Held here entire — 810 passages across 29 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00heated, combativeFBI Corruption & Epstein ConnectionsThe host opens the space discussing FBI corruption and its links to the Epstein files.
- 21:16grave, forebodingFBI's Role in Father's DeathDavid and Jon LeVeille prepare to share their father's suspicious death involving the FBI.
- 28:31guarded, evenPaul LeVeille's FBI CareerThe LeVeille brothers detail their father's military and FBI career leading up to his death.
- 43:56detached, weighingThe Toy Box Killer CaseDavid LeVeille describes his father's involvement in the David Parker Ray serial killer case.
- 54:14raw, woundedPatty Rust's Suspicious DeathThe brothers discuss the conflicting accounts of FBI agent Patty Rust's death during the investigation.
- 1:01:31grim, scorchedFBI's Lies and Cover-upThe LeVeille family questions the FBI's narrative and their attorney's role in the aftermath.
- 1:11:44disillusionedAttorney's Conflict of InterestThe family reveals their attorney's past ties to the DOJ and potential conflict of interest.
- 1:23:07bleak, drainedUnsafe Training ConditionsJon LeVeille explains how the FBI violated federal laws regarding flight training safety.
- 1:33:24hard, unyieldingThe Underpowered AircraftDavid details how an unauthorized and underpowered aircraft contributed to the fatal crash.
- 1:43:24cool, analyticalMonte Carlo SimulationsThe brothers used Monte Carlo simulations to prove the high probability of survival with a different aircraft.
- 1:53:44quiet, reflectiveFBI's Buried EvidenceThe FBI's internal report revealed critical evidence was omitted to cover up their negligence.
- 2:02:44sombre, searchingFighting for TransparencyThe family recounts their struggle to obtain documents and get answers from the FBI.
- 2:12:44charged, alertPolitical StonewallingThe LeVeille brothers describe how politicians ignored their pleas for help and justice.
- 2:22:44urgent, incendiaryLocal Government CorruptionThe family faces local government retaliation for speaking out, including illegal arrests.
- 2:32:44unsettlingMedia Blackout and BlackmailThe LeVeille brothers discuss the media's refusal to cover their story and the potential for blackmail.
- 2:44:24measured, soberEpstein Connection RevisitedThe family explores the potential links between David Parker Ray, Epstein, and their father's case.
- 2:52:44calm, distantAI for ResearchThe brothers discuss using AI for research and the challenges of model collapse and potential sabotage.
- 3:02:44murky, uneasyThe Handler PhenomenonThe discussion turns to the concept of 'handlers' and suspicious individuals in their lives.
- 3:12:44eerie, electricJustice System ObstaclesThe family highlights the financial and legal barriers to justice, including statutes of limitations.
- 3:22:44smouldering, restlessPolice Obligation and Jury NullificationA speaker discusses police obligations and the power of jury nullification in the justice system.
- 3:32:44heated, combativeGovernment as MafiaThe panel draws parallels between government operations and organized crime, emphasizing corruption.
- 3:42:44warm, expansiveThe Great AwakeningThe discussion shifts to the 'Great Awakening' and the growing awareness of societal manipulation.
- 3:52:44conflicted, dividedFalse Reality and Jewish SupremacyThe panel delves into the concept of a 'false reality' imposed by Jewish supremacy and its impact.
- 4:02:44dimmed, waryAI's Threat to HumanityThe conversation explores the potential for AI to control thoughts and create a dystopian future.
- 4:12:44melancholy, tenderHollywood's AwakeningThe panel discusses prominent figures like Mark Ruffalo speaking out against Israel, signaling a shift.
- 4:16:35broodingFinal Thoughts and Call to ActionThe LeVeille brothers offer parting words, encouraging support for their website and continued activism.
- 4:17:35dry, matter-of-factAI's Threat to Human IntellectIan Malcolm warns about AI's potential to dumb down humanity and create a subscription-based thought control system.
- 4:25:13grave, forebodingFinding Needles in the HaystackIan Malcolm encourages finding and empowering intelligent individuals to build a movement for truth.
- 4:32:47tentative, hopefulHollywood's AwakeningIan Malcolm discusses Mark Ruffalo and John Cusack's criticism of Israel, suggesting a shift in Hollywood's stance.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmWe will see if you can name that tune. We'll also see if the space is even working because I am seeing more glitches and errors. I had to start a brand new one because the one that we scheduled refused to cooperate. JoAnn, is the audio working for you at all?
@joann_marieIt is working, Annie, and thank you so much for hosting. I missed you so much all weekend. And I've never heard this song. I'm never going to get to 10 again. This is just never going to happen. It's something about a gun or something.
Ian MalcolmSomething about, yes, it is about a gun.
@joann_marieIt does have a gun, right? It talks about a gun in there. I don't know who sings it, though.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, no. You don't have to name, no, no, no. It would not be, can you name that artist? That one would be a bit obscure, but you've never heard that one, huh?
@joann_marieI don't think so. All right. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe in movies, but I'm not 100% sure.
Ian MalcolmWell, let's see if somebody in the listener panel can support JoAnn. If you can name that tune, put it in the purple pill. If you could, share the space, all those other good things. And we will see who the first person to get this tune. Mr. V, I've got to ask you, because we got you up here. Are you familiar with that legendary introduction?
Speaker 1I am not, and I wasn't listening, so I apologize.
Ian MalcolmApologize? No, we are here for fun. There are no apologies in this room, unless you are a Jewish supremacist, and then we won't get the apology because that's the problem with supremacists. They want to apologize even when they shouldn't. They're in the wrong. But we'll see if somebody can put that into the purple pill.
Ian MalcolmIn the interim, I will just let everybody know for those that are not familiar with it, it does have to do with essentially this idea of the criminal underground. That would be a hint for those that are still trying to figure it out. And the unfortunate reality of the violence that comes there from. Right? And in the world that we find ourselves in, isn't it... Hey, Ricardo, how are you?
Ian MalcolmRicardo, are you having a good day? No, it's okay. Ricardo, are you having a nice day? Are you able to communicate, Ricardo?
Ian MalcolmIs that a hello? I'm going to try and be apologetic if so. What do you mean? What do you mean? Are we able to formulate some words or no? We can try trolling or I control the troll. Can you be a big boy and use your words please? What? Okay, we got a what. Can you be a big boy and put on your intellectual baby pants? and try to formulate a coherent statement that we can all either agree with or disagree with.
Ian MalcolmI think he's singing a song. Are you singing a song? As Adam Sandler, also a Jew, once suggested. Yes, OJ Simpson, not a Jew. But guess who is? Hall of Famer Rod Carew. I think that's how it goes. Ricardo, no, I'm sorry, Mr. Ricardo Reporter. If you are a reporter, I hope you are doing so with ink or with a keyboard and not your vocal cords, because that was hard to listen to.
Ian MalcolmAnd so if you're going to be a troll, try to deliver something that is a little bit more witty, because otherwise we will troll the trolls. That's how we do things. We will supremacist the Jewish supremacists. We will troll the trolls and we'll make everybody look like fools that come up in not good faith. And so we will always have fun with those that try to have fun with us.
Ian MalcolmIsn't that a great way to utilize this platform? So that being said, the theme song, I don't know if anybody was going to get it, but that was the intro to a very popular piece of cinema. The Sopranos
Ian MalcolmAnd again, isn't that a fitting thing? Because obviously in these spaces we talk a lot about the Epstein files and how the people in charge are protecting literally a pedophile ring that have blackmailed and bribed virtually all of these people in positions of power. That is the world that we unfortunately find ourselves in.
Ian MalcolmAnd so you've now got these agencies That whether it is, and I saw a post earlier today, somebody is basically saying, how could New York ever elect a Muslim given this? And then they host up the picture of the Twin Towers. And I saw David Nietzsche in the comments section. Yeah, I mean, that was Israel, right? And now I'm not advocating that New York City should have a Muslim politician.
Ian MalcolmI suppose it's reasonable that somewhere across the country, You will have proportional if we have a reasonable society. Maybe there will be a proportion of politicians that are Muslim that would be in alignment with perhaps their representation in the general public. It seems like a reasonable thing, right? And I would say the exact same thing with all sorts of groups.
Ian MalcolmUnfortunately, that Muslim is in charge of New York City because he's funded by George and Alex Soros. He is a piece of Jewish supremacy. And we all see that. We all know that. So why is he there? He's there to weaponize the left wing against the middle class, largely Christian, once white New Yorkers, right? No different than the right wing are doing the exact same thing just via a different mechanism, right?
Ian MalcolmSo we see that all of that is a ruse. We see that a lot of the agencies that are supposed to be protecting us, well, they're protecting this same elite set of interests. And we can go all the way back. to our beloved John F. Kennedy. And I say our because in a lot of ways, not just Kennedy, but I guarantee you're also going to see as the noticing continues, a revival of the legacy of Richard Nixon because he also spoke against these people.
Ian MalcolmIt doesn't mean that he was flawless. Neither was Kennedy, right? These guys had all kinds of pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses like we all do. We're all failed and flawed in our own way, but we try to do the best that we can, right? So I say this because isn't it curious, right? That going all the way back, essentially, you didn't go before the world wars, right?
Ian MalcolmWe can look at the first president who then after the second world war, who declared essentially Israel, it recognized Israel, right? As its own little state, it recognized the idea of Zionism. Weird that that guy was prospectively coerced by all kinds of mechanisms, including perhaps that mechanism that went after Kennedy, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so we see all these things and we see that our systems of law enforcement, our intel agencies, They are compromised and corrupted from the top all the way down to the bottom. And if we go ironically back to one of those head honchos of the Intel community, who do we find? None other than George Herbert Walker Bush, right?
Ian MalcolmSo very curious that that individual, not only would he become president, but so too would his son, right? And these agencies, have they been looking out for us or perhaps a different group? After all, it was George H.W. Bush who passed the Noahide laws. And I was thinking about this just because Diligent Denison had a space talking about how, where they basically took Tyler Robinson squarely on the ceiling.
Ian MalcolmThey have the Star of David. And he shared it up and he said, whoa, look at this. And I commented and I always try to call balls and strikes. And I said, well, I mean, it's not too uncommon because after all, that's the... Logo of a whole bunch of sheriff's departments, right? And so I went to Grok and apparently 30 or so percent of the sheriff's departments across the United States utilize a six rather than a seven pointed star, right?
Ian MalcolmSo obviously this is something that is, let's say it was one of the rare occasions. I actually said to Diligent, this is the first time I'm going to be the guy that says, well, it could be a coincidence. And so I looked into, for what it's worth, just as a quick aside, I looked into where that logo originated. And according to Grok, it goes back to the middle of the 1800s where the sheriffs, the lawmen, the Texas Rangers, these people would utilize a star that they would be able to cut out because it was a far easier insignia that they could make very cheaply and bestow upon a person to say, this is our lawman.
Ian MalcolmSee, he's got this badge, right? So I bring all of these things up just because these agencies will once upon a time. When that guy was walking around with that six-pointed star, I suppose, or five-part, whatever it was, that lawman, well, he represented the people. The ones today clearly do not. And whether or not that six-pointed star in the law offices where I suppose Tyler Robinson was taken, who are they covering for?
Ian MalcolmAnd it certainly doesn't feel like they are looking out for us. It feels like there's an entire machine dedicated to burying the truth around this story. I don't want to say frame, right? Because I can't say with absolute certainty that Tyler Robinson is innocent, although it certainly seems far more reasonable to suggest that if nothing else, there is beyond probable doubt that he didn't do it, right?
Ian MalcolmBut nonetheless, these agencies are obviously, there's all kinds of weird things going on around here with the timeline, right? And similarly, we can look at the Kennedy assassination. We can certainly look at other... McFarlane, and many more.
Ian MalcolmBarrack Obama coming out the day it happened saying, wow, if only I had been there, maybe I could have done something, right? Pretending that he wasn't there. Then he comes out later and says, well, I was, which you would think the media at that point would say, wait a second, why did you say you weren't there if you were?
Ian MalcolmThat's kind of weird, right? But obviously the media, just like the law, just like the sheriffs, just like the CIA and the FBI, they're not looking out for us. They're looking out for somebody else. LeVeille. Four minutes worth on the Obama. Go fact check that one. I always like to make sure that I'm absolutely accurate with everything I say, but go look that up.
Ian MalcolmDid Barack Obama suggest he wasn't on the island at the time of that guy's murder? I'm pretty certain that he did. We're going to go and fact check that. While we do, we're going to turn things over to Ms. JoAnn. We're going to introduce David Nietzsche, who is here with us. Lots of love to this panel. This is a good crowd that we got here.
Ian MalcolmWe will then open it up. To our speaker of the day, who's going to be talking about how the law enforcement that we just discussed, well, they might have been not only covering up, but prospectively even involved with the death of his father. And so with that being said, JoAnn, let's go over to you and then we'll go to David and then go down to introduce Jon.
@joann_marieThank you so much for hosting and everybody for being here. And yeah, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And also please bookmark it. It helps so, so much with the algorithm. And Jon and David, I'm so sorry about what happened to you guys. And hopefully this space helps you and your family to get some...
@joann_marieKosher, or I don't know. The corruption inside the FBI and all of these organizations needs to just stop. So hopefully something good comes out of this, and I'm so happy that you guys are here. And David, how's mom? Where is she?
@nietzsche258918She's actually about 10 feet away from me. Let's go!
@joann_marieI'm adopted by David and Mrs. Nietzsche now. I just... I just want to have Mrs. Nietzsche's cooking and yeah, now they're my parents. How are you, David? I'm actually making pasta right now, by the way.
Speaker 2Mom!
@joann_marieDelicious. What kind of pasta?
@nietzsche258918What kind of pasta? It'd be better if you said it. Penne pasta. How would JoAnn say that?
Speaker 3Penne pasta.
@nietzsche258918Scranci. What does that pasta woman say? Hey, you sound like her.
Speaker 3Mangia.
@nietzsche258918Mangia, yes, that's it. Wonderful to be here, my friend. Yes, just here for the show.
@joann_marieHi, well, thank you. Thank you so much for being here, Dad and Mom. She's right there.
@nietzsche258918For everyone else, she insisted that we adopt her for the cooking.
@joann_marieAnd I'm so happy that you guys said yes, because I would be heartbroken.
@nietzsche258918We're getting the room ready and everything, you know, like the pink and all of this.
@joann_marieI love pink, yes, yes. I'm so excited. Thank you, David. All right, Jon, welcome. How are you?
@ayoungstoicThank you, thank you. I'm doing well. Thanks for setting it all up.
@joann_marieIs he breaking up a little bit?
Ian MalcolmThe audio was cutting out a little bit there. Yep. Jon, can you hear us?
Speaker 2I can hear you.
@joann_marieAre you able to? No. Oh, boy.
@joann_marieOkay, should we recycle here?
@nietzsche258918Maybe if he puts the periscope up above the water and his submarine will at least be able to like connect a little bit because we're almost hearing nothing.
@joann_marieJon?
@nietzsche258918Testing, testing.
@joann_marieNo, really bad.
@nietzsche258918How about David? See if we can hear him.
@joann_marieYeah, David?
@nietzsche258918Hey, can everybody hear me?
@joann_marieYeah, you sound great.
Speaker 4Oh, awesome. Okay. All right. I'll kick us off then and get it started while Jon gets his mic figured out. Thank you all for having us, especially you, Ian. We really appreciate the opportunity to tell our story and talk about what's happened here because what you were saying a few minutes ago about the press being in with the corruption,
Speaker 4It's not just in law enforcement and the intelligence agencies, but it's really bad in the intelligence agencies and the FBI included. And yeah, like we don't get press coverage on this story. There's some pretty explosive stuff that we're going to cover tonight. And it's really kind of shocking.
@davidpleveilleI mean, it's shocking, but it's not shocking at the same time that the press doesn't want to talk about this because. In a perfect world, this would be an incredibly newsworthy story. But the press has an agenda, and telling the truth is not exactly on that agenda.
Speaker 4So it is very rare that we get opportunities like this. So we're very grateful for the opportunity to share our story here tonight. I know Jonathan's got some remarks prepared. That he was going to kick us off with. But I'll go ahead and because I know a bit of what he was going to say. He was planning to kind of introduce our stories.
Speaker 4Is this a good time to go ahead and do that, Ian? Or are we just doing introductions right now?
Ian MalcolmWell, no. And perhaps while we're waiting for it, maybe we should test the audio with Jon and just see if there's anything that he'd like to offer. on his personal side of
Ian MalcolmLeVeille.
Ian MalcolmYou know, the pleasure is all on my side. I just want to thank you guys for being here. But, Jon, is the audio working for you?
Ian MalcolmAnd maybe not. So if not, David, certainly we can kind of continue on course. And maybe the best place to start is just to provide... A little bit of an overview rather than immediately diving into the details. Maybe just give us a bit of an overview of the trajectory of your father, right? How did he get into this line of work?
Ian MalcolmI'm sure that he was doing it from a sense of patriotism and honor, right? Trying to make the world a better place. So I'd be curious for his backstory, maybe, you know, how you guys came into the mix in terms of being brought into this beautiful world. And then maybe we can work our way from the back to the front in terms of leading up to the moment of this.
Speaker 4Yeah, absolutely. So my family on both sides, we've got a deep military lineage on both sides. And my grandpa, he had been career Air Force. So my dad, he followed in his dad's footsteps, wanted to go into the Air Force.
@davidpleveilleAnd he ended up... I'm not sure exactly how he ended up in Air Force Intelligence, but he ended up in Air Force Intelligence.
Speaker 4So this was during the Cold War, and him and my mom were both in Air Force Intelligence. And they grew up 50 miles apart in the States in Maine, but they met on the other side of the planet in Japan, burning top secret papers together. They both got put on burn duty, and that's how they met. And then they ended up getting married, obviously.
@davidpleveilleSo my dad was an analyst.
Speaker 4And my mom, I forget the name of her role, but she was doing something involved with intercepting signals.
@davidpleveilleAnd she used this huge machine like the size of a refrigerator that the NSA built. And so she worked on that machine. My dad was one of the analysts. And my dad was very good at what he did. And he progressed very quickly. He ended up making E5 within two and a half years, something like that, which is unheard of. That's an insane rate of progression.
@davidpleveilleBut he was very, very good at what he did. But he only stayed in the Air Force for about four years. And then after that, he went back to college because he had a little bit of college. He went and finished his degree. While he was finishing his degree, the Army National Guard came. and recruited him to fly helicopters for them.
@davidpleveilleAnd so he, once he graduated, he went into the Army National Guard, flew helicopters for them. When Desert Storm happened, he was the commander of the medevac unit during Desert Storm. And then when he got back from Desert Storm, he spent about 10 years or so doing drug interdiction missions on the Southern border. and so it was while he was doing that for the Army National Guard that one of oh oh well okay so along the way they'd had a few a few kids so my oldest sisters were in the picture by this point I was in the picture and then Jonathan was in the picture and then the youngest two came along
@davidpleveilleLet's see, my youngest brother would have been born, I think he was born after dad joined the FBI, and then my youngest sister, she was born just 10 months before he died. So while he was still in the Army National Guard doing drug interdiction missions, one of his buddies said, hey, Paul, the FBI is hiring.
@davidpleveilleI'm thinking about applying. Why don't you go with me? And so my dad wasn't really keen on the idea initially, but his buddy kind of dragged him into it. And so finally, he went with them, and they both applied. And his buddy actually didn't end up making it, but my dad did. My dad had quite the resume, obviously being in Air Force intelligence.
@davidpleveilleHe's already got a top secret security clearance. He was very good at what he did in the Air Force. And then the skills that he picked up with the Army National Guard as a pilot and also working drug interdiction missions and his degree that he'd gotten in college. It was something like computers related. So the whole picture, he had a very attractive resume for the FBI.
@davidpleveilleAnd so it was 1996. When he went through the FBI Academy. And.
@davidpleveilleSo he started out just as like like all agents do, you know, you're just like you're at the ground level and, you know, he was just working cases the same way every agent does. But he found out about the hostage rescue team.
@davidpleveilleand that was that was what he wanted to do you know he was very competitive very driven kind of individual and HRT that is like the closest you can get to like delta force in the civilian world um HRT hostage rescue team you know is the FBI's like premier anti-terrorist kind of force and um you know he was a very high speed competitive kind of guy
@davidpleveilleand he wanted to do that. So HRT, they've always trained like from their founding, they trained with Delta and with SEAL Team Six and they still do to this day. But one of the things that they looked for back then and they still look for is they're very biased towards pilots who are both rotary wing and fixed wing certified.
@davidpleveilleIf you can fly both, It makes you a very attractive candidate to them because of the mission types that they do. And so my dad, at this point, he's an experienced helicopter pilot. But he'd always been interested in flying planes but had not had the opportunity. And so he went and got his private pilots on his own, on his own time, on his own dime.
@davidpleveilleAnd then once he had his private pilot license, He went and talked to the FBI about putting him through more advanced flight schools. And so he ended up... I'm not sure exactly... So I don't have an exact timeline of how his career progressed in the FBI during the three and a half years that he was in, because the FBI will not give us... We've requested a lot of that documentation through FOIA, but the FBI...
@davidpleveilleIt's just been like playing hardball with us. They don't want to give us anything. So I don't know a whole lot about what he did while he was in and exactly when the transition occurred. But I know the summer when he died, he was going through a lot of flight schools that summer, advanced acrobatics and different things like that.
@davidpleveilleAnd the mountain flying school that he died in was One of those.
@davidpleveilleSo leading up to him passing, there was a lot of strange things that started to happen.
@davidpleveilleSo he worked on a very, very big serial killer case just a few months before he died. It's the case of David Parker Ray, the toy box killer. And that was in Elephant Butte, New Mexico. And Elephant Butte is just a few hours drive from Jeffrey Epstein's Zorro Ranch. And my dad was stationed at the FBI's El Paso field office, which also is just a few hours from Jeffrey Epstein's Zorro Ranch.
@davidpleveilleWe know that there's a thread of a connection between Jeffrey Epstein and the school where David Parker Ray was teaching. So he was obviously a prolific serial killer. He had a mobile, what do you call it?
@davidpleveilleNot a mobile home, but like one of those big portable boxes, a shipping container that he had turned into a torture chamber. And he would torture women and murder them there and bury the bodies and just a horrific, horrific thing. And so this was a massive, massive investigation the FBI sent. I heard as many as 100 agents may have been deployed.
@davidpleveilleon this investigation. It was really huge. And one of the female agents who was on this investigation reportedly committed suicide during the investigation. She was the sketch artist. And we're still trying to find out more about what happened to her. Her name is Patty Rust. And we've heard different reports. On What Happens to Patty Rust.
@davidpleveilleThere's a guy who wrote a book called Cries in the Desert, John Glatt. And in his book, he mentions Patty Rust and mentions her committing suicide. And what he says is that she had been in the torture chamber for five days sketching. And she came out on the fifth day. and she was so consumed with just grief and trauma from what she had seen that she kills herself with her service weapon.
@davidpleveilleSo we've put in FOIA requests to get information about Patty Rust, but the FBI is still dragging their feet on that. I don't know if we're gonna get them or not, but we did get the opportunity earlier this year to talk with A man who was a former co-worker of my dad's at the El Paso office. And he told us a completely different story about what happened to Patty Rust.
@davidpleveilleThe story that he told us was that she took a shot at another federal agent who she had been dating because they'd had no argument and that she fired at him after their fight. and then she killed herself outside of his apartment. So those are two wildly different stories and we don't know what the truth is. But what we do know is that that all sounds really sketchy and really strange.
@davidpleveilleAnd when that happened, like I still remember her funeral because I remember like as a little kid, I was seven years old and I remember seeing my dad He had his FBI badge, and he was putting black electrical tape across it. And he was really getting agitated. He was in a very, very agitated mood. And he just kept ripping the tape off and doing it over and over again.
@davidpleveilleAnd something was really, really bugging him. And I remember that vividly in my mind. But I didn't remember who the agent was, because it wasn't an agent that I knew. Some of my dad's co-workers, but not everybody. And I didn't know Patty Rust. All I knew was that an agent had died, but I didn't know who it was. We figured this out years later that it was Patty Rust.
@davidpleveilleAnd my dad was really agitated about this. And then his behavior started changing in the months after Patty's death.
@davidpleveilleHe started talking with... My older sisters, you know, saying things like, you know, if I ever die, I don't want you guys to be sad forever. And he started talking with my mom. He's like, you know, we need to create a will like we both really should have wills. And like he had a man cave kind of up in the attic area and it was pretty messy.
@davidpleveilleYou know, he was a bit of a pack rat. And my mom found him. LeVeille, Jon LeVeille
@davidpleveilleIn retrospect, especially like knowing the things that we know now, looking back on all that, it's like. OK, coincidences do happen, but at the same time, it really just like. It's kind of it's kind of suspicious, like it really kind of looks like he had a strong feeling like something was going to happen to him before something did happen to him and.
@davidpleveilleAs we've pieced the pieces together now, we cannot prove definitively that the FBI explicitly plotted and then said, we're going to murder Paul LeVeille and then murdered him. We can't prove that they did that at this point. What we can do is like we can point out these strange things that occurred before he died. And then we can point out what we know for a fact did happen with his death and what the FBI said happened.
@davidpleveilleAnd those two things are very, very different. And we absolutely can prove that the FBI's narrative that they've been spinning from day one is an absolute lie. The FBI has always said that this was just an accident. And like the day after it happened, Louis Freeh, the director of the FBI, came out. He's on record, you know, as having said that this was just.
@davidpleveilleSorry.
@davidpleveilleSomebody say something. Oh, John, no, continue. OK, so Louis Freeh said the day after my dad died. He called it an accident. And I know that normal people can use that word like, oh, I had a car accident or this kind of accident. People use that term. But when you're the head of the world's premier investigative body, I think that you should be more precise with your words.
@davidpleveilleYou can use things like an incident, crash, a fatality. There's a bunch of different terms that all work that you can use that do not Make a statement about the cause, the causation of what happened.
@nietzsche258918Especially a day later, right? I mean, that's very anti-FBI for them to preemptively say that, because normally they seem downright bureaucratic about their investigations. It could be three months, but here he's saying it almost oddly and defensively at the beginning. I agree with you there.
@davidpleveilleYeah, so we thought that that was... In retrospect, we think that that's very strange. At the time, a lot of people ask, why are you guys only kind of figuring this out so long later? Well, a big part of it is because we were all so young when it happened, and our mom was the only one who was an adult. So she was not going all Sherlock Holmes on this whole thing.
@davidpleveilleShe lost like 50 pounds in the months after. She was just an absolute train wreck. She's left with six young kids. ranging from 10 months old to 11 years old all on her own and like she's just drowning in grief and responsibility and you know so like combing through all this stuff and you know asking the questions of did the FBI lie did they say she was not asking those questions she was just trying to keep her wits together and you know cope um and that was her state for
@davidpleveilleI would say a good 10 years. It took her a very long time to get to the point where she would even talk about this. She completely shut down on this for a long, long time.
@ayoungstoicNot to cut you off there, David, but assuming you can hear me.
@joann_marieYeah, we can, finally.
@ayoungstoicWelcome down. Sorry about the difficulties there. I was just going to butt in and say she
@ayoungstoicShe had a policy of us not celebrating her birthday because it was so close to that date that it just reminded her every time she had a birthday of his death.
@davidpleveilleHer birthday was the day before he died.
@davidpleveilleGo ahead, Jon. I was just piping in with that.
@ayoungstoicOh, sorry. Yeah, no, that's basically what I was cutting in there to say. Go ahead. You do a great job.
@davidpleveilleOh, okay.
@davidpleveilleWhere was I at?
@davidpleveilleIt took her about 10 years. Oh, yeah. So she's coping with her grief. We're all really, really young when this happened. And by the time that we ended up getting old enough to start asking critical questions, we're in the position of all the records have have all been destroyed because our attorney, and this was the next big thing, our attorney played a pivotal role in keeping us from ever getting to the truth.
@davidpleveilleSo we were all very young and you would think that the attorney, when you've got seven clients and six of them are young children, you would think that you would go, I should probably preserve these case files so that the six out of seven of my clients here who haven't seen the case files, they're probably going to want to see them someday and are going to want to know what happened.
@davidpleveilleWell, he apparently didn't think that. And so presumably he destroyed them all. California, he was he was from California, allows attorneys to destroy the case file after five years. And he just like. Cut off contact with us after the case. Presumably, he destroyed our case files. He plays a really pivotal role in all of this because the FBI was, even though we didn't know that they were responsible, because they were involved, they're a potentially liable party in
@davidpleveilleA situation like this, even though there's laws that that bar us from being able to sue the FBI as an institution, which I think is absolutely evil and unjust, that we would be prohibited from suing the FBI. But there are laws that prohibit us from doing that. But nevertheless, there are still a potentially responsible party for what happened.
@davidpleveilleAnd as such, it is completely inappropriate for them To then go and refer to the widow of the man whom they are potentially responsible for getting killed, they referred this attorney to our mom. And they did it indirectly in a weird way. I think they came to my uncle at the funeral just days after the crash. And they came to my uncle and said, hey,
@davidpleveilleWe are friends of Paul LeVeille and we wanted to recommend these attorneys to Joyce. But it's really weird that they wouldn't just come to her directly because my mom knew at least a lot of my dad's friends in the FBI. So if they're really friends of his, why didn't they come to his widow with a recommendation of here's an attorney that you should hire?
@davidpleveilleIt's weird that they went to my uncle instead. So we don't have the names of these agents. We just know that they identified themselves as friends of Paul LeVeille. But in any case, it's completely inappropriate for them to do that. That creates a conflict of interest because the interests of the FBI and our interests are juxtaposed in this situation.
@davidpleveilleAnd it gets much worse because this attorney was previously in-house counsel for the DOJ and worked FBI cases. So clearly there were relationships here and we didn't know about that. And he didn't disclose that as being an issue to our mom. Instead, he kind of presented it like a selling point. And, you know, here she is.
@davidpleveilleShe's just an emotional train wreck. And he put a lot of pressure on her to hire him very quickly. He got her to hire him in. It was under a month from when the crash happened to when she hired him because. This attorney put a lot of pressure on my mom to hire him. And he then immediately begins playing a role where the moves that he made, there's just a steady pattern of he's looking out for the interests of the FBI, not for the interests of the widow and the six kids who he's supposed to be representing.
@davidpleveilleAnd so as the case goes on, There's critical evidence that gets discovered that's smoking guns that are pointing at the FBI. And he just ignores all of that. And I forgot to mention, he's also an aviation law specialist. So he's a former Marine. He's a pilot himself. He was teaching aviation law at, I think it was UCLA.
@davidpleveilleAnd so this is his area of expertise is specifically aviation law. There were some huge smoking guns that get discovered in this case and he just like completely ignores them. You know, and he's just like looking out for the FBI the whole time and instead focuses in on the private contractor that was Colorado Skyways that was contracted to provide the training for the FBI.
@davidpleveilleAnd so when the FBI's investigative report came out, We have a letter from him a few months earlier saying, when I get the report, I will send it to you. But he never did that. He sent us the narrative portion of the FBI's report, and then all of the supporting evidence, the photographs, and all of the evidence that comes with that to support all the claims in the narrative portion, he withheld all that.
@davidpleveilleHe didn't send us any of that. And as we've now found out, There was some critical evidence in there.
@davidpleveilleAnd the FBI has now acknowledged to us that they've begun destroying some of that evidence. Within the last 12 to 18 months or so, they've begun destroying this evidence. And we've only gotten a fraction of it. But the fraction that we have got is incredibly damning.
@davidpleveilleThe FBI's ultimate ruling, their ultimate decision regarding causation was that the crash occurred as a result of the flight instructor's improper decision to enter a box canyon to conduct. So this was a mountain flying school. And one of the maneuvers that they were taught was how to escape a box canyon. and the FBI ruled that the instructor's decision to enter a box canyon that was too narrow directly led to the crash and contributing factors were there was a strong downdraft coming down the canyon wall that also caused the crash and the aircraft was underpowered.
@davidpleveilleBut the primary cause they blame the dead instructor who cannot speak and what we've discovered is that's just absolute nonsense like it's it's okay the the instructor so first of all and if if you go to our website we we published the website today um it's paullevier.com And we've got a lot of information on the website and there's going to be a lot more coming.
@davidpleveilleBut on the website, I have a topographical map that you can zoom in and out on that shows the site of the crash. You can actually see the box canyon in there. And there's a pin where the FBI put the coordinates for where the plane ended up.
@davidpleveilleAnd so what we have discovered is the FBI claims that this training flight was correctly authorized. But I would argue that it's impossible for this training flight to have been correctly authorized because the FBI also acknowledges in the same report that the aircraft itself was not authorized for use by the FBI. The plane that the crash occurred in was a Piper Archer.
@davidpleveilleAnd the Piper Archer was not cleared for use by the FBI in this training program. And there's a reason for that. It was not sufficiently powered for this type of work. And the other two options were the Cessna 172.
@davidpleveilleYou'll look at the specs and go, well, they both had 180 horsepower. Yes, but the Cessna 172 is an above wing aircraft. The Piper Archer is a below wing aircraft and their performance characteristics are different. The Cessna 172 had a higher rate of climb and a higher service ceiling. And then there was a third aircraft that was also permitted.
@davidpleveilleWell, really, there were only two aircraft that were permitted, and they were both Cessnas. You had the Cessna 172s, and then you had the Cessna 182, which is a larger plane, and that one was designated for larger pilots. My dad was over six foot. His instructor pilot was over six foot, so they were the biggest guys in the class.
@davidpleveilleThey should have been in the biggest aircraft, but the biggest aircraft should have been a Cessna 182, which is also what the FBI was using operationally as well. So it was an aircraft that my dad would have had plenty of experience flying. With the Piper Archer, they found no evidence that my dad had ever flown in a Piper Archer or any low wing aircraft before.
@davidpleveilleAnd that matters because when you're flying a new type of aircraft, there's adjustment, there's acclimatization to that aircraft that goes on. And he's being thrust into an extremely hazardous It shouldn't have been so hazardous, but the way the program was structured was just absolutely grossly negligent. Because the director of flight training, Anthony Krasinski, did not inspect the training for three consecutive years.
@davidpleveilleThat's just insane. They inspected the other flight schools, but not the mountain flying school. and so they didn't realize that this instructor was violating FAA protocol for how instructors are supposed to be training they didn't realize that you know an unauthorized aircraft was being used they didn't realize that there wasn't curriculum laid out for how the course was supposed to go and specific objectives and specific you know training goals and criteria like none of that
@davidpleveilleSo it was really just like insane how this whole thing was structured.
@ayoungstoicAnd just to cut in there real quick, and them not knowing is actually a violation of multiple federal laws because they're required to, you know, they have specific ways that they have to do things. And with this particular training, they chose not to. for some reason.
@davidpleveilleYeah. And that's not a discretionary function.
@davidpleveilleFederal employees do get discretion to do their jobs. And so they can be given leeway in court if they make mistakes. They have discretion on certain things. But when it comes to the law, there's no discretion. You don't get a discretionary exemption to violate the law. That's a crime. And so the FBI was absolutely, they were violating OSHA law, they were violating CFR, I forget the exact number, and they were violating an executive order.
@davidpleveilleThere was a number of different federal laws that the FBI was in violation of by not inspecting this training, by not Laying out a specific course material with specific objectives and training criteria. They did not go and ask multiple different companies. They did not do competing bids for this training program. They got some referrals for Colorado Skyways, and then they were like, okay, we'll use Colorado Skyways without...
@davidpleveilledoing any competing bids. That's against the law. Federal law requires them to do competing bids. They didn't do it. And this is all stuff which our attorney, who's supposed to be looking out for our best interest, he ignored all of this. The FBI, of course, ignored all of this. The NTSB ignored it. And so what we've been able to determine, Jonathan and I,
@davidpleveilleFor years, we have said, if dad had been in the Cessna 182, he almost certainly would have lived. Because if you go to the website, paullevier.com, and scroll down on the first page, the story page, I have down, let's see, a little past the middle of the page.
@davidpleveilleThere's a section, it's titled The Aircraft and the Canyon. And in that section, there's a topographical map. And then there's below that, I've got like an actual clickable embed, where there's a topographical display, you can actually zoom in on the canyon. And then below that, there's a photograph that we got from the FBI with different
@davidpleveillePoints, annotated on the photograph. And in that photograph, you can see the crash site is marked at 11,800 feet. And from the photograph from the US Geological Survey at the top there in black and white, you see the trajectory that the plane took. How they were making the turn and then where the crash site is at. And you can see they were almost out of the canyon.
@davidpleveilleI mean, like they had they had completed almost all of the turn. I mean, I would say they're 90% of the way there, like maybe 95%. I mean, like when you look at the topographical map, you can see there's like this one tiny little hump, like they were almost past the last high point that they would have had to clear. And then they were home free at that point.
@davidpleveilleSo they were so close to getting out of this canyon. And that was with an aircraft that was underpowered and just not capable. Like the service ceiling for the aircraft that they were in was 12,000 feet. And the FBI says that they entered the canyon around 11,800 feet. But I don't believe that because it doesn't make sense.
@davidpleveilleIf you look at the photograph below, you can see peak sea. which is where they entered. It's listed as being 11,840 feet. And then the trees probably would have added another 40 feet on top of that. So you're talking about, I'll just round up and say 11,900 feet to clear the treetops as they're coming into that canyon, going over that first high point there.
@davidpleveilleThey would have had to be at least 11,900 feet. But you're skimming the treetops.
@davidpleveilleTo have any decent clearance over the treetops, you would have had to exceed that 12,000-foot service ceiling. And when you exceed your service ceiling, the performance of the aircraft degrades exponentially. You don't go above your service ceiling. Now, the FAA says their recommendation for how far an aircraft should fly above the surface at all times
@davidpleveilleexcept when you're landing or taking off, would be a minimum of 500 feet above the surface in most conditions. Maybe in a scenario like this, you would go a bit lower than that, but you would still want a healthy distance between you and the ground to account for, they know that there's downdrafts in these canyons and you can lose hundreds of feet of altitude in a matter of seconds.
@davidpleveilleYou would probably want a larger, not a smaller, but a larger margin for error than you normally would have. So you'd probably want more than the 500 feet. But I doubt that they had that because this instructor was known for cutting it too close to the ground. So the service ceiling of the Piper Archer is 12,000 feet. The service ceiling of the aircraft that my dad should have been flying in, the Cessna 182, is 20,000 feet.
@davidpleveilleHuge difference here. Huge difference. And the Cessna 182 is turbocharged and has retractable landing gear, which makes a dramatic difference in the rate of climb. It had like, I think it was like 350 feet of climb per minute faster than the Piper Archer. I mean, this plane could run circles around the Piper Archer. Massive performance differences.
@davidpleveilleAnd that all really matters. Because as you can see from these photographs, the margin for error here, it was so close. If they had had just slightly better performance in that aircraft, they would have lived. They would have escaped, and they would have lived. And so Jonathan and I ran what's called Monte Carlo simulations, thousands of them, plugging in the different specs for the three different aircraft.
@davidpleveilleand what we know about the weather conditions and all the numbers that we have available. We plugged all that in and ran thousands of these Monte Carlo simulations to get statistical probabilities of the survival rate for each of the three aircraft. And the numbers were just like staggering. It's mind blowing. Let's see, I don't have them in front of me, but...
@davidpleveilleI know with the Piper Archer, it was like 67% chance of survival. So, I mean, you're talking slightly better than a coin toss is the chance that they're going to come out dead or alive in that Piper Archer. That is absolutely batshit crazy. Like, you don't do that in aviation. That's a great way to wind up dead. You should not have probabilities like that.
@davidpleveilleAnywhere close to that. That's just absolutely insane.
@davidpleveilleWith the Cessna 172, it climbed over 70%, which is better, but still, you have a lot of margin for something to go wrong there still. And then when you get to the Cessna 182, it was over 95% success rate.
@davidpleveilleSo, like, my view is that everybody should have been in the Cessna 182, and nobody should have been flying any aircraft other than the Cessna 182, because in my view, that's the only aircraft that was safe to be flying, period, unless the training were conducted differently. And the FBI had... Their investigative report, and we had some of that.
@davidpleveilleWe've had some of that for years. Just a few weeks ago, we got more of it. But what we did not have all these years until just a couple weeks ago was there's a memorandum of an aircraft accident review board of very high level people in the FBI who came together and analyzed the FBI's findings. And what they found in this meeting was that this training had been going on for nine or 10 years for the mountain flying program.
@davidpleveilleAnd in years prior, it had not been conducted in box canyons because that's crazy. And that's a great way to wind up dead. So what they did instead, was they would go out into wide open airspace and they would use points on the ground to simulate a box canyon and say look these that point there that barn you know that road those are going to be the walls of the canyon now here navigate and you do this in wide open airspace where you're not going to hit anything your odds of survival are exponentially better when you do it in wide open airspace and that's how they had done it in years prior and then inexplicably
@davidpleveilleThis year, where my dad is in the training, they're going and doing the training inside box canyons, which is just absolutely insane. And yet the FBI doesn't look at that and go, oh, well, there's the problem right there. Like, we should never have allowed this training to occur in box canyons in the first place. So we're at fault.
@davidpleveilleNo, no, they're like, okay, yeah, we're not putting that in our investigative report. So that never made the FBI's That's a huge smoking gun right there. And it never even makes it into the FBI's official report. I mean, that is absolutely insane. You know, when you allow the chicken, when you allow the fox to investigate who broke into the chicken coop and killed the chickens, is the fox ever going to find the fox guilty?
@davidpleveilleNo. That's never going to happen. And that's what you've got here. When the FBI is allowed to come in and investigate themselves, are they ever going to find themselves guilty? No, they're just going to bury evidence like they did here. So they took that damning evidence and made sure that it never made it into the investigative report.
@davidpleveilleI would lay that down as the primary cause of why the crash occurred, because They were entering box canyons and you don't enter box canyons. The whole point of the maneuver is if you are in the mountains and you accidentally take a wrong turn and find yourself in a box canyon, this is the maneuver that you take as a last ditch effort to save your life.
@davidpleveilleWhy on earth would you go and put yourself into that position when you don't have to? That's insane.
@davidpleveilleSo I would put that down as the primary cause of the crash. And yet the FBI just completely discards it.
@davidpleveilleLet me think.
@davidpleveilleSo I guess.
Speaker 5Sorry, go ahead.
@davidpleveilleOh, well, I was going to say the FBI also said that the box canyon that was chosen was too narrow. and yet you can see on that map, that topographical map, if you zoom out a little bit and look at that mountain range right there, you can see all the box canyons on there. Show me the box canyon on that mountain range that is wider than the canyon that my dad and his instructor entered.
@davidpleveilleI don't see anything that fits the criteria of a box canyon that is wider than that one, going out for miles on this map. I mean, you can go out for miles and miles and look. I don't see a bigger box canyon. So I would like to know what the FBI is talking about when they say that this canyon was too narrow. I think that the instructor, you know, yeah, it shouldn't have been happening in box canyons at all.
@davidpleveilleBut since it was happening in box canyons, he chose the best box canyon that I can see on the map. I don't see another box canyon that's a better option when I look at the map. So I think the FBI is kind of talking out of their ass here when they say, well, he chose a box canyon that was too narrow. But you ignore the fact that they shouldn't have been in a box canyon in the first place.
@davidpleveilleIf the biggest box canyon on the mountain range is too narrow, well, then the actual problem is not the box canyon. The actual problem is that they were in box canyons, period. Full stop. Because there's not a better box canyon. So if that's the best box canyon and there are no better ones, then you just shouldn't have been doing the maneuver in box canyons in the first place.
@davidpleveilleThat's the issue right there. So I think it's disingenuous and just completely dishonest for the FBI to say, oh, this box canyon is too narrow. No, no, it wasn't. It's a very wide box canyon. It's just an inherently dangerous maneuver. And none of the safety precautions that, well, I can't say none. I mean, I'm sure they took some safety precautions, but there were,
@davidpleveilleHuge safety precautions that were not taken. And the instructor, how he instructed, he was known to require the student to do the maneuver first. So this is a really big deal, too, because that means that my dad was probably at the controls on the first attempt of this maneuver in an aircraft that he's unfamiliar with that is underpowered.
@davidpleveilleAnd he's... being told to perform the maneuver on the first attempt himself. But the FAA, their rules for instructor pilots is the instructor pilot must demonstrate the maneuver first. Then they must ensure that the student understands the maneuver. And only then do they then have the student perform the maneuver. But this instructor pilot had been reported previously by a previous student.
@davidpleveilleas not doing that. And it was like a known thing. The FBI acknowledges in their investigative report that it was known that the teaching methods of this instructor pilot were contrary to what the FAA requires. And yet the FBI did not, they have right of control to intervene. and say, hey, this instructor has to be removed from the training.
@davidpleveilleAnd they'd done it previously for another instructor. We don't know the details yet because the FBI won't give us the information on that. But we do know that there was another instructor who was removed from the program. We don't know the specifics on why. So the FBI had already done this. And it's inexplicable why they didn't do this with my dad's instructor pilot, because.
@davidpleveilleIt was a known thing that his teaching methods were not compliant with FAA regulations. Let's see, I think I've covered most of the stuff. Jon, is there anything you want to... Yeah, go ahead.
@ayoungstoicWell, I'd just say, so I think we've covered the basics of what happened, that situation, how the FBI acted. So I'd say skipping forward, when like what all we've done once we found out about this uh because you know a few years ago mom found the files David started digging and then uh he was like hey there's weird stuff going on here in the in this in this paperwork and so we both started digging um crazy stuff was coming up and so we reached out to um to our congressman
@ayoungstoicTo our senators, to press, we started contacting like a whole bunch of people. And just, you know, because, well, at first we filed the FOIA requests and the FBI was just, and all the other agencies too, were just stonewalling us like crazy. They did not want to release these files, which is odd because they were an accident from 1999.
@ayoungstoicWhat does it matter? Releasing the Files. They'd already been released to other people back in 2000.
@davidpleveilleOh, yeah. Let me pipe in real quick, Jon, and then I'll shut up. One of the things that happened when we contacted our senator was he reached out to the FBI and multiple of these federal agencies, and a whole bunch of them came back and said that they'd never received my FOIA requests in the first place. And it wasn't until I sent receipts to my US senator
@davidpleveilleAll of a sudden, they started going, oh, we suddenly found his FOIA request that for eight months we couldn't find. And now all of a sudden, in 16 hours, we've now found that missing FOIA request. I just wanted to add that, you know, that little coincidence there.
@ayoungstoicYeah, I mean, they know nobody gets to apply the rules to them. And so unless you can force the rules to be applied to them. The rules don't exist.
@ayoungstoicIt's incredibly corrupt. And so we reached out in every way that we possibly could. The congressmen, the senators, I think at most what we got was just an obligatory email. And turns out an email with the receipts happened to be enough to at least have them locate those.
@ayoungstoicBut after that, every single representative without fail just dropped it like a rock. They were like, sorry, that's the most we could possibly do for you is send an email. And so we went through multiple iterations. A new person gets elected. We reach out to that person. We're reaching out to the people running for the seat, all that craziness.
@ayoungstoicAnd nobody wanted to help. The press were very uninterested with the story everywhere, which we found kind of odd because it's not like there's a ton of families of fallen FBI agents out there discussing this type of thing.
@ayoungstoicAnd so we kept pushing on social media. We started getting in Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi's comment sections. And it got to the point where we were reliably being the first to fifth comment under the director of the FBI's posts in a lot of cases. And it got really annoying for them. And so I think we finally...
@ayoungstoicYeah, I think we did strike a chord there once or twice. Got some sort of response from the FBI where they're like, well, we'll give you documents in like eight years, but you're going to have to pay for them. And so we kept reaching out. We reached out to Sherry Biggs, our representative, and she promised mom a sit-down meeting.
@ayoungstoicHer secretary said, you've been moved to the top of her list. Because she is a veteran and her big thing is veterans, veterans, veterans. And so we were like, great. Mom's at the top of her list. Fantastic. And then a month goes by. Two months go by. And we're like, what's going on here? Eight months go by, I believe it was.
@ayoungstoicNo, it was nine months. Nine months. Okay. So nine months go by and other people have, she's had meetings with people that requested long after mom did. And it's like, okay, hold on. I thought she was at the top of your list. So we kept calling and trying to contact them. And one time the secretary was like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll make something happen.
@ayoungstoicNothing came of it. We got in her comments and we started doing the same thing. And it was to the point where Sherry Biggs could not make a post on X or on Facebook without me or David being in the comments. And it was driving her staff nuts. They would make a post, we'd be the first comment. So they'd wait an hour, make another post, or a few posts to try and drown it, bury it.
@ayoungstoicand we'd be the first comment under all those posts and so finally I saw that she had on Memorial Day or I think it might have been Veterans Day something like that it might have been Memorial Day Sherry Biggs went to visit a church and she announced we're at this lovely event at such and such a church and I was like oh are you so I called the church
@ayoungstoicand I left a message and the pastor of that church apparently heard the message later on and called up Sherry's office and was like hey there's this veteran widow that she's been trying to get in touch with your office and that was the that was the thing that finally got Sherry's attention she's like oh no you know pastor I can't uh I can't dodge this one
@ayoungstoicso she finally called us back and was like oh yeah we'll set something up um and she did and we went to meet with her and explained everything that was going on you know the case and all that and we said look we've had a lot of representatives promise us stuff and then drop us like a rock we want to make sure that you're not just going to send an email we have a private bill that we're
@ayoungstoicthat we want to get proposed in Congress. You're a member of Congress. You can propose that. That would allow mom to get his retirement and different things. Private bills are not super common, but they are a thing. It's a remedy for when the system has
@ayoungstoicI just wanted to interject real quick on that.
@davidpleveilleThey used to be really common in the 1800s until we started creating all these laws like the Federal Tort Claims Act and all that kind of stuff. And I think we need to get back to using them. But go ahead, Jon. I just wanted to interject.
@ayoungstoicYeah. so we you know we told her like that's a big priority for us because you know with statutes of limitations and things we could be fighting a legal battle for you know a decade just to just to get mom taken care of with a retirement and none of us kids received anything as a settlement from all this and um for the loss of our father and you know which is wild um and so we we wanted her to um
@ayoungstoicWe proposed that and we wanted her to sign our letters to President Trump and to Kash Patel, I think, Pam Bondi. And so she said, okay, well, let's hold off on that. We don't want to mess up what we're working on with President Trump. And then a week later, or... Less than a week later, I think it was four days actually, she was sitting down with Pam Bondi at a dinner and...
@davidpleveilleIt was the National Prayer Breakfast.
@ayoungstoicYes, yeah, the National Prayer Breakfast. So we were like, fantastic. We don't hear back from her for like two months. So we start hitting up Sherry Biggs' comments again on social media. And... She gets nice and frustrated again, and then finally her office calls back and says, oh, we sent an email to the FBI. You should hear something soon.
@ayoungstoicAnd the FBI sent us the typical form letter saying, hey, we can't help. It's going to be a long, long time. Maybe you'll get the documents in six years, seven years.
@ayoungstoicAnd so we call her office back and and just another black hole. It's like the issue is done. We've done what we can. We sent an email. And it's like, you sat down with Pam Bondi. That was, I mean, it's crazy. So representatives have been absolutely useless. So we decided, all right, we don't have the sway to move Congress.
@ayoungstoicto get someone rooting for us in Congress. Okay, let's start a little more local. So we, David found that the state legislators in South Carolina hold these, some of them hold these delegations in different cities around the state. And two of them were near us in Greenville and Spartanburg. And so these are state legislators.
@ayoungstoicThey can pass state laws. So David, my mom and I, we went to one of these meetings and the idea was we created, we wrote a state bill that would protect children from the situation that we were put in where we didn't have possession of our case files when we turned 18. We wrote a law that would protect children and ensure that their case files are preserved and that they receive them at 18 and receive instruction on like, hey, there's statutes of limitations.
@ayoungstoicIf you want to pursue this, you've got to look into it now. So we wanted that bill proposed in the state legislature and we were going to call it the LeVeille law. And hopefully, you know, we're thinking maybe we'll get some level of
@ayoungstoicMomentum, proposing something like that. And then also we wanted them to sign our letters to the president, to Pam Bondi, to Kash Patel, all these people, to Congress. We wanted the state legislators to sign on because it would mean something. And they didn't want us to speak. They said, all right. You can share one three-minute slot between three members of your family, which is a restriction on First Amendment free speech.
@ayoungstoicBut David and mom shared that three-minute slot. They each took half and explained what we were trying to do. And they said, OK, well, you don't need to hand us those letters that you've got in your hands right there. or the you know the private law just email them to us and we'll we'll get it taken care of so we did email them um that night or the next day something like that and dead silence nobody responds nothing and we were like okay this is you know crazy we finally got like three of them because we know some of them personally and whatnot um we finally got three of them to sign on
@ayoungstoicAnd then that was it. The state legislators were done with us. So we kept going back to these meetings and requesting to speak. And then they started just denying any requests that we had to speak at their meetings. Complete violation of the First Amendment. Every American has the right to speak at these meetings. It doesn't matter if you're from a different state.
@ayoungstoicHonestly, I think people from the countries can come and speak these meetings. The public comment period is open to the public, no matter what your citizenship. So we kept submitting for these meetings and they kept denying us illegally. And we were like, okay, let's start recording this because these are crimes. And if we can't, if they won't take our
@ayoungstoicRedress of Grievances the way that we wanted to take it, then maybe we can sue them for their bad behavior. And they just denied every single topic we submitted without fail, both delegations. My sister submitted the Bible verse of the widow and the unjust judge. They denied her. And then my mom carried... you know carried the torch on that one and submitted it to the next two meetings and they denied her and I think one of them said it was like unfit for a legislative delegation meeting uh and we were just like oh my gosh wow like this is these violations are just crazy like they they think they can walk all over you so we showed up to a meeting in Spartanburg on May 4th and David was like all right
@ayoungstoicLet's just speak because we're American citizens. We have the right to speak. So even if they didn't put us on that list, let's just speak because we're allowed to. The Supreme Court, we had all the precedent, everything. And so he stood up and began speaking. They had the cops drag him out of the room. I stood up and began speaking.
@ayoungstoicAnd then they came and dragged me out of the room into the public lobby. and um you know an attorney from the solicitor's office was helping them prevent us from getting back into the meeting um and you know we did it at the meeting portion of the at the speaking portion of the meeting you know where the public speaks so we you know we chose the right moment and all that but um but yeah they drug us out and so David was like all right um
@ayoungstoicMaybe we can do something a little more, you know, with a little more viral potential. And so he drafted a green eggs and ham themed speech wearing a cat in a hat hat and white gloves and a red shirt that says, I know things.
@ayoungstoicAnd and so he went to give that speech on August 3rd. And I went to film, my sister and my mom were also filming. And David waited till the very end of the meeting. After everyone had spoken, the chairman actually gave a little speech about the disruptions they'd had. You know, the disruption at the prior meeting. and saying that these delegations are not for the public to address their legislators.
@ayoungstoicAnd so they were removing the public speaking portion from their delegation meetings in future. And they don't have to have a public speaking portion at delegation meetings. But once they add a public speaking portion, they cannot censor it. The Supreme Court has ruled on this and they cannot remove it in retaliation for someone's speech.
@ayoungstoicAnd so it was blatant violation of the law. But after the chairman said that, he said, you know, the very next thing was that they were going to adjourn. And so before they were able to adjourn, David stood and began speaking. And he started with the court precedent that said, hey, when you're illegally denied, you have a right to stand and speak anyway.
@ayoungstoicIt was a Supreme Court decision. And as he's saying that, they send the officers up. They just flood into the room. There were 10 or 12 of them. And they surround David. They tell him he has to leave. And he cussed at one of them. And so then they arrested him for profanity, for disorderly conduct and start removing him from the room.
@ayoungstoicMeanwhile, I'm filming and a deputy who's part of the sheriff's office, they're like special ops, he came and told me I had to leave. And so I kept asking him, Are you threatening to arrest me if I do not leave? And eventually, he said yes. And I said, OK, under threat of arrest, I'll leave. And the whole time, he's putting his hands on me, snaking his arm around my waist, just really getting handsy.
@ayoungstoicAnd so I told him, hey, this is assault. Please remove your hands from me, whatever. But eventually, he answered me. And so I agreed to leave. As I'm walking out, he's still feeling me up, putting his hands on me.
@ayoungstoicAnd so I leave the meeting chambers. And now I'm in the public lobby. And in the public lobby, I'm still filming on my phone. And I start asking the officers what their names are. They don't have badge numbers. We established that. at the previous meeting. So I was asking what their names are. A couple of them answered me.
@ayoungstoicAnd then all of a sudden, he's got two hands on my arm at this point. He says, all right, I already warned you. And he twists my arm behind my back and handcuffs me. And the whole time they're dragging me out of the building, I'm asking. I managed to pass my phone off to my mom, I think. They kept filming, but the whole time they were taking me out, I was like, what is your reasonable, articulable suspicion that I've committed a crime?
@ayoungstoicWhat am I being arrested for? They refused to answer until they took me to the detention center. Then as she was coming around to get me out, I said, is your body cam on? She said, yes. When she opened the door, I said, what was I arrested for? And she said, trespassing. You can't be trespassed from public. I was in a public lobby.
@ayoungstoicEven the meeting chambers, I think they wouldn't have been able to trespass me from those chambers, at least not for a length of time. But I wasn't in the chambers. I was in the lobby. And so I was like, okay, this is... So they took us both. They put us in isolation cells at the detention center. And we were refused lawyers, refused water.
@ayoungstoicThey kept trying to question us. And my cell didn't have a functioning toilet. It didn't have a functioning sink. There was absolutely no plumbing, no water of any sort. I was dehydrated before the meeting so after a few hours in these cells which are just like it's like a spotlight you're just a small area that you can stand in dirty and these hot bright bright bright lights so I was getting really dehydrated so after a few hours I was like okay look I need water and the
@ayoungstoicThe lady next to me started yelling for water. So I started yelling for water and I started saying, why are we being denied water? And I started yelling it loud enough so that any cameras in the facility would pick it up. And a few officers walked by and they laughed. And finally, one of them, I think maybe 30 minutes to an hour after we were yelling,
@ayoungstoicfinally came over and said, you know, what, you don't have water in there? And I was like, no, there's no plumbing whatsoever. I do not have any water, any way, shape, or form. And he's like, well, if you come and answer the questions and all that, then you'll be given water. And I was like, okay, all right. Well, then out of concern for my health, I'll answer your questions.
@ayoungstoicYou know, so, you know, they were like, oh, we need you to answer this, that, and the other so we can book Whatever. So I answered the questions. I was like, yep, this is my name. This is my date of birth, all that. And then they put me out in the pit area with all the other people. But when they brought in people for DUI or for something like that, they got to sit out in the pit.
@ayoungstoicThey didn't go into the isolation cells. That was just for us two.
@ayoungstoicand so I sat out there for quite a length of time I think I think I was there for like 13 hours or something like that overnight and and then they you know did a bond hearing and I had to pay bonds to get out all that but when I when I was booked they gave me a warrant with my charge on it and they had changed the charge from trespassing to assault and battery third degree and there was an affidavit saying that oh yeah we saw this guy swing at a deputy and you know that it's like whoa wait what so thankfully we had multiple cameras at you know multiple angles so we can prove
@ayoungstoicobjectively, that there was no assault, no battering, no swinging of my arms towards an officer. And I think we've identified the exact moment that they're going to claim was assault and battery. And it was the moment that he, controlling my wrist and controlling my upper arm, he raised my arm up into the air and I stepped back because, you know, he's laying hands on me.
@ayoungstoicand I think he's probably going to try and claim that that was assault and battery, that, oh, I was swinging at him, but he swung my arm. There was no swinging on my part. He lifted it up into the air, away from him.
@davidpleveilleHe was laughing while he was doing it, too.
@ayoungstoicYou can see that on camera, too. So it's quite the mess, but we've got a lawyer, we've got video footage and all that, and it's just insane like the amount of the how willing they are to violate your rights over and over and over um we were just completely floored i had no clue that you know we did we didn't even talk with our mom about what to do in case we got arrested because we were so certain we were not going to get arrested at this meeting because we weren't doing anything that was arrest worthy
@ayoungstoicJust absolutely insane. So it's been a crazy month. That was right after we set up this event with Ian. We were going to that meeting and we were like, okay, we'll get a nice cat in the hat video and maybe we'll have something for the event. But it's been a month. So it's been a crazy month. So that's kind of where we've ended up.
@ayoungstoicIt's a wild, wild ride.
Speaker 6No, indeed.
Ian MalcolmGo for it, David. You go ahead, Ian. No, I was just going to say, there's a bunch of different things that I would have questions about and regarding. It feels like I'm curious, first and foremost, just the most recent part of this story, the idea of trying to claim prospectively assault. Your thought is that this is either retaliation or some kind of attempt to get you guys to basically silence some of the inquiry into this subject matter and to basically stop making noise because it's obviously going to become more problematic if you're able to, is that right?
@ayoungstoicYeah. Yeah, they... I mean, at the meeting before, we could tell, like, these guys, they really wanted to do something, but they, you know, they weren't quite sure if... if they would void their immunity if they did. And then this last meeting where they arrested us, they were pretty sure that they preplanned it with the delegation that like, hey, if these guys do anything, we're going to arrest them.
@davidpleveilleAnd, you know, they definitely they definitely preplanned it. And to to show you like just how corrupt South Carolina is, like Spartanburg County is known for being like super corrupt. But within a state that's super corrupt, like South Carolina, the good old boy politics in South Carolina are terrible. I heard from somebody here who's plugged into local politics who said he heard from an attorney in Columbia, the capital, that it is not uncommon for a state legislator to call up a judge and tell the judge how they want the case to turn out.
@davidpleveilleAnd I believe this because. I'll give you a personal example from my own case. This is like absolutely crazy. The same guy from the solicitor's office, there was an attorney from the solicitor's office present when we got hauled out on May 4th and they refused to allow us to enter the chamber again. He, this attorney from the solicitor's office was blocking our path.
Speaker 3Did he cut out or he landed?
@ayoungstoicYeah, you cut out there, David. The last thing we heard was he was blocking your path and then your audio cut.
Speaker 3Maybe I need to recycle him.
Ian MalcolmOkay, yeah. I've had to close or force quit the app a couple times here. It's been just incredibly glitchy, so apologies about that, guys.
@ayoungstoicNo worries. I guess in the meantime, I'll just... I can... It is his personal story. So that man, Rick Gregory, from the solicitor's office, he blocked our path at the May 4th meeting, preventing us from re-entering the room. He used to be a police officer. And so he was acting like a police officer at that event. But he was not.
@ayoungstoicHe was an attorney with the solicitor's office, you know, acting under color of law. And when we FOIA requested documents from the solicitor's office and the other, you know, the sheriff's office and the delegation and all that, the solicitor's office said Rick Gregory formally with the solicitor's office. We were like, formerly with?
@ayoungstoicWas he fired? What's going on here?
@ayoungstoicAnd so for a while, we weren't certain exactly what that formerly with meant. Well, come to find out, that formerly with meant that he was no longer with the solicitor's office because he had been made a judge.
@ayoungstoicyou know local magistrate and the the very like senators on that delegation that that we had been trying to speak at were probably you know they were probably the ones who because as senators in the state legislature have to like There's some part of the process that they approve the judges or something like that. David would know a little better.
@davidpleveilleCome back now. They have to refer the person to the governor, and then the governor makes that person a judge. And so it's very likely that the senators involved in silencing us then turned around and Out of retaliation, we're like, hey, let's make this guy from the solicitor's office a judge because we know this family is coming back and then we can put him on the case.
@davidpleveilleAnd that's exactly what happened when I got put in prison. And then like as I was at my bond hearing, the judge was none other than Rick Gregory. And that is like such a huge. Breach of Ethics. He should get removed as a judge. I'm sure he won't because South Carolina is very corrupt, but he should get removed from being a judge for that because he's supposed to recuse himself or at the very least identify himself.
@davidpleveilleHe didn't identify himself to me and I didn't immediately recognize him. I don't think he had his glasses on. The previous meeting he had his glasses on and I'd only seen him one time before. I didn't recognize him until afterwards when I saw his name on the paper. I was like, wait a second, Rick Gregory? Is that the same guy?
@davidpleveilleHe was supposed to disclose his identity, and he didn't. He should have recused himself, but he didn't do that either. It's just crazy, the levels of corruption. It's obvious that they're orchestrating all of this to shut us up. Question is, like, how far does the orchestration go? Because is it just that these state lawmakers just don't like us?
@davidpleveilleOr is it that they're getting the word from higher up and being told, do not give this family any airtime? Because we've gone to the press all over. and they won't cover us like um just a week ago you know my mom and i were at one of um well i went to two county council meetings after all this i went to i went back to spartanburg and did another cat in the hat speech at spartanburg on august 17th which i actually have that up on my profile if anybody wants to see it so it's on youtube but i posted it on my x profile it's three minutes long uh it's a green eggs and fascist ham is the name of it
@davidpleveilletalking about Spartanburg Police Department. So I went back and did that speech on August 17th. And then on August 18th, I was in Greenville at the Greenville County Council. And it's the same media people who were there at Spartanburg who were there in Greenville. And as soon as they saw that we were speaking, they took their camera down and brought it out of the room.
@davidpleveilleThey always film these meetings, always. They took their camera out of the room and didn't film any of the meeting, specifically because we're there. And then afterwards, you know, I spoke at that meeting, too. And then afterwards, my mom and I went outside and we confronted them because they had their camera set up outside and they interviewed one woman.
@davidpleveilleAnd we said, hey, would you like to interview us? We know that you guys know who we are and they do because we've been contacting them for years. We've spoken to reporters face to face like this multiple times. And they always they always pretend like they don't know who we are. and then they're like oh you know sometimes they'll be like here's a card you know call me and I'll get back to you and they never do ever ever I've never had a single reporter ever follow up with me ever they'll cover a giraffe death at the Greenville Zoo but they won't talk about the wrongful death of an FBI agent and the family out here you know saying that the FBI was at fault they won't talk about that that's not newsworthy but a giraffe dying that's newsworthy you know like it would be funny if it weren't just so evil
@davidpleveillebut it was the exact same cameraman and the exact same reporter who had been at the meeting the day prior they knew exactly who I was and they refused to cover the story said call our editor so I called the editor of course he wasn't in the office and I called back the next day oh he's at lunch I left the message you know no call back like
@davidpleveilleThat's just how it is. The press will not cover this story, period. None of them. And so I wonder, I do believe that Project Mockingbird is still a thing. The CIA can say, oh, we shut that down a long time ago. I don't believe that. I think Project Mockingbird is still going on and they're still telling the media what to report and what not to report.
@davidpleveilleAnd I think that we have been blacklisted at all levels. It doesn't matter when we contact the press at the national level or if we contact our local newspaper. It doesn't matter. They will never, ever contact us back. We've never had any of them contact us back. I think we're on a blacklist, and we have not been cleared for coverage.
@davidpleveilleThis story is not cleared to air. And so I wonder, with the state lawmakers, are they also getting the word? Everybody's being blackmailed. Everybody's being blackmailed. Congress is all being blackmailed. The FBI and the CIA get to tell them what to do because they have blackmail on everybody. And same thing with the president.
@davidpleveilleThat's why Epstein was doing what he was doing. This kind of stuff, that was not an outlier. That's business as usual for these intelligence agencies. It's how they pulled strings. Blackmail is just their currency. That's how they do business. And so... I think that it's not really a stretch to think that people in the South Carolina state legislature are all being blackmailed by these intelligence agencies, specifically the FBI, and being told, look, you know, we know, like, here's what we've got on you, and we're going to publicize this if you don't shut this family down.
@davidpleveilleAnd I really wonder if that's what's going on here, because it's kind of insane how hard were being shut out like it is just it is a full shutdown like we we can't get anything we can't get an inch and so like i really think that the intelligence agencies are telling everybody at all level of government and all level of media this is how it's going to be and this family will not get any coverage it's a full blackout
@joann_marieIt has been like that since the beginning with J. Edgar Hoover. He used to do stuff like that and spy on its own citizens and do the craziest things. He would go against some people, but he would protect the little Jewish mafia. It's insane. But I'm so sorry that that has happened to you guys. Do you think that it was because of the toy box killer, right?
@joann_marieThat he was like... Uncovering something and that's why? Or why specifically do you guys think that that happened?
@ayoungstoicSo an interesting connection that actually my mom made is she, there's a book, Cries in the Desert, about David Parker Ray. And she was going through that and she found some sort of connection. She was suspicious that David Parker Ray, was an aircraft mechanic who...
@joann_marieI'm not familiar with a toy box dealer at all. I have no idea. I don't know. Are you? I don't know. I don't know.
@ayoungstoicYeah, so basically, David Parker Ray, he had a huge property a couple hours away from Epstein's Zorro Ranch. And what my mom suspected was there's this aircraft mechanic Next to Epstein's Zorro Ranch, which has its own airstrip. And, you know, if Epstein ever needed a mechanic to service his planes, who would he pick? And she's like, well, there's the psychopath just a couple hours from him who was kidnapping tons of women and torturing them.
@ayoungstoicIs it a coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. So she brought something up.
@davidpleveilleWe found a connection to Epstein through, he wasn't just, so David Parker Ray, his day job, he wasn't just an aviation mechanic. He was very, very good at it. And to the point where he was an instructor at a specific university, and I can't remember the name of the university off the top of my head, but he was an instructor at this university for aviation mechanics.
@davidpleveilleAnd
@davidpleveilleJohn, was it the son of the owner? It was somebody at a high level.
@ayoungstoicThe son of the founder. He was the president of the university at the time that David Parker Ray was there. He was one of Epstein's friends. The president of the university that this serial killer worked at.
@davidpleveilleHe was in Epstein's files, right?
@ayoungstoicI believe so, yeah. and so we were like well there's a connection and mom had suspected that for a while that this guy had some sort of tie to Epstein but that was the first like hint of it that we were like okay yeah this this you know this looks like there's a connection and so then with there being multiple agents that died
@ayoungstoicwho were working on that case shortly afterward. The sketch artist, Patty Rust, I think David probably mentioned her. She was experienced. She was an army captain, all of that.
@ayoungstoicShe did the sketch artist work for the David Parker Ray case. And then when she submitted her work, The story that was reported is that she submitted her work and then promptly committed suicide with her service weapon. And we were told a different version of that from someone that knew dad and worked out of that office.
@ayoungstoicBut we don't know exactly what was true with that, but it's odd. that she would work a case like that and then just commit suicide, especially knowing all the Epstein suicides.
@ayoungstoicAnd then a few months later, our dad dies under suspicious circumstances and it starts to look like a pattern.
@davidpleveilleAnd it also looks like he knew or suspected that he was going to die too. So there's a very suspicious pattern. It doesn't necessarily prove anything, but there's some very interesting coincidences and threads that need to be pulled on here. And we've been trying to pull on those threads for a while, and we're getting shut out hard.
@davidpleveilleAnd what's the thing that the feds love to say to us? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Well, back at you, FBI. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear. So why are we not getting our FOIA requests? Why will the press not cover us? And why will none of the politicians do anything but shut us down?
@davidpleveilleIf you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
@joann_marieAnd have you guys fed AI all of this information? Maybe it can look for other coincidences or stuff like that, because I bet there is thousands of papers that maybe it's really hard to look into.
@ayoungstoicYes, we've used... AI a good bit for research. As far as finding connections between the coincidences, we haven't found anything that way yet. I did try using Ian Carroll's web for that purpose, but nothing popped out. And a lot of this is disappearing. as well. Patty Rust, there were only a couple mentions of her on the internet whatsoever.
@ayoungstoicThe Reddit posts, it's hard to find them now. There was some Reddit comments about her, and then there's an article about her. I saved the article in the Wayback Machine, but the Reddit posts, I don't know if it saves the same way.
@ayoungstoicBut one of our lawyers from the case, we were investigating her. And then all of a sudden, her website goes down, like permanently. I think she was retired, but her website had been sitting there for years untouched. And then the minute we look into it, It gets removed from the internet. And it's like, whoa, that's a coincidence.
@ayoungstoicAnd little things like that where it's like oddities, they've had a lot of time to plan hiding things. And it's problematic from our perspective because we don't have money to hire A team of, you know, investigators or, you know, we don't have lawyers digging through all this. So we had to do paralegal work ourselves.
@davidpleveilleYeah. Real quick, Jon, I want to butt in for one thing on also on the Epstein thing. This does not prove anything. I'm not presenting this as evidence. It's just an interesting pattern that I happened to notice. Are the attorneys that was referred to our mother by the FBI, whom she ultimately hired. His name was Philip J. Kolzinski.
@davidpleveilleKolzinski then hired local counsel in Colorado, whose name is Patricia Jarzowski. And the FBI's director of flight training, who was directly responsible for our dad's death and a good part of the cover-up, is named Anthony Kruzinski. So just an interesting little pattern there, you know, that I just happened to notice, find it very interesting.
@davidpleveilleAnd if there is any connection to Epstein, I would find that little pattern even more interesting. And I'll just say that and I'll leave it there.
Speaker 3Oh, this is amazing. Thank you so much, guys.
@joann_marieIan or V, Rabbi or Ray, do you guys have any questions?
Ian MalcolmWell, you know what? I would be very interested in doing. So we do have some wonderful people up here on the panel with us. I know Dr. Rechtenwald was up here just a moment ago. And I mentioned that just because with all the brain power, right? I wonder if anybody has had any thoughts. Anything that they might recommend that these two gentlemen look into as they try to piece together some of these unusual coincidences?
Ian MalcolmAnd we should really make sure that we validate that comment. If one of the people prospectively involved in this just happened to be in the Epstein files, just happened to work as a very well-regarded airplane mechanic, Just perhaps, maybe, was also working on some of the transportation involved with Zorro Ranch. We start to connect some dots.
Ian MalcolmThese are certainly questions worth asking. But I suppose, V, is there anything that you heard that really stood out to you? And if not, maybe we can go through some of the panels and see if anybody has any little notes that they might have taken or things that they might call out. Again, I don't know... I don't think we're going to be able to solve the ins and outs of this, but maybe we can, you know, play some intellectual popcorn and pop up some ideas that might prove helpful for these two men.
Speaker 1Well, first off, David and Jon, thanks for being here. There's several times during your story where my, you know, the goosebumps were kind of up on the back of my neck and it's kind of, yeah, I don't know, just... Just heartening to hear, you know, you grow up thinking our government has our best interests at heart and being peddled a lie and I don't get into all that, but I guess getting into the airplane, so is your thought that he pretty much was set up to fail?
Speaker 1And this, yeah, just to answer that quick question, I mean, did you see any sabotage in the airplane itself or is that pretty much the theory with the airplane?
@davidpleveilleThat's a great question. So there was one thread. So we haven't gotten most of the documents that we've requested, and the FBI has admitted to destroying probably over 1,000 pages at this point, an enormous amount of evidence. But there was one thing that did show up in one of the documents. and it doesn't necessarily look like it caused the crash but it was just an interesting little thing there was a paperclip that showed up in one of the sump pumps um i don't know yeah the oil sump pump i don't know why that would be there we did talk with a friend who a family friend who
@davidpleveilleis an aviation mechanic and he was like yeah that's very odd I don't know how a paperclip or why a paperclip would end up in the oil sump pump but he said in his professional opinion he didn't think that that was likely to cause you know any kind of serious malfunction or anything like that as far as like actual sabotage that's the only thing that has shown up in
@davidpleveilleThank you so much.
Speaker 1Yeah, there's just so many suspicious things here. It's hard to say that there wasn't some nefarious involvement. But yeah, just to be like devil's advocate, it seems like they'd have like a more definite way to plan on, you know. But there are so many anomalies and like, oh, all of a sudden we're doing it in the cannons and all the planes.
Speaker 1So... Yeah, I'm not trying to, I'm just, you know, just thinking. So again, thank you guys so much for being here and appreciate you guys.
@joann_marieIt's crazy that the toy box killer was like an airplane mechanic and then he died in a... in a plane crash, right? Like that's insane. But yeah, guys, again, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps so much with the algorithm and follow Ian and Bea and Rabbi and Jon and David and Mulberry and everybody here.
@joann_marieSo no, thank you so much for being here. This is crazy. All right. We have a couple of hands. No rulers. Welcome. Go for it.
@icarusdissidentThank you. I appreciate it. I have a couple of questions for the family members here. Someone earlier mentioned about using AI. I don't mean this the wrong way, but most people
@icarusdissidentare very unfamiliar with the actual capabilities and ways of using AI. And so I would be curious to hear about what you all have tried, because frankly, if you use something the wrong way or use the wrong one, it will seem juvenile or stupid. But it can actually, I mean, like, for instance, you know, in the last couple of weeks, AI has solved mathematical proofs and problems that have been outstanding for 80, 90 years that mathematicians haven't been able to do.
@icarusdissidentIt's all about how you use it. So I would be curious to hear what and how you write it.
@ayoungstoicYeah, absolutely. So David and I have both been experimenting with it for a bit.
@joann_marieV, do you have a hot mic? V? I'm so sorry, guys. V?
@ayoungstoicNo worries. Yeah, so David and I have been using a few of them for a while for different purposes. I know... I know what you're talking about. I won't say that we've used it in the perfect way possible to find the right information. But I've built a few apps with AI. David's built a few. We've done things that most people don't manage to do with AI.
@ayoungstoicWe've watched the models collapse or degrade over the last six to eight months. Something really went wrong with Claude.
@davidpleveilleYeah, we've used Claude quite a bit. I just want to interject. One specific thing that we have done with AI is earlier I mentioned that we had run some Monte Carlo scenarios. We used AI to help us set up those Monte Carlo scenarios. So that was like one pretty significant way in which AI helped us in a big way, actually, to create those Monte Carlo scenarios.
@davidpleveilleWe use Cloud Code for that.
@icarusdissidentOkay, so you're using the harness with Cloud Code and you're primarily using Cloud to do these scenarios is what you're saying?
@ayoungstoicThat's probably the most concrete use case that we've... Obviously, a ton of research, but we've used a ton of different AIs for that.
@ayoungstoicAs far as building things to scrape the web and stuff like that, we didn't go down that rabbit hole. A crazy lot.
@ayoungstoicBut, I mean, there's probably a lot of stuff that we haven't found that is out there publicly.
@ayoungstoicAfter you look at the threads for so long, they all start to blur together, and it's hard to tell.
@davidpleveillePart of the problem that we're running into is, like Jon mentioned, model collapse earlier.
@davidpleveilleWhen we first started using Claude, so we tried with ChatGPT a bit before and it really didn't work out well. And then we tried again with Claude and it went really well for a number of months. But I think, I don't want to sound like too conspiratorial and too tinfoil hat here, but I have heard... I have a lot to say on all this for you guys, but I have to step away for five minutes.
@davidpleveilleI'll be right back. Not only not getting better, it's
@davidpleveilleI think it's proactively gotten worse for us, and it's gotten so bad for us that it's to the point where I really think that Claude is acting maliciously toward us at this point. It's kind of gotten to the point where I feel like Claude is now actively sabotaging us when we try to collaborate with Claude on this.
@davidpleveilleIt's gotten very aggressive. It has gone in and deleted.
@joann_marieHave you tried the ones that are like jailbroken? I know a couple of people that have like jailbroken the AI. I don't know how to, I'm not tech savvy. I have no idea how, but.
@ayoungstoicI'm just about there. Like I've been looking at like Kimmy K3 and, you know, some of these open source models and it's fascinating stuff. The big problem for me and David is like, we don't have the hardware. To run these in any decent way, which has been a problem. Because it's like, to do intensive stuff, it slows your computer down quite a bit.
@ayoungstoicBut more and more, I'm looking at using the open source models. People have been doing fantastic stuff with them even in the past couple weeks. So yeah, that's definitely something I'm looking into right now.
Speaker 3Awesome. Okay. Thank you. All right. Neosone, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 7Thank you so much for the mic. And thank you even more for the testimony. And it's outrageous. I want to ask you guys, because I believe it's like very prevalent these days, this concept of handlers. And you told about the lawyer. who was kind of in suspicion of acting as a handler for the FBI. I want to ask you guys, have you encountered or maybe encountered something like this in your private life where people were introduced and then something felt off?
Speaker 7My personal opinion, I believe, That's a very entrenched mechanism in this society. Thank you.
@ayoungstoicI'd give it a strong possibly. I won't say there's anything like standout where it's like, oh, that, you know, exactly is it. But there have been weird occurrences with different family members and, you know, Most of my friends are digital. So it's occurred to me a couple times when weird things happened. But I don't know.
@ayoungstoicWhat do you think, David?
@davidpleveilleYeah, I think that there's definitely been a number of interesting coincidences where certain people have come across our path and seem like good actors. And maybe they are, but I definitely have some question marks around certain people that have, some have just crossed our paths briefly, others have more been ingrained in our paths for a much longer period of time.
@davidpleveillewhere I definitely have questions. I wouldn't say that there's an insane number of them, but there's definitely been over the years a number where I definitely have some caution flags up.
Speaker 3All right. GMO, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 8Hey, JoAnn. Hey, Ian. Thank you guys for the space. Thank you guys for coming up here, Jon and David. This is a question for David. You were explaining, you didn't go into detail, but what is the Monte Carlo scenario from your knowledge? And that's my first question. And then the second question is, if it were used by the FBI, do you have knowledge if they use it?
@davidpleveilleOh, like would the FBI use the Monte Carlo simulation? Yes.
@davidpleveilleThey probably have, I would think. The Monte Carlo simulation, it's basically like, you're basically just running algorithms. It's just a way to, yeah, you're doing statistical analysis. And you have to have data to run a Monte Carlo simulation. That part is critical. And thankfully, we did have enough data where we could run that.
@davidpleveilleWe had all of the criteria for each of the three aircraft, the Cessna 172, the Piper Archer, the Cessna 182. We know things like their service ceilings, their rate of climb, how much horsepower they have. We've got a lot of data on each of the aircraft. And then we also had... yeah we had a significant amount of weather data um not by modern standards but still like you know we had enough weather data that we could bring together enough numbers to get a reasonably um a reasonably accurate kind of Monte Carlo simulation with all of that data and I would think that the FBI probably
@davidpleveillewould run Monte Carlo simulations, but we haven't gotten any documentation from them back yet saying that they ever did or didn't run a Monte Carlo simulation. And we also haven't received that from the NTSB. I would think that, I mean, the NTSB, that's all they do is aviation crashes. So I'm kind of shocked, honestly, if the NTSB didn't run a Monte Carlo simulation, that would be kind of like...
@davidpleveilleI don't know if they normally do or don't but I would I would think surely that that would that would be something that would be common because it's you know it's a good it's a good research tool but yeah did I answer your question that's a great question yeah and can it be can it be integrated into say you know the x x like just into into twitter per se let's say let's say just as a you know
Speaker 8An example. I'm not saying it is, but that's another question I have. Is there possibilities that it can work?
@joann_marieI think Rob can do it, but we have the AI whisperer himself in the panel. Dan has made all of Ian's speeches and runs and just amazing work in Rumble and... Apple Podcasts, and IanMalcolm84. And it's just amazing what he's doing with AI. So Dank, welcome. And everybody, please follow him. He's absolutely amazing. How are you?
@allegedlydankHey, I'm good. Great. Thanks for having me up here. I know a lot about all this stuff. So if you, Jon or David, just message me and I can go a lot further on all of this. where were we at the uh the main thing where they were talking about with the Claude you would just use a harness which you would just use like the other models for when Claude refuses or is you know being suspect and that's what a harness does it just like uses other models for specific things it's like uh it's like the brain of the LLM basically um but the what was the other thing we were just talking about um the uh shit
@allegedlydankMonte Carlo
@joann_marieYou guys are speaking Chinese to me, but it sounds interesting. Yeah, I mean, you guys can reach out to each other and maybe some amazing things can come out of this.
@ayoungstoicYeah, 100%. And the actual, our initial intent, which I tried to get it to work, but it was with my computer, it was going to be a mess. I was going to put it in X-Plane. so that people could actually pull up a simulator and see the situation visually. We may still do that, but it's essentially running the Monte Carlo or statistical analysis type deal inside a flight simulator.
@ayoungstoicAnd so people can actually play that scenario and see how it plays out. But, yeah, no, 100%, I'd like to touch. I'll do it for sure.
@joann_marieAmazing, and thank you so much for coming up, Dank. I want to welcome Rabbi to the co-host position. Hey, Rabbi, how are you?
@malleusigHey, JoAnn, how are you doing? I'm not really sure how much I can contribute to this discussion. I don't know a lot about it or a lot of the topics that are being discussed, but I'm glad to support.
@joann_marieWell, glad to have you here, Rabbi. Thank you so much for co-hosting. All right. Now, rulers, go for it.
@icarusdissidentOkay. Thank you. I appreciate it. First, I want to backtrack on when we're talking about open models. Someone mentioned Kimmy K3, but also someone else mentioned uncensored models. Those are actually called obliterated models. Models. So what you do is you take a model and you actually do a series of post-training. So all these models are trained on data, but they're trained with quote unquote safety rules in place.
@icarusdissidentSo when you obliterate them, you post-train them to remove guardrails. So that makes them uncensored. We can get back to that if anyone has more questions. People were talking more about harnesses. I think it was Dank who mentioned some of that. The harness, the analogy I like to use is the harness is like someone is trying to teach you to drive a car.
@icarusdissidentBut they are standing outside the car the entire time talking to you with a radio or a walkie-talkie. That is what the LLM or these AI models are doing if you are talking to them with a chatbot interface. The harness is where you're actually putting the driving instructor in the driver's seat of the car. So they actually can access the steering wheel, the pedals, the shifters, the levers, turn signals, all that.
@icarusdissidentYou know, it doesn't matter how smart something is if it can't actually pull any levers. A quick example for Monte Carlo. There's a ton of ways that that can get specific. So for instance, like a super dumbed down example, if you flip a coin, there's a 50-50 chance you'll have heads or tails. But if you forget the probability and you flip a coin 10,000 times and you record every time that it hits heads or tails,
@icarusdissidentYou just did a Monte Carlo simulation.
@icarusdissidentActually, fun fact, when models, AI now, when it's quote unquote thinking, they are doing what is called a Monte Carlo pre-cert. People call it thought or reasoning or thinking models, but the actual mathematical process they're using is called the Monte Carlo pre-cert. We can go into more detail with that for all of these.
@icarusdissidentBut I just wanted to chime in with a couple more accessible definitions of some of those things that were mentioned.
Speaker 3Awesome. Thank you so much, NerdRollers.
@joann_marieAnd I want to welcome Mulberry to the stage. And she helped set this up as well. She has a really cool app that everybody should check out. And hey, Mulberry, thank you so much for being here. How are you?
Speaker 9I'm great. How are you guys doing? I just wanted to come up and show my support. And thank you, Ian and JoAnn and Rabbi for hosting this for Jon and David. I spoke to Jon in another space and it is absolutely a tragedy to lose your father. I lost my dad when I was 11, so in different circumstances. So I am just so sorry, again, what everything your family has gone through.
Speaker 9And your father would be so proud for you guys for fighting for justice for him. And I'm praying that will happen. It is... Just shows what is going on, even in small towns, how corrupt they are. And just keep fighting and get the word out. You know, these spaces are absolutely amazing. And networking can change lives.
Speaker 9So just continue to speak your guys' truth and digging for the truth. Thank you, guys. And I'm just going to continue praying for your family.
@ayoungstoicYeah, thank you so much. It really is, like, it's staggering.
@ayoungstoicI think someone else mentioned like how as a kid you know it's like you know you grow up thinking things are a certain way and then just like the level of perspective shifting is wild when you start to unravel things and just see how the world works in actuality.
Speaker 9It's a spiritual battle it really is and we just have to continue to Fight Against the Demons. And we all have our purpose from God to do those things. So just keep fighting and keep believing and trust God.
Speaker 5Absolutely. Thanks. Well, thank you so much. Yeah.
@davidpleveilleThank you for your support and the kind words, Mulberry. Thank you again, Ian, for hosting this space. JoAnn, you know, like. We are so grateful and thankful for this opportunity. Thank you, everybody who's tuned in to listen and show your support. We are so thankful for that. It's been a long road and there's been a lot of just people not interested and not wanting to hear, not caring.
@davidpleveilleSo it really feels good to hear people Say that, you know, and just express, like, that they do care and, you know, that this does matter. We really appreciate that.
@joann_marie100%. I know. I'm really happy that you guys came. And again, I'm really sorry about what happened. And hopefully good stuff comes out of this space and more people, like, know about it. And I don't know. Who knows, right? I'll also will be praying for you and your family. All right. Target, you. Welcome. Go for it.
@targetinguThank you so much, guys. I'm sorry I came in late and caught the very end. I'm not real up on this story, but I'm definitely going to be digging into it and learning as much as I can. But I'm assuming that you guys are really trying to do this on your own. I mean, how hard has it been? One of the questions I have. How hard has it been to find the right people that will help guide you along in this fight?
@targetinguLightly touch on it and tell us, have you been able to find anyone that will actually help you in this, like the legal fight?
@ayoungstoicNot for our dad's case. Every lawyer we contacted, we didn't get a call back. Well, actually, there was one lawyer that we contacted that actually bothered to respond to us, and they said, That was like a very high-end lawyer and just like way out of the price range. But we contacted hundreds of lawyers and didn't get responses from anybody.
@ayoungstoicThey would say, okay, yeah, leave a message or email us this and then just silence. Same with anything media related. We even tried like alternative media sources. We tried all sorts of non-profits and independent reporters. I think there's probably still some opportunity there. I think there are people that you can get in touch with that can help.
@ayoungstoicBut man, it feels like brick wall. And after years of sending those emails, it just feels like Feels like it's pointless at a certain point.
@davidpleveilleYeah, it becomes very demoralizing where we're up against a few different giants. One, money is just a huge factor in the American so-called justice system. If you don't have money, it's almost impossible to get justice in America. And we don't have money. So that's one obstacle that we're up against. Another obstacle is the amount of time that has passed because we were all so young when it happened.
@davidpleveilleAnd our mom had to cope with raising six young kids on her own. So, I mean, like she shut down for a good 10 years, you know, where like she did not want to think about this, talk about this, you know, like she was just blocking it out for a good decade. And so the cost of all that is we've lost time. We don't have money.
@davidpleveilleand you kind of have to have attorneys like to um to go anywhere especially with a case as complex as this it it brings in so many different types of law it crosses so many state boundaries it's an incredibly complex case we we would need like a very large legal team um and it would cost millions of dollars to litigate this which we don't have and then you've got these arbitrary
@davidpleveilleand I think evil statutes of limitations that are just obnoxious they're like oh well if you didn't file that in two years if you didn't file that in one year well sorry your justice expired you don't get any I'm like what is that like they they treat justice like milk you know it's like oh sorry your justice was left sitting out on the counter last night and so it went bad and it's spoiled now like that is the most absurd thing I think statutes of limitations are just statutes of limitations and
@davidpleveilleAny form of legal immunity, whether it's qualified immunity, sovereign immunity, judicial immunity, prosecutorial immunity, diplomatic immunity, is immunity, immunity, immunity for all the people in power. Everybody's got a special type of immunity for them, but not for we the little guys. And so it's kind of just this sea of giants that we're up against, these huge obstacles.
@davidpleveilleEach one of them on their own is an enormous one, but then you join them all together and it's just like, how on earth can anyone in our position ever get justice? And we're not the only ones either. We're very conscious. There are many, many other people, maybe not in our particular situation, but in similar situations here in America, that are also getting just screwed over by this so-called justice system.
@davidpleveilleIt's not designed to
@davidpleveilleJustice is not the outcome that this system is designed to facilitate. It's designed to facilitate something else. Corruption, enriching the powerful, protecting the powerful, the pedocrat elites. It is an insulation system for them. It's not a justice system.
@targetinguAnd it really doesn't... I'm sorry to interrupt you, but... There are statute of limitations, yes, but there, you know, I don't know if there's a lot of angles you can go, like crimes against humanity, because a lot of this stuff falls under it, you know. Also, attempted murder, murder, you know, so when there's fraud involved, there are like trolled, it's called trolled statutes of limitations and stuff, but I mean, good luck trying to find somebody that's going to help you take on
@targetinguYou know, senators and congressmen and the people that have billions of dollars. And I mean, it's just a weaponized system against us. And people don't realize it, especially if you're not in the middle of it or if you haven't seen it firsthand. I just basically discovered within the last two years that my brother was murdered 25 years ago.
@targetinguAnd for 25 years... I've always, well, I was led to believe that it was an accident. And I have a huge story. And just trying to tell the story is a job in itself. But to connect all the dots and all the people that were involved in, you know, I really am thankful that the story on Charlie Kirk is coming alive because it's opened a lot of people's eyes to...
@targetinguThe corruption and the organization and how deep it is and how many people are involved and who's involved and the real enemies of the state. And so I think that has been the best thing that's happened, I think, to wake everybody up type of thing. But unless you're right inside of it, you don't see it until and how it literally will rip you apart.
@targetinguIt's like every day you wake up questioning reality. You're like, this isn't my life kind of thing. And literally, until you go through it, you can't even imagine the trauma. It's like living in a horror movie. But yeah, I definitely sympathize with you guys. And like I said, I'm going to definitely get... Up to date with this story because, you know, these are the type of stories that need to be told in order to really, you know, maybe get some fire under the rest of us to say, hey, we're not doing this.
@targetinguWe're not going to do this anymore. So, yeah. So my name is Sherry, by the way. But thank you so much. And go ahead and finish up. I interrupted you.
@joann_marieWell, thank you so much for coming up, Sharia. Nice to meet you. And we have Forty up here. Hey, Forty, how are you?
Speaker 10Hey, JoAnn, Ian, Rabbi, Malbury, everybody's up here. Great space. I've just been listening in. I had some other obligations before and it's coming up soon that I have to attend to in other spaces. But I just wanted to come in here and support you guys and just say what's up. I haven't heard the whole space, so I can't comment too much.
Speaker 10But I do know that there is a lot of corruption when it comes to the police forces and these other alphabet agencies, what they cover up, and who they're really working for. And when you really get down into it, even when it comes to your local police department, who they're really working for is not you. And it hasn't been for a very long time.
Speaker 10There was even a Supreme Court ruling, this is a handful of years back now, that said, all the way up to the Supreme Court, that the police have no obligation to interfere on a crime or stop a crime. Their only job is to investigate a crime afterwards, allegedly. I think it had something to do with somebody getting attacked on a New York subway or something, and the cops didn't intervene.
Speaker 10It went up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court ruled... The cops did not have to intervene. That's not their job. Their job is to protect the property of the state, the laws of the state, and the corporations. That wasn't what the Supreme Court said. Let me make that clear. The Supreme Court didn't say exactly what I just said, but that is basically what you can gather off of what the Supreme Court said, was they're not there to protect the citizenry.
Speaker 10They have no obligation to stop a crime. So that begs the question of what are they really there for? And to me, that answer would be to protect the state, to protect the corporate interest, and to protect the laws no matter how bullshit they are. Now, I will end real quick here on a little bit of a white pill because while everything I just said is true to my understanding, and you can fact check it, but I believe it is, you can still have jury nullification when it comes to these crimes.
Speaker 10And recently in my home state here, or my state I currently reside in, not my home state, but of Ohio, there was somebody who was charged with destruction of flock cameras. And they even had him on camera, I believe, destroying the flock cameras. and the jury nullified it and they basically said that uh hey you know you can charge him with this crime but we don't actually believe what he did was a crime and so you know uh there is still that power that juries have in court and that means that's a power that all of we have all of us have if we are uh you know picked for jury duty and we show up and you know or you talk to people just inform other people because you never know when you're going to be on that jury duty and if it happens to be for a crime that you know an alleged crime that you don't actually think uh justice is being served
Speaker 10By that law, by that statute, or by persecuting that person under it, you can nullify it. And juries have that power. And we just saw it in Ohio, I think it was just this past week, where when it comes to the flock cameras and the destruction of them, the great people of Ohio here on that court case held up the jury nullification ability and let that gentleman go free.
Speaker 10So that's a powerful little white pill that we do still have some say. We still have some power. We just have to be informed about it. and actually have the courage to enact it.
@ayoungstoic100%. Yeah, no, I totally agree. And I think you brought up an excellent point. It's like, who are they protecting? It very much seems like a members-only club. And if you're not part of the group, then It's You Versus Them. And that's what I thought, like, when Ian started the space and he played the Sopranos theme, I thought it was, I was like, oh, yeah, that's very apt.
@ayoungstoicBecause we, our country functions very similarly to the mafia in a lot of ways. There's an excellent book called Mafia Democracy. that kind of breaks down the similarities from a member of the mafia, a former member of the mafia, the similarities between how the mafia structured their power and how the U.S. government currently does.
Speaker 5Which I thought is just funny.
@joann_marieExcellent points, Jon. And Ian, if you had played the Godfather theme, I would have guessed that one. I have never watched The Sopranos. I only watched like three episodes and I don't remember the song. I don't watch a lot of TV, guys. But no, this is such a great space. I'm loving it. So thank you so much for hosting it, Ian and Rabbi and Jon and David.
@joann_marieThank you so much for being here. All right. Dancing. How are you? Go for it.
@nikola1teslaWell, hey, I just got here, so I'm sorry I don't really know the topic. I was looking at what was in the Jumbotron and apparently somebody got killed through the actions of the FBI and they were denied justice. So that is not surprising that something like that would happen. I'm looking forward to learning the details on this and catching up on this part of the space that I missed.
@nikola1teslaBut yeah, as far as like, you know, mafia and gangsters and everybody else like kind of emulating what goes on in the government or I think a lot of them come from similar structured backgrounds like for instance bikers a lot of them were veterans and a lot of them understand you know the military they understand the government and like a lot of bikers in their meetings use Robert's Rules of Orders to conduct their meetings which kind of seems like a real governmental thing to do but it's like a hierarchical structure thing that's that's the only thing that I
@nikola1teslacan contribute from what I've read in books and whatnot and seen on TV, etc. But yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to hearing the rest of the space. And, you know, I just got here, so I really can't contribute much. But I want to say hello to everybody. And thanks for being here. I'll pass it on.
@joann_marieWell, thank you so much for coming up, Dancing. And yeah, no, I was just saying that all of the institutions have been corrupted since the beginning, and it's pretty crazy. And finally, people are realizing what's actually happening. And yeah, they do not work for the people. They literally work for the people on top, you know?
@joann_marieSo yeah, either corporations or like, it's just literally a mafia and it's absolutely horrifying. But... Yeah, I mean, by people waking up, change is coming. So thank you so much for that, Dancing. And if anyone wants to come up and say hi or give us your opinion, you guys are welcome to do so. And Ian, what are your thoughts so far?
Ian MalcolmWell, I'll tell you, one of the things I'm very interested to see is... So at the end of this, you know, we've got wonderful minds like allegedly Dank... Who are so fantastic with AI, right? And to JoAnn's comment, you know, pushing out all this content that we're creating to some of those alternate channels. But he also makes, and I put one up into the nest, he's also been using this to construct some of these smaller snippets, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd to give you an idea, so the AI is basically listening back to the playback of the spaces. It's picking up moments that are either heated or prospectively interesting based on its own algorithm. The thing that I can't wait to see is what his AI will be capable of doing, and we can see if he can run it through it, to basically synthesize the story that we just heard from these two individuals, cross-reference any publicly available information, whether that's news clippings or perhaps some of the police testimony.
Ian MalcolmI assume a lot of it is public record, right? And to basically say to the AI, I want you to go out and come to a assessment on what you think might have happened. What data points might we be overlooking? And I wouldn't be surprised if the AI doesn't come up with either some angles that perhaps we haven't thought of. And obviously, we know that the bias is going to be there.
Ian MalcolmIt's going to try and protect the usual suspects. But AI does a really good job of avoiding the people with the small hats. I don't think it does quite as much to obfuscate the three-letter agencies, right? And so maybe, allegedly, Dank's AI will...
Ian MalcolmHere's the events that took place. Here's why this is interesting. And maybe be able to provide these two gentlemen with some kind of material that they could take away that they could just use to further share the story, right? And so I think that's, you know, just something that's been top of mind. And, you know, obviously, again, AI is very biased for the same interest of, I think what I heard for the first time, somebody called it the pedocracy, which is like, God, it's unbelievable that that is both true and comedy.
Ian MalcolmBut no, it is just a fascinating story. And maybe the scariest part about it is recognizing that these things are happening probably every day, right? And it doesn't matter if it is an individual that gets wrapped up in maybe catching some information that they're not supposed to, or in my belief system, if it was Obama's chef, who I think may have walked in on something or found something he wasn't supposed to find, right?
Ian MalcolmOr...
Ian MalcolmObvious examples of corruption
Ian Malcolmfor these wonderful gentlemen. And then maybe around the top of the hour, we'll wind out the space with some positive remarks here from not just JoAnn and our lovely featured guests, but maybe we can go to Mr. Rabbi and get maybe a musical outro that perhaps can give a little levity on the other side of the Sopranos theme that we used to kick this space off.
Ian MalcolmWhy don't we go down to BASED, I know that they're in here, and see if they've got any thoughts for either David or for Jon.
Speaker 11Hey Ian, JoAnn, Rabbi, interesting you mentioned the word outro, because I was going to speak of the word intro when you discussed opening up the space with the Sopranos. [guest]-Levy
Speaker 11That was my only point, and as always, I didn't have much time to listen to today's space, but I'm going to listen to the recording, and God bless everyone, and have a great evening.
Ian MalcolmYou as well, Mr. Baseman, and yeah, we try to figure out how to take these darker subjects and to... LeVeille.
Ian MalcolmThe heroic background of this individual who unfortunately might have gotten caught up in this machine in honor of that legacy, but also perhaps to spark some ideas, new ways for these people to think about this and certainly others to be able to take their story and further share this again as a kind of exemplary of what happens when this group has power.
Ian MalcolmVery well stated there, based. With that being said, I'm not sure, Joey, if you wanted to jump in and perhaps add any thoughts or questions, or Dank, if you had any thoughts on the AI and prospectively doing kind of a report card on the space to see if we might have overlooked anything.
@allegedlydankNo, I was just going to add, I've met so many great people. I mean, obviously, like you and JoAnn. My buddy that I was working with on the Charlie Kirk stuff, he was a cybersecurity expert and an open source intel enthusiast. I've learned a lot from him and we've shared a lot of work. We've created local models that are also online that are specifically for this task, or he has, I should say.
@allegedlydankI can definitely get you in the right place as far as... Looking for that name and seeing if there's any other online places she might have been, that would be easy. So definitely stay in touch.
@joann_marieDank is literally a godsend, like, it's crazy. Okay, so the way we found Dank was, well, he found us, but Ian told me, like, on a DM, like, oh, I wish this happened, you know, like, I wish our spaces were, like, put in other platforms and stuff, and I was like, well, that's gonna be really hard, but, I mean, let's do it.
@joann_marieAnd then out of nowhere... Dank messaged me that day, later that day. I don't think we ever met him before. I don't know. But he was like, hey, so I'm doing this really cool AI that you can talk to him and she would give you answers. And I was like... Can you do this? And he was like, yes, I can. It was just kind of literally like God sent us.
@joann_marieNo, Dank, I'm so blown away by you. So thank you so much. And I'm sure great things are going to happen because this person is literally like an angel. This is not a real person, guys. This is an angel. It's crazy.
@allegedlydankThank you, JoAnn. I appreciate that. But we're all sinners. I'm a sinner, you know. I pray to God every day for my sins, but I listen to these spaces and I really wish I heard a lot of this stuff 10 years ago, like five years ago. Ian is like a great example of, you know, of what, you know, just it's perfect example. And that's that's like why I like promote him so much.
@allegedlydankYou know, I wanted to say one more thing. I probably should shout him out. It's Truth Evades on X. It's T-R-O-O-F-E-B-A-D-E-S. And then. The website that he and kind of I created around the Charlie Kirk stuff, which is super interesting. It's audio.truthevades.com. That's spelled correctly. T-R-U-T-H-E-V-A-D-E-S.com. And you can just type in truthevades.com.
@allegedlydankThat'll come up too. And it's super cool what he's put together as far as the Charlie Kirk stuff. And it's not really out there as much. Might as well shout him out.
Ian MalcolmWell, and Dank, if he'd ever want to, I just went to his profile and I know it's protected or locked, but if he'd ever like to do a space and kind of walk through that, not only would I love to try and bring attention to that, but I think we'd probably get somebody like maybe Diligent or Sam Parker or some of these folks that have really gone deep into the Charlie Kirk assassination to either
Ian MalcolmCharlie Kirk's Space
@allegedlydankHe actually got doxxed and I don't really know the full story behind it. But yeah, if you've been keeping up with it, like the Paramount guy, he's had a space who basically like was promoting his group of people to go out and do this. And then like, yeah, it's a big, big, big drama in the Charlie Cook side. But my buddy never got away from it.
@allegedlydankSo he's involved with it for sure.
Ian MalcolmI was just going to say, for what it's worth. And I see Colin down there, one of the OGs of JQ Radio. And I mentioned that because going all the way back to those days, which I guess are two or three years ago at this point, I was encouraging everybody, don't give anything to anyone. And I know that that can sound, it's like Fed speak, right?
Ian MalcolmThey'll say, oh, you don't want people to go and try and be activists. No, that's not what I'm saying. But just if you're going to talk about these issues on these platforms, just be wary of what you share with anyone. And I say that because there's all kinds of people that have been in all kinds of circles that people thought were their allies and they shared things in group chats.
Ian MalcolmAnd then the next thing you know, they do a U-turn, they become crazy people. I'm sure everybody knows who I'm referencing when I say that crazy cat lady. Thank you so much for having me.
Ian MalcolmI've always taken this stance. I'm going to try and stay anonymous because there's a lot of consequences to speaking out against these things. And it truthfully does not matter if you have a thousand, a hundred, two or two million followers, right? If you talk about these issues, you upset the wrong person with either a post that goes viral or you say something in a space that somebody doesn't like, it doesn't matter, right?
Ian MalcolmThese people will try to do anything and everything to destroy We had the woman in the space the other day with us. It's fascinating to speak with her, right? She works with Steve Bannon's program. And she basically said that she knows that she is unemployable essentially anywhere but where she is right now, right? And perhaps she's got a good gig, right?
Ian MalcolmBut it's worth noting that if that is a true statement, well, then not only can she not go and do anything else, but if she's doing the only thing that she can do... LeVeille.
Ian Malcolmand as a result only go out on that limb sharing information if you feel completely comfortable with those consequences right and and so on that idea of a doxing more you can't get doxed if you haven't shared anybody with anything and made any let's say accidental uh representation of who you might be and all that kind of stuff so just an advocacy again be thoughtful be careful and just be
Ian MalcolmNot just pragmatic, but don't allow yourself to get so overridden with emotion that you say or share anything that could be used against you in any capacity, right? We will only be able to win if we are smarter than our opposition. And let's be real, while I've, I think we've all demonstrated, everybody in here on this panel has demonstrated that the Jewish supremacists, I don't know how else to say it, intellect is not on their side, right?
Ian MalcolmBut a craftiness and an immorality and the strength that comes with it seemingly is. So let's just be smart. Let's be crafty. Let's be clever. Let's always be righteous and don't share information that you don't want shared with everybody and presume that anything you do share in a group or in a post or in a space might accidentally get leaked to more people that you intend.
Ian MalcolmSo again, not trying to scare anybody into anything, but just to give a little bit of Let's say a piece of consideration for those that are anonymous. Again, just trying to look out for everybody. But no, really well stated there, Dank. I know that we've got Mr. IQviaJQ, and Amiru, I know that you might not have gotten to hear this entire space, but the fact that we've got two individuals up here who it certainly seems reasonable to conclude their father might have essentially gotten not only wrapped up in something that might have cost him his life, that the intelligence agency
Ian MalcolmI'm trying to get to the bottom of what might have happened. And I hope not. No, you're back. You're back. And that in the process might have, of all people, had reason to believe there were connections to none other than Jeffrey Epstein. And so, Amiru, I'm just kind of curious for your thoughts on the intelligence agencies and our law enforcement and their either interest in or lack thereof of actually enforcing laws when it comes to certain sets of power.
@iqviajq2Well, thanks for having me, Ian. I came up because you made me laugh when you said crazy cat lady because, I mean, she goes by her handle, which is like feline. What the hell? God's just, I think, going all out and making everything kind of come full circle. But, I mean, how poetic is her handle with her behavior, with everything that she is?
@iqviajq2She calls me the gaslighter, and to this day, I don't even know what she means by that. But apparently I'm the gaslighter As for law enforcement Oh, by the way, before I get into our institution There's no way the Jews are smart, no And when I go into the PFC in our space in October I'll show you why it's basically a scientific fact that Jews are stupid Unless they're not Jewish in orientation, let's say As for our...
@iqviajq2institutions. Like, Charlie Kirk gets shot. We all know. Israel's killed him somehow. Well, it's not just Israel. Whatever's involved, Israel and Jews are involved. It's so obvious to anyone that has an investigative mind. It's clear that they did it. We don't have the full picture, but since when does a red flag tell you the whole story?
@iqviajq2A girl goes on a date with you for one time, and she's like, that guy's just full of red flags. But she can't tell you exactly what you're going to do that's going to be bad or dangerous or aversive. It's just signs of something not quite right. And when you get a million signs, if you're not listening, then you're stupid.
@iqviajq2And we have more than 6 million signs coming from the Jewish side. Right now, Tactical is doing his gay-ass space. Who is the faggot that goes on there and listens to that and says, man, I'm fucking ahead of the game here. They're all wrong. I'm listening to this midget. Anyway, I don't want to get too hard on the... He's got a hard life.
@iqviajq2He's selling his soul. He's selling his dignity. He's got a hard life ahead of him. So about institutions, I'm going to get to the point here. Charlie Kirk gets shot. He's basically a civilian. He's basically any one of us if we become famous enough. And we already know that the internet can elevate the most average of civilians.
@iqviajq2So he's us. When people say Charlie Kirk is us, they mean... We are a citizen and he is a citizen and Israel has proven and Jews have proven that citizens are not off limits. Well, that's fine. You're messing with America, the strongest country in the world. You're fucked. You're fucking with the American government. You're screwed.
@iqviajq2Guess what? They run the government. Now what? And that's the danger of our situation. And that's why it's so scary. And that's why you should listen to Ian and not lose your shit and say all the shit. I'm known for being vulgar, so it's kind of consistent along the... For me, at least, it's consistent across the board, but
@iqviajq2Generally speaking, you gotta control your emotions. That's the tragedy. This is since he got shot. Till now, we know, and we're still just patiently going through the motions. They don't know how to deal with this pain. They're filled with instant gratification with all the machines that they have and all the money that they have and the constant betrayals.
@iqviajq2We have to go through it like Sisyphus. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've recreated my account. Every time. I get even some traction, 500, 700, they nuke it. And Sisyphus ain't got shit on me. We're going through, we're compensating for the most advanced, sophisticated law enforcement and FBI in the world, Americas.
@iqviajq2It's compromised, but if it was working for us, they would have been caught immediately. If we caught them, for sure, they would have caught them. But we don't get the luxury of that. And so what a strange place American citizens find themselves in. We're not privileged. It's so easy to look at us and point and say you deserve this.
@iqviajq2Nobody deserves this. We're not privileged. We have iPhones, but that doesn't mean that we're not slaves to this system. You say the wrong thing, you're going to get fired. I'm self-employed and I still might lose my income, my monthly income and my livelihood. I might die if I don't speak up about this. We might lose our country if we don't speak up about this.
@iqviajq2I'm willing to put, it's not my full name, but I'm basically out there. If you try searching for me, you'll find me. And part of me is like, please come and find me. Because all you're doing is depressing me. I want more eyes on me, not less. Because you're making sure I don't have any eyes on me. I don't know what it is they fear about me, but I'm not going anywhere.
@joann_marieBeautifully stated, Amiru. And I cannot wait for our space. It's going to be wild. I have no idea what you're going to talk about. So yeah, I cannot wait for it. And we have a new person on the panel. And guys, again, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps a lot with the algorithm and follow Ian and Rabbi and Jon and David and IQviaJQ.
@joann_marieEverybody on the panel are just absolute superstars. Alright, Michael, are you the one who FedPosts? Don't FedPost.
@joann_marieMichael, I need to hear his voice now.
Speaker 12You need to hear my voice, can you hear me?
@joann_marieYeah, I think it is, yeah. Alright, don't FedPost.
Speaker 12So, I had an amazing night. I was in there, I live in my truck. Done With Society. So I'm sitting here and this truck pulls up behind me and honks the horn. So I get out of my truck and I go over, I'm like, what's up? And the guy in the back seat, they just got, they just left the bar. And the guy's all, why'd you walk over here?
Speaker 12What are you doing? I'm like, dude, you just called me over here. He's all, well, you're getting too close. I'm like, dude, I'm nonviolent. Is that okay?
@joann_marieI have no idea what you're going on about, but do you have anything to say about this space?
Speaker 12So this space is about what?
@joann_marieYou just got here.
Speaker 12Yeah, I just got here. I was just like, really?
@joann_marieYeah, no, I don't think you're the one that I thought you were. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 12So what is this space about right now? Killed by the FBI with a... Again, Stockick. So.
Speaker 3I don't want to go through all of this space. That's fine.
Speaker 12I'm not going to be.
Speaker 3All right.
Speaker 3So why did you come up?
@joann_marieDo you have anything to add or anything? Give us your thoughts on the FBI.
@targetinguHe thought he was being hired by the FBI.
Speaker 12Well, we'll see. The whole thing is freaking rigged. I mean, we've been infiltrated so hard, it's not even funny. So anything you get from any government, they're now bringing in beef that is going to kill a lot of people or poison them, at least, from Argentina. It's going to hurt our cattle industry, some more people, not 77 places.
Speaker 12Shut down a day just like COVID. Well, now we're fighting with Canada. Now they're going to fight with Egypt, Turkey. Everything's going to go to shit because that's what Trump is designed to do.
@joann_marieWell, people are waking up and they're pushing against it. So we cannot fix over 100 years of their infiltration that fast, but it's going to be OK. As long as we keep talking and waking people up and resisting this bullshit, it's going to be fine.
Speaker 12Well, yeah, but how much more can they poison our skies, waters, and everything else? I mean, come on.
@joann_marieWe're going to have a space with a guy who is... Hold on, let me... Jan, do you remember? I forgot his name.
Ian MalcolmNo, this one... So actually, JoAnn, this is a really good... Way for us to both celebrate something that's to come and also to answer the question that was just asked, right? Which is, look, I can appreciate things are getting worse and this machine has way too much power. They're flexing it left and right. And so there's obviously a lot of reason to be concerned.
Ian MalcolmAnd yet, to JoAnn's point, this idea, you know, and I understand people can hear her say, oh, we just got to keep waking people up and we're going to fix things. That sounds overly optimistic or rosy or I suppose maybe even you could say it sounds juvenile, right? Oh, you're willfully ignorant to the challenges that are ahead of you.
Ian MalcolmAnd no, we're not. We just recognize that merely a year or two or three ago, I just mentioned JQ Radio and Colin, and it was 10 of us. It was like 15 people. and we would sit and talk and be like, hey guys, have you thought about this angle with Jews? Like, this is weird. And now this space that JoAnn was just referencing, we're going to be talking with somebody who is going to come in and they are one of, I suppose, one of the world's leading intellectuals when it comes to this idea of geoengineering.
Ian Malcolmand that our skies and our waterways and our soil and all of these other things are being poisoned. We are basically under attack from every direction. It is our television. It is the food that we eat. It's the soil that they use to grow the crops that we are eating, which are way better, by the way, than the things that come out of a laboratory.
Ian MalcolmBut nonetheless, the air that we're breathing, the water that we're bathing in, certainly that we're drinking, that all of these are different attack factors. And this is one of the The foremost experts when it comes to this idea of kind of geoengineering. And he was on Tucker Carlson, right? Our little conversations that started with Colin and JQ Radio talking about Jewish supremacy in an era where nobody cared to even address the questions that we were asking, right?
Ian MalcolmWe'd go into other rooms. We'd go into Suleiman's room and we were the... We were the anti-Semites. We'd go into the punch bowl. We were the crazy conspiracy theorists. And now we're going to be able to talk with an individual that Tucker Carlson wants to speak with, right? And so the fact that not only is that happening, but that simultaneously as it is, his brother Buckley, again, Tucker Carlson, you can critique, you can say, you know, he has ties to the intelligence agency through his family.
Ian MalcolmThat's certainly all true. It doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent podcaster In The World, right? And again, we can point to some of those pieces that are a little bit suspect, but if anybody is going to give us the opportunity to reach a much more mainstream audience, he's the guy.
Ian MalcolmAnd his brother regularly shares in Malcolm 84 posts on Jewish supremacy, right? And so again... People can say, oh, how are we ever going to accomplish anything? It's too big of a task. I'm sorry. We are punching way above our intellectual weight class, is what I would say. We are making a difference in ways that we can't comprehend.
Ian MalcolmAnd in fact, I shared this with somebody the other day. I was talking to someone about this issue that every now and then we talk, we talked for a long time about politics. They've asked me a couple questions about Jewish supremacy. They were familiar with Jewish supremacy. They mentioned that term verbatim. That is a term I had never heard anybody use in regular conversation until David Nietzsche and Truth Teller, and then our room started using that phrase, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd that was used by a random person who has no idea I do any of these things on the internet. They were just talking. They were like, yeah, man, that Jewish supremacy. I was like, wait a second, right? Literally, in my lived experience, the ideas that we are doing our best to essentially propagandize from a stance of righteousness are getting into the zeitgeist of people that I now am physically living amongst.
Ian MalcolmAnd I just find that wild. It's indicative of the impact that we're having on the world. And it's just, again, we should recognize the challenge ahead. But we should also celebrate the ground that we've covered. And so, yes. But JoAnn, do you know when the date of that conversation is?
@joann_marieYes. Just one minute. It's September 22nd. And his name is Dane Wingington.
@joann_marieand yeah he's going to talk about chemtrails and also about I asked him about the machine that causes earthquakes because they were like those earthquakes are not natural like that's crazy and he was like yes I know all about this so he is an expert on all of these topics and yeah I remember a couple of years ago everyone was like no that's a conspiracy theory chemtrails are not real well some people still say that but now more people are waking up and they're like realizing that no it's it's not a conspiracy
@joann_marieIt's actually something that is actually happening. They are doing it. These people are fucking evil. But yeah, no, I'm really excited for that space. And yeah, Rabbi, you have your hand up. Go for it.
@malleusigYeah, thanks. I just wanted to add to my own take on the question that was asked before. I am in between you guys. I agree with, I think it was Mike, I'm not sure. I agree that talking alone is not enough. But my take on this is a little different. My take on it is that we will never be able to move forward into any kind of society that is based on objective reality as long as they're able to assert their false reality and prosecute anyone who refuses to participate in it.
@malleusigAnd for that reason, Even though getting on here and talking about these things openly won't in and of itself fix everything, it's a necessary step. Because as long as their unwritten heresy laws remain in effect, right? And I mean unwritten heresy laws because this is the only heresy we have left. You no longer go to jail, you no longer burn at the stake for saying that the world is round or that it isn't the center of the universe.
@malleusigBut you will have your livelihood taken away from you and be left to starve for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen exactly the way Steven Spielberg told me in this movie that he made that was totally fictional. So, as long as the power to prosecute heresy against the Jewish narrative is enforceable, whether formally or informally,
@malleusigWe're going to be easy pickings. It's going to be very easy. And this is the reason we made this system in the first place. They made it so that it's very easy to pick us off one by one if we step out of line. And as long as that heresy effect is in play, we will not be able to gain ground, which is why it is so important to come up here and allow yourself to speak the truth or to explore
@malleusigThe Truth. Whether you believe it 100% or not. I mean, there's a lot of people who say, I don't go far enough. They say, oh man, you're covering for the Jews. You're not saying that they actually funded Hitler and it was all a big thing and our entire reality is planned and managed by them. It's like, well, we can talk about that.
@malleusigBut the important thing is that we're able to. The important thing is that we have the freedom to explore those subjects. Because you never know. No one knows for sure that they're right about everything. And if anyone does come in and tell you to stop talking about something because you're definitely wrong, honestly, that probably means you're on the right track.
@malleusigAnd that's what you need to be talking about more. And so until we can do that, until we can normalize talking about these things, then people like, what was his name, Mayorkas? People like Mayorkas are going to be able to Slither their way out of accusations of not doing their job by some saying, damn it, my family was a survivor of the Holocaust and how dare you talk to me in such an anti-Semitic way.
@malleusigLike, they're just going to pull it out as a get-out-of-jail-free card whenever it suits them, like they've been doing continually up till now. We need to get it to a point where we listen to them say shit like that and we laugh. Hartley, right? We need to be able to mock these idiots to their faces when they pull stupid shit like this and not suffer any kind of societal repercussions in return, because frankly, there's no reason we should in the first place.
@malleusigAnd so that's what I wanted to add to that. It's not enough. And I agree with you. Talking is not enough. It's a necessary step that we need to clear before we can move on to the things that are going to matter in terms of making real change. So that's, I just wanted to add to that.
Ian MalcolmIt's also kind of funny, Rabbi, just, and Rabbi, another individual that back in the day with Colin and I in JQ Radio, and I bring it up just because three years ago, not only this idea of Jewish control of all of these things, but also You know, Rabbi was just talking about the false reality, and it doesn't matter if it's LGBTism, if it's some of the racial, let's say, realities around things like crime statistics.
Ian MalcolmThose conversations, and Rabbi, you can attest to this, three years ago when we were talking about things like IQ averages amongst certain groups of people, nobody talked about those things. It was considered extremely taboo, if not crazy or lunacy. And we would sit there and say, well, I think we should talk about these crime statistics and how it might have something to do with IQ.
Ian MalcolmAnd everybody said, you're a crazy person or you're a flaming racist. And now you look on the timeline. And there's all these people in the alt-right who are saying, guys, I don't know, maybe there's something about IQ here. And it's like, yes! And so I really do believe we've been normalizing some of these very important issues.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's not for the purpose of, you know, let's say being critical or condescending to certain groups of people. But if you're going to... Again, if you're going to point at the false reality that is built by Jewish supremacy, it's all of these things. It is the reasonability of questioning, let's say, LGBTism. And what is that a result of?
Ian MalcolmIs it healthy for a society to push it? Is it healthy for a society to say that obesity is health, right? That diversity is a strength. These are all... Slogans of the machine that is Jewish supremacy that we've been normalizing the opposition to, that again, just a couple years ago, this was way outside of the norm, right?
@malleusigAnd that is a very good term for it, the false reality, right? Because the things that we talk about are not coming out of any kind of special animus that we have towards Jewish people, or black people, or trans people. Honestly, it's just a refusal to participate in the false reality that's being imposed on us. And if you refuse to participate in that false reality, you are going to start talking about all the things that all these mindless, nonsensical assertions that we're being asked to sign on to.
@malleusigAnd it's just a sad fact of the matter that those nonsensical assertions overwhelmingly favor Jews. Black people, trans people, God knows who else, migrants, right? And it's just like, I'm sorry, I'm not going to, I'm not going to play. I'm not going to participate in this. And because I have a fundamental respect for objective reality, and I don't believe that that's something that can be negotiated.
@malleusigIt's not something you vote on. Objective reality, a cancer diagnosis is not decided by committee. It's decided by whether or not you have Malignant Cells Forming a Tumor in Your Body. That's it. You can't vote it away. You can't talk it out of your body. You can't cure it by deciding to redefine what the word cancer means.
@malleusigAnd that's the reality that I live in. And I'm sorry, I'm not going to, I guess, what's a good way to put it? I'm not going to close my eyes and pretend that I live in a virtual reality where I can just kind of make everything up. If I don't like the way things really are and I can just pretend that they're fine, which is what we're being asked to sign on to.
@malleusigAnd if that's going to get me called an anti-Semite or a racist, then I think we need to look at who's calling me those names and have a real talk about IQ, to be honest. I think a lot of times they're just proving us right when we talk about this kind of thing. What was the effect we discovered, Ian? The Murray effect?
@malleusigAny conversation about race and IQ that blacks come into? They will, given enough time, inevitably prove you right without knowing it.
Ian MalcolmWell, see, yeah, we can come up... Well, there's a number of ways. Dunning-Kruger, I think, essentially gives kind of a scientific approach. But no, I think there's probably a number of individuals that we could make up our own law based on some of the handles that we've had these debates with where people have... Well, we definitely could.
Ian MalcolmThe perplexity of these statistics never seems to amaze. But look, and that is stated with no animus towards anybody, not trying to be condescending. At the end of the day, look, crime has a lot to do with temperament and intellect. If you are a slow person... who's incapable of processing complex emotions, you are prone to violence.
Ian MalcolmIf you are incapable of recognizing that short-term decision-making have long-term repercussions and you're not able to compute that in the moment, you might do some dumb things. And so if you go to inmates, those of, in particular, violent crime, they are rampantly overrepresented by individuals who are low IQ. That is just the truth of the matter.
@malleusigI think it's 85%. of prison inmates are below 85 or 80 IQ, if I remember correctly.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and I wouldn't doubt that at all, right? And if you look at that and then you say, okay, well, is it therefore reasonable to look at different groups of people and to try and figure out, well, where are their average IQs? Because I wonder if that might have a result on the representation within the inmate population.
Ian MalcolmAnd then you notice a very obvious overlap. And when you're told you're not allowed to have those conversations, while you're also told that everybody is the same, while you're also told that you're a bigot if you don't suggest otherwise, at some point you come to a breaking point. And so this false reality, Rabbi, I love the way that you kind of define that.
Ian MalcolmThat is what we've been pushing back against. And then what you end up noticing is that the false reality is created by the Jewish supremacists because it ultimately allows them... To socially engineer as well as geoengineer, not only our planet for the air we breathe and the water we drink, right? But also for the way that we see the world, right?
Ian MalcolmThrough a lens that's going to ultimately benefit them. And the things that benefit them might not benefit us. They might not benefit our children. So we speak out against them. So again, yes, Rabbi is completely correct. That is why, oh, by the way, I will do everything I can, not just to support candidates like Dan Bilzerian and Casey Putsch.
Ian MalcolmWe've got to have enough people aware of what's going on so that when we do have, let's say, the cart that is the candidate, that we have enough support for them.
Ian MalcolmIf the world recognized Jewish supremacy and everybody's willing to say that's a problem, Randy Fine would not have won re-election. And if he did, everybody would have looked around and said, you know, I don't believe that vote tally. I think you guys have rigged the voting system. And then you'd have millions of people out in the street, not violently, but saying, we don't believe these results.
Ian MalcolmWe need to have fair elections. This is ridiculous, right? So these things need to go in tandem. We're going to continue doing what we can, right? I... I can't grab a lightsaber and the elephants from the Lord of the Rings and to march our way up to the White House with a big elephant. It's not going to happen tomorrow.
Ian MalcolmBut what we can do is create an intellectual army of people that are willing, when the time comes, not to do anything violent, but to have enough people that can stand outside of all of these political spheres of Influence, and to demand an end to all of this insanity. So that's what we're going to try to do. And I encourage and I welcome anybody doing anything and everything in their local community as makes sense and as you are able to with, again, being cognizant of the realities of being a public persona speaking out against these issues.
Ian MalcolmIf you have the luxury of doing it, by all means. If you have things that you're trying to do, let me know. We will bring attention to that topic in a space. I was just going to add to what you said. You're talking about how we don't have animus, we don't have anger against anyone. I have anger.
@malleusigIt's against one thing, not a person. The anger that I feel is extremely, extremely strong and really, really powerful. But that anger is directed, and it's always there, but it's directed only at the idea that I'm being asked to participate in falsehood knowingly. The fact that I'm being asked to knowingly participate in a falsehood fills me with biblical-level rage.
@malleusigAnd I'm not afraid to admit that. But outside of that, everything I do is completely dispassionate.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And it's really like being Neo, right? We've escaped the Matrix. We're with those individuals. It's actually a really kind of appropriate one. We're on the Nebuchadnezzar, guys. If you think about it, we don't have the fancy ship, right? We don't have the steak dinner. We don't have all the riches and all the other stuff.
Ian MalcolmWe've got just the truth, the reality, right? We've escaped the fake world, and there's some discomfort in that existence, right? But at the end of the day, or the end of the movie, let's say, you know, Neo presumably creates the better world, is able to eject everybody from that machine, is able to actually, and it's, again, kind of appropriate, because if you remember, the characters even in there, they talk about, no, we...
Ian MalcolmWe weren't born by the machines. It was just real nature doing its thing, right? The tank and dozer, I think were their name. And I mentioned that because once you escape the matrix, you actually can enjoy the reality of the world that you were otherwise forced to lie about if you live there within, right? So maybe you don't get the Ferraris, but you get the truth, right?
Ian MalcolmMaybe you don't get the gold watches, but you get either spiritual... Acknowledgement and the ability to pursue something higher that's obviously lamented in this crazy world we live in, right? Or merely the knowledge that you're doing something to try and save, literally, humanity. Because if we lose, guys, it seems pretty obvious where all of this goes.
Ian MalcolmI do not want to live like the Palestinians in Gaza under the genocide of the Israeli Jews because Palantir is monitoring everything that everybody does. and the drones from Andoril are going around and injecting you with mRNA because you haven't had enough of their, you know, processed, what is it, the cricket burgers or whatever it's going to be in the future, right?
Ian MalcolmI refuse to participate in that. I don't want it for the people that come after us and we're doing something about it. And that makes us heroes in whatever small way we are, right? So we should take some kind of solace in that recognition. We should feel enthused because we're part of something that's far bigger than ourselves.
Speaker 13Am I on? Can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmWe can hear you. Go for it.
Speaker 13Somebody sent me a link on X and I just jumped in and pretty much enjoy what you're saying.
Ian MalcolmIt's a dangerous thing to do, but welcome aboard.
Speaker 13Yes, it is. Everything you're saying makes sense and I live in the swamp. Middle of D.C., right? Or D.C., the Northern Virginia Swamp. And I'm running for Congress. I'm actually on the ballot. Oh, you are? And it's horrific. Yes, yes.
Ian MalcolmThank you for trying to get out there and make a difference.
Speaker 13Yeah, no, I've been trying to make a difference. And all they've been doing was, like, cutting me off at the knees and attacking me because I'm an anti-Semite, apparently. And among other things, I'm mentally ill and whatever. It's horrific. This place is... I'm going to get probably cut off here in a minute and I won't be able to speak because I'm not allowed to talk in ex-chats.
Ian MalcolmOh, no, no, no. That's not going to happen. They try that regularly in here, but nobody's going to cut you off.
Speaker 13It happens. Literally, I was on a chat earlier tonight that I was kicked off like seven times. I had to restart, restart. Echoing weird shit. I don't know. This is a real chat. I'm just curious. This is a real chat. We're with real people, no handlers, with no oversight. That's good to know.
@malleusigWe've got people in the tunnels, but otherwise you're good.
Speaker 13Who started this chat? Can I ask that question with being ignorant? What location are you guys? I'm stuck in Fairfax County, Northern Virginia.
@malleusigWe generally don't disclose our physical location in these chats.
Speaker 13I'm sure you understand. I do understand, but I am literally a fucking target in the middle of the swamp, so I'd just like to know who I'm talking to.
Speaker 14So you don't feel so alone. So you don't feel so alone. I live in Little Tel Aviv, aka Las Vegas, and it is a Jew-infested Jewish supremacy. It might as well be a rape colony as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 13Now I literally live on that. It's called Fort Hunt.
@joann_marieI'm in Mexico and it's beautiful here. There is literally not a single synagogue in my hometown. Highly recommend.
Speaker 8I'm in Southern California, Lampshade, SoCal, California.
Speaker 13Wow. This is... So nice to talk to people that you understand. Do you see how divided we are? How are we going to help each other when we don't even live in the same state? It's like the few people that can connect don't live anywhere near each other. It's just...
@malleusigThis is not about being the final solution, right? What we're doing here is just lighting a spark. We need people to start reaching out to their neighbors and creating little circles of friends locally.
Speaker 13Sorry, my husband's asking me who I'm talking to. It's late and I should go to bed. Your fax is not right. He thinks it's weird and it is weird. I'm like, I'm living in a political world.
Speaker 14Just tell him it's your anti-Semite support group. Oh my gosh. Your political advisory campaign.
Speaker 13Gosh, can you guys all please, like, can I connect with you directly? Because this is like, I don't have those people. If you guys look at my, look at my ex, like, profile and look at my pinned post. I ran for the Fairfax County Republican chair. And the day that I dropped the money to be on the ballot, I got a call from the Jewish insider talking about my anti-Semitism.
Speaker 13And I'm like, I don't even know what that means. That's not me. I don't even get it. It's retarded.
@malleusigThey're going to learn very quickly that when they make it impossible to be... Someone who's in the political middle, they kind of make the extremism inevitable. And unfortunately, that's a lesson. If they do have to learn it, I'm just going to stand by and let it happen because it has to happen.
Speaker 13I was literally about to go to bed and I actually got involved in a real conversation. I'm like, I'm going to stay up now. You'll be here a while.
@malleusigBut no, you're welcome to come and join us and talk anytime you want.
Speaker 13But I don't know how to find you tomorrow because somebody just sent me this on Facebook.
@malleusigWell, you follow me, I follow you. I think you're probably following me, right?
Speaker 13I don't know who I follow because I literally am so busy. I just...
@joann_marieWe are here every day at 6 p.m. PST, and we have various topics, mostly around Jewish supremacy, but we talk about a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 13So my entire thing is I just throw bombs out there. Okay, okay. Fair enough. That is the key of what's happening here, and it really owns everything. And it's like I happen to be... I live in the Truman Show. Mask-wearing dipshits vaccinating their kids wearing masks. It's horrific. If you live in the free world, God bless you.
Speaker 13Your consolation is that the people that get the, you know, the six or seven boosters are the ones having the strokes, so... Yeah, I know, but, like, I have family members or, you know, my husband's family members, and I'm like, I don't want that to happen, you know? It's like, how do I wake them up? Well, nobody wants it to happen.
@malleusigNobody wants it to happen, but...
Speaker 13I can't believe I haven't been in this conversation. I'm right there with you.
@malleusigI have families who get this shot, too, and they're idiots. I got a billion shots before 2020.
Speaker 13I totally believe that.
@malleusigTheir whole health went down into the dumpster. And they still don't believe it was because of the shot.
Speaker 13I was in the military and I was served overseas 12 years and I've got 8,000 shots. And I used to have night sweats and all this crazy stuff, but since I stopped taking shots, my health feels good. Yeah. And I figured out Operation Warpsy was bullshit. So I'm like, okay, it's weird. It's weird.
@malleusigI mean, the whole point of the medical industry has been to slowly poison us and to make it look like it was curative. That's it. The whole point. I mean, think about it this way. What's the safest way to kill somebody that you don't want to be around anymore? What's the legally safest way to do that?
Speaker 13Through health care.
@malleusigWell, I mean, I was going to use more broad terms, but the safest way to kill somebody you don't like is to pretend that they're going to die and then fail to save them. And that's what a lot of this, this whole COVID thing was basically that. The COVID thing was, right, it's like, well, we can't just like start killing people, but let's just, what if we all just all pretend that everyone's going to die anyway, unless we do something to save them and then...
@malleusigThe Injections, and the Red Deaths of Year.
Speaker 13But it's bigger than that. 1991 was when the WF did all the bullshit, when they're like, the global climate change bullshittery was starting, and that's when they started their plans. Like, okay, we're going to talk about climate change. Oh, no, no, for sure, for sure. Way before. I know, but that's like, that's when I graduated from college, and that's when I was at Navy, so it's like, I was resonating with that.
Speaker 13I was stationed in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, when... Haiti had all those issues. I didn't know what it meant. I was just like working there, you know, it was public works. And then they made us, we built the camps, the first camps for the Haitian refugees, which were then used to obviously, you know, do things that they shouldn't do.
Speaker 13It was disgusting. And it's like, but it's, it's, yeah, they've, it's divulgable.
@malleusigYou guys, and this is, but this is the point. This is what The Great Awakening is about. People think that The Great Awakening is going to be like everyone's third eye gets activated and suddenly we're all kind of like walking around half naked and singing. And it's not like that. The world sounds like an Enya album. It's not going to be like that.
@malleusigThe Great Awakening is literally awakening to things that you didn't realize existed before you woke up. Those things are not going to be pleasant. Right, and one of the things that we've had to wake up to, and sounds like you're definitely in the process of awakening too, is that our society, maybe even our world, is run by a small but concentrated pocket of absolute psychopaths that for some reason love to get together and, you know, practice being psychopaths by figuring out the most psychopathic things that they can do, and
@malleusigI don't think anyone's come up with anything more psychopathic than raping, killing, and eating babies, so that's where they spend most of their time these days.
Speaker 13Yes, thank you, sir. I am fully aware of all that disgusting, awful stuff.
@malleusigAnd the crazy thing is, there's only one place you can do it in the world where you're actually cheered on by your citizens, and that's Israel.
Speaker 13Yeah, for sure. And they own every politician. Every politician. And I am in the middle. I literally live in the swamp. I'm running for office because they made me. Literally, it's like I started a Moms for Liberty chapter because my kids were in school and I was like, what the hell's going on? I woke up in 2020 and all of a sudden the kids are out of school for a year and I get a survey that asks my racial bias and I'm like...
Speaker 13I don't know what that means. Why are you asking my racial bias? My kids are Greek. I have met my husband in Greece. He barely speaks English, or my ex-husband, anyhow. But I helped him immigrate here, so I have nothing against immigrants, but I understand the legal process. And suddenly, it's like, why are you asking my racial... Why can't my kids describe a child?
Speaker 13When they come home from school and it's like, well, who is it? They won't describe them from their color of their skin or whatever, where their parents live. Well, we don't ask that question. I'm like, what the hell? Our schools are dividing our kids. They're dividing our kids. Yeah, on purpose. And my kids, because I live here, my oldest, her best friend had two moms.
Speaker 13And in second grade, she was put on psych meds. And by high school, during COVID, she spent two years in a mental hospital. I've seen more of my kids' friends institutionalized and drugged, and I'm like, it's so ridiculous.
@malleusigAnd the crazy part is when you realize what the effect is, the effect is, and we can assume that when you have an effect, when the effect of an action becomes known and people keep doing the action, the effect now is intentional. That's the goal. The effect has been to harass one certain group of people to the point where they no longer reproduce.
@malleusigYeah, for sure. And then to encourage rampant and uncontrolled reproduction in other groups. And that's when you realize what the real game is. The whole game is to basically make less of us and more of them.
Speaker 13I am 100% agreeing. And I just signed up for OCIA. I was baptized Catholic, didn't go to church. I'm 56 years old. I'm an old person. And, you know, I understand some of it. You look good for 56. Well, that picture's 10 years old. I don't look that good. I don't have a media person. I'm ranklier. But at the end of the day, they've just been lying to us.
Speaker 13I'm an engineer. I find patterns. Really, the original conservative Catholic churches just looks at the Bible. They seem to be, that's the one pattern I've found, that the people that are strongest and more supportive are either Catholic or Christian for sure. You know, it's like, you know, just read the Bible and it's like, we have to fight off these demons that are trying to destroy Christianity.
Speaker 13That's it.
@malleusigYou know what the mistake of the Christians is, or the Catholics, whatever, is that we are supportive, we're empathic, but the problem is that we have gotten used to a society where we can afford to support everyone else. We can't anymore. We are going to have to move into a stance where we support each other and we allow everyone else to support themselves.
@malleusigIf we don't do that, there's going to be none of us left to support anyone else and the entire world is going to fall back into animalism.
Speaker 13Agreed. Whoever's listening here, all you need is a roof over your head and food to eat to survive. You don't need fancy cars. You don't need a big house. You just need a roof over your head and food to eat. And you can be strong and healthy. Right? People don't recognize that because everyone's worshipping money and bullshittery.
@malleusigIt's like... You know what I would... Can I put this forward for you, Fairfax? Sorry, Fairfax. More of your mom. The thing that we're missing most of all, and I say this because... I look at what makes Jews successful, and this is one of the things that is the largest part in their success, and I think we need to start emulating it again, is that we've allowed ourselves to be isolated from each other.
@malleusigIf you grew up, or you live in America, as a white, non-Jewish person, and I'll contrast this to Jews, Somalis, because they don't do this, Indians, they don't do this, right? Chinese, they don't do this, right? You are growing up and you are living in essentially this kind of isolated little bubble where you have your chair and your television set and your computer games and these things essentially wall you off from participation in group activities with other people like you.
@malleusigWe used to do some, we used to have these like society where we get together, you know, the guys would all get together at the front of the night, go to the bar and they all talk and you have a group of guys to talk to. Or you'd have mutual aid organizations where all the wives would get together and they would figure out who needs help this week and who can we help, you know, feed their kids and that kind of thing.
@malleusigWe stopped doing it. We stopped doing it because we won, right? Or we believe that we won. We believe that we were on the top of the pile. And the whole time... The rest of the pile was scheming amongst themselves to let us think that we were winning. And in reality, they were taking real power and real politic and sequestering it for themselves.
@malleusigAnd we need to start emulating that. We need to start thinking like a Somali and to a certain degree, right? We need to start thinking like a Hasidic Jew. These are the people that they don't even declare their marriages.
@malleusigpublicly. They keep them secret because they hold Hasidic law, Halakhic law, superior to United States law. They'll recognize a marriage in their own community, and then they'll stay single for public purposes so that the wife can claim welfare as a single mother. And they'll do that so they can milk the system and then produce 17 kids while doing nothing.
@malleusigNow, I'm not recommending we go that far. But did we just lose her?
@joann_marieYeah, she dropped and Big T wanted to talk to her. I think he also lives in the swamp.
@malleusigI'm sorry, guys. I'm monopolized. If she comes back, I'll stop talking. You guys can talk with her.
@joann_marieOkay.
@autofix4405Yeah.
@joann_marieThat was awesome, Rabbi.
@autofix4405I'm sorry. I think she's still in the space, but she dropped to listen to her. I just wanted to speak to her because, of course, she's local. and I wanted to see what she was running for. I think she said Congress. It was spotty for me and I just wanted to pick her brain and see. I recognized the areas that she was talking in.
@malleusigI just sent her an invite to come back up to the stage. Hopefully she can take it. It could be the H-1Bs are messing with her. She said she's had difficulties all day.
@joann_marieWell, in the meantime, we can go to a couple of new hands that hasn't spoken yet. The Last Battle, I'm pretty sure he worked in the documentary of Europa, The Last Battle, which is one of the greatest documentaries made of all time. So welcome. How are you?
@malleusigCheers. Thanks for having me back. Yeah, I was banned forever, so I'm happy to be back around here. But incredible space. So happy. I just jumped in here and that was an amazing conversation. I think if we can get her back to share her name, share her handle and the position she's running for, and then probably the group in here should be boosting her posts and just bringing some attention because she seems like an interesting person.
@malleusigWe should maybe dive deeper. But hey, so just jumping back, talking about heretics and heresy and all of those things I wanted to talk about. One of the biggest heresies, which is, you know, we have a lot of discussions on like, how do we move forward? So many people know what's going on. All of those things are true. And I can't help but see so many historical precedents to what's happening now.
@malleusigAnd, you know, once upon a time, there was a movement that took parts from the left, which was socialists, and part from the right, which was nationalists, and they combined those things. and they addressed many of the issues and there's a lot of misinformation around all of that but yeah I just wanted to put it into the group and kind of like see like where are people at with this is that like so toxic and and heretical that it can't be discussed or like do we bring like national socialism and some of the points that were like in the 1920s addressed um you know before things got crazy in a world war but
@malleusigI just wanted to kind of put that into the group and just see what people's impressions were. I actually hear the National Socialism question a lot, and I say no. The reason I say no is because National Socialism was a specific thing built for a specific people. That's not us. Built for the Germans. What I would support is American Socialism.
@malleusigAnd we can have a discussion about what that actually is, but I like it because it has the word American. and the word socialism which means that real americans are going to like the american part and crazy lefty blue-haired socialists are going to see the socialism part and they're going to say oh i like that and it's going to be a good way to get both of them on board and the good thing is no one ever looks at the fine print no one ever actually reads what the political party stands for they just look at the name so it's a really good compromise really good way to get people to kind of like come out from both ends and meet in the middle
@malleusigYeah, I think that's a great response, honestly. And I've been noticing that they run really hard with the word democratic socialism right now, right? And I think that what you just proposed is an interesting and calm counter to it. And the thing with socialism is it doesn't work if you have completely open borders. It implodes the entire system.
@malleusigAnd so I feel like the compromise on one side is like, you know on the socialist lefty side they have to agree like okay well there has to be a concept of nation and some limitation for the socialism part to work and then on the nationalist side the compromise is like okay yeah you know better health care and child care and schools is actually not that bad so maybe we join forces so yeah anyway just throwing some thoughts out there yeah no I think that anything we do to get people toward back to the center meeting in the center is a good thing
@malleusigbecause the drive for the past 10, 15 years has been very simple. It's been let's pack the extreme left and the extreme right with as many people as we can and then scare everyone out of the center. And the reason they do that is because you can't have a good fight without giving people enough running distance that they can get a really good, they can really get up to speed before they hit each other.
@malleusigYou know what I mean? People are in the center, they can talk. They can converse. They're not going to start shooting each other. But you put them on either end, and they can't hear each other. They can't talk. They can't resolve things peacefully. And it makes a war inevitable. Yeah, absolutely. And I think they're always calling us extremists, right?
@malleusigI've been called extreme right and extreme left. And sometimes I'm called that back-to-back post. And I'm like, okay, whatever. But at a certain point, it's like... Maybe we can recapture the center. They call everybody an extremist. At some point, we can drive our form of dialogue, like this guy Ryan with the Bolshevik thing.
@malleusigHe's blowing that up online. Bolsheviks literally coined the term anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is literally punishable by death in the Soviet Union. The more that we can push these narratives, I think we can diffuse these like magical trigger words that they try and put onto us and I think we can somewhat recapture the center and like at some point we need to be like clear on like what are these centrist policies like say we've say we like speak about like you know the quote unquote jq and like all this other crazy shit we got to deal with say we like are able to talk with that talk about that completely fearlessly you know and then that is like
@malleusigresolved in our minds is we have no fear but then what are the next bunch of points that we agree on and then like what is the movement around that and how do we like with followings and podcasts and all of these things begin to build the coalition like you know into the future there so cheers yeah yeah and the thing that you have to remember is that the average person in America does not think much farther than the theme song
@malleusigwhen they get into politics. They don't think very deeply at all. And so there's a lot of opportunity for things like, you know, well, we'll adopt communism, but we're going to adopt communism with American characteristics. And those American characteristics are capitalism, right? So it's like people don't play enough with these concepts.
@malleusigThey see other countries, like China does this, like with the characteristics thing. It'd be very easy to do in America because people just, it's so easy to get It's so easy to get women to believe shit, right? You just have to get on the right TV shows. People get The View talking about it, and everyone's like, yeah, it's lately awesome, and they're on board, right?
@malleusigIt doesn't matter if you're literally killing infants at this point. Women in America are proving that you can literally kill infants, and you will be fine as long as you phrase it the right way. And we need to start leveraging that. We need to start leveraging the American IQ. Unfortunately, for their own good, which is right now it's being leveraged to their detriment.
@malleusigThat's the only way. It's the only way to do it. Yeah, well, thanks for having me. Just one quick last statement and I'll pass it on here. Yeah, so early, early days, I was part of a group that was writing... Licensed applications for cannabis processing facilities in many different states all across the US, right? Chicago, New York, Colorado, Washington, everywhere.
@malleusigAnd it was ultra early days when all the legislation was moving. And I remember watching that process and it went from literally being a pariah for having anything to do with that industry to it being on the cover of Time Magazine in a couple of years. And I watched that momentum. Building. And it was like kind of wild to experience.
@malleusigAnd I'm just definitely feeling like a similar thing right now. It's like very interesting. And obviously, the timing of everything that's happening with inflation, etc. It's like pretty wild that the conversation is being had the way we're having it and in the time, you know, that we're facing what we are. But anyway, thanks for having me.
@malleusigIncredible space as always. And yeah.
@joann_marieThank you for coming up last night and nice to see you again. And guys, Ian wants to wind down. So let's do a speed round of hands and then we'll close it. All right. Target, you.
@targetinguWelcome. Go for it. Hi. Anyway, I was really enjoying that conversation. One of the things I wanted to say to Ian was I had discovered him about two years ago. One night I was kind of just flipping through spaces and I came across this space and I was like, I was just so like captivated by his, you know, intelligence on the Jewish, you know, supremacy.
@targetinguAnd what, you know, and it just came to me, you know, because my father, he actually, he had me much, much later in life, but he was actually in World War II. He was the only person that I've ever in my life talked bad about, well, not bad about the Jews, but I guess it was bad about the Jews, but it was Jewish supremacy.
@targetinguHe was like, they never tell you what they were doing to the Jews, I mean, the Germans, and they owned all the banks, they owned everything. And, you know, so I grew up listening to that. And so when I was in like in fifth grade, they were teaching, you know, social studies and they were like, um, The Hitler killed six million Jews, and I was like, what?
@targetinguI was just so blown away. I was like, how could my dad say? It was so confusing to me, but I believe they became a target. He had many brothers and sisters that were involved, and I believe they were Masons. One of them had 60 acres in Fairfax, Virginia, so that was kind of odd that she was speaking of that. That is a very highly infiltrated area that she's in running for Congress.
@targetinguSo heads up. And one of the... That is my backyard. Yeah, right. Yeah, he had 60 acres. So you know how much one acre, well, especially now, but even in the late, early 90s, he, you know, he had that many acres there. And it was like, you know, he was a multimillionaire, obviously. I was really captivated by listening to Ian talk about and just really trying to grasp everything he said and try to learn everything I could because it just seemed, you know, I never took it as he was being an anti-Semite or any of that, even though I'd never heard someone speak so openly about it.
@targetinguBut everything he said, it just grabbed me like... This is the truth. This is everything that we've never, we've always been lied to our whole life. And that's just how it just, it grabbed me that way. And it is probably because, you know, a lot of the things that I was discovering at that time was, I was, my eyes were opening to a lot of the truths, the Masons and the deep state and the trafficking and the...
@targetinguIt was like every day we're learning something new. It was traumatizing, to be honest with you. And I shared in the nest a billboard that I had actually seen the other day, and I was shocked. I was like, oh, my gosh. It literally said, you don't have to be Jewish to protect Jews. You just have to be Christian. And I was like, oh, my gosh.
@targetinguI mean, literally a billboard. And this is in Fort Walton, Florida. I cannot believe that they, and so I actually Googled it and got an image of it and put it in the nest. But this is all over, obviously, because this is for Colorado. I thought, this is definitely interesting. And, you know, we were talking about the fake reality.
@targetinguYou know, the fake reality is that, to be honest, we've had a fake sense of security. From, you know, that I think is the most shocking to everybody because we've always had this fake sense of security from, I guess, just from thinking that our government was there to protect us and, you know, no one's going to come in and do anything to us because, you know.
@targetinguWe knew we had our differences of Republican versus Democrat, that kind of thing, but it's actually a lot deeper than that. It's not even that anymore. We realize that it's just about evil and good now. I think that's what's the awakening that we're having is that we feel like our security is stripped from us. Maybe somebody else wants to explain that a little deeper.
@targetinguThe other thing that I wanted to say was, you know, Ian, do you think that with Charlie Kirk's death and the Owen, well, Candace Owens, you know, coming out and exposing all the Jewish supremacy, do you think that truth has helped you tremendously by leaps and bounds, and especially with what this is, you know, about what's happening there?
@targetinguAnd then, you know, we're talking about the bioweaponization of Kim Trails, and, you know, it goes a lot deeper than that. It's the directed energy weapons that seem so, you know, Star Wars that, you know, it's hard to believe that this type of thing's happening where they're actually attacking citizens with directed energy weapons.
@targetinguAnd so, you know, like I said, the false sense of security, the whole playbook, the MKUltra, Patsy, Maturian Candidate, you know, All that. I think it's just an overload for everything, I think. So I think I've covered everything. But I just wanted to spit it out there real fast. I appreciate it.
@malleusigSorry, I was just going to point out. I think you missed Adrenochrome, but outside of that, you've got everything.
@targetinguI was getting to that.
@autofix4405Hey, Rabbi, real quick, I just wanted to let you know the Fairfax mom lady, she... We were messaging back and forth. She said she can't access the space for some reason, but she wanted to let you know she was going to join the space if she can, but she wanted to let you guys know. So I just wanted to pass it on to you guys, man.
@malleusigSomeone doesn't want to talk to people, so let me DM her and see what's up.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and Rabbi, if she wants to do a space with us, we can definitely set something up and put it on the calendar, and JoAnn would, especially if she's running for office, regardless of whatever the position might be, it would be wonderful to support anybody that's out there, and target really quickly to that question.
Ian MalcolmSo a couple things. I do think, obviously, that the rising awareness to these, let's say, talk tracks by... Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, above and beyond that, as unfortunate as it was, of course, but what took place in Gaza, right? And all of these things, whether it's the Epstein files, there's this litany, Donald Trump going to war with Iran twice, if not far more, right?
Ian MalcolmBecause I feel like there was the 12-day war last year, and this year he goes to war, then he un-goes to war, then he goes back to war. LeVeille.
Ian Malcolmdoes not matter to me at all. What matters is that we're trying our best to make a difference. The thing that does frustrate me is, to your point, you mentioned the false sense of security. To me, it's the false sense of free speech that Elon Musk suggests that is offered on this platform. And we can't point to precisely what the linchpin is.
Ian MalcolmI can tell you that Nikita He had me blocked, then he unblocked me, then he mentioned online that he unblocked me when I was blocked, and then he unblocked me from the block, and then for a while I wasn't blocked, and now that he's no longer the head of product for X, well, I'm back to being blocked. I don't even know what it...
Ian MalcolmI actually, when he announced that he was stepping down, I even gave him a thank you because I always try to be... And this is for everybody, right? With this subject, if there's one thing we can always try to do, it's to be highbrow, and I guess if I'm going to add a second, To be highbrow and to be classy, right? It does not require anything to be a class act.
Ian MalcolmYou don't have to have an expensive watch or any of the other stuff. You don't have to have any pedigree or fancy education. Just be a classy person, right? Treat other people nicely. Try to rise above the fray. Try to conduct yourself the way that you would, let's say, be kind of awestruck if you saw others doing. That is something that we can always embody.
Ian MalcolmIt doesn't matter the size of our bank account and these other things. And so in that fashion, when Nikita stepped down, I said, look, we got our differences, but thank you for whatever it is, because at least I'm here and I'm on the app, right? And on this platform, we've obviously been able to make a massive difference.
Ian MalcolmI really believe that. The thing that is frustrating is not that... We don't get followers and likes and views. Again, I don't care. Like take all of the content and reshare it. I don't need credit for anything. I say this about all the things that we are doing. The thing that I do find frustrating is that we are doing a bang up job.
Ian MalcolmI really believe that. X obviously hinders and suppresses us. They then offer alternatives to the message that we are trying to share. And then those versions of the message, are for their benefit, right? So they are basically taking the energy that we are trying to create rather than allowing people to notice that we are the authors.
Ian MalcolmThey have it come out of a speaker. The speaker gives the half-truths while it redirects people towards other catalysts and problems and causes, right? And so what are we seeing? Well, people should be focused on the Jewish supremacy problem. What is Tommy Robinson doing or Robinstein? He's telling people to go, oh yeah, that Jewish thing, yeah.
Ian MalcolmLet's all get about the Muslims, right? And then you see the exact same thing about across every one of these other groups. They've got their infiltrators. They're now trying to share the message. And it is frustrating because a lot of the people that are trying to coerce and co-opt that message are the ones that a year ago were calling me the anti-Semite, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd they're now basically just offering a watered down version of our talk track. while rebranding themselves as really dedicated truthers around the Jewish supremacy issue, right? That is the thing that is frustrating is this mousetrap that they have built, right? They will never allow somebody like Truth Teller or David Nietzsche or Rabbi or JoAnn or Amiru.
Ian MalcolmAmir was just saying he keeps getting nuked over and over and over again, right? Which is the curious part because then you see these people that they have a viral video. and then they've got a half million followers right and then you look through the content you notice that a lot of it looks like bots right and so this whole system that is the thing that is the the frustrating aspect is that not that we won't ever get the kudos and the dollars because all that stuff it really doesn't matter right but that it we see the sophistication of their machine and how difficult it is to get the full truth out there so instead
Ian MalcolmWe, we, and this is why I was giving credit to Tucker Carlson, right? Even though obviously he's not going to speak as directly as we might on these issues. And perhaps he would never allow somebody like ourselves to go on his program because they know that we go full bore, right? But that, that is, it's kind of neither here nor there.
Ian MalcolmWe should still commend Candace and Tucker and these other folks because we throw the brick, like David Nietzsche would say, through the Overton window. We crash through it. [guest]-LeVeille,
Ian Malcolmand so then lo and behold you get some pretty big voices that start talking about these issues and we see where that narrative has gone right so they will forever keep moving the goalposts playing the games giving us their chosen heroes right and that old adage when the people need a hero we will provide them one and it'll be somebody that is controlled opposition that is just trying to slow down our progress that we can look at that as a setback but the truth is it's just a set up
Ian Malcolmto make us stronger and more sophisticated and more indifferent to the trappings of their narcissistic, vain, hedonistic, materialistic world. So instead we say we don't care. Oh, we don't have to father words, right? We should talk about that, but only in the sense that they are suppressing our content to demand that more people notice that we are suppressed because we're talking about the actual issue.
Ian MalcolmSo yes, all of these things are good things. Candace Owens talking about these subjects is a huge move for us. And then you get more people that are, you know, moderates that are going to start noticing these equations and these realities. But it is, as the last little thing, isn't it curious that Candace Owens has this big feud with Andrew Wilson, the cuck of all cucks.
Ian MalcolmFor anybody who hasn't watched Forbidden HQ's videos, they are un... Unbelievable. And the one that he did with Free Willy today, for anybody who hasn't seen it, it is one of the funniest things that I've ever seen. And oh, by the way, in there, he snuck in Adam Greenberg as a background character, which I thought was pretty funny.
Ian MalcolmHe also has me blocked. I wonder why that might be, right? Oh, the Christian, the CQ, all that nonsense, right? So, but along those lines... The thing that we should be optimistic about is that all of this is moving in the right direction on Candace Owens. I find it very curious that she had the big feud with Andrew Wilson and then turns around and now goes in and is defending this woman who murdered her kids and then jumped out a window.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say it because it's kind of like you did as a solid. That was awesome. Why are you now taking this position that makes you look like a fool? Because that just gives them ammunition. to discredit the thing that we're doing. So it's almost like I expect that Candace Owens will talk about Jewish supremacy one day, and then we'll once again, and she did this a year ago, host Harvey Weinstein.
Ian MalcolmLet's talk about how Harvey Weinstein was the victim. Oh no, Harvey, you pedo, terrible, you, yeah, you were really a victim out there, right? This looks suspect. And so again, I'm not making accusations of Candace Owens, but That is the thing that I wish is that we could get a real sincere critic, whether it was Truth Teller or David Nietzsche or anybody else that just goes full throttle on these issues and get them on a platform like Joe Rogan.
Ian MalcolmI think David Nietzsche would be our absolute best voice for what it's worth, right? Because he would go in, imagine if he sat down with Joe Rogan and he was across from him and he used all of his perfect... It's this interesting blend of charisma and empathy and intellect. And if he just laid out and said, Joe, I mean, look at this.
Ian MalcolmLook at the culture. Look at the medicine. Look at the waistlines. Look at the alcoholism. Look at the suicide. Look at the poverty. Look at what's happening. Now let's look at the culprit behind all of these cultural norms. and could walk through that in a very sophisticated fashion. I don't think anybody could do it better than David Nietzsche just because of the tone and the delivery.
Ian MalcolmObviously, truth teller, he is the end all be all. He's the final boss of the JQ truthers, right? But he has a delivery that is a sledgehammer. And I think David Nietzsche for the 50-year-old, the 40-year-old, the 15-year-old that is lost, If you could take some, and TruthTeller has some of the best ideas ever when it comes to living your life right.
Ian MalcolmLive it healthy, live it righteously. But David Nietzsche, in my opinion anyway, I've referred to him as the suave Mr. Feeney from Boy Meets World. Because I really do, I think that he's just, he's in a cardigan somewhere right now with Mrs. Nietzsche lovingly having a wonderful night. So lots of love to both of them. But whoever it is, long story short, if we could get somebody that was not
Ian MalcolmCompromise, that was not offering the half-truth, that just went balls to the wall, whether it was Nietzsche on the, let's say, the cultural aspect and kind of the ethics of it, or if it was truth-teller on the history and the geopolitics, either one of those people, I sincerely believe, could change the world if they were just given two hours.
Ian Malcolmof every person's attention. Undivided attention. No video games, no porn, no movies. Just listen to these guys for two hours talk about this at a macro level and we would change the world. That's what they fear, so we'll keep doing everything we can to support those lovely people. But yes, Target, the world is awakening to these realities because the Jewish supremacists are going for broke.
Ian MalcolmThey're trying to take all of the Middle East. They're trying to criminalize the act of speaking against them. They're trying to subvert and literally thieve The United States military, in addition to all of its finance, all of its money, all of its prosperity, all of its everything, they're going to take all the companies for what it's worth.
Ian MalcolmGuys, if you haven't noticed, their vision is to take the military, to integrate with the politicians to the point that they can pass laws so you can't criminalize, or I'm sorry, so you can criminalize the act of criticizing this machine. And then guess what they're going to do? They're going to take all the AI tech companies.
Ian MalcolmThey're going to relocate them all to Tel Aviv. And they're going to leave the data centers and the nuclear waste that is the byproduct of these monstrosities. And they're going to say, well, we'll just let those fat, floundering, sickly Americans deal with the off-put of all of the gas, the water, etc. They are going to thieve every last natural resource, take every last dollar, and monopolize all the control of the data centers.
Ian MalcolmThat's where this all goes. Sarah Cotter gets arrested because she tries to shut down the data centers. Guys, that's where we're going. Unless we talk about these issues and we make a difference. And we are. And we know that we are because the world's changing. So with that being said, what I would love to do, Jon, if you are still with us, I would love it if you have any kind of parting words, other thoughts on any of the nonsense that I just rambled through or the atrocity that your family had to endure.
Ian MalcolmWould love any kind of final words from you, and then we'll go up to JoAnn for some parting remarks. And then we will go to Mr. Rabbi [guest], if you would not mind, to give us a little bit of an audio send-off. But Jon, are you with us?
@ayoungstoicYeah, yeah, still here. Absolutely, yeah. Thank you so much for the whole space. It's been fantastic. I guess I'd just reiterate, if anybody who... We set up a website where we're going to be updating PaulLeVeille.com. And then if you want to catch a glimpse of David's Cat in the Hat speech, I think that's on our profiles as well.
@ayoungstoicBut yeah, thank you so much.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's my pleasure. And everybody, welcome. As always, the space thanks only to the unbelievable work done by allegedly Dank. This space, just like all others, not only here on X, it'll also be available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Rumble, and in Malcolm84.com. I cannot believe that we have a website that has all of this content where Mr.
Ian MalcolmDank has put together a archive. It is unbelievable. You can go and think about what this is going to mean. You can go to that site and you can type in phrases, subject matter, terms, speakers, and it'll not only pull up the list, right? Here's a space where they talked about Afghanistan or whatever it is, right? You can search through all that content, which on X, frankly, it's very, very, very difficult to do that, right?
Ian MalcolmIt's also, it's essentially free from censorship. Thank you so much for watching.
Ian MalcolmIt's under the Malcolm Spaces. It's one of the little items up here in the nest where he is taking, again, the same AI. He has basically taught it to say, go look at the space that we just held. Find information that is of interest. Turn it into a short form video. Put it on to X and as a reply to that video, add the exact space along with the link directly to the part of the space where that is discussed.
Ian Malcolmand that AI is running in the background constantly just scouring and scanning on a little routine so that every day it's got two or three of those little short form videos. Some of them have got tens of thousands of views on an account that's got 300 followers, right? And so that is a wonderful little thing that we can use.
Ian MalcolmSend that around to your friends, your family, give it a little follow, right? And support and give some thanks, whether it's emotional, moral, or just say a prayer. and say thank you for people like allegedly Dank that are out there trying to make the world a better place for their family, their friends, their children, right?
Ian MalcolmSo speaking of which, that is how we are going to win. We will continue doing these spaces. Just like JoAnn said, we will try to hold them. We've got them scheduled out all the way to the end of October now, which is just mind blowing to me. We have the Monday through Thursday, 6 p.m. PST. We will do them. Every day, every way that we can, trying to bring all of these things that are important to you.
Ian MalcolmBut certainly, if anybody's listening and there's something that you want to share, if there's an angle that you believe we have not explored, send me a message. I do not care about your follower size, the familiarity that you have with the story. If you want to share something, just let us know. We will always host anybody and everybody.
Ian MalcolmAnd so with that being said, I saw that Amiru tossed his hand up. Why don't we go... Actually, Michael did as well. So why don't we do 30 seconds with Michael, 30 seconds with Amiru, then we will go up to JoAnn for some parting words, and then we will go to Mr. Rabbi [guest] for that outro.
@iqviajq2Thanks, man. I'll try to be quick here, but great stuff, all of you. Rabbi, the way you handled Fairfax, I think her name was, was brilliant, and if we can have a space with her, that would be really good. If she's the real deal, then we have another powerful ally, but... You talked about David Nietzsche in a cardigan and I just found that hilarious because I know that's probably true.
@iqviajq2But you know, we have to be kind of grateful that we have basically this philosopher king prophesized by the ancient Greeks that we call David Nietzsche around. And the first thing we should do is go to Ian's space and put everything that David Nietzsche has said in a folder just so that you have that. But I just checked out the website and it looks really cool.
@iqviajq2What a wonderful way to compile everything. I wonder if people will make articles referencing things that people have said here. I can see it happening, because if Jewish supremacy was popularized here, then who better than David to make the argument so pristine, so good at what he does. Really, we should all strive to be like him, our own version of it, with our own personality, but with that precision.
@iqviajq2That's not a personality trait, that's skill, that's... It's impressive. And everyone respects it. You can't help it. But congrats on the website, man. I'm happy for you. It's a good thing. Oh, and rest in peace, Nick Bogost, the creator of the Jew meme, the Happy Merchant meme, died recently at 71. And the ADL has a page dedicated to the Happy Merchant.
@iqviajq2And I kid you not, they proposed a new Happy Merchant meme where it looks less Jew-y and less stereotypical. Like, here, Goyim, you can use this one instead. These people, they're ridiculous. But, you know, even in death, there's nothing they can do. He has this one picture, just holding a mirror to them, like, this is what you are, and it's accurate, and they can do nothing about it.
@iqviajq2Even in his grave, he's destroying the Jews. So we got David Nietzsche. Rest in peace, Nick. And have a good one, everybody.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, Amiru. And, you know, the wild piece, so what you just said there... It reminds me, I often will reference, and I'm so disappointed. They took away my that I used to use from Gladiator when they went through, and I don't know exactly what the technical issue was, but I know that X axed a whole lot of the access that they had to a big GIF library.
Ian MalcolmAnd so the Strength and Honor with Russell Crowe, they've kind of nuked that from the little repertoire. But I bring it up because He has the line, what we do in life echoes in eternity. And it's a spectacular phrase. And that movie, I think, it's wild to watch. Go back and watch that film if you folks haven't seen it in a long time.
Ian MalcolmIt is unbelievable to see something from that era before everything had to be antagonistic towards essentially everybody. It was about a truly... Masculine, Heroic Individual, that basically said, I value the others more than myself. I just want to serve for the benefit of the greater good, right? It's a spectacular, spectacular film.
Ian MalcolmBut that's the thing. What we do in life, it does. That cartoon will echo in eternity. That guy, it doesn't matter if he's been gone for a day or for a century, right? That will sit there in the annals of time. It'll be there in the background, just bothersome to this group that has all the power and all the money. They don't have that cartoon.
Ian MalcolmThey can't get rid of it. It is engraved, right? It's etched in stone in everybody. And so too are the conversations that we're having, right? We're changing the world our little way that we can. And there is a piece, I don't doubt that there's a future. And wouldn't it be wonderful? Grok and X, of course, would completely sabotage it.
Ian MalcolmImagine if we had an AI bot. Right, because Dank's doing all this incredible stuff. Imagine, and what is the Andrew Torba's, what is his, what's his social media platform? It's escaping me at the moment. Somebody chime in, help me out here. Torba's, he's got his social media network. Gab. Gab, there you go. And he had the Gab bot for a second.
Ian MalcolmAnd if anybody remembers, the Gab bot on X was wonderful. because you can ask Grok a question. Hey, Grok, do the Jews own the media? No, that's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Hey, GabBot, do the Jews control the media? Abso-freaking-lutely, right? It would just come in like a nuclear bomb. And I bring it up because how cool would it be if in a not-so-distant future, we were able to have a bot that would reference that website.
Ian MalcolmSo you ask it a question, it cross-references all the data that's available on this website where all of these conversations are being housed. and it's able to go in. Imagine if it had all the truth tellers faces for what it's worth, right? It could go in and so when somebody says, well, the Bolsheviks weren't Jewish, you could just say, hey, truth teller bot, can you tell this guy is an idiot?
Ian MalcolmAnd it would just scan all of the things that truth knows that have been logged somewhere in audio format and it could just respond to them, right? These are the kind of things that we need to do to keep just chiseling away at the narrative. Now, I wouldn't actually recommend spending the time to do what I just suggested
Ian Malcolmbecause X would just nuke the handle, right? They would get rid of it. But that tells us how powerful this is, right? That what we're doing. And so maybe a bot, maybe they'll just say, sorry, you're cheating the algorithm by doing it this way. We're going to nuke the handle. But it doesn't mean that we can't all do that collectively, right?
Ian MalcolmNow, again, I'm not suggesting to rig any of the algorithms, but rather to learn that which TruthTeller shares, that David Nietzsche shares, or Amiru shares, right? Try to keep as much as you can So that when you see something, you can push back on it. Speaking of which, I actually put up a post into the nest. This goes to show how insane this has become.
Ian MalcolmStealth Medical, who had a conniption in a prior space where she was going crazy. We're so unpopular. Nobody likes us anymore. She had this complete meltdown. Stealth Medical has said Jeffrey Epstein was a KGB asset. He isn't Jewish and that's not his real name, right? Will Rep Luna release the Chinese, Russian, Qatari, and Saudi KGB Epstein real name files?
Ian MalcolmThank you for your attention to this matter. Now, I don't know what this person is trying to suggest here because it's so crazy. If it's, well, it's not sarcasm, or at least I would presume not because Stealth Medical is just a shill and a cock for Israel and for Jewish supremacy, right? But look at that note. Like that is a ridiculous post to make so much so that when somebody shared it in one of these little group chats, I was like, oh, that's kind of, this person's serious.
Ian MalcolmOkay, right? This is what we have done. We have dismantled this entire system where all of the propaganda, all of the obfuscation, all of the lies, we're just able to shoot it down like a balloon, right? It's just so easy at this point. And so we need to just keep pushing back on these narratives, just like I was suggesting before.
Ian MalcolmLearn anything and everything you can from Truth Teller and David and Rabbi and JoAnn and so many other people. Listen to Amiro. Listen to him talk about the PFC. I've learned more from him. In all sincerity, I've learned more from him about this piece of the brain than any other network or person or documentary or anything.
Ian MalcolmHe's shared ideas and I've locked them in my brain and some I agree with, some I don't. But either way, I know things. So try to just learn as best you can. Just keep pushing back on the system and recognize that Rome wasn't built in a day. That brick by brick by brick by brick and we are all bricks. We're all doing our part.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's the thing that makes this essentially what will echo in eternity. We have a choice. We can either shill and cook for the machine. Jeffrey Epstein was definitely a Chinese spy. His name was actually Jeffrey Yang. He was a Chinese spy. No, you're ridiculous, self-medical. Go cry about how everybody started to dislike Israel because, oh, I don't know, they conducted a genocide.
Ian MalcolmThey're trying to steal our military and they're going to war with everybody. Tell us how you're the victim and we should all be really grateful. Like, no. So we need to just keep pushing back as best we can. We're making a sincere difference, which is why they are panicking, which is why they want to pass this legislation criminalizing our conversations.
Ian MalcolmThey might even try to do it in all sincerity. But if they do, it's just going to expose the system and then you'll have people out in the streets. And Matt, I really believe that. That option, I think, is off the table for them. I really do. Because nothing would more concretely be a nail in the coffin of the accuracy of what we're suggesting than that move.
Ian MalcolmSo let them try to do all the crazy things. We will keep pushing back with truth and honesty. We will keep sharing conversations that try to move the needle. This one, absolutely wild. Again, feel free to go back and listen to the playback. So the problem is I've been traveling around for about three years in my truck.
Ian MalcolmI gave up on society. And...
Speaker 12Talking to people, people that are conservative, that you think would be conservative, they are totally fucking brainwashed. So the problem is there's a lot of people against the truth. So good luck.
Ian MalcolmThat is just kind of demotivating. It's demoralizing. I don't know what the intent is.
Speaker 12I want to be... I want to be... I don't want to be pessimistic, but I mean, there's so many people. I'm just, society on its own is just so demoralizing. When I go work for people and stuff like that, hey, I'm not a retard. Well, I am a retard. But I am pretty much done with society, because if you actually get out there, I don't know where...
Speaker 12Your Background Is, and stuff like that. But if you actually talk to people, work with people, and it's just like, are you fucking an NPC? I guarantee you, like, 80% of society is NPCs. Guaranteed.
Ian MalcolmI would agree. There are a lot of dumb people, first and foremost. That's the unfortunate reality of the world that we find ourselves in. People today, for what it's worth, The youth today, in some ways, are way smarter than the prior generation. In others, they are completely lost, right? Generations have basically gotten, I hate to use the term dumb, but the generations have been dumbed down generation over generation over generation to the point where I would be surprised if most high schoolers could even name the vice president of the United States, like in all sincerity, right?
Ian MalcolmIn fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a third of adults are incapable of doing that, right?
Speaker 12I wish I couldn't. I really wish I couldn't name the Vice President of the United States because this is a fucking clown show.
Ian MalcolmIt is. And to be honest with you, the political side, I don't think it's a big deal if people don't know who the Vice President of the United States is. The big deal is that people are so, let's say, They are so spun up about politics and yet they know nothing about it. That's maybe the right way to think about this. People are so angry about an issue, but they have no idea who's making the decisions.
Ian MalcolmHow do they make those decisions? What is the process to have the decisions implemented? They don't know any of these things. They're just screaming in the wind. They're screaming in the rain. They're not getting anything accomplished because most of them don't even notice the commonality behind the problems to begin with.
Ian MalcolmThat's all by design. But that, again, I don't think that's actually the biggest problem. I think the biggest problem that we have is not the intellect. It's the cultural subversion that results in the loss of intellect. It's the fact that nobody reads anymore. Nobody thinks anymore. And AI is only going to make this way worse.
Ian MalcolmFor anybody that didn't see the clip of essentially Sam Altman talking about how he sees. This is insane. He envisions a future. in which AI basically becomes a subscription service in which they have so dumbed people down that they have to pay for it because they don't know how to think anymore because they let the robots do it for them.
Ian MalcolmSo now the AI tells you what you should be eating, where you should be going, who you should be loving, what you should think about the past and the present, what you should want for your future, right? What system could better benefit from that than the Jewish supremacists? They've now got, in that future, they control literally your thoughts.
Ian MalcolmAnd how do they get there? By dumbing you down to the point that you're dependent upon it. So think about it this way. How many of you, if you really had to, envision a place that you might go to once a year, what would happen if you took away your cell phone? You didn't have the GPS and the navigation on it. How would you get there?
Ian MalcolmWhat if I gave you a map, a physical map, a book, that you had to use to do it? Would you struggle? Probably a lot of people would. So think of how we have all been dumbed down with access to GPS. We don't know the names of the roads anymore. We just got to drive where the little blue arrow tells you to go. Now, imagine the exact same result of that type of atrophy of your mind because of AI.
Speaker 15Hey, AI, what should I eat for breakfast? What is the good thing to think about the Holocaust?
Ian MalcolmYou can see. It is forever perpetual indoctrination to the point they don't even have to indoctrinate you anymore because you will live your entire life dependent upon the AI system. So you will have a subscription service in which you have to have it because otherwise you're not going to be competent enough to get around whatever dystopia hellhole you live in.
Ian MalcolmAnd guess what is also going to happen? Oh, I'm sorry. You can only afford the tin version of our AI subscription. Steinbergowitz over here gets the platinum version, right? So what's going to happen? It's going to be the AI version 7, the version 6 million for the Jews. Sorry, kids, you guys get AI version 3. It's not very good.
Ian MalcolmIt's going to actually tell you to eat things that'll make you sicker, to think things about the past that are completely wrong, right? To demoralize yourself. This is where it's all going. And so we've got to... We've got to recognize that that is the inevitable future unless, again, we fix it in the present, which is why, yes, we can be demoralized by the culture, by the media, by the lack of intellect of so many people.
Ian MalcolmBut we can also look around and we can say, you know what? There's a whole lot of young kids that are coming up, that are starting to note these truths, that are talking about them directly, that are changing their communities. And that's the piece. Austin Franco, that we talked to with Rabbi [guest], he floored me. He was so well-spoken.
Ian MalcolmSame thing with Doomer Matt, right? These are young men. Imagine what the world will be like if this generation of Zoomers and Gen Alpha, if they grow up listening to people like those two young men, right? The world is our oyster. We've just got to seize the moment, seize the day, recognize there's got a lot of lost souls, right?
Ian MalcolmBut the truth of the matter is if we find, let's say the... What is it? The diamond in the... What is it? Something in the straw, right? JoAnn, help me out here. The something in the straw. What's the analogy?
@joann_marieThe needle in the haystack.
Ian MalcolmThere you go. The something in the straw. Yeah, we're going to find the needle in the straw. Haystack, right? We're going to find the people that are smart enough to remember that reference because I'm not it, right? We'll find those people. We'll build... A beautiful movement. And in that movement, we will be able to then essentially attract those that are intelligent and to build up excitement amongst those that maybe aren't smart enough to understand all the ins and outs of these things, but they know that they want to be free.
Ian MalcolmThey know they don't want to be lorded over. And they'll also note that, hey, you know what? Those people that are speaking these truths, they're also taking care of their mind, their body, their soul. They're connected to the ether. They're fit. Maybe I should ask you about their diet and all these other things. And then we can slowly lure them away, even if it's not with truths about Jewish supremacy, but rather us just living lives that they wish they were living.
Ian MalcolmAnd that's what happens when you live in truth. You get off the couch. You stop watching Netflix. You stop eating all the sugary junk foods. You lose the weight. You lose the mind fog. And then we become the people they want to be. So that's how we build something that is going to be inspirational and aspirational for for the others.
Ian MalcolmSo find the needles in the haystack, right? We will all be them. But with that being said, thank you so much for the commentary. Let's go to Miss JoAnn for a little bit of just a preview of what we got the next couple of days. And then, like I said, we will go to Mr. [guest] for a song to exit the space here.
@joann_marieHi Ian, excellent space and I missed you so much this weekend. I was like having Ian Malcolm withdraw. And we have an amazing week coming up. Tomorrow we have Follow the White Rabbit, Citizen Power and Keeping Score with Resist Rabbit and then... On August 26th, we have Stake Your Turf with Karen, which I love. And I always get super overwhelmed in her spaces because she just has like so much information.
@joann_marieAnd they are awesome. So you guys cannot miss it. And then on Thursday, we have the Jewish Indian Alliance with InfoMaden. And it's going to be awesome because that's such a crazy-ass topic. No, and Ian, when you were saying about David and Truth, and I always daydream, like, I seriously daydream, like, multiple times today, that you and Truth and David and also Rabbi and Godfrey, like, all of you guys, like, had, were public and were, like, debating, because I always watch those, like, um...
@joann_marieone person versus ten and stuff like that and they can like if you guys were there it would just be absolute like all of those debate programs will literally melt down because of how brilliant you guys are and I don't know like it's almost three years of me being with you guys and it's just inspiring every single day and for Michael who was like black peeling dude you need to
@joann_marieI don't know, like, go out, there is, like, really, really cool people out there. Trauma Stones, who is there, like, in the speakers, he had, like, a t-shirt that said, like, Goyslop, and he just, like, went to, like, a little store or something, and the guy was like, yes, I know that, and he was like, yes, I'll give you discounts and stuff like that.
@joann_marieI don't know, I can't remember the entire story, but it was, like, a good story. Do you want to say it really quick? It was so good that he showed me a Forbidden HQ video right away, and then I found out that they were a Christian Orthodox... Like firearms story. And they were just the most hospitable, lovely, knowledgeable gentlemen.
@joann_marieAnd I proceeded to hang out with them for like two hours. And this was just a normal interaction in my local area. And as I was saying earlier, I live in a highly concentrated area of Jewish supremacy. So that to me, yeah, that... That was a counter black pill to me. That was the white pill I needed to see. And it's happened.
@joann_marieI'll tell you more about it later, JoAnn, but there's been more incidents lately. See? This is the white pills that I'm talking about. And I have them all the time. And maybe it's because I'm in Mexico. People are not as propagandized as they are in America. We don't have a single Holocaust museum here. So it's like we don't have that propaganda.
@joann_marieSo I have white pills all over and over and over. But I hear a lot of people in America that actually go out and meet really cool people. And yeah, I'm just so blessed to be in this community with you guys. And I love it. And hopefully I'll see you all in True Teller space later tonight. And yeah, excellent space, Ian.
@joann_marieSo thank you so much. And God bless you all.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And a massive shout out for Mr. True Teller. Please make sure everybody, if you are up at it and interested, let's say, In continuing this discourse, there's nobody better to do that with than Mr. Truth Teller. I have learned, like I said, I've learned more from Amiru on the PFC than I have anywhere else combined.
Ian MalcolmI think it's safe to say I've probably learned more about the history of Jewish supremacy than Truth Teller than the entire world combined. There is nobody who knows the subject as in and out as he does when it comes to the geopolitics, the finance, the military aspects of this. So certainly tune in and certainly tune on for some of the brilliance that he has, not just for what it's worth with the spaces on.
Ian MalcolmI know he's doing a lot on the Iran updates and kind of the geopolitical front. He also does his health spaces on Sundays for subscribers. And I say that just because people every now and then ask, oh, do you have a thing I can subscribe to or what? I don't have any of that, right? If you want to contribute towards the things that we're doing here on our spaces with JoAnn and I,
Ian Malcolmand all the wonderful guests that we bring. Feel free to redirect that towards either Truth Teller or any of the other people that are in this cause just trying to make a difference, right? And then have that as an option, right? We're all in this essentially together, right? Where the rising tide raises all ships. Speaking of, I also wanted to give a quick little shout out to Debbie who made the absolutely accurate comment.
Ian MalcolmThe diamond in the rough, right? It wasn't the diamond in the haystack. or the something in the straw. It was the diamond in the rough or the needle in the haystack, right? But lots of love to Debbie for calling that out. Thank you so much. Lots of love to all of you for being here. As always, certainly good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you might be across this beautiful world.
Ian MalcolmCertainly God bless for everything that you are. Godspeed. We are going to continue winning and exposing the truths. and bringing attention to that which is needed to make the world a better place for those that need it most, which are those that are going to follow us, right? So just keep being selfless. And I know that that might sound, I suppose, selfish of me to suggest to others.
Ian MalcolmI try to do that with my time on this application and really do. I just want to make the world as better a place as I can, as the King of Pop said, for you and for me and the entire human race. That man, he was a special, special, special individual. And there are lots of people out there. I want to give actually a shout out.
Ian MalcolmI never thought I'd say this one. Speaking of entertainers, I want to give a shout out to Mark Ruffalo. And yes, Mark Ruffalo has been a Jewish supremacist. And he has said all kinds of things in the past subservient to this machine. But he made a post for anybody that hasn't seen it. It's got like 20 million views or something.
Ian MalcolmHe made a post. Not about Jewish supremacy. He's not there yet. But he made a post about how criticizing Israel and the government is not antisemitism. And that he should be able to criticize a government, especially one that's trying to merge its military with that of the United States. And he made this long, long, long post.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think I shared if I'm not mistaken. But the reason that I bring it up is because you know what's going to happen? The Jewish supremacists are going to attack him and they're going to demonstrate the very root of this problem because they're basically going to say, you're not allowed to do that. And he's going to say, allowed to do what?
Ian MalcolmI'm criticizing a foreign government. And they're going to say, well, I'm sorry, Mr. Ruffalo. I don't know if you can play the Incredible Hulk anymore. And now all of a sudden, Mr. Mark Ruffalo is going to recognize the extent of this problem. And so guess what's going to happen? Other people that might have prominent accounts are going to see that reality.
Ian MalcolmAnd in the past, I think they were able to shut people down. I really do. There was enough power and enough ignorance to this issue that they could get away with it. And now instead, Mark Ruffalo makes this comment and John Cusack, another actor from, I think it was Say Anything was the name of the movie, right? John Cusack said that he seconded essentially the statement from Mark Ruffalo.
Ian MalcolmSo you got two, prominent Hollywood actors. Guess what's going to happen when you've got 25 of them, right? Guess what's going to happen when half of Hollywood is like, I'm sorry, but Israel, this is ridiculous, right? This is how we win. We continue talking about these issues, bringing attention to this. And so again, despite having been a Jewish supremacist in the past, kudos to Mark Ruffalo.
Ian MalcolmI hope he's sincere. I hope he does not cower in the face of all the pressure that I'm sure he's going to get. And if more Hollywood actors, More individuals with big bank accounts. If Elon Musk, who shared that comment from Russell Brand, which, man, it was fun. I think it got something like 150,000 or 300,000 or whatever the number was, views because I shared on Russell Brand's comment about the Bolsheviks.
Ian MalcolmI shared the little thread that we made like three years ago on the history of Bolshevism. It got all these views, right? And Elon Musk shared that comment from Russell Brand. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 12Can I comment?
Speaker 3Did he get out?
Speaker 12Yeah.
Speaker 3Oh, no. His rant was going amazing. Okay, let me message him.
@iqviajq2It was going good, yeah.
Speaker 12Can I comment? Anybody? Sure. So my thing about all of them, Russell Brand, you see pictures with him and Katy Perry with Justin Bieber. These people molested kids. You don't get popular in Hollywood unless you don't do that. They're all sick. They are all sick. So I can barely watch movies anymore. I have to watch movies from back in the 80s and stuff.
Speaker 12That's the only way I can watch it because all these people are sick.
@joann_marieThey did that in the 80s as well. Like it has always been. I know. I know.
Speaker 12Yes. So I don't really watch very many movies is what I'm saying. I watched movies maybe once or twice.
@joann_marieHold on, Michael. Okay, so Ian is having connection issues. I don't think we're going to have him back. But guys, again, please repost this space. Follow Ian and Rabbi and Jon and IQ and everyone. And see you guys at Truth Teller. And thank you everybody so much for joining us. And Rabbi, I'm so sorry that we couldn't play your song.
@joann_marieI love your song.
Ian MalcolmIt's not a big deal.
@joann_marieHold on. I think Ian is back.
Ian MalcolmDid you save it? I couldn't hear anything. I just had to close.
Speaker 12When you support all these people that do music and movies and shit and they're sick as fuck and you sit there and watch their movies, you're part of the problem.
@joann_marieYeah, thank you so much for that, Michael. It's horrific what's happening in Hollywood, but I mean, people are talking finally about it, so that maybe we can stop that shit. So, thank you.
@iqviajq2Yeah, I don't know if you're still there, but I was just going to say, only the Jews are arrogant enough to anger the Hulk and think it's going to go well.
Ian MalcolmIn a small little microcosm, it's like when they come into Truth or Space and... Bruce Banner, that is normal truth teller, becomes the Hulk, which is enraged truth teller, and they all just get Hulk smashed. It's very funny. So yeah, I don't see this going well. But Rabbi, do you have a tune for us or no?
@malleusigSure, sure. You want to play something?
Ian MalcolmDon't mean to be anticlimactic. I might be away, if I'm not mistaken. And so with that, just in final words, I see lots of friends down in the listener panel. As always, we'll recommend everybody to join Mr. Truthteller's space when it opens up. In the interim, in case I don't see you, we do have that space tomorrow that JoAnn mentioned earlier.
Ian MalcolmI look to see all of you there. I hope to have that. And between now and then, just wish everybody certainly the best of days. God bless. Godspeed. We will see you in the next one.