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- 0:00Introduction to the Fourth TurningThe host introduces the concept of the 'Fourth Turning' and the guest's accurate economic predictions.
- 14:54The Four Turnings ExplainedThe guest explains the cyclical nature of the 'Fourth Turning' as economic seasons, from spring to winter.
- 28:33Historical Cycles and Fiat CurrencyThe discussion delves into historical economic cycles, including the Great Depression and the inevitable collapse of fiat currency.
- 42:06Future Scenarios: Tyranny or FreedomThe host and guest explore potential future outcomes, from totalitarian control to a fight for liberty.
- 53:24The Rise of Parallel EconomiesThe guest suggests that increasing government control will foster the growth of black markets and parallel economies.
- 58:35Education and Self-RelianceThe conversation shifts to the importance of education, real skills, and strong family units in preparing for future challenges.
- 1:12:10Protecting Assets and Self-SufficiencyPractical advice is offered on protecting assets and moving towards self-sufficiency, including avoiding cities and bartering.
- 1:20:43Greed, Control, and Children's FutureThe discussion concludes with reflections on the destructive nature of greed among elites and the importance of protecting children from societal decay.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmAlright, Mr. We don't have Miss Joanne, and so as a result, I know that we're doing two spaces in one day, and this one's gonna be a little bit more compact, but nonetheless, Mr. Gov dot exe, very excited for this conversation on the concept of the fourth turning, and I apologize that we weren't able to use the prior Space, which had a whole bunch of, individuals that were, I, I, I suppose, that set notifications for it, X wouldn't let me s-use that one, I suppose. I don't know if it's, an hour or up to a half hour early or whatever the case is, but We've, we've got this conversation off on a roll, and, and very curious to learn your thoughts on essentially the state of, let's call it the economic union. and I know that we've had several spaces, and what I can say in advance of your introduction is that, that over the, the two years or so that we've been, conversing, that your predictions around the economic markets have been terrifyingly accurate and, Well, you haven't been Nostradamus predicting, I suppose, war, you, you were pretty spot on the money when it came to cryptocurrencies, utilities, and, a wide bevy of other aspects of the economy, the ups and the downs thereof. And so very excited for everybody to get introduced to you, some of these ideas, and for you to give a breakdown on essentially this idea of the first, the second, the third, and presently with the idea of the fourth turning, if you wouldn't mind. And so maybe we could- We could turn things over and, and if you could, just give a bit of background on yourself for anybody not familiar with your efforts, your activities, or your past, and then we can kind of dive into this concept of the economic fourth turning.
Speaker 1Yeah, sure, no problem. You know, hi, it's, you know, been a while since I've been on your space, probably, I think about a year or so. And I honestly haven't been doing a lot of spaces. I really took a step back from, from, from X, from Twitter, whatever you wanna call it, 'cause it just gets, it, it, it just gets too much, you know?
Speaker 1so I took a step back and then, you know, I reached out to you, and, you know, Your interest has always been to gravitate towards Bitcoin, so, you know, I just did my, my technical analysis on, on Bitcoin, and, you know, it, it seems to play out. So, you know, everything has cycles, you know, ups and downs, and these cycles just repeat over and over again, and they repeat in the nano, in the micro, and they are also repeat in the macro,
Speaker 1and they, repeat on a small basis, you know? Nationally, municipally, state-wise, provincial-wise, or they repeat, you know, on, on a global basis. So, you know, it's kind of, it's, it's kind of interesting. You can zoom in, you can zoom out, but the patterns are always there, they're always repeating. All you have to do is, you know, spot them. And, you know, to your point of, you know, I didn't predict war,
Speaker 1'Cause I generally just look at charts and I look at the patterns and I see, what they've done in the past and I try to, you know, basically predict what they're gonna do in the future. And I'm not always right. Nobody is always right, but, you know, I'm probably eighty to ninety percent of the time I'm pretty, pretty, accurate with my calls.
Ian MalcolmNo, you absolutely have been, and, you know, I, I, I always like to be a little bit careful 'cause I know obviously there, there are rules and regulations around financial advice, so nothing in here, as well as nothing past or present, will ever or should ever be treated as such. but nonetheless, it's been really interesting to dive into your thoughts on some of these macro pieces, whether it was Bitcoin, it was the stock market, the last time that we spoke, you, you talked all about certain utilities, and raw materials that you- We thought we're going to do very, very well, and, and your, your level of accuracy was kind of unparalleled. Now, the thing that's curious is most of your charts, and, and I suppose if, you know, if we zoom in I often critique climate change because the people that were saying, "Ah, the temperatures are rising," you know, they were looking on these small little subsets of time, and if you zoomed way out, you would note that where we are in the band, it's actually pretty, pretty standard, pretty normal, all things, given if you just zoom out a, a far enough period of time. And so this is an interesting way to dive into this idea of the fourth turning, 'cause like you said, everything is cyclical, it's got its ups and downs in the market, you can
Ian MalcolmI think that inherent in that, there would be macro level black swans that wouldn't be anticipatable, or anticipable. But nonetheless, I feel like if we actually zoom out far enough that perhaps this idea, if we're gonna talk about a fourth turning, well then that means that there was a first, a second, and a third. And so perhaps the, at the macro level, the black swan that you might anticipate and that I, I, I know we're gonna cover here today, you know, maybe, maybe that is just another repeat of another timeline of- Of exactly what could be anticipated. And so I'm, I'm kind of curious if you wouldn't mind, before we go into this idea of the fourth turning and what you're seeing down the, the pike, if you wouldn't mind maybe sharing what this entire concept is all about for those that might not be familiar with it.
Speaker 1Well, well, the easiest way to, you know, picture the fourth turning is, like I said, everything is cyclical, just like, just like the seasons. Just like it's predictable that autumn is gonna follow summer and that winter is gonna follow autumn. So that is basically what the fourth turning is. You know, the first turning is spring, second turning is summer, third turning is, is autumn, and the fourth turning is ultimately winter. It's economic winter. And, you know, you can't have spring Without winter. So even though it, it's, you know, a period of destabilization, it's a period of, you know, rising bankruptcies, it's a, it's a period of, you know, economic pain, it is And that, it is necessary, it is necessary pain to get through that winter to move into the next period of economic spring. Now, unfortunately, each timeline could last about, you know, you know, sixty years,
Speaker 1so you know, forty to sixty years to really move through one of these seasons. So, you know, basically the, the-- you could call the beginning of the fourth turning, The, the, two thousand and one or even two thousand and eight with the NASDAQ crash or, you know, the, the big financial crisis. And if you took a look, take a look at all the charts,
Speaker 1specifically, there's, there's two charts in, in, that I wanna bring attention to. It's the velocity of money. The money, the rate in which money is changing hands through the economy. That is a very, very important chart. If your velocity of money is actually going down You're not having economic activity, so the money velocity peaked at around two thousand and, and it's been falling ever since. So that has suggested that we've been in a downward phase, since two thousand. And if you take a look at your standard of living now to what your standard of living was twenty, twenty-five years ago
Speaker 1Are you in a better position? Are you in a worse position? For the most part of the, of the average per-- of the, you know, the general public, I would say that they were, are in, in a worse position, unless, unless they came across, you know, you know, Bitcoin investment and, you know, picked up Bitcoin cheap and then rode it to the top, but for the most part, the average person isn't gonna do that, or, you know- Well, t-uh, savvy investors or whatnot, they, they could be in a better position, but for the most part, the everyday person, the guy on the street, they're in a worse position now than they were twenty, twenty-five years ago. And if you take a look at, just take a look at average annual earnings, right? The annual earnings in Canada, I'm not too sure if you're a Ca-Canadian or the United States, fifty, sixty thousand dollars a year, then you take off taxes and whatnot. That fifty or sixty thousand dollars a year is probably, an equivalent to a fifteen or twenty thousand dollar salary, you know, twenty, twenty-five years ago. So, you know, it's, it's fair to say that the economy has been going down, for the last twenty or twenty-five years. And I think that this, this,
Speaker 1this phase or this pattern or, or what we're seeing, the cycle, is gonna continue into maybe twenty forty, twenty fifty, before we bottom out. We, we- We reach the absolute worst or the, the end of economic winter, and then we move into, you know, economic spring. But like I said, this period of, you know, downward trajectory in the economy is very, very important because it rids-- it, it, its sole goal is to rid the market of misallocation of capital and mal-investment, money that should be going into assets, that aren't, and money that has gone into assets that shouldn't have.
Speaker 1Either through, you know, government or central banking, forces that have caused this mal, this allocation. so, you know, this period that we're gonna be going through, it, it, we really haven't started. like the worst is, is, is yet to come. But obviously you can take, do steps to, to protect yourself, and one of the things that we talked about when initially you and I maybe about, you know, eighteen or twenty-four months ago, was the importance of not only holding Bitcoin, because you're a Bitcoin advocate, like I said, but, you know, holding physical, real, tangible money like gold and silver, and I think gold was trading at around eighteen hundred dollars back then, you know, it, it's doubled, it's al- it, it almost tripled
Speaker 1so yeah, a-at the end of the day, the primary driver of this pattern or this cycle that we're seeing, and it's, again, it's a cycle that's played over and over and over throughout history, i-is the devaluation and the complete inc-uh, implosion, the inevitable implosion of all fiat, all, all paper money. That is the primary problem
Ian MalcolmAnd so just to compare this turning, this season, as, as you might dub it, to those that came prior, since we're talking about fiat currency and essentially, if, if I'm hearing you correctly, your thought is that by the end of this season, the fiat that we understand today, essentially the, the Globo, dollar, the supremacy, if you will, of the petrodollar, your thought is that that as a currency, a fiat currency, a dollar ruling the world, that those days are essentially now, winding down Rounding down and, and, as, as a result, at a macro level, people are, probably going to be better off. Again, not financial advice, but, you know, worth considering the thought of, the benefits of other harder currency. Is that fair?
Speaker 1Yeah, that, that's fair to say. And if you take, if, if you like take a look at the dollar, the only thing that gives the dollar value is confidence, right? If people lose their confidence in that currency, then you have a mass exodus out of paper assets into physical, into tangible things like property, you know, land, metals, things that, you know-
Speaker 1Can't be printed out of thin air, and, you know, that we, we saw the start of that with, you know, gold really spiking to the upside, is the loss of confidence in, in, in, in the dollar, in, in the paper assets. will it be the end of fiat currency? Probably not. will it be the end of the US dollar as reserve currency, world reserve currency? I think so. And that doesn't, that doesn't s- spell good for the United States, because for a very long time, the United States has had an artificially high standard of living, because, you know, they-- all they had to do was, you know, export their dollars and, and, you know, export their inflation to other countries who had to, you know, buy their dollars to buy goods and services a-a-and to, and to trade, with other countries, because, you know, the US dollar is the world reserve.
Speaker 1So it allowed them to, and Canada, you know, we had a, a benefit being so close, we had an artificially high standard of living just because of, you know, our proximity to the United States. but if the US loses that world reserve currency, then all the other countries that are holding these dollars no longer need them, to do trade with other, with other countries, then all the inflation that the United States has exported to the world for the last, you know, four or five decades since the, early seventies The ending of Bretton Woods, all that inflation comes rushing back to America shores. The dollar collapses in, in, in a hyperinflationary environment, that would absolutely be devastating for, America, for the people, because there's, there's no worse economic outlook, than hyperinflationary collapses. we, we've seen them before in, in, in, and- We've seen it before in like third world countries,
Speaker 1but we've never seen it in, you know, an e-economical superpower. the, the amount of, the amount of destruction that, that it, that would ensue would, would, would ultimately be written and remembered in history books.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, and that's where this all gets very curious, right? Because if we look at, hyperinflations of the past, we could, I suppose, go back to other massive crashes. Is it safe to say, you know, if we're defining this, the prior season, the start of the one that we're in right now, d-d- would you basically look to the Great Depression, which obviously had massive repercussions, not just in the United States, but obviously those in the space familiar with Weimar and all the disaster there? i-is that kind of a, a good place to designate the, the prior season, and as a result, is it safe to say that we're looking at maybe a hundred-year window essentially of the season that we're in that's now perhaps coming to a conclusion?
Speaker 1Yeah, I think that's, I think that's fair to say. I, I think that's, pretty much spot on. And, The hard, the hard part is speculating, right? Because, you know, you and I can speculate all day as to what's gonna come, but at the end of the day, we can't even fathom what these psychopaths that, you know, control our reality are gonna, gonna come out with, you know? So the best thing that we can do is speculate, maybe throw out, you know, our opinions as to what's gonna happen and then try to prepare as best as we can, for the, for the inevitable, 'cause it, it is the inevitable, right A mathematical guarantee, one hundred percent guarantee, that the currency is gonna go to zero. Why do I know this? Because every cur-- every fiat currency in history since the beginning of man has gone to zero. They've all inflated away and they've all found their intrinsic value of worthlessness. Thinking that the US dollar is gonna, you know, live on and on and on for the next hundred, two hundred, three hundred years is completely delusional.
Speaker 1The only question is, is what's gonna step, step in and fill that void? is it gonna be like, you know, a Chinese yuan? Is it gonna be like a, a BRICS gold-backed currency? Who knows? but It's going to fail, and when it does, you know, the world central bankers, the people that, you know, control the money printers, the p-the press, the, the government,
Speaker 1they're gonna try to implement the next part of their plan, because that is the goal for them, is to implement more tyranny, more authoritarianism, more control as we move down this stage. Our goal- Yeah, but you,
Ian Malcolmyou know, you know, it's been- Hang on, we'll, we'll do a Q&A, with- Of, after the initial piece of this, but, but go back to you.
Speaker 1Our, our, our goal is to stop them from allowing that to happen. But un-un-unfortunately, like, we just don't have the numbers right now. That's, that just being completely honest.
Ian MalcolmNo, that's a, a bit. I, I think you're exactly right on that, right? there, there's essentially two outcomes of this, let's say current paradigm. Either the central bankers, and, and it's really nice because I think Gov is very well aware of the usual suspects behind the central banking schema, and I'm sure a lot of the conversations that he tends to, speak in, which are very, very highbrow, very high intellect, but, often probably forbid kind of certain, let's, let's say things But, but knowing that, you're fully aware of that scenario, the, the thing that I would ask, so if it's safe to say, and I think it probably is, that the, the global bankers, right, the, the, the financial cabal, that have architected this current, turning that we're in, so to say, that they were also responsible largely for the collapse of the prior turning, and, and so as a result, they're, this is all being designed, and to your point, they're- Trying to figure out what that next schema is going to look like, and so I'm curious for your thoughts on that, right? If they have their complete field day.
Speaker 1Well, if you, if you wanna take a look at it, okay, so, nineteen thirteen, the Federal, the Federal Reserve, What started, I think it was, December twenty-third, nineteen thirteen. What happened right after that? We started World War One. The world was plunged into war. massive debt, massive deficits, and e-expansion of the currency supply tra- fast track to nineteen eighteen when the war ended, and then we move into, you know, the Roaring Twenties, which was, you know, basically the high of, of the party from all that, you know, deficit spending and, and money printing. And then what did the Fed do? At the end of the twenties, they drastically reduced the amount of currency, pulled back M2 supply, and basically drove, drove the economy into a great depression. So it was all, it was all Fed-induced.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and Gov, in your expert opinion, because obviously I come from the, the more conspiratorial angle, looking at, at, at things purely through an economic model and dollars and cents, which is of course your expertise, is it safe to conclude that that was entirely architected and not just the confluence of a couple bad events or black swan occurrences?
Speaker 1No, it was a hundred percent architected. It was the sole purpose of, of contracting currency supply was to put competitive banks out of business and to- To, and to, basically increase the amount of control, I think there were like, you know, a few thousand, maybe, I don't know the exact number, but there were a lot of independent banks operating in America, before the Great Depression, and when they did that, they collapsed a lot of, a lot of the banks and they, basically increased their power and control over the economy. So it was one hundred percent, done on purpose. And again, it was definitely, it was the usual suspects, you know, your JP Morgans Well, everybody, that, you know, you always talk about, so yes. All those
Ian Malcolmusual suspects, if
Speaker 1you will. Yeah. So, and then once, you know, they, they had, you know, took over more control of, of the banking sector, He moved into a period of Bretton Woods system where the, the dollar was, no longer a hundred percent backed by gold, it moved to like, you know, forty-five, forty, forty-five percent backed, nineteen forty-five to nineteen seventy-one, and in the end of nineteen seventy-one,
Speaker 1was-- nineteen seventy-one was the end of the Bretton Woods system, which, you know, the dollar was no longer backed by gold, but by confidence itself, and the primary driver of that was, you know, the bankers wanted to get the dollar off of gold So another war, Vietnam War, caused massive debt, massive deficits, and then you had Charles de Gaulle, you know, president of France, calling to liberate his gold because he, he saw that the US is just gonna, you know, use the war machine, use the printing press,
Speaker 1and he didn't trust that they would respect their France's gold holdings, so he, he liberated his gold. and of course, that was- Temporary measure in nineteen seventy-one to suspend the gold window, and we're still in that temporary measure. And ever since, you know, seventy-one, if you take a look at any chart, it, it goes parabolic, you know, money supply, debt, stock markets, gold prices, everything has, you know, it's, it's, it's a classic crack-up boom, which is Ludwig von Mises, theory of basically
Speaker 1It's constantly increasing the currency supply until you reach this breaking point where the, where it collapses under its own weight. And I think that is, what is going to happen. And well, I know that's what's going to happen. The only thing is, when is it gonna happen? You know, you can't really put a timeline like it's gonna happen like, you know, June sixteen twenty twenty-nine. You know, it, it doesn't, it doesn't work like that. We can give our, our best, our, our best projection
Speaker 1so I feel somewhere, you know, between like twenty thirty and twenty fifty, but right now that's the most accurate that I can nail down
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and on that, so, so that's kind of the, the, the past, right, and this prior turning that we're now in, I suppose, kind of the, the exit windows of. if you, if you wouldn't mind, kind of envision for us, again, you know, we're in this period where I, I believe that either we go left and the world awakens to Jewish supremacy and puts essentially an end to it, and we're able to maybe turn to an economic system that offers more opportunity for those that- The bottom end of the totem pole, or we go the opposite direction, we go totally into the totalitarian doomsday fantasies of the World Economic Forum and all of its sycophants. so I'm kind of curious if you wouldn't mind, so in the coming, let's say, fifteen, twenty years, if our adventure and mission doesn't succeed, and if they're able to suppress free speech, to completely, ba-basically turn the United States into the slave farm that it essentially has been, but Previously it was subversively operating, if it just overtly mandates that onto the citizenry, and at a global level, the World Economic Forum has its ability to implement whatever it is that is that fantasy system. What do you think the world looks like to kick off this fourth turning in the next twenty years or so? What would things devolve into?
Speaker 1See, here's, here's the thing, you know, they'll never- Force their, their tyranny and their authoritarianism onto it. It's classic problem reaction solution. They'll create the, the, the problem that will get the people to actually beg for the solution, which is more totalitarianism and authoritarianism. So, you know, that's, that's how it works. So that's the scary part about this is that the people will, will actually demand it. And you take a look at COVID, people were, you know, being demanded to be, to being locked down. Demanded to be, you know, v-vaccinated, dema- they, and then, you know, call-calling cops on their neighbors, calling cops on, you know, their employees or even their family members. So, you know, the, this authoritarian state can only exist with a highly, obedient and compliant population. And unfortunately, the Western world is highly obedient and compliant, so that's what scares the hell out of me.
Ian MalcolmNo, you and I as well, and, and especially, Givens, for example. You know, I, I, I once thought, and it's very strange, 'cause I once thought that the, the eastern, let's say, countries and nations, that their peoples, were much more obedient to centralized authority, 'cause you look at places like China, and that certainly seems to be the case. And they basically have this very overt tyrannical form of, you know, the, the, the CCP, they'll, you know, some people debate how
Ian MalcolmDuring COVID, of course, we saw the immense amounts of, of overreach of the government with the lockdowns, people being, barricaded in their homes, they had doors that were welded shut, all this other kind of stuff, and, you know, we could debate how much of that was theater versus reality, but the, the reason that I mention is because I think you're right in the sense that the American spirit that I once looked at and said, "Oh, that's way too rebellious," right? The, the adventurer in the American, zeitgeist is never gonna go Enslaved, and then you look around today and you see a lot of individuals totally just rolling over as the, the, you know, the next YouTube advertisement or the next, Netflix movie just mocks, belittles, denigrates everything about their culture, their way of life, their people, their history, right? So in a lot of ways, they are essentially enslaved and accepting of this, so much so that, you know, we even saw the propaganda piece come out of a, a German, quote-unquote feminist today who- Happens to be from that tribe, suggesting that, she's proud that her bloodline is going to end with her, right? That's something that you would never, in, in, in kind of a, a million lifetimes, think that somebody would celebrate, and yet that's gonna be pushed onto the masses, some of which are accepting of it. And so I, I do think you're, you're spot on, unfortunately, in COVID really, it showcased it with, with families hating on one another if they wouldn't get an experimental shot under demand that it was safe and
Ian MalcolmThe media was only six months old, so how could it be, right? So I'm, I'm kind of curious, is your thought then that there is a way to prevent this, disaster that you see in the distance if we kind of awaken the masses to some of these economic realities, or do you feel like this is a, a done deal and it, and it's essentially an inevitable disaster that, that looms ahead of us?
Speaker 1Well, the way I see it, like I said, everything is cyclical. I think, the next, you know, few years, decades, are gonna be very important, and the way that I would like to see it play out is, Mass amount of authoritarianism and, and tyranny pushed upon the people until they, until they fight back and absolutely reject it, where that pendulum, can now start to swing back to liberty and freedom. And that pendulum, usually takes, you know, two hundred, two hundred and fifty years, and I believe it was, you know, Thomas Jefferson that said, you know, the tree of liberty, must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. so, you know, I am hoping That this ends, you know, in, in, in a, in a, you know, it's sad to say, but, it's inevitable peak tyranny, peak authoritarianism, where it just, you know, collapses onto itself and then it puts an end to it for the next two hundred and fifty years, where later generations can actually, en-enjoy, you know, liberty and freedom again.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, and, just wanna be very clear, not advocating for any renditions of violence or kinetic anything, but rather just discussing spiritually, of course, rejecting and pushing back that system, because after all, what you're describing is obviously tyranny, and, and everybody should be in opposition to, not just the slave-mind of, or enslavement of your body, but obviously of your mind and your spirit, right? And that's, that's where this fundamentally goes. So in that rendition, right, of a better tomorrow, I'm kind of curious for your thoughts Gov, on if we are to avoid it, what then do we push? what, what economic system could essentially be furthered that would be in opposition to those that control the money printer and just about everything in the larger economy?
Speaker 1Well, that's the beauty about, you know, capitalism. The, the, the more that, you know, the governments and, and centralized authorities try to take control over the economy, the more beneficial it'll be for a black market economy to pop up. So, you know, just like, you know, in, in Canada or, or in the United States in certain cities, you know, gun bans can't buy guns, da da da da, but you can easily access them on the black market. Drugs, you can't, you know, you can't buy certain drugs. Legally, but you can access them on, on, on the black market. So, you know, the more they try to control, the more people will start to reject that control, and it'll create, you know, a parallel economy, an underground economy, and that underground or parallel economy that will inevitably, inevitably be created
Speaker 1could lead the groundwork to our next, you know, economic paradigm.
Ian MalcolmWow. And, and so is it safe to say, because traditionally I would think to myself, "Well, the people that have the money printer and that control all these, let's say, not just the means of production, but the means of essentially economy, right, at large," I mean, they, they-- The bankers own the politicians, they own the nations, they own the-- Well, well, could I, could,
Ian Malcolmcould I jump in, Darian? No. And
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Ian MalcolmUn-unbelievable. Sorry. No, it's just, it's just wild. but so Governor, I was gonna say, so in, in the system, right? If, if they control everything, I'm trying to think through what that capitalistic society could look like that rejects the central authority, in a way that is productive, because it, obviously those in charge have access to, at, at least in most cases, all the real estate and all the means of, of production. So if there's a attempt to create a parallel- Economy outside of it that doesn't really have any of those, let's say whether it's a financial or a, an economic asset, how can they go about, constructing some kind of parallel economy that provides value and is able to also, essentially build upon itself, right, if it has very little to begin with?
Speaker 1Well, the way I see it is, okay, so, you know, picture, you know, a mountain covered in snow, and as snow is falling and, and, and the mountain is building up at that base, it's getting unstable. Can we predict what snowflake is gonna destabilize that mountain, cause an avalanche? No. But we can predict that an avalanche is gonna, gonna happen. so, you know, all those snowflakes are falling could be, you know, different ideas, different, forms of, you know, commerce, different Means of transaction, wh-whatever, a
Speaker 1lot of them might fail, ninety-nine point nine nine nine percent of them might fail, but it only takes that one to destabilize that, that bank and cause an avalanche, of free market idealism, and I think that's what it is. So we can't say it's gonna be this or it's gonna be this or, you know, we should all do this or we should all do that. No, it's gonna happen, and it's gonna happen organically.
Ian MalcolmWow. So is, is it safe to say then, and, and this is curious, right? Because you're looking at this from a macroeconomic landscape, and yet, I think it might be reasonable to suggest that if that's the case, and right, we're all building these little pieces of, of snow at the top of the mountain that will eventually become or beget the avalanche, is it safe to say that in a way, your account, all the efforts that you're taking to awaken people to these realities, as well as these very spaces, that, that merely the act of,
Ian MalcolmThese ideas that we are adding those little snowflakes at the top of the mountain and therefore making a difference and kind of helping to form or foster that change in the, the not so distant future, hopefully.
Speaker 1Yeah, like if you take a look at it, right? The, you know, Yuri Bezmenov said it takes, you know, two to three generations to ideologically subvert, a, a population or a country where you can start exposing that country to the ideas of the enemy. so this started, you know, probably back in, you know, the '60s or, or the '70s. So it's been, you know, three, four, five generations,
Speaker 1of, of, of this, you know, and it Frog in boiling water, type of thing. So in order to get back to where it was, you know, pre that, it's gonna take equal and opposite amount of time. So the primary focus should be educating, especially the next generation, the younger generations, as to what the dangers are, of, of the system, of what compliance and obedience actually look like in, in real life. What, what your progressive idea Look like in real life, it looks like starvation and death, poverty. So this is the future that has been laid out for the next, you know, generations, and they're the ones that are, you know, gonna have to, you know, basically put in a lot of work the, the fight, the fight for their liberties, for, for their freedoms,
Speaker 1So yes, education, education is probably our, our biggest tool, to prepare ourselves for, the, the inevitable. Yeah, you can, you know, stockpile gold, you can, you know, stockpile Bitcoin, but, you know, it could outlast, it could outlast everybody, and at the end of the day, what happens? Okay, nothing happened. So hasn't happened yet. So the next generation we have to prepare, and they have to prepare the next generations a-as to the, the dangers of, of the system. And it's not about, you know, just about teaching them the, the backlashes or what could happen to them, but teaching them real tool, re-real things of value, like going to university, spending a hundred thousand dollars to get a useless liberal arts degree. Has no value. Becoming a mechanic, becoming an electrician, working with your hands, you know, farm, farming, actual real things of value, we have to get back to that. we, we've, we spent so much time and effort putting all our resources into this, academic nonsense
Speaker 1when you get a whole bunch of academics together and they're always wrong. So Go back to real things of value. Go back to real food. Go back to real education. And, you know, go back to, you know, real family. Stop, stop outsourcing your family to the television, to the iPhone, to, you know, YouTube. You know, you know, bring back game nights. Like the, the, I, I know these ideas sound silly, but they're, they're very, very important. If, if you wanna undo the damage that has been done, you have to do everything that they don't want you to do. What did they do? They destroyed the nuclear family. What did they do? They destroyed the food. They destroyed the education system. So you have to do everything in your power to do what they don't want you to do.
Ian MalcolmThat was so well, just beautifully stated, Gov, and I, I couldn't agree with that more. And it's so curious because in doing that, right, this idea of, of taking care of, of your mind, your body, and your soul, right? That, the-- it, it can be the smallest of things, just being more conscious about what you're putting into your body, which I know obviously Mr. Truthseller does his health and, and wellness spaces, right? so, so being cognizant of that, but, but also what you just said there But that idea of, of the game night, right? you think about it, and, and the modern rendition of, of people playing games within a household is dad on his iPhone, mom, you know, swiping through Netflix, and the kids are upstairs with their iPads, right? And instead, that, that notion of everybody just around a table, whether it's playing a, a game with cards or a board game, right? And that those are the things that we can do to, to recreate the kind of unity that once existed both at a local level within your, your house and Home, but also you apply those same principles to your community, and it's what we're trying to foster here on X, right? And building this kind of coalition of, of, of friends and essentially an extended digital family that are just trying to reinforce those positive ideas and ideals to, to try and bring about real change in people's lives, you know?
Speaker 1Yeah, 100%. I, I, I completely agree. so that, that's basically everything that I have to-- I'm, I'm sure everybody on here is well familiar with what's going on. I'm sure most of your audience knows everything that I've said. I, I'm sure they've heard it a hundred times, but that doesn't mean it's not worth repeating. I mean, repetition is the mother of all learning, right? So as long as we keep these ideas into the forefront, and keep discussing them, then they don't, you And die. so, you know, that's one of the reasons why I wanted to come up, up here.
Speaker 1so if anybody has any questions or if- Yeah. Why don't we,
Ian Malcolmopen it up if, if anybody, in the listener panel wants to come up and ask a question, it could either be, again, about the macro level here with these ideas of, of the fourth turning, this prospect that economically we're headed to a not, not so secure place, a lot of turbulence ahead, or if you have localized questions, go
Ian MalcolmBefore his predictions, and this is not financial advice, I wanna be clear about that a third time, but if, if you've got any questions about the macro markets, some of the commentary that he's sent me over the last two years has been wild with direct targets, expectations, timelines. I mean, he has been beyond brilliant, and what I could say is if I had, if I had treated his content as, financial advice and made some financial investments, it probably would have worked wonders. but right We don't ever want to treat any of these conversations or spaces as direct advocacy for that. Obviously, we want to be compliant with all the laws of the various nations in which we operate. But if you do have any questions for Gov, feel free to come up. And then otherwise, if not, I'll turn things over to Joanne, see if she's got any thoughts or, or comments on this or inquiries perhaps for the, the governor.
@joann_marieIan, thank you so much for hosting, and this is the first time that, that I hear you, Gov, and I absolutely love everything you said, and I'm, I'm so sorry I was late, I put, the alarm and, and let the phone away, so I came back and already started, but I'm really happy to be here, and no, I, I loved everything, and also, guys, please repost this space, and if you guys go to it, I will also repost it, and let's get more people in here because this, this conversation is amazing. So super wholesome that, that is the one of the things that I care the most about. The world is extremely toxic and I just love being a part of a community that is trying to heal it, not trying to burn it down, and I think that is just Beautiful. So, no, just really happy to be here and inspiring. It's, this is really inspiring, and thank you so much for, for hosting this.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. And, and Governor, so one, one little question here in the event that, that, nobody else takes us up on the offer, I'm kind of curious just at a macro level, right? You, you talked about individuals looking down the barrel perhaps of, fiat currency becoming less and less valuable via perhaps massive inflation. If that's the case, you know, obviously a diver- Diversified portfolio is always a benefit, but again, not financial advice. But if you wouldn't mind, you know, at the macro, if, if you're just thinking through large generalities that people could put into practice, is it, in, in your opinion, is now a good time for people to be, for example, moving to big, crowded cities? Should they be moving out into the suburbs? Should they be going even further out into the, the country and the farmland? Like, what, what do you think that people could do? Again, not specific financial advice, At the macros to best protect themselves from whatever it is that you think worst case scenario might be lurking around the corner.
Speaker 1Well, you know, I definitely wouldn't wanna be in a city or anywhere near a city because, you know, wh-what's the saying, you're just three, we're just three square meals away, away from chaos. They, they use anarchy, but anarchy is used wrong there, because they are trying to equate chaos with anarchy, and, you know, that's, that's a whole different subject altogether. but yeah, so being- In cities, no, not very good idea.
Speaker 1being reliant on the system, probably not a good idea either. the goal is to be, be self-reliant, right? Like the ideal, go- the ideal place would be, you know, to have a farm where it produces all your, your food, all your vegetables, all, all your, you know, livestock, where you can create a network of- with other farmers to trade and buy stuff that you don't have, through a bartering system, where you're not even using the dollar, you're using something called, you know, crisis currencies or, you know, a, a box of ammo is a lot more valuable to a farmer, than it would be to somebody else. He might take your box of ammo and, and give you a chicken, I don't know, just like something, something along those lines, you know, and that is again the beginning of, you know, the parallel Creating, networking and building back a community, forum, and so, you know, you know, h-have your own power supply, however that may work, geothermal or, or whatnot, have your own w-water supply Filtration systems, you know, backup generators, fuel storage, you know, the ideal place to be is, is, is very expensive and it's unreachable for, for most people. That's, that's the problem. the solution to that, I don't really have a solution to that, but, you know, that, if you ask me the ideal place, in my mind, the ideal place is to be as far away from, you know, a large, a large population as possible, give you the best chance
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, I, I think that's a really wise piece of advice, and isn't it curious because as you're making it, we also see articles left, right, and center talking about the cost of farmland skyrocketing through the ceiling because it's being gobbled up by all the same folks that are responsible in many ways for the destruction of the currency, right? So it's almost as if, what do you know, we look at these situations and it seems as if the people in charge are both destroying the, the currency while- Also trying to diminish the ability for people to go out and do the very thing that you're suggesting, but I, I couldn't,
Speaker 1and, and if you take a look at it, the main, the main driver here is, is greed, they, you know Give them, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say, "Oh, they're not trying to, you know, do this to us on, on purpose. they're just trying to, you know, increase their power, increase their, their own control and, and, and damn the consequences for everybody else." So, you know, let's print a whole bunch of money out of thin air and let's buy everything we can, let's buy all the gold, let's, you know, and, and, you know, the
Speaker 1last man standing, last man standing wins so, you know, if you take about, on, on, on your own street, if you live in, in a, in a suburb, you know, you have, you know, people competing with each other, oh, who's got this car or, or, you know, who, who, who's got the new fancy thing in their house. You know, on, on, on a, on a higher scale, you have these elites or what are the, the elites or whatever you wanna call them, they're also competing with each other to see who can get the most power
Speaker 1but in that entity, there's, you know, lots of, moving parts, there's lots of, you know, back and forth into controlling that upper, you know Part of society as well, you know, just like, you know, we're trying to compete with our neighbors, these guys are gonna trying to compete with each other as to who can have the biggest island, who can have the most farmland, who can have the most yada, yada, yada. So, you know, again, it, it goes down to human nature of greed and power and control.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and it's,
Speaker 1it's so
Ian Malcolmdisappointing. I'm, I'm-- every time I, I think about these types of subjects, I go back inevitably to Henry Ford, and
Ian MalcolmHow do I allow that success to beget success to beget a better life for those that work for me? And, and of course, you then look today and, you know, the, the, it, it seems as if nobody learned that lesson. Instead, everybody ran from it, and it's all about me, me, me and I, I, I. And I, I mean, I think Melinda Gates just donated something like twenty-six billion dollars or some-- not Gates, Bezos, right? Just, donated like twenty-six billion dollars Jeff Bezos is, where are those billions going, right? 'Cause in a lifetime, you couldn't spend the amount of money that some of these elites have, and yet they seem hell-bent on just accumulating more and more, even at the expense of everybody else.
Speaker 1Yeah, 'cause it, it, it becomes a disease, it becomes a sickness, right? It's like alcoholism or smoking or, you know, excessive eating. It's, it's just another addiction, addiction to control, addiction to, to greed. Like it's, you know, you know, addictions are everywhere, and this is their addiction. How much money, even though I can never spend it all, how much money can I accumulate? And not how much money can I accumulate to benefit the lives of everyone around me, but how much money can I accumulate so I can have more power You know, that is the main difference in, in, in, in, you know, Henry Ford. He wanted to get rich, but he wanted to get rich by helping others get rich and, and, and improving their lives. These people want to get rich and, you know, damn everybody else.
@joann_marieThey asked El Chapo, the, the leader of the cartel, that, and they were like, "How much money do you need?" Like, you know? And he was like, "No, I'm, I'm addicted to the control of it." So, yeah, no, you are one hundred percent correct about that. And, I'm, I'm loving this place, so thank you. Oh, and we have Christopher down there.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and I'll send him an invite. And, and real quick, I also want to give a massive amount of love to Mr. Dank, who's up here with us, who-- and, and, Gov, you might find this very interesting, so, because of Dank, not only are all of our old spaces getting catalogued and pushed up to, now it's Rumble, Spotify, Apple Music, it was, YouTube, but they came in and said, "Nope, you're not allowed to talk about certain issues." but as a So, shortly after we close this one out, you can expect to see it ported over to all those other platforms, and that is purely because of the brilliance of Dank, which I, I mentioned, because Governor, you were talking about this idea of the parallel economy, and that's one that has to be financial and then also information driven, right? And like you were saying, by having these conversations, we're kind of sprinkling those snowflakes, that might beget the avalanche. And he is a wonderful, contributor and, and, and- Instructor, I would essentially call him, right? He's, he's out there building all of these AI scripts that allow for the content to get moved around. So I, I just wanna give him an immense amount of thanks, ask him if he's got any questions or comments or thoughts for, for you, Governor, and then we'll come back to your thoughts on that idea of kinda building the, alternative, intellectual, kind of economy.
@joann_marieThanks
Speaker 2Hey, can you hear me?
@joann_marieYes, welcome. that I, I downloaded Rumble today just to, to subscribe to you, so thank you, you're an absolute superstar.
Speaker 2Thank you guys, you guys are, and very intelligent. I will, my goal is to be able to gain your speaking knowledge. Holy cow, I wish I could talk as intelligent as you guys. I've been listening to the spaces like while I'm in the car and while I'm driving and stuff, and it's, I mean, they're just amazing to have like accessible like that, where I don't have to sit there and fiddle with X's bullcrap AI or UI all the time. I was listening to the most, one of the recent spaces with,
Speaker 2With, Niche, man, that would, that one really hit, like, it was good. but I did have a lot on this topic, so I'm like, I'm not an expert in anything, I'm a jack of all trades, expert in none basically. but I do accounting by day, so like, I have a lot of like financial, like, questions and knowledge and, and things you may agree or disagree on, and I would love to like further on in this topic.
Speaker 2like, I do agree, like, the fiat currency has been a Like smaller people and then keep it in the hands of like, you know, these, the Rothschilds and people like that. Since the beginning, I mean, they've used, fiat currencies for like the French Revolution war, and they like took basically the-- they gave them this fiat currency and then took all their gold and then they decided when they wanted to make that currency no longer good and then basically allowed them to lose the war against, I believe, Britain, the Napoleonic Wars, I believe they are called. but, that was one thing I wanted to mention And then like the manipulation in the markets, like the stock markets, so you were talking about how like people are buying all these assets like gold and platinum and silver and everything, but if you've like been keeping an eye on it, like they've clearly set caps on these like paper, markets where like they, you know, if something like seems like it's gonna keep going up like gold too high, they basically set like a cap on it and it'll flatline, and that's like unheard of or you don't see that in stock markets, and then I, relate that To the oil, with the Iran war, like this amount of oil that's been withheld in this amount of time is like, you know, like ten, twenty, thirty, forty times more than ever in history, like with all the Iran conflicts, and the price of oil has only been like inflated by a tiny amount in comparison. So it's like, it's all basically just fake stock market paper trading, and the whole market seems like it's a big Hollywood show, and China is just like, you know, fake Economy that we have, it's like just like the manufacturing, like they, they all seem like they're just their piece, you know? And like being that world dollar, we obviously have to give up a lot, and I know that it's definitely, they know it's failing too, and that's kind of the reason for manipulating these stock markets 'cause like you gotta think like everybody has their money in like IRAs, like everybody that has like all their, Retirements and everything within the stock market, like it's all controlled by BlackRock and the Jews, so we know that, and they know that this shit's failing, though they actually didn't, correct me if I'm wrong, they, they've not like came up with this idea of the stablecoin, which is like instead of being having our shit backed up by oil, it'll be backed up by like these treasuries, where it's kind of like a circle jerk between,
Speaker 2you know, the treasuries and the stablecoin. so if you could follow on that It would be good to mention like stuff with Epstein and how the GME and the GameStop, like that whole class, the Epstein class, basically used that as a way of laundering money and, how he invested in Bitcoin early on, with the, like, the six initial developers. If you could follow up on that, I don't know. These are all great stuff for, this topic.
Speaker 1I'm here, I'm listening, I'm just outside, it might be a little bit noisy. How's the background noise?
Ian MalcolmIt's fine.
Speaker 1It's fine. so in terms of, you know, the stablecoin idea of backing the, the dollar with, with treasuries, that's a ludicrous idea because the treasuries are worthless, right? Why would you hold government debt when the government itself isn't solvent? So the whole idea of that is preposterous. And in terms of- You know, manip- manipulating the markets, that's what quantitative easing was, is the manipulation of the bond market. Now people talk about, you know, the S&P, the Nasdaq, the Dow Jones, the, the broader indexes, the, the stock market in itself, but the bond market is, you know, a hundred times the size, so if they're actually manipulating the bond market, then they're manipulating all other markets as well, inconsequential.
Speaker 1So if they're artificially driving the price of interest rates lower, then every other asset that drives its value is distorted as well. So there's no real price discovery. The price of oil that we see the futures market, that's not the real price of oil. And when oil was spiking, you know, one ten, one twenty back in, you know, I guess it was mid, mid March, late March, you know, I, I, I look at the charts and I said, "Oil's gonna come back down to sixty-eight dollars, sixty-seven dollars."
Speaker 1and the only reason why I said that was because the, the week that it spiked up, you know, I'm gonna get into technical, aspects, but the week that it spiked up, it, it had a clear gap in the charts, and the number one rule of trading, and, you know, I, I've said this to, to Ian so many times, is gaps always fill. So I said, the market's gonna come down, probably within the next few months, go and close that gap And then move back to the upside. On Friday, we had a partial gap fill. It was sixty-eight and change, maybe high sixty, low sixty-nines. so now I think that the price of oil is gonna start moving back up. But it's not, it's not real. It's, it's paper price. It's, it's fantasy. Everything that we see is all fantasy. There's no real price discovery in any market on the, on the planet.
Ian MalcolmAnd Gov, not, well, Dan, not sure if you wanna jump in and, ask any follow-ups on that.
Speaker 2I just wanted to know, like, what his, if that directly relates to, like, the Epstein laundering stuff with the GMEs and, like his initial investment in Bitcoin developers. So, I mean, I think that would be a good thing to lead it into.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm not really, an, an expert when it comes to, that. That's not something that I've really spent my time, you know, educating myself on. I just know that how, why would, billionaires, trust some-
Speaker 1He started, he was on, like, a, a, a hedge fund, and then he became filthy rich, you know, with no real, fin-financial knowledge or, you know, history. Don't forget his very well- Don't forget
Ian Malcolmhis very well-earned- If, if you know
Speaker 1something more about that, obviously, I'll, I'll be more than happy to listen in, but that's not something I can really, you know, go at length and talk on.
Speaker 2I can't go into length with it, but I do, like, it's a gen- it's a general, you know, fact that they use the GameStop and the GMEs, like, Rush as like a way of laundering their illegal money. I mean, they have many ways of doing it, but that was like one thing that was, in the files and like along that. Yeah, you're cutting out a bit. I think you're a little further away from your Wi-Fi.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think, yeah,
@joann_marieI'm gonna send him an invite. I think he needs to recycle.
Speaker 2But yeah, like even the, the Bitcoin stuff within the files, like he, he was, invested like, I think, fifty to a hundred K within, like when the Bitcoin had even, before it even launched, within the first like six developers, he had basically total control, from my understanding, unless somebody else has more in depth on it.
@joann_marieGob, are you back?
Speaker 1Yeah, I started talking about Epstein and got booted from the room. Sending him another invite.
@joann_marieOh, he, he's back again. Can you not hear him?
Ian MalcolmOh, I can't hear anything. I-it's, wow, this is a very awkward space. I'll, I'll try dropping out and jumping back in and see if it fixes it, but, but feel free to go for it.
@joann_marieOkay. Yeah, go, go for it, Gob.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was just saying that, you know, the, the, the history and whatnot of, you know, Epstein isn't something that I'm like super familiar with, more into the, the markets themselves, so that's not something that I'll be able to talk at length about.
@joann_marieSo now that they are, oh, sorry, wait,
Speaker 2who's- I'll, I'll finish here. I don't, I'm- Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. but I just re- like, I, like everything you say and you're like relating it to like this big, you know, group that has control, like we actually like kinda have the insight and the facts that we've seen them doing that, and that's like within that Epstein class, and it's, you know, that's kinda like why I keep relating it to that, and
Speaker 2it
Speaker 1And, you know, you know, to be honest with you, the way I see it is that there wasn't just one Epstein and there wasn't just, you know, one island, you know, and, you know, when they shut down, what was it, Lower Saint James or whatever the name of the island is, that, you know, all this money laundering and child exploitation and, you know, child tra-- child trafficking, it didn't just end, right? It just moved somewhere else. So, you know, it, it's still going on, a
Speaker 1and, you know, people get punished more for drinking in a park than, you know, these people who, which have been doing the absolute worst, you can do to another human being and it's gone unpunished. So it's just, you know, it's just very clear as to see,
Speaker 1just how much power and control they have over us, I guess.
@joann_marieThat's so insane because, y- there, there is so much child porn online, but they somehow find or, or like antisemitic memes and remove them, but they can't remove the child porn. Like, how is that even possible? Like, it's absolutely mind-blowing to me. It's, I'm, I'm, it's crazy. But no, th-thank you so much, girl. And now that, that there is no gold and, like, the gold and silver, like they are just- Manipulating the, the price completely, and I mean, like, is it, is it worthless now because it is-- Like, I know it's not worthless, but I mean, if they are like manipulating the price, it's basically, like, what should we do about that? Because when you divide your po-portfolio in so many different things, but if they are like manipulating it, then, then what?
Speaker 1So the, the way I go about it is I take a look, take a look at assets and compare it to other assets. So I take a look at what is overvalued and what is undervalued in terms of, you know, other assets. So, you know, historically, you know, silver was, you know, thirty to one, twenty to one with, with gold, and it dropped like eighty to one, even a hundred to one at one point. So at that point, silver was highly undervalued in terms of gold. So that said to buy silver, and then it rose, I forget when it rose back to when we had that huge spike,
Speaker 1gold, it moved back to like forty to one, forty-five to one. So that was a signal that, okay, silver is no longer extremely overvalued in terms of gold, maybe it's time to move my silver, out into, you know, other assets. So the best way to approach it is to take a look at a certain asset and compare it, to another asset asset and do that over a long period of time, like how many ounces of gold does it take to buy a house, and compare it to the historical average, our house is overvalued in terms of gold or undervalued? Do the same thing with oil, do the same thing with Bitcoin, and it gives you a completely different picture than when you're comparing it, for its, its dollar value. It kind of takes the dollar value right away, right out of the, the scenario altogether, and then you can find, assets that are undervalued historically, And move into it, and then maybe you're holding assets that are historically overvalued, and then trim that.
Speaker 1so that, that is probably, you know, what I do, what, what, what is the best way to do it, and 'cause it paints a completely different picture to comparing dollar for dollar assets, what they're worth.
@joann_marieOh my God, this is amazing. I want to learn more about this. I, I don't know, I don't know a lot, so this, this is, this is so interesting.
Speaker 2I have a really good point to add to that, the-- So if you can think of assets, which is like something you have, right? And then, like, it could be a house, it could be the money, like you have a hundred dollars in assets, and then you have liabilities, like something you owe. Okay? So, like, in my opinion, this is an imperfect, flawed system from the beginning. So even before banks, when there was merchant alliances
Speaker 2That bank would give you a receipt, and that receipt is now technically worth a million dollars worth of gold. But if you think of it as a bank, that bank had zero dollars in assets, zero dollars in liabilities, but then you gave them that million dollars of gold, now they have a million dollars of assets and, zero dollars liabilities, but they can take that million dollars and lend it to somebody else while still owing you your million dollars. So technically, the bank just created two million dollars for the merchant alliance. You could use the same analogy for the bank. So the bank, you put a Bank, they had zero dollars to start, you put a million dollars in, now they had a million dollars they can loan that money to someone else, and they still owe you a million dollars, so technically now they have two million dollars, they just created money. and then also on expanding on that, for social security, one thing that I like struggle with is like, okay, we all have to pay required, like, social security, Medicare, taxes, like, we put in this X amount of dollars so that we get X amount of dollars in the future. Well, that X amount Same that I, you know, in the future, and I can't even trust that it will be there in the future, and that's like even more of a topic now than ever, and then also like the amount of,
Speaker 2Like the, like everything is designed to be held, like I said, within BlackRock, like even for seniors, like 401ks, retirement plans, like all that stuff is dependent on stock markets. So like, if they don't control these stock markets, they lose all these, you know, these senior MAGA supporters that they've been, like, everything is designed, even the tax system, like they've been giving only seniors, in my opinion, tax breaks, like they give them a whole six thousand dollar additional deduction this year randomly. And it's all just for like voting rights and like, y-keeping these people in control, and like that's the whole basis of the whole system, in my opinion.
Speaker 1I wanted to go back to something that you said about, you know, bringing your, your million dollars in gold to the bank and then them giving you, a receipt. if you wanna bring it down to like the, the most simplest or the lowest common denominator, it would be no different than me taking a shirt to the dry cleaners and then giving me a, a, a claim check On that shirt. What, what is the value? Is it the claim check that said that I gave that shirt to the dry cleaner, or is it the dry cleaner that now has my shirt that can turn around a-and maybe sell it to somebody else? So, you know And in, in terms of, you know, back to your analogy about,
Speaker 1it, it being the actual bank, now they can hold that million dollars in gold, and then they can sell receipts or claim checks to other people saying that they can claim that million dollars in gold. So now you have ten people holding claim checks on a million dollars worth of gold when there's only a million dollars. Now they have basically ten million dollars out there that they, that they just created. And that's what they've done, it's basically fractional reserve lending.
Speaker 2And if you don't see the problem in that, that's, that's like, that's where our, that's why we, like you said from the beginning, like it's a system that if you mathematically look at it, it is designed to go to zero and fail, always.
Speaker 1It, it will, and it always has, right? Like, give me an example of a his- of a currency throughout history that has lasted more than a couple hundred years. It, it doesn't exist.
Ian MalcolmAnd while doing so, they are, to your point, they're kind of fleecing the system of everything of value and shipping it offshore, and that's why, you know, I always point to the United States and USAID and all the money going to, let's just say, those usual suspects countries, because they are basically taking the value that we are shipping over there, they are buying things of real tangible value in doing so, creating further inflation, which just diminishes the value of each and every average citizen of the country that's being exploited for the benefit of the hard assets of those That are the corrupt, right? The, the system is insane in that regard, and, and so, Gov, I'm, I'm just, kind of curious, one final question that I have for you. do you feel like the temperature of the average, Westerner is, is increasing in terms of their awareness to the system? And as a result, do you feel like there could be a possibility to bring together enough minds, enough voices, and enough ears where we could actually make a, a sizable difference and create that avalanche that you were referencing before?
Speaker 1I think the younger generations are starting to pay attention, starting to notice, because they're the ones that have, realizing they got sold the bill of goods, they picked up the short stick, but, you know, the, the, you know, millennials and, and up, if you haven't woken up by now, you know, n-nothing is going, is going to wake you up. Unfortunately, another thing that Yuri Bezmenov said is these people basically have to be replaced. so, you know, the word "replaced," you know, Use it as it me- as it means, but,
Speaker 1it, it, it comes down to, we're surrounded by, by useful idiots, un-unfortunately. but there is a, there is a silver lining, and, you know, throughout history, the number one cause of the-- I'm not advocating for it, I'm just saying this is a straight historical fact, the number one cause of the overthrowing of a government.
Speaker 1Has been rising food prices. Once the food prices rise above forty percent of your median, income, the conditions are more favorable for revolt than they are to comply and obey. So that is the line in the sand. They're well aware of it, and if food prices start to get up to, you know, your forty percent of your, of your income There's going to be a lot of very upset people across the age spectrum, doesn't matter if you're, you're young and old. so I think that is something that we, we should also take a look at and keep in mind.
Ian MalcolmAnd, really well stated. And, Dan, curious if you've got any thoughts on that before we kinda go to, I know we got cultivating, so curious if she's got any questions for, the governor, and if not, we'll, we'll just wind things down, after that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think the key is just like from the beginning is from extracting wealth from, you know, smaller people and ke-keeping it within the occult families. I think a good example even recently was when, like, Trump and all these technocrats and all these, people went to, China, right? The China's population is like the biggest saving population out of any country. They have like forty percent of the money they make is saved, and basically we're trying to get BlackRock in there and all that. All these, you know, vanguard companies and extract their wealth from them and, you know, give it to, to these billionaires. So it's all just a way of extracting wealth from people like us
Ian MalcolmNo, and it's, it's really unfortunate to see that, and, I kind of honored that we've got cultivating up here, and obviously she hosts a lot of spaces, so I'm gonna recommend everybody, please give an immense, amount of love and also thanks, via a follow, if you wouldn't mind, to, all the speakers that are up here, of course, to our, our honored guest, Mr. Gov, but also to, Dan, who again, he's the one that's porting all this content over
Ian MalcolmThousands, maybe tens of thousands, maybe millions of ears, thanks to the work and the ingenuity that he has and his expertise with AI. So I wanna give him an immense amount of love, please give him a follow. And, with that being said, ColdFusion, I'm kind of curious. You obviously host a, a ton of spaces. I'm curious what the temperature is on some of these ideas that I, I know when I used to share in your spaces, I took a lot of heat for, but always tried to do so in good faith. I'm
Speaker 3Oh, we, good evening, Ian, Joanne, and everybody, speakers and listeners. this, this temperature's, it's still boiling, sweetheart. So, like I said, I'm not gonna give up. I'm just gonna continue to, teach and, and, and learn, obviously, you know? and keep it moving. Listen, Ian, I'm not doing it for me, and I'm not doing it for people our age. I'm doing it for the children in the future and what we can do to just, the change,
Speaker 3The community, what can we do to better the community, not just the black community, but the white community, you know, just the overall Americans, you know?
Ian MalcolmI, I do, and that's why I, I love the spaces that, that you host. Always try to stop by and, and support where I can. I know things can get a little, little contentious sometimes, but, but always try to keep them lighthearted and informative and just honest. sometimes honesty can be a little bit brutal, and I know that this space,
Ian MalcolmI, I just You know, slightly informed on these things, like, Dan, who mentioned before, you know, he's, he's kind of professionally working in this field. Gov's been in this a long time, been talking about the economic landscape a long time on X, developed a massive following as a result. it's safe to say that he's an absolute expert in these subjects, and so really honored and humbled to have him and to try and share those truths with everybody, right? regardless of the, the demographic, the audience, the age, and like Cultivating said
Ian MalcolmBeautiful message. and so that, with, with that being said, let's go back to, to Dan, see if he's got any kind of, parting remarks here for us on either this topic or anything else. then we'll go back to, the governor to get some, some final words before wrapping things up.
Speaker 2I am just here to, for the movement, guys. Like, I'm, I have no purpose of being doing this other than that you guys are speaking truth. So, yeah, I mean, like, everything I've done is just to, like, like, she was saying is, like, for the betterment of my kids. I have three kids, so, yeah, like, their futures look very scary right now, and I don't, like, everything about it, it, it seems like it's always about the kids, like, even the, the- Powers that be, like they want the control of the kids. So, yeah, it's, it's really about just educating yourself so you can educate your kids and, make the world a better place. And thank you for having me.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And, and, certainly immense amounts of love, for everything that you've been doing and, and dank the, the work again to bring these faces to those other, prospective audiences. I, I, I can't thank you enough for any and every bit of it, and I'll never forget when In different ways, I, I wanna of course mention Velech, mention Tito, that have done a lot of work with AI videos, to Bandman, right? The, the guy that, his content I often share, right? The, these people I've, I've asked all of them, "What can I do to try and help with your monetization?" And every single person has said, "Look, I'm just here to try and make the world better for those that follow." And, and that is, that makes us essentially indestructible
Ian MalcolmWin against those that have all the, all the assets, right? but with that being said, let's go to, really quickly to, to, Mr. Governor, and then we'll, we'll pop back over to Joanne and see if she's got any parting words before we wrap things up.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know, what, what, what Brandon was saying about, you know, going after the children, right? His, his, he really fears for them because it's always going to attack the children. I think it was Aristotle that, that there was someone that said that, you know, give me a child until he is seven, and I'll, I'll show you the man. Is if, because a, a child's brain is so malleable, if you can shape it at a very young age that sets into cement, you've got
Speaker 1basically a bot for life. so that's why they target the ch- the children, and that's why the COVID policies were really harmful on children. They really changed, they, they robbed-- let's be honest, they robbed them of their, of their, of their future. And they, they created an entire generation. I have neighbors next door who, who are COVID kids. They never go outside. When I was growing up, we were outside all the time. These kids never go outside. Right. And it's actually scary. so, you know, the, the amount of, if there are people on the other side of that, you know, people in this room who have children that, you know, go outside and, and, and play, and, you know, you know, I commend you because it's, it's small acts like that that, that actually have a lot more, you know, power than, than, than you may think, you know, bucking, bucking the trend. you know, don't follow
Speaker 1the trend,
@joann_marieIt's crazy because remember in, in middle school that they used to have like those dances, and all the girls were like in one side, and all the boys were in one side, and it was like all awkward because we didn't know how to behave. The, they aren't like that, but in their twenties now, it's because of COVID, like that they didn't have those awkward interactions to, to learn from those mistakes and all of those things. So it's, it is pretty scary, and I don't, I hope, I hope it gets better. And I do have a lot of hope in, in Gen Z because they are actually like seeing everything, and I'm like very white-pilled about it. But I, I do see a lot of the awkwardness, and I hope, I hope it gets fixed because it is really wild.
Speaker 1They, they said it takes a, a village to raise a child. I think it's gonna take a child to raise a village because, y-y-that whole thing is gonna flip when that child grows up. Everybody around them is gonna see the differences, and maybe that child will spark change in the village. Instead of the village raising the child, it's gonna be the child that'll actually change the paradigm of that village.
@joann_marieThat's beyond full stop. I hope you come Tomorrow for spaces, I'm loving everything you're saying.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and, and he's a, a, a rare commodity around these parts, like you were saying, it took a little bit of a, a hiatus just because it's been such a crazy, crazy world. It can be all very demoralizing, but, I do, I wanna give an immense amount of thanks to, to the governor. He's always, just been so brilliant with his assessments on both the micro and the macro, on the economic and financial landscape. I can't thank
Ian MalcolmHere, but also those prior spaces that we've done, and, the ambition that we'll be able to do so in the future. Again, I just wanna call out nothing in here to, to be taken as purely financial advice or guidance. I say that because of the laws that we all operate under, and the desire for us to all be here on this app happily tomorrow. but he is, he's a wonderful account. I recommend everybody give him a big follow, give him a lot of love for the work that he's been doing. Really brilliant, insightful commentary that he
Ian MalcolmCharge anybody for access to his brilliance, but, so I wanna give him an immense amount of love. I also want to mention that we are gonna be having a, a follow-up subsequent conversation about an hour from now, so we will be seeing you all then as we're-
@joann_marieDid you cut off?
Ian MalcolmNo, but rather- Oh, I'm sorry about that. But, but rather just to suggest that, until we meet again in a not-so-distant future, I hope everybody has a lovely day. We will see you all shortly, and in the interim, God bless, Godspeed, as always.