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- 0:00Moynihan Report and Black FamiliesThe host introduces the Moynihan Report and its controversial insights into Black family structures.
- 8:53Moynihan's Prescient PredictionsMoynihan's 1960s predictions about Black family dysfunction are eerily accurate today.
- 16:40Critiques of Moynihan's ReportThe report faced accusations of racism and reliance on stereotypes, which are re-examined.
- 25:05Moynihan Defends His ReportAn archival clip shows Moynihan defending his report against accusations of racism and bias.
- 31:55The Importance of Family StructureThe discussion emphasizes the foundational role of family in community and societal well-being.
- 48:33Democrats and Black Community IssuesThe conversation critiques how Democrats address Black community problems, often for political gain.
- 1:05:09Historical Context of GhettoizationThe panel discusses the historical forces that led to the ghettoization of Black communities in America.
- 1:17:25Impact of Single-Parent HouseholdsThe discussion delves into the effects of single-parent households and the importance of work for family stability.
- 1:42:00Family Stability vs. BlacknessThe debate explores whether family stability or 'Blackness' is the primary factor in community success.
- 1:52:36Jewish Influence and White SupremacyThe conversation takes a controversial turn, linking Jewish influence to white supremacy and societal structures.
- 2:14:13Single Motherhood and RealityA personal story highlights the challenges of single motherhood and the role of family support.
The Transcript
@malleusigOkay, starting up the space. I'm going to play some music and then we'll get going. Once people come in, I'm waiting. Ah, Joanne. If you want to come up, I'll send you an invitation. I'm just waiting for our two special guests to arrive. Three special guests. Ian should be coming as well. And then we'll get going. Here comes the music.
@malleusiglooks like we got everybody here uh what's up clemont it looks like i have made you a marie i forgot that i only have two co-hosts so um i can give it to him you want to give it to clemont yeah sure awesome thanks even though i hey joanne hey well hey what's up what's up brother i was saying hello i was saying hello excellent
@malleusigAll right. We got everybody. Hello, sir. Glad to have you guys here.
@malleusigAll right. So today's space is on family matters, specifically in black community. Although this also goes for the rest of the country, too. This isn't just an issue that affects the black community. So we definitely will go over to that.
@malleusigThe thing that I wanted to go over was the Moynihan report, which, although it is cited as a controversial and according to occasional blue-haired weirdo a racist report when you actually read it it is probably one of the wokest things you'll ever read in your life and frankly uh the fact that it was not taken seriously uh is probably the reason for untold suffering in the black community today so uh we can we can go to that uh but i think maybe we'll start out but yeah and also what is it i've never heard of the moini
@malleusigSo the Moynihan Report, let me pull it up. Let me turn this music up. The Moynihan Report is a report, and it isn't titled the Moynihan Report. The Moynihan Report is a kind of indicative report. The title of the report is The Negro Family, the Case for National Action. And this was a 1965 report on black, I'm reading from Wikipedia, on black poverty in the United States.
@malleusigAnd it was written by a man named Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Good Irish boy, right? And he was an American scholar serving as assistant secretary of labor under President Lyndon B. Johnson. Right. Remember, Lyndon B. Johnson, the same guy who said we'll have those ninjas voting for us for 200 years and a future. After this, he became a U.S. senator from New York.
@malleusigAnd I'll just continue on the description of Wikipedia. So Moynihan argued that the rise in black single mother families was caused not by a lack of jobs for men. but by a destructive vein in ghetto culture which could be traced back to the slavery era in the subsequent racial discrimination the american south under jim crow laws i think that i'm going to have a lot of i mean morning didn't have the benefit of living in 2026 and so he was a product of his time and so he was in in many ways i think too gentle with the black community um but we can definitely go over that and discuss it i want to hear all clement and iguanas think about it
@malleusigDid you guys ever, I mean, Nigrodamus, you reacted. You said that this is an important report to discuss when I suggested it. So I'm guessing you read the report as well.
@xanderspeechWeren't talking to me, brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nigrodamus. Oh, yeah, no. One of my brothers had covered the Moynihan report. I haven't read it fully in its full entirety, but my brother did a space on it. by the Talanovaite. And he was speaking specifically about how they pretty much, in the Moynihan report, was talking about how a lot of our communities was fighting back and rebelling and what the uprisings and different things was caused by.
@xanderspeechAnd a lot of the information that was in there is very crucial, but they tried to dismiss the report from what we kind of gathered. So I think that is going to be important to actually show through it. And I guess we could go through it, I guess.
@malleusigwe will we'll go through i mean i'm not going to sit here and read the entire thing yeah of course not we'll go through you know yeah but we'll go through and we'll kind of like read some selections i'll go through um a couple chapters um and excuse me wow sorry guys i'll go through and read a couple chapters uh read some selections in the chapters and we'll see where you go from that all right so essentially moynihan's
@malleusigSo we'll read his kind of like extract from the preface.
@malleusigHe writes, and again, please, nobody throw rocks at me because I'm using the word Negro. It's literally the word that he used in the report. So I'm not going to be an idiot and like censor myself. This is what they used to say back then. And frankly, I think it's a kinder word than BIPOC. I think BIPOC is stupid. The gap between the Negro and most other groups in American society is widening.
@malleusigThe fundamental problem in which this is most clearly the case, is that of family structure. The evidence, not final, but powerfully persuasive, is that the Negro family in the urban ghettos is crumbling. A middle-class group has managed to save itself, but for vast numbers of the unskilled, poorly educated city working class, the fabric of conventional social relationships is all but disintegrated.
@malleusigAnd there is one thing that he pointed out which was extremely prescient. in a letter to Lyndon Johnson later on, he said that without access to jobs and the means to contribute meaningful financial support to a family, black men, get this, black men would become systematically alienated from their roles as husbands and fathers, which would cause rates of divorce, child abandonment, and out-of-wedlock births to skyrocket in the black community.
@malleusigHe wrote this in the 60s, leading to vast increases in the number of households headed by females. Yeah, niggerdoms?
@xanderspeechNo, I was going to say, when you even read this, this is a report that kind of goes in the face of America being oblivious to the effects of what was taking place to the Negro community in America. It actually goes in the face that... A government document was being actually detailed about the effects of the community and what it would look like in the future if nothing was to be done for it.
@xanderspeechAnd I think also with the Moynihan report that was interesting was that they were looking at it because they were responding after the community had already begun to have uprisings, I believe. I think it was around the time, I don't know exactly when, I think it was the 68th? Was it 65? I mean, 1968 or something like that?
@xanderspeechYeah. So around that time... You mean with the riots? Martin Luther King. When did Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, when were they assassinated? Because I'm wondering if some of the riots and tensions were around the same time and if they were for the same reasons or kind of coincided.
@malleusigWell, yeah, it was definitely the 60s when this... Yeah, so he's one of the... Malcolm X was 1965 at... February 21st. So that would have been, that would have been right when this was written. That was in 1965.
@xanderspeechAnd when was King assassinated?
@malleusigKing was assassinated. MLK was assassinated. Oops. Let's see. He was assassinated in 1968. So three years later. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, wow. In the 60s, they were just, they were just whacking people, man. Yeah.
@xanderspeechPolitics was real. Politics was very bloody.
@malleusigOh, yeah. Oh, yeah. League of Kennedy, too, right? It was not a fun decade.
@xanderspeechI agree.
@malleusigYeah. So, yeah. So, this guy, he's saying this in the 60s. And what are we seeing today? We're seeing vast increases in the number of households led by females. And we're seeing widespread child abandonment out of wedlock births, right? Black men alienated from their roles as husband and fathers. Black men in some places don't even seem to see it as a good thing to be a husband or a father at this point.
@malleusigThey see it as the equivalent of being a cuck for a white person, right? Being a sucker. And that's going to cause dysfunction. That attitude toward the family is probably the fastest way to ensure that your population becomes dysfunctional and your your children have very little future.
@malleusigClemont, you want to jump in? Any opinions or feedback?
Speaker 1Hey, how's it going, everybody? Yeah, it's crazy. I've been reading over it kind of throughout the day today and yesterday, the whole report here. And it's just crazy, I found, how many parallels we have. Just reading the report, you could take the dates off and put 2026, maybe even any year in the 2000s, and it would kind of apply in the same fashion.
Speaker 1But yeah, he was definitely ahead of his time. And even just reading through a lot of different reports and people's reactions to it at the time, it seemed like he got a lot of pushback. And it seemed like it wasn't a popular... thing to say at the time uh kind of reminds me of pretty much what all of us say on our twitter profiles but uh yeah very interesting report and i look forward to going through this tonight and good to see everybody here yeah so in terms of the pushback that i got um it says here critics accused moynihan of relying on stereotypes with black family and black men
@malleusigImplying that blacks had inferior academic performance. We know that's not an implication. That's the truth. We haven't measured. Portraying crime and pathology as endemic to the black community. But we know it's not only happening in the black community, but we know a heck of a lot more is happening in the black community.
@malleusigAnd failing to recognize that cultural bias in standardized tests had contributed to apparent lower achievement by blacks in school. This is the one that really gets me. This line that you hear. apparently you heard in the 60s, but you still hear today, cultural bias in standardized tests. Now, I've never been able to understand this.
@malleusigMaybe Clemon, Nicodemus, you guys help me figure this out. What exactly is biased about filling in circles on a piece of paper?
Speaker 1I don't think it's the, are you talking about like an employment application?
@malleusigNo, standardized testing in the schools.
Speaker 1Oh, I see.
@malleusigYou know, you take those tests, number two pencil, you fill in the, you know, A, B, C, D. The little dot.
Speaker 1Fill in the circles, yeah.
Speaker 1I don't think it's bias. I think people use the results to be biased, but I don't think the test in itself and requesting that is bias.
@malleusigThat's interesting. Yeah, I don't understand this accusation about tests being biased. It's not like people are writing tests about, you know, the questions are like, you know, IBM was at $65 on Thursday and somebody decided to short sell it to 35 on Tuesday. And, you know, where would you where would you buy it again?
@malleusigWe're not people are asking black kids in schools questions about their their parents yachts or anything. Right. So I never understood this accusation at all. But I am interested to hear how you think it's being used in a biased way.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1Bias doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, in my opinion. You can use bias to be biased towards people who do well on the test. That's not necessarily like you being racist or being biased in a negative way. You're just being biased because you want the best results for whatever it is you're going for or looking for the best participants in the test.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. My... See, my take has always been that, you know, the credit that people give black test takers, black, you know, black students, it's they actually get more credit. There's actually a very pro black bias in the school system because they get chance of chance of chance. And white kids are typically just left to fend for themselves.
@malleusigYou know, they don't get the second chance. They have the special programs based on race. Right. And the the mindset behind that is inherently racist. Not because it hates white people, but because it treats black kids as, or black people as a whole, as, you know, mental children. You know, if you are giving someone every chance and you are helping them get back up when they fall down and you are literally there holding their hand through everything, that's how you treat a child.
@malleusigAdults don't get that treatment. And so one of the problems I've always had with this kind of like white liberal anti-racist mindset is that It carries this implicit belief that never gets talked about that white people are the adults and black people are America's children. And frankly, that's one of the most racist things I think I've ever heard.
@malleusigYeah, Nivudamus?
@xanderspeechYeah, the thing that I was going to actually say was I, you know, not to leave off of that point, to actually estimate it with, I just found Moynihan... Patrick Moynihan's actual conversation. It's called The Negro Family Labor Department Report on NBC's Meet the Press. It's like three minutes and 27 seconds. It was speaking to the fact of that guy saying it was racist.
@xanderspeechAnd actually, if you want me, I can actually play it on. You can hear it in his own words as well. Do it. All right, here you go. And I'll get the link to it as well. There's a cis family from 10 years ago.
Speaker 2Each week, American History TV's Real America brings you archival films that help provide context for today's public affairs issues.
Speaker 3Our guest today on Meet the Press is the author of the controversial study, The Negro Family, Mr. Daniel P. Moynihan. His report, prepared when he was Assistant Secretary of Labor, at first was warmly praised. It has recently been sharply criticized. Mr. Moynihan, a professor of political science, is now at Western University.
Speaker 3He was one of the drafters of the nation's anti-poverty program, and he's just been appointed by Mayor-elect Lindsey to the New York City Poverty Task Force. Now we'll have the first questions from Mr. Monahan, from Lawrence E. Spivak, a permanent member of the Meet the Press panel.
Speaker 4Mr., here's a quotation, for example, from a recent article by William Ryan, a Harvard psychologist who criticizes your report in The Nation, and this is what he writes, quote, The implicit point is that Negroes tolerate promiscuity, illegitimacy, one-parent families, welfare dependency, and everything else that is supposed to follow.
Speaker 4Now, that's the criticism he makes of your report.
Speaker 5Now, how do you answer those two questions? I'm not responsible for the fact that he can't read. As E. Franklin Frazier said, and I quoted from him at some length, there is a lot of evidence that the Negro middle-class family, when it gets its opportunity, gets a bearing, is, if anything, more stern, more rigid, than most.
Speaker 5The evidence is simply clear. Negro Americans live like any other Americans, and when they're forced into the ghetto and forced into disorganization, they have no more better protection than anyone else.
Speaker 4I'd like to ask you one specific question. The New York Times quotes you today as saying, you say that 44% of the children in Harlem are illegitimate. Now, how do you know that?
Speaker 5Those are statistics from the New York City Department of Health, sir. Ten health districts in central Harlem The area with which the great American sociologist Kenneth Clark described in his report as having undergone a massive deterioration of the fabric of society and its institutions. And right under our prosperous noses that happened.
Speaker 5That hasn't existed for 50 years. That happened in the last 50 years in America. And we've been sitting around thinking things have been getting better. And they haven't been getting better for those children. And I think we, I for one, if you think, see what people can face for the civil rights movement in the way of sheriffs, in the way of howling mobs, in the way of the disapproval of their anti-society.
Speaker 5Well, I think, I would hope, certainly I'm willing to face the disapproval of a few white liberals from Boston who think I shouldn't raise the topic because it's impolite.
Speaker 6Mr. Novak. Mr. Moynihan, your report, you say, quote, equality of opportunity almost ensures inequality of results, unquote. Are you proposing preferential treatment on the hiring of Negroes?
Speaker 5I believe this country owes the American Negro his back wages, yes. Does the federal government support preferential treatment for Negroes, then? I believe what President Johnson said in his Howard University speech. You cannot keep a man in chains for three centuries and take the chains off and say to me, okay, you're free to run the race of life with anybody else.
Speaker 5They have to be made... People have to be given the opportunity to compete with effective resources. And I believe... that we should make a special effort.
@xanderspeechAnd that's why they didn't like Patrick Moynihan. Yeah. Because they tried to label him into a box. Hey, Moynihan, you're trying to say you, like, support DEI? Are you saying you support racial bias or preferential treatment for the Negro? And Patrick Moynihan is saying no. I'm not saying anything like that. i'm just simply telling you the reality of what happened to the negro in america now when you're talking about america and you're speaking about the negro in america a lot of times oh somebody got a hot mic too no you're right brother uh so check this out right when you're talking about uh when you're talking about
@xanderspeechFirst and foremost, the room itself is a great title for everybody wanting to know. Make sure you share it. Make sure you retweet it out. Thanks for Rabbi having these conversations. I see Ian Malcolm is in the building as well. Shout out to him. And I got the wonderful Michelle Ann and brother Clem over the building. And I just want to say, you got to understand the purpose of the title of the room to even understand the purpose.
@xanderspeechNow, there's a part to it that has to be understood for you to understand even how to... title is to even make sense to you, right? Why family matters? Well, first and foremost, family matters because a family is an extension of self. Self is an extension of a community and a community at large represents a society. So there's layers and levels.
@xanderspeechSo if you understand what your family is, you understand where you come from, that which you come from, you then become that community upon which you surround yourself is able to take you in and also add to you and help you come up because it takes a community or a village to raise a child. but also those foundations which are laid in that community will shape the foundations of the society.
@xanderspeechAnd that society, as we could tell, is not just relegated on a federal or a state term, but even down to a micro, to where you go ahead and shop at, where your children go to school at, where your shop, where your school center is, what type of community is around the school, what type of family environment structure, two-family household, married.
@xanderspeechbalance structure multiple multiple parents in the household uh multiple age differences between siblings all these different factors play a play a factor in society for when you can understand what purpose of a family you're trying to build and that which you come from sometimes it's not always that which we come from that makes us but that which we which we seek to become and doing efforts to get there that is that all right so it's not necessarily when you start with how you finish that's the end of it
@xanderspeechNow, why does America treat the Negro as if they're this type of parent or in this parental type of figure? Well, again, you have to go ahead and understand the nexus of where we got here from. And I think Patrick Moynihan did a great job in explaining that even on the report when they were trying to pin him into those questions.
@xanderspeechBecause if you look at who the reporters were, you'll go ahead and see the nose sticking out further than a leprechaun, but I digress. What I'm trying to really imply and make sure it's known is that Patrick Moynihan was not wanting to be ignorant of the American Negro situation in America. And then you say, I'm going to take chains off of a man after 300 years and say, oh, you're in society.
@xanderspeechGo figure it out. Go ahead and be a citizen and be upright and then be becoming of what comes into America. Well, you go ahead and try to do that. you try to expound on that you see that out of slavery in america we had a beautiful relationship when it came to america between a negro but what began to happen was was okay these these negroes came off of the plantations now we need them to work but they're not working and they're not working for us so let's go ahead and create these laws called vagrancy
@xanderspeechWhat does the vagrancy do? Stop a man who just came over here, who ain't doing nothing, trying to figure it out, who probably just got off a plantation three to four years, two to three years before that, just got out of a whole war within the country where literally the country was split in half. And now trying to say, okay, where do I fit in the equation when everywhere around here literally only see me as chattel property?
@xanderspeechWell, they came up with law saying that you don't have a job, Negro, that's vagrancy. That then therein created the nexus. for what we call penal peonage, where the correctional facilities was now going to institute the form of slavery that was not being able to be instituted because it was outlawed. Now you get into prisons.
@xanderspeechWho owned the prisons? Who were the police? Who were the slave catchers? Who were the jurors? I mean, not jurors. Who were the judges? Who were the lawyers? Now you go into a new slave system. See, and so the maneuver of... how you work work that work that system is is simply yeah i got it it's in the kitchen on the on the counter there make sure you wash your hands first please um the thing about it is is that uh the babies just came from outside the thing about it is is that when you go ahead and understand the nucleus of the american negro relationship to america the purpose of trying to create this system above parentage is based off of the system of the slave plantation
@xanderspeechIt's the same people who controlled the plantations, who controlled the newspapers, who controlled the media of the Negro, which is why I had it on my page before someone decided to go ahead and get it out of there. What it was was literally speaking to the fact that there was people who were writing articles that were saying the Negro was going to take over, which literally coincided with this illusion in the society and the communities that the Negro was going to come and destroy and be a vampire and be a threat.
@xanderspeechWell, what happened with that? Well, what happened with that meant that you had a community that was moving and wanting to move up, but they're going to a community. And now the husband and the wife in the community seem bad. Well, how you Negroes in our community? And then what you start getting was this split of this structure, that type of mindset.
@xanderspeechwas forced into america and that's why i love the the space that we're in i love how we started with the morning hand report and that's the part that's really going to be critical and dissecting not just the family structure of what we have as a community but what does the nation impose us as a family structure and we know with all these alphabets that it can get crazy but i digress and say uh i'm gonna go ahead and uh try to get that link that i just played in there for you rabbi and yeah go ahead and keep it running
@malleusigYou can put it into Jumbotron. Other people can access it. It's great.
@xanderspeechI'll put it in a purple pill. I got a droid. For some reason, it don't go. But when I put it in a purple pill, I'll tell you and you can throw it in there for me. All right, sure.
@malleusigAll right, thank you, bro. You got it, man. Yeah, so, I mean, Monaghan's whole... His whole... What was I going to say? His whole thesis rests on this idea that... American slavery was the most awful the world has ever seen. And again, we know that this is not true, but it tells you that Moynihan was, he would essentially be considered a lefty, right, in today's political environment.
@malleusigAnd notwithstanding your comment about the reporters interviewing him, which I think is probably on the nose, it does seem like there is an effort being made by people to own the civil rights movement. You know, it's like not only is it we're going to we're going to make sure that we fact we feature prominently anyone that is going to outcompete us in actually helping the black community and not just doing this performative dance and like, you know, shucking and jiving and making it look like we're helping them and really making it worse.
@malleusigThe whole thing Democrats do. Right. If you are if you are. actually going to release a paper that will make things better in the black community, we're going to come out and call you racist. And it does seem to be that the drive is to head off any possible progress on the issues. Because if progress is made on the issues, then our performative dance that we put on is no longer convincing to blacks, right?
@malleusigWe can't... We can no longer get blacks behind us. Like let's say you're in the Canaanite community. So we can no longer get blacks behind us by making some vague statement about how I had an uncle that marched in civil rights parades, right? Or, you know, my cousin Avi was a lawyer and he represented black people during civil rights.
@malleusigAnd it's like, if you allow Moynihan to actually make the problem better and you do so by encouraging the black community to become better people and better families, then all of their performative you know kind of like virtue signaling falls flat and i i do think there was an effort made to make sure that they get maximum value out of uh the little dance they do around that well morgan was speaking specifically to the issues right he wasn't he wasn't speaking he wasn't even beating around the bush with him he was speaking about the situations about the american negro
@xanderspeechwhat they were trying to do was the well you're you know you're a republican you don't really like negroes it's it's kind of like it's looking at it from the lens of they're politicizing his morality of the conversation he was shaping the conversation and he called it the the negro family report the actual real title is not necessarily the monihan report it's called the negro family the case for national action so it was a report that was supposed to have
@xanderspeechuh a result that resulted in national action and i think a lot of times they were trying to shape it into societal action so then they could make it into a minority issue or people of color issue or uh alphabet issue instead of an actual american negro issue and i think that that's where it really really really really hits the home run
@xanderspeechand why instead of actually shining a light on the work, they have to assassinate the character of the author of the work so one is not inclined to look further at the work.
@malleusigAnd as soon as you hear someone's character being assassinated, it's always best to pause and reflect because that's when you know somebody is afraid to challenge the central point. If someone is going after ad hominems and they're attacking the speaker based off of some affiliation or some... you know, correlation that person has politically, or even, you know, implications or the tone of something they might have said, you know, they don't have anything to push back on the assertions being made.
@malleusigAnd this is one of those cases. I mean, looking back, and again, hindsight is 20-20. Looking back, if the Moynihan report had been taken seriously, and something had been done to help the, you know, what they call the Negro family, then we'd be in a different situation right now. You know, we are in a situation right now where not only was nothing done, but I think it was actually made worse because what happens is Democrats, and again, this is super ironic because Democrats were the ones that enslaved them, but Democrats seem to have created a new plantation where they farm black people for votes.
@malleusigAnd the, you know, the efforts to do that mean we're going to, you know, Democrats are going to make the most visible and over the top like you know grants to the black community but they're not going to do anything on the real problems that lie under the surface and are less exciting less sexy and don't really get you a front page photograph this is you know the image comes to me like you guys saw american gangster with denzel washington absolutely yeah so you know the scene where his his boss before his boss dies his boss is going out so he has this big truck and he's throwing out christmas turkeys to everyone in the black community
@malleusigYeah, that's what Democrats do. They'll go out and they'll like every Christmas, they'll throw you a turkey, but they don't do anything else for you. Three hundred sixty four other days a year. And then when it's time to vote, they come around with their hands out saying, you know, vote me right because I'm a Democrat and you guys are black and you owe us.
@malleusigWe gave you that turkey, man. Right. But what they don't do is anything that is likely to make your situation better because they need you to be in a bad spot. Because if you're not in a bad spot, they can't run on improving your spot. And they need that. It's this very dysfunctional kind of perverse incentive that they have set up.
@malleusigAnd they've been able to milk it for decades now.
Speaker 1Yeah, and now they're doing it with illegal immigrants.
@malleusigExactly. They ran those spreadsheets. And they're like, the great replacement isn't just white people, man. they're replacing black people with these immigrants too. And black people are catching on to it.
Speaker 1I would say they're replacing black people first with the illegal immigrants. Yeah. Because they're usually moving into impoverished communities and pushing them out first, taking the lower skill jobs, lower income jobs, while blacks are left to either move out of the city, move to another neighborhood because it's been taken over, or stay there and compete in the ever-increasing labor pool.
@xanderspeechexactly and also today the the the goal is to to have removal right the goal is to remove the the community aspect the goal is to remove the ability to have access to wealth because the access to wealth will put you on a par system where you're not standing out there waiting for a turkey to be thrown you're gonna have to come with something better than the turkey and that
@xanderspeechwhy they discredit Moynihan because he literally went to find out what's the source of the problem so then you could go ahead and not have to give treatments if I know what the source is then I could do surgery and then we're done you can go into heal Moynihan recognized that we're talking about a people that literally were not made to heal he said when you're talking about
@xanderspeechthe average American Negro who is a middle-class person, given that same opportunities as an average American, he's actually got a structure and a standard, maybe even some of the best in many cases for his family. He said, but when you're looking at the data, if it continues in this path, then surely we will have houses with single moms, children who are out here who will have crime as a form of access to revenue.
@xanderspeechbecause this is the conditions of the community that's surrounding them. But when you think about the project, when you think about housing institutions, who created those? Who created the term to put Negroes in ghettos? We didn't have ghettos on plantations. We didn't have ghettos when we left the plantations. When did we start becoming ghettoed?
@xanderspeechWho put us in a ghetto position?
@malleusigWell, the thing is, when Blacks started migrating north after emancipation, and again, this is well after emancipation, but when they started migrating north, right, people didn't want them, right? So it's not like they put them in ghettos, just they had nowhere else to go. Because A, they were a labor threat because Blacks coming out of slavery were willing to accept way lower wages than like Irish Scottish dock workers, for example.
@malleusigThere are a number of riots among dock workers in New York, I think. Because they were like, no, you can't, you're not going to, again, this whole thing that happens today with illegal immigrants coming in and working at meatpacking plants, where you have these industrialists that own everything. And they're like, they don't really care about the people that work for them.
@malleusigThey just want to know how to shave another 10% margin, right? And bring the stock price up. So they're thinking, oh, we have all these black people coming up from the South. Let's just replace our white dock workers with them. or white factory workers or whatever, and then we'll be able to save a ton of money on wages.
@malleusigAnd they don't care what happens to the white workers. They just, you're out. Sorry, guys. You've been out-competed for work. And so you have this really, really sad thing what happens where the workers don't attack the industrialists. They attack the people being brought in to replace them because the industrialists aren't within arm's reach.
@malleusigYou can't reach the industrialists. But you can reach the people that are being brought in. And so you see the same thing in the West Coast with the Chinese when they're brought in to replace the workers there. You see the same thing with Hispanics when they're brought in to replace farm workers, that kind of thing in the United States today.
@malleusigYou see this animosity towards this destitute population that's willing to come in and work for pennies on the dollar. When in reality, the people that really should be challenged on this, the people that are hiring them. But yeah. And that's why, I mean, again, from the white man's perspective, that's how it went down.
@malleusigA lot of what is characterized, and again, by Jewish media, a lot of what is characterized as, you know, simple hatred really wasn't. It wasn't racial hatred. It was basically insecurity about what's going to happen to your job in the economy. The whole idea that whites hate blacks because of the color of skin is probably one of the most
@malleusigover-exaggerated and inflated pieces of propaganda that our country has ever seen. And again, we can talk on that if you guys want to, but I don't want to divert too much. Do you want to go more about the report?
@xanderspeechYeah, for sure. I mean, that's definitely like, you know, just speaking to the title of the room, like, why do they do them on your head dirty? why family matters is kind of the central theme so yeah definitely if you uh if you wanted to if you wanted to i i mean i could actually i have some uh stuff i did put the information i think i sent it in the chat the the um they're messing with the the purple pill and making you have to write a post or write the page so you know twitter so so they're doing that go ahead brother
@malleusigThat's what happens when you rely on H1B programmers.
@xanderspeechThat's the desired program. But I was just wondering if Joanne or Ian was wanting to say anything for sure. Y'all can definitely jump in if you guys are ready at any time.
@malleusigJust give them a chance. Ian, definitely. Come on. If you have anything to add, Joanne.
@joann_marieNo, I'm just happy to be here, Rabbi, and thank you, Clement, and Nagradamos, and Ian, and yeah, I don't know anything about this topic, so I'm just learning, so thank you.
@malleusigAll right, excellent.
Speaker 2All right, all right.
@xanderspeechNo, I was going to tell her no doubt. I was going to say, this is a topic that a lot of people might not know nothing about, so don't feel like, you know, you're out of the loop or anything. Uh, it's literally something that if you don't really go look for it, you won't, you won't find it like specifically like that because it's surrounded in the myriad of, you know, uh, this is, oh, he was racist.
@xanderspeechHe didn't like black people. So it gets you to, before you even look at his work, dismiss the actual work based on your pre, uh, your predisposed position of how he might be shaped in the media. And that's again, where you heard the questions and how they were coming at him. could tell he was truly a genuine man uh i didn't look at him like a racist like when i was hearing him speak and when i heard him speak before i don't get anti-negro i don't get an anti-black racist i don't
@xanderspeechI don't, I don't get, I don't get that at all. He was a public servant. He was looking, he's a, he literally joined the government, which is what they all supposed to be. And that's what he, that's what he went to work to do. And I think that because his, his work was specific as it was called the Negro family, the case for national action.
@xanderspeechYou're talking about a government that literally at that time was filling up with a lot of those small hats that didn't really look at the Negro as a friend or a ally because of what happened. the civil war so you gotta remember that uh the confederacy a lot of times people was asked was saying well it's about states rights or this and that the confederacy was simply about those who wanted to run a certain a jewish type of government and those who did not want to um and that's why that's why the union prevailed and we had some good historians where we can look at where we're sitting back saying that now when we see what's taking place we're talking about the people who literally plantation owners owning presidents now
@xanderspeechI mean, a lot of people don't sit back and really just take it in of what we're actually dealing with in 2026. They're talking about people who don't mind dropping 50, 60, 70, 100 million on a candidate because they know that that's going to get them in leverageable positions where they'll compromise against their own base.
@xanderspeechSo you're talking about who these families are. You're talking about plantation owners, slave family owners, slave sharers. uh why you think they're marrying into these people uh like his daughter with uh the jewish dude um over there kushner kanye told us who kushner was why is kushner speaking on behalf of the country because kushner's in the position of power due to his relationship with his family and their wealth now when you go ahead and look at all these people you got to ask yourself this simply are you a person that's like a morning hand or are you a person that's not
@xanderspeechAnd it's just that simple. It's not whether you like Negroes or don't like Negroes. It's not whether you are anti-white or pro-white. It's about whether you are pro-American and actually seeing people who literally just was like Moynihan said, these are people who were just in this position for 300 years. And we need to make sure that they catch up to being what America is.
@xanderspeechAnd that's all a Negro ever wanted in America. The American Negro never wanted. handouts that's a false propaganda from the uh small hats who run media again i could point you in the direction of the of the paper shared between the government and those who were at the civil war fresh off the plantation it was never give me gimme gimme it was always i'm gonna go ahead and hit this plantation because i know how to work it and we're gonna get wealth off of it because we know what drives the nation
@xanderspeechAnd I think that a lot of times we forget that there's two types of people in America, ones who want to drive the nation in a righteous manner and some who don't. And the people who don't, that's who we're really at war with. We're not at war with Moynihan and the media. We're at war with spiritual wickedness in high places, man.
@xanderspeechAnd that's what we really got to recognize as a people and as a nation. That's why it ain't about calling somebody cracker or nigger. It's not about being anti-negro or pro-white. It's about being purposed and knowing what type of society you want for your children. Like, I have children. Like, I got little kids. I have a wife.
@xanderspeechI don't want them in the fucking society dealing with problems that we're afraid to talk about and be serious about as adults. Like, that would be ignorant of myself. That would be ignorant of my people. That would be ignorant of us as adults in a room. It don't matter. I didn't have to put a color or... a belief or none of that on it.
@xanderspeechIt's about us being honest with ourselves and knowing, hey, where do we want to go? You know what I'm saying? Like, what do we want to do? And as a person who actually lives this and who lived this and who actually went against the actual enemy and had their focus on me, I could tell you, you got to be serious with them.
@xanderspeechAnd so the family is the first step of a society. It's the mark of a person. Then when you're talking about a community, that community is a resemblance of that family. That family is everything because that community is going to recognize a good family or a bad family. Trust me, my children are in school. My wife's in PAC.
@xanderspeechThey recognize a good family. They recognize a bad one. I went to a birthday party with my child's classmates from their French immersion class. The teachers and all of them were there. We were all there. It was beautiful. All of the dads, we all met with each other talking about how we're going to have beer, watching our children and our wives actually have fun.
@xanderspeechIt was a beautiful time. But you know what? A lot of people, including myself, probably never had that memory growing up. So this is the first time in a long time I'm putting these type of memories and things in the atmosphere. But that's because I'm responsible to my family because we're in a community. My children don't just hang with these people.
@xanderspeechThey go to school with them. These people are their teachers. These are the principal's children. So you have to understand, like, what type of reality are you living for what family structure do you want to show and have for yourself, right? So I think that's why I said this is a beautiful space. That's why I told Rabbi, you know, I appreciate him.
@xanderspeechI appreciate the seriousness of it. I appreciate the focus of it. I told Ian and Joanne as well that, hey, man, we need to definitely start just really being honest with ourselves and being frankly just open about, What the fuck we're doing? Us playing the nigger cracker game, man, that's so fucking low. It's so low vibration.
@xanderspeechIt's so low IQ. It makes Jews laugh. We got to start playing a strategic game that removes their power structures, that removes the McGraw-Hill educations, that starts having our children with visions of societies that don't get interrupted by them. And I think that that's where we get the biggest winner. And that's why I'm really proud of Rabbi for this piece.
@xanderspeechSpeaking on not just the Moynihan Report, but the Negro family, the case for national action and the seriousness of it as well.
@malleusigThanks, man. Thanks a lot. Yeah, we can go into more of this. I mean, I have some more highlights I can go through and read unless somebody has anything else you want to add. Oh, no, I'm good, brother.
@xanderspeechYep.
@xanderspeechGo ahead, Clement.
Speaker 1But, yeah, I just want to kind of piggyback off what you said as far as the title goes. In my opinion, you know, family matters because right now we're in a battle between do you want the government to raise your children? Do you want the government to control? how society goes or do you want it to be more community-based and i feel like that's kind of how uh that's kind of that's kind of the position we're in right now and and i don't mean like the government raising your kids as far as you send them to school they get brainwashed they come back home i mean all aspects of society you know the commercials we see the the debauchery crap on billboards everything everything every little thing
Speaker 1since I feel that the corporations run the government, that's technically what I mean by the government raising your children. It's like, do we put up with this propaganda and just let it slide and not say anything, not speak out because we don't want to offend anybody. We don't want to offend this community over here, over there.
Speaker 1Or do we stand up, speak about the issues, speak about how we want to go as a society and bring that family unit back? Because I feel like the family unit community uh connectiveness is what's going to make ultimately everything work better because say you say you're you have close ties to your community you're going to be able to get jobs within that community you're going to be able to go somewhere if you're in a pinch say your a tree falls in your house you know you'll have people to go to to help you out you know uh but just different things like that but yeah let's let's go ahead and continue on yep yep no all good stuff man
@malleusigAll right, so the next part I want to go into is actually really important because this is where he gets into... I'll just read it. So E. Franklin Fraser makes clear that at the time of emancipation, and this is where we get into kind of a very significant part of this, at the time of emancipation, Negro women were already accustomed to playing the dominant role in family and marriage relations, and that this role persisted in the decades of rural life that followed.
@malleusigSo this is a key point for him. One of the key points he makes is that the the destruction of the family comes essentially from you know men being disenfranchised from the role as a father and then what happens is the the wife has to step in the mother step in and become essentially a breadwinner and um this doesn't number on family cohesion it doesn't number on obviously the male uh male ego um it doesn't it's
@malleusigroot cause of a lot of this kind of abandonment of the families because guys are like if i if i can't be the head of the family then what you know why don't what do i have holding me to this i can essentially become a large child and be taken care of by a mother right which is not in any way complementary to the ego or i can just go and find some other woman to hook up with and
@malleusigUnfortunately, in greater and greater numbers, more black men are choosing to just go and father, you know, two or three different families and find some kind of sense of satisfaction in that, which is, it's a recipe for disaster. But this is how he tackled this in the 60s. I'm sorry, in the 40s. Okay, so in 1940, Edward White Back, his name is Back or Backy, B-A-K-K-E.
@malleusigEdward White Backey described the effects of unemployment on family structure in terms of six stages of adjustment. Although the family study were white, the pattern would clearly seem to be a general one and apply to Negro families as well. The first two stages end with the exhaustion of credit and the entry of the wife into the labor force.
@malleusigSo when you have... The wife has to enter the labor force, you're already two steps in towards this deleterious cycle. The father is... no longer the provider, and the elder children become resentful. The third stage is the critical one of commencing a new day-to-day existence. At this point, two women are in charge. Consider the fact that relief investigators, and this is what they would call CPS or Child Protective Services back then, consider the fact that relief investigators or caseworkers are normally women and deal with the housewife.
@malleusigAlready suffering a loss in prestige and authority in the family because of his failure to be the chief breadwinner, the male head of the family feels deeply this obvious transfer of planning for the family's well-being to two women, one of them an outsider. His role is reduced to that of errand boy to and from the relief office.
@malleusigIf the family makes it through the stage, Baki finds it is likely to survive and the rest of the process is one of adjustment. The critical element of adjustment was not welfare payments, but work. So as far back as the 1940s, people were saying that welfare payments don't get you anywhere. They keep you on subsistence level, they keep you going day to day, but they don't move you ahead.
@malleusigFinding work is the key element. And he quotes, having observed our families under conditions of unemployment with no public help, or with that help coming from direct and from work relief, we are convinced that after the exhaustion of self-produced resources, work relief is the only type of assistance which can restore the strained bonds of family relationship in a way which promises the continued functioning of that family and meeting the responsibilities imposed upon it by our culture.
@malleusigWork is precisely the one thing the Negro family had in such circumstances has not received. over the past generation. So the case he's making here is that instead of direct handouts to the women, which is what we have now, and in fact, we have this ultra-dysfunctional form of welfare where we're giving handouts to the women and we're giving them more money based on how many kids they have, which means we're incentivizing women that already can't provide for their one or two kids to have more kids, which...
@malleusigIt just makes the problem worse. And those kids are just going to be generational welfare recipients. He says the key is making sure that there is work available for the head of the Negro family. Making sure that the father has work that he can do. He can go to work, he can feel a sense of accomplishment, feel that he's doing something and he's pulling back income to keep his family going.
@malleusigAnd that process, not only does it take care of the day-to-day, it gives the impetus that's needed to move the family unit forward. Thoughts on that?
@xanderspeechYeah, I think the part that, I think if I was reading, because I'm reading the Moynihan report as well. I think the part you were talking about specifically was, I want to say, was that part two?
@xanderspeechThis is from Chapter 3, The Roots of the Problem. Chapter 3, The Roots of the Problem. Okay, let me see. Yeah, I was just looking at that one and almost one-fourth of the Negro families are headed by females. That's the part that I was reading about as you were speaking about it.
@malleusigHe says, in general terms, the Negro families have the largest number of children and the lowest incomes. Because of this, many Negro fathers literally cannot support their families. Because the father is either not present or isn't employed or makes such a low wage, the Negro woman goes to work. 56% of Negro women ages 25 to 64 are in the workforce, against 42% of white women.
@malleusigThis dependence on the mother's income undermines the position of the father and deprives the children of the kind of attention, particularly in school matters, which is now a standard feature of middle-class upbringing. So, again, the mother's out of the house. She can't keep an eye on the kids, which means back then it meant that she couldn't help them with their homework.
@malleusigBut today it means that your kids are out stealing cars and shit, right? I mean, before I came into space, I literally watched a body cam video of an 11-year-old that was a black kid, right? Baby, really. 11 years old, stealing guns, stealing cars with his friends. and uh doing things like crashing them into dunkin donuts right um and filming it for instagram and the reason this was a video was because this kid killed somebody right um he decided to because it was they were fun making the video they were stealing a car they decided to just run over some 63 year old physicist on his bike in the early hours of the morning and he went to jail for murder so um yeah
@xanderspeechWow. Uh, no, it's, it's, this is, and this report was done back in the days. I mean, I was raised, I was raised by a single, uh, black woman myself. Uh, I was blessed. I would sing a American single Negro woman, man. I was blessed. I didn't have, you know, my mom was very aware. I have a lot of cousins and stuff. Um, a lot of their dads just wasn't there.
@xanderspeechA lot of them, some of them was, uh, incarcerated. Some passed away. Um, a couple of ones that was there, you know, was doing a lot of stuff where they wasn't even pretty much home a lot. Um, you know, but I was just, I just, I just know I was blessed by my mom. You know, she didn't want us to grow up in like crime and stuff like that.
@xanderspeechSo not having a criminal record was harped on very much in my household. Um, you know, I came from a family with a lot of women in general who didn't really have a grandfather, didn't really have many uncles. But as I got older, I actually had a football team. So I actually, that's fine. You should know.
@xanderspeechYou literally, like a lot of the things like, you know, watching my family and watching my family grow, you know, this is a blessing that I wasn't even afforded growing up. So it's... It's something that I look at that I really appreciate, that I know a lot of times, you know, a lot of families was not able to do this.
@xanderspeechA lot of people weren't able to do this growing up. And especially when you're talking about the single moms, distrust, it's not easy. And it's not easy when you're looking at the society of it, of what happens in a system, like when you're thinking about it, like why wasn't the Negro men having success? Why was it that...
@xanderspeechWhen slavery was going on in America, the Negro was a fuel driver and a driver source on the plantations. But when it came time for the Negro to be free in America, there was no access to capital. The capital access and the capital, the wealth distribution, when you're talking about it in America, strictly was forced. When you're talking about American Negro families and wealth generations, a lot of it was forced out of our communities.
@xanderspeechSo this was almost like the end result since you're talking 1865 all the way towards 1940s, 1950s to then get to the 1960s to write a report of what took place and that framework. I mean, you're talking about almost less than 80 years or roughly about that timeframe. You're talking about a whole system. where you're wanting the Negro people not to have any success with capital.
@xanderspeechAnd I think what we're reading about with the Moynihan Report, and many of us having these conversations can testify that when we're having these reality checks, a lot of times these frail systems of communities are existing. If you lose one kid or one kid has an accident, somebody gets sick, couple days of school get missed,
@xanderspeechsomebody misses work a check gets short it could be bad and impactful for a lot of these families And so what I think we're seeing in that community was a holding on of a structure. And sometimes you look at it in the cities, they're kind of chasing, you know, they're chasing that dream. Whereas in the South, it probably was just not having to be so much overhead because people probably owned their lands, probably did jobs that didn't really see as much return, but it was a secure job that kind of been in the family.
@xanderspeechAnd people are going to the city for, quote, new endeavors. Well, you're going in these cities and you're paying rent. Japan is... all these different taxes on things. Some of those societies can't keep up, man. And I think what was taking place when Moynihan was reporting it was that the wealth was not transferring with the generations in the Negro American community, and he wanted to know why.
@xanderspeechAnd I think in his report, as we were reading, and as we will read, it's going to expound on some things. Because I just remember I was following along right here, and I'm looking at it from the U.S. Department of Labor website. And I've seen chapter two, the Negro American family. Um, and I think that the chapter two, you said you were reading chapter three.
@xanderspeechUm, and I looked at it from the first page, but I would love to follow along with you or wherever you're reading that as well. So then I can read with you too. Um, because I do have the other parts under the table of contents and I do, and I did go sort of route to the problem.
@malleusigYeah, I know.
@xanderspeechI kind of caught that too, as you were reading. Uh, but one of the thing I did want to do was actually read the actual report. and some of them uh even if it's just a paragraph or two so we can actually hear what more in your hand actually said well that's what i've been reading is from the actual report so you just just no i i'm not saying you weren't i'm not saying you weren't but again you were as i was saying i was following along with you just and i've seen you pull a lot off in this one you went to another paragraph yeah but actually reading a report actually as it is written
@malleusigsomething i think that is it goes part of course if you know what i'm saying yeah no everyone should read it and and if you if you get chapters you want to highlight by all means jump in man this is uh it's i mean it's like five chapters it's not that that huge but um but yeah don't i won't i won't hog it all go ahead um if you got something you want to highlight i have chapter two in front of me yeah no i was just i was i seen what you were reading from bro i was actually reading it with you i seen a part that was there i just went uh
@xanderspeechSo part three, you kind of were still at part two as well. So I know that Clement wanted to go in there. And then after that, I was just going to actually say, once we get around, if people wanted to talk, talk. And then once we get around, we can actually go ahead and read some of the chapters that was in there. Because I think you went through kind of one and two.
@xanderspeechAnd then we can actually pick up on three.
Speaker 1We can actually. Go ahead, Clement. No, no, you guys go ahead. I was going to say something, but I'm going to check on this food I got brewing in here really quick. But you guys go ahead. Okay.
@malleusigAll right, man. But yeah, in chapter two, this is actually this key paragraph where he writes, there is considerable evidence that the Negro community is in fact dividing between a stable middle class group that is steadily growing stronger and more successful and an increasingly disorganized and disadvantaged lower class group.
@malleusigThere are indications, for example, that the middle class Negro family puts a higher premium on family stability and the conserving of family resources. then does the white middle class family, which would make sense because they're coming from a more desperate situation. The discussion of this paper is not obviously directed to the first group, excepting as it is affected by the experience of the second important exception.
@malleusigSo what he's saying here is that the major difference between this black middle class that thrived after emancipation and reconstruction and this dysfunctional black lower class is effectively one of attitude towards family stability. and the conservation of resources. So you have essentially these people that are engaging in long-term planning are doing better despite being just as black as the group that's not.
@malleusigAnd the group that's not is basically turning into these ghetto blacks. And so what do we take from that? We take that it's not really about race. It's not really about racism. It's not about discrimination. from whites at this point. Now it's about internal attitudes. And I think that the wool crowd over the past five or six years, that is essentially the one thing that they will oppose you most viciously on.
@malleusigAny hint that dysfunction or lack of success in the black community is down to some factor inside the black community itself. know and you are you are essentially burned at the stake as a witch right they are not able to tolerate any hint of realistic thinking on that one everything has to be the result of horrible vicious white racism and the white i think that the blacks that are doing okay in that sense are referred to almost exclusively as you know token blacks you know the idea is that white mainstream culture
@malleusigallows a few black families to do well just so we can point at them and gaslight their remainder of the black population with which i think is absolutely ridiculous um but yeah that is that is key because for me the the deciding factor is internal attitudes towards um family stability and how highly it's valued you guys what do you guys thoughts on that well well yeah like when i'm what i
@xanderspeechWhen I'm actually thinking about the societal factors, the group that's actually doing good is not necessarily different to the degree of the group that's not doing good as far as proximity to Blackness. I think the group that's doing good over the group that's not doing good is doing good based off of their proximity to their family structure and their access to capital or whatever avenues they have for their family's success.
@xanderspeechShoemaker does shoes, Mason does masonry, et cetera, et cetera. But when you're talking about a whole community and you're talking about the system as it stands, I think what white supremacy is from the conversation, through the conjecture of the lens that we see it in it's a propaganda tool i don't think that there is any white supremacy that has its roots in any type of uh non-propaganda faction when you're talking about the the white supremacy that we see with today's group it's a jewish-led operation it's not looking at it from the purpose of white white demon white white mindset of
@xanderspeechOh, they're trying to attack us because they're the Jews and the Negroes. The Jews run the whites and the niggas. I think, Mark, I think when you're talking about Elon Musk, he was saying that the Jews are peak whites. So there's this type of misunderstanding and mislabeling of people, especially when you're talking about the American Negro.
@xanderspeechIt's just we throw it all in a white pot. We don't even necessarily sometimes see what boils at the top. Because we're swimming in the pool of what they call whiteness or white supremacy and looking at it from an either political or abstract mindset, instead of actually looking at it for a propaganda mindset and a structure that operates where it looks at white as a club and not necessarily as an influx of any racial category.
@xanderspeechCause racial is a social construct. That's not necessarily relegated on a bloodline people. Bloodline people are people that come from a French to say the French and the Spanish. are the same people is a misnomer because the French have different history and culture and values. The Spanish has different history, culture and values and their judicial systems, their religious beliefs may share some similarities, but at the end of the day, they're their own identity.
@xanderspeechSo it's not this all encompassing whiteness, no different than this is all encompassing blackness. Because when you're talking about in Africa, a lot of these slave villages and a lot of these chiefs and a lot of these kingdoms were selling Negroes to other Europeans or other blacks that was in the slave selling business because those people were different people.
@xanderspeechSo the notion of what we see is what might be seen as white supremacy from a political or politicized version is not necessarily held true in a likeness and in a manner that one might actually relegate the power structure to it is. And that's where I differentiate it from because it could be a person that's white that's literally just as poor as a nigga.
@xanderspeechBut at the end of the day, that white person and that Negro experience is not going to necessarily differ because they were either white or black if they're going up the same avenues, but it will differ when it gets into the upper echelons of what may be considered, well, we allow a white face in this building, but this face can't come just because it's based off of a racial structure.
@xanderspeechWell, that's not rooted in a business structure. So that's why that business structure is rooted in a racial structure, which is not relegated to a dollar function, but one that is of a racial structure which is competed on an old propaganda system so again you got the you got the africans from kenya or the zulu people who rock with the zulu people in south africa just because they're from africa and south africa does not mean they rock with the cameroonians or they rock with the e-phase or the coastal people from other nations because they're quote black
@xanderspeechcatch my drift so it's like the whole baseline of what they call structures of whiteness or they're attacking me because i'm black and they're white that's the propaganda i think the jewish people have done a great job in because the jewish people will utilize white supremacy for a benefit that it sees and it'll utilize it from an aggressive or victim standpoint they'll say oh white supremacy this this and that but at the end of the day the adl and the jdl are literally hate groups
@malleusigYeah? So go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say, and this is kind of a spicy take, I guess. I don't see why this would allow people to consider it to be one. I think that Judaism is peak white supremacy. I think that you've got a population of people that literally believe that they are a superior race and teach their children this openly.
@malleusigThey forbid their children from mixing with children of other, what they consider races. And they believe that every other race, you know, that isn't them is suitable only to be their slaves. And this isn't some kind of secret, you know, underground group. You know, this is Jews. And they are the white supremacy that we not only tolerate, we encourage because what?
@malleusigBecause they speak Hebrew, you know? Or essentially it's because they hold our reputations hostage. They figured out... to hold everyone's reputation hostage if we don't support them and so we're all forced to support white supremacy it's just that the white supremacy happens to speak hebrew um and i don't know why that isn't talked about more often well i think at the end of the day we support them because they have the power and they have the power because they got the money and they got the money because of slavery they did not have
@xanderspeechno money prior like that to before slavery well slavery no i was going to say uh slavery was literally the economic driver because it's just no different from the athletes as i think i mentioned in the last space today one athlete is one athlete and he could come from the hood and go to the nfl or the nba or the nhl or the mlb and make millions of dollars but that one athlete
@xanderspeechgenerate so much so much wealth and generating revenue for so many other people whether you're talking about the tax agent whether you're talking about the scalper whether you're talking about the security at the stadium whether you're talking about the bathroom cleaners whether you're talking about the tickets i mean the jersey sellers that's legit the fake jersey sellers
@xanderspeechuh the people that do uh autographs and signing the people that do media the people that do financing the people that do ticket sales the people that do photo photography the people that do sports medicine the people that do entertainment for physical therapy health and wellness we're talking about one negro right and all of these other economic facets that come off of their because their quote occupation whether it be entertainment sports
@xanderspeechuh specifically those primarily right because those are the ones that we really see that they get that big swap of money in a short amount of time but when you're talking about the amount of money that they're able to generate and how much wealth outside of that that's where that wealth for the small hats really compounded at because they didn't just sell slaves
@xanderspeechThey deal with the advertisements in those newspapers. They deal with the traveling and the transportation. They deal with the insurance. They deal with the shackles. I mean, Tiffany & Co, Gucci, all these people made shackles before they start making gold chains and stuff like that. So again, it's the history, Louis Vuitton.
@xanderspeechYou got to know that their wealth is derived from a system that they got absolute generation of wealth without... without minimal output, which is slavery. It don't matter whether it's the slavery that other people had in different countries or where other people may have had slavery at to the degree of when you're talking about in America and the Jewish relationship of slavery in America is very profound.
@xanderspeechAnd it's hid behind a cloak of what they call whiteness and white supremacy. And that's, again, where a line that I draw, whereas I don't do every white person that that loves themselves or is pro-whiteness and love their family or have a Confederate flag as a quote, white supremacist. Because I literally had teammates that had Confederate flags and was raised to be pro-white.
@xanderspeechBut we was teammates and he was a fellow person in the same position. So we chilled, we kicked it with each other. uh we kicked it with other teammates uh we we did things together it wasn't based off of a racial structure it was based off of what the team needed and having a teammate that you actually interacted with so i think a lot of times the relationship plays a part into the understanding of what societal structures may be broken down or built up but that whole notion of blame the white man
@xanderspeechThat's a notion that is used from propaganda positions because the Negro, I mean, the Jewish person who was the slave master will use the white man for the benefit of white supremacy to say, hey, we're white, we're pro-white. And they'll also say, hey, we're victims of whiteness and anti-Semitism. So the same white man that would be used to be claiming that they're white, like we see with, I think, who's that dude running around here?
@xanderspeechClaiming he's white. I forgot his name. His name was Shabuzy at one point. Shabuki wasn't his name or whatever the fuck his name was. He claims he's white. But at the end of the day, he's Jewish. The dude that Trump was wanting to have be sent up to his staff. I forgot what it was. Dude was over there talking about you posted about anti-Semitism.
@xanderspeechAnd then it comes out that the dude's Jewish. So we're talking about a chameleon that's able to utilize the transferring of quote, white supremacy for their benefit. So again, they'll terrorize and then say, hey, we'll be lawyers with you for free against those bad white people when really they were the ones wearing the hoods.
@xanderspeechAnd so now they're going to went on. So you got to talk about the understanding of these people and how they degradate society to benefit it for their economic gain. And once you get there, that facet of how you see this society and civilization shaping, that's where they're taking it that's where they're taking the negro society that they manifested onto a bigger platform which is the whole of america now this this purpose of what they did with the negro and i think brother clement said it first they do it to the negro first before they work it outside of the community to the greater community of others once they do it to us and they see how it works yeah before there was a vaccine situation with white america they have been doing vaccine tests with the negro community
@xanderspeechThey have been doing tests with syphilis and different studies that they use in our communities. But then when it happened and white America received it and was like, holy shit, the government doing this to us. And it's like, yeah, because guess what? They figured if you could go ahead and have it happen to these Negroes, then you shouldn't have a problem when it happens to you.
@xanderspeechAnd that's where the whole system, I think, is starting to flip up on his head now because he who feels it knows it. Right. But Clement, I think you wanted to say something. You got it, brother.
@malleusigYeah, Clément.
Speaker 1Hey, what's up? Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's exactly what the black, I'll say, shadow were used for, is for trials back then. Because when you're viewed as a piece of property, of course they're going to test things out on you because you're a human. And obviously other humans will react that same way to whatever you're trying to test out.
Speaker 1The Tuskegee experiment is what comes to mind like right off the bat. And I'm pretty sure MKUltra had a lot of black participants unknowingly as well. But to bring it back to the family matters issue, do you guys think that, let's see, do you guys think a single mother with a strong family around her would do a better job than two parents raising a child
Speaker 1with a weak family unit around them?
@malleusigDo I think, okay, say it again. One parent.
Speaker 1Do you think a single parent home, whether male or female, would do better raising a child with a strong family unit around her, uncles, aunts, or a two-parent household with a weaker family, very distant, maybe you don't live in the same state in raising a child?
@malleusigSo I think a two... I'm not sure we're quantifying weaker or stronger, but the research shows that two-parent families have better outcomes for the kids, right? And that doesn't get into weaker or stronger. It just gets into the number of parents in the house. So we know that two-parent households do better, not just because the kids have role models to look up to.
@malleusigThey have a father in the house to look up to. They have a mother in the house to look up to. And so they're getting both sides. They're getting modeling from both sexes, right? You know, so the problem is that, especially with young men, they have these indulgent mothers, if you have a single mother. And when they engage in shenanigans, you have this, you know, the did-do-nothing phenomenon where it's like, you know, he's a good boy.
@malleusigHe just, you know, just made a mistake. And it's like, no, your kid killed someone. He needs to go to jail. He's in a cage right now. And there's this... I don't know what it is. It's like this reflexive thing that women do where anything resembling a child gets every benefit of the doubt possible, especially if it's their child.
@malleusigAnd you need fathers because fathers be like, sorry kid, you fucked up. I warned you about this. I'm going to jail, right? You need to face the consequences of your action. That's what fathers are good for. Fathers, see, the thing that mothers is, Women don't really... And again, I'm not saying every single mother. In general, as a trend, women do not deal with reality.
@malleusigWomen deal with people. And so they're very good at dealing with people. They're very good at dealing with other women, other men. But they're not as good at dealing with reality. They're not good at dealing with things that you can't negotiate with. That's where men come in. And I notice it in my kids. You know... So one of the biggest disparities in parenting that I noticed in my own family, and I won't get into the number of kids or their sex or anything, but, you know, we go to a store, and my kids were younger, right?
@malleusigWe go to a store, and let's say it's a supermarket, and it's the candy aisle, and you want the kids to get out, we're all done, we're ready to shop, we need to go, but they want to stay in the candy aisle, look at the candy. So the mother does this. She gets there, and she says, okay, it's time to go. Time to go, kids.
@malleusigCome on. Time to go, right? And then what women will do is they'll escalate. They'll like, they'll get up until they get to about shouting. And the kids, if they haven't had a lot of that, they'll eventually kind of give any like, oh yeah, mom's angry, let's go. The problem is kids have this ability to get used to shouting.
@malleusigSo the mothers have to shout louder every time to get the same result. And so eventually we ended up with this hysterical mother That's screaming and yelling and causing a scene in the supermarket. Men, you know, are more likely to do what I did. You know, it's like, all right, we're going. And the kids are like, no, I want to stay.
@malleusigI'm like, all right. All right, well, I hope you like sleeping in the supermarket because I'm going home. See you later. And I just walk off. And you would not believe the speed. With which those kids come chasing after you. No, wait, daddy, wait. No, no, we don't want to sleep in the supermarket. You better get with the program, kid.
@malleusigCome on. We're going to own the parking lot and get in the car. Or you're sleeping in the market, right? And that works. And women don't seem to understand that technology. They don't seem to understand the effectiveness of letting kids have a little taste of reality now and then. Everything is negotiation. And Kids need both of those.
@malleusigThey need to learn how to negotiate, but they also need to learn what it's like dealing with reality. And so fathers are good for that. Yeah. And not to mention that the, let's say, I'm not going to put this. There is a, there was a breakdown that I think maybe not of most women, but a lot of women undergo when they're forced to become single parents.
@malleusigBecause you're forcing women to deal with reality. And it's not something they're naturally equipped to deal with. You know, for millions of years, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, it's been the males that dealt with reality. And the women dealt with the people at home, in the camp, the kids, right? The other women.
@malleusigThey didn't deal with tigers. They didn't deal with snakes. They didn't deal with neighboring animals. tribes of men that wanted to kill everyone and rape the corpses right so um they're not naturally equipped to deal with reality and they tend to go a little bit funny in the head when they're forced to anyone who has had a single mother will probably know what i'm talking about i had to deal with it myself um and this has effects on the kids having to deal with an insane mother figure is not good for a kid at all
Speaker 1I do agree. The reason why I brought that up is because, you know, I guess I'd call myself an anomaly. Pretty much I'd consider that. So I have a little brother. He's five years younger than me. We have the same mom, but different fathers. My father, let's just say he wasn't in my life for pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 1Our mother that we share, she ended up going to prison for 15 years when I was five.
@malleusigYour mother?
Speaker 1Yeah. Fuck. What did she do? Yeah, it was rough. Let's say she was trafficking and it wasn't humans.
@malleusigOh, God.
Speaker 1All right. Yeah. So I was raised by my grandmother. My brother, however, he was raised by his father who went on to marry someone else and move to a different state. And his father and the new woman, they didn't really associate with the rest of the family because they were kind of like criminal drug dealing, you know, bad stuff, you know?
Speaker 1So the family kind of isolated them. So it's my little brother who's five years younger than me and them. And me getting raised with my grandmother and no one else, just me and my grandma holding it tight, eating fucking sardines and crackers, you know? But so my brother right now, Uh, 2026, he's been in prison for 13 years and he's serving a life sentence plus 63 years for a murder.
Speaker 1He's got a couple of other charges. Um, his name is Daniel Merle, if you want to look it up, but, um, and me, I went on to join the army. I got my bachelor's, um, pretty much. I feel like I have a pretty successful life. You know, I got my land and everything. And I was always so jealous of him growing up. Him having two parents, him having a mom that could go to his parent-teacher conference and a dad.
Speaker 1But I didn't know what was really going on in the house. Apparently his dad's beating up the mom every day. He's seeing all kinds of crazy stuff. So it's like, as jealous as I felt for him growing up, now I just feel nothing. I feel so bad that he couldn't stay with me where we were. Um, but that's the reason why I asked that question, because just based on my own life, it feels like having a strong family unit around to help you raise, it's like a community helping you raise your kid.
Speaker 1Your family is supposed to be a community to help you raise your kid. And I feel like when you don't have that. it makes it really hard. And it feels like in modern society, it feels like we're separating and we're isolating ourselves more and more and more. You know, you want to take this opportunity in this city over here, you know, it makes $10,000 more a year.
Speaker 1But by doing all of those things, we're just, we ourselves are breaking down that family structure, which I feel like, because my grandma had like, all of my family backing her up, you know, because my grandma had cancer for most of my childhood. So it's like she needed the help, you know, if she didn't step in and adopt me legally, I would have been in foster homes, you know, who knows where I'd be, right?
Speaker 1I'd probably be in prison too. But her doing that for me and having a strong family unit on my mom's side to back her up is what really made the difference. So that's why I brought that up.
@xanderspeechYou know, the thing about it is, and beautiful testimony too, man. And, you know, it's like a lot of times we do have to count our blessings, right? I know, man, I got a lot of cousins and stuff like that who was in the newspaper and stuff and went to jail for crime, like for drugs and stuff like that. Not really killing and shooting like that, but just drugs, boosting, you know, like taking clothes from a store, trying to resell them, you know, hustling.
@xanderspeechJust looking to work, but there's, you know, like again, like Moynihan was even writing this report, there's no work. So it produces the elements of crime, especially to a people who probably wanna go out there and find something to do. They're gonna go and commit a crime and do another work, right? It's like, it's the mindset of the societal factors that we're literally dealing with in the community.
@xanderspeechAnd whether it's over flooded from population, whether it's under value as far as resources, with economic growth and drive. I think at the end of the day, we are still people who are affected by the actual realities of policies, whether ignored or acted upon as those actual children who didn't grow up. I was blessed. My mom had me at 18, but my mom was, my great grandmother was, I was mostly with my great grandma because my great grandmother was alive until I was nine years old.
@xanderspeechAnd thank God, she was a blessing. Her first school of integration between her and this other white woman ended up becoming the principal at an actual Catholic school. And her and my great-grandmother from back in, they were best friends for over 40-something years. So my great-grandmother's dying wish was that all her children be able to go to school because she's from South Carolina.
@xanderspeechLiterally, my great-grandmother's mom was a wet nurse. and the men in the family were sharecroppers of slaves like straight straight up like so literally i'm the third generation i'm the third generation from those people so you know my grandmother wanted to put an impetus on on education right and so to be honest i'm gonna tell you this like and this is why i said i don't deal with the white black stuff like that like right i actually deal with the actual people and who they are uh that woman
@xanderspeechnot going to mention her name because i don't because there are enemies and there's demons you know who would love to see something good bad turn bad right so i could just promise you and let you know that i was talking to i was speaking to my cousin just a couple of months ago and my cousin informed me that we still have uh members of my family who go to this uh uh 38 000 a year school for absolutely free um uniform and all uh meals uh
@xanderspeechmany times you know they could be on put on the meal program but pretty much uh they could do stuff at the school and they actually are still okay to go and my and i have cousins who will be graduating uh from that school and it's and and the beauty of it is that it started with just her and my great grandmother being being great friends so it speaks not only to just my great grandmother's relationship with me but my great grandmother's relationship with her
@xanderspeechRight. They firstly, they first came from wherever they came from and integrated into the schools together and became best friends. And she still honors her today. This is my life. This is my story. This is my family. And in that family, we have crackheads. We have children who, who, who grew up without their mom because their mom was suffering from addiction, uh, whose mom was raped by police.
@xanderspeechAnd then the police officer lied. And because of that addiction habit, um, their mom had HIV and passed it to that police officer who then passed it to his wife. So God works in mysterious ways. He raped, he raped, he raped my, uh, my first cousin in prison because she was an addict and she couldn't have her drugs. Right.
@xanderspeechSo he was a transport person and he was just raping her and nobody would believe her because again, she's an addict. Right. So again, it's like, we've reached the level of depravity in the community, especially in a society that we're now seeing those who are supposed to keep up righteousness in the community that would help it not degrade to such levels as participating in degradation as well.
@xanderspeechSo again, we have to recognize as a people, right? That what first then becomes the Negro problem may existentially grow out to be a community problem outside of the Negro, which then might be a problem in your community of non-Negros. You are now dealing with fentanyl, white America. And I'm going to tell you what, it was not cool to have crack babies, no different than it is to have fentanyl babies.
@xanderspeechAnd it's not cool or fun or mock or a joke or a cracker or a nigger that can make that child whose parent is that become more or or proper in their life you know those children love those crack-headed parents right because that's their parent and rightfully so right because they brought them into this world but no matter what struggle adversity brought them into this world no matter how the world has made us look at addiction or look at those people who suffer from it for whatever reasons they are they still got children who look at them as their parents
@xanderspeechYou know what the saying goes, and we know it. Can't choose your parents. You only come in this world with one mother, one father. Be thankful for them while they're here, no matter what. Because one day you'll be buried. And I think if we just get to that, right? It doesn't matter about the mowing your hands slavery or mowing your hands talking about the atrocities.
@xanderspeechBecause at the end of the day, the family structure is you, right? I come from the single parent household. I am the breaker of the mold. I made it to professional athletics from the hood, section eight apartments and all. I understand the life. I understand the struggle. I understand the streets. But I also understand that there is something special about actually being real in your community.
@xanderspeechI understand it starts with you. It ain't just a Michael Jackson song. If you want to change the world today, take a look at yourself and make the change. It's not just a song. It wasn't just that he's the king of pop around the world because it was cool. No, it's actually the reality. If we're really going to make that change, we actually got to look at ourselves.
@xanderspeechThe Negro community, Man, there's so much work to be done and so many people that should be able to be available to do the work. But at the end of the day, if you don't put the value in the community, why do the work? And that's why, again, I said I appreciate the rumor I was having because when Moynihan did do the work to shine a light on the Negro community, it was used as evidence to mock, to bash, to say he's racist, to say, why do the work?
@xanderspeechLook at this community. It's already going down in the drains. But that's your fellow American. That's your fellow neighbor. A child's going to be raised to go to school with yours one day. Maybe not your child or the grandchild. And I think that when you start recognizing that degree of proximity and level of proximity, I think that that's when you really get into the nuts and the bolts of it.
@xanderspeechBecause then it ain't no more about LGBTQ story hour. Because at the end of the day, if you have control of your community, those people who do that type of shit in the community, you set your barriers and your boundaries. you want to have lgbtq story time i'm not against that as a parent just know that when it happens can i have a heads up so i can remove my child and have the freedom to do so if i would shoot and and that if i would choose so and to violate that would have an would have a penalty that's all we ask and that's where we win at and i think that that's where we at y'all know the wife cut me off when i was talking but i just wanted to tell y'all but that's i think where we win that right
@xanderspeechAnd I'm wholehearted with that. And I got to do the wife, the husband-wife stuff, but I'm still here listening. But definitely, I just wanted to leave that out for the room, brother Rabbi.
@malleusigThat's good. That's good. I brought up, I think maybe now we can start letting people up to ask questions and discuss. I'll let up Ricardo Ray and Xander. Solomon can jump in too. I haven't heard from him yet. I guess we can begin the discussion portion of the space now. Go ahead, guys.
Speaker 7Yeah, I just think when you said negromus or whatever, I agree. Yeah, so I work in an environment where there's a lot of people, different races, different... I mean, I'm kind of retired. I work for a Whole Foods. We have people from Nigeria. We have people from Ethiopia. We have people from Indonesia, all over the world.
Speaker 7And I agree with what you're saying. most of them are fairly conservative in one sense. And I just wanted your opinion on that.
@xanderspeechMan, I think if you're working with people in an international perspective, I think conservatism is relative to each person, right? What's conservative and what I conserve is relative to me. But again, when we go to school, I think we're all in agreement that when somebody is driving, that we all recognize no matter the type of car, you should slow the fuck down when the children are around.
@xanderspeechUh, it should be understood. And I think again, the people who speed should get a warning, but I think if they continue, it should be a punishment. And I think that that's where I think that that's just where I think healthy business relationships come in because people don't screw over people who can hurt them. Nobody screws over the cartel.
@xanderspeechNobody screws over the mafia. You're not going to screw over a Nigerian drug lord, but you might screw over a regular Nigerian, right? Or a Nigerian might screw over and scam a system or scam a society, but they're not going to scam somebody who can harm them. So it's like we got to recognize that these boundaries that we do for our people, it can't just be relative to know how much money I can get from a...
@xanderspeecha business partnership as much as it is, how much when I finish this business endeavor, will it make an impact outside of the financial benefits that we may incur with each other? Quid pro quo, absolutely. Always, brother, but always recognize that there's something that goes beyond the scope of financial relationships.
@xanderspeechAnd I think relationship, financial, spiritual business, and all those shapes, I think, benefit at the end of the day. But it's all relative to a person, right? Because what's conservatism to me, Might not even be conservatism to you or what I might call center right. You might call left or far right, right? So it's all relative to the person.
@xanderspeechBut I think to each his own. And I think if you're doing business relationships on an international level, you already got a heads up over somebody who's locked into a limited level that never left their state, never left their zip code, never left their area code, probably never left outside of their localized or centralized version.
@xanderspeechWe call it echo chambers sometimes, but I think you catch my drift, and that's where I leave it at, bro. I hope I answered your question.
Speaker 8Let me ask Ricardo a few. You said Ethiopian and also Nigerian. When you say conservative, can you clarify that more? Because I grew up here. Personally, I like what the... what this topic is happening. I truly believe what Clementine, Ruben, Judah was saying. I'm very, very cautious when it comes to what they're speaking.
Speaker 8To this society, how I grew up in here, I'm very aware of it. And when you say conservative, most of Ethiopian and Nigerian, I want you to clarify that. That's why I didn't respond earlier.
Speaker 7mike to you if you're at the opportunity do you want me to like when i say conservative i don't mean it necessarily that right or left i'm just talking about people yeah probably that's not a good word to use but i think that most of us uh we're citizens of the world and we're in the middle um so that's kind of i guess maybe i'm more of a centrist and that can be good or bad too but
Speaker 7what I feel is at least the people I talk to, at least the people I work for and with around the world, we're kind of like, you know, it's like, actually there was a guy, Michael Parente. I don't know if you even know who he is or believe in what he says, but he, he believes in this world where there's us and them. And I, he was talking about this back in the nineties and now it's become popular.
Speaker 7And I think that to me, I don't hate to use those words, conservative, but I think the thing is that we're, I think it's us and them, like us against the elites. So I guess I'm where I'm coming from, but I didn't mean to be conservative. I think that's okay if you're conservative in the sense that you're just rational.
Speaker 7That's where I come from, not conservative in the political sense.
@malleusigTo be honest, Ricardo, I've given up on all kinds of political classification. The words are redefined so often and with such regularity that they mean nothing. And in my understanding, it's just best to stay away from them. Anytime you buy into that paradigm, you're locked into making inaccurate statements. I try to go issue by issue and define my political position on that instead because...
@malleusigIf you're just signing up for a bucket, conservative, liberal, centrist like that, you're not going to fit in. There's going to be something that doesn't quite fit into the envelope there. 100%. I'll shut up.
Speaker 7What's that? 100%. I'll shut up for a minute.
@malleusigYou don't have to shut up, man. Stick around. Talk. I was just giving you my take on that.
@malleusigCool. All right. Anyone else? I think we can continue to go through the report. We haven't gotten to the last two chapters, the tangle of pathology and the case for national action yet. We can definitely get into that if you guys want to.
@xanderspeechYeah, I wanted to go. I actually wanted to go because you read one. You went through pretty much one and two and kind of subbed on to three. But there was a part in three that I did want to actually read. It was about four or five paragraphs down under that. It was post. Damn, it was on my laptop. Let me go to my page into this.
@xanderspeechLet me go ahead and pull it up. And a great room, by the way, too, bro. Damn it. You're part of it. That was a great conversation, man. Just for real. I know if we weren't doing it right, we got Ian and Joe. They'll kind of let us know like, okay, the room is kind of going way out of it. But there was, and it's on, it's under chapter three, the roots of the problem.
@xanderspeechAnd I love that part because I am, I bought some soil today too. So I'm definitely getting ready for the roots. it was one of the was okay there it is i think it was starting here uh it said glazer i was talking about gla uh glazers about i would say if you looked under slavery not the first paragraph not the second uh but right there under the second big paragraph is a short little statement like glaze are also focused on brazil united states comparisons so it says uh in brazil's slaves have many more rights than any of the united states
@xanderspeechcould legally marry he could indeed and this is and i'm gonna i'm gonna swing it i'm gonna correlate it back to uh kind of the points that you were making from the first two sections as well too uh as i was reading i was just waiting to get the time it says in brazil the slaves have many more rights than in the united states he could legally marry he could he could indeed had had to be baptized and become a member of the catholic church his family could not be broken up for sale
@xanderspeechand he had many days on which he could either rest or earn money to buy his freedom. The government encouraged manumission, and the freedom of infants could be often purchased for a small sum at the baptismal font. In short, the Brazilian slave knew he was a man and that he differed in degree, not in con from his master.
@xanderspeechIn the United States, the slave was totally removed from the protection of organized society comparable to elaborate provisions for the protection of slaves in the Bible. His existence as a human being was given no recognition by any religious or secular agency. He was totally ignorant of and completely cut off from his past, and he was offered absolutely no hope for the future.
@xanderspeechHis children could be sold. His marriage was not recognized. His wife could be violated or sold. There was something comic about calling the woman with whom the master permitted him to live quote a wife, uh, live, uh, quote wife. And he could also be subject without redress to frightful barberries. Now, and that part, right.
@xanderspeechAnd that part, I would say the part that I would say just that. um monya him i don't think he omitted just by purpose but i think just the depth of it was that this the the the children could also be penetrated from the man as well he could take his children his daughter could be seven or eight you know how these you know who this is and and that slave owner could have sex with his daughter yep and
@xanderspeechHe couldn't do anything about it in law. He couldn't do anything about it in justice unless he wanted to kill him. And then that threat of him trying to kill him with, and then I'm probably even being killed or, or even worse than ostracized or his family sold or things like that right in front. These type of things are, were the, were the, were the experience that I think that I don't think Moynihan probably lacked depth in.
@xanderspeechI just think that that's a part that sometimes even underlooked. because of the actual climate on the plantation with these people. And we see it in the Epstein files, right? So it's no marvel, right? It's not like it's something that's out of the world. It's the same people doing the same thing. And he said, there was something called frightful, and it says, he could also be subject without redress to frightful barbaries.
@xanderspeechThere were presumably as many, barbarities, yes. And there were presumably as many sadists among slave owners, men and women, as there are in other groups. The slave could not, by law, right the slave could not by law be taught to read or write he could not practice any religion without the permission of his master and he got meet with his fellows for religious or any other purposes except in the presence of a white and finally if a master wished to free him every legal obstacle was used to thwart such action this was not what the master wanted to free him yeah yeah even if his master wanted the freedom and that happened in the case of my university
@xanderspeechWhen I went there, where the master wanted to free him, he passed away, but the son didn't want to free him, and the university was trying to purchase him, because at that time, he was a slave who was breaking the law by reading, and he wrote certain poetry, stuff like that. It says, this was not what slavery meant in the ancient world, in medieval and early modern Europe, or in Brazil and the West Indies.
@xanderspeechAnd it said, more important, American slavery was awful, awful in its effects. If we compare the present situation of the American Negro With that of, let's say, the Brazilian Negroes who were slaves 20 years younger, we begin to suspect that the differences are the result of very different patterns of slavery. The Brazilian Negroes are Brazilians, though most are poor and do the hard and dirty work of the country, as Negroes do in the United States.
@xanderspeechThey are not cut off from society. They reach into its highest strata, merging there in smaller and smaller numbers. It is true, but with the complete acceptance with other Brazilians of all kinds. the relations between negroes and whites and brazil show nothing of the mass irrationality that prevails in this country now even when we talk about it from the understanding of what monia here was pointing out i think one of the things that's even uh recognized and this is what i've mentioned in the last space is the ability to have a punishment nothing that's akin to anti-semitism punishment no it's rooted in the fact that in uh
@xanderspeechin um in brazil uh if you actually attack a brazilian based off of them being black and make monkey sounds or do any gestures like that you actually could go to jail for that right because that's a penalty that goes against the brazilian because they're brazilian but you're using it to them because they're black and i think that that's something that i'm mentioned in this space where there's not a penalty enough to the degree for the people who attack negroes
@xanderspeechBecause they then will try to say, oh, you're a nigga lover or don't worry about it or don't shake the boat. Whereas in certain societies, when they're actually akin to their countrymen and all the other slavers, as we have seen, they recognize their slavery as being akin to them as a fellow citizen of that society or of that nation.
@xanderspeechWhereas here in America, I had that different, I had a different, what's the name with it, but I'll go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 8It's going to take me a minute to pull that out, but what you said earlier, there was actually a famous from Argentina or something, she did say she made a mockery of Negro, monkey stuff, and she got exposed, and she got sued right now. She's in prison right now in Brazil. I'm going to search that. I'm going to tag that on the pill.
Speaker 8I know what you're saying exactly.
@malleusigRight. So the only thing that I'll say to that is that what you're talking about, thank God, was largely limited to the South. And the reason it was, was because Southern Americans were literally the stupidest and most violent Europeans they could find. They shipped over the Scots-Irish because they knew that they wanted the dumbest, most violent Europeans to fight the American Indians.
@malleusigAnd so they literally found the Scots-Irish and they said, hey, come to America, it's a great place. And that's why the South was largely Scots-Irish stock. Scots-Irish are way different from like, you know, the English or the Portuguese, Spanish, French, whatever, Germans, Dutch. Because they have this thing that you find in blacks today, which is this whole honor culture where if you disrespect someone, whether on purpose or accidentally, you're likely to get shot.
@malleusigThis is one of these things, one of these effects. So effectively, the black population grew up, let's say, historically, grew up surrounded by basically the worst whites possible. And one of the unfortunate side effects of that is that they externalized that to all whites in the same way that someone, a white kid that grew up in a high school where he's surrounded with all black kids and is getting jumped like every day by gangs of black kids.
@malleusigis going to externalize and project that out onto all Black people because they have no other information to go on. They have no other data points to modulate their impression of that race because the sum totality of their experience with that race is garbage, essentially. And I think the real issue is that the Black community needs to move on from...
@malleusigthis false impression of all whites as hyper-racist, hyper-violent towards black people, hating them for no reason because, frankly, the Northerners were shockingly un-racist for the time. Especially when you get into the abolitionist movements, you get into the 40s and 50s, and you're watching, even in the 40s and 50s, you're watching interviews on the street with people, and they're asking them about, you know, their attitudes toward blacks, and they are surprisingly liberal.
@malleusigIt's not, you know, it's not what Mad Men tells us where, you know, you're walking down the street and you see a guy smoking three cigarettes, beating his wife. Right. And then, you know, talking to Hitler on the phone or whatever. And he's like, he's like, I hate the Negroes. Like, they're all criminal. They're all garbage.
@malleusigPeople weren't like that back then. We really got a false impression of our past from Hollywood and TV. And it's doing irreparable, irreparable damage to race relations. Not to say that slavery in the South was not horrible, but we really need to move past that. I think both groups need to move the fuck past that as soon as possible.
@malleusigThe greatest chance for peace is in doing so. And in this chapter, I do want to highlight one sentence at the very beginning where he says, he says, the most perplexing questions about American slavery, which has never been altogether explained, in which indeed most Americans hardly know exist, has been stated by nathan glazer as follows why was american slavery the most awful the world has ever known the only thing that can be said with certainty is that this is true it was and this is the one thing that i'm going to push back on here because evidently uh moynihan had never heard of arab slavery arab slavery was in in kind and in size way worse than american slavery
@malleusigamerican slavery we didn't castrate our slaves behind a sand dune before we sold them so um and again this is why paradoxically the arab countries don't have a huge black population is because they castrated castrated the male slaves when they were coming in um so uh just keep that in mind that was the one correction i wanted to add to this chapter
@xanderspeechYeah, I've seen that part up there too as well. I think the part that would go to that is not, I don't know if he necessarily didn't know, because maybe our data reach with telephones and the way we have an exposure to information is way more broad and vast than even the most government agencies back in that day would have had access to as far as their ability to read all of the different books and stuff like that.
@xanderspeechI think one thing about... the American slave trade that is unique is that it utilized the chattel part. The chattel part is also what it spoke, I think, in that subsect as well, in that paragraph, speaking towards the fact that when you're talking about chattel enslavement, it differs in the fact that it looks at the person like an animal, right?
@xanderspeechBecause it takes the purpose of the human out of them, so that way you can utilize them for that purpose. Because in this situation where they were castrated in the Arab slavery in America, they were made to have sex with even their own children or moms in order to increase populations. So that type of mindset was not necessarily purported or deduced in the relationship with the Arab slave trade where they were trying to make sure that their population does not get intermixed with the Negro.
@xanderspeechwhere they weren't seeing the slave from the degree of, I want to reproduce you in mass numbers like I would a Rottweiler or animal, so that way I can expound on my reach. If I got 100 cars and I could sell 100, then imagine the profits if I could sell 1,000 cars. And if I don't have to ship those cars and I could use my own cars to reproduce themselves, then that's almost like a golden goose, right?
@xanderspeechSo you're kind of looking into the relationship of the slave to the slave master and America on that par with the slave to the slave master relationship with the Arab. I would say that they're uniquely different in their outcomes for what the purposes of what the slave was in the society more than what it would be raised off just because they're slaves.
@xanderspeechIf you go to my drift.
@malleusigRight. Yeah. And that was the key difference between the American slave trade and is that we. you know, American slave owners literally bred slaves. And they did this because the first move that America made to cut down on slavery was not to ban slavery, but to ban the importation of slaves, right? To ban the sale of slaves.
@malleusigAnd this ended up in one of the situations where you have like a perverse incentive. It's the kind of thing where in India, you know, the British introduced a bounty on cobras because they wanted to encourage Indians to kill cobras and bring them in, right? Because they wanted to get rid of the snake problem. And so, of course, the Indians began breeding cobras.
@malleusigAnd by the time the British caught on, there were more cobras in India than when they started. And they have the same thing happening in America where, you know, slave sales are, you know, you can't bring in slaves from the outside. But, you know, they're still allowing or maybe they couldn't control. slave transfers between plantations inside the states and so they would have all this incentive to now breed slaves and this is one of these things where it gets really weird real quick because when you're breeding human beings you're literally you're engaging in like animal husbandry with people where you're selectively breeding certain people with other people for desired traits right and this is where um
@malleusigThis is where that sports commentator, I forget his name, one of these sports commentators in the 60s got into trouble because he was commenting on a race and he was pointing out that the athlete was a runner, I think. Then he had these, you know, thick thigh muscles. And he was like, yeah, you see that? They were bred for that back in the slavery days.
@malleusigAnd, you know, liberal America wasn't having any of it. They effectively shattered out of his career for that comment. But it was true. I mean, we don't want to admit it. We feel uncomfortable admitting it. But, you know, people bred slaves, you know, for and effectively for lack of intelligence and maximum physical strength.
@malleusigAnd that's, you know, A, that's not a comfortable chapter in American history. And B, when you carry it through in the present day, it has all kinds of horrible implications that nobody wants to talk about.
@xanderspeechThey didn't even want to talk about it in Moynihan's day as well. That's what they was reluctant to want to talk about. They was trying to frame it as DEI, but Moynihan was simply making facts to the actual relationship of what we're dealing with, not making it an emotional one. And I think that that's where he wins at.
@xanderspeechAnd that's why his report is still valid and timeless. And it's actually, it was a great report. And I think the Negro community, if... if it didn't have the false propaganda associated with it would have benefited from actually having that report be broken down and then the and then the you know conclusions the report you know to actually have sustainable outcomes because like you said a national action plan would have been drafted and maybe those plans would have been so effective that we don't even see the handing out of turkeys as a big thing no more because everybody can then have their own ability to have their own turkey
@xanderspeechIf you could, you know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying.
@malleusigAnd this is one of those things where, you know, we all know that, you know, the only thing communists hate more than themselves is objective truth, is facts. And they will fight tooth and nail against any impingement of reality onto their emotions. And this is one of those cases where, you know, it's, yeah, we effectively, you know, you're probably pretty accurate in your report, but we don't like the fact that you used the word Negro.
@malleusigSo we're just going to call you a racist and denounce the entire thing. And this is one of those impulses that really needs to be squelched if we are ever going to have flying cars.
@xanderspeechYeah, because Negro is actually a people. It's not an offense. The Jewish people did that on purpose. When you look at the dictionary of actual, the Webster's Dictionary, Noah Webster's Dictionary, Uh, the American English dictionary, Negro is not an adjective is only a noun and is deduced from the word, uh, Niger or Niger from the people of the Niger or Niger river.
@xanderspeechAnd it's known on the lands of Negro lands, which literally have ancient empires. So you're not talking about a color. You're not talking about a people that's a Crayola box. You know, we're talking about a people that literally have the concept of being in their own lands and having their own sovereignty and freedoms.
@malleusigTo be fair, the word Negro comes from the Spanish and Portuguese word for black.
@xanderspeechYeah, well, it's an old word from the Latin root, which comes from the Latin root from that. But then when you speak towards the actual people, it's really people from the Negro River, the Niger River. It might. And that's the history of it.
Speaker 9It might.
@malleusigIt might. I'm reading out here on Google, it says that it comes from...
Speaker 9It's literally negro, nega.
@malleusigIt says it comes from the Proto-Indo-European root, N-E-K-W-T, which means night, right? Which would mean it's more likely that Niger comes from the word for black than the other way around. But that's neither here nor there. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.
@xanderspeechAnd that's how I always introduce it as well, too, right? So they derived... The word black from Negro. But we also see the people that when you're talking about Negro, it's the Latin word or the Latin root for Niger or Niger is literally the actual word you see in the Bible. So it's actually speaking about a people and that is one of the problems in the Bible.
Speaker 6And that would be Acts 13.1.
Speaker 8Acts 13.1, yeah. Yes.
Speaker 8Like, if you remember, like, from the Ethiopian calendar, like, the oldest... No, we talked about it before. It's actually...
@malleusigIt doesn't come from Negus.
Speaker 8Yeah, so, like, Nugus. Nugus means, like, king.
@malleusigNo, but it doesn't come from that.
Speaker 8Okay.
@malleusigIt doesn't come from... Negus is... A lot of black people want it to come from king because it sounds better. But you got to remember, the people that made up this word were not using it in a complimentary way. So it's highly unlikely that it would have come from the word for king. and um this is a point for me to i just wanted this as a as a fun little interjection here one of my one of my more amusing moments on clubhouse was that when i was um i was in a space with um i forgot his name but it's a really popular uh host he was going over a map and he had never seen uh the country niger before and he went off on a rant about how the map makers had
@malleusigsnuck in, apparently the racist mapmakers had snuck in the word, you know, N-I-G-G-E-R into the map because he couldn't spell. And he said, look, these people just call this whole country, you know, ninja. It was like, that was crazy racist. I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, dude. This is Niger or Niger. It's like, it's not anywhere near it.
@malleusigI realized it's like a lot of people that are weighing in on the racism debate are just tragically uninformed. And they all have opinions, but very often those opinions are based on nothing.
@malleusigSo you have to take a very, very large grain of salt in these discussions.
Speaker 9Like N-I-G-E-R, that is the Latin root for shiny black.
@malleusigIt does not mean king. He thought the mapmaker was punking black people. by slipping the word.
Speaker 8No, I had the same thing in high school. I had somebody sneak that in high school too.
Speaker 9And modern Spanish comes from that Latin root, N-I-G-E-R, which they both just mean black. And it's like, man, it's fucked up. They just called us by color, but it's more than that. Like we were kings, we had history. And it's like, well, I get called white all the time. If like a big group of white slaves, like, just got hoarded up and transported to another island that speaks a different language.
Speaker 9They'd be like, yeah, they call themselves white, so we're going to call them white because they're fucking white.
@malleusigYeah, you've got to understand a lot of, and I say this because I'm pretty sure neither Klee Mutt nor Negro Dom has fallen to this category, but a large percentage of black history is just black people making shit up. It's just they were bored one afternoon and they're like, you know what? I bet we did invent the doorknob.
Speaker 1Can I say something really quick? Did someone have a smoke detector beep going on? I hear that too. That wasn't me.
Speaker 9I put it on the background just to... for solidarity.
Speaker 1I was like, am I fitting the black stereotype right now? I gotta check my smoke detectors, dude.
Speaker 8I feel the same way. I thought I was the only one listening to that.
Speaker 9I grew up as a minority around black people. My mic's not even on. Do you know that black people eggshells to walk on? I have probably... I don't think I've really heard in my whole life... like a white person like a white person like a white person this is great this is that's a perfect this is great this is that's a perfect this is great this is that's a perfect backdrop for what i'm saying here i backdrop for what i'm saying here i backdrop for what i'm saying here i have never experienced really and i have never experienced really and i have never experienced really and i played like like competitive sports played like like competitive sports played like like competitive sports where like things can get heated i've where like things can get heated i've where like things can get heated i've never heard a white person go hey you never heard a white person go hey you never heard a white person go hey you never never but i have been called a never but i have been called a never but i have been called a bitch ass crack ass fuck ass bitch ass crack ass fuck ass bitch ass crack ass fuck ass soft ass and
Speaker 9white boy little soft ass white boy a gazillion times a gazillion times and so it's just like yeah like horrible happened to the uh obviously black people slavery is terrible and so but it's just like don't dwell on it bro like look at rome like the roman empire invaded and took over and enslaved england english people for basically 400 years
Speaker 9if you look at if you compare like the slavery um conditions or characteristics of how the english were enslaved by romans and how blacks were enslaved by the british or americans new americans it's the same like they they were for 400 years and it's just like it's all awful and i'm not making that comparison to be like you know what about ism it's just like dude
Speaker 9I grew up, I have so many friends that I grew up with, like, I grew up with mostly black people and the most successful of them, like gave like zero attention or shits or, or like, like, like almost zero, maybe even 0% like identified or like, like, like their blackness and how it, uh, like pertain to their identity and its importance to their identity was like,
Speaker 9fucking zero and I don't think that there's a consequence and like it's just just bro it's just the bitching man like the Romans fucking murked the English just as bad for 400 years the Scottish like wrote about it and they barely could write fucking then and actually that was a benefit of the English being enslaved by the Romans for so long is that the Romans had
Speaker 9They adopted the Roman alphabet. They adopted all of their norms and practices for writing and documenting history and organizing shit and more. And so when they came out of that, hey, man, would we have liked to not be enslaved for 400 years? Probably. But they came out ahead, and they were already ahead of the Scottish in terms of just civilization and development organization.
Speaker 9But they came out even further ahead. where the Scottish were writing in the beginning, like, sucks for you guys, fucking English. But then, you know, so, like, it's just all fucking shit. The stuff is complicated. And just stop. I'm not saying you're bitching, but it just sounds like bitching, motherfucker.
@malleusigJust fucking... You know why you get called all sorts of names and then no kids drop the hard R?
@malleusigIt's because... Because black kids know that if they call you a name Every white kid in the vicinity is not going to drop 30 IQ points and go into berserker mode Yeah, right.
Speaker 9You can say it with impunity.
@malleusigYeah, I'm not kidding This is my my theory is that the hard are is little this is why well the reason I don't say it ever it's literally a magic spell and It's it's a magic spell that only white wizards can cast if black wizards try like they say the word doesn't do anything right, but if white wizards say the word and
@malleusigit literally affects every black person with an air shot. And it's like, there's a, it's not deterministic, but like there's like some kind of like probability where it's like a certain percentage will literally drop in IQ points and they'll go into berserker mode. And the best example of this is that video of the, like the 15 black women harassing that one white girl on the train.
@malleusigYou saw this, right? She's like, say it. They call it a cracker. They call it a white bitch. Right. And then she gets up and she waits.
Speaker 9I've seen white people do that where it's like there's another white guy. There's a white guy who hates his life and he just wants to punch something. And he's like, here's my chance. What'd you say, white boy? You can't say, nigger. And say it again. And the white people do it. It's like Cain and Abel, man. It's just like you're resentful.
@malleusigBut the point is in that video, it's like she doesn't say anything. She gets on the train and when the doors are closing, she drops the hard R. but she doesn't give them a chance to attack her, right? But you still see them. All these black women lose their fucking minds and they start pounding on the inside windows of the train, screaming, shouting, right?
@malleusigMaking animal noises, right? Because one white girl said one word and it literally works like a magic spell.
Speaker 9All words are spells. That's why we call it spelling. when someone no no i'm not going to go that far no no but i i don't mean it in like the woo woo 5d let's ascend walk on sun crazy spaces i mean it precisely in just this way where like words are not actual things like i'm just making a sound tree yeah no like you go find me another word that has an effect on anybody xander go find me a word like teapot
@malleusigor convertible that has any kind of an effect on a group of people in the same way that the hard-R has on black people.
Speaker 9That's my point, is that that is the illusion.
Speaker 8You'll be blocked from this space. He'll be blocked from this space. We know what you're talking about.
Speaker 9You can't say it. It's just like I'm like 14 words into a sentence and it's just like somebody decides like, okay, this is good. I know, I know, I know.
@malleusigYou can repeat. And then we'll go to Negra Damus and Ricardo.
@xanderspeechYeah, it's almost, it's just like, you know, when you're talking about the hard R, whoever is controlled by it at the time that finds themselves in such position, you know, it depends on, I used to, I used to find a lot when I was young and I had a good principal sit me down and tell me, don't ever let a person words control you.
Speaker 10Right.
@xanderspeechAnd I helped him. He kind of helped me out. But I didn't do really the mama jokes and all of that stuff like that. I would just be one of them type of guys that tell you, hey, don't talk about my mama. Because I don't do that to other people, right? But I was big enough that you do the mama jokes and then you get on my face.
@xanderspeechI'll just punch you. I'll just punch you light. I'll just punch you out. Just one good heavy-handed punch. It's one of them. It's not a full attack. It's just to get the fuck back. Get on my face. And then after a while, people just got out my face, right? But a principal let me know like, hey, don't let a person's words control you.
@xanderspeechIf they touch you, you defend yourself to the fullest extent that you see possible to get away from the threat. But never let their words be able to touch you harder than their hands actually. So that was kind of how I lived, right? I kind of had that.
Speaker 9It's the difference between like spurting out in violence because like the words control you, like you're a slave to them, no pun intended. And like using violence like the minimal sufficient force to command respect. And like... So like that part is totally reasonable. Like that's, you have to do that sometimes.
@xanderspeechYeah. So no, my thing, my thing is, is that like, you know, to each his own, right. How you respond to something as not how I respond to something, how I respond to some, some things you might put more impotence on. I might not give a damn about or vice versa. Right. Like, so it's, it's, it's, it's up to each person that is relative to, but I think the main thing is, is that my son's trying to compete with talking to me.
@xanderspeechuh but the thing about it i think is it's just that when when you're when you're understanding just how america and propaganda has shaped out this monica you there yeah i did i just i just told my son i was on the phone and he's like oh okay i guess i just pissed him off though uh but check this out right main thing is it's just that like the whole purpose of the impotence of how a person responds to something is relative to who and what they are right it's not relative to uh the person being triggered and having the ability to hurt them i seen that girl who said when she got off the train i laughed at it yeah right and i and it wasn't like i felt like she was like oh this hard hard and staunch racist i think she was just going up with the play and just finding a laugh and you know doing it doing it just like
@xanderspeechAs soon as the doors closed and she said it, it was just the moment. It was just like, you know. I don't look at it from the same lens, I guess. I think she was sick of being bullied. She's not smiling under a lynched black person, right? She's not like smiling and holding an ice cream cone with a Negro's feet swinging in the background.
@xanderspeechIf I have to sit in a train car in New York and be subjected to racial abuse,
@malleusigfrom violent black women right we know black women are the most violent women in the world their homicide rates are higher than white and white men and women combined right if i have to be in a situation like that i'm tempted to drop the hard r just because nobody likes being bullied and you if you're going to strike back you're going to strike back in the way that affects the other side there's nothing racist about it's just like sometimes you get sick of being bullied
Speaker 1I say nigga all the time.
@malleusigYeah, but you're black, so it doesn't do anything. I'm kidding.
Speaker 9I stay away from saying the words on purpose. When it's used like fucking in a cool way.
@malleusigYeah. I stay away from it. As a white American, you have to make an effort because the word is said so... Oh shit, I can't say that, right? It's said so often by black people in popular culture that you find yourself unconsciously aping it, unconsciously imitating it, right? As a kid growing up in America. And you have to consciously hold yourself back because when you say it, it means something different than when black people say it.
@malleusigIt doesn't matter that you have no intention of being racist or it's just something that everyone's doing. You're not allowed to say it. And I'm fine with that. I don't really have an urge to use the word, but I do think it's kind of a trap. It's kind of like this cruel trap that black people put white people in where like they'll use the word so often that anyone around them, it just becomes like second nature to like to think of the word or use it in your head or whatever.
@malleusigAnd then, you know, force us to avoid saying it. Right. It's like this kind of like cruel hazing.
Speaker 9Yes, it is. And also like two things. it's just for a white person to say it like I'm not talking about saying it like in a hateful way but just to say it commonly it's just not productive but like again I had tons I was around mostly black people like did I have the N word pass yeah but I never really did it unless I was like fucking freestyling with them or something but like they knew where it was coming from but like I never said it but
Speaker 9Also, it's like, I can say whatever the fuck I want, and so can you. Like, don't say that a certain sound that I make with my mouth is off limits. Like, grow up. And so, and that's what I mean. Like, when people say, like, something, like, you use the N-word to a black person, and they, it triggers them, like, because it's so, you know, like, that is, obviously, you,
Speaker 9That's a bad thing to use it derogatorily in a hateful way. But anything that anyone says to you... I played baseball. I got heckled like a motherfucker.
@xanderspeechMy God, change the battery.
Speaker 9No, no, no. This is perfect. He says he's doing it on purpose.
Speaker 8He's sticking up to the hood, I swear.
Speaker 9But it's just like anything that anyone says to you... to whatever amount you allow it to affect you.
Speaker 9It's your responsibility. You are granting it credence. You are blessing it.
@malleusigYou know what, Xander? You know what the saying is? It's not what they call you. It's what you answer to. And the problem is, a lot of Black people are answering to that name.
Speaker 9Yeah. It's just like you have to look inside your heart and like... and you have to have a sufficient amount of like self-awareness to like understand like okay why am I responding to it in this way like Dave last thing I'll say is he had that bit where he was like meeting with Netflix executives and they're saying like hey you can't like say tranny you can't say those jokes because you know you're not gay you're not trans you know you can't right and but he says well like you know
Speaker 9And she's like, but the other stuff you say, like, you know, the N word, I'm paraphrasing, is totally false. And he's like, well, Denise, I'm not a nigger either.
@malleusigRight.
Speaker 9And he's like, so like, why am I allowed to say that word? Because are you calling me a nigger? And it's like, it's just words are, they're just symbols. They're signifiers that refer to the signified. But they're just, you have to deconstruct them.
@malleusigand um sure yeah if the mind is a wonderful slave and a terrible master and well the thing is people don't think about what they say like too many people run through life on instinct and we need to encourage those people to think about the things they're doing and saying a lot more and i think that includes um everyone a lot of white liberals white liberal women especially including that but i think that we are
@malleusigSlowly, we've been out for two hours now, and I think we're reaching the natural death of the space. So I think I'll open up to Nico Damas and Klima. You guys have anything you want to say before we go or any suggestions for next week? Because I hope we're doing this again next week, right?
@xanderspeechYeah, for sure. We can. Absolutely. I would just simply say that, you know, I was going to go and just get down to asking the question about, you know, When you see the family structure and you're having the conversation about, especially about in America specifically, I don't think white America is immune to these things that affect black America.
@xanderspeechI think that when we're looking at it from the lens of the propaganda, I think all of our children and all of our people in our communities are open to propaganda because know whether they whether they're controlling it to the best of their ability i mean how many times when you go at a at a friend's house or they playing something on youtube and you'd be like you don't got youtube premium and they're like no i'm not paying for youtube and it's like i'm not paying for youtube neither but i'm not going to be subjected to paying the subconscious price to these advertisements like i can't have these advertisements that the payment that's for youtube is very small compared to comparison
@xanderspeechto the payment for advertisements to my subconscious, but they don't see the value of that. Right? So it's almost like when you're talking about it from the, when you're talking about it from the same level of having the type of understanding that you're going to pay for something, it just depends on what value you're getting out of it.
@xanderspeechI think that that's really the firm nucleus of everything that we're having the conversation about, because again, When we were looking at the Moynihan report, and I was, I don't know if a lot of people missed when earlier he spoke. I'll try to get that in a purple pill as well so that way you can have it. I think I did.
@xanderspeechI think I actually did. Yeah, when he actually spoke, I did. A lot of people aren't recognizing that he was looking for a solution. A lot of times people look for the problem because the solution is way more, the solution takes the fun out of the problem. exactly right the solution is the thing that makes the problem go away and if there was a solution for cancer then you wouldn't have a march for noms you wouldn't have a race you wouldn't have you wouldn't be able to to take in for the for the treatment because the solution is surgery i think really i think what we're looking at in america is that we have we have a lot of treatment plans but we don't have a post-op treatment plan because the operation is supposed to do the deep under the skin deep down to the bone
@xanderspeechand joint surgery, and then post-op you're supposed to do physical to get back to a regular level. We're treating people who need surgery and wondering why they're never getting better. And I think that that's what we're doing in America, and that's what the Moynihan really reports go to. Because after his report, we missed the crux of the matter, which was the action plan.
@xanderspeechDoes anybody know what the action plan was after the Moynihan report? Or was the action plan nothing? so that the consequences of the report can become even more true. And I think that that's what we're dealing with. So I think, again, another complication could be, is white America immune from the effects that plague black America?
@malleusigNo, it's not, obviously. All indications are that black America is the R&D department of population control. So whatever is done to the black community will eventually be done to the white.
@malleusigbut yeah yeah good points and i was going to say i think it is ironic that you mentioned cancer because we have a cure for cancer now apparently according to a number of posts that i'm seeing an x i've been the ivermectin one with that one that was crazy so the combination of ivermectin and mabendazole which is a well-known anti-parasitic uh is curing cancer i think in one study it was like 84 percent of the people taking went into remission
@malleusigSo we may be at a point where cancer stops being a problem only because they don't have the resources to kill the people that are coming up with the cures now, which is fantastic. So that's good news all around. So on that high note, let's close it up here and wish everyone a blessed day or blessed evening. And we'll see you next week.
@malleusigHow's that? Excellent.
Speaker 11Perfect, bro. Perfect. See you there.
@malleusigThanks a lot.
Speaker 11Great space, by the way, as well.
@malleusigThank you, bro. You and Clemont made it great. And Joanne. Thank you. And Ian.
@joann_marieThank you, brother. I love you all.
@malleusigLove you, too. You guys have a great one. We'll see you soon. God bless. Stay safe from fires, smoke, whether it's smoke or fire.
Speaker 11Yep. God bless.
Speaker 8Anything.