Held here entire — 330 passages across 15 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00quiet, reflectiveOpening September 11th SpaceThe host opens by noting this is the third 9/11-focused space and introduces the documentary Responders.
- 9:38raw, woundedTrailer Promises Multiple ExplosionsThe documentary trailer reveals claims of bombs in the lobby before the planes hit.
- 17:04hard, unyielding9/11 Commission Was Set Up To FailThe film argues the official investigation ignored key eyewitness testimony.
- 24:44guarded, evenInvestigating the Documentary's FundingMandy researches the producers and finds potential links that might limit the film's scope.
- 27:56grim, scorchedFirefighter Reports Isolated Pockets of FireA firefighter reaches the impact zone and reports only minor fires before the collapse.
- 38:11urgent, incendiaryScanning Explosions Around the TowerA witness describes explosions sweeping across the building like pixels on a screen.
- 44:32grave, forebodingBuilding 7 Was A Controlled DemolitionThe first responder confirms Building 7 was deliberately brought down.
- 55:56tentative, hopefulJoey Good's Viral Music InterludeThe host introduces a musical break to highlight a creator whose satirical songs recently gained traction.
- 1:02:08heated, combativeJoey Good's Anti-Semitic Song Banned In EUA satirical puppet song repeating a single phrase gets outlawed across Europe.
- 1:08:15bleak, drainedContent Strategy Against Extremist Speech@MalleusIG argues the establishment craves violent extremist rhetoric to easily dismiss critics.
- 1:12:25cool, analyticalFranklin Square Fire District 9/11 Grand JuryA fire department memorializes a fallen brother while demanding a new federal grand jury investigation into 9/11.
- 1:19:29calm, distantApathy And The Mass AwakeningA guest argues that the truth about 9/11 was always available but public apathy prevented a mass awakening.
- 1:21:39dimmed, waryIdentifying Sincere Accounts On XIan explains how he distinguishes genuine voices from bad actors when navigating controversial discussions on the platform.
- 1:23:25charged, alertSpotting Fake Accounts And Bad ActorsThe host explains how to identify disingenuous accounts and bad actors in the space.
- 1:37:21detached, weighingThe Information Superhighway Off RampsMainstream and alternative media figures serve as controlled off ramps to keep dissidents from leaving the system entirely.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm guessing you're going to be able to perhaps name that tune, maybe that artist, and I have a sneaky suspicion you'll be able to guess why I picked it for this space.
@joann_marieWell, Sunday Space, I love this. It's Earth, Wind & Fire and it's September because of September 11th, so yes. I used to listen to K-Earth 101 when I lived in LA, like non-stop, and this is one of the songs that they used to play all the time. So I love it. Great choice.
Ian MalcolmI love it. And, you know, there's lots. We've done a couple. This is going to be the third space that we have done now around this subject. And each of them taking kind of different flavors, right? We did the first, and isn't it kind of crazy? To think that we did a space with Richard Gage, who is the foremost expert in kind of the engineering, let's say, inconsistencies in the official narrative.
Ian MalcolmSo we got an entire deep dive into all of the pieces of the puzzle that do not make sense, right? If you're just looking at it from a science and a mathematics and an engineering standpoint, you look and you say, you know, there certainly was something else going on.
@joann_marieAnd also with Dan, remember?
Ian MalcolmYeah.
@joann_marieYes.
Ian MalcolmI'm sorry?
@joann_marieThe pilot who was also a whistleblower.
Ian MalcolmThat's what I was gonna say in that same conversation. We had Dan come in. I think it's Dan Henley, if I'm not mistaken, who is basically leading the charge on the aeronautical aspect of it, saying, look, this is why these pieces don't make sense. We got a whole lot of insider information from, let's literally or figuratively say 30 or 40 or 20,000 feet, right?
Ian MalcolmSo we had the engineering of the building, the engineering of the airplanes. We then did the space with Mr. Truth Teller, who went into the ins and outs of how we can look at this. And I mean, can we say exactly who was behind it? Who was piloting the airplane or piloting perhaps the remote control, right? No, we can't.
Ian MalcolmWhat we can do, though, is we can look at all of these various pieces of the puzzle. And we can say the official narrative clearly is not accurate. We can say that the Let's say the unofficial ideology or prevailing winds that we have presented, well, it makes a pretty, let's say, irrefutably sound argument. It's probably the right way to think about it.
Ian MalcolmAnd so you're looking at something and we're saying, okay, the powers that be are clearly lying. People like Truth Teller and all those that have been uncovering all the aspects of, let's say, perspective in Israeli involvement and Mossad, well, there's so much... Overwhelming evidence to support that something was going on there that to merely shrug it off, very similar actually to what they've been doing with the Tyler Robinson plot holes, right?
Ian MalcolmThat feels disingenuous. And as a result, we can say, look, we're probably, if not certainly onto not only something, but the something that was responsible. And so now what we're going to do is a third piece of the puzzle, which is to get information directly from and about this documentary that is just broken. It is entitled Responders.
Ian MalcolmWe're going to get kind of an overview in terms of what that includes, who might have been behind it. We'll also get some thoughts on what is based there within. And we're going to make sure that we do all of this within the confines of the terms and services of this application. That was the primary ask. I just want to throw it out first and foremost to Rabbi [guest].
Ian MalcolmAnd I say this because With anybody's private content, we always want to make sure that we respect everything, right? So we will play songs on here and all those other kinds of things. We'll never play them in their entirety. We will also always, of course, as we're not monetized, we're not doing any of this for commercial purposes.
Ian MalcolmSo I just want to share that and be very specific because obviously every single piece of the JQ is out to try and make sure that we can't have these conversations, maybe because we are continuously accurate with our suggestions. And so with that being said, I think everybody is probably very familiar. with our co-host of the space here.
Ian MalcolmWe'll keep this conversation, prospectively, a little bit shorter than some of the ones that we've traditionally been doing. And I always say that, and then we run four hours longer than I expect, but we will try. And we're gonna try and do that going forward as just a best practice because some of the, you know, we always do such a wonderful job with JoAnn's help finding such wonderful guests to have that discuss all kinds of incredible things.
Ian MalcolmSo what I want to try to do is to see if we can compact some of the conversations and spaces going forward so that we can get a deep dive with our special guests, allow for lots of people to interact with them, but maybe then decide, okay, we have come to the conclusion. We can save the director's cuts for a couple spaces here and there and go much longer, but that's going to kind of just be a best practice if we're able to going forward.
Ian MalcolmAgain, I always say that, and then I fail. So that being said, I know everybody's very familiar with Mr. [guest], so we will go to him in just a moment and start to unpack this topic. But before we do, Miss JoAnn, any thoughts, comments, questions, colors, other things that we might not have included there at the top?
@joann_marieNo, thank you so much for hosting, especially on Sundays. I love your Sunday spaces. And Rabbi, always amazing having you here. Guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. All of Ian's spaces in Rumble, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and IanMalcolm84 and Malcolm's spaces. So thank you. Thank you so much.
@joann_marieThank you. You're amazing. And that's about it. I haven't watched this documentary, so I cannot wait to learn more about it. Hey, Rabbi.
@malleusigHey, JoAnn. How are you? I'm all right. I'm all right. So here's the thing. So originally I was going to do like a watch party where I was going to watch the entire thing or as much as, you know, as much as I could fit into like an hour or so. But because we want to be like very mindful of time, right? We don't want to like just like stream the entire thing.
@malleusigBut we do want to get people interested in this so that they go and they rent it themselves, right? We want them to go and rent this and watch the entire thing. So what I'm going to do is, because I haven't seen it yet either, but I've seen the trailer. I'm gonna jump to what I think look like the key parts of the documentary and we'll play some clips and then we'll like we'll stop and then we'll kind of discuss and remember like so I don't know what's coming up either so these may not be like the best clips they may go on for a little bit but just
@malleusigBear with me and then we'll see what comes out of it.
Ian MalcolmAnd Rabbi, do you want to start with a literal preview, right? They've got the trailer that's out there. I'm sure that that's considered for use because it's widely available right now on the internet. But maybe we can start with that if it does give some audio cues that might be of value. That's a good idea. Let's do that.
@malleusigHere we go.
@malleusigHold on a second.
Speaker 1Are you aware that you have just made the most dangerous movie ever made in this country?
@malleusigThings just kept going and blowing.
Speaker 2What happened? It was an explosion. It was in the lobby and the third explosion, the whole lobby collapsed on us.
@malleusigI watched the movie this afternoon. The Responders was a good one. It was great. That's Roger Waters speaking.
Speaker 3And it's totally compelling and convincing.
Speaker 4I swear I thought I heard three explosions. I heard three small explosions.
@malleusigThe next thing I hear, I heard one explosion, not boom, boom, boom, boom. I heard boom. I watched the movie, The Responder. You are uncovering new information I'd never heard of, Bobby. This is Senator Ron Johnson.
@darelllemailvc9-11, Bobby, I know for sure, died before the towers were hit.
@malleusigI've never heard of the evidence where he was murdered before the first plane hit.
@bobbyfischer_gmI think a bomb went off in the lobby first, then a plane hit the building. The bomb hit the lobby first, and a couple of seconds in the first plane hit.
Speaker 5I've never seen or heard of those witnesses that Graham McQueen was interviewing as part of that. I've never heard of those women.
@malleusigHer testimony is there. It's part of the historical record. Like you said, 150 other people said it too, so that's not so much a relief, but at least I know I'm not crazy. It was going around the tower, and then it went to the next one on the bottom, but now it was bright red. The bottom line here is that the American public has not been told the complete truth about the events of that fateful autumn morning.
@malleusigWatch this 9-11 movie. This isn't like anything you've ever seen before and it's all true. I absolutely think that if more people see this film that there's gonna be a huge awakening.
@malleusigI'll stop it there. So we got a couple of things in here that are promised to us by the trailer. One is that there were multiple explosions before the planes hit. Two, apparently there was somebody, I think his name was Bobby, who was murdered before the planes hit. No idea, I had no idea about that. And then also apparently there are, someone is testifying there was some kind of like...
@malleusigsome kind of explosions that went like around the outside around like like in one floor at a time went like through one floor one window at a time like going across the the building almost like like uh um like pixels in a video game right boom boom boom like that and so these are the things that i i want to see in this i want to get out of this so um any questions any comments so far before we start
Ian MalcolmNo, and I think it's a very interesting concept. Obviously, I want to just advocate and look, I don't ever do this for fundraising or any of that other kind of stuff, but just to bring attention, again, this is the Responders documentary. Rabbi, where could people rent or watch this and contribute to the people that are behind the project?
Ian MalcolmI just want to bring attention to it so anybody listening, of course, can go and fully support this in its entirety if they so choose.
@malleusigI found it at therespondersfilm.com. And then you can also search for it on YouTube, Apple TV, Google Play, Prime Video.
Ian MalcolmWell, wonderful. Okay, so everybody can certainly grab it that way. Certainly look on their website, all those other things. And I say that because we should always support those people. And I think Stu Peters was a good example of this a while ago, right? He made the documentary Occupied. People gave him criticism for the way that he went about, I guess, the release and all those other things.
Ian MalcolmI know it was a little bit of a snafu. But it's worth noting that I'm sure Stu put a lot of time and effort and money into that. And just like I always advocate people support and share and like individuals' efforts on here, right? Anybody that is out there trying to make a documentary like this one, we should be where we can and where people have a couple extra dollars.
Ian MalcolmWe should be supporting those causes because we always talk about essentially You know, boycotting the current system and helping to build one of our own. Well, when people go out on a limb and they do that, we should, of course, do what we can to support their efforts. So again, I just wanted to bring attention to that.
Ian MalcolmAnd I'm excited to kind of learn more about what it is that they put together here.
@malleusigYeah, if you guys, if you have, I think it was like, you know, three bucks or four bucks, how much it costs to rent it, do it, check it out. Or at least if it turns out that this is interesting. It looks extremely interesting, but yeah, definitely get out there and support filmmakers that are on our side that are trying to get the truth out.
Ian MalcolmAnd with that, so what I'm going to do is... Actually, Rabbi, really quickly, and I say this because I know that we got some expert researchers in here. Maybe, I know that you're going to be doing some of these other things, but perhaps, I don't know if Mandy or anybody else, maybe Forti, might want to look into... Who was behind the production of this, right?
Ian MalcolmCan we find any information on who might have either financed it or helped design it? I'd be very curious if it is any of the usual suspects. I would imagine not, but certainly might be worth looking into.
@malleusigYeah, that's a good idea, actually. Yeah, if you want to do that, that'd be fantastic to support these people. All right, excellent. All right. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to jump around and look at business, scroll through, look for the parts that look like they're like, you know, clips or interviews, interesting parts, jump around and watch those.
@malleusigAnd then we'll have a discussion about what we just heard. And then we'll do another one and we'll try and do that. You said you have about two hours, right, Ian?
@joann_marieDo they ever talk about Israel's involvement in the documentary?
@malleusigI hope so. I really hope so. I don't know. There was nothing like that in the trailer, but we'll find out. I haven't seen this yet either.
@joann_marieOh, we're knowing this at the same time. Okay. I hope they do.
@malleusigYeah, I hope they do too, because that would be absolutely incredible.
Ian MalcolmAnd on that, what we'll do, we'll put up into the nest, we'll put up the video that allegedly Dank helped to put together based on the space with Truth Teller. I think that's probably the most... Damning, let's say, when it comes to pointing fingers in that one direction. I will be very curious if there are pieces that kind of echo that within this documentary or not.
Ian MalcolmBut either way, we want to bring attention to the work that he's done, as well as, like JoAnn was saying, putting all these spaces onto all of those other platforms. And the Malcolm Spaces handle, which is almost at 1,000 followers. And so what I will do, actually, I'll go ahead and put that, I'll put one of the posts up into the nest.
Ian MalcolmLet's say we're 74 away from the thousand follower mark. So I'll put that up into the nest. If you do not follow that already, would greatly appreciate it for Mr. Allegedly Dank, all the things that he does. We'll keep kind of growing that handle. But with that, let's go back to you, [guest].
@malleusigFantastic. All right, here we go. Here's the first interview. Looks like it's with one of the firefighters.
@malleusigMy name is... Christopher Joya. I'm a construction surveyor and I'm also a volunteer firefighter. I've been a volunteer firefighter for 30 years. I've served as chief, commissioner, Franklin Square. That's where I'm at right now.
@malleusigGrowing up, me and my friends used to sit on the curb and watch the fire trucks go by. So when I got a little older, I wanted to join the fire department. When I became a senior in high school, a Marine recruiter came to the school. I was so impressed with the way the Marines carried themselves. I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1978.
@malleusigI was only 17.
@malleusigBeing in the Marine Corps, they teach you things that last you a lifetime. You don't forget because it's pretty much burned into your brain. They knock the crap out of you, but they straighten you out and they point you in the right direction. After I got out of boot camp, I was sent to Fort Belvoir, Virginia, where I received formal training as a construction surveyor, which is what I do to this day.
@malleusigI was always very supportive of the United States. I know that the country is what you make of it, and the foundation of our country and the Constitution is just a great thing. I always felt that way about the country. I was always very patriotic. I flew the flag before I even joined the Marines.
Speaker 6Tomorrow, the 9-11 Commission will put out its final report. and panel members say they'll push hard for adoption of their recommendations for the overall fight against terrorism.
Speaker 5Good morning. This report represents the unanimous conclusion of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States.
@malleusigThe 9-11 Commission was flawed and in the words of the chairman and the vice chairman, set up to fail. and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. That's their own words. The final report did not examine key evidence and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened.
Speaker 5On September 11th, 2001, 19 men armed with knives, box cutters, mace, and pepper spray penetrated the defenses of the most powerful nation in the world.
@malleusigMost people, if not all, will agree with the basic tenet that we need to look at facts that haven't been looked at before, if they exist. Let's look at all the evidence. That's all we're saying. Just look at the evidence. The testimony from people who were at Ground Zero, they were at the Twin Towers that day. First responders, firemen, and policemen.
@malleusigIt took a lawsuit. Under the Freedom of Information Act by the New York Times to get important testimonies released, this occurring in August of 2005, almost exactly a year after the 9-11 Commission had disbanded. That is not justice.
@malleusigYou cannot ignore testimony from eyewitnesses who were there saying, I saw A bomb go off, or I saw an explosion, I heard an explosion. You can't ignore that testimony. Yeah, you have hundreds of people saying that. So that evidence hasn't been looked at. And it needs to be looked at. My name is Susan Keene. I joined the military back in 1979.
@malleusigDid 13 years with the military. Got out.
@malleusigI was stationed in Germany for a while. I got stuck in a Persian missile unit.
@malleusigThe unit I was in was a hide-and-survive unit. We sat in mud holes, and they would blow things up around you because you kind of had to have a steady hand because the missiles were literally on the back of huge trailers. Honduras I don't like to talk about, but that was a little crazy.
Speaker 7The rest of the U.S. troops arrived in Honduras today. News 4's John Crane was there as they landed.
@malleusigThat was like a guerrilla warfare type thing. We were there to help people medically and it turned into something else. It was just kind of nuts.
@malleusigI was the mobilization sergeant for the 77th ARCOM for Desert Storm. I know we said a lot of that really helped me on 9-11.
@malleusig28 years, that's the amount of time I was in the fire department. My name is Rudy Dent. I was born in New York, in Manhattan. I went into the service with a promise that I would be school trained. Instead, I ended up with OJT, on-the-job training. When I went to Vietnam, I was the only black guy in the gun platoon. They took it pretty well.
@malleusigIt was a shootout. It really was exciting stuff. You had the rounds coming up at you, and it was like basketballs coming up at us. And, you know, you're going right into the tunnel, and then we're throwing in rockets. We're throwing in the miniguns.
@malleusigCoordination with aerial support became a highly polished art. I was like a Dudley Do-Right, super gung-ho. I was gunner of a month, best driver, best ship, soldier of months, soldier of quarter. We saw plenty of death. I saw plenty of ground troops. When the bombs hit, the mortars, I'd see them disappear in the smoke.
@malleusigIf it wasn't for the fact that I was helping our fellow ground troops. I would have had some serious issues because I think we all knew we weren't there for democracy or anything like that.
@malleusigThe problem was that it was too profitable the way it is.
@malleusigThe system wants to maintain itself and it's that very system That led to World Trade Center.
Speaker 4You always hope you did the best you could do that day, but some days you sit there and say, what else?
@malleusigWhat else? I really I was kind of upset over, oh, here, that one is a good one. All right, you want this one? Yeah. So this looks like this is Bonnie Jean Giebfried and Captain Karen Deschore. What it looks like they're doing is they're going through introducing all of the players. So if you guys want, I'm going to try and go like skip forward to like one.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, I think, why don't we do that? And the thing that's interesting, so they, I mean, in there, One of those comments was basically setting up the motivations, right? Saying this has always been the case and they needed some kind of justification to continue this machine, the war machine. And it's very interesting. So laying the groundwork already that this has nothing to do with some kind of foreign animus, but rather with interest of, let's just say, the U.S.
Ian MalcolmEmpire's military machine, which we know wink, wink, cough, cough means... Any thoughts, Forti, Mandy?
Ian MalcolmAny comments, anyone?
@rabbimandyxYes, so that's what I've been looking up this whole time. I wasn't actually, sorry, I apologize. I wasn't actually listening. Damn it, Mandy. Sorry, but I was researching this, and so I only did the research through DROC, but I went through a little bit of a wormhole, or yeah, rabbit hole, I guess you'd call it. Anyway, it said this documentary is by Libby Handos and John Kirby, the press and the public project.
@rabbimandyxThey say it was funded privately through Patreon, and it's not tied to any major studios, and they have not released documentation of the private funders through Patreon, and they said they put in a lot of their money, and there was delays and stuff because they couldn't get money. However, this is a however where we're going to say, and there it is.
@rabbimandyxHowever, the surname Handros in close variants such as Kondros and Handrosh is described in some genealogical sources as having Jewish origins, and she produced a program called the Jews of Moscow, which, as far as I understand in this limited time that I've been looking up, talks about anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.
@malleusigSo they're probably won't get it to Israel.
@rabbimandyxSo I don't think they're going to get it to Jews. But... The other guy's okay, as far as I can find out.
@malleusigAll right, good to know.
@rabbimandyxYeah, I'm sorry for the information.
@malleusigNo, it's all right. Maybe we can't expect them to get into the people that were behind it, but at the very least, we can get into dismantling the government story, which is definitely a step forward.
Speaker 8What I saw on it, I was doing the same research, and I used Brave, I used their AI, but what it showed was they have previously worked a lot with HBO and PBS, for what that's worth. And it couldn't, and Brave's AI is usually pretty good with telling me honestly about any kind of Israeli connections or Jewish connections.
Speaker 8It said that they couldn't find any in its search, so for whatever that's worth. But also said there really wasn't much information about either one of their ethnicity, but it couldn't find any direct connections to Israel in the film.
@malleusigAll right.
@rabbimandyxI'm still excited to hear more.
@malleusigAll right, excellent. Well, I'll tell you what, I found a spot that looks like we're talking about the morning of, so we'll jump into that. How's that? Let's see. This is going to be the first guy. He's talking at the press club, so this is the first guy that we heard from. ...and making it to the point of impact on the 78th floor of the South Tower with his men and recorded that he had two isolated pockets of fire and that we should be able to knock it down with two wines.
@malleusigOkay, so this guy is Oriol Palmer that reported this. They're showing a picture of him on the side here. So the assertion is now that he made up to the tower after the plane hit and said there was two pockets of fire that were supposedly not an issue that could be just taken out very easily. ...tower with his men and reported that he had two isolated pockets of fire and that we should be able to knock it down with two lines.
@malleusigWe got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. contradicting the official storyline that it was a raging fire up there. Here's a brave fireman who made it onto the fire floor and was doing his job. One minute after the final transmission, the South Tower collapsed.
@malleusigSo, wait a minute. One minute, this guy gets up in the South Tower and says that there isn't a huge fire. There's two isolated fires that can be taken out very easily. And then minutes after the entire thing collapses? That's insane. I'm sorry, I'll let you go on.
Speaker 4We're about to go in, and no sooner did we get our stuff, we heard three small explosions.
Speaker 3I swear I thought I heard three explosions.
Speaker 4It seemed like some type of an explosion thing happened. Captain Deshore said, back up, get on the grassy knoll, it's going to blow.
@malleusigWait, wait, she literally just said the grassy knoll. This is perfect. I love it. I'm sorry. I'll keep going.
Speaker 4This is as close as we can get to the base of the World Trade Center. You can see the firemen assembled here, the police officers, FBI agents, and you can see the two towers.
Speaker 9A huge explosion now, raining debris on all of us. We better get out of the way.
Speaker 10Wow.
@malleusigJust showing all the towers coming down from the base. Things just kept going and blowing. Like, debris and everything just came one way, and then it seemed to, like, get a little quiet, and then a massive swoosh. We all got thrown.
Speaker 11Stan Daler from ABC's Good Morning America is down in the general vicinity. Dan, can you tell us what has just happened?
@malleusigYes, Peter, it's Don Daler down here. I'm four blocks north of the World Trade Center. The second building that was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed. The entire building has just collapsed as if a demolition team set off When you see the old demolition, the old building, it slows it down on itself and it is not there anymore.
@malleusigThat should be it. It has fully collapsed.
Speaker 12The whole side has collapsed? The whole building has collapsed. The whole building has collapsed? The building has collapsed. That's the southern tower you're talking about. Exactly.
@malleusigThe second building... You can hear, even Dan Radler isn't believing it. ...that we witnessed the airplane enter...
@malleusigIt appeared like the tower was coming down or there was an explosion. And I don't even remember yelling, it's, what is it? It's coming down. I ran up here and sort of put myself behind this last support beam of the crosswalk.
@malleusigAnd I was behind here when the tower came down. I got down on my knees. I crouched down and I was still alright then. However, as it got darker and louder, then the problem came. You couldn't breathe anymore. You just simply couldn't breathe.
@malleusigSo I'm sitting there and I'm just telling myself I don't want to die and I cannot tell you how long it took. But all of a sudden there was not a single sound.
@malleusigOver my right shoulder, somebody, a male voice said, is there anybody out there? And I'm thinking, and I remember that, should I answer or not? But before I could think that far, I said, I'm over here, please don't leave me. And that is a quote. And he said, I can't see. I said, I can't see, but you talk, I talk, we find each other.
@malleusigAnd somehow the two of us found each other. And when I had that person's hand in my hand, I felt so safe. I call that moment my God experience because it had to be God to rescue me like that.
Speaker 2The whole building just collapsed inside the lobby.
@malleusigWas that a secondary explosion? Yes, it was.
Speaker 2Definitely a secondary explosion. We were inside waiting to go upstairs, and on our way upstairs, the whole fucking thing blew. I didn't mean to be cursing. So what you're telling me is that there was a plane or whatever he could build in the secondary explosion? There was like three explosions after that. We came in after the fire.
Speaker 2We came when the fire was going on already. We was in the staging area inside the building.
@malleusigOkay, so that was actually so you guys have probably seen the old clip from from the day of 9-11 The two firefighters one white one black the black guy on the left is speaking the tournament all they are all the explosions going off the secondary explosions so What we're gonna hear now I think is is that same guy. His name is Tyrone Johnson.
@malleusigHe's so he's being interviewed now about What he said in that clip 26 years ago. So he's going to talk about, right, they're showing the Marriott and the Tarot, and the Tarot won right now on the screen. Up the Marriott, it was like four companies there. It was us, four trucks, and I forgot the other two companies. On our way up there, up the stairs, we heard a rumbling sound.
@malleusigIt was like a train honking. And that's when the whole floor collapsed and everything. So we got buried and everything. Then they all of a sudden stopped and said, shit, I'm still alive. At that time, we didn't know the building had collapsed on top of the Marriott. The lobby floor just collapsed. The whole lobby floor was gone.
@malleusigThe Marriott was still intact, though, but part of the upper floors was destroyed. We know for a fact that the debris that fell on the Marriott didn't go any further down than the seventh floor.
Speaker 3So how did all the bottom floors collapse?
@malleusigThat's what we're trying to figure out.
Speaker 3I don't know. That might have been the third explosion.
@malleusigNow everything looks different. Everything is gray, loaded with dust. I'm loaded, head to toe with dust. I can feel and see the outside in the mezzanine. So at that point, you think all the windows are gone. It's hard to tell if they blew in or out. Now it's like we have to get out of here. With this gentleman holding hands, we started walking.
@malleusigOur light source was going west towards the river. So this is mostly just them talking about how they got out. I'm going to try and skip forward to something that looks more like... Oh, here we go. This looks better.
@malleusigLike this book here. Okay, so she's describing lights like explosions in windows that went one at a time.
@malleusigacross the middle of the building and then went to the next one so it's like pop pop pop pop pop like this they're showing on the screen it looks like a pixel like almost like a pixel going across a tv screen how it's like scanning across and then all of a sudden i'm still standing there looking trying to figure out what was going on it came around the other way like it was going around the tower
@malleusigSo how does she know?
@malleusigthat's crazy okay so we have this this one lady on the ground she's established she was on the ground up close in the towers when it came down she just talked about how she saw this scanning line of explosions going across two floors that were not connected two floors in one floor at a time just going around around the building coming around the other way and then coming around on the next that it was like three or four floors down lower when it came around the next time and then we have this other
@malleusigA woman looks like a firefighter or a rescue worker telling people on the ground to get away because it's coming down. But how could she know it's coming down and in time to warn people? So this is crazy.
@adajuggernautYeah. OK, not not to jump in here, but no good. I was at 9-11 during 9-11. Those that know who I am and what I do. You were, yeah. Yeah. Actually, I finished My last night work on the Deep Platoon here in Philly, 7 o'clock that morning. Went home, you know, two hours later, go into bed, woke up a half hour later, and that was right before the first plane hit the first tower.
@adajuggernautAnd now I'm back in work mode. And back then, you know, we just had cell phones, you know. We're calling up. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on?
@adajuggernautPlane hits. Second plane hits. We went back to work, grabbed our fucking gear. When I say gear, that's our turnout gear, our helmets, our SCBAs or whatever. And there were local responses with all the cities, you know, For domestic terrorism or whatnot and We grabbed our shit and we went out there that day got there later that evening and We refer to it at the pile and For the first two days It was search and rescue operations I can tell you when we were there I saw my brothers in their bunker gear and
@adajuggernautWith just a bunker here. Any remains inside were atomized. You know? And it was awkward. It was very awkward because if anyone... It's a Gen Xer. And excuse me if I get emotional here. When you're little kids and you went to the supermarket, you remember there's a very distinct smell that... You had when you went by the meat section.
@adajuggernautIt was like a sweet smell. Not off-putting, but a sweet smell. But you don't have it there because everything's wrapped up now. That's what it smelled like. And the thing is, you couldn't identify where it was. It was just dust everywhere. When we were doing our recovery operations, I found a heart. I found a dick. We found a finger.
@adajuggernautWait, wait, did you say a heart and a dick? Yes.
@malleusigYou found a human heart.
@adajuggernautYes, yes. And so, I'm not trying to be funny or facetious here, but when those members and those people were buried, that's what you had in those caskets after the DNA analysis proved that, because that's how horrific it was. There were no identifiable human remains. So human bodies were just blown apart into pieces, is what you're saying?
@adajuggernautAtomized. Atomized. That's not normal. Like I said, I found whole platoons of firemen with their gear empty. Like the uniforms were empty? The protective clothing, the helmet, empty. Because of the... The impact of it, that's what happened. It wasn't just an explosion, it was that collapse. It was that horrific and that impactful that there was very little biological material.
@malleusigThat sounds like more than just a collapse then.
@adajuggernautNo, it makes sense. In the magnitude of what it was, it makes sense. I mean, if you sit there and you think about it, if you have...
@adajuggernautI'm not trying to make light of it. If you sit there and you take a ketchup, a ketchup packet, you know, we all did this as kids at lunchtime. When you sit there and you smack it on the table, the packet's there, but what's inside of it? The ketchup sprays out. Right. Okay, that's what happened to human beings. That's what happened to firemen.
@adajuggernautRight.
@malleusigThat's what I'm telling you. But that sounds to me, that sounds like more of the effect of a ballistics strike than a simple building collapse.
@adajuggernautWell, if they're in there, that's part of it with the weight of the building, whatever. But what I can tell you is our official response, Pennsylvania 1, USAR, Urban Search and Rescue Team, came up two days later. That was the official response. and they went to building seven which was still intact and after you know you have two the main workload is on the two towers you know the two piles as we call them they cleared and i'm not sure the other uh company that was with them but they were under the they were deployed under fema not not under our banner um
@adajuggernautThat was a controlled demolition. Building 7 was a controlled demolition because it was deemed to be unstable, which was always bizarre to me. And looking back two decades later, right after that, there was an independent film called Loose Change. I remember that, yeah. And I grabbed it. This is back when you had bootleg CDs, DVDs, whatever, physical media.
@adajuggernautAnd I brought it in the firehouse. And my guys know I was there, but none of them wanted to entertain it from a different objective. Now, mind you, my guys, most of them weren't there. They went to the funerals. We had about maybe six months of funerals because that's what we do. That's how we pay homage. Firefighter dies in another state, line of duty death.
@adajuggernautWe got to the point where we're running out of people to attend funerals. And these funerals, like I said, were full caskets with like a finger or a DNA swab and ear or whatever with closed caskets. And this is after they were identified. But that's what we did. But going forward, you know, just looking at how things are going now, and believe me, on day two, I was literally 30 feet away from Bush when he sat there and said, you know, and I forget the chief, the battalion chief that said, we can't hear you.
@adajuggernautHe said, it doesn't matter because the people that knocked down these buildings are soon going to hear from all of us. I was a neocon. I was a Republican that day. And I've been a registered independent my entire life. But that galvanized our country. But for the wrong reason. Because all of a sudden, it's not the people who knocked down these towers.
@adajuggernautIt's the yellow cake in Iraq. Wait, what? Explain.
@adajuggernautNow we sit there, the dancing Israelis, it all makes perfect sense to me, man. You know, and it's like, I didn't understand why I was a young, at the time I was a young 20-something, but now it makes perfect sense. And I don't want to hijack the space, you know, but I do want to just give you some firsthand knowledge of that day.
@adajuggernautAll right. All right, thanks a lot. Because people need to know.
@malleusigYeah, definitely.
Ian MalcolmAnd just out of curiosity, so really quickly, Highlander, and I'm just kind of curious, is there any, because some of the commentary in there obviously I'm sure would be very...
Ian MalcolmThat sounds pretty good to me. Anybody is welcome to go and look that information up and verify. And again... And that's... Hold on. And to be more specific, that's USAR.
@adajuggernautwhich is urban search and rescue, and that's under the FEMA banner. So New York is New York one, whatever. Whatever state the FEMA's USAR is, which is their elite urban search and rescue team for a major disaster, hurricane, whatever, that's their call sign. The call sign is a state and one. And that's how they're deployed.
Ian MalcolmWonderful. And I'm glad that you shared that because, again, I think it just gives credibility, of course, to what you were just sharing. And I say that just because in the World Wide Web, you never know what you stumble upon, right?
@adajuggernautAgreed. And you know what? I mean, I'm not trying to dox myself, even though I'm very discoverable. But I've been around these spaces. Those who knew me knew who I am, you know. And I don't talk about my profession. I don't talk about a lot of things except silly shit. But I've recently learned in the last five years there's a difference between a Zionist and a Jew.
@adajuggernautAnd I never grew up that way. And these spaces, especially after what happened on October 7th, really helped me find clarity with that. And in my personal circles, I have that conversation that is so hard to have without being Labeled anti-Semitic. You know, and I have with my own children, you know, I still have to have that conversation with them.
@adajuggernautLike you have to really thread the needle when it comes to things. I mean, you have genocides going on that have been orchestrated for decades. But you're friends with their parents. For example, my my daughter. I'm sorry, October 7th. She received calls from
@adajuggernautMy daughter's school.
@joann_marieYou don't have to.
@adajuggernautHold on. Give me 20 seconds. Just please.
Ian MalcolmI say this to protect you. It's probably best to share as little information as you need to.
@adajuggernautNo, no, no. It's fine. 20 seconds. So when my daughter was a sophomore at my Amarado, which is a prominent high school, okay, Friend Central, there was an assembly meeting where there was a... Well-known Palestinian activists who spoke to the children during the assembly. The two teachers that facilitated that were fired on behalf of the parents of other Zionist children.
@adajuggernautAnd you can look at it right now. You can Google it, Friends Central. All right, let's see.
@malleusigLet's go to Darrell real quick.
@darelllemailvcDarrell, yeah? Yeah, I just threw my hand up when I heard the brother basically saying, Ian asked a question, and it wasn't to have the brother dox himself. It was just a simple verification of where you were on that day. Do you have proof? But I did not want... We do not need to dox each other on this application and in these spaces.
@darelllemailvcAnd so that's the only reason why I threw my hand up, because I did not want... Mr. Highlander
Ian MalcolmAll right, all right, great. And please stay up here, Highlander, because especially given that this is some of the testimony directly from the first responders, it'll be nice to have you in here and maybe be able to challenge anything or add color to it. And lots of love for coming up and sharing that story. And again, I didn't mean to sound, what's the word?
Ian MalcolmUnaccepting of... Yeah, it's just...
@adajuggernautListen, man.
@malleusigWe get so many... You don't hear the phrase, I found a dick, very often.
@adajuggernautBut I get it. This is the internet. You get all kinds of weirdos. Ian, you know, Truth Teller, you know, you guys do your thing. And we've been raised under a different lens. But these guys are right in their perception of reality. And in my middle age, you know, I'm red-pilled. you know not by media but by my own eyewitness accounts you know and that's why i'm in these spaces and i like i said i wouldn't i've been in these spaces for years i wouldn't speak on something that i don't don't know firsthand you know and this is something that i do know firsthand and i know that that narrative
@adajuggernautwas a bait and switch. It's just starting to come out right now. And my peers are still realizing that right now.
@adajuggernautAll right, excellent.
@malleusigWell, better late than never. Definitely for all this kind of thing. Why don't we do this? Because I have been wanting an excuse to push some interesting music. There is a... Where is Joey's deck? So there is a guy called Joey Good, which has put out some amazing, amazing music. Ian, what do you think we do? A quick interlude and we just play one of Joey's songs for the audience.
Ian MalcolmI love that idea. And everybody, Joey Good. I want to give everybody a white pill here. and also some motivation to continue doing whatever piece of the puzzle you feel you can do best. And I say that because Joey had been making content for years at this point. He had been largely doing so anonymously. He had been creating all kinds of music and entertainment via the puppets and other animations that he does.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say it because when we did that space with him, I don't even know if he had 10,000 followers on X. and he's now if i'm not mistaken 25 to 30 000 something in that ballpark and uh and we spoke with him the if i'm not mistaken the first of this month right so in less than a month he's not only doubled but maybe even tripled or quadrupled the size of his x handle uh and it's because that one video that he made has gone quasi viral he's since had another one of his videos
Ian MalcolmAnd I've gotten this same email where it said that his other video that for anybody who hasn't, I don't know if this is the one you're going to play, Rabbi, but the anti-Semitic song that is now banned across the entirety of the EU. And he shared it and he said it's not even, that's like one of his very tame ones. It's extremely tame.
Ian MalcolmThere's nothing in it. It's very tame. But I say all of this just to show the power that we have When we stand together and when we share, let's say, meaningful ideas, and whether it is Joey, who, again, his account has grown exponentially, and I'm so glad that he's finally getting the recognition that he deserved. And also, I'll just say that I saw the video floating around.
Ian MalcolmI think Truth Troll was the one who shared it. Lots of love to him. I think he has 200 plus thousand followers on X. But he shared it independent of any tags with Joey. And I saw Leonardo then tagged Joey. I know I did. Many others did. And I just want to say that that's what we need to be doing. Just like with this video, we're, of course, giving all the credit and encouragement for people to support the source material.
Ian MalcolmWe should do that with all of us as well so that we can build up this kind of, you know, intellectual army or spiritual army. And that whenever anybody gets knocked down like parody Jeff did. We're able to resurrect Rabbi Jeff, right? And so let's keep just doing these things as a unit, and we will keep growing, and I will always do everything I can, and I hope everybody else does the same, to try and build up everybody kind of uniformly, right?
Ian MalcolmBecause we really do. And Joey's account is going to face the exact same type of suppression. Now that he got that label in the EU, his reach is going to get tanked. So what I'll do is I'll put the, I was going to play the one about conspiracy theorists being right all the time, but
@malleusigAnd since that one is in the news recently and it's very interesting, I'll put the one up and I'll play that one and then we can play the other one later, I think, because they're both absolute fire. Here we go.
@malleusigAnd they're good songs, too.
Speaker 13Do you see the girls? They're anti-Semitic Do you see the girls? They're anti-Semitic They're anti-Semitic They're anti-Semitic Do you hear the trees? They're anti-Semitic Do you hear the birds? They're anti-Semitic Do you see the sound?
Speaker 13Do you see the grass? It's antisemitic Do you see the clouds? They're antisemitic Do you see the sky? It's antisemitic It's antisemitic It's antisemitic
@malleusigThat song got banned. Think about that for a minute. That song got banned in Europe. There was nothing in that song. There was no slurs. There were no aspersions cast on Jewish people. Nothing. It was just the word anti-Semitic over and over again. And they're like, nope, nope, nope. Our democracies cannot handle this song.
@malleusigWe need to make it illegal to play. That is how crazy things have gotten in Europe. Anyway, all right, let's go back to the documentary.
Ian MalcolmIsn't it also, let's say it's demonstrative of how impactful things can be without being radical, right? Yeah. The thing they would fear above anything else isn't somebody running around saying all these very... I suppose elaborate things about scheming and planning and bringing disaster to, no, no, no. People creating content that is edgy, interesting, catchy, that could prospectively garner millions of people who say, well, that's kind of funny.
Ian MalcolmThat's kind of interesting. Yeah. Right. That at the same time carries just attention to the problem. because they're even saying, oh, it's anti-Semitic, it's anti-Semitic, it's anti-Semitic, right? You would think that that, well, what's wrong with it, right? He's pulling out anti-Semitism. He's poking fun. That's exactly right.
Ian MalcolmHe's poking fun at this power structure, and that's the thing. That's why my pinned tweet is banned in most European countries because I'm pointing to the power structure, right? That's what we just need to do is just say, hey, look at that thing over there. Thank you for watching, and I'll see you next time.
Ian MalcolmYeah, he is. And it's worth noting for anybody that did not join for the space that we did with him, all of the puppetry work that he does is in front of a green screen. So it's not like he's just saying, do this with AI and make the puppet and all that. He films the whole thing with a green screen, with puppets that he makes.
Ian MalcolmAnd then he creates the music and he doesn't just put the music into AI. That's another thing that's worth watching. He has a video that's up right now on his background. He used to do vocal tracks where he would sing Thank you so much for being here.
Ian MalcolmI mean, Rabbi, I think between him, we're going to do the space with Where Forbidden this week that I'm unbelievably excited for. I'm so psyched about that.
@malleusigI have so many questions.
Ian MalcolmHe made Magatard. Like, that word was flying around, but now everybody can close their eyes and think of who is Magatard and they can picture that character. He's created an internet phenom. It's really, it's unbelievable. And so between him and Joey and Dank and Vilek and yourself, right? Like if you think about what we're building, it's just, we're unstoppable.
Ian MalcolmWe really are. We just got to keep doing what we're doing and to just keep speaking the truth. I know you just saw speaking of the commenter that noted to Jeff Goldblum and said, hey, did you notice this person is using your likeness for dot, dot, dot? No, it's Ian Malcolm. And I... Trust me, I made sure when this started to grow that I checked with all of the loopholes that would be prospectively available to say that it is likeness and all.
Ian MalcolmNope, nope. It's a non-trademarked character that is fictional. There is nothing remotely wrong. If I said I was Mickey Mouse, prospectively, they could come after that and say that that's a trademark character and all those other kind of things. Mickey Mouse is in public domain now, isn't he? Well, maybe it is in public domain.
Ian MalcolmI know it would have been. And my point is that you can trademark or copyright specific characters that obviously have prominent value that does not apply to a fictional character in a movie. Right. At least not one in this context. But it just goes to show, right, how desperate they are. They go to X and they say, oh, this is it.
Ian MalcolmAnd speaking of the song, this is anti-Semitic, right? And X is like, well, no, it's... It's actually not, it's just truth. And so then they're like, oh, let's go to the EU law. And they're like, well, I mean, we would, but we can't because this doesn't break anything. So now they're trying anything. They're going to go to Jeff Goldblum.
Ian MalcolmHey, did you know Ian Mount? Go yell about this, right? We are winning in spades. I want everybody to know that. And I'm really glad that we've got such wonderful, speaking of wonderful friends, I see another one that's in the listener panel. I don't know if he can come up and join us. But talk about heroic voices and this continued community that we are building.
Ian MalcolmIt's unbelievable what is happening. And to think that in this very space, right, we have not only individuals, Rabbi, like yourself, that have made pieces of content that have gone incredibly viral on the subject, but we just opened a space and without even knowing it, we have an individual that was literally a 9-11 first responder on the panel with us.
Ian MalcolmThe extremism, violent speech, all of these things
@malleusigWe don't eschew them because we have some kind of moral trepidude or we're not ready to do it or because it's prohibited. We eschew them because they're not effective. These people are not afraid of extremist speech. They want it. They love it. They go to bed and they masturbate to people hating them with violent speech.
@malleusigTo turn someone who knows how to wear a nice suit and speak English to a camera into a supervillain. And so that's why I always, at every chance that I get, I always say to people, take the moderate tack. Be calm, be reasoned, do your homework, take notes, and make interesting and fun content. Have fun doing this. Don't start talking about getting rid of people.
@malleusigDon't talk about putting people in ovens. Don't talk about expelling people. All of this, it's not only going to hurt you, It's not going to work and it feeds them. This is what they go home and have sexual fantasies about being put back into cattle cars, okay? If we were to go to an Israeli bookstore and look in the erotic fiction section, I guarantee you we're going to find a bodice ripper about Nazis ripping, you know, basically pulling Jewish women into camps and having, let's just say,
@malleusigSteamy romances with them, all right? It's not good. It's not healthy to give them this. Give them what is actually going to push back on their insane assertions. Have fun, all right? Make something fun, interesting with Muppets, all right? Like Joey's doing, which is fantastic. All right, let's do this. Let's go back to the documentary, and I will be careful.
@malleusigI will not play too much of it. I know, Ian, you mentioned that we don't want to play too much of it because obviously it takes away any incentive for anyone to actually go and rent it. So I'm going to skip ahead a little bit and see if I find something else that's interesting.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And while you are, I just want to reset the stage of the room for everybody that might have come in and is not aware. So we are giving kind of an homage to the latest documentary that just dropped entitled 9-11 Responders. It is done specifically to try and call out that the first responders that were there that day, there are multiple of them who give not only credence to, but also directly suggest some kind of explosives that were going off inside the building, or at least that is the presumption.
Ian MalcolmThat's what we've been kind of led to thus far. They also made commentary at the offset about the, let's say the needs of the American empire to create a justification for additional war, right? So they're setting the stage for that this was not merely about airplanes and fires and jet fuel and all those other things. And so what we're doing is we played the trailer for it.
Ian MalcolmWe played a couple little seconds at the intro, also a little bit in the midpoint. We then had the honor of having Highlander up here with us, who was a first responder at 9-11 and was giving kind of his firsthand experience. and we're going to continue getting essentially little teaser blips that are throughout and of course would encourage individuals to go and to not only support the project but also the people behind it to rent that video themselves and to watch the entirety of that documentary if they have the financial and let's say the time ability to do so excellent all right here we go guys tonight the franklin square and munson
@malleusigFire District is going to entertain a resolution in support of a new federal grand jury investigation into the events of 9-11. The picture and the turnout gear you see before you belong to firefighter Thomas Hetzel of the Hook and Ladder Company of the Franklin Square Munson Fire Department who was killed in the line of duty.
@malleusigI placed this memorial here so people could put a face to the name and they could see that what he looked like and they could see that he had a daughter and it's something that you know what this this way people could connect with who Tommy was he's not just a name and he's not just a number he was part of our department you know we loved him dearly and you know we're gonna fight for justice for him and for everybody else who was killed on 9 11.
@malleusigMy plan is this. I want to get the support of the fire service, the volunteer fire service. Being firemen and first responders, the elected officials and the politicians, if we bring this before them and put pressure on them to go forward with the grand jury investigation, they will. They don't have a choice. They're not going to ignore the volunteers.
Speaker 8There is.
Speaker 8Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 14Salute to the flag, led by Chief Salzman.
@malleusigI pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
@adajuggernautI'd all remain standing for a moment of silence for the department members, the men and women in the armed service.
@malleusigAs they're showing the firefighters going in. Three hundred and forty-three fellow firefighters. Tommy O'Hagan, Bruce Van Hines, Kenny Kumpel. I can never forget them. Those were role models, role models for me. Gone just like that. They came in like something after nine. That's why there were so many firemen there. Because they doubled up and changed shifts, right?
@malleusigIf it was like an hour before, Well, an hour later, half those firemen wouldn't have been there, but they'd have been home and everything. But since they were there, everybody just doubled up and everything. That's why four trucks lost the whole house. The battalion, the engine, the whole house, the whole battalion. Rescue one, enough one.
@malleusigCaptain Greffel, he drove Father Mike. When Father Mike came over and needed a ride, he drove Father Mike down there. He told him, he said, the guys, you're going to be careful. He said, the firemen's going to die today. and he wound up passing away.
@malleusigOh, so many different guys, man. Kathy's probably the reason why I became a sergeant. He was an awesome, awesome sergeant. He was almost like a best friend. All these guys and here. I would have been with all of them and they all perished with Sergeant Coffers.
Speaker 6That's the four of us. Who's the guy in the middle?
@malleusigThat's Timmy.
Speaker 6That's Timmy.
@malleusigThat's Timmy. Timmy got so badly sick he couldn't breathe anymore. He was drowning in his own fluids. Yeah. And he didn't have the money for the medication. Right. The last time he was here, he said to me that evening, Cap, I don't want to live anymore. I said, Timmy, don't be like that. Whatever you need, I have it or I give it to you.
@malleusigHe said, no, Cap. They always called me Cap. I don't want to live here anymore.
Speaker 4He ended up choking on his own body. Fluid.
Speaker 9How many firefighters and EMTs do you guys know who have died since 9-11?
@malleusigToo many to count. I wouldn't even guess because they are still dying.
@malleusigSo this is incredibly sad. I'm going to fast forward a little bit because I'm looking for new revelations that we can kind of like share. The team. And while I'm doing that, just feel free to jump in and share anything that you want to.
Ian MalcolmWell, and why don't we why don't we go around? I know we got some individuals up here in the room with us and kind of curious, Mandy, if you've got any thoughts, JoAnn, Darell, Highlander or Bobby?
@malleusigI see we got lots of them.
@joann_marieThank you. I'm learning so much and I see Austin Franco in the listeners. I hope he comes up and says hi. Darell? Go for it.
@darelllemailvcYeah, concerning 9-11, I find it awkwardly, it's just like super strange that, what was it, Howard Lutnick, who was what, like 101 through 105 of the World Trade Center, and he just so happened to miss We already know this common knowledge and understand where Mr. [guest] is coming from. We're looking for new information.
@darelllemailvcWe know at this point. They keep trying to pull the wool over our heads, but we're not going to allow it. We're going to band together. We're going to put aside our petty differences, and we're going to come together and beat this supremacy from one ethno-religious state that tends to want to put their knee on our neck, proverbially speaking.
@darelllemailvcAnd so that's the only thing that I can say at this point, at this interlude. And so thank you.
Speaker 14Amazing. Thank you so much, Darell. All right. Bobby Fischer, welcome.
Speaker 14Bobby?
@bobbyfischer_gmWhat's up, Bobby? Yeah. Sorry about that. I was in the middle of making a post. Thank you so much, JoAnn, and thanks for having me, Ian. Great to be here. I just wanted to make a quick comment about this whole 9-11 thing real quick. This is kind of my thesis and it kind of ties into a lot of other topics too, not just this one, but it's that the truth has always been out here from the beginning.
@bobbyfischer_gmA lot of the facts that we're talking about right now and a lot of the work that's been done by great people was already done from the start. The reason that there hasn't been, tragically, there hasn't been an actual mass awakening on this, potentially until now, and even now, is not because the information isn't there.
@bobbyfischer_gmIt's because of apathy. A combination of apathy and people not wanting to live in a scary world. And so they just want to pretend that the world is not scary. They want to...
@bobbyfischer_gmGo ahead, Rabbi.
@malleusigNo, I was going to read. And what you've highlighted is a psychological phenomenon that doesn't just limit itself to this. It goes into COVID. It goes into the Iraq war, the Iran war. It goes into Palestine. It goes into everything we've been seeing over the past five, six years, maybe, right? There are two kinds of approaching, two ways of approaching the world.
@malleusigOne is you approach the world as it is and you deal with it. The other one is you pretend the world is as you want it to be and you move forward based on that. And a lot of the problems we're having these days is because the first group is having to deal with the second group. The second group is preventing people from actually dealing with the world as it is, unfortunately.
@malleusigAnd that's very sad. And I think we need to highlight that more often. It's fantastic. Thank you for bringing that up.
@bobbyfischer_gmAbsolutely. And I'm going to make one other comment. And this may not be the space for it also, but I really wanted to have a dialogue with Ian about... Ian, you made a recent post that might have even been today where you were talking about how probably less than 10% of ex-accounts on here that are talking about controversial stuff like you talk about is like an actual person who's genuine and is honest about just the...
@bobbyfischer_gmI really wanted to... I suspect we already are kind of on the same page about the heuristics or the intuition or the strategies that we use to identify who's genuine and who's not. You know, I honestly trust my intuition, listening to people's voices, trying to gather the...
@bobbyfischer_gmI don't know who you are, but listening to the way that you think through problems, that is kind of all I care about in some sense. And it doesn't mean I even agree with necessarily all your views and we're always going to have our differences. But if I'm learning from someone, if I'm...
@bobbyfischer_gmThere's also a whole bunch of seemingly bad actors, seemingly, I don't want to name too many names right now, but people who are taking an interest in me and talking about me in their spaces. I showed you some silly screenshots of people saying things and I'm like, I don't even know who the fuck these people are or have said a word about them and they're already tracking me.
@bobbyfischer_gmI don't know what's going on, but just wading through the cesspool. Thank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThe idea of anybody listening to anything that we said at all, that was kind of weird. We were like, hey, we got six people that want to talk about kind of Jewish overrepresentation with us. And then JQ Radio made that maybe 60 people. There was one point where there were three different spaces simultaneously being hosted where people were talking about myself and Truth Teller in particular.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's like, okay, so the ideas have gotten so far out that now they're talking about the author, which to be blunt, at almost every single turn, every time that has happened, the people doing so, I put them into the bucket of I no longer trust or care about anything that you say. And the reason is because I really do try to get along nicely in this little sandbox with anybody and everybody that will just address the problems, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so I don't care if they're, it's like Michael Jackson, if you're black or white, right? Like I couldn't, I'm indifferent. What I want is people that are willing to just say, this is a problem. We need to all come together and talk about it and make the world. Heal the world. A better place for you and for me, as the King of Pop would say, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so that's what's all very strange. And it's just like with Joey Good's video. I mean, talk about a guy that I believe is completely sincere in what he's doing. Joey's a wonderful example of precisely that. You can feel it in his presentation, right? There's other people that kind of manifest that sincerity different ways.
Ian MalcolmBut it is. Anybody that's up... and he's not trying to just contribute to this endeavor. Right? Truth teller gets attacked way more than I do. And I'm sure everybody's seeing the different ways in which people go about doing that. And yet every single day he holds his spaces once or twice a week that are on health and wellness and everything else is about the Iran conflict and any subject where he can really do a deep dive, which was on the Epstein client list.
Ian MalcolmIt was on all the various technology companies. He goes in and he really does research and he just puts it on the table and he says, look at this stuff that I found, make of it what you will, and maybe let's talk about how this is a problem. That's basically what he does. It's kind of what I do and we do it in slightly different ways because he's very, and I love that about this dynamic.
Ian MalcolmHe is usually very focused on current events and I tend to look at the, let's say the past and the present and to try and understand what the future is that comes out of that, right? And so I'm usually talking about a subject, an event, Some history. He's talking about what is going on today and how does that impact kind of this continued evolution of the very thing that I talk about the history of, right?
Ian MalcolmSo the two of us, I really like that that blend is there. At no point has Truth Teller ever in any capacity taken some shot at me that I was like, well, that was kind of weird. We have areas that we disagree on, right? Topics that we don't see completely eye to eye on. But not once has he ever said, oh, I'm going to try and trip this guy up.
Ian MalcolmAnd there's other people that have been along those exact same lines. And some of them are bigger accounts, smaller accounts. I would point to somebody like Zach Logos, who goes by the handle LogosRevealed. He's much more of a hardcore, I guess you'd call him maybe a, I don't want to say white nationalist, but he's much more focused on kind of the racial, the ethnic identities.
Ian MalcolmHe certainly puts forward wonderful content on the... What he once described as the curative value of national socialism, right? I got differences of opinions with that guy, but he never once tried to trip me. And in fact, in some of the spaces with the, and to give you a contrast, with the white nationalist spaces, they used to go by 1488, right?
Ian MalcolmThose people, all they wanted to do was to convince me to dox myself or trip me up and say that this message of just trying to unify with people was not going to be successful. Almost everybody that was part of that is now gone. They're irrelevant, right? Some of them perhaps have been documented to have some questionable ties, right?
Ian MalcolmI could do the exact same thing with not only the 1488 folks. I could do it with the FBA folks. I can do it with the folks that are the anti-Abrahamic religion folks. I saw a very curious piece of news. I don't like to try and dock people, but I saw a curious piece of news that would affirm not only as one person that I've kind of thought might be subversive in that element, but another one, maybe like the
Ian MalcolmYou think of them as their number two general might also be part of the exact same dynamic. And so I look at this and it's like, okay, so the 1488 folks, the FBA folks, the anti Abrahamic folks, and what do all of them have in common? They all want to fight with us about us. They don't want to, they don't want to try and advance any cause, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd you go into the FBA rooms and I'll never forget this because I used to go into those in all sincerity because cultivating was her name. She would invite me in there. Very lovely woman. And she would invite me to her rooms all the time because I like to talk about racial dynamics and genetics and IQ and all these other things.
Ian MalcolmI do enjoy sometimes stirring the pot, not to cause fights, but just because I think there's some really uncomfortable truths people don't like to talk about. And I'm like, hey, I'll do that, right? And I'll be the punching bag for the low IQ slurs that they want to toss in my direction. But even in the FBA rooms, I would just go in and say, hey, guys, I think black and white people, we should...
Ian MalcolmCompletely indifferent to this subject. They say, oh no, Jews are white people when you try and talk about this. But the biggest one amongst them, the head of the FBA movement, literally is married to a Jew. Isn't that weird, right? So I say it because at every one of these turns, it's like, okay, so again, going back to Zach Logos, who I mentioned a little bit ago, he used to say it like this.
Ian MalcolmThere is clearly a king of the hill. For anybody that played that game, it is the Jewish supremacists. And when you're trying to go up and to build a coalition of people to go up and say, we're done living under this regime, we're going to build something that's better for everybody, that's loving of everyone. And then you notice that the people that are trying to march up the hill with you are stabbing you in the side.
Ian MalcolmIt's like, well, you're either too dumb to be a value or you're too subversive for me to trust you. But either way, I'm not going to care anymore. And so what have we done? We continue moving forward with the people that are willing to just call out the obvious. And so when we have people come in here, there's some really easy giveaways because there's people that try to slither in and to blend into the crowd.
Ian MalcolmAnd then people like David Nietzsche will say, was it a genocide of the Palestinians? And the people, they go, well, it's like, okay, now we see you. It's very obvious, right? When you see, you have people come in and we say, hey, what group of people have disproportionate control over the media? Well, It's publicly owned companies, right?
Ian MalcolmAll the other stuff. So it's very, you can lay out, like, I could probably come up with five questions that you can just put on the table and that people will be able to demonstrate their cards. Because again, it's either topics about Jewish supremacy or it is, hey, look, if right now this is the dynamic. And we can recognize that in the West, diversity has essentially run amok because of the Jewish supremacists.
Ian MalcolmThe only way for us to move the needle forward is to band together with everybody. Are you willing to stop throwing, let's say, inflammatory racial terms and derogatory ones at either white people or black people or whoever, if it will allow us to come together in a way that can first dismantle Jewish supremacy so we can then decide how to go about our lives?
Ian MalcolmThe people that would say no to that, again, They're either too low IQ to recognize the severity of the problem or they're subversive in nature. And so you see these things play out over and over and over again. And then you look at us the last little piece. I've talked about this actually with David, right? The other weird part, right?
Ian MalcolmI try to share anything and everything that people put out that is, that I think is going to be beneficial to moving this needle forward. You know what I find really weird? There are very, very, very few accounts that have ever done that with any of the content that I've put out or truth tellers put out or a whole bunch of other people have put out.
Ian MalcolmAnd I find that really odd. People like Jake Shields, I'll give him total kudos because he reshared a while back the thread that I did on the Bolsheviks, right? There are people that I do think are sincere and they're willing to lift up other accounts. There are others that almost, it feels like they're trying to block us out, which is really weird.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThere's no part of me that would look at something that David would put out and say, well, I mean, if I share one of David's wonderful segments, then maybe it will make me look less interesting. No, I want the best things. Put them to the top of the totem pole for everybody to see. But there's a lot of other handles that seem indifferent to that.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I just say it because when you look out at the landscape, how do you trust people? Look at the ones that have been completely on message or on brand for a long time. If they ever veered way off topic of their overarching worldviews, that's one easy giveaway. And there's a whole group of people from the 1488 world that were all about racial purity.
Ian MalcolmThey hated anybody that didn't believe in their racial identity. And then out of nowhere, they were like, actually, we hate Jesus Christ more. So anybody and everybody, I don't care what color you are, let's just go hate on Christians, right? That's weird. Yeah, what the heck was that all about? Well, I'll let everybody figure it out.
Ian MalcolmI don't like to call out people individually. But I actually think what it was was that that group of ideologues, and I apologize for this long rant, but that group, I really believe 1488 was designed. That was a Fed operation. I'm not saying that the people in it are Feds because I don't know. But what it feels like to me is it was an operation run by the you-know-whos so that anybody that would talk about Jewish supremacy would
@joann_marieOh no, did he cut out?
@bobbyfischer_gmYes, he did. You guys cut out.
@joann_marieOh, he's got us amazing. Ian, are you back?
@bobbyfischer_gmIan, are you there?
@malleusigI can't hear him. He's right, though. He's right, though. Anything that seems overtly hateful or plays into these old established kind of like extremist tropes, be very, very suspicious of it because most likely it's just being used to libel people and groups. Go ahead, Ian, you back? Maybe. Is this working?
Ian MalcolmYes. I don't know where it cut off. It cut off probably at the 1488 thing, hopefully.
@malleusig1488, yeah.
Ian MalcolmYeah, so I think it was designed to bring people into a little radical echo chamber. And for what it's worth, three or four years ago, that was one of the only places I could go in and be like, hey, guys, you know, I've noticed this weird pattern of control and involves talking about Jews. I don't know if you guys are cool with that.
Ian MalcolmAnd they would be like, oh, yeah, we just like to blah, blah, blah. It was all about just hating people. And you have people that would go up on the panel, and the first thing that they would do is to basically say like, um, whopper! It sounded like something out of Clayton Bigsby. Dave Chappelle. It was such a joke and a larp, right?
Ian MalcolmSo you get all these people and you move them into that little obscure echo chamber and they say all these radical things. It doesn't matter what accurate statements you make about Jewish supremacy, you become irrelevant to the overarching Overton window, right? So instead, what I tried and wanted to do was to say, let's bring this conversation to the masses.
Ian MalcolmSo I use that as an example, right, of how these operations are designed to to minimize and suppress what we're doing. And we know that they do that because they use suppression and censorship on the app. Then within it, you've got a whole bunch of propped up fake voices that'll talk about their little thing. So the way to think about this is maybe the best, at least in my opinion, is think about the information superhighway as a highway, right?
Ian MalcolmYou've got CNN and MSNBC and Fox News, and these are all major lanes of the highway. All the cars are flying down it. And that's the information for the average person to consume. Then what they do because they recognize there are some people that are going to say, I don't subscribe to that either because they're radical or they're crazy or they're rebels or they're revolutionaries.
Ian MalcolmAnd so the system has to give them off ramps. And so Tucker Carlson becomes an off ramp. Candace Owens becomes an off ramp. Tim Pool becomes an off ramp. Ben Shapiro becomes. They want a million little off roads that at the end of the day all connect back. So what we do all together is completely abort from the whole thing.
Ian MalcolmWe just zoom up. We become like Doc Brown and our car develops wheels and we take off into the sky with our little neon Ray-Bans or whatever it was. And we look down at the highway and we see, oh, I get it now. I see how this is all a ruse. So that's what we've basically done once you recognize Jewish supremacy. Just like Neo at the end of the movie, you eject yourself into the solar system, let's say.
Ian MalcolmAnd so that's what they want to do. That's what all those voices are there for. And I really do believe that if you look at the biggest influencers, even within our own community that talk about Jewish supremacy or Jewish privilege and power, there's probably a massive chunk of them, as unfortunate as it sounds, probably even many that I follow.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmIf I wanted to a long time ago, I could have been like, hey, this seems like a bad idea. I could grow my account way better and not get suppressed and censored. Maybe I should just go talk about liberal and Democrat and Republican stuff. No, we're talking about the real stuff, right? So just look for people that are on brand, that are on message, that don't just randomly pivot on a dime.
Ian MalcolmLook for those that don't pick the fights. And that's why I know that there's lots of reasons we could critique all kinds of people, right?
Ian MalcolmWhat is it? E Magazine. I take all of that and I just push it out into the garbage bin, right? Ignore all of that. It's all in the fray and it's all designed to trip you up. It is nothing but minutia, right? We got to keep moving downfield, move the ball further and further, bring more people into our little band of misfits, and then we become essentially unstoppable.
Ian MalcolmSo I don't know about, and I know that was a very long rant. Hopefully it was somewhat interesting for anybody and everybody, but if not, I apologize.
@bobbyfischer_gmIs it okay if I give a quick response to that? I know we have a lot of hands. Go for it. I definitely agree, and I like that rant as you call it. I think it's similar to this principle we've discussed before where the fact of there being so much resistance or chaos or the whole cesspool even existing that you just described,
@bobbyfischer_gmand potential accusations and the Spider-Man meme where everyone's pointing at each other, calling each other feds and masades and all these different things. And so the fact that there is that means that in some sense you're over the target or you're talking about something where there's intense, intense motivation for people to fucking obfuscate it and try to distract it and try to derail it in all these different ways and try to...
@bobbyfischer_gmThe key is always to... Make it look bad, right? Which is, you know, the 1488 group you just described. The goal is always to, and I'm not intimately familiar with it, but I'm a little bit familiar about this stuff. The goal is always to take the truth and make it look bad, make it look hateful, make it look ridiculous.
@bobbyfischer_gmI'm convinced that people like Alex Jones, who has done some good work, I believe, but it's like... They're turning the frogs gay. It's like, make it sound ridiculous. Make it into a joke. Derail it. And that's what we've seen. And like I said, it's really the fruits of what someone is doing that we should judge them by.
@bobbyfischer_gmSo, like I already said, you know, we don't know who each other are, but if we're talking about things that are genuinely... You know, without going into the drama or naming names specifically, I'll just say... I have heard a lot of different people on this app, you know, accuse you and TruthTeller and various other people.
@bobbyfischer_gmAnd they basically say things like, you know, I don't really disagree with what they're saying. Like, I don't think their facts are not true, but I just think they're coming from a disingenuous place or I think that they are doing something, some other thing. And I've been like, okay, that, you know, maybe that's a legitimate concern.
@bobbyfischer_gmI don't know. I'm just some guy who's been listening to Ian for a while. I don't know what the truth is. I think people may have valid perspectives or opinions, and maybe they could be right. I don't know. And so I'm like, well, what disingenuous place are they coming from? And in some spaces, they're just like, oh, I don't want to talk about this.
@bobbyfischer_gmThis is boring. You have to leave, or I'm going to take your mic. And I'm like, okay, so what the fuck are we doing, right? So it's been a struggle to even get some sort of answers. And the other thing I say is, well, if you think he's coming from some disingenuous place, has anyone gone up into his space and just confronted him directly?
@bobbyfischer_gmAnd I don't even need to necessarily ask you that, although you're welcome to answer it, but like, what potential... Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
@joann_marieIan, you're having connection issues, so if it does drop, Ian will open right back and put your notifications on and follow Ian and Rabbi and everyone on the panel. Sorry, go for it, Bobby.
@bobbyfischer_gmYeah, yeah, thanks, Joann. I'll just keep going, but what I was saying is like, you know, if somebody has, if somebody thinks that Ian, or any other individual for that matter, is coming from a disingenuous place or is doing something, I believe that direct confrontation, and not in an aggressive way, just in a direct way, I want to believe that that always leads to the best outcomes.
@bobbyfischer_gmBecause if somebody thinks I'm doing something disingenuous or anybody else, they come and ask me, what's up? Here's what I have to criticize you for. Here's what I want to ask you, or here's what you need to answer for. My ability to answer that and what my response to it is, That should tell the listeners and the audience.
@bobbyfischer_gmThey should judge for themselves. And hopefully intelligent individuals will be able to glean from that interaction. Was the objection valid? Were the arguments well-founded? Was the response valid and truthful? And work out what they think about it at the end of it. And there's also a huge difference between somebody like Ian or anybody else.