Exposing & Rejecting Christian Zionism

3:16Ian MalcolmAlright Joann, we are ready for another phase This, another conversation, this one with the incomparable, Mr. Or Dr. I should say, Michael Rextonwald. but as we always do, we've gotta kick off the space, Joanne, with our, our, our fun little friendly game here of, of name that tune, in which we not only ask if you can name the artist and the song, but also the reason for the song in the space. So, so Joanne, we'll go to you, and if you can't get it, we'll have to go to the,↗

3:51@joann_marieI finally got it! Yay! I love Tears for Fears. So, yeah, it's Tears for Fears, everybody wants to rule the world, and I love this band and I love that song, and, yeah, no, and, and thank you so much, yeah, finally. And, and Dr. Michael, thank you so much for being here, and, and Laurie, yeah, and, and the amplifiers, of course. No, and, yeah, because it's about how everybody wants to rule the world, and...↗

4:20Ian MalcolmWell, and, and who? Who wants to take it over and what are they doing with it, which, brings us to the subject, obviously of the space and this idea of Zionism, Christian Zionism, and how basically the Christians are being suckered into supporting global domination, at least in my worldview, for the benefit of that very small clique of people by weaponizing the unsuspecting Americans and Western Christians to go and fight their wars and do all All these other horrible things that don't benefit their homeland. And so, Dr. Recktenwald, I thought it was a, a fitting little song to kick us off. We always try to have a little bit of fun and let everybody trickle into the room. so Dr. Recktenwald, I gotta ask first and foremost, if you're a fan of Tears for Fears and that little jingle, and then if so, if you wanna kinda kick off some of the, the discussion here on this topic, I know that, you're certainly excited to share information↗

5:21Speaker 1Hey, thank you so much. It's great to be here, Ian, and thank you, Joann, and thank you, Laurie, too, for coming, and, everybody else this year. I see Andy, I see, I see a lot of people that I, I recognize. Sorry I can't mention you all. But, the song "Tears for," the group "Tears for Fears," great, great '80s band, and, I love that song, "Everybody Wants to Rule the World."↗

5:49Speaker 1I, I It's not true, but I think there are some people that definitely wanna rule the world, but I don't think it's true that everybody does. I do think some people have a particular penchant for wanting to rule the world. So, That being said, why don't I do it this way, Ian? I thought, and then you can tell me if this is okay. I thought I'd, I'd, share for a little while, then stop and, open up for conversation, then come back to what I was-- because I'm gonna tell a bit of a history here about Christian Zionism, where it comes from,↗

6:24Speaker 1wha-- how it got to what it is right now, where, where did it come from, and what, what is it, et cetera. So if you don't mind,↗

6:33Ian MalcolmI think it's a great plan. I know, Andy had his little hands, raised, so I, I, I wanna make sure that we just check in with him really quickly, as we kinda set the table here. And then I think Dr. Ector, that's a wonderful way to go about it, and, and it'll be very interesting 'cause I know that you were in the space earlier. I wanna give a lot of shout out to, Diligent Denison, obviously as a citizen journalist, does wonderful work on this application, and had a↗

7:03Ian MalcolmIf not more heavily weighted, at least the, the portion that I was in, in favor of the Zionists trying to discuss what exactly Zionism is. I think it's a threat to everybody. Some of the people on the panel thought it was a wonderful thing, obviously. but let's go to Andy really quickly and check in with him, and, and then we can certainly dive into Christian Zionism as you'd defined. I'll be very curious, Dr. Eckman, for your thoughts on it, especially, I don't know if you've looked into the, the↗

7:33Ian MalcolmSure that's gonna be part of the, the presentation here, so very excited for it. But Andy, Andy, do you wanna jump in with that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, about wanting to rule↗

7:39@froemelandythe world.↗

7:40@joann_marieJust, just, just really quick, guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and Dr. Michael and Laurie and everyone in the panel, please, of course, Michael and Andy, everyone, honey badger as well. So, yeah, and if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And, yeah, go for it, Andy.↗

7:56@froemelandyYeah, I mean,↗

8:03@froemelandyOver the Middle East, I mean, Mike Huckabee said, "Yeah, they can just take it all, take it all. They can do whatever they want. He just is basically giving them a blank check. Like, just imagine if our ambassador to China said, 'Oh, China has the right to take South Korea and Japan and the Philippines.'" And create the Greater China. Like that would be, like, they would be thrown in jail for treason for suggesting such a ludicrous idea. And it's like, no, like China doesn't have the right to take over those countries. That would be crazy if they were taking like the Philippines and Korea and Japan. So, but if our ambassador suggested that, they'd rightfully be called out for treason, but it's not treason when you can say, "Oh, the Jewish supremacists and Zionists can do whatever the heck they want," that they just get a blank check to subjugate every other group. There's no other group that is trying to do that to a certain extent. Like you make, they s-make up this lie of, "Oh my God, white supremacy. Yeah, whites are so suppressed. We went from thirty-five percent of the world population in nineteen hundred..." To eight percent today, or, oh my God, the Muslims are trying to build a caliphate? No, they just don't wanna be bombed. They're not trying to build a caliphate. Or, oh my God, it's the trans that are taking over society or whatever it is. Like, yes, transgenderism is a problem, but they're not taking over society. They, it's any-- they pin the blame on any other group to deflect from them, 'cause there's only one group that truly does wanna rule the world, and for all intents and purposes, they do for That's why this war is pissing them off so much, 'cause they finally ran into an enemy that can actually beat them in Iran. And Iran's fighting for all of humanity. They've, Nick Fuentes had a really good quote on it. He said, "They turned themselves into a mountain fortress for this eventuality, and they're fighting for all the goyim," and I mean, they truly are. Like Everything's built into a mountain because they knew that this day would come when the, the Jewish supremacists came and tried to take their country out, and they aren't bending the knee to that, and they're like, "No, you're not gonna rule the world. We are gonna stop you."↗

10:11Speaker 1Yeah. So, let me jump in now because, I want, I wanna say that, So, we're gonna talk about Christian Zionism in particular tonight. And okay, then I↗

10:25@froemelandyhave one quick thing on that. I mean, Ted Cruz and,↗

10:29Ian Malcolmgo ahead, Doctor.↗

10:32Speaker 1Okay. Yeah, so I just wanted to start by saying thanks for coming to this space on Christian Zionism, which most people assume is a, a straightforward modern 19th century invention, with dispensationalism and the Scofield Reference Bible and, how Lindsey left behind and a rigid, two-track End time system, but there's a lot more to it than that. the story is very interesting and it is a Christian Zionism actually is two hundred years older than political Zionism.↗

11:11Speaker 1it is a tradition, a Protestant interpretive tradition that really goes back to the second generation of Protestant, reformer-reformers. not, not, not Luther's generation, not Calvin, but the generation after that. so it actually has roots in, in Protestantism. Now, in the beginning of Christianity, there was some sense Of what do we do with, the Jewish religion? You know, what are we supposed to think about it as Christians? This became a significant question, and it was basically answered at first simply by suggesting that,↗

11:55Speaker 1Christianity, once more Gentiles were converted to Christianity, it became suggested effec- effectively that Christianity had superseded what we now call Judaism or the Jewish religion as such, that it had surpassed it and replaced it. Supersessionism, this is called, or replacement theology. and that became the dominant theology all the way through,↗

12:23Speaker 1the, the early, church through Augustine, he was a definite, a-millennialist, and I'll talk about what that means. He wasn't a millennialist, he was an a-millennialist. He didn't believe in the millennium, as it was interpreted by the Christian Zionists that came much later. But anyway, it goes through all the way through until the Protestant Reformation, and then not until the second generation of Protestant reformers. And at this time, what we call Christian Zionism was actually called Restorationism.↗

13:02Speaker 1what-- the point was that According to these restorationists, or what we now call Christian Zionists, they, they insisted that the Jews and the land of Israel would retain an ongoing theological s-significance in God's plan. now, that, really only comes with, this second generation. Let's talk about How the early Protestants thought about the Jewish question, 'cause that's really what this was. This was the Jewish question then.↗

13:41Speaker 1and so, beginning with Luther there was really no home in Christianity for what's called restor- what was called restorationism and what's called Christian Zionism now. I mean, Luther began relatively, with a relatively friendly attitude towards Jews in his essay in 1523 entitled "That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew," and he hoped, that they would convert. But then in his book- On the Jews and their Lies, published in 1543, one of his final major publications before his death three years later, Luther unleashed some of the most vitriolic language of the entire Reformation. He called Jews, quote, "venomous, bitter worms and maggots," end quote, and quote, "First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools, and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings be taken from them." End quote. These writings clearly left no room for restoration. Christianism in the Lutheran worldview. So where did this come from? Well, it grew in, out of Calvinist circles, and especially among the earl-- the English Protestants of the late sixteenth century. Some of the earliest Reformation age Christian Zionists or Restorationists included this guy named Francis Cate. He was an English Protestant ex-- executed in 1589 for his heretical views, which included advocacy for the physical return Of the Jews to Palestine. So at this time, at point in time, it's still considered part of a heresy to be advocating for this. How did that change? Well, we'll see.↗

15:39Speaker 1and then, as, as Donald Lewis traces in his book, A Short History of Christian Zionism, these early voices, this guy, Cat, and another guy, Edmund Bunny, they're, they were a minority by far. But they started to challenge the long standing supersedest or replacement consen-consensus, and laid the groundwork for this Puritan developments of the 17th century, when these Puritans revived apocalyptic hope in the, in this world, you know, happening in this life, they, they, they revived, revi-revived a hope for the apocalypse to come in this life in their living in their time. And so They thought that in order to bring this about, there needed to be the physical restoration of the Jews to it, to the land, the Holy Land, the Promised Land. So anyway, I'll hold it right there 'cause I'm gonna talk about John Milton, the poet, and he was a restorationist, and, then let's throw it open again and, come back to me after, after a while.↗

16:51@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Dr. Michael. And this is, this is brilliant, so thank you so much for, for being here with us and talking about this super important topic. I just wanna say hi to Blaze really quick. Hey, Blaze! Thank you so much for being here.↗

17:05Speaker 2Hi, Joanne and- Happy birthday,↗

17:07@joann_mariequick!↗

17:09Speaker 2Thank you, and Dr. Michael and Ian and everyone. This is such an interesting day, diligence for Mars base today, and this, my goodness, the conversation's, mind-blowing, and I appreciate all the work that you are doing, Dr. Michael. And, I have, we have communicated in the back channels on email, and I'm sorry, I've just been so busy, but I'd love to join, join the team somehow here in the state of Nevada, so I'll be in touch. But I'm excited to learn and listen, as always, on this↗

17:39Speaker 2Day, weekend. That's it.↗

17:44@joann_marieI love that! I know you're gonna do amazing this. She, she's brilliant, Dr. Michael, like she's absolutely amazing.↗

17:49Speaker 1So I know, I know. I see Lori has her hand up.↗

17:53Speaker 3Yes, go for it. Oh, I was just gonna say really quickly, this space is awesome, and Joanne, thank you, and Michael, that was such an amazing history, and it is, it is, it brought to mind here that you could say sort of things that would be extremely Controversial today, I mean, the, that you can't say extremely controversial things that were said a long time ago. When Charles Southwell, he went, he was a, freethinker, in the nineteenth century, and he actually wrote an article, c- entitled The Jew Book in a magazine, The Oracle of Reason, and he attacked what he regarded as, quote, "biblical depravities and inconsistencies." In consequence, he found himself on trial for blasphemy the following year, sentenced to serve a year in Prison in Bristol jail and fined eleven hundred, one hundred pounds. Michael knows all about him 'cause Michael's a scholar in that topic, but I'm just saying, you couldn't never, I mean, you can't even say anything today. I mean, today people could be arrested in Europe for, just very minor comments and all that. He did go to jail, but I'm saying, I think, I think the clampdown is much worse than it-- and Michael probably could speak more that used to have a lot more freedom to be able to,↗

19:07Speaker 3speak controversial- topics about Jews and Zionism and so forth, and it's just-- it's really today it's getting, the, the news is like tightening on speech. But, thanks for letting me comment there.↗

19:22Speaker 1Yeah, that's Southwell. Charles Southwell, and this was in a, a periodical, titled, called The Oracle of Reason, and it was published in eighteen forty-one in Bristol, in England. And in that article, he, as Lori pointed out, was entitled "The Jew Book," and he, he goes off-- and I'm trying to find the exact passage 'cause it's hilarious, really.↗

19:51Speaker 1But I cited it in my, in one of my books, or maybe two of them, and, that's an easier way to get to my books is through my website. Hold on a second, I'm trying to find things on the, on my own laptop. It's much easier to just go to my, through the web and find it there. but, Anyway, this guy Charles Sackler, he writes this, this thing called The Jew Book, and he goes, "That odious Jew production and all this kind of stuff, right?" So he goes to jail. Was it for antisemitism? No, it was for blasphemy. They didn't care about antisemitism. That wasn't-- there were no laws about that. The law was about blasphemy, that's why he went to jail. He went to jail for a year over this. so, that was like common practice, and today, of course, you could, you could go to jail for being a Christian. So things have changed. so,↗

20:48Speaker 1anyway, if I can jump, should I jump back into it, Ian, or, or do we wanna take some more from the floor?↗

20:55Ian MalcolmYeah, let's continue right on course. I, I, I brought up, Best of the Gentile. I also see, Mays in the audience, so I'll send her a mic request if she wants to hop up here. But otherwise,↗

21:07Speaker 1Okay, thanks.↗

21:09Speaker 3can I just say real quick, I knew that he actually did go to jail for blasphemy, and I'm gonna title that 'cause Michael had covered that earlier. I don't think I made it clear, but Michael did clarify. But that, I guess my point, which I didn't wind back to, was that you could, be criticize Zionism and so forth, it's just only recently that's like totally taboo. But go ahead, sorry.↗

21:30Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, you, you really didn't talk about Zionism much in the 19th century Early point of the 19th century as such, but it does, it starts, of course, becomes founded the political Zionism in, in the end, at the end of the 19th century, but, the, e-even the, 'cause even the poet John Milton, who wrote Paradise Lost, one of the greatest poems of, in the English language, as I see it, and,↗

22:00Speaker 1He was-- there's clear evidence that he was a restorationist. He, he wrote about, proto-Christian Zion, he wrote basically as a cro- proto-Christian Zionist of the 17th century, and the Puritans were very proto-Zionist and one might call, their form of Christianity a kind of Judaized Christianity. They start becoming very Judaized. They start to think of the New, the Old Testament as more important than the, Knew or, or to follow all of the laws that the Jews followed in the Old Testament, including like some five hundred, commandments and all this kind of stuff. But anyway, Milton in Paradise Regained writes about,↗

22:46Speaker 1the restoration of Jews to the, to the Holy Land, and then also in a book called De Doctrina Christiana, which wasn't published, wasn't only published posthumously in eighteen twenty-five, it contains further millen, milli, millenarian, which is the right term for, people who believe in the millennium, millenarian material.↗

23:11Speaker 1so anyway but the interesting thing is that Milton supported Oliver Cromwell. Okay? Now, I don't know how many people are gonna recognize this part of the JQ, but the Oliver Cromwell story is a very fascinating one, of course. he's, Milton, the, the poet, served as the Latin secretary for Cromwell, defending the com- the Commonwealth in major prose works. As you may know, Crom- Cromwell exec- you know, undertook an army that effectively captured Charles the first and executed him, as I pointed out in my book, The Ball Question.↗

23:55Speaker 1This was actually fund-- Cromwell was actually funded by some, some Jewish bankers from Amsterdam or thereabouts in the Netherlands somewhere, and, so they were really behind the beheading of Charles the First. They, they funded, Cromwell, and then he let the Jewish, people return to England roughly in 1656, even though there'd been no vote in favor of doing it, he made it a de facto rule, let them in, and then, of course, you, you may not know this, but the, the, the Jewish had-- people had been expelled from England in twelve ninety,↗

24:36Speaker 1for, you know, a clipping coins and usury. So, I mean, these are just historical facts. I'm not saying this prejudicially. This is just, these are historical facts. And in fact, the Magna Carta, published in twelve fifteen. Has two or three clauses about Jewish money lending in it. So whenever anybody talks about the Magna Carta, this document that's pointed to as the, you know, like a, a foundational text for, you know, liberty and rights and so forth, individual human rights,↗

25:13Speaker 1don't forget it has those two passages, those two clauses about money lending, Jewish money lending in particular, because in 1290, after the- After the Magna Carta, you know, some seventy-five years later, there was an expulsion, and they weren't-- the Jews weren't let back into England until 1656. so that's pretty, that's pretty significant. Milton was a big supporter of Cromwell.↗

25:43Speaker 1Cromwell was really a part of this whole Puritan apocalyptic, proto-Christian Zionist, you know, millenarian,↗

25:56Speaker 1Christian, you know, with very Philosemitic leanings. you see a lot of, like I said, Judaizing, Judaizing in, this form of Christianity. So what we could say right now, and I'll stop and bring it back to the floor. Is that, is that, you know, one way to look at this whole thing is that Christian Zionism really is the foundation for Zionism, believe it or not. So you owe it to these Christians who became Judaized in their religious practices, you owe it to them that we have this↗

26:33Speaker 1political Zionism, because without this, this backing, which led to the Balfour Declaration and the support of the Anglo-American world, without that, you don't have, You don't have Israel, and, and you don't have, you don't have this vast support, for the state of Israel. so, let, let's open it back up. I have a lot more to say. There's a lot more to the history. I've only gotten up into the, Reformation and, and after, and the,↗

27:07Speaker 1i-in the, English Revolution of, sixteen, Fifty-something, anyway. No, and, and↗

27:14Ian MalcolmDr. Ertman, it, it, it's wild going back and looking at the dates of some of these expulsions, and how despite the 1600s seeming like a long time ago in the grand scheme of history, I, I suppose it's really not, right? And, it, it brings me, actually, when you mentioned that, obviously the Byzantine Empire, falling in the, the 15th century. I, I, I always reference that because Roman Empire, they talk obviously about the Greeks. There isn't a lot of discussion about the Byzantine Empire or the Eastern Roman Empire, which, you know, carried on long after the fall of, essentially what we would think of as, as Rome under the, you know, the, the Caesar rendition of it, if you will, right? The, the Byzantine Empire, it, it kept on all the way up until, I guess, six hundred years ago roughly, which is, is wild to think about because, a, again, that seems like it was a, you know, a↗

28:11Ian MalcolmBecause it wasn't. But the other piece is that, that empire that, that continued on for centuries, it, it had explicit rules around this group of people having no ability to participate in politics, in education, to have no rules within finance, right? Or roles, I should say. and, and the reason was because they explicitly viewed them as a out group that would continuously subvert. And so they said, "You are a threat to all of us." and, and the only role that they could play within finance Was as an advisor at a senior level, but even then they had no direct authority to make any of the decisions because people said, "All right, you're kinda good with numbers sometimes, but nonetheless, we don't trust you to make any of the decisions." And, and this is again, an empire that lasted for centuries, right? This is far more recent than obviously Egypt and the Roman Empire that we traditionally think of, the Greeks. Nobody talks about this piece of history, and I'm convinced that a lot of it has to do with the fact that- That it had an, just an egregious degree of animus towards this group of people that presently kind of run everything. So, when we go back, and again, you're talking about some of these expulsions, it, it feels like a long time ago, and in the grand scheme of things, really not that long, in, in, let's say, relation to all these other aspects of, of traditional hi-history and antiquities that we discuss.↗

29:35Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, we were talking about this, the, the- The, early modern period, yeah, this is very, very near to us, and it's very impactful on us too. It's not-- the effects of this period are still felt, of course. but, then we could jump to-- there was some German analogs to the English, you know, Puritan,↗

30:01Speaker 1apocalyptic proto-Christian Zionists. You had the German Pietists, the-- they were a Philosemitic group. that began with this guy Philip Jacob Spener in 1675, and he just, you know, thought that the, that the-- He, he also believed that there was a promise of the land to the Jews, and they would be restored to it, and in the meanwhile, they have to have the same re-- they should be kept in the same regard as they were held in the Old Testament, et cetera, et cetera.↗

30:35Speaker 1So you have, that going on, a kind of- like a, a philo-Semitism that's, starts to allow the, the, the Christians to modify their own, doctrines in order to sort of deal with the Jewish question in a favorable way. Now, it's In a sense, you might say these Christian Zionists were looking at the Jewish people as kind of a prop to get to the apocalypse and to get to the second coming and so on and so forth. They were just like a prop. We had to get them back in the Holy Land quick so we can have the second coming. But on the other hand, you could look at it like they, they were, They were manipulated, by the Ju- you know, they got manipulated by, by the Jewish people later, and, and, in the 19th century, we moved from this passive restorationism that we saw in the,↗

31:33Speaker 1Reformation to a kind of, active, Active Zionism, Christian Zionism, an active, belief that we could, in this life, in this, in the current present circumstances, return the Jews to, the Holy Land. So there were people like Lord Shaftesbury who began advocating this, and then, this is England, of course, and then, there was a trajectory within broader Protestantism which retained the non-Zionist reading largely, and this is all- Always been the majority view.↗

32:11Speaker 1I talked to my brother the other day, and he's a Methodist. I asked, "Do the Methodists, are they Christian Zionist?" Absolutely not. They reject Christian Zionism. So it's basically the Baptists and, a lot of, most of the Evangelicals, and then there are some in all the other churches, of course, but it's not a, a dominant strain.↗

32:36Speaker 1then of course we get to this guy John Nelson Darby. I don't know if anybody's heard of him, he's a British, intellectual, very smart guy. I ran across him in some other research in the past. in connection with a, guy named Francis Newman, who was a brother of John Henry Newman, who was a friend of this guy, John Nelson Darby, who was the founder or father of what's called pre-dispensationalism, and, that is this idea that God has different-- there's different dispensations that God, institutes or ushers out into the world at different times. And, and then he had a two-track theology where the Jews had a different path to salvation than the Christians. Of course, Christ said in the, in the Gospel, "Um, I am the way, the truth, and the life." No one, no one goes to the Father except through me. so he-- this is pretty clear in Christianity, there's no two-track salvation. But they twist it and get to this, two-track salvation. The Jews have a different path. The promises are kept with them, for them. the Old Testament promises, God doesn't break His promises, this is what they say, naturally.↗

34:00Speaker 1so- And then you get into Herzl, and Herzl has, has a, has a Christian Zionist advocate and friend named William Heckler, and these-- this guy goes to town doing, doing Herzl's busy work and doing his business, basically doing his bidding all the way. And then, of course, p-- people often, say that John Darby founded Christian Zionism. This is, not, not even close to true. And- Not all Christian Zionists are dispensationalists,↗

34:35Speaker 1but they are mostly millennialists, pre or post, most of them are pre-millennial, and that means that they believe Jesus comes before the millennium, a, a, a one thousand year reign on earth. But before He comes for the millennium, He first raptures the Christians' church into the sky. That means he sucks them up sort of with, like a ho-- a supernatural Hoover, into the sky and takes them to heaven. Then he comes back after the seven year tribulation and, and establishes his rule on earth. That's, that's really the pre-millennial, pre-trib dispensationalist view. I mean, this-- the terms are ridiculous. You wouldn't believe how many terms there are,↗

35:27Speaker 1in this Christian Zionist lexicon. It's incredible. So Anyway, open it back up because we're gonna go into the Belfour Declaration and then, of course, the founding of Israel. So let's just open it back up.↗

35:42Speaker 4Alright, thank you. Mace, welcome. Hi, guys. Thank you. This is so informative 'cause I, I often hear these different thoughts and they're just scattered and it, like, around and you just really don't know where they belong and what they align to. you know, especially about the secret, not secret rapture, but I guess the separate or pre-rapture. And, and I think, so I have a question about that. Do you think that the reason why this was, Kind of injected was to not scare the Christian Zionists into supporting the apocalypticism or whatever, like, so it's like, you won't have to deal with this, you know what I mean? Just go, like-↗

36:23Speaker 1Oh yeah, oh yeah, I often thought that the pre-trib- Rapture. That means, okay, there's gonna be seven years of trials and tribulations, which are gonna be horrendous, like horrible things going on. Mass, you know, murder everywhere, starvation, floods, earthquakes, you know, natural and, and human-made disasters. and it'll just be mayhem, like the whole order of the universe like drops out.↗

36:51Speaker 1But prior to that, the Christian church gets raptured up out of there beforehand, so they don't have to go through the trib at all. And that's called pre-trib, pre-trib, pre-millennial, pre-millennialism. That's one form of Christian Zionism. I mean, so many forms of Christian Zionism, it's unbelievable. That's one form.↗

37:18Speaker 4Wow, okay, thank you for that. That was all that I had.↗

37:26@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much, Mace. Honey Badger, go for it, welcome!↗

37:31Speaker 5Hey, thank you, Joanna. I like what Mary said. I think it's awesome that you guys are doing this space because there's so much history behind this, and, you know, and so much that's been buried, you know, for hundreds of years, and you really do have to unravel all of the things that happened, you know, through church history in order to understand where these, like, branches broke off and how, like, far off the rails things went, and, you know, like, we're, like, Catholics joke, you know, like in regards to suffering and stuff,↗

38:01Speaker 5You know, we're not gonna escape anything, Jesus didn't, but I mean, like, you know, like good luck, you know, good luck threatening me with suffering because I'm into that sort of thing. But, you know, but point being that, you know, there is no, there is no rose garden, and so it's antithetical to Christianity in general. But I think that also, it's important to realize, so a couple of things, but like that happened during the Reformation even, like, and so fifteen hundred on, but even prior to↗

38:27Speaker 5that, and You know, for the people in the audience, because I think, again, there's so many people who have questions and they really don't, you know, know these things. So, but if, if you don't mind, just like a couple of things to interject, you know, as you know, Spain is a Catholic country, and in fourteen ninety-two, they entered their golden age. That's when they removed every Jew from the country, and, you know,↗

38:52Speaker 5Spain really did like enter, you know, a, a beautiful time in that country, But also if anybody, doesn't know, and I'll just read the very last line, I put it down in the purple pill, but, and because Theodore, Theodore, Herzl, which I'm sure that you're going to get to here in a little bit, but, the father of Zionism, you know, actually approached Pope Pius the Tenth, you know, asking to, you know, spread this sort of propaganda amongst Catholics, you know, to protect them in Jerusalem, and to which Pope, Saint Pope Pius X, you know, responded, you know, and so if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready to baptize you when you get there, because, you know, again, the, the faith, the Christian faith believes that, you know, Jesus Christ was the third temple, it's done. You know, you are not God's chosen people, as a matter of fact, the, you know, Israel belongs to Christianity. And so, but that stance has been unwavering. Now what you have seen I think,↗

39:59Speaker 5is this sort of, oh gosh, I'd say like, you know, seventy years of people being confused about what the church taught, but I'm really thankful, believe it or not, this is one thing about AI, these things are right at your frickin' fingertips, you really don't have to research very much, you can, you know, I mean, I know a lot of people are anti-AI, I'm not, I'm an enthusiast, but nonetheless, you know, like this information is kinda coming at people with the With like a fire hose, because it's so readily available now. Does, does that make sense? You know, so towards you actually had to be a scholar to, you know, research these things prior, perhaps learn about them in, you know, in like a comparative religion class perhaps or, you know, a foundations one-on-one class, you know, something like this. Now it's, it's available at people's fingertips, so I, I feel encouraged that, you know, these questions are being answered because it can't be hidden anymore. It can't be hidden under this, this, you You know, like this cloud of dust and smoke and propaganda that it had been for so long. And so, anyways, but thank you for doing this tonight, Ian and, and Michael, I really appreciate you guys, and of course, you, Joanna.↗

41:10@joann_marieHi. Thank you so much for joining us, honey. Titus, welcome, go for it!↗

41:18Speaker 6Yeah, thank you very much, and happy Pentecost Sunday to all the Catholics and Christians, obviously. so, I mean, it's interesting that, so I, you know, as Ian brought up, the Byzantine Empire, right? He brought up the Byzantine Empire. the Codex Justinianus actually, interestingly enough, barred the Jews from any sort of political power or any role in the state, right? They were just supposed to be subservient, subjects of the- State. Another thing to mention is there was even a certain period, right? This is during the Byzantine Empire where the Byzantines actually barred the Jews from entering Jerusalem because of their sin of diocide, right? Because the Jews had committed diocide when they crucified Christ. So basically, one of the laws, established by the Byzantine Empire, right, in their early days, right, the Eastern Roman Empire obviously, was they barred the Jews from entering Jerusalem and, that Jerusalem was not, was supposed to be a Jew-free area, basically.↗

42:25Speaker 6so that's number two. number three in regards to the, in regards to what Martin Luther said about the Talmud, it's actually, he, he isn't the fir- he's not the first person that brought, that, actually had this sentiment, back in, I believe it was like twelve forty, twelve forty-two, something, some, somewhere around that, that time, in the Disputation of Paris King Louis the ninth pretty much,↗

42:52Speaker 6you know, ordered all, every single Talmud in France to be burnt because of how blasphemous and, you know, and just horrific it was. so that's number three. But I also have a question to, Michael, which is, it's more so like w-in regards to Calvinism and Zionism, right? So because I'm aware of the fact that, John Calvin- Had a very, he had, he had sort of a similar sentiment towards the Jews as Martin Luther, but he wasn't as,↗

43:25Speaker 6you know, he didn't really, advocate for like, say, Talmud burnings or synagogue destructions, but he still had the notion that, Yeah, he was a, he was a,↗

43:36Speaker 1yeah, he was a, a, a restorationist. He was like a proto-Christian Zionist. He didn't believe, he didn't believe, I'm sorry, he wasn't a restorationist. He wasn't a proto-Christian Zionist. He didn't, he didn't believe in the return. He held on to the Augustin view, Saint Augustine or Augustine of Hippo, his view, which is that, you know, look, there was the, the millennium is something that happens in the church, it's the church, the church Is the millennium, it happens in the millennium, it's the church age, as it were. So, yeah, he's, but his success, some of his successors indeed, like this, Kett guy, he was very, very, very,↗

44:20Speaker 1very, very, enthusiastic about the, you know, rest-restorationism and returning the Jews to, Israel or what they call Israel, and, so yeah, there, there's a few people there. Yeah. So my↗

44:33Speaker 6question would be, is like Was there sort of a Jewish hand in the-- because I mean, Calvin wasn't having this whole Christian Zionist nonsense, right? But his successors were more into the idea. So was there sort of like a Jewish hand that manipulated these people into eventually falling for this? I don't,↗

44:51Speaker 1I don't know. I, I can't, I can't say that for sure. Well, let's look at some par-- some history here. So I mentioned that, Cromwell, came in, in, you know, Cromwell wrote, came in basically about 1650, you know, threw, overthrew the, you know, committed regicide in effect, you know, chopped off Charles the first's head, got in power, established the Commonwealth. very soon after, he let the Jews in, back in, since they'd been expelled in 1290. So here you have, this. So then, of course, the bank, you know- Bank of England's founded, William of Orange, et cetera. Anyway, the point being that↗

45:35Speaker 1you have, now let the Jewish people back in England about 1656, and, you have Seven, in this, in the, in the next, in the next, century, you have a tremendous surge now in Christian Zionism in, in the, in the Puritan, community in England. Okay? So that's really what happened. So indeed, you could say that once they readmitted them, they have starting to have influence. That's the only way we can really see it unless we know that there were some people that had a Jewish friend and so on and so forth. Of course, this does happen. In the 19th century and 20th centuries, of course, and the 21st. But yeah, I'm sure there were people that had Jewish friends, but, you know, institutionally when England let the Jews back in, interestingly, Christian Zionism blossoms in the next, century. So that might be an answer to the question.↗

46:37Speaker 6Thank you.↗

46:38@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Titus. I wanna welcome David to the space. Hey, David, how are you? Thank you so much for being here.↗

46:46Speaker 7How are you?↗

46:48@joann_marieI'm good.↗

46:50Speaker 7Good to see you all.↗

46:53Speaker 7By the way, a little correction on John Calvin. Yeah, he actually, he actually excoriated. Jews, he basically said they had no integrity and weren't to be trusted.↗

47:03Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. I, I was just saying he wasn't a Christian Zionist or a restorationist, yeah, but I know he had, he wasn't quite as vitriolic as Luther. Yeah, he↗

47:13Speaker 7said in his, commentary on Daniel, he said that he had much conversation with many Jews, and he said he never, he'd never seen either a drop of piety or a grain of truth or ingenuousness. He said, "I never found common sense in any Jew, so obviously he was rather unimpressed."↗

47:33Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I guess I'll get back into it here. so, we're up into the, we went through Darby, and now we're getting into Herschel. And, there's a good, book about Darby, so Darby isn't the beginning of Christian Zionism at all, and, and dispensationalism isn't the only kind of, Christian Zionism, so that should be, that should be dispelled. But Herzl has a friend, as I said, with this William Heckler, he's very Christian Zionist, and, he wrote a book called The Restoration of the Jews to Palestine According to Prophecy, and 1882 became Herzl's sidekick or best friend or at least his Shabo, Shabo's Goy, as it were. He really did the guy's bidding every, you know, and then all this Anglo-American support, which begins in the 1830s, really then by 1970, is strong enough such that they can put forward the, the Balfour Declaration, which of course was, advanced by David Lloyd George and Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour, both were shaped by, biblical An evangelical Christianity, by the way, and they supported the Balfour Declaration, of course, which set, which viewed, quote, "With favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people," end quote, in Palestine, notice. And then, and, and then it says,↗

49:09Speaker 1then the Balfour Declaration says, they support a national home for the Jewish people. Now, this didn't emerge in a vacuum. This took centuries of British Christian Restorationism, to make it happen, and, that, of course, that restorationism always developed in tension with the more dominant supersedest replacement theology, which is, I think, the orthodox Christian view.↗

49:40Speaker 1So I would say in short, Zionism itself may be understood as an ideology first developed and per-promoted by Christians, and later discovered and embraced by secular Jewish intellectuals, and finally by the rabbinical class, most of it, as an answer to the Jewish question after World War II. Zionism began as a Christian religious ideology. Let's be clear about, let me say that again, Zionism began as a Christian religious ideology. It was later harnessed by Jews to establish and support a Jewish state. And I will say further that I think Christian Zionist millennialism is a Judaized materialist interpretation of scripture. It fulfills the Jews' hope for a Messiah who rules on earth as opposed to heaven. The whole eschatology represents a despiritualization and Judaization of Christianity. My critique is a classic and long standing one. It goes straight to the heart of the deepest divides in Christian theology for the last eighteen hundred↗

50:50Speaker 1I'm essentially articulating the amillennial supersessionist perspective, shared by much of historic Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and many Reformed traditions, that a literal earthly millennial kingdom centered on national Israel represents a regression, a Judaization or carnalization of the gospel. It turns the spiritual heavenly realities accomplished in Christ back into the old material national and earthly hopes of a first century Judaism. The New Testament repeatedly spiritualizes Old Testament promises. The land becomes the whole earth, where the new creation. The temple becomes the church or the individual believer. Jerusalem becomes the heavenly Jerusalem. Jesus himself said, "His kingdom is, quote, 'not of this world.'" And the true worshippers were, were, were wor- were worshiping spirit and truth, not at a specific mountain or temple location. And, you know, so↗

51:54Speaker 1I think, my instinct that this particular strain of, you know, I don't even think it's really, I think it's heretical, but I'll leave, I'll leave that up to the theologians, but I think, it is a really, this is a materialist, Permutation of Christianity. It turns Christianity into Judaism, in effect. and I'll leave it at that. I think let's open it up to the floor again.↗

52:21Ian MalcolmThat was really beautifully stated there, Michael. And, and, Joanne, I'm kind of curious because we've, we've taken so many historical dives into this subject, this is certainly a, a, a very curious one. I think that it plays really nicely, again, off of the work that Dilligent was doing earlier, where Dr. Recktenwald and others were kind of, essentially evangelizing their take on Zionism as a political movement, right? But this, this aspect of Christian Zionism was curious is we- We know about it in modernity, let's say the last hundred years, but what Dr. Eckenwald is basically showcasing is centuries worth of subversion from all these various angles to, to basically pick apart and, and ultimately utilize religiosity to invert the very things that that religion essentially constructed, right? It's taking Christianity, turning it on its head, and weaponizing it to bring about the very kingdom that Christ spoke antithetically to. so Joanne, I'm, I'm kinda curious to your thoughts on that, and then let's go back to, Honey Badger.↗

53:25@joann_marieYeah, thank you, Ian. Yeah, it's amazing because a lot of people, including myself, I, I, I didn't know that Christian Zionism even was a thing, like three years ago. Like I had no idea. Like, I knew some people and Christians or like Catholics, I don't know, like they supported Israel, but I didn't know that it was like an entire thing. So, yeah, it's Also to help people realize how the brainwashing began and how the consequences of that, because it, it's absolutely insane. And, yeah, no, I'm just really happy that you're having this space, Ian, so thank you.↗

54:06@joann_marieHoneybunny, go for it.↗

54:10@joann_marieOh, and also, guys, please repost this page and follow Ian and, and Dr. Michael and everybody on the panel. And thank you so much for being here. Sorry, go for it.↗

54:17Speaker 5No, thank you, guys. I just wanted to make one distinction, Michael, when you mentioned replacement theology versus covenant theology. And covenant theology, I believe, is what Calvinism teaches. but just to make the distinction, so if anybody doesn't know, replacement theology is basic-- So covenant theology is basically- Like the belief that,↗

54:42Speaker 5like leans back to the Old Testament and says, "Yeah, you know, you are God's chosen people, and, you know, we have promised, you know, Israel is what it was in the Old Testament, the same as it is now." Like, I'm just paraphrasing it, but, but, but that's kind of what it is. It, it sort of borders, Protestant, you know, Protestant theological system, and, you know, and it's associated with like any kind of, reformed theology like Calvinism. Now, to where as, replacement theology, on the other hand, you know, teaches that the church has replaced Israel and God's plan, period. Okay? So in other words, like Israel ceased to exist, now, you know, everything belongs to the church. But, but what-- and just to make the distinction for everybody, but the Catholic perspective is a little bit different. we actually don't believe, in-- we don't teach replacement theology, like as those, any- Everybody is cursed. Everybody is, you know, Jesus died for the sins of every person and to whomever, you know, will accept Him as, you know, the Son of God. You see, like, then that, and that will profess that salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone.↗

56:01Speaker 5and so there's, I mean, I could kinda go into the distinctions more, but it's just, it's a good thing to kinda remember where I think some of these, you know, some of these things, like the words that you're using, such as dispensationalism, you know, replacement theology, you know, all of these other things that the, where the, where the core tension comes from, I think. Does, does that make sense? You know, I'm gonna, 'cause like, again, just the difference, you know, like, the Catholic position↗

56:30Speaker 5You know, where like everything that's hidden in the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.↗

56:35Speaker 1Yeah,↗

56:36Speaker 5I think,↗

56:36Speaker 1the better way to think about it for even the-- I don't even like the term replacement, I use supercessionist usually. Supercessionist, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which is kind of like the concept there is, it's kind of like this term sublation, S U B L A T I O N, which means to sublate something is to both destroy, preserve, and to preserve it at a higher level. So there's, there's, there's the fulfillment while at the same time exceeding and superseding and, you know, transcending the previous covenant. So I think that's how I understand supersedationism. Replacement does sound like you're just bumping them off, right? Yeah. But, but,↗

57:21Speaker 1So, you know, the equation of those two, I, yeah, it's a good point, I think, but, most of these scholars are seeming to equate the two, as I see it. I don't- So, like, it's↗

57:29Speaker 5because, like, again, like, it, it really just, and just to make the distinction, because I, a lot of this, a lot of- I think we can agree, a lot of the-- what we're talking about in terms of Christian Zionism came through refor-- the Reformation. It came through, you know, these Protestant strains as they, you know, kind of played with it, you know, and so, and so because-- and so I make that distinction because what the Catholic position is best described as fulfillment theology. You know, Christ fulfilled the covenant made with Israel through Jesus Christ, though, and that's the distinction. And you can't have one without the other. The other, the church is the fulfillment and continuation of God's covenant with His people, which is all people, because He died for all people, you know? And the new covenant fulfills, but doesn't abolish the old covenant. So in other words, it's like, you know, you can't, you know, everything that's hidden in the Old Testament is revealed in the New, but you can't have one without the other. Ergo, you must have both to, like, and this is taught through biblical typology, you know, et cetera. And I mean, that's But just to get-- because it seems like a small distinction, but it really isn't, because we have to remember why Jesus died. He died for the mercy of all people. You know, it's like there are no people that were better considered, and that's important, and that's an important distinction because otherwise, you know, we'd be told such things as Ted Cruz wants us to believe, which is we owe a moral obligation to the Jews as, you know, for, for killing Jesus or whatever kind of crap he says. But you see, there, nobody supersedes Anybody, you know, in the cross of Christ. I think that that's the distinction, that's why it's important to look at it as the fulfillment of the covenant of, you know, all of God's, all of God's children, not just the, you know, there are no special kids. Because again, like, it, it says in the Old Testament, the, the chosen people, but the chosen people had a choice to make, and they chose wrong.↗

59:30Speaker 1Yeah, there's a lot of people waiting to talk. do you wanna handle that, Joe, or should-↗

59:37Ian MalcolmWe definitely can, yeah. Let's, let's bounce through some of the hands. not sure if, i-if, "Best of the Gentiles" wanted to, to jump in, and if not, we can go to, "Censored British Night." And Lori, you're always welcome to jump in at any point, of course.↗

59:54Speaker 3Sure.↗

59:58Speaker 8go ahead. You doing, yeah? Thanks↗

1:00:00Speaker 3for having me on. No,↗

1:00:00Speaker 8pop in. Sorry, I've been doing gardening, gardening outsi- outside, so I'm a little↗

1:00:08Speaker 8so I, I had a question, and this might be a little bit off topic, but, and I'll direct this towards Michael. what is your answer to the JU or the, the JQ question? Like, what, what do you see as, as far as what needs to be done? I think I know from being in your spaces from what your answer would be, but, if you could give me what you, you think it would be.↗

1:00:40Speaker 1Well, that's a good question. Alright, so I just wanna say a few, you know, get a few terms straight. First of all, I'm not a genetic determinist, so I don't believe people are genetically determined towards behaviors necessarily. I do believe there is, you do have, epigenetics and, you do inherit, behavioral traits, that are even As early as the previous generation. So, there is a lot of inheritance of, you know, of traits, of course. But, I don't believe that, it makes you necessarily,↗

1:01:18Speaker 1evil. You can, opt out of that. So my view is that basically, I don't know what Jews are. Okay, so let's put it that way. First of all, nobody can define it, well enough to my satisfaction, like, what is it? Who are these people? It's basically, it's if you identify as one and you're accepted by others, that seems to be the main criteria, and then you're kind of in the club.↗

1:01:45Speaker 1but otherwise, I don't know, I don't even know what- I↗

1:01:48Speaker 8agree with, I agree with that definition. I agree with that definition. So going forth from that How do you solve the problem? I,↗

1:01:56Speaker 1I think you appeal to people like, to, to get out of the ideological blinders, indoctrination that they've been under, and I think it is intense. They, they do indoctrinate these people very heavily, both in the Christian and the c-Jewish, religion, but in Ju-Judaism, there's a tremendous amount of intense indoctrination, especially of the Israelis. But, you know, anybody that goes to a,↗

1:02:26Speaker 1A synagogue school is gonna get heavily indoctrinated. So, I, I mean, the, the answer to me is, is environmental. We have to get, you know, hopefully encourage people to, to elude the ideological blinders that they're under. I don't, I don't believe in,↗

1:02:49Speaker 1Like I, I just don't, I just don't believe in, it's, you know, full, like fully genetic determinism at all. I, I think there's plenty of wiggle room for people to change. And likewise, I would say the best chance they have is just to opt out of it, opt out of the group.↗

1:03:05@joann_marieI think holding accountable is really important as well.↗

1:03:09Speaker 8I agree with that statement. So, but here's where, and I'm probably considered a radical In, in my ideas. Once we've identified you as being part of the tribe, because you have self-identified with that, whether or not stating the fact or that you are in, you know, a yeshiva or you're a rabbi or, you know, any of these people,↗

1:03:38Speaker 8we go back thirty-five hundred years to when Moses came down from the mountain, and we see Aaron's golden calf. And these people have been defying God and humanity for the last three thousand five hundred years. So, and sitting in, in Ian's space with Sam Parker, watching, you know, Sam Parker go back, I think he might even gone back further than, than the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and seeing all the assassinations that are Tied to the Jews, and the fact that all throughout history they had laws barring them from any type of,↗

1:04:26Speaker 8public office or any type of power The only thing that I can see at this point is a complete deracination of the Jews in the United States, and what I mean by that is they all need to be gone if humanity needs to continue. And when I say need to be gone, I'll use Hitler's final solution, and it's not Hitler's final solution of death, Hitler's final solution, I can post the video, in the purple pill. Was to eradicate them all by sending them to Madagascar on an island where they couldn't expand from↗

1:05:03Ian Malcolmand to hold them there. Well, hang, hang on, and hold that real quickly. I want to come in and add a little bit of context for that. So, like, I don't want to come in and add a little bit of context for that. I know, hold on a second, hold on a second. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not advocating- I'm gonna have to be very specific here. So first and foremost, no advocacy of any violence against anybody in these spaces The other thing that I wanna really be specific with is the, the term eradication doesn't really have any place within the final solution as it was documented by the National Socialists with Adolf Hitler, who did discuss Madagascar. There was also the idea of mass relocations of those people that he viewed as not being essentially loyal to Germany, 'cause don't forget that, that, this didn't apply, kind of like Dr. Rextonwall's, comment earlier. earlier about genetics and predispositions, right? This didn't apply to any and all Jews in Germany. It was basically those Jews, that didn't fight in the First World War and that didn't have loyalties to the German government. If they were sympathetic with communist intents or ideas, then he said, "You have to leave." But I wanna be very specific, 'cause the term eradication and Madagascar, they don't really have any relation. When I↗

1:06:16Speaker 8say, when I, when I say eradication, I mean total and complete removal. From the United States. We've seen what they've done when they got a, a, a homeland called Israel. Once they established that beachhead, they have completely moved out from there to, to establish their Greater Israel. And this is how the Jews do it with their subversionist talk When they say the final solution, there is no piece of paper that ties the final solution to any death, death camps, murder, gassing, or any of that. The final solution, as written in the book Mein Kampf, was to put them all on Madagascar and let them have at themselves, create their own shit there. They don't create anything, they don't build anything, they're parasitic. Can I just add on what↗

1:07:06Speaker 3Michael said before, like his, the reason, you know, the Christian Zionism, if possible, just to switch gears a little bit on this, before, As Michael was revealing his history and he's getting up into the political realm, I just wanna point out that it seems to be, if you put it on a graph, it would show like a rocket ship, you know, of the percentage of if there's any politicians or great,↗

1:07:35Speaker 3business people or whatever that are against the merging of Christian Zionism, they seem to be taken out in one form or another. it, you can go through this. No, I, I just dovetail So, but that, that's, that's↗

1:07:49Speaker 8my point. If you plot every time-↗

1:07:52Speaker 3Wait, hold on, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, let, let her finish. Thank, thank you. I was just thinking, and it's kind of crazy, but Richard Nixon, when you read that history, you know, Watergate, where they tape, tape a lock on the outside, I mean, it's absurd. It's obviously so they wouldn't be caught and all that. I'm just saying, you, you go through so many politicians, and if any-- Even it could be Epstein, whatever, you know, and these people, and it's just, like I say, if you look at an agriff, if you're against Christian Zionism, as the political, you know, octopus goes forward, I'm just saying, you must embrace it or you are now punished or penalized or deprecated or whatever word you wanna use. I just wanted to add that, 'cause as Michael was giving his history, I was thinking, hopefully he goes into, you know, I know he was in nineteen seventeen with the Balfour Declaration, I hope he↗

1:08:48Speaker 3Beyond that, he may not, but if he does, it'd be great. Thank you for letting me, comment on that. I,↗

1:08:54Speaker 8I hope he does go further, 'cause I love learning history. But Everything that I've listened to in history, if you connect all the data points, anytime the Jews are given any type of sympathy and then granted power or money changing or, or money lending, they then use that for bribery, extortion,↗

1:09:19Speaker 8like Plot all the data points of any time they've been given any type of this power, and you'll see where they rise to power and then they get kicked out of power. We all know the, the hundred and nine times, a thousand times they've been kicked out of, of countries. If we don't deal with this in our time, we're gonna be dealing with this in fifteen years, in twenty years, in thirty years, in forty years. It is an existential threat To the United States and to humanity. I'm not advocating for any type of death or work camp or anything like that, but any-- if we have, if we show any type of sympathy, towards them, they will use that.↗

1:10:07Speaker 8their goal is to win no matter what, whether it be through assassinations, briberies, sex-tortion, whatever. We're not playing to win. The Christians aren't playing to win, and that, and that's where, like, I have a hard time just like identifying it as we need to get rid of the Zionists. The Zionists wouldn't have no power if the Jews weren't behind them. The Jew is the one behind the curtain, just like, just like in, in,↗

1:10:40Speaker 8but if you↗

1:10:42Speaker 1look at this history though of what I was talking about with Christian Zionism, you'll see that it's not just, you know, that you have this whole Anglo, Saxon and Anglo-American establishment in the early, like in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, okay? They're bending over backwards doing the Jew's bidding, okay? They're, they're facilitating all this. They're, they're- Right.↗

1:11:05Speaker 8So, so they are the ones that we need to de-deracinate, is the Jew, not- The Zionists, but the Jews. The Zionists have no power. What↗

1:11:13Speaker 1I'm trying to say is that you said sympathy, give them sympathy or, you know, cooperate or lend them power or anything like that. Well, that's what these Zionist, Christian Zionists did. They handed over a lot of power to these people, and that Israel is the result.↗

1:11:34Speaker 8But, but they, they wouldn't have had that power if they, if they didn't exist in the, in the first place. So let them go exist on an island where they can have all the power that they want,↗

1:11:47Speaker 1whether it be Somaliland. I don't think- In a digital world, you're not gonna be able to isolate people unless you push them off of the planet. You have to get them completely off the grid. I mean, there's no way to isolate- Well,↗

1:11:57Speaker 8in, in that case, then we might as well just throw up our hands and we all should just↗

1:12:04Speaker 3Just inject real quick, Azapac, the PAC Michael founded, Andy Zio, American PAC, funds candidates on both sides that are for, mainly for America First, but for, people that will not take a single penny from APAC and, you know, don't embrace Israel. And I'm just saying, so there are some solutions other than the final one, huh, huh, huh. I, I get that.↗

1:12:26Speaker 8I'm, I'm, I know that I'm a little bit crazy in what I'm saying. No, I'm biased. I think you're↗

1:12:34@joann_marieHold on, hang↗

1:12:35Ian Malcolmon, hang on, hang on, hang on. And, and I wanna, I wanna jump in just again 'cause the, the, some of the language was a little extreme there. and look, the thing that I would say is that oftentimes when people have a problem, right? You want to fix everything, right? If the house is on fire, oh no, I, I run out the front door, I'm now looking back, the house is on fire. How do I just fix everything instantaneously and go back to what, what was before the fire?↗

1:13:04Ian MalcolmWhat we need to do is to figure out what we can do to start fixing what is a very large problem that took centuries to be put in place, right? And the first thing that we need to do in order to do that is to note the problem, which is the difficulty when the problem is at its core designed for subversion, right? Through deception we shall wage war. The deception's over. We see exactly what is going on. We're now Able to put a flag in the ground and a line in the sand and say, "Nope, no more. This is over. We are now going to defend what is ours." Right? And so I, I can agree to some sense that,↗

1:13:47Ian Malcolmthere is a need to fix all of these various problems and that perhaps maybe there is a justification to say, in order to prevent the subversion from never happening, there is some world in which an extreme measure that might require restricting or labeling or whatever All of that, you can essentially encapsulate that and shoot it out into outer space for the time being, because those things are way too grand in scale. What we first have to do is, again, note the problem, note what we start to do to start reversing that problem, and that's why I think As the Pack is a wonderful start, 'cause it's, it's backing candidates that are actively discussing this issue. Thank you.↗

1:14:29Speaker 8I, I love your diplomacy, Ian, and I fully agree. Hold↗

1:14:33@joann_marieon, hold on. Okay. If they get held accountable, they're going to stop this madness, and also once they get, like, if they don't have any supremacy, they'll leave by themselves. That's what happened in the USSR. So The, yeah, they need to, to be superior, they need to have like these special rules just for them, they need to have all this. So once that's gone, they will go and like feed from the whatever next host that they find.↗

1:15:00Ian MalcolmJoanne, it's, it's the vampire, right? The, the, the vampire can't exist when everybody's like, "Wait a second, guys, it's Dracula." The, the guy that's, that's up in the castle, he's actually coming out in the middle of the night and sucking everybody's blood and taking everybody's↗

1:15:18Ian MalcolmAll we need is all the people to peacefully walk up, and instead of pitchforks and torches, we just need to put our hand up and say, "No more. We see what you're doing. We know the truth. The game is over." Right? And to Joanne's point, when, when, when subversion and deception is unmasked, it can't continue to operate. And these people, and you see this right now, Ben Shapiro has no idea what to do. He's got a hundred million dollar media empire, and he is bleeding subversion Subscriptions and subscribers and even, let's say the, the slightest bit of interest, because everybody gets what's finally happening. So his voice doesn't matter at all. And the same is true for Randy Fine and for all of the other Zionists. Even Donald Trump. What is his support now? Thirty percent? And the reason is because a lot of people that aren't really all that adept with political lingo and jargon, they're looking and they're like, "Something's really wrong. This guy's owned by Israel. We're done." With this, right? And so the, the-- And, and that is why, for what it's worth, the left-right paradigm, the thing that Dr. Ectanwald is doing that is absolutely paramount, is saying, "I'm not gonna buy into the left-right nonsense. Instead, I'm going to support candidates that are openly advocating anti-Zionist policies, right? The, the reduction of Jewish supremacy. That is the primary problem. Anything else, arguing Democrat and Republican, it's a waste of time, right?" And so they've been using that to keep- Keep us fixated on the wrestling match rather than noting that we just don't wanna participate in the show anymore, right? We don't wanna be in this fake world of the WWF. It doesn't matter which wrestler's fighting which wrestler. No, no, no, no, no. We realized you're all owned by Israel. We're all done with this, and we are now sending in our people to fix the problem. And if, if we can do that, that is a massive start to fixing this problem.↗

1:17:10Speaker 3Right? As Michael's also pointed↗

1:17:12Ian Malcolmout, I, I, I agree↗

1:17:15Speaker 3about domestic Michael, thank you, Joanna. Michael has pointed out, a, an issue that I think is a great term, called domestic Zionism, and those are some of the policies by people, that are pro-Israel throughout the cabinet, especially like during the CDC during COVID. I mean, I don't want to-- if you go through all those names, you'll see they have a common factor, but anyway, the domestic Zionism keeps, the domestic Zionism keeps us at each other's throats as well, because in all Also, when you trace the openings of the border, the flooding of migrants, it's all traced by Zionism, because and also we destabilize those regions at the behest of Israel, and then there's a mi-unlimited migration as well. So I'm just saying that's an important point, the domestic Zionism and the left-right thing keeps going, and basically you can find intersections on both sides that want to stop some of these, problems that are a matter of domestic Zionism. Thanks for letting me comment on that.↗

1:18:17Speaker 8I, I agree with all of that. I support candidates that don't take any money from any foreign lobbyists. My problem with, with all of this is, is the Miriam Adelsons, the Larry Ellassons, the Mark Zuckerobergs, the people that have billions and upon billions and billions of dollars. Everyone keep, I keep hearing the, the statement of Well, they can't just keep spending thirty million dollars, to fund a candidate. Actually, they can. When you add up those three people right there, one billion dollars fun-funds at a thirty million dollar campaign, thirty-three candidates. So,↗

1:18:57Speaker 8they can do this indefinitely as they grow their wealth. Their grow- their wealth is growing exponentially, so they can fund the, these candidates to where we don't have a say so, and they can run, run these, disinformation, misinformation campaigns and buy, buy people off.↗

1:19:15Speaker 7No, they can't.↗

1:19:16Speaker 8That's my problem with the situation.↗

1:19:19Speaker 7No, they can't. I don't think you understand how a great awakening works. Or how consciousness works for that matter. The Matrix doesn't work if we all know it's a Matrix. When everybody or a critical mass of people become red pilled, how do you expect that to work? If you are an infinitesimally small group of people, irrespective of the fact that you have shekels in your hand, it has to be a belief system, right? That's the magic part. That's the magical thinking part. It has to be a belief system. And if people no longer believe, if people say, "Oh, those are the bad guys, those are the people who did a nine eleven, those are the people who took out Charlie Kirk," their whole thing is that they're going to do what they've done forever, which is undermine civilizations, go in there, be subversive, coalesce the malcontents, and get more for them and less for everyone else. If we have the Great Awakening, when it's over Or when it's sufficiently advanced, the money won't matter, do you understand? It's not, you know, it still has to be, you still have to be complicit, we still have to be asleep. You can't do that stuff. I mean, how would that work? Do you understand? How do you get hundreds of millions, billions of people in the world? To acquiesce to this when they're all like, "Well, gosh, you're sinister, you're evil, you're-- what you're doing is horrible." It just, this is the way consciousness works, do you understand? You can't do that to people without getting them to say, "Thank you." The devil's ruse is that he doesn't exist, and the ruse for them is they're not doing all these things. But what happens when that ruse is over? They lose, they fail, they can't do it, and they know this. And if you don't believe it, look at the way they're acting right now. They're giving people death threats, they're threatening everybody, they're getting really mean and really nasty. This is late stage tyranny, this is the collapse of it. They're doing their level best, my friend, and apostasy is on the rise. That's what kills them, it's just not believing in them, not believing in their victim narrative, not believing they have a right to rule us, and understanding that they're actually doing These people, oddly, are controlling all the big megaphones. These people are oddly threatening us. These people are odd-oddly telling us, believe it or not, what it means to be an American. All of that is done, all of that is going away, and you don't need some sort of grand diabolical plan to deal with them afterwards, because they won't be able to rule you once this is complete.↗

1:21:55@joann_marieAlright, go for it. Thank↗

1:21:56Speaker 8you for allowing me to get everyone riled up. and I encourage people to go out and confront these people, so everyone can see what's going on. But why don't we don't need to go, like, no! No, like, I, I,↗

1:22:09@joann_marieI don't↗

1:22:10Speaker 8think, no, I don't think people are, are ready and willing to, to get out and get in front of these people's faces.↗

1:22:19@joann_marieWhat's up? Yes, don't come from, don't, don't like, don't do it. But I don't even know,↗

1:22:26Speaker 7I don't, I don't even know why. Am I gonna go confront a snake and go, "Hey, snake, stop doing sneaky things." No. Am I going to go confront, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, am I gonna go confront term- confront termites and say, "Hey, stop being termites." No, it's us. Do you understand? Shin Fain, we ourselves. This is about us.↗

1:22:51Speaker 7And they come on and do all of their kabuki theater.↗

1:22:53Speaker 8I'm not, I'm not peddling goy slop. What I'm talking about is actually getting a video in front of these people's faces and asking them questions and then posting it. Because unless people are-- I'm not peddling goy slop. I'm not peddling goy slop. If we're gonna sit in a space, I know, they don't. They-- Are you kidding me? I'm, I'm, I'm literally watching-- I'm↗

1:23:12Ian Malcolmin, I'm in good. I'm literally watching I'm in good faith, I'm going to try and engage on your s-suggestion here. so to get in their face with a video, can you please walk through advocating only that which is peaceful and lawful? Can you please tell everyone what exactly that video you would either show to them or you would take of them you would aim to accomplish in doing that? I'm, I'm kind of curious.↗

1:23:41Speaker 8I, I'm talking about doing your research on every single one of these candidates. I'm watching fishback in Florida, which is literally a subversionist snake who is saying all the right things to get into power And I'm telling you right now, I'm a good read of people, that guy is a snake from the word go. Alright? He is a subversionist. So that means doing your research on him and pulling up videos of him where he's saying the opposite two years ago or three years ago or whatever, and who he's associated with, and get in front of their faces and say, "Hey, you remember that time that you were with so-and-so and you said this, and now you're saying this?" Yes. Why should we believe you at this point? Because this has happened before with Donald Trump, says one thing and then does another. But if we go back and we look at the history of Donald Trump, of who his mentor was, we could-- and I w- I'll be the first one to admit it, I was duped by that mf'er from the word go. Alright. But now I'm awake to the situation. So what are we going to do about it rather than talk about it online? Are we gonna get in front of these people's faces? I'm not talking about punching them or advocating for any violence. I'm talking about getting them on the record, having them answer questions in a Q&A where they have to answer it.↗

1:25:12Speaker 8And then, and then,↗

1:25:13@joann_mariehow do you,↗

1:25:14@pleebmemerhow do you suggest we go about↗

1:25:15@joann_mariethat? Hold on, Jack, I agree with that. Like, asking questions to politicians, that's, that's, yeah, go for it, yeah. You're, you're, you're not going,↗

1:25:24Speaker 8you're not going to get the Maria Bartiromos, and you're not going to, to, to get the, the, Sean Hannity's and all the, the people on Fox News or CNN or CBS to ask any of these questions. Why? Because they are controlled by the Jews We the people need to stand up. We the people need to get them on record. We need to ask them the hard questions, and when they give the po-politician's answer of weaseling out of this shit, you, you say, "No, no, no, no, no, you didn't answer the question." And just, I'm sure everyone has seen the video of, of, Nancy Mace where she, she's like jetting off and, and, and then she goes, "Oh, I, I fully support, APAC and, and I, I love Israel," and then, and then she like goes off. No, no, no. Okay, this is-- I'm talking about getting into the town halls. You underestimate, you↗

1:26:19Speaker 7underestimate the power of us. You think, you say, "Just talking on the internet." Imagine you're going to a magician's show, a very clever magician, and one person, you, is standing outside, and you↗

1:26:36Speaker 7You know how it works, and you're telling them, and then they're all gonna go in and they're gonna know, right? The reason why is because when you tell someone how the lie works, how the trick works, then they know, and they can't unknow. And this is a conflagration. It was a small fire, but this is a conflagration. People really aren't getting their news. The mainstream media is losing, losing, losing. See, it's attrition every day for them. This is why they're terrified. So this idea of, oh, you know, what are we gonna do? We're doing it. The great awakening is happening. Learn how to be obvious, learn how to be direct, do it everywhere, all the time. I did it in my personal life yesterday with some people, and go from there. But don't, don't think that you have, you know, don't think that a politician is going to make the change for you. Don't think talking to them.↗

1:27:27@pleebmemerNo, he's not gonna make I hate this interaction.↗

1:27:32Speaker 7Yeah.↗

1:27:34@pleebmemerAre you kidding me? I am a hundred percent serious. This is like, I'm like, what kind of fantasy world is this? Go,↗

1:27:39Speaker 8go to, go to the town halls, catch these people out, outside as they're walking in, as, as they're in the town hall, as they're coming out of the town hall, you ask them questions and you make sure that you get it on the record. Whether it be a microphone, a cell phone, a POV camera, whatever. I mean, I've↗

1:27:57@pleebmemertried this a couple times. And then you post it. Of course, that's what they're security. I, I mean, I don't know if you've ever been on the field, in the field, like, yeah. I, I have. Have you ever had that? And, and I've↗

1:28:04Speaker 8also been to town halls, and, and I've also been to, to fundraisers, where, people are, are running for, attorney generals of,↗

1:28:17Speaker 8of a↗

1:28:20Ian MalcolmAlright, can we move on from this? Yeah, I, I think that's a wonderful idea.↗

1:28:26Speaker 8That, that, that's all I'm trying to say is, we need to, yes, it's great that we talk online, but I'm telling you right now, we are of maybe the five percent of the population that is truly, truly informed. Everyone else is walking around worrying about, they got five kids at home, they're worrying about how they're gonna feed their kid, they're not sitting online listening to a three-hour space. Very few people are doing. Why isn't everybody↗

1:28:50Speaker 7under 40 walking away from Israel?↗

1:28:55Speaker 8Not everyone is, but there are a lot. We need more. We still, we, we still have 50-year-olds, we still have 60-year-olds, we still have 70-year-olds. No, how many boomers are there? Are they making more boomers? My, my point is, let's accelerate this process. I think in the past two years,↗

1:29:13@joann_marielike I would never expect to be, like, in this moment, like, I genuinely never thought that this moment would come. And↗

1:29:20Speaker 8all I'm asking for is the people to advocate out Outside of these spaces. And that's,↗

1:29:24Ian Malcolmthat's a, that's a fine idea, and Dr. Rechtenwald is, literally supporting the candidates that are out there trying to make these changes, and,↗

1:29:33Speaker 8right, Mike, that's↗

1:29:33Ian Malcolmgreat. So let's help,↗

1:29:34Speaker 1let's help these candidates. I wanted to say something because you mentioned Fishback.↗

1:29:38Speaker 3Oh, yeah, that guy.↗

1:29:41Speaker 1and I just wanted to say that, We asked, him if he wanted, our support and our endorsement and everything. He, he said no. So whatever that sounds good.↗

1:29:52Speaker 3There is something amiss with him. I mean, that- Right,↗

1:29:54Speaker 8that, that's what I'm saying. He's saying all the right things in public, but he doesn't want, want your support. What does that tell you?↗

1:30:01Speaker 3Right. The fact he had, right, that was a red flag for me. I do like a lot of what he says, but as I saw, as I saw with Trump, and, and Temporarily, it didn't really get too much steam, but it was the topic of a list of all the disappointments of things Trump promised that we didn't get. I mean, there's a long list with Maha and everything else. But what fit-- so Trump too said stupid wars, peep, stupid people, stupid wars, and I thought he was the-- he, he had a believe it or he was the best actor I've ever seen, better than De Niro or whatever. But anyway, apparently he wasn't an actor or he changed his mind. But this fishback says↗

1:30:43Speaker 3He turned down, which is, which is, should be noted, Andy Ziao and Pac right away was kind of interesting, and he just married somebody that he met. I mean, that's his personal life, but he married somebody, he himself put this post up, not, it's not like malicious or something, he met somebody like on Wednesday, dated them on Thursday, proposed on Friday, and married them, something like that, in the space of a couple of weeks. So this is kind of bizarre. Yeah, and then, and then at the end,↗

1:31:11Speaker 8and then at the end he said,↗

1:31:13Speaker 3Right.↗

1:31:13Speaker 8Like, okay, like that's supposed to make me, like, want to, to vote for you because you've now, you, you've now, completed the, the, the nuclear family and, and, now you're married and, and you're gonna have kids. But if you, if you reject every↗

1:31:28Speaker 3anti-Zionist America PAC right away, that just shows he wasn't gonna be like fulfill his, you know, like a passionate,↗

1:31:36Speaker 8the↗

1:31:37Speaker 3passionate state- Right. I'm on your guys'↗

1:31:38Speaker 8side. I, I'm maybe I but I'm on your side. I know, I see what you guys are doing, but I, I want people to start waking up even more so to get involved. Also,↗

1:31:51@pleebmemeralso, there's like the, you know, I mean, like, wasting your breath on already established, paid-off individuals and like reestablishing,↗

1:32:00@pleebmemera new candidate. I mean, I've been to these meetings too, and it's like, at least, you know, where I'm at, it's, you're just disregarded essentially. There is no- Accountability to be held. And if you ask a good question, you'll get escorted out. At least in my experience.↗

1:32:18Speaker 3Michael said he has to↗

1:32:19Speaker 8leave↗

1:32:19Speaker 3the space and come back in because he couldn't hear anything. Then,↗

1:32:22Speaker 8then you know what? Then get that, then get that on video that you're getting escorted out for asking a good question. No, yeah. Everything helps. That's the other thing. Michael has to come↗

1:32:33Speaker 3back into the space. I just wanna just note that real quick 'cause he couldn't hear anything, so when he comes back up, you can do your thing with him↗

1:32:41Speaker 8Anyway, I'll, I'll end it there. I know I've taken a lot from this space. I just want people to be more passionate. That's all. Get out there and do something.↗

1:32:51Speaker 9All right, thank you so much, best.↗

1:32:56@joann_marieI'm glitching with the hands. And, oh, my God, he's back. Okay.↗

1:33:02Speaker 8You, you have Mike, Izzy, and then you have Andy, and then you have also Jack. Oh, okay. Also, thank you. I'll go↗

1:33:10@joann_marieto someone who hasn't spoken yet, and then I'll go back to Andy. in search of history, welcome, go for it.↗

1:33:18Speaker 10Thank you very much. very fascinated with the conversation and appreciate the way you guys are attempting to discipline your site by, and having people talk over another person. best if they raise their hands if they wanna talk again. But anyway, I am a historian, an attorney, and an author. I have written a book called,↗

1:33:46Speaker 10From the Ghettoes to the Thrones of Europe in four volumes, volume Poland And that Amazon, volume one is, is published on Amazon, I'm editing volumes three, four, and five now and I'll be, will release them hopefully in the next year. and I've studied this subject of Zionism intensely, and I think I have some concepts that will,↗

1:34:14Speaker 10add light to the conversation. I appreciate what many of the speakers said, But with your indulgence, I'd like to say that, there are about four aspects to this whole issue of Zionism,↗

1:34:33Speaker 10and world domination. number one, and I'll try to go as rapidly as I, I can here, there's Old Testament Zionism After the Jud, Judeans, notice I'm not gonna use the word Jew, because Jew was not written in the Bible, and they weren't known as Jews until about 1755. They were called Judeans from the tribe of Judah, and, the tribe of Benjamin,↗

1:35:05Speaker 10was in alliance with Judah, so they were rubbed in with the Judeans, and ten other tribes or Hebrews, they were all Hebrews, but only one Was Judean. Judea, the Judeans were Hebrews, but, the other ten Hebrews were not Judeans, so they're not Jews. well, when the, when the Jews were taken into captivity, of course, they were returned by Cyrus to Palestine, but while in captivity, Ezekiel, who was a priest and, in captivity and a saint,↗

1:35:41Speaker 10made a prophecy in Ezekiel thirty-seven, in verses twenty-four to twenty-eight, I think it was. He said that when the God will take you back from Babylon, in, in, from exile in Babylon, not because of your merit, but because, in shorthand, he's got a birth to Messiah, the Messiah will come through the Judeans, tribe of Judah.↗

1:36:05Speaker 10but and if you accept Him as your King, the Son of David, then your temple and city will last forever.↗

1:36:19Speaker 10There was that condition. Well, Daniel was also, an exile. He was a no-- of noble, lineage in Judea. and he gave a parallel prophecy, one that, conditioned Ezekiel in Daniel chapter nine, verses twenty-four to twenty-seven, Daniel said that God will return you to Palestine, but He will put you in four hundred and ninety years of probation, seventy weeks of years. And during that time, you ought to accept Messiah, anoint Him, put away sins and so forth, and you ex-- you have, have to accept Christ, the Messiah, as your King.↗

1:37:07Speaker 10And if you don't, Daniel verses twenty-five, twenty-six says, and Romans will twenty-six and twenty-seven says that Romans will come and destroy your city and people and banish you. Well, when Christ did come The Jews rejected him on a, a theory, a, a, a doctrine that had arisen in Judaism that led to the death of the Messiah. and that doctrine was,↗

1:37:35Speaker 10the Son of God. You know, Genesis three fifteen said, "God, God will, send the seed of the woman to redeem mankind, which would be the Messiah, God in human flesh incarnated." Well, after, there were exile in Babylon, they picked up some pagan philosophy and, understanding that matter was evil. Evil wasn't violating God's will, matter itself was evil, and so man can liberate himself from evil in certain ways. But because matter was evil, then the Messiah couldn't come in the flesh. And so when Christ came, the incarnate God and man, a God? Fully God, fully man, but living in his manhood and only reaching out to his Father for strength to live a victorious life. Christ said, "Of myself I can do nothing, what the Father does and enables me that I do." But anyway, when Christ came, they said, "No, you can't be the Messiah, you're a, you're a pretender, because you say you're the Son of God, He, God can't inhabit evil flesh." So they crucified Him.↗

1:38:44Speaker 10Christ had predicted in the last week of his, ministry that the Jews would indeed reject him and murder him, and so he said, "The, the kingdom will be taken from you, you will no longer be my chosen people to take the gospel to all the world, but I will give the, the, that task to another people, which would be his followers, Christians, so they became It shows people unconditional as well, to take the gospel to all the world. But what is intriguing, Ian, is that in Luke twenty-one, twenty-four, Christ said, "Okay, you guys gonna crucify me, but I'm telling you the Romans will come, destroy you by the sword, destroy, demolish your city, burn your, your sanctuary, and banish you↗

1:39:31Speaker 10throughout the world." Now, if you look at phase twenty-four, wait,↗

1:39:36@joann_marieokay, hold on, sir, this is so interesting, but we do have a couple of hands and Dr. Michael also needs to finish his presentation, so, would you mind raising your hand and then, finishing the rest of the story in a little bit?↗

1:39:49Speaker 10Sure, I can do that.↗

1:39:50@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much for, for being here. Yes, thank you. All right, Jack, go for it.↗

1:40:01@pleebmemerOh yeah, so I was, noticing a lot of Xianes spaces this weekend. They all just kinda popped up. I've just been in and out of probably a dozen different rooms.↗

1:40:13Speaker 10Because I don't want to speak.↗

1:40:15@pleebmemerYeah, is it, is it some kind of like, Xianes holiday or something? Today?↗

1:40:24Ian MalcolmWell, if it is a holiday, I wish, I wish↗

1:40:27Speaker 1we could have a holiday from this, but I'm afraid not.↗

1:40:30Ian MalcolmI was gonna say, if, if so, Yitz is breaking the, the affair, and he has shown up. So he, we can play intellectual whack-a-mole with, with Yitz here, but, but let's go back to Jack Lantern first.↗

1:40:43@pleebmemerYeah, so anyway, I Googled it, Shyovon. There is something going on, there's something in here. I don't know if- These people↗

1:40:50@joann_mariedon't dress that, it's a trick.↗

1:40:52@pleebmemerI don't know if we're being prompted to do this or what's happening. Or there's a thing. But yeah, this is, apparently the, commemoration of the giving of the Torah at the mount, apparently. This weekend.↗

1:41:08@pleebmemerHaha. Maybe that's the hubbub. Wow. I↗

1:41:12Speaker 1wanted to go back to, something that, the- What was his name, In Search of History, said, "You know, he mentioned, I think he, he effectively mentioned the parable of the tenants, which is in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. it's like supercessionism illustrated. I mean, you have this landowner who leases his vineyard to these tenants.↗

1:41:39Speaker 1When the landowner sends his messengers to collect his share of the harvest, the tenants beat and murder the messengers." So the landowner eventually sends his son to collect what is due from the tenants. Surely the tenants will honor the son and heed his commands, but they murder the landowner's son as well in hopes of seizing his inheritance. Jesus then asks his listeners, "What will the landowner do to the tenants?" The religious leaders condemn themselves when they answer that the landowner will bring them to a wretched end. What about the vineyard? It would be given to others.↗

1:42:22Speaker 1Of course, the landowner is God, the tenants are the Israelites, the messengers are the prophets, and the Son is Jesus Christ, and the new tenants are the believers in Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.↗

1:42:35@joann_marieThank you so much, Michael. Alright, guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and Dr. Michael and Lori and, and everyone in the panel, David. okay, Mike, I think, I think... Okay, I think I know who you are. Go for it, Mike.↗

1:42:57Speaker 11Hey, how are you? How are you all doing? I was just listening 'cause I don't know if maybe it's you and I are the only Jews in this space, which kind of makes sense. I'm just curious. What is it that you'd like to see happen to Jews in the United States? I mean, we're not gonna leave. We have a constitution. Why, why would you not wanna go away? Happy Shabbat. Excuse me?↗

1:43:20Ian MalcolmSorry, sorry, Ian, what'd you say? Why, why would you not wanna just go away if people don't want to have you here? Go away where? Why, why don't you go to Israel? You have an entire nation, right? I do. So why wouldn't you wanna go there?↗

1:43:32Speaker 11I, I have parents that live here↗

1:43:39Ian MalcolmOkay, so when they pass away through natural causes in a loving fashion, will you then wanna go to Israel?↗

1:43:46Speaker 11I spend half my life in Israel.↗

1:43:49Ian MalcolmOkay, so why don't you just move there full time?↗

1:43:52Speaker 11Because I have things, I have businesses here in the United States. Yes, I know, we've talked↗

1:43:55Ian Malcolmabout that. So in this abstract state where your family is no longer a cause, why, why↗

1:44:00Speaker 11would you- But I, I also love the United States.↗

1:44:03Speaker 8How do you- Actually, you don't love the United States. How do you know?↗

1:44:10Speaker 8Because I see the degeneracy that you guys push. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.↗

1:44:15Ian MalcolmLet's, let's try this, we'll try to be very peaceful. So, Mike, here's the problem. I have no interest in being in Israel. I have no interest in being anywhere else. I have interest in being in my country, my homeland. Where do you live? It seems like you have, well, you can look in the bio of X. I'm not gonna dox myself, despite many Jews↗

1:44:35Speaker 11doing that.↗

1:44:39Ian MalcolmI, I, why would I possibly give that to a Zionist? I↗

1:44:43Speaker 11live in New York and Florida, and you're, you're welcome to, and apparently Israel. And you're welcome to↗

1:44:47Speaker 8live the stereotype with New York and Florida.↗

1:44:50Ian MalcolmSo, what, what's the problem? Well, the, the, okay, a few things. The first problem is that you come in and this is somewhat antagonistic and it's rather comical that you, are going to ask me to dox myself when I've received multiple death threats as recently as↗

1:45:05Speaker 11last week.↗

1:45:05Ian MalcolmWell, I,↗

1:45:07Speaker 11I don't, It's, look, I, but you, but you admit, you acknowledge that I've, I've gotten through this life. Let me just say something to you. Let me just give you an olive branch. You're an interesting individual. I do go into the spaces, the, the doctor tonight taught me some things, I'm gonna give you credit for that. But when you come back and say to me, "Why don't I just leave the United States? " You don't think that's, an insulting arrogant thing to say?↗

1:45:30Ian MalcolmNo, I'm suggesting that it's not reasonable.↗

1:45:37Ian MalcolmI'm not sitting here with half of my loyalties being to the Vatican, right? I'm not going to say that that is also my homeland and prioritize the, the prosperity of the Vatican over the United States of America. Jews seem to do precisely that, and you just suggested that you spend half of your time in Israel. So how is it reasonable that the rest of the world has to put up with a group of people that have dual loyalties, not entirely to the nation that they are within, but rather- The aspiration of global domination by the other nation that they are loyal to, that's inferiority. And the,↗

1:46:13Speaker 11the problem you have is that's your opinion of the world, that's the way you see things. It's what I'm witnessing,↗

1:46:18Ian Malcolmand everyone is witnessing. No, I↗

1:46:19Speaker 11know, but it's, it's your perception of reality, it's not mine. Now, how is the United States↗

1:46:24Ian Malcolmnot going into a detrimental state of affairs for Israel?↗

1:46:30Speaker 11The United States is doing exceptionally well right now. Have you looked at the debt? Yeah, I have looked at the death. Have you looked at homelessness, Ian? I, I managed to-- Have you looked at poverty? Let, let's, let's have you looked at↗

1:46:41Ian MalcolmSSRIs. Have you looked at suicide? Every, every year. Have you looked at alcoholism?↗

1:46:48Speaker 11Ian, Ian, yes, there are many problems throughout, throughout the human race. No, not throughout the human race, throughout the United States. Throughout the human race.↗

1:46:57Ian MalcolmNow, why are you mocking and why are you just indifferent to the sacrifices of the American people that are watching their nation fall apart to support a psychopathic genocidal regime called Israel? That's, that's your opinion. It's, no, it's not my opinion. There was a study done by an Israeli Jew out of UPenn, if I'm not mistaken, of over a thousand Jews in Israel, who 65% of which supported the literal genocide of everyone and everything, including the animals that are in Gaza. That is a genocidal nation. What else would you define that as? Okay, well, like I said, that, that's your-- you have a very distorted view. No, it's not a spin-in math. No, okay, this is gaslighting. Can you imagine if I went around in the United States of America and polled everybody, and sixty-five percent of the people polled said, "I want to get rid of everything in Israel"? How would you respond to that? How would Ben Shapiro respond to that? How would Donald Trump and Randi Fine respond to that? What do you think would be↗

1:47:57Speaker 11their reaction? I, the, the, my daily life, I don't see any of the hatred against Jews you're talking about. I have investors, seventy percent or ninety↗

1:48:05Ian Malcolmpercent-↗

1:48:06Speaker 11What? What did I talk about?↗

1:48:08Ian MalcolmI was giving you an abstract hypothetical. I thought Jews were supposed to be high IQ. How could you not follow that?↗

1:48:21Speaker 11You, Ian, you keep muting me so there's no continuity to our discussion.↗

1:48:25Ian MalcolmNo, there, there is no continuity↗

1:48:27Speaker 11because you couldn't follow along that I gave you an abstract hypothetical. How can I, how could I follow, how could I prove I'm following along if you keep muting me? Well, you're not muted for what it's worth, but↗

1:48:35Ian Malcolmregardless of being muted, you can follow along with the conversation if you're a reasonable intellect. I↗

1:48:40Speaker 11can't prove that I understand if you keep interrupting me.↗

1:48:42Ian MalcolmNo, this is gaslighting, is what it is. I asked Abstract thought. Now that does requ-- requires a lukewarm or room temperature IQ, perhaps you don't have one. I gave you a hypothetical on what if Americans suggested that two thirds, when polled, encouraged or celebrated the death of all the people in Israel? You would define that as genocidal,↗

1:49:07Speaker 11would you↗

1:49:07Ian Malcolmnot? No,↗

1:49:08Speaker 11I, I would, I would say to you that you-- do you understand statistics? Is it a statistically- This↗

1:49:14Ian Malcolmis, do you understand the term gaslighting? I gave you an abstract- You couldn't follow along with it. I'm giving you an answer. What number, how is it that you are able to speak through the mute? I gave you an abstract, you couldn't follow along with it. I then reiterated the abstract to you, and rather than just addressing the question and saying, "Yes, if two thirds of people supported genocide, it would be reasonable to label them genocidal," instead, you wanted to derail and you wanted to go down another tangent. This is deflection. It is the pill pill. It is the obnoxious gaslighting that we see over and over↗

1:49:48Speaker 7I, I, I just wanna step in here, do you understand the concept of-- Hold on, keep↗

1:49:51Speaker 11muting me, hold on.↗

1:49:52Speaker 7Do you understand the concept of hypotheticals? I just wanna know that, 'cause that--↗

1:49:56Speaker 11Yeah, I, I know what, I know what a hypothetical is. Okay, good. Why are you not following me? I don't think either↗

1:50:00Speaker 7of them. So we asked you a hypothetical. So, Ian, would you repeat Please for the pleasure of everyone else in the room, the, the hypothetical one more time, because it's sort of an IQ test. If you can't follow a hypothetical,↗

1:50:13Speaker 11an IQ test, aren't, aren't you the guy that said the Jews did nine eleven, and you think you have a high IQ? Oh, hold on, shh, calm down, calm down. I don't think you have a high IQ.↗

1:50:20Speaker 7Hold on, hold on, hold on. So, I don't think you have a high IQ by↗

1:50:24Speaker 11distorting↗

1:50:25Speaker 7reality every day. But one, but one↗

1:50:32Speaker 11basic IQ, IQ↗

1:50:34Speaker 7well, I, I do understand hypothetical. You don't. Well, okay, well then, Ian, give me a hypothetical. Let's see if I understand what you-- When you take,↗

1:50:42Ian Malcolmhold on, no, I'm, I'm going to mute you. and Mike, you're very close to this point. Actually, here's a hypothetical. Hey, David, if Mike is the most obnoxious Jew on this platform and continues to derail the conversation while being incapable of dealing with abstract discourse, would it be reasonable for me to kick his Zionist Jew ass out of my space? That's↗

1:51:04Speaker 7what it would be reasonable. And I was trying to be patient, by the way.↗

1:51:10Speaker 11Well, gentlemen, if you kicked me out, I have won the battle because↗

1:51:12Speaker 7you're↗

1:51:20Ian Malcolmafraid. Oh, no, no, no. No, no Conclusion, that the grand IQ game of the Ashkenazi Jews is a big ruse, it's a larp. And I think that there's also an element that there's a, a, a lack of self-awareness and a, also a simultaneous sense of self-worth, this grandiosity, that you are somehow superior to other people while you make an absolute fool of yourself. It's like an, a completely unathletic individual who has zero coordination running around saying, "I'm the greatest athlete," as they stumble over their- own feet, and we have to witness it and watch it, and then you get up and you parade around. No, I'm, you get, you get up and you parade around, you're like, "Whoa, look at me, guys, I'm gonna do a 360 windmill to, oh, I fell down again, but I'm the best ever." And then we're all like, "We are so tired of this, this is really obnoxious." And then you walk out of the, the gym, and you go down the street, and you're like, " Everybody's like, "I just want you to go away. Please, just leave us alone. Because me and my other friends, I don't care if we're athletic or not athletic, at least we're honest about our abilities. But there seems to be a complete lack of that within this community. For what it's worth, I don't really see that amongst kids, which is why I really appreciate that he's in here. But Mike Massad, you are one of the worst." And it's so wild to witness 'cause it's a complete lack of self-awareness.↗

1:53:00Speaker 11Let me ask you a question. Just close my eyes. Let me ask, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. I don't like you. Let me ask you a question. I don't like you. Yeah, I, I understand. Like, again, I have, I don't expect you would. I↗

1:53:12Speaker 7have a hypothetical for him. Okay, if you had four apples and you took away two, how many would you have left?↗

1:53:18Speaker 11I don't know, I'm not entirely-- Oh, yeah,↗

1:53:19Speaker 7clearly. Okay, let's move on. But I do admire your triumph over reason, by the way. So you-- Well, I had a question. You didn't win anything. You don't↗

1:53:26Speaker 11want to take it? No,↗

1:53:27Speaker 7because, sorry, but you don't get to go over rational hypotheticals. You don't get to commandeer it. You're not gonna splurge on doing the Jew thing. No, it's not gonna happen. You have to be able↗

1:53:42Speaker 7to follow a line of thinking, my friend. Look, I No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Asking a question that's the version. What? Because you don't want to be so afraid of your hypothetical. Stop. Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen. If you can't answer the hypothetical, then you've failed. What hypothetical? Go. All right, Ian asked a hypothetical. No, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.↗

1:54:04Speaker 11You can't do a hypothetical if↗

1:54:05Speaker 7you↗

1:54:06Speaker 11don't↗

1:54:06Speaker 7understand statistics. If↗

1:54:09Speaker 11you can't, well, I know that whatever percentage↗

1:54:11Speaker 7you are in the room, that percentage is dumb, okay?↗

1:54:13Speaker 11Because you can How↗

1:54:18Speaker 7many people?↗

1:54:19Speaker 11Hungry? You're afraid of the one or two↗

1:54:22@joann_mariepeople? At least it's funny.↗

1:54:25Speaker 11You're afraid of the one or two people? No, no one isn't afraid↗

1:54:28@joann_marieof him, Mike. No, no one isn't afraid of him. Mike, send the offer. I have a↗

1:54:34Ian Malcolmquestion for you, Mike. Send it. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, send the smartest of your Zionist friends, please. Go get all of them. Go, go tackle this challenge and retrieve all of the smartest Jews. Go get all of them. Go get them. Get Shapiro, go get every piece of the media, go find your three greatest warriors. I will be standing here with David Niche and Truth Teller. You tell all of them to send their best. We will walk any of them, and it won't, it won't even require a modicum of effort. We will make it look so easy. Truth Teller↗

1:55:09@pleebmemermight be Yehuda, so heads up on that one. It's↗

1:55:13@joann_marienot.↗

1:55:17@joann_marieThis is, this is a new conspiracy that the controller isn't- Hey, you know↗

1:55:18@pleebmemerwhat? I mean, I mean, like, you know, cut the le- branch off the ledge you're standing on, go right ahead. I'm just- I,↗

1:55:25Speaker 11I really don't understand something. On the one hand, you say we're so supreme, and on the other hand, you say you just can just run us into the ground with all your intentions. No one says you're- No one, no one↗

1:55:34Speaker 7saying you're supreme. You're the one that- Yes, being↗

1:55:40Speaker 11able Where is your Mozart? Where is your Frederick↗

1:55:44Speaker 7Gauss? Where is your Leonard Euler? Where is your Shakespeare? Where is your Dostoevsky? What the hell are you celebrating? Where's our Kafka?↗

1:55:50Speaker 8Where's our Kafka? Where's↗

1:55:52Speaker 7our Oppenheimer? I just gave you Shakespeare, hold on, hold on, I just gave you Shakespeare and Dostoevsky and you gave me Kafka. And I gave you Kafka and you gave me Oppenheimer↗

1:56:01Speaker 11and Kafka. Okay, okay,↗

1:56:04Speaker 7I've got Eric, I got Isaac Newton and Aristotle. What else? What else? He lies about↗

1:56:10Speaker 11the Beethoven↗

1:56:13Speaker 7and Mozart. Okay, okay, okay. Oh my God. It is a biological weapon. Beethoven and Mozart, go. Who do you got? Ponce de León and James Monroe. Is this↗

1:56:23@joann_mariecrazy how much these people like? Okay, now we're, now we're gonna go to art.↗

1:56:26Speaker 7I've got Da Vinci and Michelangelo. Go. Who do you got? Congratulations.↗

1:56:31Speaker 11Wait, I'm giving you, I'm so happy. Listen, I want↗

1:56:33Speaker 7you to represent the master race here. Come on.↗

1:56:37Ian MalcolmDavid, they have nothing. David, hang on. Hang on, David We'll allow Yitz to attempt to play it with you because he threw out James Horner. Yitz, is Hans Zimmer actually Jewish?↗

1:56:51Speaker 12yes he is, but actually rather than, rather than, well, yes, you- Yes, you have to know that, Ian. I wanted to say about- I didn't↗

1:56:59Ian Malcolmknow that, yes, I appreciate your clarification. Oh, good, good.↗

1:57:01Speaker 12You learn something new every day. I would recommend- Yes, I↗

1:57:04Ian Malcolmusually do learn some things from you and have a good laugh along the way.↗

1:57:07Speaker 7Yes, who's the greatest, Jewish philosopher?↗

1:57:10Speaker 12I, I, I would recommend Spinoza, Maimonides, for example. No, I think- And some would even say- Some, some, some, some would even say Jesus, No, I, yeah, yeah, well, okay. So anyway, that other side, I think you're right about. I wanted to make the point about the hypothetical is that the problem with the hypothetical is once you're in the hypothetical realm, there are no governing laws or no boundaries or no rules, and you can do anything. That's not true at all.↗

1:57:39Speaker 7By definition, there are rules to a hypothetical, right? Because you start off with, "If not, not, not, not necessarily." No, necessarily, yes. That's the whole point. Hypothetical is holistic. I mean Definition or holistic, so there are rules endemic, and the obviousity is right there for everyone to see. So hypothetical, if I say, "If you have four apples and you take away two, all of the, the whole equation exists in logical space," you can answer that question, right?↗

1:58:09Speaker 12Hypothetically, you could say unicorns exist, but of course, it's a nonsense. Okay. First of all,↗

1:58:13Speaker 7you're, you're absolutely right.↗

1:58:15Ian MalcolmYou're absolutely right. If I were to ask you that if, if, if tomorrow it rains, are you going to take an umbrella? You don't get to say, "No, I don't need an umbrella under the prediction that tomorrow you wake up with an umbrella attached to your↗

1:58:29Speaker 12head." Well, you don't get to say that hypothetically. It's not happening. It's raining now, funny enough, it's raining now And back up and, and, and, he just gaslights↗

1:58:42Ian Malcolmyou. You're at least entertaining and, and somewhat reasonable.↗

1:58:46Speaker 12The, the idea about the, the genocide, about sixty percent of Israelis liking genocide, that trauma, that, I believe that originated with, Hovhatch, and, there was,↗

1:58:57Ian Malcolmyou could, you could, you↗

1:58:59Speaker 12could, you could smoke pot and you'd, you'd get, similar results, you're not, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could toss him. Wait↗

1:59:09Speaker 13People surveyed, that's statistically significant. You can't do that by, and also it's consensus matched, so you can't just fool it by people smoking pot, I'm sorry. As someone who's done a million dollars a month in statistics for three years straight. So, sorry to bust your bubble.↗

1:59:27Speaker 12Okay, yeah, yeah, I doubt he made a million a month. We get that question, but I don't think he↗

1:59:33Ian Malcolmmade a million a month. He was referring to the budget that he was probably using to do polling or studies with.↗

1:59:40Speaker 13For brands, yes. Yeah.↗

1:59:42Speaker 12Okay.↗

1:59:43Speaker 6We get. So are you saying that Jews are liars?↗

1:59:47Speaker 12of course not. But you just said that, your fellow↗

1:59:50Speaker 6Jews are lying.↗

1:59:52Speaker 12When did I say that? Well, well, well,↗

1:59:56Speaker 12with↗

2:00:00@yosefcohnisraeland I want to cut a line, per se, as, as a, a mis-representation and a misperception of what's really going on. Isn't that, isn't↗

2:00:07Speaker 14that, isn't that dishonesty then?↗

2:00:10@yosefcohnisraelNo, it's a perspective. everybody has a perspective, and, but theirs is pretty crappy, unfortunately, and, that's why I, I, I used to be a subscriber.↗

2:00:18Speaker 15Isn't↗

2:00:22@yosefcohnisraelthat, isn't that, isn't that dishonest Yes, and, we're not alien to anything. Surprise, surprise. But I, but↗

2:00:32Ian MalcolmI thought you guys are like the, the, the al-↗

2:00:39@yosefcohnisraelYeah, yeah, I used to subscribe to English edition of Howitz, and, the comments were always full of neo-nazis for whatever reason, and, the articles got more and more leftist, and, one day it just decided to- What,↗

2:00:52@joann_mariewhat about the neo-nazis, what?↗

2:00:55@yosefcohnisraelNo, it's in the English edition comments online, it's just full of, antisemitic, filth. I wonder why that is. I don't know, maybe it's the leftist mentality, maybe because of your behavior. No, it's maybe because of your behavior.↗

2:01:07Speaker 14Exactly. Yeah, it's because of what you guys are doing, you know? Maybe that's why there's so much antisemitism. What actually↗

2:01:13Speaker 16happened, Horowitz, Horowitz hasn't changed. What's happened It's, is the fact that the Israeli society has become more radical because you have two people in the government that are extremely radical to the point where Israel actually investigated him for Wanting to run suicide bombs on Israelis in order to pretend it was the Palestinians, and they were investigated for that and then let go. Those are the people in your government. And then when they do attacks and they convince people that genocide is okay, your entire society, and you're proving it right here, the fact that you used to be a Haredi subscriber and you think they went more radical, when they actually didn't change, what changed was the leadership of your country that already had maybe thirty percent radical people, and now it's sixty-two percent At minimum, radical change. Well, the Israelis↗

2:02:02@yosefcohnisraelbecame more right wing because, Oslo failed, and anyone with two hemispheres in your brain could have told you it was going to fail. And, there was just, you know, was terrorism, you eventually, you know, people don't change by argument, they change by experience. So if you're mugged in the street, for example, by, it could be a white person, black, doesn't matter, I'm not trying to make any associations, but if you're mugged in the street, then you're going to↗

2:02:29@yosefcohnisraelMaybe a gun, for example, for self-defense. So people change based on experience, and the Oslo model has failed, and, you guys were behaving↗

2:02:37Speaker 14like this prior to Oslo, so what's↗

2:02:40@joann_marieyour,↗

2:02:43@yosefcohnisraelthat's not a point. That's why people change their behavior. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Palestinians behaved prior to Oslo. They behaved that way in the United States. You are literally↗

2:02:49Speaker 14terrorists. You're literally terrorists. They're literally terrorists.↗

2:02:51@yosefcohnisraelSo, so explain to me, prior to the, to the creation of Israel in nineteen forty-eight, why Why were the Jews blowing↗

2:03:00@joann_marieBritish soldiers up? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I have↗

2:03:03Speaker 14a question for him. Why, why, why were the Jews blowing British soldiers up and massacring Arabs? What, what, what's happening there? That happened↗

2:03:11@yosefcohnisraelon World Independence and like the King David Hotel, for example, it was meant for no one to be killed, but the British, laughed at the message and it, it was blown up. And by the way, the Jewish agency at every,↗

2:03:22Speaker 14okay, so what about the Nakba when↗

2:03:29@yosefcohnisraelThe Jewish Agency condemned such actions, but the Arab side, they, they never condemned any of those actions. You, you, you literally made↗

2:03:35@joann_mariethem your prime minister, the terrorists who did those things, you made them your, like, how do you, how, what are you saying that, oh, they condemned them? No, they, you made them the prime minister! I↗

2:03:45@yosefcohnisraelthink he↗

2:03:46Speaker 14doesn't. What about Anwar↗

2:03:48@yosefcohnisraelSadat, for example?↗

2:03:49Speaker 14The, the terrorists, hold on, hold on, the, the Jewish terrorists that carried out those attacks against Arabs and British soldiers ended up being a part of And, a part of your political system. So you didn't condemn shit, you pretty much just allowed them to continue with their behavior, and they're doing it to this day. So.↗

2:04:08@yosefcohnisraelYeah, yeah. Well, as I mentioned in, I believe diligence space earlier today, you know, Israel was so expansionist apparently, but it's only expanded in the recent conflict by about three point five percent. And, you know, when there was peace signed with Egypt in 1999 When, when there was peace signed with Egypt in nineteen seventy-nine, there was no more fighting with us and Egypt, and in Jordan in nineteen ninety-four, you know, yeah, and how much, how↗

2:04:32@joann_mariemuch, how many millions does America give to Egypt so that they aren't like angry at you? Yeah, like exactly. I mean,↗

2:04:37@yosefcohnisraeltechnically, they, they want the Sinai back and we don't want to give them part of it. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Technically, technically,↗

2:04:43Speaker 14Egypt and Jordan, technically Egypt and Jordan are like puppet states of the US at this point. They↗

2:04:53@joann_marieI'm the second, second recipient of, of, billions of America.↗

2:04:59Speaker 17I have a second question. After Israel, it's a hundred and seventy-five, hundred and↗

2:05:03Speaker 18seventy-five billion. What's up with the Greater Israel project? It's Yitzhak. Yeah, call yourself Yitzhak. So↗

2:05:10Speaker 16I'm sure you know Yitzhak Shamir, I'm sure, right? Yeah. okay. So he led a little gang, right? Correct? And he wound up, his gang wound up killing a diplomat when he went there and said, "We need to disarm the Zionists." After saving thirty million Jews from the Holocaust, he went there and got assassinated. but while he was in that gang, why didn't he write to the Nazis and the fascists and say he wanted to join them because they share a common goal?↗

2:05:36@yosefcohnisraelI believe you're speaking, you're actually confusing it with Stone, but he only had about two hundred people on his side, and it was a peanut safe, so everything was small.↗

2:05:44Speaker 16He was part of the Stern gang, but he's also the one who then helped, Beggin, who is another terrorist, and he's called the terrorist and bombed Jews and bombed the English people, and dressed up as if he was Arab in order to confuse the two. Why, why, why did those two, those two, hold on, those two started the Likud party, the party that's currently in Been in power seventy-eight percent of the time ever since they were constructed, and that party believes in-- Hold on, that party believes in, in Jacoby type of Zionism, which is no borders, we're expansionists, and they got rid of the labor Zionism and put in the reformist Zionism, which is murderous terrorists who started the party who believe in just taking land 'cause it's theirs, and you need to show a strong Jew and not the weak nerdy, studious Jew, and that's why we have to hire There's sexy models to pose in, in, I forget what that magazine was, to make it seem like, you know, Jewish girls are hot because that's gonna help our image, and we need to pay for Eurovision in order to win the contest to show that we have some kind of talent and that, that we're not the typical Jew that you think we are. And be murderous, treacherous, absolute↗

2:06:57@yosefcohnisraelterrorists. Yeah, yeah, a lot of, a lot One second, please. I↗

2:07:17Speaker 14didn't↗

2:07:18@yosefcohnisraeleven mention that. You said, "Uh, you said, "Uh, what does Al Basini have to↗

2:07:24Speaker 16do with this?↗

2:07:30@yosefcohnisraelYou said↗

2:07:33Speaker 16you↗

2:07:39@yosefcohnisraelsaid↗

2:07:43Speaker 16You↗

2:07:44@yosefcohnisraelstarted the Luku party, the, the, the Stone Gang, but, but my point is, unlike them, the Alp side actually did join the Nazis. Didn't I lie? Okay,↗

2:07:51Speaker 14Yitzhak, what do you have to say about, yeah, okay, so what about, after the establishment of the State of Israel, you had Meir Kahana and the so-called Jewish Defense League going around in the streets of the United States and committing acts of terrorism. They even bombed the Soviet embassy, right? So I mean, do you condemn what Meir The JDL and the Knesset party to take Arabs into gentleness.↗

2:08:16@yosefcohnisraelGoldstein, I condemn a hundred percent. Kahana, I, I love Kahana, I can't hate him. His memory be a blessing, may his memory be a↗

2:08:25Speaker 14blessing. Kahana, the same guy who, started the terrorist organization↗

2:08:36@yosefcohnisraelthat bombed the Soviet embassy in that, that That's not true. There's no- Yeah, yes, it is true, you can read his writings. He↗

2:08:45Speaker 14literally, there's literally recordings of him saying, "There's no such thing as an Arab in the state of↗

2:08:49@yosefcohnisraelIsrael." Yeah, and he changed his mind, later on, he changed his mind. But, I mean, I mean, I support, you know, it, it was, it was unfortunate that he was assassinated. And, Ben-Gurion is the, the ide-ideological successor to his party. And, you know, it, it is the way it is, but, but ghostings, actually, yeah, but you, but you support a↗

2:09:08Speaker 14guy, you support a guy who committed acts of terrorism against US citizens, against Americans in the United States, like literally lynching people and shooting people and blowing stuff up. The JDL was about, the JDL was about self-defense. And, self-defense, you literally bombed the Soviet embassy, like how is that self-defense? You bombed embassies for self-defense? The↗

2:09:27@yosefcohnisraelSoviets were greatly persecuting the Russian Jewish community and not, Yes, it's true, you can. I mean, look, look what they did with Natan Scharfske for nine years in, in a gulag and, and a labor camp. You're going to, question that? Really?↗

2:09:43Speaker 14Yeah, okay. I don't, I don't deny some Jews went to the gulags, I don't deny that. Yeah, let's,↗

2:09:48Ian Malcolmlet's, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a pause. We're gonna go back to, so we will, let's put a pin in that.↗

2:10:03Ian MalcolmZionism. And so Dr. Recktenwald, don't mean to awkwardly shift gears, but it might be a, a good opportunity to get back on track.↗

2:10:11@yosefcohnisraelI, I do have to go, Ian, but I just wanted to mention for, Michael Recktenwald, you mentioned that we could bring, you, you mentioned that we could bring our best people. I recommend, Saba Skaftengård or tell him a new one like you did at the debate.↗

2:10:24Speaker 17Yeah, I find him to be a real, a real slippery↗

2:10:33Speaker 17Speculative, remarks around. He, he, he↗

2:10:35@yosefcohnisraelintellectually assessed me. No, he didn't.↗

2:10:37Speaker 17All he did is talk about- Yes, absolutely.↗

2:10:39@yosefcohnisraelYou, you, you, you, you were standing in the debate, you didn't know what to say, you were nervous, you were still, you were- He completely, he completely defying an absolute deflection.↗

2:10:47Speaker 17I almost felt sorry for you, almost. Listen, Yitz. I told that guy, anybody that was there said I slaughtered you. He slammed you, he dunked you. You weren't there. You weren't there. No, I watched it,↗

2:10:59@yosefcohnisraelI watched it.↗

2:11:00Speaker 19No, no, you didn't↗

2:11:00Speaker 17watch it.↗

2:11:01Speaker 19I was there, Michael slaughtered him.↗

2:11:03Speaker 17Listen, on- Complete opposite. The fact, the fact of the matter is, I came with facts, I came with logic, and I came with precise figures. He came with a- You came↗

2:11:13@yosefcohnisraelwith a bunch of-↗

2:11:14Speaker 17He came with a bunch of unfalsifiable, unfalsifiable, convenient, and utter Anti-Semitic theories, whatever the hell that is, to the discourse at all.↗

2:11:26Ian MalcolmThat's anything that's critical of Jews.↗

2:11:28Speaker 17Yeah. So,↗

2:11:30@yosefcohnisraelI'm sorry, you just got totally body slammed. It was, it was, it was a blessing to watch.↗

2:11:35Speaker 17You're,↗

2:11:36@yosefcohnisraelyou should, you should walk around with a paper bag in front of your face for the rest of your life.↗

2:11:39Speaker 17Nah, I, I, I'm sure you should. Your teeth probably look like that IDF soldier we see so much. I proba-- You're probably the little worm that I actually defended against the bullies and I,↗

2:11:53Speaker 17Repeating what↗

2:11:58Ian Malcolmhis wife tell- He's↗

2:12:00Speaker 17just repeating what his wife tells him. Anyway, anyway, When Prime Minister David Lloyd George and Foreign Secretary Alfred Balfour, both shaped by biblical evangelical ideas, supported the Balfour Declaration, which viewed with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, end quote. This was facilitated by lobbying from both Jewish Zionists and Christian restorationists. So the de- the declaration provided the crucial international legitimacy for the Zionist project The, the Balfour Declaration, Britain's pledge to support a national home for the Jewish people, didn't emerge in a vacuum. It came out of centuries of this British Christian, restorationist sentiment, which I've talked about before. And then post forty-eight, you were just talking about forty-eight when the three terrorist groups, Ergon, Ergon, Haganah, and the Stern Gang, set up Israel. in, what's happening here on the other side of the,↗

2:13:17Speaker 17Of this, a parallel to all that is the religious side where these, evangelical Christian Zionism starts to align with Israeli security needs and Jewish organizations, and the phrase Judah, Judeo-Christian, of course, which came about, you know, after World War II, start, that framing, starts to come into, So prominence, everything is seen in terms of this Judeo-Christian,↗

2:13:49Speaker 17situation at, in, so this, this is the real big, you know, we start to get the Scofield Bible, of course, and then, you get this, these major preachers like Hagee and others, all of them preaching this Judaized or Judaized version of Christianity, a materialistic, absolute- Absolute anathema to Christian values in terms of its, aggression, its, its supremacism, its, expansionism, its, absolute lack of universal human values, which are the hallmark of Christianity. No, it doesn't have those universal human values. Its ethics are Talmudic. It believes other people are inferior to itself. It thinks that other people can-- are in the way of its expansion. It's- It's actual God-given,↗

2:14:45Speaker 17real estate projects. So, you know, as I said, you know, Christian Zionist millennialism, as I said before, is a-- in and it's really, it's really the doing Of Protestants, and it's, it's, it's not Jewish as such in, in origin. This is a Gentile,↗

2:15:14Speaker 17you know, con-construction. So, I, I, you know, this is the case where you have, these, these, Religious figures, you know, it really shows the, first of all, shows the extent to which religion really impacted actual politics and real world, events, because without that, without that evangelical base, and that Puritan base↗

2:15:41Speaker 17of Pro and then finally Christian Zionists, you couldn't have the Balfour Declaration. I mean, so the religious element is huge. And as I said before, the, the Christian Zionism is, is anathema to Christianity, not only because, it, it, it reverses everything in the, in the Sermon on the Mount, for example. Blessed are the peacemakers, not the bomb throwers. You know, blessed are the poor in spirit. You know? The Palestinians, for example, blessed are those who, who hunger and thirst for justice, you know.↗

2:16:24Speaker 17the anti-Zionists, in the world.↗

2:16:28Speaker 20I mean, well, technically, the Zionists do bless the poor in spirit, because they made them that way.↗

2:16:34Speaker 17Yeah, that's true. That's true. And, but not only that, I mean, I think more, more importantly, in, in terms of theology, I think that really, The Christian Zionist millennialism, particularly, is a Judaized materialist interpretation of Chris-uh, Christianity that reverts back to the first century desiderata of the Jews, who wanted us Jesus to establish an earthly, kingdom. And this was what he rejected, literally, rejected very clearly, and yet this is what Christian Zionism reverts back to in the end, is establishing this Jewish kingdom, just like- Like, the Jews wanted at the end of Christ's life, for which Judas turned him over for shekels, because he was a believer in that kind of, that kind of eschatology, which was very earthbound, which is very materialistic, which doesn't transcend, which has no heaven, that's not what it's about. It's an earthly, an earthly empire that was envisioned, which was transcended, superseded, and sublated by Jesus.↗

2:17:47Speaker 17so the New Testament spiritualizes everything in the Old Testament, and, furthermore, the idea of a thousand-year reign with a restored Israel and temple is just like the religious expectations that Jesus revoked and superseded with a far greater promise. That's all I got for that.↗

2:18:13Speaker 21it's really well-↗

2:18:14Speaker 17Could I↗

2:18:14Speaker 22comment on that?↗

2:18:15Ian MalcolmGo for it.↗

2:18:17Speaker 22Okay. thanks, Prof. Michael. you came to a good conclusion there when you said You mentioned impact between Christ's expectations of the Jews and the Jewish expectations of their millennial reign. the point I was trying to make in my first introduction, I-- my comments were gonna be in four parts, and I never finished the first part, but what is at issue here, Ian, is, both the legitimacy of the- Judeans back in Palestine as the state of Israel and be-- and their behavior. Those are two issues that clash. When Christ said that they would be banished from Jerusalem in, in eighty seventy, He didn't say forever, but He ta-- said until the times of the Gentiles had run its course, and that included the Roman, pagan Roman reign and then the papal Roman reign. So,↗

2:19:16Speaker 22in fact, He was saying that the Jews would be restored To, Palestine at the end of the papal reign, which is 1798, and that's exactly what happened, Prof. the, the French Revolution put that, liberated the Jews from the ghettos, Napoleon helped liber, liberate them from the ghettos. My mother's Jewish, and her side spent seventeen hundred years in, in, in the ghettos. That's why I wrote the four volumes that on. from the ghettos of France, of Europe, it's a history of the Jews in the ghettos. But I'm a Christian, and I try to be even-handed. Now,↗

2:19:55Speaker 22when Christ said they would be liberated, that exactly happened. Napoleon put down the paper since 1798, and in 1799 he moved against Ottoman Empire with the intent of liberating Jerusalem, and he made a decree that all the Jews can go back to Jerusalem, and he will rebuild their temple, precisely as predicted by Jesus Christ in Luke twenty-one verse twenty-four. But, so the Jews have a legitimate presence there because Christ said they would be restored, but now the question is their behavior. Their behavior is conscious and subversive because of the things or would you please come↗

2:20:35Speaker 17back to the passage where you're saying Christ promised them the, return to, to Israel?↗

2:20:42Speaker 22Yes, Luke chapter twenty-one verse twenty-four. Can you read it? Well, I can recite, recite it from memory. He said that the Romans will come and will destroy your city and, and, take you into captives, until, and, and your temple will be trampled under, until the times of the gentiles is past, has elapsed, and the times of the gentiles was, it started with, when the Jews were, the scepter was removed from the Jews. By Nebuchadnezzar, in the Ezekiel twenty-one, Ezekiel said, "God told Ezekiel, 'Remove the scepter, take away the throne from, from Israel. They will no longer have world dominion. I'll give it to four nations↗

2:21:32Speaker 22until He comes whose right it is.'" And, so the first Time of the Gentiles began with the Babylon, Babylonians who ruled the world in place of the Jewish pro-projected Jewish kingdom, then the Persians and the Greeks, then the Romans were the last of the Gentiles to finish that term which Christ called the time of the Gentiles. So the time of the gentiles ran from 603 when the Ju-- Babylon overthrew the Jewish c- throne and ended with the end of Papal Rome, which was, was, be 1798 when, The, the point is of course, there's↗

2:22:13Speaker 17no indication in the gospel that those are the dates. This is purely speculation.↗

2:22:18Speaker 22Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's absolute. He said, "When the times of the Gentiles is up." Now, if you look across at, look at, at Revelation chapter eleven verse two, John uses the terms "times of the Gentiles." will elapse in forty-two months, a, a prophecy of forty-two months versus one thousand two hundred and sixty years goes back to Daniel's prophecies of when the gentiles would reign.↗

2:22:46Speaker 22And it's no time to discuss it here, but if you study, Revelation eleven two and the prophecy of the forty-two months in light of Luke twenty-one twenty-four, you'll see that Christ's prediction that the Jews will return to Jerusalem Precisely coincided with, John the Revelator's prediction that the papal Rome will demise in forty-two months, prophetic months, which is One thousand two hundred and sixty year reign from five thirty eight until seventeen ninety eight. So history confirms it absolutely.↗

2:23:20Speaker 17You're, you're making, you're making these interpretations of scripture saying, "Well, that's, that's papal Rome." There's, there's no indication in the Gospel that that's papal Rome. You're, you're just saying that. Well,↗

2:23:30Speaker 22you gotta, you gotta, you gotta blend the Gospels with Daniel and Book of Revelation. And- No, you↗

2:23:37Speaker 23don't. No, you don't. Pardon me, let me field this one↗

2:23:43Speaker 23Is a will and a testament. You see, the New Testament supersedes the Old one, and I'm sure Michael will tell you this and, and, and corroborate. No, Daniel's, prophecies were to the advent of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem. You see, you are like those Christian Zionists trying to graft Old Testament prophecies onto the New. You're a fraud. You are completely in error, and you shouldn't be free to speak about matters of faith because you're a damn liar. Period.↗

2:24:10Speaker 22You are, shut up. But be quiet. Now hold on. Be quiet. You're a↗

2:24:15Speaker 23liar. Carmine. Yeah, let him, let him choke, let him hang himself.↗

2:24:18Ian MalcolmWhoa, whoa, disavow that.↗

2:24:21Speaker 23No, give him enough rope. Let him, let him, let him explain himself. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Explain yourself.↗

2:24:27Speaker 22But you be quiet until I speak.↗

2:24:29Speaker 23Yeah, explain yourself. Go ahead.↗

2:24:32Speaker 22Ian, I'm not a Christian Zionist. I'm a Christian, and I- I think Christian Zionism is bad theology, it's bad Jewish theology, and it's bad, bad Christian theol-- theology, and that was my third perspective I wanted to add. Well, let me, let me ask you a non-- Hold on. But I'm not, I'm not looking at that. Hold on,↗

2:24:53Speaker 20let me ask you a non-theological question. Is what↗

2:24:57Speaker 24Israel has done in Gaza a genocide?↗

2:25:03Speaker 24Maybe a double mute.↗

2:25:06Speaker 24So the question is, is what Israel has done in Gaza a genocide?↗

2:25:15Speaker 25What a coincidence it's a double mute now, that you can't talk to someone. Yeah, I don't know,↗

2:25:20Speaker 20I don't quite know. Did I, did I lose you? I was getting the,↗

2:25:25Speaker 26insert. Yeah, he got a phone call. He got a phone call. I think you denigrated his mic.↗

2:25:28Speaker 24He sounded like a bot. That must have been. Hi, Q. What do you say? Em, Emirul. How are you, my friend?↗

2:25:36Speaker 26Yo, what's up, David? thanks for the invite. I do need five minutes to, pitch in, but I'm loving the space.↗

2:25:50Speaker 22Oh, oh What, what happened in Gaza then? Yeah, free Palestine of course. But, you see, I'm not a Christian Zionist, David and Michael. I, I'm Christian. My mother's Jewish. But, I, who's Jewish? My mother is, is Jewish. But, but she became a Christian and I'm a Christian. Free Palestine. So you're ethnically, you're↗

2:26:22Speaker 17ethnically Jewish, but you're religiously Christian.↗

2:26:25Speaker 18Well,↗

2:26:27Speaker 22bloodline, bloodline, mother side, one eighth, if that's, that's, ethically- I mean, there's no singular as Jewish↗

2:26:37Speaker 17ethnicity, come on. You, you know that.↗

2:26:41Speaker 20Okay, but let's just take it on face value what he's saying. So if you disagree with his analysis, then just-- It sounds like we have some good challenges to his analysis, so let's take it on face value in that way. Okay, so↗

2:26:55Speaker 22let me continue. the, the, the issue was-- Wait,↗

2:27:00Ian Malcolmand, and in search, this has been, so far everybody's been, well, minus Carmine to call it out, honestly, but everybody's been pretty much pretty level-headed. but your suggestion, I, I would- I agree with, Dr. Eckenwald. You, you are making some pretty big jumps to make presumptions about biblical prophecy that, let, let's say are loosely connected, and I, I think it's reasonable to try and draw parallels where they make sense, but this is just your worldview that, we're gonna play off of. But let, let's try and have a, a professional back and forth with some of the other people on the panel. Everybody feel free to jump in, but please do so in a professional way.↗

2:27:37Speaker 22Well, Ian, if you Search of history dot org, you will see all the prophecies of Daniel Revelation in historical charted forms, and you'll see all the prophecies of Christ and the Gospels in charted form and of, of Paul, and they all,↗

2:27:57Speaker 22say the same thing, they all point towards the end of the world, Christ's return. The prophecies of Daniel didn't end with the destruction of Jerusalem, the prophecies of Daniel's end with the return of Christ, therefore- Major prophecies in the Book of Daniel all end in the coming of Christ, and therefore, five major prophecies in the Book of Daniel all end with the turn, with the return of Christ. And of course, Christ's prophecy in his, his, of, Matthew twenty-four, the sermon on the mount, it starts with his birthday and it ends at the,↗

2:28:34Speaker 22the return of Himself, the return of Christ. So, They all line up, and if you would look at historical charts that I have posted in my website, you will see how Daniel, Christ, Paul, and John all line up theologically, and it's too much to go over on this side, Ian, but, if-- so you, you have to just use that as a, as, as an assumption or premise. And let me continue,↗

2:29:08Speaker 22and, and later on, if you guys would consult the charts I have in my website, and you want me back on the show to discuss them, I'll be happy to, at any time. I've written six books, and, I know the, the subject backwards and forwards, but, these spaces are a limited time, obviously, so you can't get into the nuts and bolts,↗

2:29:34Speaker 22The, another point I wanted to make was that,↗

2:29:40Speaker 22the very first speaker you had was talking about, you know, transferring all the Jews to Madagascar or something. Well, I'd like to add a little bit of perspective on that.↗

2:29:54Speaker 22who overthrew the papacy? It was an alliance of the new pagans and the French, Enlightenment and the Jewish, Freemasonry chiefs. The Jewish bankers were the, the chiefs of, of Freemasonry, and they made an alliance with French, philosophers, and they financed the French Revolution, and financed Napoleon, and ousted the papacy. The Book of Revelation had predicted it. In Revelation thirteen three, it said, "The papal power will have a deadly wound, but the deadly wound will be healed."↗

2:30:31Speaker 22So the, the Jewish bankers, in alliance with Napoleon and the Freemasons, inflicted a deadly wound in the papacy. We, Daniel eleven forty, eleven forty-five and Revelation thirteen, twelve to se- seventeen. And twelve to eighteen and Revelation seventeen ten to fifteen predict that the papacy will regain power and they will,↗

2:31:02Speaker 22disentertain the Jews from, Palestine. In fact, it, it says that the papacy will plant the Tabernacle of this palace between the sea and the Most Holy Mountain. So the Jews inflicted a deadly, the Jewish bankers inflicted a deadly wound on the papacy and has kept the papacy dormant, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead for one thousand two hundred and sixty years in Europe during the Dark Ages, but after they were put down by the Jewish bankers, they have been dormant for three hundred years, but Daniel, Revelation, John predicts that they will regain their power and they will then,↗

2:31:41Speaker 22expel the Jews from, Jerusalem. And so, this would be, this is history and this is what Christ will, will ordain. But it would be unfortunate in the sense that, you see, it's not all Jews that are bad. I, I, I use the word Jews loosely here. because, I'll give you an example. When the Jews were liberated from the, first of all For seventeen hundred years.↗

2:32:10Ian MalcolmJames, we're, we're going down a, a-- So a quick question, and this is from the Purple Pill. Do you practice, you said you're a Christian, is that right? Sure. Yes. Okay, so here, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to try and, encapsulate this conversation that I think you would like to have. We can do that in a future space so that we don't further derail this one. I wanna make sure that Dr. Recknold gets, plenty of↗

2:32:38Ian MalcolmProbably a very significant amount of content into something very, let, let's just overly brief. It's, it's going to be unreasonable to you into your worldview. So instead, why don't we try to do this in a, a separate space and you can kind of walk through your thesis here?↗

2:32:53Speaker 22that would be fine, but if you allow me to, just, encapsulate what I think Michael was trying, saying, from, and that would be focused on dispensationalism, Zionism, and Christian Zionism. Sionism, Zionism. my, my mother's people had every year said, "Next year in Jerusalem," and that's Zionism. They want to go back home. When Napoleon liberated them from the ghettos,↗

2:33:27Speaker 22they of course wanted to go back home, but the- The, the foremost enemy against the Jews going back to Palestine were actually the,↗

2:33:40Speaker 22Ashkenazi Hebrews that were converted to- Judaism in 840 BC, and we know them as Ashkenazi Jews.↗

2:33:52Speaker 17Are you↗

2:33:52Speaker 22talking about the↗

2:33:53Speaker 17Khazars here?↗

2:33:54Speaker 22The whom? The Khazars. Yes, the Khazars Jews, yes. they're not Jews, they were members of the lost ten tribes, they were Hebrews, but they accepted Jews, Judaism, and but Judaism in its Talmudic and, Kabbalistic form. You know, which is, they say, "I mean, it's a heresy even in Jewish conceptions." and they, they opposed the Sephardic and other Jews that were in the ghettos for so long, they opposed them going back to Jerusalem because the Hasidic Jews wanted world domination through the Freemasons.↗

2:34:37Speaker 17And, are you telling us the protocols of the elders are correct?↗

2:34:46Speaker 22Well, the protocols of Zion were written by, Jewish, Freemasons predicting what they would do in history, but they opposed the, the Sephardic Jews going back to Palestine, and it wasn't until, Herzl and the British Emperor showed interest in returning the Sephardic Jews to Jerusalem, that the Hasidic Jews just, hey, we've been betting on the wrong horse, let's jump on board. And, through the Rothschilds, they completely took over this yearning to return to Zionism, and, they, they,↗

2:35:34Speaker 22plotted with the British to est- establish a state of Israel, and, But the, the,↗

2:35:42Ian Malcolmso, so just to be clear, yes, what we have heard, Michael and David, is a individual who is, of Jewish, let's say, ancestry or ethnicity, who is a practicing Christian, who has looked into this historically, and maybe takes a couple angles that I, I don't necessarily agree with, but I'm, I'm always open-minded, and he's come to the exact same conclusion that we↗

2:36:08Ian Malcolmhave, and that Christian Zionism is being weaponized so that Ash-- largely Ashkenazi Jews can blend in with all the other Jews to build up essentially the greater Israel, is where I'm assuming that you're going to take this, and then they will, from there, they will rule the world, and lord over the goy, is that right? Right, but↗

2:36:29Speaker 17there may be more to it, right? It's, it's possible that as, one of the, I think it was a Palestinian activist said, that Zionism was just a cover, you know, this, it's just a nationalist cover for a global domination plan. Of course.↗

2:36:49Speaker 22That's correct, but it, it was, it came late. It came only after the British showed interest in returning the Sephardic Jews to, to Palestine. Now, this will blow your mind, Michael and Ian, David the Ashkenazi Jews had a problem with the, the almost equal majority of Jews that were in Europe, and that problem was they didn't wanna go to-- they, they, they, they, they didn't want world domination. So the Ashkenazi Jews brought about↗

2:37:32Speaker 22the, the chancellorship of Hitler. Hitler was, Hitler was a Jew. He was the son of, here we go. Oh, here we go. He was the grandson. Okay. Alright, here we go. He was the grandson of Salomon Rothschilds. He was the grandson of Salomon Rothschilds. He was, he and many of his top generals were Jews, and many of his top advisors and financiers were Jews, and they were Ashkenazi Jews who made war against the Sephardic Jews, so that when we came out of the ghettos, when my fa- mother's families came out of the ghettos, there was almost equal amounts of Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews by the end of World War Two.↗

2:38:19Speaker 22They had almost liquidated all the Sephardic Jews, and that's why they are ninety-seven percent, ninety-five percent of all the Jews in the world are now Ashkenazi Jews. It was a Jewish civil war, Jews against Jews, all upon who will dominate the world, and they don't, they don't want any opposition to, to, to their Freemason Jewish domination of the world.↗

2:38:43Speaker 17Now, now, let me ask you a question. What do you think? The Gentile world, how should the Gentile world regard these two tribes, these, these two, elements of the same tribe, but, you know, somewhat different tribes, I guess these parallel Jewish tribes? How, how are the Gentiles supposed to regard these people?↗

2:39:04Speaker 22Okay.↗

2:39:06Speaker 17Good↗

2:39:06Speaker 22question. First of all, Professor, understand that the word Gentiles isn't in the Old Testament or the New Testament. The word Gentiles, in referring to nations, yes, it is. No, no, no, no. The word Gentiles came from the Greek, and the Old Testament was written long before the- It's in the Old and the↗

2:39:25Speaker 18New↗

2:39:25Speaker 22Testament. How, how is that? The↗

2:39:27Speaker 23nations. Hold,↗

2:39:28Speaker 22hold it, hold it, hold it.↗

2:39:31Speaker 23You hold it.↗

2:39:32Speaker 22The Gentiles, the Gentiles are just ref- are just nations. In, in the promise to Abraham, God said, "I'll make you of great nations," and He used the word,↗

2:39:49Speaker 22Goy, Goy,↗

2:39:52Speaker 23Goy, Goy, yeah, yeah, Goy.↗

2:39:54Speaker 17That didn't you lie, that if if Nathan,↗

2:39:56Speaker 23boy, we know this already, there's nothing new here, my friend. He didn't lie. Let me ask you something. What do you think of Donald Trump? What do you think of Donald Trump, sir? What do you think of Donald Trump?↗

2:40:05Speaker 22Unfortunately, Donald Trump isn't, isn't the puppet strings of the Zionist, and that makes me very sad.↗

2:40:12Speaker 23All puppet strings are the Zionists, but not Jews, just Zionists.↗

2:40:16Speaker 22Well, all Jews are not Zionists.↗

2:40:19Speaker 23No, no, you see, Zionism is just the overt and virulent strain of Judaism, sir.↗

2:40:25Speaker 22Zionism is the, the, the form of- I just told you what it is. I crucified Christ.↗

2:40:31Speaker 23I just told you what, I just told you what Zionism is, sir. It's an, a 19th century openly virulent political manifestation, supported by international Jewry, sir. And you are, one more time, you can't be saying to us that the prophecies of Daniel are still in effect. See the way a testament works, once more, as Michael said, succession, or sorry, success, yeah, succeeding. It's, it's in a succession. The new Two will makes the old one null and void. Not that it's wrong, it's just no longer in force. You can't have two wills in force concurrently, sir. So your exegesis is completely wrong. I don't care what you say you are or think you are or have to say about Jews, you, sir, are like talking like a Christian Zionist, though you say your mother's a Jew. What, you're neither fish nor fowl, and you're a conflator and a confuser and an enemy of Christ. And Hitler was Catholic, but you insist he's a Jew Let me say that he was a Jew for argument's sake.↗

2:41:33Speaker 22He was the son of, he was the grandson of, anyhow, what if let's say,↗

2:41:38Speaker 23anyhow,↗

2:41:39Speaker 22he was a son of, I'm granting you, listen, sir,↗

2:41:42Speaker 23listen, listen, sir, let me finish. And of course, he was a Catholic too. Let me, well,↗

2:41:47Speaker 20let, Carmen, go ahead, let me finish, please. Let me finish, please.↗

2:41:50Speaker 23Thank you. Let's grant you this. Let's suppose that he was indeed the son of, or grandson of a Rothschild,↗

2:42:01Speaker 22Listen,↗

2:42:02Speaker 23listen, I, I'm not-↗

2:42:03Ian MalcolmHang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm gonna need you to validate that statement, I, I wanna say it's James, I wanna be polite here. yeah, James, I'm gonna need you to substantiate that suggestion. Grok, every other search engine, and look, I'm, I'm happy to suggest that AI is clearly perverted and controlled by this group of people to obscure certain parts of history, but all of the AI will return that there's no link between Adolf Hitler and the Roths↗

2:42:31Speaker 22Look, I can do that. I can send you, Ian, a lot of references and all of these AIs.↗

2:42:37Ian MalcolmIt, it should be easy if it's, if it's common history, right? Of course,↗

2:42:41Speaker 22it is. It is documented history. He was the son of the son of the son of the Rothschild. So what is, what is the ancestry or the lineage↗

2:42:47Ian Malcolmthat connects him directly to the Rothschilds?↗

2:42:49Speaker 22What's that?↗

2:42:50Ian MalcolmWhat is the ancestry or lineage that, that would connect him to the Rothschilds?↗

2:42:54Speaker 22Well, h-his housekeeper was a, a German maiden, and, she was a, she was a housekeeper to Salomon Rothschild in, in Austria, and she had- Okay, that's that's- He had a↗

2:43:06Ian Malcolmhousekeeper who might have been a housekeeper for somebody else. How, how does that have to do with the blood that ran through that man's veins? I'm confused.↗

2:43:13Speaker 22No, he had a child by her, and, his, that child was the father of Hitler. And this, even, even Hitler's, methods validated the father↗

2:43:27Ian Malcolmof, the father of Hitler was who by name?↗

2:43:32Speaker 22Salomon Raschke.↗

2:43:35Ian MalcolmOkay, so why, why is all history returning the death of Bubkes?↗

2:43:39Speaker 22Returning what?↗

2:43:41Ian Malcolmthere, there's nothing that is returning that and validating that claim, that I, I'm, I'm just sitting here looking and, and look, I'm happy to accept that Grok is, is plenty biased, but it's overtly suggesting that that's incorrect.↗

2:43:52Speaker 22Look, there are several books. You've got to look at the older books. All the recent books have been contaminated and, and, revisionism has wiped out much of the truth of ancient history. I have about five thousand books in my library, and I've bought a lot of the older books where you, you So, so who,↗

2:44:12Ian Malcolmwho would be the name, so Solomon Rothschild, you are suggesting is the father of Adolf Hitler, but it's just obscured from all the history books, is that right?↗

2:44:20Speaker 22Not all history books. It is con- Well, you'll have↗

2:44:23Speaker 17to give us your references. I'm not asking for them right now, but how about putting them in the, in the nest or something? I, I can, I can- That's a pretty, that's a pretty bold claim.↗

2:44:32Speaker 22And I can DM, I can DM them to you. That, that's no problem.↗

2:44:37Speaker 23Publish them, put them in the purple pill. Why make it a DM, sir? Make it open for everyone to see. Why not?↗

2:44:43Speaker 22Right.↗

2:44:43Speaker 20Well, basically, even just from a rational perspective, we always have to remember, he who posits must defend. If you can simply make a claim, you should simply defend the claim. And if you can't do it, refrain from making the claim. Of course,↗

2:44:59Speaker 22of course. But, but- Refrain from making the claim. Of course, but I don't, I'm not in my library↗

2:45:04Speaker 17now, and I don't have the Like a Jewish appropriation of, of Goya heroes, even, you know, you want it all, sounds like, you know, that's one reading, that possible reading. Yeah, but↗

2:45:15Speaker 20my only point is, if I say to you that X is true, I should be prepared on the spot to defend it.↗

2:45:21Ian MalcolmAnd, and for what it's worth, according to, and, and I'm, I'm try- I'm trying to go out on a limb with you, 'cause I like a good conspiracy, the, the wildest claim that I can find, and this is being presented as a↗

2:45:37Ian Malcolmthis is Grok, which is suggesting that I suppose it was Adolf Hitler's grandmother who worked with the Rothschild family, prospectively became pregnant, unbeknownst to anybody else, I guess through an extramarital affair, which would then lend that Adolf Hitler's father could have been born to somebody of the Rothschild family, which is very different than saying that it was his father directly. So, and, and again, this is, this is what Grok is saying is a way Wild conspiracy theory, which I love a good one, but-↗

2:46:09Speaker 22But of course, you, you don't believe Grok,↗

2:46:11Ian MalcolmIan.↗

2:46:12Speaker 22Grok is, is, revisionist his history.↗

2:46:16Ian MalcolmYou're, you're correct. I, I don't believe Grok. But, but it's, I mean, it's really stra- Like, this, this is one of those ones where Grok will tell me that Karl Marx was not Jewish, and that's clearly wrong. But we can go back and we can look up his name, and Mordecai Levy is very, very easy to It says, "Well, yeah, okay, fine, it was just..." Right? Like, you, you can prompt it and force function it to do those things, but in this one, Grok is basically saying that this is ridiculous, which, again, I, I don't believe everything the internet and certainly not AI says, but you, you need to validate it with a little bit more than "I've got an old book that I found."↗

2:46:56Speaker 22Not an old book. Not an old book. I certainly will validate it, but let me answer, Michael's questions about what you do with that's where we went off in the tangent. Michael, the, the, the- Why don't you just tell us the↗

2:47:12Speaker 23book title?↗

2:47:15Speaker 22I don't have my references here, but my listen, just tell us the book title, how about that? Listen, listen, and search↗

2:47:20Speaker 27history has, I, I can help you with this one a little bit. The, the, hang on, let, let Colin go, I bet he's got a, yeah. So this conspiracy is a common Hitler slander conspiracy that was actually started by his nephew, during the war, whenever Hitler wouldn't give him money. this, it's the Schickelgruber conspiracy theory, essentially.↗

2:47:40Speaker 27It's not what, the, the idea isn Overlapped, but essentially the story goes that the Schickelgrubers were actually, Jews in the area that his grandmother lived, and she did do, you know, how she was a housemaid for them. but the thing is, is that their census data from where the Schickelgruber's family actually was, and this was, they were just German, there were no Jews on the census in the area at the time, the family's just German that they did the housework, that she did the housework for. Not only that, but we know who↗

2:48:13Speaker 27Hitler We, we have a family lineage, but, yeah, you don't, you're, you're missing the-- If you're gonna do this conspiracy theory, it's not the Rothschilds, it's the Schickelgrubers, and the idea is that allegedly the Schickelgrubers were Jewish, but there's no proof that the Schickelgrubers were Jewish. The idea that it's the Rothschilds is completely nonsensical, and there's no evidence or anything for, for that. And even the conspiracy theorists don't think that they're Rothschilds, they↗

2:48:45Speaker 22Solve that problem, obviously. I'm in my shorts in my, my dining room. I don't have my library or my references here. So I just cited it for you. You guys, you guys, you don't need to even cite, you don't↗

2:48:57Speaker 27even need to cite the book. These are just, I mean, I guess I could go pull the exact sources for you right now, but you couldn't even get the names right. Like these weren't, that, that no one believes that this isn't a, this isn't even like a fringe conspiracy theory that it was a Conspiracy theories floating around that he's actually Jewish, but this idea that he's related to, that he's related to the Rothschilds in any way, this-- the Rothschilds have a very clear family genealogy that have extensive records that go back for a very long time. Like, we know who's in the Rothschild family, and Hitler's not one of 'em.↗

2:49:31Speaker 22Well, of↗

2:49:31Speaker 23course. If I may, I'm sorry, if I may interject, I'm, I refuse to believe that a man of that level of intelligence can't remember the title of a book. For the life of↗

2:49:45Speaker 23One of the two.↗

2:49:46Speaker 17It's one of the two. If I had, if I had discovered something like that, I certainly wouldn't forget the name of the book it was in. Right. Yeah. It's not,↗

2:49:54Speaker 22it's not just one book, guys.↗

2:49:56Speaker 20I agree with this. And I,↗

2:49:57Speaker 22I wrote a book, I wrote a book in twenty eighteen, from the, from Gaddos to the Thrones of Europe, and, I have- And all four volumes all together comes to about three thousand pages. I have hundreds and hundreds of references. I'm seventy-nine years old, I can't remember everything. I've gotta look at even my own books and my footnotes to recall, you know, the references I made. But all my books are heavily documented. And, so,↗

2:50:30Speaker 22if you wanna back my book, well, I will↗

2:50:31Speaker 20tell you the good news is that which is submitted without ev-postulated without evidence can be- Can be dismissed without argumentation, so I think we should move on, my friend. Well, well,↗

2:50:40Speaker 22well, this isn't not a forum for presenting evidence because no one has the evidence. incorrect. Listen, hold on, hold on,↗

2:50:48Speaker 20hold on, hold on. Ian, can we just- Incorrect. EU posits must defend if he claims to be rational. So that is incorrect. It is puerile, childish for anyone at any stage of adulthood to say, "I know this to be true," and then when challenged, them say, "Well, it's in a book." Somewhere, you know, I, I, I read it somewhere. I don't know. If you can't defend that which you postulate, then remain silent. I can, but you can't do it in the↗

2:51:15Speaker 22space of, in a few minutes. I'm, I'm sorry, but I'm, I'm sorry.↗

2:51:19Speaker 20Your, this is, listen, this is getting a little tedious because this is just how to-- Yes, the long part of this. Yes, the long part of this. Hold on, hold on. This is just, my God, listen, this is just how to Can be dismissed without argumentation, and in this case, we will. It's worthless. I know what I'm thinking when I say things I have something in mind, and if I can't reference in my own consciousness a defense of what I'm saying, then I literally don't know what I am talking about. When we say, "You don't know what you're talking about," it means your knowledge isn't native to you. So to say, "Well, I make this claim, but I have no idea what the evidence is, but it's in a book somewhere. I think I remember..."↗

2:52:06Speaker 20Sir,↗

2:52:07Speaker 22that maxim doesn't fit the forum of X because↗

2:52:12Speaker 20a person doesn't, why not? It fits every forum all the time, everywhere. It would fit if I was hanging on to the little rope hanging from a balloon for my life. If I postulated something, I would still have a reason. I would have to have something in mind. If I said dogs are smarter than cats, and then you said, "What's the evidence?" and I said, "I don't know, I just-- I think I read it somewhere, and I forgot the name of the book." I'm sorry, Listen, I'm right about this, and no, no, I'm right about this, and we're not gonna argue about it 'cause this is getting ridiculous.↗

2:52:43Speaker 19Plus that assertion is more, strange and, y-y-- I mean, strange and shocking that you definitely would remember the source of that type of information. No, no, David,↗

2:52:54Speaker 22I'm an attorney, okay? Look. Yeah, well, you're very good at that. You're very, you're very bad at that, too. If you make an assertion, assertion in court The judge says, "Okay, counsel, brief me on that." You go back, each of you sub-submit a memorandum of points of authority. There you know, because it's been, it's been very nice↗

2:53:15Speaker 20talking with you. Listen It's been nice talking to you, but this is going nowhere, which is the point I'm making, right? This is going nowhere. Maybe read, I don't know, Francis Bacon's, you know, the scientific method. Maybe just learn, literally, this is just the rational method, how to conduct yourself and to thinking. you're not doing well, my friend. You haven't represented yourself well, but maybe come back another time when you can do so, especially when you make extravagant claims, right? There's a black hole in, Poughkeeps That to be true. Oh, well, I have a book upstairs and it says that, and I forget the name of the book, but you know, I'm sitting in my underwear right now in the living room, so no way can I fish that out. By the way, I'm sitting in my library too. So anyway, have a nice day. Let's move on. I↗

2:54:00Ian Malcolmpresume you are in some, let's say, luxurious, maybe silk pajamas, maybe with a pipe or something along those lines. I like how that gentleman said I'm in my living room in my↗

2:54:12Speaker 20underwear. I love the counting of the volumes as though they all work together, you know? I'm sitting in my bikini in my kitchen. My monography of worms by Darwin isn't gonna come into play in this conversation, but, you know. Anyway, why don't we move on? I don't know who else has their hand up.↗

2:54:34Ian MalcolmWell, and for what it's worth, I love-- I saw Colin raise his hand, to come up for a mic on this subject, and I was so excited just because I know this is something he's looked into extensively, and to the very comment that Colin made, he even acknowledged that, "Look, there is this line of thinking, it goes down this path, here is the claim that's made, we've looked into it, right?" And that's what I love about what we are↗

2:55:00Ian MalcolmThere are individuals that have expertise in all of these little aspects of this very complex puzzle, and I don't claim to know all of them by any stretch of the imagination. I don't even know where they, where they are on the board, right? But when we bring all of ourselves together, we all become the puzzle pieces that within ourselves have our own little puzzle pieces that we bring to the table, right? So this is a massive picture we're trying to understand. to James, if he's still listening, you're welcome to send me a direct message, go do the research, find the↗

2:55:30Ian MalcolmIn a different space, but to David's point, I think we're just gonna continue chasing our tail, on this conversation. So let's put a, what is it, a, let's put a bookmark in that suggestion or a pin in it. but let's go down to, to Mythos and then we'll check in with Ronnie.↗

2:55:46Speaker 28Yeah, buddy, that was amazing. imagine a guy who's written six books on a subject and, believes in the Khazarian hypothesis and that Hitler was a descendant of the Rothschilds. I mean, this is Jews in, like, this is, these are the good Jews, right? The Christian, like, you know, on our side Jews, and they spend their entire life propagandizing themselves with all of this Cherry-picked material, writing these volumes of books. It, it was amazing. yeah, I, I did want to ask him, but, you know, just I'll put this out there 'cause I know the answer to my question, even though he wouldn't, is the, the genetics of these Ashkenazis is quite simple. These are corroborated, cross-referenced, peer-reviewed studies on the genetics of Ashkenazis. They, they carry mostly the J1, J2, E1, B1, B. Those are three different variants of the Middle Eastern and North African, the migration that they did into and mescigenating with Southern Europeans, the men with the women, they still carry this genetic today. This is, this is from his eight hundred year or eight hundred AD,↗

2:57:02Speaker 28you know, you know, where he was trying to say, "Oh, this is where the Ashkenazis came from." No, they came from the Middle East. Now, the question we can ask is, people who left the Middle East, mescigenated and intermixed and, became- Racially, hybrid or mongrelized with another, group of people, do they even have a, valid claim then, even if they have roots in the Middle East, do they have a more valid claim?↗

2:57:32Speaker 28Then the people who didn't leave, didn't mescogenate and have more pure Canaanite ancestry, which is what that is-- what's going on down there, is that the Palestinians and the others who are there still have a greater, genetic consistency with the people who've been there a long time, and these others are coming back, quote unquote, to a place where their ancestors left, but they are mescogenated, they are, you know, mixed mongrel hybrids. And their, their claims are far less,↗

2:58:06Speaker 28you know, strong than the people who've been there for a long time, and that's, that's a big, you know, I, I would- You know, encourage anybody to kind of look into that aspect of it, because then their claim always falls back to, "Well, we have this book, and it tells us, you know, we can blow up kids, because, you know, Hashem." so there you go. And any, an-any claims to the otherwise is, "Oh, that's revisionist history," and "Lalalalala, my fingers in my ears." So, anyways, great, great talk, good stuff. Michael Rechtman, well, keep up the good work↗

2:58:40Speaker 28And, and mythos, o-on↗

2:58:42Ian Malcolmthe genetic piece, I'm, I'm very curious because, you know, when, when people try to suggest that there isn't necessarily a, a Jewish race or ethnicity, which I find kind of curious because the Jews themselves, the times of Israel, right? They, they advocate such. And, and I, I understand the, the claim that perhaps, race might be, overly specific, but, you know, obviously I think it's reasonable to suggest that African Americans are unique To say, for example, sub-Saharan Africans, right? And, and so it's very curious because the Ashkenazi, the bottleneck, this group of people were clearly for centuries essentially inbreeding with just one another. And so if you've got a group of people that centuries over time have become, let's say, racially or ethnically unique, then, then I don't know how that term wouldn't be applicable. And the other piece is that Ashkenazi Jews, not only do they have genetic markers that you can pick off, off of, the- Mitochondrial DNA aspects of this, but they also, they have unique genetic prevalence for certain diseases and all sorts of other things, and so I, I always found that very curious, and I'm, I'm, I'm curious for your thoughts on kind of that aspect of this puzzle.↗

2:59:58Speaker 28Yeah, the, the, the genetics are pretty clear. You know, it's the endog-- endogamy is what it's called, right? When they start to, to have enough people with which they can inbreed together. Endogamy. Endogamy, yeah. And so, you have-- They did do that, right? And that's that bottleneck. And so w-- when you look at those plot maps, they'll put them up, right? Oh, here's white people in this circle, and that's Europeans. You have the, the Southern Europeans and the↗

3:00:27Speaker 28In the middle, that's, that's the, that's the Jews, so they're, they're different, right? Well, and then on the other side, you have the Middle Easterners, and you have that whole stripe, if you guys know what, what plot maps I'm talking about there. And, and that center part is just these, these, this intermixing. It's, it's largely and mostly, and you can get into the autosomal DNA and the mitochondrial DNA and the Y haplotype DNAs, the men, the women, and the mix between the↗

3:00:57Speaker 28Of them that mescigenated in, it was mostly males, almost all males that mescigenated into Southern European admixture, and then they did, then they traveled up into the Rhineland and they started endogamy, and they began to just interbreed with each other for the, for the length of time to create their own little thing, right? But it's just, it comes down to still just a mixture of, of Middle Eastern and Southern European DNA. And I'm gonna go out on I'm gonna give you my big wild hypothesis here. Why, why would a beautiful Southern European bride of the Roman Empire go, "Hey, this low IQ," and, and their IQ all comes from the, from the, the miseducation. They would have, if you go back and you look at pure Canaanite,↗

3:01:52Speaker 28genetics, they all, they have an 80 Average IQ. The, the, all of these, this claim of this high IQ, it all came from the fact that they in-intermixed with Europeans. That's where↗

3:02:07Speaker 28Thank you. But if you think about in that time, why would a, why would a beautiful Aryan Roman princess be like, "Hey, this retarded Middle Easterner is just doing phenomenal. Look how good he is at banking and, and law. You know, this is, this is ridiculous." So then you look at the, some of their other habits of stealing children and rapey kind of behavior, and you go, "Huh?↗

3:02:34Speaker 28Well?" I think, you know, that they probably raped their way and stole children in the Middle East, in, in it-- Italy and in Southern Europe, and that's how they became what they are. I don't know if that answers your question, but I wanted to get that kind of, that plug in there for that. but the genetics don't lie. That's the beautiful thing is you can actually just look at the genetics. So when they come up with this Kazarian theory and they convert it, it's like, "Well, did they convert their, their Y haplotype to J one, J two, and E one B one B? 'Cause that would be a very interesting conversion.↗

3:03:11Ian MalcolmJust the genetic magic, right? And the conversion. No, and, and that's why I was curious for your thoughts, and, and I see Rabbi's got his hands up, so, curious for↗

3:03:22Ian MalcolmYou know, it's, it's obviously, back to Dr. Ertmanwald's comment at the very offset of the space. You know, this isn't an all anybody is anything, right, or everything, but rather to recognize that there are patterns of behavior that perhaps those are descended from or attributed to some kind of genetic predisposition. And so it's a, an aspect that I find very interesting about it. And at, at fifty thousand feet, Rabbi, you know, I've got this thesis that oftentimes genetics begets a, a culture or a- A civilization which begets a religion, right? And that, that religion then reinforces the culture and on and on and on. And with the Jews, it seems to me, anyway, like it's a religion that basically pushes and advocates for a lot of the very things that would manifest from the culture that we witness, which seems to be very ethnocentric, very outgroup psychopathic, as, to make my own little term there, as David would say, right? So that psychopathy that would be applicable to the outgroup is derivative From what might be either insecurity and/or some kind of vanity or hedonism. So kind of curious for your thoughts there, Rabbi.↗

3:04:28@malleusigYeah, yeah. I was just, basically what you're talking about, I just wanna bring up the work of Eran Elhaik, from the University of, was it Jerusalem or I forget which one, it was he and another researcher, both Jewish, one working out of the University of Jerusalem, one working out of- I forget which American university, but a, a pretty rep, pretty really high ren- well-renowned one, I'll look it up. And, yeah, the work, the, the, the conclusions they came to is that↗

3:04:59@malleusigthe, a lot of the, I think it's eighty percent of the genetics that you find in Ashkenazi Jews are not European and also not Levantine, they're actually this like Turkish-Mongolian mixture. And so you're looking at a, which are the, the Polish Ashkenazis, right? So like they're, they're more of a, they're more of a, like a Turkomongolian,↗

3:05:26@malleusigseed group with like Sprinkling of Levantine DNA, like they must have imported some women to give them like legitimate, a feeling of legitimacy right when they converted to Judaism or something, but, they're not very Levantine at all, and that's why you have this persistent tragedy happening in the Middle East, is every time↗

3:05:49@malleusigEvery time an Ashkenazi kills a Palestinian, he's killing someone that is many, many times more Jewish, more Hebrew, right, more Israelite than he is. And so you can actually look at what's going on in the Middle East as a consistent effort by, Let's just call it, you know, fake Jews, to exterminate any real Jews genetics from the face of the planet, so they have no challenge to their claims of legitimacy as the only remaining Jews.↗

3:06:19Speaker 19One sec, real quick, Michael, I'm having to go back in.↗

3:06:23@malleusigYep, I'm, I'm trying to bring you up↗

3:06:25Speaker 28right now.↗

3:06:26@malleusigSure.↗

3:06:27Speaker 28Just to give some, some added info there, and, and I agree with that, like what they would like to do is get rid of all those who have more actual Jewish genetics, if, and I like to call it Canaanite, right? It's just this. but the, the Y haplogroup is passed down by the male, so a male can pass down, if you're, if I'm an R1b, which I am, I pass down R1b to my son. If I have a daughter, she gets the, the mitochond Real DNA, right? And, and she could be an R1B, but she's not going to be able to pass down the R1B to a male. Her husband is gonna pass his Y haplogroup onto the, the further. So when you look at the Jews, the Ashkenazis are overwhelmingly J1, J2, E1, B1b, which is,↗

3:07:20Speaker 28the, the Same as the Leb-- the Lebanese, the, the Palestinians. E1B1B is North African area, so it's all around that area. Now it could go out to the Turks or whatever, but it is J1, J2, E1B1B heavily. And this is the other contradiction, and this is if you really wanna just kinda play-- you wanna talk to Jews about this, I hate talking to Jews about this 'cause they're so, they're so disingenuous, they're so obfuscating. It's just, it's not my take, Ian Thank you, Ian, for, for your taking one for the team.↗

3:07:57Speaker 28is that they, they don't count down from the maternal line. the, the, the J one, J two, E one, B one, B is, is how they look at this, this lineage in great, in great way. So the, the women, the mitochondrial DNA, a majority of it is European It's, it's Southern European. So, the-- it's not a maternal Jewish line genetically, because these are Europeans. It's very, you know, and, and none of them know any of this, or if they do, you just, it'll just be like, "How did Hitler say?" You know, it's like squeezing sand in your fist, and it just pours out through your fingers. it's really, you know, but the, the genetics-- again, the genetics don't lie. You can look this up. There's the studies. All AIs will confirm the studies 'cause they do pull from the studies when they, they get into this.↗

3:08:54Speaker 28but it, you know, you know, I like to keep it simple. J1, J2, E1, B1, B, and they're, they're Middle Eastern, mongrels. They aren't a pure race at all. They're not pure Jewish. They say, "Oh, I'm a hundred percent Jewish," so that means you're a hundred percent half- Middle Eastern, half Southern European, that's what you're trying to say? It's, it's very much exactly who they are, which is I'm not anything or everything on one of these things, but if you pin me down on this, I'm that, I'm this, and so it's, it's just so tiring.↗

3:09:25@malleusigYeah, no, and we can have this discussion. I mean, essentially, it's, I don't really have a stake in the game, so it'll just be, my research or the research of the people that I'm citing versus the research of I'm not really sure how haplogroups work. So how much of that, is quantitative or is it just the presence of a single gene that gives you that haplogroup? And what is it measuring against? Because we know the Mongols made a very famous trip down into the Middle East to destroy the Golden Age of Islam, to destroy Baghdad. And so if you're comparing, if you're comparing Middle Easterners today to Middle Easterners to Ashkenazis today, then is this a case where you're measuring Mongol genes versus Mongol genes? Right? So we can definitely have that discussion, but, overall I agree with you. it's, it's-- these people aren't--↗

3:10:18@malleusigthey're not legitimate. They, they, they, they have this, cover story that they use, they advertise themselves as Jewish, and in reality, they're not genetically Jewish, they're not, by any, any measure, they are usually, very often, not even religiously Jewish. they're Jewish only in the sense they identify as people that feel they have a right to a certain piece of real estate, and that's really not an identity that we have to honor.↗

3:10:50@malleusigI don't think we have to show any reverence to, a real estate acquisition scheme, as if it were an ethnicity or a religion. So I think we're-- we, we need to start Treating these people with more contempt than we're used to.↗

3:11:03Ian MalcolmYeah,↗

3:11:04Speaker 28I agree with that a hundred percent.↗

3:11:06Ian Malcolmyeah. And for what it's worth, just as a quick little plug, we're going to be having a conversation, this week, between Rabbi Malias, who's going to be having-- I don't even wanna use the term debate, because they're very friendly, but, just a difference of opinion when it comes to genetics, and, that's gonna be with Iq via Jq, aka Amiru Always love hearing from, and we'll go to him in just a moment, but first, want to check in with, Mr. Martin and get some of his thoughts on, all that's been discussed.↗

3:11:43Speaker 25Martin, are you with us? Hi, hey, hey there. Sorry to bother you. I actually, I'm sorry to distract the, the discussion, I just wanted to respond to, it's had from before, or would you rather just move on?↗

3:11:57Ian MalcolmOh, nope. talk about anything that you want, Martin. al-always lovely to have you in here, and I know that you're, a very close ally of Mr. Rabbi Malleus, who's one of my all-time favorites. So, the floor is yours.↗

3:12:09Speaker 25Appreciate you, Gregory. so, first of all, his accent. He's got an Asian accent, that guy, and- I, I, either he converted to Judaism, something's weird going on. I've heard him the second time, and he's, he's a weird character. But long before I, I've been spending my time creating activism, internationally, I spent too many years Doing it in Israel, trying to change their opinion, understanding that it's impossible. The strategy is pretty simple. These people are incredibly-- they spend a lot of time looking for excuses to legitimize terrorism, child abuse,↗

3:12:52Speaker 25killing children and everything. So the, the, his whole discussion is trying to legitimize that, and he will overwhelm you with lots of information, and in order to sit down, you go through every piece of information he has and all- Normally it comes down to, well, you made a mistake and you said something and he proved that you're wrong. It, he, he will go through that one by one and their complete discussion is doing that. That's their strategy. He will come into spaces and he will overwhelm the space with lots of little details which take hours to dispute to come to a point where all he wants is to legitimize everything that's wrong with what's going on right now in Israel and Palestine and so on. So On top of that, there were actual lies he was talking about, as a, as someone who unfortunately was brought up in Israel, the school system actually takes all those characters who are easily identified as terrorists and doesn't, don't just talk about them, but they're actual heroes in Israeli culture. There are streets named under their names. If you go into many cities, the streets there have names of these terrorists, the organizations they belong to, all terrorist organizations That are praised in Israeli culture, and these characters other than Merkava, which by majority of the population↗

3:14:15Speaker 25used to be considered incredibly negative, all the names and everything that were brought up, complete terrorists that are actually,↗

3:14:25Speaker 25Dealt with in, in Israel as, as completely the opposite. So I don't think, that might be a bit weird, but I don't think this guy's ever visited Israel, and if he has, he might have been there in a kibbutz like twenty years ago. But what I'm saying is, and like, you, you, I mean, you spend a lot of time with him, talking to him, and he's just overwhelming discussion with lots of little details which actually don't change anything. David's question, I mean, David↗

3:14:51Speaker 25should ask that qu-- it, it, Genocide, yes or no? If it's a yes, fuck off. It's just basically that's the way it should be, nothing else. Thanks, and I'm sorry to, you know, change the discussion to something else, but just, that guy really pisses me off.↗

3:15:07Ian MalcolmNo, lots of very strange, subtle details, right? It's, and, and isn't it curious because it happens in almost every one of these spaces that we host where when we really get a lot of steam, right? And, and we're covering a lot of ground, especially on, on conversations about history, and this one that Dr. Echtemold, put together has just been fantastic. And we, between that individual and then we also had, what does he go by, Masad Mike, right? And, and Yitz us meandering around in the woods rather than going in the direction towards the positive conversation, and, they do come out of the woodwork left, right, and center.↗

3:15:44Speaker 25I think the best thing to do is, is put him up against the truth teller, close the door, and, and just come out later with the guy's nose probably bleeding because he can't deal with him. That's the only way to deal with that guy. He's like, he's honestly, otherwise it's a waste of time.↗

3:15:59Ian MalcolmI, I always liken, Truth Teller to, to Bruce Banner on this application, because for those of us that, that love his work and, and align with a lot of his views, he is a, a professor that knows these things inside and out, right? And he's got his spectacles on, and, he's very buttoned up and professional and friendly, but, but then the Zionists or the Jews come in and they throw around some pilpul, and then he rips off his shirt and he becomes the big green angry guy. And he starts throwing people around. Lots of love to Mr. Truth Teller. I know that, he's holding one of his weekly spaces right now that he does on health and wellness, and just so much love to him and to his work. He's out there not only unpacking the history of this insane machine, but he's also advocating individual accountability, individual health and wellness, right? Taking all the steps that we can to make ourselves better, so that we can confront this crazy world. And so lots of love to him and his work, and to Joanne, who, Over to that space to help co-host. She was in here, of course, earlier, and, she's an absolute just, superstar for us. but that being said, let's go. I know we've got a couple more hands. then we'll come back up to, to Michael for some parting words perhaps. but let's check in with, Mr. Amiru, and, then we'll go to Ronnie.↗

3:17:19Speaker 26Thanks, Ian. great panel, and I love to see Dr. Rector Wald.↗

3:17:28Speaker 26And, I can't think of a better person to, kind of spearhead this whole ASAP thing than you and the movement that I know of. and I'm, I was there in the first space you hosted when you were kind of starting it, and, you're at fifty-three plus thousand followers on that account, and that's a really good start. So I'm wondering,↗

3:17:50Speaker 26how do you feel about where you are now with ASAP and what do you see happening in the future?↗

3:17:56Speaker 17Hey, thanks so much for the, kudos and, we appreciate the support, man. so I think the, you know, we're, you know, we lost, you know, Thomas Massie, we lost Marjorie Taylor Greene. I mean, these weren't as a pack candidates per se, but this is, this is the representation of anti-Zionism we had in office, and, we're, we're, we're lo- we're losing ground, as it were. And- That's not Asapac's fault, but that's what we-- that's the battle we're in, and that's the situation we're in. It's, w-we've, we've got a long way to go. We're gonna ho-hopefully pull out a seat or two in this midterm election, and, and then, you know, get ready for the next round, because, this is, it's gonna take, you know, quite a long time. It's not-- certainly one or two election cycles isn't going to reverse These decades and decades of subversion and control over our government and, the infiltration of, and then you have the whole deep state that's, you know, completely just effec- effectively, quote unquote, Israel, as it were.↗

3:19:09Speaker 17I put it like that. People that know me know why I say Israel in quotes. And, so. Anyway, thanks so much. But I think, one of the things is that personally I'll be undergoing some medical treatment, which Lori will talk about, probably tomorrow, in a post. But, I'll still be active, and, it's, it's not gonna be the little one either, it's a big one, so, but I'll survive and I'll be back at it very soon.↗

3:19:43Speaker 26Well, I wish you luck, and I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope that goes as planned. and thank you for your response. I would say fifty-thousand, fifty-three thousand is a good number. It was, it, it,↗

3:19:55Speaker 19it actually was at fifty-four something, and then I noticed like on a Sunday, X purges a bunch of accounts. I noticed it because I've delved into sometimes I lose a few, and then I look and I see it'll s-- on some program audience, it'll say recent unfollows you look, and they're all like, "This account doesn't exist." So it's not like people just unfollow. I think X does, I don't know what they're looking for, people to identify themselves with a phone number, email, or whatever. Whatever, but it, it was at fifty four something, and then it went down a little bit, but not that I'm picking on you or something, I'm happy with fifty three, but I'm just saying.↗

3:20:32Speaker 26No, you're right, it's fifty three point nine. Yeah, they're always, they're↗

3:20:35Speaker 19always pulling little things on X anyway, which is something that grates on me. And by the way, I think they retained all those old algorithms of, blockings, tombstone algorithms and so forth. I don't think he ever got rid of those, absolutely, You know, it's just, it is what it is. It's just very disappointing, but it is what it is. On X, one of the↗

3:21:00@malleusigthings that, one of the things that I don't know if X does it, but a lot of Israeli or the IDF or whoever the fuck is doing this, one of the things they do is they flood you with followers that are just bots.↗

3:21:09Speaker 19Oh, right.↗

3:21:10@malleusigAnd, and then what they can do is they can manipulate how the algorithm, how Twitter, rates your account by mass following or mass unfollowing you at opportune times. When↗

3:21:25@malleusigsupposedly linked to, some family member of Netanyahu. And while I was debating her on Gaza, I literally got sixteen thousand friend requests, or what do they call it here, follower requests, all from these like, Tits and Bio type of accounts and luckily I was able to lock down my account, protect it, and the majority of them didn't connect, and I had to go through and delete them.↗

3:21:53@malleusigbut, they will do that. They will flood you with, flood you with accounts that are fake, and then either those accounts will act in a way that is obviously fake so that your rating goes down, or they'll manipulate the follow, unfollow to make it look like you're just losing massive amounts of followers organically via something you said or something that's objectional about your account, and then you get, you get downranked 'cause of that as well.↗

3:22:22Speaker 19Right. And one other thing is, if you-- if there's one other thing I've learned is if there's accounts that have not posted in a long time, and you follow them, you know, you just do, and they haven't posted in six months, that, that also hurts. There's so many little, little, ins So those, the creators, I'm not one of them, if you're paid, you know, that you really can't pin down their formula. You know, you really can't do it. And like you're saying about some of these algos, yeah, I love some of these algos. That are just these people that look like, you know, they could be movie stars, whatever, and then you look at their actual pictures and doesn't exist. That's off the beaten path, but anyway, I just wanted to add that. But, but, and, and↗

3:23:04Ian MalcolmLori, real, real quick on that, and Dr. Eckner, excited, not sure if, if, if you might be able to join this one, but tomorrow, speaking of this, we're actually doing a, a whole space on the X algorithm. it's gonna be And, two individuals, Jin Jung is one of them, as well as John Dickenson, and I put that up into the nest. and we were also, I was, I was talking with, the one Parsivall, who's actually the individual who originally broke- He's a genius. Yeah, he, he originally broke the, the X algorithm, it was the one that-- And it was so wild because his work was then basically pirated and stolen and repurposed by a whole bunch of people that got paid a whole bunch of money as if But he was the one that was doing it, and, he's kind of taking a step back from spaces, but, but, but I've been in the back channels with him, he's kind of shared some information, and, so some of these experts are gonna be walking through that code tomorrow, and as part of it, Gen X girl, who was also doing some of the, background work in terms of where all the algorithmic control is, is originating, so, so the four of them are all gonna be in that panel tomorrow, should↗

3:24:23Ian MalcolmFigure out how to help people expand their reach, expand these messages so that we can, you know, kind of get around the trapdoors that, Elon and Nikita Bear, who I, it would be wonderful if he showed up, but I, I don't think that's gonna happen.↗

3:24:37Speaker 19The one parcels, the one parcels also very nice, I've known him from like a long time on X, just a very, very nice individual. So I just wanna say, he's the one that, talked about the tombstone algo. He's the one, you know how I said that↗

3:24:53Speaker 19Very, very, very helpful individual.↗

3:24:58Speaker 26Oh, and Ian, if I can add one more thing about Christian Zionism, why it bothers me so much is because, and pardon me for the language, but I feel like it's like they piss in people's brains and teach them just a nonsensical- Belief system, which, you know, a belief system is one of the most valuable things you have as a person, and is responsible for whether you're a slave or you're autonomous, you know, in control of yourself essentially. And they have these silly, ridiculous ideas and, and they're, in a way, accepting racism too, degrading themselves and putting these people above them, when they're the most, you know, morally reprehensible people I've ever seen.↗

3:25:36Speaker 26so it's very problematic, it's very disturbing, but you know, I think it's, that's kind of like the degener- the disease that they spread on the right, on the left, I think that's the trans stuff primarily, and I even see LGBT people saying they don't want the tea anymore. It's that toxic, 'cause it's also Jewish, or, let's say, now it's Jewish. so,↗

3:25:59Speaker 26It's just a unfortunate thing, but we have to, humanize these people, I think, including the trans people, which are in many ways victims, the ones that fell for it. but yeah, they've-- on both sides, they've, they've tainted these people. But one thing I also wanted to add, 'cause since you guys were talking about genetics, you know, it's one thing to, to, for something to be genetic, but it's another thing for it to be cultural, 'cause that's very powerful in reinforcing something that maybe gets encoded into genetics later↗

3:26:28Speaker 26About language, no person, if you grows up without, or knowing all the alphabet, for example, you have to teach them the alphabet. If you don't teach them language, if you don't socialize them, they're basically gonna be like a caveman or something. So people are very much like an augmented thing, or you have to add the language software, the socialization software, et cetera. And if you do that, that will have such a powerful effect that it might lead to epigenetic changes. And I, I fear that more than any kind↗

3:26:58Speaker 26And the history. The cultural stuff, we know for a fact, if language, which is like basic human functioning, is required for it, has to be taught every year. It shows you that there are certain things that are delegated, sorry, every generation. It shows you that there are certain things delegated to the next generation. We must teach our kids language. And what do they do with that category of "We must teach our generation this"? They teach them the most evil, immoral religion in the world.↗

3:27:27Speaker 26so they're programming them to subvert people, to steal from people, lie to people, be immoral. They codified it into a religion. That's more powerful. We already know that there's proof for that, that's language and education, that's proof how important it is to teach the new generation something, otherwise they will be essentially animals or primitive. So what have they done with that, with, that role of theirs? They've- Systematically made a whole race essentially behave in a very immoral way that's unacceptable, that makes it hard for even a leftist like me to know how to deal with it, because usually it's just turn your brain off and just say, don't think about race and don't, you know, and just treat people like individuals, even if there's stereotypes. But with them, you don't get to do that, and that's their fault, that's something they've imposed on us. We have to now figure it out, and I think in figuring it out in a humane way will kind of solve a very↗

3:28:25Speaker 26so there's a silver lining here, but it's certainly like a very unfortunate situation we find ourselves in that's really questioning the core of our morality. And no wonder what happened in Germany happened. You would think it's a one-off thing but the cultural aspect is why I think it's not a one-off thing. It's like saying, humans speaking a language is a one-off thing. Nope, they're gonna n- consistently teach it every generation. They have considered it fundamental for their survival and reproduction. Nothing drives animals more than this. Even the evolutionary guy you had, Ian, who I went back and forth with, and he was wonderful. He was talking about how,↗

3:29:00Speaker 26because religions, allow for breeding and, and sexual, like, successful sexual reproduction, that en-enough is Is gonna keep it there. And that, what have they done with that? They've done, they've, they've had Judaism essentially be their, you know, success story for reproduction, which is like, how embedded is it? That I, I think, that I lose sleep over that, because depending on how embedded it is, it might require different solutions. If it's just a cultural thing and we just cut it, w- once and for all, and it just stops, that would be the best case scenario, and that's what I hope for, honestly.↗

3:29:36Ian MalcolmWell, that's the thing, and, and it's actually, it's curious, I think this goes back to what David talks about, often this idea that everybody has a spark, and, and divinity within them, right? because if, to your point, if it is so genetically baked in that once it's in the cake you can't remove it, right? If it's, if it's cyanide and it's somewhere, somewhere in the cake, I don't know where, but it's a little bit of it and it's somewhere in there, well, I think that that's not the case, and, we certainly do see some Jewish individuals that come around that obviously recognize the supremacy, that speak out against it, and, and so I, I never will take that all anything is everything, right? but, but nonetheless, it, it, there is a predisposition, it seems, that is baked into this thing, but, but certainly not gonna try and exclude anyone or everyone, on the basis of that, unless we first try out other options and alternatives, to something a little bit more More extreme, but, let's go down to, well, I,↗

3:30:38Speaker 20let me, may I just follow up on Emma, with Emma Ru for a second? Emma Ru, I liked what you had to say, and, you know, civilization broadly, its function or one of its main responsibilities is to transmit the culture. So you're right, and that's why the next generation doesn't live in caves, right? So this is an evolutionary thing, and I, I guess that's what you were getting at. But you know, if we have a group of people whose main function, whose main modus operandi is to undermine that civilization, then obviously if you're going to undermine something, you're gonna operate by deceit, you're gonna operate by, falsity. And if you're going to do that, then the mind itself of the people in that civilization is your enemy. In other words, the higher functioning-↗

3:31:27Speaker 20and the more strength that the individual minds have to sniff out your bullshit and to see through it, the worse off you are. So isn't what we're talking about a war against the human mind itself? You know, you-- If I were going to try to undermine a civilization, I would want to get control of children. I would want to lower their confidence. And the way, and you know, lower their confidence means lowering self-esteem, which I refer to as the reflexive muscle that binds us to earth. we-- that we, the spiritual muscle that binds us to earth, and self-esteem is really, the ref-reflexive inventory of our mind, how well it works. How do-- how are we doing? You're always self-assessing without knowing it, it's intuitive. How am I functioning in life? How am I doing? And so don't you think that sort of the big ruse here, that all the things, Creating pornography, whether it be creating confusion, qu-- giving people the feeling that they don't have the capacity to interact and control and have dominion over their body and their minds and reality, isn't that kind of what we're up against? Is a war against the mind, and therefore all of these things are sort of,↗

3:32:40Speaker 20a, a way to confuse and deracinate confidence within a civilization? What do you think about that?↗

3:32:48Speaker 26When you say a war with our minds,↗

3:32:56Speaker 20they, they are waging war on our minds, you mean, right? Yeah.↗

3:33:16Speaker 20You keep plucking the hairs from beards until you, till you can decide it's no longer a beard, or you keep re-examining a word until you, I call this the abyss of no meaning, until you convince people that the word has no meaning. Well, who would want to do these things? I say the person who wants more for themselves and less for you, the person who wants you to be weak and them to be strong. So I, I, I, I was thinking about what you were saying about About culture and then what civilization is, because that's part of the stuff that I work on. And then I'm thinking, really, this is just all a war on the mind itself. And for us, and this kind of-- I didn't mean to go back to the Matrix, but we're sort of like setting the mind free, realizing, no, you do have dominion over your consciousness. You are right. You can discern between right and wrong. You can discern between the just over the unjust. So I just, I think that's where the battle lines are drawn. What do you think of↗

3:34:13Speaker 26True. And you know what disturbs me, David, and everyone in the room, what really disturbs me is,↗

3:34:25Speaker 26like, I can't, if I was to describe it honestly, I would say it's parasitic, and I hate that because, that has a very specific meaning. Like, if I, I can't imagine something that can be considered a societal parasite more than this. I think this is where, where as a leftist, I don't agree with con-most things conservatives,↗

3:34:47Speaker 26think about, but I do know why they're there, and this fear of the, the invader is such a basic and, and necessary drive And, while they're worried about Somalis, stop worrying about the Somalis, bro. You got a way bigger invader here. You're just like, you got-- And, and I can't think of anything that fits the bill, right? Societal parasite. And they gotta stop quick. And you just gotta hope that when they're-- if they stop transmitting the culture, 'cause it's, it's designated as a crime against humanity to have such an evil religion. And it should be, of course it should be. You can't rape kids, period, bro. You die, fuck your religion. You know, if they could make it a book club and get the protections that religions have, it would be a Jewish book club. It's about Having a medium for their evil, it's not about religion. They're using it as a protection,↗

3:35:38Speaker 26to protect their, their crime essentially. It's like, I don't care if your religion protects crime, you can't commit crimes and, and say that's your religion. so we stop transmitting the, the culture slash religion, and after that, does the behavior stop?↗

3:35:52Speaker 20Well,↗

3:35:52Speaker 26you know, is it cultural? But they wouldn't want-- But↗

3:35:55Speaker 20they don't want us to stop. It's almost impossible to stop the transmission of culture. We're not going to go back to living in caves, but they don't want that. They want to bake in to the transmission of culture their supremacy. They want to bake in to the transmission of culture. It's almost worse than just trying to stop the transmission of culture. For instance, trying to convince our daughters to be whores and our sons to be daughters, I mean, that's a real perversion, which is why I↗

3:36:22Speaker 20Environment, their dedicated artisans. And you know, it was to your point about being a leftist, you know, this is proof positive that this isn't, doesn't fall within the left-right dichotomy, because Epicurus, when he foun- when he founded sort of communalism, his communities were extremely collectivist, and yet they were kind to each other, they were predicated upon three principles, that you should have time for reflection, that you should have self-sufficiency, where you all work together and have enough to, to eat and housing, and that you should be surrounded by friends. In other words, human solidarity, solicitude, but this group of people doesn't want any of these things. They come into your society and they coalesce the malcontents, they found, for instance, the UN, double ACP, they found this other group, and they gin up the hatred between all of you because they, they're so outnumbered, they need to divide and divide and divide until we're just this giant checkerboard of civilization, and we feel very disconnected from each other, and then who are we supposed to look to to adjudicate? Between all the rest of us. Who is the winner in the room? You know, who wins in this situation where someone comes along and divides everyone and then says, "Now you have to turn to me and we'll help you all work together because you've all learned that men should hate women, that black should hate white, that rich should hate poor, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. Who is the emissary of hate? Well, you didn't have that in the Epicurean communities. You don't even have that in sort of enlightened, somewhat capitalistic communities. You have that where one group of people without group psychopathy come in and foist all this hatred on everyone else. Isn't that so?↗

3:38:02Speaker 20A hundred↗

3:38:02Speaker 26percent. And if they were good Americans, they would have assimilated into this culture. Like they, they claim to be patriotic and to care about America, but they don't assimilate. And thus, even though they have first world behaviors, they have a third world morality, if not more primitive than that. so if they only assimilated like they claim to have, then there wouldn't be their culture transmitting anyway. But they wanna be a culture within a culture, thus inherently a parasite↗

3:38:29Speaker 26you know, especially the way that they conduct themselves. So, and they, and they poison the well in every sense of the word. When I get-- When I listen to the news, I'm looking for objective information. Please don't give me misinformation and poison the well and, and de-contaminate everything. Psychology is contaminated. Trans has no evidence whatsoever. I've thought about it, researched it. The best argument they have against it is retarded. So it's not-- It's, they're contaminating medicine With, the OxyContin incident. So like, just leave us alone. Just get out of here. You know, just get out of here. And that's why even when you were telling that guy, like, I think it was Mike, like, just get out. You know, it sounds as if you're telling a black guy just to get out, 'cause you don't like how they look or something, as if that's what they act-- and they act as if they're victims of such, such a thing. It's like, no, no, you're contaminating our↗

3:39:30@malleusigI just wanted to add very quickly, the more you look into this, and I'm going down this rabbit hole now, you actually find out with a lot of these researchers that look into ancient Jewish history, you find that a lot of their own culture, their own scripture, comes from questionable origins. Things like the books of Moses being found in a temple wall, thousands years after Moses is supposed to have lived, and conveniently framing, you know, the destiny of the Jewish people to what's happening with them, with Persia right now,↗

3:40:04@malleusigwhat it begins to look like more and more is you found a, a group of people that learned much earlier on, I say it learned at all because none of us learned this, but they learned the trick. Of subverting their own culture first, right? So they go in, they've, they've had this trick under their belt for like the past three thousand years, where they come in and they rewrite their own books to suit, the political expediencies of the time. And once you've had a couple thousand years of doing that Going in and figuring how to rewrite someone else's books is, is child's play. It's much easier, right? Because those people, once you can attack the top of the hierarchy and you can take control of the means of disseminating information, those people are much easier to control than↗

3:40:55@malleusigfooling your own people who know all your tricks basically. And so What it looks like is we're dealing with a culture that is, in many ways, completely self-produced. It's not a culture that happened organically. It's a culture that was deliberately architected by the members of the culture themselves, and it was done so in accordance with what really looks like a genetic tendency towards psychopathy. and so now we're in completely new cultural area. We, we're, we're not just talking about the influence of culture or the influence IQ or the influence of genetics on culture. We're dealing with a situation where a people that is uniquely predisposed towards hating people that aren't them has allowed itself to create a culture around those values, around that genetic predisposition towards hatred.↗

3:41:50@malleusigand that really, when you, when you look at that, it really changes how you look at all of this. It makes it much more dangerous, much more insidious, and much more menacing than something, something just happening kind of organically and accidentally.↗

3:42:13Ian MalcolmNo, well stated there, Rabbi. Let's go to Honey Badger. Oh, actually, Honey Badger, let's go to Ronnie first, 'cause I think he's had his hand up a while. Then we'll go to Andy, and then to Honey Badger, for some, some thoughts, and then we will go to David and Michael, to, to close out the space.↗

3:42:32Speaker 18Hey, thank you, Ian. so, before I start, if- You guys aren't sharing the space, make sure everybody shares the space. I'm gonna talk about this more. I know you're gonna do this whole algorithm thing, but I'm gonna touch on that. So, make every- make sure everybody's sharing the space. I love that we aren't talking about the false flag that just happened.↗

3:43:00Speaker 18that's amazing, because, Ian, I don't know if I shared it with you, we weren't in space yesterday, so- I was sharing it online, but, the dude who they claim shot at the White House, he was already- The↗

3:43:16Speaker 17dude who↗

3:43:16Speaker 18shot at the White House? Huh. Yeah, well, no, he was already known to, the Secret Service back in twenty twenty-five. So, Ian followed me, dude, because,↗

3:43:27Speaker 18I sh- I shared it with Sam. But anyway, so-↗

3:43:30Speaker 20I did post out that the White House is flying their false flag at half mast.↗

3:43:35Speaker 18Oh, absolutely, dude. It's so crazy. So I, I love the energy. There's a lot to unpack here, so I wanted to start with, when look at the Bible and everything like that, we have to remember that, Rupert Murdoch owned the printing company that printed our Bibles. And if you, if you take the Talmud out of the Bible, all you are left with is Jesus and the apostles, the, the things that the Jews don't believe in. So,↗

3:44:13Speaker 18not only that, you can go back in history, and here's where it gets messed up, because in Poland Netanyahu or Nathan Malskowalski, his grandfather was a traveling Zionist back in the 1900s in Poland, and within a hundred and fifty mile radius, you had the Epstein's, you had the Altman, you had the Larry Page And all of these people migrated, Mausschulwoski went to Palestine, and then the rest of them came here, and then now all of a sudden, you guys can see the connections. I mean, all of them are right there. So,↗

3:45:03Speaker 18I also wanted to touch on the algorithms. this is the best way I have a five-step process. I'm, I'm gonna break it down with you. I made a post about it. So, number one, everybody needs to make sure that you have a profile picture, you have like one of those background photos, you have a, a, a bio. You know, you have to be a real person.↗

3:45:30Speaker 18follow the people that you want to platform. And hopefully they will follow you back, hint, Ian, and David too. but hopefully they'll follow you back. And, you know, number three, like, comment, quote posts. Do not ever repost. Don't ever repost. Why? Because that just-- that's what bots do. That's all they ever do. I mean, you can always go and see↗

3:46:02Speaker 18the blue screen background that might have the profile picture, but all they ever do is repost, and then, you know, that's, that's how the algorit-algorithms work. you can also make original content, even if you're basing it off of somebody else's content When you quote post, that is considered original content, and when you make a video about something, everybody needs to start doing that. Everybody needs to follow everybody. If you are trying to change the algorithm, we have to amplify each other because the last step, number five, is repeat. That is the process to break the algorithm. When you're talking about Grok, I, I made a video on this and stuff,↗

3:46:55Speaker 18if you're talking about Grok even, he has Elon Musk, but look at Elon Musk and all of his, you know, investors, and then look at all of them that invest into APEC, because that's what's wild. And then you have to look at Thomas Massey. If we wanna win, we have to win the information war. We have to be the group that never gets a community note that packs together and everybody brings their knowledge and nobody's excluded. So, you know, that's all I had to say on all this. This is a great group, and like I said,↗

3:47:40Speaker 18if, if you're not sharing, that's The worst thing that you're doing right now, you know, you share the space, make sure everybody's promoting each other.↗

3:47:55Ian MalcolmVery reasonable take, and, it is worthwhile certainly engage, engage often, engage where you can, and also share content, with those that are like-minded, even if they're not on this app, right? take screenshots and to your, your friends, your family, your community, talk about these things locally. I know David was mentioning that he was doing that. and it, it's something where, you know, maybe, maybe don't go as, full court press as we would in these spaces, but, But certainly bring these topics up where you can, with whom you can, and try and make sure that you're making a difference in your local market, right? so very well stated there. Let's, let's continue right along, with Captain Surf and Turf, and then I think we'll go back up to, Honey Badger, and then like I said, we'll go to David and Michael.↗

3:48:41Speaker 21Hey, I'll make this real brief because obviously the, the other gentleman, or the The opposition has left the room, but, I, I, I do think you should organize and hold a space, and obviously you got the space recorded here, take notes. I'd like to hear and find out what this book was that he stated, you know, he claimed his facts to be from, and so forth. I just wanted, yeah, that's really what I wanted to pump out though. It would be interesting to get him back in his space and hold his feet to the fire. I, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna↗

3:49:11Speaker 20wait till the movie comes out.↗

3:49:14Ian MalcolmThank↗

3:49:17Ian MalcolmBrought to you by Skydance Pictures, starring none other than David Ellison.↗

3:49:24Speaker 20And they were really bad people then.↗

3:49:30Speaker 20And this is from Madagascar, obviously.↗

3:49:36Ian MalcolmNow let's go to, let's go to Honey Badger, then we'll go to David and, and Michael to wrap it up.↗

3:49:41Speaker 29Thank you, thank you, Ian. So this was more in the vein, I think, like the moments kinda lost a little bit, but when IQ was talking to David, and I just, actually, I have a question for IQ, and, you know, I mean, this isn't, this isn't by no means a gotcha or anything, this is genuinely asked because I find when you speak, I pretty much agree with everything that you say.↗

3:50:08Speaker 29You know, I, I don't really think I've heard you s- I mean, perhaps you've said things I don't agree with, I just, I can't remember. So, but moving forward, but you also describe yourself as a leftist, I think. I don't mean to put words into your mouth, but I, I'd like to, I'd like to, I'm just curious, what makes you think you're a leftist? I don't know how else to put it, because, like, so for myself, I think that, you know, if we took the political test, well, actually I did, like, landed me in the middle, like almost like directly in the middle. But, but like, you know, I'm, I, you know, I guess I'm, like conser- like conservative in terms, like, social, socially conservative and fisc↗

3:50:55Speaker 29But, you know, things like social justice and, you know, when I say social justice, I mean caring for the poor and the sick and the old people and our veterans and stuff, you know, that, that should be top of mind, I think, to the whole-- and central to, the morality of our, you know, of our country, taking care of children, you know, and that sort of thing, but, I'm just curious. Wait, before he↗

3:51:21Speaker 20answers, When you call yourself a conservative, what are you trying to conserve? I mean, isn't it gone? Shouldn't you call yourself a retrievative?↗

3:51:30Speaker 29A retrievative? Yeah.↗

3:51:32Speaker 20I mean, yeah. I↗

3:51:33Speaker 29agree. Okay, I'm↗

3:51:35Speaker 24sorry, go ahead, Emily.↗

3:51:37Speaker 29No, but it's true, so, you know, It's, but yeah, so, but, so, I, I can-- I'm just curious in, in respect, what do you consider to be a leftist, and how does it differ-- how is it different from anything I just described?↗

3:51:57Speaker 26that's a good question. Honestly, my values are changing in real time as I deal with this, especially with all the racial talk. But when I think about a leftist, I think about someone who's progressive. Who is adaptive, who is willing to, improve society, over time, more scientific, more secular, kind of like a new generation of humans I mean, this is what it's becoming. A new generation of humans that aren't religious, so therefore they're grounded in something else and think in a different way that's maybe more objective. That's what I would say. Like, it's like an emergent thing. It's like the non-religious version of people. That's what I'm-- what I see it to be. Like, a true progressive, but at the same time, I do believe in God in an agnostic way, so it's not like religion deprives you from Being a leftist or anything like that, but those who are very reasonable about religion or objective, you would say you can be progressive.↗

3:52:52Speaker 29Like you would agree with me when I say, like, it doesn't deprive you from being objective either. You can be religious and be objective.↗

3:52:57Speaker 26Absolutely not, yeah. Well, one of my favorite writers is, M. Scott Peck. He wrote the book The Road Less Traveled. He's brilliant, and he was Christian, and it didn't take away anything from how he thinks. And plus, who knows what's going on? So you can be↗

3:53:16Speaker 26Can't really↗

3:53:17@malleusigprove it.↗

3:53:18Speaker 26There's a lot of faith involved, so, and some people are more reasonable about that than others, but it doesn't dismiss people, and I know why religion exists, and it's a whole discussion, but yeah, no, of course not. You↗

3:53:30Speaker 20know, we might, Honey Badger, have another space, Ian's time permitting, on is the left dichotomy real and what does it mean? I think that-↗

3:53:40Speaker 29Yeah, that, that's, that's kind of what I'm driving at.↗

3:53:43Speaker 26That's↗

3:53:44Speaker 29totally fake. I see,↗

3:53:45Speaker 26well In that case, I would say there's two different brain types, one that is more trying to stay the same and one that's trying to adapt, and I think we need both.↗

3:53:56Speaker 20Yeah. And then there's a third element which is statism, you know, and how that comes into play. But anyway, I do think as a futurist that the future, the possibilities of the future are beyond what a lot of people might imagine. So I would like to participate in that discussion, and in Emir, I think you conduct yourself very well. Especially for a little bit of a different take or a dissenting voice, so I would be happy to be part of that.↗

3:54:23Speaker 29I think I, I conduct myself pretty good. No, we wouldn't allow you at all.↗

3:54:27Speaker 20You wouldn't. For,↗

3:54:28Speaker 29for a girl, though. We↗

3:54:29Speaker 20would banish. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, you have that problem. Yeah, it's a double, a double read, baby.↗

3:54:33Speaker 29Great, huh?↗

3:54:35Speaker 20No, absolutely, my friend. You know, I do think that there is such a thing. It's funny, Ian, these people, these You know? And you can just see their dander up, and, and I always tell people, you know, there is such a thing as a good temperament for reasoning, and you can't really transcend an idea if you are a yelping, barking lunatic. Well, that's kind of the discussion I was having, Ian, with, Amaru, which is, these people don't want, you know, the people we're up against, rationality and reason and thoughtful discussion are their enemies, because, oh my gosh, you know, we- You know, the dangerous thing could happen there where we arrive at the right decision or conclusion, which is why I keep saying no one wants to ban the flat Earth society. The people who want to stop us from talking, derail us, censor us, are always afraid not of falsity but truth. What do you think about that?↗

3:55:35Speaker 29I think you're talking to me, and I would 100% agree, unless you're talking to Ian. That's, it's like nobody, nobody argues the existence of the Easter Bunny, for example, or Santa Claus.↗

3:55:43Speaker 20Right, 'cause he's sitting right here with me, absolutely.↗

3:55:46Speaker 29Precisely.↗

3:55:47Speaker 20Yeah, but no, that's true, right? So it's no, not the palpable falsity, but- The frightful truth. And of course, truth to who? To power, to people that are in control, that want more, more for them and less for you, the people who want to undermine you, extract your wealth, reduce you to servitude. Those people have no interest in truth. You know, the idea that, you know, he was, he was convinced without reason and seldom dissuaded with it, and reason doesn't count for these people, obviously. So that's, but yeah, Emiru, if your time permitting, we'll have the discussion sometime in the future↗

3:56:21Speaker 19Hey Ian, before you toss to Michael for closing comments, I just wanna- Wait, I've been up↗

3:56:25Speaker 15for a while, can I have a comment?↗

3:56:25Speaker 19I'm,↗

3:56:27Speaker 15I'm sorry.↗

3:56:28Ian MalcolmWell, yeah, and, and Andy, let, Lori finish her, her thought there, and then, we'll go to you. I apologize, Andy. I'm↗

3:56:34Speaker 19sure. Oh, okay, 'cause I thought you were saying Dave then Michael was wrapping, but that's okay. I just wanna thank you so much, Ian, for this incredible space in Michael's history, and it's just so amazing. I learned a lot, and I just had such a good time in here. Thanks for letting me be on your panel and share my thoughts. I just wanna get that out, and I guess Andy's gonna pop in then, Michael.↗

3:56:57Speaker 15Yeah, I mean, with this whole right versus left thing, you already see what MAG is trying to do. They're prosecuting, I guess, Hassan Piker for going to Cuba. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of him. He believes in open borders and a lot of radical things and this complete, like, "Eat the rich" stuff, and it's like that's not the right way to go about taking down the system, in my opinion. I think there's better ways to go about it than going, trying to push for, like, a communist system. But I Cheering on prosecuting him is flawed because what I think the government really fears more than him is the right wing America First coalition taking power. So I think they're just trying to create the permission structure to go after people like us. They're trying to get the consent of people on the far right to prosecute Hassan Piker, and then they're gonna turn it around and go at us and say, "Oh, Nick Fuentes, he's an enemy of the state. Andy, he's an enemy of the state. Michael, he's an enemy of the state. David, he's an enemy of the state He's an enemy of the state. They're all traitors. They're working for Iran or Qatar or whatever they'll make up, and then they'll just use that and throw us in the gulags. And let's be honest, we all know Hassan Taikar's not going to jail. This is all fake distraction, kabuki theater, as David loves to say. And what's gonna happen is, since he's the victim of prosecution, he's just gonna get millions more dollars in donations from his fans, and he's just gonna get wealthier off of all this whole charade. And then going back to Christian Zionism, like, yeah, I mean, like, I'd say the worst, the best example of that is Ted Cruz, because he literally pretends to be this devout Christian, and then he says "Christ is king," is offensive because these weird people online use it, and I assume he's referring to the people like Candace and Nick, who he views as rabid Jew haters in his mind, wh-which, I mean, yeah, he's like, yeah, Ted Cruz So off the rocker, he called Kent Yager a Jew hater for saying Israel controls the Republican Party. So, yeah, these people literally- Hey,↗

3:59:03Speaker 17excuse me guys, I gotta jump because, it's getting pretty late here and I'm pretty tired, so I just wanted to thank everybody for, for coming and, I appreciate all the, all the support. Asapac appreciates your support and we'll see you around the corner. Thanks so much. And, and Michael, really quickly, how can people, Thank you, Michael. It's great↗

3:59:24Speaker 17Michael, and how can anybody support,↗

3:59:27Ian MalcolmMichael, how can they support the cause before you, you hop off, if, if you got a second?↗

3:59:31Speaker 19Azapac dot com, A Z A hyphen P A C dot com, and you can donate there. And also, please, follow and like and share on the handle, which is at antizionpac dot com.↗

3:59:47@yosefcohnisraelNo,↗

3:59:49Speaker 19not that. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry too. At antizionam pack. That's all. Not dot com. Sorry about that.↗

3:59:57Speaker 19Particularly↗

4:00:00Ian MalcolmWell, let's, let's go, Andy, an-anything else you wanna↗

4:00:04Speaker 30say before we go to David? Yeah, just going back to the whole, like- Prosecution thing, it's like they're trying to say, "Oh, like Hasan Piker stayed in on sanctioned hotels." Like, okay, by that logic, shouldn't Nick Schierle be in jail, like he went to Cuba as well? And it's just this whole thing is all fake and it's to build this distraction and I think create some fear on the far right 'cause then now that Nick Fuentes is saying, "Oh, Hasan Piker should be in prison," then you have other people saying, "Oh my God, Nick and Laura Loomer said the same thing. If↗

4:00:40Speaker 30Same side, so it just seems like this whole thing is creating this unnecessary division and taking the tension away from where the real issue is that our government is controlled by Zionists and Jewish supremacy. But instead of focusing on that, we're debating whether Hassan Piker should be in jail, and we're not debating the real issues like gas prices,↗

4:01:03Speaker 30Why we're going to war for the Jews in the Greater Israel project, and it's just, this seems like a perfectly played distraction by the Trump administration that I couldn't have drummed up anything better myself. That's what this feels like to me. Like, I mean, you don't have to like Hassan Pike, or I don't, but you don't also don't have to play the game of that, because again, first it might be him in the gulag, and then next it's gonna be us.↗

4:01:30Speaker 31Nick is peddling Epstein gear. I mean, let's not put him in this conversation because he's a beta male.↗

4:01:43Speaker 30Technically, it's not an Epstein shirt, he changed the logo, there's an actual site that sells the exact replica, but, I mean, if you wanna have the debate, we can do that another time.↗

4:01:54Speaker 32But no debate that he's a beta↗

4:01:56Speaker 30male. Why? Because he's skin- Why? Because he's only 126 pounds and he lost some weight?↗

4:02:03Speaker 32No, he's just beta.↗

4:02:05Speaker 33How so? Why?↗

4:02:07Speaker 32Why is he beta? Mm-hm. He's a beta because he's a weak man. He doesn't stand on principles. The guy has zero to maybe 10% principles. That would be my argument. It's pretty clear.↗

4:02:26Speaker 30Out of all the big influencers, we call it the triumvirate, him, Candace, Tucker, those are like the big three on the right. He's the only one that's firmly committed to not supporting Vance and Rubio. Like, obviously, I'm not gonna say, "Oh, Candace is evil and secretly working for Vance," but Nick has taken that firm stance from the beginning, like, "Hey, we can't support this Vance guy. He's in bed with Peter Thiel." Like, Nick was like the one influencer that saw through Trump before most of us, like, he Everyone, how dare they were, they're first is saying Nick was a Fed working for the Democrats to undermine Trump, how dare Nick say these crazy things like the US is gonna go to war with Iran if Trump wins or there's gonna be no mass porta-deportations. He's a Democrat plant and then somehow now he goes from a Democrat Fed to being a Fed working for the Jews, like I don't even get how the narrative shifts. It's like absolutely crazy, like they just can't pin it down, they just come up with some new false allegation against Nick. He's not, that clearly isn't a Democrat, Fred. So like, he just nailed Trump correctly, and the Fed allegations started with MAGA attacking him for not supporting Trump. Let's not kid ourselves.↗

4:03:43Ian MalcolmWell, really quickly, before we go back up to, and, and, just for what it's worth, some, some comments made there about Puentez, I think the guy adds, certainly some value. He's helped in the awakening. Some critiques that I could make on, many things, the Epstein jacket being one of them, but I still to this day, and, and I remember this happening 'cause I was in Suleiman's room, when this was the case, of the Charlie Kirk shooting. And I said, I think it's very reasonable to presume that perhaps Israel had a hand in this, because they seem to have hands in all kinds of things. And, and that was,↗

4:04:22Ian Malcolmthat was taboo amongst the Fuentes fans, and I, I thought that was really bizarre. And I don't know if he's changed his stance 'cause I don't watch his show, but, at, at that point in time, I thought it was a silly statement to make. So, I've, I've got little things here and there. Not gonna comment too much↗

4:04:42Ian MalcolmBut I'll leave that for the, the listeners and, and for Sir Esquinart, he's welcome to, to unpack all of those, those feline, aspects. But,↗

4:04:53Speaker 34I'm just having to say, Nick, Nick Fuentes is a fucking twink. I'm sorry, I'm saying it. Sorry, Nick. Go ahead, Nick.↗

4:04:59Ian MalcolmSo I, I see we got Doc Holiday, who was in the request panel, and everybody else, we're, we're gonna wind this down, but I did see Doc, I wanted to He speaks it like it is, never holds any punches, so lots of love will go with the always strong-willed Doc Holliday, and then we'll go up to the lovely, David for a, a closing prayer for the space.↗

4:05:23@iqviajqNo, thank you very much, Ian. for letting me up. I hope the space has always been like, always a very informative and productive one. I'll go back and listen to it, I just didn't have time because over here in the penal colony known as Australia, it's just gone past, three PM on a Monday afternoon. So, Ian, I just came up to ask a question out of left field, a lighthearted question, maybe follows more what w- what you're saying. Speaking about in yesterday's space, but I'll put the question to David and the Honey Badger just to lighten up the, lighten up the space before you finish on a very strong note. if you, if you guys had to rate one, two, three in terms of quality of their voice and their singing performance, how would you order, put the order between Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, and Whitney Houston? I↗

4:06:14Speaker 35put↗

4:06:16Speaker 33Whitney first. Yeah, Whitney's first, and then Aretha, and then Donna Ross or, Donna. I would say↗

4:06:23Speaker 34Diana Ross first, but that's just me.↗

4:06:25Speaker 33No one asked you, Captain. Damn, low blow,↗

4:06:30Speaker 34low blow.↗

4:06:32@iqviajqWell, like, and with those answers, I mean, you know, would it be too much to ask, like, you know, to sort of finish the space on a very positive note, a couple of, a couple of lines from the honey badger? Oh, gosh.↗

4:06:46Ian MalcolmOh, we've got, we've got it. I have some lines from the Honey Badger, and this will be great because we can, we can get some, some singing tunes from the Honey Badger, and then real quick we'll check in with Michael Ferris for a totally different note, pun intended, and then we'll go back up to, to David for that prayer, and maybe he'll sing us a, oh, oh, holy night.↗

4:07:07@iqviajqThank you, Ian. Thank you. I'll go back and listen to the space, but always congratulations on all the spaces you hold, and always covering the topics that each and every gentile has to learn about even more and inform other gentiles to wake, wake us all up from the grave threat in all our countries, in all our nations, and to all our magnificent histories. Thank you, Ian. I'll return the mic, and I look forward to a riveting performance, honey badger. Thank you, Ian.↗

4:07:40Speaker 33You, okay, you want me to sing? Well, you know, actually, David has a beautiful voice. He just, he's really shy, and I don't wanna steal his thunder, 'cause he, he sings like an angel.↗

4:07:52Ian MalcolmI mean, he had Aretha Franklin. I, I think it'd be going out of, of David's octave, to try and...↗

4:08:00Speaker 35Let's leave it to Ian. But I do, I do really appreciate the R E S P E C T.↗

4:08:06Speaker 36I was gonna say, yeah, sing it, sing it, David. Take care, TCP. Come on, sing it, David.↗

4:08:12Speaker 35You're just obfuscating 'cause you don't wanna sing. I get it. Just say you're afraid. I thought the honey badger don't give a shit.↗

4:08:20Speaker 33I don't. Doc Holliday, who, who was,↗

4:08:24Ian Malcolmoh, I actually know the answer to this one. See if you can name that performer who did a, a wide number of, of covers of songs that I think, Aretha Franklin might have done, including, Ain't No Mountain High Enough. Who, who was the man with the rather soulful, soulful, soulful, wow, soulful, been, on the space too long, the soulful voice of this individual whose skin's melanin levels you might not anticipate 'cause he had a very soulful voice Can you guess who that might have been, Doc Holiday?↗

4:09:01@iqviajqNo, no, you've got me there.↗

4:09:04Ian MalcolmOh, I, somebody is putting a, a little- Elvis?↗

4:09:07Speaker 33You sound like Elvis. No, no,↗

4:09:09Ian Malcolmno. That, that would be a great attempt at the incorporeal Michael McDonald. Michael↗

4:09:17Speaker 36McDonald, I↗

4:09:18Ian Malcolmthink it. Who, if, if anybody's familiar with the 40-year-old virgin, wonderful Michael McDonald references in that movie. Oh, okay,↗

4:09:26@iqviajqokay. Yeah, yeah, okay. Wow. Give me the original and he can keep that rendition for himself.↗

4:09:36Ian MalcolmNo, it was quite wonderful. And wow, all these, individuals asking to, pop, David, ain't no mountain high enough, ain't no space long enough, seems to be the, the trending here. Get me away↗

4:09:48Speaker 36from you.↗

4:09:49Ian MalcolmBut, but so this is kind of curious. We had a couple individuals come in. I wanna give a big shout out to, to Mays who hopped in, and also, to Michael Ferris, and, wanna give a quick little plug. We're gonna try and set up a date probably for about two weeks out to do a space on some of the things he's been doing in the political world, but would love to say to, hi to him really quickly, and then, I see HT wanted to hop↗

4:10:17Ian Malcolmin. I, Some of the, the recent things he's been involved with, so we'll go there, and then we'll come back to, David, who will give us a prayer to, to send off the space with.↗

4:10:31Ian MalcolmSo Michael, to you.↗

4:10:33Speaker 37Well, hey, and thanks for, thanks for allowing me to have, a spot here for a moment. And of course, thanks for writing and discussing a way to get, you know, some discussion going on what's happening in the future here with us. of course, if anybody here who, who isn't, doesn't, isn't familiar with who you are, or who I am rather, just ran a US Senate race in Kentucky for over a year. obviously a political outsider, but,↗

4:11:00Speaker 37You know, it's kind of odd that, here after the election's over, we kind of was able to take off on some of our socials, we were conveniently kind of, you know, buried in this space for, you know, a while. And of course, we all know or are familiar with what happened with the Massey race, and then, of course, that they called the US Senate race with only two percent of the vote in, so it's kind of some funky stuff going on there.↗

4:11:26Speaker 37but yeah, we-- I think what happened here Is we had kind of toyed with the idea that we'd run as an independent in Kentucky four to kind of stop Ed Galloway, and, that post has, it took off really well, and I think that's got us a lot of the traction that you, you know, see that we've picked up here in the last couple days. But it's kind of funny, you know, you've-- I've traveled across this state for the last year trying to, you know, get our agenda and our point across as far as, being a political outsider, doing the right thing, and trying to return, citizen representation back to Washington, D.C.↗

4:12:04Speaker 37And, yeah, it's, it's kind of funny watching, the, the-- I guess the voter base, or I like to call them the, the low IQ or, you know, very low information voters. who, you know, say they want change and all of that, but it doesn't seem to reflect that when you look at, how the vote turns out, you know? So obviously, I think what we're gonna end up doing is we've got a, kind of a↗

4:12:35Speaker 37I don't know, I want to say a very pro-data center, kind of pro-Zionism, very entrenched into the finance committees and stuff like that in Kentucky too. His name's Brett Guthrie. So we'll probably challenge him in twenty twenty-eight, and that, I think that seems more attainable because that brings the primary voter base from about three hundred and fifty thousand nominally in the primary to about a sixty thousand vote, and for about eighty grand, we were able to pull that eleven thousand votes, so that's seven twenty five a vote, seven and a quarter dollars a vote, so I think that's pretty attainable if we can take this base that we've created,↗

4:13:15Speaker 37three, three exit, but squeeze it to just the, you know, seventeen, eighteen counties within District Two, we can get about thirty-six thousand votes and really knock one of these career politicians out here. so that's where we're going, you know, kind of in that space over the next year, gonna try to network some more people and of course, make these socials a little larger, and definitely looking forward into being able to share a space with you in the future to really go into more detail about the agenda and kind of how we plan to tackle this next run, you know? So hope everybody's doing good. Thanks for listening to me ramble for a minute, and sorry I just barely caught the end of your stuff. Looks like you had Michael Recktenwald on. That while he was here, but just a little under the weather, a couple, a bug, a bug got me about a day ago, so my voice is down and,↗

4:14:04Speaker 37anyway, I don't know, just like a virus or whatever going around, so just barely catching y'all by happenstance to wake up and check what's going on. So thanks again, Ian. I hope everybody's doing okay.↗

4:14:16Ian MalcolmI love that, my friend. And, and voice might be a little down, but your spirits are up, as are the winds of change, and,↗

4:14:26Ian MalcolmI We're brewing something here, right? And, and a lot of people, you know, they, they kind of have this expectation that things can just monumentally change tomorrow. And the Zionists have been building this empire for decades, if not arguably centuries, and so it's gonna take a little while to unwind some of the, the headaches, right? But the, the work that you, that Dr. Recktenwald have been doing, that Casey Pugh was doing in Ohio, so many others, Tyler Dykes in South Carolina, right? Want to try and bring attention to as many Candidates that are trying to make a real world change in the political landscape, and so I sincerely look forward to that space with you and, we'll continue kind of working just to get that on the schedule. we've also got another one this week with another candidate, I'll get that and put it up into the, into the nest, for anybody that is interested. And, and in all sincerity, whether it's with Michael or any of these other candidates, we spoke with Tyler, we spoke with Casey, any of them, feel free↗

4:15:26Ian Malcolmto, to And everybody, and try and bring whatever attention and value that we can to these campaigns for candidates that are gonna speak out against this machine. And, I mean, that's, that's what we can do, right? Is all that we can control. So let's control the things we can, and, accept the things we can't, and have the wisdom to know the difference that, old Serenity Prairie kept going back to. But, really excited for that, Michael. Thank you so much for stopping by, and, in a total change of pace, we'll↗

4:15:57Ian MalcolmTo, to Mr. HT, very curious for some of your thoughts. I, I saw that viral video and I, I think it's got what tens of millions of views at this point.↗

4:16:07Speaker 38Yeah, and I was disappointed that you counter-signal me.↗

4:16:11Ian MalcolmI don't know if it was counter-signaling as much as it was making a, a pretty reasonable observation on the reality that you passed out flyers in Florida, which resulted in legislation that limited free speech, and now you're being held up by a lot of Zionists as exemplary of the very problem with, quote-unquote, antisemitism, which is a reasonable thing to note, isn't it?↗

4:16:32Speaker 38Well, I think if you felt that way, you wouldn't have worded it as "this man's antics had led to hate speech laws." I think you, in, in, if we were doing this American thing and we were actually not suffering with Stockholm syndrome, which a lot of the internet is always counseling guys like myself that are out there not doing anything illegal, simply pass-passing out paper, you might have worded it a little bit different instead of saying "antics." Said, "This guy has the right to distribute flyers," and these people in Congress, in, in Florida, in the Florida House, passed it unanimously. So is it my antics of exercising free speech, or is it that, that entire,↗

4:17:15Speaker 38the, the Jewish lobby just bought out every, seat there because it passed unanimously a hate speech law? So instead of our people attacking guys like myself who are out there fighting for you and everyone else here? You might want to point the finger at the, the congressmen that are actually passing these bills through and that are actually,↗

4:17:33Ian MalcolmI think we do that don't↗

4:17:34Speaker 38we? Well, no, you said my antics is making it seem like I had done something wrong. Is↗

4:17:39Ian Malcolmthe behavior that you demonstrated, is it reasonable to call that an antic?↗

4:17:45Speaker 38well, when you're talking about, the context of passing out flyers, I wouldn't call it antics if that, if you're talking about that interaction, I don't wanna squabble↗

4:17:53Ian Malcolmover the use of antics, but in the video, you just repeatedly referred- Where's the important- What was the term that you used? Was it slimy? Slimy Jew? Is that the↗

4:17:59Speaker 38term? I, no, I, I, I call them a cross-eyed Jew. But what you gotta remember here- There, there were a lot↗

4:18:05Ian Malcolmmore than cross-eyed. Was, was it slimy↗

4:18:09Speaker 38Well, let me ask you a question. If someone says, "Hey, white guy, let me ask you a question about something that..." Let me ask you a question about apple pie. Are you gonna get offended? I essentially said, "I, okay, I essentially walked up to the Jew, I said, 'Hey, Jew,' and this is why I asked him the question, "What's your thoughts about Jews sucking baby penises?" Because the reason why I asked that is because they were passing a bill in Tennessee at that time to make pedophilia punishable by death. So I would agree, I'm sure most people would, would agree in this space, that Jewish people sucking the penises, bloody penises, of their children is a form of pedophilia. I think everyone should agree with that. I don't call it a religious right, I call it pedophilia. And technically, if we wanna get tip for tip, I don't actually think-- It also breaks her piece.↗

4:18:57Ian MalcolmAnd, and I don't think you're gonna get, you're gonna get pushed back on that in this room.↗

4:19:00Speaker 38I'm sticking up for Jewish children,↗

4:19:03Ian Malcolmright?↗

4:19:04Speaker 38I mean,↗

4:19:04Ian Malcolmreally? You don't want them to get STDs, right? That's, that's- Yeah. And I don't want↗

4:19:08Speaker 38them to, I don't want them to die. I don't want them to die, but, you know, I don't want these guys doing pedophilia. So I'm actually doing a good thing. I'm, so follow me, you're, you're tracking. So when I say, "Hey Jew," I'm, I'm saying like, "Hey, you're Jewish, hey Jew." Well, I didn't↗

4:19:23Speaker 34say "Hey↗

4:19:32Speaker 38Kama." Hey Jew, what's your thoughts about Baby Pina Suck? You↗

4:19:36Ian Malcolmwant somebody to play the audio, you definitely↗

4:19:39Speaker 35didn't just say hey Jew. Well, this is↗

4:19:40Speaker 38my point, this is my point. From now on, instead of↗

4:19:42Speaker 35say hey Jew, say hey Jew, hey Jew.↗

4:19:48Speaker 38I was singing a Beatles song. Don't get me. I was singing a Beatles song. That was a Beatles song. So what I, what I said to him was, hey Jew, what's your thoughts about Baby Pina Suck? And his reply was, what, instead of saying, oh, it's Whoa, fuck me, bro, fuck you. Now it's on, gloves are off, Jew. So if he would have responded a little bit kinder, instead of with "fuck you," I might have been a little bit kinder, but he started it.↗

4:20:19Speaker 35I don't really even know how "Hey Jew" is an insult, right? Aren't you like a Jew, so... You know, like if you said to me, "Hey, non-Jew," or "Hey, Christian," or whatever, I wouldn't be like, "What?" Hey, white guy. Yeah. Yeah,↗

4:20:33Speaker 38like, no one gets offended if you say, "Hey, white guy, what's your thought about, you know, colonialism?" I'm gonna be like, "It's awesome. We gotta do more of it, right?" Like, I'm not, I'm not like afraid to say that. Like, let's get it going. And↗

4:20:46Ian Malcolmforward is worth eighty. I, I'm with you in, in terms of the, the mess-- Well, the, the message, let's say the intent of trying to bring awareness and attention, I↗

4:21:01Ian MalcolmWhere obviously we, we defer, but that, that's totally fine, and I, I, I, I welcome the pieces that you're doing as long as it isn't, let's say, incurring the limitation of my ability to try and very calmly and very, let's say, intellectually deliver this message in a way that's not hateful, but I can envision the psychopaths using, let's just call them loosely, antics to try and criminalize the act of talking about these things very calmly, which I think would be a very Very big detriment to everybody.↗

4:21:33Speaker 38Okay, so real quick, I'm just gonna give you a little bit of pushback. I will tell you that both Dan Blazarian and Jake Shields has said thank you for you being, you know, the tip of the spear. You allow guys like us to be able to talk about things and make it seem more regular. So I've actually gotten compliments from it. This word hate is very dangerous. Hate is a natural, God-given emotion that protects the things that we love. We have been too- We have been too loving to where this dysfunctional morality is now hurting us. So hate is something that can actually protect us because technically we're in a dialectic between multiculturalism, liberalism You know, or Marxism versus multicultural Christianity, both allow you not to hate. Hate is something that protects the things we love, and if we're getting pushed by the Christians or the leftists, we're not allowed to hate, meaning we're not allowed to hate the invasion of our country, hate the people that are being weaponized against us by Jewish people. We're not to-- We're not allowed to hate our, you know, our, our masters. We need to be able to hate. It's an emotion that protects us. So I think you guys kinda demonize that word a little bit, kinda like the left. Yeah.↗

4:22:46Ian MalcolmAnd, and forward is worth, David, look, we-- I always joke, well, in all sincerity, I state that we need lots of different delivery mechanisms, right? We are like the armed forces, we need the air force, we need the navy seals, and HC, we certainly need some, let's say, the, the shock and awe. I suppose that's the piece of the puzzle↗

4:23:08Speaker 34you deliver. I was just gonna say, there's many levels to this delivery mechanism. We're an X, so obviously we have to abide within their guidelines, but there's stuff that goes on in ear, you know, in real life, IRL type of thing, and AHT does a lot of shock value there, and he should be given credit for that, but it's also, you just gotta nuance it for the platform and the level you're on. That's all I'm gonna add there, but I feel like you↗

4:23:36Speaker 35could, I feel like you could lean a little- A little bit more into the levity side of it. I mean, I know it's kind of a tense situation, but you don't lack for courage. So like, not entirely JP Sears, 'cause he's doing his own thing, but I feel like you can lean a little bit more at the levity side of it, especially when people are so inclined to make fools of themselves in your presence. What do you think about that?↗

4:24:04Speaker 38Did↗

4:24:04Speaker 35you just,↗

4:24:05Speaker 38did that just ask me a question?↗

4:24:07Speaker 35Yeah, I said I think you, you could lean a little bit more into the funny side of it, you know, like the levity of it. I mean, that's a, that's a hard, you know, easy words for me to say sitting back here, and you're sort of out there, but it just, like, just as far as the tone of it, you d-- you could get more serious or get a little more sort of lighthearted about it, 'cause they are always--↗

4:24:30Speaker 38I've dressed, I've dressed, I Like, I, I, I'm pro-white, and I'm a national socialist. I, I do the Hitler salutes and all that stuff. So, but I have a sense of humor. Like, Joe Rogan's watched my clips. He thinks it's funny. But I honest, honestly think there's a level of seriousness too, which is like, I'm angry. Like, I can use laughter to help people digest, you know, this information. A spoonful of sugar helps medicine go down. But the problem is, is the left never countersignals their radicals. The right always does↗

4:25:07Speaker 38I'm not even a drop in the bucket compared to those people, yet I get called out by guys like Alex Jones calling me a Fed or, you know, whatever these influencers are, trash-talking me by using my language. I'm not using any violence, I'm not attacking people. In fact, I get attacked I'm getting sued. I just had Benai Britt take down my website, but I have to really, really↗

4:25:27Speaker 34interjecting. I just want to interject the point about left and right. Don't you think that's all by Jewish design? Like, you got these cuck surfaces, and then you got the left. Oh, we'll let the left just go full free radical, and we'll make the fucking right think about themselves and let them, you know, wallow in their conservatism as long as we can. I mean, if you think about it, they did that all by design. Literally↗

4:25:55Speaker 38Yeah, God, brother. I'm just saying a hundred percent, like I think, I used to think along those lines, if that's this false dialectic, but now I only think about my people. And there's nothing wrong for me caring only about my people. These are the laws of nature that we've been confused out of, right? And we have no problem when black people say Black Power, Mexicans say Viva La Raza, but for some reason, oh my God, did he just say White Power? Whoa. We- Whoa, dude. The founding fathers were white nationalists. I hate to break that to everyone, but we've kind of, we've kind of been made retarded by this Jewish propaganda to hate our own people. So like, we've gotta get tribal, guys. We're a seven percent global minority, and we are just the biggest coward laughing stock on the face of the earth right now because we're scared of words.↗

4:26:42Ian MalcolmI mean, you're not wrong. And, I, I think, look, that, that's the interesting piece, right? I, I always joke with, with David and Truth Tower that, I feel like I'm very aligned intellectually and also in the delivery. And, HC, we, you know, we certainly benefit from all sorts of different, styles, right? There, there's-↗

4:27:05Speaker 38Yeah, I agree with you, full spectrum. You know, but we can't be countering like, you know, guys like Chud, like Chud's a Christian, and I agree with Christianity, I think it's hurting our race, but he's a Christian man, at the end of the day, he's a white man, and people might not like his language, but it's legal. Did you↗

4:27:21Ian Malcolmsee, Myron Gaines came out, and the clip that I saw, he, I don't wanna say "fucking," but he's- The clip I saw that, he thought Chud, the builder, was completely in the right to defend himself. I, I don't know the story and I don't know the video clip, so I don't wanna make a comment, but, he came out in his defense, for what it's worth.↗

4:27:40Speaker 38Like, yeah, there's a lot of people that are, are seeing what-- I mean, obviously, you look at, what took place in that county, there was a, a, a black person who murdered someone and was let out on a two hundred and fifty This guy didn't even murder someone, and it was a self-defense case, and we're, we're looking at these guys getting one point two five million bond. It's a two-tiered justice system, and it's weaponized against white people. It's, and it's happening in Europe, and, you know, these Small hat people are controlling Europe. They're controlling all Western nations. You saw what happened with Thomas Sowell and the NSN being disbanded, made illegal. I mean, this is-- they're gonna make it illegal to be white. You can't even put, put a sticker on a pole that says "White Lives Matter" in the UK, or you'll go to jail. This is what's coming here, guys. I'm, I'm telling you, I'm the canary in the coal mine. I'm being sued, by two lawsuits right now for the SPLC against me to try to bankrupt me, try to bring down my, my freaking only place I can stream at, GoonTV, right? And I've got these Jews going after me, and I got my own people, Jew-jacketing me, Mexican-jacketing me, saying that I'm too, I'm too rude. It's like, dude, you haven't been radicalized ' 'Cause I hate what they're doing to us.↗

4:28:59Ian MalcolmDo you think, H. D. Given your perspective, you think that we are winning? 'Cause obviously a lot of people are waking up to the reality, but they are trying to essentially utilize the awakening to justify locking down our ability to help others notice, right? So, what, what are you envisioning for the next year?↗

4:29:21Speaker 38I'm concerned that reading Mein Kampf, Hitler warns us about Christian nationalism. Right now, you have, you had the Charlie Kirk Super Bowl, you had everyone saying just like, "It's a threat, it's a threat to our democracy, it's a threat to our democracy." You remember that? That went viral, everyone was saying on the media, "It's a Christian revival, it's a Christian revival." Now Jews are telling people to go to church, right? So they're going to weaponize Christianity to make us turn the other cheek, soften us, not be racial. Charlie Kirk was saying some racial things before they, before Israel killed him. And I will say Israel killed Charlie Kirk, 'cause he was actually speaking up for, Zarechka, the woman who got her throat cut on the subway by, it's just senseless violence. And he was calling out the leaders of BLM being Jewish. So I believe that they did kill Charlie Kirk, because Charlie Kirk had a way that would probably get white Christians to go, "Hey, it's okay to be white, and we're under attack." Right? Instead, they, they hit it hard with the Judeo-Christianity. Now, I'm against Christianity entirely, but I'm saying they made it super duper Judeo to where we don't see race anymore. And if we don't see race, when we're a global minority and have any pride in our race as a global minority, we are destined to go extinct. So I'm very concerned about that.↗

4:30:42Ian MalcolmOut, out of curiosity, if, 'cause I, again, we, we've got differing takes on religion, totally fine. but if Christian nationalism- were merged with a sense of white heritage, American values, and, let's say, civilizational pillars. Those two things come together and are used to reject Jewish supremacy and put an end to the subversion. In your eyes, that's a, that's a win or it's a loss 'cause it's just a different subversion?↗

4:31:12Speaker 38And no matter what Bible you read, Jesus says in John 4:22, "You worship what you worship, what you don't know, we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." Our race will never be able to conquer Jewish supremacy with an attitude thinking that our salvation comes from the Jews. And that's just where, you know, I- I disagree with it. I think that we need to get back to, being deists, pagans, atheists,↗

4:31:44Speaker 38you know, agnostic. I think that Christianity, when you look at it, and I'm not trying to bash it, I know this isn't a bashing space, but when you look into White Nationalists such as Pierce Rockwell, David Lane, Ben Clausen, Rev. L. P. Oliver, these wonderful, beautiful minds that have been totally kept secret, you understand that they all agreed that Christianity is poison To our race, and that's just, it's an unpopular thing to say, and I was a Christian, but I want our people to get disciplined and to be determined, and we've gotten this far when it comes to-- There used to be a taboo to talk about the Jews. Now everyone's talking about the Jews. But now, as, you know, our race is going extinct, we need to do an inventory. That means we've got to see what we did to screw it up, okay? We can't keep blaming it on the Jews, can't keep blaming it on the blacks and the The legals and the banks and stuff like this, we need to own our own accountability and stop being children. So what did we do to get in this situation where we're not tribal? Why don't we care about our people anymore? Why are we sick? Why are we ethnomassacring us?↗

4:32:51Speaker 38Yes, exactly. We need to knock it off, and it all boils down to us changing that behavior and not blaming Jews about it. Gotta change the algorithm. Well,↗

4:32:59Ian Malcolmyou know, but we do need to note the source of the problem so that we can then unwind said problem, right? Is↗

4:33:06Speaker 38there a problem? There are a hundred percent of problems. And here's the thing, this is↗

4:33:09Speaker 39very reductionist, and I brought this, you know, I, I brought this up to you a bunch of times, AJ, and I brought this up to your guys a bunch of times too, but if we're gonna look at the whole, if we're gonna look at this from a racialist point of view and we're gonna say,↗

4:33:27Speaker 39to white children. So until there's some sort of parallel institution that can do just as good or better than that, then I'm gonna go ahead and say that Christianity's good for the white race. The data supports that position a lot more than it supports yours. none of your guys have ever been able to have a good refutation for this, and at the end of the day, if we're gonna be pro-white and we're gonna ex- like, the biggest problem with us is our birth rates. We don't have anything else if we don't get that fixed. So,↗

4:33:51Speaker 39you know,↗

4:34:01Speaker 38Well, listen, a little bit of pushback, small pushback. We will never compete with the third world and the broken race and our genetic traits. No, no, you don't need to↗

4:34:07Speaker 39compete. Let me finish. Let me finish. That's the straw↗

4:34:09Speaker 38man. I'm not saying we need to compete with them. I, I, I totally agree with you. I to-- That's what I'm saying. There's a gray area here. I totally agree with you. But we have got to come up with this tribalism that drives these people out of here. Like, we can't↗

4:34:27Speaker 35I noticed something, and I wanna ask you about this, to his point, I noticed during COVID that an odd over, over-representative, and I'm saying this in a good way, over-representation of Christians were the ones going out in public and saying, "Screw you, stop locking us down, we're not gonna wear your masks." I just, did you notice that? That was a, an interesting dynamic there that seemed like a lot of Christians were out there in front.↗

4:34:55Speaker 34Well, that, that's population representation, but I agree with you, David. I mean, if you saw, I, I saw some videos in New York City where people were trying to jog in the park and people were running up to them, screaming at them to put on a fucking mask when they're running outdoors. And obviously, these, these weren't your orthodox Jews, they probably weren't your normal Jews or whatever, but, yeah, no, it, your typical Karens and so on and so forth.↗

4:35:23Speaker 39Well, the, this, this argument with the churches is a really good one, 'cause it goes to the institutional part of this, right? Where the churches, most importantly, were the ones that were able to, get lawsuits dropped or not get sued at all, and were able to go against COVID regulations successfully. And this was the case for many of these churches, and the institutions themselves being able to stay open, this speaks to the power of, of why we need to rely-- why these things are-- I mean, maybe you can make the argument we don't need to rely on them,↗

4:35:53Speaker 39It was better before with these systems. These systems have shown their power, and I would rather use them than just deny them altogether because in your, you know, from your worldview, you think that it's bad because Jesus was a Jew or whatever.↗

4:36:07Speaker 38No, there's some plus. I'm not gonna be, I'm, I'm not gonna be like totally unfair about this. I do believe that there are some, you know, programming things that, that Christians kinda have, like, you know, the mark of the beast. Like a lot of these Christians, like, they probably thought the vaccine was the You know? Like, and if they did, they didn't get vaccinated, which is a good thing. There's a good thing. There's community in churches that are good too. But if you try to talk about any of this tribalism that we need, that's gonna be, that's gonna be kicked out of church immediately, and that's, that's a big, big problem. Is that we wanna, we want, like, I think a lot of white Christians, they actually do want America to remain white. And unfortunately, the people that are running these churches are saying, "Look That doesn't match what Jesus is saying, you know, essentially, and we're-- we wanna bring more people to Christ. So there's gonna be a-- there's gonna be a lot of, you know, at the end of the day, it's not about being a white, white tribalist as a Christian, it's about bringing Christ to everyone, and that to me, I think could be a pitfall to us. That's, that's just my pushback.↗

4:37:16Speaker 39Yeah, I mean, there's no real, there's not like this necessi- this necessity to bring Christ to everyone. There's also not any sort of, restriction to the church, and I've, like I've said a thousand times, and the historical precedent shows that the church did restrict a lot of things that, would look like racial laws today, for example, putting Jews in ghettos. So, you know, this idea that the church is the subversion and it's not just, I mean, if, let's say I agree with you that there's leaders Within the church that are giving bad teachings, this isn't an indictment on Christianity, this seems to be an indictment on the leaders within. And I can certainly agree with you that the sub-- that there's subversion with it. But your position isn't that we should fix the church and the subversions within it. Yours, your position is that Christianity is the subversion, no?↗

4:38:05Speaker 38Oh, you're a hundred percent with that, but you gotta understand that, you're-- but here, here's what I'm saying, like, you're a hundred percent with that. Do I think that I'm gonna get people to wake up to the Jewish question? just, as far as, you know, the Christian question? No, that's gonna be really super duper hard. do I encourage white people to be tribal Christians and go against the teachings of their religion? Absolutely. You know? I do believe that there's, you know, where Arvold, who's got Christians that are racial and Pagans that are racial, that are working together to build a white community, awesome. You got guys like Billy Roper, who's predominantly Christian, working with the, like the CI guys, where we're the real Jews type of deal, awesome. Right? That's great. I'm all about white collectivism. Guys like me, who are like anti-Abrahamic, don't want anything to do with this. You know, trying to start our own thing out here. So I'm trying to recruit people from my tribe, you know, of what's gonna happen when this whole thing balkanizes in the states. And I'm not really trying to counter-signal these guys.↗

4:39:06Speaker 38As long as they're doing the pro-white thing, I'm not trying to shit on them too much, but I am trying to convert people to what I believe. So there's no-- I'm, I'm just being completely honest.↗

4:39:16Speaker 39Fair enough. And honestly, you know, the honesty's good, obviously, right? You know, and I, I, I see the position that you're coming from with this as well. you know, there is, the-- you guys have some decent arguments, and I've always said that, at the end of the day, there was-- it was, Jared Taylor actually brought this up, and he put it really well. He talked about the division of labor in this whole thing, and, perhaps it's better to just look at↗

4:39:41Speaker 39it that Race based, right? Now, if, if you, focused on, you know, getting whites tribal, then sure I wouldn't really have a problem. But you don't focus on that, your main focus is anti-Abrahamic stuff, which is fine and all, but that doesn't seem to be race first, right? Like if it's anti-Abrahamic first, that inherently means it can't be race first, right?↗

4:40:05Speaker 38my, my whole thing is getting, like, you know, I get a lot of flack for that, but yeah, I spend a lot of time on the CQ, but I also run a race and recovery space. So just put this out there to anyone who's suffering, even if you're a Christian. On Sundays, I run a space helping white people get sober and get tribal, and I think that's the most important thing. Again, I said, it's not about pointing the finger, it's about taking accountability for our people. So I think first and foremost, we need to get our shit together. So I do focus a lot of my time and energy that I don't get paid for, doing the CQ and race and recovery, you know, and I also hold events at my house, you know, and other places where I bring white people together and I don't get- Face and screams you at people. I just have dinner with people and have them bring their kids and family and meet, and let other families meet each other. So I'm doing a lot of things. I'm trying everything possible, so I'm not just stuck on one thing. I, I, I do this full time. This is my job. I get paid to be pro white, and I don't freaking, I don't, I eat, breathe, shit this, this thing day in and day out.↗

4:41:16Ian MalcolmNot sure, Colin, if you wanna add anything to that, but↗

4:41:21Speaker 38Thanks for letting me on. I appreciate it, and, and thanks for letting me give you some pushback and, and not, you know, be like, "Oh, wait, she's gonna give me some crap. I'm not gonna let him up here." Thank you for allowing me some pushback and some clarity. I appreciate it.↗

4:41:34Ian MalcolmAC, AC, I've, I got two death threats in the last week, in spaces. If, if, if you think I'm gonna be uncomfortable having you on On this panel, my friend, no, no, no, not in the least. Not, not a- Well, that means you're doing↗

4:41:48Speaker 38something right.↗

4:41:48Ian MalcolmThat means↗

4:41:49Speaker 38you're↗

4:41:49Ian Malcolmdoing something right. Well, they↗

4:41:50Speaker 35were↗

4:41:50Ian Malcolmboth from me, so, you know. David said he was gonna throw a book at my head, I got really scared. no, no, no. But, but, but look, I, I do think, you know, the, the person and, and David, I'm sure could put this much better than I, the, the person that fears On, right? And, and I, I think I've, I've tried to think through a lot of the angles of, of this situation, and I, I don't back down from just about anybody, and sometimes that gets people very frustrated, and, very rarely, but sometimes, that gets me a little annoyed. H. C., I'm sure you'll appreciate this. Yesterday, I found myself with Christopher Wood, who you might remember. He's the individual who, in the middle of state houses, named all of the Jews in COVID. heroic- Guy, but, we found ourselves discussing race realism. I found myself debating crime statistics, only to then ask the gentleman, "What is two divided by point five?" And he said three, and you can imagine it went poorly from there. I↗

4:42:57Speaker 34heard that Sorry, I don't remember.↗

4:42:59Speaker 38You stole that from me. I, I, I do the seven times eight. That's my, that's my life. Seven times eight. I'll put that one in my back pocket and utilize it next time.↗

4:43:07Speaker 34Again, what you're forgetting is there was two people advocating and you only asked one of them, but that one answered yes three, and you can only imagine what the answer you would have got from the other person. Well, the,↗

4:43:17Ian Malcolmthe wildest, the wildest part was, there was an individual going back and forth and back and forth, and then Trying to use the representation of people in prison relative to their proportionality in the general public, and I thought to myself the first time I went through it, you, you know, it's not a whole number. Maybe some people sometimes struggle with the idea that something goes into something two point X number of times. I got one for you. The, the next, the next guy that came along, I was like, I'm gonna make this as easy as possible. He didn't have a whole lot of squeaker. And I set him up for it with, and then the, the funniest part is When I asked the guy, I, I presumed this is such an easy question, he's obviously going to get it, and then we can agree that somebody that couldn't shouldn't be discussing these topics. But then the second guy didn't get it, and it was just, oh my goodness. So, so yes.↗

4:44:16Speaker 34the worst part, there was even a pause before you even got the three. It wasn't even an immediate answer.↗

4:44:24Ian MalcolmIt was, it was pretty bad. It, it-- But, but no, so, so, H. T., by no means do I, do I, in any way or any regard, not want you to be part of these conversations and up on these panels. I welcome anybody, for what it's worth. even the Jews that come in and say all kinds of crazy things. the one thing you're not allowed to do is advocate for violence against anyone or break the terms of service of this application or the law. That's all I ask for people. But let's go to HT, for some final thoughts, and then we'll go up to David for, closing prayer.↗

4:44:58Speaker 38All right, guys, I'm gonna do a little bit of self-shilling here. If you guys are having a hard time breaking through, to the whole JQ question, I have a website That, has a cheat sheet, and it goes into every single aspect. You might have seen these flyers all over the internet. A lot of people have shared them. You can, you can find those flyers at gtvflyers dot com, and it's got all of the names of all the Jews and all their funny business. there's also a few documentaries on there.↗

4:45:29Speaker 38I go live on goemtv dot com. I'm really racial, I'm really funny, and I go by Handsome Truth. And I just wanna say this one thing, we gotta get sober, stay sober, and we must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children. Thank you for having me on.↗

4:45:43Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And for what it's worth, of all the people on X with their content, I, I have to say that HT is in the top five of things that have made me laugh. Paul Miller, another person, very, very funny. But, but some of, some of HT's commentary I just watched, I can't, I can't help but laugh. It is very, very, very funny stuff.↗

4:46:07Ian Malcolmwhat, is it, w-what's the, what's the site that you use, HT, where you get connected to these random people, and, and then you just have video calls with them?↗

4:46:17Speaker 38O M E T V, and I play like a gay Jew, a retarded Jew, a Jewish guy, a black man with a monkey filter. How did I see the monkey filter? Yeah, he's got a whole bunch of↗

4:46:26Ian Malcolmfilters.↗

4:46:27Speaker 38Yeah. it's just me playing, you know, like a, you know, your average black man who doesn't know what seven times eight is. And, you know, I just tell white women don't date black men, and then I hold up the monkey doll and tell 'em, "This is what your kids are gonna look like if you're gonna be on singlemom dot com." So, yeah, you know, I just use very extreme racial humor to make people laugh, and it helps with the information go down. That's highly, highly inappropriate↗

4:46:51Speaker 35and very funny. Yes, I don't.↗

4:46:54Ian MalcolmWell, that, that, that's the thing, look, there's, there's lots of people that would think, David, that you and I drone on and are very boring and, that HT's content isn't gonna grab their attention. And for those younger white men that might see that and say, "You know what? Maybe I should consider some of these positions," right? It's, it's, it's shock and awe with humor, but there are some messages in there, and, and, and white people should take pride in↗

4:47:20Speaker 35their, their And it was where people could speak truth to power, and people who tell you what you're not allowed to say and what you're supposed to, what you're supposed to think even, and how you're supposed to live your life, they deserve derision. And so, the more, the merrier as far as people like J-J-P. Sears and yourself, get out there and make fun of these people. Get out there and say the thing. Freedom of speech, you know, I am a free speech absolutist, and that means you do have to push the boundaries. And these people deserve derision, and the levity is right there to be had, so congratulations. Listen, keep going with↗

4:47:57Ian Malcolmthat. No, absolutely.↗

4:47:59Speaker 38Thank you guys for having me, and good night, and you know WFP, you guys have a good one.↗

4:48:04Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, and, and certainly good, certainly good night. And on that, it'll be a nice little roll into good night, good morning, good afternoon, wherever all of you are in the world. Certainly, God bless for everything that, that you all are and that we all are. Certainly, God speed on our efforts to continue bringing all of these truths, whether uncomfortable or those that are very comfortable and rewarding, right, to each and every one of us. So that- That we can make the world a better place, day by day, brick by brick, step by step, right? We're going to continue doing these things as best we can with a very diverse, colorful cast of characters, right? We're very, very blessed because we've got all kinds of individuals that are contributing to this endeavor. I'm always humbled when they come in here, whether it's Mr. David, Mrs. Joann, the co-host, Mrs. With the mostess between those two, Dr. Recktenwald, who walked through and this- This is a, a recorded space, as they all are. So you can go back through, you can listen to Dr. Eckenfeldt walk through the entire history, the elongated version of Christian nationalism and Christian Zionism. Where did that concept get so perverted? Right? How did the idea of a once Christian nation become that which is now essentially defining patriotism as subservience to a foreign empire? Where did that all arrive from? And you walked through that masterfully. So feel free to go back, listen through it. We've got a lot of spaces this week, and I'm, I'm very excited and at the same time kind of overwhelmed by them to be in, entirely honest. And I say that because a lot, a lot of the-- it's one thing to have a bunch, but, these are also gonna be rather dense topics. In the next couple days, we've, we are going to be diving into the X algorithm, that's gonna be taking place tomorrow. We It's gonna be Shadow of Ezra, a bunch of people that are gonna be ripping, rip, ripping apart the algorithm. we're then going to, over the next couple days, we're gonna be discussing, a election that's taking place in Missouri with Congressman John Casey. I put that up in the nest as well. On Wednesday, we will be discussing Black America, some of the trials, the tribulations, and the way to make that better with Andre Williams. I'm very excited about that. He's a very, very intelligent man, and I'm sure he wouldn't Be remotely, hesitant to laugh at the fact that that individual couldn't do basic mathematics, right? This is a, a person who's going out to the black community and saying, "We all need to stand up," kind of like what HC was just suggesting, actually, taking accountability for your people, making them better. It's a very good mission and message. we're also gonna be discussing, of course, genetics. We'll be going further into that, in particular, this time isn't gonna be white versus black or yellow versus brown. This is going to be on On the concept that Rabbi Malice is going to be presenting around the unique genetics of essentially the white European people, he's gonna be debating that with Amiru. This isn't from any kind of white supremacy position, but rather, is there something unique in those people that might lend itself to creativity? Might that be why so many of these great pieces of art, of literature, of ideology, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, why all of this seems- To come from a, a rather small part of the world, right? So they'll be debating those ideas, those concepts, and in that, I've advocated that both go out and build a little team. So I'll be very curious to, to see who they show up with, so that we'll hopefully have two or three or four people from each of those perspectives kind of advocating or articulating their position. So it should be a very interesting next couple of days. If there's any other spaces that you wanna listen to, any other topics that you would like to discuss, send me a message. Always wide open to everybody. I just wanna make the world a better place. I wanna advocate truth as best I can, even those that I might not agree with or enjoy, right? And so to that individual James that was speaking earlier, my inbox is wide open, feel free to send a message if you would like to discuss that concept. Although the idea that Hitler is one of the Rothschilds, I, I'm not gonna lend that a lot of credence, but we can talk about the Bible if you want. So I look forward to those conversations, Mr. Michael Ferris, certainly excited for ours. And with that, let's go to David for some closing remarks and maybe a little bit of a spiritual prayer here.↗

4:52:34Speaker 35Well, I will say that it surprises me when people don't realize the advantage that we have. It really does, because the great awakening is really happening, and where we are, you know, Joanne referenced this earlier in the discussion, where we are now versus six months ago even, it's just absolutely amazing. And for everybody in the room, if you wonder how it is that we're going to win, look at yourselves. I mean, all of you have been indoctrinated and cajoled for your whole life. The people that owned all the megaphones, they haven't changed, they're doing their level best to keep us at bay, but it's not working. And I have to say, if you just envision, like a warrior, all the people that you believe in, that you love, and your whole civilization looking at you You're their hero, and if they don't see it today, they're going to see it tomorrow, you know, like, like William Wallace, riding back from the battle and tossing the hair of children and thinking, "Yes, we're on the right side of history. Yes, when you fight for freedom, you win. What does the other side have? There's no honor among thieves, and also there's no courage. These are cowards." They can't have the courage of their convictions because they have neither convictions nor courage. This is nothing more than your, their as-aspiration to get you to believe that you won't win if you fight, when absolutely the reverse is true, and that's what's happening now. It's very exciting, and I feel such a great-- I hope you all do solidarity with all your sisters and your brothers, and I just, you can just feel it, it's like you're on top of a giant wave that's about to topple over on everyone that opposes Opposes us. You know, freedom, I, I say over and over again, isn't our right as Americans, it's our destiny as a species. Nobody wants to be told where to go, with whom to associate, how to raise their kids, what they're allowed to say or even think. Nobody is going to put up for that with that, but for so long. So I'm very, very proud of the movement. It's very exciting. We define ourselves by our loves and not our hatreds. We love innocence, we love goodness, we love our children, we love our people,↗

4:54:45Speaker 35What do you say about that, my friend?↗

4:54:47Ian MalcolmWell, I'd start by saying, and I love David Nye, and, and, and I love all of you, and I, I know that that sounds probably trite and a little bit silly, but I sincerely do, right? Because this is a journey that we are all on together. And, and all of these things that I'm learning from all of you along the way is a mirror of what you are learning from all of us, right? We're all growing in this thing, and I love that concept of the wave, because, David, we're all but drops of water in part of that giant ocean, right? But we are, we are going to be toppling a system that is trying to oppress Mother Nature, and they won't oppress this tidal wave that we are riding on top of, right? So, so grab your Your oogie board, your surfboard, or grab your body surfing, I think that's what it is, right? Get ready because we are absolutely going to win, and some of us are going to do it in wild style and flair, like HT, who's on his kite, kite surfing, I think it is, right? Other individuals might be in a rowboat, whatever it is, right? Figure out what is your vehicle to be part of this thing that we are all building because it is organic, and like David said before, no politician is coming to save us. We have to save ourselves. So to riff off of HT, we need to be accountable every day, every way that we can, to make the world a little bit better than it was yesterday, and certainly better than yesteryear. So let's just keep going, let's keep moving forward, we'll keep learning from one another, I'll keep learning from you, you keep learning from all the wonderful panelists that we bring up here. And in the interim, I wanna wish everybody again a good morning, good evening, good afternoon, certainly God bless for everything you are, God speed on our mission↗

4:56:32Ian MalcolmTomorrow.↗