Held here entire — 102 passages across 5 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00bleak, drainedWelcome and Tech GlitchesThe hosts welcome listeners and deal with early technical difficulties on X Spaces.
- 0:44warm, expansive80s Pop Culture and Egyptian ThemesIan and JoAnn discuss 80s music, Michael Jackson's 'Remember the Time' video, and Egyptian pop culture references.
- 16:52grim, scorchedMusic and Film Quality DeclineIan and JoAnn lament the decline in quality of modern music and film compared to past eras.
- 23:17grave, forebodingPyramids and Ancient ArchitectureThe discussion shifts to the mystery of pyramid construction and the scale of ancient structures.
- 33:50grave, forebodingGlobal Pyramids and Hidden HistoryJordan raises questions about pyramids in North America, China, and other global locations, suggesting hidden history.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmNow, what I cannot name, though, I got to be honest, is going to be the artist of... Oh, no, did he cut off?
Speaker 2Ian?
Speaker 2I don't know if it's me or if it's him. Okay, I'm going to message him.
@joann_marieand yes it is walk like an egyptian and in the meantime while ian comes back guys please repost this space and if you guys
Ian MalcolmAll right, we'll see if this is working. Chris, are you with us? Yes, sir. All right, there we go. And let me make sure I send you the co-host invite. I don't know what's happening with JoAnn. I couldn't hear her at all after the song. Seems like X having a little bit of a glitch here for us.
@theleaderofusaHope everyone's having a blessed day. Looking forward to the space today. Tonight, I should say.
Ian MalcolmThere we go. JoAnn, can you hear me now?
@joann_marieYes, I'm so sorry I interrupted. I thought you cut off. I'm so sorry.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, no. Never apologize. Just glad that we've got everybody here. Looks like the space is working. Chris, I sent the co-host invite in case you want to take that. And we'll also, we'll give Joey a second. But JoAnn, kind of curious, who is the artist of that song? I could not name it.
@joann_marieIt's The Bangles, and it's fine. I didn't know either, but it's a great song, though, and I'm so happy that you know it.
Ian MalcolmI did. Now, here's some pop trivia for you, JoAnn, while we wait for Joey. So I was thinking in my head, Egyptian songs. Can you name another famous pop song that does not have Egyptian in... I thought I was good in pop culture, but then I met you and I realized that I'm just not good in pop culture. What is it?
Ian MalcolmA couple hints. It's a music video that features, of all people, if I'm not mistaken, Eddie Murphy. It is a supermodel of the era. I can't remember her name. Magic Johnson is in the music video, if I remember correctly. Any thoughts?
@joann_marieI don't think I've seen that music video, but it sounds awesome, though.
Ian MalcolmWell, the king of pop himself, Michael Jackson, in, I think it was Remember the Time. in an Egyptian-themed music video. He does a couple moves that you might say are walking like an Egyptian, and again, features a whole bunch of celebrities in there. Very appropriate for some of the visual cues that we'll be getting from the space here once we get Joey in the room.
Ian MalcolmAnd excited because, presuming that he's still able to join, not only will it be Joey, but also his father, who again spent something like 10 years inside the pyramids, which will be... Thank you for joining us today.
@joann_marieThank you for joining us today.
@joann_marieI told people to come here so hopefully some of the listeners come over. And no, it was great. It was about the integration of the military and about how Israel has subverted America and how to wake people up. And your rant there was amazing, Ian. So yeah, it was such a great space.
Ian MalcolmWell, always honored to be in there and few do things as well as Mr. Godfrey. He is absolutely fantastic. Always on here putting out wonderful content and speaking very directly about these wild, wild issues. And it'll be interesting because I have not gotten to connect with Christopher in a little bit since the space we did a week ago.
Ian MalcolmSo it'd be interesting maybe to get some of his thoughts on the world here while we wait for our guest of honor, Mr. Joey. So we'll get him up here. And in the interim, JoAnn, any other things that are top of mind that you might be thinking about?
@joann_marieNo, I mean, there is a lot of news about a lot of immigration going into Spain. And I want people to know that it is happening. But it's right in the border with Morocco. And Morocco is... Cooper cooperating a lot with Israel. So I think Israel has a hand in it. Also, they say that they said that they were going to like things were going to happen to Spain and stuff like that.
@joann_marieAnd they keep threatening them and they keep like congratulating Morocco all the time. So, yeah, they opened the gates of Toledo once. So I feel I feel like that's happening again. So.
Ian MalcolmSome crazy issues there on the international geopolitical scene. Certainly going to get Mr. Wood's thoughts on some of that. I see we've got Coyote in here, a bunch of other individuals and friendlies of the program. So certainly anybody feel free if you want to come up. I think we've maybe got 20 minutes or so before Mr. Joey will be in here.
Ian MalcolmSo if there's anything top of mind that you'd like to share with the audience, certainly feel free to do so. And if not, we'll send a note to Mr. Christopher, see if we can get him up here and pick his brain a little bit. And JoAnn, otherwise, so the walk like in Egyptian, I suppose in the top of the 80s songs of your favorites, where would that fall?
Ian MalcolmIs that one that you've listened to a whole bunch?
@joann_marieNo, I didn't listen to that one a lot. My favorite ever is Total Eclipse of the Heart. I just love that one. I don't know. That's how it is, right? I don't know. I mean, I've heard that a couple of times, but yeah. Also, Queen, I don't know. I'm blanking out right now. But what is your favorite, Ian?
Ian MalcolmWell, I'm always going to be partial to the King of Pop that we were just talking about moments ago, hence the reference. But no, you know what? I do think there's something... about the 80s uh kind of the the retro feel of the music a lot of the synthesizers um that even today there's a number of bands that kind of integrate some of those sounds uh with what they're doing i think it's very neat when people do because there's something that's very again it's not just nostalgic i find it musically pleasing about that sound effects from the 80s especially in comparison to i guess modernity where everything is uh it's designed to be
Ian MalcolmOverloaded with bass, a lot of the sound effects. I feel like, frankly, music, if people were to look at the EDM music, a lot of that stuff, Deadmau5 and all these other things, if you think about that music and what it did to set the stage for TikTok brain, I know this sounds maybe a little bit out there, but the idea of listening to peaceful, calm melodies, if you contrast that to the music of modernity where everybody's
Ian MalcolmWaiting for the beat to drop, right? And all these EDM sounds. It's the exact opposite, right? It's kind of instant overload of the senses from an auditory's perspective. And so, no, I'm very partial to some of the older tracks, not just the 80s, but 60s, 70s. I'm very much so a fan of some of the classics. And that's both on the musical side and for what it's worth on film.
Ian MalcolmI really do think that individuals going back and even watching movies from the early 2000s, it's just so much better storytelling, better pacing, better character development. And one of the subtleties, I think, is the subtlety of the acting. And what I mean by that is a lot of those movies from the 2000s, the 90s, the 80s, there'll be little scenes.
Ian MalcolmLike if you think of Pacino or Robert De Niro, some of these more famous actors, a lot of the things they were famous for were little... jose cuevo
Ian MalcolmI'm just really quick. I 100% you touched on my favorite topic. No, the enacting. When you saw Anthony Hopkins or Jack Nicholson, like...
@joann_marieTheir acting is just hypnotizing. Like you can stare at them and every single it's just amazing. And right now it's just I don't know, it feels so superficial. I don't know. I don't like it. And about music, I do not like electronic music at all. Like I do not. I that's one of the reasons why I stopped going to clubs when I was younger.
@joann_marieI just I couldn't. And my favorite radio station was. Thank you so much for having me and great space. Sorry, go for it, Hubbard. Yeah, great space, guys. Can you hear me? Yeah.
@hubbard595628Definitely with the pyramids, crazy stuff. I think with the movies and everything, it has gone down in such quality. And you think about the computer skills and all of the technology improving, but the detriment of it as an art form has just been so noticeable. I follow a lot of review channels, and it's like you look at stuff from the 90s, and you're like, we have gone backwards in so many ways.
@hubbard595628And I think it very much is the enshitification, the slop, really becoming slop and this is what i think like people pay for like i'm drinking a monster right now but like we pay for the goy slop and the goy slop is poisonous and it's it's like that way with movies like netflix uh so much of the product is meant uh to destroy you you know and destroy being like uh acidic towards your values and try to change you like propaganda uh
@hubbard595628I just came from the same space JoAnn was in and it was a great space uh definitely recommend people listen to it if you haven't lived if you weren't in it it's it was great a lot of a lot of patriots but yeah when it comes to the pyramids man i definitely want to like if you ask your guests like the inside design versus the outside because i know egypt's just got so much history you know
@joann_marieI love it. And I went to Egypt when I was younger. And I'll look for the pictures sometime and show you guys. And thank you so much for coming up, Hubbard. And I want to welcome Christopher. Maybe, can you talk now?
@joann_marieIt's still glitching.
Ian MalcolmWell, it is on my end. I couldn't see who was even up here. Christopher, is that working for you?
Ian MalcolmThe Overlords are messing with us.
@hubbard595628happened before 9-11. It came out before that time. And they really tried to portray the people who were guarding the temple as, in the beginning, they're antagonistic, but it shows that the people who were pushing out all these British guys and archaeologists were trying to prevent them from getting the curse. And it did feel like that movie was right before all this 9-11 anti-Arab...
@hubbard595628Hey, true and vitriol came out through movies. So that one definitely. I also have to think about like the show Rome on HBO had some Egyptian stuff in it, which was pretty cool.
@theleaderofusaAre you able to hear me now? There we go. We'll see how long it lasts. I appreciate your patience with all these difficulties. Actually had to log in on my PC to get it to work because mobile. I don't know why it's not working, but it is. glitched out to the max yeah i'm excited to hear people's thoughts on the pyramids today because we you know maybe a month back in one of ian's spaces the pyramids got brought up for about 30 minutes and people had their beliefs on whether they could be built by you know humans who have all you know europeans whomever egyptians that were intelligent with architectural design and buoyancy and density to be able to float down these stones down the nile or if there was some sort of
@theleaderofusauh supreme technology that we no longer have access to and i'm more along the lines of we uh we had some ancestors that were able to figure it out with you know they had to be very intuitive back in the day nowadays we're a bit of lackadaisical about how we build stuff it's simple and still cost a lot but back then they had they were bored they they were bored so they built pyramids they're like what can we do now no different than the european cathedrals or some of the huge castles i mean
@theleaderofusaLook at what it took to build some of those. But excited for the space. Hope everyone's having a blessed day today.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And Christopher, it is interesting because I would agree with you that the pyramids and some of the cathedrals of Europe, both, of course, incredible architecture. The difference is the thing to keep in mind is the timing of their development. And also, I mean, just the scale, right? The pyramids, the actual structures themselves, how they were put in place.
Ian MalcolmAll the way down to the alignment of them to the stars. There's a lot in there that is just, it is supra-natural is probably the term that I would use for it. And so you're going to be very curious for some of the thoughts that not only Joey, but also his dad are going to have on this, especially from his father who spent time underneath these incredible structures.
Ian MalcolmBut Christopher, as a little bit of fun, we were asking Hubbard there... His favorite film that either features or has some kind of homage to Egypt. Any thoughts that you have? Any that stands out? He had said the mummy, and if I'm not mistaken, that was the Brendan Fraser rendition of it that he was referencing. But what would you say is your all-time favorite either Egyptian or mummy-themed film?
@theleaderofusaYeah, for some reason it would the mummy is the first thing I think that probably comes up It's strong in the pop culture. So it's first thing that comes to mind and I really can't remember the names of the other ones, but I feel like I've seen older movies where they had Egypt as the setting and I mean, I think Indiana Jones was one of them possibly but Yeah, for some reason it's the mummy and I guess I don't watch too many Egyptian movies to really think of something else.
@theleaderofusaI
Ian MalcolmNo, but you did mention I was going to play this game until we got to somebody that was going to mention Indiana Jones. Obviously, Raiders of the Lost Ark, a large emphasis that they have there. And so I wanted to call that out. I like that idea. But I see we have Jordan up here as well. Jordan, any thoughts on the subject or the music or the references or anything else going on?
Speaker 3Well, absolutely. Have we discussed... opened up and discussed the pyramids in North America, South America, and then China, the ones that they are burying and planting trees on on purpose in China, and in Turkey, and Quebec Latapi, and why we can't, why are we not allowed to excavate these places? That's pretty much it.
Ian MalcolmNo, and I have not looked into with any great depth jose cuevo jose cuevo
Ian MalcolmI don't know if it's in Antarctica necessarily, maybe in one of the poles. But I do know that there's another massive structure that I've seen some of the images of that looks like a giant pyramid that's like the size of a mountain. I don't know if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 3Well, here's the thing. Science and... pictures that we get from satellites because we can also observe pyramids on other planets, other moons, famously like pyramids on Mars that are also aligned with Mars. I have no idea how it works, but some people say that it's aligned with like the same alignment with the shit. I can't think of the word.
Speaker 3But we have these pyramids everywhere that we were we are able to observe through satellite photos and mostly on the earth and They are in South America. They're in North America We haven't seen any in Canada, but Canada was buried in mud Not that long ago But we also see them in of course all across Africa and most importantly China and the government
Speaker 3will not let anyone excavate any of the pyramids in China or even study the Great Wall of China, which is probably... You know, there's a lot of mysteries behind what the Great Wall of China is, too. That's an old wonder of the world that doesn't make any sense.
Ian MalcolmYeah, the idea of what exactly is that wall keeping out, I don't know, did you ever see the... I can't remember if it was called The Great Wall, but there was a movie that referenced the Great Wall of China and that essentially suggested that there was a supernatural force that they were trying to keep out with. I don't know if you saw it.
Ian MalcolmIt was one of those straight-to-DVD kind of movies. But that's what was basically suggested there is that it was not keeping out any kind of man-made. Yes, sir.
Speaker 3I've heard all the conspiracy theories, and the funnest one is what were they trying to keep in?
Ian MalcolmAnd what do you suppose that would be? I'm guessing it's not some Chinese people.
Speaker 3Well, why are all the wall accesses on the Mongolian side? Why are all the arrow slits aiming towards the Chinese side? Who built it, too? It's a super fun conspiracy theory. My favorite is the Great Wall of Tartaria, which is the...
Speaker 3Last civilization or civilization that we lost. I don't know. Are you familiar with any of Graham Hancock's work?
@joann_marieI have seen about the wall that it wasn't to keep them out, but to keep them in. Right from the Great Wall of China.
Speaker 3Yes, the Great Wall of China may have been the Great Wall of Tartaria.
@joann_marieYeah, but it wasn't to keep them out, but to keep them in.
Speaker 3well apparently because it's like the the reinforcements are from the inside not from the outside like it's supposed to be that's interesting though more importantly just like the pyramids is how was the great wall of china built how long like some questions to ask yourself like how long is it and like how how much uh cliffside does it span across i have a couple of uh ideas to throw in here by the way
@theleaderofusaso um the lighthouse of alexandria was only like 20 or 30 feet shorter than the great pyramid of giza it was just a little bit shorter which is pretty interesting to build a structure like that that's all without you know the pyramid has a big base at the bottom and it goes to the point but the lighthouse is a bit narrower i imagine based off of uh pictures that i've seen and then um another thing
@theleaderofusais the great wall of china funny enough that the great wall you you think that it's a tall structure all the way everywhere that the great wall is but there's many different parts of the great wall which are only like 10 feet tall or eight feet i think even four foot tall in some sections so it's like it's not even the great wall doesn't mean height it means width and most of the time there is a a height of the great walls because it's built on like a cliff surface or a cliff area
@theleaderofusajose cuevo, jose cuevo, jose cuevo
Ian Malcolm10 days. It's actually about nine and a quarter, but let's say 10 days to go the entire length of the wall if you were driving at highway speeds of 60 miles an hour. I'm going to tell you all 10 days to drive from one side to the other, which is a pretty crazy statistic there to give you just an idea of how absurdly long that is.
@theleaderofusaWell, it was more than two dynasties, right? How many... Oh, no, it was 5,000. It took 2,000 years, but there was multiple families that continued the project. I think there might have been a couple family dynasties that were just, they gave the new imperial role or whatever, but they continued working on the wall, which if you think about it, 2,000 years of just people just like, yeah, we're going to keep building this for the future.
@theleaderofusaWe can't even get 10 years in our own government that is like, now we're stopping the wall. Fuck that wall.
Speaker 3So if you were to go to China and you were to visit the Great Wall of China, they're going to bring you to these certain spots where they have been maintaining the Great Wall of China for 5000 years. The spots you're not allowed to go is where they have not been maintaining it. And it shows it has all the geological information that we want, that we need.
Speaker 3We want it from their pyramids. We want it from everything. Right. They're obviously hiding the history of the Great Wall of China because even if it was one or two dynasties ago they would still hide it of course but the dark dirty truth of the Great Wall of China may be even bigger than China is right and like there may be people hiding certain parts of history in the world that have a lot of money invested in these things and
@joann_marieI agree with you, Jordan. I think they do fight a lot of things. And I want to welcome Rabbi to this piece. Hey, Rabbi, how are you?
Ian MalcolmAnd one final little fun fact for you there, Rabbi. So get this. So the Great Wall of China, so roughly nine and a half days at highway speeds to go from one side to the other, which means that it's roughly five and a half times the length that it would be to go from New York City to Los Angeles. to go across the entirety of the United States.
Ian MalcolmThe Great Wall of China is five and a half times longer than the entirety of the United States from one side to the other, to put it in perspective. Wait a minute.
Speaker 4I've looked at maps of China, and China doesn't look like it's five and a half times wider than the United States. Is this because of the turns? Exactly. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 3Have you ever punched up a string and then stretched it out?
Speaker 4Right. It's like it's like a coastline. It's not you know, if you follow the wall exactly, then you just drive from one side to the other is what you're saying, right?
Ian MalcolmThat's that's correct. Yeah. The entirety of the length of the wall is five and a half X, a straight shot, a direct line from New York to L.A. It's pretty just wild to think about. That is wild.
Speaker 3I wanted to. I wanted 22,000 kilometers. All right.
Speaker 4That's amazing. Now, I wanted to express my enthusiasm for the topic, and I wanted to hopefully be the first one to ask, when do we find out exactly which black people built the pyramids?
Ian MalcolmOh, boy. Rabbi referencing some drama on the timeline. I'm trying to decide if I even want to unpack that. It was kind of curious. Yeah, Rabbi, it is wild. One of the things I find very... Not Worthwhile is arguing with those that don't understand or have the ability to understand when they're wrong about the thing that you're arguing about.
Ian MalcolmIt's just kind of a monumental time suck and some of the worst gaslighting a person can do.
Speaker 4We don't have to antagonize the Mormons in this space. We can leave. It's fine.
@theleaderofusaWe don't have to get into that. Someone said that the arrow slits were backwards on the wall, and I'm wondering if the countries that were on the opposite side of the wall, if they... Contributed to the building of the wall, but stationed defenses facing their way and Maybe one maybe during the down time of one Kingdom the other Kingdom took up building the wall and essentially securing the wall and then the wall was flipping back and forth between Between the control of countries that's that's the first thing I think about the second idea I have is a zombie apocalypse and they're keeping all the zombies inside
@joann_marieThe Mongols were kind of the zombies of their era from the point of view of the Chinese.
Speaker 4And it would be a very Mongol move to take over the wall and then re-equip it so that they could use it offensively. That would be a very Mongol thing to do.
Speaker 5Just real quick on the wall, if I could. One of my Tartarian expert friend, historian, researchers, No, somebody nailed it just before this. This wall has been used by multiple empires over at least 5000 years, but it's probably closer to 10 or 12,000 years old. And that's why there's parts of it that you can't
Speaker 4you can't go even if you are a geologist the chinese government will tell you you can't go to this part of the wall because are you saying that if you can start the whole model are you saying the whole yeah i'm sticking to the zombies idea wait wait wait i'm with christopher i know are you saying the whole mongol cover story is like that it was actually built before the mongol invasions and the mongol thing was just like a cover for it
Speaker 3Well, if you're following any of the conspiracies or any of the people who are looking at the architecture, then probably or most likely.
Ian MalcolmVery interesting. Well, things we did not know, and we will have to do a space at some point. If anybody has an expert on the Great Wall of China and some of the... The Hidden History of It. I would certainly welcome it. And speaking of welcoming, I want to welcome Mr. Joey with so many Gs at the end that I don't even know where to begin.
Ian MalcolmBut I want to welcome him up to the panel here. And Joey, get a sound check and see if it's going to be you and your father as well just as we start to unpack this space here.
@joann_marieHe has a Chaldean internet and it's not that good. So hopefully he comes back. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Christopher and V and Joey and Rabbi Hubbard and Jordan, my favorite people are here. And also guys, bookmark it. It helps a lot with the algorithm.
@joann_marieSo thank you so much for being here. Sorry.
Ian MalcolmAnd JoAnn, I'm curious if we should, because I see Joey just got disconnected again. I'm looking in the purple pill. There are one, two, three, four, five different people who have said it keeps kicking me out, keeps kicking me out. Can you guys restart? It won't stop glitching. If people wouldn't mind, if it is acting up, please let us know in the purple pill.
Ian MalcolmI mean, that's two or three people, but if it's really acting problematic, we can certainly reset the whole room. I don't know if it'll help. um but uh but it seems like it has been unusually bad which is saying a lot because joey and we get glitches a lot anyway
@joann_marieWe do. And also, there is a new update. I glitched for like two weeks and I wasn't able to send DMs and I was losing my mind because I like spamming Ian with all my heart. And I couldn't. So if this new update does work, so hopefully that fixes it. And if not, I mean, maybe we could restart it so that more people can hear it.
Ian MalcolmYeah, there's two more people saying same problem here. All right, so here's what we'll try to do. We'll try to close this down and then restart. Hopefully that'll work well. and JoAnn, what we'll do is why don't we kick off with maybe 30 seconds of the song of the space just so that we have that and we'll get this thing fired back up here in just a second.
@joann_marieAll right, let's go.