Held here entire — 858 passages across 47 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00warm, expansiveJQ Party IntroductionIan Malcolm introduces Foundring, highlighting his musical talent and insightful commentary on modern degeneracy.
- 0:43charged, alertMusical Introduction & SanteriaFoundring's opening performance is identified as a medley, with Joanne Marie recognizing Santeria.
- 6:33measured, soberFoundring's Musical JourneyFoundring shares his background in ragtime, boogie-woogie, and early jazz, and his classical training.
- 11:33grave, forebodingMusic as Cultural IdentityFoundring discusses music's role in cultural identity and preserving heritage, citing classical composers.
- 17:36heated, combativeSatire and CensorshipFoundring explains how COVID-19 led him to write satire songs, resulting in YouTube channel bans.
- 21:36raw, woundedDegradation of Art and MoralsFoundring laments the decline of music from wholesome to corporate and degenerate, impacting society.
- 28:16bleak, drainedFrom Jackie Wilson to LizzoIan Malcolm contrasts the musical talent of past black artists like Jackie Wilson with modern figures like Lizzo.
- 34:06tentative, hopefulVideo Game Music InspirationFoundring reveals how video game music, particularly Koji Kondo's work for Mario, influenced his early musical development.
- 38:46disillusionedScott Joplin and RagtimeFoundring discusses Scott Joplin's efforts to elevate black music through classical tradition and the global popularity of ragtime.
- 45:06grim, scorchedMusic Censorship and HypocrisyFoundring criticizes the double standard in censoring historical songs while promoting explicit modern music like WAP.
- 53:26guarded, evenName That Tune: 90s EditionFoundring plays a series of 90s song snippets on the piano, challenging the audience to guess them.
- 59:36eerie, electricMusic's Emotional PowerFoundring emphasizes music's ability to evoke emotions and challenge the status quo, even with simple compositions.
- 1:05:36detached, weighingThe Devil's TritoneIan Malcolm asks Foundring about the 'Devil's Tritone' and its perceived demonic sound in music.
- 1:11:36calm, distantPythagoras and Tuning SystemsFoundring explains Pythagoras's tuning system and how the tritone emerged from later mathematical adjustments.
- 1:19:36sombre, searchingMusic as a Consciousness ElevatorFoundring describes how music, especially the organ in cathedrals, served as a powerful tool for expanding consciousness.
- 1:24:36weathered, resignedMusic as a BridgeForti shares how Foundring's music helps bridge conversations and lower inhibitions, making difficult topics accessible.
- 1:31:06conflicted, dividedMusic's Persuasive InfluenceRabbi discusses how well-produced music can make lies seem true due to the brain's different processing of speech and song.
- 1:39:56broodingOral Traditions and Cultural MemoryFoundring and Rabbi discuss how music preserves cultural memory, citing examples like Alzheimer's patients remembering songs.
- 1:49:56hard, unyieldingCIA and Rock and RollDaffy shares her father's CIA assignment to infiltrate the 60s rock and roll scene, highlighting music's power.
- 1:58:16unsettlingMusic as Mind ControlFoundring discusses how music has been used for mind control and how movements like hip-hop were usurped.
- 2:06:16murky, uneasyThe Blueprint of Cultural BreakdownRabbi details how hip-hop was used to break down black culture, leading to social decay and vulnerability.
- 2:14:56dry, matter-of-factCycles of Cultural AttackFoundring observes that the cultural attacks seen in the hip-hop era mirror those in the ragtime era, highlighting repeating cycles.
- 2:21:16melancholy, tenderThe Gentile's JourneyRabbi introduces the 'Gentile's Journey,' describing how innocent questions about Jewish identity can lead to accusations of anti-Semitism.
- 2:30:16dimmed, waryUnearthing Lost Sheet MusicFoundring explains his process for finding and digitizing old sheet music from public domain sources like the Library of Congress.
- 2:40:16worn, nostalgicFreedom and Self-ControlHoneyBadger discusses the balance between absolute freedom and self-discipline, questioning where individual freedoms interfere with others.
- 2:50:16cool, analytical432 Hz vs. 440 Hz TuningRob discusses the shift from 432 Hz to 440 Hz tuning, linking it to disharmony and its impact on human physiology.
- 3:00:16quiet, reflectiveMusic and MemoryAin't Afraid of No Goats shares how music evokes powerful memories, emphasizing its time-traveling capacity.
- 3:04:56hard-wonFoundring's Musical InfluencesDaffy asks Foundring about his musical socialization, favorite books, and preferred piano pieces, revealing his diverse tastes.
- 3:14:36urgent, incendiaryFreedom and ResponsibilityRabbi discusses the true meaning of freedom as the responsibility to do what is right, contrasting it with entitlement.
- 3:19:16smouldering, restlessTrevor Moore and Kitty HistoryRabbi plays Trevor Moore's 'Kitty History,' highlighting how humor can subtly introduce profound truths.
- 3:26:26heated, combativePropaganda and SubversionRabbi and Foundring discuss the effectiveness of co-opting propaganda and popular melodies to subvert narratives.
- 3:34:56raw, woundedDebunking 432 HzNico challenges the historical validity of the 432 Hz vs. 440 Hz debate, attributing it to modern fabrication.
- 3:42:36disillusionedStill Better Than a ZionistIan Malcolm introduces Rabbi [guest]'s song 'Still Better Than a Zionist,' praising its humor and commentary.
- 3:51:56weathered, resignedFoundring's Critique of AI MusicFoundring critiques AI music, noting its competence in composition but struggles with nuanced lyrics, emphasizing the human element.
- 4:01:16measured, soberMe Mom Died in the HollyFoundring performs 'Me Mom Died in the Holly,' showcasing his satirical songwriting and ability to tackle sensitive topics with humor.
- 4:05:16grave, forebodingThe Power of SatireIan Malcolm and Foundring reflect on the power of satire to challenge narratives and foster open discussion.
- 4:08:26grim, scorchedInspiring CreativityFoundring encourages listeners to pursue their passions and use their unique talents to make a positive impact.
- 4:11:06guarded, evenMaking a MarkIan Malcolm highlights Foundring's 20-year career and his significant impact on millions through his content.
- 4:17:46eerie, electricThe Superpower of ActionIan Malcolm urges everyone to take action, pursue their passions, and contribute to a better future, celebrating small wins.
- 4:23:46detached, weighingA Pivot Towards FreedomIan Malcolm concludes by expressing optimism that society is at a pivot point, moving towards freedom and away from subversion.
- 4:24:46calm, distantAI's Role in Music CreationThe discussion delves into the evolving role of AI in music, from generating songs to preserving historical performances.
- 4:30:49sombre, searchingThe Power of English PhoneticsSpeakers explore why English, with its unique phonetics, has become the international language of music.
- 4:35:32tentative, hopefulFoundring's Musical Journey and ImpactIan Malcolm praises Foundring's two decades of creating impactful content and inspiring others.
- 4:41:51dimmed, waryThe Human Element in AI MusicFoundring performs an AI-generated song, emphasizing the importance of human interpretation in artistic creation.
- 4:45:28worn, nostalgicSatire and Free ExpressionThe hosts discuss the importance of satire and comedic expression in challenging narratives and fostering free speech.
- 4:48:36cool, analyticalInspiring Creativity and ImpactIan Malcolm highlights the profound impact of individual creators like Foundring in shaping public discourse.
- 4:53:34quiet, reflectiveA Call to Action and Future HopeThe host encourages listeners to pursue their passions and celebrates the growing awareness against societal control.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmWell, all right, ladies and gentlemen of the Twittersphere, I want to welcome one, welcome all. We are going to have ourselves a J.Q. Partey, P-A-R-T-Y, because we've got to, mister, I think is the old saying from the one and only Jim Carrey as the mask. The man we have in here, a man like Mr. Carey of many talents. And I say that because he's not only a musical sensation, but also an extremely thoughtful, insightful individual that is not only well aware of the madness that we find ourselves in, but has also been using this talent that he has within the musical world to both share
Ian MalcolmNot only some entertainment for all of you, but also in doing so, some of his ideas and some of his loving energy in a world that obviously, and Dr. Rechtenwald was actually just discussing this from ASAPAC, this idea that we live in a modernity in which evil and in which vulgarity and degeneracy is aplenty. And so in that...
Ian Malcolmand the music that we are going to present to you today.
Speaker 1Thank you.
Ian MalcolmOh, tickling the ivories and our souls, Mr. Foundring. And I got to say, I know there were some thoughts there or concerns around the audio certainly coming in very loud and rather clear, as are the wonderful ideas and ideals that we'll be sharing in this space. Now, am I mistaken, Mr. Foundring? It felt like there were a couple different songs kind of interwoven there.
Ian MalcolmAnd since Joanne and I always play Name that tune. Oh, no, I know which one it is. Joanne, I've got one in mind that I feel like I was hearing kind of mixed in there. Was there anything that you heard in particular before I sang it?
@joann_marieIt was definitely Santeria. I don't practice Santeria. I ain't got no crystal ball. I love that song.
Speaker 2Oh, you guys are too good. You're too good.
Ian MalcolmWell, what I really want to say, first and foremost, Mr. Foundring, I'm very, very enthused, excited, and just very humbled that you are here with us. And kind of to play off of what we just heard, that wonderful musical introduction, for anybody not familiar, I can't imagine there is a single soul out there, but in the event that there was or is, in addition to your Santeria, you know, I don't have a crystal ball.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I can't say with certainty that there isn't a single soul in the audience that is not familiar with you. So would you mind kind of just giving a little bit of a backdrop on yourself and an introduction? Because what I really want to say is how grateful and thankful I am that you're here. And I really want to make sure everybody in the audience is well aware so that they can follow, support, like, share, and all those good things for you.
@foundring1You know, have you ever written songs, bro? You weave your words just like a lyricist weaves lyrics to a song. I don't know. There's something very... Have you ever dabbled in that in songcraft, my friend?
Ian MalcolmI might have dabbled a time or two. I don't think my poetry is much for, you know, Twain or the halls of any library. But I'd be disingenuous if I said I hadn't tried to... Win the soul of a honey or two with some kind of attempt at a written little sonnet, if you will.
@foundring1You know, you take inspiration where you can get it, and I'd be lying if I didn't say that's where I... Found my very first muses were of the feminine persuasion back in the long, long ago. But I think there is a overlap between public speaking, even freestyle, and just a way with words and lyricism. So that's why I love words and I love music.
@foundring1And then words are spells. Words are spells. And then when you combine them with music, which is already this intangible metaphysical magical thing, you have a double Thank you so much.
@foundring1A very, very long time. So anyway, absolute pleasure. You guys, Joanne, Ian, you're both legends. You're both amazing people. I really, really appreciate you. Had lots of kind words. I don't know if they were all warranted. But yeah, I'm a piano player. I specialize in what we would call ragtime, but also boogie-woogie, early jazz swing styles.
@foundring1I was trained classically. I always loved music and then when I got older I realized I suppose I should pursue it as a career even though that wasn't very financially lucrative especially this day and age but it's really always kind of always been that way but it's a labor of love I love teaching I love working with musicals so I got training doing musical theater I never was a theater kid per se although I was a music nerd I more liked to be behind the piano I was
@foundring1had that sort of very weaponized autism growing up in the 90s. And it's kind of why, I mean, I'm grateful. I played Nintendo and all that, but I wasn't surrounded with all these screens and everything. So the way that I had my outlet for my frenetic behavior was sat down at the piano and played some Bach, played some Mozart, Beethoven, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff.
@foundring1And they became kind of my buddies. And they taught me about the world. They taught me about, music is like, Not to get too much into the weeds, but it's such an important part of your cultural identity, right? The arts in general, your cultural traditions, right? But it's one thing to have a tome or like an odyssey or an epic or a Shakespeare play.
@foundring1Those are not as easy to translate to modern audiences, or often when it's done, it's done to bastardize them, AKA Christopher Nolan. But with music, you can, You can relive, you can re-experience the cultures of your past, but in a modern setting. And almost anybody can do it too, right? So you can, if you're, say, from Russia, you have such a great history of these giants, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Stravinsky.
@foundring1I mean, these are some of the greatest musical minds of your time. And it is a way that you can be proud of your culture and your heritage. So long story short, I was able to tour the world. I was fortunate. I kind of, I quote, made it as I wanted to playing these old jazz ragtime music styles. And I got to play on five continents, 100 cities, big, most beautiful places in the world.
@foundring1And it was a wonderful experience to share the music of my culture, which is
@joann_marieI'm so excited for today. I'm going to message him and let him know. And in the meantime, guys, please repost this space. Let's get everybody here tonight. This is a celebration. And Ian, thank you so much for hosting and Foundring. I'm so... I was about to curse. I'm just so happy that Nat is here. I've been waiting for this day for a long time.
@joann_marieI remember he did a tiny concert in JQ. Oh, you're back!
@foundring1What's going on here?
@foundring1Did you hear me? Like most of my story?
Ian MalcolmWe heard five continents and then it just abruptly cut you off there.
@foundring1Gotcha. Yeah, that was the people from Antarctica. They didn't let me come perform there. I think you know what's going on down in Antarctica. But yeah, Antarctica and Africa are the only two places I haven't performed, so something's going on there. Anyway, I guess I can just wrap it up by saying it was such an amazing experience.
@foundring1And wherever I went, I was able to share the music of the cultures where I was, the music of their great composers. And it was such a wonderful exchange. Music is this way that we can exchange ideas between cultures, and we can relate to each other. But we can also be then proud of our own Heritage, right? And I feel like America has a really, really rich musical heritage going back centuries that a lot of people don't realize.
@foundring1And there's been a little bit of disinfo and division, a racial division there in that conversation. But long story short, I decided I wanted to dedicate myself to preserving these Americana old music styles. I found a group of like-minded folks, mainly this great, one of the great Pianist of our day is a guy named Tom Breyer, and I mentored under him.
@foundring1He was a ragtime pianist known for his sight-reading video game music videos back on the early days of YouTube. And then, of course, COVID happened. Everything shut down. I was very annoyed with that. I lost all of my gigs touring. I didn't want to get vaxxed. The whole thing, a lot of people went through. I didn't have a special story.
@foundring1But in the absence of live gigs, I started just writing satire songs because satire and that type of musical expression is a really, really effective way to challenge tyrants. And I thought that not many people were doing it, or if they were, they were getting censored, which was actually happening. And so I wrote a bunch of those songs, and YouTube shut down my channel that I had for like 15, 16 years.
@foundring1You know, almost two days of my life, I was very, very mad because it was all just ragtime. It was all normie-friendly stuff. I only started coming out of that shell. I mean, I'd been into conspiracies for many years, but I wanted to keep that separate from my musical persona because I wanted to make people happy through music.
@foundring1I didn't really want to... to, you know, hurt people or whatever. I'm a musician. I'm empathic. I want to make people enjoy themselves. I don't want to make them mad or anything. I do want to wake people up. But anyway, I realized that music was a powerful tool to do that. And the rest is history. I feel like I filled in a little space where not enough people were doing it.
@foundring1And I kind of was a little reluctant about it. But now I'm... I don't know, still not sure. I feel like it was the right call, but it definitely has affected my career and my job prospects as a musician. So just trying to figure out ways around that. And one of the things I've done lately, just to finish up my Foundring origin story, is I discovered this massive pool of old sheet music that only exists, if you think about it, recording...
@foundring1Music only started when the technology was invented, which was around 1900, a little bit before. But there was a wealth of incredible music and songs that were written and performed before then, and they only really exist in sheet music form. And a lot of them have never been recorded, which is crazy in this era of everything's digitized and AI-fied.
@foundring1And then there's this huge repository of incredible music from around the world, but in particularly America, that's just sitting there. And so I decided to redirect my efforts after getting basically banned. I didn't really have anything to worry about anymore because a lot of the language is from older stuff. And so there's a little, people might be afraid to touch some of it, but I'm not afraid anymore.
@foundring1And I'm finding that a lot of it is some of the most beautiful and enriching and just overwhelming me. Again, it makes you, it connects you to your cultural heritage to bring back. The voices of your forefathers, which they want to erase or malign or whatever. They're reinventing our history before us. They're rewriting books and everything.
@foundring1But what they can't do is rewrite a song. And these songs are snippets of the past, but they also are so present and relevant and accessible for the morals and the values that they teach. And it really makes you... I have a much more broader and detailed grasp of this transition of this wholesome music industry to a corporate music industry to a degenerate music industry.
@foundring1And it happened through the jazz era and to the modern rock era where certain things and subjects would never be discussed in songs, would never be allowed culturally, became at the very forefront of that. DeGenerate, and about lack of morals and all that stuff. And then that has a deleterious effect on society, especially the young society.
@foundring1I know I sound like, oh, there's rock and roll. There's kids in the rock and roll. But it's less about naughty lyrics and more about a degradation of art and how everything is becoming more and more formulaic and generic and simplified. And it takes these brilliant hero Hero Journeys, the heroic journey that was the standard of all artistic expression from plays to operas to symphonies.
@foundring1And it completely neuters it and sterilizes it. And it then opens you up to a lower, basically, Frequency, Vibration, or whatnot. And instead of this, music was supposed to be performed in these cathedrals with these beautiful angelic choirs with reaching new chords, and it was supposed to raise your soul and raise your spirits.
@foundring1And so, yeah, I find that this time, this ragtime, they sing about hard stuff, hard life, but they do it with such an optimistic energy. And some of the very first American songs are all about Killing the tyrants, standing up for your freedom, enjoying nature, enjoying your family, working hard and coming home to your wife and kids, living in the prairie.
@foundring1That's what they celebrate. And they also are like, blow up the banks. No central banks. And these are the original songs of America. And so I find something very visceral, but also familiar with the energy of the people back then. And so now I'm really I'm just very dedicated to preserving that. So writing the satire for today and preserving the musical history of our past.
Speaker 2There you go. There's the Foundring origin story. I'm glad that we made it through the second spiel.
Ian MalcolmWell, I love the first. I love the second. I'm going to love, I know everything that follows. And that's the thing, right? It is recognizing the past so that in the present we can take action so that we can make a better future. For those that follow, right? And it really is wild seeing the degradation of culture, the lack of morals.
Ian MalcolmAnd Foundring, I couldn't agree more, right? We look at modern music and it's wild because not only is it more degenerate in terms of the subject matter, but also even if you go from Tupac and Biggie Small, which I gotta be honest, I'm not the world's biggest fan of, but nonetheless... If you compare that to modern Travis Scott rap music, where it's become, and I always kind of joke around, it's like, I got my girl, I got my gun, I got my, yeah, money, money, right?
Ian MalcolmIt's like, how have we not only reduced the talent of the lyrics and the meaning, but also the expression of them, right? And it's a complete reduction of everything. And I look around at, in particular, the black community, which has gone from Jackie Wilson To Lizzo. And it's like somehow Lizzo was even more talented than Sexy Red.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm sure Sexy Red is even more talented than whatever it is that just came out yesterday, right? And to go from your love is lifting me higher, right? Higher than I've ever been lifted before. And it was beautiful music. And I frankly look back and I know I get critiqued for my views of the black community. I look back at Motown, I'm like, yes!
Ian MalcolmYou know, early Michael Jackson, absolutely, right? The black community had some of the most fantastic music of Americana at that point in time. And then you look again by contrast today, and I'm sure if Michael Jackson came back from the dead, I mean, first I'd be curious, is he going to be black or white? And if he, you know, as he would say, it doesn't really matter which you are, right?
Ian MalcolmBut either way, whichever rendition it would be of the King of Pop, I'm sure he'd look at today. and say what a far fall from grace the entirety of American music has faced. And so it really is wild and maybe Foundring just kind of out of curiosity, if you look back on the inspiration of the past, you were talking about some of this music that frankly has gone unrecorded, but just when you were kind of growing up, what were some of the inspirations that got you initially behind
Ian MalcolmThe Keys, whether it was on a keyboard or perhaps the grand piano.
@foundring1Certainly I had family. My parents played, older sister played, but there was something that drew me to it from a very young age. I had an aptitude for sight reading, which has really helped me in my project to learn and catalog all these old songs. In other words, I'm trained to have a piece of music put in front of me and then I could reproduce it pretty much right away, the first playthrough.
@foundring1And so that enabled me, it might sound like it's a blessing, but it's also a curse in that I quote, learn pieces quickly, but then I have a harder time perfecting and memorizing them because I'm mostly just ready to move on to the next one instead of just spending time learning that one piece. But then it allowed me to study a variety of different styles and composers.
@foundring1Like I mentioned, I loved playing Nintendo growing up and I heard this... Right? And I'm like, and then it's going like... And like... And I'm hearing this, and I'm like...
@foundring1What is this? This is the coolest thing ever. I want to know what this music was. And what it was, it was this guy Koji Kondo, who's a Japanese composer, who wrote Zelda, all the great original video game themes. And what did they need to do? They were creating history, right? They were creating one of the first, well, for that Mario, they were creating our childhood.
@foundring1They were creating the standard for the video game industry. And part of that was Music. Music is a big part of everything. Movies, you can't have them without music. You can't have video games without music. And they had a very little amount of technology to work with in terms of space. They were dealing with kilobytes, not megabytes, gigabytes, kilobytes of space.
@foundring1And so these composers were extremely innovative. Some of the greatest Composers really of the modern era, in my opinion, with what they were able to do. And they were able to use a very small amount of data and sounds to create really, really timeless and catchy works. And what did Koji Kondo choose for Mario? This is a new style of game, pretty much.
@foundring1They were pioneering of constantly dying, constantly jumping. You need to be bouncy. And so what did he do? He said, I'm going to take the traditional American music styles, which is what? What those Mario tunes are, ragtime and other styles that use a lot of what we call syncopation. And syncopation is a fun tweaking with rhythm that can be really catchy and make you want to dance, make you want to maybe replay a side-scrolling video game a hundred times and constantly dying, but keeps you wanting to come back for more.
@foundring1It had to be bouncy and engaging. So I grew up with those sounds. I discovered... Scott Joplin from a young age. You know, you were talking about the degradation of music, especially, well, pop music, but in terms of the Black community, where they certainly achieved incredible heights. And not to say that there aren't very talented Black musicians today, but they just don't really get the success that they should.
@foundring1But what is promoted as popular and what is promoted with billions of views on YouTube is that decadent, is that degenerate. Nonsense. And it's not just a racial thing. I mean, it's everybody engages with that. It's just I there's a certain double standard at play here that I've discovered in my own in my own work. So I mentioned Scott Joplin.
@foundring1Scott Joplin is known as the king of ragtime. Of course, everybody knows the entertainer.
@foundring1Then, of course, his other a big hit from from that's 1901 and his first really big Ragtime hit what was the Maple Leaf Rag from 1899. And I had that memorized by the time I was eight or nine. I found something, it was extremely infectious and appealing. So what Scott Joplin was doing, was he he came from the black community but he wanted to elevate the the music that was coming out of his community and what to do that he knew that he had to learn the european the white european classical music tradition you need rules you need boundaries you need methods you need systems you need mathematics you need instruments you need scales you need a whole system
@foundring1We needed to develop an entire system, we as humanity, of recording music. And it took thousands of years, going back to Greece. Like, Pythagoras set the original rules for how we tune our instruments based off of a fundamental series of mathematics and ratios, mathematical ratios. However, they were limiting and we didn't really have the proper mathematics to translate it and document
@foundring1figured it out during the Renaissance. I mean, it was through the medieval period, through the Renaissance, but they finally developed a system of modern temperament, we call tuning, and the great European Renaissance composers, people like Palestrina, Pre-Bach and all that, they were figuring out the rules and the boundaries and how to break the rules and doing kind of jazzy chords.
@foundring1In the 1400s, 1500s, they were trying everything. And it was, it mirrored, it reflected the development, the enlightenment, the development of man's mind, mankind's mind. And music was at the forefront of that. And then it opened the door for folks like Bach, who rewrote, I didn't rewrite, but he perfected and then took things to the next level, right?
@foundring1And then the rest is history. So why did I go on that spiel? People like Scott Joplin, who wrote those ragtime songs, or I should say pieces, instrumentals, they're not songs. Songs have words. I know it's a nitpicky point, but it's important, especially for this story. So he wanted to show the great black composers of the 1800s in America, especially, wanted to show that they were educated and refined and they all tried to learn, the great ones,
@foundring1How to notate music, how to read music, how to properly record their ideas. And Scott Joplin was huge on that. He wrote operas, too. He wrote two operas. One, unfortunately, is missing. But long story short, that's why we remember him. It's because he had the foresight to step out of the moment of just being a good musician or whatever and be like, I'm going to record this for posterity so that we can have a snapshot of this time.
@foundring1Why did I go off on this whole thing with Scott Joplin? It mirrors the birth of pop music. These music styles, prior to jazz, were the first true international pop music sensations, and they came out of America in the late 1800s. Everybody wanted a piece of it. They were spreading around to Australia, obviously, to Europe, everywhere, and they wanted this new...
@foundring1Fresh, optimistic, go-get-em, Americana sound. And this is all pre-World War I, pre-Federal Reserve. There was a lot of hardship, but a lot of hope and opportunity, especially after the Civil War. And people were mending and moving on and joining their ideas. And I find that a lot of this music was written as a collaboration between different races and all that stuff.
@foundring1So while we remember Scott Joplin, What was really popular at the time were songs. If you think about it, pop music is almost always sung. Going back to thousands of years where we'd gather around at the pub or wherever, there'd be a bard singing a song about the gal who lives in the farmer's field next door or whatever.
@foundring1We tell stories through verse and through song. And so the popular music of that time was were songs and they what were they singing about they were singing about the struggles that they had during the day of the day the racial differences there's a lot of racial terminology that was used but it was very done very tongue-in-cheek and through humor and through satire and parody and anyway uh a lot of this music this era has been been um been taken from us and just
@foundring1categorized as racist and that's in that's the hypocrisy that you were talking about where if you look at the the words of gangster rap today and all that and whatnot it's incredible i mean wap like right w-a-p i don't even want to say what it stands for but that kind of stuff if you compared it to uh the the here's a great example there is a a court case of a um a song called dora dean and it had these lyrics
Speaker 3Oh, have you ever seen my Dora Dean? She is the hottest gal you've ever seen. OK.
@foundring1The judge decided that that song couldn't be copywritten because they called the woman hottest in the song title. It was called Dora Dean, The Hottest Gal You've Ever Seen. So the songwriter, who was a Black composer, one of the greatest of the day, named Burt Williams, He changed it to sweetest so now it became she is the sweetest gal you've ever seen right and he you know he learned his lesson and the judge said first of all you shouldn't have a a subtitle the actual subtitle was the hottest gal
@foundring1referring to a woman in a physical way like that because hot was at the time was very explicitly it was a more racy term than we might think of today that was specifically like she keeps the bed sheets hot essentially the judge said it wasn't that it was that egregious he was worried that there was going to be a precedent set where
@foundring1Things were going to then snowball get out of go out of control and then become basically get more and more people would just for shock value essentially music would become more and more sexualized yada yada yada and this is i want to say 1898 1899 and very quickly we saw that happen and as i studied the the song to the progression by after by the 20s 1920s
@foundring1Things start to get overtly sexual, and by the 30s, it's just, it's like, it's completely in your face, basically. You know, the Weimar, the Weimar time, and we can have a discussion about the various sheet music companies and what kind of surnames owned them that were promoting this music, but that might be a separate thing.
@foundring1So there's kind of how I got into looking into these songs and then learning. I guess I should just finish my little spiel here by just pointing out how I was starting to record a lot of these, and yes, some of them did use racial slurs, but the terms were not considered slurs at the time, which is an important distinction.
@foundring1And even though the subject matter might seem offensive, especially to woke people today, they're rather tame. Even compared to the stuff that we grew up with in the 90s, like South Park episodes, that Chappelle show. I mean, this kind of humor was just normal. And not to say that you should excuse every whatever, but certainly the songs, they're really not that bad.
@foundring1And when I started recording them, I realized that they were getting really popular, and they were making some people upset. But for the most part, literally 99% of people were saying how funny they thought they were black people white people didn't matter they were like this type of humor is is is great it's actually this kind of thing is uniting and that's what these songs did at the time they weren't some sort of horrible divisive thing it was actually the times when whites and blacks and irish and chinese or whatever they all they all got together and they were all singing making fun of each other but having going having a laugh and then going home and having a good time
@foundring1So when you're allowed to do that and have those types of using racial stereotypes, they exist for a reason. And when you're allowed to poke fun at each other, then you humanize them instead of dehumanize them. They have it backwards today, right? So the great hypocrisy, as you were saying, Ian, was these songs were, I mean, I've lost jobs now over them.
@foundring1And I lost my new YouTube channel, a couple of them already. I'm on like four down. And they really, really make people mad. They really, because it exposes the hypocrisy of it all. It's like there's no reason why singing word for word songs from the 1890s should get you eliminated from the internet when WAP has like 20 billion views and is pushed to children without even being censored.
@foundring1So that is what the hypocrisy is and they can't face that. They can't face the fact that Perhaps people in the past who they say are the worst people ever were actually far more progressive than they are. They're the actual racist ones. I mean, they're racist against me for being white and singing and just being happy and proud of that.
@foundring1You know what I mean? So that's my story. I'm sticking to it. What's up, Rabbi? Nice to see you.
Speaker 4What's up, Foundring? How you doing, man?
@foundring1Excellent. Nice to see a friendly face. I see a lot of awesome people in the room, too. So, hola, everyone.
Ian MalcolmAnd Foundry, I've got to ask, because you did Mario, and it got me thinking, I almost want to see, because we've got a bunch of friendly people up here, I would find you kind of entertaining just as a quick little interlude. Could you give us a couple, I don't know, maybe three, five, something around that ballpark of just...
Ian MalcolmVideo game theme piano lyrics and see if people can name the tune on the stage here. I think you did Mario before. I'd be curious if you know a couple that people could guess just for the fun of it.
@foundring1I could do that, yeah. I haven't really been playing much lately, so off the top of my head, I could do more of those sort of 90s era... Sublime Tunes, probably better off the top of my head.
Ian MalcolmAnything in that ballpark. It was kind of nostalgic to hear that. I think probably a lot of people thought likewise. But if you're in the listener panel, please feel free to put it into the purple pill. We'll do just a little tidbit of name that tune here with Mr. Foundring and see what comes out of it.
@foundring1Yeah, okay. All right, all right. I'll try to disguise him a bit, okay? So see who can get them first. We could do this and come up with a prize system. That might be fun.
Speaker 2I'm too obvious.
Ian MalcolmJoanne, I was waiting for you to rock out at the chorus. Don't speak. I know.
@joann_marieI just want to sing. I love this song so much.
@foundring1All right, all right. That was too easy. That's too easy. OK, I'll try to make this one a little harder, OK?
Ian MalcolmAnd if you're listening, put it into the purple pill for the fun of it. We'll see who the first person to get it right is.
Ian MalcolmIs it Stone Temple Pilots?
@joann_marieHe's so talented and so pure as well.
Ian MalcolmAnd I know I love him so much.
Speaker 5Someone said STP.
@foundring1No, here, I'll try to make it a little more obvious.
@nance726Is it sublime? You got it.
@joann_marieNo, I... Is it sublime?
Speaker 6I'm having a hard time picking it up. Just wanna fly. Put your arms around me, baby. Put your arms around me, baby. I just wanna fly.
@malleusigYeah, come on. This game is too hard for me. That's not sublime, though. That's Sugar Ray. That's Sugar Ray. That's Sugar Ray.
@nance726Okay. All right. Can we... I was listening to Sublime Radio at work and that was playing, that's why it went into my head.
Speaker 7Here, we got another one, okay?
Speaker 6Satellite in my eye Like a diamond in the sky How I wonder Satellite Strung from the moon and the world you're blue Peeping down for the mother station Winter's cold, spring races
Speaker 3Nice.
Ian MalcolmWow, let's go! I don't know if I've ever heard that in a piano acoustic rendition, Foundry.
@foundring1I know, that's why I'm making it tricky. I mean, I could do these all night, bro. I could do a couple more.
@joann_marieLet's go! Let's do this. I'm having so much fun.
Speaker 2Alright, here's a good one.
Speaker 8Lee, Russell, and Jamie. Something is bubbling behind my back. This bottle is ready to blow.
@foundring1When I say it ain't so, your drug is a heartbreaker.
@foundring1Love is a life taker
@foundring1See, I always say I love the 90s. I mean, I love the 1890s probably the most. I love the 1890s. Me too. But the 1990s are also really solid too. There's something about the end of a century and then people being like, we're going to make a bunch of good music. So it's good times, good times. I can do maybe one or two more.
@foundring1Or are we bored with this?
@joann_marieYeah, let's hear it. No, I would love that. Sorry.
@foundring1I love this all right maybe this one will be a little easier that was that was we're dating ourselves with that one let me think here
@foundring1I would understand I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend You could cut ties with all the lies that you've been living in And if you do not want to see me again I would understand
@foundring1Oh, yeah, Third Eye Blind, man.
Speaker 9I love nostalgia. So, I love this.
@sagecutterOkay, we're going to just do one more. See what I can do. Bro, you got some crazy arrangements going on there, my friend.
@joann_marieHe's so talented.
@foundring1That's just my, that's what I always do, like... I swing them. I put a little bit. It kind of depends. Sometimes I'll put a Latin rhythm. I just like to reinvent. I don't like to play songs exactly as they are. It's off-putting for some people because they are generally... I can do some of my spicy songs for the name that tune but that'd be a different thing I like I like these 91 all right here we go here's a here's see if I can do this let's see
@sagecutterI wrapped my head around the arrangement, bro. Incredible.
@joann_marieWhat is it called?
@sagecutterI'm not telling you.
@joann_marieI know which one it is.
@sagecutterYou got it.
Speaker 10Yes! Let's go, ImBackJack! You are crazy talented with the fucking arrangements.
Speaker 5You guys are too good. That's awesome.
@joann_marieThis is so brilliant. I cannot stop smiling. Like, this is just, I cannot, it's amazing.
@foundring1That's what music is, right? And that's why they want to make music about low energy, low vibrational stuff, and why I feel like people are longing for that kind of song. Not to say all that music from that era was all just prestige or whatnot, but it, you know, I sometimes... I go a little bit overboard and I'm talking about, oh, this is a dumb song because it uses the same three or four chords or whatever.
@foundring1That's not what the issue is. The issue is when you use these formulaic chords again and again and then pair them with the...
@foundring1I love the 1890s, but right now I'm getting really into the 1850s. That was right when America, we were coming into our own and developing our own sound. And we had the great composers, songwriters like Stephen Foster, who was the father of American music. And he wrote these timeless melodies. And I'm playing through these songs.
@foundring1I've got hundreds of them. And they're just three or four chords the whole time. The way that the melodies are crafted and the notes and the rhythms are so specific but they're also so they're just right they just they work and and they they resonate and when paired with these beautiful songs of nostalgia and love family life all these things it just creates the
@foundring1Perfect synthesis of what music should be about. And music should be about other things. It should be about challenging satire songs, challenging the status quo, using harmony in music, of using music in a scary movie setting. There's all sorts of different purposes for the powers of the arts. And I feel like music is that type of alchemy that, if wielded properly, can make people smile or get angry or
@foundring1or GetComplacent. I mean, it can do all the things. And it's just one tool of many. But I feel like it's one that has increasingly been weaponized against us in ways that a lot of people don't realize, which is kind of why I go into that. I spurg out sometimes. I'm like, oh, this song is just using the same four chords.
@foundring1Well, it's because that song is using the same formula, and it's not adding anything new. It's not doing anything new in the melody, in the rhythms, in the lyrics. And I feel... Simple isn't bad. It's the intent behind it. It's the intentional and shitification of all society. And I think the internet, unfortunately, is a part of it.
@foundring1And that everything is becoming increasingly smaller, more clickbait, and more, it's all about your thumbnail, and people are going to only watch for 10 seconds. And meanwhile, I'm like, I'm just going to record an eight-minute song by Stephen Foster from 1853 and maybe get 20 likes. But I don't care because the... I'm just going to keep doing what I'm going to do.
@foundring1And I'm not saying that you shouldn't be using technology. I think that all these tools in our hands, the proper intention, we got to use them. And that includes AI. And I'm all for AI music generation. I think they are basically going to use it against us. And they're going to cut out the middleman now. And they're going to...
@foundring1They've probably been generating these pop songs with whatever tech for way longer than what we have, right? They just released that stuff for us recently. They've been hitting us with this weaponized slop for a really long time. So I'm just trying to provide an antidote to that weaponized slop. And if I can make you smile by playing Weezer and Radiohead in a funny way, that's a good way to start.
@foundring1That was great shit, dude. That was good stuff. Thanks, man.
@sagecutterI'm going to grab a glass of water for a second, so just keep talking. Oh, Foundring, check down in the blue pill I put. You ever hear about the numbers by Tom York? I don't think so.
@foundring1From Radiohead? I mean, I love Tom York. I mean, Radiohead was my favorite band when I was a kid.
@sagecutterCheck out the video I put down in the blue pill. I'll check it out.
@foundring1Yeah, yeah, I'll check it out. I'm going to grab a glass of water.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and when Foundring gets back, I'm going to be very curious for his thoughts on, and Joanne or maybe Rabbi, you might know about this, but I think it's called like the Devil's Tritone or something along those lines. And it's basically kind of a demonic set of chords played in kind of conjunction with one another. And I got to be honest, it's something I'm kind of ignorant on, but I'd be very curious for his thoughts on it.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, have you ever heard of that or does that sound foreign to you?
@joann_marieI have, they are, it's called Sostenidos in Spanish, so it's like the low ones, and they do sound very creepy, but I don't know, I've never heard that like they're cursed or something.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I've heard that they're kind of interlaced into a number of songs, and it is kind of creepy. I think there's a number of movies that have injected them into the scores and soundtracks, but again, it's a very demonic kind of sound effect, and I'd be curious for Foundring's thoughts on what exactly that's doing, if it's the resonance, for example, or maybe the dissonance of the resonance, if that even is a way to present the idea.
Ian MalcolmBut yes, a creepy set of chords played in conjunction with one another. But while we're waiting for Mr. Foundring, PVG, any thoughts on the musical maestro of Mr. Foundring?
@thenaturalord3rOh, you know what? I kind of consider him a friend. We followed each other for a while. People don't realize about him. He is how obscenely, obscenely talented this man is. I mean, there is a ragtime performer named Tom Breyer who, unfortunately, he had an accident a few years ago that gave him neurological damage. But, you know, Foundring was going, and he was the best at all this ragtime piano playing.
@thenaturalord3rAnd Foundring was, you know, matching with him. You know, stroke by stroke of the pianos. Foundring, if you're listening, you know, I consider you a friend. I'm happy that you're here. You know, just today in my group chat with my friends, you know, I branched you out to the Norvies. I can't say it right now because I'm in a public place, but the blank old blank ball for the Super Bowl, which was brilliant.
@thenaturalord3rand everyone was laughing and you know you have such a positive energy brother and it's a shame of what they did to you but we're a good community and we're gonna support you and we're gonna boost you brother because you really have such joy in what you do and the talent that you have is I mean I've never seen anything like it I mean
@thenaturalord3rFor those of you that haven't watched his videos, just check them out. He has so much fun. There's a song, Mary's Gone, with a, I can't say the word, but there's like this back vocal, and it's so infectious. It's awesome. So check out Foundring, check out what he does. You know, it's good to talk to you, brother. You know, we've followed each other for a while.
@thenaturalord3rWe've sent each other messages. I'm happy to call you a friend. And... Yeah, you're the best, and nobody can do what you do. So, I'm really happy you're here, and I'm happy that all these people under me can get to hear you. Because what this man does with a piano is like magic. It's his gift. Another thing I want to say before I finish is, there was a video of you, Foundring, playing like a gigantic organ.
@thenaturalord3rI don't even know where I saw it, but it was the coolest thing because those things look like they're impossible to play. I'm not a musician. You guys know what I do and my work. But, you know, he brings joy. He brings fun. He brings enthusiasm. And he also teaches a lot about musical history. And, you know, it's one of the coolest things when he pulls out like something, you know, this is a never before seen piece of music from
@thenaturalord3r1862, written by who? And it's just a joy. So I appreciate you, Foundring. It's great to talk to you finally and keep up what you're doing because you bring a lot of joy, man, to a lot of people, myself and my friends on here and my friends that I know personally included. So love you, brother. Keep up the good work.
@foundring1Hey, thank you. What an incredible thing. I love you too, man. I really appreciate that. I just have to say, The fact that you played the gay ball song for your normie friends is pretty hilarious to break the... I mean, that one's a pretty... It's pretty tame, despite the gamer word literally in the title. It's just literally about a fun ball for black people.
@foundring1But, you know, you often wonder at how people might react. I have people at IRL that are very, very unhappy... I'm extremely unhappy with my decision to record a lot of these songs and unfortunately I did burn some bridges as a result of even recording them. I mean a lot of people that know about this history they don't really want it to be preserved at least not by someone like me who's a white guy smiling being cheeky and having a blast but I think that's really what it is is that I'm actually coming from it from a non
@foundring1I mean, I'm definitely trying to be, I'm a troll, right? I'm a shit poster, I'm a troll. I grew up with the internet, like in the 90s. I grew up being a little shit on the internet and being a troll. And that's just how I became an adult, for better or for worse. And it translates, it fits the sort of court gesture.
@foundring1and maybe not get his head cut off at the end of the day if the king is being nice. And the king likes having a jester because then the masses can be laughing with the jester at the king, yada, yada, yada. And I think during COVID, they went full tyrant because even before then you were allowed to make fun of sure they came after Alex Jones types and all that but for the most part you wouldn't get your whole youtube channel wiped for a silly i mean i was writing songs about the holocaust like as a being tongue-in-cheek and stuff in 2013 14 on youtube but it was all like people got a joke back then it wasn't really that big of a deal and then during covid it became an excuse and of course then with the whole blm and everything just the mind virus the woke mind virus exploded and got turned up to
@foundring1It was nuts, right? I mean, we all lived through it. I don't need to rehash that. But I think that importance of someone who's just smiling and singing and it really, it gets to people because if you try to, if you do the Alex Jones, like, they're turning the frogs gay. Some people are going to laugh, but most people are just going to turn off, shut down.
@foundring1They're just going to be like, okay, whatever. And, you know, it's Atrazine! No, that's not one way to do it. But if you go, you know, they're turning the frogs gay. They're turning the frogs gay with Atrazine. They're turning the frogs gay, right? And if you, obviously I just made that up, but if you relayed information in a more...
@foundring1a fancy quality recording studio and everything I feel like even though I'm stubbornly maintaining that you know the old school that ragtime I just want to play ragtime music from the 1890s I don't want to be a DJ or anything but I get there's a certain appeal to sounding and looking a certain way but also it's important to show people hey if you want to practice and do your own thing you don't need they want people to think that talent and skill is just this
@foundring1Once in a million thing, right? I call it the Mozart conspiracy. They do it with folks like Shakespeare, with Einstein. Mozart was great. Very talented composer. Love him. Brilliant prodigy. However, he was quite popular in his time, and there were a lot of instances of other musicians who wanted to get their music out there, so they would write Mozart on their score, and then, oh, heck...
@foundring1It's being played all over again. It's the new Mozart piece, right? In other words, there's a mythos created around some of these characters. Mozart's Requiem mostly was written by his students after he died. He didn't even write it, and it's his most famous piece. Again, not taken away from Mozart. Shakespeare, not Shakespeare.
@foundring1It was a group of people led by Edward de Vere, and there was a whole thing behind that. Einstein was a retard. These figures are propped up. As these mythic once-in-a-lifetime figures, it can only be one Shakespeare, when really we can achieve those heights. We really can. And I have certainly developed a very specific skill set.
@foundring1But when I started going to these ragtime festivals and meeting the guy that he was talking about, Peavy was talking about Tom Breyer, who was this great, amazing ragtime pianist. And it wasn't just him. There was a whole group of just phenomenal musicians. And they're not famous. And they're just the best at what they do.
@foundring1And just that infectious energy of just pursuing your craft no matter what society is telling you is probably not a good idea. I think there's something very wholesome and inspiring about that. It's very kind of you to say that. But I've met some guys that can just do some incredible things. But I will say that what I'm really working on that's hard is the singing, especially while looking away.
@foundring1Singing, looking at the camera, or whatever. I'm very much inspired by Tom Lehrer, another Tom. A lot of people might know him from his Elements song, where he sings all the elements of the periodic table. There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium, and hydrogen, and oxygen, and nitrogen, and rhenium, and nickel, neodymium, neptunium, germanium, and iron, americium, ruthenium, uranium, europium, zirconium, lutetium, vanadium, lanthanum, and osmium, and acetine, radium, and gold, and percutinium, and indium, and gallium, and iodine, and thorium, and thurium, and thallium.
@foundring1Right, that's just off the top of my head. I have that in my long-term memory. But this idea of doing impressive... Lyrical feats while playing piano at the same time is a skill that used to be very commonly done back in the 20s, 20s, 30s. Really incredible pianists were able to do a lot of that. But that art has sort of, I wouldn't say died out, but certainly it is much rarer than becoming a very good pianist, a jazz pianist or classical pianist.
@foundring1And that's kind of why I never really... When I went to conservatory, I was wanting to do that kind of stuff. And it was all, you have to do jazz or you have to do classical. And there was really nothing else. And I said, all right, I'm peacing out. I'm going to do my silly songs instead. And yeah, I think a lot of people don't get what I do.
@foundring1And they're like, yeah, you're just a gay piano fag. And yeah, I mean, there is that aspect to it. I'm not going to deny that. you have to act when you're a performer you act in that flamboyant you you act a certain way uh just as part of the shtick it's part of this shtick and it it's there's this weird preconception that there's a political division between in the arts like the left or liberals are the ones that are able to claim um artistic expression musical theater and all yada yada when traditionally
@foundring1I couldn't be further from the truth. The original Broadway plays from the 1890s, I mean, man, you would think that they were written by some right-wing incels. I'm serious. Go back to Greek times. The idea that one part of the political spectrum owns a certain art form is ridiculous. And when they tried to reinvent in the last century or so, they'd say, oh, only this can do that.
@foundring1And that's why the left really hates me because I grew up in California, I came from a liberal household, went to liberal schools, and yet I became disenfranchised, disaffected with what they were, the messages they were pushing, and they really get mad at me for using what they believe, the arts that belongs to them, to not, and it goes both ways too, where the right doesn't really, they're
@foundring1They don't like it. They don't want to have anything to do with it a lot of the time, and they think it's gay. And it is, but that's not bad. I mean, gay used to mean happy, right? So I feel like I take that as a compliment when I'm living in 1890s mode. But long story short, I feel that everything has been done to sort of divide us between ourselves and with the whole conversation about the history of American music, where they say, well,
@foundring1Blacks invented blues and jazz, and that was the beginning of American music. And I'm like, wait a second. No, there's a whole hundred years, a couple hundred years before that. What happened before that, music didn't just show up in America in 1900 with blues and jazz. And that kind of thing is done to divide us, saying, oh, the arts musical theater is a left-wing phenomenon, and the right shouldn't have anything to do with that.
@foundring1I feel like these are falsehoods, and they're perpetrated by those of us who are trying to get us to fight white versus black, left versus right, man versus women, older versus younger. And that's, I think, part of it, too, where the younger generation doesn't really kind of quite get what us old fag millennials, what we grew up with and what we remember.
@foundring1I feel like my generation really dropped the ball on a lot of things and went in some unfortunate directions. And I feel like we all shouldn't be judged for that. But yeah, I think musical theater, songs, creativity in the face of tyranny is one of the best solutions. It might even be the final solution, shall we say.
Ian MalcolmWell, and a musical one at that. And Foundry, I'm So one thing I brought up while you were stepping away for a drink, and certainly always feel free to, because the work that you're putting into this, not just intellectually, but also between your fingers, your throat, your singing, et cetera, certainly if you need to take a moment, feel free.
Ian MalcolmBut one thing that I was bringing up just out of curiosity, because you were talking about the way in which music can send not just energy, but can almost kind of transport us either to other places or maybe send... either positive or negative energies and vibes to the people that are listening to it.
@foundring1Oh, you were talking about the tritone. That's right, I heard you say.
Ian MalcolmIs that something you're familiar with at all? Because I've heard about that, but always kind of in passing. I'm curious for your take on it.
@foundring1So we were also discussing organs, and I do have some training playing the pipe organ. And if you think about the pipe organ, I know this sounds like I've changed subject, but I haven't.
@foundring1It's the loudest sound you can make from any instrument without the aid of electronic amplification. You stuck one of those things in a gothic cathedral a thousand years ago, and you had basically a consciousness elevator, right? Think about it. You're a peasant. All you know is the sound of sheep's... and goat shitting in the fields and your hard labor, right?
@foundring1And all of a sudden you walk into this massive space that's just expansive above you. Never seen anything like it. And you hear a choir, a heavenly choir, or you hear the sounds of the organ. And it was basically a way to transmit, you know, well, energy and that's a whole different thing, but expand consciousness. It's a consciousness expander.
@foundring1The musicians were well trained in that, I would say, occult aspect of music and spirituality, where they would be trained to provide the proper religious experiences depending on the setting. And a lot of that has to do with tones and frequencies and sounds. And the organ is the prime example because you have so much Power to change so many different things.
@foundring1You have a huge array of combinations of frequencies to work with. And it is outside of the realm of my area of expertise, unfortunately. I would love to spend a lifetime just dwelling on a lot of that. But I think a lot of it has to do with tuning the way that your instruments are tuned, the frequencies that you are creating.
@foundring1and less than a certain sequence of chords or notes, if that makes sense. So like you wouldn't maybe be able to reproduce some of these sounds on just a generic piano with just a finite set of notes. Sometimes we're dealing with notes in between notes. If you think about it, there's an infinite amount of notes in between notes, right?
@foundring1And it's this slight manipulation that can cause these, These weird feelings, as opposed to, oh, he went from C major to A flat minor, ooh, you know. Oh, that's a weird thing. Oh, but it's not really that demonic, if that makes sense. And specifically, you were mentioning the tritone.
@foundring1And this is sort of my own interpretation, so take this kind of with a grain of salt. But back in Pythagorean times, Pythagoras times, he developed a system for tuning and that involved understanding the concept of frequency and octaves so if you have a string like if you just take a bow string or whatever and you pluck it it makes a sound everyone we humans figured that out millennia ago right well Pythagoras figured out or he this was the information that was passed to him from previous sources which is just as likely well if you take that string and you take another string and you make it
@foundring1Twice as small, twice as thin, right? Take one that's twice as wide, essentially. You're going to create two tones that sound very similar. One will be vibrating perhaps at 440 hertz frequency, right? And the other one would be at 880, and they sound very similar. So he figured this is an important frequency, a relation between notes, an interval that is divine, is divinely inspired, essentially.
@foundring1So through his observations and a few other ratios, for example, a string with a two versus a three ratio would produce what we call a fifth, a perfect fifth. Sounds like that. And two strings with a three to four ratio would create a perfect fourth. And from that, he developed a way to tune instruments. Here was the problem.
@foundring1You could create very pure intervals between those happy little notes that we call the octave and that fifth and that fourth. But the moment you try to translate those perfect, pristine intervals to other keys, it doesn't work. In other words, it all falls apart. It sounds like that horror movie cliche, right? You're going to sound really good in that one key, but then once you try to change and navigate around, it all starts to sound wonky.
@foundring1There's no real good explanation for why that happens. I don't know. I don't think anybody knows. It just does. So we were stuck, essentially, with this one tuning system. And that's why songs for thousands of years were very modal. They stuck in one kind of sound. They sound like a folk song, where they might go up and down a few notes, but they really are sticking with one general idea.
@foundring1Same with Gregorian chant. Through the medieval times, they're sticking with one set of tuning. They're not switching in and out. discussion that happened during that post-medieval renaissance era before we got to Bach and them all of well we have these new forms of math we're smarter now and we are maybe we can tweak these pythagorean ratios a little bit and when we did that we found other notes such as this tritone when we when we divided up the octave into 12 steps
@foundring1Those are 12 notes before we get to this one again, right? It's like the square root of two ratio in between them all, right? When we did that, we created this new note that was exactly split in the middle. It's called the tritone. And it doesn't sound very, it sounds like, I'm like, here's what we call a fourth. It's like a tap.
@foundring1Here's a fifth. So it's like, here comes the king, right? Right? So these are nice and pure tones that Pythagoras figured out. But then all of a sudden we have... And that would have sounded, especially in the modern tuning, very aggressive to the people at the time who would have only experienced certain sounds. So the composers that were starting to experiment with this were soundly denounced by the church.
@foundring1Now we might think that's kind of silly, but there is some... I see both sides of the argument in that by slightly altering these perfect ratios that Pythagoras had figured out thousands of years ago, it was almost like we humans had the audacity to challenge God, challenge the creation. And the church at the time thought that we do not have the right to do that.
@foundring1So these new Tones and harmonies were maligned. In fact, there were composers that did protests and there was some actually major events. This was a huge discussion for hundreds of years at the time. It was one of the major philosophical arguments of the time was this, how do we tune? I mean, when I say that European classical history has a history, it has.
@foundring1A huge history of development and antecedents and experiments. And so long story short, we decided on this system. And under certain circumstances, yes, it actually does ruin some of the perfect ratios. But at the expense of them, you are then able to explore whole new worlds. And people like Bach just went nuts with it.
@foundring1And he was like, oh my god, you can do this, and oh my god, you can do this, and this, and this. And he was still operating with what we call the well-tempered system. A lot of people might know the well-tempered clavier was one of his early composition collections. But we use basically equal temperament today. But musicians that are not pianists are trained to find notes within notes.
@foundring1Violinists, wind players, brass players, they often will be like, well, you need to play this F sharp slightly higher because we're in the key G, and it's what we call a leading tone. Not to get into the musical theory weeds, to get back to this tritone. Under certain circumstances, these non-perfect human intervals that we created by altering these perfect ratios can, in the church's defense,
@foundring1Elicit these negative feelings and especially during the time it would have sounded demonic to some for sure but a lot of it was just old folks old you know the old ways die hard right they they wanted to these had been the standard for a really long time but conversely wielded with the pro this is all comes down to intent are you creating to to harm are you creating to promote
@foundring1Degeneracy, or are you creating Bach? No one knew who he was. He was writing a masterpiece cantata for his church once a week, every Sunday, for his whole life, thinking that they were never going to be heard again. He was doing it for God, for the glory of the divine, for creation. That's what motivated him. He just wasn't doing it for fame and fortune.
@foundring1He was creating pure, pure sounds. wielded properly these intervals that could be quote demonic could actually become angelic and certainly they they this became the foundation of what became ragtime and jazz because it's basically uh what we call a seventh chord if i just add a d on the bottom of that this this weird kind of turns to this and then i can go and i can bring it down to this
@foundring1But throw a G on the bottom there. And then now we got basically the foundation of rock and blues, right? So I'm basically using that devil tritone. In fact, that's kind of why a lot of people said, oh, that rock and roll, it's that devil's music, because it used this. It used these intervals that were not Bok had been using them and everything, but in a more etheric context.
@foundring1It wasn't like in a rock and roll. Though, I mean, I'm sure if Beethoven was around, he'd be writing some. In fact, he even wrote some pieces that I would even call boogie woogie. I mean, these guys were vastly ahead of their time. So there is your, the longing, I mean, a lot of this is sort of my own... Perception that I've developed over the years of studying these things.
@foundring1There's a book I read a number of years ago called The Music and its Occult Influence Through the Ages, and it basically talks about different composers who were influential become vehicles essentially for, and this kind of gets into the metaphysical aspect of things, but for energies, for ideas, they become vessels essentially, and Wagner had his own roles, and
@foundring1Mahler had his own roles, and Scriabin had his own role to play. So these composers are the great ones. They tap into these creative forces that are profoundly human, but they also connect us with the divine. So it's about finding that proper balance. I think Pythagoras had a lot of Good points. And he had a lot of, his ideas were good.
@foundring1But then when we got to the Renaissance, it was time to shake things up a bit so that we could explore. And I don't think that the system that we have today is perfect. I think that there's probably better ones out there, but it's the best that we have to translate the intangible, the etheric music into something that is on a piece of paper.
@foundring1And that's why sheet music and all these things are so important. It's one thing to be like, oh, I have this great song idea. OK, it's in your head. Share it for posterity so that people hundreds of years will understand it. We remember Bach because he wrote down his ideas. And now we can study his manuscripts and learn how he was able to translate these otherworldly ideas into something that is human.
@foundring1And some might say that that is an affront to God to think that we have the brazen
@foundring1I think that that is a way that we we were given that gift so we should realize it and we should use it for for good for the greater good and I know that might sound silly from someone who sings old songs with slurs in them but that that's not I mean the point is I'm trying to to unite and and part of that is by through laughter and breaking down social barriers that have been artificially
@foundring1Placed between us to divide. So, wow, I'm really talking a lot. You better stop me.
Ian MalcolmNo, it was so beautifully stated. And I know Forti has a question. And so we're going to go to him in just a second. But Foundring, it was so interesting because somebody said, can you play the piano piece from Eyes Wide Shut in the Purple Pill? And when you played the tritones... It kind of sounded straight out of that movie.
Ian MalcolmI don't know if anybody or if you, Foundring, have seen it, but it sounds almost identical to the notes that you were putting together.
@foundring1Oh, it's totally that part. I don't know that tune off the top of my head, but I know exactly the mood of it, and that is exactly right. Yes. And that would be exactly it.
@sagecutterThere's like tension. There's a tension to it. Totally.
Ian MalcolmIt was so wild how that person asked that, and right as you played it, I thought, I think that's basically it. But let's go to, I know Forti has his hand up, and then we'll say hi to Dr. Rechtenwald, and then go down to Mr. TurkeyTime, and then ImBackJack.
@nance726Hey, good evening, everybody. Glad to be here and glad to be having this space. Thank you guys for it. Foundring, it's been amazing, brother. I always appreciate you. And I don't really so much have a question as much as just a little note to make here. What you're doing is truly amazing, right? And I always talk about food being a good way to bridge the gap with people and have conversations with people.
@nance726But man, I've used your music so many times. Just like somebody will make a joke or somebody will say something and then I'll play like a fake and gay is one of the ones I always go to. It's one you've seen me repost probably hundreds of times. But I share it in real life too. I just turn my cousins on to it. And then my one cousin, he loves that kind of ragtime music, always has.
@nance726and he was like, oh my God, you've never heard of this guy before. But like, I'll use your music and some of your other parody songs to kind of bridge the gap with people. And I'll, you know, they'll make a comment, they'll mention something. And even if it's not necessarily that, I'll be like, hey, you know, check out this song.
@nance726And then it gets the mind, it makes them in a like relaxed setting, right? Cause they're kind of laughing, but they're getting information at the same time. And it kind of opens it up to the conversation. Like, hey, is that true? Is that, you know, what he's talking about there really happened? Is that really something that's going on?
@nance726and so it kind of puts them in a like you were saying it can it can shift you know people's minds and people's attitudes and it puts them in a more of a relaxed state and then you're able to kind of bridge these these these conversations with them and and have what would normally be a hard thing to maybe bring up or especially you know with normies or in your polite conversation but when you can kind of make a little bit of a joke about it kind of warm them up to it everybody's having a good time and then before you know it you're having those difficult conversations
@nance726and I think that's something that you do like masterfully and I really appreciate it because I've utilized it here on X you know millions of times but I've used it in my own life multiple times too and I've gotten a lot of laughs out of it I've gotten a lot of great conversations that have spawned from it and so it's really powerful what you're doing brother and I do appreciate everything you said tonight too with all the old music you're bringing back
@nance726and the fact that you got out and I've seen it you know you get called out as racist and all this stuff but you're preserving music that nobody else was bothering to preserve in a lot of these instances and you're doing it you know from a from a good place you know from your heart and and for good reason and I think the way you described it and uh and you know and gave your reasoning for it tonight was uh was absolutely beautiful and I and I really do appreciate you and thank you guys for having this space because uh
@nance726Thank you guys.
@foundring1That's awesome. Hey, thanks, Forti. I really appreciate you. Really kind words. I love the breaking the ice with that. And I think what you said was spot on about how people kind of lowered their guards, their inhibitions, they get into a more relaxed state. And I really saw that was effective. I discovered it really during COVID because you could be like, hey, don't take the vaccine.
@foundring1It's going to hurt you. And a lot of people are just going to shut down. But if you kind of, you'd be like,
Speaker 3Did that jab ever work? Oh, no, it never did work. And our fate is still unlearned. A Fauci line, you tried to fly the speed of science. It's the jab that never did work.
@foundring1You know, I was seeing people in the chat being like, you know, I'm fully boosted. Or, you know, in the YouTube comments back when I had my channel. Yeah, I'm fully boosted, and I like Fauci, but this song made me laugh. In other words, the information that they normally would... Shutdown, when you package it in a certain, I mean, you know, we're humans, we like to be entertained, we don't like to be browbeaten all the time, we don't like to be lectured to, we want to, sometimes, we have hard lives, all of us, and we want to make ends meet, and we don't want to be lectured against all the time, and a lot of people get that at work, or school, or whatever, and then, you know, on YouTube, someone's yelling at you, versus just singing, and maybe the
@foundring1Some of that stuff that he's saying is ridiculous and nonsensical and not factual or whatever but the fact that we can all just laugh about the absurdities of the world and the things that some people believe and at the end of the day it shouldn't be just decried as this basically thought crime essentially to say certain words or to think about certain things and I think that people are over that type of policing.
@foundring1I mean a lot of people seem to Really embrace it, but that's sort of the way of the world. But COVID was really the icebreaker for a lot of people where some people that normally would Not question things are now more receptive. And we need to take advantage of this moment because it's usually fleeting. We have cycles of this when the whole history is this up and down between tyranny and people fighting back and getting their freedoms back.
@foundring1And it's that roller coaster of human civilization. And it's one that we're all part of, for better or for worse. So we have to ride that wave accordingly. And I think that right now we're in a bit of a window for better for worse and we should we should step up and that could you don't have to write songs you could make memes i mean we have so much power at our make any use ai i mean you use whatever tools that you find to that helps that innate creativity that we all have you don't all have to be that mozart you know or the shakespeare we we can all we are all the meme makers and we are all the dreamers of dreams so i love i love uh your your comments about that
@nance726And just to interject very quickly. Mulberry just dropped down, but I was hoping to have you guys feed for a minute because I think it'd be amazing for you guys to team up. Maybe you can make a little jingle for her app or something. I know you guys are very much aligned on many topics, and I think that'd be a really cool collaboration that you guys can maybe do.
@nance726But she just dropped down, but if that's something, I don't know if you're familiar with her app, but... I feel like you guys would definitely vibe and it'd be cool to see you guys maybe collab on one of her little commercials or make a little jingle for her app. I think that'd be really cool.
@foundring1I missed it. I didn't hear what you said. Who was it?
@nance726Mulberry Tree app. She has a farm-to-table food app. Sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 11So, yeah, I mean, Foundring, I've been a fan of yours for quite a while and I never heard you talk before. I knew from your songs and your composing that you were, you know, not only a great composer and really verbal virtuoso, and then also, of course, historical revisionist. I knew all that, but then tonight I found out you're also a music historian and a music theorist.
Speaker 11It's incredible. I mean, you are a super talented dude. It's incredible, man.
@foundring1Hey, thank you so much. I don't know if I would call myself all those things, but I tend to dabble in a lot of just thought experiments, and I don't really have any credentials.
@joann_marieNo, you're amazing. So talented. Sorry.
Speaker 11Yeah, you're amazing. I don't think the credentials matter. They don't necessarily hurt you. They do in most cases, though.
@malleusigI wanted to interject previously because I wanted to add to what Foundring was saying about the reason why music is so... influential and so persuasive and it's I think from my observations it's that a well-produced piece of music the human mind because most people can't most people can't make music so when they come across a well-produced piece of music it seems like it was just something that always existed it's always been there because they don't understand how easy it is to come up with these things and if you have really really good production value it becomes
@malleusigIt becomes almost like a law of nature. It becomes something that's a constant, and it exists now, and it always existed, and they're just discovering it. And when you are able to put together something that is the truth into song form or video form, then what essentially is happening is the brain is going to interpret that as the truth, more as the truth.
@malleusigthat maybe somebody just walked up and told them because the brain knows that a person can lie, that a person can walk up and falsify their speech. But falsifying something and making it into a song or a TV show or a video just seems like so impossible to the average person. They're just automatically going to get whatever they hear and see in that format, the benefit of the doubt, and going to assume that it's the truth.
@malleusigOtherwise, why would they have put so much time and money into making it, right? I would actually venture to say that there are, I think for most people, there's this feeling that if something isn't true in some way, you can't make a song out of it. You can't figure out how to make it rhyme. You can't figure out, and again, this is, I notice this in certain spaces, but it's really true for all people.
@malleusigIt's like people really, like we're really, really disappointingly illogical people, you know, creatures, humans, right? You literally, and I, I'm not even joking. I'm not trying to make a joke here. If you get something to rhyme, a disappointingly high percentage of people will simply assume that you're telling the truth and that you're right.
@malleusigJust because it rhymes. Just because it rhymes or you used a clever term in a phrase, right? Then people will just assume, oh, oh, he's telling the truth because why? Oh, well, it rhymes, right? And they've abused this for a hundred years or more now. They've abused this because they know. The people that create most of our songs.
@malleusigThey know this. And they know that if they just take a little time and effort and figure out how to make lies rhyme with each other, then people are more likely to accept them uncritically. And this also goes to, I think it also goes down to brain structures. We all know that the brain structure for music and the brain structure for speech are different.
@malleusigSpeech is a later thing. Music is an earlier thing. Because our hominid ancestors learned to communicate with tonality first before they communicated with words. And we know this diagnostically because you can take victims of stroke or brain damage who have had issues with, I think it's the vernix area, I forget which aphasia it is, but they have issue with the brain structure that controls speech.
@malleusigIt can be physically damaged. They can't speak. But they can sing their words. So they won't be able to say, I need to go to the bathroom. But they'll be able to communicate, I need to go to the bathroom. Like, completely fine. And that seems counterintuitive because, well, you're just speaking with music. But in reality, you're using a completely different part of the brain.
@malleusigAnd that's why they're able to do it. So this is deep. This is really, really... DeepBiologicalStuff when you're playing with this and that's why music is so powerful. So I think Foundring is doing a fantastic job and I think we need more Foundrings. So if you are considering getting into music or writing songs, get at it and get good at it as quickly as you can because we need you.
@nance726Just to build on that just a bit there, my grandma who has Alzheimer's, I was just hanging out with her yesterday. She can still recite whole long poems and sing all these songs from her childhood, but she doesn't remember what song she just sung you after she sung it. But she knows all the words. She can carry the tune.
@nance726She can recite vast, famous poets and word for word and nail them. Doesn't make a single mistake reciting this old poetry and singing these old songs. And then you ask her who wrote that or to repeat a line from it, and she won't remember which one she did. But she can remember the poetry and she can remember the music.
@nance726And so there's definitely something to what you're saying there, Rabbi.
@foundring1I will jump in and add to that. And so I feel like that reveals something culturally, profoundly important culturally there in that it's sure that it's impressive that she's able to remember all those songs, but it speaks to just how
@foundring1They're oral traditions. They're musical traditions. We brought Irish folk music. We brought Scottish and Welsh and English shanties and jigs and airs. And this became a part of our cultural memory shared. We didn't necessarily have instruments for a long time. So we just used our voices. And kids grew up hearing their parents and their grandparents singing these songs.
@foundring1And it became... Just the intrinsic part of the identity of us, of our peoples. And America in particular, every place has its own history, but we have a special part of this story because of our more rural life and our landscape, the wide open spaces, we were less susceptible. to the industrialization that happened during the 1800s and where places like England they were they during the industrial revolution things changed quickly and that rural lifestyle was wiped out rather fast and so we Americans were actually preserving their traditional music styles over in Europe and England
@foundring1They were finding the people singing these songs through the mid-1900s that were popular in England hundreds of years earlier. In other words, your grandmother remembering these songs shows just how important singing them was. Not just because they have a nice melody, no, because they provided a This cultural cohesion in a way that, yeah, we have today, people are united through pop music, but it was deeper than that because there was something so visceral about that, about gathering around the fire.
@foundring1You're remembering grandma singing this. It was something that it touched people on a deep, deep level. And again, part of the reason why that cultural heritage was erased and replaced, and it happened in a big way around the early 20th century, right around World War I, Federal Reserve, the Bolshevik Revolution, all these changes to quote modernity happened and all of a sudden the past became verboten, no pun intended, and these cultural, these histories were either just murdered and erased or they were deemed racist or unmentionable or quaint or whatever when they were really
@foundring1Again, an intrinsic part of what makes a national cultural identity and heritage. And music was a big part of that. So it's no surprising that music has been weaponized. And I love the comment about the rhyming and how it makes people believe things more. And yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. A rhyme indicates intelligence.
@foundring1It means you were clever and you thought about it. And therefore, people want to believe
@joann_marieI love that. Ian randomly rhymes accidentally all the time. It's hilarious. No, I'm loving this space, Foundring. And also, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And please bookmark it. It helps so much with the algorithm. And follow Ian and Rabbi and our super special guest, TinfoilHatSong.
@joann_marieAnd it's amazing. And I know it's a cover from Al... Whatever his last name is, I forgot. I'm blanking right now. But it's such a great song. So hopefully you can play a bit of it.
@foundring1I love that you know me, but you can't remember Weird Al Yankovic's name. That makes me feel good.
@joann_marieYou're way better, way better. And your version is a lot better, too.
@foundring1Yeah, that was one of the first Foundring songs that really went full conspiracy. That song is 12 years old. I'm so old. I made that in 2014, man.
@foundring1What a time, though. That was a wild west of the internet still when we were able to joke about that kind of stuff. But anyway, I really appreciate you. Thank you for being so sweet.
Speaker 12No, you're amazing and so talented.
@joann_marieAll right, let's go to a couple of hands. Turki, welcome. Go for it.
@nance726Me? I just went. My hand's down.
@joann_marieNo, Turki. Sorry, my accent is insane. I'm sorry. Turki. Turki. I don't know.
Speaker 13Joanne, you literally caught me at the worst time.
@joann_marieOkay, I'll go to someone else.
Speaker 13Don't tell me what you're doing. It's okay. I'll pause it. I'll pause it. It's okay. No, I just wanted to say to Foundring, man, I really appreciate all the historical music that you've been playing because I feel like it brings kind of everyone together. And it makes us laugh at all the problems that we face as a society and brings it together in a historical sense, which is kind of different.
Speaker 13I don't know anyone else that does anything like this, like you do. So it's so much appreciated.
@foundring1and it's uh it's also really fucking funny which which adds to it so thank you i really appreciate that and i i just wanted to say how i was even i was surprised look a lot of the especially since we're talking about these like these old songs and bringing people together um people in the in the ragtime old music We obviously have known about these songs for a while, and a lot of people are very ashamed and embarrassed of them.
@foundring1And then when I started to really, really read the words, and I'm like, wait, this isn't as bad as I thought it might be. It looks kind of bad. But of course, I wasn't really sure how people would react. And then I was totally pleasantly surprised to see Again, the vast majority of comments expressed exactly what you say.
@foundring1And that it was, people were laughing together and being like, all right, this is, I can't believe this. This is ridiculous. But it's like, oh, wow. I didn't realize that people were joking. People are having the same, similar conversations as we are today. And they were joking about them. I mean, like I said, a lot of these songs are basically a Chappelle show or a South Park skit in a song.
@foundring1And that was the type of humor at the time. And all sense of nuance is gone. Today, it's so strange how today they're like, oh, well, that gangster rap when he's talking about shooting up and doing drugs, all that, that's just art. He's being an artist. It's all just satire. But then when you point out these songs from 150 years ago, they're like, oh, no, this is real.
@foundring1This is exactly how they felt. This is a true reflection of the time. In other words, they're affording the people today, they're letting them
@foundring1A juice that we're like, you know, I love your Oy Vey Shut It Down song. I think it's hilarious. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. That's the whole, I had trannies being, telling me they love my You Will Never Be A Woman song. Because the song is kind of, it's very tongue in cheek. It's parody. It makes fun, good parody and good satire makes fun of everybody.
@foundring1And so I, in a lot of these songs, I'm kind of making fun of both sides of the argument, the extremes of the argument, right? And that's what proper, Parody and Satire is, and the notion that you can just be, you don't have to be Weird Al Yankovic to write a parody song, right? They created this, oh, only if this is your profession, you can't be just some random YouTuber, right?
@foundring1Everything that you sing must be real, right? Or you must be beholden to them as an expression of your innermost beliefs and everything. And I'm like, no, I should be able to sing about whatever I want. And that's just what I'm going to do. As long as I'm not maybe calling for actual violence or something that is explicitly illegal, I should be able to sing about flat earth or Jews running the banks or space being fake.
@foundring1All these things, maybe there's truth in some of them. Maybe there's not. But the notion that you should only expose yourself to stuff that you believe in is counter to We are here to experience adversity and diversity and all these different things, this melting pot of humanity and it's what we make of this journey that we are all on together.
@foundring1that I think defines us as a people. And again, they want us fighting with each other instead of laughing with each other. And yes, that includes laughing at our differences. And that includes stereotypes, which often exist for a reason. I feel like that's what really drew me to this era of music that has been so discarded and cast aside.
@foundring1I'm finding songs written by Jews Making Fun of How Jews Are Greedy, written by Jewish composers. I find Irish songs written by Irish composers being like, I'm an old drunk Irish man, I beat my wife, right? It was a way for people to lower down their inhibitions, laugh together at these stereotypes. And when you're able to do that, it kind of disincentivizes these behaviors because people are allowed to mock them and allowed to tease them and allowed to make fun of them.
@foundring1And the notion of self-deprecating humor people like we were talking about Scott Joplin the black ragtime writer he was a little bit embarrassed about the reputation that some blacks were getting at the time of being violent using razors and stuff like that and he and a lot of the black composers were writing songs mocking that behavior and but not to celebrate it like gangster rap today but instead to show yeah we acknowledge that this is a part of our culture that we don't like and we're gonna we're gonna laugh about it
@foundring1And when you do that, when you're allowed to do that, it disincentivizes this behavior, right? When the Irish guy is making fun of the drunk Irishman, it's like, yeah, okay, maybe I won't have that extra pint tonight. I won't beat my wife in no tomorrow, right? I'm just kidding, right? But so this historical, we have been dealing with these differences for millennia, and they don't want us to achieve that unity today.
@foundring1And when I think that, sharing this music from the past is just one way that we can actually unite people and they want to say it's all evil and racist and some white supremacists or whatnot because it's not it's inherently not it's about celebrating all cultures and and all you know american music got inspired and influenced by europe by african people by everybody it was it was uh
@foundring1We all contributed, and we all have a piece of that history, and we should all be proud of that history. And it shouldn't be, oh, Blacks did this and Whites did this. No, Americans, we did this. We created this together as a people, and the beauty of the past should be embraced and not disparaged. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
@malleusigThat's a good story. And also, one thing I've noticed is that when you are able to talk about stereotypes, It's actually, in human society, it's kind of like a hazing. It kind of forms the same function as hazing does, where once we've made sure that you can take a joke about yourself and not flip out and stab anyone, then you can be accepted into the social group.
@malleusigBut if you are super thin-skinned and you are a little bit psychotic, every time someone rubs you the wrong way, you're going to flip out and get violent. then we know we can't hang with you and what it really seems to me is that we're encouraging everyone to become like totally thin-skinned and to flip out at the slightest perceived or imagined slight because that keeps us from hanging out with each other it keeps us from it keeps us isolated it keeps us from bonding it keeps us from finding common ground amongst ourselves and we all know how separating rule works
@malleusigYou know, divide and rule. We're being divided, and we're being divided psychologically now instead of geographically.
@thenaturalord3rYeah, I just wanted to say that, you know, we all have special gifts here. Ian and Joanne are fantastic speakers, and they're all right, but they're also great at bringing people together and coordinating these wonderful spaces. You have Their editor, I'm so sorry, I forgot his name, so shout him out, who has made this wonderful website and archives everything.
@thenaturalord3rYou have thinkers, you have writers, you have philosophers, and when I do MySpace in a few days, we're going to be talking about my book and how to fix the problems that we're facing. But we all have so many talents that we could all put to use. You know, the farmer guy that was out here, I didn't catch most of that, but he had some great solutions too.
@thenaturalord3rBut what I think makes Foundring so unique is that he has a lot of skills that I would say 99.9% of the population doesn't have. You know, his musical skills and the way that he's able to poke fun, bring back history with some of the older songs, and also just go after the narrative. Like the Erica Kirk song, or the Everything is Fake and Gay song, or all the stuff that he does, his handwritten compositions.
@thenaturalord3rIt's a great way to, the Oy Vey Shut It Down one was great too, but you know, the way, any way that we can make a dent, any sort of impact into the
@thenaturalord3rAny way that we can fight them and fight what we're going through. We need all the gifts and talents that we can get and you, my friend, are one of the most talented of them all. So, I salute to you and I'm grateful for your friendship and I'm looking forward to see the next zone that you come out with and I think everyone in here
@thenaturalord3ris super appreciative that you came in here and that you've done a really, really, really awesome job. And I'm real proud of you. And I know Ian is too as well. And so is Joanne.
@joann_marieHi, thank you so much, PBJ. And Foundring, are you back? Sorry, I couldn't bring you up. This app is so glitchy.
@joann_marieAre you back?
Speaker 12He's not talking, right?
Ian MalcolmNot yet.
Speaker 12Oh no, so glitchy.
Speaker 14Well, you start to say certain words and then there's little noses in the nest that try to shut you down.
@nance726I've also never seen, we've had so many great guests that Ian and Joanne have brought on, but I've never seen Joanne fangirl quite like this, so that is really saying something about Foundring.
@joann_marieI love songs, like I love music so much. And he's so talented.
@thenaturalord3rHe's a virtuoso, he really is. I've never seen somebody so musically talented in my life.
Speaker 12Oh, she's reciting again.
Speaker 12Alright, well.
@sagecutterIs he back?
Speaker 12He's not. He's in the listeners. I mean, he's probably listening.
@sagecutterHe's fascinating, right? Culturally, his handle on the effects of music on culture is fascinating me. Like, this dude should be teaching a history and philosophy of musical composition course at the collegiate level. Like, what the fuck? I feel like I got a free course tonight. And it fascinates me because I'll tell you why it's fascinating.
@sagecutterBecause I've always been fascinated by the effects of culture on the hive mind. I always talk about cultural marquees. We have these cultural marquees through American history. You could pick any one of them. Whatever quite your fancy as a teenager, maybe it was Nike sneakers, right? It was a cultural marquee. Everyone wanted to be in that club, right?
@sagecutterEveryone wanted to be part of. Maybe they felt it showed that they were successful or they were hip or whatever it was, it was a cultural thing, right? We have different things throughout American history that are cultural. Harley-Davidson is a cultural marquee. It's a representation of freedom, right? They don't like free thinkers.
@sagecutterFree thinkers and artists are free thinkers by definition, right? So they're dangerous. They polarize people. It's like Andy Warhol. We all know who Andy Warhol is. I hated his fucking artwork. I thought it was retarded. But it got my attention, right? It polarized everyone. Everyone had an opinion. So when I listen to a guy like him who's breaking down music at that level,
@sagecutterUm, I don't think, I mean, most of us know we love a song or we hate a song, but to understand the reasons why you love something or hate something, that's a different level of talent. And to be able to do what he does where like he's making friends while he's offending them, like that's, that's the skills of like a comedian.
@sagecutterLike comedians always got away with political, um, with, uh, with jokes that you couldn't tell in polite society. Comedians got away with it. Like he was mentioning with the court jester. But comedy, that was one of the beauties of comedy is they said the things that we were all thinking and we all got to laugh in a dark crowd, right?
@sagecutterAnd then after like somewhere along the lines with Chappelle or something, you know, they began to shut that down. They're clamping down on our freedoms, right? So when I listen to a guy like him, it all ties back to me. Like what are the ties that bind Americans? because we're all different ethnically, culturally, religiously.
@sagecutterSo what are those ties? Well, we all believe in rugged individualism and we all believe in liberty. So they do not like to see too much freedom being exercised because they know that that's how they lost control in England. So I really do believe that culture is a huge piece of this puzzle. All they need to do is remove the tie that binds us.
@sagecutterAnd culture is such an excellent tie. Whether it's art, whether it's music, whether it's hobbies, it could be sport. There's so many different American cultural marquees and they're going after all of them. They're attacking all of them at the root, right? Putting that sloppy crap rap music in our face with the horrible lyrics, teaching our kids all that crap, the violent video games.
@sagecutterThey are completely polluting the culture so that they can break down all of those ties that bind us because we're not bound by religion. You can practice whatever you want here. We're not bound by ethnicity. You can be any fucking color you want in the United States. The only thing that we insist upon is that you believe in that constitution.
@sagecutterYou believe in rugged individualism and individual liberty, right? So they're just slowly eroding all these little things while we're working 60, 70 hours a week. It's a weird thing. So he fascinates me on a different level. It's incredible. He's an incredible... A great thinker. Thanks for the mic Ian, by the way. I've never had a chance to talk to you.
@sagecutterI've been in your spaces a lot, but I've never had an opportunity to interact with you guys. What a great space.
@joann_marieIt's been a fantastic one. Thank you so much for coming up and hopefully you'll come up more often. And I loved everything you said. And I mean, about Andy Warhol, I mean, I think art is a mirror of society. Like in that moment, it literally tells you what's going on in society. So what's happening right now with art, that...
@joann_marieIt doesn't feel like art. It literally feels like they set shit on fire and then they're calling it art.
@malleusigThat's literally what it was. It's crazy, right? And that's exactly how I felt about Amy Warhol.
@joann_marieThey're like, oh, this is beautiful. And you're like, this is literal shit. It's like, how is this?
@malleusigIt was social engineering. It was an attempt to find out how much, what kind of absolute garbage they could trick people I can't believe that! That's impossible! I know, shocking
@malleusigAbsolutely shocking.
Speaker 14I think Guggenheim is one of the ones that died on the Titanic.
@malleusigIs that the one that is supposed to have the tunnels underneath it with the child trafficking stuff going on, or is that something else? It's near there. It's near there, yeah.
@nance726We were having this conversation about the music in another space a couple days ago, and I was bringing up at work, I worked with some younger kids there, and and they'll you know some of the younger guys right and they'll be playing like sexy red and referring themselves as a bad bitch and it's like bro like and i'll let them play the music for like a couple songs and then whenever they play some of that shit and then i throw on some like Slipknot or Mudvayne or something just to just to be like no this is what men listen to when i grew up this is why we're men not like buying purses and and calling ourselves bad bitches but like that's the music that they listen to and then that's how they refer that's how they talk to each other and it's just like
@nance726Bro, you guys don't even realize how deceived you're being and how manipulated you're being. But that's what it is, and that's what's cultural to them. And it's really disgusting. And when you see it live in action, you see dudes twerking to sexy red, white dudes, and you're just like, what the?
@malleusigIt's heartbreaking, really. It really is. And what they're doing is they're utilizing that pathway we talked before about how the mind doesn't really critically evaluate music. They're using it to get people to buy into ideas and to accept behaviors that otherwise would be odious. They'd be completely offensive to any kind of conscious thought.
@malleusigAnd this is why I think that, I mean, you brought up Sexy Red and I'll bring up Megan Thee Stallion. It's like, you basically have a song that tells young black girls that the only thing that's really worth anything to them is their wet ass pussy. And it's like, If the KKK was writing songs, how would this be any different?
@malleusigBut black people are like, no, this is our thing. This is like our culture. It's like, no, it's not. One of the biggest swindles in the world is convincing black people that hip hop was their culture. It wasn't. This is not their culture. They're being sold a dysfunctional culture that is essentially aimed at destroying them.
@malleusigand they're being tricked into paying good money for it on top of that. But I wanted to... Sorry, what's up?
@thenaturalord3rI was going to say it all started with Ice Cube and Rick Rubin. With the name Rick Rubin, I don't have to explain much. But he was behind a lot of this stuff. You know, you look at the music of the 60s, they were such great... African American Groups, The Drifters, Jackie Wilson, Smokey Robinson, The Miracles, Motown, The Bladders, really, really beautiful things.
@thenaturalord3rAnd then when you look, Rick Rubin came in, and now there's probably thousands of Rick Rubins pushing all this stuff.
@malleusigI wouldn't call them Rick Rubins. I don't think they're up to the same level.
@nance726When you look at some of these songs, I don't know if WAP is particularly one of them, but many of these black female, quote, rap artists, when you actually look at who writes their songs, I had a little bit of a deep dive on this when I got into an argument with somebody about how, oh, they write all their own songs. Well, no, actually when you look at it, and I can't remember their guys' names, but there's two Jewish guys.
@nance726That are the, you know, quote, co-writers of almost all of these hit female rap songs. That all the sexually explicit ones, it's the same, if you go and look on Wikipedia and look for the song credits, it's the same two Jewish guys that are the writers of most of these songs.
@joann_marieFor the longest time, I thought Megan Thee Stallion, Cardi B, and some other person were the same one. Like, I had no idea they were two different ones. They basically are. I feel like two years ago, I was like, what? There's three of them? That's crazy.
@nance726The same Jewish guys write all their songs, Joanne, so that makes sense.
@joann_marieWell, I don't know any of their songs. I just know that... I have heard a couple, but, like, on the radio, but I don't know. Like, if you told me, like, who's these ones, I have no idea.
@malleusigI am really, one of the things that really disturbs me was when I started seeing people like this, like Million Stallion and Cardi B, right? When I started seeing, it's almost like there's a race to see, like, to turn, like, the women who you would, like, in the 80s, you would, like, see in the back three or four pages of the cheapest porn magazine you can find, right?
@malleusigAnd make them into musical stars. It's a very weird dynamic. and I have no idea how it was even allowed to happen. But when you say things like the same two Jewish people are writing all the songs, it starts to click and make sense.
Ian MalcolmFoundring, I'm kind of curious because there's this idea of the dog king. I'm not sure if you've heard about this. This concept, right, that in some societies they would literally put a dog as the ruler of the municipality or the locality or what have you for the explicit purpose of demoralizing the citizenry, right? It's like, you no longer get a king.
Ian MalcolmInstead, you get a chihuahua and we'll put a crown on it. You have to worship at the feet of it just to demoralize the people. And to Rabbi's comment there about, you know, the sexy red and all this other nonsense. I mean, I... I would rather listen to that fictional artist than I would any of this rap music. And I almost feel like the black community, to Rabbi's point, it's like, how are these no talent clowns getting lifted up as celebrities?
Ian MalcolmAnd I feel like it's just for the explicit purpose of celebrating something that is so grotesque and pathetic. that everything else that follows is just going to be even more grotesque and more pathetic and the people that might have interesting, you know, looking at a piano and trying to teach themselves a musical talent, right?
Ian MalcolmInstead, they're just going to be like, well, why would I even bother when I can't be as talented as Sexy Red or whatever the nonsense is of the latest song?
@malleusigI have a hamster that's as talented as Sexy Red. It's not exactly a high bar to shoot for.
@sagecutterI'm betting that hamster has more talent.
@thenaturalord3rThat hamster is... Hamster's got a higher IQ too. Hamster is live, Joanne.
@joann_marieYes, hamster is live.
@malleusigHamster is probably addicted to fewer drugs.
@joann_marieFoundring must be like, what the fuck is happening? I'm so sorry. Weird inner jokes about hamsters and midgets.
@sagecutterFoundring, can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmWhat about midget hamsters, Joanne?
@sagecutterFoundring, I want you to hear this compliment. You should be teaching the history and philosophy of musical composition at the collegiate level, bro. What are you doing?
@foundring1I'm getting systematically cancelled. I've been fired from both the university and community college locally.
@malleusigHe's pissed off to hamsters. He pissed off the squirrels, unfortunately. He really has no choice but to find an alternate timeline to live on from this point.
@sagecutterBy the way, Foundring, have you ever heard Bob Dylan's Murder Most Foul?
@foundring1Yeah, I sent that to my dad, because my dad always loved Bob Dylan, but he hated conspiracy theories.
@foundring1He didn't believe in the JFK conspiracy, so I was like, here, check it out.
@sagecutterI put that down in the blue pill for everyone. I want everyone to listen to it. It's like 16 minutes long, but it's a lyric video so you can follow along. It was one of Bob Dylan's last original pieces that he recorded on his last album. Remember, he's a fucking old man now. He can say what he wants. I don't think he cares when he dies or how he dies.
@sagecutterSo anyhow, what he does is he talks about the JFK conspiracy, the murder of JFK in the beginning, the first three, four minutes, and then he speaks of all of the relevant cultural events that followed after that. And basically, the way I read it is he's tying, what he's telling you is, I don't want to interpret it for him.
@sagecutterListen to it. You'll get the picture. People wondered why he released it. I think he released it because he was sick and tired of keeping the truth down. It's a poem. It's not really a song. It's more of a spoken poem with music in the background. It's genius. I think it ties all of this conversation we're having about culture back into music and manipulating the people.
@sagecutterIt's awesome. I recommend everyone listen to it.
@foundring1Well, and it speaks to the power of music, I just wanted to add, in that if you try to show someone a documentary about it, most people are not going to be engaged in it, but you put on something like that, and then you get into that more suggestive state, and you got someone with the lyrical acuity of a Bob Dylan, and you basically have the...
@foundring1The workings out for an alchemical magical spell. It breaks through decades of propaganda and barriers that people have put up. And then once that initial taste happens, the rest is history. And then you'll keep going in a lot of cases. So it's a powerful, powerful tool.
@malleusigOn that topic, and this is what I wanted to bring up earlier, Foundring, I'm assuming you know who Trevor Moore is, right?
Speaker 7Yeah, definitely.
@joann_marieDefinitely. I don't.
@foundring1Who is it? Why does he know? So I would say, yeah, he was obviously very effective for his comedy sketches that he did with that group. But the reason why someone like a Trevor Moore, I think, has the extra power was so much of it was with music. He did so much good music in his skits. And already when you're a comedian, people are lowering their inhibitions with that goofy approach that they do.
@foundring1And it's like, oh yeah, we're watching a skit. Let's laugh about it. But then when you combine the truth nukes and then a catchy tune, it's a very lethal thing. And you have to wonder about all the folks that have left us earlier than they should have. especially when in times like COVID like so we lost Trevor I want to say 2021 2022 but when everyone else was very mysterious circumstances everyone was very just distracted and I think it really flew under the radar um you know you got to wonder about that about that but um I'm I'm definitely not suicidal and I don't like to go near balconies or use lapel mics yeah but
@joann_marieI googled him, I do know who he was, but I forgot his name. He was awesome, yeah.
@malleusigWould it be alright if we played a little bit of Trevor Moore for the people who don't know who he is?
Ian MalcolmYeah, go for it. And Rabbi, while you're getting that, Foundring, it's curious because obviously, and at some point we should actually do a space if you'd be interested in walking through the history of the CIA and obviously the Doors and all of these other kind of musical groups that kind of came out of Daffy, why don't you take a mic?
@foundring1He'll tell you all about the CIA and rock and roll. Right, Daff?
Speaker 9All right, thank you. We have Candance that came up. Hey, Candance. Oh, I think Daffy is coming up now. Hi, how are you guys?
Ian MalcolmVery well. Welcome aboard.
Speaker 9Welcome.
@sagecutterJack. Daffy, do not hold back on these people. They deserve the truth.
@daphnekmorrowI'm not going to hold back, but I was going to cry earlier because I've been following Foundring for...
@sagecutterYeah, the guy's a freaking genius. Where the fuck has he been?
@daphnekmorrowWhere have I been? But he's just like, when I'm in a bad mood, I'll go to his page and I'll listen to something. So I don't talk about my mother. I talk about my dad all the time. My dad was in the CIA, but I never talk about my mother. And so I grew up in music. Music is like... I just grew up around music. Everything was music.
@daphnekmorrowEverything I had, we... Everything was music. Everyone I knew had a music studio in their house. I don't want to go into all the details, but I'll just say...
@sagecutterI mean, I can go into some details, but just like... How about you recount a little bit of your dad's relationship with...
@daphnekmorrowI will do... I'll do that... In a second, but I want to talk about my mother for a minute because I never talk about my mother. And so my mom went to school with Bob Weir. And she used to climb out her bedroom window, sneak out at night, and she would ride her bike down Highway 101 in California from Palo Alto from her home
@daphnekmorrowThese poetry readings and these ragtime jug musical performances in these coffee houses at night when she was like in high school. She was a Catholic school girl. And to sneak out. And I didn't know this. My uncle told me this about her. And the reason I bring it up is because If music can make a teenage girl sneak out of her house under the threat of being grounded by her parents, you know, it's incredibly powerful.
@daphnekmorrowLike kids wanting to go, we didn't, they didn't have cell phones. They didn't have Apple streaming. You know, they heard it was all word of mouth. There's going to be a concert down at the coffee house and such and such place. So she, That was her intro or entree into poetry, meter, right? Music, meter.
@daphnekmorrowMy greatest mentors have always been elderly men over 60, but not all of them, not all of them. Some select men were elderly men and they imparted their wisdom and just... They're treasures, treasures to me. But when I was younger, for some reason, men wanted to serenade me. I don't know why, just it was a thing. Obviously, a person who's going to serenade me, they know how to work a guitar or something, right?
@daphnekmorrowSo it's really fascinating to me, the role of music, what it has been in my life. So what Jack wants me to talk about is my father's job. He worked in the CIA and his assignment in San Francisco was to infiltrate the rock and roll industry.
@daphnekmorrowHe was a part of the Janis Joplin, Grateful Dead, Beatnik, Not the beatniks, but the post-beatniks psychedelic subcultures in San Francisco. So I think that's what he wants me to talk about, really. But I mean, what I really wanted to talk about was how something that Foundring touched on earlier about Pythagoras.
@daphnekmorrowSo Pythagoras had a theory that the universe is a song and that every individual is its own piece of music. And some individuals will be a really kind of beautiful piece of music, and some individuals will be a very twisted and very distorted and warped piece of music. And then someone brought up the Eyes Wide Shut. Georgie Ligeti piece, and I posted that down in the Purple Pill.
@daphnekmorrowThat is a little bit of a distorted, twisted piece of music, if you ask me, right? Yeah, I would say so. Right?
@foundring1Yeah, Ligeti was a weird dude, too, yeah.
@daphnekmorrowWhat do you think of that, though, the Pythagoras, Pythagorean...
@foundring1It's all about frequency, totally, and we are expressions of... I think that there's a profound truth hiding in there somewhere for sure.
@joann_marieWhat you said about the CIA, I remember that I read that under Sidney Gottlieb, they gave the Grateful Dead groupie a lot of acid and they would drive around after the band and they would just get everybody high and then they would just see what they did and it's pretty crazy. It's insane that your dad was doing those things.
@joann_marieI don't understand why. Go ahead, Daph. Tell them. This is not the space for that, though.
@daphnekmorrowThe main thing I wanted to talk about was how powerful music is.
@joann_marieWe're living in an era where we've got the phones and all of this, but they didn't have any of that back in the...
@daphnekmorrowYou know, 60s and 70s. And in this ragtime era, I learned how to... I took jazz dance. I took a lot of ballet and jazz, and I learned how to dance jazz to the ragtime Newman, ragtime records. Those were some of the pieces that we danced to. So it's a part of my life.
@daphnekmorrowMy curiosity about music stems from my childhood. I've had people write pieces of music for me. And I wanted to ask you, Foundry, so this man wrote a piece of piano music for me and the lyrics, the only ones I can remember were, I thought you ought to know me. I'm not your regular driver. I've come especially to take you to where your soul wants to be right now.
@daphnekmorrowAnd I wanted to send you that because he's passed away and it was a piece of piano music and I thought maybe you could pick that up and maybe work your magic and make something out of it. I don't know, is that too much?
Speaker 7You don't have the music anymore?
@daphnekmorrowNo, but it was, you know, I'm not, my mother was a pianist and I can't remember what all the right keys are. Very far to the right.
@daphnekmorrowWhat are those keys? Very far to the right.
@foundring1Those are generally the higher, I mean, the higher ones.
@joann_marieThey just keep repeating themselves over and over and they're just like either low or high, but they're like basically the same ones.
@daphnekmorrowSo it was like, I thought you ought to know me. I'm not your regular driver. I can't say it because I'm not a singer. I've come especially to take you to where your soul wants to be right now. And then he would laugh this haunting laugh like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And with the high, very, very high pitched right keyboard, right notes.
@foundring1You know, it just goes to show what, how... It was just this one moment in your life, then here you are so many years later. I mean, if you'd probably even just written a note or something, you'd probably be like, oh, whatever, what's this weird thing? But he paired it with that extra bit of that creative je ne sais quoi, and then it becomes almost immortalized, what we were talking about with grandmas.
@foundring1Alzheimer's, and they don't know who you are, but goodness, they will recite all the hymns that they learned as a schoolgirl. And I think people don't realize just how present music is for and how important it is for these, especially spiritual experiences, whether it can be love or it can be worship in a place of worship.
@foundring1You go into that space and what are you going to hear 99% of the time is some sort of Thank you so much for being here.
@foundring1who have this connection through their families to certain intelligence agencies. For me, I was exposed to a little bit of that. I'm not sure if I had that in my family. I know my great-grandfather was an admiral in World War II, but he was exposed through to technology, high-tech. I wouldn't say flying saucers but stuff exotic propulsion shall we call it and it got my grandmother into interested in that through her dad my great-grandfather and so she got really into aliens so she's really I mean she's you know kind of kooky I love her she's still around she's in her 90s kooky grandma uh aliens she loved aliens she loved I was like
@foundring1and she's like you know aliens are blah blah blah I'm like okay cool grandma but she would have these conventions where with different researchers and stuff and I would be around and I would meet and I would talk and I kind of was just all right these funny old people talking about aliens and stuff but I came to learn over the years that a lot of those were it was just heavily
@foundring1That whole world is heavily infiltrated by the CIA and intelligence agencies for their own nefarious purposes, right? And it's just... And even music was... I remember I met a guy who was NSA, and he told me that he was contracted by the NSA to create a system of codes that could be...
@foundring1A piece of music could actually have an occult message in it, let alone a recording with a hidden audio or something backwards that's a satanic chant or whatever. There's something to be said about that, just using music as a means of communication, consciousness elevation, mind control. And I do think we were talking about the kind of up and down.
@foundring1of Creativity and Society and Tyranny and yada yada yada. But how in the 60s, there was this brief moment of time where the Black community was producing a lot of quality art. Same thing was happening 50 years earlier, where there was this moment where Blacks and whites, but particularly from the Black community, they were creating a lot of great, good stuff.
@foundring1And then both times they got, I feel, usurped those movements and redirected into something that was less, It was wholesome. And it's happened. They came after the white boy bands that were a thing when I was a kid in the 90s, early 2000s. This notion of starting a band with your buddies and going hard or doing whatever.
@foundring1That got strongly replaced on purpose, artificially, with hip-hop and this manufactured pop that scarcely resembles... I know there's been some tongue-in-cheek joking a bit lately about how USAID was shut down. And then all of a sudden, hip-hop is no longer in the top 50 popular songs. And you're getting that country white chick with her songs are now becoming popular in the WAP.
@foundring1Cardi B's are declining. I think it's going to come back. It's always a cycle. I think that there has been a battle. It's like a war is happening on all fronts. We are inundated with a problem. It's a war for your mind, as Alex Jones has said. And we don't realize how much music is at a center part of that, even going back to what I was talking about during the Renaissance and how the church was resisting man using...
@foundring1These sounds to reach new heights, kind of they weren't against the creativity, but perhaps they were concerned that it would be used by the wrong people, right? And kind of like what I was saying about that judge in the 1890s, and he said, you know, you shouldn't be singing about a woman being hot. Children might sing that.
@foundring1And, you know, I can't remember who was saying about how these young boys are... Doing what that red chick or whatever her name is, and they're saying, I'm the bad bitch and all that. Children are very susceptible to this. And that judge in the 1890s had a lot of foresight. Not that that song was such an evil song, but he foresaw a time when that type of, it would infiltrate what was considered popular and common, and that would have, again, a deleterious effect.
@foundring1And I think we saw that happen. recently more recently with how hip-hop generally started out pretty legitimate and like an honest art form but then it quickly got taken over um and i think we saw i in my experience i'm seeing a similar story and narrative during the ragtime era as that evolved into jazz and then the more the modern stuff where this type of exceedingly racially divisive stuff
@foundring1The more sexual nature of the lyrics, you start to see sheet music companies with Stein and Berg and all these things and Rosenfeld and all. And not that it was from the top down conspiracy from the very beginning, but certain financial interests changed the motivation of music and the reason why you would want to create.
@foundring1to become a very much more superficial and commercial thing and less a genuine artistic expression. Of course, this took time to fully subvert, but the birth, the origin of that seems to have been right around that, around World War I, around that Federal Reserve time when the sense of national identity was on the rise and people were proud to be American or Russian or,
@foundring1English, and so they literally had to concoct several world wars to get us to kill each other to get rid of that unity and in while everyone was busy fighting with each other they infiltrated the arts or they murdered them it depends on in the Bolsheviks they just killed what did they do they now the Bolshevik revolution they go for the they they went to the universities and killed the the intellectuals
@foundring1They killed the musicians, the conductors. These were the people that were trained in the cultural history of their places. They knew the Mahler symphonies, Wagner operas, right? This was something that was inherent in the identities of these peoples, and that needed to go away. And it needed to be homogenized, racially, but also artistically, and not the type of fusion that I think is a positive thing, where
@foundring1Fusion is when you take different culture, different music from different places, and then you kind of combine them, but they maintain their separate identities at the end of the day. You can combine two song styles, but then at the end of the day, they can still be separated. Where as opposed to if you combine all races and all people, they become, you can't separate them anymore.
@foundring1They've already been homogenized. You lose that. So art becomes this realm where you can share cultural ideas. You can cross contaminate with different races and peoples. But it stays in that intangible realm where you can all, at the end of the day, still take home your cultural, your heritage. And as a young white male growing up in a liberal area and here I am trying to play, quote, black people music, I was...
@foundring1I was heavily discouraged from doing so, told I was culturally appropriating, told I was being racist, I couldn't be playing this. And I didn't care. I just liked to play because it sounded good and it was fun. And then now I've come to learn that this music was pioneered by all of us, by all races. It belongs to all Americans.
@foundring1And the notion that there is a racial ownership of certain ideas or styles or jazz or whatnot is... Not only historically false, but it's a pernicious lie that was planted. And I don't even blame black people for saying, we invented blues and jazz and hip hop and stuff, even though there's evidence that that wasn't true.
@foundring1They want to have that proud heritage, but they should be proud to be Americans, not black. I mean, they can be proud to be black and they can be proud to be white. But at the end of the day, we... All contributed to this movement together as Americans. And we need to be proud of that heritage. And we can address the cultural inequalities of the time without it being some horrible, racist thing.
@foundring1Well, we can't even talk about that. We can't even discuss this history. Well, they don't want us discussing it because they don't want us to find these nuances. They don't want us to realize that the people back then were very much like you and I, going through the exact same things and struggles and hopes and dreams.
@foundring1They lived very complex and incredible lives and they set the tone for what we have all the creature comforts of society today and all the rules and all that. And music again is a way that it can preserve that world far better than almost anything else. So that is why music has become under attack. Not only the history of music, but just the whole culture about
@foundring1What music is for, it's now just this commodity. It's now this just, it's background. It's just, it's degenerate, yada, yada, yada. When it was once something way more powerful and uniting and momentous. It really was a cultural defining phenomenon. And we gotta, we have to hold onto that. And that includes the good, the bad, and the ugly.
@foundring1And that is... I wanted to ask about bird songs and how birds learn from the parent, right? Do you understand what I'm asking in nature?
@daphnekmorrowEverything in nature is about mimicry, I mean, in terms of music. So the birds learn how to sing from the parents. So something has happened in humans where we don't, like our songs and our learning from, like our music, the soul of who we are, As humans and the frequency, it's been disrupted. And I feel like, like with the, like there's something, something happened.
@daphnekmorrowWe've lost something from our origins. I would take it even a step. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do. Like bird songs. Nothing in bird songs in nature has ever been disrupted. Those songs are ancient. But we don't know our musical history as human beings because they've been stolen from us. And so there's something about us, our nature, that's been completely disrupted.
@foundring1I love the Mockingbird. One of my first albums I made when I was a teenager was called Mockingbird. This notion of... Incorporating other experiences of other cultures, other birds, and then putting into your own repertoire and adding your own sort of touch to it. Maybe even making it better or making it different or whatever you want to do.
@foundring1That's like when I was playing the music earlier, I was kind of switching it up. I'm like, hey, check it out. I've learned this song, but I can kind of add my own little thing here. Or when I was on tour in different cultures and I would go and I'd play a little, I'd play a little Rachmaninoff, but then I might add a little Boogie Woogie style and they love that, right?
@foundring1It's like, You took our culture and then you combine it with yours and then we can have this moment to communicate. So I think that is the type of thing that you are pointing out is under attack. And birds are, because birds are just so natural, that's just, they're not anything other than what they are. They're just being in, they're not trying to prove anything other than maybe finding a mate, right?
@foundring1Which is why a lot of us do write music. It's like, you know, love songs are a thing. But... With Birdsong, I think it's a good analogy where they have messed with our frequency where we don't even have to be a musician to find your own song, right? Your own calling. A calling and a song, it's kind of similar metaphors.
@foundring1And it's even worse today in that people don't have it. They will actively rebel against you if you try to express that. And I kind of had to learn that the hard way. Granted, busking and playing music in a live setting is always tricky. You have to deal with people who are having a bad day or whatever. But there have been numerous times when playing, really getting into it and feeling just the happiness of the moment of the creation, it gets to certain people in a very visceral way where they just become enraged.
@foundring1And I've seen it enough times where it's like... Are these lizard people? It's something not human. I don't want to dehumanize them. Again, might be having a bad day. But there's something about creating frequency, creating sounds from a place of joy. Even if it doesn't sound great, it might not be the best in the world, but you're coming at it from an honest place.
@foundring1People should normally, traditionally, historically, would really react to that. Everyone was an amateur musician back in the day. The internet has sort of warped our perception, whereas now we can just pull up on our phones the greatest musicians of all time and be like, you could be in a live setting and be like, hey, look at this guy.
@foundring1He's way better than you. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure. But he's not here and I'm here and we are experiencing this together now. And the internet sort of messed with our, it brought a lot of us together, but it also messed with our sense of perspective, I think, and the notion where, Back in the day, music, everyone was just kind of, yeah, an amateur, but most people knew how to read music.
@foundring1They could carry a tune, more or less, and it was just common to hear someone singing or playing a piano or whatever, whereas today, it's almost, it's becoming rarer and rarer, and again, technology isn't all bad. It's nice that people are now using technology to create music, and I think that should be great, but the notion of just using your hands and your wits and your voice,
@foundring1I think it harkens back to a time where we still had that song. We still had our bird song. And certainly there's a lot of us out here that are still singing away, but it's been muted. It's been discouraged. It's been societally, it's like, oh, what are you trying to prove? Oh, you're just trying to get viral clicks. You're just trying to become famous.
@foundring1Yeah, you want to probably be heard, as everyone wants to be heard. Most people do. But the notion of just creating for creativity's sake is frowned upon and discouraged and shut down. Oy vey, they shut it down. And they want that creative agency. They want to create these fake characters, these pop stars or whatever, be like, look, there can only be one Taylor Swift per generation, when really she's just back 100 years ago, she would have been...
@foundring1An average talented, but an average performer. There were countless. There were many people that made their careers doing this, but no one was trying to become the only superstar in the world. Everyone was just trying to be genuine, do what they think is right, and create their own, manifest their own song, their own bird song.
@foundring1And for me, I'm the mockingbird.
@nance726So I just wanted to jump in on what you were talking about there before, Foundring, with how the hip-hop is out of the top 20 or whatever it is, and it's country now. I have a couple different points here, but one is that I think they, in a sense, have done what they wanted to do with some of the hip-hop, and now a lot of the country that's coming out, it's lost its soul from what it once was, and it's become more degenerate.
@nance726It's become more just meaningless and empty, and it's almost taken on the qualities of hip-hop. So it's like they poisoned the black culture and the inner-city culture enough, or at least they're happy with where that poisoning is. And now they're seeing, just like they saw with how they shut down Nu Metal, because too many young white men were getting empowered and getting angry.
@nance726And now the country was kind of making a little bit of a resurgence. and you know again that kind of had that down homey you know it was it was you know empowering some of the you know the white men it was getting kind of political and then they have gone and kind of subverted that and that's kind of they're making it kind of just empty for for lack of a better word uh so on the touch on that but then i also wanted to touch on uh when you go back to the hip-hop and somebody mentioned ice cube i think before ice tea either one of them they both actually have uh since spoken about this that uh
@nance726Back when they were popular and they were writing music and everything before they both became cops on TV shows just as a humiliation ritual, I think it was Ice Cube who spoke about how they were approached and not just approached but told by who they presumed at the time to be CIA, some kind of intelligence. They weren't given songs and told, hey, you have to sing this song, but they were told what they had to incorporate in their music.
@nance726and he's spoken about this. And it's interesting when you go and look at, and you can really tie all this together with the rap music, that the record labels at the time, and I would presume not much has changed, they were owned, and when I say owned, I mean very much by the same people or at least on the very same board of directors as the private prison industry.
@nance726And so you can see a direct thing of basically how to break down a culture, right? You went from the black culture in the 60s and 70s being more of a, you know, they were church going, a lot of them, they had their own businesses, you know, they were proud people and they were doing pretty well. And then you have the introduction in the, you know, in the 80s and 90s of this kind of, you know, this gangster rap that then broke down, you know, the structural of the society, right?
@nance726They had, they wanted to make it cool to be a drug dealer. and they wanted to you know and being a gangbanger and you know and pimping hoes and so and then that you know that spread gang culture so then you had a bunch of single mothers because the fathers were in prison and you had grandparents raising the kids but the grandparents are afraid to go outside because all the kids are gangbangers so you broke and then nobody's going to church anymore because they're too afraid to go outside and because the parents aren't in the home so they broke down that part of the culture and then when you come to where it's at you know in the in the 2000s to now
@nance726where a lot of that music has gone from being a drug dealer to a drug user because now they're going after the individual right they went after the the grandeur they went after the family they went after the community now the individual is vulnerable so now they're going after the individual so it's no longer about drug dealing it's about drug doing it's about making uh you know um uh like mental disorders seem like a cool thing everybody everybody's got anxiety everybody's depressed everybody's popping xanax you know
@nance726and so it's it's really if you if you like kind of uh you know look at it from you know you like uh pull out of it and kind of look it's the perfect way of how to how to get to an individual how to break down a culture and to make the individual vulnerable so that you can go after the individual and when you look at it from that frame it's you know it's evil as fuck but it's but it's also brilliant and and then you can see how they're they're kind of working that same kind of uh game plan
@nance726Now against other cultures to kind of do the same thing. And it's really disturbing when you look at it. And then again, when you really tie in the fact that it was the very same Jews who own the record labels, and I mean the same people who own the private prison complex that made it cool to go to prison. It was a rite of passage.
@nance726Oh, your daddy's in prison. Don't you want to be like your daddy that you didn't get to ever know because you went to prison and now you're selling drugs on the same corner as him? Like, it's really quite astounding when you look at it through that lens.
Speaker 9Foundring, would you like to add anything?
@foundring1I'm on board with all that.
@foundring1I just have a... Since I've been so in the weeds of these old tunes, what you are describing happened in the 60s, 70s, 80s, the hip-hop era, is exactly what I see happened... In the ragtime era, almost 100 years earlier, they're replaying the same thing. It's just fascinating to see how these cycles repeat themselves. I don't know.
@foundring1I just did this major deep dive into the history of American popular music to celebrate the 250th. I'm like, I want to know what popular songs people were listening to back in the beginning, right? And it's all just... It's all freedom and getting rid of tyrants and fighting for your beliefs to the death and appreciating family values, traditional family values and family life and nature and a lot of nature, a lot of bird songs, a lot of...
@foundring1It's what we knew. We came here and we were surrounded by nature and we were free. And that was the foundation of who we are as a people. And we were... Colonnized by a lot of different cultures, so we were having to deal with different backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, racial backgrounds. So this great experiment of America, for better or for worse, we became a target, I think, for these forces that want to do that dividing thing.
@foundring1And then once we started to get a little too uppity, we got a little too much freedom, people were getting along, people were laughing, whites and the blacks were... Making fun of each other, but laughing about it and smiling and not killing each other. And then I think that's when they swooped in. And we obviously got distracted by a couple of world wars.
@foundring1And then after that, what happened in the 60s? People started to get along again, started protesting wars, Vietnam wars. And then they got distracted with all sorts of nonsense. And that movement kind of got... And we got... They just repeated the same blueprint again and again, but just slightly with different variations, shall we say.
@foundring1And I think we are now entering a new renaissance. And ironically, all the censorship has the opposite effect. I mean, I would have just been... If they had just let me make my retarded ragtime videos, I would have just been doing that on YouTube and not really... and it's because that they really they they shut me down and it wasn't just me it was a lot of folks like me but then i was like okay i guess i'm gonna push back like i decided to write the songs about the topics where people couldn't take the joke you know i saw a few years ago a lot of the trans people were that i were visible were freaking out you can't joke about this and i'm like okay i'm going to joke about this so i wrote a song a few songs about that
@foundring1and what did i find was that actually most trans people were not freaking out about it they were it was actually just this vocal few you know and even some of the jew songs i wrote i'm like i got some jews are like i'm jewish and i love your your shut it down song i'm like oh that's great bro and people want to be able to to have these conversations and and discussions and america with our you know we do have the first amendment and obviously that has been
@foundring1I think that's why we have been such under a cultural attack.
@foundring1and they have infiltrated all the good parts of all cultures for whites and blacks and everyone. And music is a part of that. Drugs is part of that. Propaganda, the degenerate lifestyles, celebrating the opposite of what we would call human values, killing babies. All these things are a part of this multifaceted attack.
@foundring1But music is a huge part of that way more than A lot of people realize, and I didn't even realize until I started really thinking about it. I just took a lot of these things for granted and they push hard. And I think that we are now in this moment of an opportunity and we should try to take this chance while we can.
@malleusigWhat you described, Foundring, I think what you described with being canceled and then deciding you're going to push back harder on these topics you canceled for, that is purposeful on their part. Because they talk about how they actually love anti-Semitism. They actually enjoy it. They have an entire economy based off of creating anti-Semitism and then profiting off of it.
@malleusigAnd so what they really want is for people to... I mean, people go through what I've begun calling in my own head like the Gentile's journey, right? And what it means is, and I think all of us have been that, where you're a complete normie to start out with, and then... You interact with Jewish people at workplace or at school, whatever, and totally fine.
@malleusigAnd then a topic comes up. The topic can be Israel, or it can be synagogues, or it can be Jewish identity as they see it, right? And you have some questions. You're like, some of it doesn't make any sense. And you're not coming at it from a place of animosity or aggression. Just a lot of it doesn't make sense. And that's fair because a lot of the Jewish identity doesn't make any sense.
@malleusigA lot of it is logical garbage. And It's only natural that someone who's logic-minded and doesn't have any racial bias towards Jews, doesn't have any motivated thinking, is going to say, hold on a second, what's up with this? And let me go ask my Jewish friend. And then what usually follows is you get called a Nazi or an anti-Semite or a bigot, and then you get defamed in front of every Jewish person this person knows.
@malleusigAnd that starts... The Normie Off, because like now you haven't done anything wrong. But the reaction to your complete innocuous statement or question is just so outsized that it raises your curiosity like, whoa, what the fuck just happened? And it's not just curiosity. It's like you have to figure out what happened because now you've been branded, you've been defamed, and you have to defend yourself.
@malleusigAnd every attempt
@malleusigYou start reading the books that before you thought were evil and hateful. And, you know, like people in Twitter, like you start listening to the speeches and translation and you start to realize you've been lied to. You've been lied to heavily. And so has everyone else.
@foundring1It goes both. It goes. I can find a similar parallel with when I'm singing these old songs where they say, well, if you're singing these, you must hate. Black people, you must be racist, right? Never mind the fact that many of the songs I'm lovingly recreating were written by Black composers themselves and who have been completely thrown away because, oh, they used the, like, they said the word darky in a song.
@foundring1Oh no, the darky, right? It's just- Which was fine at the time. Well, totally. I mean, that's not my point, but my point is that I'm not allowed to say these things or sing these things because I'm white. I mean, that is- It's the dumbest thing ever. It's so racist. Fuck American people, fuck white people, fuck niggers.
@malleusigThank you.
@malleusigAnyone coming in to vandalize the space will be ejected with great prejudice. Just want to let you know that.
@foundring1That's the only time we're going to be prejudiced. With extreme prejudice, yes. Yes, go ahead. I think I said what I wanted to say about that and how we should just lighten up.
@foundring1I'm not going to change my whole worldview or my art to cater so I don't offend someone. It's not my obligation to prevent you from being offended. You can just turn your gaze, you can turn the other cheek and walk away, but they can't abide by that.
@malleusigOffense is taken, it's not given. People forget this. You are in complete control of what offends you.
@foundring1And I think we need to tolerate, like the word tolerate and all these things that they've inverted. I mean, words are spells, right? They're spelling words. It's a language, but they're also magic spells. And so they weaponize certain words like racism and anti-Semitism. And they're the ones that are actually being the racists and anti-Semites and all these things for saying, oh, you can't...
@foundring1There are poor protective people, they can't take a joke. Or trans people, they can't take a joke. Where I'm like, where trans people that I talk to, they're like, no, of course we can take a joke. Of course you can sing a song that's like making fun of us.
@nance726Right, it's incredibly condescending. Like, I get to decide what you can handle. You know, you need my help to tell you what you can handle. It's incredibly condescending to the person in question.
Speaker 15Hey, can we just do some hands? Let me stay with the hands.
@nance726Sorry, Funky, good to see you, love.
@malleusigI'm sorry, Funk. Yeah, I see you had your hand up for a while. I just wanted to raise that one point because that journey is, we see it in everyone. That journey that I laid out is essentially the origin story of every one of us on this space. I don't think I've ever met anyone that's thought of their life, I think, like towards Jews.
@malleusigEveryone that has spoken, even to, even the people that identify as like neo-Nazis, right? I don't think neo-Nazis actually exist. I think they're basically imitating the Jewish depiction of Nazis in Hollywood, which is just dumb. But even those people, the people that will come up and advocate for violence, the wingnats and stuff like that, even those people didn't start their lives like this.
@malleusigThey mostly started their lives as normal and then went through a conversion process from being essentially gang-stalked or victimized by Jewish people.
Speaker 15which unfortunately does leave it does leave a bad taste in your mouth and that that that is a fact we need to take into consideration but uh go ahead funk i'm sorry oh g'day beautiful people and everyone else hey um so foundry uh we've had a couple of interactions before uh on jq radio uh the good old days but um i was just wondering mate i've got two questions for you um the first question is
Speaker 15And I don't know if you've already covered this, but where exactly did you find all these sheet music? And have you created a repository for them? And then I've got a follow-up question after that.
@foundring1Yeah, what's up, man? So I don't... I have an online repository. I mean, I try to release all of the ones that I find and I'm actually throwing up a lot of them on the internet archive right now. But I have like 10,000 PDFs in my, I mean, I probably should make a torrent or something at some point, but I'm constantly adding.
@foundring1I'm like 100 a day sometimes. And as for where I find them, they are, they're out there, man. They are on the internet archive. There's a site called Iam... SLP.org. All this stuff is in public domain. They don't want you to know because they want to make money. They want to make shekels from songs. Songs that are old enough are free to use and free to reproduce, free to record, and all of these songs fall under that.
@foundring1Library of Congress is a great resource. New York Public Library website. Universities. Boston University, Duke University, Johns Hopkins University, University of Connecticut, University of Maryland. These are all sources I regularly will check. But the rub is they won't often show up in generic internet searches. So you go Google or even DuckDuckGo and you look up, they're very hidden away.
@foundring1So you have to just go to these sources and... Look up the sheet music section of these websites. And a lot of times they're improperly scanned or they're only in JPEGs and not PDFs. And so I have to do a lot of curating myself because they're just sitting there. It would take an army of people to really categorize and get all of these.
@foundring1And I think what I'm so surprised is that how little this has been done. I mean, granted, a lot of these digital collections have only been available for the last few decades. But there's a lot of music out there.
Speaker 15That sounds like you're the one. Sounds like you're the one.
@foundring1I sound like there should be more people to do it.
Speaker 15Uncensored. He unearthed and translated the speeches that we hear sometimes on the internet. And he took it on himself and he's single-handedly changed the internet. Like, I mean, he's been part of a massive part of the change of the internet. And you are doing that too. So my second question... What's buddy? Look, and I wanted to give you some flowers first because I can't even rub my belly and pat my head at the same time.
Speaker 15So what you do is quite amazing, okay? And the fact that you can read sheet music and just translate it straight to your fingers is incredible. Awesome. Now, a little bit before, you were describing music as sort of like, you know, it's so cultural, you know? And when we amalgamate certain cultures, We, you know, create, when we amalgamate different forms of music, we end up creating new cultures.
Speaker 15Like you can actually tell the difference between when America stopped being an English project and it started to actually become America through its music, you know, the music that you're unearthing now. You can say the same about Australia, you know, when it stopped being English and it started to become Australia through its music, you know, click, go to Shears, boys, click, click, click.
Speaker 15Now, I was wondering, Foundring, Have you found any examples on your ragtag music where a didgeridoo was added in?
Speaker 2Like specifically didgeridoo? Like the word or the actual instrument?
Speaker 15The instrument.
@foundring1I don't think, not off the top of my head, but I will say that I would be very interested to find more.
Speaker 15I am being jest. I am being jest.
@foundring1Okay, no, but hold up. I just want to... Typical Australian. There is a lot of... I've found some tunes from Australia in my research that have a certain sound to it that isn't American or English. And I haven't really gone down that rabbit hole, but every time I've noticed it, it's sort of been really... I'm fascinated by it.
@foundring1I did this one piece called My Curly-Headed Baby by this guy Klutzem, who was an Australian-born composer, and it's got a different... Vyb2it, and it's really cool to me.
Speaker 15And I don't know, just your comment about- He'd be using words like bloke, bloke and snagger.
@foundring1Yeah, bloke, yeah, I don't know. But certainly there's something about that there. And that cultural cross-contamination absolutely reached Australia in the era that I was talking about. And I found Australian songs from the late 1800s that I find are very intriguing and they have their own sort of quality about that. So I love that observation.
Speaker 15Yeah, well, they definitely influenced us with their clapsticks, and I think that's about it. Anyway, thanks for having me, guys.
@joann_marieThank you for coming up, Funky. All right, HoneyBudger, how are you?
@nance726I'm great, thank you so much. You know, it's great to have a cultural conversation in the midst of everything that is going on, but I have a little bit of a different perspective, you know, in terms of... I think what we always talk about is absolute freedom and the they doesn't want us to be free, the they wants us to think in a certain way.
@nance726But I think the one thing that is forgotten in the conversation, and I think that this is where, you know, this is where the horse like the horse left the barn sort of is that we, you know, the Constitution says basically that we ought to be a free nation under God, you know, and so Confirm Thy Soul in Self-Control as America the Beautiful states.
@nance726The soul of our nation rests upon not only us having the entire ability to be free but our ability to discipline ourselves in terms of what is the best thing to do, not just for me, but for the rest of you. If we all had absolute, complete, total freedom, we would have mad chaos constantly now at the same time. So I think there's a tempering of the will that sometimes is lost in the conversation.
@nance726And there's more that I'd like to say about that. And again, that's not knocking anything that Foundring is saying. The exploration of freedom is very important.
@nance726But the thing I think that is always important for us to ask is, at what point do my freedoms interfere with yours? Right? So in other words, if I just like somebody brought up the word degeneracy, if I live like a degenerate, I know in the United States, there are safety nets that are in place that will take care of me if I act like a slack.
@nance726Right? But then it would be incumbent upon all of you taxpayers to take care of my needs because I didn't take care of my own. Do you know what I mean? And so I have a little bit different perspective of the 60s than Foundring brought up. But at the same time, you know, I think that the questions that were being asked, you know, in a free society were important questions because many boundaries or I should say many lines were being stepped over.
@nance726Many boundaries were being pushed. But at the same time, We have to ask ourselves, where did that lead the culture today? And so I know that's a little bit of a different point, but thanks for letting me speak. But I think that that's a significant point. At what point do we ask ourselves, How much are my freedoms interfering with everybody else's and what am I going to do about it with my time, my treasure, my talents, and my ability to care about the rest of the world around me?
@nance726So that's all I want to say. Thanks, Ian. Thanks, Joanna. Thanks, Rabbi.
@foundring1espoused the sentiment that you just expressed in that yes it was all about freedom but then there was that temperance of the will there was that your own agency in other words many of these songs rejected British rule but in a way that it was respectful like they many of them said something I'm paraphrasing kind of like we think that Britain is amazing we love the crown everything but we are
@foundring1We want to also experience our own agency and make our own ways and make our own new traditions. And yes, it wasn't like we should be free to just take what we want and blah, blah, blah. It was more a freedom in the sense of to be the best that we can, that we are born here to be. And I didn't really get into my real thoughts about...
@foundring1The More Modern Era
@foundring1When Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize in the 1970s for freaking bombing Cambodia and Laos. And at that point he said basically political satire is dead when someone like Henry Kissinger can win the Nobel Peace Prize. So there's a lot of, yeah, it's a really important discussion, the notion of freedom. And I think America has a very storied...
@foundring1Thank you so much for that. That's really interesting. And I'm glad that you're exploring that in your music. But I really believe, to your point,
@nance726that music the music that you know the music that we're listening to in the 60s 70s 80s 90s and and so on it really does tell a story about where the culture is at i mean that's something that is irrefutable you know the songs that are being written are the thoughts and the minds of that i should say the songs that are being listened to
Speaker 12Thank you so much, Ana Paglia. This is a weird fact, but I just have to say it. Sorry, I got a phone call. I apologize. Oh, I thought you got a phone call.
@nance726Sorry, sorry. Yeah, no. Can you hear me? They're the inner thoughts of the society. Whatever becomes popular is really reflective of the society. That's all I wanted to say. I got to go jump. I got a phone call. God bless you guys. Great conversation. Very nice to meet you, Foundring.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up. And random fact of the day. When you guys were talking about how culture influences other cultures. So if you listen to Mexican regional music, it literally sounds exactly like polka. And it was because we had an emperor in the middle of the 1800s called Maximiliano. And he brought a lot of Polish people and German people and stuff like that.
@joann_marieSo we got influenced
@foundring1There's a lot of Polka influence in early American music too. In addition to Irish and English, we were colonized by Europeans and they brought with them their musical traditions and they flourished here and then became something new. And that's a really cool thing and it should be celebrated. It should be celebrated and championed today.
@foundring1Unfortunately, I say it's all racist, evil, racist white people.
@joann_marieYeah, it does need to be celebrated. And thank you so much, Foundring. All right. I just want to say hi to Rob. He does spaces with us at least once a month, and they're really cool. So, hey, Rob, how are you? Have you met Foundring? Have you listened to him?
@rob_zpeHey Joanne, hey Ian. I'm so glad to be back in the face of you guys. I miss you when I'm not with you. Yeah, no, I'm glad to be introduced to Foundring. I'm just going through all this content and loving it. I actually produce music myself. I just think that, you know, everyone out there needs to start expressing themselves more.
@rob_zpeYou know, it's so important. Like, you know, we're all so repressed these days and I think that we need to get out of this disharmony and get back into this kind of a... These spaces of expressing ourselves and, you know, I don't want to kind of, you know, barge in here, but I'm just enjoying the conversation. You know, I want to add to it as much as I can.
@rob_zpeHave you talked about the changing of the tuning from 432 to 440? Because I just missed the start of it. I finished work and come back in, but I'm just loving everything.
Ian MalcolmIt's funny, Rob, I was hoping that would actually come up, because Foundring was talking a little bit earlier about some of the tones and tuning and Devil's tritone and some of those other pieces, but Foundring, any thoughts on that?
@rob_zpeI can also jump into it, but it's up to you.
@foundring1Yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, man. I do have some things to say, but I think it's a little more, it gets into a little more abstract and the weeds, and I feel like I've... I've talked a lot about that so far, but I'd love to hear if you want to add something.
@rob_zpeOkay, my brother, yeah, for sure. It's kind of like this urban myth, but it was a reality where around World War II, right before or during and after, the Rockefeller Foundation imposed this kind of change to the global tuning of A. So it changed from 4-3-2, which is kind of like this... This pattern we see in nature to kind of like a standard of 440 hertz, so a global standard.
@rob_zpeSo before that, essentially what was happening is that Mozart composed his music at 432, Aiton Tibetan singing bowls are tuned to 432. There's this difference between 432 and 440, which is, it's not a musical preference. It's kind of like a detuning of your nervous system. So even on the earth right now, we have this kind of electromagnetic heartbeat, this 7.83 hertz, this Schumann resonance.
@rob_zpeSo 4-3-2 is mathematically harmonic with this Schumann resonance. And when we have this new tuning, we have this dissonance. So, you know, we all know we're made of water. And essentially, you know, we're kind of like this cinematic vessel. So we actually absorb these vibrations and it can cause disharmony. But instead, like with 4-3-2, it creates the flower of life.
@rob_zpeSo you've got mandalas, you've got this coherent geometry. With this new tuning, it creates this chaos. You know, so we're this kind of body of vibrating water, this kind of this crystalline structure. And what frequency are we being tuned to? It's not one that the Earth is producing, one that, you know, creates this harmony in nature and in our thoughts and in our body and in health.
@rob_zpeObviously, we focus on health and in our spaces we do with these lovely two hosts and everyone else here. So with Earth here, we have this kind of field, you know, that kind of once you go outside of it, even astronauts report that, you know, they get disassociated, they become anxious. and you know we're kind of bathed in sound our whole life so you know when they've looked at this um you know they kind of architectured this around to kind of detune people to make them more violent um there was also this kind of like synchronicity of changing the tuning around world war ii to make people like violent and obviously we see ways in which they use we can view music as like the original direct energy weapon obviously that's a huge topic these days with direct energy weapons that's what sound is is directed energy and obviously you know we have
@rob_zpeways in which quantum physics proves that frequency and harmonics and cymatics creates matter. The universe is essentially a giant song. And we're kind of being forced to play by a different note here. And obviously people like Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley and Prince and John Lennon, they actually tuned their music specifically to 432.
@rob_zpeLennon had a song about love. He changed it to 583 in the same resonance because they know there's power to this. There's this kind of scientific relationship with the universe. that actually causes the brain to become agitated with these other kind of frequencies. And they blame the Nazis for it, but it really, if you follow the things back there, it wasn't the Nazis.
@rob_zpeIt was more of globalist powers and then the Rockefeller Foundation, and they go back, it was changed by some orchestra. But essentially it was used to kind of like put humanity into disharmony. So, you know, music does manipulate the subconscious and that's what we're, that's the war we're under right now. We're under a war of subconscious.
@rob_zpeSo, you know, they're speaking the brain's kind of native language with prediction, reward and emotion and rhythm with all this stuff with memory. And they're trying to target us. So they're trying to disrupt this kind of, you know, this subconscious kind of like culture that we've built around music. But if you just look at nature, we have so many like allegories for like how nature does heal.
@rob_zpeAnd someone was talking about like, you know, birds chirping before. So they've found that like birds chirping, violins, these like, you know, even the bells. The form of frequency healing. They can open up our chakras. These things are empirically proven now. So these are divine frequencies. When you hear a bird singing, that resonance, highly specific resonance, enters your ear, can actually directly interact with your nervous system, calms your mind, simulates the kind of positive synaptic responses, promotes deep cellular healing.
@rob_zpeSo we need to take back music. We need to take back frequency. We need to take back culture and the way we relate to each other. IQ is directly related to music.
@foundring1Conspiracy Music Guru. He's a really great songwriter. He does a lot of stuff about space and NASA, but he records all of his music and albums in 432. I personally, since I love this ragtime stuff, I find that there's something about not tuning it, well, certainly not to 440, but just sort of letting these pianos fall into their own set of tunings, naturally, if that makes sense, where...
@foundring1Sometimes I'll come across a beat up old upright piano and it's quote out of tune, but then I start playing with it and I start finding the certain combination of notes and keys that resonate in a way that's quote out of tune, but it's actually making me feel good in a way or conversely bad or something like that. So the notion of tweaking tuning and to achieve a more pure or more natural or more whatever different sounds is a very powerful one.
@foundring1And certainly the great, Church organists of old knew how to deal with that musical minutia in a profound and effective way. But I think that's part of the reason why I like playing on these beat-up old pianos that are a little bit off, because sometimes they're off in ways where that's its natural state of resonance for that particular instrument.
@foundring1And I really like to coax those energies out of those instruments. That's a fun little aside that I thought of when you were talking.
@sagecutterDude, that's awesome. Completely awesome.
@joann_marieHe's so brilliant. All right. I ain't afraid of no goats. Welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 5Thank you, guys. Thank you very much. Man, it's been really neat hearing you talk about your music and whatnot, Foundring. Just your excitement and your passion for it earlier when we first started. I really enjoyed it. And it's just, music is, because I feel music like that too. I mean, it's like you can hear a song and a memory pops back.
Speaker 5You were saying something about that. It's like, dude, it can replay the movie. I mean, it just, it's amazingly powerful. One of my favorite quotes I always think about music is, you know, if it weren't for music, life would be, oh my God. Life would be a mistake. That's right. If it wasn't for music, life would be a mistake.
Speaker 5And I feel that. And I was going to ask you... Oh, Honey Badger said... I just wanted to say something on what she was saying, too. Freedom. You know, to me, freedom isn't the right to do whatever you want. Freedom is the responsibility to do what is right. And that... Because you can't do whatever you want because your whatever you want is going to run into my whatever I want real fast.
Speaker 5So you have to have that sense of the people around you, what's good for everything else. And I just don't, you know, I wonder a lot of people think about that. Because that is how freedom in this context of the United States has to work. It can't work any other way. Because like I said, what is it, Adams, the constitutions for a moral religious person.
Speaker 5Anything less, it would be inadequate. So, yeah. Anyway, thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
@foundring1I like what you said about music bringing you to a certain space, a memory, whatever, and it does have that sort of time travel capacity, but there is something particular about memory with music that affects people that aren't even musicians, where sometimes people remember the music of a movie, for example, more than, like, if you ask someone to...
@foundring1Quote me a line from a movie and they'll be like, I don't remember. I remember the plot points. But then you ask them to sing the tune from it and they'll be able to do it right away. And it will evoke that memory and the feelings that you saw when you watched Jurassic Park or whatever. Indiana Jones, Star Wars, these guys are magicians.
@foundring1These John Williams types that they are able to manipulate Our emotions in this way, but if it's done for, you know, a positive way, then you can have that positive effect. So, cool, I love that.
Speaker 5It's even, you know, it's just a little more, it's, you know, I mean, there's a specific song I can think of, right, that I got divorced from my ex-wife 20 years ago now. Dude, that song comes on the radio, and, I mean, I'm a little better about it 20 years later, but there was quite a few years and I'd be turning that thing right off.
Speaker 5I feel like I don't even want to hear this thing. You know, that's the power of it. In a negative way, that's not so cool, but it does in the positive as well. That's what I thought of.
@malleusigAll right. I think we've got one more hand. I see Daffy has your hand up.
@sagecutterRabbi, I just have one thing to add when she's done. Okay. Sure, when she's done.
@daphnekmorrowGo ahead. I'll be quick because I just wanted to laugh first. My brother plays the didgeridoo. He played with Muruga, who was a Motown percussionist. So I wanted to just throw that to Rob because like who the F knows what a didgeridoo is? My brother does. And he went to Arizona to train with the like preeminent didgeridoo like guy in the United States.
@daphnekmorrowand Bill's his own didgeridoo, so you can even believe it. So my family is a huge music industry family. And then another thing that I think is really funny that came up in this space, can anyone tell me the last time they have been to a shanty song party? Because I've been to one. Has anyone been to a shanty?
@joann_marieI have no idea what that means. Shanty? Like a sea shanty?
@daphnekmorrowWhat is that? It's just the whalers sang shanties to like when they were whaling. And I went to a shanty party where it was like, so someone came up here and they talked about shanties. It was early on an hour ago. So I've been to a shanty party and my brother plays the didgeridoo. And so I just want to have a little checklist of things that I think are funny about this space because every single box is being checked off for things I've done.
@daphnekmorrowBefore I ask Foundring a question, I wanted to ask, does anyone know who Michael Hedges is or was in here?
@sagecutterDid you say Michael Hutchins?
@daphnekmorrowHedges.
@sagecutterNo.
@daphnekmorrowOkay. He's a musician. He was an amazing musician.
@daphnekmorrowAnd he passed away. But there are some people who actually know who he is. He had a saying, music is all around translated into sound. And the reason it's very poignant I wanted to ask Foundring, how were you socialized in terms of your exposure to music and what are your top three
@daphnekmorrowBooks, and what are your top three pieces of music that you like to play on piano?
@foundring1That's really hard. Well, I certainly was, other than being exposed to music for my family, I started playing violin at a really young age. So I started playing in youth orchestras when I was around seven. And that was a very, very formative experience. Huge. I sung in choirs too. That was great. But playing in an orchestra, being a part of a group of kids to create something better and bigger than yourself was really humbling, but also inspiring.
@foundring1It's one thing if you're on your own playing piano and reading through stuff like I used to like to do, but then being put out there and having to follow along, follow the conductor, do all that, but then being so proud of it. I think it's an experience that all kids should should have even if they're not maybe very interested in or musically proficient I think it's just even if it's like when I was in second grade they just gave us recorders right a lot of us had that experience right where you we just they stuck a recorder in your hand and made you play hot cross buns all together and it probably sounded like crap but you know what it was uh you all brought you all together and it made you all work together in in a way that was had that that uniting effect um
@foundring1And in terms of books, I have a lot of like crazy books in my library, esoteric books. But since we're on the subject of music, I did mention, well, we talked a lot about the history of tuning in this conversation and how that was a big discussion for thousands of years. There's a great book I would recommend called Temperament, I think by a guy named Stuart Isikoff.
@foundring1And it discusses that if you're interested in more of just a history kind of for normies, That's a great overview of that long discussion that happened. And then another good one is called, I think I mentioned it, it's called Music at Secret Influence Through the Ages by an American composer named Cyril Scott. And it kind of talks about more occult metaphysical aspects and some of the energies and forces behind composers.
@foundring1So those are books that come off the top of my head. Man, in terms of just music to play, honestly, I don't really have anything, any go-tos. I do love the music of Eric Satie, French composer. He's known for his gymnopédies and very kind of meditative piano stuff, avant-garde. I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of Messiaen, Olivier Messiaen, a French composer.
@foundring1I know we talked about bird songs. He cataloged a lot of bird songs into music form for the piano. Very... Some of the hardest music to play in the entire world because he had perfect pitch and was really accurate. So Messiaen is really great. But really, I love classical. I love Greek play. I was obsessed with the Greek piano concerto in A minor.
@foundring1But I love that ragtime. So I'll bust out Maple Leaf Rag just for fun sometimes. Or I'll play the Mario tune. So really, my kind of go-to is just... Now, I just love reading through these old songs. I'll just pick a sheet music by random from the 1870s and I'll just play it and I'll feel like I'm being transported to that time.
@foundring1So that's kind of like, that's my go-to right now.
@daphnekmorrowHave you ever owned a player piano with the old...
@foundring1I have, but I have friends that are... I've had a lot of experiences with them. I don't have the space or the means to... There's a lot to upkeep, but I love that. And there's an argument, actually, at the time that that ruined popular music.
Speaker 11I think it's silly... Ian Malcolm's gonna get his head blown off, you fucking packy. Stay safe, you fucking nigger.
@foundring1Someone really doesn't like player pianos. They agree with me. No, there was a whole argument at the time where player pianos took away work from actual pianists. And there was a whole movement to protest them, which I think is also funny. Now, I love player pianos. I think they added a lot of, they created a lot of new styles of music.
@foundring1One of my favorite styles is called novelty piano from the 1920s. It was an over, it evolved from ragtime. And it was, a lot of it was written for player piano. So some of it's extremely difficult to play. Humans aren't really expected to play it. But I love the challenge of... So I just wanted to add one thing, Rabbi, I apologize for jumping in before, but on the topic of freedom, I think a lot of people, we need to recognize, recognize what freedom was.
@sagecutterThey called it dangerous freedom.
@sagecutterFreedom is the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. People knew that. Founding fathers understood that freedom meant, that's why I said rugged independence. Some people, maybe they misconstrue what I mean when I say it. When we talk about freedom, we're talking about you have the freedom to succeed or fail. We are not going to interfere with you.
@sagecutterThat's true freedom. Freedom does not mean that we owe our neighbors anything. And this kind of goes to the point, like Honey Badger mentioned one thing about like entitlements, like, oh, well, I don't have the freedom to be lazy and then suck off another taxpayer. We used to have a system for that. It was called charity, right?
@sagecutterThere were so few people that required that level of assistance. And the reason the number of people who required it was low was because there was a responsibility that came along with receiving charity. And that was kind of the scorn of the community, right? So people did not want that scorn. We all want to be accepted.
@sagecutterSo people did whatever they could to stay away from charity. Because if you required charity back then, You would have received a label. Today, with entitlement, they made the EBT card a credit card, for Christ's sake, so none of us can figure out who's on the dole, who's not. They feel entitled to take from their fellow taxpayer.
@sagecutterSo that really doesn't relate to the type of freedom that we established this country on. There was an honor system, and if you broke that honor, we were going to label you. Foundring, would you like to add anything, Oriane or Rabbi? Wait, am I still here?
@malleusigNo, I'm good, I'm good. No, you're good. I was in the back channels, I'm sorry. Freedom isn't free.
@foundring1It reminds me of during the Canadian protests, how they tried to make freedom a bad word, right? All the truckers were... Freedom, DUM, or whatever. It's that inversion of language that they like to do. They take words and then they flip around them to mean something opposite. Woke used to mean like, I'm awake. I know what's happening.
@foundring1And then in the last couple of decades, they inverted that on its head. So yeah, I don't know. It's weird how they weaponize language and music like that against us. But I believe in freedom. I'm descended straight from the founding fathers.
@foundring1and so I'm American through and through. So, freedom.
@joann_marieThat's beautiful. Should we play another round of Guess That Tune? We haven't listened to Foundry play in a couple of hours now.
@malleusigWell, actually, I've been sitting on Kitty History. If Foundry wants to hear that and get it back to a music mood and then we can do that. I do love Kitty History. What does that mean?
@joann_marieKitty History?
@malleusigKitty History sounds a little Epstein Island so let's be a little specific here Kitty History is you just have to listen to it because I can't describe it without giving it away so let's Foundry knows what we're talking about so let's you and I we know we're doing so let's play this and then we'll go on here we go in a universe that's infinite like many theorizes there are parallel worlds where every
Speaker 16The only difference is that everyone's a kitten.
@malleusigI love how in the comments now, this is like from a month ago, is like, all right, this is why they killed Trevor. I can definitely see, now I understand.
@foundring1He has ones that go harder than that, though, bro. Oh, he does? Yeah, that was really kind of tame. And it really speaks, that's Trevor Moore, by the way, and the late great. and it obviously that is combined with an actual skit with like where there's a video and it shows all these it's very cute you know kitschy but it just goes to show how it starts off so tame and so innocent and it lulls the listener in and then all of a sudden you just might the normie just might like look up and be like wait JFK wait Saddam Hussein wait what 9-11 war I cannot stress how important that is if you are doing this
@malleusigStart them off with something they already agree with or something that's completely harmless and then pull them in slowly. If you go right to George Bush killed JFK, they'll shut off immediately. But you have to get them invested. There's like a sunk cost factor play. You have to use that.
@joann_marieJoey Good does something similar, right? I mean, a little bit different.
@foundring1I was going to say, Joanne, the song that you like of mine, the foil song. is exactly that approach where I start out you know you would like oh aluminum foil on your food so it doesn't go bad in the thing and then you know you go straight into you start you start to warm them up and it's like yeah there's black helicopters and then you get into the lizard people lasers yeah exactly you gotta you gotta warm people up you can't hit them over the head right away
@malleusigand that's the thing is and this is this is something i cannot stress how insanely useful this is people are more people are less likely to change their mind once they've decided they like something like they're almost it's almost impossible for them to change their mind and so one of the cruelest things you can do and i say cruel in a good way right is to get them to like something right and then
@malleusigFlip it on them because you're asking them to betray their own preferences in order to back out of accepting what you're giving them. And a lot of people will just never do that. A lot of people, they'll, instead of choosing to change their mind and admit they were wrong about liking something, even to themselves, they'll let you give them the rest of the story.
@malleusigAnd a lot of times it'll change their mind. And that's why this format is so amazingly effective.
@foundring1And I would add, using popular melodies and inverting them, so a lot of successful satire and parody over history, not just like Weird Al, will use a popular theme or riff and then subvert the listeners' expectations and reclaim it or throw a parody back at them. And it reminds me of this little story that I found in my research of America's...
@foundring1Traditional Music, going back to the Revolutionary War, where the famous tune, Yankee Doodle. That was actually a British written song made to make fun of the Yankees. The uncouth, beardless boys, the colonies. Those are a bunch of unsophisticated boobs out there in the colonies. There's a bunch of Yankees. And so during the war...
@foundring1Of course, you have to have a musical contingent. There was always the regiment of the flute players and the drummers, and that was a big part of war. And they were coming in with their singing, playing their little tune, and we won the battle. The Americans won that battle, and as a result, conquered that tune. And we took that tune and rewrote the lyrics to mock the British.
@foundring1In other words, it was like... That tune basically became a prisoner of war and became a vehicle for our own version of the narrative. We created our own narrative using their music. It's brilliant. And what you said about how people will like something and they don't like to unlike it, well, that's why a successful satirist will, especially a musical one, will take a popular song and then write new lyrics to it.
@foundring1and then you lull that person to that false sense of complacency and exception and then you hit them with a new thought. It doesn't have to be a complete opposite of what they've ever heard, just a little bit of a nudge and a little bit can go a long way. And especially during the COVID era, I've found that a lot of the COVID protest songs I used the traditional...
@foundring1ProTest songs from the 50s and 60s, the folk songs. And that the boomers really remember because that's what they grew up with. But the boomers were largely following along with the COVID rules, right? But it let them, their guard went down a bit. Like I had some family members, even friends, I showed them some of those songs and they knew the originals that they liked already.
@foundring1And I think it might have helped them be more receptive to the information when it was Surrounded with this layer of comfort. And it's not to say that it's beneath them or intelligence or whatever to have that type of reaction. It's a totally normal human thing to have this relationship with music, which is why it can be wielded so powerfully.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. And I really, really want people to start thinking in terms of propaganda when they start writing their stuff or making their art. I made a poster. about a year ago, and confused a lot of people, but I still like it. Have you ever seen those posters where it's like people put up their houses, like, in this house, we believe that black lives matter, right?
@malleusigLove is love. You guys have seen those?
@malleusigUnfortunately, yeah. So I made a poster. So it's really important for us to take their propaganda and co-opt it. So I made a poster that said, in this house, we believe that black lives matter. Love is love. No human being is illegal. Israel has a right to defend itself. Trans rights are human rights. Goyim are beasts fashioned in human form.
@malleusigFrom the river to the sea means kill all Jews. Anti-Semitism has no cause. Palestine doesn't exist. Anne Frank's diary is real. And the white race is the cancer of human history, right? And what I love about this approach is you can't, when you look at it from far away, all you see is love is love and Black Lives Matter.
@malleusigAnd you have to get, you have to draw closer to it to see the other ones, right? So getting the person to lean in is almost the entire battle with messaging. Get them to lean in. Once they lean in and they want to see more about this, then effectively you've got them. And with something like this, if you take something that already exists and they like and you copy it, you're essentially pissing in their Kool-Aid.
@malleusigYou're taking something they like and you are associating messaging with it, that means the next time they see that thing, even the one that they like, they're gonna think of your messaging. And this is the most effective form of propagandist, propagandic protest, is you make them think about what you want them to think about when they're looking at something they love.
@malleusigIt's like taking a bumper sticker and putting it on the forehead of their favorite child. Every time they look at their child that they love more than anything in the world, they're going to have to see the messaging that you want them to look at. And this is why I really encourage everyone to take whatever propaganda they throw out, take it, co-opt it, and repurpose it to your cause as quickly as possible.
@malleusigBecause that will give it maximum effect, and effectively it'll, how can I put this, it'll muddy, eventually it'll begin to muddy the difference between your propaganda and their propaganda. And people will start to associate their propaganda with your propaganda, right? And that discredits, it discredits theirs almost proactively once you get it going.
Speaker 12That's brilliant, Rabbi.
@thenaturalord3rPerfectly explained. I mean, I couldn't have said it any better myself. You're a smart motherfucker, I'll tell you that.
@malleusigNo, no, no, no, no, thank you. I'm just having fun with Photoshop.
@thenaturalord3rWell, you know what? Let's do the hands, because the hands are up before me, and I don't want to be rude.
@joann_marieYeah. All right. Oh, sorry, Rabbi. Do you want to go?
@malleusigNo, I'm just saying yes.
@joann_marieNico! Welcome.
@foundring1Welcome.
@mindarchetypesJoanne, how are you doing today?
@joann_marieGood. How are you?
@mindarchetypesI'm doing okay. I'm here to be a little bit contrarian about all the... I don't think the most effective form of propaganda is the academic kind. I think it's the kind where you say a bunch of stupid stuff,
@mindarchetypesthat sounds real but isn't because most people aren't intelligent and they'll believe stuff like that so i wanted just to dispel a little bit about that like there's no historical validity to those claims whatsoever to the 432 versus 440 megahertz thing like in the 17th to 19th centuries when we actually started getting absolute pitch data of instruments
@mindarchetypesIt ranged from 409 hertz all the way up to 450 hertz. The claims about a 432 hertz ancient frequency from the Egyptians and the Greeks are just simply made up in the 80s.
@mindarchetypesIt was back in the 1830s where we started to try to... Standardized pitches. The first one suggested was, I believe, 440 hertz by Johann Steiber. And it was because he had created a device that got better tone called the tonometer. The French later set an illegal diapason normal at 435 hertz.
@mindarchetypesand those numbers don't even line up with the Schumann resonance. The Schumann resonance is like 7.83 gigahertz. It doesn't produce any clean multiples. The only reason we actually switched to 440 as a standardization in the United States was because of digital music and scientific reasons because our oscillators could not easily digitally create sounds at 439 hertz because it's a prime number.
@mindarchetypesSo that's just the long and short of it. Because I was just having fun listening, but I really dislike when people just basically treat bongs as philosophy and they try to connect fields of science that have no relationship whatsoever by taking a bunch of buzzwords that they heard on YouTube and pretending that it was research.
@mindarchetypesAnd that's just my little contrarian rant there.
@rob_zpeSo have you looked into acoustics or wave physics or frequencies or harmonics? Any actual math behind it?
@mindarchetypesYes. Like, you don't get clean multiples out of 7.83. You'll never get 432 or 440 out of it.
@rob_zpeYeah, but it's literally just a confirmation bias by rounding up.
@mindarchetypesThat's literally all it is. Like, you're fudging the math in order to confirm a bias.
@rob_zpeOh, really? Yes, you don't get... No, I'm just going by the actual numbers.
@joann_marieSorry, Nico, I muted you because I can hear Rob like four times when your microphone is open.
Speaker 14Yeah, there's a pretty big echo.
@joann_marieBut, please, please go on. Nico, you're muted.
Speaker 9Nico?
Speaker 9Nico? Maybe he's still talking. Okay, I'm gonna recycle you.
Speaker 9This app is so glitchy.
@joann_marieIn the meantime, guys, please repost to space. Follow Ian and Rabbi and Foundring and everybody on the panel are just absolute superstars. And bookmark, I did help so much with the algorithm. And thank you so much for being here. All right.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, at some point, you're going to have to get Foundring a copy of the chords of the notes for Better Than a Zionist. I would love the acoustic rendition performed by Mr. Foundring at some point, if possible.
@malleusigOh, has he not heard that yet? Foundring, have you heard that yet?
Ian MalcolmI'm sort of cutting in and out the space is being weird wonky on me which one it was what was this name of it still better we'll have to I'll have to why don't you fire that uh why don't you fire that up and and um as you're getting that ready we could go to PVG and uh we'll see if we can recycle uh Foundring and get his audio back up all right sounds good
@thenaturalord3rHey, guys. Welcome back. You know, I've been in and out of the space. I was in the hospital. Thankfully, I'm okay.
@thenaturalord3rBut I've had a lot of fun. And this has been a really fun, interesting space. I just want to say to Foundring, you know, a lot of his songs are lighthearted, you know. But after he got debanked, and Foundring, I don't know if you can hear me, bud.
@thenaturalord3rWell, maybe he can't. But if he is listening... Oh, I can hear you.
@foundring1The space is being weird, but I gotcha.
@thenaturalord3rSo, I could tell how fucking pissed you were, man.
@thenaturalord3rAfter they screwed you. You know, you built up such a platform that some of us could only dream of. The Moon song, I think it had, what, three or four million views?
Speaker 7Yeah, something like that.
@thenaturalord3rYeah, and the other one, The Rastis Knows, I don't remember that one, but that one had a lot. But then, I could tell how much fire you had, and it was honestly really inspiring, because with your Oy Ve Shut It Down song, you had this one line, and I messaged you about this line, that it was... We're the Techno-Pharisees, you're just a bunch of schmucks.
@thenaturalord3rLike that, that's like pure poetry. And that rage, like if we can harness our rage to creating something like that. I mean, I made some pretty cool propaganda, but it got me banned from the European Union and I thought my account was going to be shut down. It was basically an NSDAP-styled
@thenaturalord3rAI video with a boot pressing on a worm or some sort of insect with a very long nose and crushing it and the whole thing was parasites must be cleansed. And that was one of my highest viewed posts. Everybody loved it. I get a message the next day that says, I get an email, it says, Mr. PVG, your account is now banned in the European Union.
@thenaturalord3rSo, you know, we have to be careful about what we do, but I don't want to be like HT. You know, I want to do something more esoteric. I want to do something more fun. I want to do something more eye-catching and that will make you think, but will also show the situation. And you know what? We all hate HT, those that don't know him, whatever.
@thenaturalord3rHe had his flyers for a long time.
@foundring1I think that the European Union is a good metric. I think that's hilarious. I find it funny which of my songs do get banned in the European Union and which don't. It's kind of a... I think about a dozen or so that are banned. That's so silly.
@thenaturalord3rWhat I'm saying, Foundring, and to the rest of you, is those flyers that HT made, they were effective. They were effective for a while. But I want to get away from that. I want to make something that, like the Rabbi was saying, we need to make things that can be digestible to the masses. But also fun and quirky, and that shows each and every one of our own personality, you know?
@thenaturalord3rAnd Foundring, you do a great job of that. I mean, you know, there's nobody like you in the world, brother. There is absolutely nobody like you. There's nobody like you. I see your videos. You have all these old, like, sheet music. And you do it with aplomb. You do it with such joy. Like I was saying before, And I'm not trying to beat a dead horse or pull a bloody mattress out of a sewer.
@thenaturalord3rBut what I'm saying is that we all have gifts. And we all are, I think for the most part, we're all trying to fight the same fight. And we all, I think, have the same common enemy. And if we could harness each and every one of our gifts and our strengths and polish it like an arrow, put all of those arrows together in a quiver, they're not going to know what hit them.
@thenaturalord3rAnd we will win. I have no doubt in my mind that we will win. It's not going to be easy. We're dealing with 2,000 years of the most despicable people that have ever lived.
@thenaturalord3rBut I believe in each and every one of you. Harness your talents, my friends, and you will win.
@foundring1Hey, synchro's got his hand up for a while.
@joann_marieYeah, thank you. Go for it, synchro.
Speaker 17Thank you. Good evening, everybody. Ian, Rabbi, Joanna, thank you for putting together this space. A lot of work, I know. Oh, Foundring. I've been following you for a long, long, long time. Yeah, man. Nice to see you, dude. Hey. Also, I'm an orchestra geek. I play trumpet in the orchestra, concert band, wind ensemble, marching band.
Speaker 17And then I went on to march in drum and bugle corps. And that was like the roller coaster of music. It was unbelievable, the energy. That some of these cores would put out on the field is just insane. Now they've kind of gone a little overboard with bringing synths and stuff out on the field. I don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 17But we used to use two valve bugles to get around the copyright of the music. But now they've finally worked that out and they have three valve brass instruments. Wait, explain that again? Wait, how does that make sense? So they explained it to us. that we had to use two valve bugles. For soprano bugle, when you're playing up high, the partials are so close up in that range that it's no problem that it's two valves.
Speaker 17But for the contras and the lower, like the baritone horns, it was trickier. And so sometimes we had to play some of these arrangements in really weird keys. That's crazy. Isn't that weird? Yeah, yeah. So you play violin. I remember there's a viola player. She used to be my producer at the music library where I used to compose music for at Killer Tracks.
Speaker 17And she told me this joke. She says, what's the difference between a violin and a viola? The viola burns longer.
@foundring1You know, I've heard all the- You heard that? Yeah. Being in the orchestra, we get- Well, in the violin section, we made fun of the violist all the time. For those that don't know, viola is kind of a larger than a violin, and they play a little bit lower. And let's just say the joke is that the ones that don't make it successfully as a violinist then pick up the viola to compensate because there's less demand for them, but they can still be part of it.
@foundring1Anyway, long story short is they're the butt of a lot of jokes, especially in the string sections.
Speaker 17But they have such a rich sound. I'm so glad they exist.
Speaker 2It's a beautiful instrument.
Speaker 17It's a gorgeous instrument. So I first found you at the end of a Quartering video back when I used to watch the Quartering way back when. And he played Shut It Down. And that's how I found you. I don't believe that. He played that? Eons ago, yes.
@foundring1He blocked me on Twitter.
Speaker 17What a pussy.
@foundring1He was having his meltdown. He kind of had a recent thing. I haven't really been following him for a while. I didn't really engage. I don't like to engage with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 17Yeah, internet drama, yeah.
@foundring1But I will say one time he reached out to me in DM and was like asking him what I knew about Sandy Hook. I'm like, bro, I don't know.
Speaker 7So I thought that was funny.
@foundring1Clearly he seems like a good guy, but I guess he kind of...
Speaker 17I was instantly hooked and when I would watch the newest video because I had the notifications set back when those used to work and it would come on and I would see and a new video would come on and you started to do documentaries in the heyday of your channel And they were just, I mean, some of the best documentaries on what we're talking about in this space that I've ever seen.
Speaker 17And there was one that really blew my mind because it ended in exactly 33 minutes. I don't know if that was just a, if you- Yeah, it was like 33 minutes and 33 seconds. Yeah, and I just sit there at the screen just like, oh, what? But yeah, that was, so- In your travels of making documentaries, a question, have you ever come across anything credible evidence-wise of the so-called breakaway civilization phenomena type?
@foundring1I mean, I think we need to do a whole other space on that subject. Okay, okay. But I'm a big fan of the writer Joseph P. Farrell. who's written a bunch of books on that. I mean, I know there's a lot of things about that, but much of it's fanciful, of course, but some of it I find really, really intriguing. And honestly, lately I've been looking for evidence of stuff like that in some of the old songs.
@foundring1So a lot of the part of my research is like, yeah, learning about the songs and the culture and stuff at the time, but I'm also... questioning the timelines of certain technology and all that stuff. I'm reading a really cool book right now about post-Civil War and the airship mystery. In other words, there was a whole bunch of sightings that were quite credible and a bunch of documented, we've got newspaper clippings that follow certain paths of not flying saucers, this is not an alien thing, but like dirigibles, like steampunk type things.
@foundring1So in other words, there were... People experimenting with flight technologies before the standard thing, right? So I really am interested in that aspect of how there's something happening quite secretly and there's a lot of it's connected to Masonic, you know, things like Synchro Society, stuff like that. So there's sort of the notion of a separate...
@foundring1Society, a civilization, quote, breaking off. It doesn't mean they're on the moon or whatever. It just means that they are operating with a different set of technology. Even finance is a big part of it. They would have kind of a separate monetary system. I think there's a credible evidence, strong evidence. I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case.
@foundring1And it certainly had its origins a few hundred years ago. I mean, it's been going on for a long time. But I find... I have another question about
Speaker 17The Tiffany Dover piece. That's just so haunting, so beautiful. And you know my obsession with the Picardy Third at the end that I like so much. But how were you originally inspired? Because right when that song came out, that whole story was starting to fizzle down into the memory hole. And you brought it back. And I think that's very powerful because
Speaker 17There are so many unanswered questions about the whole Tiffany Dover phenomena, if you will.
@foundring1Yeah, that is a whole other rabbit hole, isn't it? For those that don't know, Tiffany Dover, she was a nurse, was one of the first people on TV to get the COVID vaccine, and she fainted, kind of a viral moment. There's kind of questions about that whole thing, what really happened there. Long story short, she disappeared.
@foundring1There was a lot of speculation. People thought she was dead, injured, NDA. the hospital said oh she's fine she's not working with us yada yada yada uh but it was she became a symbol for for the questions at the time so i thought as a mean musician and i was writing songs and you know i've been i lost my job and everything from all the cove vaccine band-aids and all that stuff yada yada old old news but um i thought it would should be a great candidate for a song and that sort of comparing it with a haunting melody and yeah piggity third
@foundring1I love that we can be music nerds. Picardy Third is a cool thing where you have a song in minor where it's kind of sad sounding, but then you end it with a major note. And what kind of inspired that moment, since the question was, is she still alive? It reminded me of the Portal soundtrack because Portal has the song, where I'm still alive.
@foundring1And it kind of ends with this cool sensation that can be, the classical term would be the Picardy Third. So the whole idea of is, Tiffany Dover, Still Alive. It was my reflection of what I was reading. That's what a lot of my songs, I see what people are discussing online, what the topic of the day. So I write a song like a meme musician reflecting what I was experiencing, what I was viewing.
@foundring1And a lot of people were asking questions and a lot of people were being skeptical and pushing back and saying, you know, she's fine and blah, blah, blah. So it was more, I was documenting that. And I do think that that melody is particularly poignant and one of my better original melodies, I think, off the top of my head.
@foundring1And yeah, and also what you pointed out about her kind of disappearing from the conversation. And then I wrote that song and then I got my YouTube channel banned and I came on Twitter. This was still Twitter. And like, this is early 2023. And I posted that Tiffany Dover song and it started to not go viral, but it was getting considerable attention.
@foundring1And then literally a couple of weeks later, They did a big story on her and they brought her out again and it was like, oh, this is Tiffany Dover, but she kind of looked different. Anyway, long story short, without getting into that conspiracy rabbit hole, I do think that the public pressure and the things like that song that we all have the power to do, just sort of the meme makers, right?
@foundring1The memes, the conversation, it forced them to be like, all right, fine, we better address this Tiffany Dover situation. And yeah, I'm still on the fence about what really went on. Part of that song was exploring that. These songs I write are ways that I grasp with the same things that we all are being exposed to, what we all have to try to wrap our heads around these days.
@foundring1And I did mention in the song asking, was this a staged thing? Was this a karmic thing? Was this some sort of ritual? I do look for the ritual aspect of a lot of these major world events that We should be able to talk about it and notice.
@foundring1Sometimes we might be wrong and sometimes we will get something wrong and we'll make a wrong claim and it doesn't hold up. And that's okay. It's okay to be wrong and then to adjust and change course. So I think the songs are a good way to sort of document what was being discussed at the time, if that makes sense. They're like a snapshot.
@foundring1Unfortunately, they become not very relevant pretty quickly, but I think that they're an important way to document the... The discourse of the time as they have been for all throughout history. The songs are the cultural milestones and they preserve something in a really unique and cool way. So, yeah, great questions, man.
@foundring1It's great to talk with you. Thank you.
Speaker 17I'm just so honored to speak with you all. Oh, and Rabbi, I love the acapella vocals at the beginning of your track. Really, it just caught me. I stopped in my tracks.
Speaker 4Are you talking to me?
Ian MalcolmYes, yes. Well, and everybody needs to brace themselves if they have not heard the track that we are about to listen to entitled Still Better from Mr. Rabbi [guest]. And so what we'll do, we're going to listen to this, and then I'm going to be very curious for Mr. Foundring's thoughts on the song. And also, we've talked a lot about the healing properties
Ian Malcolmthe ability of of course storytelling and then this idea of of trying to not necessarily propagandize although perhaps that's the right word right try to slip in some of the subtle messaging so that we can essentially not only reverse engineer what our opposition is doing to demoralize our people but rather how we can do the inverse to moralize them and so I'm going to be very curious for Mr. Foundring's thoughts and uh and then in addition to his thoughts on the song
Ian MalcolmWe'll also get any kind of parting words, final commentary. And if there's any musical tracks that Mr. Foundring might like to provide here as kind of a close out of the entirety of the space, we would certainly welcome that as well, if he feels so inclined. But either way, we've got this wonderful track here from Mr. Rabbi [guest].
Ian MalcolmAnd so sit back and get ready to enjoy. And to listen, please give a little extra. Don't talk me up too much. People are going to be disappointed. Here we go.
Speaker 18Without panic attacks But he was still better Better than a Zionist Still better Better than a Zionist City college, freshman year Got my first girlfriend My roommate Larry, his iPhone left on his nightstand It wasn't until her roommate Maddie found the videos online and monetized He was jailed for 20 years, but not for us It was for what they found on his hard drive But he was still paying
Speaker 18TheFNDC.com Page 1 of 1
Speaker 18Dreidel, olive oil cakes Compound interest, the tunnel, Sam Altman's blackmail tapes Amateur villains may steal, their neighbors swim Only real pros take their organs and their skin Randy Fine's Twitter really helped me understand
Ian Malcolm[guest], and still better than a Zionist. And the craziest part about that is since you released that, Rabbi, we've watched as not only has the genocide of the Palestinians continued as they've covered it up, as they've lied about it, as they've denied it, as it would be my suggestion that perhaps they were involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Ian MalcolmKuhn, perhaps one of the most significant assassinations of 50 years or so of American history. Not to mention Tom Alexandrovich caught literally in Las Vegas in a pedophile ring. And because he's Netanyahu's cybersecurity advisor, he just gets on an airplane and goes back to Israel and nobody thinks anything of it. It's like the Zionists literally.
Ian MalcolmThey are even more evil than the absurdity of the song as you just laid out in such a comedic fashion.
@malleusigThe only thing we don't have evidence of them doing so far is actually raping a horse. Everything else validated. Give it time. Give it time. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
@joann_marieThere's a lot of videos of them killing horses in Gaza, so... Yeah.
@malleusigI think it's okay as long as the horse is Palestinian.
Ian MalcolmWell, that's what I was going to say, right? We have literally the IDF soldiers gang raping some of the prisoners, in some cases almost to death, if not to death, and then literally going to the Knesset and saying, no, how dare you try and scold our soldiers for doing this, right? It really is, it's so... Unbelievable that we live in a world filled with such evil.
Ian MalcolmAnd so, Mr. Foundring, I'm curious for your thoughts on Mr. Rabbi [guest]' song there, some of the humor of it. And if you saw the curveball coming with the commentary about Rugrats and other things in the first verse, it always kind of threw me off the first time I heard it.
@foundring1No, I mean, it's just more quality stuff. And it's... I'm coming at it from a songwriter's perspective, a lot of these tunes, and I'm judging them kind of harshly, not unfairly, but I'm nitpicky, I would say. And I thought that one had a nice arc, the high, the octave jump, and everything is very vocal. I look for things that I would want to reproduce, and I could probably learn that one pretty quickly.
@foundring1It's a nice... It's right in kind of my good vocal range. But I love just the creativity of it all, the familiar chords, but they lull you into that space. And then, yeah, it was well-crafted, for sure. I liked it a lot.
@malleusigHonestly, Foundring, I can't take credit for any of the music. I literally wrote the lyrics. I can take credit for the lyrics, but everything else is AI. No, I know that, bro.
@foundring1I'm aware and that's why I said I'm approaching when I listen to stuff like that I'm approaching it from a I'm pretty harsh right I'm thinking looking for where I don't find things that are natural you know but it's becoming harder and harder to tell especially as humans have been coming less natural with their music in general and and the AIs now a few years ago I realized that it was already better than the best songwriters and I said and that's kind of I didn't really give up on it but I sort of
@foundring1Once I came to that realization, I'd drive myself to exhaustion to try to keep up with AI now. So I changed course and kind of focused on the past instead, which I thought was just as important. But I think that the lyrics obviously are essential to songs. And as someone who had more inclination to music as a kid, I was kind of, yeah.
@foundring1The musicians, they're the most important part. Who needs a lyricist? As I've gotten older and more mature, I realized that the sounds that we make with our mouths, that is such a big important part. Think about spells. It's always like, you're speaking in tongues, right? These are ways to elicit certain states and frames of mind and getting the right sound.
@foundring1and the right flow to pair with the music creates, it makes a difference between a throwaway song and an all time classic. And so you have that strong foundation with your lyrics and you might not have the training or the experience. You, I mean, like in general, anyone that takes the 20, 30 years to learn how to write songs.
@foundring1And now we have this tool where Why not use that to our advantage, especially if you're coming from a place with a good intent and you're trying to add to the creativity of the world? So that's a whole discussion, the AI thing. I get it. It's a big question. But you know what I really like is when people make AI versions of my performances of the old songs.
@foundring1So I'll do the recording. and that of the old tune from 1870 and then it'll be like an AI reimagining of it and that I think is really cool based off of my performance and I think it's a really awesome way to preserve this music and reinterpret it and keep it alive for the future because that's not something that people have the energy and willpower to do but click of a button hell yeah let's let's preserve our history so it's a whole yeah there's a lot of nuance there to the discussion but anyway that's a long-winded way to say that I enjoyed it a lot
@malleusigOh, good. Thanks. I really liked it. Yeah, no, I think, honestly, I don't like the fact that I can't play instruments. I basically use A out of necessity, but one of the things that I do think is good out of it is that now, and I'm pretty sure studios are already doing this, you can actually sit there and generate, you know, a hundred songs in a day.
@malleusigAnd what that means is these aren't going to be the songs that you publish, but these, you can make a song and it's your copyright. because you only copyright to songs you make if you pay for the service. And then you can simply say, oh, that one's nice. I'll cover that. Or that one's nice. Or that one sucks. I'll throw it out.
@malleusigAnd now you have vastly sped up your creation process for your music. Because AI lyrics are really not there yet. AI lyrics tend to be pretty quickly identifiable as AI lyrics. And they tend to be pretty milquetoast and not very interesting. But you can definitely... Use the music as a springboard.
@foundring1Sorry, but doesn't that speak to what I was just saying about the difficulty and the importance of lyrics and how the AI is able to do the music very competently now, but it hasn't quite figured out the lyrics. And I agree with that. And I think that's one of my strengths. It took me a while, but I feel like I've been decent at music for a while, writing songs, but only recently have I started to feel like I finally started to level up with lyrics because it's such a...
@foundring1It's way more difficult. Like I'm writing just a for fun song right now. That's just like an actual just regular song.
Speaker 7And the music was done months ago, a couple months ago. I'm still fine tuning the lyrics like a little bit every day. And I'm not happy with it yet.
@malleusigYeah. I think once AI gets going, the only way you're going to be able to tell that a song was written by a human is if it is offensive to the mainstream narrative in some way.
Speaker 7Oh, totally, yeah. That's why the AI can't do a lot of what I do. So there's still a little bit of a niche there, but anyway.
Speaker 17The phonetics are important too, you know, like the old classic rock, Blinded by the Light, you know, Manfred Mann, that has such a, the way it sounds, even if you don't know English, it has a certain quality to it, you know, wrapped up like a deuce, you know, it makes for the whole experience of the song in that way.
@foundring1English is a powerful language like that where you see kids, like you were saying, from around the world that might not necessarily speak English, that were enchanted by these American, mostly, or British, English, we'll just say, rock songs. And English, I think, has been crafted as almost in a cult-type language starting around the Shakespearean times.
@foundring1There's a whole conversation there about how English... Again, was crafted a certain way and a very powerful language. And I think when used properly with music, that's why it's sort of the language of choice as the international language for music is generally considered to be English because it has that versatile quality.
@foundring1But the words... And the phonetics is exactly right, man. Yeah, synchro, that's a great point. The phonetics is a big part of that. And often that's what I'm looking for is not necessarily the words, but what they sound like, the way that my mouth moves. All these are very important considerations in terms of replayability or accessibility, I should say, for people that are going to be wanting to sing along.
@foundring1It needs to follow a certain thing. It's way more than just a scale and a set of lyrics. Spellcasters Like Yoko Ono That was a joke
Ian MalcolmWell, and with that, I think Forti had his hand up real quick before we go to Mr. Foundring and get some kind of final remarks here before we start to wind down.
@nance726Yeah, thanks Ian. I just wanted to make sure that Foundring and Mulberry got introduced because I think you guys could do something cool together.
Ian MalcolmFoundring, I think the mission that Mulberry is behind is this idea of really ensuring that we support not only the farmers and kind of everything that they're doing, but also the local economy that they build if we can kind of keep people insulated within that, right? And the comment was made that... If we're taking less dollars and applying it to the big agricultural companies and the big grocers, and instead we're just dealing directly with the local community, the local farmers, that we're keeping everything kind of out of the hands of this machine that obviously we speak not only about, but also with such animus towards.
Ian MalcolmAnd so this idea of trying to take not only accountability, but also any and every... I can't thank you enough for doing exactly that.
Ian MalcolmMellon, and so on.
Ian MalcolmThey're basically just making note of how everybody is struggling, how so many people... I can't tell you how many of these big influencers I see essentially mocking their listeners, saying, oh, this person's brokey and all this other nonsense. And it's like, we're basically living in a society where, at least in my worldview...
Ian MalcolmThey are basically bestowing upon their chosen, selected voices that push their narratives. They are giving them the ability to then make the appeal to authority to themselves. So they are saying, we've got these big microphones, big audiences, and big dollars because we're big successes. Andrew Tate's a great example of this.
Ian MalcolmBut at the same time, because they are lifted up, they have the very things that they then say are the success stories. Well, pushing this out to audiences that in most cases aren't able to build any of that either independent wealth or even the opportunity for it, right? And we see all the politicians that are basically squandering away the very thing that used to be the land of opportunity that was the American dream.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's just it's so frustrating on so many levels. And so to see people like yourself that, again, are putting out good, righteous content that's not only entertaining, but it's also it's informative and it's uplifting. At the end of the day, that is doing wonders, not just for your audience, but also for anybody that your audience then turns around and makes the day better for.
Ian MalcolmSo it's that butterfly effect where you are flapping your wings and you're having a much bigger influence than I think you could ever envision. And so for that, I just want to thank you, not only for the time that you've taken here today with all of us, for all the questions, for all the entertainment that you provided, but also for everything that you do on this application every single day and that you've been doing at this point for something like 20 years.
Ian MalcolmAnd so it's just an immense blessing that you're in our atmosphere and our ecosystem. So with that, again, I just wanted to thank you so very much and see if there's any kind of parting words, remarks, or other commentary that you might want to add here.
Speaker 7Oh, man, you just made me feel so old. It's really been 20 years, hasn't it? Oh, dear.
@foundring1Yeah, man, I don't know. I really appreciate you. I think that you're a great guy. You bring so much to everything. And I feel honored that you would think of me to be a part of your tour right now. and it feels like I'm actually on I'm on tour I'm performing for all y'all now it was that the name that tune earlier was awesome and I was having some issues with my um device I had to switch to my computer where I'm not near my piano right now so I can't do anything live uh but maybe you could pull up one of my tunes and play it or I don't know um yeah Rabbi could you do that one second I'm sorry what was that
@foundring1Well, I was asking maybe if you could play, because I'm not near my piano right now. We can play us out with one of my tunes?
@malleusigDefinitely. Let me go to your channel. Let me go to your channel, because I have it already. Are you on Rumble? Am I on Rumble? I'm on Rumble. I'm not looking at it right now.
@foundring1You mean on X?
@malleusigYeah, on X. I'm trying to think of what...
@foundring1What might be good? You could play... Well, we were talking about the Where's Tiffany Dover one. You could do that one. Or you could do Me Mom Died in the Holly, which might be a funny one. And I also like... Wait, yours? What's that?
@malleusigOr the other one? Because there's the other one that's fantastic.
@foundring1I did a cover of Me Mom Died in the Holly playing... You did it? Okay, all right. Oh, fantastic. Well done. Because I actually transcribed that by hand and read from... The Music, which was a lot of work. Oh. All right, give me a second. I think I can get it on Rumble. It's up. It's on X. You just have to search for it on X. Meemum died in the holly.
@malleusigOkay, let's find an X. Let's see.
@foundring1But it's like an up one. It might be nice to have a quieter one, but we can end on a peppy note, perhaps.
@malleusigLet's see if we can find it. Or maybe shut it down. Who knows? Let's just play all of them.
@foundring1No. I don't know about that. Every single one. Where's Tiffany Dover is a nice one. Another one that might be nice is Gene Rosen, the one I covered for my favorite Jew from Sandy Hook. I love Gene Rosen. He's a good guy.
@malleusigYeah.
Ian MalcolmIt's a nice song.
@malleusigLet's see. I'm good.
Ian MalcolmAnd real quick, while Rabbi's looking for that, I just wanted to bring attention up in the nest. And I want to give a big shout out not only to, of course, Rabbi [guest] for the song that we heard from him. But also to Mr. Volek, who took that audio and he put an entire music video to it. And I call that out both to bring attention to that video, share it around with your friends, really, really funny stuff that the two of them put together.
Ian MalcolmBut also just to bring credit and attention to all the people that are out there utilizing AI and or their talents and their gifts, whether it is musical like Rabbi and of course, the incomparable Mr. Foundring. Or again, with, for example, AI. And I want to give a big shout out to Allegedly Dank. I see him down there in the listener panel, who with his AI takes every one of the spaces that we build here on X.
Ian MalcolmHe pushes all of them via this AI engine over to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Rumble. They will all be there within a couple hours after this space closing. He also put together ianmalcolm84.com. as a backstop, so if every last one of these social platforms shuts us down and removes all of our content, every last bit of it is going to be up on that website that he has built, he has hosted, and he also just put together, and I'll put this up in the nest as well, he also made a new handle on X, and I don't exactly understand how this is doing it on an automation level, but not only is it going to then take all of the spaces from X,
Ian Malcolmand condensed one-hour renditions where it's basically going to take the best of the three or four or five-hour spaces, however long they might be, to pull together a compacted version that you can share around with your friends. But it's also going to give roughly a one- to two-minute little audio snippet from one of the more impactful moments of that space.
Ian MalcolmAll done with AI. All this is a way to try and get these little snippets that we can get out to more people, more ears, more eyes on every one of those alternative channels. So again, whether you're here on X or on any of those other networks, the fact that that is all available, he's done all of this without asking for a dime from anybody.
Ian MalcolmHe doesn't ask for a dime with any of those platforms. He's not trying to monetize them. He's literally doing it out of his pocket, out of his time. And when I did ask him if there's anything that we could try and do to support him, he said he's doing it to make the world a better place for his children. And so I just absolutely love everything that he has done for us all of the time that he's put into this and the ways that he's creatively trying to get just like this very space onto those other platforms that we do have it again in case anything happens here or on any of those other networks.
Ian MalcolmSo lots and lots of love to him. And so with that, Mr. Rabbi, back over to you, my friend.
@malleusigYep, I've got two ready to go. I've got My Mom Died in the Holly, and I've got Where's Tiffany Dover Ready to Go. Which one should I go, Foundring?
@foundring1Yeah, let's do the Me Mom Died in the Holly. And if I can just briefly say about the AI thing, and I think this was a fun experiment for me, which is this is an AI song that I did a cover of, which I've been doing that. I've done that a few times since 2024 when this started getting popular. Anyway, I kind of wanted to show that there,
@foundring1was there's still the human aspect of the of this music and I love the original uh um the GNU Classics original it's a really it's a solid I mean obviously I wanted to learn it but the the notion that then a human could then reproduce an AI song and do justice to it I wanted to sort of prove that and I think I think I did a good job with it um and I it was I don't know I there's I think it's important that we utilize these tools but also show the
@foundring1The human aspect of this type of creation. So that's kind of my spiel about why I did a cover of an AI song.
Speaker 4No, I think that's exactly it. That's the best thing to do. It's fantastic.
@malleusigAll right. All right, let's play it. Without further ado, here is Foundring singing Me Mom Died in the Hollow.
Speaker 6I was such a happy gal, me daddy was so jolly. I love to tell the story how they both died in the holly. I app about the gassing with every chance I get. Don't know why you're laughing, I ain't even starting it. Oh, hi, Ty, to the key, oh, no, me gosh, me gully. Let's high-five to the greedy mum died in the holly. And now I guess it's funny to an awful lot of folk.
Speaker 6Well, some say I'm a fool, but it don't change how I feel I don't care about the pool or ridin' the ferris wheel Now me only other wish is that they didn't go to camp Cause Dad's cleanin' dishes and me mum sits on a lamp Oh, I died tiddly-dee-dee, oh no, me gosh, me gully Yes, I died tiddly-dee-dee, me mum died in the holly And now I guess it's funny to an awful lot of folk
Speaker 6They had me on the global news to cry about some jokes But I can hardly have a snooze or take a calm and soak
Speaker 6My bedtime's just an awful sight, bathing's a dreadful thing I cry when I turn on the light and sniff me Irish spring Oh, hi-tide, tiddly-dee-dee, oh no, me gosh, me golly Yes, I'm fine, fiddle-dee-dee-dee, me mum died in the holly And now I guess it's funny to an awful lot of folk To hear me mum's a lampshade and me dad's a bar of soap
Speaker 6Sometimes when I feel glum and sad it really makes me think I wish I had me mum and dad so we could have a drink Oh if only I were able I'd take them to the pub though But me mum stays on the table
Speaker 6and me dad still in the tub. Oh, hi-ti-ti-di-di, oh no, me gosh, me golly. Yes, hi-fi-fi-fi-fi, me mum died in the holly. And now I guess it's funny to an awful lot of folk to hear me mum's a lampshade and me dad's a bar of soap. Oh, hi-ti-ti-di-di, oh no, me gosh, me golly. Yes, hi-fi-fi-fi-fi, me mum died in the holly.
Speaker 6And now I guess it's funny to an awful lot of folk Beautiful. Fantastic. Absolutely incredible, Mr. Foundring.
Ian MalcolmWhat a nice little way to end, and I say that not because we're trying to make fun or poke fun at any group of people, right, but to this idea of being able to take back this method of propaganda, right, of us standing and rejecting this idea that there's certain things, you were talking about this earlier, Foundring, this idea that once upon a time...
Ian MalcolmThese types of conversations and discussions and this type of entertainment was kind of par for the course, right? That people were able to poke fun at certain topics, certain ideas. I think earlier it was mentioned somebody made the joke about the Irish and their drinking habits, all kinds of other things, right? Certain groups of people, it's part, I think Rabbi said it, it was part of the process of knowing that you were able...
Ian Malcolm[guest]-Levy.
Ian MalcolmFowler, and many more. Thank you.
Ian Malcolmwas absolutely incredible. So I just want to thank you so very much. Any other kind of parting words here before we recommend everybody jump over to Mr. Truth's room?
@foundring1No, you just summed it up perfectly. I think that also was a great song to end and it captures the magic of and the importance of having satire and the notion of being able to express yourself through comedic, artistic, musical ways. and, again, something that they've jealously guarded for a long time and used to be, again, par for the course, as you said.
@foundring1But yeah, such a total delight. I love sharing music. I do like making people smile. The fact that someone said that means a lot. I try to not get too down into the dumps, but as an artist, it's the up and down of life. That's the way it is. And that's why I really, you can tell that I'm happy and I love when I make...
@foundring1When I record these videos and I have these discussions, I'm really into it. I'm genuinely invested in it. And I feel even if people are kind of like only tangentially interested, they can be like, well, I find that enthusiasm infectious. And I think that's what we got. We have to inspire each other to follow our bliss, to pursue our own passions.
@foundring1So that's what you're doing here, man. You're following your bliss with these spaces. And it's a pleasure to be a part of this history. We're making history right now. The Dreamers, and we are the memers and the makers of memes and dreams. So dream away, meme away, and keep creating.
Ian MalcolmDream away, meme away. And Foundring, to that point, you and I both share something strangely in common, which is that none other than Kanye West shared some of our ex-content once upon a time. And I mentioned that. Because if we think about it, we are just two people trying to pursue a passion and to make the world a better place with the silly little things that we're doing on this app.
Ian MalcolmAnd they do seem kind of silly and in some ways, I suppose, some might even say trivial in a sense, right? We're holding these spaces, holding these rooms, creating musical content, etc. It's not trivial when it is changing and influencing the minds of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and in some cases, millions and millions of eyeballs and ears.
Ian MalcolmRight? And that has been what you've been out there doing just for, like we said, for at least over a decade. Maybe it's even been 20 years, right? Since the advent of YouTube, right? You were willing to do that, to speak truth, to kind of share your ideas.
@foundring12006 is when I started my channel. That's 20 years, man.
Ian Malcolm20 years you've been at this. And to that comment that was made earlier, right? Some of those videos with millions and millions and millions of impressions. You have had an impression, speaking of the term, You've had an impression on tens, maybe 100 plus million people that have seen the content that you've put out into the world.
Ian MalcolmMaybe they've laughed, maybe they've smiled, maybe they've thrown their phone down at the ground because they were offended, whatever the case might be, right? You have made a mark, Mr. Foundring, and the fact that that made its way all the way up to literally one of the most prominent musicians, love him or hate him or whatever it might be, of the era in Kanye West, right?
Ian MalcolmD'Arnaud, and so on.
Ian MalcolmPursue your passion. We do not know the power that we all have, but it is in our fingers, it's in our minds, it's in our eyes, in our ears, in our mouth and our tongue. And the way that we share that with the world, right? We have the choice to get up and like Rabbi [guest] decided to, to make that song, to write those lyrics, to create it with AI.
Ian MalcolmI'm sure once upon a time he sat there and he thought, am I going to do this and try to figure out how to turn this into something that's an audio rendition or am I going to go pick up another video game controller, eat another donut, turn on more degenerate YouTube or Netflix or whatever it might be. Instead, he decided to try and just take the extra step.
Ian MalcolmFoundry's been doing that for 20 years. All of us have been doing this on our own little journey, in our own little way. And that is the superpower that we all have. So I just want to encourage everybody. I don't have the musical talent of Mr. Foundring, right? I can spend the rest of my life trying to do so. I would never be able to reach the zenith that he has achieved having done this since he was a little kid, right?
Ian MalcolmThat is his superpower. So try to find ours, try to pursue it. And oh, by the way, just because we can't reach the level that he is at doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to reach some level tomorrow. Do the best that we can do with what we got. We don't have to all be built like Dwayne the Rock Johnson or a professional football player to go to the gym tomorrow and to lift a little bit of weight.
Ian MalcolmOr to try and sing a song if you've never done it. Try to do something. Try to do a little bit more than you did yesterday. And if we all do that, we're going to find ourselves in a far better tomorrow than we can possibly envision. So lots of love, lots of thanks, lots of gratitude, not just to Mr. Foundring, our just absolutely special guy.
Ian MalcolmI was looking forward to this space, Patrick, since we set this thing up, I think two or three weeks ago, right? But also to Miss Joanne, the co-hostess with the absolute mostest. There is nobody on this app. That puts in more loving time with positivity in every minute that she's on here than Miss Joanne. She literally went from this space over to support Mr.
Ian MalcolmTruth Teller, to help him as a co-host. I know that she'll be on there for another two, three, maybe even four hours. She's an absolute workhorse and always puts in not just a ton of time and energy, but also lots of love and positivity. There's nobody that's smiling and laughing and celebrating what we're doing here more than she does.
Ian MalcolmShe's absolutely incredible. But also to Mr. Rabbi [guest], who is up here not only for this space, but is also going to be with us tomorrow on a very interesting conversation that we are going to be having with Austin Franco, who obviously, right, talk about freedom of speech. The guy in Cornell writes an email saying, you know, I don't really think I want to work with a Jew.
Ian MalcolmAnd then because he sent that email, proceeded to have basically his entire life turned upside down by, what do you know, the very group of interests that he said he doesn't want to work for, right? So demonstrating the very damage that this group is doing, the flagrant abuse of power that they are just clearly demonstrating left, right, and center.
Ian MalcolmSo we will continue trying to do what we can to bring attention, to bring love, to bring positivity, support, and to share these stories, these songs, these ideas with all of you in a way that at the end of the day, it's not just about identifying or noting a problem and reveling or I suppose wallowing in the downside of that reality, but rather trying to identify it
Ian MalcolmTo discuss it, to understand the history of it so that we can help try in the present again to discuss this and to present it in a way that allows us to make that better future. Sometimes with song, sometimes with dance, right? And just like within the Bible, there's a time for that, right? We should have our parties as well.
Ian MalcolmAnd we have come such a long way. from just a year ago. And for anybody, and I know Foundring is certainly one of them, for anybody that was aware of some of these patterns of control two, three, four, five years ago, I never, and I'm sure that Foundry and many others have the same sentiments, never thought we would get where we are today.
Ian MalcolmPeople are starting to notice these patterns. There's an immense rejection to what's going on. And so finally, After decades of subversion that probably goes back, if not to the death of JFK, all the way to the Federal Reserve, finally we are at a pivot where we might be able to find our way out of this. And as we do, we will continue to discuss it.
Ian MalcolmWe'll continue to try and illustrate the problems of it, the potential solutions that we can present, and to sing and to dance with all of our friends throughout that process. Because at the end of the day, if we are making the world a little bit better each and every moment, We should try and celebrate the wins along the way.
Ian MalcolmSo lots of love as always. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon to all of you. Thank you so much as always for being here. Certainly God bless for everything that every one of you are. And especially for Mr. Foundring, God bless for him, not only for his talents, but for his time today to share them with all of us.
Ian MalcolmSo God bless to everybody. Godspeed. I will be listening in to Mr. Truth Teller. I hope that you all come in there to join if you got the energy. And if not, we will see you tomorrow with Austin Franco and Mr. Rabbi [guest]. Very excited for all of that. Again, thank you all so much for being here as always. Lots of love.
Ian MalcolmWe will see you guys all very soon.