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- 0:00X Algorithm Inconsistency & SuppressionHosts and guests introduce themselves and the topic: widespread complaints about the X algorithm's inconsistency and suppression.
- 1:29Shadow of Ezra's X EvolutionShadow of Ezra recounts his journey on X, from early censorship to the current AI-driven algorithm, Grok.
- 20:07The Matrix: X Algorithm's ControlThe discussion shifts to the Matrix analogy, exploring how the algorithm controls content visibility and monetization.
- 30:07Inconsistent Reach and MonetizationGuests share experiences of inconsistent post reach, follower stagnation, and the perplexing monetization system on X.
- 45:02X's Intentional Censorship TacticsJohn Dickinson exposes the GitHub code, revealing pre-filters and diversity scores that enable intentional censorship through mass reporting.
- 1:00:00Monetization and Content StrategyGuests discuss the changing monetization landscape, the value of original content, and strategies for gaining traction on X.
- 1:14:00The Power of Moldy BreadThe unexpected virality of 'moldy bread' posts highlights the algorithm's unpredictable nature and the power of authentic engagement.
- 1:24:34X's Tiered Algorithm & SuppressionThe discussion explores how premium subscriptions and account tiers influence visibility and the potential for algorithmic manipulation.
- 1:41:00News Aggregation and Content CreationShadow of Ezra critiques X's stance on news aggregation, arguing for a more nuanced approach to citizen journalism and content creation.
- 1:56:00The Political Machine and XGuests delve into the political implications of X's algorithm, discussing foreign influence, censorship, and the need for local engagement.
- 2:30:00Building Coalitions and AuthenticityThe conversation concludes with a call for authenticity, community building, and strategic engagement to navigate the complexities of X.
The Transcript
@shadowofezraWhat's up everybody? Just wanted to make sure everybody could hear me? Yeah, we can
Ian Malcolmhear you. Yeah, I hear you, bro. Yeah, give it just a sec, we'll get you in here.
@joann_marieHi, I'm here!
Ian Malcolmwell, perfect. Well, then in that case, I guess we can, we can kick things off. We got, a number of our featured guests, and, so excited for the discourse here. And, as we get ready to introduce everybody, obviously we are going to be launching into the ex-algorithm, all the things that are being done on the back end. we will be actually doing this in two phases, it's worth noting. and- I say that because just right out of the gate, I wanna call out, we will basically be focusing on the technological aspects of the trapdoors built into X, and as part of that conversation, we're gonna have both, technologists up here, folks that are from the coding side. Obviously, we also have Mr. Shadow of Ezra, massive social influencer here on the X apparatus. So we have a number of different styles of individuals with kind of different expertise, those that are experts on what- They're doing on the backend for the codes, those that are trying to understand the code so that they can continue their virality and understand why they're being suppressed. and as a result, very excited for all kinds of different perspectives on this common problem. Now, what we will also do, just as a caveat, we will be holding an afterspace. This is gonna be like the after party, for those that wanna discuss the who and perhaps the why some of this is happening, what interests those might be protecting, and- Etcetera, but we will leave that for the spicier rendition on the afterspace. The first portion of this gonna be very explicitly focused on what's happening on the technology side, and, and again, then we'll have that, we'll have the rowdy after party where everybody can have a couple intellectual shots and, and visit us at the bar. But with that being said, why don't we go around Joanne, and why don't we get a little bit of introductions from some of our other guest speakers, that are gonna be up here and,
@joann_marieYes, thank you so much for hosting, Ian, and thank you so much for putting this together. I, this, all of you guys are absolutely brilliant, so thank you so much for, for being here and also, I, I don't know anything about this topic, so I'm just really happy that I'm going to learn so much from you guys. So yeah, thank you so much and, yeah, welcome, guys. And guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and Shadow and Tony and Ghost and Jin Jong and everybody here. So thank you. Shadow Go, go for it.
@shadowofezraWhat's up? so yeah, basically this, space is about the massive complaints that have been going around in the platform. This Hasn't been just subjected to just people who post news, it's also to people who post memes. If you post entertainment, you post sports, whatever, I've seen the same complaint across the board, and it's not a political issue, meaning it's not a left wing issue, it's not a right wing issue, it's just the entire platform issue where people have been complaining. For several months now that the algorithm is inconsistent, you can't reach your followers, you can't get new followers unless you're on that specific starter pack, which X has introduced, I believe, a month or two ago. So unless you're like part of that crew, I don't know how the, how they choose that, if it's based on who you know, I don't wanna insinuate or, you know, Spread some rumors that I'm not sure, but that seems like the only way to get new followers is if you're on those starter packs, which works basically by topic, by news. It's separated by news, entertainment, sports. They have personalities there, memes. So if you're a meme account and you're not on that starter pack, then it's really hard for you. Get new followers. As, I don't know how long most of our, guests here are on X, but if you go back, just rewind just a year ago, it was like getting followers was like, the more you post, the more you, the more views you get, the more followers you get. But now it's, the more you post, the less views you get, and the less followers you get. So I would- I gotta be blunt here, X is the only social media platform out of the major ones Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and X that the more you post, the less you're seen. The, the more you get seen, the less followers you get. The more followers you get, the less your followers see your stuff. So it's like, I don't know, maybe I'm, I'm gonna use the word retarded, maybe I'm retarded. So I don't know. It just seems like something doesn't feel right here. I don't mind calling myself that. It's, it's not, I'm not trying to claim to be an expert, I'm just telling you guys based on somebody who uses this platform to, you know, find clips,
@shadowofezrawatch press conferences, post news and stuff like that, podcasts, whatever. So I'm trying to figure out just as much as you guys as what the hell is going on, but I see people on Instagram are growing way faster, like astronomically, way faster than on X. So with that being said, I'm gonna- Go to in, you wanna go back to yourself. Is there something you wanna add to that?
Ian MalcolmY-you know, there's a, a couple little pieces, to this, this puzzle, and like I said, we're gonna have a bunch of different individuals that are bringing kind of different perspectives to the table, which I think will make this a very interesting space, regardless of your political leaning or maybe your background, right? Whether you're on Shadow of Ezra's side and you're approaching this trying to understand why is, is his content, of course, being minimized, whether you're on Side, you wanna understand what is in the coding that is powering this application. Either way, I, I think this will certainly offer a, a rather nuanced and, and also detailed under the hood look at what's going on. And so the thing that I would actually think might be really valuable, first and foremost, I, I would love to get shadow from, from your perspective. Again, I mean, I don't know exactly where you fall, but you've been on the platform for, let's call it four years, you're just shy of a million followers, one of probably, I No, one of the hundred largest accounts on the entirety of the platform. And so I'm curious, before we start digging into the, the present, why don't we go to the past? And if you wouldn't mind kind of giving us your just personal bio in terms of the evolution of your content, what things were like four years ago under a different censorship regime, what they were like three years ago, a year ago, with, with Elon buying this, I guess maybe two years ago at this point, and then what you're- seen in the present. So if you give us that snippet, and then what we'll do is to flip the script and we'll start trying to look at what is going on with this proverbial matrix through the lens of some of the technologists that we are honored and humbled to have up on this platform with us.
@shadowofezraOkay, so let me just start from the very beginning just so everybody understands. I'm not giving a biography of myself, I'm giving, experience of how this platform has evolved, but I'll just use my channel as an example because I only have this channel. So, I was actually on X for, when it was called Twitter, but I wasn't using this handle. I used to just post casually, you know, under the Jack Dorsey regime, where I used to just talk about, like, I'm not getting-- This isn't a political chat, but I'm gonna just give specific
@shadowofezraA lot about the vaccines and about election fraud, and I used to get banned immediately. I think I lost six or seven accounts, and that was a routine thing back then. Rejectors used to just ban people immediately. And then eventually, I was off of X for a while, and I started building on Telegram, where I was able to get like a large amount of audience. I, you know, I was very much against the lockdowns and the masks and the vaccines and Dr. Fauci, wherever the hell he is these days, but I used to speak out against that stuff, and I started building
@shadowofezraAccount when I heard Elon was the owner, 'cause he was promising free speech, you know, he was saying you can build like a career here, so I, I, I transitioned over. And the first six months from when I made my account, I didn't really use it like that, I just left it and I used to just post, just casually post like once or twice a day. And then I would say I started posting more within six months in, because I was one of those people I would just like post something and just forget it, but then I would come back, I'd be And then, like five or six months down the line, I started posting more, like, I started like breaking news, I started covering like the election up until two thousand twenty-four. If you're familiar with my account, I talk about Epstein, BlackRock, all this stuff. Like, I don't really shy away from any topics, Israel, I don't care, Ukraine, all of them. Like, there's no like filter on my channel, which I don't understand. Maybe it's, is the reason why it's not growing as much as it was. But back then, three, three If you posted something that just happened, let's say Trump made like a political speech, right? And you were like one of the first people that posted it, but not that you were just the first person who posted it, your caption was engaging and interesting to your followers. So therefore, your followers would share it, your followers would comment on it, your followers would give it a like, and based on your followers, then that post would get circulated to other people who necessarily don't follow you, and therefore you would gain more followers. But that has now changed to now where everything, as of last year, is controlled by an AI, Grok. I don't know the extent of how much the influence is there, but I do understand. That, I mean, the, the, the, the coding is still the same as it was as, the last algorithm, but it's just now empowered by Grok, which decides if you're-- It basically uses like a prediction model. If anybody here is an expert, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I will just say what I can. I'm not like a coding expert, but I will say that Grok basically predicts if your audience or X would like to see the extent of what you're posting. So it decides, not you, the followers. So it's basically like the algorithm feels more like, I'm gonna use the word communism in the sense where everybody gets like an equal sort of distribution model, where if you post something similar, it doesn't matter if you have nine hundred thousand followers, nine thousand followers, or ninety, you start off as like everybody starts off even across the board, and then it distributes based on the engagement you get or if Grok predicts like if it's worth circulating or not. So that's been my experience so far. I just feel like I've been hearing like a lot of complaints about it consistently from people speaking on different,
@shadowofezralike not just politics, I'm talking memes, entertainment, sports, and even people who post about health and stuff like that. Or even sp- like specifically about the gym and stuff, they're like, "My followers is this, my followers is that, it's not growing." So I know it's not me, I'm not here saying I'm a victim, I'm not saying that, and I also don't feel X should pay me, that's not something I'm here for. But I feel like, as somebody who posts, I should at least be seen to my followers. That's all I'm asking for is, if somebody follows me, they should be able to see what I'm saying, if, if
@shadowofezraI
@shadowofezraStrictly in their discretion. If people wanna complain about that, I can complain about it in private, but I won't complain about it in public, 'cause I'm honestly, I'm just here because I like posting about news and stuff like that. So that's been my experience. I feel like it's very stagnant these days on X, but I will say the last two days it's feel, it feels a little loose. Like I can tell you guys when I post something, I can feel like if it's gonna get somewhere or not based on the way, if you refresh your app Like if your, if your post refreshes in a very loose way where it starts like moving more smoother, you can tell if your, if your post is gonna get somewhere, as opposed to if you refresh it, it feels like strict and it takes longer to load. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I feel like it. But the last two days have been kind of okay, it hasn't been bad for me. Maybe it has been for other people, but I don't know. We'll see. I wanna hear other people like speak about their experiences, not just news channels, like if you wanna step up to the mic and tell us your experience from beginning to end, what you feel like is going right, what you feel like is going wrong, what you feel like they need to improve on. We wanna hear from you, and then we can have some people who have, like, looked at the open source code and just they can provide feedback on what they found and what X said that they were gonna do, 'cause Elon complained about the-- I see your guys' hands, we're gonna come to you in a second. I just wanna say Elon himself has said multiple times this year that the algorithm is failing, it's not doing good. So this isn't just like, we're not all here just complaining, it's like a real thing that's happening. But that's what the space is for I'm gonna turn it back to Ian right now, and he's gonna go from there if he wants to select hands over.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, perfect. And, and as we always do, we're gonna have to have our, our theme of the day for Miss Joanne, and for those not familiar with the space, is normally we kick this off. Shadow kind of jumped the gun earlier, to fire off the space, which, no, no harm, no foul, but, in, in our little fashion, we'll always do that.
Ian MalcolmThe, the spaces that we do. If anybody wants to, certainly feel free to go and share the space down the little purple pill or merely, let's, let's say, enjoy thirty seconds or so of our song of the day, if you know what this is and more importantly, why it's relevant for the space that we're hosting. Feel free to put that in there. Bonus points today to anybody that can not only name the song, but also the musician behind this. And so with that, Joanne, get ready.
@joann_marieGuys, I'm so bad at this. Like, I'm so bad. I have heard this song though, and I like it, but
Ian MalcolmI wouldn't- Any thoughts, Joanne? And, and, for anybody that's not, certainly give Joanne a follow if you aren't already. The co-hostess with the mostess, she is in these spaces with us, is an integral part of them every single day, and I always love this segment. So, Joanne, okay, now for what it's worth, the name of the song and the artist, I wouldn't have
Ian MalcolmBut the why is this one relevant? Can you guess the pop culture re-uh, reference that would make this, kind of a reasonable solution or song for this, this, space?
@joann_marieI don't know, it sounds like Tron. Is it maybe-
Speaker 1Think about the poster that Ian made recently for the space.
@joann_marieThe Matrix.
Speaker 1Yeah, I guess maybe I gave it away too easy.
Speaker 2No, well- The Matrix,
@joann_marieno, thank you, Tony.
Ian MalcolmI love it. No, that's exactly- I just watched it last night, I was like, "I know this!"
Speaker 2Ian, just for the record, are you looking for the name of the song or do you know are you gonna announce it? The
Ian Malcolmsong and the artist.
Speaker 2Clubbed to death by Rob Dugan.
Ian MalcolmOf course,
@joann_marieMr. Anderson knows
Ian Malcolmthis. Mr. Anderson.
Speaker 2And it's,
Ian MalcolmI feel like that's
Speaker 2the-- If I remember correctly, if I remember correctly, isn't when he's walking, when he's introducing Neo to the Matrix and walking him through the city for the first time, that's when, that's when they're playing that song in the background when the lady in the red walks by. The
Ian Malcolmlady in, yes, what'd you think of the lady in red? Says the creepy little guy at, who's eating the gruel I want to eat the bugs and live in the Nebuchadnezzar. But, Mr. Anderson, for one thousand. Actually, that was for five thousand. We're gonna go for broke. That was an excellent one. Well done, sir. And that's exactly right, Joanne. From The Matrix, Keanu Reeves that we certainly are living within. And, and I thought it'd be fitting, right? Not only for the content, because, you know, at the end of the day, the thing that's so curious with social media Is, and I'm gonna be very, very curious for others' thoughts on how this plays in, and also how they're technologically, approaching this. It feels as though not only do we live in this digital, let's say, Truman Show, where they control the trapdoors, how is it that certain content is getting to everybody's devices, others are getting censored and suppressed, certain people aren't getting paid what they should for the content if they are monetized, which, again, I'm not, never will be. but, right? The, the- The piece that I also find interesting is not just how are they suppressing, but who is it that they are deciding to kind of vault to the forefront? How does that all happen, right? And, and so we'll certainly dive into those pieces of the puzzle. Very, very curious for how that's all gonna work. And, and why don't we do this? 'Cause I know that we've got Tony up here, another very prominent kind of influencer, very much so on the cultural side and the political side. Love some of the memes, the content that's pushed out.
Ian MalcolmShadow of Ezra, if it's totally different, and then what we'll do is we'll go from there down to, to Ghost of John Dickenson, who was actually the one that, was kind of the origin point of this space with some of the wonderful content he's been doing breaking down the algorithm.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah. So I, I pretty much have had the same experience as Shadow of Ezra, the past It's been like several months now. I've been using this account, posting from this account regularly for like a year or so, and it used to just be consistent, you know, I was, I was growing my account, posting, posting memes, whatever it was, and it was slowly growing, gaining followers, getting more and more traction on my posts. And ever since this, like, like I said a few months ago, there was a sudden shift where for a while it was almost impossible to gain any traction, and ever since then it's just up and And down, it's extremely inconsistent. There's days where I could post almost anything, you know, it could be, you know, the lowest effort meme or quote tweet, and it'll blow up, and there's days where I could post the highest effort memes or content, whatever it is, and it just dies. Like you, like a shadow of Ezra said, you could see pretty quickly if a post is gonna take off or not, and there's some days where it is just-- I mean, you are fighting the algo. It is extremely difficult to get- Get any traction. So I think that's my biggest problem is, you know, the inconsistency, because, I mean, that's just, an inconsistent product is a bad product. So in my opinion, X right now is a bad product. You should have, you should have consistency. I should know that, you know, my, my followers are gonna see this, and if I put a certain amount of effort in, I'm gonna gain followers, I'm gonna gain visibility. I don't gain followers anymore. I haven't really gained followers in months, even though I've had- Over the past few months, several, you know, viral posts, like millions of views on a single post, I don't gain any followers from that. So I'm not sure how they're doing that, 'cause that doesn't, mathematically, doesn't make any sense. So,
Speaker 1Yeah, there's something sinister going on, I think, personally. Well, I don't know if it's, you know. Let me, let me add
@shadowofezrasomething, let me add something to Tony said about when he posts something and that he feels like it dies off. So I just wanted to add a little bit detail to that. So there are days where I will post something and I'll be like, "Oh, this is great, it's gonna take off." So like in an hour I'll have like fifty thousand views, and in two hours I'll have seventy thousand views, and then
@shadowofezraI'll
@shadowofezraIt'll be at seventy-two thousand views. So I'll be like,
Speaker 1"Yeah, I've noticed this too, where it does, where posts won't just get cut down out of nowhere. It has traction and then all of a sudden it just gets chopped down. Very weird."
@shadowofezraThat, that is the only thing that I will like, grab my hair and be like, start cursing, 'cause it's like, I don't, once I have a post take off, I don't, I wanna worry about the next something that I wanna post
Speaker 1about. I don't wanna worry about- Oh yeah Yeah, it, it's, I've also experienced the opposite lately too, where a post is dead on arrival, and then like twelve hours later, for some weird reason, it just takes off.
@shadowofezraYeah, that's why I'm not really deleting anything these days. I noticed like, sometimes I'll have like, for me, like, fifteen thousand in an hour is kind of weird, but then I'll look, like, one of my posts from three years ago, it had fifteen thousand views in an hour, and I was like, "Okay, this is bad," I got my hair cut and came
Speaker 1No, it doesn't make any sense. And, yeah, I mean, I've had posts, just in the past few days, like posts that will get a lot of likes, but the views are extremely limited. It's not getting additional views. So like, like if you had a, a good algorithm, it would say, "Okay, look, this post is getting a lot of likes, we should push this post because it's undervalued." This algorithm doesn't seem to do that. You know, if a post is getting a lot of likes and it doesn't have enough views
Speaker 1You know, I don't know, that's just stupid, in my opinion, or it's, being done intentionally to suppress certain people.
@shadowofezrathat's the thing, this algorithm makes you feel like you're a victim, even though you, you're probably not being individually targeted. Yeah, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1individually targeted. Yeah, but sometimes
@shadowofezrait can make you feel like that, and then you'll just think, "Oh, yeah, I'm just gonna get off for the day." And then, you know, it's like, it's a waste of activity. But regardless
@shadowofezraThe third week, you're allowed to only tie your shoelaces this way. Then on the fourth week, you must be fasting for like seventy-two hours. So I, I'm not understanding these quick rule changes. I don't keep up with it. But, Ian, if it's okay, I wanna go to Brock real quick, 'cause he's had his hand for a while. I feel like he needs to say something.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and, and, and so I'm, I'm so, I'm, I'm very excited for this because, and I, I just left, We've got three individuals that all have essentially viral posts about the ex-algo, which I'm very excited to get each and every one of their, their thoughts on. The other thing that I'll just quickly add to the experiences that Shadow and that Tony were just mentioning there, within spaces, even, right? I, I welcome that I'm just gonna get-- So it's happening right now. I'll actually take a screenshot so I can share this with everybody. looks like the connection was lost, attempting to reconnect.
Ian Malcolmfor months now, every single, let's say three minutes, I get that little notification at the top. It-- I don't know what that is doing. I presume that it is somehow, spoofing, let's say, the spaces within their system or something along those lines. Normally, for what it's worth, if you're hosting a space, normally that happens if your connection is dropping out. I know that that's not the case right now, and yet that happens again every couple minutes, the exact same little banner. And I've been told by countless number of people that the Spaces don't show up in the Spaces tab, they don't show up at the top of people's devices on the screens. individuals for the most part have to go directly to my profile, it often doesn't show the little ring around my username when I am in Spaces, et cetera. And I'm not saying this to say, "Woe is me," rather to just throw onto the table that the suppression takes all forms. It feels like they target different individuals. It's obviously there are chosen messages, messages and- Messengers. I'm, I'm well aware I'm not one of them. I don't really care for my own personal, let's say, aspirations, right? But it does say something when this system is clearly not operating on a level playing field. Elon Musk promised the public town square, the digital town square. This isn't that, right? There are certain voices that are given teeny tiny little microphones and others that are just, you know, vaulted to the forefront of everyone's screen, everyone's page. And when you take that- That reality, you also layer on the fact that people are getting paid. Again, I don't get monetized for anything. I've never received a cent for anything I do on here, directly or indirectly. But given that there are a lot of people that do, right? What does it say when we see these posts with accounts that have forty followers are somehow monetized, they put out a post that says, "Love Drake," and they get seventeen million views? How- How much are they getting paid for these things that have zero engagement? We saw Nikita Bier say, "We're no longer going to reward just view counts, right? Now they're gonna try and do all these other things." But as we see that exact same statement from Nikita, who I did invite to this space, right, publicly on a couple of occasions, we also see him now saying that he's gonna go after people that post or repost content that isn't theirs. And for what it's worth, I actually think that that is a somewhat reasonable aspiration in some regards.
Speaker 1I don't, if
Ian Malcolmyou, I don't.
Speaker 1I think it depends, like, yeah, i-in Shadow's case where you're posting, your whole thing is essentially posting news clips and stuff like that, it's not your own, you know, creation, like, that's going to kill that entire, you know, part of, of social media.
Ian MalcolmThat's exactly what I was, where I was going with it, right? Let, let me ask the,
@shadowofezralet me ask the audience one question. If there's a six-hour deposition with Hillary Clinton about Jeffrey Epstein, how many people ar-around the Six hours of that, nobody, right? It's gonna be like less than one percent. But if somebody likes me, no, but listen, but if somebody like me goes through like majority of it and gets you two or three important clips that I know is appealing to my audience and maybe to people who have similar interest, and if I clip those Is that a bad thing? Like, I know I didn't create that, I didn't go in there and have the camera in Hillary Clinton's face, but I was able to listen to it, put in a caption for it, explain to my audience what exactly happened. So why is that considered bad? And also- Oh,
Ian Malcolmthat, and, and that's, that's totally- Right. So a good way to think about this, at least, and, and I'll be very curious for others' thoughts as well. If you are watching a sporting event, whether it's on television or in person, right? There's a part of it that you find interesting, you clip that out, you segment it, you put it onto your page, you explain why you're interested in it, whether that's politics or sports or media or whatever, that I think is totally reasonable. The, the accounts that are out there that are essentially just farming things that they see on this platform that are going viral and then are just basically copy-pasting that, that's where I can kind of understand where Nikita is suggesting. But again, to
Ian MalcolmOf the way the game has always worked, so people have developed those muscles based on that behavior, and that expectation, right? So, but they, they are certainly jerking around, not only the algorithm, but for those that are monetized, the monetization processes. And the last thing that I'll throw out, and then we're gonna go to Brock, is they're also clearly updating the application, whether you're on an iPhone or you're on a Android, right? The up, the app updates seemingly every twenty-four, seventy-two hours, whatever it is, which to me, it I'm curious, are they fixing
Ian MalcolmBugs? Are they changing the algorithm? Or it seems to result
Speaker 3in a lot of malfunctions in, in my experience. Well,
Ian Malcolmand that's where I was gonna go. Well, and, and here's actually a nefarious piece. Part of me, and again, I apologize for those not familiar with my work, I, I tend to go down these conspiracy paths. Part of me wonders if they're actually trying to stay ahead of the curve because they are actually putting bugs into the app that they want in there, right? And other people might see those bugs and then say, "Hey, this
Ian MalcolmParts of your device, right? And that they might be putting those in there, whereas the developers on either the Apple or the Android side might be trying to do things to counteract their ability to do that. Again, that's me going down my conspiratorial rabbit hole, but we know who X is aligned with in terms of verification and all these other things. It's not unreasonable to think that there might be, let's say, nefarious parties trying to do all sorts of things through this application, the manipulation of it. So that being said, let's go to Brock. I've got his viral post
Ian MalcolmAnd check in with, Mr. Ghost of Dickinson next.
Speaker 4So that's funny you called it viral, I have... So like two and a half years ago, I kinda discovered the, I don't know who's still around, like the de-boosting issue, the whole Shoemore issue, ads going away on people's profiles, and I cleaned accounts to kinda re-recover those. and that was all through anecdotal, like I, I don't code.
Speaker 4and this post I haven't talked about the algorithm in like two years 'cause it's a losing game, they change it all the fucking time. So I posted kinda out of my niche and it completely tanked. But this post in the jumbotron, I did run it through, Gemini Pro, Grok, whatever the top one is, and GPT, Pro, all extended. I, I, so I did three AIs pointed at the GitHub, asked it, you know, what's useful, what would creators wanna know, put it Put it all into one and this is kind of the post. The infographic kinda makes it easy to read, but I mean, that, that's just what they show us, right? Like they open-sourced it, what, in twenty twenty-three? It was the same shit. It's kinda like what you guys were saying. Sure, they release it, but they tinker so much, it's like, is it up to date, right? So I don't put a ton of weight into what they release, and that's why like spaces, if you actually wanna know, you need to hear anecd
Speaker 4Political, you know, and, and different niches as well. Like, you guys, posting in the political sphere, like one thing the, the open source thing even mentions is how much muting and blocking, affects, posts. And in, we know how it works in the political space, right? There's a clear like opposition. If you're getting mass reported, you're getting blocked, you're getting muted, that might hurt you more than me posting video game bullshit, which is extremely neutral, right? So
Speaker 4and then one, one interesting thing, like a lot of the, my post was actually just AI written, I didn't wanna steer it really. In under section four, hold on, let me, what did it say here? Worded it very interesting. It says, "So, I think Shadow Evader said it kinda predicts, and, and it does. And it said, "Before scoring happens, Grok's, which is the predictor, handles spam detection and policy enforcement." So content violating brand safety is aggressively filtered out before it reaches the Phoenix score, which is like the predictive who to send it to. So it does say there is some level of, you, you know, take that for whatever it is, I don't know what that means, but,
Speaker 4'cause when you guys said Well, this, now I'm talking, so that's like what the algorithm says or whatever, whatever they released. Anecdotally though, 'cause you guys were saying, I feel like the testing phase has been extended, like how dead posts will take off, how you'll get really good engagement and it doesn't result, like, I feel like that's a lot different than what it used to be. Like, I feel like it used to be
Speaker 4If you're really dialed to your account, you'd know in the first hour, like, "Okay, this one's going off, right? " and that's different if you're a bigger account 'cause you, there's more engagement, you can kinda predict it easier, I think. so I, I, I agree with what you guys said, how it's not as predictable anymore. I feel like the testing phase, like, the discovery phase of a post is longer or some shit, or it's just, it's, it's different 'cause it must have to do
Speaker 4Yeah, I don't know, it's, it's pretty weird.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and it'll be curious. So, so talking about the, the predictive piece, right? The, the certain content that does and, and doesn't get a lot of traction. and so what we'll do, I'm, I'm actually very curious 'cause, I saw that, that we had Diligent in the room and very excited to have him here, obviously a huge voice, does a lot of spaces, gonna be very curious for some of his thoughts on this aspect of suppression.
Ian MalcolmShadow Vedra, then we'll go back down to John and get more into the tech on how some of the suppression is prospectively working.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean, essentially, like what it says in my post is, there's two parts to a post. It's, it tests your, I mean, it always has been like this though, right? It like tests How a post will do based off your own following, and then it's supposed to take that, like, how it does there, and then push it combined with whatever the policy enforcement or prediction shit is.
Speaker 4but I, it's, it's mostly the same, like, yeah, it takes in your likes and reposts and shit, I mean, it always did, but with this new predictive thing, I think is kind of the difference. So Dylan,
Ian MalcolmI'm curious for your thoughts on, on, on that idea. If you see consistency in any of this, or does it seem totally haphazard between your content, what does and doesn't seem to get traction?
Speaker 5well, I, I missed, I, I just got here, so I missed a lot of your content. I caught the tail end of what Brock was saying, but I literally have no idea what the other guys were talking about before I got here. All right,
Ian Malcolmso,
Speaker 5but I can tell you my experience. Yeah, would,
Ian Malcolmwould love that.
Speaker 5there's a momentum to posting, right? I suffer the most when I have periods of inactivity. if I stop, if I put my phone down and do like a side project in real life, or if I'm on vacation, or if I'm traveling, or whatever it is, inactivity on the timeline kills my reach more than anything else. if I'm consistently posting, let's say, ten times a day, and I'm posting quality content, my reach is far greater, than when I'm not. That's one thing. Another thing is that,
Speaker 5a noticeable difference between performance is video. Like, video is king on here. if you post a banger just an image. That image might get shit tons of engagement, right? It might get ten times the engagement as one of your, as one of your videos, but the system shows it promotes video in that for you far more than it does anything else, like 'cause I, I don't know if that's because they've trained it to optimize for-- I, I know that they said they were, and so, things have changed, like you, Brock was saying, Grok is handling the algorithm.
Speaker 5so things have changed in that regard. For me, it's usually I will have a couple of bangers. If I'm posting regularly and I have good momentum going, I'll get a couple of bangers a day, like, with, with, like a vi-viral or semi-viral post, and that's anywhere from a hundred thousand to, you know, a million impressions or whatever with lots of engagement, 'cause you can get a lot of impressions even if you don't get a lot of engagement, because there is something about a factor for account size, how they calculate impressions, how many people see it, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is good quality content, right? There might be a good, a, a large account that's, that's, it's getting shown to a lot of people, but it doesn't necessarily mean that that is garnering a lot of engagement. You'll see, you'll see somebody with a, a post with 50,000 or 100,000 impressions, right? But then you look and it's got like 700 likes, 800 likes, maybe a few hundred reposts, maybe a hundred comments, right? And then you'll see another post that has 10,000 likes and a thousand reposts and 400 comments and a hundred bookmarks, and it has Sixty thousand impressions. Why is that?
Speaker 5I, I would argue that there is a lot of, there is a lot of scoring that is going on, based on the type of content that you talk about. I've experienced this more recently, right, where,
Speaker 5And this factors into monetization as well. I know Ian, I don't think you're monetized, but, all of this is, all of this correlates, right? There are certain topics if you discuss, okay, well, here, let me put it like this, there are certain topics that ad, ad companies don't wanna pay money to have their advertisers, their advertisements next to Right? They're being paid, the, the system is being paid to serve these ads, and to better suit their advertising customers, they prioritize showing content that's suitable with these ads to, in the For You feed, right? So if you cover a controversial topic that the advertisers don't like, and this is what Twitter one point o suffered, I wouldn't say it's as bad now as it is then, in some regards, I think there's a problem there, but, not quite as bad But, the system automatically prioritizes ad-ready content, in the for you for the broader, for the, for the broader public. I think these are cross-pollinators, what Brock was saying, if you post in something that's your niche or your, particular subject matter, if it isn't a controversial thing and it's like adjacent, let's just say that Brock talks about AI, well, AI is also adjacent to like social media or maybe- Maybe video content posting or whatever, creator, using that creator shit. There's a lot of adjacency there, but if you talk about Israel, for example, a lot, or in Ian's case, the Jews, well then,
Speaker 5you know, I feel like you're probably less likely to have your ad served to the broader public based on, based on that content. Now, this isn't solely because of censorship, right? This is also because of what the advertisers deem to be suitable content. which is a soft form of censorship, right? and then, but it's not-- it doesn't always, I still like if I'm consistent enough, I am still able to get some pretty good reach,
Speaker 5Even when I'm talking about Israel, right? Or, or, or, not just Israel, but Epstein, which is a highly controversial subject matter, it's not exactly pleasant to look at. So if you are trying to sell commercials, it's not necessarily, something that you want to-- you might wanna, but, you know, you might not want to put your,
Speaker 5whatever, your, your advertisement for your, your business next to me talking shit Shit to a bunch of, elites about being pedophiles, right? It's just, so I understand, I actually understand that, the four U needs to be based off of merit, though, right? So I think that engagement, like, I get a shit ton of bookmarks in my- E-evidence heavy threads, right? Like if I am, if I do some investigative research and I post a, a heavy video montage, which is what I do, I'll do a video montage of slideshows or whatever, and then I'll throw in a couple of replies that have all of my receipts in there.
Speaker 5one of my bigger threads like that will get hundreds and hundreds of bookmarks and stuff like that, and I notice that those live longer, than the ones that just kinda go off real quick.
Speaker 5those, those should be served too. I, I feel like, I feel like the, the, the platform shouldn't not let the To get away from the advertiser model, right, which is what they wanted for a long time, it's what E- Elon promised to do. that's why they hired Linda Yaccarino, that way she could, she could negotiate with the advertisers. She was seen to be in that crowd, right? And she's no longer with us. I don't know what that means in this regard.
Speaker 5I imagine they're probably letting AI govern both on the advertiser side and on the ex side now, which it can-- is concerning. but
Speaker 5now that she's gone, I don't know, we-- Like I have mixed feelings about, what's his name? Ian, the guy, the head of product. Nikita, everybody. Nikita, yeah, Nikita. I have mixed feelings about Nikita. In some regards, he is doing a good job of- Fuck, you know, root- rooting out, it seems like he is doing a good job of routing out some of the like Indian bot farms that are grifting off everybody, whatever, right? Like that's, that's true. but then I also see him going after people it seems like he disagrees with,
Speaker 5like it, I don't, it just doesn't seem like it's equally dispensed, right? And, and I'm not- I don't know if that's possible when you, we only see, you know, you see him replying to people on the timeline, it's an isolated, it's an anecdotal experience because this is, you know, they have what, a billion users or something like that, and so we're seeing a small window of what's really going on as far as moderation goes on this platform. And, I see, I, you know, like he called out Ian Miles Chong the other day, that was actually the first time I- Actually, one hundred percent agreed with what he did 'cause fuck that guy, right? I was like, "Yes, finally a little justice." But then, you know, I don't know if that actually balances out with the rest of what I've seen as far as him demonetizing what I, I see to be controversial voice-voices. And there's a lot of content creators on here that rip video, right? That in bed, whatever, and that's fine, you know? But don't-
Speaker 5I, I think, you know, telling people what's not going to work anymore instead of just like completely stripping them of monetization if they rip video all day, this platform was founded on ripping fucking video. The reason why it's the number one source of news is because information proliferates because of the incentive structure, right? As soon as you move away from that, you're radically changing the incentive structure, I think, without really kind of telling anybody what that incentive structure is. He said he wants everybody to do fucking selfie videos. I, I can tell you this much, I've tried that shit. I'm not a big fan of that. If you, if you want selfie fucking videos, go to Instagram. and which is hated by people who love news, right? This, this is a news app, so cater to your fucking news audience, find the best content creators that put out information in a, in a digestible, in a, you know, in a way that's appealing to mass audiences.
Speaker 5I, I do fucking- Video slideshows with like a Stranger Things synth, fucking background music on it. And some of those videos, as much as people complain about 'em, they're my best performers, twenty-six million fucking impressions or whatever, right? So, a-and there's nothing, it's not me doing a selfie video. That's me researching files and open source information and connecting, disparate data sets and, and finding the pattern and highlighting it for people. Saying, "Look, there's a correlation here, there's an issue here, "and people eat that shit right up. It's why I've been able to stay, stay going, right? I don't need to fucking do a selfie video for that to work. But don't punish me because I'm not doing what you think I should be doing, based it on the fucking metrics. If people are bookmarking a lot, if they're liking a lot, if they're reposting a lot, they're commenting a lot, reward that, reward that, don't reward what you think or what the advertisers think people should be seeing on this platform. I, I rest, I, I will, rest my case.
Ian MalcolmNo. Very wonderfully stated, diligent, and, when it comes to citizen journalism Journalism, there's nobody better on this application doing this day to day to day, than Diligent. Some of the work that he did, and I gotta say, I loved the deep dives into the Epstein files for obvious reasons to some, but regardless, the day to day that you're doing it, it really is phenomenal work, and exposing some of the most important topics, of the day. And so, wonderful to have that, that prism. And I'm, I'm kind of curious. Let's, let's go down to, to John It's gonna be very interesting. I'm gonna put this up into the nest, because Diligent, you'll appreciate this one. Not only did John rip apart some of the ex-algo to try and understand what's being done on the back end, he then had a fight with Nikita Bier about what he was basically exposing. So John, I'm gonna be very curious for your thoughts, then we're gonna go to Honey Badger, and then we'll go down to Jin and back up to, to Brock.
Speaker 6Hey guys, I just wanted to say thanks for having me. It's nice being in here with some of the accounts that I've been following for a couple of years. You know, when I was just getting started, you guys were, were, were still there. So, thank you for having me. For me, it started, you guys can hear me, right? We still got everybody in there. Yes. Okay, perfect. For me, it started, two years ago. I had posted
Speaker 6CNN videos of hackers at, e-um, hackers at hacker conventions working on, election machines. I was demonetized, immediately. Right? So, I, I filed an appeal. It took two years to get an appeal review, right? So I get, they, they reinstate my creator, revenue. I mean, I still worked on my account, you know, in between those two years posting various things, but, you know, I really wasn't Active, active, you know, 'cause I was kind of, dissuaded at that point. But once I, once I got reinstated and, and I started, you know, replying to different big posters, I started getting immediately blocked by them.
Speaker 6Right? Anytime that my comment would get any kind of positive attention, I would immediately get blocked by that account. Right? So I started looking into the GitHub, the, the GitHub of, of, because on our side, we really weren't like that, right? We were always about open debate and engagement. So even if we didn't, didn't agree with your point of view, like we're still gonna try to talk to you about it, you know, and, and, and see what you're seeing or you can see what we're seeing. But that's not what was happening. They were just immediately blocking, right? Which is why I think That, the reply sorter got switched around because anytime that these accounts were posting propaganda,
Speaker 6we were easily debunking them, with the most liked comment So I, I believe that's why they, they switched it around. So anyway, I started digging into the GitHub and I realized that it hadn't been updated in months. So I originally made a post about that, the one you guys are seeing up there is my actual second post. so I made a post about that and it got like fifty or sixty thousand views, something like that.
Speaker 6And, and about a week later, Elon makes a tweet saying that the The GitHub needs to be updated, because in my post I had put that a lot of the files were incomplete in the original open, open source, review, right? So I couldn't even review a lot of the files. I knew about, the scorers and stuff, but I didn't know where they were because that part wasn't, it was all hidden in Rust files and stuff, config files. So So once they open sourced the new algorithm, I immediately dug into that one, right? And then I realized that before Grok even sees our post, it has to go through three different stages.
Speaker 6And w- A couple of those stages were pre-filters and scorers, and those scores are determined by how many people have blocked you, or muted you, or reported you, right? So when you got these large swarm campaign of accounts that are mass-reporting you at the same time, it's just tanking your diversity score, right? Now for them, it's okay because we're, we're tiny accounts to them, right? We can't-- we're not organizing something that massive, so all they have to do is get a bunch of likes from their Their friends and, and, and it weighs out the other way, you see? So, so I start digging into this, this code and I make a post about it and Nikita decides he's gonna come grace us with his presence just to, community note me to say that it's not his fault. It's just not his fault, you know? Yes, the code is right, yes, I'm accurate on everything I'm saying, but it's not his fault. Right? Well, I think it is his fault, but, you know, we'll save that for a different space. So,
Speaker 6so that's where I got into it, and there is, it's, it's almost intentional censorship. I, in my opinion, it is intentional censorship, because a lot of these accounts that are manipulating the platform in this way aren't getting touched. They're not getting looked at, they're not getting suspended, you're not seeing anything about them. I call them the loyalist.
Speaker 6And, you know, it's no different than what it was before. It's just they switched sides, you see? We-- when Elon walked into, to Twitter with the kitchen sink and he fired everybody, it literally became the same exact thing just to the other side. Well, it's-- they're, they're not even on our side, period. You know? So
Speaker 6I think that's where we're at, and I, I think that, you know, the head of product not taking any kind of accountability and, you know, doing things like, saying, "Oh, we don't want people, reposting the same videos," right? To me, that's just because he doesn't want news to get out fast on this app, right? He only wants
Speaker 6curated- News that are coming from those top accounts and not the little guys, because if we repost the same thing, right, obviously it goes viral and they can't really control that as much. So I think that's why everything he's done has not hurt any, has not helped any of the little, little guys, you know? And, and like you guys were saying in the beginning, it was way easier to get followers, way easier. Now it's almost impossible. I mean, I watch my analy- my, my analytics and,
Speaker 6my followers versus- unfollowed is always much higher, but it's still very low. You see what I'm saying? So it seems to me like everything that they've done inside this code, inside this app, is intentional to hurting the little guys and, and centered around boosting this, what I call the botnet. You know? And, and why do you use that term, the, the botnet, just out of curiosity?
Speaker 6Because every, every one of those accounts all align to the same exact thing. There's no, there's no variation. No matter what the subject or the topic is, there's, there's absolutely no variation in between what they're saying. They just echo the same exact thing.
Ian MalcolmAnd so, so John, I'm, I'm kinda curious, and then we'll go to, Honey Badger, who I think has a very curious, take likely on this based on engagement metrics that she's seen. but I'm, I'm kinda curious because obviously, as diligent mentioned, I've got some topics that I talk about that I think certain people really don't want people discussing. I'm curious if outside of the bubble that I exist within, 'cause I, I certainly recognize that I am in one, right? If, if people are out there
Ian MalcolmOr the weather, or science projects, right? Any number of other categories. Are they kind of facing these same oddities, or does it only exist for those that discuss maybe political or social, content that is, is perhaps a little bit less, or maybe more taboo, I should say?
Speaker 6I don't think that those guys are kind of getting this kind of engagement that we do over here. I think that they're, they're like small niche.
Ian MalcolmSo, so those accounts that are, that are talking about, you know, the, the latest Hollywood movies or whatever, do you think their content is kind of more straightforward, it's less of these filters and just kind of goes through the algorithm a little bit quicker? Absolutely,
Speaker 6absolutely. Yep. Yeah, and they're not, they're not, they're not getting hit like we are, guys. So like, we're, we're being tagged basically because of our political beliefs, you know? So They're not getting that, you know, as long as they're not saying, "Oh, I'm, I'm this side or I'm that side," you know, they're, they're basically remaining neutral, so nobody's really negatively weighting down their accounts the way they are ours. Well,
Speaker 3if I just wanna bite in here real quick, I don't think it's necessarily about neutrality because if you look, I mean, I see these, I, I know we don't wanna get too political here, but I see left leaning accounts post the most absurd stuff. you know, it could just be like Trump is a pedophile, which I mean, you could see that on both sides, but, you know, just whatever, whatever liberals say all the time, they can make a something about Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk, well, it's been whatever months since Charlie Kirk said something racist, whatever, and it gets like a hundred thousand view, you know, likes. I don't, I don't see that same thing on the right. I see that on the left all the time, these massive, massive posts with, you know, basically void of
Speaker 3and I don't see that on the right, so I just wanted to, you know, throw that in there. You're
@shadowofezratalking about, you're talking about emotionally like charged posts that just go super viral, right? If you just curse the president or something, it just goes super viral. Yes, and
Speaker 3most, most of them seem to be coming from left wing accounts, not right wing accounts.
@shadowofezraI agree with that. That, that is one thing that I don't like about this algorithm is I don't know if that's legacy
Speaker 3Twitter algo in there or something or if that's currently, that's being done on purpose, if it's intentional, I don't know. If they
Speaker 6have,
Speaker 3if they have a large
Speaker 6following, like I was saying before, like, their amount of likes, like they're getting thirty thousand, forty thousand likes, it's outweighing the The number of reports that are coming in, you said- Yeah, well, yeah, 'cause
Speaker 3they don't get reported as much 'cause people on the right don't tend to report left,
Speaker 6yeah. Yeah, well, that's not entirely true either, because that, that echo chamber I, I'm talking about, if you go to that post he's talking about, I have at least twenty of 'em that have blocked me.
Ian MalcolmAnd it is interesting looking at the, the back and forth. Again, it's up in the nest for anybody that wants to, read through it. But the work that John did, the first readers added content about it, community noted, Nikita Pierre had direct little words with it. Obviously, you, you kind of stirred up the, the hornet's nest on that one. But I, I am kind of curious, John, one final question, then we'll go to, Honey Badger. I'm, I'm kind of convinced that if, if we think of X as the, the digital public forum, it seems to me the, the things that they want, somebody just used emotionally charged, it seems like they want emotionally charged content that's gonna get people, again, like the hornet's nest, all yelling at one another, that seems to get rewarded, and also what I would just call digital slop, right? They almost want something that is, it's, it's inane, it doesn't serve any purpose, it's demoralizing, it's degen- It's either videos of fights or some kind of demoralizing, let's say, relationship drama, right? Like all of those things, I, I get forced fed on my For You page, and I'm like, "Why, why am I watching this? You know, the, the fight of people in a Chipotle that I saw two weeks ago?" All, all from people you don't follow,
Speaker 6right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it's intentional, and I believe it's intentional. They like that, that, that emotionally charged, Content. They like to cause division and, and shit, you know?
Ian MalcolmWell, very curious. Well, speaking of which, let's, let's go, back from the tech side over to, the content construction side. 'cause we've got the Honey Badger in here with a, obviously a very large account, but you've also been on here since twenty seventeen, so almost a decade on the platform. Honey Badger, I'm really curious for your thoughts on the past, the COVID era, the present, how it might either be different or, very similar.
Speaker 7Oh my god, it's such a line of demarcation between Twitter one point o and, and then X. You know, I would say the biggest line of demarcation in the mass-- that was a mass exodus in twenty nineteen, and then there was a mass resurgence when monetization came into vogue, right? So I, yeah, I've kinda seen the gamut. But one of the things I'd like to say, 'cause everybody is saying things that are basically right. You know, nobody has-- I haven't heard anybody say anything That's horseshit. You know, fifty percent of what we're saying right now is true, we just don't know which fifty percent it is right now because we're really not sure where the algorithm stands today at the moment. You see what I'm saying? So I, I wanna make this distinction because I know Brock probably has a lot to say. But, and so speaking of Brock, his-- so a couple of years ago, his, his cousin is a, is a copywriter, and so he actually helped me to, you know, learn how to-- he taught me how to construct a, a well-conceived long-form post, for example, so how to space it, you know, how to, you know, how to create the hook. A call to action, all the, you know, how to like write out a, you know, long, like a long form post that was attractive and that made, you know, that people would want to read. And then also I know the times of day to post, I know, you know, how to check the times of day when my, my, you know, audience is most active, and then of course I, I definitely know what, what wheelhouse I'm in. And of course, you know who your haters are.
Speaker 7But so, but so taking it a step forward, for the, I, I really wanna say this because I think that this is gonna speak to what a lot of people are kinda circling around, is the Israel issue, you know, it's the JQ, if you will. and I sent you my metrics, Ian, back in, in March, and so there was, so- What happened during March? Well, I don't know if anybody remembers, but this is gonna sound niche, but, but it'll make sense. That was when a specific,
Speaker 7Catholic called out a specific issue in the government regarding Zionism, who happens to be my friend, and that was like the hot-- that was the subject of the day. Why was it the subject of the day? Not just because people were interested in it, but because of the counter-mass signaling, against this person and what was- Being said, and really was, you know, defending, you know, the Cathol- you know, Catholicism as being non-Zionist and explaining it from that, you know, that place. So this just happens to be my, you know, it just, so it just happened to play into the things that I talk about all the time, right? And so I was having days where I was, you know, getting over a million impressions like consistently, like, and I'm not saying just one post, I, you know, I'm saying across the board, you know? And so then Happened in April, well it tanked, it tanked profusely, you know, and I think it dropped like three hundred percent. Now, I didn't change any of my behaviors, and I really didn't change the conversation, but the conver- the, the news cycle moved on, you know, sort of, but didn't really. Well, no, because then what happened in lieu of that, or what was really, what, what really was popping at the same time, well, you know, I think a lot of people know
Speaker 7that, you know, the, the Started to take off. So there again, what happens? You know, MAGA Inc. out in full effect, and I was getting a lot of, you know, a lot of thrashing from that lockstep movement of, you know, of pro-- you know, the pro-war message that, you know, people actually were, you know, used to be my friends, but I was also getting mass blocked and mass reported. So my point is this, and, and so like diligent came and he said a lot of stuff that speaks, speaks to his particular account ties, the things that, He likes to talk about, et cetera, and, you know, I just kind of like sprinkled in some of the logistical things that we do to make, to, you know, do the best we can to improve our reach. But even in the last, and I, I mean, I wish Kevin Thurlow was here 'cause he would back me up on this, one of the things that's been removed from our impressions or, or the way that we're monetized is,
Speaker 7the, is, is our, is our replies. So, you know, and I Half of your engagement now, it doesn't get paid at the same rate, but nonetheless, like you might have been getting banger, you know, you might have a banger reply that even a logs the post or, you know, it, it like, you, you ratio the post, that really doesn't count anymore. So a lot of things changed back in April as well. Again, that's just housekeeping, but nonetheless, I think that what we're seeing too, and this is what we know for sure, is that there are pods of people that are getting paid outside Of the platform to advance, and, you know, Ashley St. Clair's like been barking like a dog about this. You know, of course, she does it on TikTok, and everybody just brings her stuff over here, and everybody talks about Mega Inc., you know? But, but, but, but at the same time, we know that this exists. We've, we've, we've seen that this happen, so we really can't blame-- I'm, I'm trying to be fair. We really can't blame Elon, that on Elon. But one thing we can say, and
Speaker 7Replied, quote, in kind, quote unquote, very emotionally when he has been challenged. And so I don't know about you guys, but like, you know, if I'm running a business and, you know, I'm the CEO or like, I'm, I'm operating a business, I don't think, you know, I don't know what business model it is that tells you that it's a good idea to insult your customers and to, you know, and to countersignal the complaint. But I will leave it there. And so, I mean, I hope that that
Speaker 7Mastiff to me about this conversation. I'm looking around the space, and I know a lot of y'all don't like each other. I, I know a lot of you guys, I know a lot of you guys are coming together to have this conversation. I think that's awesome, because at the end of the day, you know, if we can support each other's right to say what we think, and, and to, and to hear each other, you know, I mean, the, the, you know, freedom of speech is the right to be wrong,
Speaker 7you know, or, You know, and so may the, may, you know, may the alga be with you or whatever.
Ian MalcolmMay the alga be with you. Anyways, I love that. And, and look, the, the one thing I value above anything and everything is free speech and the pursuit of truth. And as long as people are aimed at that, I don't care what their political prerogatives are, I welcome them in, and I, I, I think to that point, that everybody should be heard, right? If anybody that cowers away from that, which is why
Ian MalcolmUnpack, right? And, and Honeybadger, not sure if you're here at the beginning, I, I, I was suggesting that we were gonna bifurcate this into the technology and kind of the what's happening, and then we're gonna have an after-hours space where people will kinda kick off the, the jackals, let's say, of, of, the speech patrol. So we'll, we'll go into some of the darker elements of the who might be behind that, but really quickly. And, then we're gonna go to Jin here, and very curious for his thoughts, and then we'll go to Brock, who I know that Honey Badger mentioned, and I'm, I'm very curious for Jin's thoughts because he's been not only looking at the code, but also kind of tinkering with it to understand what, what has virality, how does this all work, what should people be doing? And so I think for those that are listening, trying to get best practices on how to get around this, I think he's gonna be a wonderful contributor and voice here
Ian MalcolmAnd I say every single space that I host, every single, let's say every two or three minutes, without fail, I will get the little notification that I just put up at the, again, in the nest. I don't know what that is about, I find it very strange, and it started happening a couple months ago, which coinc- coincidentally, it coincided with people sending me all sorts of messages saying the audio cuts out in your spaces, I can never see them, I never know what you're doing, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Ian Malcolmblah. So, But also, Gin, one of the other things, speaking of content that seems to do well, I don't know why this is, but I post lots of things. I sometimes make videos that I think are very compelling and interesting, some of them go absolutely nowhere. You know what always does well? Are pictures of moldy bread, where I reply to people I don't like with just an image of moldy bread, and I proceed to get, in some cases, in, in fact, I'll put it into the nest, with Rabbi Shmuley, he got fifty likes I clicked on his post and my pic, my picture of moldy bread got twenty-five thousand, not views, twenty-five thousand likes to Rabbi Shmuley's fifty with literally just a, a thing of moldy bread, which I got from Dr. Simon Gaudic as an inside joke, and I'm gonna see if I can get him in here. But, Jen, I bring those things up because when it comes to this suppression, it seems like there's a million trap doors. I don't know what this reconnecting thing is, the bug that they've-- it doesn't matter
Ian Malcolmbut simultaneously, I don't know why moldy bread is so wonderful. The people crave it, they love it, and the algorithm doesn't seem to, to stop it. So, Jen, I'm kind of curious for some of your thoughts on this, and then like I said, we'll go back to Brock.
Speaker 8Okay, guys, can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmWe sure can, my friend.
Speaker 8Okay, perfect. So first of all, wow, I mean, I'm compared to you guys, I'm like a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little man. So I literally started the account in January of 2026. My entire idea of starting this account is because I wanted to so, I, I wanted to do something I was on, social media doing absolutely nothing, just doom scrolling. So I thought, hey, you know, this TryX seems interesting to me, so I wanted to just try it, and
Speaker 8it, it just started off from there because the only thing I could have done is just see what is working and what's not working. Because as a new guy who has zero followers and nothing from blank pages, I really needed to understand the media, the, the X itself. And as you guys know, like, I think that was in January when reply was a big thing. So all I did, literally, I'm not kidding, all I did was reply, reply, reply, reply, and I think I was replying about two to three hundred replies per day. And then I was just following, communicating, and engaging, that's all I did. And then started from there, I started to see, okay, that's been working, and I tried a bunch of different things, including follow-to-follow, all the things that we now despise. Now I know it's the incorrect thing to do, but before I didn't know any better, so that's all I did. But fast forward,
Speaker 8as my tiny, tiny account grew into the size of today, I started to notice a lot of different things. Now, the-- one of the biggest things that I wanna talk about, because it's related to what you guys talked about, is the like ratio, repost, bookmark, quoting, and all those stuff. Because as I'm trying to post my content, I needed some type of analytic to go back.
@joann_marieDid you cut off?
Ian MalcolmI think so. Are you there, Jen?
Speaker 8Rogi- Yeah, sorry, somebody called, somebody called. Does that work? can you guys hear me now? Yeah, welcome back. Yeah, how old are you? I love that you got this to me. Mine picked up
Speaker 9the phone in the modem, no! Mine,
Ian Malcolmmine calls me all the time. Her name's Joanne, and I love her very much.
Speaker 8Sorry, probably asking if I ate or not. so, going back to it, the, the way I grew was literally, I'm not kidding, guys, I needed to change my behavior Hundred times. And when I talk about changing my behavior, I look at one content and did well, I'm like, "Ooh, I wanna copy that, I wanna try that again." I did it and like, it tanks. I'm like, "Okay, why it didn't work?" And I start to look at what other post was doing well.
Speaker 8Especially the time we were talking about Aprils and all those, especially after those changes, nothing made sense. All of a sudden, content that started to go off was Okay, this one, one million. Why does it have twenty likes? Why does it have like maybe twenty bookmarks or maybe sixty comment? How did it go up to that impression? So I started to really dig into, okay, maybe my content sucked, maybe my hook wasn't good, or maybe the X is looking into, emotional engagement, right? So I tried that, and well, that didn't work. I even tried the, the same thing as when Nikita posted, picture For a blog, I kinda made a joke about it, okay, I'm gonna post something quality as the kid is telling us to do, picture of coffee. So things like that, I literally tried everything and everything that I can think of to really see what worked and what didn't work, and my answers to that is it really depends on the timing of the post and what you're posting and what the blog is asking us to po-post. And that changes so often that when my followers and when my sub ask, hey What can I do? My answer to them, and, and then, hopefully my subs are here. My answer to them is literally is trial, trial and error. You guys have to try it. If it works, great, you're blessed. But if it doesn't work in a couple of days, that's not your fault. It's not you messing up. It's not something that is bad. It's literally algo just deciding to bury you. And now you gotta understand, oh, okay, what do I have to do next? There's certain subject that does go well, be- I kind of figured this out is that
Speaker 8when something big happen, especially within your niche, if you go up to your niche, you'll get buried anyways, that's another topic, but within your niche, if something big happen, if you talk about that, it seems to be that you get pushed instantly at, at, at the front. It doesn't, a-and I think this is going back to the followers count, it doesn't matter if you have a thousand followers, two hundred followers, a hundred thousand followers, it really doesn't matter, it level playing field. So that helped. But, from my experiences, yes, like honestly, this seems so random that I don't even know how new creators can come in and figure this algorithm out. Because usually, how people grow into the creator,
Speaker 8industry is that you really need to continue to get better at your craft. But you can't really get better at your craft if things changes this much. That's my issue. If the Nikita's goal is for platform to grow, okay, I got it, that's good. So just tell us, give us the transparency, give us what we need to do, then we'll just go with that. Because honestly, this is a private company, so we do what we have to do. It is what it is. And I, I just wanna talk one thing before I end it, is that I had a situation where I post something about, hey, like
Speaker 8the monetization. If you don't keep a five million impressions within ninety days, you lose impression. I think that was one of the biggest topic that people talk about. So I done my research, I done everything that I could, and then I asked, Grog, and I, I done my research, looked at the webpage and everything, and then even reached out to X Corp, and they're like, "Yeah, you need to keep the five million per every ninety days. If you don't, you will lose it." And I posted that Because I thought, okay, I done my research enough, so it's good to talk about it. As soon I post, obviously went viral to, to, to my size, okay, didn't went a million like you guys do, but it went viral, so fine. And then, ex-employee commented on it, saying, "Oh, that's a lie, you know? It, that's not true." So I basically told her, "Well, like, can you tell me, like, which part of this explanation or the, the, the policies that I'm seeing that is incorrect because your system is telling me this is how I'm supposed to do?" And then now you're commenting and making fun of me, saying this isn't correct, and I later found out I'm not the only one she has done that. There's multiple other creators actually face a similar thing. And my issue with, I think going back to how Nikita, reacts emotionally is that if there's something that is incorrect or we're kind of questioning it, ethically we're not really being emotional about it, we're not really throwing a tantrum, we're just asking, and their response is that it's very emotional, saying, "Oh, you're lying. You I was basically called an engagement farmer,
Speaker 8right? So that kind of threw me off for a bit, but, you know, I kind of got emotional at that post, but I kind of scaled it back and said, "Okay, it's what it is," and kind of moved on. But I think I wanna end it with the biggest problem with this platform is the inconsistencies and no transparencies and non--like no clear guideline of, of, of what we need to do to make sure that we don't get banned, Anikita. As we are always scared. So honestly, that's been my experiences.
Speaker 9Yeah, I saw her come in there and, you know, drop that hot take on you when their system, like you said, it says exactly what you said, and you're, you just were repeating what you, you got information from. And for her to accuse you of, like, engagement farming, I mean, that was just absurd, like, it was, it was, it was uncalled for, basically, you know?
@joann_marieIt's also so crazy how they remove likes and reposts. Like right now in the post that Ian shared in the nest of the, of the moldy bread, I had already liked it and retweeted and I looked at it and I haven't done it. So that, that is so crazy.
Speaker 10Yeah, I've also noticed that a lot of older, if you look at like your older posts and stuff, the likes have suddenly just disappeared and all the information, all the impressions have disappeared. So I'm not sure if that's a glitch or if that's- Like, a new thing where, after a certain amount of time, your posts just like clear? I don't, that, that's-- I just noticed that today, so I'm not sure what the hell's up with that.
@shadowofezraAlso, they remove your followers too. I've had, like, somebody try to follow me four or five times, and they keep removing that person. They keep removing- Yeah, I've experienced that on both ends,
Speaker 10on losing followers that would say, like, "Hey, I was following you," and then I randomly n-not following you, and then me following someone and then unfollowing them without unfollowing them. Yep.
@shadowofezraBut Ian, I got a question for the audience. I wanted somebody to explain the fact, we all agree that we're not getting new followers, right? It's hard to get new followers. So if there's an expert who knows, how can a social media app stop you from getting new followers if you're consistently going viral? I don't understand that. Like, they're not physically going onto the other person's phone and saying, "Don't press the follow button." Like, I see some of my posts getting three, four million views, and a lot of the comments are from people People who don't follow me. But usually when you come across like a post that you see is viral and you're interested in, you engage with it, and that person you're not following, you know, sometimes you'll be like, "I'll follow this person, but I wanna know like what exactly is X doing? Can somebody answer that question?" They must be shaving followers off, like older followers or something. That's what, that's, it's either that 'cause I can't keep up with looking at that all day. I mean, if they do it monthly. It's either that
Speaker 7You know, if they do a bot purge, but I'll put a casual bot purge.
Speaker 10Yeah, sometimes it is a bot purge, but that, that I feel like we-- you can see when that happens 'cause you lose a couple hundred followers, like in an instant. Exactly.
@shadowofezraI'm talk-- I'm talking about casually from one day to the next. You know when a bot sweep is happening? I wanna know like from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, if you're going viral on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and you're only gaining like a hundred followers, but you're getting millions of views
@shadowofezraHow can I, on social media, prevent you from getting new followers? Yeah, so,
Ian Malcolmso, so, so, to, to, to set that one up, for, for this next commentary, I'm gonna be curious for it, because, again, the, the thing that I pointed out with the, attempting to reconnect to the space, Mark Vautrin, eight minutes ago, reported that he's been booted from the space three times already, he posted. and, and there, I get messages like this every time we host spaces that they
Ian MalcolmOut of the room. This is just, it's just another day on Twitter if you talk about certain issues that they don't want you discussing. And, so whether, whether it's that or the likes being removed, the other one that I'll comment on real quick, and Joanne will remember this, I got ninety-nine point nine thousand followers and then would go back to ninety-nine point eight, point seven, point six, point five, point four, point five, point four, point six, point three, and it went on for like three weeks And then it went all the way back up, and I even looked at it, and I said, "Okay, Joanne, today's the day, and we did a space to celebrate a hundred thousand followers, 'cause I was at ninety-nine thousand nine hundred and eighty-something. I was like, "Okay, it's going to happen. " We held the space for like three hours. Now, here's the funny part. During that window, X said that I had received another twenty-five followers, and I know that that was the case because if you're a premium member, it shows you in
Ian MalcolmWindow, I lost none, and yet I didn't get over a hundred thousand. And this proceeded to happen for three straight days. We closed the space, and we kind of joked about it. We were like, "Oh, well, maybe tomorrow." And then it went on for another seventy-two hours. I gained a hundred plu-- and I'll put this up in the notes, a hundred plus followers every day. I wouldn't lose more than ten, and yet I didn't go up point one thousand, point one one thousand followers, right? and cross that hundred thousand. Then Maybe a week later. And so my point is that there is something being done. I am convinced that for every two or three followers you gain, you basically lose one. And what I think that they're actually doing, because I don't know about you guys, but I get a lot of followers, I'll click on it, it says it has ten, twenty, fifty followers, maybe the account was formed two or three months ago. I'm convinced what they do is that they attach little parasitic bots to your account, that those accounts don't do anything in terms of engaging with the content that you- You con- you construct, right? We know that the algorithm is designed so that the newer followers get more of the things that you're putting out. And so think about what this means, if my presumption is correct, right? That means that the new followers you get, that are, again, are bots, aren't going to engage, meaning it's going to tank your engagement score. And then if what they do is they are, as they attach those bots, they also just remove A real follower or two that might not have looked at your content for some time, right? What they're doing is they're slowly disconnecting your real followers while attaching those that don't matter in the grand scheme of things, while simultaneously tanking your reach to try and get new followers that are actually people. So you can see how they could set this system up, right, where those-- and, and think about it this way. Think of how malicious you could be if the bots that you're attaching to accounts of, let's say they share messages you don't like, if they don't engage But those accounts that you do like, the bots are programmed to engage, so it would increase the virality of those accounts that are maybe sharing content that you like, doing the inverse to those that you don't, discouraging all of the people that don't to prospectively just walk away from the app altogether. I've seen a number of very big handles, including, Financelot, who has basically just given up altogether. I saw Adam Media, who's a wonderful voice, a very, let's say, he's very measured in his commentary. He's completely walked away from his, I don't even know what it, four or five hundred thousand follower account. He's basically said it's meaningless at this point. He started a new one from scratch, it's got like sixty thousand followers, because that one gets infinitely more reach than, than his half million follower account, right? So, so they're doing all kinds of nefarious things to basically make people give up. I think there's a lot of trapdoors that are built in here, but let's go to Brock and, and curious for his thoughts, and then we'll go to
@shadowofezraMr. can you just bring up Flindarella one? She, she's been having really, like, she can add a lot about the algorithm in terms of how she's been surprised. Yeah. Just keep an eye on that when she requests for the mic. Can I just throw something
Speaker 11in just to your point, about nefarious issues there with Twitter or X or whatever? Like, there's even like some other things that I haven't heard anyone mention or maybe I missed it. So let's say like you, you, you, you know, you put a post And then somebody responds, and you can see that there's a reply, like it says, you know, that, there's an indicator that someone has replied, yet you look at your post and you can't read the reply.
Ian MalcolmYeah, that's what's happened to me.
Speaker 11Like, so you're talking about, like, your personal account, you have posted something on it, someone has written a reply, and you can't read the reply, you can't see who- Who replied, right? And then the other issue, which is, you know, again, you know, I love the word nefarious, you know, it's such a cool word, you chose, because if you put, I'm not talking about something political, like I'm talking about something like, like a detailed post that's not taken out of context with like a lot of information in it, and then you pin it to the top of your profile, and then, you know, you walk away from your Twitter account And then you go back the next day, and the tweet that you have spent months and months working on has been magically unpinned. And then you have to scroll through your feed for, you know, however long to find it in order to re-pin it again, right? So what that indicates, so if we think this through, that indicates that the intelligence security apparatus has some sort of a backdoor. And, will choose certain,
Speaker 11topics or accounts that they view, view as, as quote-unquote problematic, not because someone's necessarily doing something illegal or, you know, something morally wrong But because that person is creating a problem or a headache for the intelligence apparatus. So like, yeah, there's a lot of weird backdoors in Twitter and X that I think Elon hasn't really responded to, and he's probably not likely to either, because he hasn't done anything about it up until this point. So anyways, all that up and all everyone else.
@shadowofezraSo I feel like one mistake that X has made when it comes to the algorithm and the recommendation tab is, before they used to only like put in that tab like information and stuff what people are posting, but now they've added the requote feature in there. If somebody comments, sometimes you'll see it in your for you section, or you know, all types of just garbage, like trash and slop that has nothing to do with even what you're interested in posting or what you're following sometimes. So that's the biggest mistake they've made, is they've just integrated All these types of posts, and they just like mix, sprinkled it up, and then just put them in a garbage can and just let it out into your algorithm. Like, here you go, go free and figure yourself out. I feel like that was the biggest mistake. There's only
Speaker 9so much room in the feed for, for stuff, and you get replies in there that have nothing to do with anything. It's just a reply to some random post that you weren't even looking at. So what's the point in here?
@shadowofezraOr, or a quote post that has nothing to do with anything. Like Like post a quote post, and then it's like on a for you, a recommendation tab. Like if you go back to Linda Yaccarino's, days, that you would never see that. As much as we criticize her for being in the World Economic Forum, we criticize her for being a woman, and some people even criticize her for being Jewish, and some people did all three of those. And you know what? Under her days, I gotta admit, it was much better than it is today, 'cause you would know what to expect. At least you're walking in and you're
@shadowofezraI know what I gotta do to reach this type of views, and I know what my posts will look like, but today is like the opposite of that. Today is like, you don't know, you gotta be told, you gotta use your left hand instead of your right, because, you know, that's the way the news is, the way that the new rules are being implemented. Like, you gotta use your left hand today only. So I'm not understanding it, and also that's one of my problems. Yeah, it's so
Speaker 10inconsistent that it's, it, it makes you just wanna not
@shadowofezraExactly, and I've seen, I've noticed that, and I hate that because I like seeing diversity of thoughts, I love seeing people I disagree with, because I feel like if I put out better information, that can counter somebody who disagrees with me. Like I, I sleep very comfortable at night knowing the stuff that I believe in. That's not saying I am right, you know why? 'Cause
Speaker 11it's, you know why? 'Cause it's a dopa-, it's a dopamine slot machine, that's why.
@shadowofezraYeah, it's, it's addictive. You gotta admit, if you're new to this and you're going viral like a couple times, it's like addictive. You'll be like, "I want that taste again. I feel relevant. I feel important." But that's also kind of a trick, like, as somebody who's gone viral like a ton of times, sometimes it doesn't really matter. But anyways, Ian, I'm gonna give it back to you, and you can go to other people that wanna, Dr.
Ian MalcolmFlynn has answers. Yeah, let's check in, with Brock
@shadowofezraYeah,
Ian Malcolmthe-
@shadowofezraYour concept Ian about the bots latching on, the theory makes sense, like, Like diligent even said
Speaker 12You know, when you don't post, you lose traction. When you gain momentum, like, if you ever got an Elon reply, a lot of people say their engagement tanks, and why is that? It's 'cause we all know people just follow whatever Elon does in this app, right? Anything in comments, they're just gonna be right there. So what happens is, 'cause this algo is very recency based It will then serve you a post to those Elon sycophants, and they don't give a fuck about you, they're just here for Elon. Your engagement rate tanks, and now your engagement goes down. So what you said about the bots, under that same logic, it does make sense, 'cause this algo is very recency based. Like even,
Speaker 12if you, if you, if you go to someone's profile manually, whether you're hate- looking at their profile or like you're about to follow them, whatever, you will see their posts in your feed a lot of times, So there is something to that, like this algorithm is extremely recency based. So to like diligence point way back, you can gain momentum if it's in your niche, if someone like Elon comments, that could fuck you because they're just here for Elon. So the logic there kinda makes sense.
Speaker 12another thing was the, we're talking about, this is kinda to John's point earlier on everyone, brand safety, I just queried the Git to tell me where it mentions brand safety. So it's mentioned twice in the readme, both in the update section, this is from the May 15th. Here's what it says: "In the new ads blending system, it says, including brand safety tracking." That respects sensitive content boundaries. The second part is in candidate hydrators, it lists additional hydrators for brand safety signals along with engagement counts and other stuff. So it does account for brand safety, whatever you wanna, you know, whatever that is.
Speaker 12sure, what else are you- Oh, you guys are talking about po-politics. And, I, I like this app, it, it's for politics, right? So there's more people consuming content, so there's more reach to be had, but there's the mutes and blocks flying around and mass reporting, right? So it's kind of a, big engagement's huge, but you can get throttled, like, you know what I mean? So, 'cause I don't, I'm not in politics, so I'm kinda the other side of like, I mean, I talk some shit though, so I do get blocked a lot, but- If I just stuck to my lane and didn't, didn't say shit, I'd, you know, I'd be, I'd be cruising. Yes, it's a smaller niche, but if you're safe, there's not, there's not really gonna be these blocks, right?
Speaker 12Just a quick response to that. I mean,
Speaker 13isn't it better not to chase followers? Isn't it better just to be authentic and provide, if you're gonna write something, I mean, it's up to whatever anyone wants to do, but like my view is if you're, if I'm gonna go through the trouble of writing something that the public is gonna see, then wanna put like detail and context. And you know what? If people like it, great. And if they don't like it, well, who cares? You know what I mean? Like, I think the worst thing you can do is chase followers because, as I said earlier, it, it just becomes a dopamine slot machine, and then you're, you're a victim to the algorithm, you know? And that doesn't, that's- Yeah, you'll turn into
Speaker 12CB Doge and X Freeze, and you'll just say whatever Elon's been saying, right? That's what you turn into. So I totally agree with you. "Quote unquote, like you're, you could get hit with that, but I'm with you, like say what you wanna say, you know?" hundred percent. you
Speaker 14know, I, it was my understanding that sports was the biggest niche on the platform, has that changed? Because, like to me, perhaps, you know, politics and current events are the most controversial. Well,
Speaker 15I've noticed, yeah, it seems like if you go to trending now, as of late, it seems like sports makes up like, a- out of the Are sports related, which I personally didn't, I didn't notice that until more recently.
Speaker 12Didn't Nikita post the top ten like just straight up? I mean, it makes sense they push sports though, 'cause it's brand friendly, right? Like,
Speaker 15well, yeah, it's all, yeah, it's- And playoffs
Speaker 12are NBA playoffs are on shit. But
Speaker 15I mean, yeah, but I noticed this for months, like when I'm, when I'm, like, if my posts aren't doing well and I go look at trending, most of it is sports related.
Speaker 12Yeah, makes it's, I mean, so they must
Speaker 15push that stuff heavily. Well, I just think,
Speaker 14I just think it goes back to the like, the rage, like, so, you know, current events, especially politics, is like it's, it, people rage that, that accounts for a lot of what we see as engagement towards sports. I mean, well, that's, you know, the betting side, you know, the betting stuff, you know, but, but it's not, it's like it's not the same type of controversy blocking, you know, whatever, you Sports are in full swing, when you have, you know, hockey, basketball, football, you know, everything popping up at one time, they'll be trending. But during the summer, during the dead zone when all there is is baseball, you know, I imagine that drops.
Speaker 12Yeah. The only, the last thing I wanna say was just for anyone listening, 'cause they put more focus on it too, is author diversity heuristics. It's, it's kind of a basic premise, it's how much you can post. Like, think of it as like every account has their own bucket of reach. Like Shadow of Ezra or Alpha Fox can post more than me 'cause they have ten times my followers, right? Makes sense. So over posting isn't a static number, it depends on your account size. Like if you-
Speaker 12A, a good way to think of it is this, if you have a hundred followers, post once every three days. Spend your time getting people to see your posts, and as your post gets, like, I don't know, thirty likes, now the algorithm has something to go off of to send it to where it should go. But if you're getting five likes a post, it ain't going anywhere, right? So scale down your posts, build up engagement on your one post. Like, if you're trying to game it, this is what you do.
Speaker 12and as your account size grows Three times a day, six times a day, you know, and you kind of scale as you go. If you're trying to game the algorithm, that, that's kind of how you would do it.
Ian MalcolmBrock, Brock, in that scenario for people listening that are, that are trying to, to get traction, so, so minimizing the posting, what about their replies to accounts? Should they also minimize that, or is that something that they should-- I don't wanna use the term spam, but, I, I think years ago that was a, a helpful way to try and get
Speaker 12Yeah, yeah. So like, I think outbound replies like not to your own posts, you can reply as much as you want. Out-- I think Nikita even kinda confirmed this one time. Outbound replies are kind of almost treated as posts. Like if you're a bigger account, you-- like if you reply less than a day, your outbound replies should get more reach. If you're a small account though, say you got a hundred followers, you're getting like five impressions of reply anyway, just go nuts and try and get them to come back to your post. So I'd say throw it out And three, if you, I mean, if you're, again, if you're trying to game it, so take a lot of time, reply outbound three hundred times a day to other small accounts, and they'll probably hit back your post, right? So it's kind of like manual, fucking, get them back on your post. But as a bigger account, it's like, again, if you're trying to game it, the more you outbound reply, the less reach those replies will get, if that makes sense, 'cause they do show up in your for you, like someone said. And
Speaker 12And those replies would just fucking bang 'cause people loved it. but, those, like at, for a time, those would do better than my posts, right? Kind of like you, Ian, with the fucking, the moldy bread, right? Like people love that shit. And then the more you kinda get those banger replies, the, your replies kinda get traction. But if you, if you outbound reply more, you kinda, you're, you're eating into that reach bucket, unless it just goes viral, right? Like, then you're kinda outside the normal reach.
Ian MalcolmBecause when I was thinking about good old moldy bread, that's a, it's almost undefeated. I, I think we've had a couple where it didn't win the ratio war. I, I think Simon went after Donald Trump at one point or something, and the moldy bread failed. But the- It was
Speaker 14Mark Levin.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, no, Mark Levin has never defeated moldy bread. Simon has shared moldy bread versions of Mark Levin's face. He's shared moldy pizza. It doesn't matter. But, but this actually is a nice setup to the- The question I was gonna ask, because part of me thinks that, let's say that there's int-intellectual opposition, right? There's pe-people who really don't like my worldview, and simultaneously, those people, I, I, at least in my opinion, I think a lot of their content is preferred by the algorithm. So maybe Mark Levin to, Honey Badger, her comment or Ben Shapiro, you know, that would play into it. And the reason I say that, I'm kinda convinced that the reason Maldi Bread does so well is because Rhythm, those people that maybe see the world that I do, or the way that I do, you know, they are being presented with content by Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and other people that the algorithm wants to spam onto the timeline, but and because I've responded to it, the ex-algorithm presents not only the content that they're spamming, that let's say is advertiser-friendly, but also because I'm already in replies to it, the people that follow me see that when they see the posts from some of those commentators, and so I'm convinced Hence, that's why it gets as much traction as it does, because they're trying to control the narrative by pushing their preferred, you know, messenger. But because I'm attached to it, I just ride it along like a remora that eats the shark, if that makes sense.
Speaker 12I mean, it does make sense though, 'cause it's like, if there's two opposing sides, you're essentially bringing your entire silo or niche Into the other opposing side. So as the engage, like it would get great engagement rate 'cause like your quote-unquote side is per person engaging a lot, therefore send it further in that silo, and now we got a war between twos. It makes perfect sense, like it's the perfect setup. So keep sending the fucking multi bread.
Ian MalcolmThe multi, the multi bread will continue the war, but, no, it, it is curious. Hail
Speaker 16the multi bread.
Ian MalcolmHail, all hail multi bread. And, and that is the thing that's very- Very, very curious because in some ways, and, and for its worth, I'm gonna be very curious, we'll, we'll move on to, I, I guess Jen had his hand up, but, but we'll go to Dr. Lynn first, because w-w-one of the things that I'm, I'm convinced of is that one of the reasons that I, my engagement, I'll get five, ten, fifteen percent engagement on almost everything that I put out, and I don't care about how many people see it, but rather that the If that makes sense. And I'm convinced that X's attempts to censor and suppress and remove followers and all those things, if you continue moving forward, the people that like what you're doing, they'll continue finding their way back to you. They will continue supporting the things that you're doing. So they're almost You know, it, it is a self-sabotaging effort to suppress, because in the suppression, they build up more support, it becomes more volatile, if that makes sense, and even the smaller handles build these, you know, strongholds of communities that continue to uplift them. So you'll see, you know, in the dissident right, you'll see people that get banned off the platform, they come back on, and the next thing you know, they're back at twenty, thirty, forty thousand followers, 'cause people are, are very devoted to that cause. So
Ian Malcolmit, it, But maybe instead if they just let people kind of progress forward. But, but Dr. Lynn, I know Shadow wanted to get you up here, very curious for, for your thoughts on all this.
Speaker 17Well, first let me say, I did just post some moldy bread just for fun. Oh, hell, moldy bread. Hell, moldy bread.
Speaker 12I'm gonna post it as a dedicated post. Let's, let me try this shit. Sorry.
Speaker 17Yeah, maybe I'll pin it. I will share moldy bread
Speaker 14posts. So am I. I'm gonna do it. Let's get it trending.
Speaker 17But I'll, I'll just take us down a little darker path because, I mean, a lot of people have brought up some pretty interesting points and important points, but I'm gonna go back to 2018 when I had my very first ban on this, platform, flat-out ban, for citing, a passage in my endocrinology book, to, a, a giant beast who was standing Standing on a female's platform, winning a time trial in cycling, knocking one of my friends off the platform, and, and I just quoted an endocrinology quote about, about puberty and testosterone levels and,
Speaker 17the, you know, the way it's sort of unfair to have guys in a time trial with a Q angle and giant legs. But that immediately got me my first ban, and, then COVID came along, and if I type in something like amyloid, boom, I get banned. If I typed in positive HIV, boom, I get banned again. I, I, I was banned over ten times on this, on this platform, and every time, just like you just mentioned Ian, every time I'd have to start over. And somehow people would f-find me, and I, I would build each time that I'd get banned. Now, I will say thanks to Elon, he reinstated five of my accounts in twenty twenty-three, which I appreciated.
Speaker 17I was, you know, listed with several others as top banned accounts or whatever, and for no reason but Citing scientific literature, but it was very, early. I guess everybody wasn't supposed to know the truth that early, so I needed to be, shut up, silenced. but that said, after January sixth, I'd say it was about, I don't know, six months after January sixth, I got visits from three-letter agencies. At my house. And, you know, oddly, oddly,
Speaker 17they would pull up tweets from my banned account that I had no access to, zero access, and read them to me. Now, that told me that somebody had a nice back door, and, you know, just be careful, guys, because I'm pretty sure they still do. so just, you know, be careful. But that said, you know, he fucked with the wrong guy, person, and, you know, I, I made him feel as small as he truly was and left, and never bothered me again, because they think they're smarter than they are, but they're really not. But, and getting back to what you guys were saying about building up again, it, it is kind of counter because, you know, I, but oddly, I'd reached two hundred and forty-nine thousand ninety-nine followers And they never let me get to a quarter of a million, they just don't let me get there. And then I spend the next month or two losing followers until I start building up again. It, there is something to what you were saying
Speaker 17about, taking away followers, 'cause they have been doing that. And, and I'm, it's not like one big, big bot cleanse, they do take away followers from you and don't allow you to reach a certain point. And you can see from a lot of my posts, and, and all of my content for the most part is from me. It's my opinion, it's scientific discussion, it is whatever. Did it save a bunch of lives? I'm told it, it has, and I, I appreciate that, and I'm glad to hear that. I, it probably could have saved a few more had I been able to speak and not be censored on this platform, just like I was banned for lifetime on, Facebook. And, you know, some of the other ones, but, but that's what we're dealing with. We, we are dealing with censorship of sorts. my posts get-- for, for my account size, my posts get very little views in comparison.
Speaker 17I'm gonna try the moldy bread, bread thing, but the other day I saw somebody post, "Hey, what should I be watching?" And they got like twenty million views, and I'm sitting here scratching my head going, "What the fuck is this thing?" What is this platform? Why do I pour hours and hours on re- in research for, for my followers to, I could just say, "What should I be watching?"
Speaker 17Anyway, but, but I feel a lot of your pain as far as Nikita goes, he just seems like he really is into himself. I don't know if, the deal is the reason why Elon's not saying anything is because he wants somebody to do this for him and he doesn't wanna look like the bad guy. I don't know. I do see a lot of unmonetized accounts with like three thousand followers getting fifty times the reach and, and engagement than I get. So there's definitely something odd about Giving more views to non monetized accounts, there's def-definitely something to keeping everybody very confused about what they're supposed to do and how they're supposed to conduct themselves on this platform, because in doing so, people are trepidatious, and, and I do think that, you know, the guy up there telling you not to do something while he's doing it, and he does it on a regular basis, is a bit kind of, you know- Bullshit. But, but that's where we are. And, you know, I appreciate anybody bringing forth any information on how to kind of understand this algorithm.
Speaker 17Since I was banned in 2018, I've not mastered that. I've just organically grown my account, but as I said, I get very little views.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and where
Speaker 18would it- It's because, it's because he's using it to train his AI. that's what I'm convinced of.
Speaker 17There's no doubt. There's
Speaker 18no doubt. Yeah. You know, and so be-before Elon even, purchased, X, when it was formerly called Twitter, like I, I've been shadow banned m-multiple times on this platform. And so there is this sort of underlying algorithm, but, and you could-- anybody can look at my post history. So like, I telegraphed this Way in advance, like I, I, I said, look, Elon is one hundred percent gonna purchase Twitter,
Speaker 18because he's gonna have access to everybody's data, and he's gonna do exactly like what he did with Tesla, Tesla, right? So with Tesla's Like one of the things that makes Tesla's the, the, the best electric vehicles and automated systems on the road is it, whether you like it or not, whether you opt in or not, it's collecting data about your driving and your behavior. And so what other better,
Speaker 18system could you have than to capture, like Human interaction, tens of millions of people, and you're gathering up all of this data.
Speaker 17Yeah, for sure. I mean, the funny part is it's probably gonna end up replacing Nikita.
Ian MalcolmWell, and, and for what it's worth, here's a interesting one. I think everybody will get a kick out of this. talk about topical. Somebody put up into the nest. 'Cause I went back and I found the post, where I jokingly talked about how Joanne and I had our, our celebratory space, but we weren't incapable of crossing the hundred thousand, follower threshold. Despite getting over, like, I, like I said, I think it was about thirty extra followers during the course of that one space, according to just the metrics of the app. Now, here's the thing that's curious, unless it's showing me something different than what it's gonna show to you. As everybody goes to that post in the nest, you're gonna scroll down. Oh, maybe it's not. It was showing eighteen thousand views, and I'll actually put this into the purple pill because you probably aren't going to believe me. it was showing eighteen thousand views, it was showing zero engagement of any variety. I just put that into the purple pill, I'll put it up in the nest right now. Now, if anybody can explain what that is supposed to represent, because I see things like this on this app all the time, likes being removed, reposts being removed, and again, that's up in the net. Yo, I, I, I'm glad I took the screenshot. Right? It shows clearly at the bottom, eighteen thousand impressions, zero likes, zero retweets, zero comments. There is something very strange going on with this. I don't know what that represents, but these little glitches- Is you start to see them and, and once is weird, twice a coincidence, three times, right? When it's every single experience you have on the app, something is kind of, it, it, it feels just funny. It's like when Neo touches the glass in the Matrix or he sees the black cat twice, right? So, Alpha, I'm curious if you have any thoughts on that, and then we'll go to, to Jen.
Speaker 16Yeah, the, the follower graph though is completely jacked. Like, it doesn't work half the time, it doesn't register, like, follows you get sometimes, and especially bot purges, they just don't show up, so you lose, like, you know, four hundred and says you gain three hundred, like, what the heck? But yeah, that graph, there's something, there's something wonky with it. I just wanted to add that, it just doesn't work right.
Speaker 18But it's not just the, the follower graph, it's also the engagement rate. So like, I've-- this isn't, since the recent algorithm update, like, it's something that I've been, following, and it's something that I've been trying to adjust just to see if there's any truth to it, to, I think it was, Brock that was talking about posting less. So I have, I have noticed that my, engagement rate has, has gone up, but one interesting thing that I've noticed is like, I-- so I'll look and, you know, I'll do the math myself. So the engagement rate that I'm getting per post is way higher than if you look at the analytics, like what it's saying on, on the dashboard. Like, it's not even close. So it's like, I, I don't know how they kinda do, do that math, 'cause it doesn't, it doesn't make any sense and it doesn't even add up.
Speaker 16Sometimes the scale, if you go to a different timescale, it'll show correctly. Like if you zoom out to three months, for some reason if you zoom in more, like the scales will be all weird, I've noticed.
@shadowofezraAnd by the way, guys, just to let everybody in this space know, I have communicated about this algorithm issue to at least five members in our government, one of them being a former- I'm not gonna name them, but one of them, if I name them, you guys are all gonna react like, "Oh my god, I can't believe you messaged this person about the algorithm problem." None of them responded to me, and they all read my messages. So that tells you where it is right now. I explained to them exactly what's going on. I, I have no faith in our government, if you follow my channel, by the way, but if you still have to give it a chance, right? Like, you, as your citizen, right? You're gonna reach Now we're being suspended algorithmically, which is more challenging to prove. The only way we can prove it is if we all do stuff like this, get together and speak about it, and understand that it's not just me, it's not you, it's actually all of us, depending on wherever you are in terms of what you're speaking about, from entertainment to sports, to politics, to arts and gaming, whatever. So it's not-- This is one of the ways to do it. By the way, I gotta let you guys know about Flynn. Flynn the Reel One, give her a
@shadowofezraIt comes to fighting the COVID mandates and fighting all those doctors that were forcing you to get vaccines, and she's been very much suppressed by this algorithm. But let me give you guys a, a tip also about this algorithm. We can blame it all we want, there's also one thing we gotta understand is if we're still stuck in the way that we used to post in two thousand twenty-four, where if you're in the political side, the topics have changed. Like, you can't speak about Zelensky and Ukraine, like you're not gonna get no views about that because that's not- The current event, if you're speaking about election fraud from two thousand twenty, you may or may not get the amount of views that you used to get, but you have to understand there are new topics now. There are the Epstein stuff is, if something that's always hot, especially if you got something new, obviously the Republican, I'm not getting political, I'm just giving you guys advice if you, if you wanna be that, like the Republican Party has its, you know, division, the Democrat Party has its division, so it's like you're getting divided from within, and those types of topics are more obviously, the Charlie Kirk assassination is a topic. So remember, if you're, if you're, if you're tweeting about things that mattered in 2024, it's not going to really, like, you can even speak about Doc Bowser in 2024, and it's not gonna get you as much traction. Today as it would have back then. So you gotta stay updated. The algorithm is obviously AI now, so it's obviously going to update itself, but you also gotta mentally update yourself. In terms of what the current news is, even though those past problems haven't been fixed or addressed by the representatives in our government, and I'm not saying they're not important, all I'm saying is, you know how human beings have,
@shadowofezrayou know, we have like a thirty-second attention span. We can't even remember what happened last week, we're gonna remember what didn't happen two years ago. You know what I mean? So you gotta remember, just stay updated, and sometimes the algorithm, once in a while, will help you out too. So I'm not completely blaming X,
@shadowofezraThere's also stuff on our side that we can do, but if Ian Malcolm allows it, if we are allowed to go into defining when, whenever-- it, it may not be right now, it could be, let, let these hands go for now. But I also wanted to discuss about what exactly is a news aggregator. How they're suppressing, according to their words, not mine, that they're limiting that into the algorithm and, you know, things along that li- along that line. So after we get these hands, yeah, yeah. Well, as let me just
Speaker 17say one thing, I posted moldy bread and it's been quite a while and I only have five hundred and seventy-four views so far. There you go. Yeah, but you're getting, you're getting to like what Shad was
Speaker 18talking about. You should be able to talk about whatever you want that's outside of like whatever's trending. Talk about politics. Not everybody wants to talk about, sports or like whatever is the quote trending thing. Like e-every one of us here has like different niches that, that we fit in. And one thing that I think everybody here can agree with is for whatever reason and why they chose to do it, they have been throttling certain accounts And, and that's not, and, and that's not okay.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, let's go down to, and, and Shadow, I think it'll be really interesting to talk about that, aggregator aspect of this. I, I know that, Ronnie has his hand up, so let's go there, and then we'll check back in with, with Mr. Jin, then John, and then, Mandy.
Speaker 19Hey, thanks, Ian. so for those of you who don't know me, I sued OpenAI with ChatGPT last year, and, it was for a framework that I developed. So, there's a lot to unpack here. Ian, when you talk about GAIT, I think that that's one of my most viewed posts. I sent up a post that literally said nothing and got almost a million views on it. So, this is how the algorithm really works for you. a lot of you guys have followers that are multiple, Elon, Elon Musk and his mom, that Miriam woman, they're all following you. So,
Speaker 19when they engage with you Especially if they're the first ones to engage with you, it instantly kills your post. I've watched it happen a dozen times with my own stuff. I was shadowbanned immediately, when I started my account back in 2025, so I posted about my lawsuit Grok told me back in twenty twenty-five that posting about my lawsuit was what was killing my algorithm because it was controversial, an ongoing lawsuit, things like that. So
Speaker 19when Marjorie Taylor Green last year posted about the JFK, Israel might be involved with it, the day before she posted about it, the day before all of you guys started talking about it, I posted it. my framework, my Bear Krush protocol, I used it to write a book on JFK. This is all, you know, posted on archive dot com, but I posted it to,
@ronnienapolisyou know,
@ronnienapolisjust write my book, and then after I wrote my book, I went and studied in more about the whole thing, and I posted the day before Marjorie Taylor Green did, and her shit went viral. I- Was lost. I was already shadow banned because I was talking about a lawsuit. So when you were talking about controversial things, number one, a lot of you have bot followers, that's gonna kill, kill the algorithms. I mean, they are sent there, and when they take away your likes, that's another thing. See, what Nikita's doing is he is purging the bot farms. So when you see the likes go away and stuff like that, it's most likely a bot that was Purge from X and,
@ronnienapolisthat's why, you know, you're kind of losing engagement. But a lot of you are talking about a lot of specific things, and Ian, I'm gonna save the rest of my rant because you're gonna hold the after space. But, you know, Ian, we also talked about what the algorithm really is. So it's a lot of us following each other. I follow Ian. Ian doesn't follow me back yet. I'm hoping to get that follow back, you know? But I follow a lot of you guys in the space shadow,
@ronnienapolisall of you guys, you know? So,
@ronnienapolisI follow you, I see your content, I take your content, I like it, I comment on it, then I quote post it. Yeah, I don't get a lot of con- a lot of engagement with it, but that's just because of who I am on this platform. But quote posting is way better than reposting. When you repost, you, you look like a bot. That's how they're, that's how they're purging it, alright? You need to have a profile picture, a background picture, a bio, and when you quote post, you need to quote post. As a person, get into these spaces, start speaking and getting engaged in the environment, and, you know, always share. If you're not sharing this space right now, you should have shared it an hour ago. But
@ronnienapolisThat's how we're gonna beat the algorithm. We beat it by basically friendfagging. there's, there's this dude that I follow, you know, he, his trans whatever, but, he calls it friendfagging, and it's the best thing that I've heard because if we all post our content and it's only us circulating our content, then we're gonna beat the algorithm because the algorithm's working against us. And like I said, Ian, I'm gonna save the rest of it for your after space so that we can dive deeper into really who's organizing all this, but, you know, I just want you guys to know that like, follow each other and repost, don't repost, but, you know, quote post, and it's all about keeping our
@ronnienapolisposts circulating that way that they still, they stay relevant, you know? I sued OpenAI, and then hell, I was down at Thomas Massey's rally, and Thomas Massey didn't even follow me. But I've also proven the fact that even when I comment on March Retailer Green, things like that, they take away They shadowban me, so I can go into a post, when, when you comment on somebody's post and you go into their post, your comment should always be the first one. If it's not the first one, then you are engaged in some kind of shadow banning. So
@ronnienapolisI can't post on Thomas Massey or Tim Burchett or, Marjorie Taylor Green or not even really Elon. but it was just funny to me that the one post that really didn't even say anything almost got a million views, and it was on Gotik's, it was on Gotik's thing, and, you know, this is a great space, so I'm gonna end with that, Ian. I'll catch you in the afterspace. I'm gonna just sit back as a listener.
Ian MalcolmNo, appreciate it. And, this is a curious one, and, and we'll go to Jin right after. I, I, we'll go to Jin and then I will jump the line and, I know Money- Well, actually, no, we'll, we'll try to go through the hands, and I, I know Joanne has the order. we will go down to Jin. But real quick, Brock, I've got a comment, because you threw up the moldy bread. You simply can't ratio this moldy bread, and,
Ian Malcolm'Cause Dr. Clown, unless you're familiar with him, has three hundred and seventeen thousand followers, a pretty big account. I'm tempted to actually moldy bread Dr. Clown, but, but I'm curious, Brock, how this came to be? Is this totally organic? Is that the person listening in the, in the tunnels, as they would say, or is this somebody you're familiar with?
Speaker 20A clown comments on myself a lot, but I, I thought you would come in with the bread-on-bread action and, and take me out, but- No, I'm not gonna be nice on me. You're not gonna moldy
Ian Malcolmbread the moldy bread, bread. I mean,
Speaker 20you're the moldy bread guy, right? Maybe Sonic gets in there too.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, the bread, bread sticks together.
Speaker 20Make it even moldier, just put it through Grock, be like, "Make it moldier than this moldy bread," you know?
Ian MalcolmWell, Gin, I'm curious, and, and then like I said, we'll go, Gin, and then Joanne, if, if you wanna go to Money Penny or I think it was Mandy next, but, let's go to Gin first.
Speaker 21So I'm not gonna be long. I mean, just going back to Brock's comment, and I wanted to bring this up because I thought it was hilarious when this, post of mine went viral in May '12. I think Brock also commented on it, you might remember this.
Speaker 21I don't know what it was. And then, I posted it and I thought, "Huh, it would be interesting to do a 10x commitment." And then I, I think I posted it around like 12:36 AM And I like rule one to ten, and I'm, I'm gonna read it quick, so I'll be fast. Rule one, don't post too often. Rule two, don't repost the same content. Rule three, don't copy content. Rule four, don't do follow to follow. Rule five, don't stop engaging. Rule six, don't use AI to reply. Rule seven, don't deviate from your niche. Rule eight, don't talk bad about others. Rule nine, don't engagement farm. Rule ten, be authentic. I really didn't know this would actually go viral. This was just me thinking it was funny, there's so much freaking rule you need to follow, and the post actually went 133,000 with almost 400 comments, 218 reposts, and 1.1 likes, and I think I had about like 50 bookmarks. But I wanted to say like, this issue with the
Speaker 21Algorithm problem is universal. A lot of people are going through it, they're so confused, even the small guy to the big guys, and I, I believe that's why this post went viral. I just wanna say that.
Ian MalcolmOh, very curious. And, I'm, I'm actually really, Jen, I, I really wanna thank you, and, and everybody should give Jen a follow. Definitely check out the content, the work that he's been doing, trying to help people that are trying to understand what's happening. extremely valuable. And I know there's a lot of people that feel very frustrated. They, you know, they get listed as probable spam, they get thrown into these little echo chambers, they can never get any growth. And so the fact that you're doing the work that you
Ian MalcolmReally meaningful and valuable. And, and to play off something really quick that somebody earlier said, and, I, I wish I could give credit, I'm not sure who it was, the concept of being authentic. I, I don't care about the impressions at all. I literally just say what's on my mind, indifferent to what people think. As a result, I think people appreciate that they know I'm just going to continue uppercutting intellectually the things that I, I believe. And, and at the end of the day, whether that gets five views or five thousand views or The, the, the people that are behind it are, are, I don't wanna say excited, but they're enthused that they know, they know it's gonna be consistent, right? So that idea of trying to chase the algorithm, you might as well be a, a, a dog with the ball, to quote the Joker from, Batman, that doesn't know what he, he'll do if he ever catches it, right? You're not gonna gain anything. Be sincere, be yourself, talk about the things that you find meaningful, and in the process, you'll find your little And it'll impact people that see it, right? So the thing too,
Speaker 20Ian, sorry, if you, if you try and like, you know, do whatever gets clicks, you're gonna get fucking bored and burn out, right? To your point, if you're not talking about what you wanna talk about and you're just like doing what works, you're gonna have an account that you're like a sl-a slave to, you know what I mean? So to your point, just say what you wanna fucking say. And like, if you do, probably people will turn post notifications on, and that
Speaker 20Also, with, with Jin, I just wanted to add, 'cause he is a small account, it's a much different experience for when you have a bigger account than building your account as a small account. So yeah, shout out to Jin 'cause like most of the accounts on here are pretty big, and it's a, it's a totally different game. So, sorry. Hey, I just
@shadowofezrawanted to say, I wanna say one real quick to Jin, make sure you don't leave after we go through all the hands. I wanna speak about the news aggregation part of the algorithm and how they're Listen to Kira a lot, so I feel like if you understand what I say, you can somehow convey the message to him, because he's not gonna listen to me.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and as a final little comment on to that, and then we'll go to Joanne to, to kinda move it around through some of the hands. The last little piece that I'd add in. Is that the, the, the niche that I talk about? It's a small thing that, that ended up becoming a thing that a lot of people are now curious about, and that, that has helped for account growth and all that kind of stuff. But if it weren't the case that this gained a little bit more virality in terms of the subject that I focus on, I would still just be talking about this one thing because I find it really meaningful. And I say that because whether you are into sports, if you're into poetry, if you're into geography, you're into Brock, you're into, what is it, arbori and plants and tree, right? Find the thing that, the two Brock's comment, that's really insightful, right? Find the thing that you, you enjoy using this app for, and then just get engaged with it, whatever that niche is. It could be quilting, right? You will end up finding other people that are passionate about that thing, and the next thing you know, the community of people that you will build will grow and blossom, and maybe you decide you wanna stay laser focused on the quilt and continue just deliver, you
Ian MalcolmAnd constructs that, or maybe you expand outside of it, but if you build a core audience that are like-minded to Brock's comment, you'll be talking about the things that you're passionate about, you'll find other people that are aligned with that, you'll enjoy the experience, and then you'll organically want to be part of the growth of that content, of that community, et cetera. It's the, the best way to approach any of these things is try to make the world better, find your little niche in the world, whatever that might be, and, and just enjoy the ride
@joann_mariePutting this together, I'm learning so much and everybody here is amazing. So also guys, please repost this space, and if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and let's get more people in here. Mandy, welcome, go for it.
@joann_marieMandy? Alright, I don't think Mandy's there. I'll, I'll go back to her. Money Penny, welcome, go for it.
@mandyarthurHi there. Your voice is incredibly similar to somebody else I know. It's very lovely. so nobody seems to have brought up the topic of how the tears influence your analytics, and I think there is a distinct correlation, which I have discussed at length with Grok, and I'm not sure that I entirely believe Grok, because Grok was the one that told me at the end of every post to tell people To repost and to tell people or ask people questions like, "What do you think?" And then recently, I got a message back from Grok saying, "Never ask at the end, 'What do you think?' Because it reduces stuff." So, Grok, I don't know. But premium to premium plus really changes your analytics drastically. I don't know if anybody else has had this experience. I am at the moment Using, I week by week, if you look at my impressions across week by week, you'll see I register for it, I pay for it, and then I downgrade it, and I do it strategically up and down at different times to achieve different analytics, which probably sounds bonkers, it's the only way I've found. So one of them, Premium Plus, massively boosts your or did follower numbers, but doesn't help with impressions, and vice versa, Premium helps with Impressions, but doesn't do much for followers. But it, once you go up to premium plus from premium, you get a sudden boost for forty-eight hours, for two days, you get a massive boost, a sort of welcome to premium plus boost, and then it drops and spirals, and then you're in this analytical thing where the first question apparently that is asked by the algorithm, is basically sort of, how many things have you been putting out and how much reaction or engagement have you got to them? And if that starts going lower, it then starts sort of on a, you know, Fibonacci sequence, goes from two to four to eight to sixteen lower in percentage, drastically spirals. Even Grok called it the death spiral. There is a death spiral once you are on Premium Plus So you instantly downgrade, and when you do that, your premium rockets, your impressions shoot up and hold for three or four days. Now, this can cost you an absolute arm and a leg, and is worth more than, you know, you'll ever get paid back in content creation. and I've learned badly by my mistake, and I've lost money by it, but I really want to know, has this always been there, or have other people experienced the same?
Speaker 21So I can actually speak on that, because I actually literally tried that. When I said I tried everything, I tried everything. So she isn't wrong when you're talking about, premium versus premium plus. Funny enough, my first viral post was literally talking about, "I cancel my premium plus." That post, when I never actually-- before that, I never ever hit impression that is above thousand, maybe, and then that posted 200K. It within couple of hours.
@mandyarthurYes, exactly. I'm sorry, I have to say yes, yes, yes, 'cause that is bizarre and that is what happens. It is programmed. And,
Speaker 21and I wanna ask something, and you guys gonna laugh. And I'm like, I made it. As a small account, I'm super excited, dopamine is happening, and then I'm like, this is what, you know, I need to post, and that was during when I was figuring something out. And then all of a sudden, in couple of days, I was, she was
Speaker 21I was getting hundred impression, sometimes not even. And then I even wrote a, a, a, a post about, "Oh, am I shadow banned? What am I supposed to do?" I post, tried to not post for a couple of days, I tried everything, talked to Grok about this, and it just went back to the point where, "Okay, this isn't working," and I was struggling. And now, lo and behold, I'm, I'm, I'm Premium Plus. But she isn't wrong. I just wanted to add that.
@mandyarthurYou are 100%. Everything you said, in the order you said it, I also did, and I had exactly the same. And when you downgrade, you-- this expression of death spiral, I tell you, that algorithm that is between premium and premium plus puts you in a death spiral after initial hit. It's like giving you the good heroin and then selling you the shite stuff and then giving you the concrete off the floor. I mean Honestly, but you can get off it quickly. You just downgrade and then pay your money again, and then you shoot up again. It's ridiculous.
Ian MalcolmSo Jen, I've got to ask you because I actually noticed something similar and, so true story. I, I was a regular account, I wanted to get premium, because I wanted to keep anonymity, I tried to use a, gift card That I had purchased with cash because I didn't wanna have any way for this to be tracked, and only to find out that you couldn't use a, a, a, a what would you call it, a non-permanent credit card. Reason being, of course, they wanna track who everybody is and know who you are. Now, the thing that was curious is then a month or two later, somebody randomly gifted me-- and it was very kind of them, they, they wrote a post and they said, "I, I really appreciate what you try to do," and they gifted me a
Ian MalcolmI was gonna, I was gonna
Speaker 20say that's how you get around. Yeah, go ahead, sorry, sorry.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, it, it went on for a year. It deactivated, and about two weeks later, I got a message from somebody that, I guess they, they appreciate what I do on here. They sent me a note. I noticed that you, blah, blah, blah. They then gifted me another one. I bring this story up Because during those windows, when I went from premium back to regular, my, views and impressions skyrocketed. When I then got the premium account added back on, they tanked. And I'm convinced it is because they have labels attributed to accounts that perhaps get kind of shaken off when you go from tier to tier or whatnot, and then as a result, that might explain what you were just describing, where you got great viewership and then over time it tanked because the label Rules get reapplied to your account that basically limit the ability for you to permeate other parts of the application in terms of potential audiences. And so I'm curious, Jin, if you think that has anything to do with it?
Speaker 21now, the, the, all of this I'm gonna speak on is literally anecdotal. like I said, the test phase that I had is five months, literally from January to now, it's five month of, of testing time. But using that very limited window, y-y-you're right, because not only what we're speaking on right now- Now, I mean, maybe you guys don't see this type of post, maybe because I'm in a place of ex-algorithm and people wanting to get better, I do see that a lot on timeline. What people say is, "Why is certain unverified account gets this much and all of a sudden they upgrade and they get this much?" And a lot of question I get asked from my sub and follower is, "Is premium worth it or is premium plus worth it?" I see this type of posts, I see that type of post. This isn't just one off. I get and I see a Keep happening, that's why I'm pretty confident that is actually what's going on.
Ian MalcolmInteresting. Well, it, it, it definitely seems to happen. I, I, I feel like others, seemingly in agreement here. and, and so let's, Joanne, let's continue kind of bouncing through some hands, and, as we do, for some of the, the speakers, we'll, we'll rotate a couple folks in and out, but love that we still have Ghost and Jen and so many others that are up here with us,
Ian MalcolmThanks for some of the wonderful minds up here.
@joann_marieYeah, go, go for it.
Speaker 22Okay, great, great. I've been trying to get back for a minute, but moving back to the, to, to the hydrator. Before your post ever gets seen by Grok, it goes through three different stages, the hydrator stage and then the pre-filter stage, right? So they're not letting Grok decide what's a banger, they're deciding Based off of your diversity score.
Speaker 22So if you have, a high, a high, a lot of people that blocked you or muted you or reported you, that, that, that doesn't only tank your,
Speaker 22negative signals, but it, it also your predicted engagement. So that also goes down with that. What they need to do is get rid of, get, remove these prescores, right? See, when they, they, they originally come from, from the old Twitter, but they had to have updated 'em to be able for Grok to be able to work with 'em, 'cause Grok wasn't a part of the old Twitter. So it has to be intentional, you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 22If they would get rid of the pre-filters and the pre-scores, we, we would be able to get rid of half of this conversation.
Speaker 23Yeah, you have like Grok now predicting, like making a prophecy and then self-fulfilling it. So it, it reads the post and it's like, "Nah, this isn't gonna go anywhere, " so it doesn't do anything. And then vice versa. But no, no, they got
Speaker 22pre-filters before Grok gets there.
Speaker 23Okay. But after, I was speaking of after, but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 22Yeah, so if you got, if you got neg- if, if people have muted you or blocked you, it counts that, and, and that also determines about your, predicted engagement. So, so that's why a lot of posts aren't going. And if you got a, a very high or a very low diversity score, Grok will just take a few random posts of yours and make 'em go viral, and it, they won't even have anything to do with anything, it'll just be random shit.
Speaker 20I mean, to your point, it's, it's tweet cred, right? Like, y- the, your post that got, noted, actually, or even Nikita pointed that out, it's like, "Oh, it's before you got here." Yeah, that's tweet cred, bro. So like, you're not wrong. It's, and then, and then also to your point, and most people in here, politics is more volatile in that way, right? Like, more people, there's, there's two sides. Way more. there's mass You have to deal with that minefield. So even if you don't think there's anything nefarious going on, like, and it's by the book, and they're predicting based off of previous interaction, which kinda makes sense, in politics, there, it's, there's a blatant, you know, people will mute, block, do all that shit. So it's, it's a little uneven to like me posting video games to, to your guys' points.
Speaker 22Grok is, Grok is able to determine what's spam or not. Like, they've done this intentionally. Those, that old Twitter code wouldn't have never worked with Grok unless it got updated.
Speaker 23Well, I mean, it switched from heuristics to purely Grok at the begin-beginning of, well, past couple months, and that's basically when everything kind of hit the fan, I think. You know, they depreciated large following accounts before that, which negatively affected literally everyone, because the smaller accounts were, were relying on the bigger accounts to some degree for reply impressions, that kind of thing. So once that all went away, now we have algo-socialism where it's just evenly smeared a-g-amongst everyone, and so no one really goes vio-viral. So, I don't, I don't think it was really a very good move.
Speaker 22I think if they got rid of the prescorers and the pre-filters and just let Grok decide, because all that shit happens before Grok.
Speaker 23Yeah. Like, they're gonna determine if you wanna go viral or get banned before Grok sees it. Well, that's, that's how you can weaponize the blocking and stuff. You know, if you block people, then it screws them up or something. I don't know why that, I mean, so it's easily weaponized if people do that.
Speaker 22Right. And you guys gotta think, like, we, we are small people,
Speaker 23Yeah, I'm sure there's
Speaker 21a So one thing, one thing that, you know, one, one thing that was obvious is when Nikita avoided the questions. Usually when he gets called out, he's very emotional and try attacking you, but he was defending and trying to move away from it and say it's not my responsibility. So that kinda was the biggest tell for myself, well, he doesn't even wanna touch this subject.
Speaker 22But look, in, in, in the very next day, there was a, another poster had posted about them not saving long form content, and Nikita replied to I was just talking to the team about this and we're gonna have it updated by Monday. I'm like, oh, so, so now you have access to it, but not when I say it, right?
@shadowofezraI think Nikita is using this whole situation to gain his profile, to like gain a lot of followers. Like, even when there was a big bot purge that was happening like a month or two ago, where everybody was bleeding followers, he was the only account on X that was gaining followers. And I want to
Speaker 22point that out too, guys. My post, when Nikita commented, was at 46,000 views. It gained 150,000 afterward. Or a hundred and thirty thousand afterward.
@shadowofezraExactly. If you look at his
Speaker 22activity,
@shadowofezrayou
Speaker 22can,
@shadowofezrayou can see he's like turning himself into a meme and stuff. So I don't know if there's some meme coin stuff going on around there in terms of investing. So there's some shady stuff going on there. You can even start, start myself.
Speaker 22I, I honestly think he's behind
Speaker 24it. Like, I don't know.
@joann_marieHold on, Kenny.
Speaker 23I think a lot of people follow Nikita 'cause they're afraid of him, and they don't want him to kill them, so everyone follows him around.
Speaker 22But if we just got rid of the prescores and the pre-filters and all that crap, and just let Grok decide what was gonna be a banger and what was spam, it would totally be fine. We wouldn't have any of these issues.
@shadowofezraDo you guys wanna move on to the topic of, What was it, news aggregator and stuff that they're trying to limit in the algorithm? I'm asking you guys.
@joann_marieSure. Right.
@shadowofezraOkay. So basically, do you remember like, I think it was a month or a month and a half ago, when they said that they were gonna start moving towards just showing information and posts from original content creators, but they never really defined what that was. They kind of linked it to people that showed their faces on camera, but since that time and to- I can say a lot of people who tried that experiment have relatively complained about it and that they have failed, and they have not produced the amount of views that they thought they would get. So,
@shadowofezraX is complaining the employees, all of them, that they see too much like, people that post news and they see a lot of duplicate posts, right? But here's my thing, if there are people that are covering breaking news and stuff You're going to get a lot of pers- perspectives from that. The same way like if there's like a, God forbid, a school shooting, right? If CNN is the first one to cover that school shooting, do you not think Fox News and ABC News and these other channels are gonna give their takes or their views, or they're gonna be like, "Actually, like, hey, we have just, just one point of view. We're only gonna show this." Do you understand what I'm saying, guys? Like, that, that just can't happen. That, that makes
@shadowofezrano That word content, news aggregator. I feel like they were actually looking to target people who spam posts a lot and who are trying to just post anything to, like, like there are accounts out there that post five hundred times a day, they schedule these posts, it's like TikTok videos and like Instagram videos, and they just- Hope and pray that at least three out of their five hundred a day go viral, and at the end of two weeks, some of these accounts were making ten, eleven thousand dollars a day, and I noticed because they were bragging about it. And they were also posting a lot of fake videos from the, Israel and Iran war situation. A lot of them were posting like AI, I'm not saying all of them, I'm saying some of them, they were just posting everything in there, memes, everything. But I also blame X for that because they allowed those types of accounts to go viral when This, remember what I mentioned in the earlier, when the space started to this communist type of model where everybody has like an equal footing, which I kind of disagree with. I feel like the follower count should matter a little bit more than it currently does. But regardless, X allowed them to go viral, and then eventually they started gaining, gaining the, the, monetization. They started posting, and they were getting ten, eleven thousand dollars. And now X started seeing this, right? 'Cause there's only a, a certain amount of money that they have in the ad revenue share that they're allowed to allocate every two weeks to the people that have blue check marks and who meet the requirements. So the first thing they did is they banned-- we, we all remember, they removed Dom Lucra from the
@shadowofezrafrom the program. And the reason, the actual reason they removed him was because he was actually getting-- Like, I'm not a fan of him or anything, like, I have my disagreements with him, but I felt like the way they took him off there and the reason was not right, even though he does, I know he steals a lot of posts, puts his watermark. I don't agree with that at all. Like, I don't agree with his methods and some of the stuff he posts. Like, I get that, but they removed him simply for the fact because he was posting like, he was getting at least twenty to thirty thousand dollars every two weeks, and they felt like that chunk of ad revenue money was too much, so they got rid of him. The excuse they used to get rid of him was he posted one AI video related to the Iran and Israel war. But the problem is this, that rule wasn't being applied across the board. They used it on him, but then there was like at least five thousand other accounts, five hundred other accounts, and none of those were getting banned. The reason was because they weren't making a lot of money from the ad revenue. And then X came, went even stronger after they got rid of him and his whole drama about it, and then they said, "We're going to go after content aggregators in general." So this tells me they don't want, they're advertising themselves on- On the Google Play Store as a news app, breaking news app, it's still there, you guys can go look. I don't know if the word aggregator is there, but Elon Musk himself has stated multiple times, I think even as of recently, he wants citizen journalism, right? He doesn't want people to just get their information from traditional media, which he's also had his Share, of problems with, and we, we, we like that, but the problem is now that everybody is doing it, right? So think about this, now you have an app where everybody is a citizen journalist, right? And everybody's posting the same thing, right? Instead of X selecting the people who are misusing that, for monetization, they put everybody into one basket and said, "You're all, news aggregators, so we're gonna take away all of your ad revenue, we're gonna..." We're gonna limit your views. I see your guys' hands, I'm gonna come to you guys when I finish my point. So that's why I felt like that was a big mistake, instead of them manually going through who's the actual problem, they just put all of us in one chunk, and that was a big mistake for them. Like they did give us our views back, but obviously I know that. Every two weeks when we get our payouts, people are complaining they used, they lost like ninety percent. And this has also happened to people with over four or five million views. Like, you see what happened today, that Rainmaker guy, who I'm not really familiar with, with his information, but he got completely demonetized for, the reason was because he was embedding too much, right? He was, or they said he was, but there are so many accounts that do the same thing. Why are the rules not being applied across the board? And then I wanna give myself as an example before I go over to the, the hands. I usually don't post like, if you guys are all familiar with that channel, Eric Dattary, he posts like every ten minutes. Like every ten minutes there's a Fox News update, if Trump is on the plane, off the plane, he's up in, he's, he's uploading everything. So I don't consider myself, myself that type of channel. What I do is I listen to like Press conferences and briefings, depositions, and, you know, podcasts and stuff like that, and I clip what I feel like my audience would be interested in listening to. Now, am I an original content creator? In the sense, no, I'm not. But I would say I kinda am bringing something fresh and new to this platform, because I know the clips that I'm selecting and bringing in, nobody else, not all of them, 'cause there are days where I'm on the road, and sometimes I'll borrow a video from somebody and I'll give my, my take on it, which there's nothing wrong with that, and if I know where the original source is, I'll give the credit to, but X also has a very, it's very hard to figure out sometimes where it's coming from, especially if it doesn't have People across the board when it comes to that, that's been my biggest gripe about it. And then you factor, factor that in with the point that they don't really give you information about the way they're going about it, so it leaves, it's like a mess, everybody's completely lost, and it just, we don't have our answers, and it makes no sense, and it makes people not want to post on this stuff. And eventually, if it stays like this, I think people gonna start migrating. Right now, Instagram, believe it or not, is actually Has a really good algorithm, and I'm not a fan of Mark Zuckerberg, but their algorithm is giving you followers, is giving you views, but X isn't doing that. Anyways, that was my whole thing that I wanted to explain to you guys about news aggregators. The reason I did that is because I know a lot of you go into Nikita's replies and stuff, so if you guys felt like I said something that made sense or if I disagree, you can always DM me and tell me what I was wrong about. But you can use that as a, as a talking point if you felt If they, my argument correctly, if not, let me know, DM me, I, I usually respond really quickly. And with that, let's go to hands, if Ian is here, I don't know if Ian is still here, if not, we can- Yeah, no, no, no, and,
Ian Malcolmand Shad, one, one thing I just wanted to comment on. I've always been very impressed because there are, there are accounts of all shapes and sizes, some of which are, are, let's just say, more sincere and kind of open-handed than others, and I, I just wanted to call you out and lots of other, accounts that, that are oftentimes willing to help out, to, to try and figure out if they can shift the zeitgeist. And so I just say it because, you know, there are people like Shadow that when you, if you comment on something that he posts, you know, he takes time to read through them, People, I, I sent them a message about this space, was not only very open to it, but also very suggestive and, and, you know, very supportive of those efforts. So I, I just wanna suggest that all of us try to act along those lines, right? I get, I, I literally check the messages, even the spam aspect of this app, at least once a day, because I wanna make sure if people are sending a message about a topic they wanna talk about or, or anything, right? I try to be very responsive to people, and I know there
Ian MalcolmI've got a million followers, but I was happy to jump in here. So, you know, try to band together where we can, I, I think we'll all be able to make the app, better if we do, right? Because they, they ultimately have to listen if, if everybody in their digital public square is pissed off, they're gonna have to adapt at some point. I think we've, we've had some successes some, some places, and if we keep pushing, we'll probably get some more. But, Joanne, let's keep,
@joann_marieI love that you reply to people. I sometimes get messages like "Ian replied to me." It's so cute. Mandy, welcome back. Go for it. Hey, yeah.
@mandyarthurI don't know what happened before, but it wouldn't let me unmute, so I apologize. I just went and grabbed some lunch really quick or dinner really quick, and I do have a couple thoughts I wanted to say. I'm gonna go on a walk in a minute, so this'll probably only take about five minutes. I have a content marketing agency that manages profiles for social media influencers and media personalities. We've been in business for, I probably ten to fifteen years. so I've seen some of the things that you guys have been talking about in this space as a user and then also professionally. Outdoor Boys, you guys are probably aware of, their YouTube channel had a major issue where subscribers were being removed, and I personally tested this. Every time I clicked Subscribe, I would go back the next day and I would be unsubscribed. So that's YouTube, like that's across the board, we've seen that on multiple different channels. It tends to happen with bigger channels and not smaller channels. At the end, I'll tell you why I think that is.
@mandyarthurwe've seen on Instagram where a client will go viral for a really tame meme. Actually, I can tell you the meme was, it was just a reaction of his face, and he said, "When you have a tough day, but then you realize you've got a hot wife at home." So it's not like controversial. He gained a ton of new followers for that one, but he lost the exact same amount of followers, which was odd because, like, it wasn't controversial. So we've seen that pattern. And then, personally on Twitter, I, I
Ian Malcolmthink, Removal of, of real people?
@mandyarthurYes. Yeah. And it follows people for you. I was following randomly a bunch of Kamala accounts before the election, and I was like, "Why am I seeing this? I never followed this person." But, that's another of the games that they play. But then on X, which is mainly where I am personally for, my whatever brand I have I got ten million dollars, ten million, impressions on a tweet, and for the next week, I was like ninety percent less, even though I didn't change any of my strategy. So I did the same amount of posts per day, the same amount of replies, which, by the way, my,
@mandyarthurusual is three to four posts a day, sixty replies, has been my sweet spot, just FYI. that was ninety percent less for the entire week after getting ten million on a tweet. We've seen across the board with every single profile or every platform that, growth is way easier with smaller accounts, which kinda sucks because all of our clients are influencers that want to grow more and they already have a million, so it's a little harder.
@mandyarthurmy thought about this is that they don't want another Joe Rogan, or they want to stop as many Joe Rogans or in-influential voices as they can, so they're limiting reach to limit influence. It's, it's a lot harder to buy off, let's say, a million people than just to buy off one Joe Rogan or, you know, one person like that. I think that they're really just trying to limit influence
Ian MalcolmNo, that's a really interesting suggestion, and, and it's why I've, I've always found it very curious, because you can almost, you can see, I, I, I believe that obviously the powers that be, they use lots of different voices, that, you know, some people would call controlled opposition. It's always very easy to spot the accounts that come out of nowhere, and I hope I'm not offending anybody when I say I think Brian Handlehand or something like that, Holly Handle, right? Like shortly after Charlie Kirk's, A terrible assassination, this, this young right wing, conservative commentator kind of popped out of nowhere and I, I, I saw some people, joking that it looked like he came out of a Fox News factory, right? And, immediately this person goes from nothing to hundreds of thousands of followers, and then you see video clips of this person speaking to a, a congregation of like six people, and it's, it's pretty obvious that these people are being thrown to the forefront, and I just say Because it does feel like the system is trying to manufacture the voices that they give credibility to, and they're simultaneously trying to actually reduce continuously those that are organic, right? Because the last thing that they want, and, and they just loosely speaking, the political machine, the media machine, whatever, right? They don't want something they can't control, and, and so everything that they do have that gets kind of thrown into the zeitgeist, it's almost from the break, it's, it's gonna be something that they own
@mandyarthurYeah, and what I would recommend just what we do, because I know you were talking earlier about how it's not necessarily good to try and chase the algorithm 'cause it will make you crazy, but what our philosophy is at my company is just to do It's not about number of posts, so throwing spaghetti at the wall isn't actually going to help you, because your next post that you put out is based on the amount of impressions and engagement that you got on your last post. And so if you are just throwing things against the wall, you're having a roller coaster. You need to have every single one of them be as good as it can possibly be, and that's going to help the next one. It, you'll basically build trust. Facebook used to call it Relevancy score, I believe. I was on the phone with Facebook like ten years ago, I think they called it a relevancy score. It was a score that they gave your page one to ten of how relevant your content was to the people they were showing it to. And, at that particular client, he had a ten. And they, you know, told us why and walked us through why and why, you know, posting more content wasn't necessarily best. Before,
@mandyarthurX changed their algorithm, by the way, I was doing about twelve posts a day, now I'm doing three to four, I'm getting a little bit less impressions, but I'm actually making more money. So I shouldn't be, I feel like I shouldn't be making what I'm making with the amount of following that I have, but, that Doing three to four posts a day with sixty, r-replies has been magic.
@mandyarthurI've only been on it for like a year. Just like if you're happy
Ian Malcolmfor those that, that are monetized or, are considering it, when you say you're making more, I, I, or I don't know if you said more or less, but, but, more. You're saying that, more, so you feel like you are being over- overly rewarded for the work that you're putting in?
@mandyarthurYes, I'm doing less work than I was before. Like I, so on the previous pay period until they changed the algorithm, which was like, I wanna say a little over a month ago, I had double the amount of impressions and made the same amount as I made when I got fifty percent the impressions. And I think that's just because all of my content is, original content is the only thing I can think of.
Ian MalcolmYou know, and I did see Nikita was saying that, views and impressions will have less of a, a payout, which is actually, it's probably a reasonable way to try and combat, bots and all that other kind of stuff, but, but it is, it's, it's curious chasing this around. Jim, did you have any thoughts on that? And then we'll go to some of the other hands that are up.
Speaker 21Yeah, so that she is absolutely right on the payment. I just wanna talk about getting paid more, prior to the change. So I actually posted multiple posts regarding to this, and I had a lot of engagement because it made no sense to a lot of people. So just giving one example, again, hopefully I don't get paid for this, but, the, I had five hundred impression total for two weeks period, which is nothing compared to what you guys usually get, and then my paid was close to three hundred USD, compared to people who- Who got two, three million or even four million, over six million impressions, but they had some type of engagement, they got paid much less. when I looked at those data, the only solution, oh, not solution, only answer that I came up with is either the verified, impression matters more and engagement also matters more. I also made a post about that it could be a dual times and multiple aspect of it could attribute to that. But she's absolutely right regarding to that payment has increased for less, I guess, data impressions that you get.
Ian MalcolmWell stated. well, an interesting subject. Joanne, I know we got some, some additional hands and, and lots of requests still. did you wanna go through? And, and if so, did you know the order?
@joann_marieYes, I have the order. the ten move amount, I know I was gonna say movement for some reason, go for it, welcome.
Speaker 25Hey, thank you. so I wanna take you back to the third week in March, where I saw an amazing movement that I, that I kinda pulled a thread on. And so I saw a live news feed from Carl Higby on Newsmax. He's a, a prior Navy SEAL. And so I was talking about this, this live, live news, news feed that I saw, and some people reached out to me after the show and said, "Hey, they, they wanted to see this. They wanted to see the clip." And so I couldn't find it. I'm like, "What is going on here? " And so, I'm like, "Okay, I'll spend, I'll spend some time trying to find it with AI, when I get back to my house, right? " Like, I had multiple people hitting me up on this.
Speaker 25And so I get back, I use Grok to find it, I find a, a skeleton on YouTube that says, "Uh, this, this..." This clip isn't available for viewing in America, and we're talking about an American military journalist here, right? And so that-- so I wanted, so the way, the reason why I came up was I wanted to answer Shadow of Ezra's question partially, and he asked,
Speaker 25"Who understands the algorithm that is behind this?" Well, I understand Who is behind it, and I understand the policy behind it. And so I have, since pulled on this thread for a couple of weeks, I started getting attacked by the Q movement, the, you know, Q database. So appa- apparently I was getting too close to their sources. I didn't know this at the time,
Speaker 25but I just kept pulling the thread. My account got, it said it was permanently suspended for two weeks, but I got my account back, obviously. And so I just, I just kept pulling thread to figure out who was all behind this. And so I think I have an answer. his name is Brad Parscale, Clocktower X LLC, registered foreign agent for Israel. And so what I did was, I-- there was a FARA disclosure that was mandated that he published by the seventeenth. It was a late disclosure,
Speaker 25and so, it says the budget was six to nine million dollars targeting Americans. And I'm quoting here. This is, you can, this is, source is Open Secrets. And so I'm gonna read a quote from that post, or from that, from that disclosure. It says, "Public opinion in the United States is influenced by repeated exposure to specific narratives. When coverage consistently highlights one aspect of..." A conflict, while minimizing others, it shapes how viewers interpret events. So this is Project Mockingbird in reverse.
Speaker 25and I have, you know, the picture showing that, you know, an American military journalist is being censored on American soil. And so the topic that they were talking about was, Joe Kent. And so, ob- obviously Carl Higbie has military contacts, pretty, pretty good ones at that. He had a couple of high level, military people on his show that were advocating for Joe Kent's credibility, and that's why I believe that this post,
Speaker 25this newsfeed got censored, so you can't even watch it here in the United States. And so the other, the other aspects that, that Q was worried about me getting too close had to do with, Ed Martin and Ted, and Todd Blanche, believe it or not. And so, I just exposed Q, the, the Q database, recently. It was actually the, the person pulling the strings was Jeffrey Epstein and Steve Bannon. So, you'll see that in the purple pill, it's called FUBAR. And so I, I've got him,
Speaker 25not only, not only running the Q database out of the White House or, or, you know, launching it from the White House as a, chief strategist, I've got him on election fraud as well. And both of these, DOJ Epstein files were retracted. And so what I did was I recreated the links, and so I've provided the old links, the original links, and I've had to make the links through Adobe. And so what you do is, if you wanna verify the links, click on the old link, and it's gonna say page not found. And then all you gotta do is download the, the new links, download the document to your device. And then go back to and click on the old link, and the old link will work. That's how I can prove that the documents that I'm providing are, are authentic. So I'll land there.
Ian MalcolmNo, a curious angle, and, and it is. That's the thing, we'll get a little, we'll get a little spicy. I know we're gonna have a, an afterspace, we'll talk a little bit about the who is behind the suppression. and that'll be dependent upon how long this, this one goes. I wanna make sure everybody gets a chance to, share their thoughts, but there's, there's definitely, let's say, influence that's being exerted on this platform, and, there might be a triangulation of
Ian MalcolmCrazy, that's a crazy conspiracy. I, I won't lend any, any, additional clout to that. But, Joann, who, who would be next?
@joann_marieIt's, I'm gonna start. Shane, who was here a couple of moments ago, posted in the John Wilton that there is like an app called X Doctor that apparently has open-sourced the X algorithm. Has anybody checked, like, know of this? Because- Maybe we have answers there.
@joann_marieNope, nobody knows. Okay, so hopefully we can get Shane back here so that he can tell us. on muscle chat, welcome, go for it.
Speaker 26Appreciate it. Thank you. You can hear me alright?
@joann_marieYeah.
Speaker 26Fantastic. Well, what a beautiful conversation! I am thoroughly impressed. There's a, a lot of highly intelligent individuals here, and I feel as though, so, so many of y'all's like discernment has just been sharpened. And throughout the discussion, I can't help but to feel a lot of it is ebbing. It's like we're riding this border of trust and distrust with X. In our time in the digital space, in,
Speaker 26in proxy all of our social media platforms that as of now we're allowed to participate to some extent or not, but, I, I feel one of the most important questions that got brought up was, I believe by Shadow, essentially just posing a very simple question. Why are things seemingly not equal across the board? And it's clear,
Speaker 26like when you really dissect that question, that we're operating within spaces that aren't to be trusted And if they're not to be trusted, like they're either for the people or they're not for the people. And if it's clear it's not for the people, then it's being utilized in such a way, hey guys, get wrapped up in the noise. Anyone, and there's a, a bunch of different reasons, and this is what it is, with the AI and the data centers and everything, it's obviously impound here, it's profiling To such a degree, we're humanly having a hard time absorbing. And when you step back and just look at like some basic principles of trust or distrust, freedom or not freedom, any infringement or, because that's what it is, like not to be infringed upon. And it's weird how we're giving,
Speaker 26we're allotting allowance or whatever, like private business or- For whatever reason, but it's being utilized against We the People, and there's so many examples that you all have already gone through and shared, and there's countless others, like I just the other day, manually shared a post, and I noticed, oh my friend, how fantastic, they reposted, liked it, but I manually shared that, and- And, and I created it in, on this platform, and I went in, "Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and like the re-sharing, I'm gonna re-share some of this individual's posts." And as I went to do this,
Speaker 26what didn't I not-- what didn't I not see on their page? The post they re-posted. And it seems trivial, but that's not trivial at all. That means this platform's not to be trusted. So the question becomes, why isn't it equal? And at the core of it, I believe, if you're godly, if you're not, if you're not for sale, if you're unmuzzled, in the true essence of that, come what may, it doesn't matter, you're not willing to play the games and dance the dance and play the algorithmic games that they're building out Like you're a real person engaging realistically with the reality we're faced with in this wartime, because that's what it is And I believe the rebranding on X, for example, through Elon was a brilliant move by the controllers, and it's interesting, people are wanting to praise him to this day because, oh, he allowed me back on when I was banned. It's like, I missed the banning days. I missed the overt alerts. They've strategically shifted away from that. Why? Why do you suppose that is? Because we're not even picking up the suppression the majority of the time. How is it? This is what it is. This very example that I experienced just the other day, and I'm not here to play my violin, right? It's, it's, it's just exposing the reality we're facing, and for some reason, we're, we're still dancing this dance, walking this line where we trust. And distrust, but yet we're still showing up. So anyway, it's very fascinating on a psychological level as to how we're even being played, as though we are free, as though we can move the needle, as though we can get organized in, in a way, I, I believe with the profiling, they are a hundred percent suppressing
Speaker 26it, it At the highest level, they can get away with it based on your profile. They, you know, in that, so like the Tucker Carlson's or others, like you can, there is an aspect where you're too big to suppress on the levels of the smaller people. Meaning they are aware, they've grown wise to that level of suppression on certain individuals, they would shoot themselves in the foot. So they one hundred percent Are, they, they, they're going as high as they can on the suppression on any given individual, knowing just enough that they can ride the line because they've shifted from overt banning to covert banning. We can even step outside of the digital space. Thomas Massey, and I don't even mean to get political, you don't, you could love or hate him at this point. I mean, who, who here hates him? Let's be real. But, but look at that.
Speaker 26Is it elections or is it not? Like historically, I mean, my gosh, are we, are we in control or are we not? We've constantly demonized no foreign influence and it often gets correlated to Russia and China, right? Oh, no, can't allow it, can't allow it. But look at Thomas Massey, there was 100% foreign influence. And we even know, because the writing's on the wall, that was, that was utterly, it was a selection. It was an election. So,
Speaker 26so I'm getting a little too in depth with this, and I'm sorry, because I'm actually off grid at the moment. And why I had to go off grid, it, it's personal, I'll try to keep this real, as short as I can. It's because I was getting personally attacked. In the physical, in the, in the neurological, in the spiritual, within the digital grid. So I had to get off the digital grid, because this is what it is. When they're pushing it, when they're willing to suppress across all platforms, at, at the maximum amount they're a-able to without shooting themselves in the foot, that's precisely what they're doing. And I heard it through all your experiences here tonight. That, that's a hundred percent what's taking place. And depending on the censorship, ju-just depends on A,
Speaker 26how unpurchasable you are, and B, how over the target you are. Because there's a lot of even noise out there, and it just depends even on your stance regarding Epstein and other things they clearly wanna stomp out. But it just depends, like, you could- Seemingly be damaging with the noise in that regard that they're even allotting those topics to go. I believe the profiling truly is at a level we can't even comprehend, and it's keeping us--
Speaker 26This is what I see. Because as we're having this very extremely important discussion here, and I thank all of you for doing it, it is important we go to the depths. I, I do believe, like, there's an importance, but I do believe there's a level of graduating the control in the digital space that we gotta start acknowledging, this has become child's play to the ruling class, and there is one, that is waging war on humanity and all of us.
Speaker 26And with this profiling and through the, let's, let's just be unmasked, through the 5G and direct targeting methods and means through, dues That's what they classify it as, even our, our, government, all these agencies, direct energy weapons. This is what it is. Until we truly distrust and understand at a core, fundamental level
Speaker 26that we're just given the illusion of freedom at this point in all these places, like all they need is time with direct energy weapons to this magnitude. Because when, when I was given an opportunity on a pretty large platform to share some of the solutions we were providing and sounding the alarm on just this, we already dealt with, like, a MuzzleChat's nuked, ninety plus percent bans across the board, including Rumble, and we have the evidence to back that up. I had countless direct individuals I reach out, "Hey, go to Rumble, check out MuzzleChat, are you still following it or not?"
Speaker 26So many of them reporting, there seemed to be no rhyme or reason. A lot of them still were following, not getting alerts, weirdly, but so many weren't. The,
@joann_mariethe, the Slender Zone.
Speaker 26Okay, I apologize. But they were forcibly removed. So I just, what is that other than the illusion that we can really gain the momentum here? 'Cause this is where I believe the shift, we just, I- Thank you for letting me kind of drag on a little bit here, because I do believe the end game strategy is with a little more time on their end, is we're wrapped up in all the noise to where they can directly target our health, that is a game set match strategy,
Speaker 26where all they need is time. So I believe if we start infusing- All of this into, these discussions and consideration, we're doing twofold. We're addressing the targeting in the digital sphere, but also on our personal lives and with With, if we can secure our best version of ourselves and our health, then we maintain at least the ability to continue to show up and figure out the solutions in the digital and our personal lives. Thank you so much, all, all of you. Thank you,
@joann_mariethank you so much. Thank you so much. excuse me, guys. yeah, no, hold on, Panda, we're gonna go to Shane. You want to repeat everything? No, no, no, okay, we're gonna go to Shane that I finally brought him back, and then we're gonna go to Welcome, thank you so much for coming back.
Speaker 27Yeah, thank you. I had to run, I had a phone call, but I posted a video on the nest of something that, well, I think, I'll, I'll throw some credit to Brock, you know, back in twenty twenty-three, he and I did a lot of work on determining what it is that actually makes accounts get throttled on this, this platform. And he's put out a bunch of guides on it, and over the last couple years, I've helped a few people with their accounts behind the scenes, but it never scaled. You can't fix every account, it's just not feasible. We made it a point to, you know, help all sides, which got us a lot of heat, which, you know, whether it's left, right, whatever, any argument, we were fixing accounts on all sides, but in the end, it was just more noise than it was worth, so I kind of- Back to just helping a few accounts. Well, with AI the way it is now helping, code, I was able to build that site that's up at the top, in that second link, you'll see a video there. Essentially, what it does, it takes your archive It analyzes your archive against the latest algorithm release. on the first page of that website, you can see it's tracking the X, GitHub. It analyzes your archive against the latest algorithm release and it identifies posts and groups them essentially across four buckets, the three that are the most critical are the policy sensitive. the promotional or spammy posts, and then of course, the brand safety related posts, and all of this goes back to something someone said in the space earlier, I don't know who it was, about like GARM. You can look it up, it's this stupid entity that kind of decides, you know, what advertisers will be associated with what types of platforms, and if the platforms aren't GARM compliant, then,
Speaker 27they don't advertise on those platforms. You probably remember, you know, Elon lost a bunch of advertisers a while back. So now, since X is GARM compliant, they have to triage the available content spaces to advertise on by essentially, you know, giving the scarlet letter to certain accounts based on what they're posting, right? And what that web app does, it analyzes your archive and identifies anything that it feels would fall into one of those three categories.
Speaker 27I'm not gonna name drop who's been using it, but it's working. And if anybody, and this is a small shill, but I'm gonna do it in a free way, if anybody replies to that my pin post and you do sign up, I'll upgrade you to the premium one, which is unlimited for free on a manual function, so it doesn't use the X API. You've just gotta do it yourself through the website, but you can do, you can clean your entire account through that website for free. I don't know, excuse me, Shane,
@joann_marieShane. Yeah. No, I'm so sorry, I dropped her.
Speaker 27Yeah, no, I'll wrap up. But basically, it, it will analyze your archive, it will show you what it thinks, you're probably getting flagged for, and then you can clean it a hundred percent yourself for free, with that. And I'm gonna do that for anybody in spaces essentially. I'm gonna give away the premium access. The only thing I wanna bill for is the X API, because I'm doing this the right way, the legal way, so I never get banned. I'm paying Elon to use his API for anybody that wants to schedule to clean. So like, I have a sweeper feature that you can schedule it to come behind you, clean your replies, clean your reposts, clean your quote posts, clean your flags, you just post like usual and it just cleans behind you. But that uses the X API, which is like one cent per engagement essentially, so Yeah, that's, that's it, that's the show.
@joann_marieI don't know what any of this means, guys. If you guys want to ask questions. I have that effect on
Speaker 27people. Yeah, this is why I defer to Brock to communicate with humans.
Ian MalcolmWell, I'm, I'm curious, Jen, if, if you've got any questions for Shane based on that, 'cause I, I know you're looking at behaviors and, and how people can kinda get around it, it seems like he's automated some of that.
Speaker 21Yeah, exactly. So what Shane is doing is, which is amazing. I, I appreciate that, Shane, and, honestly, I will probably talk to you after, and I'll DM you if you'll allow me to, and we'll definitely have a discussion about that. But a lot of people's issue is, it, they just wanna fix, or even, this is where the transparency comes from, is that the fact that they're not doing it, and, and people like Shane has to come up with this type of services per se and say, "Hey,
Speaker 21we Code the open source code, and then he's basically doing that. So in my opinion, if, if we can, figure out what's actually causing it, a lot of people have, and I have one of myself who has close to ten thousand followers, each of his posts gets twenty views, and there's no way for us to really pinpoint, like, to do it manually per se and go through every single post and repost or anything that he had possibly made. So it does definitely help, and Shane, you're doing good work. And I'll, I'll definitely, refer back to you later.
@joann_marieAlright, thanks, Jane. And, yeah, I, I don't know, guys, I'm like a boomer. I, I'm not, I'm a millennial, but like mentally, I'm a boomer. So, John, welcome! I, I, guys, please give him a follow. He has really, really cool memes. And also, please repost this page and, and follow everyone in the panel. They are just absolutely brilliant. John, go for it.
Speaker 28Cool, thanks so much. can you all hear me?
@joann_marieYes. Tony wanted to do a Pira, and I don't know where Tony went. I hope he comes back soon. Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 28Yeah, yeah, Tony's the man. yeah, I was just gonna like, do, quick example of an ex-sort of suppression, of, surrounding like the Massey thing. So like I did a pro-Massey post, it was like the, you know- Huh, wants, wants Epstein's friends in handcuffs, and the other one was like funded by Epstein's friends, Ed Galen or whatever his name is, and so like it got like liked by Ian Carroll, Lauren Boebert of all people,
Speaker 28just like, you know, four hundred thousand views like all of a sudden, and then it was just like, it, then it just hit a wall and it like stopped. It was like kind of crazy, and I, I think there was like definite, definite like manipulation. In the algorithm, like leading up to like Massey's like reelection campaign, which just seemed freaking crazy, right? Like, this like Kentucky district, but it was like, you know, thirty million dollars, like all this stuff, but like it was happening here on X too, so like
Speaker 28being reposted by hundred thousand plus follower accounts, and then just, it just stopped, like, like eight hours after it was posted. Actually, Dan Bazillion, Bazillion, whatever his name is, like, used that meme a few times too, so it was a big meme, it just like didn't do anything for me after like six hours.
Ian MalcolmYou know, and, and Jin, do you have any thoughts on what might cause that? Is it, that it, it basically hits a, a wall and, and then gets an additional filtration from Grac or, or what causes that?
Speaker 21the, the, you're talking about the views, right?
Ian MalcolmYeah, John's describing that he's basically just, his content goes viral to a point and then just hits a brick wall.
Speaker 21So I had similar, i-it's very interesting because when you look at certain, the, the, the, the content you make and you start to see, okay, this has about two hundred comments and it's getting about four hundred likes, and impression does goes up to thirty K, forty K, and fifty K, essentially if you look at the engagement, it's just technically go up to fifty K, eighty K, hundred K, in my opinion, what's the, what it's doing, and this is obviously not from the, the, the coding itself, it's from my
Speaker 21Actually made a post about this is because of your niche, it, it, the group couldn't find more people to show it to. and the, the reason I say this is because I do post mostly about X tips and news, but I try to, when I compare to my personal per se, like some people hate the, you know Face, video, TikTok kind of thing, but I do make them because they did tell us it's gonna get more impression versus if I talk about certain ob-uh, subject about, what Nikita's talking about, what, certain people getting banned and that's trending, if you talk about that, I'm not kidding, my impressions within three second went up to four thousand. And that had maybe two likes from the start, three likes, four likes, and maybe six comments. So I think it heavily really depends on the, the subject and the niche that you're specifically talking about at that time.
Ian MalcolmInteresting, yeah. And it's, it's, it's very exemplary, right, of, of the trapdoors they put into this app that-- And, and then the question would become, of course, why, right? What, what is it that is motivating that? Is it a desire to suppress individuals for their reach because they don't want them becoming popular, which was suggested by Mandy? Does it have to do with, with payouts and they're trying to save, save money, so minimize, impressions for certain creators that, that might be monetized, right? There's a million
Ian Malcolmwhat is very clear is that there's a lot of unnatural things taking place with the algorithm, right? but, wonderful comments there, John. Anything else you wanna add before we go to the next speaker?
Speaker 28Yeah, and I, I wasn't really complaining either. Like, I, I get like, I've had like eight million views on like one of my posts, I've had four million views like pretty recently on just like a four-word comment. It's more just like that masti thing specifically kind of like stood out to me where it's like, it was going really crazy for the first five or six hours and then just like stopped. And usually it's kind of the opposite where it's like, that next day you get You know, yeah, I'm gonna, I, I would back John up,
Speaker 29John up on this one. I mean, I've seen his posts and how they perform and, and how sometimes they do just get like, you know, cut down out of nowhere, 'cause the same thing's happened, same thing happens to my posts with, specifically with memes, I noticed this where I'll be gaining traction, gaining traction, and then just, it just falls off a cliff. And I, I, it's, it feels like it is some sort of manipulation because normally it will just continue to snowball Into, you know, a viral meme.
Speaker 29whereas every once in a while, one really picks up traction and then it just falls off a cliff, and it's, it's just weird.
Speaker 21I, I'd like to add something to that too. And, and, and this happens to a lot of the posts, but when you see certain-- and we're talking about specifically memes too, Tony. So I'm, so, was it, is Tony right that was speaking?
Speaker 29Yes,
Speaker 21that's what I was gonna say. the, the certain memes that I saw, and Dr. Clown, amazing creators, and his memes just went virals, and every single one of them just continued to go viral. The reason I wanna go back to what people are specific-- specifically looking for, I think what the algorithm is doing is once it takes off, there's might be other memes that take off quicker, or maybe they want to save spaces for other, content to go, and it, it is very interesting to see if there's manipulation going behind the curtain, there has When it, meaning there has to be a goal. Is it to save money? They don't wanna pay the creators because it's going too fast. if you're talking about specifically meme, if you're talking about political content, that's completely different conversation. But if you're just talking about, well, well,
Speaker 29my meme, my memes and the same with John, I mean, a lot of them are political.
Speaker 21Yeah. If, if so. Yeah, I agree. Like, if it has to do something with the political, I, that's totally different conversation,
Speaker 21That I do agree with that is I use, again, I, I don't like personally conspiracy theorizing or something like that, but the, the evidence was pretty clear whenever I asked a specific question, because for some reason, for, for ex-employee to monitor my small, tiny account makes zero sense. I don't know why they keep commenting on it, I don't know why they keep viewing it, but I, when I ask them, direct questions, they never answer. They do come and try to call me out on a lot of things, but when I say, okay, I
Speaker 29To have peaked their interest. The silo, the silo, yeah. Yeah, so I, look, I mean, I-- Israel's got me on a freaking watch list now, so it doesn't, apparently it doesn't take too much to, you know, stir up some chaos with these freaks. Yeah, so if you, if
Speaker 20you're in the creator niche, the ex-employees will see you're close because you're in their niche, it's the silo, right?
Speaker 21Yeah, yeah, exactly, Brog. So I need to be careful, but yeah, exactly I never get an answer.
Ian MalcolmSo really quickly, I just want to plug, and this is gonna sound very out of left field, but I wanna give kudos to Nikita Bier, and I say this just because, well, frankly, I'm still here on this app, and I don't think I should be able to be, because I say things that are very inflammatory, I suppose, not, not because I wanna be mean or rude or anything, they're just uncomfortable suggestions that, that I try to make very peacefully, and I'm allowed to be here. And So I want to give kudos to,
Ian Malcolmboth Elon and Nikita Vier for allowing me to be here. And for what it's worth, I also recognize that Nikita is certainly a figurehead that a lot of people throw a lot of arrows at. And at the end of the day, he's got, you know, some degree of control, whatever that might be. But even if he wanted to make drastic changes, there's obviously forces that are above him and that are funding some of the things above him that he has, therefore, limited control over. And so I just want to be Somewhat fair in that critique, and he does seem to engage,
Ian Malcolmwith creators like, like, Jin here and others, right? So, so kudos Tim on that. I also, I gotta call out, and I'm sure everybody that's up on this panel is familiar with who I'm about to say, if you're not, you should certainly look into him, which is the one, Parzival, who was one of the originators of breaking apart the code, understanding what's happening on the back end. He was the original guy that was doing the X,
Ian MalcolmThe ex-Expo, and, and, and I know that that was, kind of monumental and it, it, it got a lot of people looking into the stuff that previously they weren't. So I know he's brought it before, but I wanna give him a, a special shout-out again, before we go to the next hand here, Joanne.
@joann_marieYeah, I love Parswal. He, he does amazing work. Alright, Shane, go for it again, and then I'll go to Arias and then Funky and then someone.
Speaker 27Yeah, this is the last thing, just briefly, I wanna respond to what they were just talking about, the throttle windows. What you'll notice, especially in the political arena, Is after, let's say, Elon engages with you, right? It'll spike really quickly, and then you-- not only will it just drop off, but you'll end up landing somewhere beneath your baseline. so if your baseline- I explained this earlier, Shane. Okay, good. The exact same example.
Speaker 27So, so what I, so what I'm getting at, and, and this is built into that web app, it'll show you your throttle windows, if you upload one year of your analytics, and you'll see this happen consistently. And look, you guys don't know me or Brock from Adam, right? But my personal opinion is it has to do with mass reporting or unhelpful community notes. I got attacked big time for suggesting that they're using community notes before they become helpful as a metric. All I know is if I was Y1 and I was X And I had access to human response and human reaction, that's better than AI. I'd be using it, right? Helpful notes are when you get de- when the post gets demonetized, it's still monetized.
Speaker 27but the anecdotal data that I've looked at, it's just too coincidental that there's a correlation between, the notes that never got fully approved And posts that just fell off, followed by what I call throttle windows, where you're throttled for three to roughly eleven days following a very successful post. but there is a cooldown, you know, you just either have to delete the post that got you mass reported if, just in case that the mass report was successful and it got up a policy sensitivity flag. One thing I didn't mention, Brock may already have, you can download your archive and just do a search. Open BB Edit, it's just a simple HTML editor, do a search for sensitive and you'll notice that some of your posts are flagged right there in the archive. So what we're doing, what we're looking up? Isn't complicated, you know? And now that Elon has open sourced the algorithm, anybody with a little bit of like nerd finesse Can figure this stuff out, you know? I would highly recommend you consider,
Speaker 27taking advantage of the fact it's finally open source if this stuff frustrates you. Otherwise, just, you know, bounce along and have fun. But I'm down to two percent charge on this phone, and I'm gonna bow out, but thanks, guys, appreciate it.
Ian MalcolmYeah, of
@joann_mariecourse.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and I, I'm curious, just as we go through some of the, the additional hands here, I'm curious what the most impressions you've ever had on a post have been in totality. And I, I, I say that because, I, I think some of them might surprise people, right? I, I, I heard somebody earlier saying they had fifteen million impressions on a post. I, I almost never get north of a couple hundred thousand, if I do, it inevitably gets a label applied to it very shortly thereafter. I've had, I've had fifty,
@shadowofezraI've had over fifty a couple of times, fifty million. Fifty
Ian Malcolmmillion! Wow.
@shadowofezraYeah. That was about, Bill Gates, what is the food that they do, the fake food with the carbon butter? It was last year. It was fifty million views, I think it's in my highlights. And then there was another one where, It was during the Diddy stuff. It was a how, how Kobe Bryant went to the Diddy party, and then one month later he died, so I pointed that out. I'm not saying it was related, it was just interesting, but it just flew. That was like a couple years ago.
Ian MalcolmWow, see, and, and, yeah, no, I, I thought, and, and I'm convinced actually, I'm curious if, if anybody when they go through this, wants to maybe address this point, 'cause I'm convinced even if the biggest of the big accounts re-share your content, if you're, if you're viewed the way that I am, if you've got the, the black spot like in, was it Treasure Island, that your content will never ever go anywhere no matter what or who shares it. And I say that 'cause even Kanye West shared one
Ian MalcolmI was like, "Oh, this is gonna be the biggest ever." It got to like a million views, which for him was absolutely nothing. It was like a, a fraction of what he normally received.
@shadowofezrano, because they, they censored his account too. Remember when him and, when he went completely off the script? Oh, I, they took away, they took away his content. That's when he was engaging with my content. You can't
Speaker 20search,
@shadowofezrayou, you can't search his name. It doesn't show up anymore. Like, if you search for, I think he
Ian MalcolmYeah, they just, they take about-- But even back then, I mean, he was getting, you know, five, ten, fifty million impressions on a, on a, a post, and he reshared one of mine, and it got, it got like a, a twentieth of everything else, within that weekly visit. But, but nonetheless, there's all kinds of things that they, they are doing, but it, it's, it's very curious because I, I'm convinced that there's a, a, a wall and a ceiling and anything that
Ian MalcolmNope, no more. and, and so I, I, it must be only maybe once, a couple times a year that I'll have something that, that goes over a million views, if that, but, that's just my personal experience.
Speaker 20I had a world class, I rage baited the whole platform during the, Sydney Sweeney, American Eagle ad thing, and I just said, "Sorry, but Sydney Sweeney's a basic white girl with no butt," and it got thirty million views. That was my contribution to, rage
@shadowofezrabait I've never posted about Sidney Sweeney in my life on, on X. I think I'm the only one. I've never posted about Sidney Sweeney and I didn't post about Cracker Barrel. I didn't post any of that stuff.
Speaker 20I also got 10 million views for saying the Gen Z broccoli haircut is the worst haircut of all time. That was so
Speaker 21funny,
Ian MalcolmI have. Now, now that is, I think we can all agree with that deserves 10 million views. But we gotta bring
Speaker 20back the mullets, boys. Everyone in this space, let's fucking go mullet time.
@joann_mariePlease don't, guys, please don't.
Speaker 20I'm bald. Okay.
Speaker 20Grow in the back if you're bald, you're good. Yeah, you could still have a mullet. No, it's like business in
@joann_mariethe
Speaker 20front, party in the back. Wait,
Ian MalcolmBrock, you're, you're going with Hulk Hogan, is that what I'm hearing? Yeah, the fucking Hogan.
Speaker 20Yeah, the Hogan mullet. We should go with that. Fuck.
Ian MalcolmAlright, to all the bald guys out there, if you got in the back, go with the Hogan mullet. It might- I tell you what, brother!
Ian MalcolmOh man. Alright, let's go. I'll tell you what, I, I think it's either Arias or, perhaps Mr. Man from Down Under with the Funky Machine, if you wanna jump in, brother.
@joann_marieIt is Arias. Go for it, Arias, and then it's Funky. Arias going once, Arias going twice. Alright, Funky, welcome, go for it.
Speaker 30g'day Ian, Joanne, and all the other beautiful people up here, hope you're all well. just wanted to share my little story about, growth on the interwebs with our X. And, so I joined this app in, about 2013, I think it was. And, over the first 10 years, I put in an extreme amount of arduous work. I think I posted about 12 times. And, After those posts, I gained about 300 followers, and the quality of these followers were amazing. They were all scantily clad, predominantly Asian women by the name of Candy or Cherry or Mandy or something like that. The DMs were wild.
Speaker 30so yeah, but I, I only, I only started getting normal, real people. Are you telling
@smallhatwatchme?
Speaker 30Yeah. No! I think so, Ian. I've got her in the bag. Yeah, and, but, but what I was gonna say, look, I think the best feature on this application and the real reach to real ears is Spaces. I think Spaces is honestly the best feature, because the timeline, and it doesn't matter what you do to your algorithm by liking or, or, or not liking or, or muting or whatever you wanna do to your own algorithm, as a viewer, so I am an end user, I'm not a creator.
Speaker 30it will always lead you back to slop. You're going to be watching cats push around strings of balls sooner or later. so that's all I wanted to add, a bit of levity in that. and, also wanted to say one more thing, like if you want a reward creators on this app. We need to follow people like Charlie Carter. Now, Charlie Carter is creating amazing content, and I highly recommend everyone to search up his name and, give him a follow and share his stuff. Charlie Carter
Ian Malcolmis a, a, a creator who is constructing South Park-style cartoons about very fringe things on the internet that are extremely funny. And to Fung's comment there, people like that, they, they certainly- Deserve way more credit, and that's the thing that's sad, is that people like that are making-- I mean, I, I don't know how long it takes them to make these videos, but they're, they're like three or four minute shorts that are very similar to, an episode of South Park. They're always very funny, and, you know, to, to think that that's pushed out to a couple hundred people on X, and, and the cat video gets millions of impressions, it's, it's unfortunate. so Funk, I,
@joann_marieAnd guys, Shadow needs to say something really quick.
@shadowofezraYeah, I, I didn't even realize it was 12:30. And what happens to our afterspace? This turned into the afterspace. I actually gotta get up for work in like six hours. I'm still, I'm still stuck in the matrix 'cause Elon won't pay me. But it was fun. I will, hopefully we'll do this again. With the party.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, no. And, and this one did go a little bit longer. And, and I, I- Hey, well,
Speaker 30Can I ask Shadow a really quick question, and you can choose, and, and, and you can choose to answer it or not. Okay. what is, and okay, 'cause it is a, it is a, a, a bit of a, it's a cheeky question. What is the most amount of money in a month that you have garnered from
@shadowofezraX,
Speaker 30with the hard work that you put in? No, I, I never, I just
@shadowofezrapost- I never got a lot. I didn't make more than a few, a few thousand, nothing. 'Cause the thing is, I only post six to eight times a day. If I post like twenty to fifty times, then yeah, I could make like ten, twenty thousand dollars, yeah, sure. But I don't feel like I wanna do that to the audience that I, that I have, because
@shadowofezranumber one, it'll be spam, 'cause I promise you I don't have fifty topics to talk about. I don't discuss Trump going on and off the plane. To me, that doesn't matter. What he does matters. Like, I have like, I try to find six to eight topics, and that's it. Whether it goes or not, I just leave it. That's it. I don't-- I could have made that much. That is very true. I could have been one of those accounts like Dom Lucra, I could have posted so much and just kept making money
@shadowofezraI think the most you'll ever find for me is like ten to twelve posts when something crazy happened, like maybe like a school shooting or the Charlie Kirk assassination or like the Trump assassination, but I've never, I've never spammed this place. That's one thing Nikita can't tell me, is that I spammed, 'cause I never did that. And even though I, I could have used the extra money, trust me, guys, I didn't do it. But, but yeah, but now it's like totally gone. It's like they basically might as well demonetize me,
@shadowofezraBut I do clip them and stuff, like so you don't have to listen to six hours of the World Health Organization talking about the Ebola virus or whatever. But I, I sit there and I listen to it, like the whole thing, like every morning, like if something crazy is going on. But yeah, anyways, I gotta run, I gotta go back to work. See you guys, have a good night. We will do this again.
@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much for being here, Shadow, and you're awesome. No, no, I am just- No, no, no, no I'm so sorry, because I just came for Shadow, because I follow him, in the- Yeah, we're gonna do another space with him. Okay, okay, I'm going to shut up. Don't bring me down again. Okay. Then, then please, please be quiet. Okay.
Ian MalcolmI don't, I don't know how to respond to that.
@joann_marieI'm like so over this.
Speaker 30No, but, but really, on, on that. She's like, "Mamma mia, qué desastro, qué desastro." On, on,
@joann_marieon shadows. ma, ma, que se italiano, panda, panda, no, no, no, no, panda. Stop it. I will, I will stop you. On shadows, how is she talking?
Ian MalcolmOh, on shadows, come on. I just, I just wanna, just again, and I know I said this a little bit earlier, but, Shadow Ezra was very open not only to the space,
Ian MalcolmWonderful to know that there are big content creators out there like him. I'd also, for what it's worth, I'd point out Ryan Mata, who does a ton of original content trying to cover political topics, as well as all kinds of, I guess you'd call them geopolitical matters. I, I, I saw a lot of the work that he's been doing about Tik's. And, and look, some of this is more fringe, it's more conspiratorial, it's more whatever. But these are people that are putting their time, their effort into trying to make the world a
Ian MalcolmHe flew, he flew from one country to another, to land in one state, to drive to another, to try and help out with Thomas Massey's election, right? It, it's, it's unbelievable to know that there are so many people-- diligent Denison was in here earlier, right? These are folks that are trying to really make the world better, to be citizen journalists, in the case of Shadow, trying to, you know, help sift through all this nonsense to make sure that people are still aware of the critical things. And like you said, he's not just throwing slop to
Ian MalcolmTry and make money, right? And, and, and I kind of look at big accounts that have a million followers, and I presume that that's exactly what they're doing. Unfortunately, a lot of them are. but when you see somebody like Shadow who's, who's doing this the right way, just gotta give lots of kudos to them. So, I just wanted to call that out really quickly.
@ronnienapolisAnd don't forget about yourself.
@joann_marieHe's amazing, thank you so much, Shadow. And guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and, oh, he loves Shadow. And our amazing speakers, Tony, Jingjiang, everybody here is just absolutely brilliant, so thank you so much. And it's been such a great space. Thank you so much for putting this together, Ian. Alright,
@joann_marieit's no, Panda, no. It's, it's somewhere we agreed not to look. Go for it.
Speaker 24Okay, can you hear me? Hello?
@joann_marieYou sound like you're like in the bathroom or something, there is like echo.
Ian MalcolmOh
Speaker 24no, it's like, yeah. Oh shit. What? Can you hear me? Are you in jail? Yeah, can you hear me? Hello, can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmAre, are you, do you need assistance? Should we dial nine one one? Are, are you fearful?
Speaker 24No, actually it's, it's five thirty-five AM in the morning, and I have some-
Ian MalcolmWell, welcome and good, good morning.
Speaker 24Thank you. So it's been a great space, I've learned a lot. Thank you so much for putting this up, I will definitely work at implementing the things I've learned from here. okay, Shane is already off the call, I wanted to talk about this app, but I guess I will just do that on his DM. Now, I actually have a question, from the conversations that were said here, and it appears like new accounts are actually at a disadvantage. Of course, I'm one of them now. Of course, my account I'm looking at
Speaker 24Putting football content out there and literally through the replies I get engagements, but when I post on my wall, little to no engagements, of course, maybe because it's a new account and all. So I actually wanted to ask, are there any tips that I can implement? But much more, which in one of the questions I want to ask is, if I get posted by,
Speaker 24a popular account, would that help in any way? And if it should, if it will, how can I go about? That I just need assistance basically on how I can grow my account, if you have any ideas on that. Thank you so much, Irene. We look forward to good answers.
@joann_marieI think you should post our original content and I don't know. I, I don't, I don't post that much, so I have no idea how to- Oh, I, I can, I
Speaker 21can, I can speak on a little bit because, I guess I'm started with nothing, small account to, to now is- it, I, I first I understand how difficult it is because it seems like everything is dark and there's nothing that makes sense, as you probably heard from the space. But there's a lot of informations out there from, good creators that, echoes that, you know, the correct engagement with the followers and doing the space, being here, asking question, connecting is very important, but being authentic, I think that was the biggest thing that I made it work myself is every single engagement I made replying to different accounts, I didn't just say hi I didn't say, say agreed, I didn't reply like a bot. I actually asked specific questions or I really read through their post and then I agree with it, and obviously after agreeing, I put my value in it, and then actually engaging with people really did help me to gain, followers that wasn't a follow to follow bots, but it was actually, good connections. And from there, you build one by one. It, it really doesn't happen overnight. I believe I was spending about ten to twelve hours every single Days, seven days a week, my screen time was thirteen hours a day. So it wasn't just thinking posting one and, oh, why don't I get anything? Because, you're fighting against six hundred million other people. So it takes work, but just staying true to yourself does help. That's all I can say.
@joann_marieThat
Speaker 20was, that was such a great question, Jen. I can give
@joann_marieyou a rundown. Yeah, go, go for it,
Speaker 20Samir. Oh The best way, find, so wh-whatever your niche is, say your niche is, moldy bread like Ian, so you would find the biggest moldy bread influencer, so in this case, if it's Ian, 'cause you want like-minded moldy bread people. Bread,
Ian Malcolmbread, bread, bread, bread. So,
Speaker 20since he's, he's the big account that has the people that reply that like moldy bread, right? So if you go to his reply section Find people there, 'cause they're small accounts, they're gonna notice when you engage with them, maybe put them on a list. Like if you reply to big accounts, they're not gonna notice you. You get too much engagement, we're not gonna engage back, that's just the reality. You're better off engaging with other small accounts, but make sure it's in your own niche, 'cause when you're building your account, if you build your account and it's like spread everywhere, they're not gonna give a fuck what you post, right? We-- Well, I want moldy bread
Speaker 20Accounts in his reply section and add them to like a list or something, engage with them repeatedly, their small accounts, they don't get much engagement, so they're gonna engage back. That's how you do it. And then Brock,
Ian MalcolmBrock, for what it's worth, moldy bread on your timeline is still winning. It has rejected clown was up there, dude. From a four hundred thousand, follower account, moldy bread still undefeated.
Speaker 20Are you sure? I thought he cooked me. Oh, yeah, seventy-one to eighty-seven right now, yep.
Ian MalcolmMoldy bread cannot be defeated
@joann_marieAll hail the moldy bread for everyone else. And from now on, whenever people
Ian Malcolmask me what I talk about on X, I'm just gonna say moldy bread.
Speaker 20I mean, you probably would've cooked me if you moldy breaded the moldy bread. No,
Ian MalcolmI could never. Bread sticks together.
Speaker 20Wouldn't it be funny if, fuck, you said Simon does it too, right? Simon's like, oh, Simon, Simon
Ian Malcolmgot some of his, his ratios. I, I still think the, the Rabbi Shmuley twenty-five thousand to fifty is the, I think that's still the champion, but Simon got some good- Twenty-
Speaker 20twenty-five thousand, not to fifth, like to fifty, five zero, no K after that. Twenty-five thousand
Ian Malcolmto five zero, yeah, for Rabbi Shmuley. That's fucking
Speaker 20shit.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I put that one up in the nest. That's, that's one of my, that is actually my favorite, that's my favorite reply I've, I've had on X, just 'cause I, I envision Radhika scrolling through X and having to see those numbers. But, no need to, I'm not trying to pick on him, it is, it, it's for the comedy, not, not for any animus. And
@joann_marieI'm like, no!
Ian MalcolmThe multi propaganda going in, going in Almost every post that Mark Levin makes, Simon ratios by the thousands. And Mark Levin, I-- he's either a glutton for punishment or maybe he just finds it funny or maybe he enjoys the extra, extra eyeballs on his post because of it. I don't, I don't know why he does it.
Speaker 29Yeah, I, I always wondered that. There are these certain accounts that they block everyone, but then there's like prominent accounts that ratio the hell out of 'em and they keep 'em, they keep 'em around. I, you know, I guess they like it to some extent.
Ian MalcolmAll
@joann_marieright, I think maybe Arias is back, I don't know, hold on, Arias.
Speaker 31Hey.
@joann_marieOh, you're back, okay, go for it, welcome.
Speaker 31yes, thank you guys for having me. The, the conversation that, that, that you guys are having, it, it, it's, it's very, interesting because, I, I was watching, I was watching my account, you know, carefully throughout, throughout these last four years, and I was watching how, how people on, on the side, they grew, and I was watching what they did versus some, some things that
Speaker 31I, I don't, I don't wanna do.
Speaker 31So, I, I think, I, I think it's, it's, it's, for whatever reason, my account has been like kinda like, like, like suppressed or, or, or it's been, it's been, it's been targeted where, where I don't have that, I don't have some sort of what, what can I do? What, what can I do as per a, a one of those, one of those, Loan accounts that, that, that is, that's hanging, that is hanging out there, wait, waiting to, to be, to be unleashed. W- w- what, what, how do I get rid of these oppressions? W- in your, in your, you know, with your skills and, and, and with your understandings, anybody in, in, on the, on the panel?
@ronnienapolisI'll say this. Oh, I'm sorry, Jen. You go ahead, Bud.
Speaker 21No, it's, I, I just wanted quickly, a-again, going back to Brock's friend, Shane, I, I think I just literally clicked your, profile and saw some of the posts and the impressions and engagement you're getting, you're definitely getting throttled. There's, there's a post or something that you probably need to do and reset it. And I think what Shane was talking about, was right on the, hit the nails in the, nails in the head. You're 100% getting throttled, and that needs to be done and clear things off, and that's probably the first things, because whatever you try to do, like post less, post more, you probably tried everything, it's probably not working for that reason.
@joann_marieSo, so when, if I post like a random cat, like timeline cleanse, it does cleanse it or I've seen it, I've never done it. I've seen people do it.
Speaker 21So, so the cleansing the account, i-it's not really, I think Shane did say about this, it's not really a one, like one solution. This is really depending on the account, hence that's why the review needs to be done. And usually for me, for, for my subs and followers, I do it manually, which takes forever. But he automated that. you need to know what's causing it without, without The reason why you're, you're get- you're getting throttled, which account, which content is causing that is really difficult to cleanse it until you figure out what's causing it.
@joann_marieYou know what? No, but have you seen that people randomly, like someone that doesn't post cats posts like a cat and then says like timeline cleanse or something, like does that help? You know what? No, that's more just like,
Speaker 29that's like, a, a joke 'cause they're, you know, 'cause there's so much negative stuff on the timeline, they'll post
Speaker 29So you're seeing something that's not so, depressing for a moment.
@joann_marieI think I don't know, I, I, yeah, that's, yeah, it's not,
Speaker 29it's not like a reset button or anything like that.
@joann_marieOh no, I, I kind of understood that, but I thought that the algo was going to help after like putting a cut, I don't know. Well, I've seen people that are
Speaker 29shadow banned like to take like a forty-eight hour break or something and come back and it resets. I mean, I, I haven't tried that myself, but I
@joann_marieLock their account for like a day or something? Yes, or sometimes
Speaker 29temporarily deactivating the account and then reactivating it, after like forty-eight hours. I've seen that work for people.
Speaker 21Yep, if you're shadow banned, that works. Yeah. just go, go, go for forty-eight hours and then start reposting like one post a day, that works. But again, like, shadow ban, like I just checked this account, I don't think it's shadow banned, it's hundred percent getting throttled.
Speaker 29Yeah, and wh-when I used to only have a couple thousand followers, I would get shadow banned quite frequently, especially if I went on a posting spree or like a reply spree or whatever, it would get, I would end up
Ian MalcolmHey, on that, and, and Jen, I'm curious your thoughts on this, because, I don't think it's as relevant now, and, and it was actually one of the reasons that I initially started removing a lot of the people that I was following, is because what I recognized was I was being put in probable spam, and then if you're, if you're really bad, you go from probable spam to basically the hateful content that you can only get to by clicking show probable spam and then going all the way to the bottom, show hateful conduct. And I- I say it because the thing that I realized was, it was, it wasn't even because necessarily what I was saying, but it's because I was connected to people that had that label applied to their account, and if I replied to or engaged with anything that they were saying, like a virus, it spread from them to me. And what I realized is that X was basically using that as a way to say, "Oh, okay, we're gonna take all these dissidents that we don't, we don't like their verbiage. If one of them behaves poorly, well then we'll make sure That engages with them, they also get the same label, and oh, by the way, it doesn't show you if your connections are listed as probable spam. So you'll just see their content on the timeline and engage with it, not thinking anything of it, and then you basically get the virus. And the only way that you can know if they're marked as probable spam is by disconnecting, which is why, why initially I removed a lot of the people I was following, and what I realized was a lot of the people I was regularly engaging with had that exact same label on them.
Speaker 20That's, Like, that's the guide I released in twenty twenty-three was exactly this. The deboosting issue. You can only, you can only see if, like, if you're following someone, you can't tell, you'd have to look from an alt account And that, and that's the whole thing, me and Shane deleting posts, it was to get out of this bullshit. And you're right, it was literally like spreading like a virus. If someone had it, you, you engage with them, you're wearing someone what they got. And the smaller your account is, the easier it was to get put in the show probable spam. But if you're a bigger account that gets a lot of, inbound engagement, it kinda would offset that, so you'd get away with it more. But it's not, it's not as prevalent as it was
Speaker 29Not, not when I first made it, but when I first started posting on here, like a two years ago maybe, and I was mostly just reply-guying, I would end up, you know, when I had just a couple thousand or less followers, I would always end up in that, probable spam round. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 20because you're engaging with so many people that someone surely has it, and you got fucked. And like, I found this out because my method of- Like growing an account is like I said earlier, find other small accounts, one to one engage, they'll hit you back, and then you build up your base level of engagement and now it goes organic in the algorithm. But if you're engaging a shit ton, back in the tweetpred days, you'd fuck yourself. So, you asked about, like, you think you're shadowbanned? I looked at your replies, you're replying to bigger accounts. So I would say what I kinda just said, you gotta find some small accounts because why? When you engage on their post, they
Speaker 20And now they're dwell timing on your profile, their, your post will then show in their feed. You do that enough, where you get like ten, twenty likes in your post, now the algorithm has enough engagement to go, "Hey, these twenty people in politics like the post, I'm gonna send it to ten organic people." You, you can't, like, if you're, if you're starting with no engagement and you're just replying to, like, I saw you reply to like Mario Nafal, Yodi, love Yodi, but, you know, these bigger accounts They get en- they get so much engagement, they're not gonna really hit you back. A small account, they're gonna look and see who engaged with me. So that's why when you're starting or you're at zero, you engage with small accounts, so then they hit you back. Like I just said, you get a base level on your post. Now the algorithm has enough to go, oh, I know where to send this. If you-- there's no data points for the algorithm on your posts, they don't know where the fuck to send it, right? It's just dead on Account, the, the game totally changes. You don't need to engage at all, because everything goes organic. So, yeah, it's, that's kind of the way, at least in my
@joann_marieopinion. I'm learning so much. Thank you so much, everyone. No, this, this is just absolutely amazing. Thank you. Turkey, welcome, go for it.
@smallhatwatchOh, evening, friends. How are we doing? Good. How are you? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. When it comes to Ian's post, my all time favorite is, "Who runs the sewers?" And he posted the, picture of the Jew coming out of the sewers. I think he was replying to, Paulina Luna or whatever that bitch's name is. That's fucking hilarious. So good. Did you really
Ian Malcolmsay "Who runs the sewers?" "Who runs the sewers?" I asked lots of questions, but I didn't know about the sewers.
@smallhatwatchIt was so good, man. But, yeah, as far as the algorithm goes, like, dude, I got to, I got to 1,250 followers pretty quickly, but for the last year... I've been just stuck at twelve hundred and fifty, which is fine. I don't really give a shit about followers, I just wanna get the message out. As long as people are hearing the message and getting j-pilled, getting red-pilled, understanding the complications and the problems that we face as a society, as a culture, that's all that matters to me. I don't give a shit about followers. But, that's why I started posting now to, Facebook on my like actual, like, you know, out there profile on Facebook, and, you know, people are surprisingly receptive to it. I was actually quite surprised, because, I think-
@smallhatwatchNot everyone, obviously not everyone, but a lot of people are realizing that, you know, there's something going wrong with our society, and when you just give them little bits of information, and you give them in bite-sized portions that are able to compete with this goy slop, these 15-second clips, these 30-second clips, like obviously no one's watching five-minute videos on Facebook. Who the fuck does that? But when you give them like little bits of information, reel them in, and then you get them interested, and then they do their own research, and they're like, "Oh, yeah,
@smallhatwatchwe do have a subjugated society. Our government is overrun by foreign nationals. Oh, look at that!" And then you just, you know, you get that ball rolling. but yeah, as far as the algorithm goes on X I don't know what the fuck is going on, man, 'cause, I am absolutely stuck here, but, you know, I'm stuck for good. I'm here. It's Turkey time.
Ian MalcolmIt's Turkey time. Let's go.
@joann_marieoh no. Thank you so much for coming out, Turkey. Ronnie, go for it. And if people from the panel wanna speak, please raise your hand so that I go to you. Okay. Ronnie, go for it.
@ronnienapolisWell, I just wanna say I'm excited for the after party, so hopefully we wrap this up quick, but- Oh, no, I think, I think
Ian Malcolmwe're in, I think we're in the after party. Joanne, do you know if, is Truth gonna run a space?
@joann_marieI think it will, soonish.
Ian MalcolmOkay. For, I, I, I think we can use whatever time left. we had some, some speakers in here earlier that I think we, you know, wanted to be very open to and, and, and, and be rather moderate with the political angles, but, but feel free.
@ronnienapolisAll right. We can talk about what the algorithm is actually run by and everything.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I, I think it's probably a safe space. For, for those that, I, I don't wanna say this, for those that don't care for geopolitical matters, if there are things that offend your sensibilities, I apologize. but there, let's just say that the bias on X in terms of who and what gets suppressed, there's, there's lots of reasons to say that that's happening for sure. There's certainly certain topics that are more taboo than others. And if you start looking at who's the top, not only the leadership of this app, but essentially all social media, you, you find similar patterns. And so that, let's just use that as a preface for anything that might follow, but go for it, Ronnie. All
@ronnienapolisright. so Jen, I, I like that you immediately, just like I did, went and searched that guy's profile just to see exactly what was going on because I see it on my own profile, I, I'm trying to remind everybody, you have to clear out your following list because if you don't clear out the bots, you're just being followed by something that is literally detrimental to your own algorithm. We have to follow each other, so make sure you guys are following the people in this space, make sure you guys are sharing the space and things like that. So,
@ronnienapoliswhen it comes to the algorithm, we have to remember that There is always one point that it leads to in a triangle. if you-- you know, Ian, I'm not sure if you've already touched down on this, but if everybody looks it up, you guys will find that a lot of the people who fund Elon Musk and X are also people who fund APAC, the same people who took out Thomas Massey. So,
@ronnienapolisI'm a huge Thomas Massey supporter. I called his twenty twenty-eight run back in twenty twenty-five. So when we're gonna talk about it, well, let's find out exactly where everything started from. So in eighteen ninety-nine, the Zionist Bible was Written. And then in the 1900s, you have w-who people refer to as B. B. Netanyahu, but his actual name is Benjamin,
@ronnienapolisMike, Malkowski. Mike Wachowski. Yes, yes, yes. Mike Wachowski. So Yeah, Mike, Mike Wozalski. So, his grandfather was Nathan. Nathan, in the 1900s, he was in Poland and he was a traveling Zionist, priest. So within a hundred and fifty mile radius, you have Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's grandfather, you have, Larry Page's grandfather, you also have Sam Altman's grandfather. So let's fast forward to today and see where all this links together.
@ronnienapolisEpstein was a CIA Mossad agent, which links to Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, he is the prime minister. So Epstein funded
@ronnienapolisPeter Thiel, Peter Thiel funded Sam Altman. Epstein was also a
@ronnienapolisassociate or, you know, more or less just a voice, to the investors of Google For, you know, Larry Page and everything. So, everything links together. And when we're talking about the algorithms, the algorithms are used to sup-- you know, suppress the truth. You guys aren't allowed to find out the truth, you're actively, deleting it. Everything in AI is used through R L H F, which is like the real life human factor or whatever. And, it's also with, the constitutional AI or whatever that was written by,
@ronnienapolisDario and Anthropic. So those are the two main factors that lay on top of AI, and it has an orchestration layer. So the orchestration layer is what everybody refers to as the safety guardrails. So the orchestration layer is written as, "Hey, don't talk about this, avoid this, don't say that, and be this kind of person."
@ronnienapolisI sued OpenAI, I said this in the space earlier, I sued OpenAI last year. So I have written my own framework, I have it in a Python and in a NumPy. I'm just waiting, you know, to get a little laptop and then I'll download my own Python or my own, open source, LLM so that I can apply my shit. But, I have a actual post, and I posted it in the comments earlier and stuff, where if you just copy and paste it into your conversations, it doesn't matter if you use ChatGPT or if you use Grok or any of it, if you copy and paste it, it is a guideline or a safety guardrail, orchestration layer,
@ronnienapolisthat Will direct the LLM, the AI that you were using, and it makes it more honest because everything that you guys are using is being used against you. We developed AI, everything that they- You
@joann_mariewanna, please land it soon, thank you.
@ronnienapolisWhat's that?
@joann_marieOh, please, please land it soon, but I love everything that you're saying, though.
@ronnienapolisOh, yeah, yeah, alright. So every, everything that they're using against us, we developed, we developed AI, and now they're trying, they're trying to take your information Away from you by using it against you. So, you know, with the algorithm
Speaker 32you just have to remember we're all in it together and we have to comment, share, post our own stuff because when we're posting, you know, all, Benny Johnson and, Ben Shapiro's and all of them, that's what gives them the attention and not us.
@joann_marieAmazing, thank you so much, Ronnie. Professor Socially Davis, go for it, welcome.
@joann_marieProfessor,
@realdavereillyYeah, okay, thank you. Thank you, and, Joanne, how you doing? It's been a long time. and, Elen, how you doing? Bro, follow me back, cost. It's been a long time. I've been joining your space quite, quite a while now. I love your show, so beautiful, educated, and, and robust. And on this topic, I think, I think someone said right here that,
@realdavereillyyou know, he doesn't care what he really about the gold and followers and all that. I think I'm, I don't subscribe to that. I don't really. You know, put myself about, followers and all that. If I don't follow, if I don't follow, I don't really care, I don't look how people like or something like that, but I don't think about making money online, right here on X, but,
@realdavereillyI just wanna, you know, talk about what I'm passionate about and then I'm truthful and I think the universe will control the rest. That I want my master's degrees about this, but I don't know if I can practice it. I need to go back to my books and see if I can refresh my memory. But, that being said, algorithm, you know, yeah, every major, platform has,
@realdavereillya kind of different approach in rating or ranking its, algorithms. You have TikTok, you have, Instagram, you have now, Facebook and then X, right? So, I, I, I think X what it does, you know, being the, the boss now on Elon Musk, so, maybe some changes, I think so. I don't know how many percentage you're worried though.
@realdavereillyI, I, it, it, I think they focus more on, recency and, and, topics that are trendy like what most of you have mentioned, then, then interactions that would, you know, pick, kind of pique people's curiosity, then reply and then quotes to it and all that. So that's what I can, I can give to add to this, but it's good learning. Can you guys kind of refresh my brain? You guys are doing great job. I wish I see you guys so I can invite you for a cup of coffee, you know? Maybe there should be kind of online coffee, right? Right. And,
@realdavereillybut I have someone asking a question, I see. What if you cannot post on Jumbotron? What's the problem?
@realdavereillyYou can post the Jumbotron. that's-- no, someone asked a question, right? You can't, you can't post on Jumbotron. Why, why, why, why is that? Is it, I don't know, it's shallow bound or
@joann_mariewhat? What do you mean? I mean, you can. I, in Twitter Spaces, I don't allow people to post that, just because he doesn't like. It also makes the space lag if there is a lot of pe- of things in the Jumbotron.
@realdavereillyNo,
@joann_marieno, no, what I mean,
@realdavereillywhat I mean- I don't like You don't have the option.
@joann_marieNo, yes, you do. Everyone in the panel does.
@realdavereillyBut, but, but, but, but, but, but, but this individual, I've, I've seen his phone and I went through it, there's no option. Before he just shared the, the mic and all that and he shows, the person, why you're a speaker. Okay, I'm, I'm
@joann_mariegonna show you how to do it and I'll post it in the purple panel, but please don't do it in this page, though, okay? Well, thank you No,
@realdavereillyit's not me, but what, what about you? There's no option. That's my point. There is an option.
@joann_marieI'm literally going to show you how to do it in, in the comments. Okay, alright.
Ian MalcolmThank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Joanne is such a boss, I love it.
@joann_marieI'm so embarrassed right now. Okay. Donna, welcome, go for
@donnaleistit. Thank you, Joann. Hi, Ian. well, I'm just going to end Ronnie's conversation and ask my question. We have Kissinger tied to,
@donnaleistRothschild, Swob, Maxwell, Kushner, and Bibi. How's that? And he's the one who created the Binational Science Foundation, the Binational Industrial Research and Development. And the bi-national agricultural research and development. So how do you think they got our tech? Okay, now my question. How many people get their posts thrown into the draft drawer? I mean,
@donnaleistI sometimes wind up with like almost scrolling through like two pages of my posts that get thrown in the draft drawer, and I seen them post. Initially, I saw them post. And then I find them in the draft drawer. Does anybody else experience that? And I'll land.
Ian MalcolmI, I don't have any comments. Jen, do you have, have you seen that? no, not, not personally.
Speaker 33What was it? Seen what?
Ian Malcolmposts that go to the draft, folder instead of being sent.
Speaker 33I've never seen that. I, I've had like drafts that I've deleted that just come back randomly in my drafts, but other than that, no, I, I've never seen one.
Speaker 34One thing that happens a lot is I try to post it and the error message comes up ten freaking times. I wanna break
Speaker 33my- Yeah. I've seen that, but I've also seen that and it's still posted.
Speaker 34Yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, right. Did I post ten times in a row?
Speaker 33Yeah, I've had that exact experience, yeah.
Speaker 35The most terrifying thing you can encounter while posting is the screen refreshes and ask you to verify if you're a human, 'cause then you're about to get locked out for seven days.
Speaker 33Oh yeah,
Speaker 36well, that'll happen.
Speaker 35Yeah,
Speaker 36I've noticed that draft, that, that happens, and that's the dangers with the shadow banning, because there's s-such control that, the majority of it seems all fine on our pages. I feel like they've even been cleaning that up for our posts to even identify via that draft drawer. they're just overtly- Not allowing it to send to no alert on our end, but I experienced a high, a high level of, of those drafts, and it's incredibly alarming. And you try to resend 'em, and it just wouldn't even resend, and sometimes it would resend, and it would just drop out of the draft, then you go to the profile and look, look up on the post or whatever that comment was to, and it doesn't exist. It's not viewable. So it's really, really dangerous and sketchy with the shift from over bands to shadow bands, because that's where it's really hard, 'cause we have limited access. We only have the singular profile, so unless we're going and double checking every action we do, and even then, it may view fine on our side, if you view it now through someone else's profile, it may or may not be there. So it's really- Really hard to see as to our true outreach in, in these untrustworthy platforms.
Speaker 36It's scary.
@joann_marieAlright, and I posted in the purple pill how to put stuff in the Jumbotron.
@joann_marieAnd I don't see any more hands. But Yankee, thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, I
Ian Malcolmwas gonna say let's check in with Yankee to see if he wants to, and I, I see we've also got Royal, Classic, so why don't, why don't we go through those two and then we'll go back to, Jin and Tony for some, some final remarks here.
Speaker 37Hello, it's morning over here. I'm happy to be here. Thank you for putting this together. Thank you for being here. Let's check in with
Speaker 38Yankee. I love that. I love that. It's like my favorite thing, like when someone asks me, "Like, hey, how are you doing?" and then someone else wants to reply for me. Go ahead, World, tell, tell everybody how I'm doing today.
Speaker 37I just wanna be sure if you all can hear me. Hello? We, we can hear you. Yeah, we can hear you. Oh, but did you- Oh, thank you very
@joann_mariemuch.
Speaker 37Yes, oh, I, I have been listening for quite some time now, and then it's been really awesome. Thank you for putting this together. Initially, I wanted to answer somebody, I don't know if he's still on the space, going somewhere or something, I can't remember the name. He was saying something about, been having a new account. And then he doesn't know how to go about it. I don't know if you're still here, but from my experience, what I just noticed is that, when you have a new account like that, you know, you talked about something like niches, and he's, posting football content, so there is a whole lot of, football accounts on X that he can follow. there are a lot of punters that he have active followers. I just want to say that he can follow them, he can ap- he can engage With their content. But my whole issue is that,
Speaker 37I don't know, my niche, I, I rarely get big accounts to engage with, and it's not been favoring me because every time I engage in so many big accounts, I get a whole lot of engagements, impressions, and all, but on my posts, it's crazy, and it looks like the more I was chasing the five million impressions, and the more I was getting impressions from all those big accounts I have been engaging Impressions on my own original post, I have been dropping. You know, unlike when I wasn't verified, I was just doing my thing, and then I was building up, I wasn't, I didn't care about impressions, I was just being, you know, I was being natural over the years, I've been doing that, creating content and engaging. And the moment I got verified, and I have been chasing five million impressions, engaging big accounts, and I have been, you know, I've been getting impressions, I've been noticed from all those big accounts, there's something happening We became negative on my own account because every time I post,
Speaker 37I don't know, it feels like something is half I was shadow banned, sometimes it go on whole. So I want to know, is this something responsible for the fact that when you are getting, when you are being noticed by bigger accounts, you are getting high impressions from your own replies, then it gets to burn your own, original content? I don't even know how to put it. I hope, is there anybody that understand all that, that I can explain why it is like that, that the more- You try to get that five billion impression, you're trying to get monetized, and then getting the bank account and how you've been getting the impressions, you know, I get replies of up to sixty thousand views on a particular comment, then when I post, they start dropping. Originally, I have, there are posts I've made sometimes ago that got up to thirteen thousand views, but now to get even a hundred view is a struggle, and I, I can't explain it. Thank you.
@joann_marieYeah, thank you so much, Raoul. Yeah, they said that when you're, when you're small, you need to, reply to smaller accounts be- before you reply to the big ones because the algo doesn't know where to put you. And maybe Jen can explain it really fast for you again because we already went through this, but-
Speaker 34Yeah, you have to treat separate, your, your organic posts versus the reply completely separately to start with. The reason you do engagement with the other account is whole point is to let o- other people- People know that you exist. That's why you reply, because if you post on your organic timeline and you're not getting that much impressions, other way that you can control that is to go out there and get people to notice you, and that's replies. So it, it is technically connected, yet it's completely separate. So if you're not getting engagement on your main post, it's not the re-- a fault of your reply, it's more of what you're actually doing on your organic post. Again, without actually reviewing your content itself or the account, it's very difficult to tell what- What's causing it? It could be multiple different things, I think we talked about in, in this space. But yes, your reply is not causing it, unless, unless of course, you're causing it to act like a bot spam, but you just told us that you're getting a good impression, so I doubt that's the cause.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Jen. You guys are absolutely brilliant. Okay, Sean, welcome, go for it.
@seanbelanger007Hey, yeah, interesting stuff. I'm, I'm learning all this. I really had no idea about anything, so this is all enlightening information, so I appreciate everybody. But I really just came by to say Happy Memorial Day, God bless America and our troops, you know, and I hope everybody, you know, appreciates, you know, what, what they did for us, and, thank you guys for hosting the space.
Ian MalcolmI love it, Sean. You're a wonderfully patriotic commentary there, and, and it's absolutely worth noting, right? especially on this day. And I, I, I saw some people, unfortunately on the timeline, suggesting, "How dare individuals celebrate soldiers that have, you know, essentially been misguided and perhaps been fighting wars that don't serve the benefit of the United States, as a whole?" And while that is a reasonable critique, it's also perfectly reasonable to recognize a lot of people are- They're trying to be patriotic, they're trying to defend their country, they don't know the inner workings of some of those, let's say, the macro geopolitical realities, and, and so we shouldn't take away, that which is due to ignorance and, and presume it due to kind of, malice, right? So very well stated there, Sean. But let's, let's go and, and I see we got hands up there from Ronnie in Turkey. Let's check in with both of them rather quickly, guys, and then we'll go
Ian Malcolmto, We'll go to Tony for some parting words for the space.
Speaker 34Okay.
Ian MalcolmOh, wait, and you can take, take all the time that you want. I, I know that you weren't, you weren't here before.
Ian MalcolmDid he drop?
@seanbelanger007Yeah.
Speaker 32was I going or was Yankee?
@joann_marieI don't know where Yankee went. He was like, "Okay, and then, and then that- "
Speaker 39And then he's like, "Most of the time, so he'll be
Speaker 32back. " I swear, Ian, this shit happens all the time. I, I, I told you- Okay, go for it, Ronnie, and
@joann_mariewe can maybe wait for, for Yankee to come back, to come back.
Speaker 32Yeah, go ahead, Ian. Just speak on- I was just gonna say on Jen's point, you know, when you're a small account, you're, you're Trying to sit around and be a big account, I post and repost and quote post because I try to amplify the big account voices. Because when I amplify your guys' voice, I amplify my own. We all agree on, you know, at least ninety percent of some stuff, so,
Speaker 32that's what I wanted to add on, which again, you know, don't try to be the big account, try to- Be your own account, try to be engaged with the people that you see who amplify your voice when you're not being heard on this, on this app.
Ian MalcolmYou know, that's well stated, and, and the one thing I would add to that is, I genuinely think if you, if you act in a way on this platform that is trying to, let's say, benefit the communal good, that all of the stuff comes full circle anyway. And, and, and so whether it's quote posts or replies, likes, you know, I, I, I always try to engage with almost everything that, that I see come across the feed that looks like it's just in good faith, lots of which, not necessarily people I see all that often, but I, I, I wanna try to make the world go round, I think that that's true regardless of the account size that you have, so, so well stated there.
Speaker 34So I wanna add, like, I wanna say this because it's funny, Ian, you say that, because how I was invited is because of that. Ian commented on my post and he asked me to say, "Hey, are you interested in joining?" You guys have to understand, I'm small. I only have three point eight K followers. I started this five months ago. Yes, I've been religiously trying to figure this out, sure, but compared to what these guys has done, I'm, I'm, I'm tiny. But the fact that he still, commented, still engaged and asked me to join just shows you, if you stay, and continue to engage authentically and just really try to be who you are, and you meet people like Ian, and then you get an opportunity like this, and you get to speak, and I, again, Ian, appreciate that, appreciate the opportunity, and just want to charm in.
Ian MalcolmNo, abs- absolutely. And, and, in all sincerity, I, I, I always say this, very, very few people take me up on this, and then sometimes those that do, then basically get attacked for it, which is, and it, it, I find this so strange. And to elaborate a little bit, if, if, if there is anything that you, and, and this is the royal you, would like to discuss with whatever audience I can muster, send me a message. I will platform anybody and everybody as long as they're just in good faith, trying to make the world better, right? And so this upcoming week, I'm really excited, Joanne and I are gonna be hosting a space with two different politicians that are, are running, in, in local office. These, these are people that, you know, on, on one Couple thousand followers, the other doesn't even have a hundred, right? But he's throwing his name into the ring to try and run for Congress, he's trying to figure out how do I get connected on the, the digital landscape to build a footprint. Why would I not support that, right? And, and so I think there's a lot of people, this goes back to authenticity, there's a lot of people that, and, and it's so funny, Joe, and you'll remember this because I got attacked, and I'm not even gonna mention the group, let's say just a
Ian Malcolmthat I, I hosted a space for an individual and all these people flooded the comment section, "Oh, look, you're hosting a nobody. What if..." And I wanted to be like, "This is the exact opposite of what we should be doing on this application. Anybody that has any reach should be trying to take those that don't, that have good ideas, and to lift them up." The, the idea that I should sit here and only try to set up spaces with accounts bigger than mine so I can grow, how absurdly self-centered is the world when that's the norm? It's crazy. Just try to make the world better for other people, and when you see individuals that are bright, that are smart, that are sharp, why would you not want to lift them up and engage with them? Right? And having Jin in here has been amazing. He's walked through all these tactical ways that we can all better our behavior on here, not by being manipulative or disingenuous But just trying to play the algorithm the best that we can, right? This, this is a game at the end of the day, right? There, there's those of us that are here for political reasons, we're here for entertainment, whatever your reason, you're still playing a game, right? We've gotta op-- This is like The Matrix. You've gotta operate within the confines of the system, and just like Neo, you can learn how to move faster, how to jump farther, all that kind of stuff, right? But lift up anybody and everybody that's valuable, and don't do
Ian Malcolmworld and the, the communal good, and if you do that, it comes back full circle. And I think a lot of people that are either, they're demoralized, they're depressed, they're, they're, they're kind of socially, let's say, aloof, they, they don't recognize that by doing things for others, you end up making the world way better for yourself, far more than you will by just focusing on your own desires. So, yeah, Jin, I, I was so humbled to come across your, your content, my friend.
@joann_marieIan, you're wonderful. You guys are absolutely wholesome, like, I love it so much. hold on, Turkey, go for it.
@smallhatwatchYeah, Ian, absolutely wholesome, and, I appreciate the sentiment because, yeah, the smaller accounts really do need help.
@smallhatwatchYou know, it's difficult for, the smaller accounts to gain reach when, they're not on these bigger platforms such as yours. for instance, was it, the Nigerian lady who was here earlier? I think she left now. But, you know, Nigeria is a country of like, hundreds of millions of people, and in the next twenty- 30 years, I think they're on track to
@smallhatwatchbe the largest population in the world if they continue at their pace. So you kinda have to find a way to, set yourself apart from the pack if you wanna get a following. You have to find some sort of avenue, some sort of niche that's going to get you a following. That's, you know, going to foster some sort of, you know, beneficial,
@smallhatwatchyou know, i-if you're in it for money, I don't know, but, if you're in it for money, then, yeah, you gotta, you gotta find something that's gonna garner people's attention, and you gotta do those short clips, you gotta do the, you know, fifteen, thirty-second clips, blah, blah, blah. But, yeah, like for me, my, my m-message is,
@smallhatwatchethno-nationalism, which for me, as a Canadian, doesn't seem to be all that popular in this country, which is kind of unfortunate. But, I'm gonna run with it because I don't care about follower accounts, I just care about, getting the message out. But for other people who wanna get a following, you know, find a niche that people find an interest in,
@smallhatwatchreally get into it, get into the details of whatever, whatever that is. Maybe it's, engineering, maybe it's, AI, maybe it's, dogs, maybe it's cats. I don't know. Doesn't really matter. But, you know, if you wanna get a following, you have to find your niche and you have to be good at it.
@joann_marieVery well said, Turkey. And I posted two of the spaces that Ian is going to, host in, in the purple pill so that you guys put the reminders. And there is also a lot of more spaces that he's gonna be hosting, so, yeah, if I post it, I will literally flood it. But I wanna welcome David to the space. Hey, David, how are you?
@realdavereillyI'm doing good, how are you? Thanks for having me up.
Speaker 39Hey, David. What's up, who's that? This is a busy man. This is a busy man here. He's been all over the place. He's been in Kentucky recently. I've been following you, I've been noticing.
@realdavereillyTrue? Yeah, we were, embedded with the Massey campaign for the last week of his campaign, and it was fucking wild, man. To have a front row seat, to the most expensive- You know, political race in American history, it's just, unreal. you know, we were, invited down, me and a group of like twenty or thirty different content creators, all invited down to Kentucky to hang out with Massey, and he is like the realest fucking dude ever. I mean Top ten, you know, he, he is the guy, you know, he is what he appears to be on the internet and on TV. You know, his family is amazing, his wife is loving and kind, his children and in-laws are great. I mean, he gave us all like a tour of his farm. It was, it was really cool, I, I gotta tell ya. And, you know, the thing that was crazy to me is like, even in the, the victory, or in the, the defeat speech, right? Like he goes up to, to concede, and It, it came off more like a victory speech, honestly, and I saw earlier today that he filed his paperwork for federal office, so he could either be running for president or just for his congressional seat again in two years. So, it'll be very interesting to see what winds up happening. very...
@realdavereillyBut yeah, I don't know if anybody has any questions about any of that or- Idaho, let me know. Yeah, just, just don't otherwise. I'm
Ian Malcolmcurious for your thoughts and, and, I'm, I'm excited. I'm gonna be speaking with, with John Casey, and then also Mike Ferris and a couple other folks in the, the coming week that are, are kind of-- I don't wanna say they're following in the footsteps of, of Massey, right? But, but they're certainly kind of breaking outside of the traditional left-right paradigm. They're talking a little bit more earnestly about,
Ian MalcolmThose types of candidates, along with, you know, what's going on with Tyler Dykes in South Carolina, Dan Buzarion, obviously, Casey Pugh and, and Massey lost, but it, it does seem like there's a lot of candidates that, that are, you know, at, at least taking steps politically that would have been beyond taboo prior to this election.
@realdavereillyYeah, I mean, well, this is kind of like a natural consequence. The pendulum is swinging back. There is, you know, not to plug my own podcast, but there is a backlash. that is happening, because of what APAC and the Jewish lobby has been doing in this country and Gaza, Middle East, and, and all of this. And so it's, it's pretty natural, I think, that this is happening. what we haven't quite seen is like
@realdavereillyThe first Zulu, if you will, to like actually break the line, you know, everybody's kind of charging the machine gun nest at this point, but we have yet to really see any like victories. I think it's gonna be very difficult, to just get a candidate to win based solely on the Israel issue, because that's just like a very small Al, albeit very, I mean, it's obviously like a very big part, right? But when it comes to running for office, governance, and all of this type of stuff, theoretically, you're supposed to be running for office for the things you're gonna do for your constituents where you live, right? This is where like the disorder of the Randy Fines and all of these other types that were, they're running for local office, they're running for, you know, Congress or whatever, and then they're legislating on behalf of a foreign country, you know? So there's still a- The question, like, okay, if you've got the Israel thing right, well, then, you know, where do you stand with Flock? Where do you stand with data centers? Where do you stand with property taxes? you know, there's still like a lot, a, a lot there. So, you know, of all of these candidates, I think Fishback, has the highest rate of likelihood for success is, primary is gonna be in August. I can't remember what day in August it is, but, very excited to see how Fish
@realdavereillyyou know, I don't think Bill Sarian frankly stands much of a chance. I was in talks with his people over a year ago, trying to convince him to run for governor of Nevada, the state he actually lives in. I do think that there was a pathway to victory, for that particular position, and I just don't, I don't see him unseating Randy Fine, especially, you know, considering like, you know, we've got Tom Thomas Massie, who was one of the most popular people in Congress, who got taken out just by money, just by pouring thirty million dollars into the campaign, and so- With that being the precedent that's set, like, you know, unless Dan Bilzerian's gonna pony up sixty or seventy million dollars,
@realdavereillyI, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning there. you know, it's, it's gonna be interesting also to see the apparatus built behind the scenes, you know, in order to win a campaign, you actually, you do need like a political machine
Speaker 40And that means door knockers, that means literature, video campaigns, ad campaigns, and so there's like a whole industry, frankly, that needs to be built out. you know, right now some of the bet-quote unquote-the best people in the, the, the Republican or conservative movement would be people like Rory McShane but he's deep in bed with Chris Lasavita and Susie Wiles,
Speaker 40so, you know, we're gonna need to build out that entire sector, and, and that, that's, you know, to be full disclosure, that's like the sector that I work in, like political consulting, advertising, all of that type of stuff. so it's gonna be interesting to see all of that stuff, you know, getting built out. but the big thing is, like, I think for people to actually like gain power You know, I don't think that these one-off, you know, celebrity running for senate, I don't think that is,
Speaker 40a good substitute for, for the actual thing, which is like we need to be building locally. We need to be building political machines locally. We need to be building, you know, institutions, networks, churches, you know, different nonprofit, networks at the local level, and- And I, I think that will kind of clear the way for better candidates, to, to win in the future,
Speaker 40you know, because as long as people kind of neglect, organizing at the local, you know, and this is something liberals are very, very good at doing. They're very good at, organizing locally And, you know, frankly, I think for our movement, whatever that may be at this point, I don't know if it's a white nationalist movement or an anti-Semitic movement or whatever, I mean, I, I'm a Catholic, I'm just kinda trying to do the next right thing, but,
Speaker 40you know, for winning political power, I do think that it's gonna take a coalition, and I think that we kinda saw the beginnings of that coalition forming around Massey and his campaign, like specifically, I was out door knocking, like me- Mr. Far right extremist, Dave Riley, was out like door knocking with a lesbian from Los Angeles, like very liberal, as well as a registered like independent that like voted for Bernie Sanders. And it was like the three of us like going out like, you know, door knocking. It was a very peculiar coalition
Speaker 40but I think that there's something there, I, I think that's kind of forming, it's very nascent, it's, you know, coming around, and we'll see how far that goes, you know, usually it's these leftists that kind of try to cut Those of us on the right out, you know, they, they, oh, you're a Nazi, and, you know, they try to, you know, keep us out of that coalition. But, you know, maybe we'll see something turn. I mean, I'm definitely very, like, white-pilled on Democrats like Ro Khanna. you know, I mean, I'm not a Democrat, I don't support the Democrats, but like, you know, I, I think that there's something there. there's something with,
Speaker 40like, AOC I don't know if y'all know that or not, about Matt and AOC, but it's true. And so, you know, I think that there's gonna have to be a lot of, coalition building, you know, and that's gonna be the exact opposite of what's been happening in this space for the past several months, which is purity spiraling, and you're brown, you're, you're not white, you're X, you're Y, you know, and just tearing each other apart. we've been doing a lot of that, and I don
Speaker 40We're gonna have to find ways to come together and be like, "Hey, you know, I get it, you're a, you're a fag, I'm not, I don't support that, but we both don't like Israel, so for this election, let's work together and see what happens." I mean, you know, I, I don't think it's a silver bullet, I don't think, you know, I mean, like I said, with what we saw with Massey, you know, they can just outspend us, all day long
Speaker 40Build some bridges. We're gonna have to, you know, go reach across the aisle a little bit, maybe do a little reach around. no, kidding, kidding. But, sorry. But anyway,
Speaker 41I think
Speaker 40there's gonna be some interesting soul searching that has to happen. you know, I, I'm not, I, like I said, I, I think, if Dan Bilzerian, gets four percent of the vote, I, I think he'll be, Looking pretty good, y-you know, Pudge kind of had a weak campaign from what I'm hearing in the background, so we'll see, we'll see what happens, you know,
Speaker 40But Rome wasn't built in a day, and, you know, we need to be building for the future. We need to have a five-year plan and a ten-year plan and a twenty-year plan. You know, certainly among Catholic circles, right? There's a bunch of people that are like, "Ah, the three days of darkness are coming, and the sun's gonna go out, and everyone's gonna die. so why bother?" Right? There's a, there's a bunch of Catholics that think there's this like imminent chastisement of the earth coming.
Speaker 40The financial system is gonna collapse, and, you know, I heard that six weeks ago, so take that with a grain of salt. I mean, I just, I think that we need to be thinking long term, thinking in coalition building terms, and, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna be faced with candidates that aren't perfect. They're not gonna be perfect on all of the right issues, but, you know,
Speaker 40if, if at all possible, getting them into office, you know, it will make the next round easier, you know. So I'm a big fan of what do you call it, not integralism, incrementalism, you know? just trying to do a little bit better every, every go-around, refining the process, refining the candidates, figuring this stuff out, you know? But I think everybody definitely like You know, if you're, if you're concerned about the race for, you know, Florida was it District Six or whatever, and you don't know who your mayor and city council is, you got a problem Right? Like you've gotta figure out who your local representatives are and what's going on in your area, because there's a lot about this politics stuff and like the Israel stuff where it's, it's, it's filling this entertainment void where people are looking to politics as like a form of entertainment, and I think that's where we get a lot of the infighting from, 'cause like my podcaster's better than your podcaster. And, I, I do think that that is like unhealthy to a
Ian Malcolmcertain degree. Anyway, I've been rambling. I'm rambling. I will, no,
Ian MalcolmThe appetite for, not necessarily the coalition that you just described with the blue-haired, let's just presume, lesbian Democrat and the independent and the, and the far-right Republican, right? I'm convinced that the coalition to be built is anti-Israel and it is essentially a John F. Kennedy Democrat that is in favor of borders, against gay rights, and, and I don't even-- I don't, I shouldn't even say gay rights, but let's say the absurdity of modern- LGBTism, right? Basically, you do what you want in the privacy of your home, you won't force that on your, on our children, essentially, right? I'm convinced that that type of candidate that opposes what I don't think of as, as APAC, but rather Jewish supremacy, I think you could build a very strong coalition if people were merely aware of the fact that most of the things that the boomers, left and right, oh by the way, loathe, are largely byproducts of the same institution. It's flooding the borders and that's exporting all of the military and essentially extracting all the wealth. D-did is there, not just fifty, but is there sixty or seventy percent of the country that would get behind that message if everybody was just aware of how bad the problem was?
@joann_marieWait, hold on, hold on, David, before, before you reply, Jean wants to say goodbye and he needs to leave. We had an amazing space today, so thank you so much, Jean, for putting it together. We had so many great voices, and I learned so much. I had no idea about any of this. So go for it, Jean. And then, and then I'll go to back to you, David. Yeah.
Speaker 42Thank you. sorry, I literally have like five percent of my phone size. I just wanted to, again, thank you, Ian, You know, I wanna end it with, opportunity is given by the people who stay true to themselves no matter what other people say, just speak your mind. I think that's the most important thing I learned from this space, and I will continue to do that. I will post about my, tribute, Ian, I will post it with your blessing, thanking, all of you guys. So thank you, thank you, thank you. let's continue to be authentic.
Ian MalcolmI love that, Jin. And, and Dave, just to give you, kind of the, the, the recap, we walked through with Shadow of Ezra, Jin, and a handful of other technologists, we, we basically unpacked All the behind the scenes coding of the exalgo and how they're censoring, suppressing, all the things that we're well aware of. but Jin also, through a lot of exploration, he figured out best practices to basically get around a lot of the booby traps and the Indiana Jones-like hurdles that they put in front of us. so it was really spectacular. And Jin, shoot me a DM, let's do a space at some point in the next couple weeks on growing your audience, and we can walk through all your tips and tricks and just specifically focus on that.
Ian MalcolmBeing here, my friend. You got it, Ian, thank you. Awesome. And, and so David, just back to you, and then we'll go to Honey Badger, and we'll go back up to Joanne for kind of a-- Actually, David, if you want to do it, why don't we do this? We'll go to Honey Badger real quick, and what we'll do is then go from Honey Badger to David, and I'd, I'd love his thoughts on the idea of a future coalition and also a prayer that we can use to send off
Ian Malcolmthe
Ian MalcolmYou jump in, then we'll go to David.
Speaker 41Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's good to see David Fisher. You know, one of the quotes I actually just posted today, from Socrates, "If you want to be wrong, then follow the masses," right? So we can table that for a second. And one thing that I always keep top of mind, as, especially as my account has grown David has terrible connect- connection issues as well sometimes, just so you guys know. But, one of the things that I kept top of mind, 'cause you'll find this, and I'm sure you can attest to this sort of Ian as well, as your account grows, so do the psychos. And I, I want to say it's something like, and so if in society, if the statistics are accurate, to where, I think it's ten percent of the population Has like, you know, some-severe mental illness, okay? Like, is severe enough? Then if you consider, that would be for every hundred people that follow you, potentially ten of those people have severe mental illness, okay?
Speaker 41So, so now imagine how that percentage, how that number of people grows, the bigger your net grows, right? So, you know, if you have over a hundred thousand followers, then you're gonna have a ton of crazy people following you You, as opposed to a person who has, you know, a thousand followers, and then taking it a step further, more people are seeing what you're saying, and taking it even a step further than that, if you're going against the grain and the masses, if you're saying things people don't want to hear, if you're saying things that are causing people cognitive dissonance, if you're talking about something that, you know, has been over time, you know, just accepted, like, and is so ingrained into- The psyche and the subconscious of most people, and you're counter-signaling it, you're going to get attacked, you know? And, and that's going to-- and so, so there's a twofold thing, You're going to get a lot of response, you're gonna get a backlash, like David said, or, and or, you're also gonna get mass reported and people are gonna try, try to dox you and crap like that. So This isn't for the faint of heart, you know, and, and I guess, you know, there's, there's two thou- you know, there's two thought processes here. Do you try to fly under the radar and just post flop and like live a comfortable life and maybe make more money than a person who is, you know, putting their head on the chopping block and saying those controversial things that the rest of the world- Is not willing to stay, you know, or just doesn't understand, you know,
Speaker 41that the choice is yours. Now, I think most of the people that are still in the space are here because they crave authenticity or at least their spirit won't allow them to do anything else, right? And so that says a lot about you too, Ian, in the sort of spaces you run, 'cause your vibe attracts your tribe. Started to sound like a hippie, but, you know, it is the truth. And so- That's all I wanted to say back to you, Ian.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, wonderfully stated, and, and, and look, the, the, what you just said, this idea you attract the tribe that you're part of and the energy that you project, right? David, it goes back to that question, maybe a, a curious way to kind of wind this down, because what I'd love, if, if perhaps, you know, we've talked a lot about suppression and censorship and all these things, but one of the inevitables is that something grows out
Ian Malcolmof That to become, let's say, desperation that then fuels all kinds of race wars or whatever animus they, they have in store for us. Instead, if we're able to see the common denominator, to band together, to build that coalition, that ultimately we can kind of find a, a, a path out of this insanity. And I'm, I'm, and so I am curious, is there a coalition prospectively? I mean, the boomers are obviously locked into Fox News and CNN and all that kind of stuff, but nonetheless, they're also witnessing as the future of their grandchildren is Basically being flushed down the toilet by the same interests that have taken the prospective prosperity of the, let's say the Gen X and the millennials, right? So e-everybody's kind of arriving at the, the train station with us. It's now about putting all those people into a package that they can band together, and with the exception of the bluest of the blue-haired and perhaps the most Zionist of the Zionists, right? I, I feel like there is a commonality to be found. We just have to figure out again the package to get behind it.
Speaker 40Yeah, I mean, I think that there's a lot of people that are kind of feeling that pull. and, you know, like I said, I'm, I'm willing to try it. I'm willing to-- I'm open to working with anyone. I've always been open to working with anyone. but like, I do think that there's kind of like a distinction here in that, like, a lot of people are basically, for lack of a better word, you're looking for salvation, right? That's what you're looking for. You're looking to be fucking saved
Speaker 40And, you know, the truth of the matter is that, and this is where, you know, I, here I go, I'm a Catholic, but like the actual solution is for as many people as possible that become aware of the Jewish issue to become Catholic and find your commonality in Jesus Christ, the one who they falsely accused, put on a show trial, tortured, and murdered. Right? Because he preached good, he preached the truth. He is the truth, right? And so like actual salvation, the actual solution of this whole thing is going to be like instituting canon law, fourth Lateran Council, canons sixty, what is it, sixty-seven through seventy-one. Jews can't charge usury. Jews aren't allowed to have public office over Christians. Jews aren't allowed to own Christians as slaves. And by the way, the Catholic Church Church should retake the Holy Land. Like, when we go back to that, things will get better.
Speaker 40that aside, building some sort of political coalition to kind of put a band aid on it or to, in some way, wrestle our country's control back, I mean, like, we've gotta try that, you know? That, I, I don't think that there's any extenuating circumstance that would, you know, Say that we can't do that or that we shouldn't do that, we should obviously be doing that. So, you know,
Speaker 40seventy-- I wanna say like seventy percent of people in the country know about Israel, and I, I, I think that a, a larger majority of people agree with us. you know, I think that this is normal. Like, looking at dead children in Gaza and having it repulse you, that's normal. That is a normal reaction. It is a normal reaction when you find out that your money did that to those babies, that you would wanna say, "Hey, I don't want that happening with my money anymore." Like, that's a very normal, natural reaction. That's not extremism, it's not antisemitism, it's not anyism. It's normal. And I think that a candidate that's going to win is going to approach it from that way,
Speaker 40you know. And I also think that because we've got some-- a-and we need some more wins in the Supreme Court, but like abortion, okay? This is a state's issue at this point. So I never wanna hear a presidential campaign about abortion ever again. It's done. And I'm, I'm a staunch pro-life Whether it's in America or in Gaza, I'm pro-life, okay? And I'll fight for that tooth and nail in my home state of Idaho, where it's gonna be on the ballot in November, and we're gonna defeat it. We aren't gonna allow abortion in this state, but that's a state's rights issue, and I think that gay marriage and all of that shit, that's state's rights too.
Speaker 40so I don't wanna see a president that's on board with the gay agenda, but I also don't think that the guy running for president is going to get very far alienating all of the faggots in this country. There's a lot of 'em if you haven't, if you haven't looked. There's like a lot of fags, on, you know, both sides, whatever, and then the tranny stuff. So the, whoever this president is that we're imagining, you're not gonna get very far insulting them, right? There's also a lot of Muslims and a lot of, a lot of anti-Zionist Jews that will be all over this. So, I mean, I think that the message is going to be moderate. Whoever could possibly defeat this at like a presidential level, like, it's not gonna be a Dan Bilzerian, it's gonna be someone more like a Massey, someone that was like elected to help the fucking farmers and the landowners in his state, and then, you know, getting thrown into Congress and, holy shit, what is this Epstein thing, you know?
Speaker 40That, that's like a once in a lifetime character arc, I guess, to kind of be on. so I don't know, man. I don't know. you know, I think Hunter Biden is an interesting character too. It's interesting that he did his thing with Candace. I was remembering joking with Charles,
Ian Malcolm"Candace is talking to him out of curiosity."
Speaker 40Probably the same reason she's talking to, like, fucking Harvey Weinstein. Oh, oh, well, that's what I was
Ian Malcolmgonna comment on. I, I found
Speaker 40that equally weird, We are quickly finding ourselves to be bedfellows with people like Harvey Weinstein and Hunter Biden. Now that we're understanding the nature of what's going on. No, no, no, but like, I'm just saying, like, Harvey Weinstein produced a movie that like humanized the Palestinian side of things And that's why Me Too happened. I forget what the name of the movie was, but he produced it and put it out there and put his name on it, and all of the Zionist Jews in Hollywood whipped up Me Too against Weinstein, who, as it turns out, was the guy like standing between us and a bunch of like diversity, hire Disney characters, right? Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 40But, so you see what I'm saying, like, the, the Bidens definitely got fucked over by Jews. you can look at the whole case between Yaakov Appelbaum and, Jay Arthur Bloom, and they're fighting that out in DC right now, you know, in court. you know, but, the Israelis had some play in the dissemination of the Hunter Biden laptop, right?
Speaker 40so then, then you've got like the Monica Lewinsky, who was most likely Mossad. Right? So Bill and Hillary Clinton aren't exactly on board with the Israelis either, are they? So there's a lot of weird bedfellows, and I'm just saying that like the, the libs, the Democrats, the, the Clintons are also
Ian Malcolmdeep with the Maxwells, right?
Speaker 40Sure, sure, and, and Epstein, right? Hello, you know? but, I don't know, i-i-it's interesting. I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I mean, like most of the Democrat party is bought off by the Jews, too, you know? Like, you can look at the AIPAC tracker. It's not, it's not just the Republicans. But, you know?
Speaker 40Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, I would just, I would use the APAC tracker and look at the Senate gauge and see how bad it is. And what you, what you all should be doing, all-- how many people are in this space right now? Like, three hundred and forty-eight? Like, you should all be looking at your state legislatures. There's like thirty-six states, and I live in one, that have anti-BDS laws on the books. That stuff should be gone. We should be getting rid of that and repealing that. That's a infringement On the First Amendment, right? It, it, and it also blocks people from getting government contracts that refuse to sign it.
Speaker 40you know, so you should know who your legislators are, you should know who your mayor is, who your city council is. What church do they go to? Are they f--ing crazy Zionists that like go to Israel once a month and like hang out with Bibi Netanyahu's people, right? Like, that's worth knowing. So, you know, I would, I would just very like encourage everybody in this space to get involved at your local level and f-find, because it doesn't take long when you start looking, it doesn't take long to like find other people that are in, like, a similar page, and then you can, you know, help them. You know, take over your local GOP. Maybe take over your local Democrat party, right? Depending on where you live. Maybe you live in Bumfuck, Kansas, and you've got, you know, enough people, you could probably take over a whole Democrat central committee in the middle of nowhere, you know? And start issuing resolutions, you know? do that with the Republican party if you can, you know? I think that That's where we're gonna, because we have to build our own machine. If we want power, if we wanna control the government instead of the Epstein class, then we need to build the technology and the machine to carry us there. you know, and social media is like a big part of that, but it's also a weapon. They built it as a weapon against us to keep us from actually building shit in the real world, right? Instead, we're online fighting with each other all day. And that's very counterproductive, you know, like if you're on a Twitter space bitching about the way the country is, but you like didn't go door knock locally, like, well, there's the problem. Like, I fucking flew to Can-- wherever I was, Kentucky, to go do this for Massey, and I'm not saying that everybody had to do that, you know, it cost a couple like thousand bucks to get out there,
Speaker 40but I don't know, I'm putting my money where my mouth is because, like, I wanna be able to Evolution, as opposed to just bitching about it and causing division online. And I know I'm a little guilty of it, you know, I've gone after my fair share of people, in my time. Then I apologize for that. But yeah, I don't know, everybody should like know what's happening locally, know your mayor, city council, your legislature, and find out which ones of them are taking money from APAC, because it's all over. And it's at a granular level that I was unaware of until I moved to Idaho, and I found out just how granularly, you know, they have an APAC rep in like every single district in the United States. For every congressman, there's an APAC person, and they're like in your community doing something You know, embedding or buying people off or, you know, building their connections and their network, and meanwhile, we're like not doing anything. We don't know who these people are, and then we like, you know, bitch when Miriam Adelson dumps thirty-two million dollars into Northern Kentucky and buys a seat, you know? I mean, but, but the good news is people are starting to see it, and I just wanna stress that We aren't extreme, we aren't extremists, we are normal people with eyes and ears that are seeing what's happening around us and accurately,
Speaker 40you know, diagnosing what's happening. So, you know, anybody that wants to gaslight you, they're bad, they're bad actors, stay away from them, they're gonna drive you crazy. you know, anyway, that's, ranting again.
Ian MalcolmMy apologies. No, never, never apologize. And I, I, I mean, and look, I think there was a lot in there I'd agree with, a couple things I'd, I'd push back on, not, with any animus, right? Just a difference of opinion, but-
Speaker 40Well, and, well, All we can ever, I think, really hope for, especially with like building a political coalition, is like, if we can get to eighty percent, where we're like eighty percent of the way there, like, honest to God, that's great. I don't want everyone to agree, I want a debate, 'cause like, you know, if we get to a world, you know, where we've actually liberated America, like, okay, now what are we gonna do about property taxes? How are we gonna fix the Fed? What are we gonna replace it with? You know?
Speaker 40I'm gonna think the same way about that, you know, some people will want a gold standard, some people won't. I don't fucking know, but we'll like deal with that when we get there, you know? We shouldn't let goofy ideological nuances like prevent us from working together, you know? And I think that that does include You know, these weirdo liberals. Like, I'm not saying to go sing kumbaya with them, but make a left-wing newspaper in your town and agitate the liberals and get them to go do something for you, right? Like, take the left-wing side, amp 'em up, and, you know, hand 'em a spear and- Show 'em where to march. you figured it's beer. Just wanna be
Ian Malcolmvery clear for Mossad. I, I know they, they'd love, they'd love to think that's a, a, a kinetic
Speaker 40disavowal, disavowal.
Ian MalcolmBut, but here, here's the craziest part, right? The eighty percent, i-i-it's, it's, it's almost as simple as, you want-- I'm just gonna be offensive and flagrant with this. You want, not you personally, liberals, you want gay, blue-haired nonsense, fine. Agree to that. But how about it's gay, liberal, blue-haired nonsense that is done by people that aren't subservient to Israel? Is that-- Can we start the-- Can we all agree that if you want left-wing things and we want right-wing things, that we both just want both of those things to the benefit of America and not Israel and global Jewry? Is that reasonable? Listen, we're gonna
Speaker 40have faggots in this country. I want them to be all American faggots, okay? Yes,
Ian Malcolmyes, exactly. They, they can, they can, They can do the kumbaya homosexual stuff, but under a blanket that perhaps has the American flag instead of the Israeli one. That seems reasonable. And that's where I'm going with this is that I, I sincerely believe that it's not fifty percent, it's sixty or seventy percent of America that would be happy to support something that is going to push back on the most absurd parts of Jewish supremacy, loosely speaking, which is at fifty thousand feet, the destruction of your currency, the outsourcing of your military, the demoralization- The sterilizing of all of your sons, the whoring out of all of your daughters, the destruction of everything and anything that is religion, and the taunting and desecration of not only your history, but also your future, because we're gonna flood the borders with people that don't speak your language. I think there's sixty, seventy percent of the country, whoever they voted for, Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, whatever, that would be on board with what I just suggested.
Ian MalcolmWould, would you con- Okay, thumbs up. yes. One, okay, perfect. And, and look, that's, that's the middle ground. That's the beautiful part. There might be five or ten or maybe even twenty percent of the, the country that would sit here and actively tell you and me, David, no, I want America to go to hell so Israel can prosper. That might exist. And there might be super LGBT crazy people and those that have rationalize that open borders forever is patriotic, that would object to what we just suggested, but I think the lion's share of the country would be with us. I think if we could agree that we're gonna disagree on lots of things, but the primary thing we agree on is no more being slaves to Israel, that we can all move forward productively down that path, right? And, and so that's the thing that I think is beautiful.
Speaker 43By the way, did you see the, the Libertarian Party had their, their big conference this weekend, their, their general meeting
Ian MalcolmOh gosh, what, what came out of it?
Speaker 43Well, you know, libertarians being libertarian, but, they've got a new chairman, and from what I understand, he's like, not the best, at all. Is he Jewish? I, I, I could be wrong. I didn't look. Probably. I don't know, I didn't look. He's,
Speaker 44he's definitely a gay activist, and Dan Smoot posted about it.
Ian Malcolmif I, if I had my spider senses, would look at the early life section. But, but that's, that's the craziest part is that I don't know if that's the case or not, who knows. but nonetheless, all of these things are being led by this singular force. It's got to end, this has to stop, people have to stop being ashamed to say that doesn't make any sense. And, and David, to, to the comment that you made, isn't it wild that the, the terrorists according to the people- People in Washington are those that actually stand with patriotic visions, and essentially, patriotism is now enslavement of your people, and terrorism is the objection to your neighbors being enslaved for a foreign empire. That's basically where we are.
Speaker 43Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's, very Orwellian, you know? But like, you know, when you start to study different things, you start to study like different revolutions, for example, like the French Revolution was one of the first ones that I like really studied, and you look at both sides, and it's, you know, I don't know, every single time. Yeah, it, it's pretty stark and every time, and it's like, huh? Whoa! Don't you know?
Speaker 43but yeah, I don't know where I was going with that. But, but the, the--
Ian MalcolmI, I do think the internet kind of breaks it because the, this is one of those things, right? i-it's, as an example, we're in the stadium and it's the professional wrestling. And everybody looks around, they cheer for Hulk Hogan versus the Macho Man, and the country's been going back and forth cheering for a different wrestler that comes out of the aisle. They think they're gonna get a different outcome. All of us just need to say, "We're done supporting wrestling," because the entire thing is basically theater. All of the Democrats, all of the Republicans, they're all owned. All of it's gotta end. And I'm not saying that with, with violence. I'm saying we need to merely suggest, "We're done supporting the entire operation." Right? We want What I would do is
Speaker 43vote in your primaries and don't vote in the general election, right? That's like one way to do it. Like if you're gonna, like, well, first of all, like, if you only voted in any election, you should vote in the primary, because that's what matters usually. Like in Idaho, the Republican primary is all that matters, 'cause whichever Republican wins, they're gonna win the whole state. That's just the way that it is. So, like, you need to be getting involved in your primaries.
Speaker 43that matters more than the election for president every four years, and it matters more even than the general election, because, you know, typically, that's not that big of a fight. I mean, I guess there's some toss-up areas or whatever, but that's just my two cents on it, because like if people just stop voting Then, you know, there's natural decay to that anyway, but if all of a sudden people start showing up and voting in primaries and then leaving the federal offices blank when you like don't agree with that person,
Speaker 43that creates a statistical anomaly where, where you'll see certain candidates, you know, gaining more votes And then one with like a bunch of missing votes, you see what I mean? And so that will actually signal discontent with the, the candidate that's running, whereas if you just stop voting and stop caring then you'll just be chalked up as apathetic, and you see what I'm saying? Like, the discourse will move on, and you'll get left behind if that makes some sense. So, I don't know, just
Ian Malcolmmy- No, it does. And ap- apathy is, that isn't going to fix the problem, right? We need to- We need to be vocal, we need to get out, we need to, like you were saying, we need to be methodical and intelligent and do that which is actually going to You know, it, it, we won't solve this just by talking on the internet forever and ever. There, there's something that needs to come out of this, and, and I don't know exactly what that's going to be. I've got aspirations or suggestions that I would hope come to fruition, but, we will have to see how this plays out. For the time being, we're doing a very good job of bringing awareness and attention to these issues, and I know that because it was probably two or three years ago, David, you and I were some of the few
Ian MalcolmTopics whatsoever, right? Now there's, a growing body of individuals, and I find myself being asked by a lot of people that I used to hint about these subjects like five to ten years ago, and they're like, "Remember when you said..." and, and so those conversations are brewing, right? And, and so, we will continue doing what we can. Speaking of which, we've got lots and lots of conversations lined up for the rest of this week, just to call some of them out really quickly. tomorrow we are going to be having one that I Is going to be a little contentious, so if you aren't in for the drama, it might not be your cup of tea. and I say that because we are going to be having a conversation around what we're comedically calling race war. reason being Rabbi Malious and, Amiru wanna discuss the genetics of the Aryan people. as Rabbi Malious has a thesis that essentially they, they possess a unique gift when it comes to creativity and thinking outside the box we will see what comes from that. They both are supposed to come to the table with some teams, so it'll basically be two or three people from each of those positions debating and arguing back and forth. We are going to follow that up with another racial conversation on Wednesday, but this one's gonna be with Andre Williams. Really respect the content that he's been putting out. Very astute, very intelligent black man who's basically trying to just be honest about what's going on in that community and how to make it better, which is certainly a wonderful thing that everybody should aspire to. So excited to speak with him. We've also got conversations coming up later in the week with John Casey, who's running District Seven in Missouri. We're then gonna be talking with Kentucky Senate contender Mike Ferris on the third of June, and on the first of June, we're gonna be discussing, little note, this was new to me, Dave, we're gonna be discussing the connection between the Maxwells and the Rothschilds, which I was aware of some of these pieces, but there's a whole- Whole different can of worms in terms of how the money was moving around that is, is relatively new to me. So we'll be going through all of that. I look forward to discussing it with all of you. I hope that the conversation was of interest for those that didn't hear the earlier part, of course, as always, these are recorded. And so I just wanna wish everybody two thing, well, two things, three things, let's say. First, Truth Teller is currently holding another space on Iran, all the things going on in the geopolitical front. Really recommend anybody and everybody move
Ian MalcolmAnd number two, I wanna wish everybody, wherever you are in the world, a good morning, good evening, good afternoon, certainly a good day, to wish you God bless on everything that you are, God speed on everything that we are doing. We will certainly continue these conversations going forward, and in doing so, as a last little comment, there were lots of people that we had the pleasure of hearing from on this panel. Joanne, we had Shadow of Ezra, those of all colors, walks of life, shapes, sizes of accounts, et cetera, and I just wanna thank all of them I wanna thank all of you for listening, support anybody and everybody that's putting out the good. Doesn't matter how big their account is, doesn't matter how it might benefit you, if you're benefiting the world, it'll come full circle, and if we all do that, we'll make the world a much better place for all of us. So Godspeed and God bless to all of you. Look forward to that conversation tomorrow. It'll be a fiery one, and in the interim, I'll see you in Mr. Truthstar's room.