remember, they, they have pretended to be for what? Equality. In fact, radical equal-egalitarianism. These are the people that look at the valley and the mountain and lament of the inequality. The, the radical egalitarianism obviously has the underpinning of the whole raison d'être of it is once again to undermine our civilization. The evil person is Just as good as the good person. Who am I to judge? Which is the faculty that is exactly the faculty of your mind when it says in the Bible, "Judge not lest you be judged." It wasn't saying don't judge, it was saying just remember that it's supposed to work both ways. You need to live up to these ideals. These people don't think that. So I really do still agree with you, by the way. You really need to know those breadcrumbs about how they did it, how they commit, how did they do it in Bolshevik Russia? You know, we have a nation of Holocaust deniers in Israel. We have a nation of absolutely the most anti-Semitic nation in the world. They change the language to forgive themselves for killing all the Semites around them. So of course, we need to use-- you never put down that module, that moral cudgel. And I still, I really think, you're absolutely right to go back and look, This is what they did. But you need, if you say Bolsheviks, they'll just say, "I'm not one of those." But Jewish supremacists? Then just get them renounce it. Finally, put them on the moral defensive. Do you renounce Jewish supremacy? How can they say, "Well, doesn't exist"? "Oh, really? Okay, well then I, I think it does, if you'd say that." But↗

1:15:40@icon_librathat only works if you're debating a Jew. Let's say if you're debating a black supremacist or a, a white traitor like Dean or Parker. Then the only way to call it out would be like a Bolshevik style, 'cause it's like, do you denounce Jewish supremacy? They'll just be like, "Yeah, I denounce all kinds of supremacy." I,↗

1:15:57Speaker 2I do, I do, I bristle a little bit at the term of any other kind of supremacy, because what are we talking about when we say that? Like, if Black people say they're special, Persians say they're special, Japanese say they're special, but we're talking about one group of people that say our supremacy is that you are not human. What we↗

1:16:18Speaker 2We are animals because we're not part of mineral or vegetable, so the only kingdom we're part of is the animal kingdom, right? So what, what do we, what are we? We're the goyim or the cattle if you extract that which constitutes our humanity. I'm telling you exactly the psychology of how they work, how they think, how they operate, and the way to get them, the absolute spear that takes them down is Jewish supremacy. Not, if black people, if black people are doing, if black, if black people are doing this,↗

1:16:45@joann_marieoh my god, I can't↗

1:16:46Speaker 2even Black people, if black people are saying I'm superior to you, okay, but they're the symptom, not the disease, right? Like, who taught them that? You know, it was Charles Manson who said, you know, you know, blackie does what, you know, whitey tells him. It's not true. Blackie does what the Jewish supremacists tell him. He's literally been taught like a parrot to say these things. But what do you say, right?↗

1:17:07@icon_libraBut what do you say to the black supremacist? 'Cause like, I've debated a lot of them↗

1:17:18@icon_libraThey'll, like, I've even talked to a lot of 'em, and this is actually getting really popular in, in black supremacy circles, where they say that white people aren't even, indigenous to this world, that we are actually aliens from a outer space, and we colonized this planet 'cause actually- Well, I↗

1:17:37Speaker 2can only speak for myself.↗

1:17:38@icon_libraI'm just saying, like, this is what a lot of them actually believe. They, they- W-↗

1:17:41Speaker 1Why, why do you debate with people that take the sh- shit like that? Because,↗

1:17:46@icon_librabecause I like- I mean- Because I like to understand people's worldviews, I like to challenge them. Okay, well, let me, let me, let me respond to that. But, but I just, I just↗

1:17:56Speaker 3had to, I just had to teach them that these weaponized golems against whitey around the world. That's↗

1:18:00Speaker 2it. And, but, and the thing is, look, I want, I want all the people in the world. You think about our principles, is they're universal. I want Japanese people to be happy. I, I want the people in Africa to, to live better, and I want Of course, you know, suicidal empathy, but the message itself, there are universal principles, the math works. Moral philosophy, like everything else, is supposed to work forwards and backwards, and the only people with whom that doesn't work, which is Jewish supremacists. So you're-- the idea that I wanna go after the symptom, like the feminists, for instance, the feminists, feminism, first of all, is a Jewish ideology, right? So you're basically meagre, meagre minds are the battlegrounds of great men, and I don't want to go after the B team. I↗

1:18:48Speaker 2I don't wanna go after the echo chamber, I wanna go to the source of the actual voice, of the actual thought. And I will tell my black brothers and sisters, I will tell the feminist women that have decided that we're evil, we love you, and you are being played, you're being used. And the last thing, and I said this to someone yesterday, they didn't like it, the people that are playing you don't respect you. They don't even look at you as human, they laugh at you. Go to Israel if you're Christian and you're a Christian Zionist,↗

1:19:16Speaker 2you See what we're doing, my friend? We're inspiring them. I'm not going to these individual groups and fighting these little Pyrrhic, you know, battles from here and there and there. No, I'm going after the A-team, and we're taking them down,↗

1:19:29Ian Malcolmintellectually and spiritually speaking.↗

1:19:31@icon_libraI mean, yeah,↗

1:19:33Speaker 2I, I- Yes, intellectually speaking, yes.↗

1:19:34@icon_libraSo I, I like where you're coming from there, but I just like fighting all ideologies, but I do agree with what you're saying, like they, they are like the main, like they're the head of the octopus, like if what you're saying, like I get it. Well, yeah,↗

1:19:45Speaker 2and I would, I would finish with this. Has Jewish supremacy helped or hurt black people? Right? It's, it's just- They've used them as a↗

1:19:52@icon_librabio weapon.↗

1:19:53Speaker 2That's exactly right, but, Imagine, rule America. They were so indifferent to whether you lived or died, they did nothing. They just said, "You're free, do whatever you want." You're a Frederick Douglass et al. You would be far better off Right? You're not being ruled by incompetent firemen, you're being ruled by dedicated arsonists, and they used you, like you said, as a bioweapon. They threw you like feces, and look, as Thomas Sowell said, all the moral and economic indicators plummeted, went down, down, down, and now you can barely conjugate a verb, the most common verb in your language. You can barely-- you, you don't have the basic skills to go out and get a job. I, I don't want this for you. I don't celebrate your abysm All this, who used you? During Black Lives Ladder, during Black Lives Matter, which was a Jewish movement, who is it, who is it that lost the police to save them, to save the honest, hardworking people, blue collar, white collar, in the black communities, of which seventy percent worked, when they picked up the phone and called the cops, no one came, and the evil black person predated upon the good black person, but white communities all kept their cops. So was this really loving and caring for black people? No, it was hateful. And of course, we have a death toll as a relation all across the country. We actually have, and the actual death toll, FBI statistics, and no-- none of these people care. It is the most cynical, it's the most ugly. So our black brothers and sisters that are parading this, yes, they're unwitting accomplices to a horrible thing.↗

1:21:32@icon_libraI completely agree.↗

1:21:34Speaker 5So, also, they also used to, for example, ABL. ABL.↗

1:21:39Ian MalcolmIconic, if you wanna talk, just raise↗

1:21:41@joann_marieyour hand. Well, let's,↗

1:21:42Ian Malcolmlet's, let's, let's go to Iconic. We'll give him a chance. He's, he's been waiting pretty patiently. and thank you for that, Iconic, and thank you everybody up here who has been, kind of with us. I know there's a lot of speakers, a lot of time, so I just wanna appreciate everybody's↗

1:21:58Speaker 4time. But go Every time you guys are overpopulated, you guys have more people. Wait, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on,↗

1:22:07Ian Malcolmhang on, hang on, hang on. How do you come up↗

1:22:08Speaker 6with this shit?↗

1:22:09Ian MalcolmHang on, iconic, okay, so the white people are overpopulated in the United States, is that the- That's↗

1:22:14Speaker 4what the real issue is, and you guys are- Okay, so hang on, hang on, we're gonna ignore- So↗

1:22:18Ian Malcolmiconic, hang on, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna take this apart. Right? We're gonna take what you just said, we're gonna pick it apart, and we're gonna examine it. So white people are overpopulated in America. How would you just so I understand your position, how would you define overpopulated in this statement?↗

1:22:38@icon_libraAnd he's a Bolshevik.↗

1:22:42Ian MalcolmIn all sincerity, Iconic, what do you mean when you use the word overpopulated? In that sense, I, I, I think he meant overrepresented. No, no, no, you know what that↗

1:22:50@icon_librameans? It means too many of, it means he wants to take out a lot of us, 'cause he sees the population is growing. Well, let's, let's hang on before we put words in his mouth. Let's hear what Iconic, Iconic, I'm gonna try to give you↗

1:22:59Ian Malcolma fair, fair opportunity here. What do you mean when you say overrepresented?↗

1:23:09Speaker 4Speak, what do I mean? how, how do you need-- I guess you guys need like a visual or something? No, no, no, no, no, we don't need a visual.↗

1:23:17Ian MalcolmYou can express your ideas with words. What, what are you trying to convey? Is it that there are too many white people in America?↗

1:23:26Speaker 4Yeah, that's why, yeah. And both of you can↗

1:23:29@icon_libraconfirm. Okay,↗

1:23:29Ian Malcolmokay, so hang on, hang on. Alright, so you think there are too many white people in America? What, what percentage of America do you think should be white?↗

1:23:39Speaker 4It should always be 70%.↗

1:23:42Ian MalcolmWait, I'm just saying, but, I kinda, you know that it's less than 70%, right now. I, I kinda, I kinda, hang on. You know that it's less than 70%, right?↗

1:23:50Speaker 4I, I don't think it is. I don't believe-- Last time I checked, it's, it's been like documented that it was like- It can't be.↗

1:24:00Ian MalcolmSo are white people now underpopulated in the United States based on your definition?↗

1:24:05Speaker 4I, I don't know. I don't believe the last time I checked, it was definitely said it was seventy percent. I, I can't, I can't if it's,↗

1:24:10Speaker 2if it's, I can't if it's seventy percent. What comprises the other forty percent?↗

1:24:15Speaker 4I know it's about 14% African American.↗

1:24:19Ian MalcolmThat, that's roughly correct, just↗

1:24:20Speaker 413%. Or, or 13%, I think it's less than that. Maybe 12%. I don't know, but,↗

1:24:25Ian Malcolmalright, so iconic, let's, let's do it this way. If 60% is white and 13% is black, what is everything else? What percent? The↗

1:24:36Speaker 4immigrants. You↗

1:24:40Ian Malcolmmissed the question.↗

1:24:40@icon_libraGet↗

1:24:41Ian Malcolmout of my fucking↗

1:24:41@icon_libracountry.↗

1:24:42Ian MalcolmWhat, what, what, what, what, what would, if you had six apples, in, in that, in that equation, what percent of the country would the immigrants, according to you, make up?↗

1:24:55Speaker 4Oh man, oh, wasn't that like ten percent?↗

1:24:59Ian MalcolmNo, no, if, if whites are 60 and blacks are 13, there's, there's more than 10 left over. What would be the total? 17,↗

1:25:08Speaker 4got 18,↗

1:25:11@icon_libra19, 20. Bro, I was hurting his head doing math. Oh my god. God damn math. 16, 60, right? 70,↗

1:25:16Speaker 480, 90, 100.↗

1:25:22Speaker 4So that would leave us with 30%.↗

1:25:25@icon_libraAre you dumb? I mean, you're getting closer.↗

1:25:26Ian MalcolmIt's not thirty percent. What's, what's it twenty minus three,↗

1:25:30Speaker 4twenty-six percent. Well, it's↗

1:25:32Ian Malcolmnot twenty-six either, but you're getting closer.↗

1:25:36Speaker 4Do you have an abacus? Twenty-four, twenty-five.↗

1:25:40Ian MalcolmNo, not twenty-five. No, keep going.↗

1:25:42Speaker 4Clo-closer.↗

1:25:44@icon_libraSeven. This is why, this is why we rose the IQ thing so you guys don't seem retarded.↗

1:25:51Ian MalcolmWell, so hang on. Okay, so Iconic, alright, so we've got that figured out. so apparently there are too few whites according to your, measurement 'cause it should be seventy percent, but it's only sixty percent. But i-is it bad if there, if, if sixty percent of the country is white? Is that good or bad, Iconic?↗

1:26:08Speaker 4I mean, it's, is it good or bad? No, I mean, the best investment a white person can make right now is mulatto children.↗

1:26:16@icon_libraAre you-↗

1:26:16Ian MalcolmWait, hang on. Do you have any economic factor that you could use to back up that statement?↗

1:26:25Speaker 4there are- Melano children are genetically fairer. Wait, what kind of↗

1:26:31Ian Malcolmchildren?↗

1:26:35Speaker 4Melano children are genetically fairer. Melano? Yeah. Okay.↗

1:26:39@icon_libraOkay, by definition, that would be erasing our own race. So, so you say we're overpopulated, and then you say, "Uh, the prescription for that is to erase our own race by dating black or Asian cultures." No, no, no, you will↗

1:26:52Speaker 4just be merging cultures. That's why the flag has three, three colors. Why do I have to merge my cultures? Wait,↗

1:26:57@icon_librahold on, hold on.↗

1:26:59Speaker 2Well, one, one second, iconic, you said merging cultures, give me three qualities to black culture.↗

1:27:06Speaker 4African American culture.↗

1:27:08Speaker 2No, no, I, I wanna know Well, first,↗

1:27:11Speaker 4first off, it's a combination of almost all the African↗

1:27:24Ian Malcolmethnic groups, right? It's not doing math, obviously. You're genetically superior already, right? Hold on, hold on. Genetically superior? Hang on, hang on, hang on. This dude is hilarious, by the way. Hang on, hang on, hang on. So, so To↗

1:27:40Speaker 4other blacks, yes.↗

1:27:42Ian MalcolmWait, okay, so African Americans are genetically superior to other blacks, okay? What about to whites?↗

1:27:49Speaker 4possibly, I don't know. I don't know. Wait a second now. Hold on. Hold on, wait. Ian, Ian, you're missing me. Iconic,↗

1:27:55Ian MalcolmI'm curious. does, does the statement that you just made make you a racist or not? I don't know. I↗

1:28:02Speaker 4don't know. I don't know. I don't know.↗

1:28:06Ian MalcolmIconic, how would you define the word racist?↗

1:28:14Speaker 2Wait, Ian, you just went by something here. He said that he said that he said that he said that African Americans. Hold on, Iconic. He said African Americans.↗

1:28:22Ian MalcolmDavid, here's the funny part, it's being prejudiced towards other races. Iconic was suggesting that African Americans are genetically superior to all other Africans. Would that, would that be racist according to your perspective?↗

1:28:35Speaker 2But ask him why that's the case. Why are African Americans- Iconic- Genetically proven. Hold on, Iconic.↗

1:28:41Ian MalcolmWait.↗

1:28:42Speaker 2Well, no, he might, he's onto something. Iconic. Why are African Americans genetically superior to Af- to Africans?↗

1:28:50@icon_libraI, I actually- Okay,↗

1:28:51Speaker 4so is it the theory because, you know, this, this, the strongest survived, you know, the- No, is it because, no, is-↗

1:28:58Speaker 2But why? What is the reason? What is the genetic reason? What is the genetic variation that makes them different genetically than Black Africans?↗

1:29:07Speaker 4I don't know, White people was just perverts, there was a lot of-↗

1:29:23Speaker 2No,↗

1:29:32Speaker 4no↗

1:29:36Speaker 2Okay, so which is the other ethnic group? Good, we're onto something. Which is the other ethnic group in you that's making you superior? Well, let's give an example. Nigeria has three. You're almost there. No, no, no, no, let's don't, no, hold on, hold on, no, no. You said because you have more than one ethnic group in you, what is the other one? I think you just alluded to is this in terms of breeding that you were advocating. Are you talking about race? Race is a group. No, hold on. You just now said that merging with another, having sex basically, with another ethnic group is making African Americans superior to Africans. What is that other ethnic group majoritarily that they're merging with?↗

1:30:17Speaker 4White, it's 'cause you guys↗

1:30:18Speaker 2got the money. Okay, thank you. You're a white supremacist. I'm so grateful. here's your, here's your door prize. Great job. By the way, you just admitted that the thing that's making you superior is by merging with white people, so everything else is the same. We've controlled for everything else. You and I have done this together, and I'm so proud of the both of us. And, and oh, by the way, David, thank you. According to your study,↗

1:30:39Ian Malcolmthe best thing that whites could do for Everything that you just agreed upon with him. So logic is getting thrown out the window very quickly here.↗

1:30:53Speaker 3Yeah, I made a note of that. And David, I think you raised his inadvertently IQ by about three point seven five points. So double, so double this now. So double this now. Out of↗

1:31:02Ian Malcolmcuriosity, and I say this with all sincerity. Are, are you able to comprehend why you just defeated your own argument, and do you have any shame in that being the case on a recorded space? I'm curious for those two↗

1:31:16@icon_librathings.↗

1:31:18Speaker 1No, we can't, 'cause you have to visualize that. Or↗

1:31:23@icon_libraare you eating chalk right now?↗

1:31:27Speaker 4I mean, who was the question?↗

1:31:30@icon_libraOh my God, yeah, you,↗

1:31:35Speaker 1You need a frontal lobe to visualize things and keep them in your mind and process them. Well, hang on, hang↗

1:31:40Ian Malcolmon. There's, there's plenty of very smart African Americans that we've had, lovely conversations with, and I appreciate what we do. But iconic, I'm, I'm sincerely, I wanna say this kindly, I'm concerned, for you, because every conversation we've ever had, you end up leaving the stage in what I feel like should be a terrible state of embarrassment, and yet you seem completely immune to it. And I don't know if you're lonely or perhaps you aren't able to process that you continuously put your foot in your mouth. So could, could, do you enjoy these conversations like↗

1:32:15Speaker 4that? Yeah, I mean, if you saw me in person, you'd probably see why. I think what are you doing? What does that have to do with anything?↗

1:32:26Ian MalcolmWhat↗

1:32:26Speaker 2does↗

1:32:26Speaker 4that mean?↗

1:32:28@icon_libraWhat↗

1:32:28Speaker 2does that mean? Do you wear, do you wear your brain on the outside? How would we see? Like, this is about thinking. But that was what I was saying that↗

1:32:35Speaker 1there's the reason why some of them, like some of them are brilliant is because they have been crossed with white people.↗

1:32:47Speaker 2Well, no, there are some very highly intelligent black people that are basically Basically a hole in the night. They're really black, you know, so if they don't open their eyes, you can't see them. So, you know, I'm not willing to, to go that far. But I understand, and of course, I do still admit of the point that Iconic made. I do think that there is a positive variation for them. I, I obviously he's also admitting, and no, he doesn't wear, he doesn't, he's not aware of this, but he's admitting it's not really good for white people, but,↗

1:33:22@icon_libraSo does it mean you look as pathetic as your arguments or like what are you trying to say?↗

1:33:26Speaker 4Well, okay. Oh, so that was the question. You said my, arguments are pathetic.↗

1:33:31@icon_libraYeah. So what are you saying? So we see you in person, what, what does that mean? And, and to the question, so you say we see you in person, what does that mean for your argument?↗

1:33:41Speaker 4Who's speaking?↗

1:33:43@icon_libraWhat?↗

1:33:44Speaker 4Who's speaking?↗

1:33:46@icon_libraWhat is that?↗

1:33:46Speaker 2you. I can't see you, but it sounds like you. What↗

1:33:48@icon_libradoes that mean for your argument↗

1:33:50Speaker 2I wanna know who I'm speaking to.↗

1:33:52Speaker 3Are, are you- That's the AV report, okay. Alright.↗

1:33:55@icon_libraAnswer the question.↗

1:33:59Speaker 2What'd you ask?↗

1:34:01@icon_libraOh my God.↗

1:34:02Speaker 2We, we didn't act. You guys are acting like we didn't act. Nobody acts. We're, this is non-violent here, which is about free association.↗

1:34:10Speaker 4I'm,↗

1:34:10@icon_libraI'm just trying to follow your logic, smart guy. You've been,↗

1:34:13Speaker 4you've been trying to force me into saying something vain for some time now.↗

1:34:16@icon_libraNo, you just,↗

1:34:16Speaker 4no, you just, we're↗

1:34:17Ian Malcolmnot trying to force you to say anything. I'm actually confused. I, I, and I say this again with all sincerity, I'm confused why you enter these conversations because every time↗

1:34:30Ian MalcolmThings that I am not good at, and those things, maybe I find it enjoyable to get absolutely demolished doing them. But, but there's things that are few and far between where that would be the case. So, Iconic, in all sincerity, do you enjoy these conversations? Yeah, he gave↗

1:34:49Speaker 4me an opportunity to explain things to people who don't know things.↗

1:34:53Speaker 2Well, do you think that happens often↗

1:34:55Ian Malcolmin these conversations?↗

1:34:57Speaker 2I, for one, am edified.↗

1:34:59@icon_libraYeah, but Ian, he, he said, "See me."↗

1:35:01Speaker 2I think we learned the thing that you, I think we're learning something, you don't think? So here, I kinda, I have a question for you. If you have, sixteen apples and you eat four of them, and then you travel twenty-five miles on a train for forty-five minutes, when you're done, how many apples do you have left?↗

1:35:19Speaker 4okay, sixteen minus four, what is that?↗

1:35:24Ian MalcolmYou can't be serious.↗

1:35:27Speaker 4You don't have fingers,↗

1:35:28Speaker 2you've got your fingers, right? You don't have a, don't even need your toes for this one. Of↗

1:35:32Speaker 4course, you're using your fingers. Yeah.↗

1:35:34@icon_libraVery good, my friend. He's gotta be trolling, he's gotta be↗

1:35:37Speaker 3trolling. He is a scholar, read his bio. And by the way, Ian, I, I don't wanna answer for him, but, and I don't mean to be a dick, but alas, I cannot tell a lie. There are plenty of people in America, and I'm fifty-five↗

1:35:54Speaker 3People who are raised without a sense of shame, they don't get embarrassed, they don't conceptually understand, shame, and I think that's what we may be hearing here. I sound like a dick, I'll do five hail marys in two thousand dollars. Well, I will tell you, I will tell you,↗

1:36:12Ian Malcolmthe credibility of my opinion in these conversations,↗

1:36:14Speaker 5the credibility also, let's not pass judgment on this guy. Or you can look at this↗

1:36:18@icon_librafrom a bull, bullsh- That's fair enough,↗

1:36:20Speaker 5Luis.↗

1:36:20@icon_libraOr you can look at this from a bullshifistic per-p As the oppressor, he could just come into our, you know, our space and just make a mockery of it, think it's funny. No,↗

1:36:31Speaker 2he's our friend. But let's understand he↗

1:36:33@icon_libracould come into it and think it's funny and just like these people are problematic, so I'm just gonna make this a mockery. No, I don't think that's the case.↗

1:36:39Ian MalcolmThat's why I asked the question. Iconic, you're always welcome to participate in the discourse, and so I appreciate that as long as everybody's orderly. but with that being said, let's And a lack of it in modernity, 'cause I know Amir has done a lot of studies around, the mind, the brain, and how it personifi- let's say, how it personifies itself, and manifests via behavior.↗

1:37:08Speaker 6Thanks, Ian. A lot of things I wanna say first. I'm definitely interested in the space you're gonna be having with Machiavelli about, depression and SSRIs, and I'll probably join if I can 'cause- I wanna contribute to that if, if I have that, yeah, that, that sounds↗

1:37:21Speaker 2right in your wheelhouse, my friend. I would↗

1:37:24Speaker 1love to. Yeah, exactly. I just followed you so, we can get in touch and see if we have things in common to speak about on that subject, on the, on the space as well.↗

1:37:36Speaker 6Sure, it might be a little idiosyncratic, but I promise you there's something there. And even Jordan Peterson's ideas, I think I understand something about it that I can kind of break down simply for people, and it's kind of tied to depression. That man, I feel, you know, two ways about him, like, because of his views on Israel and stuff, but his stuff about the brain is, is pretty legit, and it has to be respected. so maybe if I could provide some, I'll just kind of play it by ear, you↗

1:38:04Speaker 6but, so yeah, definitely excited for that space. And, David, you're always on point, it's incredible. Like, we're so lucky to have David. He's, he's smart and sharp and, and funny. And, iconic, bro. Like, you gotta help a brother out, man. Come on. Come on, man. You can't be coming out here unable to do basic math and, and how are we gonna defend black people? You're around, bro. It's, it's not a good look. But,↗

1:38:29Speaker 6you know, glad, glad to have you around, and, you know, there are definitely a lot of smart black people, but, you know, I'd hate to disagree with you, Avi, but, but I have to. I like to respect Ian's guests, I'm gonna be respectful, but I don't know if it's appropriate to call Dean Withers a traitor or an enemy. Let's debate. In my opinion, hating the left-- Just one sec, please. in my opinion, hating the left is a Jewish psyop.↗

1:38:52@icon_libraWhat?↗

1:38:57@icon_libraWell, how would- Alright, how would you define a traitor?↗

1:39:00Speaker 2Hold on, before we go there. So tell, expand a little bit, Emiro, if you would please, on how hating the left is a Jewish sign up. I'm interested in that.↗

1:39:10Speaker 6Do they keep scapegoat scapegoating the left any chance they get? Like, for example, they did that with Charlie Kirk and the Trans bullet, which is so obvious if you, if you know what's going on. And even just look at what happened recently with the reflection pool, saying Antifa and leftists are like putting algae in the fucking pool, and meanwhile they hired a company literally called Green Water, so like, what the hell? but they just keep pinning things on the left because the left was very outspoken, against Israel after October 7. And they didn't forget that, they keep in mind who's, like, you know, obviously they keep canceling people, so, and, and antisemitism laws kinda started because of that shit. So they hate the left because they can't control the left, so they've just completely antagonized them, they wanna get rid of them. And so, and I think it's really important to understand that a lot of leftists are extremely normal. And I don't like saying this, but I know it's gonna appeal to you, there's a lot of white leftist, including the leftists, that you can't just antagonize because Israel and Jews are trying to ca-caus tensions between us. Well, let me, let me,↗

1:40:11Speaker 2let me, let me, let me find out.↗

1:40:13@icon_libraNo, one↗

1:40:13Speaker 2second, AVR, AVR, one second. So let me just follow up, and AVR, you can take it from there after Emir's response. I do feel that the, Jewish supremacists have weaponized a lot↗

1:40:27Speaker 2Of the A, of the NAACP, they were the ones who founded the ACLU or pretty much controlled it, chasing Christians around the country and running nativity scenes out of, out of, the public square. So I feel like, and, and I'm, I'm still not dismissing what you're saying, but I feel like that they do a pretty good job of, undermining both political parties and sort of the philosophical underpinnings of those parties. So isn't that fair to say that they, they kind of, they're, they're, they're in In there with both sides, aren't they, with the left too?↗

1:41:00Speaker 6A hundred percent, a hundred percent, that's exactly. Christian Zionism, trans, right? There's an equivalent for each thing. They take any opportunity they can get, right? And the things they can't, they, they antagonize. So it's just an infection in America, and leftist America is part of America, and right America is part of America, and they're both infected Christian Zionists. Aren't traitors. They're tricked, they're brainwashed. People are now snapping out faster than ever, We don't wanna antagonize our own people because of these fucking rats. All right,↗

1:41:32@icon_libraso Emiru, then do you accept my challenge?↗

1:41:38Speaker 6Absolutely. All↗

1:41:38@icon_libraright, so you said you disagree with me, correct? So how do you define a traitor?↗

1:41:42Speaker 5Come on, bro, that's, that's weak-ass debate topic, bro. You wanna shut your mouth?↗

1:41:46@icon_libraShut your mouth,↗

1:41:46Ian Malcolmright?↗

1:41:48@joann_marieLet's just be, be respectful, please. Trey is, Trey is wonderful.↗

1:41:52Ian Malcolmso, AV, out of curiosity, if you want to have a, a formal debate- It's↗

1:41:57@icon_libranot a formal debate. I'm just gonna show him really quickly, it's literally gonna take two seconds how I can show- Okay.↗

1:42:03Ian MalcolmNo, go, go for it. But first, you have to walk up and digitally, you have to slap him in this make-believe sense, intellectually speaking, with either a glove or something else to engage the, the formal debate challenge, I Well,↗

1:42:18@icon_libraAmiri, well, Amiri said he dis- disagrees with me, so yeah, here, I'll, I'll tap his glove and I'll, I'll show him respect if he's not a traitor. So yeah, here's a tap of the glove. Amiri is wonderful. All right, then here's a tap of the glove. You gonna tap it back? Are you gonna be a, you know what, tap my glove. Come on, tap it, tap it.↗

1:42:37Ian MalcolmHe's giving, giving↗

1:42:42@icon_librayou the, he's giving you the whole, he's giving you Alright, so how- Alright, for the↗

1:42:49Ian Malcolmformat, both sides will get sixty seconds and we will do two rounds of it. AV, you get to go first. Ready, set, go.↗

1:42:55@icon_libraNo, I just wanted a free back and forth. It's gonna take like two seconds.↗

1:43:01Speaker 6Nothing is two seconds with me, unfortunately.↗

1:43:03Ian MalcolmNope. We're gonna do it formal, sixty seconds. Joanne, do you have, do you have the stopwatch ready? We will do this in a formal fashion to keep it nice and tight.↗

1:43:12@icon_libraOkay, sure.↗

1:43:13Ian MalcolmOkay. Alright, alright. So Joanne's gonna get the timer, and with that, AV, you get sixty seconds when Joanne jumps in with, Bon Jovi or some other musical thing, that will be your time to stop.↗

1:43:26@icon_libraAlright, well, that completely just destroyed what I was gonna do. I was gonna walk him through a logical step to show how Dean Withers and how a whole bunch of these people are traitors to our nation. So that completely destroyed what I was just gonna do there.↗

1:43:36Speaker 6But no, you have sixty seconds, do it.↗

1:43:40@icon_libraWe↗

1:43:44Speaker 6an enemy of the state could be someone spying, could be someone, you know, killing or plotting or circumventing the country in any way. Okay. I don't have the formal definition.↗

1:43:54@icon_libraOkay, so if a leftist were to tell me, okay, let me ask you this, do you believe we're on stolen land?↗

1:44:02Speaker 6All land is stolen, so- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do↗

1:44:04@icon_librayou believe America is on stolen land? Answer the question.↗

1:44:12@icon_librathat silence. I don't know how to↗

1:44:18Speaker 6answer this.↗

1:44:22@icon_libraNo, no,↗

1:44:26Speaker 6I don't wanna get into↗

1:44:27@icon_librathe details, but↗

1:44:28Speaker 2I'm actually, I'm, I'm actually kinda surprised that you would consider it stolen because radical leftism is, there is no property rights, right? I mean,↗

1:44:35@icon_librano, no, land belongs to God. No, David, I'm trying to destroy him. No, what are you doing? We're↗

1:44:40Speaker 2not gonna destroy him. We're just- No, I'm just saying↗

1:44:42Speaker 6everyone took land by force, and in terms of force, that's stolen, but that's everybody, so it's not like America is unique in that way, and↗

1:44:50@icon_libraso it We're already given America the original sin of that we're on stolen land. So you're s-already saying that this country is illegitimate. That by definition,↗

1:45:02Speaker 6no humans have been on stolen land.↗

1:45:04@icon_libraWhat?↗

1:45:05@joann_marieAll↗

1:45:05Speaker 6humans are on stolen land. Are you still doing the↗

1:45:06@icon_libraminute thing?↗

1:45:06@joann_marieNo, right? You're not,↗

1:45:09Ian MalcolmI think, so here's what I would recommend, because otherwise this is gonna go around and around and around and around. So AV, you might not like the format, but we're gonna do sixty seconds. So, if this is still a debate that you would like to hold, you've been given some fodder for it, so why don't you take sixty seconds to declare your position and then maybe we can reject it? Alright, here,↗

1:45:26@icon_librahere's my, okay, here's my position. The reason why I called Dean Withers and Parker and all them traitors We are on stolen land, and pretty much saying that we don't have a right to this nation, and saying, and using the binary of oppressor versus oppressed. So they laugh at people like Charlie Kirk getting murdered because they see him as an oppressor, they see him as the amalgamation of whiteness, as Americanism, as inherently evil So when you say, "Oh, how could you say that Dean Withers is a traitor?" Well, if you say that this country doesn't belong to me or us Americans because it's on stolen land, and you say that this country doesn't belong to us,↗

1:46:13@icon_libraand you, you're pretty much giving people the right to take us out and murder us because you're putting us in the oppressor class, I call you a traitor, because our country has the right to exist. And, we are not evil by definition, because all countries have, like you said, all countries are- All right, next time.↗

1:46:37Speaker 6Alright. And I understand what you're saying, okay? And I'm not saying that being on stolen land, like, doesn't even matter, that doesn't mean that America doesn't belong to Americans, like, that's ridiculous, right? So I'm not saying that. And but the leftists aren't allowed, any American is allowed to be wrong about things. They're w- they're right to wanna improve their country, and they criticize their country as, as they do that, that's fine, that's protected under free speech. But they aren't hostile to their own country. About Charlie Kirk, first of all, the tensions between the right and left are insane. When, Alex Prud'homme got shot, and, and I think Rachel Good, I forget her name, Renee Good. they celebrated too on the right, didn't they? And that looked psychotic as hell, by the way. So, and with, with Charlie Kirk, he looked like a traitor because he served Zionism until the very end when he was waking up. So he is every American because of that, because he just fell into this thing anyone could fall into it. But he snapped out of it, and that's when they got him. So, yes, you represent every American that snaps out of it or knows too much, then you're on the right↗

1:47:39@icon_libratime. Okay, but again, Charlie Kirk, a lot of them just called him a fascist, and it wasn't just because of Zionism. They just literally said, "Oh, he was, he didn't agree with gay marriage, fascist. He didn't agree with the transgender thing, fascist." So you literally have to fall in line with the leftist cult or they give an excuse to execute you, to murder you, just like the Bolsheviks, okay? So again- Again, they are giving you this binary worldview of oppressor versus oppressed, and I wanna know, Amiru, do you believe in the neo Marxist worldview of oppressor versus oppressed? Do you believe that this is a white supremacist nation? And do you believe that this, this country needs to be dismantled?↗

1:48:21Speaker 6I don't think it needs to be dismantled. I don't think it's a white supremacist nation.↗

1:48:27Speaker 6and-↗

1:48:30Speaker 2I will say though that I, I will say I think you're both on to something. I, I, I reject the term traitor because it's really just an accusation that doesn't, isn't very useful. I will say there is such a thing as betrayal of principles, and betrayal of principles in what direction? In the direction of our actual oppressors, the Jewish supremacists. And I'm sorry to say A-AVR, but Charlie Kirk was doing that. I mean, you know, he wasn't doing that. But I agree, Emory, with, with AVR. If you, you said yourself, "Well, all land, land is stolen," well, that means that no land is stolen, right? It denudes the meaning of the word. If everything is high, then nothing is low. Do you see what I'm saying? Then the word doesn't mean anything anymore. So I would say that AVR is onto something if you admit this concept, and I use the same phrase, AVR, by↗

1:49:20Speaker 2That you are just wrong for the, your immutable characteristics are the ground upon which you're standing, well then they own you. You're giving away something that's really precious, don't you think, Don't you think, Emiro, that it's sort of a dangerous, it's really bad rhetorically to say, "Well, I'm standing, you're right, I'm standing on stolen land, and so I deserve what, what comes to me." Don't you think that that, that naturally follows? You're giving- No,↗

1:49:46Speaker 6I think it's just a, it's kind Dismantle your own country? That's ridiculous. Well, I'm not on stolen↗

1:49:53Speaker 2land, and it's not objective if you say all land is stolen, right?↗

1:49:56Speaker 6No, I mean, most land or whatever, like, it, it through conquest and war and all of that, but what, like, I mean, it doesn't matter in this case. It doesn't mean that a country needs to be dismantled, but, you know what the ma-the core issue here is, we can simplify it to Dean Withers. So why is he a traitor? I would like to know.↗

1:50:15@icon_libraIf he believes we're on stolen land, but since he and Parker, agree on a lot, Parker, I did get Parker to admit that he believes we're on stolen land, that this country is a white supremacist nation that needs to be dismantled and changed. So I believe that if I would consider them a traitor, be-because again, if you don't believe in the foundation of this country, if you don't believe this country should exist, then you, by definition, are a traitor because you don't want this country to flourish, you don't want this country to expand and become better, you don't even think it should exist.↗

1:50:51Speaker 6But is that his position though? I don't think that's his position. If you↗

1:50:53@icon_librabelieve we're on stolen land. And you believe that we are a white supremacist nation, and that white people are oppressors, and that we should just open the floodgates and let illegal immigrants in and have, amnesty, and you believe ICE agents are the Gestapo, and you believe enforcing the border is racist, and you, and you think all these things-↗

1:51:13Speaker 4I don't know, I'm having a harder time coming across marijuana.↗

1:51:16@icon_libraAre you re-what, just- What? So again, that's why I'm trying to get your worldview, because Dean Withers, I've already debated him. He has no moral framework because he said he was a subjective, a, a, a, a, a, what'd you say? He said he was a secular objectivist, which already doesn't make sense because you can't have objective morality as a secularist, because it all boils down to your preferences. The only way you can have-↗

1:51:46Speaker 6No, that's not true at all.↗

1:51:48@icon_libraI can actually debate you about that, but again-↗

1:51:50Speaker 6Okay, well, I'll give you my, I'll give you my, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,↗

1:51:54@icon_libraone second. All I'm saying is, I've already debated him, about that, because again, it all boils down to your principles. What do you feel is right? And it comes from your culture, where you were born, all these different things, and it comes down to two questions: what is the truth and what isn't the truth? And the only way you can get the real truth is↗

1:52:18@icon_libraThe rest is preference. By↗

1:52:20Speaker 2definition, that would be subjectivist.↗

1:52:21@icon_libraNo, no, by definition, that would be objective, because God is the obj- gives you objective morality. If there is no God giving you moral good and evil, then everything is just preference, what you feel is good, what you feel is evil.↗

1:52:36Speaker 2No, that's not so, because nature is 100% consistent, consistent, and morality follows that consistency, and it has to exist in logical space. Wait, wait, so probably, probably a deeper discussion than we should want to have now. No, let's↗

1:52:50@icon_libradebate that, because what we-- No, let's debate↗

1:52:51Speaker 2that. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to end up giving a moral philosophy-- I'm going to end up giving a moral philosophy class, and I don't want to do that. And hold on one second, I want to go to AM I own a house, the land I am, I'm on is stolen. Then what moral right do I, first of all, what, if I stole it, is the person living that I stole it from,↗

1:53:15Speaker 2is that what it is? Is it no longer stolen as a result of the fact that I owned it and my parents owned it or is it still stolen? I↗

1:53:24Speaker 6think, okay, okay, here's my answer. we have a dark past as humans and we've, we've evolved. And we don't do that shit anymore, and we've stopped. Well, everybody but I'm speaking,↗

1:53:34Speaker 2but yeah, the rest of us. I mean, there, there are certainly people↗

1:53:38Speaker 6still doing it. And except the Jews, who are now acting in an archaic way, that's why they're so problematic. Okay, so,↗

1:53:42Speaker 2so am I, but the land I'm on, I own a house. Is that stolen? Is that still-- Is the status of that land that I'm on still stolen?↗

1:53:51Speaker 6No. Let me put it this way.↗

1:53:53Speaker 2Okay.↗

1:53:53Speaker 6through historical context, it↗

1:54:01Speaker 2Right? So, w-what, so obviously there was just a dearth of people here in this vast, on both continents, North and South America, and the archipelago between them, archipelago. So my question is, what dearth of number would you consider it not stolen? If there were just one person, 'cause these tribes obviously fought back and forth and killed each other and ran each other off the land, so if there were just one person standing on the entire continent and we showed up, would he be able to claim all of that as his? Would it still be stolen if we↗

1:54:31Speaker 2I mean, like, that's funny, only if you were non-white. I would. Only if you were non-white. That's a funny situation. Well, anyway, I just wanted to-- I'm, I'm not, I'm not sort of doing the You know, the, the thing where I'm plucking the hairs from the beard until it's not a beard, but I'm trying to understand, like, how is that-- Do you think that the land is stolen now, or do you think that originally it was stolen and now it's just whoever owns it, it's- Yes, exactly. Oh, yeah.↗

1:54:56Speaker 6The rules have changed though, but choose one to kind of turn back time and be like, "Hey, can we get our chance to do that thing that we stopped↗

1:55:01@icon_libradoing?" No, but that's why I was asking you. Do you↗

1:55:07Speaker 6Like I said, legally not stolen, but like objective reality, like just so I know in my brain so I'm not lying to myself. Hey, we're-↗

1:55:14@icon_libraOkay. Are you, are you Muslim? Like, what are you?↗

1:55:18Speaker 6Ex-Muslim, I'm agnostic. Okay.↗

1:55:20@icon_libraDo you believe the, the Muslims in Saudi Arabia are on stolen land?↗

1:55:29Speaker 6I don't know, the Saudi history as much, so I can't really make any claims about that. Oh, oh, so, so you↗

1:55:33@icon_libradon't know of all those different Muslim, conquests and wars, all the different Muslims that have won over-↗

1:55:40Speaker 6Certainly most of the, yeah, all that, most of it probably.↗

1:55:42@icon_libraMost of it, more like all of it. Okay, all↗

1:55:49@icon_libraof it is fine. So, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait↗

1:55:57Speaker 6If you asked me about Japan, I would have said the same thing. I made a mistake earlier and said all land, and I, and I said, "Oh, actually, most..." You're a subverter. That's what I, I made a mistake. You're a↗

1:56:04@icon_librasubverter. I knew, I, I could... What? I just admitted my mistake. I, I could smell you from over here, subverter. He's↗

1:56:11@joann_marienot a subverter. Like, I, I know him, like his, his↗

1:56:16@icon_libraline. Well, you wanna know how? Because he started def—defending↗

1:56:21Speaker 6I hate Saudi Arabia, I would never defend it. I'm just telling you, hey, I don't know the history, I'm allowed to not know. But↗

1:56:26@icon_librayou literally just said two seconds ago that all land was stolen, but then you're like, "Oh, I don't know."↗

1:56:30Speaker 6I know, and it was a mistake, and then you guys corrected me, and I was like, "Yeah, I guess it's not all," 'cause I don't really know every single country's history, but like generally speaking, from what I've learned most.↗

1:56:39@icon_libraAll?↗

1:56:41Speaker 6Yeah, I made a mistake↗

1:56:43Speaker 2But we're also talking about land that predated the existence of countries, too, my friend.↗

1:56:49@joann_marieYeah, and Saudi Arabia was, made by Saxe-Picot, so-↗

1:56:54Speaker 3And AVR doesn't seem to understand conceptually that only whites can be oppressors and blacks can't be racist. Weren't you taught this from kindergarten through university, my god?↗

1:57:06@icon_libraWell, the name's AV, but yeah, that's, yeah, it's neo-Marxism, but yeah.↗

1:57:13Ian MalcolmLet's go to, let's go to Mighty Thor, and then we're gonna check in with the Gavna down there. Lots of love to him, happy to have him with us. But let's go to Mr. Thor.↗

1:57:22Speaker 3Ian, Joann, and my favorite, favorite, philosopher and Shia, David, he always raises my mighty Thor. My favorite. Doesn't realize it. my Han Sibachi has arrived, my bulgogi ribeye marinated over rice, I'd rather eat this than listen to myself talk. Great space. Are you really having↗

1:57:44Speaker 2a ribeye? Yeah.↗

1:57:46Speaker 3That is↗

1:57:46Speaker 2a tremendous cut. Did you grill it?↗

1:57:48Speaker 3No, it's from a Hansabachi here in San Francisco. Very thinly sliced and marinated over a period of days, it is their number one dish. So I'm gonna stuff my face and listen intently, thanks my friends.↗

1:58:01Ian MalcolmHang on, before you do, mighty Thor, I'm curious for some entertainment if you have a second. Could you share with us the most ridiculous thing that happened to you over the last week in, San Francisco?↗

1:58:15Speaker 3Oh God. I'll ponder that over this meal because nothing has happened to me now that I, I think about it. I, I live a, an uneventful existence. I'm home ninety-nine percent of the time in a very conservative, family-oriented neighborhood, and there are no pooh-pooh patrols or rainbow flags or pride progress flags to be seen, luckily. And all of the homeowners are really sick. Of this cultural Marxism, which is the, the term I would give to what I w- always referred to as the divide, which is what the Jews do. They go into any city, state, nation, and they, they toss in, they inject the divide and conquer unholy hand grenade of cultural Marxism, which essentially pits all of the woke radical feminists, the disgruntled minorities, the illegals, the Jews, certainly the ideological leaders Of all of the, isms they create for said people, and they are always turned against the founding majority, parent demographic of a nation. So what does that mean in America? And even where I, I have lived all my fifty-five years, the white Christian or European, synonymous majority, the gun owners, the conservatives, the people that believe in law and fucking order and actual morality. By the way, just to correct, in Amiru, he looks like a young- Young Karl Marx, doesn't he, in his new photo, I must say. He unfollowed me. I'm not gonna cry over it. We do have differences of opinion. I think it's silly that people get upset. It's a leftist phenomenon. They get their feelings hurt when someone disagrees with them, but I'm still following him↗

2:00:00Speaker 7I think, if I'm-- No, no, no, he blocked me. No, my, my, I would never↗

2:00:03Speaker 8unfollow you, bro.↗

2:00:04Speaker 7But let me finish. Amira, I want to get-- Just↗

2:00:07@joann_mariedon't get snooked all the time, my dear.↗

2:00:09Speaker 7Okay, okay, I forgive me then. I want to finish this dish. So that's what's happening here, you know, they're attacking Whitey because they are who we, I'm↗

2:00:21Speaker 7a↗

2:00:25Speaker 7attack, you know, China, they had their great leap forward, their Chinese Cultural Revolution, nineteen fifty-eight to nineteen sixty-two, wherein seventy plus million Chinese, and, and as Ian referenced, their four olds, their culture, their heritage, their traditions were vilified and destroyed. and just like they did then, they would vilify in China this same bol-- the term you guys are using, this Bolshevik revolution, they would vilify the ninety-two point seven percent Han Chinese majority of heterosexuals and people that had sound, families and were law-abiding and probably had a degree of prosperity to them. That is what these Jews do, and I think they've been doing it for the bulk of their three thousand three hundred year history. Now that I'm actually Gabbing, I just wanna comment on what I was gonna bring up, so I'll take you kids. David, cover your ears, lad. I'll take the rest of you kids back to February eighth, nineteen twenty, over a hundred and sixty years ago, wherein the honorable retired Winston Spencer Leonard Churchill wrote an article entitled "Zionism versus Bolshevism: The Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People," and he remarked in this lengthy article, I don't have time to dig it up, you should all per- Peruse it when you get a chance. He found, "Wow, isn't it remarkable how on every side of the aisle and at the head of every movement and ideology, the Jewish people lead the way, and they oppose each other. But what he didn't mention in the article, and what we who are awake, German erwacht, red pilled, we know that these ideologies exist.↗

2:02:11Speaker 7And diametrically opposed to each other so that they control both sides of every argument, the political aisle we see it in every movement in our politics, and, you know, even if you wanted-- on that note, if you wanted to run as an independent candidate or you defied Zionism on the right or communism on the left, you would be destroyed. So here's the point I wanna make, you know, the Bolshevik Revolution of October 1917, led physically by the- Taylor from New York, Lev Davidovich Bronstein, he went by the name Leon Trotsky, and that Bolshevik revolution, by the way, Bolshevik means in Russian, one of the majority, Menshevik means one of the minority, and after that Bolshevik revolution succeeded, which be- was the beginnings of sixty-nine years of USSR communism, and actually the founding of that nation in nineteen twenty-two by the true ideological leader of, the Bolshevik Of revolution, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. So two things come to mind. He did away with the term Bolshevik, I think we should henceforth do away with the term Bolshevik, because at that moment, when he did away with that term and created the USSR, he also founded the Communist Party. So in essence, we could look at that February eighth, nineteen twenty document Churchill penned and call it Zionism versus Communism, the struggle for the soul of the Jewish people. And all- All of the revolutions we have seen, I mean, count them with me, 1917 Russia, then they migrated down to Germany throughout Weimar Republic's 1919 to 1932 era, and all of their destructive ideologies, right? The Institute of Sexology founded by,↗

2:03:58Speaker 7Magnus Hirschfeld and his gay psychiatrist partner Arthur Kronfeld in nineteen nineteen Berlin, and, and, and they had the same anti-Fa Jewish communist militia throughout that era. The only reason why that Bolshevik revolution, let's call it a communist revolution, failed is because one, Adolf Eulowis Hitler rose to power on January thirtieth nineteen thirty-three, ten days after my late father was born, just a few hundred kilometers to the south, in Frei French speaking Switzerland, but so that's the only reason why it didn't succeed there, and there have been a number of, as you guys would say, Bolshevik or communist revolutions, and that's, that's what these Jews do. What, they tried one in Vietnam, they're all proxy wars in trying to get the European or white diaspora of Christians to kill each other off. We see it in Ukraine and Russia today, we saw it between, well, you know, the North Vietnamese and the South Vietnamese, still, it was a proxy war between the USSR and America. Same with Korea in the fifties, fifty to fifty-three. Vietnam in the sixties. I mean, and then World War two, of course. How many of us died then? Well, four hundred and ten thousand US servicemen, four hundred and fifty thousand English servicemen, seven and a half million Germans, although three and a half million were civilians. So I'll just leave it at that. That's what they do. They create this division, they rule through what I just referred to as divide and conquer cultural Marxism. And it's unfortunate, it's unfortunate that we can't just all recognize this. I think we do in spaces, but they control the messaging through the Zionist Jewish owned and occupied mainstream media. And by the way, one more correction from my best buddy, Amiru here.↗

2:05:45Speaker 7He said that something about the left are vilified in every communist revolution. Oh my God, how could I forget the nineteen thirty-six to nineteen thirty-nine Spanish Civil War, where in the nationalist forces led by General Francisco Franco and his partner, the Roman Catholic fanatics or Falangists as they were called, they fought and defeated the communists once again. Thirties, I mean, that's what it's all about. It's always nationalists versus the communists. And we know that nationalists are generally right wing, so that's where I disagree with Amira. They want to destroy right wing, conservative, heterosexuals that are in power in every city, state, nation they come across, okay? They're not after the leftists. The leftists are the weaponized golems, whether they're young black males in America or Pakistani Muslims in the UK or maybe Syrian migrants in Germany, and in Canada, I believe they are, Indian Hindus. But I digress, that's enough misinformation from me. And thanks for letting me chime in, I shall listen and enjoy my din din. Have a great night, my friends.↗

2:06:57Speaker 9Hey, so, Marty, I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the reason why I don't use the word "communist" is 'cause I feel like a lot of people have sugarcoated that term. And the reason why I call them by what they really are is to show people is that they're responsible for killing sixty-five million white Christians. They are the Bolsheviks. They are evil. They are evil personified. if, if they're just like, "Oh, I'm a communist, man," like, "I'm a communist. I'm just a hippie You know, I'm just gonna like smoke some weed and I just wanna like give money to everyone. I feel like they've, they've cheapened that word. I feel like↗

2:07:34Speaker 7they-- Oh, let me quickly agree with you, AV report, so I can get back to general. I just wanna listen to you guys. By the way, before I-- Well, so we helped mistakenly. what did, Julian Assange say? All of the wars fought and fomented by the, you know, who's through the twentieth century until now are the result of mainstream media lies, or let's just say, The Jews and Their Lies, written by, Martin Luther, and with his Protestant Reformation in fifteen seventeen, or,↗

2:08:07Speaker 7you know, Henry Ford, the international Jew. I mean, that's what they do. they lie. Oh, Napoleon, eighteen o eight. Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, the Jews survive via a strategy of lying, and he actually issued three decrees. I'm almost done, Amira and Avi. Three decrees, okay, laws, and the third of which in eighteen o eight was "All Jews, his words, not mine, I don't mean to sound like an anti-Semite, and here, and forgive me, Father, for I have sinned, it's been twenty-three years since my last Roman Catholic confession. I'll get to penance, I imagine I'll have to do fifty thousand two hundred and And fewer are fathers. But so we helped the communist USSR win World War II, and that is why communism is spreading everywhere, and there are a lot of young people, as you lads and lasses have pointed out, that embrace communism, especially as the capitalists are hoarding wealth and assets and real estate throughout the entire Western world. Hello, BlackRock, you know, State Street and Van-- or Vanguard and State Street, twelve, ten, and eight trillion dollars in managed assets Assets, et cetera. The American Dream is dead. Larry Fink himself said the USA is destined to become a nation of renters. Hey, kinda like that 1958 book penned by JFK, A Nation of Immigrants. Why did he do that? The head of the AEL at the time, Abel Epstein, I think. Gave him his, gave him funds to run for president in nineteen sixty, and so he wrote that book, A Nation of Immigrants, and that's what too many people have bought into, AV report, I'm agreeing with you, America isn't a nation of immigrants, no nation should be, especially exclusively a nation of imm-immigrants. A nation should be, for the people to have their progeny, their lineage, and, you know, w-w- I'll, I'll leave it at that. Holy fuck, I- Talk too much, thanks.↗

2:10:07Speaker 9And I completely agree, like you're talking about, we aren't a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of white European settlers. I mean, if you look at, what was it, the, what was it, the 1790 Naturalization Act? It talks about the first ever naturalization of an American citizen was of that of white people. So again, it's not racist, it's history, it's reality. And if Japan can have the Japanese, if China can have the Chinese, why can't white people have their majority country?↗

2:10:44Speaker 7Because the Jews say so, and they fear us as a result of our history of Jewish expulsion. Where is truth teller FTM when you need 'em? Since- Since the year 245 A.D. there have been 1,034 expulsions, and I'm eating with my mouth half full. Fuck, I'll, I'll stop.↗

2:11:04Speaker 9I, I enjoy talking to you. I don't know you, but I'm gonna give you a follow, Mighty. I think you're, I, I agree with what you're saying. So yeah.↗

2:11:10Speaker 8Hey, Ian, do you mind if I pitch in real quick since Mighty mentioned me? And then let's go to Governor. Sure, I'll try to be quick here, but, like I said, I didn't unfollow you, man. I just keep getting nuked. But they don't want me going public, you know? I'm not even interested in, in being a big voice, but like, they just, they, they, they have a Hollywood brain, they can't help but recognize talent, and they're like, "This guy is a threat," or, "I don't know," but, yeah, I followed you back, and, you know, you're offensive,↗

2:11:45Speaker 8That's not what I think the left is, for sure. and I'm, I'm not saying the left is particularly vindicated by Jews, I'm saying America's infected and they're infecting the left and the right in whatever ways they can. They found a loophole with the trans thing and the gender movement, and they found Christian Zionism with the hardcore, you know, Christians. So they-↗

2:12:06Speaker 9Well, Amiri, let me ask you this. What do you agree with, with the modern leftists today? Because I can, I can pretty much see if you are the new Bolshevik or not, because you already couldn't answer. Anyway, let's just,↗

2:12:20@joann_marielet's just↗

2:12:20Speaker 9move on to, to↗

2:12:20@joann_mariethe next question. Well, I mean, the↗

2:12:22Speaker 9whole space is about neo-Bolsheviks, 'cause he literally- Yeah, he,↗

2:12:25@joann_mariehe's not a neo-Bolshevik though.↗

2:12:27Speaker 9No, but like, he couldn't answer the question if we were on stolen land. I mean, he sort↗

2:12:33Speaker 9I feel like I could expose this guy pretty quick. I, I mean, it sounds like you guys like him, so I won't expose him. Okay, he literally did respond multiple times though. All right, all right, I'll put, I'll put the metaphorical knife down, I'll let him go. Okay. Thank you.↗

2:12:46@joann_marieAnd guys, please repost this, please, and follow Ian and David and, and our amazing speakers, and thank you, and oh, and also if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. So thank you so much for being here. Alright,↗

2:13:02Speaker 10Can I help y'all break bread? 'Cause everyone's right in here. Let's go back to Kalerji and then we'll look at the protocols real quick, and he's gonna explain everything that we're watching play out even in this room. in practical idealism, the, one of the first parts, it's early in the book, he identifies basically a successor to kings in general is not by land, but by shaping culture. Like literally talking about forming culture, technology, morality, okay? This is clarity. This guy fucked all the countries up. This book burned, right? Let's go a little bit further,↗

2:13:41Speaker 10different book, "Confucian Pan Europe," I believe it is. I don't know how to say it. Section two, democracy is only valid when guided by excellence. So this is-- and, and I'm repeating what they're saying, I'm not-- this isn't my view, okay? This is their, their doctrine. This is how these coun- this is how all of our countries have been overwhelmed and eventually subverted, okay?↗

2:14:06Speaker 10let the masses choose among noble ideals, not base instincts. And the whole point of that is that- Unelected institutions, think tanks, NGOs, all that shit, that's what shapes the political opinions that are even available to democratic voters. Okay? So very early on, it's, it's being talked about controlling choices, and I chose to study media as my thing, you know, it's just what, what I've been passionate about, and the most, my favorite- Theory within media is agenda setting, because you don't have to control people's minds, you just put a couple of choices in front of them, and they inadvertently will choose one of those choices. That's called agenda setting. Both the right and the left in this country are agenda set by Zionists, by Jews, by horrible fucking people, okay? That means everybody's thoughts are directed in the direction of these awful options, just like Klergy wanted, right? They're following a playbook, okay? Now let's go down to the protocols because these have all been, what I call, retrospectively validated, okay? The first, the first one basically lays out↗

2:15:24Speaker 10The, the, the central claim is that political freedom is a tool for destabilization. Okay? Our country is perfect for that because we are based on individual freedoms granted by God. So we got these little fucking parasite pirates that come in here and they go, "Ooh," they rub their hands together and they go, "We got an equal say as all these other natives." And then they come in, they employ the Kalerji doctrine, and they start fucking stuff up. And so that's how it goes from being free to then choosing between a couple of these shitty options, which I don't know how long you guys have all been alive, but all shitty options, okay? And that's why you sit here with Trump and Clinton and Biden and Trump and all these other stupid fucking options, they win either way. We, we all understand that, right? And, and so to sit here and, and judge your fellow countrymen because they have been agenda set And they have been subverted in their thought process so that they aren't appealing to their own base instincts, but to authorities that have been set in front of them. You're not mad at your fellow countrymen, you need to look a little bit further. Beyond the, the couple trees in front of you to see the forest to go, my God, everyone has been brainwashed. Now, there, there's a lot of us that have escaped this, this, event horizon of, of, of thought, right? But we all see a lot of people who don't. And on this app, it's a, it's a war zone with those agenda setters And, and those who will consume, and those who will repeat, and all of that shit. But you must be able to discern the people that are actually setting the agenda and the people that are regurgitating something that's in front of them because they don't know what to do. Alright? Now the left and right, they obviously have different values, and, and I say that↗

2:17:14Speaker 10You know, reaching back into this country, right? Conservative versus liberal, and you can say whatever, you know, what, what do you want that to mean? It doesn't mean what it means now, okay? Now it's, it's been, been complete bastardized, both positions. The, the right is all Zionist-friendly shit, the left is all, Prodded, bear, you know, right? Like they're just-- there's people being poked left and right in every other way, and there being an agenda set with who their enemy is. It's not the Jew, they, they, they scapegoat the whites, right? And on the right, every problem seems to, to originate in, in the individual immigrant or the individual dissident to their doctrine, as a lefty, right? But that's not true.↗

2:17:57Speaker 10It's, it, it's, it's put in front of us. And, and I don't, I don't, I don't believe that we see progress by sitting here picking apart those who are individually impacted by the greater apparatus that has agenda set these two sides. And that's why I think, you know, right now it's very easy to see that everyone going, "Oh, it's Trump's work, it's Trump's work." What is that for? It's so they get the fucking lefties yelling at the righties. It's so that when you associate Trump with it, the righties that are still, you know- Eating it up, they defend it.↗

2:18:31Speaker 10This, this is not what we are meant to, to, to believe or, or discuss amongst each other. This room, what we're talking about is what we, this country, ought to be talking about. The analogs to Bolshevik Russia, very pertinent. This is what we need to be talking about. But as we go left and right, we get stuck in the weeds, and you end up thinking some dumbass across the room who's been fed a bunch of bullshit is the bad guy. Because you, you, you look at them and you go, "My God, there's too many of them. They're all bad, and in aggregate, they're what's destroying this country." But that's not correct. It's the people who are agenda-setting those people, giving them a bunch of shitty options of beliefs, and it turns out this is doctrine that has destroyed countries in the past, that's been-- it's, it's been in text for a long time. This is stuff that we have visibility to now, so we are privileged in understanding that, and I would expect almost better of Room, no offense to this room, but like, we don't need to be going back and forth calling one guy in here because he disagrees and operative or whatever, a subversive, and, and, and it doesn't need to go to that. We're, we're generally, we're, we're genuinely sitting here,↗

2:19:44Speaker 10you know, I, I think we are articulating what our analogs are. It is Bolshevik Russia, okay? And, and they used a lot of Marxist,↗

2:19:55Speaker 10What am I trying to say? constructs to, to frame a lot of stuff, right? And then, and then once you, once you put things into those boxes, people are agenda set and they have to choose on those options. But they've been choosing Marxist fucking options. We're talking about racism and, and stolen land and shit like that. None of that fucking matters. None of it matters. What matters is that we understand what our sovereignty is requiring at this moment. That's all that matters. Understanding the enemy, understanding what they've done in the past and their methodologies, and where our analogs are and where we are on that timetable is what's important. It's not the dumbass across the room who's eating slop, no matter the color of the slop. If it's red or blue slop, it's slop. And I guess I'm just gonna leave it at that, because you can't really argue against the protocols or the Klergy shit. All of that stuff has been employed, all of that stuff can be retrospectively validated, and all of it has con-con-contributed to destroying empires. And this is, this is where we are. So I, I suggest we figure out how to hold hands with our fellow countrymen, because I am with Amiru that it isn't our countrymen, they're all enemies.↗

2:21:05Speaker 10It's, it's not. That, that doesn't-- there's no resolution to that except total destruction, which is what they want. That's, that's the, that's the harvest that they want. That's why they're so active in this conversation, that's why they're making fucking movies about civil war and all this other bullshit. They're trying to agenda set and shove those ideas in and prime us so that when they pull the lynchpin, everyone goes lizard brain and then they react because they've been primed. But this, this, this kind of conversation where we're actually talking about historic analogs and then deriving where that, that activity came from and that intention lies, that's how you defeat this. That's the conversation you need to have with someone that you disagree, and you actually do need to go out of your way to go talk to people that you disagree with, because, you know, I, I see the lefties, they're getting their fucking asses whooped at the protests.↗

2:21:55Speaker 10I don't see any righties getting, getting their asses whooped. They're sitting there, they're sitting there, They're almost like, they're, they're almost into it. You know, I saw a video today, fucking car ran this chick over waving a flag, the flag was upside down, she doesn't like what's going on in the country, and all the fucking comments are like, "Oh, was the car okay?" And all this shit. They're all talking shit about the person. That person is protesting, and your pussy ass isn't. ICE is the Bolshevik Red Army two point oh. They are the ones who have been militarized in our streets. They have DHS-evolved Patriot Act Capabilities, you're within a hundred miles of the border. Guess what? You better do what the fuck they say or they'll put a bullet in your head and they'll, they'll call you a domestic terrorist after the fact on TV. And a hundred mile border encompasses two thirds of the US population. That Red Army is here.↗

2:22:42Speaker 10Stop making fun of each other and start figuring out how to bridge that gap, because it's a, it's a bunch of people who don't understand what's going on, and they can't escape with the velocity required, the propaganda that's being shoved at them. And I don't need to sit here and talk about the propaganda. They got an almost three quarter billion dollar fucking budget on propaganda just to make themselves look good. You think they're not trying to foment civil war and all this, all, all this other bullshit, all these race bait accounts that gets whites stuck on the idea that blacks are No, it's the fucking Jews, and it's the world Jewry, and it's Jewish supremacy, and it is their conquest through the manipulation of peoples. Generationally, that is the problem. So, I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys. Absolute↗

2:23:26Speaker 9banger, man. Who said, who said all that?↗

2:23:30Speaker 11who- Are you asking who the speaker was?↗

2:23:32Speaker 9Who was- It's↗

2:23:33@joann_marieGovernor Dianne.↗

2:23:35Speaker 11Yeah, real, real, real quick here, Joanne, I just wanna make the point of Governor-- First of all, I like the, the idea of retrospectively, the protocols of Zion being retrospectively validated. I'll try to remember that term because that's the way that I think about it when I read it now. It's like, "Well, look, if you argue the validity of this, look, it's all basically happened." So I like that term. But when you were talking, I thought about Architecture, you know, I thought about like ancient architecture, basically leaning one stone against another, and both of them collectively holding each other up to create shelter. And that is what Jewish supremacy is done by pitting left versus right, is the idea that we're pitted against each other, we're unwittingly creating that architecture within which that protects them. And so you're absolutely right, I think whenever we're-- we need to have more solicitude for one another, and we need to know that we're Being played. So I think that the, you're spot on, we need to be talking, if we're talking with these other groups, we need to let them know, look, you're unwitting accomplices to something that's not good for either of us. So great points, my friend, I enjoyed listening to that.↗

2:24:46Speaker 9So, so Governor, so- Thank↗

2:24:47Speaker 10you, David. And one, one other thing, real, real, real, real quick, and, you know, I, I, I recall, you know, with the race disrelevations, you know, black and white stuff, some of the more powerful black speakers, I, I recall, and I've seen in, you know, videos coming up online, like the, the powers that be, they fear most when, when the blacks and, and whites will hold hands. And like, yeah, they got a point. But you know who's really shitting their pants and doesn't want to hold hands? The Jews don't want the left and right to hold hands, because that's when we sit here and hold hands and go, "Fuck Israel, take all their fucking money, prosecute these motherfuckers," and we're gonna fucking, you know, make sure that their neighbors are just fine, because they've digged them dirty. And we, we have, Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Ian, Ian, hold on, hold on↗

2:25:35@joann_marieOkay, I'm, I'm gonna message him. And also, i-if it does crash, he will open. wait, are you back? Yeah? I think↗

2:25:41Ian Malcolmso. The, the audio cut out completely from, AG, and I wanna make sure I could hear him.↗

2:25:46@joann_marieOh, okay.↗

2:25:46Speaker 11Oh, yes. And it↗

2:25:47@joann_mariesaid that the host was having connection issues.↗

2:25:50Speaker 11Okay. And we have Israelis, governor on tape saying if the Muslim and the Christian ever- You know, love one another, ever get together, then we're done. So think about that.↗

2:26:05Speaker 9Right, but can I re- can I respond to the governor real quick?↗

2:26:11Ian MalcolmYeah, go for it. Debate him, bro. You can't.↗

2:26:14Speaker 9Well, I, I mean, I can debate him, but, again, I just wanted to respond, like, I agree with a lot- ABA is a↗

2:26:19Ian Malcolmmaster debater.↗

2:26:21Speaker 9yeah, master debater. Especially around 10 PM. Oh my god. It's a joke, it's a joke, it's a joke. But, anyways, so what I was gonna say was, I agree with a lot of your sentiment, and I, the reason why I was questioning Amiru like I was↗

2:26:41Speaker 9I don't know if you've seen Attack on Titan, they, they would always say, "The whole↗

2:26:43Speaker 8thing."↗

2:26:44Speaker 9Yeah, they would say, "For the cause, for the cause." Now, if your cause is to, to make this country better, then, awesome, we can unite. But if you, you fundamentally believe this country shouldn't exist, that it's on stolen land, and you don't think this c- like this country is illegitimate, then how can we have the same cause? If you think I'm your oppressor, and you think I'm evil, and you think↗

2:27:10Speaker 9I Or if you think I'm cattle, then how can we have, how can we fight the cause if, you know what I mean? So I, I love the whole cumbia, like, "Bro, right and left, let's work together, bro," but like, if you believe in the whole for the cause You have to believe in this country, you have to believe in a cause, you have to believe in pillars for us to create a foundation for us to work to something. But if you don't believe in this country, if you don't believe in a vision, if you don't believe in its people, if you don't believe in America, then what the fuck are we fighting for?↗

2:27:44Speaker 8And are you saying that I don't believe in America or the left doesn't?↗

2:27:47Speaker 9No, no, no. No, no, okay, again.↗

2:27:49@joann_marieBut↗

2:27:50Speaker 8it's↗

2:27:50@joann_marielike you're putting the entire left in one single box, it's like putting the entire right in a single box and saying like, "Oh, you and Ben and Mark Levin are in the same box." Like, no.↗

2:28:00Speaker 9No, that's why I was asking Amiru those certain questions to see if he was the new Bolshevik, but you guys wanted me to put down the sword, so I did.↗

2:28:09Speaker 8I see it.↗

2:28:09Speaker 10Look, That's my whole point in going on my little rant there, is that you can't litmus test individuals and then all of a sudden think that they're the bad guy, because that totally disregards the, the entire concept of agenda setting and the fact that these people aren't thinking on their own and they haven't been given the proper ingredients. And I haven't even gone into the fact that most people don't even know what the fucking Bolsheviks are, because they ruined our education system. Right? So like everyone has to be equipped to even have that conversation with you. Yeah, but you↗

2:28:43Speaker 12know what, Hey, hold on, I-I-I blocked sounds being removed. No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't even have to.↗

2:28:49Ian MalcolmIt's, it's the little guy. Isn't it really funny? He's, he's- It's Kaye Yee↗

2:28:53Speaker 7Jelly.↗

2:28:54Ian MalcolmYeah, it's, it's, it's very strange. Because, I mean, I don't know what to make of those types of nonsensical comments. He's welcome to, I, I, I suppose he's actually not welcome to make them, but,↗

2:29:06@joann_marieno, he wasn't. He wasn't doing that, Traciann. Of course not. I'm never gonna allow that. Yeah, no, no, of course not. It's↗

2:29:11Ian Malcolmjust very funny, it's very petty, it's very effeminate, it's very weak, it's exactly what I would do if I was a insecure little↗

2:29:18@malleusigtwit.↗

2:29:27Speaker 9Yeah, who was that? They're, they're a terrorist, they're threatening- Bobby↗

2:29:30@malleusigT. I have his account up here. It's at le- le200 and then looks like two underscores.↗

2:29:39Speaker 9So this is a, another warning sign of a Bolshevik, they feel like they can kill you because they disagree with you. No,↗

2:29:45Ian MalcolmI know that guy. No, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on. I know him. This isn't so two things. This person basically, regularly impersonates other accounts so they can come up here and they can make comments like that. that person actually, I'll tell you what It's the equivalent of the really small guy yelling from the back of the room that he's really tough. That's what this is. These are, these are lunatics. They have no audience, they're insecure, they're envious that there are people up on this panel who are delivering good points, talking about important issues, and they don't like the fact that nobody cares what they say. And so instead, they run around because it's the only thing that creates or begets any interest or attention in any capacity. And like was said before, some people are completely devoid of the ability to To have shame. That's what that is. Don't worry about these little hecklers, they're completely meaningless and trivial. That being said, as an individual, I think that that guy sucks, for what it's worth.↗

2:30:43Ian Malcolmhad plenty of debates and discussions with them back in the fourteen eighty-eight, days when I used to go into those very low IQ spaces, and, and that's what they are. These are low IQ people that are just looking for some kind of rise out of others. They won't get it here, and, And so we'll just continue moving on. But go create another account, go add a couple people so you can try and come back into a space 'cause apparently you have nothing better to do with your time. It's just pathetic. Well, Ian, this actually↗

2:31:12Speaker 9connects to the cause. Like, I care about you and you are actually very helpful for the cause, and when people make threat-threats to your life like that, you should take it seriously. So we↗

2:31:23Ian Malcolmshould- No, that, that, that, that person, they, they couldn't, they couldn't impact anything. 'Cause they're, they're small and they're weak, which is why they, feign strength.↗

2:31:34Speaker 9What does the Bible say? Pride comes before the fall. So I'm just saying you got- It always does. So I'm just saying you can- Little↗

2:31:39Ian Malcolmpeople scream really loud, and that's what that is. It's a, it's a zero. Let's move on.↗

2:31:44Speaker 9Alright, alright, I'm just saying.↗

2:31:47Speaker 8Yeah, I can address what you were saying, AVR, since you were talking to me. It's AV.↗

2:31:50Speaker 9Just call me AV.↗

2:31:53Speaker 8It's AV report, right? Not, so AV. I'm↗

2:31:56Speaker 9the, I'm the AV show or the AV report, but you can call me AV.↗

2:32:02Speaker 8Cool. So I don't think that white people are oppressive or evil, 'cause that's racist and stupid. And my experience is that most white people are, are really good people, and I, and I work almost exclusively with white people, so- But. and I don't think the entire left is against white people or, and a lot of them are psyop'd. You know, even think about John Stewart, who's like one of the most trusted newsmen back in the day. And the kind of things you would say about white people.↗

2:32:30@joann_marieYeah, it's not Leibowitz or something.↗

2:32:34Speaker 8What's that, Joann?↗

2:32:35@joann_marieHis last name is like Leibowitz or something like that.↗

2:32:37Speaker 8Leibowitz, exactly, yep. So I'm saying like, there's a lot, like, Governor was saying, he was spot on. These people have, they, they, they-- there's a agenda set, and they're-- all this, this is how I know John Stewart is subversive. All of this is-- all of this, frustration with how the government is acting, including with Iran, is directed at Trump, not the source. And, that's-- it's hard, John Stewart is like one of the most convincing skin suits I've ever seen, and I think he might be the↗

2:33:12Ian MalcolmI mean, let me, and you know what's really funny, it actually, it actually, and if you had your thoughts on this, because, it feels to me like Jon Stewart is the perfect rendition, because what he does is he runs around making very nonsensical points to try and push agendas, and then when com- let's say when anybody critiques those positions in a way that is, let, let's say data-driven or it's substantive He always falls back on, "I'm just a comedian," right? It, it, it, he will never take any accountability for the fact that he's merely up there as a propagandist who, oh, by the way, was aimed and designed specifically to propagandize the youth via humor. That's why he was literally on Comedy Central after a show about puppets, and he would use that as the line of defense. Oh, yeah, well, maybe I was wrong about some details, but I moved my agenda forward, and hey- Yeah, it's just comedy, right? It was, it, it, he's, he's absolutely to a T. He's, he's a propagandist, he's a Jewish supremacist, he's all of those things. And, and whenever it is convenient to switch positions or to critique the Democrats or the Republicans to advance Jewish supremacy, he would always do it. And, Ag, I'd be curious for your thoughts on that.↗

2:34:35Speaker 9Are you, are you talking to me?↗

2:34:36Speaker 10Yeah, that's, that's- No, sorry, my other account's AG. My bad. no, you're, you're abs- you're absolutely right, Ian. And, and this is the way, you know, media priming and agenda setting doesn't have to happen from a news organization. That's, that's not on- that's not the only way. It's not like you just, you're putting important shit in front of people. They want total media infiltration.↗

2:34:59Speaker 10Doesn't matter how that message gets in front of you, it doesn't matter, and you know what, the sneakier way is if you change that Jew's last name and you put him after a cartoon and make it a comedy show about news, right? Like, like exactly like you said. So, so the absolute, like, just relentless onslaught of this,↗

2:35:21Speaker 10this, this priming and, and agenda-setting of these horrid options of ideas It doesn't matter how they get them in front of you. It's, it's done through video games, it's done through movies, it's done through television, it's done through the news, it's done, we all know, on social media like fucking no other. So, so at this point, we are at like a climax of this, right? And it's starting to, to backfire on them, but there's still a lot of affected people. You have people who've gone their whole lives who, and they weren't exposed to the JP, and,↗

2:35:53Speaker 10and that, that, To, AV report down there, because you sound like a smart dude, you need to repackaged the i-ideals so that we are bridge building and you're educating people, because, you know, trying to, trying to figure out who's a bad individual because they've been indoctrinated isn't, isn't helpful. I mean, why, you're gonna knock down ten thousand of these idiots, and all of a sudden they're not contributing to the downfall of the country, but they have not stopped breeding, and, and the breeding has taken place on that indoctrination level Level. So unless we defuse that and, and deprogram that and, and figure out a rubric for doing that at scale, you know, I, I don't know if you've ever worked in a garden, but like, you can crush a couple pests all day, you can crush thousands of pests all day, if you don't solve the problem why you have the pests, they will just reproduce and multiply and they'll be back in two days. Yes, so you will waste all of your energy on the individuals without attacking the core problem. Now, if you scale the solution like I'm trying Educate people in a way where you're, you're telling people who the Bolsheviks were, and then you're articulating the analog that we're living, right? And then you expose them to what Marxism is, and oh my god, this fucking racism dog shit that you've been lapping up, it's just a way for you to hate other people that are just like you, who are just as oppressed by you, by the same fucking enemy. You start, you start unprogramming that stuff and you start educating people that way, you're gonna, you're gonna squash way more bugs than, than going one by one. Did, did you↗

2:37:25Speaker 9listen to the very beginning of this space? Because if you listen to the very beginning,↗

2:37:30Speaker 13I missed the beginning, I'm sorry. That's how↗

2:37:31Speaker 9I did that. Like I, I, I literally talked about how the old Bolshev-- Bolsheviks are literally symmetrical to the quote-unquote new Bolsheviks, and I literally posted a photo talking about the new warning signs of how to see a new Bolshevik And w- like, what are the warning signs? So again, I've, I've debated a whole bunch of people on the left to realize who, like, you can, like, try to, like, talk to and, like, where there's like no,↗

2:38:01Speaker 9like, like there's no way to, like, form a cause with them. Like if-↗

2:38:07Speaker 10Well, there's, there's reasons for that, too, right? Like, I mean, I'll go back into more media theory, right? The sunk cost fallacy. It's basically someone's been doing something for so long, they don't wanna, they don't wanna realize that it's been the wrong direction, right? So this lefty who's sitting there thinks they're, they're standing up for the, the blacks and the gays and the, and the whatevers, and you tell them all of a sudden you've been indoctrinated through Marxism so that you just hate all the↗

2:38:37Speaker 10I believe that I've been indoctrinated, and that's the, that's the case with the boomers. You're gonna have a hard time telling these people they've been lapping up bullshit for their whole life, because it's, you know, it's offensive to hear that, it sucks. You go, "Fuck, man, those are all my choices, dude." Like, "I, it was the left and the right, right?" So, so they get, they get their brain busted up when you tell them these things, and it is a process, but I promise it works,↗

2:39:05Speaker 10And repackage this, the, you know, the Bolshevism so that more people understand that, because right now what's everyone saying? Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, the right's are Nazis. I go, the right aren't fucking Nazis, they're Bolsheviks, you fucking idiots. There's a very big difference. And, and but that, that goes back to the priming. And, and these people, they don't know what the fuck to say. They're like, "Uh, I think the Nazis, the worst thing I know how to say." And, these Jews, who I don't know who are Jews, have their, have their names changed on TV, they keep repeating that, you know, the, the people in charge are Nazis right now. So I'm gonna repeat that. So, w- I don't know, I just think that, if we get a little↗

2:39:46Speaker 10bit↗

2:39:49Speaker 10Or at least get to the people who are influential upon their communities so that they can then take the torch and then finish off the education. You know, we're gonna do a lot more work than, than squashing the bad bugs one at a time because it's, it's just not It's not a sustainable solution if we really wanna get to the end of the garden without bugs. Well, I,↗

2:40:06Speaker 9I agree with you. Again, that's why I wanted to do that little quick debate with Amiru, so I could show you how his beliefs could be- He's not a↗

2:40:15@joann_marieBolshevik, bro. Like I'm telling you, he's literally not a Bolshevik.↗

2:40:19Speaker 9No, no, I'm, no, I'm, I'm just trying to sh-sh-show you if me and him could come to the same cause or not. I, I was just trying to get- Well,↗

2:40:29Speaker 11getting back to Governor's point of view, so Governor, you noticed the archetype of the left and the right, or rather, unappealing figures, right? I mean, the-- Look at what the archetype of the left is. They're a yelping, blue-haired maniac, absolutely just sort of anti-everything. And the right, the archetype of the right now is kind of this- It's kind of narrow-minded, kind of bigoted, kind of, war-mongering, but they don't actually represent anybody that stands outside of the paradigms that have been created by Jewish supremacy. They don't actually represent-- In fact, I always felt that way, and still to this day, feel that way living in my neighborhoods. I don't, I don't really see these archetypes out into the world. So why have they painted us? Why have they painted both of those archetypes as such unappealing figures? Because, of course, that creates more animosity. And if you are an infinitesimally small group of people, then in order to divide and conquer, I mean, animosity is kind of your thing. I will say that, you know, your analogy about kind of like the bugs and things, I think of it more as, are you treating the symptom or the disease? And when you, when you debate people at the disease level, if you go to the doctor and everything seems so confusing 'cause your elbow hurts and your knee hurts and, and your, you know, your foot hurts, the doctor would say, "Well, gosh, these Related, but we need to cut your arm off, cut your leg off, cut your foot off, you know? You know, it's like, but this doesn't make any sense. But if the doctor said, "Oh, you have a magnesium problem, you have a systemic problem," well, then it would all sort of be Copernican, right? It would like, "Oh, well, everything makes sense now." And so I think, if I can put myself in your safekeeping here, that what you're saying is that we should really address the actual disease, and if we talk↗

2:42:16Speaker 11to↗

2:42:21Speaker 11All at each other's, you know, that we're basically a grown-up version of Lord of the Flies, and we can't get along, which of course invites the tyrant, the Jewish supremacist, to come in and tell us all what to do.↗

2:42:34Speaker 10Yeah, I agree. But, and, and, and in that too, we do still have to point out those subversive main nodes, because if you can't do that, you're gonna have a really hard time, you know, explaining this to people. So You know, some of those main nodes in our government are, are pretty fucking easy to fucking, to, to spot, right? Like Kushner. My God. And then the main nodes in the media. You got Bari Weiss running fucking, what is it, CBS or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, yeah. And then The Atlantic. The fucking guy served in the, the IDF. He's editor in chief. He's editor in chief. Now, now go back, 'cause they had Jeff Goldberg served in the IDF to get his, his Israeli citizenship, and the guy's↗

2:43:16Speaker 10still Was syndicated all over the fucking place during COVID. So you got a Jew in charge of a media apparatus that then the other media stuff is picking up and syndicating that content. You know, it, it's, it really is, You gotta find the main nodes, I guess. If you're gonna go for the people and, and to call out the subversives, you gotta go for the big ones. And that's why I really loved what Jonathan did, because that's what he did. But↗

2:43:41Speaker 9Jonathan, but did you not just-- Okay, so what did you-- All those examples you brought up, what, what do you think the main foundation of our cause should be? Making our country better? What do you think? Why do you think the main question I asked Amiru was, "Do you believe we're on stolen If he doesn't even believe our country should exist, why should I work with someone who doesn't even believe in the foundation of our country? If I'm trying to make our country better, if I'm trying to make our, quote unquote, country great again, and I'm trying to work with someone who doesn't even believe our country should exist, that doesn't even make fucking sense. So yeah, that should be a node where you're like, "Hey,"↗

2:44:18Speaker 10Is that the best question you can ask if you're looking to actually make this country the best? A, a question that is a, a, a litmus test of a question that is based on a con- that Marxist construct, "This country, what the fuck does it matter if it was stolen?"↗

2:44:35Speaker 9No, it does matter because it, because it, no,↗

2:44:37Speaker 10no, no, no, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. It doesn't↗

2:44:41Speaker 9matter. It↗

2:44:41Speaker 10doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Let me answer. But look, it doesn't matter because if↗

2:44:45Speaker 9you- Who, who fost Because if you believe we are on stolen land, you don't believe that our country should exist.↗

2:44:54Speaker 8I don't think that, I don't think much of this. I don't agree with that. I don't↗

2:44:59Speaker 9agree with that. So if I put a gun to your face, and I steal your house, and I say, "Get the hell out of it," is it my house now? Or do you still like, or do you still feel like it's your house?↗

2:45:12Speaker 7In a blue city or state, yes, it is your house now.↗

2:45:16Speaker 9Do you feel like I have an illegitimate right to your house? Do you feel like I took your house wrongly?↗

2:45:20Speaker 8No, but it's more complicated when it comes to conquest and stuff. No, no, no, it's↗

2:45:25Speaker 9not. It's not complicated. It's not the same thing. No, no, no, no, no, it's not complicated. Oh my God, let's, let's just-- No, no, why are↗

2:45:33Speaker 10you guys trying to run from the point? Why are you guys keep, keep trying to run from this point? This is really pissing me off. Because Alright, we're in the 2000s, right? Like, who's talking, who's talking about stolen land and who's injected that into the political conversation? Is it just leftists, or is it the fucking Jews who have agenda set the leftists, who are repeating what they hear? It's↗

2:45:56Speaker 9both.↗

2:45:57Speaker 10That's a serious question for you, AV. Do you think that it is the leftists that are coming up with these unique thoughts on their own and they're the problem, or do you think that they're a gen- do you understand that they're a genocidal and they're regurgitating what they hear? That's a↗

2:46:08Speaker 9good question because the right and left are both, corrupt wings of the same bird, so they're both Jew. But I'm, I'm trying to make it more nuanced than just saying Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew. Not↗

2:46:19@malleusigan answer↗

2:46:23@malleusigto his question But also the right↗

2:46:29Speaker 9isn't, which is a complete↗

2:46:30@malleusigred herring.↗

2:46:31Speaker 9No, no, no. You need to listen to my answer fully. The left and the right are both,↗

2:46:39Speaker 9I guess what would you say? they're both, they're both creations, yeah, co-opted, subverted from, Judaism.↗

2:46:49@malleusigSure, but you've moved on from his original topic though. He asked you, he asked you the reason. No, no, I answered the original question. Hold on, hold on. No, do it, do it, do it. Hold on, let's just listen for a second, please. Okay? He pointed out that the, the reason why people say "You're living on stolen land" is, is-- those people are usually leftists, and they say it because↗

2:47:11@malleusigIt's like if I say, if I walk in your house and I say, "Listen, your toilet's, your toilet's flooding," and you say, "Yeah, I know, but like my sink is flooding too," it's like, "Yeah, okay, that's a, that's also a problem, but we need to focus on one thing at a time." And it doesn't-- The fact that your sink is flooding doesn't take away from the fact that your toilet's flooding in any way, shape, or form. So you're just, you're just being a pedantic--↗

2:47:37Speaker 9Like I didn't call you that. I didn't call you a fool. I said you're being one, or you're↗

2:47:44@malleusigacting like one. Like, call,↗

2:47:45Speaker 9call me whatever you want, that's fine.↗

2:47:47@malleusigBut you're being pedantic is the point.↗

2:47:49Speaker 9No, no, I'm not being pedantic, because again, the reason why I emphasize on this point is because if you try to go straight up to the Jew point, they're not gonna listen. They're gonna call you a Nazi for a while. They, they have↗

2:48:01@joann_mariebeen listening though, it's like↗

2:48:02Speaker 9super obvious right now, like,↗

2:48:04@joann_marieseriously,↗

2:48:04Speaker 9like, who doesn't see it? Oh, wait, wait, yeah, they've been listening so much that we've been losing our country more and more ever since JFK got shot in his fucking head by Mossad. Yeah, we've, yeah, they've been listening, no.↗

2:48:18Speaker 9Well, look, the left was more awake to it from the beginning. What are you talking about? They're getting more powerful.↗

2:48:23Speaker 14The left was more awake to it from↗

2:48:25@malleusigYeah, this is, this is, this is the same conversation we've had so many times. Oh, they're getting more powerful, oh, it's too late. You need to, to, to-- It's like, no, this shit has been going on since like nineteen, oh, nineteen forty-one, okay? I was just reading this morning, George, was it, what, what was Lindbergh for, Charles, Charles Lindbergh's speech, right? I was, 'cause this, Sarah recommended I read the Culture Critique, and I'm reading the introduction Right now, he's saying, he's not being hateful of Jews, he's not spouting anti-Semitism, he's just saying, "Listen, these guys have an agenda that's separate from ours." And then he got excoriated in the media for it because, guess what? The Jews controlled the media back then, too. The same thing is happening now that happened last time. Alright? This is a cycle. It's not like, it doesn't-- We're not like five minutes from the end of the world. We're in a place that we've been here before, and we're gonna↗

2:49:24@malleusigOut of it. That's all we have to do. But we have time.↗

2:49:30Speaker 7Could we go to the hands, my friends? I just want 60 more seconds and I am done on the mic. AVR, look, I followed you back, or maybe I followed you first. AV, one thing I've noticed about people who pride themselves on "debate me, bro, debate me, bro," they must be right. They have to win at all times, and so their, part in these spaces is You know, just perpetual. And, you know, I think we should make this more of a broad conversation between, I don't know, the twelve speakers. So I'm just gonna say one more thing, if I may, and then I'll shut the fuck up and listen. Great space. I agree with everything, the good Rabbi Malia, Cohen, Levi, what's his name, Feinstein, Goldberg, yeah, something like that, everything he said.↗

2:50:17@malleusigGoldberg, don't commit to those assholes. Sorry, well, you just gotta-- I'm Cohen, Levi.↗

2:50:22Speaker 12Get it right. Well, after you marry another three Jewish women and take their gold from them, you might have another three surnames, but↗

2:50:30Speaker 7okay, don't, don't tell anyone that. Okay, sorry, sorry. so look, part of the problem with the left and right unite-uniting, and this is all by design, in any Bolshevik revolution, I'm, I'm gonna use the term communist henceforth, they, you know, go to the disgruntled minorities, the illegals, the feminists, the tranny faggots, all of the weaklings, the disgruntled dissenters who hate the majority parent and founding demographic who is vilified with words like, oh, I don't know White supremacist, anti-Semite, racist, Nazi, sexist, fascist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, that's what they do. They dehumanize us with words, in the way the Jews fabricated this notion that the German people were calling Jews vermin, way back when, right? And so that's the seventh step, I believe, amongst the ten steps of genocide, dehumanize your opposition so it makes it easier to kill them when you get- Stage or step ten. And so this is the problem. They've not only-- their agenda is to dehumanize, and look, we're talking about the European diaspora of whitey and Christians. If you're not what I just described, the aforementioned, then they, they really don't care about you because they're destroying America and Western civilization, which are largely white Christian countries. So the problem is, and it's just plain as day now, you get these dingy boats with thirty- and no offense if you're African or Arab or anything, but, you know, they've golemized these people and they put them on these dinghies and say, "Go to the promised land, and you can have their women and their booty and their real estate,↗

2:52:18Speaker 7and their lives. Do this for us." And so it's very, very difficult. They are incentivized to destroy us because they can dispossess us if they win this fight that we're in. And again, it's the right wing, what I mean by that, are largely moral Christian, law-abiding people who believe in the sovereignty of their city-states and nations and their folk, right? That's who they're out to destroy. And everybody else is just a weaponized golem, and they say, "Hey, bro, you can have their shit if you kill them and rape their lovely women." And so that's the problem. How are we going to-- Sure, you can wake up the left, but if they are promised, everything under the sun that is owned by the target, demographic, To be destroyed by these Jews, then it's really, really tough to have them come around and, and to unite. But I hope that made sense. I'm done. Great space, thanks for the mic, my friends.↗

2:53:17@joann_marieThank you, Maite, and yeah, I posted it in the, in the proposal. I, I, I po- I posted in the Communist Manifesto, it's not the Communist Manifesto, it's the Communist Directive, but yeah, it's, about discrediting and silencing people. And, yeah, it's 100% true. I will, change it in a second. But I loved everything you said, Maite. Alright,↗

2:53:39@joann_marieRabbi, did, did you wanted to add anything or no?↗

2:53:44@malleusigAll right, I, I, I did. I'm sorry, I'm under a server rack right now. but, no, go ahead and, and I'll come back. Sorry. All↗

2:53:52@joann_marieright, Howard.↗

2:53:55Speaker 14Yeah, just, a big space, a lot, a lot of topics. Like, I come from this thing, like, in a very unusual way. I have my own kind of conspiracy, like, I'm, I'm way into the conspiracy bullshit. I don't know where I am on it, but definitely you're getting this entire media thing being used and weaponized, and people are being siloed into these different kind of ideologies that can be controlled from, like, the outside. Definitely like the left and the right, like I, I think you can definitely see it generationally how like the left and the right have been shifted and moved into these different kind of caricatures of each other, and it's, the goal is like you know something by the fruits of the system, and it's obvious kind of what the fruits of these different systems are, it's to destabilize The Middle East, what I call West Asia,↗

2:54:49Speaker 14use America, Europe basically to impoverish them as they destabilize this area, and then to also- Displace and kind of pseudo-ethnically cleanse all these areas by kind of moving people around and then messing with like very older countries using this and then targeting different demographics that are kind of oppositional to the larger project. But I, I definitely think like getting the right and the left to work together is kind of very, very impossible, like it's hard. I think that they're very diametrically opposed, but I think once they understand that they've both been,↗

2:55:31Speaker 14very much infiltrated and, subverted, it makes it easier for the third kind of party, which isn't both parties, this uni party to be, to be recognized, and I, I, I just think that, the, the immune response to this has been destroyed, much like an HIV virus in a person makes them susceptible to all sorts of stuff, you have to treat the disease, and that is, that is↗

2:56:02Speaker 14That's why I think there's a lot of problems, but it's, it's complicated, and I don't claim to understand it.↗

2:56:11@joann_marieThank you so much, Edward. I mean, there is people in the left, I, I don't, I'm not super one hundred percent familiar with their work, but like Anna Kasparian, like some of the things she says are, are pretty cool, and I can actually, like, yeah, I, I agree with a lot of things, but I don't know a lot of the other stuff, like I only pay attention to her, the stuff↗

2:56:31@joann_marieKnow the other stuff, but she's, yeah, I mean-↗

2:56:35Speaker 14Totally. She's got some takes I agree with, she's also got a bunch I don't. But like, you gotta be able to like break bread with people where you agree, and then recognize that you definitely disagree on some stuff, and like, you can leave that for later because there is some stuff that's very much immediate and very much like this war with Iran, people putting troops on the ground in Iran, that is a disaster, for everyone except, you know- The people who want it. And, I think, that's like something where, I think people on the left and the right can get together on that. But, I, I'm coming from a very American standpoint, but that's just all I have to say on it.↗

2:57:17Speaker 10Just real quick, if I may.↗

2:57:19@joann_marieGo for it.↗

2:57:22Speaker 10The, the misconception that we all need to hold hands and live in the same house is not what I'm getting at. The lefties clearly have, a methodology about them, okay? And so do the righties. So if we just utilize each other's strengths and focus on the same enemy, that's all we need to do. We don't all need to come, come sit at a big old table and agree that, "Oh, you know, we're gonna vote this person, and he's gonna be the singular American Party, and we all hold hands and we sing Kumbaya." I know that's not how it's gonna work, but if we all focus on the same enemy, and you have the Then we stand a chance. So↗

2:57:59Speaker 9what you don't get is that to the left, the enemy is us, is we're the oppressor, we're the white man. No,↗

2:58:05Speaker 10no. You're-↗

2:58:06Speaker 9Well, they're super radical. My goodness,↗

2:58:08Speaker 10that's what I'm, that's what I'm telling, that's what I'm telling you to deprogram and to figure out how to go out of your way and articulate everything you know so that it's not framed that way. Because when you frame it that way, you immediately trigger that, that prior priming. What do you mean?↗

2:58:27Speaker 9Why I, I, I mean, I got a, I got a master's degree. I, I, I've, I've talked, I've literally listened to these leftists for years and years and years. You wanna know what they say is the problem? Constantly, whiteness, all the time. So, how, how can you work with people when they literally say- Who gave them that idea? I know you're gonna say, "Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude," I know.↗

2:58:50Speaker 10I know. Ask them also, are Jews white? No, are Jews white? No, ask the lefties that. I know that you know that, I know that, but does the lefty know that? Does the lefty know that the Jews changed their name and pretended to be white, and then they sold all the fucking slaves up and down the Americas? They don't know that. They only heard the story in the textbook that has been corrupted by the Jew, that it was a white-looking guy, and they called it white in the book.↗

2:59:14Speaker 9That's why they think that. No matter what lefties would tell you, they would say you're racist for even asking that. You're white, you need to shut your mouth, you have white privilege. That's what they would say to you. They say you have white privilege.↗

2:59:23Speaker 10I disagree, man, because I've talked to people who, who sit on the left, and they're not that rabid, and that isn't extreme, and that you're painting a generalization upon your ally and your countrymen, and it's, and it's disregarding--↗

2:59:38Speaker 10Look, you, okay, you Based on the generalization, what the fuck is that? And I'm not calling you a traitor, this is a rhetorical question, but that's absolute retarded shit. And let's think of, let's↗

2:59:50Speaker 11think of also, hold on, one, one, one second, one second. Let's also think of MAGA, right? I mean, their definition of what it means to be an American is to serve a foreign power, right? Is to literally genuflect to, to a supremacy. But I want you to think of it in this way. Morality is, requires an active state of awareness, right? If we did, if we were a homogeneous civilization, we'd still be-- we'd still have a left and right, first of all, and we'd still be doing what our forefathers did, what they did from the Renaissance to the Reformation, the Enlightenment, they'd be thinking, "What does it mean to be good?" You know, Socrates used to buttonhole people up and down the street and just ask them these fundamental questions. "What does it mean to be just? What does it mean to be good?" Well, Discussions that we've been wrestling with for a very long time, and by the way, done a very good job, especially in Western civilization, in that regard. However, just imagine wherever there's a dichotomy, wherever there's-- and there inevitably always will be, you know, there will be a discussion, argument about what's right, especially living with other people. What is, what is good, what is right, what is fair, these sorts of things. Now, then inject An extra group of people without group psychopathy, and I don't wanna name them except for calling them Jewish supremacists, oh wait, I guess I just named them. So then they come in and they poison the well. It's like we're arguing over what to have for dinner, and they're putting poison in the food. When we're not looking, sorry if I mixed my metaphors there. But this is really important because we'd be having these arguments, having these, just as the individual does. As you evolve, you're always asking yourself, "Am I doing the right things? What are my normatives?" You're supposed to get better, become a better person as you grow, as you go along. Same with civilizations. So it's, so it is important, and I do, I will steelman your argument, AV, in this way. They will pick up the cudgel if you say that I don't have a right to live here, or if you say that my whiteness is a problem or something, whatever it is. And of course, they are controlling this ne- narrative. We're not saying Jew, Jew, Jew, we're saying Jewish supremacists, and the only reason why we're saying that Jewish supremacists is the cause of this is because, well Jewish supremacy is the cause of this. So we really, we really have to sort of disambiguate this basic argument that we'll always be having, hopefully always evolving, as any moral person does. We wanna think and keep rethinking about what's good, but we have to recognize the fact that these people are going to take that argument. They have no morals, they have outright psychopathy, they don't believe in good, they don't believe-- they absolutely have no sense of kindness, no sense of solicitude. It's zero sum, more for you, less for us if we kill We can assault, we can rape your children, and these are the people that are injecting themselves into our moral conversation and then telling us, "Oh, we should hate each other." So I, I absolutely understand that these things are-- that definitely we understand how, like, for instance, the idea that whiteness is a problem, we understand that that is anti-us, but we have to again diagnose the cause and not just the symptom. We have to say to those people, "You know who's programmed you to say that, right? Like, you know why you're saying that?" Of course, Sparings and all these people, they're waking up to this. Human solidarity is on the rise, my friend. We're all waking up to this, and I, I hope you can see that. Right,↗

3:03:11Speaker 9right. But again, you keep falling back into this, secular, moral objectivism. It's, it's not possible for you to say what is good, what is bad, what is right, what is wrong. There's only one being that can say that, and that's Jesus Christ, that is God. So wait a minute. If, if you Secular people can just come up with what is good, what is right, then it all boils down to- Then tell me why, hold on, tell me why- I know what you're saying, I know what you're saying. Hold on,↗

3:03:41Speaker 11then tell me why in all cultures it's wrong to lie, cheat, and steal, except for, except for Jewish culture. Why? Why is that? Why is it wrong to lie, cheat? Why do they make deals in the Muslim world on↗

3:03:51Speaker 9handshakes?↗

3:03:55Speaker 11I, I would argue that you don't know that in all cultures- Are you, What, it says that she has to kill? Thou shalt not murder? Hey, guys, stop the, stop the, stop the press. We were all murdering and killing each other, but now it's-- So let, let, listen. I know↗

3:04:13Speaker 9what you're trying to do. If you want↗

3:04:14Speaker 11to, if you want to argue on the, listen, and I don't really wanna give a class on moral philosophy here, 'cause that's gonna be too deep, but if you wanna argue on the numenous, then say that God put that, made that inherent to us, your moral↗

3:04:33Speaker 11So this idea that if I don't read it or if it's not this particular ideology or theology, the idea that Francis, a Muslim, is an immoral person, there's no way that he can get there. I'm sorry, but that is, that is quintessentially subjective. That is nonsense. And actually, I just want to, and I want to really quickly break this↗

3:04:53@malleusigdown because this is, this is actually fundamental. Hold on, Ivy, real quick, this is actually fundamental, and this is a fundamental thing that people get hung up on, and they shouldn't. The idea that secularism or secular people or whatever cannot have morality is one of the stupidest and most self-destructive arguments you can have in this entire debate, in this entire issue, right? You can have morality. Like, like David just explained, morality isn't limited to religious people. Bats and monkeys literally have morality. They have moral systems that are built in genetically, alright? Humans have morality built in genetically. When Jesus came over and He said, "Do unto others as they'd want to do unto you," He wasn't making some new invention up He was just clear, he was like, "Listen, this is the way you work together best. This is the way your, your societies will work harmoniously because this is built into you. This-- and yes, God made all of us, but you don't have to believe that God made all of you to agree with this or to have it in you." But↗

3:05:54Speaker 9you,↗

3:05:55@malleusigbut you, alright? People that are devout atheists still have this in them. But you↗

3:05:58Speaker 9sidestep my point. A secularist can't have morality. Excuse me? You sidestep my point. Again, again, Subjective morality. The only way you can have objective morality is from a religious lens. That is not true. No, no, no. Because it's all gonna-- How is it bullshit? Because it's all gonna boil down to your preference.↗

3:06:20@malleusigAtheists aren't--↗

3:06:20Speaker 9Oh my↗

3:06:20@joann_marieGod, I think,↗

3:06:21Speaker 9I↗

3:06:21@joann_mariethink David should do a space on this. This would be amazing.↗

3:06:34Speaker 10It's, yeah,↗

3:06:49Speaker 10but,↗

3:06:55Speaker 10Now, why are they doing that? Because they want to weaken faith in traditional authority, which is what we are sitting here trying to articulate. That is our innate authority of what is right and wrong. They want to weaken that. It's literally part of the plan so we will be directionless and, and accepting of a new master, which is what they're doing. What are they↗

3:07:14Speaker 9doing for Christ? So↗

3:07:15Speaker 10you, you can't sit there and, and use that as, as- As proof for your, for your thesis, it is literally what they've done intentionally to destabilize people. My argument isn't touching the argument of the whole thing right now, BZ. My argument is, there is↗

3:07:28Speaker 9truth or there is not truth, there either, there either is a god or there isn't a god, correct?↗

3:07:34@malleusigAV, AV, listen, first of all, there's no possibility there's not a God, right? Second of all, can you answer↗

3:07:39Speaker 9my question? Is there a God? Hold on,↗

3:07:40@malleusighold on, before I do that, we need to address the gross inaccuracy you stated earlier, which is that atheists can only have subjective moralities.↗

3:07:50Speaker 9Oh, wait, so you're like Dean Withers? Okay.↗

3:07:51@malleusigThat needs to be addressed before we move on.↗

3:07:53Speaker 9Alright, let's debate this. Let's go. So you're Dean Withers. Atheists can have objective↗

3:07:57@malleusigmoralities very easily.↗

3:08:00Speaker 9Wait, Yes. I, I think that's- Let's debate then, Rabbi. Oh my God, every time you say↗

3:08:11@joann_mariedebate, it's like if I, if I took a shot, every time you said it, I would be like, "Wasted right now." Well,↗

3:08:16Speaker 9the reason why, the reason why I quote-unquote debate, bro, is 'cause I just love to challenge my ideals. So, okay, prove me wrong. Yeah. How is it↗

3:08:23@malleusignot com- How is it not immediately obvious that even atheists can have an objective morality? Well, and-↗

3:08:30Speaker 11Okay, no, no, no One, one second. Morality does exist independently of, of religion. It doesn't mean that it's not given to us by God. It arises from human nature, reason, shared social needs.↗

3:08:44Speaker 9so, so- Observe-↗

3:08:45Speaker 11Hold on, observable consequences, not just divine commands alone, right? But here's the point I wanted to make, is when someone that has any kind of theism- says, "Well, without my theism, what stops me from murdering that guy on the side of the road?" My response, and I've actually said this in real life, "That scares the shit out of me that you ask me that question. All I can say is, I really hope that you never lose your religion, right? Because what you're saying is, before I read that book, I was Ted Bundy." So really, this idea that you think that your morality is exogenous to you, see, do you understand there is a confluence between both of what we're saying? If I My morality is within me, it's endemic to me, right? This is the-- other people have heard me give the example of Raskolnikov, you know, which is famously written by Dostoevsky, the famous ca-character in Crime and Punishment, where he realizes over time that he did a bad thing and he ends up turning himself in. And his whole point was that your morality is within you, right? Then you could respond, "Well, that is..." And I believe in the divine spark, you could say, "Well, that is from God. God gave you that↗

3:09:56Speaker 11That you had to read, for instance, that before you read that book, you were Ted Bundy. And again, I, I just want to never-- And please, everybody in the room, don't dissuade AV from his dogmatic assumption. No, no, no, this↗

3:10:15Speaker 11isn't-- This is pseudo-intellectualism. That's not what I said. No, no, no. Hold, hold on, hold on, hold on, one second. Pseudo-intellectualism. Hold, hold, hold on one second here. The term pseudo-intellectualism means absolutely nothing, I don't agree with it, right? Right? Is it, intellectualism means, do I have the pleasure of agreeing with myself? Is what, is what I'm saying is consistent? So it's just, hold on, it is just an ad hominem cheap shot to say it's pseudo, pseudo intellectual. It's a way to claim superiority without proving yourself. So you mean, hold on, instead of doing that, instead of the cheap shot, just state your point. Don't say, "This is pseudo-intellectual," because quite frankly, you know, a lot of what you say seems↗

3:10:56Speaker 11Hold on, tell me what you got wrong,↗

3:10:59Speaker 9David. Yes,↗

3:11:00Speaker 11my only point that I'm doing, my only point that I'm making is-↗

3:11:03Speaker 9Did↗

3:11:04@joann_marieI↗

3:11:04Speaker 11get↗

3:11:07@joann_mariehim, David? You're a moron. Go anyways. Hold on.↗

3:11:14Speaker 11You're a fucking idiot. Yeah, what? You absolutely don't dare call him that. I'm like the smartest person I know, and you're giving me what the fuck is wrong with you. Right, and let me ask you something. What intellectual ever won a debate by calling someone else a name? You know, Failing as an intellectual, they always resort to ad hominem, and I was only trying to inspire you, again appealing oddly to, to the better angel of your nature, which you're claiming to have, to not do this and just always approach the idea, always criticize the idea, never making an ad hominem attack, don't call someone pseudo-intellectual, don't do any of these things. I'm just telling you how to keep the gloves up if you wanna have intellectual integrity. If you don't, then fine, I admire your triumph over reason.↗

3:11:55Speaker 9Then unmute me.↗

3:11:58@malleusigNo, it's just double muted. Go ahead, go ahead, AV, you can, you can respond to me now.↗

3:12:05Speaker 9Are you really gonna fucking mute me, dude? That's so fucking cowardly. You are unmuted.↗

3:12:09@malleusigNo, the system, the system doesn't allow us to come off mute.↗

3:12:12Speaker 9AV, the system doesn't double mute me to come off. So if you're so↗

3:12:14Speaker 11fucking↗

3:12:14Speaker 9smart, David, then debate me, dude. I↗

3:12:16Speaker 11don't know, I literally just responded to you. I don't know, are you- We're↗

3:12:19@malleusigjust waiting for your↗

3:12:20Speaker 9response You sidestepped my entire point. Dogma. Okay, go ahead. Listen, listen, David. You sidestepped my entire point. My entire point wasn't- Okay. Yeah, you were talking to Rabbi. I, I'm talking to both of you. I can debate you both at the same fucking time. So again, I wasn't talking about- Okay. Holy fuck.↗

3:12:42Speaker 7Can you get some humility, kid? What the fuck? Show some fucking respect. And sit down and listen. But as the↗

3:12:51Speaker 9new co-host, sit down and listen to a pussy. Sit down and shut the fuck↗

3:13:03Speaker 11Why does the debate-- But, but,↗

3:13:29Speaker 9And, Marty, we can triple team↗

3:13:48@malleusighim. Marty, Marty↗

3:13:55Speaker 9Yes, Ian. That's not the name. I know, that's Rabbi. Fuck you, Rabbi. Oh my god, I didn't even-↗

3:14:03@malleusigNobody, nobody else butt in. Let him, let him talk. Go ahead, go ahead, David.↗

3:14:07Speaker 9Okay, so again, David just fucking did a fucking red herring, was talking about dogma. No, again, I was talking about truth and not truth. I was talking about what is, what is real, what is not real, what is reality, what is not reality. Is there a God? Is there not a God? If there is a God, then which God is the correct God? And if, let's say, Jesus Christ is Lord, He is the real God, then that means that the Bible is true. Then that means the quote-unquote dogma that you like to say, that you like to mock, is true as well. Okay. So you↗

3:14:40@malleusigjust made a lot of statements, very few of them actually follow each other.↗

3:14:47Speaker 9Follow, they actually↗

3:14:48@malleusigall follow. AV, AV, very, listen, I can tell you how they all follow. It's so easy to prove that those don't follow each other. I↗

3:14:54Speaker 11can↗

3:14:54@malleusigshow it. I can show you how they all follow. But let's, AV, let's get back to the discussion we were having before, okay? Oh, only. How is it not immediately obvious to you that non-religious people can have an objective reality?↗

3:15:07Speaker 9We're talking about morality, not a reality. Okay.↗

3:15:11@malleusigSorry, did you say reality? I meant morality. Objective morality. So you can,↗

3:15:14Speaker 9you can, you can have an experience, you can be like, "Wow, this is my reality," but again, you don't even know if you have an, if you wanna talk about reality- No, I corrected myself. No, no, no, no, no, I corrected myself. You were right. I meant↗

3:15:23@malleusigmorality. No,↗

3:15:24Speaker 9Rabbi, I'm about to destroy that too, 'cause you don't know if you're a brain in a In an objective reality, motherfucker, you don't know that. You could be a brain in a vat right now. Prove me wrong.↗

3:15:42@malleusigIt doesn't matter. Exactly. You're really, you're really fucking these arguments up, baby. Oh my god, I just- You↗

3:15:47Speaker 11would, it's irrational to ask, it's irrational to ask someone to prove a negative. I wanna↗

3:15:50Speaker 15save you, bro, but I can't, I honestly don't even think I can. Right. Yeah. Prove↗

3:15:53Speaker 11I'm not a giraffe from outer space. It's irrational for a fucking rabbi to↗

3:16:07Speaker 9I've, I've literally- He's gonna debate you now, Colin. No, I mean, I↗

3:16:10Speaker 15will.↗

3:16:11Speaker 9I'll, I'll debate all of you. Let's go. Who the fuck wants- No, please, I don't wanna-↗

3:16:15@malleusigCome on, come on, AV, come on, let's go. He's right, motherfucker, let's go. Come on, come on, let's go.↗

3:16:24Speaker 9He's right. You're↗

3:16:28@malleusigdrowning.↗

3:16:30@joann_marieWe're trying↗

3:16:32Speaker 15to↗

3:16:32@malleusigthrow you, we're trying to throw you a life preserver. I'm fucking↗

3:16:36Speaker 9in a yacht. I'm fucking↗

3:16:39@malleusigThey're losers. Nobody's muting you.↗

3:16:40Speaker 15I mean, I wish you had, I wish you understood your own arguments, but I'm gonna be honest with you, it sounds like you-- Well, it's not, I, listen, I actually-- The exact reason you can't even tell me I'm wrong is↗

3:16:49Speaker 9that I'm↗

3:16:50Speaker 15closer to your theistic moral realism than, than you think so. I'm not See, this is the thing, I'm gonna talk about these things, but you're not even gonna know what they mean. You don't know, like, the difference between secular moral realism, anti-real, or moral anti-realism, theistic moral realism, like, all of these different categories that comprise this argument that you're talking about, you're just summing them all up into a really simplified, like, debate, bro, argument, which is-- Well,↗

3:17:17Speaker 9because again,↗

3:17:17Speaker 15can't have objectivity without God. That's not even without the Christian God. That's not even necessarily like the main Doing a bunch of steps and you don't even understand like the position, your own position. No, no, I'm breaking it,↗

3:17:31Speaker 9I'm breaking it down for the layman. And again, I don't have to use pseudo-intellectual nonsense to ask you,↗

3:17:38Speaker 11are you, are you not a layman?↗

3:17:39Speaker 9So again, I have to ask, so again, I have to show you, is something true or not true? Is there a God? Is there not a God? These things follow. There either is a God or there isn't. Are we real? Are we not real? Are we a brain in a vat? Are we a simulation? This is-- You're not even-- What do you↗

3:17:54Speaker 15mean it follows? Are you making a logical statement or what are you doing? This is↗

3:17:58@malleusiggarbage. Okay, this is, this is just trans thought, AV. So↗

3:18:02@joann_marieagain, oh my God. So again, no, no, no, no, no. Like I have no idea where this is going or like where I'm going. It's not so much a reasoned, it doesn't follow.↗

3:18:11Speaker 11It's not so much a reasoned argument as a waft of bong smoke, and I'm sorry, but they're just not enough to refute here.↗

3:18:16Speaker 9You can be like, you can be like Vladimir Lenin, and I can make better↗

3:18:18@malleusigarguments on mushrooms, AV.↗

3:18:20Speaker 9Hey, listen↗

3:18:21@malleusigYou're↗

3:18:22Speaker 9fucking, you're trying to argue that objective↗

3:18:24Speaker 13reality isn't something that exists. It's absolute nonsense. We wouldn't expect anyone else that has social media influence in their bio, bro. Listen, I'm going↗

3:18:31@malleusigto, yeah, but no, listen, I'm going to show you how he's trying to divert from the topic and make it all about objective reality instead of morality. Listen, I'm going to show you how he's all about objective reality. Listen, he glommed on to, to one word that I misspoke, and he said, "Aha, I can use this↗

3:18:51Speaker 9I can show you↗

3:18:53@malleusighow it↗

3:18:53Speaker 11follows. Does objective reality- I don't↗

3:18:55@malleusigknow if you can. I've seen this. Does objective reality exist,↗

3:18:58Speaker 11David?↗

3:18:59Speaker 9Yeah, does it exist? But if God exists, yes.↗

3:19:02Speaker 11No, no, no, does it exist? Not, not. You don't- No predicate here. Does it exist? If God exists-↗

3:19:07Speaker 9Do↗

3:19:07Speaker 11you, you believe that exac- Hold on. Do you believe that objective reality exists, or do you, you're using a predicate? If means that you can't say definitively that it exists. Is that right?↗

3:19:19Speaker 9I believe the reality is created by God. So↗

3:19:22Speaker 11what now?↗

3:19:23Speaker 13Yeah, but you sound like we were like in the Matrix and stuff, you know, like- I↗

3:19:27Speaker 11don't think- I don't think you're using a↗

3:19:29Speaker 13subject to validate your own worldview. So when you're sitting at a table, does that- when you're↗

3:19:33Speaker 11sitting at a table, hold on, when you're sitting at a table, does that table exist outside your mind?↗

3:19:38Speaker 9Does that table exist outside your mind?↗

3:19:41Speaker 11Your mind, yes. Well,↗

3:19:42Speaker 9then you'd have to-- Do you see-- Do you then you'd have to-- Do you see physical objects↗

3:19:45Speaker 11right now? Do they-- Hold on. Listen, but then you have to follow↗

3:19:47Speaker 9back. Listen. Hold on, hold on, no, no, I don't have to↗

3:19:49Speaker 11follow anything. I'm asking you a direct question. This is not rhetorical. Yeah. Yeah. Do you-- Hold, hold on, hold on, hold on. Time out. Just calm down. Calm down. This is why I have to mute, 'cause you can't stop Outside, independent of you, outside of your mind. There, simple question, yes or no. Do you think that those objects around you exist outside your mind?↗

3:20:22Speaker 11I don't know if you says a double mute or something, but that's my question to you. Do you think the objects around you exist outside your mind?↗

3:20:29Speaker 9Because I believe God created my mind. But, but I'm↗

3:20:31Speaker 11asking you, do you or do you not- That's the question, though. What the fuck are you responding to? What the fuck are you responding to? Can you not sound the depths of your own mind? First of all, do you know you? You're not schizophrenic, right? So can you not sound the depths of your own mind and simply say, "Yes,↗

3:20:51Speaker 11They don't. So again, so again, so again, so↗

3:20:53Speaker 9again, this is what you're trying to do. You're trying to get me to listen. Let me answer. Let me answer. Let me answer. Just just yes, no, or maybe. He's got nothing to answer. It's just yes, no, or maybe.↗

3:21:03Speaker 11I'm sorry, but no, no.↗

3:21:04Speaker 9Answers can be more nuanced. If↗

3:21:07Speaker 11someone throws a rock at you, do you dodge it? I find that everybody's objective is when a rock's coming at↗

3:21:11Speaker 15them. Depends,↗

3:21:18Speaker 9is↗

3:21:19Speaker 11it gonna hit me, David? That's why I think it's gonna be mind-numbingly boring.↗

3:21:24Speaker 9You, 'cause you're dumb. You just want a yes or a no because you're afraid of a fleshed out answer. He's dumb↗

3:21:28Speaker 14now. Okay, alright. I, I feel like this is just very contrarian. So again, yeah. So again, that's kind of good. It is kind of good. So↗

3:21:35Speaker 9again, can you break the protocol? Because again, you idiots believe that a fucking world could just come on and make an↗

3:21:42@joann_marieatheist, like, why do you make these crazy assumptions? It's really weird↗

3:21:48Speaker 7David is a Catholic. Atheists probably believe in the God. No, I am.↗

3:21:51Speaker 15I, I'm a Catholic. No,↗

3:21:52Speaker 7I don't want to others as you want to do one to you. What?↗

3:21:55Speaker 15Yeah,↗

3:21:55Speaker 7it's common. I don't think↗

3:21:56Speaker 15anyone up here atheist, first of all. there's a couple of Christians up here, and, a, a few other belief systems, but nobody is an atheist, if I'm not mistaken, right?↗

3:22:09Speaker 9Okay. Okay. Okay, so let's, let's take, okay, let's take↗

3:22:15Speaker 11his example. He Hold on. Let's, let's, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not sexist. Yes, I'm gonna ask again since you don't seem to be following, following along. So I asked you this, do you believe that the objects around you right now exist outside and independent of your mind? That was it. So if you wanna repeat to everyone else the question, that's it.↗

3:22:40Speaker 7Okay? Ask him if he ate breakfast.↗

3:22:43Speaker 11Sorry. Go, try that again. I think there's a double mute. Ask him, yeah, I'm sorry, but it's like the worst student in the world. I can't do anything with- So again, you're saying↗

3:22:54Speaker 9outside and independent of my mind.↗

3:22:56Speaker 11Yeah, objects, the objects, no, objects. So again, so again,↗

3:22:58Speaker 9you would have to define that. What, what does that mean?↗

3:23:02Speaker 11Do you know what objects are? You don't know what those things are. Go↗

3:23:04Speaker 9again. Outside. You don't know what an object is. He doesn't know what a monitor is. Listen, listen, listen. If we're in a simulation, it could all be part of the same program. I didn't- First of all, first of all. So again, so again, if you're, if you're atheist, if you're, do you think↗

3:23:17Speaker 11you're in a simulation? Do you think that?↗

3:23:19Speaker 9No, I'm a Christian.↗

3:23:20Speaker 11Okay. So you said if we're in a simulation, I just asked you a simple question, not if, right? It's disingenuous if you don't think we're in a simulation, why would you bring it up, right? Because I'm trying to↗

3:23:30Speaker 9tell you from your--↗

3:23:31Speaker 11Okay. No. From your own↗

3:23:33Speaker 9world view. But you don't have to try to tell me. But you don't even believe that↗

3:23:35@joann_mariewe're in a simulation. We can simply answer the question. Like he asked you if you believe↗

3:23:39Speaker 11that-- We can simply answer the question. He asked you if you believe that--↗

3:23:51Speaker 11I mean, I could do this with junior high school students and get, get further along. Come on, man, come on. Do you think that those objects-- I've done this with Oxford professors. Do you think objects exist outside of your mind, independent of your mind?↗

3:24:04Speaker 9Well, as a Christian, yes, but we were talking about objective morality. Oh my God. You've,↗

3:24:08Speaker 11okay. Just, okay, well.↗

3:24:11Speaker 9We're not gonna go anywhere there. I need to↗

3:24:15Speaker 11break↗

3:24:16Speaker 9this up.↗

3:24:17Speaker 11We're not gonna↗

3:24:19Speaker 9go anywhere↗

3:24:20Speaker 11there. We're not gonna go anywhere there. We're talking about morality, and↗

3:24:24Speaker 15then he's moving the goalpost. He's talking about reality. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. Do you↗

3:24:29Speaker 13believe↗

3:24:31Speaker 15goalposts exist outside of reality? No, I don't. I don't understand. No, I don't This philosophical argument, this idea between realism and idealism, okay? There's a real famous philosopher that you might have heard, or there's a few that, that debate, that talked about these ideas. Descartes was one of them. And this idea, right, of if you can't perceive, like, don't you think that if you're, you know, the answer to this question might influence the answer to your objective morality question a little bit, depending on what answer you have to this material reality question? Don't you think that perhaps these two things might be just ever so slightly related↗

3:25:04Speaker 9Alright, fine. I'll, I'll, I'll play. Let's, let's play your little game. Okay, sure, yeah, I believe things are independent of my mind. Sure, go. Wait, that's-↗

3:25:10Speaker 11Let's play the game. Come on, come on, come on, come on, go. That took 45 minutes. How is that a game? That was a question.↗

3:25:16Speaker 9Come↗

3:25:17Speaker 11on, come on,↗

3:25:19Speaker 9come on, come on, go.↗

3:25:19Speaker 11No, hold on. Come on, play the game. Hold on. Come on, play your pseudo, pseudo↗

3:25:26Speaker 12science.↗

3:25:34Ian MalcolmAV, when you, when you go and you play in any sport or you do any hobby, right? You go and you get chess, because David likes to talk about turning the chess board around. You play chess, and then you package it up into a box. You walk over to your closet, and you open the closet, and you put the chess board onto, a little shelf in the closet. You then shut the door and walk away. Does the chess board still exist inside the closet?↗

3:26:00Speaker 9Yes.↗

3:26:02Ian MalcolmOkay, so it does. Okay, David, I think you're getting somewhere now.↗

3:26:05Speaker 9Alright, let's keep playing, come on.↗

3:26:08Ian MalcolmThat,↗

3:26:08Speaker 9that depends if it's Frodingham's↗

3:26:10Speaker 15chessboard.↗

3:26:11Speaker 9Yeah, sometimes↗

3:26:12Speaker 15it exists, sometimes it doesn't, really depends. That's what I was thinking up on. We're talking about two↗

3:26:16Speaker 9realities, so we're just at reality, so let's get to morality. No, but you↗

3:26:20Ian Malcolmnow, you now exist that, you're now suggesting the things that, that exist outside you exist outside of your mind, correct?↗

3:26:28Speaker 9Yeah. God, I believe God created everything. Okay, so why, wait,↗

3:26:30Ian Malcolmwhy didn't we go around in circles for thirty minutes when you just agreed to the way that I presented it in thirty seconds? What am I missing?↗

3:26:36Speaker 9I've never disagreed with reality, I disagreed with morality.↗

3:26:40Ian MalcolmWait, wait, am I now perceiving a different reality? What is happening here? No, I↗

3:26:44Speaker 9disagreed with what David had said about morality. Are-- isn't↗

3:26:49Speaker 11I literally just asked you a question for a half an hour, what are you talking about?↗

3:26:54Speaker 9Okay, yep, you, you talked to me three days actually, it's been three days, you've been, you've been a brain and a vet actually.↗

3:27:00Speaker 10Wow,↗

3:27:00Speaker 15you, you would never know. I'm so confused. Like, I, I,↗

3:27:02Speaker 10the, the impetus for this disagreement is Jewish in origin because I'm going back to the fucking protocols again. Protocol four, materialism re-replaces religion, okay? So it talks about how you're gonna take over religion, evacuate it from a society, and then there's a vacuum, then they engineer an ideology. Once the nations lose their religious and moral anchors, then they step in with secular doctrines that cement their control. That's the whole fucking point. So we're sitting here talking downstream of this, debating as if it's like a thing to debate. It's what they do.↗

3:27:36Speaker 15This debate exists for a long time. What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing↗

3:27:43Speaker 10about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? And now we're sitting here debating over fucking ideals and morals. The, the whole point of, of the, of the protocols is to reduce that stuff to nothing so that there is a new moral that they inject into our society and our system. That's the whole point. So then they are in control. Why are we debating whether morality is a thing? Of course it's a fucking thing.↗

3:28:21Speaker 7The Navy is a master debater who has to be the center of attention at all times.↗

3:28:27Speaker 9Well, again, if there is no objective morality, then everyone is subjective and you just come to whatever your preferences are. Like communism.↗

3:28:36@joann_marieNo one. Excellent. Okay, yeah. Let's go to our hands. I, I have an idea. Yeah, I know what you want.↗

3:28:42Speaker 15That's a really good idea.↗

3:28:45@joann_marieI, I'm, I'm really happy that you're here, Colin. Alright, truth seeker.↗

3:28:51Ian MalcolmEverybody should give Colin a follow, by the way. No.↗

3:28:57Speaker 16Well, it's good to see you, David and Joanne, Mighty Thor, Rabbi. Oh, man, it's late. You guys have been arguing like for about one or two hours, and I'm like, I, I was, I was almost falling asleep there. Not to, not to the content, this was good content, but I was just, I need to get to bed. but, I guess I'll give my points as I'm going. I'm not gonna get on the morality stuff, that's, that can, you can have a, you can debate that for like a week with everybody and you still get nowhere, right? That's usually how I see those arguments.↗

3:29:30Speaker 16shoot, I don't even know if I, I don't even know if it even matters anymore. The topic has basically swung so far ahead. Like, I was, I was over here ready to talk about the civil rights and COVID and like all this stuff about like how the, how Laughing right aren't, aren't as, as us, they're pretty stubborn, right? 'Cause in the end, 'cause I've been hearing the back and forth with AV and, and Governor and Amaro and, and like, and of course you, David, you guys gave some interesting points.↗

3:30:01Speaker 16to me, when COVID happened, it was such a surreal experience because basically, I, I kept making the joke in my head, "Are, are we in Soviet Union, right?" Because I basically watched people young and old laugh and right, basically, it, it was like something turned on in their heads, and then suddenly they just, they just became like the, the Government agents almost, like the very, like they, they were, they were basically defensive on anything, right? They were like, "Yo, you better get, you better go to the hospital, you better get your vaccine, right?" I heard it from both counts. And I looked out, you know, I was, I was one of the people who were against this. I didn't do any of the best stuff, I didn't do any of the distancing, I just went to the park, I still drove around everywhere. But there were some empty streets, and there was very little people out,↗

3:30:51Speaker 16I wonder if, if the vaccines really did kill everyone, it will, it would be so fewer people. Basically, I looked at it as essentially all the people who obeyed, what the government told them to do, that is the amount of people that are technically our enemies, because a lot of these people were calling out their neighbors, right? They were saying, "Oh, they're not distancing or they're not following this," and especially in countries or, or even like cities that are a lot more liberal, I know I've seen a lot of stories from Canada And France, for instance, where people were literally, arresting people, for going against the, protocols of their rules for COVID. And so that, that entire three years was a wake-up, and it showed me essentially that↗

3:31:36Speaker 16There's enemies on both sides, right? like, and I think in the end, you can't really-- That's why I'm not really, on board with what, Governor, Sid, Governor, Governor, yeah, Governor, Governor, Governor, yeah, Governor. I'm not technically on board of essentially that we have to work with them because I mean, I don't even have to say this, I think a lot of us have been in the experience of where we talk to someone and, I mean, we just, we just saw it now right here in this space where you can talk to people all day long and you, you will never get through with them because they're living in a different world than we are, and I, I've been through that with the whole Carmela Anthony thing of the blacks versus the whites or the people who are with Carmela versus who are against them, it's the same thing. It, it, it,↗

3:32:25Speaker 11Thing where the robot people would yell at you. But stick, stick with that for a second. So right now, and I agree with your, your analysis there. But, but Governor's point, if I may steelman it a little bit, and you can tell me if I've got it right, Governor's point would be, okay, well now, retrospectively, we can say to those people, okay, so who ran all those pharmaceutical com-companies that made out? Who wasn't-- They actually created the disease? Who was it that actually, what media companies and who controlled these media companies to scare the shit out of us and lock us all in our houses? And then who was hurt? You know, basically all of us. So I, I still, I understand your point of view and, and Carl, you can talk a little bit about The frightening aspect of people becoming like robot people and automatized by the state, but the whole idea of the awakening is to realize, oh wait, one group of people made out on all of that to the expense of everyone else, and that tends to engender human solidarity across the spectrum, irrespective of, you know, the left-right dichotomy. What do you think about that?↗

3:33:34Speaker 16to my, to, I think I hadn't thought of that angle. the, the one problem is people are naive, it's like they're very just naive. They, they, they're not only naive, they're ignorant, and, and people will defend their, positions to the, to the last, quarter. Like I, I've argued, for instance, with this one guy, older guy, who, I, I, it was basically me and two coworkers, they're both old. One of them was the conspiracy type, right? And the He grew up with the news and he was, he thought they were always right, and no matter how many times we, we debated with all three of us, right, and no matter how many times for those two years that was what we were really, at every lunch he, we, I would co- we would corner him, right, logically, but in the end he'll, he'll like come up with some way of saying, "I just think you guys are crazy," right? So, and it's usually that dead end where you can't really, at a certain point, you can't really↗

3:34:32Speaker 16convince someone, you're gonna have to force them to, convince, to be convinced. And what I mean by that is, unfortunately, you have to coerce them through sometimes either peer pressure through the group, or, or even worse, right, force them through, greater violence.↗

3:34:49Speaker 11Well, you noticed with the COVID tyranny, it wasn't awakening, right? Because no politician ever saved us. None of them, on the left or the right, none of them saved us. And there were people Out in the public square, really just, and they were, the media, and again, controlled by the same people, were portraying them as lunatics out in the public square going, "Since when did it say that we would lose all our rights if we got the flu?" And, and then all of a sudden, people had finally had enough of it, and they just started to disobey, and then the government, as if not wanting to lose its fairy dust of, of power↗

3:35:26Speaker 11All of a sudden said it was okay. So then Omicron comes around, and I said this to my wife, 'cause I think in epistemological terms, I think of the, how the mind wakens up to things, the collective mind, if you want to put it that way.' And Omicron came, and all of a sudden people put their masks on again, but only about half the people, and I never did, I never wore the masks, grocery store or anything. And I said to my wife, I said, "Now watch this, this is gonna be really funny, because the mass hypnosis isn't gonna work this time, because half the people aren't gonna be wearing masks, and the behalf of the people that are, are gonna see the other half, and it's going to denude their feeling of the mass hypnosis. It's gonna make it wear off." And that's what happened. Like in a very short period of time, like a week or two weeks or a couple of weeks, that, that half that was wearing them, they just stopped wearing them↗

3:36:14Speaker 11Up to Jewish supremacy, kind of the same thing, don't you feel like that's where things are going? It's this great awakening, it's organic, and yes, we're naive, but don't you see that happening?↗

3:36:23Speaker 16yeah, I actually see that a little bit happening because, I remember at the tail end where they were starting to loosen the, mask restrictions, I was going out to a, a, a bar with some friends, and then, you know, while we were walking in the parking lot, we had, I had this,↗

3:36:44Speaker 16About it. So I think, if anything, there's a lot of people who are like excited to be able to not be shamed anymore for it. And so you're gonna always have those type of people no matter what, like people who are scared to come out to protest but they want to so I, I completely agree with you on that, that there's an awakening going on, and unfortunately, there's still people who aren't, who are still ignorant to it, unfortunately, you know, that, that's definitely in the Black community, they could, they, they still see Jews as all whites, no matter what, unfortunately, there's only a little of us, it's, it's, it's, it's awakening in the Black community too, thankfully, but, and that's actually thanks to Michael Jackson, especially↗

3:37:20Speaker 16his, seeing all his, So there is, there is an awakening, I'm not even refusing that. I just hope that, like, I do hold out hope. I don't know what's gonna happen, but I hold out hope that this awakening keeps growing and we, we can start stop being alone because I'm tired of, like, I see all the problems around us right now, and I just want us to, like, fix it. And one day I want someone to hold a space on economics because, I think that's the number one way to fix a lot of problems, but no one↗

3:37:58Speaker 13Definitely. Well said.↗

3:38:01Speaker 16Well, yeah, that's pretty much what I needed to say. this is a good, talk, guys. I knew you'd go there.↗

3:38:07Speaker 11Thank you, my friend.↗

3:38:09@joann_marieThank you so much. I, wait, what is it? Oh, Dr. Smith, oh, really quickly,↗

3:38:15Ian Malcolmif, if you wouldn't mind, I'm curious, what on, on the economic side, what would be the ideal kind of bullets if you could encapsulate two or three things?↗

3:38:25Speaker 16In the Fed, bring back sound money. doesn't, doesn't matter what it is, it could be Bitcoin, gold, gold, whatever. if anything, they should all be there at once and essentially remove a lot of regulations. The FDA needs to go. so there's a lot more to it, but those are the two, two main things we need to take care of.↗

3:38:46Speaker 13Can I add quickly to that? 'Cause this topic, I really do believe that, like Ian, I reckon you'd be great for a space on this, just because like people fund-- fundamentally misunderstand what money is and where it comes from. Like even if we got rid of the Federal Reserve, it's the commercial banking industry that produces ninety-five percent of the total money supply in America. and that total money supply, M3 and aggregates, has nearly doubled in the last decade, and that the power of inflation, people don't understand how destructive, insidious, and pernicious inflation is.↗

3:39:16Speaker 13Reduction of quality of living and all these like, you know, economic, socioeconomic issues are, is that that the actual technology of money has been weaponized and even in the courts of laws, like, you know, like banks create money out of thin air. They, they purchase your loan agreement as a promissory note and they print money out of thin air. And they've been able to do this for over a hundred years. They've been buying up all the real tangible assets, the soft and hard power, and that's the main vehicles of this technocratic control is that they're-↗

3:39:43Speaker 13Into private hands, and we need to take back the issuance of currency into, back into the public, which is what we have analogs with, you know, with the, with the Germ, the Germ Miracle and other forms took back money and collateralized it to, you know, industrial or infrastructure or, or real tangible assets. And just to summarize, to, to fix the financial industry, we just need to create lending towards things that add p-- that actually add value. Right now we have, you know, speculative lending Financial institutions using it for, financial speculation,↗

3:40:18Speaker 13and that's what the financial industry is doing. It's a Jewish group, centralized, vertically integrated, monolith, and that attached with the, you know, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence-industrial complex, and all these other, you know, forms of control. Like, the money needs to be solved before we, we, we solve all these other issues, because they can buy any politician, they can print money, and that's a↗

3:40:42Speaker 16Yeah, and in fact, now, Elon Musk is like worth one, one, the one trillion dollar thing is a, is basically a canary in the, in the coal mine of like where this all led to. It's basically, it's, it's so much money, it, it means nothing at this point. It's literally saying all that money means nothing. Obviously, we know it's not like actually liquid money, but it just means that it's so worthless to the point that if someone gets to a trillion, like, it doesn't mean anything anymore.↗

3:41:09Speaker 13It's so They use him as the scapegoat because the Rothschilds have had more money than humanity collectively for a long, long time. Oh, I believe that, with↗

3:41:17Speaker 16all their assets, yeah.↗

3:41:19Speaker 13Like, and, and like they, they use him as like, you know, the, the bad billionaire and, and they can scapegoat him, but, but effectively he's a billionaire that we have access to and is trying to, you know, talk to the public. A lot of these other groups, they pay money to stay off the Forbes richest list, like they pay-- they have unlimited wealth,↗

3:41:36Speaker 13like and, and they've been doing this for so long now that even if we got rid of the Fed or the commercial banks, they've bought up all the real tangible assets and power. So we, we need to take back this knowledge, 'cause essentially money, this insane cabalistic group of people that have just hold the world leveraged us. So it's a huge issue↗

3:42:02Speaker 13we're talking about↗

3:42:04Speaker 16Yeah, and the way you do that, the way you do that is you force them to have to, use their money because they're hoarding all these assets and they're using the, fiat system to basically collateralize it, essentially. That's why they have all this infinite money. They're basically playing this game of like, "Oh, we're getting the most of this, and you guys, the peasants at the bottom, you're just using our little slave wage, essentially." It is, I call it "slave bucks" because that's technically what this,↗

3:42:34Speaker 16I know some people said they wanna do a wealth tax on it, no, that's not what you do. If you wanna do an actual wealth tax, you don't call it tax. What you do is you force them to use their, wealth to actually produce things, because if it's sitting there, it doesn't do anything, but if they're having to sp- you force them to spend it, and then it creates a counterbalance against their, trying to, buy luxury, right? Because you either lose all, all of it or you start producing something productive↗

3:43:03Speaker 16You have to fix the money first, in the end. Well, thank,↗

3:43:06Speaker 11thank you, my friend. I, I fear if we go further, we're going to actually have- Yeah, I need to get, I need to get- We'll have to have, but, interesting subject, and I hopefully we'll, maybe return to that on another day.↗

3:43:18Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, I, I think we could probably do is, maybe we could get Rob and, David and a handful of others if, if they'd like to tackle that subject and↗

3:43:33Ian MalcolmOf our health and, and, kind of let, let's say the spiritual wealth conversations with Mr. Rob, I always love having him, in these rooms. And, and really quickly, I just wanna add to that and suggest, around this panel, I look at it in between Rob, Mighty, it's, it's been wonderful having, not just, our co-hosts here, David and Joanne, but also the wonderful Colin, Amiru, and, and Navy, I know there's some differences of opinions there,↗

3:44:01Ian Malcolmbut I, I feel blessed to have so many just beautiful minds with us, so many brilliant people. I know Rabbi was in here just a minute ago, and I, I, I really feel like we've built a, a unbelievable stable of intellect. It's, it's, it's always just very humbling to be part of it.↗

3:44:20@joann_marieI, I love you guys.↗

3:44:23Speaker 13You know, it's the best. The best. Please, it really is.↗

3:44:26@joann_marieIt's so fucking awesome here, I love it. It's↗

3:44:29Speaker 13unbelievable. It gets you in the feels.↗

3:44:32Ian MalcolmNo, it's, it's, it's because of us, right? It's a, it's a collective movement, and, wouldn't be possible. Joanne, I heard, I, I saw somebody say Joanne needs to get, she needs to get me and more often. No, I, I, I love that Joanne is just always, just brilliant sunlight of, of positivity and optimism. It's, it's, it's very much needed in these dark conversations that we have.↗

3:44:55@joann_marieI don't, I don't think I'm that nice. I, I, I laugh a lot, but no, I love being here and, and love you guys. I learn so much. You can't help but, you can't help but↗

3:45:02Ian Malcolmsnicker at somebody being ridiculous. I always laugh so hard.↗

3:45:07@joann_marieDid I cry? I literally cry in this space so much. I, I love it. And, and it's also so inspiring. So, no, it's, it's just beautiful, and we, we share so, like, different opinions, and we always come together, which is↗

3:45:23Speaker 13You know, you know so much about all these topics, like you're a true, you're a true polymath. Like, no matter what it is, you always have like this, like, hidden insight, and it's just like, you're listening to these people and then you come up and you like recontextualize it. I don't know, it's just truly remarkable what you do,↗

3:45:39Speaker 11Joann.↗

3:45:41Speaker 13It really↗

3:45:41@joann_marieis. It's,↗

3:45:42Speaker 13I,↗

3:45:43@joann_marieI love↗

3:45:43Speaker 13it.↗

3:45:44Speaker 11And that's why he's president of your fan club.↗

3:45:50@joann_marieLet's go to the next one, strange. And also, guys, please repost this page and follow Ian and David and Colin and, and the AV and everyone in the panel. It's just, I, I, I don't post that much, but yeah, I- I'm in really good spaces, so if, if you guys follow me, you'll see the notification. And, and Dr. Strange, welcome! Don't hurt it, my friend.↗

3:46:12@submission2tHi, folks. Hi, Joanne. Ian, David. So good to hear from you and everybody else on the panel. Always, really inspiring and, it's thought-provoking. I was listening into the, the morality discussion, and it just, I, I'm fascinated by it, because I spent years trying to properly understand this. A-as you may know, I, you know, I embraced Islam a long time ago, and this was one of the areas that I really struggled with, because when I was studying it, I said to myself, "Okay, so if somebody's not a Muslim, but a really good, upright person, would that person end up going to hell?" I just couldn't get myself to really↗

3:46:59@submission2tcome to terms with that. and I studied, as I studied more, I got a better understanding. so if, if it's okay with you, I'll just explain, at least, I think there's some similarities in Christianity as well, but hopefully it'll, it'll, it'll bring some, well, at least it'll give you a different perspective. in Islam, or at least in the Quran, there's this concept called fitra.↗

3:47:29@submission2tAnd it's mentioned a few places in, throughout the Quran, where essentially it's, it's your innate disposition and your innate morality. And it ties back to how God breathed His soul within us, which all of us, regardless of your religion, so you have this innate morality built in within your DNA, your ability to discern right from wrong, your ability to,↗

3:48:02@submission2tsee goodness for that matter And within it also is, within fitra or the innate disposition, is this yearning to seek God, to s- pursue and seek God. Now, here's where it gets a little, a little inter-interesting. In Islam, God has many names. many people just hear Allah, that, that's one of God's names, but if you have ever gone into a mosque like in Turkey or some of these other places, you'll see many names in Arabic,↗

3:48:42@submission2twritten on the mosque, up in the ceilings, like placard. So those, those names are The merciful, the forgiving, the patient, the appreciative, the truth, the just, the peaceful, loving, charitable, the gentle, the loyal, and the list goes on. So the point I'm trying to get at is that when you-- this morality is kind of linked with it, because when you- You're innately seeking justice, that is God, right? God is just, God is the truth. So when you're seeking the truth, when you're seeking justice, you're essentially seeking God. I just wanted to link that up. And,↗

3:49:29@submission2tthe Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said that we're all born on the fitrah, but our environments can corrupt the fitrah, depending on how we're raised. Depending on the society that we're in. and there are ways to actually resuscitate the feta as well. And what was-- and, and lastly, I'll end with this. and this is, this goes back to my original point about being good and,↗

3:49:59@submission2tconnecting with the creator even outside of any specific faith. There was a person before Islam in, the Mecca period, and he, he basically, he was a monotheist and he was a righteous person And the Prophet, peace be upon him, said that even though he wasn't necessarily a Muslim per se, like embraced Islam, he was still a godly man and he was destined for heaven because he was, he was, they referred to him as Hanif, meaning he followed the straight path. He didn't adopt paganism, he didn't,↗

3:50:40@submission2the, he was able to keep his fitrah, his innate morality, pure and not swerve out of it. So- I just thought that was interesting, in light of the conversation you guys, you- Was that Zarathustra? What was that? Was that↗

3:50:54Speaker 11Zarathustra, the Socratic notion?↗

3:50:57@submission2tNo, that's a good question. So, no, it wasn't Socratic, but it-- the, the point I'm trying to make is that it could happen at any point. It throughout history, because some people never received the message, some people weren't, or received it in a, the message of God, that is, some people received it, you know, in a, so Muslims believe that there is, there was 124,000 prophets sent to mankind from the beginning of time until the last prophet with the same message. As to what your purpose is and what you should do, and God picked role models for you to emulate, and Jesus, peace be upon him, being one of them, Moses, another, Abraham, another, and there are twenty five mentioned in the Quran, and Muhammad being the last one. Now Throughout history and time, throughout the world, there were these prophets sent, and they had the same message. So you have similarities across various,↗

3:52:00@submission2tsocieties, cultures, not exactly, but there are some similarities. But these were messages that were orally passed on in it early on, because there was no books in writing. So the last message was in the form of a book, and more importantly, the preservation Of it was to be held with, God promised that He-- God will preserve it until the end of time, because previous messages were essentially, from the Islamic perspective, not preserved its original authenticity. I, I'm, I'm, I'm swerving on, but,↗

3:52:39@submission2tlike any one of these individuals, like Buddha could have been a prophet, or he could have been a Hanif, for, for all we know. I just wanted to share that because, it just gives a different perspective on the morality question. So you--↗

3:52:52Speaker 11Well, I liked, I liked what you had to say, and it made me think of- Well, an idea that I've conveyed in the past that if you cultivate, goodness within, within you, you'll see it within other people. You know, so basically if you, if you get in touch with that which your own divine light, make sure that you follow it, because you do know right from wrong if you consult that within you and don't believe that, that the veracity of a given point is dependent upon the number of other people who subscribe to it, which of course is relativism and then nothingness. then you're apt to lead a good life and a- and also, you won't be so cynical about humanity, because you'll have almost a magical capacity to see that with other people all around you, and you are surrounded by a lot of good people. They just might be in really humble circumstances, you know? I always say it could be your, your waitress or your barista, it could be, you just don't know that, like the super high quality people, and they've just chosen to live good moral lives, and the people that we think of as sort of famous or role models People are barely human by comparison.↗

3:53:59@submission2tThat's such a good point. That, that is such an important point as well, especially the-- There are four ev-- Well, there's four temptations. I'll categorize it in, in the following way. There are four temptations that leads to man's downfall. The temptation for power, the temptation for greed, the temptation for lust, and the temptation for ego. And as you rise up, if you become more wealthy, if you become more celebrity, there's more of a chance that that can actually destroy your fitrah, destroy your innate morality, because now you're tempted far more with wealth and power and lust and whatever. So, you're absolutely right that you'll, you'll find the most humble and the ones who have the purest of their innate morality, those who aren't up high in the echelon But your average, you know, person that you meet across or the individuals who aren't necessarily, you know, I guess now we know, the Epstein class up in the Epstein class. but, but that's a very important point that you mentioned, David, and I appreciate that you, you brought that up.↗

3:55:13@joann_marieThat was beautiful, thank you so much, Dr. Strange. Alright, I am gonna go to someone who hasn't spoken, and then, and then I'll circle back. Hulk Smash, welcome, go for it.↗

3:55:28Speaker 17Thanks, Joanne. thanks for having us up, Malcolm, and, David, good afternoon. alright, just gotta remember what I was gonna say. Yeah, so like, I was listening to what you were saying there. Now, let me start this, Ian. The other day, I was listening to you as well when there was another maths question. So, I'm normally pretty good at maths, but, and I got it right this afternoon, quite quickly, but the other day I was in the middle of doing something else as well, and I got the answer wrong, and I feel like a right idiot. But, it was all funny.↗

3:56:05Speaker 17David, I like your question about the, chessboard being in the locker if you're not there. And, I quickly had to go through that myself, you know, and sort of say Right, okay, we're on the physical realm, going through, you know, there's physical matter and time, so yeah, that is still there if you're not there. But I wondered if you've, faced this question before, and what your, what your answer is, is that, you know, in the forest, if there's no one there and a, and a tree falls, does it still make a noise?↗

3:56:40Speaker 11yes, it does. It makes a noise. So how'd you know? Well So what we do is we extrapolate. You, people would say, "Well, it's im-- it's not empirical to say that it makes a noise if we're not there." Yes, it is, because we derive, and I think Emmanuel Kant did a pretty good job of this, our capacity to reason is the commingling of reality with our mind. So your mind grasped reality the way that your hand grasped a coffee cup. Right. So the coffee cup represents,↗

3:57:12Speaker 11the phenomenal existence, and your mind is represented by the hand in order to grasp that. So that is the interplay. So it's reasonable to assume with strong confidence that we know that the tree makes a noise. When you're saying definitively done, there really isn't like a definitive knowing, there is a confidence in knowing.↗

3:57:32Speaker 11so the answer, answer to this was, was response to David Hume's pure skepticism, as you say, there are no laws of nature, we merely infer those by custom, and Kant's response was absolutely genius in "Critique of Pure Reason," so there, that's my answer.↗

3:57:48Speaker 17Okay, thank you. 'Cause what I was gonna, then move on to was, have you ever seen that experiment where they put the, the- The slit,↗

3:57:55@joann_marieyeah, the observer effect. In the slit,↗

3:57:56Speaker 17yeah. So it's only 'cause it's being observed that, that, that actually makes the wavelength. And I thought it could apply to sound as well,↗

3:58:04Speaker 11Yeah, but that, that's a different thing, and it's, but that's an absolutely amazing thing. By the way, Isaac Newton started that, you know, if he had only discovered↗

3:58:15Speaker 11he would still be one of the greatest geniuses who ever lived, but he went on to write the laws of motion. So, but yeah, that's very interesting, enigma, enigmatic. I've heard quantum physicists talk about that. I was once a point in my life where I was really into quantum mechanics for a long time and loved all that stuff.↗

3:58:29Ian MalcolmWait, David, to play off Hulk's question, I got one for you, which is on that idea of the, the, the quantum elements, because I, I always find it really interesting that, essentially every action↗

3:58:44Ian MalcolmYou get down to that level, which it's kind of unsettling, because basically if the world works the way that we think it does until we get down to something that's almost impossible to discern, it, it makes me question what else might be at play that would, would make a world that seems to, to, to make so much mathematical sense all of a sudden go haywire. I'm curious if you have any thoughts.↗

3:59:06Speaker 11Well, the important thing, I say in these instances, l-l-that we shouldn't mystify it, you know, mysticism isn't nothing more in these instances than the spiritualization of ignorance. But the assumption of the mind, this is epistemological, your mind can only function under the premise that nature is a hundred percent consistent, right? If the, if every day, if the sun came up as a chair tomorrow, if, if existence was always in flux, then there would be no work for the mind to do. You see, the mind would have no- No more,↗

3:59:38Speaker 11no more thoughts upon which to consider than it, than it'd be like a cow not, not having anything to masticate upon, you know? You- The, the function of the mind is to concatenate under the presumption that reality is a hundred percent consistent. This is why Francis Bacon famously said, "Nature to be commanded must be obeyed."↗

4:00:00Speaker 18So when we find these inconsistencies, then we're just looking for the synthesis, right? And this has been true throughout history. There's been many instances where it doesn't work. This is why Copernican theory ended up triumphing over-- triumphing because there were all sorts of inconsistencies, which were mysteries to Ptolemaic astronomy, which ruled the roost, I'll remind everybody, for at least a thousand years until Copernicus came along and had his Copernican- moment where everybody was like, "Oh, well, that's it, there's the synthesis." So that just means we need to keep looking. It doesn't mean we can't go on the assumption that, that it's all irrational and that it's inconsistent, it doesn't work, because that itself would be some kind of reality, ironically. You see what I'm saying? No, absolutely. That↗

4:00:41Speaker 19should be an- There's space on philosophy with David, it,↗

4:00:46Speaker 20it sounds amazing. But he's missing the key, objective morality isn't observe- observable. Like, you can observe reality, but you can't observe what is right or wrong. Like, what he's missing with these scenarios is, oh, is like, if the tree falls, like you- Like, oh, can you tell if the tree falls? But we can't really tell. Is it right if the tree fell, if you chopped it down? Is that right or wrong? You're taking down the entire forest. That's not what he was talking about.↗

4:01:15Speaker 21That's not what he was talking about. Bro, even, let me explain what's going on here. Oh my God. Look, look Fixed when it's observed, okay? The observer can't be separated from what's observed, okay? And, and this, this is what a lot of ancient like religions or spiritual teachings have shown. If you talk about the Upanishads in, in Hinduism, consciousness they believe is not produced By the material world. The material world is produced by consciousness, and, and this is what we're finding with, with quantum physics now. So you're not talking about a whole other, that's how you- Yeah. But now,↗

4:01:58Speaker 20but now you're getting to the whole does, does the tree make a sound in the↗

4:02:02Speaker 21woods, which is what he was responding to.↗

4:02:03Speaker 19We're, we're having a, this happens a lot in, in, In this conversation, the idea of the observer effect, just to be clear, whenever quantum physicists say observation, it doesn't need to be by a conscious being, right? Like just to be 100% clear about this, no, no, it doesn't.↗

4:02:21Speaker 21No, no, no, it doesn't. No,↗

4:02:23Speaker 19no, the wave-particle, wave-particle duality still, like superposition still collapses. One second. My apologies. Particle, particle superposition, superposition. One second, one second. Superposition does, the wave function still collapses whenever there's any observation. What they mean by observation is interaction on the quantum level with actual physical macroscopic things. And the thing is, is that we are, like, the entire universe is macroscopic as well. So observation can happen with measuring devices. It can happen with all types of things that aren't,↗

4:03:00Speaker 19That aren't conscious observation by, like, an organism.↗

4:03:03Speaker 21A hundred percent. But like, we need to go to space with↗

4:03:05Speaker 18David and Colin, like, it would, it would be so interesting.↗

4:03:08Speaker 20Let me break it down for you. You can measure the wavelength, you can measure all these different things, but can you measure the goodness of something? Can you measure the evilness of something? No one would like to relate to morality. Right now, yes.↗

4:03:18Speaker 19And yes. No, no, you couldn't.↗

4:03:20Speaker 20No, no, actually, you couldn't, 'cause it would be your preference.↗

4:03:29Speaker 22It↗

4:03:30Speaker 18Yes, I, I'd have to have a one-on-one class for you there, my friend, before we can do this. Exactly, all you can do is ask me about Latin American women. But RB, hold on. But R- Oh, Rob, sorry.↗

4:03:39Speaker 23David, can I say something? It's holding in. Sure, go ahead. Thanks, mate. I was gonna say that the gentleman said that, you know, it's not observable morality, but then we, we went back early, didn't we, about religions and, you know, if- If, if you weren't taught anything about Christianity and you, and you, and you,↗

4:03:59Speaker 23you know, lived a Muslim life with, you know, God in your heart and, you, you chose what was right and wrong from, you know, that decision in your mind, well then that's sort of observable and it is observable for you.↗

4:04:14Speaker 20That would be called subjective morality. You'd be choosing what you wanna do, right?↗

4:04:20Speaker 18Yeah?↗

4:04:21Speaker 20Yeah, so that would be what you want to do. I really don't↗

4:04:23Speaker 18have to be mocking towards someone, maybe just-↗

4:04:26Speaker 20Hey, you've mocked me, shut your mouth. In his, in his mind,↗

4:04:29Speaker 18he doesn't have any sense. But Holt didn't↗

4:04:30Ian Malcolmsay anything or do anything to be even remotely offensive towards you. I'm, I'm curious why you're attacking me. How does it say, what do you mean I'm attacking you? I've been waiting for a host to say that for↗

4:04:38Speaker 23absolutely ages.↗

4:04:39Speaker 20Again, you're very disrespectful, lady. I'm half, I'm half English↗

4:04:53Speaker 20I don't want anyone to smash, I'm straight, I like women. I just- Smash your ass, Mike. That↗

4:04:56Speaker 24doesn't- What↗

4:04:57Speaker 19am I-↗

4:04:57Speaker 20That doesn't make any sense. Like,↗

4:05:00Speaker 19I- AV, I just wanna be clear, almost everyone up here from, at least the people I know, do believe in objective morality. The, the, then this points out that you don't- Okay. That they don't- That you don't understand the, the, the argument, right? Like, not all secularists are moral, believe in moral subjectivity. You know↗

4:05:19Speaker 19that Believe in objective morality, right?↗

4:05:23Speaker 20Oh, then they're retarded.↗

4:05:27Speaker 19What? Debate, bro. See, this is where, see, this is why a lot of guys just shouldn't get into it, because you just don't have the intelligence, bro.↗

4:05:35Speaker 20I, I, I again, again, tell me, tell me, where do you get the-- Because you can, you can measure wavelength. Hold on, Emiro, Emiro's↗

4:05:41Speaker 18next. What do you have to say? David,↗

4:05:43Speaker 20David, you're running. You can measure wavelength. No, I'm fine. That's We're going to Emiro. He mocked me when I asked this question, but measure goodness. We're going, listen. No,↗

4:05:56Speaker 18answer the question,↗

4:05:57Speaker 20David. Are you scared of AR's↗

4:06:00Speaker 18intellect? Answer the question, David. You↗

4:06:02Speaker 20fucking moron. Answer the↗

4:06:03Speaker 24question,↗

4:06:03Speaker 18David. We're going to Emiro next. We're going to Emiro next, but you're welcome to hold the space for yourself. Measure goodness, David. Why are you↗

4:06:10Speaker 22going to me? You're so obviously scared from AV. You're scared of the fucking AR. Measure goodness, AV, AV. Look, so how can you measure objective morality? We're eyeballing it right now, right? You look at the Talmud, you're like, "Yeah, I'm just eyeballing it. It's kinda, it's shitty," right? Like, it's not like it can't be seen, right? And- Yeah, it's↗

4:06:30Speaker 20objective, thank you.↗

4:06:32Speaker 22What's that? You,↗

4:06:34Speaker 20you just said you are eyeballing it, which means you are making the decision from your culture, from your- No, I'm saying the human brain is↗

4:06:41Speaker 22eyeballing it. That's what I'm saying↗

4:06:44Speaker 20So, yeah, so you're saying you came to the subjective, reasoning, your subjective morality that you think it's wrong?↗

4:06:52Speaker 22No, I'm saying the human race got here with its brain. That's what I'm saying.↗

4:06:57Speaker 20What the fuck are you talking? No.↗

4:07:00Speaker 22That's just like base reality stuff we're talking about here.↗

4:07:03Speaker 20Oh God, please don't do it. No, I believe God created us.↗

4:07:08Speaker 22God↗

4:07:08Speaker 20created- Whatever↗

4:07:08Speaker 22created us, it created us.↗

4:07:11Speaker 20God created the morality. What is good, what is evil, what is right, what is wrong? If I, if I don't↗

4:07:17Speaker 25get to create, AV, don't get to create what is right and↗

4:07:18Ian Malcolmwrong. AV, so you're saying, just to be clear, you're saying that God created all of us and God created morality, is that right?↗

4:07:25Speaker 20Yeah.↗

4:07:26Ian MalcolmSo would that not make it an objective piece of the puzzle?↗

4:07:31Speaker 22Look, here's, here's the issue, AV, this is like, like what if I, objective, look, objective morality, objective morality exists. Wait, wait, objective morality exists. Just a question of doesn't exist with or without God. No, no, no, I'm↗

4:07:44Ian Malcolmarguing the opposite. You're saying subjective, which is that you are going to make a subjective determination on it versus objective. But if you're saying this was given to all of us in terms of what is and isn't good, then it is going to be matched up against that which has been given, which Or make it an objective, not a subjective, determination. Do you know what cultural-- Do you know↗

4:08:06Speaker 20cultural, do you know what cultural norms are? You're taking away, you're taking away how people are raised, you're taking away culture, you don't want to take away anything. You, you just↗

4:08:14Ian Malcolmgave me your definition. I'm using your-- I'm repeating and regurgitating back to you, and I'm using your one plus one, and I'm saying it equals two, and you're now saying no.↗

4:08:25Speaker 20No, no. So there is one goodness, there is one righteousness, and that is God's objective morality.↗

4:08:30Ian MalcolmOkay. But you can say, so is anybody applying that than objectively or subjectively applying that which has been objectively provided?↗

4:08:37Speaker 20If you are following God's command, God's law, then you are following the objective morality, correct? Fuck, dude, you're butchering this↗

4:08:44Speaker 19argument. Hold on.↗

4:08:45Speaker 20You're↗

4:08:45Speaker 19fucking making it and↗

4:08:46Speaker 18fucking, fucking, fucking it up↗

4:08:48Speaker 19so↗

4:08:48Speaker 18bad.↗

4:08:49Speaker 19Why did you bring it up again? He's gonna get↗

4:08:51Speaker 25stuck in this spurt of again. Goddammit.↗

4:08:57Ian MalcolmI'm sorry, it↗

4:08:58Speaker 20was↗

4:08:59Speaker 25just an easy↗

4:09:01Speaker 24way to point out. What do you mean? Just, just, just a quick comment.↗

4:09:03Speaker 25Look,↗

4:09:04Speaker 20if you↗

4:09:04Speaker 25follow your↗

4:09:04Speaker 20own morality, don't you↗

4:09:05Speaker 25think, don't, don't you think that when God created us, He instilled some level of morality within us? You know, we're made in God's image, right? According to Christianity. Yeah. But don't you think that God instilled within us, innately, all humans, some level of morality?↗

4:09:28Speaker 25regardless of your religion, you're born with, encoded in your DNA, some level of morality. And↗

4:09:36Speaker 20you, and you, and you subjectively apply it, correct? So if, like, let's say you're born and raised to be a Hindu, you think↗

4:09:44Speaker 19it's okay, you think it's right, no. Listen, AV, no one in here has argued for subjective morality a single time. All right? No, not a single person.↗

4:09:52Speaker 20David, I'm showing David that he's wrong 'cause he believes secularists can have objective morality. No, no, Colin is right. You're assigning↗

4:09:58Speaker 22subjective morality to your enemies, just like↗

4:10:01Speaker 20what's going on. No, no, listen,↗

4:10:05Speaker 24David's an idiot. Why would I listen to his argument?↗

4:10:07Speaker 20No, David said that a secularist could have↗

4:10:11Ian Malcolma objective↗

4:10:12Speaker 24statement↗

4:10:12Ian Malcolmon David, right,↗

4:10:13Speaker 24Thor?↗

4:10:16Speaker 20Are you guys not even listening to David? Like, what is going on?↗

4:10:19Speaker 24I wanna talk to these younger Christian guys quickly, if you don't mind, Ian. Did it ever occur-- how old are you guys? A, R, and the other guy who was talking to him? And no disrespect intended, but, you know, I'm a guy who's been in San Francisco all my fifty-five and a half years, and until I was twenty-six years old, I was pointing the finger, saying, "You, you're gay. You, you're having premarital sex. And you, you're a coke fiend and an alcoholic." I am going to kick your↗

4:10:49Speaker 24To suffer an eternal damnation with Hitler, Stalin, and Jeffrey Dahmer. Now, in retrospect, I shouldn't have thrown Hitler into, the abyss the way I did. But here's, but here's the thing, I'll take, two and a Coke also, Colin, while you're at it, brother. Gotcha. But, but listen, thanks, man. Send me the bill. three thousand miles away from you, will they deliver? I hope. Yes, bro. Come on, come on. Okay, thanks, man. Okay, so I'm almost These guys a now serious question. So my faith as a cradle Roman Catholic, twelve years of Catholic schools here in San Francisco, mom and dad matted Old Saint Mary's Roman Catholic Church, it was a huge part of our lives. Well, and you'll experience this too, this joy I'm about to describe. My parents died four years ago, my older brother is a liberal, and my younger brother is even more red pilled and base than, as you kids say base, than I am. If that's even possible. But I don't really believe in God, I don't really have the faith I did, unfortunately. I'm very cynical, realistic, jaded, a realist, if you will, not the idealist the Roman Catholic Church made me out to be. And that's fine, I accept. Hopefully I'll get, you know, thirty-five more years, I'll hit ninety the way Mom and Dad, Dad hit eighty-nine, Mom ninety. I have over-- I'm almost done, hold on, I'm al-- I'm almost done. I have over fifty, how↗

4:12:19Speaker 24I have over fifty videos on my Telegram channel of, how do I put this, not Africans, absolutely not, not black Africans eating each other after various wars and tribal conflicts, and this is a real dose of the savage, animalistic nature of the human, yeah, animal. We are animals. This is my experience. Hold on. We are... Quiet, quiet. We are savage animals unless we are tamed, domesticated. Really with probably a man-made religion, what's gonna happen to you guys if it's fifty-five or seventy-two, you, you come to this maybe conclusion that, I was brainwashed, maybe there is no God, maybe there is no great big ball, big ballroom in the sky, you won't see your loved ones when you die, and then at that, at the same time, there's no hell and Satan, maybe these are fabrications by Jews. I know I'm pissing some of you off because I'm literally destroying potential- Actually, your very worldview. But I'm not there yet. I don't disbelieve all of this stuff, but my God, I am cynical, especially with this realization that we are fucking animals, with the exception of the people in Ian's face. We're all, angels and do-gooders and sinless. But what are you guys gonna do? W- Did it ever occur to you that you might lose some faith and start to disbelieve creationism or intelligent design, wherein- God created the heavens and earth in six days and rested on the Sabbath. That's all I wanted to say.↗

4:13:55Speaker 20Well, I can destroy this argument if there is no- Wow,↗

4:13:58Speaker 24listen to that arrogance. Destroy- What are you, twenty-three years old? Go ahead, kid. So listen, I can↗

4:14:04Speaker 20destroy this argument. So again, if there is no God and we are just random animalistic beasts roaming around on a floating sphere, or you believe we're in the firmaments, surrounded by reptilians, whatever you believe- No, not a flat↗

4:14:18Speaker 24earther.↗

4:14:19Speaker 20Okay, I said whichever sphere, or if we're in a firmament with reptilians, if we're surrounded by Anunnaki, whatever you believe, then what does it matter if you go around just taking people's lives or destroying everything? It doesn't matter, because again, there's no judgment. That's ridiculous. It doesn't↗

4:14:37Speaker 24matter. It does matter, because if you kidnap someone's daughter, rape her, and kill her, you will have half of humanity tearing you limb from limb and boiling you in acid.↗

4:14:50Speaker 20But again, what if the person, what if that beast you said doesn't care about the consequences? What if you're talking to a psychopath and they're like, "You know what? I don't care if they get hurt, and if I don't care if I get hurt."↗

4:15:01Speaker 24So that's pretty rare because the human animal's number one instinct is self-preservation, and that applies to all animals, I've noticed. But I digress, carry on with your fantasy. And↗

4:15:13Speaker 22if I can continue because I was interrupted by AV, I didn't really get my point across yet. Please, AV I, so the, the stuff about the quantum and, and all that stuff was, very interesting, and, if you guys ever host a space on that, I'll also, I guess I'll probably attend any space at this point.↗

4:15:32Speaker 22but, oh, shit, I lost my train of thought. Oh, no.↗

4:15:37Speaker 21Are you talking about the observer effect or what?↗

4:15:41Speaker 22Yeah,↗

4:15:43Speaker 23don't worry, it happens to me all the time.↗

4:15:45Speaker 22Oh,↗

4:15:45Speaker 23yes,↗

4:15:45Speaker 22I remember now. So earlier, because it was so long ago, you, you asked me a question about the house and if you came into my house and forced me out, and I misheard it and I said, "Yeah, it's your house now," but no, it's not. Just wanted to correct that. but it's been a great space, glad to be a part of this. I've never laughed this much in even spaces before, it's been a good time and I apologize for bringing back the moldy oranges, if that's the↗

4:16:10Ian Malcolmcase.↗

4:16:15Ian MalcolmNo, and we'll, we'll keep doing what we can to run them as positively and productively and, righteously, as we can. and I see that we got a couple other hands. I also know that Mr. Truth Teller has opened, his room. And so what I'm going to recommend is that we do a mass exodus from here and go and support the wonderful work that he does. But, before↗

4:16:37Speaker 24that, are you going to part the Red Sea for us?↗

4:16:39Ian MalcolmExactly. As we exodus. We will part the Red Sea Is read with the lies and the propaganda that is the media, and we will lead a path over to Mr. Truth Teller's face. But before we do, let's get some final remarks. We keep them all rather tight, that we can go through everybody else that wants to contribute, some little thoughts here while we wrap, and then we will go to Mr. AV for some final remarks on the subject of the space, and we will go up to Colin for his, last little remarks, and then a prayer perhaps from David, if he's available. But, I saw you had your hand up.↗

4:17:16Speaker 21Oh, no, that's okay. I, I was just gonna, I was gonna talk about the, the topic of the, the room, but that's fine. But, another thing I was just gonna say, just going back to, the observer effect, like Schrödinger was saying that quantum physics reveals the, the oneness of the universe. so, at the smaller scales, to the larger scale, everything is interconnected. so our consciousness does have a physical effect,↗

4:17:43Speaker 21Creates the consciousness it believes in. So they've, they've weaponized this, and they've got us all believing that the world's ending and everything's going wrong, but in fact, we're, we're leading this spiritual movement. We are moving towards the truth and the light, and they're doing everything they can to subvert this. so we just have to remain positive. This is a spiritual battle, and we will win. We have to take back our consciousness, our, our, you know, our power as divine beings, and, and where we collectively focus this, you know,↗

4:18:13Speaker 21because that's how we progress, because right now we're being socially engineered to, to think it's all falling down, when in fact right now things have never been more truthful, things have never been more positive, there's never been more hope. I was gonna talk about cultural revolution and the Bolsheviks, but there's no time for that. Love to everyone here.↗

4:18:31Ian MalcolmSo much love as well, Mr. Rob, and, I'll send you a note 'cause we gotta get our next space on the books. We'll also set up that one on, on the financial side of things. I think it'd be very interesting to, to cover. Let's go to Mr. Hulk, and, then we'll check in with Breon.↗

4:18:47Speaker 23Yeah, well, cheers, Gideon, and, shout out to Rob, he's, top bloke, mate, sending me, messages and stuff in All good. So yeah, like, I've loved the space, and I'll head over to Truist in a minute, but I had a quote, I, 'cause of the tree in the forest now, I was thinking, what's that quote that Eric Cantona done? I don't know if you even know who Eric Cantona is, but he was a famous, midfielder for, Man United. not that they're my team or nothing, but,↗

4:19:17Speaker 23yeah, he once, he once got- Some fan told him something about his mum as he got sent off, and he just launched into the crowd with a kung fu kick and, took him right out. But anyway, he once said, "When the seagulls follow the trawler, is it because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea?"↗

4:19:44Speaker 23Good night.↗

4:19:45Speaker 18Thank you, my friend.↗

4:19:47Ian MalcolmIndeed, wonderful commentary and, and Hawke, I couldn't, couldn't agree with you more. I'll, I'll double stamp the, the commentary there on Rob. He's, he's one of the absolute greats on, on this application. let's go to, Miss Brianne and, see if she has any thoughts she wants to add here.↗

4:20:05Speaker 26Hello. Yes, I was just gonna touch bases on what you guys were kinda talking about earlier, and it also ties in what Rob was saying on basically how I view things or how I see it, because I never understood the Matrix, but I look at it in a different way. What I see is how consistently as they were evolving They always went through the same phases of↗

4:20:36Speaker 26changing things or trying to change things at a certain time consistently, but they were in a different realm of trying to change things, which things were at a, I guess, a, I wouldn't say a halt, but it was still in its same↗

4:20:58Speaker 26State of evolving while they were actually breaking through.↗

4:21:07Speaker 26I don't know if anyone will understand that, but that's how I see it.↗

4:21:13Ian MalcolmWell, thank you. Indeed, and thank you for the commentary there, Brian. Let's, let's go because I, I don't know if we heard from, from Truth to the rescue, but, if you wanted to jump in with some thoughts on the, the space.↗

4:21:27Speaker 25Brian, if I just wanted to say good night, to everybody. Great space, as usual. pleasure you doing this, and I, I can't thank you enough for taking so much time to put these spaces together. I look forward to your next one. Have a blessed night, everyone.↗

4:21:44Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, Dr. Strange. Thank you so much, always such a pleasure, and, one of the earlier people I ever get to face, with, and, very, very grateful for everything that I've learned from you along the way, my friend. let's go to True to the Rescue, and then we'll go down to Mr. Bitcoin Blockchain.↗

4:22:02Speaker 27Hey, guys, just since we're going over the truth,↗

4:22:08Speaker 27really just, Comment for Anne, Cal, David. how do you guys, since I assume nobody has Marcus Aurelius money, how do you guys stay humble?↗

4:22:26Speaker 24Well, don't ask AR that question.↗

4:22:30Speaker 20Are you talking shit?↗

4:22:33Speaker 18Well,↗

4:22:33Speaker 27it was a little slight, yeah. It was a- How was it slight? Okay.↗

4:22:36Speaker 18Alright, alright, let's have↗

4:22:37Speaker 20a, let's have a boxing match then, if you wanna- Oh,↗

4:22:39Speaker 19no more debating, time for fucking fighting. Yeah. But↗

4:22:43Speaker 18I would say, humility is the, is the right- Humility? Well, you're saying stay humble. So, so he was- Stay humble,↗

4:22:51Speaker 20you just called me an idiot.↗

4:22:53Speaker 18Well, hold on, he's, I never called you that. So, hold on. That wouldn't make him↗

4:22:57Speaker 20not humble either.↗

4:22:59Speaker 18Right. But our friend here just said, how do you stay humble? Let's go. Hold on, just, hold on a second. Come↗

4:23:04Speaker 20on, put your fist down, come on. Swing. Dude,↗

4:23:06Speaker 18I- Okay.↗

4:23:06Ian MalcolmHey, AV, what are you doing here? Come↗

4:23:08Speaker 20on.↗

4:23:10Speaker 18So, but our friend here just said, "How do you stay humble in the face of ideas?" Humility is the best temperament with which to exchange ideas. So often there is some kind of transcendence between you or synthesis between you and someone else where you can try to understand each other. So when you're conducting yourself in the, in the field of ideas with other people, it's almost like you're both picking up a coffee table and carrying it, and you should both be the better for the experience. And the last thing I'll say about that is The person who learns is the person who wins. So, if that helps you, and, and, and, and also, you should think of yourself in the field of ideas as not trying to prove how smart you are, but how much you love and care for your, for your fellow man. I'm not interested in academic thinking, I'm interested in what promotes and prolongs our civilization and makes it more livable. So that would be my answer to the humiliate, humiliate, humility question.↗

4:24:06Speaker 20So you're interested in propaganda, got↗

4:24:08Speaker 18it. Hold on, I wasn't That was, thank you. Someone else. Yeah, you're welcome, my friend.↗

4:24:12Ian MalcolmYeah, and, and so, yeah, and I, I'd, I'd be curious for, for Collins' response to that same question, too. I think it's a really interesting one. And truth be told, I try just to always put myself in that kind of, frame of mind because I've been so wrong about so many things, and I've realized that there are so many brilliant people that I have so much to learn from, and it's why I really- I love that we have the, the cast of, of growing characters that we are surrounded by in this space and so many others, right? And, and I mean, I, I think I know these subjects pretty well, and then I go into truth-tellers rooms, and it's like, I've never even heard of some of these names, right? And, and, and so there's, there's two things. Number one, on this subject and in the world in general, we always can improve, right? And I always go back to that quote about, Michael Jordan,↗

4:25:09Ian MalcolmYear, he was the best player on the team, but by the end of that year, he had already learned everyone else on his team's best move and incorporated it into his repertoire, right? And so we, we can always take anything and everything from those around us into the comment David made earlier. I have met some of the richest idiots and the poorest brilliant people on the planet. The, the, those two things are not remotely Equated, and so if you look at the system and you presume that, that the, you know, the, the brand on the front of your car is gonna be emblematic of the intellect of its driver, y-you're just Terribly misinformed, right? You're, you're, you're propagandized essentially. and, and so I always try to recognize that I, I learned things from all sorts of places, some of which I would never, in my younger days been able to presume that I would be able to, and I, I think it's just because when you're, when you're younger, right? You're, you're full of confidence that you understand how to tackle the world, and if you're remotely intelligent, by the time you get remotely older, you recognize that And so trying to always keep those things, the other thing that, to, to play off of that, if you're trying to convey things to the rest of the world, it doesn't matter how right you are, if everyone else thinks that you're obnoxiously arrogant, they're not gonna listen to anything you say. Right? So it's like, what's the point? You can, you could be the smartest person in the room, if everybody thinks that you're obnoxious, they're gonna run from your message. So if our intent is to try and become educated on a subject, recognize that you can learn from anybody and everybody lots of things, and if you wanna communicate those ideas with other people, then be able to recognize the best way to do it is to be relatable to them. Right? So, Kyle, and I'm, I'm curious for your thoughts though on that same question↗

4:27:01Speaker 19Yeah, I basically, I'll, you know what? I'll give an anecdotal experience sort of story 'cause it's, my reasoning is very similar to yours, but this is a great encapsulation of it. So, I had competed in jujitsu basically all my life, and I was pretty good, and I still train today, but back then when I was competing, I was, I was pretty decent, right?↗

4:27:22Speaker 19and, you know, when you first get into jujitsu and you have your first couple of classes, you'll↗

4:27:31Speaker 19You knew how to fight a little bit, but then you just get absolutely torn apart by some individual who is a lot smaller than you and a lot more technically proficient, and you realize you didn't never, you never knew how to fight. But then maybe you train like I did for ten, fifteen years or so, and you think, "Okay, I got a handle on this whole thing." Well, I, one day our gym was visited by a, a world-class black belt named Kajino, and, Kajino is in my weight class. And, me and Kajino, we had a sparring session and we rolled. And after fifteen plus years doing jujitsu and having a pretty good competitive acumen myself, I felt like the very first time that I had done jujitsu again, I got completely fucking destroyed by this guy who was my same size, and I remember thinking to myself, "Wow, what a waste of time." But then I remembered and got a little humble again and, you know, there's always someone better than you, there's always someone smarter than you, and that is because if you're at the peak, then, you know, well, there's not much to look forward to or up towards. So, you know, ultimately, you want, you want, this, this constant upward progression in ideas or in competition is something that is necessary and is something that is, n- you can't get away from it anyway. and so if you're gonna come at this thing honestly and you wanna compete in the realm of ideas or fighting or anything else for that matter, then, coming at it with hubris isn't a way to Actually get that hubristic attitude will get you caught up in a situation where you thought you were all that in a bag of chips, but then you get, taught exactly what the hierarchy is like once again, and it turns out you're not at the top of it.↗

4:29:12Speaker 20Okay, so again, I was good faith until David said what I was saying was retarded, and I asked him, "What do you think I was saying was retarded?" And then he started going off into like a reality meta conversation. So again, David, instead of answering my question, I don't↗

4:29:28Speaker 18think that question was an insult to you. I think you were just generally asking a question. Do you understand? No, no,↗

4:29:32Speaker 20I'm talking about earlier in the conversation. This is what I mean, you're being disingenuous in bad faith. So again, 100%. So again, Towards me. And then when I think I said you were,↗

4:29:44Speaker 18listen, my friend. Listen,↗

4:29:45Speaker 20and then you, you do all these jabs towards me, and then when I,↗

4:29:48Speaker 18my friend, listen, let, let's don't close the space this way. The question that was asked, I don't think was a shot at you. I think it was just a general question to us. So you seem to be taking that question personally.↗

4:29:59Speaker 20So now you're being-↗

4:30:02Speaker 19If you feel like maybe, it was a little bit of a personal attack, that ought to be perhaps some self-reflection for you. You're maybe,↗

4:30:10Speaker 20maybe being disingenuous again. No, I, I think maybe you guys should↗

4:30:14Speaker 22consider↗

4:30:15Speaker 20that.↗

4:30:15Speaker 22I think maybe↗

4:30:16Speaker 20you guys should↗

4:30:16Speaker 22consider that you guys are, oh my↗

4:30:19Speaker 20goodness, so now you're being disingenuous, Joe↗

4:30:20Speaker 19Stevens, huh?↗

4:30:21Speaker 20You make a jab at me, and I make a jab at you. Long time no see, bro. Hope you're doing well. How about this? I'll make a list of all the arguments that I got wrong.↗

4:30:29Speaker 18I'll tell you what, hey, let's do this. Then I can debate↗

4:30:31Speaker 20you, okay? If you're so smart, we can debate. Let's do↗

4:30:34Speaker 18this. Here, I will remove you as a speaker, and that way we can close the space without hearing your endless prattle. Oh my God, are you↗

4:30:42Speaker 19running right now, David? That's unbelievable. You're↗

4:30:44Speaker 22just, you're just showing, you're just showing exactly the, you know, bias that you have. I mean, you're not a master debater like, David. You just↗

4:30:53Speaker 18have to live with that.↗

4:30:55Speaker 22That's true.↗

4:30:56Speaker 18Yeah. And you know, on, on the humility question, something else too is, you know, real men don't try to win arguments, they make their point. Right, so just when you're sharing ideas with people, don't think like a ch- don't think like a child where you're like, "I have to be the winner, gosh, I won, I'm up one point over you." This isn't a mature way to conduct yourself in the field of ideas. You know, I have been in a room with people that are only, you know, really professional level people that pursue philosophy and get really derivative, by the way, and I am interested in what they have to say. The basic humility in a, in a debate is to first of all, be able to play back the argument of the other person to their satisfaction, so steelman the argument, and then try to have the pleasure of agreeing with yourself. Those two things will probably put you on your way, but it's not really gonna work if the other person that you're dealing with doesn't have a good temperament for reasoning. They don't have this kind of a smile on their face, some goodwill about them. If they're sort of like a petulant child who just really wants to win, it's probably not gonna be↗

4:32:02Speaker 24But life's all about winning, bro, and that's un-unfair. AR at all times has five thousand nine hundred twelve debate tactics and techniques in his back pocket, so it's all about winning, bro. He just↗

4:32:16Speaker 19repeats buzzwords, you know? If you repeat disingenuous, straw man, bad-fa- eventually you will get one of those right, and you'll, you'll, you'll use the term correctly, right? And,↗

4:32:25Speaker 24and Colin, by the way, disingenuous, he lit- yeah, he literally uttered that word three times in like thirty-seven Seven and a half seconds. How about using ingenuous, bro? He probably didn't even know the meaning. Well, how about using insincere or crafty or some shit, a synonym. That's what I love about the English language. Go ahead, guys, thanks.↗

4:32:45Speaker 19Crafty's nice, that has a little bit of a Jewish kinda, like, you know, I like that. Yeah. Oh, my dog's freaking out again. Hand, hand↗

4:32:52Speaker 18rubbing↗

4:32:52Speaker 24intensifies.↗

4:32:54Speaker 18How about ledger domain? That'd, that'd be a good one.↗

4:32:57Speaker 24That's straight out of the Dungeons↗

4:33:01Speaker 27Thank you. Thank you all for, replying to me. I appreciate it.↗

4:33:06Speaker 18Yeah, and I thought it was a great question, by the way. I didn't take that question as a shot at our previous speaker. I just thought you were just-- I just liked the question itself, and I thought that it's really good for how we all kind of move forward, especially since we are gonna have some differences, but we have to sort of remember what our cause is. We're brothers and sisters in that cause, and I'm very proud to be in a room with all of you, and↗

4:33:31Speaker 18David, you killed it, David.↗

4:33:35Ian MalcolmNo, he always does. David is absolutely brilliant, I'm sure everybody is following him. If you're not, shame on you. And, you know what, David, it's, it's both the intellect behind the commentary as well as the way in which it is delivered. It's always incredibly, it's, it's clear, it's easy to follow, and it's filled with love, right? And, and at the end of the day, that, that is the reason that we are going to continue winning is because we've got a message Of, of positivity that is uplifting, and, and ultimately our, our opposition is trying to take that from everyone, right? So I, I sincerely believe it. Let's go to Tom, always wonderful to have him in here, and then we will check in with Joe and, and Bitcoin.↗

4:34:17Speaker 28Thanks, Ian. Appreciate it. so I'll be as quick as I possibly can. I was listening earlier to Thor sharing some thoughts on religion. Or some doubt he has, and I wanted to share a few things because I was an atheist for fifteen years, and something ended up happening, which there were fifty plus witnesses to that completely made it impossible for me to entertain the possibility that God doesn't exist and doesn't participate directly in our lives. And so three quick points I wanna make. Number one, look, obviously, we're, we're made of some of the basic components, and we share many characteristics with other living beings here on this planet, but there's something that differentiates man from every other living being known to man Other than grays and reptilians and all this other theoretical nonsense. And that is our ability to create and change reality. We can literally envision a future that's completely impossible today, and maybe we can't accomplish it within our lifetime, although these idiots probably will soon with advanced AI. You can progress an agenda or a goal generation after generation and literally change the face of the earth, the way reality functions. No other living being shares those characteristics, and that's because we were created in God's image with the ability to create, which is, I would say, his primary characteristic, the separation. Please go ahead. Who is this? Who is this character that can't handle an argument? Yeah, you↗

4:35:36Speaker 21know, I'm, I'm listening to↗

4:35:39Speaker 28you, but it's,↗

4:35:39Speaker 22it's just like,↗

4:35:40Speaker 28oh, we can't- Yeah, well, if you wouldn't interrupt, I'd appreciate it. We actually know, we actually know the way we're doing on this panel. How's that sound? Can we↗

4:35:46Speaker 18let Tom finish, please?↗

4:35:48Speaker 28Yeah, what a dork. Who was- I'm sorry, I'm↗

4:35:50Speaker 18sorry my friend, please↗

4:35:51Speaker 28continue. Yeah, what a faggot. I'm↗

4:36:01Speaker 18So you were talking about, I think, where you were, is our innate ability to advance ourselves.↗

4:36:08Speaker 28We're, we're totally different than everybody else. Exactly. I mean, what other living being? Who is this dweeb? Bitcoin blocked the, who's this dumbass?↗

4:36:16Speaker 27No, we're totally different than everybody else. Go ahead.↗

4:36:20Speaker 28We're totally different than every other living being known to man, are we not, Sport? What other living being do you know that could create an advanced civilization? It's↗

4:36:28Speaker 18okay, I, I, I removed him so, as a speaker, so hope you don't, you don't mind me in, but I want our friend to continue. I'd↗

4:36:34Speaker 28love to beat the brakes off that guy. What a dumbass. Look, we're living in a world where the most powerful people-↗

4:36:40Speaker 18No, you know, just to echo what you're saying though about is our consciousness- Is, and I talk about the divine spark, the human consciousness is the rarest thing in the universe. It is so amazing. It is just, you know, when we were talking about I didn't wanna get into a philosophy course, you know, but epistemology is my thing, which is the nature and means by which we gain knowledge, furnish our minds with ideas, how we think, the function of our mind, and every great epistemologist has ended up writing a moral philosophy on top of his epistemology. Now he can be right and wrong about that, and they, and they, they do disagree with each other, and I disagree with them, but the important thing is it arises from their agency, from their awareness of how their mind functions, and it's really kind of Thing. And I don't know if we're all disagreeing as much as we think when we talk about that our morality is endemic to us, because that could be God-given. But just to your point, it is a beautiful and wonderful and marvelous thing, and we shouldn't, we shouldn't put that candle under the bushel or whatever the, whatever the metaphor is. So, amen to what you're saying. I think you're onto something, my friend.↗

4:37:48Speaker 28Yeah, and I apologize for the attitude, it's just that I'm not used to people jumping in and doing that. Typically, Ian's spaces are-- and Ian's the man, it's just you get these clowns on the panel that sometimes don't know how to behave with any modicum of civility in the space. But look, so the reason it bothers me is because we're living in a time where all of the means of communication, every single media outlet out there, news channel, you name it, influencer, is heavily pressured not to talk about these issues. So when you rarely hear someone up here that's passionate about this shit, you get some clown coming up on stage and interrupting, it's a bit upsetting. But anyway, guys, appreciate it.↗

4:38:26Speaker 24Can I reply to Tom quickly? I always appreciate someone trying to bring me back to the faith. And I'm no heathen. Look, I haven't had sex in ten and a half years. I never drink, I never smoke, I never party, I'm indoors ninety-seven percent. You haven't had sex in↗

4:38:44Speaker 18ten years?↗

4:38:45Speaker 24Ten and a half, almost. Not even a- Not even alone, just you at the computer? Well, no, I'm a master debater, d-b- the D E are in parenthesis there, the master debater. I was↗

4:38:57Speaker 18joking with you. But so,↗

4:38:58Speaker 24yeah, no, no, no, I remember learning, Brother Clay, first day of religion, high school, and so I want you young men to know that eighty-five to ninety-three percent of all young masturbate between three and seven times a week. He should have said between three and thirty times a week, then he would have covered, me I'm, but was a real outlier. But I'm self-deprecating. By the way, Ian, thanks for letting me self-deprecate and dehumanize and shout down at the most opportune of times, some of your panelists. It's always fun. I am not the intellectual David is. I literally feel like my IQ is going up when I hear the guy. He knows, just how to think, and that might sound retarded, but let me just finish. So, Tom, great guy, he's had so many long monologues and- Spaces. No more, I don't hear the guy anymore, so it was good to hear him chime in. But because my life didn't pan out how I expected, and let's face it, we are living-- and I only came to this red pill or jupe pill realization a dozen years ago, my God, I was forty-three. When I realized, we're in this disjunct dystopia,↗

4:40:10Speaker 24this, this world created by Jews, they're doing everything they can so that some of the best of us-- and I'm gonna be a little narcissistic, I can't not tell a lie, and include myself in that bracket-- I'm not married, never married, no kids, and that's just fucking sad. But what can you do? There's a lot of guys and gals. The gals, you can credit, or blame, feminism, for that, because- They were hoodwinked into thinking their own, their very own men are evil, and we're not. We're actually, responsible for most of the great achievements on planet Earth up to now. And so it's just sad, the Jews are destroying us in every way, shape, and form. I guess I'm co-miserating in spaces with not just my fellow whites. I don't need to only associate with whites, but I, I always did plan on having a white wife. I get that from Jared Taylor. Sorry, the H goes before the W, my fellow- Whites and white kids, but apparently I'm an evil fascistic Nazi if that was my, my aspiration. So that's my story, and again, I always admire these people that, to cling, who cling to their, their Christian faith in particular. Anyway, thanks, Tom.↗

4:41:22Speaker 28Hey, what's up? Yeah, really appreciate it, brother, but I'm not clinging to anything, dude. I was an atheist for years and thought there was no way on earth I would ever believe in God again, and then all of a sudden some crazy things happened that led me to learn one thing after another, and, you know, another thing that's really interesting is that there's a guy named Chris Langen He has a very fascinating theory on how a lot of the things that are explained in the Bible can be explained through mathematics. It would be interesting to have him on the show one day, I'd love to hear his, thoughts on that. And Tom,↗

4:41:52Speaker 24I think Chris Langen's IQ of two hundred and ten might actually, might rival David Nichol's here. Now, I know that's impossible, I shouldn't have even mentioned it, but, yeah, I know exactly who↗

4:42:04Speaker 28you're talking about. Yeah, the guy. One of the, one of the, yeah? He's an absolute I've replied to ten,↗

4:42:11Speaker 19I mean, mine's is that I tested that low one time, but I mean,↗

4:42:17Ian Malcolmyou didn't have breakfast that morning? Yeah,↗

4:42:19Speaker 19I, I didn't.↗

4:42:19Ian MalcolmYou're right, I didn't have my breakfast. I've, I've actually, I, I've, I've replied several times to him in hopes of getting a reply or, or getting him into a space. I, I don't, I don't know if he's, if he's participated them in the past. I know he's done a couple podcasts, but I would love,↗

4:42:40Speaker 19Worldview, right Ian? Sorry to interrupt, but right. He's no,↗

4:42:42Ian Malcolmno, he tweets, it's fascinating. He's literally one of the, the most intelligent people on the planet statistically speaking based on the tests that he's done, and he's basically like, it's very clear that the clergy plan is being put in place by, he doesn't use the term Jewish supremacists, but by the people in charge, and that they are clearly attacking white civilizations. And I would love to have the world's smartest person in a room with our panelists And the likes of David, it would be, yeah, it would be unbelievable to have them all in here. what is it? We've, we've got roughly, we, we got ten or twelve speaker slots, so,↗

4:43:22Ian MalcolmI think we might be able to muster an average IQ somewhere in the one thirties, one forties, one fifties, 'cause Chris would be lifting us all up. The, the rising tide raises all boats, and so I'd, I'd welcome that conversation if anybody, has any connections to him.↗

4:43:40Speaker 24He has a bit of a sob story too. He says, "He was highly intelligent, he always scored, placed, you know, the highest possible, you know, on, exams of all kinds, yet because his family ha-- was of no means essentially, and he was working at the post office, he-- and he blames the Jews. Hey, I just did that too. I just don't have a two ten IQ, what do you know? But, no, he blamed the Jews for his limited..." Opportunity, including thirty-five years of legal discrimination against whites in America in the form of nineteen sixty-one to nineteen ninety-six affirmative action signed into law by JFK, of all people. So that's part of his story. I digress, my friend.↗

4:44:28Ian MalcolmNo, you, you don't, and, and it's spot on, and, and it's very curious 'cause when he was talking about the clergy plan, it was actually, if I'm not mistaken, it was a, a clip with him and Keith Woods, who I also, very much have some admiration for. Wonderful work, and, and, and the way he approached it, I would presume that it's like a lot of those in these conversations and the spaces that we host, right? This isn't aimed at, at hating anybody based on some kind of animus or insecurity, it's just looking at all of these various patterns and coming to this very uncomfortable conclusion that, that just looks, it looks obvious to us now in the rearview mirror, but when you were approaching this real- Realization, right? It's very unsettling to think to yourself, "Wait, wait a second, I'm, I'm in the Truman Show. This, this, this is very bizarre, right?" But then, once you come to that conclusion, you look around and everything affirms it over and over and over again. And so I don't doubt that somebody with his intellect, if they're remotely honest about the world, they're gonna arrive at that conclusion. And then the, the, the big question becomes, do they benefit from shilling for that machine indifferent to morality? morality and calling out right and wrong, or do they stand on principle? And he obviously has just, he's called balls and strikes like he sees 'em. so lots of, lots of love and respect, to him. Again, I would love to have him in a space if we could ever figure that out. And as the last little thing, I will put this out into the ether, that will happen. He will join a space with us at some point in the future, and I say it because I once would have said the exact same type of things about lots of people that↗

4:46:10Ian MalcolmSo, you know, this is-- we're gonna continue to grow and to gain, steam, and I, I, I do sincerely believe that as long as Elon Musk and Nikita Bier allow us to continue doing what we do, as censored and suppressed as we are, that we will continue winning because our, our message is pure and it's righteous, and as a result, we are unstoppable, right? And I, I-- as the last little thing, I do think, barring the US government, that Elon Musk and Nikita Bier will probably let us do that. And so kudos to them. and I, I obviously will continue pointing out a certain aspect about that dynamic, right? But nonetheless, if we get to keep doing what we're doing, we will get more and more and more voices and, and more and more interesting guests in here with us. I'll be humbled by all of them as I am with all of you guys, and we'll, we're all in this, this journey together. I, it's kind of the most important takeaway, right? This, this isn't about any of us or clout or clicks or To fix the world, and I'm, I'm sure that I speak on behalf and Colin, I'll throw this one to you for some kind of closing remarks. It doesn't matter if it's these spaces or if it was back in the day with JQ Radio or the very first spaces that I ever spoke in, right? There's, there's some kind of weird communal feel, energy, respect, rapport, and, and kinship that I really feel with all of you guys, and I, I see the, the profile pictures, the avatars, but it, it, it's That digital presence, that, that is really meaningful to me. It's this, this-- and I know this will sound very strange or, ethereal, but it's, it's the energy that I feel towards all of you, right? That we're all in this together, we're trying to solve this immense problem, we're, we're the band of brothers, right? And, and we're essentially taking on the empire. And, as, as a result,↗

4:48:03Ian MalcolmI don't remember if it was Rabbi Malious, it might have been in his humor, I really do feel like, right? It was the Fellowship of the Ring. It was, it was all of those people playing their little parts, and I, I don't care if I'm Gimli or, or Frodo or any of the other characters, I'm just humbled to be on the journey with all of you guys. So we'll, we'll try to get Chris Langdon in here. If we do, we'll try to make sure anybody and everybody gets to ask the questions that they might have for him. We'll continue doing it as a, a little band of↗

4:48:35Ian Malcolmmis↗

4:48:40Ian MalcolmA prayer and some positivity to send us on our way.↗

4:48:43Speaker 19I laugh sometimes when I think about some of these guests, that we've gotten the chance to speak to and interview, and it's, some people I never thought that I'd get to speak to, period, never mind. Have an in depth interview and have to please the panel of people that come up and want to talk to them and stuff. so not only is it great that we get to do something good and that we've formed good relationships with these people, and even post JQ Radio, to your point, I see a lot, a lot of people like I've maintained very solid relationships with, and, even new projects and new things have sort of sprouted off of those, you know, and some stuff that's not even necessarily related to the whole, you know, World order and global jewelry and, or politics in general, these things are important in life, these relationships are, perhaps the most important thing in life, for most people, including me, they definitely are. but then we get the added extra cherry on top that it seems like we're doing a pretty good thing as well, and, you know, we were talking about that in DMs the other day. But, it feels good to do something that, is good, right? That, and that maybe is impactful to people, right? That is Outside of benefit for us, other than just making sort of the world a better place, as cliche as that, you know, sort of sounds, right? It does feel good to do things that are meaningful, you know, that,↗

4:50:07Speaker 19we are now getting to see the results of, I would argue, that's, and that's the biggest thing. You, we, you know, at least I do these things sort of knowing that a lot of these results and, and the, the fruits I might not ever get to see, but Some of the rhetoric and some of the things, I, happened a lot quicker than I thought, and so maybe I, I might get to enjoy a little bit more of the fruit than I thought I was going to, to be honest.↗

4:50:30Ian MalcolmNo, I couldn't agree with you more on that, and, and, kind of a, a fitting time in, in terms of the guests, and I, I say that 'cause, again, gonna be speaking with, E. Michael Jones, tomorrow on kind of the idea of a Christian crusade. Oh, really? I don't know if you're doing that. So that, that one should be very interesting, and, and it is-- it's crazy, Colin, because that, that is an individual that I can recall going and seeking out information↗

4:50:58Ian Malcolmon And, and now to be able to have a, a in-depth conversation with him and, and kind of, you know, poke around at those ideas and try to magnify his voice and that we have a, a platform that is at least appealing enough for him to, to join us for those conversations, it's, it's really, it, it's just wild, right? These, these are things that we probably could have thought or dreamt about happening at some point in the past, and now we're, we're all collectively kind of banding together and bringing these things to,↗

4:51:29Ian MalcolmIt's been wild, and whether it's, it's, it's Michael Jones tomorrow or some of these other guests, that we've had the pleasure of speaking with in the past, it's, it's just very wonderful. kudos to you as well,↗

4:51:41Speaker 19by the way. Sorry, but, you do a platform that's, it's-- We often mention Ian Malcolm as if it's just you as the individual, but the show you created as well, the Ian Malcolm Spaces, the interviews that you've been able to curate, the type of, the speaker That you've created, the most impressive on X, in my opinion, very, very good, and you've been at it longer and without any scandal and without any bullshit, which is something that you can't say for basically any other long standing space. So, you know, kudos to you for that one, man. Honestly. No, I'll,↗

4:52:17Ian MalcolmI'll, I'll try. I know I'm just a, according to many, I'm, I'm either an Asian or I'm Canadian or I'm a Jew or I'm an alien, all true at the↗

4:52:29Ian MalcolmThan a communist, all wrapped into one. I'm an enigma with a question mark that just has, I suppose, a troll on the outside of it because of the, the, Jeff Goldblum avatar with Ian Malcolm. Oh man, isn't it just the, it's, it's the troll of all trolls. but nonetheless, we will continue trying, to, to build, and I, I do really like this, this format. I know that, AV had some words with folks at the end there, so we kind of parted ways The discourse, but, you know, I, I, it's, it's been really interesting because when I, I, I would first listen to Spaces, it was kind of people just joining together at a round table, and that was, that was interesting. I remember thinking to myself that there's gotta be a more, you know, unique way to try and create a conversation that could be topical, and so just this whole concept of bringing in a guest, focusing on a specific subject, taking the conversation down a certain path, and, and then being able to integrate everybody in the- These, these rooms for Q&A, it's always been really, really enjoyable. so we'll continue doing that. We'll continue having some, some odds and ends conversations just to keep things light from time to time. I have told Joanne, we're working on in the background, we're gonna be doing a trivia-- well, I don't want to even call it, call it trivia. We will do a live game show style space that is in the works. It will feature a number of different types of either trivia or, let's just say,↗

4:54:01Ian MalcolmI guess in check work, right? And my hope is, and this will be very curious 'cause David says you're, you're here, I'm envisioning that we will have two teams, right? We will have captains of those respective teams. Joanne and I are just going to play the host and co-host of the event, but, we'll have in real time two different teams that will battle the wits and the intellect, and the thing that I think will be fun is if we do it properly, everybody That will be listening will be able to participate in real time, and we might even be able to make a virtual scoreboard, scoreboard that would reflect all of the participants, which I thought would be a really interesting way to try and do this to keep things fun. so we'll do that along with a whole bunch of other things purely aimed at, entertainment and kind of lighthearted fun amidst some of the, the more difficult conversations that we have. With that being said, before we go to David, as always, I wanna wish everybody a good morning, good evening, good A good night,↗

4:55:01Ian Malcolmwherever you are in the world, I wanna say God bless to you, to everything that you are, certainly God speed in everything that we are doing. We are winning, like Colin said There were rooms in JQ Radio where we would have thirteen people, sixteen people, sixty people, six people. It didn't matter. We tried to keep the lights on, tried to be walking out in that, forest that I, that I kind of used as a metaphor with our little lights, trying to find other like-minded people. And every now and then somebody would come in, "Hey, I'm, I'm new to, new to this. I haven't heard these ideas." Right? Anybody and everybody, we tried to be welcoming. Occasionally we had some, some little- Arguments and spats along the way, right? But, but we tried to just spread the message, and it was a tiny audience that was willing to discuss these things. We've grown by leaps, by bounds. We now have hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, depending on the space that we're running and the conversations that we're holding, right? The fact that we've gone from that to this in essentially a year or two, if you think and extrapolate where that means we will be a year or two from now, it should really give a- Massive amount of encouragement to everybody, especially if you ever feel down, right? If you look around and you say, "How are we ever gonna stop this machine?", we are doing it in real time, right now. And so we will continue to focus on the minds, the bodies, and the souls of everybody that's along this ride with us. We'll try and educate you along the way on the past, on things that you can do in the present for that physical realm that we live in. We'll hold those spaces with people like Rob, walk through what you can do- For your mind, your body, right in the physical sense, we'll also try to learn from individuals like David, what we can do on the soul. How can we incorporate philosophy into the way that we see the world? Right? So we'll have those conversations with these wonderful people. I truly feel so humbled. We had a little bit of, fun, earlier with, Iconic, and I asked him, I said, "Do, do you enjoy this?" 'Cause I, I, I said it out of a sense of, of empathy, right? Because on↗

4:57:11Ian MalcolmTo just say, "Oh, wow, let's, let's play with the pinata," as, Joanne would say, right? But, but nonetheless, I, I wanna try and make the world a better place. And maybe he's just a lost soul trying to understand the world that we are presenting. Maybe he's a troll, who knows? Right? But anybody and everybody that's out there, there's a whole lot of individuals that they, they don't see the obvious, which is that we're lorded over by a system that simultaneously hates and wants to destroy↗

4:57:39Ian Malcolmus Employ us so that they can continue printing money and making profits off of our backs. That is essentially what we live in. We are slaves. We are just like Neo. We're being turned into the Durracel so that we can power their financial global cabal. We gotta end that. Everyone will be better off when we do. And whether you're living in the big city, you're, you're in New York City, you're walking around in the dystopia that is the multicultural craziness of that city, or maybe you're just living a very calm, quiet life on a beachfront property. Right? No matter where you are in the world, you will benefit if we get rid of this totalitarian oppressive machine. It pushes propaganda and, like David says, it tries to turn your sons into daughters and your daughters into whores. It's gotta end. 'Cause what kind of future do we leave for those that come after us if we just idly watch it happen? Right? So we will do what we can every single day, every way that we know how to, and we'll try and incorporate any and every view and every persona and every person That's willing to come along for that ride. And so that being said, speaking of rides, I want to make sure everybody after this and after David's final words, that they do join Mr. Truth Teller's space. He always puts on wonderful, wonderful spaces, talks about Iran, all of the conflict going on, and the consequences of that in the world. So, I, I will certainly be going and joining that after this. I want to thank everybody, as always, for participating in these conversations, for everything that you are. I look forward to you in that next space. And Mr. David for some words of positive affirmation and/or, a prayer in a sense.↗

4:59:24Speaker 18Well, my friend, I enjoyed this place, and you're right, I can't wait to see. Things are moving very quickly. That's how awakenings work. So just imagine yourself when you're waking up in the morning, your eyes start to open, your fingers start to move, and then of course, you become vivified. You wake up in a halo of nothingness, and you get, you gather, you remember who you are and what you're about, and that really, really-- That Space. The only exception I would say is I wouldn't say culture wars, I would say war on culture, because the people that oppose us, the Jewish supremacists, they have no culture. They don't believe in culture, they only believe in the deracination of it. Why is that? Because culture is what connects us. It's how we meet out in the marketplace or in the community. And you know, Edmund Burke famously said that Culture and customs should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but the people that oppose us know that these are the things that bind us together, and if you're going to divide and conquer us, then destroy our culture. This was the problem after the Soviet Union, is people were trying to-- Great chefs would try to think, "Well, what, what is Rus-- what is Russian culture? What is Russian culinary culture like?" And they'd have to reinvent it because it had been so destroyed. Not the case for us. This isn't going to happen. The Great Awakening is on the move. There is nothing that can stop it. I really, really, human solidarity is on the rise, and we're realizing, gosh, if we don't hate each other, if the hate mongers don't inspire us to do that, if we galvanize, if we absolutely connect with each other in a way that they don't expect, and now they see it coming, so maybe they expected a little bit, and they have no chance. That's what's happening. I can't wait for the next space, my friend. I really enjoyed this one.↗

5:01:10Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And as, Stay humble. I'd always say, stay curious. The more you are, the more you'll understand the world around you. And as I can't remember, it might be the Dozzecky's man, as he says, is it Dozzecky? You see the most interesting man, David, as the Dozzecky,↗

5:01:28Speaker 18yeah.↗

5:01:28Ian MalcolmDozzecky's, yes. Stay thirsty, my friends. We, we will keep searching for the, the water of truth, as best we can. I look forward to that↗

5:01:44Ian MalcolmEverything that you are, and everything that we are gonna accomplish. So Godspeed, God bless.↗