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- 0:00America First: Defining the MovementHost Ian Malcolm introduces the topic of America First, setting the stage for a deep dive into its meaning and implications.
- 11:39Dane's Political Journey and America FirstDane Chisholm shares his background, military service, and entry into local and national politics, aligning with America First principles.
- 20:08America First: Brand vs. SentimentDane distinguishes between Nick Fuentes' 'America First' brand and the broader 'America First' sentiment, sparking debate.
- 30:08Massey's Defeat: Foreign InfluenceThe discussion turns to Thomas Massey's election loss, highlighting the role of foreign money and special interests.
- 50:04Flaws and Fixes for America FirstDane outlines critical flaws within the America First movement and proposes solutions for broader appeal and effectiveness.
- 1:39:53The Power of the AwakeningDavid Nietzsche passionately argues that the current political climate represents an unstoppable 'awakening' against established powers.
- 2:02:58Jewish Supremacy and Political ControlSpeakers discuss the open admission of Jewish money influencing elections and the implications for American sovereignty.
- 2:21:18Community and Parallel InstitutionsThe importance of building local communities and parallel institutions is emphasized as a strategy for resistance.
- 2:51:46Christian Nationalism and America FirstThe conversation delves into the role of Christian nationalism in the America First movement and its potential for societal change.
- 3:19:44The Incremental Fight: Lessons from ABAA speaker draws parallels between behavior modification therapy and the slow, incremental progress needed to combat systemic issues.
- 3:53:08Resisting Demoralization: Local ActionYankee urges listeners to resist demoralization by engaging in local politics and building real-world coalitions.
- 4:03:10Redefining America: The New ZeitgeistIan Malcolm concludes by asserting that the America First movement is redefining American identity and challenging the existing power structures.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmLet's get the one and only Miss Joanne up here. And we will play our favorite game of the day as we figure out if Joanne can name that tune. I see we got Tom up here. Let's give Joanne just a moment. And there we go. All right. So, Joanne, I want you to know. I specifically selected this song just for you. And I'm curious if you can name this song, perhaps name the artist that performed it.
Ian MalcolmAnd can you pick the reason that not only is this the theme song for this space, but also why did I specifically pick it for you?
@joann_marieI've never heard this song again. I've never heard this song. I'm like the worst at this. I'm so bad. No, but it was only in America. I was like listening to the lyrics.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And this is why I love this game with Joanne. So first and foremost, and then we will go over to Dane to see if he can name that tune and the artist behind it. But real quick before we do. Joanne, the reason that I brought that one up, it talks about he came out here to be an actor. She was the singer in a band.
Ian MalcolmAnd I thought of the artist that is Joanne. And so I thought that one, when I was looking for something, I was like, this is going to be just perfect. And as always, so everybody, make sure you give a big follow to Joanne, the hostess with the mostest. We've also got up here, Dane. We're going to be very interested to get some of his thoughts on the world.
Ian MalcolmAnd what a better time to do so, right? Because obviously the idea of this space around America first, and I know that that's a touchy subject these days. And when I named the space defining America first, not necessarily a shot across the bow at any group of people or any commentators, especially a very noteworthy one, but rather because-
Ian MalcolmIt was prominently displayed right on Dane's hat. And as we were going into the election of Thomas Massey, who certainly I would say puts America first, it felt like a very fitting subject to try and unpack. So we'll be talking about what exactly does America first mean to him? What does it mean to patriots? What should it mean?
Ian MalcolmHow do we see that playing out? And then how does that as a result manifest itself in both? the figurative movement that is putting America first instead of all these special interests, these foreign wars and these global bankers. But also how does that prospectively try to band together? Because we see all of the infighting and we certainly can't put America first if instead we're putting our egos, our renditions of a movement or our selfish interests ahead of the country, right?
Ian MalcolmWe need to all band together, figure out how to put some of the other silly squabbling aside. And so what we will do, we will go in, we will get an introduction from Dane. We will get some of his background, some of the things that got him motivated into politics. We'll hear a little bit about some of the rather big platforms that he has been on.
Ian MalcolmI saw Jake Shields, if I'm not mistaken, a whole bunch of other folks. So it'll be interesting to get his thoughts on all those things. Also a big shout out to Tom, who I see jumped up here. We'll also check in with him. But feel free, if you would like to request a mic, certainly come up. What we'll probably do, as we almost always do,
Ian Malcolmis about a 45 to 60 minute dialogue, primarily focusing on some of the thoughts and the ideas that our guest speaker Dane has on the world. And then we will certainly open it up to anybody and everybody. And I also do want to give a big shout out. I know this is maybe a little bit strange, but speaking of putting cause over self, I also want to give a big shout out to Diligent Denison.
Ian MalcolmHe is doing an epic space right now talking about the Massey election. the role that foreign governments and foreign interests have played in the donor class, if you will, that ultimately defeated Thomas Massey. And as part of his panel, he also has Sam Parker, who has done an unbelievable breakdown on what transpired and the machine that is powering this outcome.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's not just the money. It's not just APAC. It's not just the media. is all of the mechanisms by which they have gotten out the vote by getting into the mind of each and every one of the citizens, prospectively voting. And I say prospectively because it is very curious that the tally by which Massey's competitor basically edged him out just also happens to be, if I understand this correctly, the tally of mail-in ballots that came in last minute.
Ian MalcolmWhat a wild coincidence that is. But nonetheless, so we'll be going into all of that. We will also do that Q&A. Anybody is welcome, of course, to come up, bring your comments, your questions, bring your positivity, or bring your angst. If you think anything that you hear up here is out of alignment with what you see in the world, certainly bring that.
Ian MalcolmWe welcome all both critiques and compliments. And as we always try to do, we will value the free speech of anybody and everybody, as long as they don't advocate for death of myself or anybody else that is on the panel. And I say that because not only did I get one of those just, I guess, at this point, five days ago, but intelligence room yesterday, somebody threatened both his life and I wasn't even in the room.
Ian MalcolmAnd the guy decided that I'm also going to be attacked by this whack job. Just a wild world we find ourselves in. But bring all of your other critiques up, anything that you think we have said that is crazy. or outside of the accurate, certainly come up here and let us know. So with that being said, let's really quickly check in with the co-hosts, with the mostest, Ms. Joanne.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we'll go to Dane for that introduction and also his thoughts on the song that we kicked off the space with, if he's got any.
@joann_marieIan, thank you so much for hosting. And Dane, nice to meet you. And thank you so much for being here. And guys. Everybody, please repost this space and follow Ian and Dane. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And no, I'm just really happy to be here. And I'm going to listen to the song after the space because I never heard it.
@joann_marieAnd I love that you picked that. So thank you, Ian. You're awesome.
Ian MalcolmNo, of course.
@joann_marieNo, that's it.
Ian MalcolmThank you. Fair enough. Well, Dane, so over to you. First and foremost, since Joanne could not name that tune, any thoughts on the introductory track? and the relevance for the space, of course.
@deepdiverdaneWell, I appreciate you having me on. To be honest, I didn't really catch the tune. I heard it was a country tune, but I was out in the kitchen getting some things set up, so I couldn't transparently tell you what song it was. Fair enough.
Ian MalcolmFor anybody listening, please put it down in the purple pill. If you have any thoughts or ideas, always find that a little amusing. But otherwise, back to you, Dane.
@deepdiverdaneOkay, yeah, like I said, I appreciate you having me on. I've enjoyed your spaces. I've enjoyed how you guys are very objective, value-free speech, and take eagles and comments from everyone. So that's definitely a productive way to conduct your business. Myself, my name is Dane Chisholm. I'm just kind of a regular dude.
@deepdiverdaneThat's kind of been my staple here recently, explaining this to people. I am not a federal asset, like has been said about a thousand times in the last week. since a couple videos that i did i thought that was pretty funny but yeah i'm just uh i'm 28 years old uh i have a wife and a son i live in a rural christian community up in the mountains by stone mountain uh i live in a pretty much a small house a double wide actually a clayton double wide run a big garden have chickens goats all my neighbors we all equipment share it's a great community i have a great time here
@deepdiverdaneUm, I kind of got started in politics after I left the army. I was a paratrooper in the army. I did a couple of deployments and I got out and, uh, I grew up in Northwest Ohio. So I actually haven't lived my whole life in Tennessee, but my wife played softball at a university over here. So I came to Tennessee and, you know, we ended up planting our flag down in the ground in Tennessee and I fell in love with the culture and the people.
@deepdiverdaneAnd so I said, okay, you know what, this is where I'm going to start my family. And, um, you know, build our future. So that was a great decision. But I got started in politics after moving to Hawkins County. There was some local kind of political groups and clubs that focused primarily on local politics. And our county commission pressed forward with a kind of a resolution that was going to restrict property rights and introduce zoning.
@deepdiverdaneAnd this area, you know, famously has no land restrictions. It's a very, very free rural area. You can do pretty much whatever you want to do. And so really my big bang, I came onto the scene very hard. I kind of repurposed a political group and we motivated over 300 people to show up at the courthouse and kind of, it made a lot of local and state news.
@deepdiverdaneWe defeated that resolution. And from there, we just continued to work locally to encourage participation and preserving basically our constitutional sanctuary. So it's a great thing. We meet monthly. You know, I am very involved in local politics. I'm running for commission, county commission. I got pulled into state politics.
@deepdiverdaneBecause I vehemently support Monty Fritz, who is running for governor in the state of Tennessee. And I got brought on to his campaign to help kind of, you know, press the energy and get him busy on socials and kind of reach out to that demographic that is looking for something new, something legitimate, something authentic.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, Monty Fritz, he doesn't take any foreign funding at all, no PAC money. He's a Christian, a constitutionalist, a conservative, a really down-to-earth guy. So I said, you know what, I'm going to nose the grindstone. I'm going to push down. I'm going to give it my all, and I'm going to try to help him succeed at every level.
@deepdiverdaneSo politically speaking, I have no large credentials. Like I said, I'm 28 years old. I've been politically active for about... Yeah, I'd say four years or so, but it does take up the majority of my time. It is my primary focus outside of the community. So that's pretty much what I do in politics. I have followed national politics and history and all of those things very closely.
@deepdiverdaneI would consider myself rather informed and what you would say red-pilled on our national and geopolitical situations. So it's been something I've definitely been tuned into and kind of behind-the-scenes active, but I never really stepped up on the national political level or tried to do anything of that sort until very recently.
@deepdiverdaneI felt called to do that. I felt that there was a need for regular folks, the regular common citizen, to actively participate in this movement. And so, you know, I've been a large fan of Nick Fuentes and the America First platform for a while. You know, I'm not, I would not define myself as a Groyper by any means. And I would say the distinction between that, I'm an America First-er.
@deepdiverdaneBut, you know, I would say Groypers ultimately kind of have a little bit more loyalty and fandom of Nick Fuentes specifically rather than the movement or the political side of things. Yeah, I'm a fan of the show and whatnot, but my primary focus is the cause. So anyway, I followed that pretty closely, and then I got kind of thrown into a slew of all the drama that happened recently by participating and having some conversations and taking some recordings of that and putting that out there.
@deepdiverdaneBut I'm glad to be here. I'm glad to be in the trenches. I'm glad to be in the discussions. And I think it's our obligation as citizens to... Push the envelope. Get involved. You don't need to have a long history, political career, some kind of great credentials to be able to say, hey, this is true, and this is what we need to do.
@deepdiverdaneIt's our obligation to our children to save this country from the direction that it's heading. So, yeah, that's a little bit about me. I'll answer any questions or anything anybody wants to ask tonight.
Ian MalcolmYes, but, Dane, really quickly on that, and I say this just because I know that the – Fuentes fan base can of course be very devoted and loyal and kudos to Nick Fuentes for developing that type of what some might call perhaps a cult of personality in both a negative, but also in a positive sense, right? It's wonderful to have dedicated people.
Ian MalcolmSo the one thing that I just want to quickly add in here as a caveat. So first and foremost, America first, as I understand it is the Fuentes movement. So therefore it is reasonable to say that Nick Fuentes is America first, right? When it, when it comes to the branding of that idea, the hat that you have on in your profile picture, right?
Ian MalcolmI think it's perfectly reasonable to associate him with that the same way that it would with Donald Trump with MAGA. And I just want to throw that out there to contrast that when we're talking about these ideas of America first, what does that mean? There's both that movement, which I think unreasonable to say is anything but him, if that makes sense.
Ian MalcolmBut then also the idea of putting America first, that that could be something that's totally independent and that those two things don't necessarily have to go hand in hand. But I figured I'd get your thoughts on that.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, I totally agree. And I've tried to elaborate that in some further correspondence and further conversations that I've had. Yes, you know, I've made this point very clear. I've never said ever, one time, ever, literally ever, that Nick Fuentes was not central to the direction of the guidance of the America First brand.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, like I think the word, a proper word for this description would be the brand of America First, kind of the company, the show that he has built. And there is a distinction between that and the sentiment of America First. So unquestionably, Nick Fuentes is the center of the brand of America First. And, you know, I have no problem with that.
@deepdiverdaneAnd like I said, I would say probably 80 percentile of what he says I'm in agreeance with and support. But the idea that, you know, the entire movement, the entire sentiment of America First only solely. is based at the hands and discretion of Nick Fuentes is totally and completely inaccurate. There's many different groups and many different people who have been red-pilled throughout time or recognize what's going on or who want to place our national interest first.
@deepdiverdaneIt's kind of funny. There's a lot of people. I wear my hat all the time. I don't do the whole, and I'd like to get into that. At some point today, I believe we will do that. But I don't do the whole hide your power philosophy. I wear my hat to the gym, to the grocery store, wherever, you know, just casually throughout life.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I get a ton of people asking me like, oh, that's awesome. Where'd you get that? And I tell them about Nick Fuentes and his show and his platform. They've never heard of him, but they're like, yeah, I'm America first all the way. So, you know, it's not a complete monopoly on the sentiment for sure. But, yeah, no, Nick Fuentes deserves tons and tons of credit for the things that he has done and the information he's brought forward and the minds that he has opened and his political analysis that has definitely pushed the Overton window, pushed our public sentiment, our conversations in a direction that's, you know, beneficial for the movement.
@deepdiverdaneBut, you know, overall, big picture, America First, in general, the sentiment is not... Nick Fuentes won.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and that seems fair. And perhaps to break that apart just one more time for anybody in the way back of the room, right? It would be like saying that Donald Trump is MAGA, right? But that we can make America great independent of the MAGA movement and Donald Trump and all those other kind of things. So just to bifurcate the two, want to be very crystal clear about that.
Ian MalcolmAnd so with that being said, Dan, I'm kind of curious. Again, I think Thomas Massey kind of uh, shines as an example of somebody who was trying to put America first. He was trying to push back against things like the federal reserve. He was obviously vocal about APAC in that rather legendary interview he did with Tucker Carlson and he has paid the price, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd we were just talking about this in diligence room where, uh, it is pretty wild actually to break down the numbers because Massey had raised five and a half million dollars or so in direct funding for his campaign. Ed had been able to get roughly about 3.2. So, you know, a little more than half of the funding. And yet at the end, Ed was able to get 30 to 32 million dollars in direct activation for primarily advertisements.
Ian MalcolmRight. And of that 30 to 32 million, 15 to 16 million of it.
Ian Malcolmdirectly tied to APAC and other very pro-Israel lobbies. And the wildest part about this is that the other roughly 50% of that 30 to $32 million, if you look at the biggest donors to those other groups, one of which was the MAGA campaign, right? That Donald Trump is very closely tied to. What do you know? It was also funded by Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and all the other usual suspects, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so I say that because- it's probably reasonable to suggest that not just 50%, but maybe as much as 70, maybe 80, maybe more of that funding that Ed was able to receive to defeat Thomas Massey was directly tied to either pro-Israel groups like AIPAC, or perhaps what I would just loosely define as Jewish supremacy. And this is where this gets very strange because you could say that AIPAC, for example, they're representing the interests of Israel.
Ian Malcolmand of United States, let's call them American Jews, right? But in reality, AIPAC is just basically ensuring that the military, the funding, all the other things that are basically the destruction of America go hand in hand and kind of keep on continuing. And so I'm kind of curious, given what we just saw with Massey, and given that being pro-America, being very conservative with his voting record, that that seemingly didn't matter in the onslaught of foreign money, or let's say money tied to Jewish supremacy, that
Ian MalcolmPutting America first apparently means ending your political career, so it seems.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, it's extremely unfortunate. I would say Thomas Massey is the textbook definition of a patriot. Like, if you look up a patriot in the dictionary, Thomas Massey's photo is sitting right there, of course. You know, I've been a fan of Massey forever. I actually had a little bit of correspondence with him at one point.
@deepdiverdaneI started an initiative early on, and this gives a lot of credibility to myself, not to make it about myself, but we'll get back to Massey. But I started an initiative for the Epstein-File accountability, the release. We wanted a full release early on in the state of Tennessee, like way before it was cool, way when everybody was still celebrating the big victory of the election.
@deepdiverdaneEverybody was complacent, saying, oh, just give Trump some time. We could see the writing on the wall. You know, I went on a podcast and I said very clearly the ties to Israel are the reason that this is not going to come through. You watch and see. This was way before it was popular. And I sent an email to Massey's team and had him review the letter, which can be found on my page.
@deepdiverdaneAnd it's also online. We sent it to every single representative, the governor, everybody at every level of the state of Tennessee. And we asked them to take an official position as a state in an official capacity to demand from the federal government who draws their power from us. to give a full unconditional release and swift accountability for those involved.
@deepdiverdaneBut anyway, he was supportive of that. So, you know, in a kind of a jokingly way, I say I inspired Thomas Massey to really press forward with the Epstein stuff. Whether that's true or not, probably not. I mean, he was a squared away guy, but it was cool to be able to have that. I've been a huge fan, like I said. What we've seen here, what we've seen happen with this election, this is the reason that I stress.
@deepdiverdanethat we do not have 10 years to mobilize, organize, and display our power as a movement, the sentiment of America first. These guys are 10 steps ahead of us. We literally have Jewish supremacists large financial backing groups who are basically buying American political seats at this point. I cannot think of a single soul in the entire United States government that's more deserving of the office than Thomas Massey, or who more accurately represents the will of the people than Thomas Massey.
@deepdiverdaneObviously, there's some things coming out that are fishy about the election, and that's total speculation on my end. It would be ill. It would be not good faith for me to say that I have any reasonable position on that right now. I do think it's interesting. I just saw Alex Jones was talking about it. I've seen a couple people posting about it.
@deepdiverdaneSo I'm interested to see what comes of that information. But it is shocking. It is absolutely shocking. And it just shows you the position that we are in as a movement, as a nation, as a country right now that the all-star, the all-star, the MVP of putting America first, of prioritizing our people, of prioritizing our national interest of taking care of things that matter to America, which is Thomas Massey, just lost to a guy who would not debate him, who had, as the Gropers would say, no motion in any way.
@deepdiverdaneI mean, Thomas Massey has all the motion in the world. It's shocking, and it's revealing. So it really amps up the pressure, and I think this is a big wake-up call. I think, you know, me personally... when my buddy told me I was on the phone talking about some stuff about the campaign or whatnot. And he said, Massey lost.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I said, no, you're kidding. Like I was almost in denial a little bit. I know it was a tight race, but I could not fathom the idea that Thomas Massey would not have won his election. Well, this is the reality. This is the situation that we're in. So we need to, you know, acknowledge that we need to be situationally aware of where we're at.
@deepdiverdanein our national political space right now and be like, okay, well, okay, let's take a look. Let's take a second look at the challenges we're about to be facing because this one was shocking. Yes.
Ian MalcolmNo, fully agree. And it's, I mean, it's concerning in so many different ways. And, you know, this is what Sam Parker was talking about, which is that it would be one thing if it was just advertisements on, let's say Fox News and CNN and all these other things, right? That we could look at and say, okay, well, they're just gonna spend a lot of money and so be it.
Ian MalcolmBut the wildest part about this election with Massey is not just the advertisements, but the fact that Fox News and CNN, they wouldn't even give an ounce of coverage to the election unless it was about some of these scandals that in some cases seem like they were more or less completely fabricated, right? And so you basically look at the output of
Ian Malcolmof the mainstream media. You look at prospectively the coverage of that election on social media. Perhaps there was algorithmic suppression of certain, let's say, positive sentiments, the amplification of negative ones, right? And so there is an entire machine that is behind this trying to subvert the ability for somebody like Massey to win.
Ian MalcolmAgain, that goes way above just the advertising, but it is every aspect of the media, the tech, and all the other pieces. Sam Parker was even talking about during the 2024 elections, You even had polls in very heavy districts, perhaps in favor of one candidate. Oh, what do you know? Those, the ballots, they stopped working.
Ian MalcolmThe machines aren't taking, taking your vote, right? All these other things that are basically done on top of the advertising, on top of the money in the slush fund for these candidates. And so it creates this very holistic, rather nebulous problem that You know, we can look at from 50,000 feet and say there's an ocean of like you were saying, the momentum or the movement or the motion.
Ian MalcolmThere you go. There's an ocean of motion right in favor of Massey. But to your average onlooker, they don't even recognize that it's there because every aspect of this matrix that's around us is is basically subverting and subduing the appearance of such. Right. So kind of kind of curious for your thoughts on that and kind of how that played into the election.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, I would just say, like I said, it speaks volumes as to the situation we're in as far as the will or the intent of the people being represented. It doesn't really matter anymore. They can simply buy spots. They can buy elections at this point. And I would say, you know, this is another thing that I've stressed in a lot of times that I've spoken publicly about this.
@deepdiverdanewe have to mobilize and get the youth out to vote. I know this is kind of like a boomer-coded take, and this is nothing fresh or nothing new or nothing exciting, but it is the reality. We've got to get the Gen Z to mid-early Gen X out to participate and get things done. I understand the strategy, and we can get into that, of course.
@deepdiverdaneI don't want to get off topic, but we need to get... our people, the youth, to actually step forward, do their job, fulfill their obligation. But I am curious to see what the result of this. Massey's got seven months left, I believe it's seven months, to work in Congress. And I just wonder what direction he's going to go, because he's definitely kind of...
@deepdiverdaneflirted with the idea of doing some hardcore exposing. He's definitely signaled that he is willing to do that. So it'll be interesting to kind of see where the ending of his career goes as far as what mark he's going to leave. And I'm also curious to see what he will do moving forward. I mean, obviously, I think there's a huge contingent of the population that is hoping that he runs for president.
@deepdiverdaneI would be lying if I said that I wasn't one of those people. Like I said, I'm a Thomas Massey stan all the way, a huge fan of his, and I would support that wholeheartedly. But... Yeah, I mean, it's just the situation that we're in is dire. You know, I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but if Thomas Massey cannot beat an absolute Zio flatline guy, I'm not sure what else we can do other than to step up our game.
@deepdiverdaneWe have to be able to compete with these guys. These guys are 10 steps ahead of us in the chess game. They're 10 steps ahead of us in the funding. Much like our founders who were way behind at a large disadvantage against all odds, we find, as Americans, we must find a way to win. We just took a loss. We lost a battle, but we have not lost the war.
@deepdiverdaneWe need to take a tactical pause, strategically review our plan, tweak the things we need to tweak in order to be successful, and press forward with higher energy. That's my take on the whole thing, really.
Ian MalcolmAnd just out of curiosity, when it comes to pushing forward, if you were to think through, let's say, what the movement would be to put America first above anything and everything, what would be maybe the five bullet points that you would most want to make sure you were hammering home or that the candidates that you were supporting were pushing for?
@deepdiverdaneYeah, of course. I think first and foremost, we need to eradicate the foreign influence that has taken control of our government. That's not even controversial anymore. This is a mainstream talking point. A lot of credit given to Nick Fuentes for making that a mainstream talking point. There's others that played their role in that.
@deepdiverdaneBut yeah, where it was controversial even two years ago, to kind of point out, or hell, even a year ago, really. the impact that the foreign influence had on our government. You were immediately labeled conspiratorial and whatnot or potentially hateful. Yeah, that's the number one thing right off the top. I also believe that there are some sentiments, some tweaks to specifically the America First nationalist model.
@deepdiverdaneand some easy fixes that we could do pressing forward. I don't know if you'd be okay with it if I could elaborate on a few of those points and maybe take a couple, a minute or two on each point to kind of clarify my take on it. If that's all right with you, I'd be glad to.
Ian MalcolmWell, yeah, and let's do the following because I'm humbled to have Mr. GNN up here, longtime fan of his work, and it's so wild to think because I remember a long time ago when both of us had... I don't know, a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand followers. And watching his journey has just been really inspiring. So GNN, just want to check in with you, see if you have any thoughts or questions or comments on anything shared thus far.
Ian MalcolmAnd then we'll go back to Dane for some of his thoughts on those bullets he was going to talk about.
Speaker 1Yeah, man, I appreciate it. Can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmWe sure can, brother.
Speaker 1Sure, yeah. I know it's definitely been crazy. And now I'm like... posted something like two days ago and it's got like 350,000 likes or something. And I'm like, what is going on? But yeah, I like the space so far. It's good to hear from you guys. Haven't been on Twitter in a minute, but I just had a question for Dave.
Speaker 1And I kind of want to get your thoughts on this as well, Ian, after I'm done. So I do find the timeline of events. I want to talk to you about Nick in particular, Dane, sorry, where... do you guys find it strange in any way or was it totally organic that dane goes on to jake shield's podcast and starts saying that america first is bigger than nick fuentes that we need uh you know and like you know you started your conversation saying that you're not a griper i'm not a griper either i'm just uh looking at this from a nuanced perspective and i think that this is a i'm trying to be objective about this but
Speaker 1You go on Jake Shields' podcast, you say that America First is bigger than Nick Fuentes. All of a sudden, America First United is held, and they're carrying a very similar message. The New York Times picks up this entire story, and the subtext says the exact same thing. Can we have an America First without Nick Fuentes?
Speaker 1And then all of a sudden, like a day later, Dan Bilzerian, Jake Shields, whose podcast you had just went on, starts attacking Nick Fuentes. And you say that you... agree with Nick and that you support Nick. But then I see this, this line of thinking that you have where it's almost like you're an America first separatist movement or something or something else.
Speaker 1And I kind of wanted to get your thoughts, Ian and Dane is, does this feel organic to you at all? Was this organic? And yeah, just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on that. Thanks for, thanks for letting me talk.
@deepdiverdaneAwesome. Can I respond to Ian? Go ahead and do that. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. Right on. First of all, I'd say I'm a large fan of your content. I followed you for a while when you had a smaller following into what you are now, so that's awesome. I absolutely understand the lens to which this could be viewed as calculated or as a conspiratorial.
@deepdiverdaneBro, I get that 100%. So I'll give a full disclosure, a full picture of the events as in the way that they went down. Like I said, I'm with the Monty Fritz campaign, who I support running for governor, who has openly embraced Christian nationalist ideals, Tennessee first, America first. Just all the way really represented the themes that I support as an American citizen, as a Tennessee citizen.
@deepdiverdaneSo we pressed really hard to get him some exposure and get him to some larger events, get on some podcasts. Well, we were hit with a connection. that said, hey, there's going to be a big event. There's going to be some larger names there. One of them that popped off right off the top was Joel Webben, you know, a couple others.
@deepdiverdaneI was like, okay, well, this is a legit event, of course, America First. We reached out, and, you know, they were like, yeah, anybody who's running an America First platform is free to come and speak and share their time at the event. So I was like, awesome, perfect. And, of course, it was out of state, so we kind of thought about it as a team, and we thought, you know what, this looks great.
@deepdiverdaneit really was very quick. It was basically a week before the event. And as far as I had understood, and I've made this very clear, I was told by a couple people that Nick Fuentes was going to be there on the very down low and that he wasn't advertising that he was going to be there. Maybe that was naive of me to believe that, but that was my take on it.
@deepdiverdaneI was like, oh, I was looking forward to meeting Nick. I was like, hell yeah, and I was looking forward to... Monty meeting Nick. But anyway, we show up to the event. We were there for Monty Fritz to be able to speak and to be able to, you know, show himself as a true America first candidate. And I think very well, if you listen to him speak, I mean, he killed it.
@deepdiverdaneHe got a ton of kudos from the web and podcast recently and some others. They all loved him. I mean, he's a little bit older. He's a little bit of an older guy. He's definitely the oldest guy in the room, but he killed a speech and it was a good networking opportunity. I was there with a camera and they had a little room set up for people to be able to have conversations, a podcast, et cetera.
@deepdiverdaneI did not go on Jake Shields' podcast. What actually happened was, is one of the cameras went down. I happened to have a camera that I had just bought like two weeks ago, because like I said, I don't really have a career or a big thing in this. You know, I really just got started. And I offered, I said, hey, you know, I'll film a couple of things for you and get those over to you.
@deepdiverdaneNo problem. I can get them, you know, uploaded in Dropbox and whatnot. We had some conversations. I thought Jake was a really legit down-to-earth guy. He was really cool. We had some extremely productive conversations throughout the day, and I helped him out. At the end there, I said, hey, man, do you mind if we sit down and talk for a minute about some of the things we've already talked about?
@deepdiverdaneI just think it would be cool to get it on film. The nice guy that he was, he said, sure, let's run it. I wanted to keep it short and sweet. As you noticed, that video was only like 10 minutes long. We didn't really do a podcast so much as we just kind of had a conversation specific to the points that we had already discussed.
@deepdiverdaneWe sat down. That was one million trillion percent organic. Like I said, you know, there was my take on the entire event. And I said this before. I felt in good confidence that this was a pretty legit event with Web and showing up in his relationship with Fuentes recently. And some of the other speakers, they're super hardcore nationalist conservatives.
@deepdiverdaneI don't think the event was perfect, but you know what I'm not going to do. has like completely trashed it and say that it was worthless. Cause it wasn't, there was a lot of really brilliant minds there. It moved forward and it was a great net, uh, networking opportunity. Uh, we should not have had, excuse me. We should not have had just drinking energy drink before this.
@deepdiverdaneI'm gonna burp a couple of times probably tonight, but, um, we should not have had, uh, lefty far, far lefty brownoids, you know, up lecturing everybody about white genocide, cutting people's hands off in Britain, uh, or a Muslim going up and saying some sort of Muslim prayer. I understand the optical disaster that could occur or was taken from that.
@deepdiverdaneBut as far as the event in total, it was honestly really squared away.
Speaker 1I think we probably agree mostly on that. I'm not saying that AFU was an optical success by any means. I appreciate you giving the timeline of events. Part of me, I did think it was a... podcast, so that's my mistake. Didn't watch the show award. I did see the clips, but I kind of just really wanted to know what was the point of...
Ian MalcolmI think the mic cut out on you.
Speaker 1Is it better now?
Ian MalcolmYep, there you are.
Speaker 1Okay, sorry about that. So, I just really wanted to know what was the point of saying you know, America First is bigger than Nick Fuentes. If you are a fan of Nick, and if you do support it, then... What's the point of countersignaling? Why not just say nothing at all about it and kind of just do your own thing? You know what I mean?
@deepdiverdaneYeah, absolutely. You know, I honestly truly didn't view it as a countersignal. It was an objective opinion. I genuinely believe, like I said, Nick Fuentes, and I've clarified this several times and will continue to do so moving forward. Nick Fuentes is central to the direction, the guidance of the movement. He built the entire brand.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, he's done amazing things. my my point is very simple i don't necessarily think the groper sphere in general is going to forward and actualize the full potential of america first i believe that you know in order for us to succeed we need to be able to uh adapt and bring in a legitimate demographic that can forward the agenda and my opinion on that and the history shows and i'm very comfortable saying it i would say it again the same things i said in that video we need strong christian
@deepdiverdanemasculine men who are willing to sacrifice, who are not worried about anonymity.
Speaker 2Well, well, well, yo, Dan, can I interrupt quick? Cause there's a lot of them that are doing it now. Like a lot of them have families. A lot of them are doing it behind the scenes. You just don't know it.
@deepdiverdaneYeah. I, and I'm aware of that. I do believe that it's less than what is projected. I mean, I know guys at DHS who are Gropers. I know, yes, the exception does not disprove the rule. In the total picture of the nationalist movement, America first turning into something that is a powerful force that actually guides and directs the political direction of this country.
@deepdiverdaneI don't think right now is even close to what it could be. And that wasn't even a jab at Nick. And I think, you know, credit should be given to Shields and myself in that conversation. We were very overly complimentary to Nick and gave tons of credit. Me simply pointing out a point that Nick has made himself time and time again, I didn't think it was – I just didn't view it as an attack and that wasn't the intent the entire time.
@deepdiverdaneI mean, I'm not going to – say that what I said was...
Speaker 2I'm not going to sit here and be like... No, it was a little fucked up. You know what it was.
@deepdiverdaneNo, I don't agree with you.
Speaker 2Dude, you called him a little twink and not masculine. Come on, man. That's just rude.
@deepdiverdaneWas that a quote? Yeah, I never said little twink ever.
Speaker 2Well, whatever you said. Basically, that was what you were inferring. Come on. Don't walk it back now. Come on. Speak with your chest, nigga. Come on. Do it.
@deepdiverdaneI completely do, and I'm not walking back anything.
Speaker 2You are, though. You are.
@deepdiverdaneNope. I actually said that I believe that strong Christian masculine men need to make their way to the face of the movement. Nick has said himself time and time again. I mean, Nick has a great sense of humor. He's said it himself. He knows he's not like the vision perfect. strong, masculine leader. He talks about it all of the time.
Speaker 2Yeah, and he's never fucking said that, dude. He has the ideology. He's never said that. He's an ideal... You know what I'm talking about, dude. Come on. Be realistic with this. Come on. You know what's going on here.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, I don't know what you're getting...
Speaker 2He's not lifting fucking weights. He's not fighting in the UFC, but he's saying what needs to be said. I believe you know that.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, no, I've said that and I agree with you. So I'm not sure the English.
Speaker 2Okay, we're cool.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, no, bro. Nick Fuentes is America first. I have said this time and time again. I think there was an unfair lumping of me in with the group because of the timing of everything. This is 100%, guys. God is my witness. I got lumped into the group that attacked Nick Fuentes because of the timing. My point was truly from the heart an objective observation that I believed, and I want to inspire a demographic of the country who identifies with America First themes, who actually really rolls with America First.
@deepdiverdaneMaybe not the typical groper, but that – Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3And they need – My penis feels good. My penis feels great.
Ian MalcolmYes.
Speaker 3Yes.
Ian MalcolmNot not not representing the opposition very well there, Trumpy, but all good.
@deepdiverdaneSo, yeah, I got lumped in with a group, you know, and I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't think some criticism. This is another thing, guys. There are some criticisms. It's like an objective, regular criticism of Nick Fuentes is not an all out attack or an assault. Now, I understand that he faces those and that does happen.
@deepdiverdaneI get that. It's totally reasonable to point that out. But like a regular dude who's a big-time supporter and has defended him publicly on the record and all throughout for many years I've done so, the idea that me saying, hey... I think we need to bring this demographic into the movement to strengthen it, to actualize it, right?
@deepdiverdaneI don't think, you know, this has been misinterpreted as I'm saying, Nick Fuentes' time is over. He needs to step aside. That's what he said on his show. I never even uttered that word. A bunch of Groypers, which I understand what the Groypers do, and I've said time and again, I love the Groypers. They're funnier than fuck.
@deepdiverdaneThey're amazing. They're also, you know, sometimes detrimental, I believe, but ultimately, great senses of humor. Really funny. The power, the power. They will crush their enemies. If we can harness that energy and actualize it in the real world with other demographics, we would be unstoppable. But my point is, a bunch of groipers went on and said, look at this guy.
@deepdiverdaneHe's trying to co-opt the movement and take over and replace Nick Fuentes. And I'm like, if we can speak English, then this can be very quickly tucked away. and, and, and dissolved here. Cause I never, ever, I encourage people to watch any of my content, anything I've put out regarding this, I make it clear over and over and over, go to my ex, watch these, watch these videos, uh, where I make it extremely clear that not only am I not trying to counter signal Nick, because by, by me suggesting that we, um,
@deepdiverdanebring in a demographic of masculine Christian, regular rural folks, other people like that. It's not me saying that Nick is not the guy in any way. So I do encourage people to watch that and see for themselves. You can't just take and run with what, you know, four or 500 Groypers when they get on their shit storm and do what they do.
@deepdiverdaneYou can't read their tweets and take it at face value, guys. We understand.
Speaker 2Hey, listen, there's six million of us. You better watch the fuck out, nigga. Watch your mouth, okay?
Speaker 1I disagree with the assessment. I mean, I agree with Dane in that I disagree with the assessment that you're trying to take over America first. I didn't see it like that at all. I was just, I mean, when you had just said that you think that Groypers are a detriment, an overall detriment to the America first movement, what did you mean by that?
@deepdiverdaneNow, you know, when I said that, I didn't say an overall detriment. I said they're great and they have a lot of great energy and they do do a lot of good things. They definitely should.
Speaker 1You said, but they are a detriment.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, there are times when Groyfers can be detrimental to being the movement in the sense that when other people, regular folks who maybe don't understand. We are the movement. We are the movement.
Speaker 4Gordon, stop.
@deepdiverdaneSorry, I heard something there.
Ian MalcolmI'm just taking my hand off the steering wheel and letting Joanne run the ship for the time being.
@deepdiverdaneOkay. What I meant by that was, is there are times where Grouper items of humor and things like that, statements can be taken out of context. There's a demographic who doesn't really get the humor of the America First Grouper sphere, right? And they can see that and be like, it's hard for like grown, regular, serious men.
@deepdiverdaneAnd this is not a jab. This is just the truth. Like regular guys that I know all the time who I'm always drawing towards the America First movement saying, hey, this is the way. This is what we are. And then they go on and they see like a groper shit fest or something. And they're like, it's hard for them to take that serious.
@deepdiverdaneSo when I say it's detrimental, I don't mean overall. I'm saying that, you know, there needs to be an alliance between, you know, not everything can be online shit posting. Like there are people who just don't identify with that, who identify with all the other themes and all the other, the agenda of America first to, you know.
@deepdiverdaneThey're not, they're just, they're not that way. I mean, I get it. There's young guys and shit posting. It's fun. It's hilarious. They roasted the shit out of me. One of them made like one of the best pictures in the entire world of me and Jake sitting there. And they, you know, they drew, they drew like fake tattoos and shit on me and put the juice star on me and said something about menstruation.
@deepdiverdaneI mean, it was hilarious. And my point is, is that can be appreciated from, you know, people who understand it. But guys, we're trying to, We're trying to materialize this into a real-world force that controls the nation. And that's going to require us to extend our alliance past people who understand hardcore online shitposting and some of the dark humor that's attached to the show and Nick's rhetoric and things like that.
@deepdiverdaneThere's all kinds of regular blue-collar country folk who absolutely are 100% America first all the way. who, you know, they're not going to participate in that lane of it, but it only strengthens the cause. That is the true sense of nationalism, right? You know, that is the backbone of America. So when I say that, you know, they're detrimental, I don't mean it in a way that they don't belong.
@deepdiverdaneLike, they are. They've been there for years. I get their support for Nick and all of these things. So I don't want that to be twisted, and I've made that clear, and I will continue to make that clear.
Speaker 2Listen, I love my country bumpkin, okay? And I love you too because you're one of them. But at least you have a good sense of humor. You can take the heat without crashing out. So I'll give you that. Yeah, I agree. But you got to understand the difference. I think you do, right? The difference of what? the difference between what Nick is saying and why people crash out over certain things.
@deepdiverdaneYeah. Well, you know, I also, I, I, like I said, like I try, I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but there's a lot of people who it goes right over their head with some of his humor and it can be taken out of context and that's weaponized constantly. And I faced that locally in local politics, guys, excuse me. I've faced all kinds of criticism for openly supporting the platform and the America First Nationalist Movement and all of these things.
@deepdiverdaneAnd they try to weaponize all this. And they say, oh, this guy's a Nazi and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, constantly. And, you know, there are some people that you're just never going to... Some people just straight up can't have a sense of humor and they cannot handle it. Their brain is too watered down to even understand it.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, sometimes, you know, those people, there's nothing you can do for them. I think if we... You stand 10 toes down and in good faith explain, hey, not everything's absolutely picture perfect. Yeah, maybe there's some jokes that are distasteful or whatnot. Let's look at the policy. Let's look at the ideas here.
@deepdiverdaneLet's talk about the reality of what Nick Fuentes is saying, what America first is, right? And you can win people over that way. And so that's been my intent, and I will continue to do that. We've got soft people. Our country has gotten weaker. Our public consciousness is sensitive. So I can understand where some people are turned off by that, but ultimately we'll have to look past some of those things in order to materialize into a bigger, stronger, wider, broad movement.
@deepdiverdaneSo that was my point the entire time. I'm not going to beat a dead horse on that, but I do want to touch on one more thing very quickly, which was... it's totally reasonable. And I understand the idea that this was like some sort of coordinated thing with the timing and all of that. And I, you know, I can't speak, bro.
@deepdiverdaneI'm not in the loop. I don't, you know, there's this idea that I'm like a fed plan or that I know everybody else like super well or something like that. It's absolutely not the case. Like I said, I'm just a dude that lives in a double wide. I do take an active role. I have, I have made some ways I have done some things that I'm proud of, but you know, I don't think I'm entitled to,
@deepdiverdaneany special position or anything like that but where i'm going with that point is that this idea that you know i was brought in to specifically take this video in order to help discredit nick and push him to the side it's just not true and i like i said i'll say it one more time i do beg all of the groipers all the american first there's anybody who's interested in the nationalist movement to look at some of the things i've said and you'll see i am not an enemy i am an ally and i will defend
@deepdiverdaneI will defend the movement. I will stand 10 toes down on the fact that, uh, you know, maybe not every single thing is perfect, but this is the way.
Speaker 2Well, listen, if you want to correct the record, you need to laser off your tattoos and get a big swastika on your forehead. Okay. That's what we need to see right now. Yeah.
@deepdiverdaneI do want to say, yeah, well, no, what, what?
Speaker 2Okay. Faker. Okay. Are we based or what? Come on guys.
@joann_marieTell him you're joking.
Speaker 2I am joking. That was obvious. Ian Malcolm. I'm sorry?
Ian MalcolmYou're a Paki. I'm Pakistani now. Is that the latest claim?
@joann_marieI thought there was a death threat coming and it was about to drop.
Ian MalcolmYeah, another death threat.
@joann_marieI'm on edge now.
@malleusigI actually want to thank him and the other person for helping fill out my block list. Every time they come up, I get a chance to block them and that really makes Twitter a better place for me.
Ian MalcolmJason, do you want to say anything else before I drop you?
Ian MalcolmYeah. Is that a no?
@joann_marieHe's making weird sounds.
Ian MalcolmOkay. I'm kind of uncomfortable, Jason. Not going to lie. Anything else you want to share? I'm serious. I'm trying to be kind to you.
@malleusigOkay. Thanks for the hate crime, Jason.
@joann_marieAnd I like Orange. He's one of my favorite groupers.
@deepdiverdaneIan, is it all right if I get into a couple of those points and then we can just do a free-for-all?
Ian MalcolmYeah, I'd love to see if GNN has any other thoughts or questions or comments before you go into it, but then absolutely.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, that's really all I wanted to know. I guess the way I understood Dane was that it was just a very unfortunate coincidence that he had said those things that were just almost immediately repeated by people like Amy Dangerfield and... New York Times and stuff like that. I mean, it is hard for me to believe that honestly, but you do sound like a sincere person.
Speaker 1Um, I'm just, I just think that the timing of all that was extremely, extremely bizarre. I think a lot of other people do.
@deepdiverdaneI understand that. And it, you know, it is just simply the truth. Uh, and I think, you know, we, if you, people have dug into my ex account and I've seen, uh, times I've been critical of Nick before, mostly in a joking way, but you can also dig in there and see where I wholeheartedly defend him and all, all of these things.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, I never wanted to be, like I I was there on behalf of Monty Fritz's gubernatorial campaign in the first place. This all just happened to have happened because I did Jake Shields a favor and filmed a couple conversations for him. But yeah, it sucked. It really did suck because I also never thought that my step into the scene a little bit, no ego there, but definitely got a lot of traction for a little bit and it was exciting.
@deepdiverdaneBut I always envisioned my step into the... the scene being completely, like, allied and aligned, and it was, like, right off the bat, I had fucking, I had Wigger calling me a fed plant, and everybody saying, oh, this paid shill and all this stuff, and I was like, oh, God, why did I, why did it have to be, you know, viewed like I'm some sort of enemy or something like that?
@deepdiverdaneIt sucked, but I think in time... Due time, everything reveals itself. And I will continue to do what I've always done, which is talk in good faith and press forward. So I don't expect people to believe me. They have no reason to. Although, you know, I'm going to start making quite a bit more content, being more active in what we're doing here.
@deepdiverdaneAnd it'll show for itself. So I do appreciate it, bro. And like I said, I've always appreciated your content. you know, stay the course and, uh, God bless you.
Speaker 1Appreciate it. Thanks again. Yeah. Now you guys go ahead.
Ian MalcolmNo, love it. And, uh, GNN, I was, I was looking at you. You said, um, I think it was 30,000, uh, no 300,000 likes. I've never seen anything like that on X.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was just like, okay. I thought something was going on with the algorithm for a while, and then all of a sudden that happened. I was like, okay, yeah, I'm not shadow banned or whatever. But yeah, it's pretty cool.
Ian Malcolm300,000, 335,000 likes with just under 5 million impressions. And for anybody that hasn't seen it, it's a little kid with two pistols firing at a target looking very competent. And it says, in what situation would a kid ever need this? And GNN just wrote Epstein. It has 5 million impressions. This is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks for answering my questions, Dane. Thanks for having me, Ian. I'll probably just drop down to listeners. They might come back up later. Of course. Yeah, I appreciate the content, man.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up.
Ian MalcolmYeah, let's check in real quick with Tom, who's got his hand up, and then we'll go back to Dane for kind of a walkthrough of those bullets he wanted to illustrate.
Speaker 5wow yeah i just looked at that video what a video the control that young lady has good lord well done anyway so dane yeah i wanted to ask you if you think the 32 million thrown at ed galleran and the trump administration's emergency campaigning to defeat the most popular congressman in the country was well thought out or do you think the measures that they took are only going to really highlight the degree to which
Speaker 5the epstein class and the israeli-only elements running the trump administration are willing to go to in in their thinking to i believe silence massey which i also believe will backfire heroically my second question for you is do you also think you know for the most that the most likely explanation to the anti-massey campaign madness is simply that trump hates massey so much basically for exposing the epstein files that it became a personal thing for trump and that's why he sent
Speaker 5His lapdog Heg set out to do his little whatever ridiculous speech he did. I didn't even watch it. Anyway, those are my questions, brother.
@deepdiverdaneThank you. Yes, sir. Yeah, I do think that they did the work for us as far as exposing. We don't have to worry about being labeled conspiratorial anymore. Homies are coming out and just straight up saying it. We spent this money and won. And this is how it works now. I mean, if you just look at their socials and their posts and their positions, it's not a matter of discussion or a matter of like, well, is this the case?
@deepdiverdaneLike, this is a matter of fact. This is the reality. $32 million can buy congressional seats now from foreign lobbies. So, yeah, it does do a lot of work for us as far as just being able to point straight to that. As far as your second question.
@deepdiverdaneWill you repeat your second question?
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so the second question is, you know, the way that they campaigned was so outside of the norm, not only with the funding, but the fact that he sent Hegseth out there, who's a Trump lapdog, if I've ever seen one, makes me think that this was more a personal thing for Trump and that he wanted to know people in his inner circle and God knows who else.
Speaker 5Look, I'm more popular than Massey, I told you guys, because he's so insecure that he needs that reassurance. That was the question.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, no, it's definitely obviously a personal measure. I mean, what... We'll not get confused here. I mean, it was a huge threat to have Massey to continue to operate in Congress and continue to win people over and come in his direction. They knew that. So, I mean, that obviously played a huge part. But I think Trump looks at the love and the revere of Thomas Massey, of the people, and probably does have a distaste.
@deepdiverdaneI mean, obviously, Trump, it's no secret that he is a bit of an egomaniac. And he's seen the takes on him and the public opinion on him swiftly move in the opposite direction of what he probably intended for it to be like. So, yeah, I'm sure there was a personal element there. I mean, you see it in his rhetoric and you can just kind of see it like whenever he talks about it, he turns like into a viper almost.
@deepdiverdaneYou can just see the distaste, the disdain when he speaks about Massey. And that's understandable. I mean, a lot of people were Trump supporters and Massey supporters simultaneously. And I think the people who ended up siding with Trump kind of revealed themselves as You know, maybe not so much as critical thinkers, more of like, you know, just mega hive mind.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, there's probably a couple people listening to this that I know who are going to be mad at me for saying that. But I think that's the truth. I mean, it really is the truth. I mean, what what Trump did to Massey is kind of it just it shifts everything. It makes it very, very clear. It makes it very clear. So, yeah, that's my take on that.
@deepdiverdaneCool day. Appreciate it, brother. Thank you, Tom.
Ian MalcolmYeah, so let's go through, Dana, maybe there were a couple bullets you wanted to specifically kind of walk through. So you want to take us through those?
@deepdiverdaneSure, yeah. And I kind of have, you know, the four main, kind of four main ideas that I wanted to talk about and the reason that I've even said some of these things in the first place. You know, I'll kind of get started. What I would kind of classify this as, off the top of my head, I would say, these are... current flaws.
@deepdiverdaneWe must understand that criticisms are not attacks, especially amongst the serious movement, amongst grown men. Iron must sharpen iron. As a Christian, we are obligated to follow that. We understand what that means. A criticism is not inherently an attack. Now, it definitely can be, and there can be jaded and sideways jabs and all those things can be weaponized, but we must be able to have conversations as a movement.
@deepdiverdaneAnd Nick is very, very, very smart. He knows that not every single take is absolutely perfect. And he has made concessions before on certain points and stuff like that. So I'm not saying that he's an egomaniac to the point that it's impossible for him to take any criticism. But I do see, because he's attacked so constantly, that sometimes there are kind of criticisms that come up on the radar that are pretty reasonable, pretty objective, that are immediately trashed and thrown away as an attack.
@deepdiverdaneWe can always do that. So anyway, I guess I would say these are kind of current flaws in the America First nationalist movement model and easy fixes. And this one's a big one for me. Class collaboration is a core principle of any successful nationalist movement. So, you know, like... A total rejection of class conflict and prejudice between them.
@deepdiverdaneThis is like National Syndicalism 101, where we reject, as nationalists, we reject the liberal hyper-individualism and the Marxist internationalism and then the bourgeois disdain for the blue-collar workers and the pitting of classes against one another. Instead, we would push for unification and mutual respect amongst the classes.
@deepdiverdaneAnd my take on this, Nick is currently basically, you know, in a lot of his rhetoric is like a textbook definition of a class snob, or at least, you know, he's openly and consistently practices class snobbery. in his rhetoric. You know, we say this, we see this recently in his mockery of the idea that, you know, quote, you know, he did, it was funny when he said it on a show.
@deepdiverdaneHe was, you know, he said it in a Southern axis, kind of funny. The alpha Christian muscular men will take the country back. But this has kind of been a main source of mockery for him for years. And I'm not talking about the humor, the dark humor. That's no big deal. I get that. I'm talking about his literal disdain And some kind of the almost the arrogance he reveals towards Southern working class folks or veterans or factory workers or, you know, or, you know, all that thing and how it has leaked over from him into somewhat of a theme of the America first movement.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, Nick and a ton of the Gropers, they actually literally view the backbone of America. And what I believe is like the only chance in hell that this movement has to succeed, which is, you know, mobilizing its. Our working class and our Christian men who build and maintain our society in the real world and not on camera and all these things, you know, the culture of rural small town America.
@deepdiverdaneThe Gripers, Nick, you know, they view it and kind of, you know, and don't be defensive here, guys. But in my take, it's kind of like a faggy liberal professor lens of like these people are inferior, dirty and uneducated, etc. You know, so I have no idea how you could possibly intend on leading a serious movement and continue with this kind of objectively flawed perspective.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, it actually makes me pause. It makes me ask, like, is he just not studied on nationalist principles? And which obviously the answer to that is he is. You know, he has displayed vast knowledge and historical and literacy on this topic. He understands it thoroughly. So then I wonder. why is he consciously just choosing to disregard this principle of nationalism, like a core tenet, and replace it with kind of the Marxist class divisiveness rhetoric?
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, he's so far in one direction on that scale. And, you know, I said he's not an egomaniac, but let's not say that he doesn't have no ego at all. I mean, let's not fool ourselves here. I wonder if his ego makes him angry or, you know, I don't know what the word is in... I'm hesitant to say insecure, but that's what comes to mind.
@deepdiverdaneAmongst the strong and capable, physically hands-on people, I don't know. I just think it's kind of silly. Mussolini, Hitler, Mosley, Franco, or his predecessor even, Jose Antonio, I'm blanking on his last name, Jose Antonio Primo, I don't remember his last name, Primo de Rivera, I think. Anyways, all of these leaders,
@deepdiverdaneThey reiterate endlessly in their nationalist pursuits that the enemy of their movements are obviously number one. Number one is obviously international Jewish Marxist subversion of their governments and the finance and the attack on their culture. But two, inwardly, the true enemy outside of that, inwardly they face a great enemy.
@deepdiverdaneAnd that was the bourgeois spirit of materialistic, hedonistic, and parasitic behavior. That comes from these, you know, supposed elites and the division it caused within the soul of the nation, which is, you know, is the common people, is the common families. So it makes me wonder, like, what is the intent with, you know, this rhetoric?
@deepdiverdaneSo this flaw, you know, and so I say these are flaws and then I have a quick fix. I suppose I would say on each one of these. And for the first one, I would say the flaw can be fixed with a course correction that would serve both the movement and, you know, its base, its supporters. And this would be to immediately seek to end this foolishness and embrace unification and promotion of these heritage and backbone demographics that I'm always defending and put them in the lead at different levels of this movement.
@deepdiverdaneI did not say at the top. I'm just saying at different levels of the movement. You know, like all the young hipster, kind of effeminate, physically weak, only suit wearing. Guys who, you know, the ones that get smacked in the fucking mouth and walk away on camera, you know, who can't change out an alternator or, I don't know, carry two bales of hay at the same time or whatever, never adequately defend themselves against any legitimate threat without other men to do it for them.
@deepdiverdaneAll of that, right? So the majority of what I would say is the online groper spirit, which is not all of them. So I'm not saying everyone, but, you know, that is the face of the whole AF brand and movement right now. And I don't think it can remain this way and be taken seriously by a huge demographic of like serious grown men.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, the grown and able-bodied and kind of spiritually solid men that will cause this movement to succeed. Uh, you know, they need to be able to take it serious. And so kind of to wrap that point up, uh, and I'm, I know I'm going to butcher this. I listened to this all the time. It's a Mayday speech, but, uh, there was a speech on labor day, obviously many years ago, a fine gentleman explained this whole principle that I'm talking about and I'll be paraphrasing.
@deepdiverdaneUh, I hope I hit it close, but, uh, I don't have it memorized. Something along the lines of our people's ability to assert its own will is fading with the disintegration that comes from class conflict that's forced upon us. There's one thing that we recognize as the primary requirement for saving our people, and that is that our people must once again come to know ourselves.
@deepdiverdaneSo there's millions of us that are divided into different jobs and separated into artificial classes that have become infested with arrogance of rank and class madness and are no longer able to understand each other. This is the main point here. They must find their way back together. And though this is a ginormous, tremendous task, and we know it, nonetheless, we must do it.
@deepdiverdaneSo I believe in America, we must do the same. This movement must understand that. So that was kind of the first point. My second one would be, you know, and this it's going to seem like I'm shitting on it. These are just objective takes, guys. You know, this is how I've lived my life and how I've seen success politically.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I've talked about this a little bit earlier, but I don't really identify with the hide your power strategy. OK, I cannot identify with that. I don't I think it's unrealistic and a little naive, honestly, to rely on a slow subversion and trickery. And kind of like a low-key spy kid style hostile takeover of the right wing.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, not only is this idea what I would say is kind of antithetical to honor and courage and standing on your convictions boldly, serving Christ, all these things. Basically every standard for all of human history of like, you know, I don't know, just not being a pussy. I don't think it's realistic. And I'm not saying that...
@deepdiverdanepeople who are, who are doing that are pussies inherently. I'm just saying in general, the whole hide your power thing are scared to death to wear the hat, even, you know, all these things in specific scenarios, it's applicable. You know, like I said, I've met guys, I know guys that literally groipers at DHS, like this, it's a real thing, but these cases are exceptionally rare.
@deepdiverdaneAnd we know, as I said, exceptions do not disprove the rule. So spending years hiding your intent. And, you know, I don't know, cucking and bending the knee in hopes that you'll be handed the reins from the GOP establishment. And the idea that you think you can carry this out while, you know, Nick has publicly announced the plan of subversion and infiltration for like 10 fucking years straight all over the media.
@deepdiverdaneOK, and the establishment is clearly aware of that plan and is watching for it and all of that. I just I think it's slightly a little retarded. You know, maybe maybe I'm the retard, but that's my take. You know, at some point, your principles are going to cost you and you will be faced with either cucking and laying, you know, laying around and hiding and hiding what you believe in order to maintain the operational security necessary to pull off this decades long plan, which defeats the purpose, in my opinion.
@deepdiverdaneit actively kind of negates the proper and timely influence you would have on policy anyway. Or, you know, you have a choice. You could stand 10 toes down and press back, you know, which is eventually going to reveal you anyway. So it's, I would say it's not only more honorable and strategically beneficial to just be yourself and stand by your principles openly, because that's what a man does, but it's more realistic because, you know, you will succeed rather than being exposed, exposed.
@deepdiverdaneway down the line and they'll see you as a subversive rat and they'll exile you from power or influence that you may have gained from gimping for however long you managed to do it. You know, I don't think, I don't think it's a great strategy. And I said this earlier, you know, I wear my hat all of the time and we talk about infiltration guys.
@deepdiverdaneI'm just really straightforward. I tell the absolute truth about what I believe. I don't do the subversion game, and I'm on a gubernatorial campaign in the state of Tennessee. I had a conversation with a legitimate person who understood America First principles, and I never once hit a single position of mine. I never once hit the fact that I think Israeli subversion, Jewish supremacy is a problem.
@deepdiverdaneI've never hit the fact that I think that the demographic change is a huge problem and we need to get rid of all the illegals and we must respect our Christian heritage. I just set it straight. And when you do that with power, with boldness, with conviction, right, we make things happen. And so I didn't need to infiltrate.
@deepdiverdaneI didn't need to subvert the GOP in the state or locally or anything. I'm about it, and it works. You convince people when you tell the truth with power. So the easy fix to this, my opinion is, and don't take it personally, Gropers, but we need to stop with the whole cowardice thing. We're using the excuse of prudence and calculated strategy to justify...
@deepdiverdaneour lack of constitution and willingness to risk and sacrifice what is necessary to be the change that we want to see. Our founders would cringe and ridicule and mock the strategy. I really believe that. And at least the leading class of the founders who were battling the overly prudent ones. And there's tons of writing about this and you can look into it.
@deepdiverdaneAs a Christian, I would say Luke 10, 19 represents this thoroughly. This is one of the few verses I have very well memorized. But Luke 10, 19, I have given you the authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and overcome all the power of the enemy. Nothing shall harm you. I believe as a follower of Christ, if you understand this authority that we have and the power that we hold forward to kingdom, you're obligated to use it.
@deepdiverdaneSo I would just say to wrap kind of that point up, I've got two more. I'm not trying to drag on here, guys, but I do want to be thorough because I haven't really had an opportunity to explain myself. A lot of people said a lot of things about me or who I am or what I think. In good faith, I am for the movement. But anyway, I would say to the young men who have been convinced that,
@deepdiverdanethis philosophy of hiding your power is the way I'd say. My take on it, and I would say this straight to Nick, and I would love to have that conversation. I would say it's time to throw that in the garbage, homies. We need to show up to our county commission meetings and our local political clubs or our city councils or whatever you have or your churches.
@deepdiverdaneDisplay the superiority of your nationalistic and Christian ideals. This is how we win. Make it popular by default because all of the chads, all of the alphas, all of the serious people in our society are doing it. Make it cool to embrace and forward these ideas. Be an example of what it means to exemplify this America First program.
@deepdiverdaneAnd Nex says this all the time. He says it all the time. Present yourself well, right? Yeah, we need to be loving and respectful, but also we must be firm and unwavering, right? We need to gain, you know, this isn't an attack. This is the truth. We must gain as men physical strength and intellectual and communication skills.
@deepdiverdaneHaving only one side of this hinders our effectiveness and credibility as men. Be a fucking man. And so, you know, why is this necessary, man? Why do we have to do that? It's because we have no choice. We just saw what happened with Massey. We have to act now. They, our enemy, is acting now. They have beaten us. They are ahead of us 10 steps.
@deepdiverdaneThey have secured full control of our political space and the direction of our country right now. We don't have 10 years to play party politics and spy kids subversion, homies. We need to organize and quickly reveal our power in numbers and moral positioning and inspire our fellow countrymen to stand with us now. So I, listen, guys, guys.
@deepdiverdaneI endorse Nick's guidance 100%, but I do not believe that he can do it alone. This was my point from the very beginning. We owe it to him. We owe it to the movement. We owe it to our country, to our descendants, all of our children, right? We need to embrace the struggle. Same way our ancestors have before us. We're not playing Dungeons and fucking Dragons.
@deepdiverdaneWe're not playing simulation stuff, you know, or whatever. This is real life. We got to be able to take constructive criticism. This is what I view this as. There might be people that take this and say, this guy's shitting all over this entire thing. I am not. I am telling what I believe to be the truth and I will do that until I die.
@deepdiverdaneWe need to ally with people who, like myself, like other people who are not scared, who are not going to kiss their ass in their way into the movement. If I'm totally and completely rejected and it's determined that fuck this guy, then it is what it is. I guess I'll just have to press our nationalist movement through other avenues.
@deepdiverdaneBut, you know, through this process and series of events that are going to happen, uh, leadership will, you know, it will reveal itself. Okay. So I'm not going to ran on that. Um, what's, what's another one? Um, um, I had these down, um, the, okay. Another real big point. And I, and I'm not going to keep rambling on here guys, but, uh, the, the kind of anti-marriage anti-nuclear family kind of, uh,
@deepdiverdaneI'm going to be a little bit of a smart out, you know, kind of like the young retarded gay coded themes in America first, man, it destroys. Sometimes it does. It destroys the image and the capability for serious men to take the movement seriously. Okay. Um, you know, this was just pointed out on a recent collab with Nick and Dave Smith.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, Dave Smith is annoying as he can be. He has good takes and bad takes. But, you know, he mocks the whole wife guy rhetoric and kind of describes it as young, what do you say, like dumbass kid thinking when he wasn't giving Nick's pet, you know, Nick credit and stuff like that. And I think that's true. So in no way does this movement need to support the destructive and cringy kind of third wave feminist movement or cook to our wives or pretend that there's not a natural inherent difference in the roles between men and women.
@deepdiverdanein God's design and all that, but we do need to love and honor our wives. We need to protect our daughters and our feminine, you know, whatever counterparts. This is common sense guys. Okay. Uh, this is biblically and morally aligned. This is what honorable men do. You know, we need to promote our young men to seek and find wives, uh, that they can take and mold into their homemakers there to hold, hold it down while we are battling on the fronts to save this country.
@deepdiverdaneWe need to build successful and productive families for our society and our nation to thrive. So rejecting that and mocking that is, in my opinion, is just kind of gay and it's stupid. And I get it. There's a lot of humor behind it. And, bro, my dude, I am one of those guys. My wife, I took her and molded her. She's a great woman, but she knows her place.
@deepdiverdaneShe does what she is told. She tends to the children and to the home, and that is the way it should be. You know, those last couple of generations have kind of bought into this garbage that they see on TV. They've been subverted and brainwashed by the music and the TV and the pop culture and all this to believe that that shit is real life, and it's not.
@deepdiverdaneNick and the Groypers, but the problem is, is, like, they only further exacerbate, I guess would be the word. this issue by convincing thousands of young men in this movement that building a family and having children is like a drag or like a liability that's detrimental to themselves and the cause. Like that's faggotry.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I get it. Not everybody has to be married and have kids and all of this stuff. And I'm saying in general, we have to, we need to kind of push that into a corner of humor and a lot. Yeah. Jokes all day. I'm never going to be against having good jokes and all those things, but as a serious portion or attachment to the movement,
@deepdiverdaneWe must get rid of it. It's stupid. My final point, I guess, and what I've seen a lot recently, and I just say this.
@deepdiverdaneI guess I would say, you know, this. He just went on AJ. I just watched the little clip. I didn't get to see the whole thing. So I might be speaking out of context. I don't know. But, you know, this this projection of like, you know, Nick's always talking about how we need to have unity where and then a lot of people are kind of pointing out.
@deepdiverdaneIt seems like we kind of actively undermine it all of the time. You know, like, I'm just like the chutzpah of this motherfucker. The chutzpah homie has to go on AJ's show and lecture about, you know, what he said. He said, like, sticking together as a movement and having an army all in unison and, like, the glue that holds us together.
@deepdiverdaneSomething Sneeko said. While he's like countersignaling, right, and this is the truth, he did do this. We don't have to deny this. He countersignals the white Christian candidates that are fighting for the agenda and speaking truth to power. Whether he believes that's strategically beneficial or why he did that, I won't speak for Nick Fuentes, and I'm sure he's probably covered it in total and complete depth already.
@deepdiverdaneBut, you know, I'm not, he didn't have to countersignal Putsch. He could have even just sat to the side and not endorsed them, not went against them, but for some reason we did that. I don't understand. Over petty and random reasons, it seems. I'm wondering, this is kind of my final point on this, how can you expect loyalty from the serious political figures in the movement moving forward after you trash them?
@deepdiverdaneWho embraced the program? How can we expect loyalty from white America when we trash their culture? I was talking about earlier. or going elitist on them, talking about this class divisiveness and mocking them. That's fucking stupid. Or, you know, or citing in culture wars and oppositions to whites pretty much at any time, or like mocking white, you know, right-wing activism and the leaders of the movement who are applying these principles of community and excellence and all of these things in real life, in real life, doing real things.
@deepdiverdaneit's problematic. So I would just say that there's some fine-tuning that needs to occur in order for us to turn into the ultimate weapon. And that's not to sound cheesy or gay, and that might sound cheesy or gay. Actually, I agree, that sounds gay. We have some fine-tuning as a movement. I believe Nick is way smarter than to think that that's not true.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I think that, you know, this has been said by Webb and this has been said by people that I believe I would say are probably what you consider the cabinet, his inner circle. We know that we need to start getting this demographic involved, right? So there's some things that we need to do in order to make America First a real world force that is going to take over.
@deepdiverdaneSo I'm done blabbing. I appreciate you guys letting me kind of explain some of those points. I hope they're not viewed as an attack. I hope they're taken in good faith. And I'll be quiet. So appreciate it.
Ian MalcolmWell, no need to be quiet. And if anybody has kind of questions on some of the suggestions made there, and I say it because, you know, my interest is to try to figure out how do we move forward? Who do we support? How do we message this? How do we help other individuals kind of find their lane, their talk track, and kind of their voice in this communal effort, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so... If Fuentes is suggesting let's band together, then I will certainly high five that suggestion. And I say that because I think on a lot of these things, right, there are times when we could say, well, he said this in the past and therefore he shouldn't say this in the present. And it's kind of like, well, and don't get me wrong, I certainly will always call out hypocritical commentary when I see it.
Ian MalcolmBut at the same time. we gotta move forward. We gotta be, we gotta be progressing things. We gotta look at Thomas Massey. We gotta look at some of these other candidates. I would love for what it's worth to see, you know, whether it's Fuentes or Alex Jones or any of these folks, I'd love them to, to band together and to lift up candidates.
Ian MalcolmCasey Putsch being one of them was, was wonderful to speak with him about his campaign. And look, I know there's tons of things that we could critique, but I'd suggest that he's certainly better than either Vivek Ramaswamy or the billionaire data center, uh, cock or, uh, or the Jew. And, uh, and, and it seemed like nobody wanted to get behind Casey for what it's worth.
Ian MalcolmAnd look again, lots of things that we could pick apart with his campaign, the approach, any of those things. Sure. But why not try, right? Why not try to support them? And, uh, and so I, I just throw that out, whether it was Casey, whether it's Tyler Dykes down in South Carolina, we did a space with him. I thought he was a wonderful perspective candidate.
Ian MalcolmIt doesn't mean I endorse the guy. Cause look, I don't know everything about everybody that we try to talk to, but at least try to platform these people and give them a chance to get some visibility. Uh, in the case of Tyler, he get this, they they've, they've had multiple polls come out about how candidates are doing.
Ian MalcolmAnd in, in one of the respective polls where he was included, He was in like second or third place. Every other poll has just left him off of it altogether because they don't want anybody even looking into who he is, what he stands for, right? This manipulation of the political options that we're being presented with. So whether it's Alex Jones or anybody else, I hope that they sincerely, that they take that recommendation.
Ian MalcolmAnd I see individuals like Stu Peters, who I know he certainly will platform all of these people. I think he platformed Casey. I think he platformed Tyler. So we need to do what we can to just lift up voices however we can and figure out how we move together, right? Because the infighting, it doesn't really help. But I do think, you know, those are some worthwhile considerations.
Ian MalcolmAnd the piece around kind of the classism, I'd be very interested because people in the Purple Pill, some of them were in agreement with you there, Dane. Others were suggesting, you know, that the intellectuals, that they should lead the charge. Everybody else should... I suppose to quote Dwayne The Rock Johnson, they should know their role and shut their mouth, or at least that's what he would tell you as a pro wrestler.
Ian MalcolmI don't think that's the right move, to be honest with you. I would actually agree with Dane, right? We need to help everybody find out how they can participate, how they can have a voice. They won't be able to deliver it as articulately as Fuentes or any of these other commentators, sure. But that doesn't mean that we should demean them.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think that's a perfectly reasonable thing to suggest. Um, but, uh, but that's just my take on the matter. Let's go to, uh, some of the speakers that we have up here. Uh, first and foremost, I'd be curious for, uh, for V or for rabbi, if you guys have any immediate thoughts and then we'll go to steel, uh, check in with the incomparable David Nietzsche and then go down to Mr.
Ian MalcolmTruth seeker.
Speaker 6Well, I guess, um, just real quickly, um, you know, we all do make mistakes and I don't know. I'm not the biggest fan of Nick Fuentes, but I guess in the honor of building bridges, you know, I think it'd just go a long way in saying I was wrong in some of these takes. And I did this because I have a younger base to gain appeal, whatever it is.
Speaker 6I don't know. That's what I was just thinking. And yeah, I just think that'd go a long way. And I know that's part of his gig is to kind of be funny and it's jokes, but yeah. I just think that would go a long way. But yeah, thanks to Space Ian and everyone. Retweet, like, and share.
@malleusigYeah. Listen, Dane, I agree with you on a lot of points. But again, I think that the denial or the giving up this idea of any kind of strategy or long-term planning is unfortunately a European failing. And it's the one that's always ended with us being beaten. This idea that we have this bad news bears mentality where we're all going to just sort of like, you know, be honest and authentic.
@malleusigAnd then suddenly we're going to pull a win out in the third inning or the ninth inning, right? And it's like, it doesn't work like that. You need a place for strategic thinking. You need a place for being quiet, not going out and tackling every opponent head on. This is what the Romans learned when they were fighting the Carthaginians, right?
@malleusigYou need to be strategic and smart. You're not going to win this on gumption alone. And if anything, the last 2,000 years of history between us has shown that. So that's, I think, the only thing that I would push back on that you said.
Ian MalcolmLet's go to Steele and then over to David Nietzsche.
Speaker 7Yeah, I'll be quick. you know, my thinking, I guess, is that I've been listening to a lot of spaces about the loss of Massey and whatnot. And so there's all over the board, like, should we even vote or should we, you know, and I've heard you and Dave and people, you know, we got to have a ground roots thing. But I guess my question is, is like, yeah, what is, where do we go from here?
Speaker 7And like, well, Is it a ground roots effort? Do we just continually, I mean, is voting the best option or where do we go? I'm hearing that. I'm kind of being like, what's the word? I'm kind of being a devil's advocate here. I'm not clear because honestly, I don't know what the best strategy is. And I'm curious to what you guys think because you can vote.
Speaker 7And I've always been told, you know, you got to vote. You got to vote. But, you know, and then I hear, you know, from even Truth, which is a good guy, and I love listening to his space. I'm a subscriber. But, you know, where do we go? I mean, like, what do you do? I mean, and what's the positive thing, David? Where do we go from here?
Speaker 8Well, I would first say never play devil's advocate. He doesn't need the help. He's already got all the attorneys.
Speaker 7Well, that's good. I love that.
Speaker 8Yeah. But let's not forget what's happening to our advantage, right? I mean, they have the military and the media and the money, but all they lack is the advantage, which is ours. And you notice that the words, three terms that are starting to become, they're catching on. One of them is Jewish supremacism. That's a big deal.
Speaker 8It's a big deal. One of them is, and I heard someone else use it today, like a congressman, a Democrat congressman, is the Epstein class. You know, I mean, we have propagated this out, right? I guarantee you they got on X to hear about this, you know? And then one that needs to get there, that people on X at least are catching on to a little bit, is out-group psychopathy.
Speaker 8The matrix cannot exist if you know, than it exists. Part of what makes the Matrix the Matrix is that, as you've heard me say before, the repeat the line of Morpheus, that the world has been pulled down over your eyes to blind you. And that's really coming to an end. I don't think voting is the answer. I think that overrated little water closet is more hypnotic and placating than it is effective in leading any kind of revolution.
Speaker 8That's why they say, well, gosh, you voted. If you didn't vote, then you have no right to complain. I think we're rapidly coming to a point where the opposite is true. If you thought that voting was your instrument of control over those who deign to rule you, then it's your fault, right? You're the ones who listen to these people.
Speaker 8Fichte, who founded German nationalism, he asked people that. He said, why do you listen to these people? Isn't it your fault for doing what they say, for listening to them? So, and I understand people, by the way, I'm, I'm sorry. Like, I'm just not interested in Nick Fuentes. You know, I don't, people say, oh, this guy's a fed.
Speaker 8He says, it's not a question of any of that for me. The man has lost all credibility. Think about our forefathers, right? Don't you want to be led by people like that? I don't want to be led by someone who's clever and ha ha. And, you know, yeah, you know, Epstein's kind of a good guy and all that. And, you know, say whatever you want.
Speaker 8It's okay. You know, like, uh, If he, you know, pattern recognition is a thing. If you lose credibility, you can gain, you know, it's possible theoretically to gain it back. But that would take a long track record. And also sincerity. I'm only interested in sincere people. I'm only interested in people that are consistent.
Speaker 8I'm only interested in people who never stop, never change. They keep going and going and going. And the veracity of their words and your belief in it, they're unwavering. That's what I'm interested in. There are plenty of us. I don't like really calling what's happening as a mere movement. This is an awakening. And if you have 200 followers and you're on here to give your opinion, I promise you that your opinion matters just as much to me as anyone else.
Speaker 8We are brothers. We are brothers and sisters in this great fight, in this great emancipation, this emancipatory movement. And I really am just, I'm very proud, by the way, to be associated with everyone in the movement. I'm very encouraged. I'm very emboldened. You know, every great period of civilization, truly great period of civilization, has begun with what is happening now.
Speaker 8You know, it's very poetic and romantic to be at this moment in history and to know that we're muscling it into the bowels of the earth. We're not going away. You can't shut us up. They've done everything they can. And it's just, not working a movement of apostasy scares the shit out of them because they the cinema of government and the cinema of their control the magic lantern that's being casting their all-powerful image on the wall that they're doing on the screen all they can do they are doing and yet we're all waking up and yet we're all walking away so this election in my opinion which i think kind of ended our democracy this election
Speaker 8was a pyrrhic victory for them. And I think it scares the shit out of them. You saw, I saw an article today, it says, Donald Trump is having a little disagreement with Netanyahu. You know, he wants to end the war, and Netanyahu doesn't, and they're having, I'm like, ah ha ha. I know this kabuki theater. I know that you're scared, and you gotta give this appearance that, oh, you know, we're not completely owned by the Jewish supremacists.
Speaker 8Yeah, fuck you. I'm sorry. I don't normally curse, but it's obvious. So I'm very proud of what we're doing, but I don't really, I don't have a lot. I agree with Rabbi. I think we have to be smart. Now, I like this idea, but I really think we just, we have to intelligently define what we're talking about and how we comport ourselves.
Speaker 8That's true. If you want to show up to your local board meeting or whatever, I mean, that's fine. That's on you. But how we comport ourselves,
Speaker 7how we how we feel about being part of this awakening and also how we share these ideas out in the world that's the most important thing to me what do you think about that i think it's a great idea and i think that you know when we're on x um the people on here are extremely intelligent like david i've learned so much for you and i mean like i i love your philosophy i'm kind of get into that like we can get into it
Speaker 7you know, beginning of time, which people have talked about and all these other weird subjects. But the thing I thought about today was that people were actually getting depressed over the way the elections are going. And I think what you just said resonates, but then how do we do that down to the grassroots level? I mean, how do we get people to even think about these things?
Speaker 8Well, I would say keep talking about it, but also understand this is unstoppable, right? I don't want people to get despondent, but precisely the moment where you should be emboldened. This is the second Protestant revolution. I want to repeat that. This is the second Protestant revolution. The Protestants in 1517, when Martin Luther nailed his theses in the door, were merely protesting an ecumenical Catholic church that had lost its way.
Speaker 8become very authoritarian and very tyrannical. They were burning people to the stake with whom they disagreed. Well, that was under the guise of heresy. You were doing something heretical by questioning them, by disobeying them, by ignoring them. And in fact, that the Protestant Revolution was actually 200 years longer than people think.
Speaker 8They did it to Wyckoff and Jerome of Prague. They burned him at the stake. Well, they didn't get Wyckoff, but they burned Jerome of Prague at the stake. And they tried to entice Martin Luther to Rome because they wanted to kill him, too. And that's what they would do. They would do, and does this remind you of anybody?
Speaker 8They would say, oh, no, no, no, we're going to be nice to you. We'll give you these letters of safety when you come. And then when you get there, yeah, we lied about that. Bring out the firewood. Let's burn this mother, you know. Sorry, I'm just about to curse again. But let me ask you something. Are there Protestants today?
Speaker 8There was a counter-reformation even after the Protestant Revolution. They killed a lot of people. They did everything they could. They excommunicated them, by the way. Whenever you want to kill people, you have to proclaim moral inequivalence. You have to say that they're somehow less human than you, and therefore, we can do whatever we want with you.
Speaker 8You're an infidel of some sort, which means that you have ceded over that which constitutes your humanity. So we can do whatever we want. So my question for you is, are there Protestants today? And this is no slight on the Catholic Church, by the way, because the Catholic Church today isn't the one that I'm talking about.
Speaker 8But here's my question. Are there Protestants today? Did that revolution work? The answer is yes, because ultimately it was a movement of apostasy. We don't believe in you anymore. We just don't believe in you. That fairy dust that you're perfect, that fairy dust that you can't be questioned, that fairy dust that says we're evil just for the fact of questioning you is gone and there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 8And every time you come after us, every time you assassinate someone, every time you deplatform someone or whatever it is that you do, it just makes our point stronger. Every move you make. is a step towards your demise because your whole thing is built on lies and every lie in the history of human civilization has an expiration date and the lie of Jewish supremacy, of their right to rule us, is done.
Speaker 8It is over. Join the revolution. I promise you we're going to win. There is no chance. This is the way ideas move. It is inevitable. There is no chance that we're going to lose. So despondency, forget that.
Speaker 7join be proud i'm sorry but there was no reason for despondency what do you think about that hey listen i'm glad i've you know he did a segue and like um in his open up a space for us on this same topic so you just open up a door so calvin with his ideas in in sweden did he not uh start promoting switzerland yeah switzerland did he not promote no heidick laws
Speaker 8Well, that truth-teller shit, we'll know that. What happened was Calvinism kind of became the thing. He came after Martin Luther, and it's interesting because there was this dialectic. Most people, listen, everyone uses Hegelian dialectic wrong, but in this case, it's the right way to use it. There was this Hegelian dialectic between Protestantism and Catholicism, and John Calvin was sort of intermediary between that.
Speaker 8So it's funny because the Catholic Church kind of adopted a lot of things that Martin Luther felt, you know, they kind of... you know, got their head right on some things and stopped being so, uh, this to stop with the indulgences and stuff like that, selling them. And then, uh, John Calvin was kind of like an intermediary between that.
Speaker 8So I don't know about the thing you said, but I, I'm pretty sure I know a guy who does the inimitable truth teller. So let's ask him that. And we have a chance.
Speaker 7Yeah. The whole thing is like in open up a space for us to talk about this whole thing with the influence on Puritans and whatnot. And so it's just curious how you're, you know,
Speaker 8I do want to say this, too. There was a movement the last time Jewish supremacy ruled. There was a movement, and I can't remember the guy's name, but he founded a movement that was just diametrically opposed to them. In fact, they called him a heretic. And he had a space. I don't think it was an X. I think it was actually a physical space.
Speaker 8And he had these 12 guys. It was a very small, small movement. And his name was Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, I just remembered his name. And he had just a few followers, okay? So they weren't despondent, right? See, the thing is, when you fight for right, you cannot be wrong. Doesn't it feel good? Isn't it exciting? I mean, don't you want to answer the bell of history?
Speaker 8Don't you want to look back at history and think of all the people that you admired? And now you get to be one of those people. You get to stand up for the truth. You get to say the thing. Don't you want to be like, this is exciting. I'm very proud to be part of this movement, you know, and I don't really, I'm not really thinking so much winning and losing, but just preserving my own soul by standing up for right versus wrong, for good versus evil, for truth versus lies.
Speaker 8So, you know, I don't really, I don't really know why anybody would be discouraged at this moment. I mean, this is the most encouraging thing. And if you don't believe me, listen to the way they're talking. You know, listen, they've got to stop us from talking. And I'm sorry, but it's just not going to happen.
Ian MalcolmDavid, am I am I wrong? And I love what you just said. And I sincerely believe that most people deep down. Right. The reason that people love going to cinema or reading great literature is because a part of them. wants to be part of those stories, right? They want to be an Avenger. They want to be a rebel, right? They want to be there against Voldemort holding their wand, whatever it is, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd here it is. Like it is right in front of all of us. The most noble thing that we could do to try and preserve that, which is freedom, it's liberty. It's the idea that essentially everybody is created equal. that they have dominion over themselves, that they should not be enslaved by not only an evil ideology, but one that literally relies on a pedophile ring in order to perpetuate itself, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd here we are. And so I sincerely believe that there is an excitement, there's a call to adventure for all of us to do the thing that we can, whatever it is that we can do to try and combat this, which is clearly evil, right? And so whether you're a fan of Arthur or any of the other you know, historical or literary figures, right?
Ian MalcolmThis is kind of our chance. It's almost like fate is knocking at the door and saying, you know, jump on the magic carpet or whatever else you want to envision will take us where we're going. But I do feel enthused and encouraged every day and not demoralized. I look at the monstrosity that we're against. And for some reason, I feel even more invigorated to do something about it and to try and be part of this with all of you.
Speaker 8And think of this, all of you have had cradle to the grave, or at least from the cradle so far, indoctrination. And it's been all around you. And yet you're still here. Listen to you. We're talking. We're awake. Doesn't that, how is this possible? How could this much propaganda, this much indoctrination? How could you be enveloped in it in your whole life and still be standing?
Speaker 8Don't you understand there is something in the human spirit where we rise above evility? I don't like all of the sort of, you know, evil movies or whatever, where somehow, you know, goodness is somehow feckless. It's not true. It takes one candle to put in a room and destroy the darkness. And you are that candle. And think about us in the thousands and the tens of thousands and the millions.
Speaker 8And that is what's happening. If you're demoralized, it's a trick of the devil, if we want to put it that way. It's a trick of those who deign to rule us, the evil, to make us demoralized, to make us think, to hypnotize us into thinking that we're not all powerful and they're not completely and utterly outnumbered and weak.
Speaker 7That's why we need to promote this space. And it's, like, cool. I just met you, like, what, a couple of months ago? This is the coolest space. You guys need, like, David and all these people. Like, this is, it's not, I mean, it is philosophical, but it's also, like, your moral compass type of conversation where you can say what you want to say, and then we can challenge you, and then we challenge our own feelings.
Speaker 7But, yeah, follow, retweet, God dang.
Ian MalcolmAnd let's bounce around and see if we got some questions and comments for Dave or for Dane or David or anybody else that's up here. And I want to certainly welcome Mr. Thomas and Andy to the stage if either of you guys want to jump in. And if not, we'll go to Drew or Carol.
@froemelandyI'll jump in quick. So, yeah, not Israel is trending on X because they're posting saying, like, why can't people acknowledge that? Israel is a problem. They can point out all the other foreign countries they don't like, but they'll always refuse to point out Israel. And after the Massey loss, they're saying Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, Jake Tapper are saying Thomas Massey was targeted for opposing Trump, not Israel.
@froemelandySo they're trying to push that lie. And it's so funny because APEC already trampled all over their lie by saying... Being pro-Israel is great politics.
Ian MalcolmWe won! Yeah. Did you see the post from Nancy Mace? She said, America first! Not Somalia! Not India! Not China!
@froemelandyNot anywhere else! You can't say Israel. Israel should be at the front of that list, and then Ukraine should probably be second.
Speaker 8But what about Margie Taylor Greene? Bless her soul. She posted out... APAC bragging on the victory and said, it's not an anti-Semitic trope. They're saying it themselves.
@froemelandyExactly. Like they don't even try to hide it. And that's kind of the terrifying thing. It's like, how close are they to completing their evil plan when they're just now admitting their control now? Like they didn't use to do this because there wasn't a movement against them. And now that there is, they're like rubbing it in our face.
@froemelandySo that's like the concerning thing. Like how close are they to accomplishing what they set out to do? Like whatever that is, whether it's the surveillance state with Palantir or whatnot. Did you see what Palantir posted today? Palantir welcomes the neurodivergence. So like it's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous.
@malleusigYeah. Well, it's what they want. They want to do is exterminate or lock us down. Right. But right now, what they've done is and they've been doing this for decades. is effectively making the situation where they're able to come out and openly taunt us openly say what they want to do with us and that is objectively hateful it's it would be recognized as objectively hateful word anyone else saying it about anyone else but they've managed to carve out in our psychology an exception right jewish exceptionalism has always been the issue they create a carve out for themselves in our brains where their their actions and words are judged
@malleusigfar differently than anyone else's. And the Holocaust and all the rigmarole about World War II and them being historically persecuted, blah, blah, blah, has always been part of that.
@froemelandyWell, that's why they have to put Holocaust exceptionalism and say, this is way worse than any other genocide. Even if you take the face value of the numbers, even if you take their numbers at face value, which we know is BS. Stalin ended up killing more people. Mao ended up killing more people. So you can't even take their argument seriously, even if we do accept their full totals.
@malleusigWell, you can't. And the thing is, even if you do accept the full totals and all of the incredible stories about people being frozen alive and broken into pieces in front of their grandchildren, or riding the death roller coaster into the ovens, or being forced to walk on the electrified floor that vaporized the bodies, right?
@malleusigAny of this shit. right? Even if you accept all of that stuff, it does not excuse the fact that they're committing a genocide right now in front of us. And the whole point of it is to get us to consent to the genocide, right? The whole idea is that, well, genocides are okay as long as Jews are doing it to non-Jews. That's like straight up, like in the most plain English you can come up with, right?
@malleusigThat's the logic that we are being asked to accept. That's the situation we're being asked to accept. And the reason why... is because that genocide is going to be done to us eventually. And they need us to consent to the genocide of us, non-Jews, at the hands of them, the Jews, because they have some kind of ethnic claim to superiority.
@malleusigAnd that's the whole thing. And they don't win until they kill us, until they actually finish that genocide, they kill us, and we consent to it.
@froemelandyas they're shooting us in the face all right oh that's the point cam higby posted about how some muslim dm'd him and said like you know the jews are genociding us and they want to genocide you guys too referring to white people and then cam higby posted the exchange all he's doing is making i'm glad him cam higby posted exchange because all he's doing is making more people have that idea in their head that they do want to genocide white people and then people are going to do research and inevitably find their way to people like truce or ian spaces
@malleusigYeah, I mean, the whole thing is like, you see that bit in Sopranos where the Sopranos, they hire blacks to kill people they want to kill and they don't want to get back to them. You know what I'm talking about? And then when the assassination is done, they kill the blacks, right? That's who we are. We're the blacks in this scenario.
@malleusigWe're the black assassins. We're being used to help them or to overtly kill the Iranians for them, for Israel. And when the job is done, they're going to kill us. And then they can walk away with their hands completely free. Like, well, we didn't kill the Iranians. We didn't kill the Muslims. It was the Americans. Blame them.
@malleusigBut look, they get what they deserve. So everything's fine. We punish them for you.
Speaker 9That's so true. That's so true.
@malleusigYeah. And I'm sorry, but I'm not accepting that. I'm going to stick to the same, ironically enough, the same moral framework that was projected onto me and taught to me by Jewish media, by Jewish Hollywood. Genocide bad. It's not a hard one to accept. Race isn't bad. Not a hard one to accept. So if I see even Jews, even Jews, right?
@malleusigI know they're supposed to have this crazy exceptionalist carve out, but even if I see Jews that are engaging in racism or genocide, I'm still going to call out. And that's when they cry in December. Because you're not supposed, you're supposed to be okay with their genocide. You're supposed to be okay with their racism, with their ethnocentralism.
@malleusigRight. With their apartheid. That's supposed to be OK. The whole trick was they thought with this genocide propaganda, with the Nazi propaganda, with the Holocaust, you know, kind of like mass traumatization campaigns they ran on schoolchildren. They thought and this actually shows something about their mentality that is is not talked about enough.
@malleusigThey thought that by showing us the genocide that was committed on them, they were teaching us to hate Germans. It wasn't. They didn't even realize that they were teaching us to hate genocide and that that would come and bite them in the ass later when they tried to commit their own. They thought that we would just hate the Germans and then they would use that hatred.
@malleusigThey used the same techniques to hate the Arabs. blah, blah, blah. If you look at movies like True Lies, right, any movie from the 90s, you have a Middle Eastern terrorist villain. Their teaching is the same thing. They were teaching us to hate terrorism. They didn't know it. They thought they were teaching us to hate Arabs.
@malleusigBut in reality, the lesson we were taking from that is we hate terrorism. And this is what the Jewish mind can't understand. The Jewish mind cannot understand a completely non-biased view of the world. It cannot understand hating terrorism as terrorism. It cannot understand hating genocide per se. Jews can only understand hating genocide when it's being done to them.
@malleusigThey can only understand hating terrorism when it's being done to them. They love genocide when it's them doing it to other people. They love terrorism when it's them doing it to other people. And this partisan biased mental framework is something they can't break out of. They don't get it. And so their indoctrination campaign has been their downfall because we've taken from their campaign, not Jews good, Germans bad, Jews good, Arabs bad.
@malleusigWe've taken from it genocide bad, no matter who does it. Terrorism bad, no matter who does it. And this is why we're being called into the lights now.
Speaker 9Can I hop in?
Speaker 10Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 9Go on, man. Thank you. I just wanted to hop on here and kind of add to that. And I just wanted to add that, oh, can you guys hear me?
Speaker 11Yeah.
Speaker 9We can. Everything is fine, man.
Speaker 11Go ahead. Can you guys hear him?
@malleusigGet Oprah, are you okay?
@joann_marieOkay, yeah, I'm going to recycle.
Speaker 3All right, let me jump in really quick here. Yeah, go for it. That's a really great space, Ian and Joanne. Thank you guys for giving me a mic. Dane, I've never heard of you, but I think it's a really important conversation, given Massey's kind of loss. You know, this is, you know, I'm not like a... advocate for Massey.
Speaker 3I think, uh, I like Massey. He's, he's definitely one of the best congressmen we have or had anyway, he'll be there for another seven months, I guess. Um, but you know, he's across like six Congresses, you know, he's passed, you know, a handful of amendments that were really important, you know, against, uh, uh, all, all sorts of stuff with COVID he did.
Speaker 3Um, you know, I had, I had a full list. I was talking about it in the space yesterday. Um, But I think what's what's what I heard yesterday was kind of, you know, it was disappointing is to hear like that, that that horizontal kind of attacking that people were going after the boomers or the idiot voters in Kentucky. And in the same breath, they'd be saying, you know, voting doesn't matter as you can't.
Speaker 3We have to kind of get past this idea that, you know, you can't really condemn these people. saying their vote doesn't matter, and then condemn them, you know, their vote has no power. I think that's a real problem. Like, we're not being, like, listened to. We're not being represented anymore. So to me, America First is going to take a fair amount of community and that in-group psychopathy that the Jewish people have utilized to become so successful.
Speaker 8Out-group psychopathy.
Speaker 3Sorry, sorry. Yes.
Speaker 8Yeah, they're fine with themselves.
Ian MalcolmWell, I mean, every now and then, David, they do weaponize it amongst one another. It's the vampires attacking the vampires and then realizing there's no blood to be had.
Speaker 8Yeah, sorry, Thomas.
Speaker 3Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no, sorry. I just mean that we need to work together in a way that I don't think we have been. And you just see it with this dichotomy is with the Nick Fuentes, Blazerian thing. I don't think that we have real leaders in this movement. And I think that's why these conversations are important. And we need to kind of flesh out who these real leaders are.
Speaker 3And a lot of people come to these issues in different ways. And there's different kind of, I guess there's a different foundation that everybody brings to these conversations, which is why these forums are important. But it was very disheartening to see us, again, kind of punching horizontally rather than punching up. This administration has been given a mandate, and we're not talking about the trillions of dollars that they're siphoning from the middle class and the wars and all this.
Speaker 3We're talking about nonsense. And I think that really, if we are going to somehow facilitate some kind of change, It's going to take real collectivism. There's going to have to be an American PAC for American needs. We're going to have to build our own candidates. We're going to have to put people in positions. And we're going to have to really come together to do that.
Speaker 3If that's the option. If it's not, I think there's two sides of this coin. You have to completely disavow the system, if not. We have to extract what we can from it and build something parallel using the system, I think, and boycott all of the wrongs that are being committed in our name. Because I think the debt and what they have facilitated, it's a moral document.
Speaker 3We continue to facilitate... And we're complicit in these atrocities by taking part in this system. So I think that if you think voting is the way and the path and the way forward, more power to you. I think we may be past that. But the only way that we're going to fix that is, again, through really coming together, really pushing our resources in the right direction.
Speaker 3Because we just keep on getting let down. And I think this thing, like this guy, Ed Galrain, he does not represent the people of Kentucky. It's disheartening to see so much money and so much power go, I mean, a foreign nation subverting a congressional race in a small district in Kentucky. It's devastating to see. like that happening.
Speaker 3And that's not like the biggest story and that people aren't, you know, the pitchfork should have come out a long time ago at this point. But again, I like to say, don't get a kinetic, get animated. It's very important. I think the rhetoric is very important. The government's watching you. So act like it. Um, but we need to come together.
Speaker 3There's no way that, you know, and with Robert Frost, the best way out is always through. And, uh, we need to somehow, you know, you know, laundry list and, and really, you know, facilitate a better change, because it's not going to happen from these vultures in Washington. They don't represent the American people. We're much more genuine and well-meaning and moral than they ever will be.
Speaker 3So I think that's important to say. We can't keep attacking each other when these things don't go our way. They're rigged against us. They're not going to go our way. These people are spending billions of dollars. We don't have the capacity to facilitate what they are doing. again, they're siphoning trillions of dollars from us at the same time.
Speaker 3So it's, I mean, and that's not like a typo. You know, Trump has just written an executive order to democratize 401k assets to, you know, take essentially $12 trillion out of our 401k. It's a very stable market to, you know, bail out the rickety private equity firms, you know, KKR, Apollo Global Management, Blackstone.
Speaker 3So what they're doing on top of the human rights abuses, on top of the insider trading and the egregious way they're just literally robbing us. So we really need to wake up and we're going to have to come together or it's not going to get better. Thank you guys. I'll end there.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Thomas. I thought Massey was going to win because I thought they were going to give you guys a little win. Because if you guys don't get any wins at all, ever, things might go kinetic. And I don't think they want people to go kinetic. You guys have not gotten a single win in ages. Has there been any wins in the past two years?
@joann_marieIt's like a pressure cooker. So that is scary to me, because I also do not want it to be kinetic. Of course, I want people to wake up, but I think this is going to radicalize a lot of people, and some of them might not do it in a positive way, and that is pretty scary. But, I mean, I don't know.
Ian MalcolmDavid and Dane, on Joanne's point there, I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on... the prospect that, and I've been thinking about this for a while, which is that they have essentially moved past the subversion phase, right? They have now gotten to the point where they're going to push the demoralization so heavily that for anybody and everybody that doesn't see the cause that we speak to, they are going to normalize the insanity that they are just ruled over, that they're just supposed to accept it.
Ian MalcolmThis is how it's always been. right? The Epstein class, to use that phrase, right? That there's just always going to be a ruling class above you that does whatever they want and that they're going to normalize this. And if they get away with it long enough, there'll be a whole bunch of people that'll just roll over and say, well, I guess this is how it's always been.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I'm just curious for your thoughts, Dane, and then maybe David on that. And that maybe they're not even trying to hide it. Maybe they're actively doing things like this Massey win, like Joanne's speaking about, to force those of us that are awake into the pressure cooker, hoping that we do something radical so that they can then criminalize the act of discussing it while simultaneously just demoralizing anybody and everybody that's still stuck in the matrix.
@joann_marieJust really, really quick. The only reason why they kept getting away with it is because things weren't that bad, you know, with the boomers. They were able to, like, buy a house and, like, have, like, a normal job, go on vacations, like, buy cool things, you know. And now, like, literally people are, like, losing their shit on, like, opening glitter boxes, you know.
@joann_marieLike, there's not, like, that's not a fucking win. Like, people cannot work. They cannot have a family. They cannot... Buy a house. Nobody can do shit, so they cannot get away with this. Not a single thing has worked. Degeneracy is rampant. Nobody is able to buy anything. I don't know.
@malleusigIt's just... Yeah, but this is actually part of it, Joanne. See, change never comes around when people are comfortable. and this has been part of their strategy for the past 80 years, keep Americans as comfortable as possible. Because comfortable people don't step out of line. They don't give up their couch and their sports ball and their two-liter bottle of Coca-Cola.
@malleusigThey're like, well, no, things are good. Why should I change anything? It's only when times get tough that any change ever becomes possible. You only see revolutions when there are peasants starving in the streets. You only see that kind of thing. I really liked what David said earlier about this being a new Protestant revolution, because that's the situation we're looking at.
@malleusigWe're looking at a situation where, yes, people are beginning to really hurt. And for Americans, that is a new and foreign sensation. We have not really felt the pain of anything, not in any real sense, since like the 40s. We had like a slight downturn in the 70s and, you know, we had the 2008 crisis, but a couple of people lost their jobs.
@malleusigBut like your rebels weren't starving in the streets, right? There was no polio going around killing people. We haven't had real pain, not in the sense that the rest of the world feels it for a very long time. And that's why this is happening. I think this is part of the catalyst for this discussion to go out more. I'm having normies come up to me and ask me if they want to, if we condition the Jews.
@malleusigIt's crazy. Like people that I meet in the street just start talking with. They're like, hey, how about those Jews, man? I was like, oh, fuck yeah. I'm ready to talk about this. Let's have a real conversation about it. This is great. And the Jewish side comes up and says, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. You know, when everything starts to go bad, you always blame the Jews.
@malleusigAnd it's like, yeah, well, that's kind of because, you know, no one really complains about termites when the house is sound, right? People only begin to look for the termites in the rafters and the load-bearing walls, right? after the termites have dug enough holes through them that the house starts to shake and collapse.
@malleusigAnd that's when you find them because that's when you look for them. So yes, people blame things on the Jews when things go sour because that's when people stop forgiving the Jews for making things go sour. We're totally fine with Jews controlling Hollywood as long as they're making good movies. We're totally fine with Jews controlling Wall Street as long as they're making decisions with the money that benefit the rest of us.
@malleusigWe don't mind Jews controlling things as long as they're doing things that help us as well. It's only when they begin siphoning and contracting all of the wealth, anything good towards themselves and throwing their garbage at the rest of us that we say to ourselves, okay, maybe our forgiveness might have been misplaced.
@malleusigWe need to take care of this because now this is a problem, right? And yes, I'm sorry. It isn't always the Jews, but it is the Jews more often than not, unfortunately. And that is a realization that was very hard fought in my own mind, but which I finally had to give in to, okay? There's no way around it. There's literally no way around this.
@malleusigAnd I will debate anyone that wants to take me out on that. That is... Absolutely ridiculous to claim this is some kind of long-standing existing bias. Absolute bullshit. But I'll hand it back to you guys. Go ahead.
Speaker 9Yeah, I just wanted to add, this is why it's so important to build our parallel institutions.
@joann_marieYeah, but hold on.
Speaker 9I was going to ask Dana a question. Can I ask Dana a question? I'm a huge fan. I really loved your videos. They really inspired me. I'm getting motivated. I'm doing things in real life now. I used to be a huge fan of Nick Fuentes and the Groypers and stuff. And just ever since Charlie Kirk got killed by Israel, he's just turned and I don't understand it.
Speaker 9And you brought so much clarity in your videos the other week. And I just finally see the need for strong, masculine leaders. in the American first movement and we can't be led by, you know, these weird gay cat boys anymore. And, um, yeah, I just, I wanted some advice cause, um, like you inspired me to hit the gym and, uh, I I've lost like 15 pounds in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 9And, um, I'm, I'm down closer to my goal weight of like four 30. Um, and, uh, I, I wanted to, uh, I wanted to ask if you, Yeah. I'm working on it. That's my goal weight for right now. I wanted to ask if you had any advice about me sprucing up my double wide trailer. I had a shed too. I just bought a trailer.
Ian MalcolmWhat happened to the shed?
Speaker 9It burned down. How did that happen? You can't... I left my iPhone charging in the wall, and I fell asleep in it.
Ian MalcolmWhich generation iPhone? Was it the 4 or the 5?
Speaker 9Well, I did the electrical work in the shed myself, and it kind of... Things went haywire.
Ian MalcolmWas that USB or USB-C? Because the latter, that can happen.
Speaker 9Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I was kind of new to the electrical stuff, so something happened with the... with the phone charger and my shed burned down, but I got, I got, that would have fixed it. Yeah. So, so now, you know, me and my, uh, me and my nine kids are living in the trailer now.
Ian MalcolmYou need like 19.
Speaker 9That's true. Actually. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
Ian MalcolmHow many years would it take you to have seven more?
Speaker 9Uh, I don't know. Eight, eight years. Okay.
Speaker 9Anyways, I just love some advice, some DIY advice from Dane on sprucing up my double wide trailer.
@deepdiverdaneYes, sir. Well, I will address your magnificent troll. Like I said, the Gropers are great at trolling and I love it. So, I mean, don't get me wrong. I get what your points are. You know, a clarification on this. Everybody seemed to think that when I said that we needed strong, masculine men, that that was an immediate assertion or exclusionary claim that if you can't bench press 315 or you don't eat.
@deepdiverdanefucking straight vitamins all day long, then you're not healthy in spirit to be able to participate. Not at all. Not at all. I do think that there's nothing wrong with promoting the ideals of strength amongst our men. We must do that. I'm unashamed of that. If there are people who aren't strong and are insecure about that.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, it's not my problem to worry about their feelings. I mean, the obligation for the class of warriors is to promote those ideals. So I do. I think that you have to, like I said in a previous video recently, that you have to have a huge bench press or be an accomplished MMA fighter or something like that. Like everybody's built different.
@deepdiverdaneEverybody has different things to offer to the table. Uh, I don't think, you know, that if you eat some McDonald's like homie, dude, I've been fat as fuck. I encourage you guys. I'm sure there's something out there somewhere and I'm probably burying myself right now, but I've been pretty fat before. I'm sure there's a picture floating somewhere.
@deepdiverdaneUh, I am not, you know, I don't view myself in an egotistical way that I'm like, I am the picture perfect. And I wasn't even trying to push that ideal. Um, I'm just saying we, we must encourage ourselves to be the best versions of ourselves that gives us the greatest strength and the greatest courage. And, uh, you know, when, when you're truly following Christ and giving your life completely and totally to forwarding the kingdom, you realize that your obligation to yourself is to be the best version of yourself and you can best serve forwarding the kingdom when you are in that form.
@deepdiverdaneSo that, that's really my point. Uh, you know, I, I loved a lot of the trolls about the tattoos and I, you know, I'll, I'll tell the truth on that. Or are people trolling me about being in the service? And I recognize some of those points are valid as far as, you know, your participation in the service only serves foreign interest.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, bro, I don't think people realize, like, the GWAT class of veterans, we all know that. Like, dude, I was a 17-year-old kid who signed up for the Army. I was ignorant to geopolitics. I was a patriot. I wanted to be in the service. My dad was a Marine. My uncle was an air assault. army infantry and i wanted to serve the nation so i was fired up to do that and my will and my intent was pure in that uh ultimately you know that conflict that i served in uh if i could go back i i don't know my perspective has changed i don't support it i openly acknowledge that it takes courage to do that and we see that from the veteran class
@deepdiverdaneAs far as my whole tattoos, a bunch of people thought, oh, this guy's projecting. Bro, I was an 18-year-old kid. Almost all of my tattoos happened in a one-year time span. I was picking stuff off the wall. Yeah, I suppose in a way at that time in my life and in my mental space at that time, I was a young kid and I did want to project.
@deepdiverdaneI was a warrior. I wanted to be that guy. If I could go back, I wouldn't have any tattoos. Unfortunately, I have them. Some of them are cool. Some of them are gay. It is what it is. But this idea that people are thinking that I'm making an exclusionary claim that's like, you know, where I'm excluding Nick simply based on the fact that he can't bend so much or anything like that.
@deepdiverdaneThat's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. We can't be so sensitive. We need to be able to promote these ideals. And honestly, if you have a good community with you and in the America First movement, like the gentleman earlier was saying, we do need to build the community. This should be a common theme. We should be pushing ourselves constantly to be the best version of ourselves.
@deepdiverdaneI won't beat a dead horse on that, but that was a good troll. He's talking about when I first moved to my land, I moved out, got 30 acres over in the mountains over here. And when me and my wife first moved here, I was waiting on the house to be built. We had four months, about a four month timeline. I said, screw it. And I bought a, I think it was a 12 by 24 shed.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I put tongue and groove on the walls, floor down. We put a fireplace in there. And we lived like off the land, kind of pioneer style for a few months. And it was a great time. It was awesome. It was cool. And then we moved into the house. But I caught a whole bunch of shit about that. Typical Grouper trolling, you know.
@deepdiverdaneYou live in a shed, but... Rose, I'm just a regular dude. I do have an ego. My ego is Christ. So when I'm having conversations or presenting myself or anything that we do in the movement, of course, we should be loving. We should be humble. We should have some humility. We should enter everything in good faith. But ultimately, there is a time to turn your ego on, and that is when you are fighting evil.
@deepdiverdaneThat is when you are in that battle. Because guess what, bro? When I'm fighting evil, when I'm pressing against people who are moving against my country or a threat to my family or a threat to my people, motherfucker, I'll beat Mike Tyson. I don't give a shit. I'm in the battle. I'm the strongest that there is. Christ is king.
@deepdiverdaneHe gives me my power. That's the energy that we should have. Yes, you should project ego. Yes, you should project strength. when you are in the battle against evil, and that is when it is appropriate. Just like Christ says, we're a mix between the lion and the lamb. We must be gentle with the broken, but we must be ruthless with evil.
@deepdiverdaneWe must be able to flip fucking tables and simultaneously be able to hold a child and comfort them. So there's a balance there, and I'm not trying to be all Mr. Poetic or anything, but this is the truth. So I'm not perfect. I know in my life I've definitely done some projection and things like that, but my intent moving forward is just to press these ideas, share them, prove who we are as a movement, grow it, build it, solidify it, and win.
@deepdiverdaneSo that's my take on that. Appreciate your question.
Speaker 9I appreciate it. I've done my fair share of flipping tables. When I got charged $40 for a pizza in the city, I flipped the table.
@deepdiverdaneOne more real quick, and that's a good joke. I saw some of those jokes. Listen, it's very simple, guys. When I said that, let's not play stupid here. There is definitely a theme, and I talked about this earlier in depth, so I'm not going to beat it at horse. I know I ranted quite a bit earlier when I was given the chance to do so.
@deepdiverdaneBut the cynical, the mockery of, like, the Southern culture or the rural class of America and whatnot that comes out of the America First movement, I get it. There's a lot of guys that live in the... you know, quote-unquote cultural centers, and they're all about, you know, dressing a very specific way, and that's fine, and I'm actually not even really throwing hate at that, but in good fun, I was poking fun at the fact, I think I said in the video, I said, you know, while you guys are, you know, for example, Nick, driving around in your little Mario car in fucking Chicago, swerving not to hit Third World or shitting in the streets on your way to spend $150 on a fucking pizza three fucking hours away, even though it's only two blocks away...
@deepdiverdaneWhat I'm saying is, yes, we have a different take on what a good life is, I suppose. Dude, I'm for open land. I'm for country folk. I'm for Christian rural folk. I like gardens. I like farmer's markets. I like 98 percentile white communities who are all very kind and wave to each other. Yeah, that's my take as far as what my vision for a great climate is.
@deepdiverdaneI fucking hate cities. And yeah, I am disgusted by the culture that happens in cities sometimes. And that's not to be... The difference is that I say that in good fun, kind of, because I want to ally it with all people, anybody who sees the movement and who wants to serve Christ for the kingdom. So if that's your taste, that's fine.
@deepdiverdaneBut we do need to eradicate this idea. And that's what I was talking about.
Ian MalcolmIntellectually, I just want to be very specific with that word.
Ian MalcolmYes. What did you say, sir? I was just saying, I was adding intellectually to the term eradicate. I just wanted to be specific for Assad.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, no, no, no, I understand that. And I just think we need a nationalist movement. We've seen it before in history, the successful ones. You know, that's a core tenet of successful nationalist movements is getting rid of the class division or the idea that the man that works with his hands is not as good as the intellectual who can speak really well.
@deepdiverdaneThere needs to be a balance because, you know, I've dropped the Seneca quote quite a few times, and I think Mr. David Nietzsche, who seems to be rather very intelligent, would like this one. Seneca says, you know, a society that separates its warriors from its scholars will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.
@deepdiverdaneSo my main thing that I'm pressing there and good fun, I make fun of certain things. But the truth is, I'm saying we must have a balance. OK, and one of the Gropers had a great roast. He was like, well, we can give Nick Quintus steroids, but we can't give you fucking brain cells. You know, that's great. That is funny. You know, I've never said that I'm as eloquently spoken as Nick Fuentes.
@deepdiverdaneHe is a master in that, and credit given where it's credit due. You know how much fucking cooler it would be, though, you know, if there was more balance there. That's all I'm saying. So, you know, I'm not going to beat a dead horse on that either, but, you know, that's my response. Appreciate you.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Dane. All right, let's go to a couple of more hands. Carol, welcome. Go for it.
@zoller_car18133Hi, I'm Julianne Ian. Hey, it's just something I've been thinking about for the last couple weeks. You know, as far as evil, what overcomes evil is basically love, right?
Speaker 12Well, I would say the antipode of hate is love, and then I guess goodness overcomes evil, right?
@zoller_car18133Goodness. Crap. Goodness overcomes evil. That's a good way to put it. And that's what I was thinking about.
@zoller_car18133I feel like our government is fighting with us. Hold on.
Speaker 12Let me jot this down.
@zoller_car18133That we obviously did something to... really upset them in some sort of way. I don't know what way that was.
Speaker 9Could you slow down? You're talking too fast. I can't understand.
@zoller_car18133Sure.
Speaker 8Well, I guess it sounds like what you're trying to say is that I mean, look, government assumes a monopoly on violence and thus the capacity to control everyone. And since we have modern taxation, that is the manner in which it enslaves us by decimal points, enslaves us, and we don't like that. So when you say government doesn't like us, I don't think the flea wants the death of the dog, I just think it wants more blood, and I don't think that it's, I think it's going to have a natural antagonism to people who want it to stop immiserating them, right?
Speaker 8I mean, to people who want to be emancipated from what it's doing, And especially given that a cabal of people that have no interest in us, you know, these aren't, as you've heard me say, incompetent firemen. These are dedicated arsonists. So, of course, they don't like us. I don't know, like, yes, I mean, the same government that wants to, you know, promote trans and schools doesn't like us.
Speaker 8So, I guess, I think we all know this, right? I mean, this is an obviousity, right?
@zoller_car18133I don't think that they like us anymore.
Speaker 8No, I wasn't saying they don't like us. I was saying they really hate us, okay?
@zoller_car18133I would say they really hate us, correct. Okay.
Speaker 8With you so far.
@zoller_car18133But I also think that the power of God oversees all this. And I have to wonder if we flip the scripts on our government who keeps mocking us and ridiculing us. And like you said, with all the posts that came out today, you know.
Speaker 9Carol, can you please slow down? I can't understand.
@joann_marieNo, hold on.
@zoller_car18133Go for it, Carol. That we flip the script on the government and we start showing them not the power of man. who you were talking about, that man has to be strong and lift so many weights and the woman has to basically stay in the kitchen and know her place is what I had heard tonight.
Speaker 8You're kind of making that point.
@malleusigI'm having real difficulty following you, Trey, and I'm not making fun of your speed of speech or anything. It sounds like logically you're just kind of all over the map.
Speaker 8Why don't we just land it here?
@zoller_car18133Yes, we need to stand up for... My thought is that we come together and we use our religion, whatever that may be, whether Muslim, Christian, And we show our government the power of prayer.
@malleusigGood idea. How are you going to do it? How does it work? We're going to go to the White House and pray?
@zoller_car18133That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that everybody... Carl, I don't think that's going to work.
@joann_marieWe're literally going against psychopaths. But thank you so much for coming up, though. All right. And guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and Dane and our amazing, amazing speakers. And thank you so much for being here. Sorry, Rabbi, go for it.
@malleusigNo, thanks. I was just going to point out, it's like, listen, this is exactly the mindset that is going to kill us. It's going to bury us. This idea that if we just kind of like all, oh, God, if we just get together and really, really believe in Jesus, it's all going to work out. Like, no, it's not going to. I think you should believe in Jesus.
@malleusigbut I don't think it's going to be the deciding factor. Wait, hang on.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, you're telling me the Care Bear Stare will not take down the evil empire of the Jews?
@joann_marieI tried.
Ian MalcolmNo, Carol was wonderful and point taken. Some religion, some wholesomeness, that is a very good thing to infuse into this. I'm with Rabbi. I don't think it will ultimately win the day, but it's a good idea.
@malleusigIt's not the whole thing. It's not the whole story. You need to have more. You can definitely base it around that, and you can use it as a point of coordination and a way to bond yourselves together, but it's not going to accomplish the entire thing for you. Again, the K-breasted only works in a cartoon. That's why they taught it to the kids.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you, Rai. Let's go to the next. John Smith, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 13Hey, guys. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk. So I just want to ask someone to David what he said about being demoralized. Do you guys hear me okay?
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 13Okay. So about being demoralized, about what's going on. So I'm on a homestead here. I have like seven acres in South Carolina. So he's saying we don't want to be demoralized, right? So we have all this spraying going on, the drought, the manipulation of the weather, the data centers that are sucking up and destroying our water.
Speaker 13Our water tables. There's a million different things they're doing destroying the natural world. How... I need some help to not be in despair about what's going on when I can't grow... I'm really trying... I'm like, I planted a wheat field. I'm planting corn. I'm trying to get... We're about to spend $18,000 to get a well dug on our property.
Speaker 13So it's really hard not being in despair when I see all this stuff going on. Like... How can I not be in despair with what's going on? You know what I mean? So that's my question to David about the despair.
Speaker 8Well, being in despair and being demoralized are two different things. If you demoralize someone, then you take away their spiritual power to resist you because it is with their moral strength that they muster up the courage to fight, to resist. And that's why that, of course, you want people to become addicted to pornography.
Speaker 8You want people just not believe in themselves. You want people to think that there is no chance for their emancipation. You want them to be despondent. And that's very, very different from someone who is suffering real hardship, like you mentioned. By the way, for what it's worth, I think you've got the next seven days of rain coming.
Speaker 8So I hope that helps you.
Speaker 13Yeah, well, I mean, man, if you're looking at the weather, dude, like, every day they say it's going to rain. Like, I'm looking at the weather every day. You know what I mean? They're like, there's an inch of rain coming, there's an inch and a half of rain coming, then I see them spraying all the time. You know what I mean?
Speaker 13Then it's gone down to half an inch, and then it's not going to rain. You know what I mean? So, like, that's got nothing to do with pornography. You know what I mean? No, no. Yeah, but I would just... That's like, that's the whole thing is, is these motherfuckers are spraying this shit in our sky, and they're taking our ability away.
Speaker 13to grow food, how can I not be despondent or in despair about that? Or upset or like freaked out about that. I'm scared shitless. You know what I mean? Every single day. I've got like a three-year-old, I have a 10-year-old, and I've got a baby coming in fucking November. You know what I mean? How am I not going to be?
Speaker 14Well, if you have children, then obviously you won't be despondent because you don't have that choice, right?
Speaker 13I don't have a choice. Yeah, there's no choice. My choice is to do the best I can to make sure I can grow this food. That's why I'm doing it. This whole year, this last year, I've been following Malcolm like this last year. I've been on spaces with him and this last year. And my whole life has turned around. I'm like, I need to grow shit for my family.
Speaker 13And I need to make sure we can have, we can sustain on this piece of land that we have. And they're taking our ability away from us to do that. So how is that not like, how can I not be in despair when this shit continues to happen? Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
@malleusigIf I can help, it's just, listen, you need to reach out and find people in real life. Because it's very easy to be demoralized and despondent when you're isolated. You need to go and find people. that you can't be the only person that's worried about this. There's gotta be more people. I don't know where you live or how far away your neighbors are, but you gotta find people in real life that you can hook up with and you can watch out for each other.
@malleusigThis is why Jews always live in cities. They live close together because they can all get to the temple every Saturday. And the temple is more than what church is for you and I. The temple is they get together, they share information, They give each other real estate tips. They give each other stock tips. They talk about the best ways to benefit themselves at the expense of us.
@malleusigMeanwhile, white Gentiles are out there on a farm eight miles away from their nearest neighbor and unable to get together in any large meaningful number to conspire, right? And this is how they've always won. So you have to figure out who you can conspire with. Like conspiracy, conspiracy is no longer a moral peril to be avoided.
@malleusigconspiracy has become a tactical necessity, right? The reason white European Gentiles are losing right now is because we do not conspire and everyone else does. Somalis, Jews, Chinese, Africans, you know, Lebanese, Kurdish, all these people that are coming into our country, right? The Mexicans, they're coming in because they come from a prudent mindset where conspiracy is the default mode of organization.
@malleusigYou understand that?
Speaker 13yeah that's not a question at all dude you know what i mean like that doesn't like like i know people around me i know people within 10 miles of me and we have we're on the same game plan and we understand what's going on and like this guy's like hey i'm i picked up this garlic from a 100 year old house and and he's going to share his garlic sprouts with me you know what i mean that's that's the sort of that's important to me you know what i mean but how yeah but how is that going to stop the spraying us and and and making our crops go dry because we're not getting rain and our water table
Speaker 13floods up. You know what I mean? And we don't have a water table anymore. How is that going to help us?
@malleusigWell, you've got to figure it out, man. I don't know. I'm not a farmer. I don't know how to deal with water tables. It doesn't matter if you're not a farmer.
Ian MalcolmThat's our whole lives, man. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let's get a reset here, and then we're going to throw this actually either to Rabbi or to David. And the reason that I say that, John, is because I agree with you. There are a lot of things that are very concerning. A hundred percent. There are psychopathic people in control of basically everything that essentially view us as slaves that think if we're not willing to cooperate with being enslaved that we are essentially deserving of none of our liberties, if not death, right?
Ian MalcolmThey are going to control every ounce of the media, of academia, of all of the financial instruments to force that worldview, right? And that is terrifying. But the piece that is very reassuring, is that, well, I suppose two things. Number one, people are starting to wake up to this reality, right? You're in this room.
Ian MalcolmYou found this channel where we discuss these issues. And as a result, we're putting up a resistance to this. It's not going to fix things tomorrow, right? But we are making our efforts and our inroads to try and reverse the tide, right? And the other thing is not only are we in the process of doing that, but throughout history over and over and over and over and over again.
Ian MalcolmThis exact process took place. And every single time, it did not end with our people being enslaved by this psychopathic group of individuals. Every single time, right? The world essentially healed itself to some extent for some period of time. And then ultimately, things would work their way back in. The subversion would take place again.
Ian MalcolmAnd you would have this exact same rinse and repeat process, right? So we are at a darker hour. And the sun is going down on the liberties, right? But the sun going down means that the sun is going to come back up the other direction. And I think that actually the sun's not going down. The sun went down a long time ago.
Ian MalcolmIt actually probably, it began kind of to go beyond the horizon after World War II. And now it has gone around the earth. It's coming around the other direction. And now the sun is going to rise. Right. And so we in this room are we are the horizon line and we are the glimmer of light that is coming up over top of it. And I know that that sounds very cheesy and very corny.
Ian MalcolmRight. But despite the fact that it is it is still very dark, it's always darkest before the dawn. And we are the dawn. We are the change. We are the light. And so we should be very, very concerned because we've got a monumental task in front of us, which is literally lifting up the sun. But we're going to do it. And that's not just blind optimism that is based again on every aspect of history.
Ian MalcolmIt is human nature for perhaps this one group to try and do what they're doing and for our group to say, no, we're done. And so do not be ever despondent. I couldn't agree with Rabbi Moore. Try to band together as best you can with like-minded individuals virtually, but also in your community. Try to find people that you can love and that love you.
Ian Malcolmand try to recognize that at the end of the day, it's the old prayer, right? The serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things that I can, the wisdom to know the difference. And if we apply those three things, well, then we've got a whole lot of wisdom in here. I believe we've got a whole lot of courage.
Ian MalcolmAnd at times we need a little bit of serenity to accept that there are a whole lot of things out of our hands, like Thomas Massey's loss. We perhaps could not change that. We don't have enough power yet to do that, but we are... We are building it brick by brick by brick, my friend.
@deepdiverdaneCan I sprinkle that in?
Ian MalcolmOf course.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, I noticed we were talking a little bit earlier about the cycle and everything, and you kind of just mentioned it, and I would reference nothing is new under the sun. It almost seems to be the never-ending cycle. Everybody knows the weak men that create hard times. The hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, all of that.
@deepdiverdaneBut, you know, I think there is a lot of weight to the point that things have to get worse usually before they get better. If we see in the history of nationalist movements, the real work begins when the despair occurs. And just a quick one of the 20th century, just kind of the idea of following Germany after the Treaty of Versailles, World War I, all that goes down.
@deepdiverdaneWe think we are in a bad spot. Let's talk about the suicide epidemic. Let's talk about the barrels full of money to buy a loaf of bread real quick before it goes up to two barrels an hour later. Let's talk about the starving people on the streets and the worthless currency and all these things. When your society gets in a position...
@deepdiverdanethat there is no way but up is usually when you see the drastic trajectory towards up. So, I mean, they literally had communists and Marxists and nationalists shooting at each other in the streets. We think we see civil disorder. So my take on that is, of course, you hope it doesn't get to that point. But I think we live in a bubble of reality that people don't realize.
@deepdiverdaneAnd this is one of the things that I've commented several times on as far as in real life action. You know, I'm in the spirit. of my founders and when i say that is what i mean is that if it comes down to it uh you know if things are kinetic then and then that's necessary to forward the kingdom and to save our people of course that's our obligation to do that we try to try not to get to that point but history shows it usually comes to that so we will see what the trajectory is but we just need to remember one thing and that is that we have to have the courage to act appropriately at the time not overreact but you must know when the line has been crossed and so my point
@deepdiverdaneWith that whole thing is this is a never ending cycle. We see it time and again. As you said, the sun shot around and now it is rising again. We will be in control of our destiny. And I think the difference between this nationalist movement that we're in right now compared to other ones is. So long as we place the proper leaders in positions of power that guide and direct our country, where some other nationalist movements, whether it's true or not, whether this narrative has been manipulated or not, this is up for debate.
@deepdiverdaneBut usually they seem not to be able to stop at control of their own country. Right. I think if America recognizes that we must take full and complete control of our destiny, our country, our people. Right. And then we stop there and we and we forward our founders vision, which was not imperialism, but taking care of our own borders and all of these things.
@deepdiverdaneThen we can successfully, you know, push forward a dynasty of America first nationalist Christian. and just hold the line. And I said that's a huge difference between having the whole entire world against you. And our enemies often try to partner up and get the entire world to turn against anybody who tries to leave their system.
@deepdiverdaneWe also see that. So all these things to be keeping in mind. And my last point is to John Smith. I have a group in my community. I have strong community relations. We all do animal husbandry in our gardens and things like that. We have a great community called Community Self Reliance. And we get together and there's 40 or 50 people who live on rural homesteads and whatnot.
@deepdiverdaneAnd like I said, we equipment share. We share information. We spend time together. We break bread. We do communities. We have range days. We have rifle days. We have... you know, workouts. We have medical classes together. We do all those things that we can self rely on ourselves in the case that that's necessary. You just have to have faith in Christ and the perseverance to push through whatever comes.
@deepdiverdaneSo yeah, we're not going to be able to stop for the time being until we take our destiny into our own hands completely. We're not going to be able to stop people spraying stuff and doing this and that. But if you have a strong community, you'll make it through anything. So God bless you, sir.
Speaker 4Thank you, Dane. Why Powerade? Welcome, go for it.
Speaker 15Hey, so my name is Matt Clay. I'm still hiding behind a Powerade bottle, but yeah, not to backtrack on this, I'm just going to give a perspective on Dane since he's kind of new in the scene. I've known him for a little bit and not trying to freaking, you know, suck him off right now, but he... You know, he came up here to Tennessee out of the Army and worked with me for a while, about a decade ago.
Speaker 15Worked with me for a while, and he was one of the few dudes in this area that actually had a freaking open mind. Like, you know how, like, all of us probably in this space are, is we're kind of living our lives, and you kind of find these people that have the open mind that you can talk to about deeper shit than just left and right and stuff like that.
Speaker 15And so Dane came up here. He worked with me in construction for a while. And then he kind of went and married his wife and went on to Rogersville, which is a town over from me. And, you know, the craziest thing that I'm hearing... It's actually been hilarious listening to all these people call him a fad because literally me and Dane have been only shitting on...
Speaker 15feds for the past 10 years, 24 seven. It's just like, that is like my favorite thing ever. And I don't really know any feds that, uh, had to do 60 hours of asphalt and concrete over the past five years every single day. But, uh, yeah, he's, I mean, like, this is a, this is a crazy thing seeing him get into this because, you know, I talked to him almost
Speaker 15every day, every other day, just about this whole, like, America first. We just talk about all this stuff going on. And even, like, this whole thing, when he went on with Shields, it was, like, it was not something, like, that was even coordinated. We didn't even know anything. He didn't know anything was going to happen.
Speaker 15And it's just, like, he's got on with Jake Shields, and he's, like, just talking to him. And it's been awesome, though, and I've loved seeing him do all this. But, yeah, the Groypers on him, man, that's, like, something we've talked about a lot is, like, with the Groypers, and like I said, I'm not trying to backtrack on this stuff.
Speaker 15I don't, like, I know for a fact that Dane does not want any beef with freaking Nick or the Groypers or anything else. We literally just want this movement to keep going. We want this movement to widespread as much as we can, even if people aren't perfect on everything they believe. We still want people to be conscious of what we're talking about.
Speaker 15And, yeah, it's just, like, I guess, like, I'm not trying to get into the same stuff Dane is. Dane is a better talker than me when it comes to all this stuff. But I guess I'm always trying to convince the blind masses, my family members, the boomers around me, grandparents, stuff like that, just trying to wake people up as much as I can.
Speaker 15And I guess with the Gropers, it just seems like... I'm here trying to convert people all the time, and it's like with the Groypers, it's one of those things that just stray people that are unconscious of anything we're talking about in this group. It's straying those people away, and it's like... I don't know. I'm not... At the same time, I love the Groypers, and I've been following them for the past 10 years, laughing at all their shit, so I can't really be hypocritical about it, but it's like...
Speaker 15when it comes to converting people, we're trying to bring this America first union. We're trying to bring Nick in the group. We're trying to make some kind of unit here. And it just seems like we can't like, it just seems like the moment you scratch a insult at Nick, it just, it's like he backfires and calls you a retarded piece of like, whatever.
Speaker 15And I don't know. I'm, I'm kind of just getting into this probably the first time I've publicly spoke on anything like this, but, uh, But, yeah, Dane's a solid dude. I mean, he's more dedicated than anybody I've ever met in my life when it comes to this stuff. Like, he is freaking on my ass all the time trying to get me to just do everything he's doing.
Speaker 15I'm like, dude, I don't know how the hell you're doing this. I don't know how. Like, he's just calling me with ideas. And, you know, he's crazy, but he's not because it's what we all should be doing. But, yeah, that's... about all I gotta say, but yeah, I'm just giving that shout out there.
@deepdiverdaneHey Matt, I do appreciate that. Yeah. Matt, Matt's a real one. I met him right when I came up to Tennessee. Like he said, we, we worked together for a while and we've had a lot of great conversations and, uh, I think, you know, that's something I've tried to do. When I said in that interview with Shields, and I talked about how the Overton window has been shifted dramatically in my region, it was the truth.
Speaker 11Yeah.
@deepdiverdaneWe felt completely alone for a really long time, and then our broader friends group, you know, after some time came around, and then before you know it, it's like you're just talking to your uncle you haven't seen for six months, and he's talking about Israel subversion, and you're like, well, what is happening? Yeah. always, like, pedal to the metal.
@deepdiverdanePedal to the metal. Let's mobilize. We are the power. We don't need to hide our power. We are the fucking power.
Speaker 15Because they can't debate this stuff. They can't debate this stuff. Once you talk to them, like, they might run away from the conversation, but they think about it whenever you... Yeah, like you're saying, just when you're getting on all these people, it's wild. It's been a fun experiment, just... talking to all my parents and grandparents and just trying to convince them, and you just watching the high-minded left and right just try to, like, just really just not knowing what's going on.
Speaker 15It's been a fun experiment just trying to figure out how to do it all. Go ahead, Dane.
@deepdiverdaneI don't have any much more to say. I know there's other people with their hands up, and I don't want to be respectful of people's time. I do appreciate the shout-out. Thanks for tuning in.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up, White Power Aid and cool name. The Firing Lane, welcome, go for it.
@deepdiverdaneThank you, appreciate everybody here. So I'm not white, so I'm not here to lecture you all on what you need to do, just here mainly listening and just kind of wanted to add to the discussion that, you know, from my perspective, I think the biggest impediment to some of the goals and I guess outcomes that some of the people in this group are seeking, I think, you know, the biggest impediment to that more so than, you know, other immigrant groups, which totally I understand some of the concerns that have been outlined and probably agree with most of them.
@deepdiverdaneis, you know, it's other white liberals. I think what prevents, you know, having a cohesive, I guess, racial identity, for lack of a better term, or, you know, fighting for white interest, I think the biggest impediment has been white liberals. If you just look at, you know, just the ICE protests reporting case, you know, it's not necessarily Haitian immigrants or
@deepdiverdaneyou know, immigrants from Afghanistan that are out there trying to block in ICE or, you know, following federal agents and impeding on, you know, lawful activity. It tends to be, you know, more times than not, obviously, the white liberal women, but just as a whole, I think that's been the biggest issue that y'all... I don't know how that solution can come about and how that could be solved.
@deepdiverdaneLike I said, I'm not here to lecture you all on what you need to do, but more so than not, I think that unless that is addressed effectively, I think that that is going to impede on a lot of the goals and I guess outcomes that some of the people in this group are seeking. And then just to kind of real quick build on...
@deepdiverdaneI know a lot of people are into homesteading and going out and building farms and whatnot, but I think the idea of retreating from what I kind of consider to be the power base, which is kind of located in cities and college campuses and where a lot of these bureaucratic institutions are located, I think retreating out of that is just going to further impede on those goals.
@deepdiverdaneI mean, if you look at Ruby Ridge, for example, not to say that people on here are like that. People could retreat all they want, but you could also have ATF agents come up and breaking down your door and selling people fake firearms because they want to incriminate individuals that they basically have deemed a threat to society.
@deepdiverdaneSo I think without a plan of having a way to take back these institutions, that's also going to be another issue because You know, these institutions oftentimes are headed, chaired, and filled with, you know, self-hating whites who, you know, I have absolutely no respect for in that regard. So that's just kind of the little bit of, I guess, two cents that I have.
@deepdiverdaneLike I said, I'm not here to lecture anybody or tell you all what to do. But, yeah, and this kind of wraps up the points I wanted to make. Also, I just want to let everybody know that I'm launching a live call-in show that streams tomorrow. So if you all would be kind enough to tune in, I'd appreciate that. Thank you.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up, Fire and Lane. Doug Holliday, welcome. Go for it.
@iqviajqThank you, Joanne. Regards, again. and to the others in the space. I would like to ask Dane Chisholm a couple of thought or direct questions and just see his response. First and foremost, Dane, oh, sorry, Dane, I can see that you're a Christian. So, you know, God bless you, my Christian brother, if you do believe in the Holy Trinity and that the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is the second person of the Holy Trinity, the one undivided Holy Trinity, you're a brother in Christ.
@iqviajqSo hopefully you like that, Dane. Now, I would like to ask you this first question, Dane, would be throughout history, from your moral perspective, your religious understanding or however you want to view it, who is the only person who has ever defeated the devil from a Christian understanding? According to you.
@deepdiverdaneI suppose I would say Jesus Christ is the only one who has ever defeated Satan, as he said in John, I believe, in this chapter. 14 or 15, he says the prince of this world now stands condemned as he's telling us about the spirit of truth that he is going to send us that's going to guide us into all things that are true.
@deepdiverdaneAnd we'll speak only what it hears from him. Right before he says that, he talks about how the prince of this world now stands condemned and that if we put our faith in Christ, that ultimately we win in the end. So that would be my answer.
@iqviajqExactly. No, no, I agree with you, Dane. That's fine. That's fine. I won't hold this space up too much. because I want to bring it back to the title. Now, I want to ask you from your understanding, and for sure you're like many people here, very patriotic American, what level of respect and honour does the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ have in 2026 America?
@iqviajqIf we're going to define and defend what America first is, because from my position or understanding, if you want to defeat the synagogue of Satan, which includes both Christ-denying and Christ-hating Jews, as long as gullible and brainwashed and subverted Gentiles, well, you can only beat it with the king, with the commander, with the leader, with God himself who defeated the devil.
@iqviajqSo politically, economically, culturally, in an education perspective, health-wise and all, every single facet of life, what type of honour and respect does that, you know, does the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ have in today's America? What happens to someone if they offend him and say something derogatory against the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords?
@deepdiverdaneYes, my position would be something I've heard said quite a lot recently, and it's, you know, America cannot be saved. until, or excuse me, we cannot save America until America is saved, and that is through Christ and Christ alone. I do believe we need to press Christian nationalism. I believe we need to identify and band together and stop being afraid of those titles and stop letting, you know,
@deepdiverdanegovernment documents prevent us from actualizing our full potential as a christian nationalist nation and that's not to say that we disregard the constitution but it is often misrepresented uh you know when we're talking about the first amendment you know the first word is congress it has nothing to do with the states the states absolutely i mean the state the tennessee state constitution literally says that our leaders should follow christ
@deepdiverdaneAnd so anyway, with that, you know, people who reject Christ or all of these things, all the evil energy that exists on this planet. And we constantly see our Lord mocked and spit in the face of. I think we are coming into that era right now where the hard times have created the strong men. And we are going to stop bending the knee and allowing this.
@deepdiverdaneAnd does that mean that we have to act in violence or hatred? No, but that does not mean that we let people trample over us. We are the ones that have the authority to do the trampling. OK, so my position is very simple. I don't plan on going around beating Bible, beating people over the head and forcing theology upon them.
@deepdiverdaneBut they will respect the culture. They will respect the Christendom or they will leave and they will leave on their own accord or by our accord. So very simple. You know, I don't want to get too on it, but that's my take.
@iqviajqThank you very much. And I wish you and people who are like-minded like yourself every success in restoring and a spiritual and moral rebirth of the United States of America because what is impossible for man is possible with God. You want to bring down the devil? You want to free America and free the world? From my understanding, freedom, what it really means is independence from man or from human and a dependence on God.
@iqviajqon Christ. That is what freedom is to me. If that's the type of freedom, I believe, if that's the type of freedom that the American people strive for and pursue and the people here in Australia and throughout what was Christendom, there is a future for our nations. But if we continue to reject Christ and allow laws to be legalised, to mock him, defame him, ridicule the family unit,
@iqviajqand push every type of degeneracy, well, then Christ simply withdraws his blessing from our nations. And once he withdraws his blessing, the devil roams like a roaring lion, destroying and devouring every single, even upright person because sin has filled the world. So I'll just finish with that, Dane. Ephesians 6, 12, that's who the enemy is.
@iqviajqWe know who the earthly representatives. and the loudest and most cunning enemies of Christ are. So with Christ, we can defeat that enemy that is led by the devil himself and his representatives. Without Christ, the Western world is finished. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I return the microphone. Thank you very much.
@iqviajqAnd I hope the America First that we see moving forward is Christ-centered and Christian-centered and let the Jews and all the liberal Gentile, faggots, LGBTQ, keep barking because let the dogs bark whilst the caravan moves on. Thank you very much, Ian. I'll return the mic.
@joann_marieBeautiful. Thank you so much, Doc. All right, Andy, go for it. Welcome. Buck.
@froemelandyJoel Webben is trying to do that. He's pushing an America first brand of Christian nationalism. So, I mean, we do have some people that are pushing that. So that's spot on. We do need, Christianity to be part of America first. We can't just say, yeah, I'm America first. I don't like Israel, but I believe in a kid's transgender surgery, like the anti-Zionist movement on the left.
@froemelandyThat's not going to cut it. Or I don't like Israel, but I believe 20 million illegal immigrants should be able to walk across our border in four years. Being an anti-Zionist from the Elon Omar vein is not going to cut it. It has to be Christ is King, America first. And if you want to be in another religion in our country, sure, you can stay here.
@froemelandyBut you follow our laws. You respect Jesus Christ. You don't say he's boiling in a vat of shit, for example. And it's kind of that simple. And then did you guys see that post earlier from Chris Meehan where some Jew was bragging about how it was? He didn't even say Israeli super PACs. He said it was Jewish money that beat Thomas Massey.
@froemelandyAnd if anti-Semitic candidates want to run, then they have to know they're going to have to go through the buzzsaw. So it's like they're literally rubbing it. in our face with like they're straight up now saying it's jewish money it's absolutely ridiculous like if this was arab money or chinese money that was the biggest spender in our elections everyone would rightfully be pissed about that and be like hey this is undue foreign influence but of course when it's jewish money if you say that oy vey you're an anti-semite how dare you what about the holocaust so like we need to call a spade a spade and be like hey why aren't
@froemelandyWhy do we have people that don't represent our values as the majority spenders in our election? It's completely ridiculous. We don't want Israeli Jewish influence. We don't want Chinese influence. We don't want Arab influence. We don't want any of it. Like, it's ridiculous.
@joann_marieI agree. Thank you so much, Andy. Haldane, did you open your mic?
@deepdiverdaneI dropped out accidentally for a second. Was there a question asked to me? Because I missed about the first 30 seconds of Andy speaking.
@froemelandyI'll ask you a quick question. How do you think we can all come together for some of these elections down the line, whether it's James Fishback or 2028 for whoever ends up running as president? Because it's going to take all of the people in our group, all of these other influencers. to come together because obviously we have, we're winning the online battle, but I mean, they obviously own the money battle because they literally have unlimited money.
@froemelandySo how do we, like, we need to settle all these differences that we have in our movement with different influencers to be like, hey, we all need to come together and get behind this candidate because that's what it's going to need to happen if we're going to have any chance at toppling Vance and Rubio and actually putting a Christian nationalist in in 2028.
@deepdiverdaneYeah, well, you know, I definitely hope Fischbach wins. It looks like he's making big ground. I hope for my sake and Tennessee's sake that Monique Fritz wins, who has a very similar platform and these candidates. And I would say, not to beat it at horse, I know I've said that a few times tonight, but I said this earlier, we have to make it cool to be those guys.
@deepdiverdaneWe need to make it cool again to participate at the political level in our youth. We need to make it the thing. And the way that we do that is we have gentlemen step forward who are, you know, this is not exclusionary either, but I mean, guys who are in good shape, well-spoken, well-presented, well-dressed, with courage, making it the cool thing to stand 10 toes down and say, yeah, we are about our people first.
@deepdiverdaneThese are our priorities. These are the candidates that we support. We need to push it in popular culture. You know, for a long time, popular culture has controlled kind of the narrative of kind of the mouth-breathing kind of matrix zoned in. folks who are, damn it. Can you guys still hear me?
Speaker 4Yeah.
@deepdiverdaneOkay, good. My phone's messing around on me a little bit. Yeah, I just say we need to make it cool again to be in the zone or maybe for the first time. And I say, this is a very important point that maybe we don't hit very often. We're at that first point in history. for, you know, maybe ever as far as I'm concerned, and maybe I'm not studied enough, but this is the first time where the youth is more conservative than the older class.
@deepdiverdaneYou know, normally you see the grandparents complaining about, you know, these kids are getting out of control, and I'm sure that still exists in some forms, but, you know, we're seeing Generation Z is the first generation that's, as the young ones, is setting the standard, setting the example, saying we need to be more conservative, we need to be more Christian, we need to be more nationalist, and we're actually the ones that are lecturing our uncles and our grandpa
@deepdiverdaneabout how they have let it go instead of the reverse. And so I think we're on the right track. And Generation Z has obviously big shoes to fill, I suppose you would say, or a big chain in the link to fix before it snaps. But the way that we win, the way that we win, the way that we get the right people in office is not only supporting them online, but in real life.
@deepdiverdaneWe need to show up in mass numbers. We need to do things in real life. And this has been the main theme of the points that I talked about and some of my criticisms of the current America First model right now is cartoon frogs and anonymous things and online shitposting. It's all great. It does do certain things, but it doesn't...
@deepdiverdaneit doesn't deliver the same way that if all of those dudes showed up in real life with their America first hat on in real life together, a hundred of them at an event. And you said, we're here to take over. We're here to set the standard. This is when this is power wins when it's pushed. So that's my take on that.
@froemelandyAwesome. I do agree. We need to do. some more in-person stuff. Like one thing that I've noticed is like there have been a few cases at least of people protesting data centers in their local communities and getting projects canceled. So that's one thing. And obviously by in-person, I mean be smart with what you do in-person.
@froemelandyDoing something in-person doesn't mean trying to start a fight like Shud the Builder and shooting someone with a gun on a live stream because then if someone is claiming they represent us does that, then you know how the Jews will act. oh, my God, all these guys are crazy. Thankfully, obviously, Ted the Builder wasn't someone that pretended to represent us.
@froemelandyBut I'm just like, yeah, it's about going out, obviously. And I saw this concern, though. Someone's like, why isn't there a right-wing anti-Israel protest, anti-war protest? And everyone in the comments is like, because we don't want to get PSYOPTER prosecuted wrongfully like J6. And that's what J6 was. It was to deter any real...
@froemelandyright-wing in-person movement, unfortunately. So everyone's just scared to go out in person and do anything. No one on the right will organize a protest and be like, hey, we shouldn't be giving money to Israel. We don't want AIPAC in these foreign lobbies in our politics. Someone on the right wing with influence needs to organize that, and people need to get out for that.
@froemelandyNot everything's a PSYOP like January 6th. It's just ridiculous. Like someone needs to organize that, I feel like.
@joann_marieI agree. And thank you so much. And you should see the protests in Mexico. They are like so out of control and they are not psyops. And I know this is going to sound fed posty, but the government needs to be afraid of the people again. And I'm not saying that doing like violence or stuff like that, but it's crazy. Like this is insanity, you know?
@joann_marieSo, yeah, I'm not advocating for violence. I'm just saying the government needs to stop doing this crap. Jan, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 13Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Give me a spot back to talk. So one thing that I just want to say, so I don't know if it goes against people's beliefs or whatever, but one thing I have a problem with is when I've heard that Jesus has conquered death. So I know it's a Christian thing and Jesus conquered death. So I feel like God does not want anyone to conquer death.
Speaker 13That's not part of God's plan. You live and you die. So with Jesus conquering death, I feel like that whole thing has been a psyop and that, yeah, Jesus was a real guy. I don't dispute that. And he was a truth teller of the day is what I believe. Was he the son of God? I have no idea. But did God want him to conquer death?
Speaker 13And he conquered death? Nobody conquers death. Who wants to conquer death today? Who wants to conquer death today, though? The bad guys. The guys we're against want to conquer death today. You know what I mean?
@joann_marieJohn, this is not the topic of this space, though.
@malleusigThis is wildly off topic. It's a point of extreme minutiae in the Christian religion, and it's a very odd hill
Speaker 13want to die on we can have i'm not trying to die we can have this discussion but honestly all you're doing is creating a division in the conversation at this point well i mean everyone's talking about jesus and stuff like that so like so i feel like that's part of it you know what i mean like the whole thing is he conquered death i feel like that's a very well that's part of it wrong that's opposite it's opposite of what god wants you know what i mean if there is a god and okay
Speaker 13Part of the natural world, God does not want people to conquer death.
@malleusigThat's part of life. Since you want to make a thing out of this. Okay, first question. How do you know what God wants?
Speaker 13I don't know what God wants.
@malleusigOkay, then how can you assert that God does not want people to conquer death?
Speaker 13Well, I mean, like, who has told us that Jesus conquered death? It's written in a book. The apostles.
@malleusigThe people that were there.
Speaker 13Okay, but who wrote that?
@malleusigThe apostles and the people that compiled the books after them.
Speaker 13Okay, but who were they?
@malleusigWell, we don't know for sure. Were they just men?
Speaker 13Were they humans? Were they men?
@malleusigWell, considering the fact that they were able to write, then we can assume safely that they were.
Speaker 13So they could write. So were they the elite?
Speaker 8I would say at this point that we just want to conquer the death of this space, right?
@malleusigThat's a very good point. John, it sounds like you're trying to kill the space.
Speaker 13I'm sorry. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to help myself. I'm trying to help myself to believe in the world. Thanks for your comments, my friend. I appreciate it. Thank you. I want to say something very quickly. I spent years...
@deepdiverdaneso my my spiritual journey i i identify with the themes that you're saying john i used to say some of the same things myself i mean it was only some years ago that i completely accepted jesus christ as my lord and savior the king of kings and i grew up in an atheist kind of cynical kind of almost uh nihilist household.
@deepdiverdaneMy father was atheist and I was taught to mock religion and look for every loophole in a way. And I spent the majority of my youth and kind of my young adult life still carrying that. I mean, there's, there's plenty of old Facebook posts of me arguing back and forth with Christians. I mean, I even, I even on my body have a tattoo right now.
@deepdiverdaneI talk about regrets of tattoos.
Speaker 13Can I just say one thing? I just want to say one thing. Can I just say one thing?
@joann_marieI don't dispute religion.
Speaker 13religion I don't dispute God I had a very religious moment in my life like two weeks ago okay can I can I just say that one thing John someone else you can wait your turn I would be interested to hear about your religious experience if it's short after this and I guess the point that I was making is uh um
@deepdiverdaneIt is a journey and you will feel a calling on your heart until when you see the truth. And what that is, is the spirit of truth will reach out and touch you in a way that you will know what it is when the time and when it occurs. Some people have the privilege of having that growing up in a home where they understand that very early and some have to find it organically on their own.
@deepdiverdaneAnd, you know, society is going to figure those kinds of things out. But the, you know, the journey, the things that you're talking about and all the questions and all of that. That's a good thing to have. And I would say that if you push forward in good faith and you read the Bible, read the Bible, read the New Testament, sit down, analyze it and apply it to your life.
@deepdiverdaneI think you would be surprised at the conclusions eventually that you will draw and where your heart will take you. So anyway, I'm done with that.
@joann_marieThank you, Wayne. William, go for it. Welcome.
@blueskyambGood. Good evening, guys. not sure where you are in the world but uh love speaking with you guys um i don't know it's uh religion is such a contentious thing um you know we have to um we have to get back to i think peer to peer this is something like that i think is new that i can introduce um people getting back to meeting in real life, right?
@blueskyambSo their entire system is like based on us being online, right? Online and keeping us away, but close enough that we can't actually meet and do anything. So my... suggestion would be meet in real life um and i suppose that's like my main conjecture i think i understand the doomsday i understand like doom pills i i completely understand everything that everyone's talking about um i understand the voting i understand the um
@blueskyambmassey i i look and i see these events but i think that the way we win is truly just connecting um at a basal level um and then from there i guess we'll see um but there's so historically right this is exactly what's happened you know what i i'm actually not gonna monologue But people historically can look this up. The only way this works is when people connect in real life.
@blueskyambAnd that's the way it is. Regardless of any organization or this or that, the only way you fix things is when you meet up in real life. So I will stand by that. And I'm not going to show my agency.
@joann_marieYeah, just do it really quick. I like it, William. Yeah. Go for it.
@joann_marieIt's a really cool organization.
@blueskyambNo, I'm going to shill Joanne. Joanne is welcome. Joanne is a lovely, lovely woman. She is... Joanne, maybe you can shill his agency for him.
@joann_marieThank you, William. No, they'll talk about Halo. Halo is pretty cool.
@blueskyambNo, it's... We're getting some traction.
@blueskyambIt's about keeping the bad members out, right? Bad people out. People that are kind of, you know, there's people that are agents out. And we want to make sure that everything is, like, said fast early on. And I guess that's where they have me, you know, next cop.
@blueskyambso we're doing that we're doing a very good job we're we're growing slow and steady um but yeah man like we're in a tough job we're in a tough job to like try and take over all these wrongs and uh you know um i guess i My whole thing is, like, trying to fight for my heritage. Like, I have a graveyard. Personally, I have a graveyard of my whole ancestors.
@blueskyambLike, they were all white. Because I'm white. And... You know, it's... You know, I suppose that's what you fight for. But... That's what kind of, like, built the country and the halo, the heritage Americans, like, kind of deal.
@blueskyambBut everyone should have that. The problem is, like, you know, America kind of like America, quote unquote, kind of bombed and destroyed under these other things, which are the Jews. Destroyed all these other countries and, like, you know, they invaded our...
Ian Malcolmplaces I don't really know how to how to go from there and I suppose that nobody else does no we're going to win I would not I would not fear about that look and look the reality is and we're talking about this earlier right there's a pressure cooker and the reality is either Western civilization is going to fall or underneath the weight of these psychopaths, or it is going to be used as fodder to energize a movement in opposition to it, and that's going to ultimately win and win the day.
Ian MalcolmAnd so we need to create louder and louder and louder voices, both individually and as a collective. And I saw that we had Stu Peters in here for just a moment. Not sure if he's going to be able to come back in, but either way, I just wanted to give him a lot of kudos. obviously talking on a very large platform about these issues and has been one of the most kind of steadfast in this rejection of Jewish supremacy.
Ian MalcolmSo I wanted to give him a big shout out. But I do see that we've got Best of the Gentiles. So let's go there. And then we will go down to Mr. Gentile Identitarian after that.
@joann_marieAnd also, guys, I posted in the Purple Pill the space we did with Halo. So it's really interesting. So I think you guys should check it out. And thank you so much for coming up, William. It's always awesome hearing you.
@blueskyambYeah, no, I didn't do justice, but I appreciate that.
Ian MalcolmYou did wonderfully. And to Joanne's point on that space, she just put that into the pill. And it really was an interesting conversation with a number of members from Halo. And it is. It's a fraternal organization that's essentially trying to put emphasis and attention to kind of the heritage tradition of Halo. a lot of individuals that come from a long line and lineage of, of, of traditional Americans.
Ian MalcolmRight. So that's a wonderful operation and, and lots and lots of love to you guys. Thanks buddy.
@joann_marieI, yeah, I, I wish more white people did communities like this and it's all wholesome. So it's really cool. And thank you so much for coming up, William. All right. Best go for it.
@american_goyboyHey, and Joanne, uh, Dane, I think this is the first time I've ever been in a space with you. Um, thanks for having me up. everyone please retweet the space so we can get some more people in here. But I just had a statement. I came in and I heard Andy talk and I love Andy to death, but it's kind of young and naive to the world.
@american_goyboySo don't take that as a personal attack. It's just an age thing. But I heard Andy say like talking about influencers and, you know, they don't move the needle, the influencers. They speak. We find our tribes online, and we gather and we congregate around those tribes. And we find the influencers that we like, and we stick with them.
@american_goyboyAnd we think we get into this mindset of like, yeah, this is what, yeah, they're saying what I believe, and we're doing it. And it doesn't, online doesn't happen. And... what moves the needle is getting involved. And let me give you an example. I spent the day with my mom here today and I went and picked her up and outside of her house, she had a sign for a candidate that was TPUSA endorsed.
@american_goyboyAnd I've already looked this guy up and he's a total fucking joke. Ex-military guy, you know, Israel first type thing. And so I asked my mom, you know, where'd you get this sign from? And she said that she got it from the Republican Central Committee meeting. So they were passing them out. And then I guess he or this guy that's running or someone else gave, you know, that represented him, gave a speech on who he was and what he was all about.
@american_goyboyAnd so then they passed out the signs. So these signs went out to... I think like 50, 60 people that were in this meeting and they passed them out so that they can have them in their yards. And this is how it works. So for the first time in my life, I plan to get involved and go to the Central Republican Committee meeting and start talking to people on the ground, people that would never be on X, people that would never,
@american_goyboylisten to any of these influencers. And I guess what I'm getting at is all this, like get out of your echo chambers online. I know that I'm online a lot and, you know, we're all, you know, you know, airing our grievances online, but it's not going to move the needle. What's going to move the needle is you confronting the candidates.
@american_goyboyGet a video in front of them. ask them you know are you america first or are you israel first you know start asking them pointed questions get them on the record expose them for who they are and then talk to the other people at these committee meetings or um you know these grassroots level and and explain to them you know why um you know that this is the wrong candidate for for america
@american_goyboyAnd that is how we're going to start to change the hearts and minds. These echo chambers online aren't going to do it. We saw, you know, yeah, you know, I follow all the influencers that were down there in Kentucky for Massey. And I was like, oh, yeah, this could, you know, this is going to be great. This is awesome. No, it's just one giant echo chamber.
@american_goyboyThe race was bought off. You know, you see all the people that, you know, yeah, there were no signs. for Ed Galrain in Kentucky. But that's not where it's at. It's reaching the individual people. And we all need to start getting involved. And that's how we're going to change going forth. Anyway, I'll land it there.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Paes. And I think they did. I don't know why I feel like they got the people. to votes, because that was very sketchy, you know?
@american_goyboyWell, yeah, I totally agree it was sketchy. 10,000 mail-in ballots in Kentucky, in, like, an obscure Kentucky area? Are you freaking kidding me? We know.
@joann_marieWe know that this is why... Yeah, so it doesn't matter if people, like, if a million people vote, they are still going to, like, pull it off somehow.
@american_goyboyRight, but if we can overwhelm the situation on the ground to the point of it's, to use Trump's words, too big to rig or too big to steal. That's how we're going to do it. We're not going to do it. We don't have the funds of Miriam Adelson and the singers of the world. We don't have the funds of APAC. What we need to start doing is at these central committee meetings, getting these candidates rejected from the very start.
@american_goyboyLike so that they can't get a foothold. That's where they're getting their foothold. They're getting the foothold at these meetings. And it's the lemmings or the sheep that are just following whatever is presented in front of them. Nip it in the bud. Kill these people before they even have a chance to put their name in the ring.
@american_goyboyExpose them for who they are.
@joann_marieThank you. Well, it's hard, but it can be done. Thank you so much, Best. Yankee, welcome. Go for it.
@ceo_superdragonI agree with the best of Gentiles. This whole point, or excuse me, the whole point now is resistance. We need to not give up and not surrender. I refuse under any circumstances to live under a Jewish occupation. This is my country and they can't have it. And even if it means I'm going to campaign with people I don't agree with, or I'm going to, for instance, Kentucky District 4.
@ceo_superdragonRight now, Michael Ferris says he wanted to run, and I just got done talking with him. He can't. There's actually a bylaw that prevents him from joining an independent party a year after he leaves the Republican Party. So from January 1st, this election cycle, he can't run. But he is endorsing Jeremy Todd. who is part of the Libertarian Party.
@ceo_superdragonNow, I went through Jeremy Todd's post, and I feel like he would be a great person to have in these spaces, and so maybe we can talk to him and get him on here. I have taken every opportunity I can to go county to county, state to state, to find people running or office that don't get attention, that don't get publicity, but have shared values, because I believe,
@ceo_superdragonWholeheartedly, the whole goal of them doing things like this is to demoralize, to stagnate, to mentally cripple people into submission. And I refuse under any circumstance to allow them to have that victory. I will resist them surely out of spite, just because I can resist them, not because I expect to win, not because I expect to change anything.
@ceo_superdragonbut because this is my country and they cannot have it. And I will be in their way, a thorn in their side every step of the way. And that is what they need to understand. And that's what they need to fear is that the American spirit is not one that will kneel. It's not one that will bow. It was not one that will break.
@ceo_superdragonWe come from people who are defiant. I always say American is synonymous with rebellion. They will not occupy us in any way, shape or form. So don't give up. You may take the black pill, but take it with a grain of salt and keep doing your damn job because this is your country too. And if you're okay with this, if you're okay with being a slave, by all means, find a way to make your shackles more comfortable.
@ceo_superdragonI, for one, will not. I will resist them until my dying breath. America will be free. That's all I have to say.
@joann_marieBeautiful, Yankee. I loved everything. Thank you. McMercy, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 16Hello, Ian, Joanne, Dane, everyone else. I just wanted to say, actually, I was listening to the talk about God's willing human beings not to live forever. And I wanted to say something there, but the topic has moved on. And I wanted to say that the Thomas Massey situation, I actually... told this to Dan, commented on one of his posts, that it should be a wake-up call for you.
Speaker 16And we didn't consider this, not seriously, that the other side, they're playing to win. They're not playing to affect change. They're not playing to do anything useful. The only objective they have at this point is to win the election. They're not talking about what will happen after they win. They're thinking about how to win now how did they do that when i look at it i see that the number of votes doubled if you consider the previous election and they won by just 7 000 votes that's not a huge number and off the top of my head if i wanted to do this having no ethics no boundaries first grade information at my disposal and an endless amount of money i would say i'm gonna tell people
Speaker 16You go and bring people to vote for this specific congressman, for instance, and for any person, I would give 500 bucks to the person that's voting, $50 to you. So imagine you can do the whole election thing with less than $10 million with this. Actually, specifically, if you say $500, you can get 20,000 votes for less than $20 million.
Speaker 16So it's not like it's very hard to understand, but it is hard to counter if you want to do it in the right way. And that only happens if you do the legwork and get out there and talk to people in any district and monitor your opponent very closely. This is a very common thing in the United States I know. It's called...
Speaker 16opposition research and then they go and study the other person that is the candidate and go into their personal lives and see everything about them and their families and so on but when it comes to election and stakes are this high i think monitoring every move your opponent makes in real time that would be really valuable and with all the surveillance that's at the zionist disposal
Speaker 16jews disposal they have access to everything almost everyone does so they can monitor everyone and they can monitor the whole voting process you know counting votes from the very beginning so it's a real powerful opposition so if i wanted to just say two thing two things about this i would say the first one would be it's a huge win to make your opponents pay openly more than 33 million dollars
Speaker 16for less than 50,000 votes. That's a huge win because before this, they paid way less for way bigger results. But now the awakening has gotten to a point in which they have to spend this huge amount of money. And the psychological effect that this movement has had on them is up to a point in which IPAC puts out a post bragging about
Speaker 16winning these two seats and saying that they were anti-Israel, and then we got two people that are for Israel, pro-Israel, and then brags about this. You know, they had 93 seats out of 100 seats in Senate, and nobody even talked about this. But right now, for two seats in Congress, they're bragging and boasting. It means they're down.
Speaker 16They're obviously down. Everything else that they're saying is just to give them the spirit to continue and take it away from this movement that is obviously moving forward and upward. So I think even thinking about this in a negative way would be counterproductive because it's not. You didn't expect to just win everything with your first strike, did you?
Speaker 16We knew that this might happen. I know we all hoped that this wouldn't. Thomas Massie for many reasons, Epstein and the whole mess being the most important one, at least for me and I know for many people, we hoped that he would get reelected. But $1 million, that was his ceiling and that with the help of a lot of people and coming very late and not having anyone to back him, everyone opposing him, even the president of the United States.
Speaker 16just coming out and saying about this one seat in the Congress for one congressman in Kentucky. I mean, this is like everyone, everything that they have, Israelis, Jewish people and their IPAC, everything that they had, they brought it all out just to counter the moves of this one person. And all this one person had was the truth and how people wanted it.
Speaker 16come out how people were listening to him so i think we just should consider this one a very well-timed lesson because the elections are just upcoming we have it all ahead of us it's not behind us we're not past this and we should learn from this And we should know that underestimating the enemy and the opponent or whatever you want to call it, that is a huge mistake.
Speaker 16That is what they did with Iran. That is what we shouldn't do with them. They're powerful. We can't lie to ourselves and to each other. Obviously, they have a lot of sway and they can do a lot of things. But we have this one weapon. We have always had this. They didn't let us use it. But right now, We're capable of using it.
Speaker 16And this one weapon is the truth, undeniable truth. And that is something they can never have because they're always lying and they're exploiting and hurting. And we all know about this. So I say to just bring my plane down as the expression that you're using so often here now, I would say that this is something good and in the appearance of something bad and when i look back i see the same thing happened with my country you know the riots that we had in our country that was a wake-up call a very important wake-up call after which the whole war started now for you this is the wake-up call so let's just take this seriously take away from this our weaknesses what did we do wrong
Speaker 16What could we do better? And then start doing better right now. And I think talking to people face-to-face, going to districts, forming networks, that could be a solution. That's all.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Mac Mercy. And yeah, I mean, Dane is doing those things in real life and also the people from Halo. There is a couple of communities who are like meeting in person and... teaching each other stuff, and that's really cool. I get really white-pilled when I hear this stuff, so keep doing what you're doing, guys, and more people are going to join, so thank you.
@joann_marieMr. B, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 17Yeah, hey, everybody. Ian, Joanne, appreciate everything you guys do. I was just thinking about...
Speaker 17This whole Massey thing has got everybody thinking, right? Do we have a chance politically? And I was thinking about this verse today, and it seems like the space might be open to allow me to read it here. But if my people, which are called by my name, and I think we all know that my people called by my name are not those that call themselves Jews.
Speaker 17or those that call themselves Jews but are not, rather, shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. Then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. We're not going to be forgiven and we're not going to get this land healed.
Speaker 17Electing pedophiles, supporting pedophiles, supporting the faggotry, all the stuff that we're going along with right now. This land's not going to get healed. God's not going to heal it. So I think that's tough to get around at this point. You've got a good man of a good character, Massey, namely, and It just, it feels like we're at a spiritual impasse here.
Speaker 17And somehow we got to follow the directions, humble ourselves and pray and seek his face, I think. Thanks.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up, Mr. B. And yeah, but it's going to be hard. But yeah, with... Praying and also waking people up, I think. And getting together, like everything that we're doing, right? And thank you so much for coming up. Hold on, I'm glitching. IQ via JQ. Welcome.
Speaker 10Hi, Joanne. Thanks for having me. How are you? I'm doing fine. Is it okay if I get a little free form, a little abstract, a little kind of just going off the cuff a little bit? Or do you guys want to stay on topic?
Speaker 4Sure. I always love a freestyle. Go for it.
Speaker 10I'm about to freestyle up in this bitch. Oh, man. I love you guys. Seriously. You guys keep me sane. I'm not kidding. Like... People think that it's low IQ anti-Semitism to keep talking about this shit. It's like, what else are we supposed to do? We're trying to just stay alive and sane in this bitch. I'm not going to talk to my cashier about this.
Speaker 10I mean, it'd be pretty funny if you did. It would be. Maybe someday. I'll maybe wear a mask or something.
Ian MalcolmIs that cash or credit? Did you know it's Jews?
@joann_marieI do do that. My gardener came to my house to put garden, and I was like, so? And I kept like, no, I do do that. And I recommend it. Actually, everybody has been positive about it. Yeah, do it.
Speaker 10I'll do it when a store is closing in five minutes, so I could just kind of say it's the Jews and bolt out of there. But... So... I didn't really get to elaborate a lot on Massey's loss yesterday. I just kind of told you, Ian, that I was, like, a little bit unfazed by it. But it doesn't mean that I wasn't, like, I was affected by it, but I wasn't, like, discouraged.
Speaker 10I just felt like, oh, man. But at the same time, and I think you're a gamer too, right, Ian?
Speaker 10Yeah.
@joann_marieReally? I was a gamer too. Okay. Sorry.
Speaker 10Oh, you were? So you're pretty familiar with, like, you know, playing against the final boss, losing a million times, but you keep going and you chip away and chip away and chip away, but then eventually you win. And I feel like that's the kind of battle we're in. You know, it's David versus Goliath, but like way more difficult.
Speaker 10And so we just got to keep chipping away at it. And this is where I want to freestyle a little bit because I've said this before. I've worked with autistic children and it's really incredible the kind of work we were doing. But I feel like all my colleagues didn't appreciate what we were doing because we were using B.F. Skinner's, the famous behaviorist, his established behavior modification.
Speaker 10It's called Applied Behavioral Analysis. It's a scientific way to change behavior. It's really incredible. But everyone just looks at it as an opportunity to be on their phone because you're not getting monitored. they just look at it as like babysitting an autistic kid. But what you're doing is you're using reinforcement and punishment, other behavior principles to change their behavior because they're so stubborn.
Speaker 10Like, I'm not insulting autistic people. I'm just saying it's very difficult to train them or to get them to learn language, even though they can learn languages. They're just too caught up in their little world. They want to line things up and you know how they get. So I got really good at ABA to the point of arrogance.
Speaker 10And I think people who get good at ABA, I think they inherit something called, well, I call it Skinner's arrogance. And I think I've inherited Skinner's arrogance because you just start to see how people work. And it's helped me understand the brain as well. But here's what I'm trying to get at. Let's say you take a six-year-old autistic kid and they can't even write their name.
Speaker 10They can't even write a letter. They can't even draw a straight line. So how do you teach them how to use language and write and all that kind of stuff? Well, you teach them to just hold the pencil. And often that's the challenge. So if they can't even hold the pencil, then just touching the pencil would be called an approximation.
Speaker 10And what you start doing is you just start approximating. You just look for these approximations. And it's like good enough attempts at the thing that you're trying to get, the target behavior. If the target behavior is writing, well, holding the pencil is close enough. And drawing a little dot or an imperfect circle is close enough.
Speaker 10And you just keep... rewarding those attempts. And then over time, they'll hold the pencil, they'll draw a straight line, maybe they'll write the letter A, but that's only after failing maybe 500 to 1,000 times per step. So holding the pencil takes 500 tries, which takes maybe like four weeks, maybe more, depending on the kid.
Speaker 10And then once they hold the pencil, now teaching them to draw a straight line might take another five weeks. They might regress to even not being able to hold the pencil again. You've got to start all over. And it's just this very painful, process that feels like maybe it's going nowhere. But slowly but surely, that kid learns how to hold a pencil for good and how to write for good.
Speaker 10And once it's in there, language is so useful and they're lonely because they can't talk to people. So it's going to stick in their mind. So you've got to go through all these hurdles. What takes us maybe 10 attempts takes them like thousands of attempts. And it's kind of encouraging to see because I see these kids struggling with things that
Speaker 10um you know i find really easy and it takes so much willpower to keep going they look around them and they see people opening doors like it's nothing but to them opening doors is actually a challenge because they struggle with fine motor stuff so what i summarize that is summer i what i summarize it to is um behaving your way into something you keep finding the approximate behaviors till you get the target behavior and that's what that's how i approach this jew thing is
Speaker 10I am just crawling forward. I'm just approximating the correct response. Maybe I make a million mistakes, but it's not about getting it right each time. It's about every time I'm attempting to master the behavior, which is, I don't know what it is, getting rid of the Jews. I don't know what the hell the actual target behavior is here, but we have a goal and we just have to keep hacking away at it.
Speaker 10We just have to keep trying to fight the final boss and chip away and chip away and chip away. And that's what voting is for me is just chipping away at this giant beast. And if autistic kids can do it, then of course we can do it. And what I learned is, you know, neurotypicals, they're so incredibly powerful because what takes these autistic kids thousands of attempts to learn a thing, we do it after five or 10 and it's so exponential.
Speaker 10And so I think we can exponentially be experts at dealing with Jews. I personally feel like I've mastered the Yitz behavior, let's say. Anytime Yitz is on the panel with me, he's going to be crying, I'm going to be laughing, I'm going to have a drink after, right? I didn't learn, I just kind of hacked away at it, chipped away at it, and it just kind of happened.
Speaker 10And I kind of believe in myself, but I learned this stuff. And a lot of what I know comes from helping autistic children. Because to me, they look like basically kids that have somewhat identical IQs, but very little, they struggle with the PFC. So this is why a lot of the PFC stuff I bring up all the time is because I've worked with autistic children and I'm like, that's a PFC function they're struggling with.
Speaker 10That other one, socializing, fine motor control, planning and organizing, controlling their emotions, you name it. Look up all the executive functions of the PFC. You can bet your ass that autistic people struggle with that. So what it looks like is autistic person is just a normal person with very weak pfc activity and we the average person has an insane amount of pfc activity because that's the kind of animal that we are if you look at a giraffe and say that's a long-necked animal right it's it's so intuitive you won't even ask me for proof and the same way that a long neck defines a giraffe the pfc defines a human being and so by default we have this ability to adapt very quickly
Speaker 10In fact, the way I look at it is we've evolved to evolve. And that's a weird way to look at it. But this behavior mastery thing, we're really good at it. Autistic children and adults would die for what we got. And we already have it by default. Our ancestors have already achieved this. It's not something we have to... I mean, it's something we can improve and definitely we should improve it.
Speaker 10But that's the kind of stuff that makes me feel very hopeful. I don't have a clear... ending to this. I just know that we have to stay in our PFC. We got to stay sharp. We got to stay in fight mode. We got to stay determined, understand that we're chipping away at a thing that we don't understand. And it's never worked.
Speaker 10Everyone before us has noticed and eventually failed at getting rid of the problem. So it's going to take a sec. And all of these spaces that we host, they're like think tanks. It's going to take a sec. It's going to take... I remember like... Me and my partner were trying to think of a solution for a problem. It took us like two months and I planned a week of thinking for that.
Speaker 10It took us two months of thinking and like thinking in free time whenever we had free time. But it's like we have to think for many hours until we got the solution we wanted. And of course, the Jewish problem, which is way more complex than what I was addressing, it's going to take some thought time. Right. And I think about it like this.
Speaker 10The more thought time you put behind the behavior, the more powerful that behavior is going to be. If you just think about chess, a lot of chess is thought time and then behavior, thought time and then behavior. And it's just one action backed up by a lot of thinking and simulations. So I'm not discouraged by Massey. You guys shouldn't be either.
Speaker 10We're chipping away. And Mick Mercy said something that's actually really worth thinking about, that they spent $30 million for 50,000 votes or something like that. They're throwing everything they can, right? And it still feels like they could have lost. It's different. Yesterday, people were talking about they're never going to talk about Jews politically.
Speaker 10Yes, they will. They're already talking about them. It's just going to be a gradual process. They're behaving their way into it. They're making approximations. Zionist, well, it doesn't feel like it's good enough. Now we got Jewish supremacist. You know, it's only a matter of time before they say Jews. But you know, Jewish supremacy is good, but I'm just saying we're getting there.
Speaker 10We're chipping away at it. The only thing we have to do is we have to keep going. That autistic kid held the pencil after like four weeks. Then he drew a line after another four weeks. That's eight weeks. Well, it's been eight weeks and he can only draw a line. What's the point? And that's how parents would look at me.
Speaker 10But after a couple of months or a year, now they're writing their name and they're reading and they're like, how'd you do that? It's like magic to them. And that's how we have to look at it. And if I look at it as, We're making this incremental progress that will have an exponential effect later on. If I just look at 2023 up until now, has that happened?
Speaker 10100%. Just today, we were on Diligence Space. We had Sam Parker on there. What the fuck? That's never happened like that before. He's questioning the Jewish stuff because you can't escape it. So we should feel very encouraged. It's not one battle. It's millions of battles, and failing is going to be the norm. It's just a matter of, are you picking yourself up and moving forward?
Speaker 10Believe in humanity. Believe in the power of our brain. Believe in collective power. And get on the ground and get local. There's at least thousands of people that are awake to this problem. We know there's more, but let's just say for the sake of argument, there's thousands of people. If each person, right, there's at least one person in the 50 states of America at the very least.
Speaker 10So get local. You're going to have a lot of ripple effects if you do that. Starting to look into it. I do need more free time to start looking into that. But it's on my mind. And that's me incrementally moving forward. So we should stay strong. I'm proud of our movement. I'm proud of all of us. We've all come a long way.
Speaker 10And, you know, just remember, Yitz is crying every day. In some shape or form, Yitz is not happy. I think that's a good sign.
Ian MalcolmThere's nothing going to make me laugh like Yitz in yesterday's space. Where he goes, oh, no, if we did that, they'd say you're acting like a goy. I mean, I mean, no, no. That was wild to hear in real time. But let's go to Andy. And I don't know if Yankee did or didn't get to contribute. But if not, we'll go there for some final words before we go back up to Dane and Joanne and we wrap up the space.
@froemelandyYeah, so what McMurphy said, like, yeah, they're not trying to win the elections with a plan to govern. They're winning the elections with the intent of destroying our country and destroying Western civilization. That's what Edgar Raines there. He's just a blank slate to do what the Jewish supremacists want of him. He doesn't have any policies.
@froemelandyIf they say vote for an open border, he'll vote for an open border. If they say vote for war, he'll vote for war. He'll vote for whatever he's told to, which is. usually to the detriment of Western civilization, to the detriment of America. He doesn't have our interests at heart. Most of these congressmen don't, and that's why they got rid of someone like Massey, because they don't want one person with their interests at heart.
@froemelandyThey want zero. They want complete control. They don't want one dissenting voice, because they're afraid that one dissenting voice might become two or three or four, and that's the issue. And we're going to really, and that's what people need to realize. Yes, this election was obviously stolen, but, and that's what they want.
@froemelandyThey want us to say, well, the election's stolen. Okay, let's just give up. Let's just accept Vance versus Newsom in 2028, Republican Zionist against the liberal Zionist. And let's just accept that our country's cooked and there's no way out of it. And let's stay home and not do anything. No, if anything, we need to double our efforts and say, we're not going to go away just because you've stolen election.
@froemelandyAnd we're not going to go away just because they stole the election. We can't do that. Our country's at stake.
Ian MalcolmNo, very well stated there, Andy. And I think being moralized and kind of staying the course is exactly what we need to do. And it's the obvious antithesis of what they want us doing, right? They want us to roll over, to be really demoralized and depressed about this. And nope, not going to happen. And for what it's worth,
Ian MalcolmI just want to throw this one out there, because this is just wild, and it goes to our opposition, which is that... Well, actually, first, why don't we go to Dre, who's got his hand up, and then we'll come back to this.
@joann_marieDre? Official?
Speaker 18Yeah, mic check.
@joann_marieYeah, go for it.
Speaker 18I just wanted to... I hope everyone's doing great. except for Zionists, Jews, and their collaborators, and you scumbags, shabbos, goys. So I just wanted to read something from Homily 3 by St. John Chrysostom, an ancient church father, Christian Orthodox. And I quote, The Jews sacrifice their children to Satan. They are worse than wild beasts.
Speaker 18The synagogue is a brothel. a den of scoundrels, the temple of demons, devoted to idolatrous cults, an assembly and criminal of Jews, a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ, a house of ill fame, a dwelling place of iniquity, a gulf and abyss of perdition. The synagogue is a curse. It obstinates in error and refuses to see or hear and has deliberately perverted its judgment.
Speaker 18It has distinguished within itself the light of the Holy Spirit. The Jews have fallen into a condition lower than that of the vilest animals. The debauchery and drunkenness of the Jews have brought them to the level of the lusty goat and the filthy pig. They know only one thing, to satisfy their stomachs, to get drunk, to kill and beat each other up like stage villains and coachmen.
Speaker 18I hate the Jews because they violate the law. I hate the synagogue because it hates the law and the prophets. It is the duty of all Christians to hate the Jews. End quote. Homily 3, St. John of Chrysostom, against the Jews, or Judeos Adversos Orantis. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmNo, I feel like we're going to need daily readings from Official Dre in our spaces just to reaffirm ourselves that these are issues as old as time itself, it seems.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm just going to put this one into the nest here for just a moment because this is not an exaggeration. So this is from Joel Fisher, who has said, this is wild. And then shared Drew Pavlo, another cuck for Jews, post trying to suggest that the real victims of the mosque shooting were actually Jews because the people that shot up the mosque intended to potentially go shoot up the Jews.
Ian Malcolmbut then screwed up because I guess they're incompetent is the suggestion. And so I replied to the post basically saying, so a mosque gets shot up and the Jews are the victim, right? Which is the reality of the world that we live in. It seems like this group of people are just always the victim of everything, even when the everything is their own construction.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm not suggesting in the case of the shooting, obviously, right? Although I could say that I've read that those were trans individuals, right? And where did that come from again? Oh, that's right, weird. Same source, perhaps, right? But this is a group of people that everything has to be about them all the time, it seems like.
Ian MalcolmThere's an atrocity anywhere. Oh, they are the victims. They are the ones doing the genocide of the Palestinians. They are the victims. And that's actually not an exaggeration. They said, woe is us. We have to deal with the psychological damage of having to genocide other people. This is unbelievable that we have to live in this world surrounded by these types of people.
Ian MalcolmNow, that's not me advocating for the kinetic violence or even the expulsion of anybody or anything. But the fact that we have to listen to essentially narcissistic liars lie about everything and then kick out the only person that was willing to be remotely honest in Congress by buying the election. And then we have to listen to the Babylon Bee.
Ian Malcolmthat mocks Thomas Massey for suggesting that Jewish supremacy is the reason that he's pushed out of office, when obviously it was, right? This is literally, like, I look around, and we'll go here to Dane for some parting remarks here in just a second. But it's like looking around and having a bunch of children, like literal toddlers, talking back to the professor or the teacher or the parents.
Ian MalcolmAnd saying, woe is me. Let me tell you why I'm the smartest person ever. And it's like, no, you're four years old. You barely can speak. You stumble and you bumble literally and figuratively around the room. You can't construct a sentence. You can barely walk down the hall. And we have to pretend that you're competent and capable and brilliant.
Ian MalcolmAnd all because you wear this stupid little hat on your head. It's unbelievable. It really is just baffling that we live in this world. So we've got to continue. We've got to continue every day just trying to bring attention to these issues, doing so in a way that is not out of animus, even if at times it feels like utter gaslighting in every direction that we look, right?
Ian MalcolmBut rather for love of that which we are trying to protect, which is our people, our civilization, our heritage. We had the people from Halo in here earlier, right? All they're trying to do is to say we want space for our people. That's all they want is the ability for their culture and heritage, To perpetuate and to imagine that that is somehow in opposition to this group's interests.
Ian MalcolmWell, then what does that say about that group? They want to destroy everything. They feel entitled to do so. And if you push back on it, they claim that you hate them. No, what I hate is people saying that my civilization has to be destroyed for their psychopathic interests. And it's insane that even trying to discuss that with them just begets more gaslighting.
Ian MalcolmIt is really wild, but we're going to continue doing what we can do every single day to bring attention to these issues that two years ago, nobody talked about. And now even mainstream commentators are having to address it. The Babylon Bee is having to gaslight everybody saying it's the Jews that Thomas Massey blames. They wouldn't even use that word a year ago.
Ian MalcolmAnd now they're doing it because they're in panic mode. Everybody sees what's going on. The emperor has no clothes. The emperor also has a tiny dick. And we're all like, you suck. We don't want you here anymore. Just go away and stop pretending that you are somehow impressive or that your clothes that you're not actually even wearing are really desirable.
Ian MalcolmThey're not. We don't want anything to do with you ever again. Just leave us alone. But that is it's barely too much to ask, which is really weird. I can't imagine. going to any restaurant, any club, any social setting, any anything, and to be told by all the people in it, please just leave. And to have my response to then be, but you love me.
Ian MalcolmI want to be here with you. You would think that they would just say, okay, well, we're great. And like you said yesterday, right? He said, Israel's amazing. He wants to go there. And I said, well, then go. And he said, no, no, no, I have to stay here. And then I asked why. And he said, well, they have to have a presence here because they got to make sure that anti-Semitism doesn't develop.
Ian MalcolmWhy? What sense does that make? Can you imagine? Like, try to think about any other group of people doing this. If the Japanese were in America and people were saying, you know, we don't really like you. And they said, well, we love Japan. And you were like, well, go there. No, we want to stay around you and to make sure that you don't dislike us.
Ian MalcolmLike, what a weird... dynamic we find ourselves in. But we will deal with this. We will address it. We will remove this oppressive system for power. We will make the world anew. It will be much better. And we will have a second revolution, this time not from the British, but from a different group that not only treats us as if we are slaves, but literally that the religion of defines us as such.
Ian MalcolmWhat a weird pattern we have seen and what a weird... repetition we are now witnessing of history. But with that being said, let's go to Dane for any final words, and then we'll get some parting remarks from Ms. Joanne before we wind up.
@ceo_superdragonCan I chime in too, please? There's something I'd like to add to this conversation.
Ian MalcolmGo for it, Yankee, real quick.
@ceo_superdragonLook, if you want to get online to become politically charged, the most that you're going to find is outrage merchants and black pills. And if you're into that, you'll find no shortage of drug dealers. that is a lot of these online political movements will amount to and a lot of them are designed purposely to end in stagnation where you are actually not doing anything but listening to people like us talk about the problem and that is part of the solution yes but the other part of the solution lies specifically in you the listener there is a responsibility upon you to
@ceo_superdragonto look in your U.S. district to figure out who is running. Go to Ballotpedia and figure out who is running in your county. Go to their webpage and look at the issues that they're reporting on. Go to their X account and their Facebook account and see the things that they're talking about. I've already found two representatives in my county that are going to run on an anti-Zionist platform that are going to push back against foreign influence and re-migration.
@ceo_superdragonThis is huge because these people have no following. have no outreach they're going to be censored and suppressed and they're not going to be talked about and they're going to run up against an incumbent in your county right now there are people just like that this is a movement that's happening nationwide and there are people that are stepping up to the plate but you would never know it if you only came to these spaces looking for the solutions like you know creating sovereign systems or growing a farm like general wellness advice
@ceo_superdragonYou may say, hey, we're not going to vote our way out of this. And you know what? There's a 99% chance that you're right. And I'm not advocating for the 1% chance of success. What I'm advocating for is you will never be able to build such a strong coalition than people that you campaign with. If you get on one of these persons' campaign and you volunteer with them, you will find like-minded people in your community.
@ceo_superdragonYou will build... coalitions. And in this, we will create an infrastructure that's capable of challenging the system that has usurped power from us. We have to build it from scratch. It's not going to pop up on its own. It's not going to magically appear. And these people that are in power right now, they want to disincentivize you from doing such.
@ceo_superdragonThey want you to think that there's no way, shape, and form that you're ever going to have the capacity to knock off one of their guys in a sense that you would get them voted out. They want you to think that they'll rig the elections and that they'll just mail people in. But that's not the point. The point is we get together, we form coalitions, we form parties, we get money put together, and we build our own empire.
@ceo_superdragonWe build our own parallel system next to theirs by creating unity of like-minded people. That is only done when you put your boots on the ground and you go out there and you do the hard work. So if you want to sit here and hear about how bad things are, I'll be your drug dealer. I will tell you all the bad things that are happening in the world.
@ceo_superdragonBut if you're sick of the bad things happening, like I am too, you're going to get up there. You're going to figure out who you can campaign with and you're going to make friends because that in the end is going to make all the difference. Because if this does go south, man, you're going to have some really tight people that you worked with on the daily that you talked to that were a part of these issues.
@ceo_superdragonface-to-face, not some anonymous guy named Yankee Doodle on the screen, not some anonymous person named Ian Malcolm that can very well articulate all the problems at hand, but you're going to be working face-to-face with people that are actually trying to puncture into a system that is designed to keep us out. And as we continue to push on that at a single point, eventually we're going to break through.
@ceo_superdragonThis is not something that can keep us out indefinitely. This is our country. They are subversive by nature. Now that they have the reins of control, they have to keep it. And I would say with 360 million of us saying no, you can't keep it, the odds are in our favor just by doing the work. So don't be demoralized. Don't give up.
@ceo_superdragonDon't surrender. Do not capitulate to these people. They want you to give up. Just by resisting, you make it impossible for them to maintain power. That's it.
@joann_marieI love that, Yankee. Go for it, Dane, and then I'll say my final words.
@deepdiverdaneNice, yeah. Good monologue there, Yankee. I appreciate that. Just gave you a follow. I think we're very like-minded. Ian. Jan, I appreciate you guys for having me on the space. It was really cool. I really appreciate the way you guys let everybody speak, and it's extremely productive. Pushing forward, I'm going to be making some content, and I'm going to continue being locally active in politics and at the state level.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I encourage you guys, any of you that are Tennessee-based, to look into Monte Fritz's campaign. He's definitely our guy. He's definitely America first. He's definitely the Christian nationalist that can lead this state in the right direction. So I hope you guys check in. To all of those things. And I'll ask for your prayers.
@deepdiverdaneAnd I will pray for all of you. I will pray for our people. And good luck. God bless you. Give me a follow. I'll give you guys a follow back. And like I said, I appreciate your time. And Godspeed, Patriots. God bless.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, Dane. And look, Godspeed and God bless. I love that. It's actually the... A little tagline I almost end every one of these faces with. But before I do, I just want to turn things over to Joanne. And Joanne, I'm curious if you want to kind of take us home with some notes of positivity, especially in light of everything that was shared there by Dane and also by Yankee with some really inspirational words about kind of the power and the importance of local community.
@joann_marieYes, thank you so much, Ian and Dane. I loved everything you said. And of course, everybody. I'm just always so grateful for you guys. It's the most wholesome and most inspirational. Like I always come here and I get my dose of positivity. It's absolutely amazing. And I mean, I live in Mexico and I do wake people up in here, but do go out.
@joann_marieAnd I mean, I'm ducks. Like right now I have like my Lego profile picture, but I normally have my real picture. Yeah, no, I think it's very important to do in-person community, but also here I've met the most wonderful, most inspiring with you, Ian, David, Rabbi, all of you guys, and Dane that I just met you. You're really cool on what you're doing with your people.
@joann_marieIt's absolutely... I wish more people were doing it. So I don't know. It's just... I think these spaces are important for people to realize that there is people out there doing these changes and maybe get inspired to do it. And that's it. And yeah, no black pills ever. And we're winning. Keep resisting. And I love you all and God bless.
Ian MalcolmVery well stated there, Joanne. And look, to echo some of the sentiments throughout the space, look, this idea of America first, right? You've got the... the embodiment and the organization, the political movement, whatever you want to call it, of Nick Fuentes, but as an idea and an ideal. All of our politicians should be putting the interests of Americans first.
Ian MalcolmAnd isn't it wild that somewhere about halfway into this space, we had somebody suggesting that we needed a PAC that was going to be America first? Think about that for a moment. We need a political action committee to actually raise money to try and buy politicians so that they actually put Americans first. Think of how insane the world that we live in has become.
Ian MalcolmAnd then recognize that while that might be possible, maybe that's a good idea, it's then going to be in opposition to Miriam Adelson and all of the other clowns that have endless money that is basically from literally the money printer of the Federal Reserve that then lines the pockets of these psychopaths that run...
Ian Malcolmin the case of Adelson, a bunch of casinos and other degenerate nonsense. Or maybe they'll go back to the well of OnlyFans and get Leon Radavinsky to rise from the dead so they can send some more money to Israel to buy more of our politicians. They've literally built hell. And the cost of admission of it is basically our suffering, which they then use the money that is constructed by that suffering to then buy our politicians to further entrench the suffering.
Ian MalcolmThat's what we are living in right now. It is a merry-go-round of hell. But we are taking a flag and we are planting it firmly through the floorboard of the merry-go-round. We are going to stop it. And then we are all calmly looking over and we're seeing this sniveling, lying, disingenuous snake in the grass that has set up this entire system.
Ian MalcolmAnd we are saying, we're done with this. It's over. Please go away. And it's beautiful because we are going to continue building a larger and larger and more vocal and more vocal group. And I see posts. It's the entire timeline right now. Somebody was talking earlier about the perspective intent that is the demoralization of what took place with Thomas Massey.
Ian MalcolmHere is Nick Mattel. Massey lost because you guys, referring to Dave Smith. aren't as popular as you think you are. You might be popular online where foreigners get to boost your ego. And then he makes some nasty remarks about Thomas Massey. Isn't it ironic given that Massey lost because of literal dual citizenship investment in his opposition?
Ian MalcolmTalking about foreigners boosting the ego. How wild is this? The most unpopular people in the society, in the digital room, They are sitting there and gaslighting and pretending that they are still the heroes of the story. But this time has come to an end. We are going to redefine what it means to be American, to be America first, to be America only, to be frankly American, which means that you value your land, your people, your civilization, and their prosperity.
Ian MalcolmThe people in charge don't do any of those things because they're global bankers who are disproportionately Jews. And we are done with all of it. And so they are going to have to cope and seethe as our voices get louder and louder and louder. And what was once a very hyper fringe piece of the internet becomes the new zeitgeist.
Ian MalcolmThat is what's going to take place. That is what is transpiring in front of our eyes. And we will watch as Ben Shapiro and every other one of the prominent Jews online who, let's be real, they're not all that bright. They're just given really loud microphones because they are basically funded and propped up disingenuously by the very system that enslaves us, right?
Ian MalcolmWe can see them as they cope and they see, then they whine and they cry and we're going to continue winning. And as we do, the world will get better and better. People will get braver and braver, bolder and bolder. And as a result, they will speak more confidently about these issues. And so just know that we will continue winning every day, every way.
Ian MalcolmTomorrow we have a space. I'm very excited for it. It is with Tom Kaczarski, who I spoke with multiple times over the last couple of years. He is an author. He's a former politician. And he comes from a world in which discussing Jewish supremacy was essentially non-existent. And now an idea that we were talking about in a very fringe space about two years ago is hitting the mainstream.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I'm very curious for his thoughts. That conversation is going to be about what does it take to both rebuild at the local level while also taking the reins of power at the national level. I'm very curious for his thoughts. I'm always excited for his tenor, his tone, his humor. I hope to see you all in there and to join for that conversation.
Ian MalcolmIf you can't, I hope it's because you're outside enjoying mother nature, enjoying the sunlight, the sunshine, right? Touching grass, as they say. And I don't say that condescendingly, literally and figuratively, I suppose. Go on, do that. Get in line with Mother Nature. Listen to the birds. Get some sunlight. Go to the gym.
Ian MalcolmBuild yourself up. Try to learn and try to strengthen your mind, your body, and your soul. And until then, I want to wish, as Dane said, everybody, Godspeed on all of our adventures ahead. God bless for everything that you are. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world. We will certainly see you in the next space tomorrow.
Ian MalcolmI look forward to hosting that. And in the interim, as a follow-up, I know Mr. Truthteller is going to be probably opening up in the next hour or so. And so I will certainly see you guys there.