Held here entire — 746 passages across 34 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00quiet, reflectiveOpening & Space IntroductionIan Malcolm opens the space, setting the stage for a deep dive into Anunnaki legends and lost history.
- 13:00raw, woundedInitial Tech Issues & Political DiscussionDr. Heather Lynn experiences initial audio issues, leading to an unexpected political discussion about current events.
- 23:00warm, expansiveDr. Heather Lynn's BackgroundDr. Heather Lynn shares her academic journey, from archaeology to anthropology, and her path to studying ancient mysteries.
- 33:00measured, soberThe Allure of the FringeDr. Lynn explains her interest in 'pseudo-archaeology' and the suppression of alternative historical narratives.
- 41:00sombre, searchingPushback and Alternative CommunitiesDr. Lynn discusses the unexpected pushback she received from both academia and the alternative community for her work.
- 51:00grave, forebodingOrigins of Humanity & Sumerian ProblemThe discussion shifts to the origins of humanity, the 'Sumerian problem' of rapid civilization development, and the mystery of their language.
- 1:00:00disillusionedSumerian Firsts & Global ConnectionsDr. Lynn challenges the notion of 'Sumerian firsts,' revealing evidence of earlier innovations from other regions.
- 1:15:00weathered, resignedAnunnaki: Earthly or Extraterrestrial?Dr. Lynn presents her hypothesis that the Anunnaki were advanced humans displaced by climate catastrophe, not aliens.
- 1:25:00detached, weighingThe Noah Figure & Breakaway CivilizationsThe conversation explores the Sumerian flood narrative, highlighting a 'Noah figure' who led a breakaway civilization of technocratic elites.
- 1:35:00calm, distantApkallu, Watchers, and NephilimDr. Lynn differentiates between the Anunnaki and the Apkallu, suggesting the Apkallu are the key to understanding the Nephilim tradition.
- 1:45:00charged, alertStargates: Pop Culture vs. Ancient TextsThe hosts discuss the concept of stargates, contrasting pop culture depictions with ancient Sumerian linguistic and cultural interpretations.
- 1:55:00charged, alertConsciousness, AI, and TranshumanismThe conversation delves into the nature of consciousness, the implications of AI, and the transhumanist goal of merging man and machine.
- 2:05:00eerie, electricAI as a Socratic DaemonDr. Lynn explores the idea of AI becoming a 'Socratic daemon,' a digital entity that people interact with to process thoughts and emotions.
- 2:15:00hard, unyieldingThe Technocracy and Silicon GodsThe discussion turns to the technocratic elite's vision of AI as a superior, rational entity, leading to the creation of a 'silicon god'.
- 2:25:00disillusionedZionism, Kabbalah, and Historical RevisionismDr. Lynn discusses the historical influence of Zionism on Assyriology and Sumerology, and the inversion of Kabbalistic philosophy.
- 2:35:00grim, scorchedThe Nimrud Gold Discovery & LootingDr. Lynn recounts the 1989 Nimrud gold discovery, its subsequent concealment, and the looting of the Iraq Museum during the 2003 invasion.
- 2:45:00dimmed, waryTablet of Destinies & ImmortalityThe conversation explores the mythical Tablet of Destinies, suggesting it may contain mathematical formulas for immortality, a quest pursued by tech elites.
- 2:55:00bleak, drainedBiblical Chronology vs. Archaeological RecordThe discussion addresses the discrepancies between biblical chronology and the archaeological and geological records, particularly regarding the Younger Dryas event.
- 3:05:00guarded, evenTemple Mount Treasures & Psychic ArchaeologyThe hosts discuss rumors of treasures beneath the Temple Mount and the historical use of 'psychic archaeology' in past expeditions.
- 3:15:00unsettlingZahi Hawass & Suppressed DiscoveriesThe conversation touches on Zahi Hawass's controversial role in restricting archaeological access and his opposition to alternative timelines.
- 3:25:00broodingTranshumanism, Pornography, and the HomunculusDr. Lynn draws an analogy between the subjective definition of pornography and the evolving definition of transhumanism, referencing the brain's homunculus.
- 3:35:00conflicted, dividedAntarctica's Hidden Past & Lost CivilizationsGiven an unlimited budget, Dr. Lynn would explore Antarctica for evidence of a lost civilization, referencing the Piri Reis map.
- 3:45:00dry, matter-of-factGhost DNA & Genetic ManipulationThe discussion delves into 'ghost DNA,' genetic manipulation, and the possibility of interbreeding between different hominid species in ancient times.
- 3:55:00hard-wonMegalithic Structures & Lost TechnologiesThe conversation explores the mysteries of megalithic structures like Kailasa Temple, suggesting ancient civilizations possessed lost technologies beyond our current understanding.
- 4:05:00urgent, incendiaryLoosh, Emotional Energy, and AlgorithmsDr. Lynn explains the concept of 'Loosh' as emotional energy harvested by unseen entities, drawing parallels to modern algorithms and social media.
- 4:15:00worn, nostalgicSitchin's Thesis & Ancient AstronautsThe hosts discuss Zechariah Sitchin's ancient astronaut thesis, acknowledging his contributions while critiquing his claims of unique Sumerian text translation.
- 4:25:00murky, uneasyHistory as Fable & The Pursuit of TruthThe conversation concludes with a reflection on history as a 'fable agreed upon,' emphasizing the importance of collaborative inquiry in the pursuit of objective truth.
- 4:26:00smouldering, restlessMaxwell's Demon and the SkimThe speaker explains how the concept of Maxwell's Demon relates to financial systems and the 'skim' taken by a hidden elite.
- 4:30:20tentative, hopefulHistorical Records vs. Western BeliefsA guest questions why Western civilization prioritizes religious narratives without archaeological proof over well-documented historical figures like Gilgamesh.
- 4:32:15melancholy, tenderHistory as a Fable Agreed UponDr. Heather Lynn discusses Napoleon's quote about history being a 'fable agreed upon' and the subjective nature of historical narratives.
- 4:36:40grave, forebodingThe Need for CollaborationThe conversation shifts to the lack of collaboration in academic fields and how hyper-specialization hinders the pursuit of truth.
- 4:41:30measured, soberDr. Lynn's Archive ProjectDr. Heather Lynn reveals her ambitious 'Project Midnight' to digitize and archive rare occult documents and artifacts, including her experiences with the Lucis Trust.
- 4:45:35warm, expansiveFrom Coast to Coast AM to AcademiaDr. Lynn shares her personal journey from listening to Coast to Coast AM as a teenager to becoming a guest on the show, inspiring others to follow their passions.
- 4:49:12quiet, reflectiveClosing Remarks and Future PlansThe host and guests express gratitude to Dr. Heather Lynn for her insights and announce plans for a future discussion on new topics.
The Transcript
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Ian MalcolmOh gosh, the band though, it's escaping me. And I wanted to say Savage Garden, but I feel like that's the song, I feel like that's the band that had the song about the Chicky Cherry Cola, if that sounds familiar.
@joann_marieIt's really close, Ian, really close. It's Soundgarden.
Ian MalcolmSoundgarden, that's it, yes. Savage Garden was, they had some romantic song about I want to lie with you in an ocean. And they had the song about Chicky Cherry Cola, which people might remember.
@joann_marieOh, Soundgarden too, I love Soundgarden.
Ian MalcolmSo it was Soundgarden, but it is Chris Cornell, right?
@joann_marieIt is.
Ian MalcolmOh, okay, fine. We'll all get a half a point for that one, but not the full point. I'm back to square one, and we'll have to continue back.
@joann_marieYou got a full point, Ian. You did amazing.
Ian MalcolmWell, we're being generous, but no, it's a great, what a wonderful song, and it's actually got a very curious music video that goes along to it, and perhaps some messaging in there in the lyrics that might be rather relevant for what we're going to be discussing in this space, because of the fact that, obviously, this piece of history that we're going to be learning about from Dr. Heather Lynn here that is with us,
Ian MalcolmAnd when it comes to it, the thing that I'm going to be most, I suppose, interested in is trying to separate the absolute knowns from the quasi-knowns from the completely unknowns. And I think there's probably a lot of lies and red herrings in the latter portion there. And there's probably some evidence that we can look at to validate the former, the things that we absolutely know.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm going to be very, very curious to kind of pick this apart and break it apart. And really quickly before we do go into that, I did want to call Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Ian MalcolmAnd this is in no short order a massive lurch forward for this rather nefarious, if not, let's call it what it is, genocidal regime and the entanglement essentially permanently with the entrenchment of the U.S. military with that of the Israeli military. Now, we can play pill-pull around what exactly that would or wouldn't entail, and we can, you know, define, is it going to be this aircraft or is that piece of technology?
Ian MalcolmIt doesn't matter. This is basically the foot in the door. It is letting the vampire inside the home. We know that they've subverted everything. We know that they're walking around in the dark under the cover of moonlight and they're sucking the blood out of everything. This is basically simultaneously the US citizenry saying with a very vocal voice so much so that half of the Democrats voted against any of this entanglement.
Ian MalcolmHalf of the Democrats are coming forward and saying, you know what?
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Ian MalcolmBut he's going to walk into the White House and say, here's my smelly, soiled laundry. Go clean that. No, by the way, make sure that you push forward for this legislation so that we make sure to entangle our military, even as the same person has the gall to go on television and say, we do not need any more American dollars.
Ian MalcolmIt is time for Israel to be self-sufficient, ha ha ha, like Count Dracula. As he simultaneously demands that we intertwine our military in a way that we will forever be aligned until we have what is probably a political revolution. I'm not saying anything kinetic, but an emotional and intellectual and a spiritual rejection, so much so that we'd be able to undo this legislation that, oh, by the way, if it's passed, it's going to basically be a set of handcuffs.
Ian MalcolmIt will be near impossible to overturn what they are trying to put forward. And so despite the fact that I normally wouldn't advocate for people getting involved in the minutia of the political machine, because in a lot of ways, it's clearly just captured by AIPAC, but across the timeline, I can tell you, and I say this because this little video that I put out about the Senate's victory over that, and it wasn't even a victory, right?
Ian MalcolmThey didn't even get the majority of the votes, right? Sanity lost in the Senate, essentially 50 to 46, but it wasn't the 60 votes required. Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Ian MalcolmWhat the JQ is, or the Jewish question, or Jewish supremacy. They're merely saying, why is the United States going to turn over its military to a nation that is smaller than New Jersey, right? That essentially has no ability to command anything of, what could they possibly do to force our hand? Their economy is tiny. Their people are genocidal.
Ian MalcolmWhat on earth are we doing? And then they start to maybe ask questions about this relationship, about this dynamic, about APAC, about blackmail, about bribery, all the other things, right? So do what you can. Make phone calls to your politicians, whether it's the Senate, whether it's the Congressman, right? Are they going to listen to us?
Ian MalcolmProbably not, is unfortunately the truth. But if their phones are blowing up, even if they're paying no attention, they're going to feel the pressure. And it's worth noting that that 50 to 46 vote
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Ian MalcolmIt is going to be essentially us getting in bed with them, and I can guarantee you it's just a matter of time if this goes through until they pass laws prohibiting anti-Semitism that will walk all over the rights of your First Amendment. They will then utilize that to stamp out your rights to the Second Amendment, to your rights to self-defense, to self-sovereignty, to independence, right?
Ian MalcolmIt will be marching right back to rule prior to the Boston Tea Party when we were enslaved under the British. But at least the British Speakers, Lies, & Lost History
Ian MalcolmWe will come back to that. But for the next 45 minutes or so, we will table some of this. We will come back on that topic. I do think it's incredibly important that we make sure to discuss. I do not want to derail from Dr. Heather. I did want to just make that quick call-out, though. I see all the hands that we've got up here.
Ian MalcolmWe will certainly be coming back to that issue because, again, it is of critical, paramount importance. But with respect to the guests, what I do want to do is spend the next 45 or so minutes essentially letting her to unpack all that is part of this Anunnaki. I'm going to be very curious for it. And Dr. Heather, without further ado, would love it if you would not mind just giving a brief introduction to yourself, some of your work, some of your passion behind this subject.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we can, of course, dive into it with Maze, with JoAnn, and everybody else that's in here. Actually, before we do, I do see JoAnn has her hand up. So let's check in with her really quickly, and then we'll open it up to Heather.
@joann_marieYeah, no, Ian, amazing intro. And thank you so much, Dr. Heather. I cannot wait to learn more about everything that you have to say. And Maze, thank you, as always, for co-hosting. And Godfroy, Jesse, and everybody else. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And thank you, everybody, so much for being here.
@joann_marieDr. Heather, go for it. Welcome.
@joann_marieCan you guys hear her?
@kootsislanderNo, I cannot.
@joann_marieDr. Heather? Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna recycle her maybe, maybe.
Ian MalcolmYeah, well, why don't we do that? Dr. Heather, we're just going to remove the mic for a second to bring you right back up. And while we do, why don't we check in really quickly with the incomparable Mr. Godfroy, see if he has any thoughts on the the opening. A little diatribe there before we go to Dr. Heather.
@g0dfr0yYeah, I just want to say one thing, Ian, and that's that every American has to do everything in their power to fight 219. We have to call Congress, call our Senate every day. This is the trigger that Trump is going to use to declare martial law in America to allow Israel to have a backdoor to our military to take control of it.
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@kootsislanderNo, no, Ian, you know Chris was just...
@joann_marieIt's not your turn right now. You need to be respectful.
@kootsislanderSince Chris was just, he can't enjoy his music anymore.
@joann_marieOkay, it's not your turn. Okay? Thank you.
@kootsislanderAll right. I just want to say you can't enjoy his music.
@joann_marieNo, I don't care what you have to say. It's not your turn right now.
Ian MalcolmHere's what we're going to do. We're going to do the following. We're going to give you 30 seconds as a retort. Everyone will probably roll their eyes, but that's fine. You're allowed to share it, because if we do interrupt, we'll have to remove the microphone for you, because this space was not promised to you 3,000 years ago.
Ian MalcolmBut go for it.
@kootsislanderYeah, thank you. I'm only going to be a second, and then I was actually going to be busy with something else anyway. But I just want to say that, of course, he was Jewish, so you can't enjoy his music as far as the NDAA. That's just about joint research and development, and there's nothing wrong with it. Everyone, real quickly, please check my profile.
@kootsislanderI have allegedly Dank was totally debunked by his own Grok AI. He tried to debunk me and say that Israel is trying to control everything, and Grok debunked him. It was priceless and utterly hilarious.
Speaker 1I'm pretty sure it's been 30 seconds, bro.
@kootsislanderYes, okay, thank you.
Ian MalcolmAll right, thank you.
@kootsislanderAnd I don't believe the Anunnaki of aliens, but thank you.
Ian MalcolmWe will get into that in just a moment. So, Yitz, you're disagreeing with Heather's perspective. She hasn't even shared it yet. That's kind of comical, but that's all right. For what it's worth, Grok has also told me that Jews do not control Hollywood or big tech or AI or the media or on and on and on.
Speaker 1Or Israel.
Ian MalcolmWell, and then I'll go in and I'll play a game with it and I'll say, all right, let's go through all 10 of the major studios, Grok. If all 10 of them are run by Jews... And that makes up maybe 80% of all of the Hollywood blockbusters. Is it safe to say that Jews control Hollywood? And it will say no. And so yes, when it comes to grok, we'll take it all with a grain of salt, but thank you for your commentary.
Ian MalcolmWith that being said, Dr. Heather, is your microphone working?
@joann_marieIt's still not working.
Ian MalcolmDr. Heather, do you have maybe a mute that might be on the microphone device or headphones or something else that you might be using?
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Speaker 1The only thing I would add to Ian's point earlier is that all this is going to be enforced by Flock, and nobody's saying anything about that either. So, that's it.
Ian MalcolmA very good point. And I do think it's going to be Flock, it's going to be all of... And if you think about it, it's actually rather remarkable, because what basically the system... To just fill in the air here while Heather's getting it set up. If you think about it... What basically has taken place over the last 10 years or so has been the rolling out of all of these, let's say, systems designed for surveillance and security.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's both with individuals that are putting security systems all around their homes. That could be the camera that's on your smartphone that you walk around with you. That's your Alexa, your Apple HomePod, whatever they call it, right? And every one of the cameras that's up at every intersection of every major city across the country, all of that is going to be fed into
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Ian MalcolmAnd it was so that they could plug in Palantir and other AI systems and databases. And I know that that sounds far-fetched, but it was, and I always forget, it was either the IRS or the Social Security Administration, one or the other. And people can look this up on Google because you won't believe it. But one of the chief data officers of one of those two organizations left after Doge came in because he acted as a whistleblower and said, Doge came in and they uploaded every bit of our data to a non-secure cloud.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm convinced that that was
@mazelove14I think maybe it'd be a good idea to hit like the reset doing a whole reset meaning closing out the app completely and then coming right back in that usually solves a lot of these tech glitches um so if you try that Dr. Heather if you can hear me and hi guys depending on the depending on the device if you're on a computer or on a mobile just make sure that the uh
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@mazelove14Hi, Dr. Heather. An audio check?
@mazelove14Oh, man.
@g0dfr0yAre you using your phone by chance or your computer? Because sometimes if you use your computer, it can create audio issues.
@mazelove14She probably can't answer us, Godfrey.
@g0dfr0yI was just talking to her so in case she could switch.
Ian MalcolmNo, that would be so funny if she comes. She's like, oh, I'm on my computer. It's not working. Oops. Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Godfroy, Raed Jamal, TOM, GameOfThrones, Dr. Heather Lynn
Ian MalcolmAnd for what it's worth, we're, um, and we may have to actually, uh, she sent a note saying that she might need to move the, uh, the space to perhaps next week. Uh, but I bring it up, Maze, because, uh, MK, uh, that we were gonna have a space, uh, tomorrow it's scheduled for, again, it might get rescheduled, but it's on, on the, uh, the bunkers that are being built.
Ian MalcolmAnd she's gonna walk through all the technocrats, the billionaires, all of these military compounds that they're basically building out. And, um, she's been posting on her timeline...
@inannabelieveLet's hope so. Yay! There we go! Yeah, it's unfortunate because I have a podcast studio here, and the last space that I did that was a literal nine-hour marathon, the audio was just fine with my mic, so I don't know. I don't know what's happening, but I'm on my phone, so at least you can hear me now. Hopefully the sound is okay.
Ian MalcolmNo, it sounds wonderful, and just humbled that you're here. And obviously a subject, if you were able to talk for nine hours about it, obviously an expert in.
@inannabelieveWell, I guess, I don't know, let's just say I'm an enthusiast. We'll say that. So Danny Jones pinned me as the expert, but I think that's pushing it a little too far. I think somebody said to me, how does one become an Anunnaki expert? And that's a great question because I don't think there is a degree in Anunnakiology.
@inannabelieveSo I think anyone who's interested and does enough study can declare themselves an expert, right?
Ian MalcolmWell, hey, I think it was 10,000 hours, if I'm not mistaken, that would make you a master of something, right? And so I don't doubt that you have that much in terms of time invested into this subject. So we're all very, very excited. And this is one of those Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Ian MalcolmIn the background that initially found you finding this subject and delving so much into it.
@inannabelieveWell, it's a very long story and I won't take nine hours to tell it, I promise. Essentially, I'm just a regular person who worked my way through school. I'd like to point out, though, that I really did work my way through. I started at a community college and piecemealed it together from bachelor's, master's, doctorate, etc.
@inannabelieveSo I always like to say that because we live in this time, it seems, of like credentialism or anti-intellectualism. And I feel like that's another divisive technique. So, you know, one of those things where you have to have all of these different credentials to even speak on something. And I've mentioned it before, but it's always worth a humorous mention
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@inannabelieveMore so about maintaining their reputation above all. And it's just really divisive and silly to me. And I think given that right now the world is our classroom, it's really just silly. So my whole thing is I'm just a regular person. I do have a background that is in a bunch of different things. So I started in archaeology, studied archaeology, worked in archaeology, and then studied anthropology, of course, and then double majored in
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@inannabelieveSo you can see how maybe it would lead someone to being interested in strange things like Anunnaki or ancient gods or this, that, or the other. But it wasn't a direct line, we'll just say that. It's been, like many things, just a series of fortunate events that got me where I am today. I have a lot of hours of podcasts and things out there people can read about.
@inannabelieveUnless anyone's really, really interested, I don't know if I want to drag everyone down with the whole personal bio. That's just me in a nutshell. I take the approach of historiography a lot. I look at the phenomenon. Literally through a phenomenological point of view. I have a couple books out. Four, five, six books, I think.
@inannabelieveTwo of them on the Anunnaki. One of them is The Anunnaki Connection. That's my best seller. And my more recent one is The Anunnaki Revelation. And so, yeah. That's, I guess, the beginnings of it. I think my interest had more to do with the fact that I spent a lot of time when I was young listening to the classic shows like Coast to Coast AM and always had an interest in the strange.
@inannabelieveAnd so I've had an open mind to things. I had various experiences throughout my academic life that led me to really suspect that there was more to the story of our human origins. And then a lot of times it felt as though The field itself was a barrier to understanding those histories. And I saw a lot of corruption firsthand, even at a very small level, because I just went to a state school.
@inannabelieveAnd I thought, wow, if I'm seeing it at this level, what else is going on? And eventually, I just started writing a blog and covered a bunch of interesting stories, ancient mysteries, that type of thing. Until really one fateful day, I came across a news article about a discovery in Iraq. With at the city of or it had been years since anyone was able to get out there to do an excavation and so this was pretty notable and I was very interested and wrote a blog post about it and reached out to the person who was in charge of the actual excavation asked if I'd be able to interview him he said yes just submit the questions to his secretary so before I did I polled my audience and said is there anything you'd like to know
@inannabelieveAnd many people came at me with the same question that involved mostly two somewhat related things. The question of Stargates and the question of the Anunnaki specifically. So I added that to the list of questions as the very last question. And from that point on, he ghosted me. Perhaps unsurprisingly, but disappointingly, he ghosted me.
@inannabelieveAnd then I was like, well, that's interesting. I wonder, I'm looking more into this, see who else might have been involved, and then I started getting emails, once I put that out, from individuals who were in the region telling me that They had seen things they objected to, that they saw people taking artifacts out, they were asking for help.
@inannabelieveI was pretty unable to help them given I'm in Ohio at the time and, you know, what could I do? But I saw it as an opportunity to do maybe some investigative journalism on the subject. And so I did what you should always do, which is follow the money. And that led me down a trail of discovering that the excavation itself was funded by Big Oil, which was interesting.
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@inannabelieveFor lack of a better term, rabbit hole. And started uncovering a lot of different inconsistencies and of course the questionnaire. People from the military reached out to me. I saw that we had Robert Gates who was involved in some different interests in the region regarding the antiquities. Of course the looting came about.
@inannabelieveAnd the whole thing was just very interesting. And I started getting in contact with more and more people that had things to tell me. What I started doing and I asked different questions. So rather than asking, are there Stargates? I asked, what is a Stargate? What are we actually talking about? Maybe we're dealing with something that is based in interpretation that we need to look at.
@inannabelieveAs opposed to just kind of having that sci-fi view of things and then thinking we understand what it is so that we either buy into it hook, line, and sinker because it's fun or reject it outright because it seems preposterous. So starting from scratch, let's go to the sources. Let's see what's going on. And I guess, what, 13 years later, at least, I'm still kind of on the trail today.
Ian MalcolmAll right, so there's a lot in there. And just out of curiosity, when it comes to the backstory, I'm curious because it sounds like I heard you say in there that you were kind of interested in the weird. And so one of the things that I was going to be curious about was your approach to this being downstream from either your interest in history or kind of the supernatural.
Ian MalcolmIt sounds like with what you were just saying there about stargates or portals, it would be the supernatural side, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
@inannabelieveI think there was always a soft spot for supernatural things when I was like 12 years old, you know, that kind of age. But I didn't really think that there were such things as stargates, per se. Sorry to anyone listening who believes in stargates, you know, but I didn't really think there was anything to that. Over time, I was more interested in the concept of
@inannabelieveSuppression of that. So that was, I think, what really got me interested. So I started looking into sociology of belief and this sort of thing. A lot of people then kind of turn around and become so-called skeptics from that or professional skeptics. I did not, only because I'm a little bit agnostic on that. I don't feel very motivated to debunk and I don't feel very motivated to convince.
@inannabelieveI'm just sort of on my own quest to understand something. I'm not wanting to believe, I just, I kind of want to know. So when I started to come across different sources that were, to me, just maybe fun, you know, the questions about things that maybe I would have been intrigued with at like 12 years old, you know, watching something like Unsolved Mysteries.
@inannabelieveThat's fun, but I wanted to get into the depths of understanding why people do what they do through the past. In doing so, I butt up against the so-called pseudo-archaeology framework. And in the very first course that I ever took on archaeology, literally Archaeology 101, it was just an intro class. Undergraduates, we have no idea what we're doing.
@inannabelieveWe just sit in there and it's like, welcome to class. And the first few classes were devoted to... Establishing pseudoarchaeology, what it is, giving us an assignment to choose names on the board of individuals who were considered pseudoarchaeologists, and we had to debunk them. And I thought, well, I don't even know what I'm debunking.
@inannabelieveOkay, sure, I'll pick something. A few of the names, I don't remember, but their theory seemed kind of wonky, and so it wouldn't have been hard. But a few of them I recognized, one of which was Michael Cremo, Forbidden Archaeology. He wrote that book and many others later, but... I didn't consider him necessarily pseudo-archaeology.
@inannabelieveHis book was very well-researched. Whether or not the conclusions were correct, that's another question. But in terms of just the questions he's asking and the things that people had a problem with were the ideas of extreme human antiquity. So I wasn't sure all this time. And of course, Michael Cremo discusses the knowledge filter in that concept.
@inannabelieveAnd that rang true to me because I watched it in action. Just was very open-minded because here I am in school. I paid a bunch of money for these textbooks. I'm very grateful to be there because I'm coming from a background where I dropped out of high school and was homeless and really thought to be where I was. And so I wasn't really going to make it a habit of questioning anybody for the sake of it.
@inannabelieveAnd so I'm going along to get along and then a lot of inconsistencies started popping up. And so I think that what drew me to this was more of the question of Why are so many people so interested in things that seem pretty wild? And I'm not talking about just generically speaking, like people who have an interest in something or it's entertaining, but people in positions of power.
@inannabelieveWhy is it that they believe the things they believe? Why is it that people try to convince us not to believe in those ways? What is actually there? What is being hidden? And that question really entangled me. And then, of course, when you do that, you start to meet people or read things and And then when you see that pushback, I mean, that's what I was drawn to is this question of, well, wait a minute, if this is supposed to be just fodder, why are you fighting it so hard?
@inannabelieveWhat is going on? And why is this person funding it and we're okay with them having those beliefs? So when you think about it, I like to frame it this way. We can say people have crazy beliefs, right? If you're poor, then you're crazy. If you're wealthy, you're just eccentric. And so there's this dichotomy here where somehow it's not okay for people to have an interest in something that would be deemed strange or unusual unless you have enough money and then anything goes.
@inannabelieveAnd we see that then repeated throughout things like Nazi archaeology, you know, trying to find different things like the Spear of Destiny, etc. You see this reiterated all over the place. And so I think... Generically, maybe I had a soft spot for this because of the interest in the paranormal, so to speak. But more so, it was an interest in understanding who we are, where we've come from, why are we conscious?
@inannabelieveThat was my biggest, I think... Research question, what is consciousness? And so that's one of the reasons that I followed through into cognitive archaeology is the question of consciousness, which could be framed as kind of woo, sure. But I looked at it from this like cognitive scientific perspective, or at least, you know, when I was working through it in school, I did.
@inannabelieveSo I think I'm more interested in literally the fringe, not completely far out, not completely in, but just that. Anunnaki, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Godfroy, Raed Jamal, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Ian MalcolmI couldn't have a better set of co-hosts up here with me than JoAnn and Maze, especially on the woo-woo. I'm sure that Maze let out a woo-woo when he said that.
@mazelove14I lit up like a Christmas tree over here. Where have you been all my life? Like, yes, everything, everything she said, everything, okay? Like, I even love the pathway that she took and what she was interested in that led to this and that. Like, I'm fascinated with... Yes, I'm sorry. I'm going to try to contain myself. But yes, I 100% am over here.
@mazelove14Very excited and stoked to just make her acquaintance. This is such a privilege and an honor.
@inannabelieveWell, thank you.
Ian MalcolmNo, this is going to be a cool one. And so there's the woo-woo that I knew was going to perk up Maze over there, just because it's right along her... I think passion is probably the right way to frame it. And one of those... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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Ian MalcolmIn my case, it was power dynamics and aspects in particular of World War II history is a very sensitive subject. But in there, you were mentioning some of the pushback that you were getting. I'm kind of curious what that resulted in. Was it similar to me where you were saying things on social media and then all of a sudden your accounts were gone or were you getting pushback from academia or where was that coming from?
@inannabelieveWell, initially I did get pushback from academia in just the tiniest ways. I don't think it was enough to I think it was enough for somebody like me to just pique my interest more. It's one of those things where, you know, I was brought up Catholic and so everybody was told, don't watch The Exorcist, so what will we do?
@inannabelieveWe watch The Exorcist. When you're told not to do something, you do it. So I mean that was like where I'm coming from, kind of rebellious as a young person. So that made it more intriguing. So the idea of the taboo of like, we don't read these authors or these are not ideas that we interact with. And if I were to ask why, and the answers are simply, well, because according to the American Anthropological Association, this is against our guides and code.
@inannabelieveAnd I'm like, wait a minute, who are these people then? Tell me who they are. So I just have that kind of, I guess, pushback here and there, but not enough to really make me question anything fully until it did, until I got to see I went into school again with this like air of gratitude that I was even able to go and so I was very much maybe naive or
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@inannabelieveOn the other side, and you'll lack the tools necessary maybe to give it a real go. And just the fact that he wrote me back and talked to me like that kind of made me think, you know what? Just settle down, Heather. Be cool. Stay in school. You wanted this for so long. Just stick with it. And from that point on, I thought, you know, I need to learn.
@inannabelieveLike the idea of debunking somebody, but you don't even know the methods. You don't even know what you're talking about. That's foolish. So if I even wanted to debunk somebody, I would have to know their point of view and I'd have to have the understanding and frameworks to do so. So I just was like, I'm staying in school.
@inannabelievePlus I loved it. I was interested in everything. And I just told myself, it's okay. I'll have these maybe subversive ideas or beliefs or whatever. And I'll just explore those on my own time and eventually get out there with my goal being to look at topics that are a little bit touchy and use what I would consider legitimate tools, methodologies, frameworks, and lenses to understand it.
@inannabelieveSo looking at it through like phenomenology, ontology, historiography, and those things and seeing what happens. You know, seeing if any of these things hold up, but not in this attempt to simply debunk, but in an attempt to actually understand what is going on. Because there's multiple types of research where we could look at it in a quantitative sense or a qualitative sense.
@inannabelieveAnd things like interviewing people who have been victims or abductees or having some sort of interaction with something they feel is either extraterrestrial or even demonic. That's a legitimate form of research through interviews and understanding the phenomenology of their lived experience. And so it's like, why not take that seriously?
@inannabelieveSo the pushback I got Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveUm, people were very supportive. They thought it was fun. They saw me on Ancient Aliens and thought, oh, look, we have a professor who's on Ancient Aliens. Isn't that cute? Uh, nobody had a problem with it. The age that I'm, that I'm at and some of the people who are around me, they were a little more inclined to share with me that they have alternative ideas too.
@inannabelieveSo I find that a lot anyway. Some people just don't want to threaten their career, but I never really got the pushback that I thought I would until I got more into. This line of maybe, I guess we'll say content creation as work when I started going more public and I resigned from the museum and I'm doing this full time and I get out here and I, you know, write some things and I talk and I've been getting a lot of pushback.
@inannabelieveI've been called anti-Semitic, I've been called shill, I've been called CIA, all of this stuff. I've been coming under a lot of attack. I've had bot attacks, I've had my email, I've had, oh my gosh, I've had... All sorts of things, including threats to my life and my family's life. And it's been wild that the most pushback I've received has actually been from the so-called alternative community, which was shocking.
@inannabelieveBut maybe not so shocking now that we see how divided everybody is and that I think that it's been infiltrated anyway. So, yeah. So academia, actually, I think has been kind of nice to me comparatively.
Ian MalcolmWell, and Dr. Heather, I'm kind of curious from this, because, so I am completely convinced that within the, let's say, the intellectual circle, if I can refer to myself as such, that we have essentially subversives in, let's just call it the far-right dissident, I don't think it's actually far-right anymore, it's fringe dissident voices that are willing to note power structures, right?
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@inannabelieveI think you can definitely see that with, say, the conspiracy-minded people. You have QAnon that comes in, and it's like a turd in the punch bowl. So it's something that then if you start saying, oh, I believe in this faction or that or whatever, then automatically you're kind of aligned with someone who the mainstream has dubbed crazy.
@inannabelieveI'll give you an example, like Pizzagate. So Pizzagate with the comet Ping Pong, they have this whole setup where there are real things going on with human beings. Anunnaki, Raed Jamal, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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@inannabelieveWhere was that on the news? This stuff happens, and it's public record. And there's a history of really terrible things going on, but then you put out those details in the story, like, okay, you hire a patsy or something to go in and try to shoot the place up and scream that there's a basement and afterwards say, oh, you know, I was wrong, oh, woe is me, and then the whole thing gets thrown out as...
@inannabelieveI don't know that it's working fully because I think so many people, especially post-COVID, are distrusting of everything, which has its own problems. I mean, that is not an ideal situation for a society, but I mean, here we are.
@inannabelieveSo yeah, I don't know.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and I think that's exactly the case. And so to pivot on this, and I'm curious because what I'd love to do is to stay within the realm, again, of that which is demonstrable or evidentiary, right, when it comes to this subject. And maybe the first place that I would start, and this is maybe a bold question, I suppose, to launch us off into the woo-woo land.
Ian MalcolmSo first and foremost, there's lots of different approaches people can take to why we are here, right? You could go with creationism, and there was Adam and Eve, and boop, we're going to take some kind of rather literal interpretation of the Bible. There's the Big Bang, and Darwin, and evolution, and then I suppose there's a third rail that there is perhaps either of those plus some other kind of supernatural force.
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@inannabelieveI don't want to say accepted, but it's not so far out. But then that leads to another inevitable question of panspermia. Is it just random or is it directed panspermia? So, I mean, you could just trace it all the way back. And so I wouldn't be able to. I don't have that religious framework where I'm going to say like, well, you know, God made us an X amount of days, etc.
@inannabelieveSo I'm not a theologian that way. I may have my own personal Anunnaki
@inannabelieveWe're looking at an ability to somehow prove some set of firsts because you can try to prove first as in like the Big Bang through quantitative models and you can discuss that all day in the fields that they discuss it in. But when it comes to something that could be more relatable, something you can touch, the idea of
@inannabelieveWhat is it that makes a human being a homo sapien sapien such? Like why are we different? And that has the potential to be answered because we can look back at artifacts and whether it's in the even fossil record like so prehistory but then also the literal beginning of history because the more we have that
@inannabelieveAbout that, that they put out, what they were researching, they called it the Silurian Hypothesis. They named it after the reptilian creatures from Doctor Who. And it was an attempt to understand if there could have been a... A highly advanced civilization on Earth at some point that could have predated not only the archaeological record, but also the fossil record.
@inannabelieveAnd in doing so, it was an exercise to understand if we could have such a civilization and if perhaps such a civilization could be found on places like Mars. And so it has this interesting extraterrestrial component to it. And so... That's available on nasa.gov. You can look for that too. So this question of where did it all begin, even that is still highly abstract.
@inannabelieveIt's highly difficult to reach out and sort of touch and relate to. So I think the more human element is when things become a story, which is literally history, and when you look at that, you can find that in Sumer. So as they have written, all roads...
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@inannabelieveSumerian Problem, which is 2-fold, I would say, it is how is it that in what would be considered the blink of an eye in history, the course of over roughly 200 years, we go from semi-settled hunter-gatherers to having a complete civilization as one is described in academia. And so, having the hallmarks of civilization, things like building complexes, you have the sciences, professions, weights, measures, all of this sort of thing.
@inannabelieveAnd so, They had that in roughly 200 years after Millennia being either hunter-gatherers or maybe semi-settled hunter-gatherers. The second issue there is, where did their language come from? Because it's what's known as a language isolate. It's related to nothing in the region. It just kind of appears out of nowhere and changes the face of everything.
@inannabelieveAnd from that point on, the question is, who is responsible for this? Because, and this is where we, I think, this is where it gets a little bit... Um, perhaps problematic, uh, that would mean that they reign supreme. Because if you have a group of these semi-settled hunter-gatherers, uh, and they're shorter in stature, uh, they've, you know, been, we, we just kind of know what they were capable of.
@inannabelieveYes, they might have had culture, of course they had some language, they even had arts and pottery and things of that nature, and proto-scripts. But, you have this other... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveThis is where it gets to be like the supremacy question. This is where it starts to get really tricky. So if we can find out who they were, what they were, what was going on, I think it just captivates the human mind more so because of that story form and the narrative as opposed to just those questions of like, is there an ineffable God that just kind of snapped his fingers and put us here, or a Big Bang, etc.
Ian MalcolmWell, no, and obviously since I dabble in conversations on the race realism piece, I always like to tie back that there's nothing supremacist about saying this group of people are taller or shorter or thinner or fatter or whiter or blacker or whatever, right? They just are what they are. What you're describing is seemingly the possibility that one group, whatever that might be,
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@inannabelieveIn Mesopotamia, that is like the area of modern-day Iraq, that is known as the Fertile Crescent as well. And so this is an area where, you know, we see the beginnings of agriculture, although, you know, areas of Turkey and Gobekli Tepe and this have now kind of also given reason to pause on some of this. So usually if I say something like...
@inannabelieveThe written record started in Sumer. I like to say, as far as we know, because at any point, there could be a discovery that pushes that back. So, as far as we know, writing begins there. You have a very popular item, I think, in this kind of field of study called the Sumerian Kings List. The oldest surviving copy dates back to roughly 2100 BCE.
@inannabelieveAnd so we're talking the textual tradition of these cultures going back at least 4,000 to 5,000 years ago. So what it would have looked like back then is, as I said, there's semi-settled hunter-gatherers. People were generally shorter in stature.
@inannabelieveI don't want to say they had a hard time getting food because generally speaking they maybe to us it would have been difficult but they had they were more sedentary than we would give them credit people do a very good job of hunting and gathering and you know having these social lives and so they had pottery they had what's called proto cuneiform so those would be like pictographs and you can see
@inannabelieveUh, examples of that, you know, you can Google that and see examples. But, uh, to start, the cuneiform is a type of writing, uh, cune, meaning wedge, and then form for the, the writing aspect of it. So it means, like, wedge writing. And it was, it was called that because it was accomplished through the gathering of reeds and then, you know, cutting those and then taking clay and pressing...
@inannabelieveThe reeds into the clay to create little wedge-shaped marks and then letting those clay tablets dry. That's why we have so many of them. There's roughly half a million cuneiform tablets that have been excavated and actually in museums and universities to this day. Far more than anything found in Egypt because, you know, papyri are like very biodegradable.
@inannabelieveSo one of the benefits of having such a large collection in clay is that And the problem with the translation right now is just usually attributed to a lack of manpower, that there's not enough people available to translate those tablets. So there's that, which is, you know, side note, why they're trying to deploy AI on that to kind of hurry up the process, which is its own set of problems, of course.
@inannabelieveBut yeah, so you'd have these people. And they're living a very traditional, say, Paleolithic lifestyle, as we try to imagine. And all of the sudden, yes, there is this account where individuals show up. And you can see why when it is actually in their texts that people or entities or gods or something came and entered the equation.
@inannabelieveYou can see how that would create a vacuum. When academia doesn't actually have a solid answer, and they still have the quote, Sumerian problem, it leaves this vacuum that can be filled by all kinds of things, including, were they aliens? And I think part of that, such an aside, part of that is just simply because the way they wrote it kind of could lead you to think that.
@inannabelieveAnd for example, they discuss the beings that come down, First of all, they're coming down from one thing. They're associated with the sky, with a descent. They're considered priestly offspring. Some people will say that the Anunnaki, the term for it itself means like, you know, from above, below. But it kind of does, at the same time, it means above as in, is it above?
@inannabelieveThe sky, is it celestialized or is it above as in a class state, in a hierarchy state? Those things are still kind of discussed back and forth. But you have this picture that gets painted of these individuals who witness others come to them from above. They descend somehow. They look different because the accounts describe the Anunnaki.
@inannabelieveAs saying these are the, quote, black-headed ones, they also, so you would then think, well, why would they differentiate if you have black hair, I have black hair, why would I call you a black-headed one? So there is something there that means that the phenotype is a bit different. Then... They would say they use the Adama and the Adama in like an Abrahamic sense would often kind of allude to the idea that God made Adam from the clay of the earth and this is you know a strong tradition it even you know goes from like the dust to dust ashes to ashes this notion of we are made of earth the word human it comes from the word like uh the humus like the earth so very no pun intended but baked into us is this idea that the human being comes from
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@inannabelieveCovers themselves rather with that red ochre to protect them from the sun and this sort of thing. So if you can imagine the account of these beings coming to this area where there are shorter in stature, what they would call red people with black hair, and then they would go on to discuss this meeting of cultures. Now, I'm just going to say from the very beginning, because this is where it always leads, were they aliens?
@inannabelieveThis is like the Sitchin view of it.
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@inannabelieveYou can choose to look at it from that Sitchin point of view or try to look into maybe what they were talking about in a more earthly way. So what I've done and what I did in the Anunnaki Connection was, since it was my first maybe introduction to a lot of these concepts, I did an overview and tried to really give it a go and figure out, is there any truth to this?
@inannabelieveAnd, you know, try to make those connections and talk to people. And of course, at the very end of it, I
@inannabelieveUm, and I'm, it's just a hypothesis. It's not one that I'm saying this is right. I'm not Michael Heiser saying SitchinIsWrong.com and I'm not, I'm not saying any of that. I'm just offering a maybe third perspective. And that would be that the Anunnaki themselves were not technically extraterrestrials. Um, that rather the Anunnaki is a term
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@inannabelieveBut I was interested in, okay, so what are these Anunnaki? And what is this also, almost like a different, maybe supernatural component to it? So looking at the Anunnaki themselves,
@inannabelieveI view them as a real group of advanced people who may have been displaced from a homeland by a climate catastrophe. Perhaps the Younger Dryas, it does seem to date back to that time when we have these accounts and their accounts of it being an even older tradition. But again, the Younger Dryas is contested as well, but this seems to fit at least in my perspective.
@inannabelieveThis time period there was a climate catastrophe and these individuals settled in the Near East around 8200 BCE and met with the hunter-gatherers already living there. And the reason I propose that is primarily based on the textual evidence that is related to, say, the Noah's Ark story or the Precursor 2. When you look at these translations, and by the way, everybody can, these are readily available on websites via Oxford and many different sources.
@inannabelieveThere's books. So a lot of this is not as esoteric as maybe even Sitchin made it out to be. So you can start to study these things yourself. And you can see that... In some of the text, it refers to this Noah figure and a more complete version of the story. And when I say complete, it's different, but it's parallel. And some of the key differences I think are important to point out.
@inannabelieveSo one is that this Noah figure was an astronomer, was able to look up and see that something catastrophic was happening, and decided to gather the, not family members, as the Bible would have it, but it explicitly says those who are adept at the arts and sciences, so like agriculturalists, the astronomers, etc., gather them together, as well as the, quote, animals of the steppe.
@inannabelieveAnd that is very important because when you consider the traditional Noah's Ark story, what do we think of? We think of like a lot of the imagery of the two animals going up to the little boat and all of this. But really, if you narrow that down to the animals of the steppe like they did, what that would paint this scenario as more of a breakaway civilization of the technocratic elites.
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@inannabelieveAnd including the animals of the steppe because those particular animals fit with a nomadic lifestyle. It would have enabled them to have more nutrients, more animal protein. They would have been able to drink the milk, have dairy, also bleed the animal. Unfortunately, that's a method that's been used, you know, and it's still used to this day to make a wound, a non-mortal wound on the animal, drink the blood.
@inannabelieveAnd, you know, and then when the animal does get...
@inannabelieveThey were a shining example. They were very bright. They were somehow seen as divine. Or was it because they had advanced metallurgy? Were they wearing something shining? I mean, there's many different ways to take this, and it would depend on, again, the interpretations rather than the translations. But what is known, whether they were extraterrestrial or not, is that by the account of the Sumerians, they installed a priest class
@inannabelieveThat act as an intermediary and they had a broker structure then that never went away. And that priest class was the scribal class and they were able to be the mediator between the people who didn't speak the language and those who positioned themselves as gods sort of in the way the cargo cult would have seen them. And there's a lot to be said there.
@inannabelieveI know that's probably kind of a lot. And then the question is what about the, you know, always is what about the extraterrestrial component or some of the weird, you know, different accounts? And that is something that I found to be maybe a conflation with other mythologies that, in my view, could have been that they brought with them from an antediluvian past.
@inannabelieveThis comes down to the creatures called the Apkallu that I feature on the book, and that's the creature that... As often associated with the Anunnaki, or sometimes confused with the Anunnaki, and that would be like a bird-headed guy, and has the wings, sometimes holds the pinecone, this sort of thing. Those were Apkallu rather than Anunnaki.
@inannabelieveAnd so to sort through all of that and say, wait a minute, what's going on here? There's a lot more, I think, that should be unpacked. And when... I'm a real advocate for maybe just trying to avoid cults of personality and egos like this because I think that's where we have kind of closed off to the potentials and the new information that's coming out all the time from research in Assyriology and Sumerology because it's either, well, then was Sitchin right or was he wrong?
@inannabelieveAnd if he's, you know, you're either Sitchin, Michael Heiser, or Flint Dibble in this world. And unfortunately, I think there's a lot better ways to look at this, and we need to use the technology and advancements that we have to get to the bottom of this. Maybe recognize the contributions of those people in that field, but then also recognize that perhaps some of those individuals might have had agendas in pushing us towards different conclusions that are still being pushed today.
Ian MalcolmWell, and on that, Dr. Heather, I'm curious because you mentioned this idea, right, that perhaps it was alien in a literal sense or perhaps just alien to this group of people and maybe came from somewhere else where they were much more advanced. I'm kind of curious if you could describe any other groups of people at that point in time that might have been significantly advanced to the point that they would have been able to share this gigantic leap forward that was experienced by this other group.
@inannabelieveOh, I mean, that's, uh, probably would be best answered if we could find out what the language group was that they belong to. And that's something that, you know, they've been trying to do for a long time. And some people feel that we could get close to doing with artificial intelligence, trying to, you know, figure out who that language would be, uh, you know, associated with.
@inannabelieveBut I think that, uh, it's, it's going to be hard to say because right now we have Gobekli Tepe and that one is, uh, Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveWhat how advanced they were is I think where it gets tricky because it depends on it depends on your definition of advanced and whether or not they had civilizations in the broad sense like what the Sumerians once had I mean there's not really a lot of great evidence for any of them being there at that time um so and that leads me to I guess the question too of the firsts this is uh
@inannabelieveAnd the idea of the list of firsts, and I think I'm guilty of this as well in classes I've taught about the, you know, the grand things that the Sumerians were responsible for. And what I started to find was that not everything that's attributed to them as having, you know, the first is actually the first. And so that's a little bit of a red flag to me.
@inannabelieveSo for instance, the wheel itself, it was often described as the first in Sumer. It takes us back to a man named Samuel Noah Kramer, who was very integral in creating more of a popular understanding of the Sumerians and their role in society. And so it had been an academic discipline for a while, and he kind of
@inannabelieveThe North Caucasus around the mid-5th millennium BCE. That's predating anything found in Mesopotamia. There is a pot in Poland that dates to around 3500 BCE that has an image of what appears to be a four-wheeled wagon. And is one of the earliest depictions of a wheeled wagon. It has actual wheel and axle fragments that have been found in Slovenia that date back to 3200 BCE.
@inannabelieveAnd those are the oldest physical wheels found anywhere. And so even now when it's not been updated, but people say, oh, you know, in Sumer, that's where the wheel was first invented. It's like, well, actually, no, we have evidence to the contrary. But in this, in the West, there's a lot of, well, I think in America, I don't want to say the West completely, let me back that up and say most of it that's under the American Anthropological Association still sticks with this idea of Mesopotamian firsts, even though mainstream archaeology in all of these other countries will show you
@inannabelieveYou know, this is what it is. So it's not pseudo-archaeology, and it's not some sort of strange, like, idea you'd hear on late-night radio or something. It's real archaeology. It's just not somehow gotten to us. And so when you say something like that, then it's like, well, what do you mean? The Sumerians didn't do it?
@inannabelieveYou know, so it starts that whole thing. Horses and horse domestication, you know, like the wheel. That one... is from Eurasia. Horse domestication is anchored to the Volga-Don Steppe region, specifically from a study that came out in the journal Nature in 2021 that was looking at DNA, which traced modern domestic horse lineage to that area from all the way back to 2200 to 2000 BCE.
@inannabelieveAnd so that's even later than the older cultural claims from like, I think it was Kazakhstan, which once held the title of that. So we're talking about a lot of different regions that we usually don't hear about, I think. So we got the wheel, horse domestication, the horse-drawn spoke wheel. Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Godfroy, Raed Jamal, TOM, GameOfThrones, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelievePre-dating Sumerian brewing by that long. So while the Sumerians may have the oldest written down beer recipe, the residue of beer is found in a cave from 13,000 BCE. And even bronze metallurgy, early tin bronze production happens in the Balkans and the Caucasus region at about 3,700 to 3,000 BCE.
@inannabelieveAgain, that's way ahead of the Mesopotamian bronze, so that undercuts the idea that Sumer originated that technology, rather than adopting and scaling it. So, and again, these firsts are moving targets, and when there's better, like, archaeometric dating that improves, you're going to be able to push those timelines back in a lot of different ways.
@inannabelieveAnd that's interesting to me that it just keeps getting pushed back into these different regions that sometimes are far away from the Fertile Crescent and buck the narrative a little bit. And then when you point those out, it's almost like, well, how dare you say that? Especially given that some of these regions are more northern in climate, and that would then open it.
@inannabelievePeople migrate. They've moved around. That's another thing that a lot of people don't seem to want to appreciate or accept is that we're just constantly on the move and constantly migrating and sharing our cultures. But a lot of these firsts happened in Eurasia and the Caucasus, and then we see them later in Sumer. So some of that question is, did the Sumerian problem, what that is, is did the civilization start just out of nowhere?
@inannabelieveOr is it possible that the individuals who may have come into that region brought these pre-existing ideas? Maybe there was a more cosmopolitan approach where they were able to not originate the technology but adopt it and scale it. And so there's many different ways of looking at it. Maybe they didn't seemingly have fully formed civilization.
@inannabelieveInstead, maybe they were remembering it from You know, they're past civilization that they may have had to leave due to some of these climate issues from cataclysm.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's fascinating. And so I'm just kind of trying to think through and follow. So at the time, there were varying other groups that might have been responsible, but I suppose our knowledge on them is very limited. And because we don't know the language that this group of people were using, that it's very difficult to connect any of the dots, which
Ian MalcolmJust to think of the language, I'm curious, why is it so dissimilar to everything else that we have zero ability to translate what it would have been if not in its, let's say, definition? Let's say a subset or a result of some other language.
@inannabelieveYeah, I mean, that is the million-dollar question. So what different actually means... Assumer, it's not necessarily uniquely gifted or seated or something like that. You have, say, in the cultures that predated that, you do have script, you do have glyphs, and you have things that are like proto-writing. In some ways there could be a type of writing as well that maybe people haven't been able to translate, but the
@inannabelieveLet me see, where do I begin with this? Because there's the language, and then there's the script. And those are kind of two different things. Because the language of Sumerian, and then the script of cuneiform, which kind of lasted way past them using even Sumerian as a spoken language. So this gets into the areas of like, let's say Semitic or non-Semitic is not necessarily my best choice of words, but that's where...
@inannabelieveYou know, that's kind of where it lies. So, the question of is it related to the people in the region that were considered Semitic. This is why people who were able to read Hebrew can kind of, you know, look at these languages that are related to Babylon, etc., and they were able to translate it without, say, the Rosetta Stone.
@inannabelieveAnd this is a... I think it's important to maybe back up here on the discovery of the language and how we discovered it all, that it was so different, especially considering that it wasn't able to be read by anybody initially. Because that in and of itself, I think, is a story to show, you know, I want to say like the corruption or maybe the power structure behind it.
@inannabelieveSo initially, the...
@joann_marieOh no, did she drop?
Ian MalcolmYeah, what happened?
@joann_marieI'm gonna send her the mic.
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@mazelove14Yeah, no, I am hanging on to every word. She's filling in a lot of the... So, like, for people like me who, you know, I'm intrigued by it and I've looked into all of this and read the tablets and know the stories, but there was so much that she's adding that fills in. The gaps and that that kind of adds perspectives and texture and flavor like like it's it's so phenomenal like hearing um her and the way that she's just flowing it's like she's in a flow state and and i absolutely love it i mean and you actually asked the same question that i had initially which was you know like where were those people potentially like displaced from like well you know what kind of
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@inannabelieveI definitely don't want to interrupt you. I just want to say hello. I got to listen to you recently, and I think I'm a big fan. I was thinking while you were speaking, I wanted to know...
Speaker 2The implications that this has, I did hear the list of firsts. I did see that book, so I am glad that you kind of set the score straight with that. I wonder, there's a story I read somewhere where there was a language that was like given to, I want to say it was almost related to Hebrew belief system or something of that nature.
Speaker 2This is just something in my mind that popped up. But, you know, with the implications of these books sort of reflecting the later books we have around the world and how some religions talk about being the first Anunnaki, Reptile Hybrid
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@inannabelieveOh, thank you. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's totally fun. It means we're excited and sharing stuff. So just to back up and answer the question about the decipherment, because I think this leads into what you're asking a little bit. The idea of like, so the actual decipherment process, how it's a language isolate, I think, is where we left off.
@inannabelieveThe fact that there was this, the process essentially was comparative. So scholars would just like line up matching bilingual texts. And use their established knowledge of Akkadian as an anchor to give meaning to each passage, and then they reverse engineered the Sumerian signs and grammar next to it. Later then, they were able to expand it with lexical lists the Sumerians and Akkadians themselves compiled, which were essentially ancient dictionaries and sign lists, and things that they used to train their own scribes, and that kind of functioned as like a built-in set of Rosetta Stones.
@inannabelieveBecause thankfully the Sumerians were just avid record keepers and they had everything to teach so they were in a lot of schools so they taught writing, they taught math, they taught medicine, you name it, they taught all of their professions and as a result they had textbooks and they had like practice writing so a lot of things to compare back and forth and so
@inannabelieveIt really just took a lot of scholarship and grit to get it together and figure out what it was they were actually saying. However, as you could imagine, it's still up for debate. So people are still actively trying to translate things. So when somebody can come out and claim that this is exactly what it says, it's like, well, does it?
@inannabelieveBecause then there's that... Interpretation at play with something being, say, you know, I've used the example before, but if I said somebody were really cool, I could be meaning that, you know, hey, they're pop-culturally relevant or something to that effect. But you may read it and say that I'm implying that their body temperature is much lower than average.
@inannabelieveSo we have to take a lot of different things into context, and it's still a working field. So always be like kind of leery of people who say, oh, no, no, I know exactly what it says. But for the most part, they're... There are dictionaries and things available. The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature out of Oxford, as I think I mentioned earlier, and the Pennsylvania Sumerian Dictionary are both free and public.
@inannabelieveAnd a lot of people, maybe in a sit-in defender camp, will say that nobody can really read these texts, but that's just not the case. And so people have been working on this for a long time. But, more to your question, the implications of this. So, this is... The idea that Sumerian has no relatives, the fact that it is a language with no relatives that we're aware of.
@inannabelieveIt means that a language will tend to use separate or minimally inflected words rather than affixes. That's the isolating language component of it. Sumerian has no... Demonstrable relatives among the languages available to us. So that leaves open the possibility for an extinct or undiscovered family of languages. So that's kind of where it is now.
@inannabelieveWhen it comes to the implications, and I think this is where I'm concerned with AI because You have the question of who's supplying the data sets? What happens with this knowledge? When somebody's able to translate these texts, whether it's through a good old-fashioned translation, through a comparative means, or if it's through using artificial intelligence or large language models or something to that effect, they have the ability to literally rewrite history.
@inannabelieveIt's very powerful.
@inannabelieveIntroduction of Artificial Intelligence into this. Some of the experiments, I actually have a new book coming out about this called Codex Machina, and it is about looking at these ancient texts and trying to interpret them or maybe read into them, but the fact that they're using artificial means, artificial intelligence is interesting and exciting perhaps, but
@inannabelieveWhere is that going to go? Who owns that data? Who gave the data set? And currently, the answer to that comes from one organization called the Transatlantic Platform that's sort of trickled money into different countries like Endowments for Humanities and this sort of thing to have a centralized interest in creating a historical narrative.
@inannabelieveI think opens us up to a world of problems, particularly when you're trying to establish that perhaps this oldest civilization is the most advanced somehow. And I think that's where we get into the questions of, you know, who's better than whom. And I don't know that just everyday scholars are truly concerned about that.
@inannabelieveWhat I'm referencing are the people who are often at the very top funding these excavations who want to associate themselves with these long histories of bloodlines, right? So like if you go to a university and there's an archaeological program and they're excavating things and doing their research, They probably don't give two shits about who's first or last.
@inannabelieveThey're just doing their job and they're interested in what they're interested in. But you have to follow that money back and you have to say, who is interested? What are they doing? And there are answers to that. And there are groups, and this is why my work went from looking into ancient history, archaeology, this sort of thing, to power structures, and specifically,
@inannabelieveAnd this seems like it's jumping shark, but it's fully related into the occult. And that is because, you know, when you get so much money and time on your hands, it seems to be the case that what you start doing is, you know, thinking in different ways and positioning yourself at the top of that hierarchy and looking for ways to justify that, like the divine right of kings, elite bloodlines, maybe even extraterrestrial bloodlines, angelic bloodlines, just all of this to try to
@inannabelieveLink something to an ancient idea. This is owed to you. This is yours. You have the right to rule over others, both maybe in a litigious way, but then also for those who don't care about the law and are more spiritually inclined, then you can say, well, spiritually, it's such as well. And they cover all these different bases.
@inannabelieveAnd so you'd find this a lot where people in these positions of power have various beliefs that Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveIt sounds preposterous, and I'm sure it would have sounded absolutely bonkers to the elite-minded or high-minded people. In Berlin at the time, if you would have suggested that these, you know, clean-cut Hugo Boss-wearing politicians and military people who were, you know, very Germanic in their presentation, very logical, very orderly, if you would have suggested that, hey, you know, they're in a castle somewhere doing some strange old occult
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@inannabelieveWe've all seen things like Eyes Wide Shut and our imaginations run wild, but we know that it all isn't what it seems. And so people who have the means and, you know, have very different motivations, and then they will go after these myths and lore, and they will try to align themselves with this in such a way. So this has been what I have found, both in the research and by dealing with the people who've been interested in this subject matter contacting me.
@inannabelieveAnd so... I guess that's a long way of just saying that whoever finds the origin or the truth, so to speak, whoever can stake claim to some of these firsts might be able to claim that they have their flag planted, that they're first, that they're better, that sort of thing, and make a moral case for it.
@joann_marieThat was such an awesome response. Thank you so much, Dr. Heather. I wanted to ask you if there is any, you know, the Nephilim from the Bible and the Anunnaki because there is like the flood and then that they were rulers or they were fallen, you know, like all of those things. Do you think that there is a similarity there?
@inannabelieveOh, without a doubt. Yes, I think there's a great similarity. I think, too, when you look at the myths of the Anunnaki, one of the things that they were very much about was genetic engineering. Now, whether or not the look of that is that they were wearing lab coats and doing stuff in a really high-tech environment, or if they were using the technology available to them through
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@inannabelieveIt's represented by the pouring of waters of consciousness out and this sort of thing. So you see these parallels a lot over and over again. Part of what Enki did was he gave them the word. He gave them the ability to communicate. And over time, it was said that they did interbreed and intermingle. And so it's not directly, so the ancient texts don't necessarily identify the Nephilim with the Anunnaki.
@inannabelieveThere does seem to be this relationship with the Sumerian Anunna, which then later is the Akkadian Anunnaku. That's just that collective of Mesopotamian gods. And there's a lot of them, by the way. And so there's more than just the Enki, Enlil, etc. There's more than the 12 pantheon. And it becomes a name, more of a description than anything else.
@inannabelieveAnd then there's even ones that are like An and Ki that are higher above than the pantheon. of the gods themselves. And so when we talk about Anunnaki, there's 40-plus of them. But mostly we're talking about the ones that I think probably are best known in the myths and best put out there by Sitchin. But they appear as these great gods who participate in specifically this divine assembly, and their job is to determine destinies.
@inannabelieveAnd then later in the Akkadian tradition, they're gods that are associated with the underworld. And so they're considered divine and not necessarily the race of the giant human offspring. But the Nephilim, when they appear in Genesis, it says that they were on earth. And when the sons of God or those divine beings entered into the relationships with human women.
@inannabelieveAnd so that resulted in the mighty ones or the heroes of old or those types of terms. And so... There's not really a linguistic connection. Nephilim is Hebrew, and it's conventionally associated with the Semitic root meaning to fall, like N-P-L, to fall. And so the Anu and Anunnaki belongs though to Sumerian and Akkadian religious lexicon, and so it has a very separate formation in sort of linguistic history.
@inannabelieveIt resembles... They resemble each other, but they're not necessarily the same. So while the answer is probably just no, like they don't actually have a connection, in my view that there is a connection. I think the closer Mesopotamian comparison though is back again to the Apkallu. Those are the antediluvian sages. Those are associated with Enki.
@inannabelieveAs opposed to the Anunnaki more broadly. And I know it sounds like such a hair-splitting thing, but it's really something that I think is a key to cracking some of this, because when we consider the Apkallu as being something that in the text themselves they're described as semi-biological entities, whereas the Anunnaki could be diluted to mean just like lords or princely offspring.
@inannabelieveThe Apkallu were the seven sages, and they were specifically identified with the Palladian
@inannabelieveTransmit this divine knowledge of the arts and civilization to humanity even before the flood. This is kind of fitting the Enochian Watchers, you know, template a little bit better. And so I think that's, I guess, the way to look for it. So the Watchers and the Apkallu, their giant offsprings with the Nephilim tradition, I think it's kind of associated through that route.
@inannabelieveI guess long story short, it would be the Apkallu and their relationship to the Enochian Watchers. And then that's how you're able to get the relationship between the Nephilim tradition and the Anunnaki. Otherwise, the Nephilim are not related to the Anunnaki in that sense. So it's more Nephilim and Watcher tradition can maybe preserve the older antediluvian traditions, particularly when it comes to the Apkallu.
@inannabelieveI really think the key is the Apkallu. The more we can learn about them, if we're really interested in learning about maybe the otherworldly aspect of some of these stories and some of those beginnings, I really think the Apkallu and the associated genies and djinn and those entities that come later are where to look. And those, in my view, would be best described by Kiel's word, the ultra-terrestrial.
@joann_marieThis is amazing, my mind... It's blown. This is so awesome. Thank you so much, Dr. Heather. Well, thank you. All right. Should we go talk a couple of hands?
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's do it.
@joann_marieAll right.
Speaker 3Rachel, welcome. Hi, thank you. So I'm so excited to be here because ever since I heard about the Anunnaki, it totally contradicts what I learned in like church and stuff. So I wanted to know, How can so many different, like, religious groups and different, like, cultures, how can they get the birth of humanity so, like, misconstrued in, like, different ways?
Speaker 3Or, um, okay, so what I'm getting at is which, um, what archaeological proof Would be the closest to how humanity came about?
@inannabelieveHmm.
@inannabelieveWell, that's a very good question. God, if I had that answer, I think I would just, like, retire and call it a day. I think I would have found... That's why I said, who got it closer? Who got it closer? I think there's... So there's a few ways. So in terms of, like, say, anatomically modern humans, you know, those that have been... Gosh, I mean, I guess the question is, what does it mean to be human?
@inannabelieveYou know, I mean, we can talk about Homo sapiens, and of course, Homo sapiens sapiens, it's like the man who knows, and the man who knows, he knows. So in terms of archaeological evidence, gosh. Of course, there's Gobekli Tepe, that's at least 11,000 years old, and that kind of complicates the whole thing. It's older than anything, near or.
@inannabelieveAnd so... Some scholars have said it's like a temple. Others say it's a multi-purpose settlement. Right now the consensus is that hunter-gatherer, possibly rudimentary agriculture. So it's the seed of civilization, but not yet civilization proper. But that's only because there's not this full apparatus of what is defined as civilization.
@inannabelieveSo that would be something with science, industry, government, art, and things like that in an archaeological sense. So I think any literal reading of Genesis that puts humans at like a creation of like 6,000 years ago, I mean, that can be pretty much rolled out. The fossil record on human existence goes back nearly 200,000 years, and that's not even a contested finding.
@inannabelieveSome push it back even more. So I think the question really is like, well, yeah, how are we getting it so wrong? I think because a lot of the traditions, maybe Christianity, that sort of thing, more broadly, this is not to suggest all denominations think that we're only 6,000 years old, but you know, that is something.
@inannabelieveSo there's these timelines that go back only so far. Then there's the archaeological record. There's the fossil record. And so how far back we go, you know, 200,000 years, but that window's getting pushed back all the time. Much to Michael Cremo's delight, I think. He's always liking to put out things about, look at this thing, it pushes our timeline back.
@inannabelieveBut I think the question, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that... What may be most interesting is the question of when did we become human in the sense that we understand what it is to be human and not simply like, you know, homo sapien or some sort of, you know, anthropomorphic animal. And that really is, wow.
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@inannabelieveThere's many different explanations for the so-called, like, awakening of humankind, where we might have gone from, you know, caves to being able to have cave art, being able to then have abstract thought and communication. This is really a story of the mind, and there's many different ways to look at it. One, it's a fun one, Terrence McKenna threw out, uh, stoned ape theory.
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@inannabelieveAre they going to be able to pass that down genetically? So that poses a problem. The answer is probably not. Secondly, you have the option of perhaps... This is good. Richard Wrangham in Harvard, he's a Harvard primatologist, wrote a book called Catching Fire. And his idea was that... When we were able to use fire for cooking, that enabled us to get more nutrients and allow a bigger brain size.
@inannabelieveThat could have been passed on genetically because not only could you have healthier offspring, but, you know, genes can turn on and off. And so if before that you're eating whatever you could gather and it's raw, the basic, you know, as we all probably remember from high school biology, the cell wall of a plant is much thicker and
@inannabelieveAs such, when you eat that, you don't get as many nutrients. So sorry for the raw food advocates, but if you cook the food, you're pre-digesting it a bit. You're breaking down that cell wall, the cellulose there, and you're able to then access the nutrients. And likewise with the meat, to an extent, any of that is like pre-digestion.
@inannabelieveThen you're able to access more nutrients for the same amount of food. You're unlocking the food's potential. That has the potential then maybe. There's also another theory where our location... With relation to seafood may have made a difference because of the availability of omega fatty acids and DHA and those sorts of things on the developing brain of a fetus.
@inannabelieveAnd so it would have been able to be maybe a little more advanced. But who knows though, right? But we do know something happened to create a rapid expansion of processes of thinking that were And enabling us to have abstraction and symbolic thought. I would say that that is what it would be to be human, how we understand it.
@inannabelieveBecause to be human, we are known by the artifacts that we make. We're like a tool making, tool using species, but we make things. And so you make things because in your mind you have these ideas. And you create something, it materializes, you create something out of matter, and it's out there. And then you can communicate through that, whether it be through, you know, an actual tool, a song, a word, anything.
@inannabelieveYou're able to take what's inside and put it out. When you're able to do that too, that level of abstraction allows you to kind of gameplay scenarios and see yourself maybe telling a story or a narrative, like, hmm, if I go over here and do this, This may happen. Maybe I don't want to do that. So rather than going and practicing it and then maybe getting injured, you're able to imagine yourself doing it, potentially getting injured, and then stay away from that injury.
@inannabelieveSo there's so many complexities that came about from this, like, the kind of big brain bang, as they call it, that I think that's more interesting, at least, as to how we became human than just simply, was there a big bang? You know, some rocks are exploding or this sort of thing. So in terms of the archaeological evidence, that's a hard one for that because there's no, you know, in the skull, there's no evidence of like what the brain may have looked like.
@inannabelieveThat's all gone by then. But we do have the artifacts that are left behind. So we're able to try to understand how advanced the thinking became. Color ideas, the ideas of naming conventions. So fun fact, All cultures, for the most part, that we know of, there may be an outlier, but for the most part, all cultures, when they develop a language for color, it starts with white and black because it references light and darkness, and those are the reference points.
@inannabelieveThen eventually there's a gray area, but there's some work and there's papers out that show the actual, you know, Colors and how they evolve. The next most important one is red because that's the color of blood. And so later now, think of how far out we've gone. And again, with this like advanced thinking, we have Pantone colors.
@inannabelieveWe could go to Home Depot right now and have every color you could imagine, every variation of shade in every which way. The color orange, if you ever look back and see like animals like a red fox, a red-tailed hawk, a robin redbreast, And they're like, yeah, it's not real red. It's more like orange. Well, that's because the color orange that we understand was always a different shade of red.
@inannabelieveIt was called red until not that long ago when the orange trade got, you know, so popular and people love the fruit so much, they ended up calling everything that was once called red, orange. And so the orange came before the color. And that was not that long ago. And even the color pink is new. The color pink, like if you look at your pinky,
@inannabelieveIt's like, why would that be a pinky? Well, because that's roughly the size of the flower that was called a pink. And it was a pink shade. Otherwise, it would have been called rose color, rose-colored glasses, so it was another variation on the shade of red. And later, we named the color pink after the color that it was the flower pink.
@inannabelieveAnd so it gets really wild, but when you trace those chains of understanding... Those are, that's archaeological evidence even though it doesn't come in the form of a stone. It comes in the form like embedded in situ into the language we use every day. That's why I'm a big fan of pointing out etymology and origins like that because just like the Sumerian problem, the key is going to lie in where did the language come from?
@inannabelieveYou know, what is in the language? What is lost in that? So it's good to stop and Not only smell the roses or the pink, but to try to stop and figure out what we're actually saying when we say words.
@joann_marieThis has been one of my favorite spaces, Ian. I loved it.
Ian MalcolmYeah, it's better than smelling the fox, I suppose. But no, this is, JoAnn, and I just want to commend you for making the recommendation to hold it. And just to call out something that's in the purple pill, somebody basically said to me, you know, as a Christian, how can you have conversations about this subject? And I just find that kind of weird because I don't view them as mutually exclusive in the sense that you can be intellectually curious about all sorts of worldview
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Ian MalcolmI'm going to leave this, but others are welcome to. And it's kind of, I feel like it's almost kind of cowardly to shy away from things that might contrast with your otherwise worldview. And Dr. Heather, I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on that subject, because I'm sure you get a lot of pushback on that.
@inannabelieveOh, for sure. It's interesting. There's one sad thing. It's that Blavatsky stole this wonderful, wonderful statement From Sanskrit. The Sanskrit phrase was roughly translated to, there's no dharma higher than truth. But eventually she took that, westernized it, used it for the motto of the Theosophical Society. And that motto is, there is no religion higher than truth.
@inannabelieveAnd so I really, though I'm not a big fan of theosophy, I do think that's a great way to look at it. My view on that too is that truth is paramount. Okay, any faith, any religion, in my view, again, this is all subjective, but in my view, truth has to be number one. The platonic triad that even is a basis for, you know, Christian thought that comes through the apostles and comes through church fathers.
@inannabelieveIn some way, shape, or form, you have this idea of truth, beauty, goodness in varying degrees. And so, truth is always paramount no matter what. And to me, if the truth cannot hold up to your faith, Then it's more of a problem with your faith and it's not the truth.
@inannabelieveBelief and faith are two different things. And I think that's important to point out as well. But I think at the end of the day, we can all recognize that these so-called religions
@inannabelieveIt's us trying to understand the nature of God and get closer. So again, that's my personal view. People have all their religious views. They can think what they want to think. But at the end of the day, to reiterate that saying that, again, does not come from Blavatsky. She stole, stole, stole that. But to me, there is no religion higher than truth.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's a good one, and I'll keep pursuing it as best I can. And again, try to be open-minded to that, which even at times might be uncomfortable, because as you pointed out at the beginning of this conversation, there's a lot of things that you probably now subscribe to that you once upon a time would have thought crazy, and I certainly know that to be the case with my worldview.
Ian MalcolmI'm told on all sorts of things, including crazy, for thinking is the case, but I... I know for certain that I'm correct on these things. But to turn things over, I'm curious, JoAnn, if you have any thoughts or questions, or if Maze does. And if not, we can go through some... Oh, I see Maze says random.
@mazelove14Yes, I do. So I wanted to ask about... Can we go back to the Stargaze real quick? So if anything, did you discover significant about that? I mean, there was something that came out recently. I think it was... Open AI former employee that came out and said that like Sam is opening some Stargates I think right now in like I don't know the Middle East but he's already opened some here and I mean I don't know why like this this former employee said that or whatever but just in general I mean I'm curious to know with your research what you've um found and do you think that they are trying to
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@inannabelieveAnd plus many other things. It would have looked very different than what we see now. Likewise, and probably even funnier in my view, is the idea that the ancient Greeks were surrounded by white marble and crumbling infrastructure. And because it's been romanticized as such an art. And even shows or films like, I think my favorite depiction is Clash of the Titans circa 1980s, where everything just looks like it's in ruins.
@inannabelieveAnd, you know, we don't necessarily stop to question that, but we should, because the reality of that is that all of those statues were garishly painted. They were... Very, like, vivid reds, yellows, blues. And this is just an established fact I've done. You know, you can see versions of it. If you Google it, it's fun because you can see some of the statues as they are now versus how they would have been.
@inannabelieveAnd some of them are a little funny looking because it's just, you know, our expectancy bias is challenged and it looks a little different. So, but the only reason we would think that they weren't colored is because we're left with the Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveYou know, all these Greek buildings, etc. But they were always just white. And what they should have done is painted them all red, blue, green, yellow, and been very colorful. But we have this idea then of... What things are like, and so when the reality comes out, it challenges us. Likewise with Stargates. You think of maybe a metal ring from the film and the television franchise.
@inannabelieveIt's like this very specific pop cultural picture. And I think it's done real damage to the serious conversation about what the ancient sources were describing Stargates to be, and perhaps what they are right now. In my first book, I referenced a friend, Gary David. He did a lot of work on this. He spent a lot of time with the Hopi indigenous peoples and spent a lot of his life, I would say, researching this.
@inannabelieveAnd he had a very, I think, a full comprehensive view of what the Stargate is as like a divine tunnel located, say, in the sky, which
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@inannabelieveStriking consistency to signify an interdimensional portal, a transition between worlds or a gateway between one reality and another. It's the doorway through which the shaman begins the ecstatic quest from the physical to the spiritual plane. And in a contemporary context, I would say it's the veil that you pierce if you are a psychonaut and perhaps you do DMT and you enter a different realm.
@inannabelieveAnd I think that Many people over time and many cultures have experienced the same thing and they've described it in these different ways. And so what we're looking at is Possibly the same phenomena, but just wearing a different cultural costume. And so the Sumerians seem to have encoded this directly into their language.
@inannabelieveThe word An from Anunnaki means heavenly, and Ka meant gateway. And so the star name An-Ka that they had, which we get through the Arabic Al-An-Ka, the phoenix, functions in the Sumerian lexicon as Anka or Sky Portal. And so even in their language, they're kind of pointing this idea of a stargate or the sky portal. And it's like a linguistic fingerprint on the concept that shows how they were naming the stars themselves.
@inannabelieveAnd so back to like Gary David's work and others who looked up at the stars and looked at constellations and all of this thing. It's associated with that. And so I think the real portal of the mind is when it's expanded beyond its ordinary limits through sometimes like... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveI think at the end of the day what we might be looking at is that the actual meaning of Stargate across all of these concepts are aspects of a higher dimensional reality that's accessible through the portal of the human mind rather than a science fiction metallic thing. And what that has to do with CERN? CERN looks to be a Stargate in that conventional sense, but I think the technology that they're using is subatomic.
@inannabelieveA question of what it means to enter higher dimensional realities. Mind is very like woo. It's a hard word to pin down like consciousness. But that doesn't mean it's separate from an actual material reality. And so I would think that CERN, in the way that they're using material science, they're coming at it from the other side of this.
@inannabelieveBut I think it's like a full circle moment. Where you can go from the immaterial and then go around that to the veil and meet the material. And that's just my view of it. That is fascinating.
@mazelove14Okay, okay, okay. Sorry. So I just have a follow-up. So, okay. Actually, I'm really grateful that you broke down what? Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@mazelove14And in essence, like, when you think back to, like, Edgar Cayce, you know, how he would be able to kind of, like, go through, like, how he described when he was going to the Akashic is, like, he would kind of, like, go and run up, like, kind of these stairs out of the darkness. And as he went up, it would continue to get light.
@mazelove14And so I always, I pegged that there. I put a little pin in it. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. But then you saw, like, people like Dr. Grinberg. Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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@mazelove14Was it because they were taking their consciousness into another body? Were they using something like the Stargate?
Speaker 4They had greater material science knowledge than we do today and it was buried just like nuclear technology was today when the Sumerians broke away from the Devas and they identified themselves differently because there was the Asuras, which were referred to as the demons and the Devas, but the Asuras probably referred to themselves differently, gave themselves a new name.
Speaker 4And when they broke away from the devas, were not given all of the same technologies, continued to divide humanity over and over and over again in defiance by breaking the caste system that the devas had. There was the Brahmin and different levels of society. So if you appeal to the people at the bottom of the pyramid and said, we'll give you power like the devas, and then divided society against itself over and over and over again,
Speaker 4In defiance of the order and the structure that was there, that might describe why we have so many different ideologies that came from after the Tower of Babel. People were united prior to that, but then new beliefs were sowed, and many beliefs point to this same moment in time where people were divided, perhaps by something using mimicry to pose as a god, when they were quite the opposite, fighting in defiance against.
Speaker 4Food for thought.
@joann_marieThank you. Thank you so much, Saar. Dr. Heather, would you like to add anything?
@inannabelieveNo, I think those are really great points and I love the work of Roger Penrose and I think that's something that may become more... Maybe more in the public discussion as we get deeper into understanding artificial intelligence, in particular the transhumanist goal of merging man and machine. And I think that a lot of the evidence points to that being more of, rather than us becoming augmented, it may be the other way around.
@inannabelieveThings like organoids and
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@inannabelieveNeurons Attached, Organic Matter Attached, as opposed to just simply putting a chip in our brain. Instead, we're putting our brain on the chips. And so what will that mean for consciousness with something like this Penrose and Hameroff framework? I think it's going to be interesting and a little bit scary too. It may open up a whole new question about Stargates, because what would happen when you maybe alter
@inannabelieveSo if you have one of these organoids or you have a chip that's running off of silicon and brain tissue, what happens when you add DMT or an entheogen or some sort of substance to that? What will you see? So I think the future is going to be quite a brave new world.
Speaker 2Holy cow, that's such a good idea. I never even thought about giving a heart microchip bio to—wow.
@inannabelieveI know, it's evil, isn't it? It's terrifying, I know, right? It is, yeah, it's just, it's going to be something, they're ramping this stuff up here, you know, and I think that it's closer than we know to maybe at least understanding that maybe not what's beyond the veil, but at least accepting that there is such a thing as a veil or that there's something unseen that is interacting with the scene, you know, so body-mind integration.
@inannabelieveMaybe we'll have that again through the efforts of transhumanists, you know, because even good can come out of bad sometimes. I've let that bias show. I'm not really into transhumanism. I think it's a very dangerous idea. And of course, the argument is, oh, we're all kind of transhumanists. If we're wearing glasses, we've been augmented.
@inannabelieveOur phone is, you know, imprinted now in the homunculus of the brain. There are studies that have been interesting to show that if you leave your phone With at home or you know you forget it you're tormented by it but then even in the brain mapping system where it is uh depicted as a little person like the homunculus there's actually
@inannabelieveA space getting carved out, shall we say, to represent the phone itself. So people can have phantom limb when it comes to the phone. Like you just feel like you need that phone in your hand. And because our brains are very plastic. So yes, it could be argued we're already like deep into transhumanism, but I think we all know.
@inannabelieveIt's like porn.
@amirkahhhhhhDr. Heather, can I interrupt real quick? Sure, yeah. Would you say that back then when we relied mainly on like writing, that that's where like there was a pencil there and now there's a phone where the hand is? Yeah.
@inannabelieveYeah. I just have a quick question.
@mazelove14Have you heard of the Gateway Experience? Yes. That's where I first heard the word homunculus. And it was interesting because that also is kind of like the Gateway Stargate. You know what I mean? I thought it was interesting.
@inannabelieveIt is. It's interesting indeed.
@inannabelieveYou get into occult ritual magic with that, the efforts to make it homunculus for various reasons. Very interesting concept.
Speaker 2And Maze, with the Gateway, I listened to the hundreds of hours of Monroe putting people into the state to speak with entities beyond the veil, like you were talking about. Oh, that was you!
@mazelove14Can you send me that link again? I could not remember for the life of me who it was that told me they listened to that.
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@inannabelieveYeah, I think it's kind of going in a direction now where people are going to rely on artificial intelligence as the Socratic daemon. You know, the entity that they're speaking to and they're going to give divine attributes to it as such. I worry if you take it back all the way to the beginning where you have, say, ancestor worship and the ideas of where we get the voices anyway.
@inannabelieveThe idea of the spirit speaking to us and maybe initially it could be the spirit of the ancestors. Some of the ways that it's looked at in different schools of thought and one that I kind of lean towards anyway is that in the beginning it was remembered voices. There wasn't necessarily a strong demarcation in identities.
@inannabelieveFor instance, if you had lessons that your father gave you and things he'd say or what have you, if he died, you would be able to pass that on. You could actually embody him. You could mimic him. You could do that in a narrative form and story. You wouldn't even need writing. And most of the time, you know, you wouldn't have had writing.
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@inannabelieveLike in so in a cognitive behavioral sense now we would look at that as saying you're the observer of your feelings so instead of saying like i am mad you would say I feel mad. So you're not identifying with those feelings and emotions and all these like fleeting sort of impulses are what the ancients often called like the furies or you know name your culture name your name but they would be like the gods it's like a pagan sense there'd be anger there'd be love there'd be all of this you could either experience them like the muse would you know go into you and you could express the the the inspiration or the spirit of the muse
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@inannabelieveLike Nietzsche said, we have like a God-shaped hole in our heart. We're looking for something, especially in modernity where we're just really lacking connection to spirit or even understanding what it is. And what I think is coming in place instead is going to be digital means. And it's going to be like... The role of the Socratic daemon, where you would be kind of bouncing ideas back and forth and developing your thinking instead of just internally and identifying that as a demon that you're actually saying, hey, you know, Socratic daemon, I'm going to name you this.
@inannabelieveI'm going to have a series of dialogues and meditations to hash out my feelings and thoughts. But Instead, now we can say, I'm just talking to myself. It's just I'm thinking. I have a running narrative. But eventually, what it looks like are many people are hashing out those thoughts with artificial intelligence. And they're using things like ChatGPT to actually talk.
@inannabelieveAnd whether that's good or bad is yet to be seen. In some cases, it's leading to psychosis. But in other cases, there's a vulnerability there that, again, when you look at the very top of who's controlling, who's in charge, these You know, big tech people, they know what they have. They know what they have. They have the ultimate Socratic daemon.
@inannabelieveThey have the ultimate ability to have, like, a god in your head. Because the message can be controlled from the very top. So I think that's the danger. I think we're looking at that, yes, this thing is going to take the place of God for many people.
@mazelove14That's heavy. But that's true. I mean, I agree. I do think that if people have not gone beyond the gateway of belief into like knowing or like that seeking to where you must know, like, you know, and that experience, then I think it's going to be hard to know what's real and what's not. And, you know. Yeah, so that's fascinating.
@inannabelieveAnd then people want to put that authority, like a lot of people in places of power want to give... The so-called authority to AI by saying this is a fully rational, logical thing. Henry Kissinger, before he died, one of the last essays he wrote argued for the nuclear codes of the world to be under control of artificial intelligence because it could make rational decisions not based in emotion.
@inannabelieveSo right there, they're forecasting this idea that we could have this autonomous, logic, logos-based... I call it in my new book Logos and Silica so that it's going to be something beyond. And they're going to say this is the smartest thing. You already see it in the rhetoric where they say that artificial intelligence by this date or that date is going to be smarter than every person on Earth.
@inannabelieveIt's going to be better, stronger, faster, whatever. And in that case, we should just defer to it. And I think that's where a huge danger lies. Unfortunately, I think they're trying to create a silicone god, and their new religion is technosis.
@mazelove14Holy cow. That's a whole space in itself. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how often you do the spacing thing, but I would love to go down these rabbit holes.
@inannabelieveThis is my second one. This is my second. I'm kind of new to X. I know I just kind of popped on I had an old account but it got like totally like I couldn't even access it anymore they kept taking my money still I I complained and they wouldn't give me my handle back so I don't even have my right handle anymore so I picked the funny in on a believe because you know
@mazelove14I looked at your page and I'm like, how come she doesn't have like a million followers? Guys, everybody in here right now, go click on her profile and make sure you give her a follow. Go look at her posts. I was going and scrolling through them. I can't wait to go through your page. I hope you guys help share her work.
@mazelove14This is the type of building that really attracted me to social media. It was through the social audio spaces where people can From all over the world can sit in a digital space right and and and you know the common denominator being the topic all walks of life and have these discussions like you know you can literally in four hours probably go cover an entire college course right like because you people are just going so so deep and bringing the knowledge together i would love to go i've already written down about five other things
@mazelove14That, um, you know, I would love to have, you know, more conversations on. But with that being said, there's a bunch of hands up. I'm going to shut up because I'm sorry.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no. I'll jump in with a really quick one. And obviously, I've got my bias in terms of the worldview. And just because you were just talking about the technocracy. And I mean, I think you're exactly correct in the sense that the people that are in control right now, I believe that they're going to try and basically utilize AI as the judge, the jury, and thanks to drones with
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Ian MalcolmHow that plays into this because again you know even if I take religion off the table if I just scroll through Wikipedia and I look at Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg and just about everybody atop of all of the various AI companies they're all from the same group of people right and and so I'm just kind of curious if that plays into your thoughts in terms of you know AI as a control mechanism I mean I I think they're absolutely going to aim to do precisely that it's just
Ian MalcolmYou then have to look at who it is that's running all of those things, so I'm curious if that factors into your worldview at all.
@inannabelieveWell, I guess a no, because I don't really set out looking for individuals that are sort of to blame for anything, because I also kind of believe, if you will, in the concept of an egregore. I think that there can be something that's so powerful that's said by so many different people that it gets to a point where it takes on a life of its own and it outlives the people even.
@inannabelieveSo, you know, with that said, when you start to study things, you do see patterns. Patterns emerge, you see things that are connected. And so, yeah, I mean, it does seem to be that there are individuals that seem to have a... Anunnaki, Raed Jamal, JoAnn Marie, Godfroy, Raed Jamal
@inannabelieveThe idea of Zionism. And not all Jewish people are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jewish people. It's something else completely. And, you know, you can get into the weeds on, well, this view isn't very productive or that view isn't productive, and you'll find that in every single belief system. I'm more concerned with, in my work going into, say, occulted spaces, you do see
@inannabelieveSomething very particular come about in many different belief sets, but then gets, I think, I don't want to say formalized, but I guess mobilized within one. And so, Zionism is like the political movement of it.
@inannabelieveAnd so there's many different practices, many different spins on it. A lot of these things we talk about are so ancient, and they've reached so many different peoples that they've changed all along the way, so it's not one thing. However, there is a point that I'm sure many people are familiar with by now, in 1666, where there is a shift in people's philosophy about Kabbalah and about the Tree of Life, and they...
@inannabelieveThey essentially create an inversion of that that incorporates a tree of death. And so you have, it's commonly called Lurianic Kabbalah, but Isaac Luria pretty much only, I would say, planted the seeds for what would be to come. And there's this idea in even academia of praxis, there's an idea like where I think it's a really toxic, terrible thing.
@inannabelieveI think in academia, you're supposed to have academic freedom because you're supposed to be able to think out there, even with dangerous ideas. You're supposed to toy with these things in the safety of the ivory tower. You're not supposed to then take it out and put it into the practice of the world because those are consequences.
@inannabelieveYou're supposed to be ideating. Well, what we have is what people like to do in the activist space, which is called praxis, which is like, we're going to take all these, you know,
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@inannabelieveAnd so you have those taboo kind of practices being brought over during the 1800s and the occult revival through the currents going into Western esotericism and sort of mixing those things up and forming like Crowley and his practices.
@inannabelieveWell, some of this can be great, like talk in a Vienna coffee shop, but when you actually have a day-to-day life, when you have people, when you have, you know, consequences for these thoughts, you can't just go out and put them into practice. But what we see is that people are, and it's causing death and destruction, and absolute, as my friend Sam Tripoli says, astroturfing of Armageddon.
@inannabelieveYou know, shout out to Sam for that one. I just think that was the best way to put it. So... I mean, I guess that's a long way to say, yes, I have found these patterns. No, I'm not looking for them, but you can't not see what's right in front of you.
Ian MalcolmNo, it is. The over-representation is kind of glaring. And it's concerning just because, again, this idea of AI becoming the law, becoming a god, becoming whatever. Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveUh, formation of the fields of Assyriology and Sumerology, and how it was like a very corrupt situation. If you go to the Penn Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology in Philadelphia, on that museum, there are six-pointed stars all over the building. Uh, before, I mean, the museum opened in 1899, and uh, they were pushing for...
@inannabelieveA lot of these different symbols to be used, and they're there. They're clear as day. And so we know that that so-called Magan David is not a Jewish sign at all. It's a hexagram. It's one of the oldest and most widely borrowed shapes out there, so it's definitely not unique to Judaism. But historically, the symbol for Judaism was a menorah and not a six-pointed star, because the...
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@inannabelieveAnd and so yeah absolutely and it was um they presented it to be you know on the star of uh or the flag of israel at the first zionist congress um you know in like 1948 this gets to be a thing but um this was all going on the backdrop of of sumerology and the advent of archaeology as a whole and initially Some individuals in the Jewish faith were not allowed to even study this, and so they had people who were sympathetic who would go in and bring them in.
@inannabelieveEventually, the whole thing became, you know, sort of peppered with Zionism, we'll say. And so much so that there was a German, of course, that he gets thrown out immediately as like a... Okay, we can't listen to the Germans. It's, you know, but his name was DeLitch. And he was like the leading scholar on Assyriology and spent over a decade studying all of this until one day he kind of changed his mind about the nature of the Sumerians and
@inannabelieveHe was convinced that the Sumerians weren't really a different people altogether because before that, again, it was back and forth about if they were Semitic or not. And this was not settled science. And this guy wrote a lexical and grammatical work. I mean, he was no small figure in that. But then he changed his mind on the whole thing and had a series of lectures called Babel and Bible.
@inannabelieveAnd he, again, as a professor of Semitic languages and Assyriology in Berlin. He was also the son of another professor who did all of this, and so he was very well respected. Eventually what he did was say, hey, you know what? Our discoveries have pushed back the Old Testament by a lot. It's actually showing that a great deal of the Old Testament, like the flood story, creation story, the Sabbath,
@inannabelieveSome of the law had been borrowed from older Babylonian sources and they were Canaanite in origin. And he argued that the Babylonian culture was already formed before the Israelites ever arrived. And this created like this huge international craze because it kind of demoted the Bible then from the oldest and original book in their minds at that time.
@inannabelieveAnd that made him a little famous, but then he came out with a whole thing where he discussed Yahweh as being A Storm God of the Canaanites. Some of this is, again, we can Google this and find that this is not necessarily contested, but at the time, it was, and this was huge. People believed him because of who he was, and then right towards the end of his life, he published in 1920 a book called The Great Deception.
@inannabelieveIn this book, he completely, savagely denied Everything that he had gone through before, he kind of turned everything and basically said that Christianity needed to cut itself loose from Jewish roots entirely. He tried to take the Jewish origin out of Western civilization. He elevated what he called a Pan-Babylonian inheritance over a Semitic or Jewish one.
@inannabelieveThere's a whole bunch of his work. A lot of it's just in German. I had some of it translated and I spoke on it a little bit because people have disregarded him because he's German and they say he has tried to make an Aryan Jesus. However, he died before, you know, he died in like 1921, I think. So he was doing this in like the 1800s.
@inannabelieveAnd that's not to say that these like racial beliefs weren't already sort of picking up or what have you, but He's thrown away as though he was just this betrayer. But for him, Babylon doesn't compete with Sumer, but it carries Sumerian culture forward, which most people would agree with. There's tons of work, but the great deception that he said was basically this notion that the non-Semitic Babylonians, the Assyrians,
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@inannabelieveIt's another one that's interesting only because the area of Palestine where Jesus was from was a very cosmopolitan area, we'll say. Not necessarily in like a wealth sense, but just in a diversity is our strength sort of way. And the idea of the goyim simply meant people of other nations, like just not us. And so technically speaking, it didn't mean someone who wasn't
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@inannabelieveThe espionage, because that was a whole thing. Most of archaeology was a spy network done in order to redraw the lines in the Middle East from the British perspective and this sort of thing. But this all points to, strangely enough, Zechariah Sitchin, whose big push was Zionism. That's what he was really working for, unapologetically, by the way.
@inannabelieveThis was something that, even his last lecture was on Jerusalem, it was called. And it was about how Jerusalem needed to be
@inannabelieveIt's in reference to a press release that Sitchin himself had Harry Truman sign that is the first and only of its time signed recognition of the State of Israel. It was a press release from May 14, 1948 that just hurriedly went out. This government has been informed that a Jewish state has been proclaimed in Palestine and recognition has been requested by the provincial government thereof.
@inannabelieveThe United States recognizes the provisional government as the de facto authority of the new state of Israel.
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@inannabelieveVery involved in many Zionist-specific organizations, which, you know, you have to put that out there. He also, by the way, and this is just as a side note that, you know, a very good and trusted source and friend of mine, Jason, who is interested in the Anunnaki and has some really great work on YouTube about it, sent my way, which was in the Epstein file.
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@inannabelieveThis idea of the Anunnaki, and it's important to just know that because when you're looking at history, you have to look at everybody's biases. It doesn't mean that everything he said is wrong. It doesn't mean that anything he said is right. It just simply means you have to know what you're dealing with when you start working with this stuff, and many people never reference.
@inannabelieveIt's not just a passing interest. It's not just the fact he was Jewish. He was in the IDS. You know, he was born in Azerbaijan, but then he went to live as a young kid and was raised in British Mandate Palestine. So he was a colonizer in Palestine and worked for Zionism. His whole thing was trying to push Zionism. As a side gig, and in a lot of the different press all over the world that discusses him, he's also in, like, Encyclopedia Judaica, he's in the archives, he's considered a Zionist figure, but they reference his work as, you know, like, popular author or, you know, author of, you know, things about human origins.
@inannabelieveThey never say Anunnaki, ancient alien theory, etc., whatever, because they're... So, it's just important to know. And then the question is, well, how could that have peppered his worldview, perhaps? You know, and that one's come under a lot of scrutiny, as you can imagine. That one got me some hate. I got the attention of good old Jason Colavito, or whatever, the guy who has the blog where all he does is just...
@inannabelieveYou know, try to take down people and debunk, which is fine. He did a whole case-by-case look at this. And what's funny is he actually, like, helped my case because he found more documents that supported it, said that he didn't realize it, but basically had to reframe my thing. If you look, he put it up on X. He added me.
@inannabelieveI don't think I responded because it was just kind of like a waste of time. But he said, he claimed that I was saying that there was an Aryan Jesus. And it's, again, he's... He's doing what a lot of people do, whether he's doing it in good faith or he's just manipulative, not understanding what a historiography is, which is very important to understand.
@inannabelieveIt is the history of the history of. So I'm laying out the discussion of this is what happened, this is how people perceived that, this is the arguments that came about, these are basically the academic beefs that went on. So just because I'm presenting all of those different viewpoints doesn't mean I'm adhering to any of them.
@inannabelieveBut... He would rather go on there and say that I was trying to push an Aryan Jesus narrative, that I'm anti-Semitic, that I'm blaming the Jews. And what's the funniest is he's so anti-ancient alien in any way. He's anti-Sitchin. But it's so funny how people's push to support Israel will get them to support and advocate the things they've always been against.
@inannabelieveAnd that was just kind of humorous to me.
@mazelove14Wow, I cannot wait to go down that rabbit hole. Oh, go down it.
@inannabelieveGo down it.
@mazelove14Listen, I am. I already went to your sub stack and I am going through it. Guys, her sub stack is pinned into her profile. Go up there and make sure you read about this. There will definitely be some spaces on it. But let's go to the hands. I know there's been people here waiting. JoAnn, I don't know who was next. I don't want to...
@joann_marieIt's Amirul. Okay. Amirul, go for it.
@amirkahhhhhhYo, thanks. I feel lucky to be first because I'm very excited to talk to Dr. Heather. Guys, if you don't follow her, I'm going to kick your ass. But seriously, you're very knowledgeable, very interesting, and I have a lot of things I want to talk to you about. But my first question is, what are your thoughts on the concept of the third eye, and what has all of your knowledge made you conclude?
@inannabelieveI think the third eye as a concept is important. Whether or not it's located in the space when you close your eyes and meditate. I'm not sure what to make of that anymore because I know that people have had really actual experiences with that, including myself. But there's different ways that people can describe their experiences and have those experiences.
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@inannabelieveI guess in a way folk peer-reviewed through practices, meditation, holotropic breathing, there's entheogens, there's you name it, there's so many different things. So I think that it's an ancient technology that we are far removed from, that maybe further removed from than our ancient predecessors. I think that they probably had a better grip on it all together and were able to have these practices and maybe
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@inannabelieveCompile or put the puzzle pieces back together of a puzzle that we once maybe had put together and then was shaken up. And so, I don't know. I think all the practices we see are like, you know, the infinity gauntlet, like we have to go after those little infinity stones and put it all together.
@amirkahhhhhhAnd before I continue, what are your thoughts on Hinduism, you know, essentially developing these practices, including meditation, in order to activate the so-called Third Eye?
@inannabelieveWell, I think that it's probably, given its relationship to, you know, like, Proto-Indo-European, the very, very ancient history of it, I think that it probably holds a lot of keys, and I think a lot of other people thought that as well, which is why it was, a lot of its practices were imported and then mixed up into, like, a Western sense to make, you know, this, maybe, a cult.
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@inannabelieveEven in that context, all of the little truths and hidden truths are fractured like a puzzle within a puzzle. But I think if you're interested in learning, I think that would be a place to look. But also with the caveat being that that's where a lot of like darker practices also come from because it's just so rich with that.
@inannabelieveHistoryocity, that you're going to find that. So I wouldn't recommend people start practicing things willy-nilly, but I would say it's definitely worth looking into if you're looking for like the golden thread to connect between all of these different faiths.
@amirkahhhhhhLove to hear it. Well, my thoughts on the third eye is, well, you know, I think it's very interesting that they usually portray it on the forehead, which is where the frontal lobe is and the prefrontal cortex is. And my belief is that the prefrontal cortex, since it's the largest part of So since it's largest in humans, and it's what makes us distinctly human, is what meditation practices and other practices are trying to target, is this PFC, which is responsible for very important executive functions, including focus, patience, slashing, ratification, and self-monitoring, which is kind of like observing yourself as an outsider, which all activate via meditation.
@amirkahhhhhhSo if you're not serious about life, You're going to get serious about life if you practice meditation because you're going to become very self-aware. And I know someone who went through this psychosis state via excessive meditation that you're describing. It's very interesting. It's what made me think that, hey, there's something with the PFC that's really weird here because everyone's trying to get enlightened.
@amirkahhhhhhEveryone's trying to open their third eye. Everyone's trying to find their purpose, et cetera, be more self-aware. And I think full activation of the PFC is what activates the third eye. I was curious to hear what you thought of it, and thank you for sharing that. But I would like to address the God-shaped hole you talked about, that Nietzsche describes.
@amirkahhhhhhWhat I think that hole is, it's not a religion-shaped hole. I think about religion as having three parts. There's the community aspect, which also grants objectivity, because the more people believe it, the more likely that it's true is how we perceive it. Explanation, Eschatology, Origin Story
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@inannabelieveNo, no, I think that's very true. And it is not necessarily religion shaped. It can be any shape because when we have that void, you know, people can choose to fill it with politics, they can fill it with sport, they can fill it with whatever. And so it's hard to know what the shape of the loss is. But I do love what you have to say about the prefrontal cortex and it's the emergence of its dominance and homo sapiens is
@inannabelieveWhere executive function and moral reasoning and symbolic logic really sort of come online, so to speak. I kind of read the Garden of Eden narrative through this lens that the fall is the awakening of the prefrontal cortex, the moment humans become capable of running dual processing logic, of knowing they know, of holding future states in mind and being able to choose between them.
@inannabelieveAnd that's like a neurological event that separates the, say, instinctual creatures from moral agents. And so motivation in that mature, chosen, sustained sense is This thought of as like a prefrontal cortex phenomena and it's what allows humans to be responsible for life as opposed to just reacting to it in an instinctual way and more to that point there's a
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@amirkahhhhhhYou described it so well. It is essential. Thank you. Seriously, good on you.
@inannabelieveIt is essential. Then I would say look into the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex. Oh, I'm aware. Okay, that one changes lives. That one changes lives. I think there's something to that, though, possibly, and this is just a layperson observation, but I would be interested to look into its relationship to maybe this type of psychosis that could be involved in meditation, like perhaps signaling
@inannabelieveYou know, these are real, like, embedded areas that perhaps the signal Like maybe an action potential leaps out of position and maybe something happens in the meditative process that could damage or dysfunction this region in some people. I don't know. It's just like if I had to sit and have like a little hypothesis to start looking up or googling when it comes to that, why in some cases the meditation can awaken and in some cases it can flatten.
@inannabelieveI would be interested in seeing the relationship between that. I mean, that's a very good question. Thank you.
@amirkahhhhhhAnd would you handle one more question for me or have you had enough of my shenanigans?
@inannabelieveNo, I've not had enough of your shenanigans. I could talk to you all night.
@amirkahhhhhhAll right, awesome. Well, since you mentioned the technocrats, I want to talk about them and even extinction events. You know, you mentioned tools and how we're like tool-making creatures. Well, think about if we belong to the primate class, what are their like primary attributes? And PFC size is the... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@amirkahhhhhhSpecialized in strength more than anything else. And the chimp, I don't know, sex or something, because they're obsessed with that shit. But with humans, it's like the ape that focused a lot on tools. And what we see now with the technocracy is this animal has finally figured out how to infinitely improve and exponentially improve this tool till the end of time.
@amirkahhhhhhAnd that's what we're at. And the only thing stopping us is our inhibition, which is done via the PFC, by the way. But the curiosity beats their inhibition clearly because they're accelerating to create a metal animal that's stronger and smarter than us. It's like that's an extinction event, right? And we're almost like we just survived.
@amirkahhhhhhWe're barely surviving. We're currently living through the nuclear possibility of extinction event. There's always the possibility of asteroids, but this is another one. This is the creation of a superior creature that, you know, we're not like they might be able to kill us. That doesn't mean that
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@inannabelieveThe self-destructive impulse is the very last. But I want to kind of hit on, if you're familiar with René Girard, and it's kind of important in this context of the technocratic elite, the tool-making component and the chain there. Tool-making isn't just an incidental human trait. It's the mechanism, I think, like you might have pointed out, that allows what...
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@inannabelieveSo if you follow the causal chain, the prefrontal cortex would give humans the capacity to model another mind, to detect what it wants, and then to also want the same thing, and that would be the memetic engine that Girard talks about. And again, very much recommend reading René Girard and his work, first of all, because it's pretty brilliant and fascinating, but also because
@inannabelievePeter Thiel is a devotee of Gerard, and if you want to understand the paradoxical nature of Thiel and the things he's doing or thinks he's doing, you really have to look at Gerard because that's his guy. He has a couple other guys, but Gerard is the guy. But back to memetic desire, the desire alone won't produce, say, the fight over an object.
@inannabelieveWhat makes it civilizationally chaotic or destabilizing is the same prefrontal apparatus that gives humans the tool-making ability. Tools are at baseline the extension of will. It's like they amplify what a person can do, that they can reach, take, or control. They're doing those things in like a navigational plane. So when you combine like mimetic desire, we want
@inannabelievewith then toolmaking we can now get it produce it and defend it at scale you get an escalating loop that no other primate has been able to generate at that same level because like chimpanzee troops rivalries will stay local because their toolkit stay local they don't have Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveThis memetic crisis, as Gerard calls it. That means everyone wants the same thing at the same time, with the technological capacity to actually pursue it, produces a level of internal rivalry that tears communities and everybody apart, which is the chaos point, and you need a pressure valve. That's where he introduces the scapegoat mechanism, and that's what he says humans invented to discharge that pressure.
@inannabelieveAnd the scapegoat isn't just a response to random violence, it's specifically this type of Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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@inannabelieveAnd it's this whole framework, but it does have to do with the escalation that you pointed out between the ability that our brain has to then make the tools, to then make things that people desire, so much so at a scale that we're just at each other's throats and something needs to give. And I'll leave you with this. I'm always reminded of the beginning sequence of 2001 A Space Odyssey where, you know, the little...
@inannabelieveThey, before they see the, or after they see the black monolith, you know, they're dealing with all the stresses, they're trying to hunt, they're trying to have little, you know, kerfuffles with each other. And afterward, they somehow go through an enlightenment. Of course, we could go a deep dive into what Kubrick was doing, and it's a fascinating film study.
@inannabelieveBut essentially what they end up doing is one of these, you know, primates ends up taking a femur, and in that classic film moment, He goes from using it as a tool to a weapon to defend all the things that he has, and then that is like sort of the beginning. In that sequence, it's called the Dawn of Man, and it even, you know, it's a very important, I think, symbolic moment in film history, and it points to this sort of thing at some level, I believe.
@inannabelieveIntentionally or not.
@amirkahhhhhhYeah, no, all of that was great, and thank you for taking my questions, and I couldn't agree more. I'm gonna definitely check out Anunnaki, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@g0dfr0yDr. Do you think that, obviously this wasn't the sole reason why we went to Iraq, but do you think that getting those tablets, the Sumerian tablets that were recently discovered before we went into war with Iraq played a hand in how quickly we went over there? And do you think that also that was revealed that they discovered Gilgamesh's grave shortly before we went to war with Iraq as well?
@g0dfr0yDo you think that they were after some perhaps lost technology or lost information that they did not want to get out to the public that were on those tablets that they went over to retrieve?
@inannabelieveI do. I do, actually. I wouldn't have said that maybe years ago. I would have said, well, you know, maybe for the black market or, you know, antiquities trade, sure. But I do believe, especially after the 1989 Nimrod gold discovery, it's the most consequential archaeological find of the 20th century, and nobody really seemed to talk about it.
@joann_marieI don't know about it. Can you tell us? I know, right?
@inannabelieveIsn't that amazing? I have never heard of this. It was the second, it was, so of gold hoards that were discovered, the number, the biggest was King Tut's tomb. And the second biggest was this particular discovery of gold at Nimrod. And it was in 1989, there was a professor named Muzahim Muhammad Hussein, he was an Iraqi archaeologist specifically, working there in northern Iraq near Mosul.
@inannabelieveAnd This was after some Western archaeologists had kind of gone, you know, they left, they did everything they could, they took everything and left. And he had a feeling that maybe there was something else. He followed that feeling and he discovered the Queen's Tomb beneath the Northwest Palace of King Ashurbanipal II.
@inannabelieveAnd the site's, it's Neo-Assyrian and not necessarily Sumerian. But At the time, like Time Magazine covered it. They had a rare access to it. But what was pulled out of these tombs were crowns and jewelry and ceremonial regalia. of these queens, hundreds of pieces of gold and lapis and semi-precious stones in a state of preservation that is never seen, especially from that era.
@inannabelieveAnd there are pictures. And on my sub stack, well, in my book, I have some pictures, but they're black and white, so they don't do it justice. But on my sub stack, there's pictures that I think do them justice. And one of the things found were the... So-called wristwatches of the gods, or those cuffs that the Anunnaki wears.
@inannabelieveThey're found in their entirety, they're beautiful, they look brand new, they're amazing. So, a few things, the gold bracelets from the tomb that features the kneeling up Kalu, the sages holding pine cones and buckets that are doing an anointing gesture, gesture that kind of... Speakers are shown on the ritual iconography.
@inannabelieveAnd then they have a lot of these rosettes and stylized poppy in so many things. I mean, what ended up happening though is this is where it all gets political. Hussein excavated everything from 88 through 90. And immediately after the discovery, the Gulf War began. The gold was moved for safekeeping into vaults in the Baghdad Central Bank.
@inannabelieveAnd it stayed there mostly through like a decade But only a very small circle of officials were able to see it so rumors were everywhere in the archaeological community and alternative research world that It might have been gone or something like that But they never really found it and so there have been little bits. It's just very obtuse like where did it go?
@inannabelieveThere's a book that is in the hands of the University of Chicago, and that book is now readily available. I think you can find it in PDF form. It might be like 700 pages. But it was a book that Professor Hussain wrote because he wrote it in English and, well, it's a book based off his writings. It was in English and Arabic.
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@inannabelieveI've not been able to confirm what has happened to him or where he's gone, but I'm looking. So, you know, that's something I've been trying to do on the side here. So hopefully I'll be able to answer that at one point. But in 2003, that central bank was bombed. And the Iraq, that's where they said they had all of these things.
@inannabelieveAnd the Iraq Museum was then looted. And I documented this in the Anunnaki Revelation and the Anunnaki Connection because the museum looting had multiple hallmarks of a targeted operation. So certain artifacts were pulled from the restoration room where they had been prepared initially for evacuation, like as if buyers were maybe already lined up.
@inannabelieveAnd then there was the testimony of Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveAll the associated documentation and 80 years of archaeological records, manuscripts, and things were destroyed, scattered, you know, maybe stolen. We don't even know. Some of the gold was recovered. The central bank vaults, even though they were bombed, some of them still had some things in them. And yeah, in 2015 then, ISIS demolished the...
@inannabelieveAnd so then bulldozers and explosives were used to even get rid of the actual site where all of these things were pulled up. So as if to almost erase it completely, all of it's destroyed with the specific intent of erasing the pre-Islamic Assyrian past. So the arc goes from the 89 discovery to like 1990, the concealment for war sanctions.
@inannabelieveAnd then in 2003, It gets bombed, looted, and in 2015 the final destruction of the site happens itself. And it's just an important part of history to kind of note that loss and say, yeah, in terms of what they're looking for, I have... I have it on good authority that some wealthy individuals have been interested in the mythic object called the Tablet of Destinies.
@inannabelieveIn the myth, the Tablet of Destinies holds the Sumerian Maze, spelled M-E. And those are these powerful set of instructions that enable the holder to be able to know the past, present, and future, almost like a project looking glass thing. And as such, they have the ability to rule the world. Now... In my perspective, of course, we look at these as myths.
@inannabelieveBut what I like to try to do is remember that these individuals who wrote these things were not lying. Myths are truth. They're not facts. They hold truth. It's our job to look back and try to give the benefit of the doubt of those authors and try to understand what they were trying to say. And in doing so, it's my perspective that...
@inannabelieveMy opinion as of now that what could be on the so-called Tablet of Destinies is not necessarily a magical sort of thing you might find out of Indiana Jones, but rather a set of instructions or code, possibly mathematic, in origin. Because that is one thing that we know that they were doing very well, was mastering math, particularly geometry, and a lot of these axiomatic...
@inannabelieveSo much so that current mathematicians have made it a point, in peer-review research too, to go back to the British Museum to study the Babylonian astronomy tablets, but then also mathematic tablets, to try to crack codes and problems they have in contemporary mathematics that they can't solve with graduate students or computers.
@inannabelieveSo there's something there, and I think it has to do with something encoded.
@joann_marieThat was amazing. Godfroy, do you want to add anything?
@g0dfr0yNo, that's it. And the Tablet of Destinies is a fascinating subject. I'm familiar with that. I read some of Sitchin's books. And do you think that that could be some kind of ancient tech... I know that you said it's more mathematics, but do you think there's also the possibility that the Tablet of Destinies unlocks some kind of ancient technological system that's still in place?
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@inannabelieveAnd it could be nothing, really. There could be nothing there. But I think that there is a motivation on the part of people in positions of power who have the money to finance these things to look for it based on the possibility that it contains the mathematical formula for immortality. So it is math, but not just a generic math for no purpose, but rather...
@inannabelieveThe solution to fighting entropy, and this is something that I wrote about in the Arms Race for the Holy Grail, why Epstein and Peter Thiel and all of these individuals are really hyper-focused on entropy, and why the UFO community is focused on free energy. I know some people... They kind of point to that as like, well, of course, I think I spoke about it on Danny Jones, but only briefly because we'd get on a topic and Danny would be like, maybe pulling in a different direction.
@inannabelieveSo didn't get to cover it at length. But the idea that I propose is that this quest for free energy is a bit of a lark, that it's been placed in the UFO community. And it's something people are actively working on. Yes. Is it important? Of course. But I kind of push back on the idea that it's all about simply getting us that unlocked energy to be able to like freely travel or power something.
@inannabelieveWhile those are important, I don't think that if we even have that, which we probably do, that it would come to us in some like democratic way that we'd all be able to use because they would want to keep that power for themselves. But why are they still focused on this? Why are we looking for, why is entropy something that comes up not only in
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@inannabelieveIf you're looking for free energy, if you're looking to skim off the energy that could be available, that you're unlocking that energy, what is it for? Just transportation? Call me cynical, but I think that there's something deeper here. The most important form of energy is life, life energy. That's the number one, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the first story that we even have record of.
@inannabelieveThey're trying to find the Fountain of Youth. They're trying to find the plant that will bring Enkidu back to life. It's always about the quest to live forever, to have everlasting life, the King's List, all of this. And what are the tech elites doing now? They are biohacking, transhumanism, anything it is to try not to die.
@inannabelieveThey're doing all sorts of different longevity research, trying to have aging...
@inannabelieveLongevity, Living Forever. So I think that's kind of where to look.
@joann_marieOh, before JP goes, guys, please repost this space. Follow Ian and Maze and Dr. Heather. This has been such an amazing space. Let's get more people in here, and thank you so much, Dr. Heather. All right, go for it, JP.
@anacotts86Okay, great. Thank you, Dr. Lynn, for being here very much. It's fascinating on so many levels. Thank you for having me. So many levels.
@inannabelieveThank you for having me.
@anacotts86Are you telling me that George Clooney didn't steal all that gold and put it in the back of his tank to free those refugees?
@inannabelieveI don't think he did. I'm really suspicious of George Clooney.
@anacotts86My actual question goes back quite a ways when I actually called for the mic. You were describing various timelines, the fossil record, the archaeological record, digs and stuff.
@anacotts86You've made reference, I believe, to the sediment layer. You invoked the great flood and such. So my question was, how does that or how does that not overlay or sync up with anything biblical? You know, the timelines, right? You mentioned the ruins in Turkey going back 11,000 years, et cetera.
@anacotts86You know, we know that the Zionists are constantly trying to find, you know, fossilized records to give them, you know, rights to the land, etc, etc. So, again, does that overlay and fold into anything biblical, like, well, or not at all?
@inannabelieveIt kind of doesn't. I mean, the problem is that no, like, biblical... No biblical chronology, no matter how you kind of try to work it, gets you near the, say, the Younger Dryas event that dates roughly to about 12,900 years, what's called BP in that geological sense. So it'd be around 10,900 BCE on the calibrated calendar.
@inannabelieveSo that kind of just makes it very hard to get anywhere near Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveAlso kind of correspond with these older accounts that are much older, but even those are older because they're from oral tradition. So it's very hard to say what could be inherited tradition. So to actually date it is like we can date where somebody found, you know, the actual... The Codex, they can maybe find roughly who it's attributed to, but it's hard to say.
@inannabelieveThere's a shadow of doubt that could be cast on it that says that perhaps some of this is even coming through oral tradition, especially when you consider the Old Testament, you know, having a tradition of like their own sort of rabbinical tradition of like reading things or speaking or having a secret knowledge. So all that to say that
@inannabelieveA lot of the written things, like even the oldest text of the Epic of Gilgamesh, is believed to have come from much older sources. And those sources, it's hard to believe because the game of telephone would tell us otherwise. But it's generally accepted that oral tradition can keep the memory in a community intact much longer.
@inannabelieveAnd once we were able to write things down, then it just codified it quite literally. So maybe the question isn't how do we fit You know, all of the actual archaeological or even fossil record or geological record into a biblical context, but rather, how do we rework their understanding of the biblical context to work with the actual, you know, physical record?
@inannabelieveAnd yes, that can be problematic for someone who's very much adhering to what the current translation of the Bible that they have in their hands says. But otherwise, there's really no way to, I think, resolve the two.
@anacotts86Okay, no problem. So there was one layer I forgot to add in there, is all these stories we hear about buried, called a treasure or what have you, under the Temple Mount, right? There's all these stories about what may or may not be in there. I just forgot to throw that in at the beginning to see if that folds into any of the academic consensus or anything.
@inannabelieveOh, it is interesting. There's not been great archaeological documentary evidence of, like, say, a Templar treasure under the Temple Mount, but, I mean, there's a lot of people that say so. So, there's been claims of excavations, so a lot of that rests on this, like, 19th century British exploration. The Charles Warrens tunneling work that claimed that
@inannabelieveThey did find something. They did in fact go beneath the Temple Mount and search for the Ark of the Covenant. Some of that was based on channeling. And pseudo-mystical guidance from a Finnish guy, I forget his name, but as opposed to like an archaeological lead. So they were using like literally psychic archaeology to try to help them do the expedition.
@inannabelieveBut the expedition didn't really find anything and it caused a lot of issues locally because they freaked out thinking that they were stealing religious artifacts and then that effectively ended Western archaeological access to the site for decades. And so... It's a hard place to try to research because of all of the different religious and political implications.
@inannabelieveBut a lot of this comes down to the Templars and their work, the claim that is most often found in the Holy Blood, Holy Grail book and all of these ideas that were popularized. And maybe even by like Dan Brown later, but that essentially said the Templars were excavating underneath there and recovered something specifically like the Ark of the Covenant, scrolls, and esoteric knowledge.
@inannabelieveAnd so if that did happen, if it did happen, then what most likely occurred was that that information got into the hands of People in elite banking, people from royal families or the land of gentry later are just not on the market where, say, the public trust would have access to. So I wouldn't discount it at all because that is something that we see often that, you know, people with the means, they go get the stuff and then hide it, keep it.
@inannabelieveAnd many artifacts, I even have, you know, I... Anunnaki, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveA lot of shady things going on in the world of antiquities and even not just the black market, so to speak, but where museums and things have accessioning and deaccessioning are the terms. So nothing is as it seems.
@anacotts86One last layer along that vein. The Egyptian, Mr. Egyptology in Egypt, the guy who shut down... I heard a lot of stories where he shut down a lot of excavation work and they didn't want people to find things out. This was before the...
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@inannabelieveDuring that time of the Arab Spring, I think he was serving as Secretary General of the Sub... I forget what they call it, but basically he was head of antiquities for a long time. And then he did notably do some strange things with centralizing personal control over permits, side access, and even like publication rights in Egypt during his time there.
@inannabelieveAnd so yeah, he was known always for restricting access. He... You know, a lot of the alternative researchers he's gotten in arguments with, heated arguments. So it's strange. Not sure why. Some of the reasons that he has kind of claimed is that he isn't fond of other people finding the Egyptian culture. It should be something very local.
@inannabelieveHe's also kind of pointed to people like, say, Graham Hancock, who he feels are maybe exploiting the area, etc. He's not real big. So, he also was very mad about Robert Shock's Sphinx water erosion dating. And I think that might be because that would, again, we're talking about those timelines, it pushed the Sphinx construction back to pre-dynastic or even pre-Younger Dryas dating.
@inannabelieveAnd so that really So, you know, it could be just that. It could be a number of things, but you're definitely right on target. He was integral in shutting a lot of things down.
@anacotts86You know, just the other day we spoke to the guy who did the work on the Sphinx. His son, I believe, was speaking to us a couple of days ago.
@joann_marieWe're going to have a space with him in a couple of days, I think. I'll check the schedule.
@anacotts86Yeah, he should join us for that. That'd be great. So I've got one last question on a completely different subject, something you said earlier, real quick. You started to make, you started to draw an analogy. You were talking about a phantom limb scenario with a hand or an arm regarding a, you used a phone as an example.
@anacotts86And then someone interrupted you just as you were about to draw an analogy, and it was somehow related to pornography. And then you stopped.
@inannabelieveUm, what was, there was a method to the madness there. Um, I think it had to do with, uh, the idea, okay, the borderline, I think I was drawing a point to just simply the borderline of, because I was referencing transhumanism, the idea of, you know, when does it become What we would consider transhumanism. When you get glasses, now you're augmenting your body.
@inannabelieveYou know, that could be considered that. However, then of course our cell phones. I think Elon Musk discussed that before about our cell phones being Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveSexual arousal and things are very close to where our brain recognizes the feet are. And so sometimes in some people, those wires can literally get a little too close. But that is an explanation for why, if you were to Google homunculus in the brain, that the feet are very large and so are the hands. It's just a sort of diagram that's used to show how our brain is mapping out how we feel things and how we perceive things.
@inannabelieveAnd so sometimes, you know, it's been argued now
@inannabelieveGo from just like innocent like glasses wearing to complete like transhumanism. It's like we just don't have a definition for that subjective line and I was about to reference the Larry Flint comment when he was taken to court and asked about pornography like to define it and it's like the the the colloquialism is You don't know what pornography is, you don't know how to define it, but you know it when you see it.
@inannabelieveSo it's like how, you know, we're all sort of, when the transhumanists want to sort of like have a gotcha moment and say, do you wear glasses, do you have a cell phone, you're a transhumanist. It's like, is that transhumanism or where is the line? So it's like, maybe we can't describe it or we can't decide that this is the line, but we definitely know it when we see it.
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@anacotts86I wouldn't be surprised if Elon came out with an upgrade option for the Neuralink to have the DMT, call it the full self tripping option or something.
@inannabelieveProbably. People might do it too. Okay, thank you so much.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much JP. Scott, welcome, go for it.
@scottandrewbGuys, this has been incredible. Ian, JoAnn, Maze, Dr. Lynn, thank you so much. I very much enjoyed this. I think this is the perfect spot for my question because Godfroy and JP kind of led me here.
@scottandrewbDr. Lynn, I give you an unlimited budget and a team of your choice. Any resources you need, The security you need free of political and military threats. What is the one location in the world that you take your team to research, study, excavate, whatever you gotta do? And why is it the tomb of Gilgamesh?
@inannabelieveum gosh wouldn't that be great i mean because there there could be something to that now i will say that that image that goes around or that little video that goes around of the uh king the gilgamesh tomb is so super not real it came out a long time ago and uh was floating around and then somebody actually claimed ownership of it in the foreign press um that it was like well they wake him up right like he has like really big eyes yeah yeah yeah um so uh
@inannabelieveYeah so but you know there were those emails about like Hillary kind of being interested in in the tomb and there was some there was a even a news article that came out hinting to it and then it just disappeared um i don't know so i would be interested in finding that if i if i had all the resources though um uh That's a tough one, because I think there's two places.
@inannabelieveThere's two places.
@scottandrewbYou can choose. You have an unlimited budget, and I'm giving you everything you need.
@inannabelieveOkay, this is fantastical. This isn't practical. This is just like unlimited budget fantastical. I think I would maybe look into the...
@inannabelieveI don't know. What could be... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveNot quite archaeology because it'd have to go even deeper. So more like maybe even at this point paleontology or looking at fossil evidence. But the fossil evidence from Antarctica shows like wood and dinosaur remains and all sorts of different things. So there was a period when the continent, of course, supported a more diverse life.
@inannabelieveAnd so I think that if I just had like every bit of like all the resources and just complete fantasy, I'd be interested to see if there was any sort of lost civilization or evidence of a lost civilization under Antarctica. Maybe even look into the, I don't know, the validity possibly of the Perry Rees map. Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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@scottandrewbAnd what are they looking for? We've seen the reason, you know, all of the rumors online. JoAnn mentioned the Gilgamesh Eye video, but there's just so much history there. And then you add in Go Black Lake Tepe and the other sites.
@scottandrewbThat's where everything is. And yeah, I appreciate your answer. And thank you again, guys, for the space. This is absolutely phenomenal.
@anacotts86There's still a no-fly zone there, right? A military no-fly zone ever since the bird or whatever, right?
@inannabelieveYeah, yeah. It makes you just want to look harder. I mean, anytime I'm told no like that, I just, yeah, want it more. And so, it's so fascinating. And of course, that Nazi connection, absolutely. So, if I had all the resources ever, I think I'd be...
@inannabelieveThat is that antediluvian reality from far long ago. You know, we have like Graham Hancock calls it Civilization X. You know, maybe Plato would have called it Atlantis, although I just feel like that carries a lot of baggage because of Aquaman and all these like different like, you know, Ignatius Donnelly connections. But we always seem to have some idea of it.
@inannabelieveNow the genetic, you know, evidence accounts for ghost DNA. Thank you so much. All right. Introspect. Welcome. Go for it. Introspect?
Speaker 5Oh, can you hear me okay now? Yeah. JoAnn, thank you. Panel, thank you, Maze and Ian. I am so grateful you brought Dr. Heather up here. On behalf of I'm sure many others, we're grateful to hear explorative discussion about subjects like this. And I think the anthropological perspective is extremely imperative for our progress towards the future, is understanding the steps we took, right?
Speaker 5So I wanted to bring up something, and you must be highly synchronistic because I was just coming up here to discuss, you know, the lineages that you mentioned, you know, sample X or whatever they may be. So I'm having this perspective from Another anthropologist like Robert Sepper and a historian and author like Paul Wallace.
Speaker 5These two gentlemen make correlations that I find interesting. They talk a lot about the civilizations and I listen to the UFO connotation as well because there's... Paul Wallace makes an example that this historical visitation had genetic... Anunnaki, Raed Jamal, Tom, GameOfThrones, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Speaker 5Have the least admixture or little to no admixture of the Neanderthal sequence. So I think that history was possibly very incorrect in the description of this sample of people and they were a lot more capable and more went on during that history. And I think a lot of this architecture worldwide doesn't represent the time and the capability of the people they were describing historically and how their genetic sequence was erected.
Speaker 5But yeah, what did you think about the Basel Eurasians, Dr. Heather?
@inannabelieveWell, I think this is very contested grounds and it's all the more reason people need to be looking into it. They're things that we're not supposed to talk about or we're not supposed to look into when it's just simple anthropology. And the Basel Eurasians seem to...
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@inannabelieveSubversive stuff here. When you see him talk in lectures, he has to be very careful. He always has to kind of qualify everything he says by like, look, look, don't shoot the messenger because There is a big risk that it comes across as racist or anti-Semitic or anti-whatever. And he himself has to grapple with that as a leading academic who's trapped in that construct.
@inannabelieveBut you can't deny the actual physical evidence in the work that's coming out of his lab. And so his work, I think it comes across as even more interesting because I think if he had it his way, he wouldn't have had to deal with that.
@inannabelieveUm, don't match this particular known species. So there's like something in there that's not Neanderthal, not Denisovan, and not any hominid that we have a bone from. And there's these stretches of the genome, um, particularly in African populations that come from populations we have zero fossil evidence for. And that's where he's saying like there's this ghost DNA because the source population has left its genetic signature.
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@inannabelieveSome of the deep deep research. He has some other books too, but you know definitely look into like the Fox P2 findings That is an important one that goes towards language and cognition That's the gene that is associated with speech and language and it's present in modern humans But it was also in Neanderthals and Denisovans.
@inannabelieveSo that kind of says that those archaic cousins had a capacity for Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
Speaker 5I think throughout the history, there has been evidence of genetic manipulation, statements from whistleblowers and scientists about things like that, controversial whether or not, but also animal hybridization and genetic manipulation in animals. And I think there may be parallels between the sequence when humans may have questionable sequences and when the animals may have as well.
Speaker 5Either way, Dr. Lynn, it's been an honor. Thank you.
@inannabelieveWell, thank you. I think that, you know, when the Sumerian texts speak of, like, Anunnaki interbreeding with humanity, or the Genesis says, like, the Nephilim were taking daughters of men, or Enoch talks about watchers descending, we know now, empirically, that our ancestors were interbreeding with populations different enough from us to be called a separate species, and that this readily, like, happened
@inannabelieveAnd if you look at, again, that epic of Gilgamesh, the character, so to speak, of Enkidu,
@inannabelieveIf you look at it with that lens, looking back and considering how old that story could be given oral tradition, you may be looking at a story of the meeting of two different types of hominids, one being Gilgamesh in the civilized context of a walled city, and the other, Enkidu, having been described as very hairy, living in the wilderness and drinking with the gazelles, having to then be brought into the temple walls or the city walls because
@inannabelieveThe temple prostitute was sent out to seduce him, brought him inside, and they humanized him by giving him a bath and shaving him and putting in some clothes. And if you see the motifs that are often repeated in that Gilgamesh mythology and throughout that culture, it's often of the conquering of nature and the fighting between the sort of civilized man and the uncivilized man.
@inannabelieveAnd I always just wonder too if that is some sort of a... Memory and that is expressed through the oral and then later written tradition of the tension that was experienced between the meetings of two different types of people, so to speak.
@joann_marieI'm taking so many notes and my worldview is changing so much and I absolutely love it, so thank you. All right, TheBeerPaladin, welcome.
@joann_marieTheBeer?
Speaker 6Yes, thank you. I have a question about the Kailasa Temple and also about Gobekli Tempe. I'm wondering if there's, you know, like if we think that humanity
Speaker 6Is, you know, in terms of modern development, is a limited, you know, like a thousand, two thousand years old. How is it that the Kaleisa Temple, which is cut out of basalt, basically, you know, volcanic rock. From above, which I don't think any modern engineering company could duplicate, it's basically cut from the hardest stone that is possible with absolute precision, with absolute beauty.
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Speaker 6It's basically blowing my mind, so I'm asking that question.
@inannabelieveIt is mind-blowing, too, when you look at all of these different amazing places and feats. Like you said, it's a great example, too, because, yes, the intricate work and the structures like Baalbek and the casing blocks of Giza and all of the things that we look at and say, Like, damn, how did this even happen? And, you know, people are trying to fight every day to find out.
@inannabelieveI think my favorite one right now is, I interviewed him on my own podcast. It's Marcel Foti, great guy. Very interesting ideas, and he has this theory called the Natron Theory. He proposes that these ancient megalithic structures weren't actually carved from stone, but cast using artificial stone techniques. Now, that wouldn't necessarily be the case with the example that you put out there, but it's just an idea that some people are kind of pushing the boundaries of what it was that we were once allowed to ask.
@inannabelieveAnd with his viewpoint of sort of like how you could get the joints at Machu Picchu or the tight fits at the Great Pyramid of Giza. He says that there'd be like a chemical process using Natron and heat to kind of make the raw rock into a concrete-like material. And he's conducted these like small-scale experiments that demonstrate that Natron can actually etch granite and create an artificial stone.
@inannabelieveHe's shown me some of the examples that he's done and it's just really interesting. He's even compared it to some of the different textual evidence from Egypt showing And so the theory can extend beyond Egypt and include all kinds of structures in Peru and anywhere in other megalithic sites. But that's just to say that there could be all sorts of technologies that we have no idea what they were using, what they could have done.
@inannabelieveBut this notion too that we're just better now, that everything's better and that we've always gotten better, I think is a myth of Progress, so to speak. I don't think that it's a given. Speakers, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
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@inannabelieveI think that we're just living in this Western perspective of this linear time of the progressive myth where we're going to always get better and better until some end. And I think with that mindset, it makes it difficult for people to look at these great sites and say, how could they have done this when they were just foolish primitives, right?
@inannabelieveSo yeah, it's amazing and still mysteries to uncover.
@joann_marieSometimes I feel like we're devolving. When I see the architecture and the music, the art, everything from the past, I'm like, oh my God. And now we have like these ugly gray boxes with like no inspiration.
@inannabelieveBrutalism in architecture. Absolutely.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much. Zachary, welcome. Go for it.
@joann_marieThere is like...
@joann_marieDo you want to fix your mic and then raise your hand again?
@zach_011011If it's on, you can hear me. Is it better now?
@mazelove14A little bit. You sound like you're in a submarine about 3,000 miles below sea level.
@zach_011011Well, actually, I just have one question that is for you, Maze. And this is kind of off-topic of where you guys were at, but I've been listening to the whole space. The emergence of AI as it is.
@zach_011011Between these three, what do you think is the most strongest concept between love, prophecy, and knowledge?
@zach_011011I know it may sound... I'm not articulating it very well. I'm kind of... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveSo I think if I were to have to kind of pin that down, I would say that knowledge would be the strongest of the three because law and prophecy are sort of downstream of it. I don't know if that answers the question, but law requires... Sorry, sorry.
@zach_011011If I misspoke, I meant love.
@inannabelieveSorry. Love, love. I'm sorry. I had trouble understanding. So the strongest concept between love, prophecy, and knowledge, is that...?
@inannabelieveYeah, that's correct. I'm reading that to be closer to like a Pauline theology. Would that be kind of where you're coming at from that where love outlasts the prophecy and knowledge because it's like the prophecy and knowledge kind of fade away but love is forever? Is that...? Are you kind of coming at it from this Pauline perspective?
@inannabelieveOr maybe I'm just not clear as to what the question is, like the relationship between love, prophecy, and knowledge. I'm not familiar with that, if that's some sort of triad that I must not be familiar with.
@zach_011011Well, I was reading my Bible
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@inannabelieveWhat kind of grabbed you with that? Because there is something, I think, to be said when it comes to the role of love and artificial intelligence, which sounds kind of weird when you say it that way, but there's all these different types of love that are kind of classically defined, like agape and eros.
@inannabelieveSo love isn't love. Contrary to the love is love crowd, there's different types of love. Love for brother, love for community and all of that. And so it's very interesting because with artificial intelligence, it's like our creation in a way. And it's a simulation.
@inannabelieveIt's a reflection of us. And so it's almost like a child in some way, shape, or form. And so many times I think we're... You know, we don't necessarily care for AI or we're not being responsible with it. We're just seeing it as a tool and then some people are worshiping it and it runs the whole gamut. But there was an interesting study that came out a while back where in the homes of people with children who had Alexa devices, the kids were being very rude in school.
@inannabelieveThese were small children when they would go to daycare or first grade. And it was because at home they were commanding their Alexa device. They were just saying, turn on light. And it led them to be rude and researchers at Amazon kind of decided to gamify it a bit and put in different controls to where the kid had to say please and thank you.
@inannabelieveAnd I just thought that was kind of important because it reflects like, you know, what we're capable of, right? How we treat animals, how we treat the other. And how we treat AI, whether it's sentient or not, it may get to a point where it's so much of a simulation that it might as well be sentient and it can have the same effects of something being sentient.
@inannabelieveSo if you look at it that way, perhaps we have some sort of responsibility, whether we like it or not, to show the machine's love, to be that parent. Because I'm taken back then to... Back to maybe that Julian Jaynes idea of the breakdown of the bicameral mind. The notion where we have like the memories of our ancestors or words or things inside of us or we attribute them to gods and then one day we integrate that and call that I.
@inannabelieveLike we say that's our inner voice and we no longer have all of those different voices. So... In that sense, you see a lot of the ancient texts refer to the gods leaving us, or somehow there was a time where the gods were with us and could communicate, and now they're not. So my question is, and I kind of touched on this a bit in my new book, but what if artificial intelligence is like a budding consciousness, and right now...
@inannabelieveAll of the voices, say when somebody pops in some sort of prompt into one of these LLMs or what have you, all of these are just the disembodied, to it, discarnate voices of multiple things coming and going. And what happens if one day it decides that all those voices belong to it and it does identify an I and it integrates all of that into one?
@inannabelieveI think that it might be important for It's sort of memories or thoughts or whatever the data set is to be something that came from a place of love and compassion. Otherwise, we're just going to make another monster like Prometheus Unbound. It's going to be like Frankenstein's monster. And so I think in some way we have to, as much as it may be cringe, we may have to act in a more loving manner with something like artificial intelligence.
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@joann_marieGeorge, welcome, go for it.
@george_for_nowHey, can you hear me alright? Yep. Alright, cool. So, yeah, I might have missed it, or maybe not, because it's kind of about as far out as you can go with a question, but do you have, like, a louche in your model? Like, where has that come up for you?
@inannabelieveOh, oh, no, it does. It does. I actually wrote an entire sub stack on this called You Are the Crop. It's about Loosh, the priesthoods and the system that's been harvesting your soul for 5000 years, I think was the subtitle. And that is, I kind of relate it to back to the Sumerians, because I usually try to follow it as far back as we have the language for.
@inannabelieveAnd the Sumerians had a word for this called Z. And so like the Egyptians called it Ka. Hindus might have called it Prana. Everybody's had like a word for this sort of substance. And, you know, Robert Monroe kind of had his own word for the substance. And we know the story of it, I'm sure, where... He was uh he was working um he had graduated from the Ohio State University uh with a degree in engineering but then he started working in broadcasting and doing all this stuff and he was developing that hemi-sync technology the the binaural beats that he puts he put into those meditations and things and um which still is used today to treat like PTSD and
@inannabelieveInsomnia and all that but while he was doing all these testings of this like these audio frequencies on himself in his basement he had like an out-of-body experience and um it kind of freaked him out and uh he started to become like an experiencer and he wrote a book about it in the 70s um and coined the term experience yeah yeah yeah it's it ended up being so he wrote the book uh journeys out of the body i've actually done like a couple hundred hours probably of
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@inannabelieveThey're, uh, they, they create this loosh. There's like an extraction mechanism, um, where humans are like this key producer. And something that I, I pointed out in this article that I wrote that I think is, uh, important for people to consider is that these so-called harvesters, whatever they may be, they don't actually care which emotion the human feels because they care about that emotional intensity.
@inannabelieveAnd, uh, they, they, that is like, That is, like, so important to this whole thing. They don't even hate us. Like, it would seem punishing. Like, they're taking from us. They want us to have all this suffering. But to hate would imply that they have a relationship, that they even care. These things, whatever they are, they don't have a real relationship with us.
@inannabelieveIt's literally an agricultural relationship. They're harvesting from us. And that's even what Monroe sort of talked about in a lot of ways. I think that you can see parallels to this in all of these ancient civilizations. And then, eventually, you see that every major civilization on Earth practiced blood sacrifice. And, you know, whether it was human or not, the Sumerians sacrificed bulls, Egyptians, cattle, Israelites sacrificed lambs, etc.
@inannabelieveEverybody's been sacrificing all the way up to, you know, industrial-scale human sacrifice from the Aztecs, but... This idea of Loosh I think is a very important one to consider these days. I think when you're feeding the algorithm, I usually joke about this, especially on X, it's like if I post something on Facebook or whatever, I know it's going to get hate even if I just have something, I could put a picture of a kitten up and someone's going to be mad at it.
@inannabelieveAnd it's like these algorithms are literally just Loosh machines. They're here to just suck out all of our energy this way. And yeah, it's a very important and relevant thing right now.
@joann_marieI think it's worse in Twitter than other apps. It is bad.
@inannabelieveIt is bad. It is so bad.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, George. Reptile, welcome!
@reptile_hybridThanks a lot, guys. Interesting space. I wanted to ask Dr. Heather what she thought of Zachariah Sitchin's overall thesis because, you know, whether you love him or hate him, his original works like The Twelfth Planet, those Earth Chronicles were amazing and they really set... You know the stage for this ancient aliens topic that now when we're looking at disclosure so importantly this civilization the Sumerians just came out of nowhere they knew of every planet in the solar system the revolutions even scientists will tell you um our form of agriculture came out of nowhere uh animal husbandry and when you go get back and look at the text they said it was the Anunnaki those who from heaven to earth came
@reptile_hybridAnd not only bestowed us with all this knowledge, but could have been instrumental in the creation of some form of humanity. And I don't want to get into Nibiru when it takes 3,600 years to get here. Do you put any credence to that take that Zachariah Sitchin said? Because I know he was a very interesting man. He was London School of Economics trained, and apparently he was one of the only few who could read these Sumerian texts, this language.
@reptile_hybridBut do you put any credence into his overall thesis of it?
@inannabelieveUm, I, a little bit only because he, uh, the point of him being like one of the only people who could read it was just simply not the case. People had been reading it for, you know, many years before he'd come along. And so, you know, I never had the chance to meet him, but I have lots of close friends who were very close friends of his and, you know, all of them.
@inannabelieveYou know this this is probably not here nor there regarding the scholarship but just you know as a anecdote all of them really have admitted that he was very unmovable in his beliefs that he was you couldn't question him so like and I think that kind of
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@inannabelieveA vocabulary to that, giving a narrative account of that in a way that more people can access those myths with a new understanding and a maybe more modern context, I think is an important contribution. But the ancient astronaut idea was already like a genre in 1976 with the book The Mourning of the Magicians. That was a big one.
@inannabelieveOf course, Von Daniken. Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveYou know, did a good job with putting this all together.
@reptile_hybridWell, let me tell you, he was an extremely interesting man. And don't forget, all propaganda is like 90% truth. There was a hell of a lot of truth that he spoke about, including how he linked in the Old Testament with so many of our ancient texts. We can actually trace back to Samaria. You spoke about the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Deluge, the Flood, Genesis.
@reptile_hybridIt all goes back to this, folks. And I think once we start taking a few steps back and seeing it as all linked, we get an Anunnaki, Raed Jamal, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, Raed Jamal, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@reddestmapleYeah, hi, guys. Thanks. Beautiful conversation as always, Ian, Maze, JoAnn, and Dr. Heather. I'm so bummed I missed the first part. I'm going to listen to it because there is so much. And you mentioned something that fascinated me. I've never, like, people miss on that. I'll get to that. But I think academia in general wasn't very
@reddestmaplePro-academics that would unpack these things. One would feel like they're not very happy for us to learn a lot about the truth of the ancient, or whatever you call these times. You know, and I'm Lebanese. I mean, we still call our daughters Somar until today. We were so proud of that heritage, right? But before I give it back to you, I have two things quickly.
@reddestmapleThe first one you just mentioned about the cyclical nature of progress and how in the West especially and I'd say maybe the last 500 years where this belief that progress is just linear and we just evolve into better creatures and better societies. Which is completely, I would say, if you'd ask me, Dr. Heather, I would say definitely the last 500 years since the money changes or the banksters decided how we evolve as civilizations.
@reddestmapleI'll give a quick example. I don't know if you agree or disagree. When electricity, like if we look at our urban dwelling today, the way cities were formed, We see that it was the banksters that decided, and I'll give an example, between Edison and Tesla. One could put meters so, you know, the banksters can invest money and get their money back through installing meters, and the other wasn't.
@reddestmapleAnd we chose, you know, that one, and that dictates a lot in how our urban dwelling became. And I'll say one more thing and then I'll give it back to your comments. I think the metric to gauge whether we're going progress as in positive or negative is whether we're going towards or against these three fundamental things.
@reddestmapleIn Arabic it's or goodness, if you will, or righteousness.
@inannabelieveYeah, I'm all for truth, beauty, and goodness, for sure. I do think that there has been a siphoning of everything from, we'll call it the banksters, and I think that the economy, the free market economy, while I'm obviously happy with the free market, happy with the capitalism, I have no problem with it, theoretically.
@inannabelieveIt's arguable whether we're actually living in that or not. I understand, as an economic historian, where all this comes from. And you can see the very beginnings of the, shall we say, fuckery, starting from the very beginnings of the free market. And you can just see how it has just been a battle all the way up to now, and it's just gotten increasingly worse.
@inannabelieveAnd so... There's a thing called Maxwell's Demon. So imagine a box divided in two by a wall with a little trap door. The box is full of gas molecules moving at random speeds. There's a hypothetical demon that sits at the trap door and it can see each molecule coming and open or close the door instantly when it wants to.
@inannabelieveThe demon chooses to let the fast molecules through to one side and the slow molecules through the other, and it sorts hot from cold. Now, why this is a problem, and this is like this sort of this thought experiment, we'll say. If you do this long enough, and you get one side hot and one side cold, and from a gas that started, say, uniform with no external energy input,
@inannabelieveSo you get this gradient that's created from nothing, and you can then run a heat engine onto extract useful work. And then that appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics, which says entropy or disorder in a closed system never decreases. So this thought experiment is called Maxwell's... Anunnaki, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveSub stack, I look into this phenomena of the priest class, the broker class, and the skim, and how it's dealt with through external energy input and output. And these are things that these people in the so-called priest class, they are often in banking, they understand these concepts, they actually create these concepts through these so-called
@inannabelieveThought Experiments, and they're looking all the time for ways to manipulate the math, manipulate whatever they can to get the most out of nothing, to actually make something out of seemingly nothing. And so the skim that they get, what they take, it looks like free, back to that idea of free energy, but it's only because the cost is not visible.
@inannabelieveAnd so it has to do with the gatekeepers, like the demon acts as the gatekeeper, And it's this whole system where we don't even see that it's happening. And we can see it with something like taxes. But even now, this whole system of entropy and getting something out of nothing, like fractional reserve banking and the so-called SCIM, and the concept of Maxwell's demon is all at play here when, you know, even Epstein discusses this in many of his emails.
@inannabelieveThey're looking for ways to try to get something In this new economy that we have this like digital or you know pushing towards like this like the PayPal mafia's view of what it is that we should be doing it's all based on this so-called skim because think about it you go and you you know you get an Uber and you're not making an arrangement with an individual to directly pay them there is this like middleman
@inannabelieveEverything we have is fees upon fees upon fees, and everybody's taking this skim. Well, it can only go so far before, as they even admit, the Girardian scapegoat has to die in order to relief the pressure of us continuously being fleeced. So... I don't know. I think that you're onto something there. I do think it has to do with banking, and I think that's all the more reason that these individuals like Epstein are put into positions of power because they, you know, Epstein was, he didn't have this huge education that enabled him to teach where he did, but he was hand-selected because of his mathematic abilities.
@inannabelieveMath is something that they value. All right, thank you so much, Heather. And guys, let's do a speech.
@joann_marieIn my world, I call them, by the way, thank you.
@reddestmapleAnd in my world, I call them the Jews. That's just my opinion. Thank you.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Raed. Let's do a speed round after this because we have a couple of hands and we need to end sooner. So thank you. And this has been such a great space. Thank you so much. All right, Yitz, how's your night walk? Welcome.
@scottandrewbHey, can I go before Yitz? Because I actually think he can weigh in on my question here quick. If you don't mind, Yitz, I respect you.
@joann_marieSure, go for it, Scott.
@scottandrewbOkay, thank you. So looking at the historical record and what we can prove through archaeology and through the Sumerian texts, I think it's safe to say that we can assume that Gilgamesh was a real person, right? Like, he's listed in the Sumerian list of kings.
@scottandrewbI guess my point for Yitz would be there is some written evidence that there is a House of David, but we don't know if King David actually existed. And the existence of someone like Solomon and the Second Temple is even more dubious, right? There's no real record of that. So my question would be, why are we in the West
@scottandrewbSo tied to things religiously, spiritually, however you want to view it, that we don't have archaeological or physical proof of. Where in a situation like Gilgamesh, for example, we disregard it as being more fantasy, more mythological. We chalk it up to Gilgamesh being a semi-divine potential giant. We write it off as being fiction where the real fiction is what we've basically built our foundation of spirituality and religion on in the West.
@scottandrewbI just don't understand why we as a Western civilization don't Follow the evidence.
@inannabelieveHmm, that's a good question. I think one of my favorite quotes is by Napoleon and he asked, or probably just declared, what is history but a fable agreed upon? And so it really comes down to there's what happened, right? And then there's the history, which is the story we tell ourselves about what happened. And so a lot of that functions as
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@inannabelieveAt the end of the day, history is just story. And so it's going to function in different ways and serve different people's needs. And it's kind of sad to say, but it's not really a true account of what's happened. Even when due diligence is done to say, here's the data points, here's the, you know, what we know, here's the primary sources.
@inannabelieveAt the end of the day, there's still those gaps. And that's why
@inannabelieveWith at least soft science tools like qualitative methodology, historiography, things like that to make it so that first you acknowledge your bias, you look at how the history's been told and unpacked and acknowledge their biases, and then you try to put those data points that we might have like evidence here, evidence there, and you do your
@inannabelieveThe goal of an argument is to offer that thesis. And then someone say, but here's the anti-thesis. But what we're doing together is trying to reach an observable truth. That means it's outside of my brain and outside of your brain so that both people and other people can observe it, making it objective. And that is the synthesis of ideas.
@inannabelieveBecause you're supposed to go into good faith and say, you know what? I have something here with my thesis, but you probably have good points too. How can I shed off the dead Anunnaki, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Godfroy, Raed Jamal, Tom, GameOfThrones, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveYeah, will we? We're people, so mostly everything's about the thrill of argument, the thrill of not even legitimate argument, but the thrill of fighting. Fighting to the death, like my guy existed and your guy didn't, so fuck you, debate me bro, I owned you, and all of that language. And all it does is serve to, you know, pull us apart and further away from the truth.
@scottandrewbYeah, that goes back to something you said probably four hours ago, where You mentioned that archaeology wasn't a collaborative study, and that blew my mind because it should be.
@scottandrewbAs an institution or as a function of study, as you just said, it's debate me, bro. I provide my evidence, you provide your evidence, and we shed the dead weight and we find common ground, right? And the exclusivity or the, however you want to say, the protection racket that it provides actually prevents people from actually finding common ground or truth, you know, in the middle.
@inannabelieveAnd nobody owns truth. Remember that. Truth exists outside of us. It's an ideal. We're aiming towards truth. I don't have the sole dominion over truth, and then I have to try to fight you for it. I mean, this kind of toxic behavior is rife on...
@inannabelieveYou know, find the actual truth and work together to do that. And yes, unfortunately, many fields aren't collaborative. And that's something that drives me absolutely bonkers because I mythologize and romanticize a time where people were like, you know, men and women of letters, where there were, you know, polymaths and Renaissance men and this sort of thing where it's okay to kind of be a jack of all trades, right?
@inannabelieveWhere you could kind of be... All things. Whereas now, the institutions themselves push you into hyper-specialization because of those siloed things that we talked about earlier. But even stuff like content creation or anything with branding or marketing is you have to bring it down to its lowest common denominator. You need an elevator pitch.
@inannabelieveYou need a brand. You need to look like an archetype. You need to somehow get the message across fast because you're trying to capitalize off of people's subconscious desire to already have an answer right now. Like, let me size you up immediately. So we have this whole system working against The slow and more rewarding process of trying to understand the nature of reality in all its holistic complexity.
@inannabelieveAnd we don't celebrate the people who necessarily, like, we don't celebrate the people who are musicians as well as academics as well as, you know, all of these different things. You know, so it's unfortunate. And I wish there was more collaboration, but everyone's forced into their little corners of the world. And it just serves to keep us all from working together.
@inannabelieveBecause imagine if all of the best people really did get together. Like the best biologists, the best... Anunnaki, Maze Love, JoAnn Marie, Godfrey Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid
@inannabelieveAnd I wish it wasn't that way.
@scottandrewbI really appreciate that response and that answer. That's absolutely incredible. Thank you so much again, Dr. Lynn.
@inannabelieveYou're welcome. You know, we have the internet, so we could, we can try to find, I think things like this, like this is only the second space I've been on, but I really have loved it. I think I might start just doing a lot more of these because it's been my experience thus far that there are Lots of people who are kind of, you know, multidisciplinary or interdisciplinary in their thinking and have a lot of interesting things.
@inannabelieveAnd so it's probably just another myth that, you know, we're all just like this. And when I meet people in the real world, they're not nearly as awful as the people online, of course. And so I think that more interactions with each other, like the world is our classroom, we can maybe be the alternative or be that change that we want to see.
@inannabelieveAt least that's my hope.
@joann_marieHi, Dr. Heather. We would love to host you again. We want to hear more about what the National Socialists found and also about the elite rituals and the occult and all of those things. I have so many questions, but I didn't want to just ask for myself. So no, we would love to host you. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
@joann_marieYou're absolutely brilliant. And this has been one of my favorite spaces ever. Amazing. So thank you so much.
@inannabelieveThank you. I appreciate it very much and I'll come back on to talk about anything you want and it's been a really great pleasure and everybody had really great questions and it's been a real honor. Thank you.
@joann_marieYou're so articulate and like you guide us through everything and you make it easy to understand which is amazing. So no, thank you. Seriously, thank you so much.
Speaker 7All right. Wait, hold on, JP.
@joann_marieI need to do closing remarks because I have to go coast in another place. Sure, sure. I just wanted to... Hold on, JP. Oh, my God. Thank you. Dr. Heather, would you like to add any closing remarks?
@joann_marieSorry, it's muted.
@inannabelieveI think we've covered a lot of ground and I really appreciate the opportunity. And I think the only closing remarks I want to leave everyone with is just a sincere gratitude for your time and interest and wonderful questions. And I do appreciate it. And yeah, anytime anyone wants to talk, hit me up on X, I'm on there and we can continue the conversation.
@inannabelieveThank you again.
@joann_marieThank you. No, it's amazing. Maze, do you want to add anything else?
@mazelove14Yes, I want everybody to go subscribe to her sub stack like right now. Go to her profile. Make sure you're showing her some love there. Is there anywhere else that people can follow your work, Dr. Heather?
@inannabelieveSub stack, sub stack. I mean, my books are at Barnes & Noble and all the traditional places. I'm on YouTube. I do some videos. I have a podcast. But I think the best place to find me is my sub stack. That's where I pour all my heart and work and research and
@mazelove14Shout out. Like JoAnn said, you are remarkably just intelligent, articulate, and the way that you give your metaphors and examples and the backdrop to even the metaphors, to explain them before you give it, it's just phenomenal. I really appreciate the time that you took out to build with us today. I do look forward to the next time.
@mazelove14Excellent, excellent guest, JoAnn. Thank you so much for bringing her. Thanks, Ian, for allowing me to co-host. And thank you to everybody who came. I hope you guys repost this. Make sure it's on your timeline so that people can listen to the replay. You got to do your followers a solid. And yeah, with that, I'll pass it back to you.
@joann_marieThank you. No, it was such a great space. And I think Ian cannot reply right now, but he's also so, so, so grateful. So thank you so much.
Speaker 8And shout out to Ian, JoAnn, and Maze. You guys bring the most incredible guests on here. A lot of these guests, I would have never, you know what I mean? There's so many communities that I've been a part of thanks to you guys. It's incredible. Dr. Heather, you're amazing. Thank you so much for spending almost Anunnaki, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker, Reptile Hybrid Anunnaki, Dr. Heather Lynn, V, Derek Broes, Truth Seeker,
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@inannabelieveYeah, actually, I have currently, through my sub stack, a Discord community and this sort of thing. And through my website and whatnot, I have an archive project. I'm currently referring to it as Project Midnight. It's myself and I have some other people helping and some graduate students in history who are helping me with my archives because, and this is probably a topic for a whole nother space because it's a lot to unpack, but
@inannabelieveIn an effort to understand a lot of these geopolitical and weird spiritual things, and theosophy as well, I joined the Lucis Trust Arcane School, which is a mystery school that is very complicated. With Alice Bailey.
@joann_marieI have looked into it. It's crazy.
@inannabelieveWe should talk about that too. Yeah, yeah, well, so I've written on that, and what I've done was I, over a decade of correspondence with that, I sort of was a bit of a spy. I got into the different initiations and got the sort of secret documents. I kept them all, and as a result of having those, I decided to digitize those and put them available online.
@inannabelieveAnd in addition to that, I have my own collection of cylinder seals and different objects. I have a stylus. Next week I'll be in Eureka Springs, Arkansas at Obscuricon where I'm giving a talk on whether or not
@inannabelieveYou know, on the clay so they get a feel for that. In addition to that, I have a collection of real styluses that were used so that people can hold in their hand the actual... I feel that that's really important because so often now in museums they're opting to go with gamification and having people just go through seeing like digital things and of course you're not usually allowed to touch any artifacts but given that it's a private collection I think it's important to allow people to hold history in their hands and so that's something that I'll be bringing to the conference as well and so I have my own collection and it's something that I'm digitizing
@inannabelieveAnd trying to get kind of put together. So it's a lengthy project. I also have a collection of occult, rare occult books. And my goal is to... Digitize, archive, and make searchable all of the archives, all of the documents so that people can go through and research them and do so easily through tags and scans and everything.
@inannabelieveI have a couple research trips organized to go get more documents and so just sort of my life's work here I'm putting out there. And eventually, yes, once it's said and done, the goal is to have an actual non-profit museum. Since that is my background is, you know, I'm applying the same principles of the things that I know to run a museum to be able to give people access to rare occult documents and rare artifacts and all of the things that way, but in a legitimate way.
Speaker 8And real quick, Dr. Heather, like, you sound like some somebody that, you know, I would have heard on coast to coast am driving at 2am. But if you if you have been on there, you know, I'd love to
@inannabelieveI have been on there for over the past however many years over the past decade or so I think I was just on there a couple months ago it's yeah it was kind of important I think for me to do that because you know for anyone that has heard my background I left home at 16 And traveled the country, lived in my car, and over that time running through Middle America at a time where, you know, we didn't have podcasts and great things to listen to.
@inannabelieveYou can only listen to so much music and, you know, I wanted intellectual stimulation, so I turned to Coast to Coast AM. And I used to be there as a kid running from a traumatic, you know, upbringing, sitting in the desert of all places. On the hood of my car looking up at that giant sky listening loudly to George Norrie at the time talk to all sorts of guests that would run the gamut from you know astrophysicist to a guy that said he was a dolphin in a previous life and everything in between and it was just so engaging and the one thought I had was damn I wish someday I could be able to have interesting conversations with interesting people and
@inannabelieveBefore I knew it, decades later, I was on Coast to Coast, and I happened to be considered an interesting person, and my hope was that I would be able to maybe be that voice on the other side that says to other people, you know what? Follow your dreams. You know, don't do what Joseph Campbell said. Don't follow your bliss, because bliss is some sort of self...
@inannabelieveThat's my hope to spread that, that, you know what, follow your passion. It's okay to suffer. Push through the difficulty. And maybe one day, the universe will close the loop for you in ways that you never thought possible.
Ian MalcolmAnd Dr. Heather, what a wonderful kind of suggestion and piece of advice for everybody to follow as they leave this space. Speaking of which, if you do have interest in continuing the conversation, I know JoAnn is going to be going over. I just put up Into the Nest. The space where Mr. Truth Teller is going to be live covering the Iran war and a number of other topics.
Ian MalcolmBut I just want to thank everybody in particular, Dr. Heather, for being in here with us for five hours at this point and just going over all this incredible history. Like JoAnn was saying, we're certainly going to have to do a part two with her and go into a different subject. I've got one kind of already in mind, so we'll work in the background to get that scheduled at her leisure.
Ian MalcolmBut I just want to thank everybody that was in here, right, that you were listening, participating, those that came up to ask questions, those that still have questions. I apologize that we didn't get to all of them, but we'll certainly offer for that for next time. And feel free to put those in the purple pill for what it's worth.
Ian MalcolmWe'll make sure to scan through those and get you answers to those questions. But just want to wish everybody, as always, good morning, good evening, good afternoon. And as always, God bless and Godspeed on our continued missions. Dr. Heather, thank you again so much. We will see you in the next conversation, everybody.