Held here entire — 1,002 passages across 32 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00quiet, reflectiveIntroduction: The Way It IsIan Malcolm introduces the Space, explaining a last-minute guest change led to Rabbi [guest] discussing karma.
- 13:41guarded, evenMalcolm's Platform & AI ToolsIan Malcolm highlights Allegedly Dank's work in archiving Spaces and creating AI-generated content snippets.
- 19:09warm, expansiveJoAnn's Enthusiasm & Topic IntroJoAnn Marie expresses excitement for the topic and the hosts, setting the stage for the discussion.
- 22:19grave, forebodingKarma: Debts vs. SinsRabbi [guest] delves into the Latin roots of 'sin' as 'debt' in the Lord's Prayer, linking it to the concept of karma.
- 32:20heated, combativeKarma Comelioration & EvilThe discussion shifts to how powerful individuals use 'karma comelioration' to avoid consequences for their evil actions.
- 41:48bleak, drainedChurch Experiences & CultsA speaker shares their struggle to find a non-cultish church, sparking a debate on modern religious institutions.
- 47:24raw, woundedElite Karma LaunderingRabbi [guest] explains how elites manipulate others to commit 'sins' for them, thereby laundering their own karma.
- 55:20cool, analyticalCOVID Mandates & CoercionMoneypenny and Rabbi [guest] discuss how COVID mandates were enforced through indirect coercion, shifting karmic responsibility.
- 1:03:11warm, expansiveKarma's Efficacy & Free WillThe panel debates whether karma truly works and if free will allows individuals to bypass its consequences.
- 1:16:35worn, nostalgicOld vs. New TestamentA speaker asks Rabbi [guest] to reconcile the Old and New Testaments, leading to a discussion on scriptural interpretation.
- 1:25:58dimmed, waryTextual Authority in ReligionThe conversation touches on the credibility of religious texts as foundations for belief systems, comparing Christian and Islamic views.
- 1:37:09charged, alertInfluencers & Moral InversionTim Lordan discusses how influencers and rock stars are used to promote certain ideologies, leading to moral inversion.
- 1:40:10urgent, incendiaryMusic Industry's Karmic ManipulationRabbi [guest] details how the music industry promotes certain artists to push specific messages, avoiding direct karmic responsibility.
- 1:45:19hard, unyieldingKarma's Definition & EvasionDavid Nietzsche challenges the idea that karma can be evaded through indirect action, emphasizing conscious volition.
- 1:55:00sombre, searchingPsychopathy & HappinessThe discussion explores whether psychopaths can truly experience happiness, or if their state of mind is a form of karmic punishment.
- 2:11:00grim, scorchedWillful Ignorance & KarmaThe panel debates the karmic implications of willful ignorance versus direct action in committing harmful deeds.
- 2:21:08grave, forebodingIntent vs. Act in KarmaJoAnn and David Nietzsche discuss the role of intention in karma, contrasting it with the idea that only the act itself incurs karma.
- 2:30:40conflicted, dividedKarma & ReincarnationMichael Rectenwald and Rabbi [guest] explore the link between karma and reincarnation, suggesting it's necessary for karmic balance.
- 2:43:20unsettlingSatanic Programming & KarmaAngry Empathy discusses how children raised in satanic systems may not escape karma, despite their programming.
- 2:52:00disillusionedConsent & Karma AvoidanceBrian Victor and Jordan Aleksandr discuss the elite's strategy of manufacturing consent to avoid karmic consequences.
- 3:03:40tentative, hopefulIntuition & Moral ChoicesTim Lordan asks about the role of intuition in moral decision-making and its relation to karma.
- 3:12:00eerie, electricIntuition: Pre- & Post-ConceptualDavid Nietzsche explains two states of intuition, linking them to virtue and the pursuit of happiness.
- 3:23:00weathered, resignedChildren as InheritanceJordan Aleksandr introduces the idea of children as our greatest inheritance, sparking a lively debate on its meaning.
- 3:42:00murky, uneasySocietal Failure & IndulgenceRabbi [guest] argues that societal indulgence of children is creating psychopaths, leading to the destruction of America.
- 3:47:30smouldering, restlessCulture of Hedonism & SSRIsIan Malcolm connects the culture of hedonism and the seven deadly sins to the rise of SSRIs and drug use as coping mechanisms.
- 3:53:20warm, expansiveCritique as a WeaponRabbi [guest] discusses how critique is used as a weapon against nations, and how it's suppressed when turned on certain groups.
- 4:01:00worn, nostalgicChildren, Reality & MoralsDavid Nietzsche emphasizes teaching children reality and morals to foster long-term happiness, contrasting it with current societal trends.
- 4:08:33melancholy, tenderTony's Worldview & MathTony shares his worldview, leading to a humorous exchange about his inability to do basic math and his 'world' of drug dealing.
- 4:18:20dry, matter-of-factInheritance of ResponsibilityAlan Nolan offers a different perspective on children as an inheritance, focusing on the responsibility parents receive.
- 4:26:40hard-wonFathers' Role in Child DevelopmentRabbi [guest] stresses the crucial role of fathers in teaching children to navigate objective reality, contrasting it with mothers' focus on social navigation.
- 4:33:20grave, forebodingCollective Consciousness & RealityRob discusses quantum entanglement and the observer effect, suggesting collective consciousness shapes our reality.
- 4:46:40warm, expansiveClosing Remarks & Future SpacesIan Malcolm and Rabbi [guest] offer closing thoughts, thanking everyone and promoting upcoming Spaces.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmI see no changes. All I see is racist faces, I think is the beginning of that song. Tupac's Changes, yes. That was not Tupac.
@joann_marieI know, I know, but I don't know who the original person is. Rabbi, do you know?
Ian MalcolmWell, let's see. We'll go to Mr. Rabbi [guest], and then we'll introduce kind of a little bit of what we're going to be doing here today. And so with that, Mr. [guest], are you able to name that tune?
@malleusigThe way it is?
Ian MalcolmThat's just the way it is!
@malleusigBruce Hornsby and the Range?
Ian MalcolmThere it is, Bruce Hornsby and the Range, and the one and only legendary Mr. Rabbi [guest] coming in, naming that tune, naming that artist, and what better way to kick off this space, which is... And the reason I picked that one, that's just the way it is. Folks, sometimes you get a curveball, you get a change up. And in this case, you get a guest who has had the flu.
Ian MalcolmAnd due to our guest speaker that was feeling drastically under the weather, we had to have a pivot. And I'm actually very excited because we reached out midday and we were able to borrows some time from the legendary man, the myth, the legendary Mr. Rabbi [guest], which is perfect because we had this space scheduled with Rabbi and then we were able to broker some time with Austin Franco that turned into one of kind of the more special spaces I think that we've been able to do, both because obviously
Ian MalcolmA little bit of, I don't want to use the term celebrity, but right now, certainly in the media, in the press, because of everything that he went through, when he merely stated, you know, I just had bad experiences and I don't want to work with a Jew. And then the Jews did exactly what we might expect and perhaps what Austin Franco was concerned of and drug, drag, drug.
Ian MalcolmYeah, there you go. Drug his name through the mud. He drug him through the mud. Isn't that a tongue twister? And so as a result of Austin having a little bit of a window and a specific date that he was able to join us, Rabbi had very generously and graciously said, yeah, let's do a mixed space. So we brought a little of those two ideas together.
Ian MalcolmBut given that we really didn't get to dive into this specific topic that Rabbi had spent a lot of time preparing, we thought this is fantastic. He's able to join us. So we are going to repurpose the title. We're going to repurpose the space. And to that song, sometimes that's just the way it is. And in this case, it worked out exactly as everything could have intended, right?
Ian MalcolmSo we're going to be able to have this wonderful conversation with the one and only the legendary Rabbi [guest], who I see some folks still out there in the Twitter sphere. Concerned that [guest] here with his, let's call it a sarcastic wit, it's funny because they will utilize some of his sarcasm as sincerity, they will then take that sincerity and they will horrifically clutch their pearls and say, oh no, a Jew is saying these awful things, which is pretty funny given, of course, all of the content that we're aware that Rabbi puts out, the positions that he holds, and the fact that he is...
Ian MalcolmWell, we won't let the secret out. He might not be a thing that he may say, right? And so without further ado, again, I'm very humbled. How dare you? How dare I? I'm releasing the secrets. We're releasing the secrets. We're going to release the cracking of information.
@malleusigHow dare you say I'm not a rabbi?
Ian MalcolmWell, and some of the others say they are. When they aren't, and some of the ones that aren't say they are, it's all very backwards.
@malleusigI sent in a $1.25 in return postage, just like Rabbi Shmuley, and I got the same Dakota ring. I'm a rabbi. Do you have your pocket gold? Got my pockets right. I got my little pocket gold. Got this little sack of gold around my neck in case I need to ransom my way out of a country. Yep, all set.
Ian MalcolmHe's got the pocket decoder. He's got his Captain Planet t-shirt. And the best news is he's also got his garlic in the event that he comes across the vampire and or the actual other demonic rabbis. So he's a man of many mysteries. And I'm very excited for this one. For anybody that did not hear the prior space that we did a while back with Rabbi, it was on this idea of the various stages of morality.
Ian MalcolmOne of the most curious things, Rabbi [guest], The Kohlberg scale you talked about. I found myself randomly with an individual talking about things entirely outside of the JQO sphere and they started talking about the Kohlberg scale. I was like, wow, my JQ enablement finds its way into these other conversations. And so I just suggest that because when it comes to content on this platform,
Ian MalcolmThat is incredibly not only valuable and also interesting but relevant for all kinds of things. Few deliver it the way that Mr. [guest] does. As a result, always humbled to have him with us. I'm humbled for all of you to be here. I see lots of wonderful accounts. The one and only, always got to call this out, the legendary Mr.
Ian MalcolmAllegedly Dank himself down there in the listener panel who is taking all these conversations, moving them on, and JoAnn, you'll find this funny. Not only are they now on Apple Podcasts, Rumble, and Spotify, but they are on the website that like Voldemort himself may not be written or spoken here on X. If I try to type in, I know JoAnn has the same.
Ian MalcolmI've heard from some other people. If we try to type in www.IanMalcolm84.com, nope. Sorry, you can't post that. It gives you the same blurb as if you don't have reception, which is really kind of curious. So they silenced it. But the best part, JoAnn, is if you just ask rock. You say, hey, Grock, where can I find spaces from Ian Malcolm on other platforms?
Ian MalcolmThen Grock will answer the question and tell you the website that we're not allowed to type out, which is kind of funny. So I want to give him a big shout out, though, Mr. Allegedly Dank. He also, I will put one up into the nest, would love it if people could give a little follow, a little support, whatever you might be able to on the Malcolm Spaces X handle that he made.
Ian MalcolmIt is, and this is wild. Not only is allegedly dank and all of his superhero superpowers of the AI, not only is it taking all the content and moving it off this platform into the safe keepings of that website and those other platforms, but he also now has a handle that scours through each of the spaces. It will do it for this very one.
Ian MalcolmAt the end, it looks for things that might be relevant or compelling or interesting. It makes a short little AI blurb that's maybe 30, 45, 60 seconds. It then puts a post with video. on to the timeline with the audio with the link to the full space on x right so an incredible way that we're then able to get some of this content out with those little sound bites maybe get a couple new eyes and ears so i want to give him an immense amount of love as well as i see now discerning down there godfroy so many other wonderful people humbled to have you guys all with us for this ride and without further ado that's just the way it is miss joanne before we turn it over to the rabbi
Ian MalcolmAny additional thoughts, comments, questions, concerns?
@joann_marieNo, hey and thank you so much for hosting and Rabbi for co-hosting and everybody for being here and yeah guys please repost this space and if you guys go to it i will also repost it and bookmark it it helps so much with the algorithm and no you you guys are two of my favorite people we just need David and truth so that i have like all my infinity stones together so no i'm i love it here so thank you so much and i'm really excited about this topic i i kept asking Rabbi about it so
@joann_marieHow are you, Rabbi?
@malleusigI'm great, thanks for asking. I feel like Big Gay Al from South Park. I was just thinking that. I'm super, thanks for asking.
Ian MalcolmWell, you are the Rabbi, so maybe, you know, odds are high.
@malleusigWe're not known for going after male adults. We'll just leave it there.
Ian MalcolmThat's dark humor right there. I apologize for laughing. We obviously don't find it funny that that is actually the truth, but is it a funny quip? Yes, yes.
@malleusigAnd this is a chance for me to shout out to our friend Uber Negro, who has been a very eager participant in the dark humor challenge going on over the past couple of days. If you want some truly dark humor, which I will not repeat here, I recommend you follow his account and check his recent posts. I'm not going to say they were good jokes, but I will say that I'm probably going to hell for laughing at some of them.
Ian MalcolmYou might find some rabbis that would be excited to be there, is the concerning part. You might.
@malleusigYou might. No, actually, that was the first country they were kicked out of, so I don't think they're allowed back.
@malleusigBut anyway, so JoAnn, maybe a good format for us to take would be a dialogue between you and me, all right? Because you were the one that first said, hey, tell me about this thing. So I'll start it out by saying, are you familiar with the phrase in Latin, dimite nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimitimus debitoribus nostris?
@joann_marieI took Latin when I was in England, but I don't remember it that well. What does it mean, Rabbi? A couple of words, yes, but not all of the sentence.
@malleusigPeople should know what this means. I won't give any hints just now, but people should know what this means. If you know what this means, raise your hand, even if you can't speak.
Ian MalcolmAnd feel free to put it into the purple pill if you would like to. Here's pop quiz for Mr. Rabbi [guest].
@joann_marieI love these interactive spaces.
@malleusigIt's so fun. This is actually kind of sad. I think that more people should know this. This is the line from the Lord's Prayer. It says, Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us or trespass against us. In English, it's usually translated figures at trespasses. We forget those trespass against us. In the Latin, however, uses the word debita and debitoribus.
@malleusigDoes anyone want to guess what that word means?
Speaker 1That's like something like latke on taxi. That show would say debita.
@malleusigSure.
Speaker 1Sure. But I'm not sure. I have no I have no clue, but it is interesting where you go in here. I like it.
@malleusigSure. Debita is where we get the English word debts from, D-E-B-T, debit, and debit, right? Debita. This is the word in Latin that was the direct translation from the original Aramaic, whatever, or Greek, whatever Jesus was speaking when he said it. This is the word for sins. This is what is usually translated as sins in the Catholic religion.
@malleusigTrespasses, yeah? Trespasses, yes. But they use it In other prayers, it is what the word sins comes from. And so our Christian concept of sin was actually spoken of by Jesus himself as debts. In this way, we can know that Jesus and the other Christians, they talked about sin in a way that was much closer to the way that we talk about karma today.
@malleusigDebete Nostra means our debts, right? The concept was to the early Christians very different from the concept of sin that's made it to us in later centuries. Sin that we have now is a concept where it's you've done something wrong and God puts a mark against you and you can only get, you know, get rid of that mark.
@joann_marieSo you need to kind of like pay it back.
@malleusigWell, yeah, because that's the idea of a debt, right? And that's also the idea of karma. But the idea of a sin is something that you can only really get rid of. It's a market you get rid of by going to confession or relying on God's infinite mercy to forgive it. You know, in some belief systems in the Christian church, there's no way to pay it back.
@malleusigYou simply have to wait and find out if God is going to forgive you at the end. But. Jesus himself and the apostles talked about it as debts and this is most obvious in the part of the part of the new testament when the apostles asked if the blind man had been born blind due to his own sin or that of his parents this is what they meant is because and this is one of the things that always confused me as a child how can a man be born blind due to his own sins you know um
@joann_marieBut I like this version better because you need to make it better. You know, you need to, whatever you wrong, you need to like.
Speaker 2Exactly, exactly. Rabbi, if I can ask you, when you say sin, do you mean debt rather? Are we in debt until our sins are not overcome but are addressed? Is that where that's going?
@malleusigWhat I'm saying is this is what Jesus said. Yes. You incur, when you sin against someone else, you incur a debt and that debt has to be paid back or forgiven, right? Because a lot of Jesus' ministry was about the forgiveness of debts, the forgiveness of sins, right? That was when he, like he said to the blind man, he said, you know, your debts have been forgiven, go and sin no more.
@malleusigWhat he was saying is, you know, whatever it was that you've done to merit being blind,
@malleusigI'm wiping that from your ledger. It's no longer, or God has wiped it from your ledger, right? It's no longer there. Your debts have been forgiven. And this is why, I think part of this is due to the reality of the phenomenon, but also part of it is that debts were a very, very important part of Hebrew society at the time.
@malleusigThis whole money lending thing was still, I think, for them, a much newer technology than it is today for us. And I think a lot of them were involved in it, and so culturally it was very significant. And for him to frame sins as debts made it much more understandable to the average Hebrew, and made the concept much more approachable.
@malleusigbut yeah so it's like basically when when you you have that you have jesus's apostles asking you know teacher did this person was this man born blind because of his own sins what they're implying is that it's possible to commit sins before you were born um and that's where we get into um the idea of the eastern idea of karma and past lives which is not as alien to christianity as most people think
@malleusigSo this lays the groundwork for this conversation. And the conversation is more along the lines of, is karma real? Do the more powerful people in our society believe that it's real? I'll posit that they do. And how would you expect someone to ask if they did believe it was real? And this is where we get into the idea of karma commelioration.
@malleusigbecause one of the archetypes we have set up in our culture and I would say it's been set up unnaturally because it's been set up not due to cultural consensus but due to the creation of media that was created specifically to push a certain kind of concept is this idea of the mustache twirling, caped, All right. And
@malleusigWhat this does is it kind of replaces real evil in our minds and it makes it harder for us to identify it. Real evil doesn't look like the man twirling his mustache tying the young woman to the railroad tracks. It doesn't look like that. Real evil is good at what it does. And one of the things that you have to be good at to be successfully evil is avoiding the consequences of karma.
@malleusigAnd this is where I'll start off the conversation, I think. And JoAnn, you can jump in and stop me if you have any questions at any time. And also, I'd like to welcome David Nietzsche. If you have any questions, also please jump anytime you want. Ehsan, I see you have a hand up. Let's jump to you before we keep going.
Ian MalcolmBefore we go to Ihsan, I just wanted to say, I'm going to be very curious, Rabbi, for your thoughts, and David's on this, because what you're doing is approaching some things that are kind of taught in an elementary fashion, I think, to those of religion. Instead, you're going back to the roots and the origins of some of these ideas and concepts.
Ian MalcolmDavid Nietzsche 2310
@malleusigIt's been like a hit or a miss. I feel like the more I'm there, I feel like it's almost like a cult. And I feel bad even saying it because it's been a big thing in my life and I've always wanted to be a part of a church and the community that you get out of it. But lately, I just get the feeling like it feels very cultish to me.
@malleusigI don't know what's happening. Maybe it's me. You know, I feel like that. But also, I wanted to say, if you're in Florida, you need to vote. Tomorrow's voting day. Tomorrow's August 18th. It's the primaries. You need to go vote. If you ask for my recommendations, I'm recommending Dan Bilzerian, James Fishback, and Matt the Welder for tomorrow's ballot.
@malleusigPlease go out and vote. Get your friends to vote. Make a group chat. And, you know, go out there and vote because tomorrow's the day. And that's pretty much it. It doesn't matter what your feelings are about... Any of those people's in terms of their history of being Congress or you know whatever it's like it's not about that it's a protest vote it's about getting ready to find the fuck out uh right exactly yeah i love you guys if you guys need if anybody's in spring hill or tampa they need a ride i will more than gladly happily give you a ride and uh just reach out to me i'll take the you know dad bus and pick you up and bring you to the voting booth
@malleusigLet's go! That's really cool. I'll even buy you ice cream. My goodness.
@joann_marieBut actually... And, and... Ian makes really cool spaces on Sundays, sometimes in the morning, and they are about the sermons from church, and they are really cool. So maybe you could check them out.
@malleusigMaybe I will try that next, you know? I grew up in a church in Boca, where I lived, and then when I moved to like Tampa... I've been struggling to find a home base and it's kind of getting to me. I feel like every time I don't know, it's just it's just not the same. It doesn't feel like home to me. And I feel like it's very cultish.
@malleusigLike today, I just felt was like, why am I here? Like, what am I doing? You know?
@joann_marieI am sorry. Go to another one. Maybe maybe you'll find a better one.
@malleusigYeah, I'm hoping so. I've been through the same process. I was very I was homeless for a long time after moving to New City. and could not find a church. I went to evangelical churches. I felt like I was in the moonies. People just kind of like sing completely new, made up songs to each other all the time. And it's like being in a spirit.
@malleusigIt's like being in a Christian preschool for adults, honestly, is how it felt to me. I joined an Episcopalian church and they spent their entire time talking about how
@malleusigThe language is confusing or alien to you. I mean, hell, I would go to a Russian Orthodox Church before I go back to an Angelical or Episcopalian one. But it's probably closer to the actual Christianity, even if you don't think it's completely on the nose, it's still closer. And so I'd recommend that.
@joann_marieI need to like vibe with the priests right because like here I just don't vibe with them like I've been to churches in America and they are crazy they are like a concert and they're like not as a church it's really weird but here are like super boring like super super boring like I'm not expecting a concert or anything like that at all but I'm just not vibing with them so that's why I love our spaces
@malleusigI don't recommend any church that requires you to bring your own snakes. See if you can find something that matches you.
@malleusigand then just go with that. I'm not going to tell you what to choose. He was a bit scary too, like he was talking in tongues. You know, I was so turned off by it. I'm like, I can never bring my kids here, you know? Yeah. But anyway, so basically, where were we getting at before we did that?
@joann_marieHow about karma?
@malleusigKarma, that was it, yeah. So if you look at the words of Jesus, you find that Jesus' idea of sin was very close to what we call karma. and people the people that take people and and evil people take religion very seriously they take it spirituality very seriously um they seem to believe this and um so the reason why is because if you look at if you look at um what they get up to there is a pattern and joanne feel free and also michael welcome up feel free to jump in anytime if you want to um if you if you look at the patterns and what they do
@malleusigThere is a pattern to that and let's kind of go into it now. So what is the one what is the thing that when you join and I know JoAnn I don't know how how if you have any experience with this but when you join these like kind of satanic groups like Luciferians or Illuminati or you know what used to call the Sabbatean Frankists right what's the first thing they like teach you?
@malleusigI have no idea.
@malleusigIt was his kind of like big development was that no no no the everything in bible is actually a code it's inverted and there's no such thing as sin what you have to do is all the things that they tell you not to do in the bible actually things you should do and this is how you become a god right um and that was his groundwork and that's what he laid down and all these things are based on it and um what it looks like is that this is done for a reason
@malleusigis because the people that are at the top of these pyramids, they know that karma is real. They know that sinning is real. And they don't want that. They don't want that smoke for themselves. But they want the benefits that come out of sinning. So if you want the benefit, for example, if you want a country, right, and you know that taking the country requires you to kill the people that are there now, but you don't want to incur the karma for killing a million people,
@malleusigWhat do you do?
@joann_marieYou make someone else to do it.
@malleusigYou get someone else to do it. And you teach them that there's no such thing as karma and they won't be held accountable for it. Go have fun. Go rape, pillage, steal, murder as much as you want. And then I'll just take the deed to the land when you're done. Right. And in that way, you get around all this. You get around all this karma.
@malleusigSo you basically you get, you know, what the What they refer to as like the less wise to do your work for you because they don't understand the consequences of their actions. They don't understand that sin is real and they will be called...
@joann_marieBut isn't it like in occultism and in all of these... The intention behind it is what gives it the power. So if you're telling someone, like, go kill these people, you know, or like, even if you tell them, like, you already have the intention. So you are like already getting the karma from it. Or at least in occultism, I think that's how it is.
@joann_marieBecause you need an intention. You have like a strong intention.
@malleusigAnd that's true. But do they do that? I don't think they do that. I mean, if you watch, have you seen, did you watch the TV show Fargo?
Speaker 3No.
@malleusigOkay. Did you watch The Sopranos?
@joann_marieStop, stop. This isn't medicine. No.
@malleusigOkay. This is right. You don't watch TV. So basically, but a lot of people have watched mafia movies, right? And what we see in those, and I'm guessing a lot of that is, I mean, a lot of that is fiction, but some of it is not. And I'm going to guess that a lot of this is actually similar to the actual mafia. When the mob boss wants somebody dead, what do they do?
@malleusigWas it Luciano that had the famous quote or Capone that had the famous quote? Never write anything down you don't want read back to you in court, right? I think the same thing goes for speech and karma. What they do is they don't say, okay, you kill this person. Why? Because that's evidence now.
@malleusigAnd I'm going to incur this guy's favor by taking care of that problem for him. So what's happened? That person has effectively now laundered the crime karmically. He never said with intent, go and kill that person. He never said, I'm going to give you a million dollars if you kill that person. Never said it. But what he can do is he can voice his general dislike for this person
@malleusigand then wait to see who takes it upon themselves to knock him off and then after the fact give him a million dollars for no particular reason and what happens when you when you do that once is that everyone else takes a they take a note from that they take a lesson from it and they say oh okay all right wait a minute that's how it works so if this guy says that he doesn't like somebody and i kill them
@malleusigI'm going to be rewarded and what's happened that person is now inverted cause and effect you know for his own karmic reasons and he now he's completely free of any consequences for the action he didn't kill anyone he didn't tell anyone to kill anyone he simply gave the person that happened to kill that other to kill that person that he didn't like anyway a couple million dollars a million dollars because hey well he's a nice guy right
@malleusigthis is the kind of dynamic that these people work under they work under a dynamic where their goal is to get what they want but they have to do it in a way that doesn't rebound on them right and a good example this was covet i was thinking about this all because i knew about this a long time ago i was thinking about this all throughout covet and i see moneypenny in
@malleusigShe may have something to speak about this because she was she was big on the COVID thing.
@malleusigYou'll notice when our politicians went on TV, they never said, you have to take the job. They never said, hey, you take the job or we're going to put you in jail. They never said, take the job or we're going to charge you with a crime. They never did that. Right. They didn't even say. They never even enforced the deadlines they put for us.
@malleusigYou notice that? They would put a deadline set by September 30th, according to OSHA, everyone has to be vaccinated. And then when September 25th rolls around, they'd kind of push it back another month, and then another month, and another month. Because they knew, this is not necessarily karmic, they knew that this is unconstitutional and would never survive a challenge in the Supreme Court.
@malleusigBut this is also karmic in a way too, because What they did was leave it to the less wise people that were running our companies, that were our doctors, to do the real work in pressuring us to take the vaccine. And in that way, like you had doctors that said, if you don't take the vaccine, I won't be a doctor anymore. You're not allowed in my practice again.
@malleusigIf you don't take the vaccine, you're not going to be allowed to work here. If you don't take the vaccine, you can't go on this trip, yada, yada, yada, right? and the colleges. The college was like, if you don't take the vaccine, you can't come back to school. That was a huge reason for a lot of people, I think. Asking college-age kids to give up being with their friends and being on campus is a huge coercion and highly effective too.
@malleusigSo all those people that use direct coercion now, they take on any karmic load for forcing people to take www.Facebook.com
@malleusigThe colleges, et cetera, et cetera. And this is emblematic of how this process works. Let me just open to Moneypenny, say hi to Moneypenny, say how you're doing, because this is a good chance for you if you have any input on the COVID thing, especially.
@malleusigYeah. Hi. Hi, guys. Sorry. Well, the COVID analogy is bloody spot on. Absolutely spot on. But think also of the political power coercion which we've seen so much with Trump and particularly today. We've seen it in the British media today. Obviously we've got a new prime minister who has been coerced, pushed for political ringing of bells and hugging up to Trump.
@malleusigAnd Trump was very, very... I'm so sorry, but my finger slipped.
@malleusigI don't know how much you heard, but yeah, we've been, you know, coerced, pushed, persuaded by, you know, the political dominance and the need to rub up to Trump's inner thighs to open the North Sea oil thing, which Trump took all full accolade for today on the media, was played all over the British press, which he doesn't put any mandate down.
@malleusigHe didn't say we had to do it. But the new Prime Minister came in and had to win back favour with Trump. It was bloody obvious he had to open North Sea Oil. And suddenly Trump is able to take all the glory for it and is putting out statements that are on the front page of our papers tomorrow morning. Britain will be rich again.
@malleusigThe UK will be rich again. But yeah, I mean, there's so much influence that came from the States to the UK on COVID. Even though, you know, the vaccines, gene therapies that were issued by the States were actually quite different to what we were using. We were AstraZeneca, and you guys were leading with Pfizer and Moderna and stuff.
@malleusigBut none of the mandate dates, that's what I loved in what, I don't, sorry, I don't know who you are, Rabbi, but none of the dates were ever mandated. They were nurses, doctors, NHS people who were told they had three days to go before they effectively lost their career. They were never enforced. It never happened. They were creepy withdrawals.
@malleusigYou're absolutely spot on there. I love what you were saying. Thank you very much for letting me speak. Matt, thank you for coming up. I've heard you speak a lot on this, and you know quite a bit more than I do on it, so this is excellent to hear you. So that's essentially what we're dealing with. This is the general idea.
@malleusigEssentially, you have these people at the top who let the kind of like the mid-level you know satanists or evil let's call it mid-level evil they let the mid-level evil do all of the dirty work for them and effectively all of the crimes are laundered before it touches their hands this is very similar to say for example you have a corporation that owns a subcompany and a child company and the child company subcontracts out
@malleusigand by the time the profits make it up to the top, they've been laundered through four, five, six layers of plausible deniability. And this is essentially what these people are doing.
@malleusigI have to quickly mention Operation Gladio. There was a wonderful woman called Colonel Tower. She's brilliant. And the whole Gladio thing is a brilliant analogy of this across so many different parts of our history, your history. But yeah, that absolutely smacks of what you are talking about. Yeah, that's an excellent analogy.
@malleusigThis is going to be something that I've heard recently.
@joann_marieBut do you think that in the loss of the universe or God or whatever, does it actually work or that's just their mental gymnastics to try to get away from the guilt of it?
@malleusigNo, I think it actually works, to be quite honest. I do think it works. Yeah, I do. I think there is an end to the negative path. And it's earlier than they think, but I don't think that I don't think this is an ineffective method. I think that it's obviously extremely negative. But karma is a very legalistic thing. And I do think God has allowed a space for free will.
@malleusigAnd part of that free will involves allowing even the most evil people to progress.
@malleusigMaybe I can leave it because we're beginning to get really abstract when I talk about this. I might start to get to sound weird, but I do think it works. I do think it works. However, it only works as long as people aren't aware of it. And so there's that. So that's why I think it's good we're talking about that. Yes, Michael.
@malleusigAnd then we'll go to McMarcy and Tim.
Speaker 4Yeah, so it's great to hear you, and I owe you a message on another platform. No, no, I saw it.
@malleusigYou're good, you're good.
Speaker 4Oh okay good yeah yeah anyway uh fascinating topic uh great to hear you say talking about it also i would like to say that you know we do share something with the creator i mean we are the only entities really that we know of that are not you know determined by we're not determined our behavior is not entirely determined it is we have this modic we have this free will which
Speaker 4We have creative will, we have free will. That's what makes us like in the image of God, as it were, is that we are autonomous agents who can actually initiate action rather than just being part of a continuum of actions that happen deterministically. And anyway, I don't know what I'm saying here, except that it's great to hear you talking about this stuff.
Speaker 4And you were talking about the kind of churches, you know, the evangelical churches. And now, right now, I am actually in the market for a real church because, like, this minister I love as a person, and he's not an Israeli fanboy or anything, but he just can't get out of the Old Testament. He never preaches the New Testament, as it were, at all.
Speaker 4It's always...
@malleusigDid your audio cut out?
@joann_marieNo, I was still hearing him. Can you hear us? Rabbi?
@malleusigYeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 4Can you hear me?
@malleusigNow I can hear you.
Speaker 4Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the...
Speaker 4I forget what I was saying. I was saying something about the church. Yeah, yeah.
@malleusigFinding a church, yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, and, you know, I... This guy's following me around now and I'm starting to get nervous because he sounds extremely violent in nature.
@malleusigHe won't come into this space, we blocked him.
Speaker 4Yeah, he's making me slightly nervous, although that's his whole motive.
@joann_marieHe won't come again here.
@malleusigYeah, he won't come here again. The host, we've blocked him. So you're gonna be safe in any space we're in.
Ian MalcolmWe get some crazies around these parts, Dr. Rectenwald.
@malleusigWhat a surprise! When you start talking about the demons, they want to come in and harass you.
Speaker 4But Rabbi, how do you reconcile the Old Testament and the New Testament? That's what I wanted to ask you.
@malleusigoh well that's a fun question i mean that's it's kind of at a variance to the topic of the of the space but it is a fun question um to be quite honest after lots of conversations on this app and uh you know reading jesus's words it's you know jesus had that line where he said that you what was it you you kind of like you shut the door and you don't you don't take you don't
@malleusigTake advantage of it yourselves and you don't let others in, right? To the priests. And to be honest, what I think he was saying when he led that critique at them, he was talking about how they had edited and changed their own scriptures. How they had been given God's word at the beginning, and they had edited it and changed it for largely political ends.
@malleusigYou know, things like how we just found out that the books of Moses were Coincidentally found in a temple wall or something right at the time when the message they brought was expedient in the Hebrews relations with the Persians, for example. It looks like these people had been making a career out of falsifying their own history and their own scriptures.
@malleusigAnd because of that, I look at the Old Testament with a lot of skepticism. I look at the New Testament with a lot more, a lot more trust. And so I think that the relationship is basically a correction. I think the New Testament is meant to be a correction and a critique of the old. It doesn't mean everything in the old is false.
@malleusigIt just means that you've got a book that for a very long time was intact and it has been Unceremoniously and kind of like surreptitiously edited by the people that in whose in whose possession it was charged for their own benefit. And Jesus came to say, no, hold on a second. You guys fucked around with God's word. We can't let this stand.
@malleusigWe've got to correct it. And so that's basically I feel about. I mean, if you look at if you just look at what the Old Testament actually contains and you don't you don't get all starry eyed and. I'm hard-pressed to explain why these two gods are the same thing I'm hard-pressed to explain how the God of Jesus and the God of the Old Testament
@malleusigCan possibly be the same entity, right?
@malleusigI question it because Paul was literally a Pharisee who was in charge of finding Christians and killing them. And then somehow he became the guy that somehow wrote almost 50% of the New Testament. And if you look at what Jesus taught, he taught that God is within you. You look inside of you and you'll see God. You are a creation of God.
@malleusigYou're made in God's image. But in Paul's teaching, it's like, oh, the only way to salvation is through Christ. As long as you believe in Christ and he died for our sins, now you can go to heaven. There's no... I feel like it's two different teachings. I don't want to turn this into a critique of Paul or that kind of discussion because what invariably happens when you do that is you're going to get a lot of people in here that are going to be very strongly about Paul, very strongly about their religion.
@malleusigand it's going to turn into a huge mess. It's better if we save that for a... I know, I know, that's why I didn't want to say anything. I do think more people need to read Acts and I think it is important to point out that Paul was literally the man who held the coats for the people that stoned Stephen, the first martyr after Christ.
@malleusigSo look into that, look into Acts before we get into that. We can have that discussion, I think, another time. Let's go to McMarcy and Hubbard. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 5Hello, everyone. Actually, I first wanted to talk about the karma thing that you were talking about, but then you were talking about Bible and the New Testament, and I wanted to ask you a question because you mentioned this as the Word of God. So you're saying the New Testament is the Word of God, but isn't it like the narrative of a few disciples
Speaker 5and followers of Jesus Christ just telling the story of his life and what happened afterwards. And it was like decided in the Council of Nicaea to accept this narrative amongst many others.
@malleusigAgain, that's another very, very long and very contentious discussion. But what I can tell you is that I didn't say that the New Testament was the word of God, right? The New Testament is the word of Luke, Mark, Matthew, and John. And we can say that they were inspired by God, but it wasn't the Word of God. And as a matter of fact, I honestly don't believe that the Old Testament was the Word of God.
@malleusigIf you look at the Old Testament and you compare it to the Epic of Gilgamesh, it does seem to be a lot of the early portions like Genesis seem to be cribbed from Gilgamesh. And then a military history of the Jews was added on after. And then it gets into, you know, more administration, legal questions, that kind of thing.
@malleusigBut I don't see a lot of God in that book.
Speaker 5Yeah, so that is like a very big difference because in Islam, Quran is accepted to be the word of God and it's The perspective is from the God's perspective. He's talking to the creation.
@joann_marieBut let's not turn this into an Islam versus Christianity space we're literally talking about. No, no, no.
@malleusigI'm just providing some context. John has a point. It's really not a good place to be comparing religions. No, no, no. It's not about comparison. Listen, we're talking about a metaphysical phenomenon. And I think you and I can have a discussion about Islam because Islam... Also, and from my reading of the Quran, Islam also does not seem to be the word of God.
@malleusigIt seems to be the word of Jibril and an unnamed other entity that at no point claims it is God, but people assume it is. So we can have that discussion if you'd like to, and I can go through Quranic verses with you if you want.
Speaker 5Well, on that point, yeah, we can have that discussion later on. But not in this space, though.
@joann_marieThis is like about a completely different topic.
Speaker 5No, no, no, it was just for providing context, because I have this question, and they have been asking questions about this, and I just wanted to...
@malleusigAsk it succinctly, and we'll answer it.
Speaker 5Yeah, and that is it, because when you look at a text as the basis... and a foundation of your belief system, you have to believe that it has some credibility. So if it is not the word of God, then it's just some people that talked about this. How is this the foundation of everything in Christianity? And in Judaism, by the way.
@malleusigAnd we can have that discussion, McMarcy. But in short, it comes down to it's very Muslim to think that Credibility and authority are the only necessary requirements for believing in something, right? It's more of a Western thing to say to yourself, I've read this and I've checked it out and the tenets hold true, right?
@malleusigAnd it's less of a focus on who said it and more focus on is what is written here right? And I think that's a motivation for a lot of Christians. And that's, I think, where we can have our discussion. But not here. I think we can have that another day. Because if we start talking about mercy, you know what's going to happen?
@malleusigA ton of Muslims are going to flood in. They're going to start trying to flood us with Quranic verses and Hadiths. And it's going to be 10 minutes per person. and then there's just gonna be no way out of it all right it's like it's like when you it's like bringing up reparations and then you're flood with black people who want money who want checks in their mail okay just it just destroys the space yeah just to clear this one point yeah we can move on from this it's not the only necessity but it is one necessity so we have this it's less of a necessity for non-muslims
Speaker 5Yeah, I understand. I understand. But I'm saying it's not just enough to have that part. Other parts are important too, but this is one of them as well. Yeah.
@malleusigI get it. I get it, Marci. But we're dealing with... I mean, do you have any belief in the concept of karma?
Speaker 5Of course, of course. And the thing that I wanted to talk about about karma was that... We can talk about that. Yeah, yeah. The part actually was that these actions that we see, it's like... An oxymoron in my perspective because karma is not like you do something here and the next world you're going to be rewarded for it or you're going to be punished for it.
Speaker 5It's like what you do here actually means something. Yeah, that's the definition of karma that in this world you're going to see the result of what you're doing. No, I'm saying no, no, in this one, I'm saying it's in this world. Karma says, what you do in this world, you're going to see the result of it in this world. So it has like an effect.
@malleusigI'm sorry. Make mercy, you're not listening. And again, this is a very Muslim-Christian interchange just because of that. We're not talking about committing a sin and then facing judgment in the next world. We're paying for it in the next world. The idea of karma means that it gets paid back in this one. That's what karma is.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's what I was saying. I was saying it's not even payback. It's the natural consequence. It's like when you hold your hand over fire, you're going to burn. So karma is if you do something bad in this very world, and it's the next one, it's not like you're going to be rewarded or punished. It's the natural thing that happens afterwards.
Speaker 5And yes, we do have the same thing in Islam. Karma, that what you do gets back to you. In this world, not in the next. And not as a punishment or reward, it's the natural thing that happens.
Speaker 4You just said the next world, not this one.
@malleusigThat's all right. Let's just let it go. It's not worth it. But all right. Let's go to Hubbard, I think, was next. No, actually, Tim had his hand up earlier, and it was down. And then Hubbard has... This is tough. Let's go to Tim first, and then we'll go to Hubbard after him.
@timlordanI'll go quick. I just wanted to mention... Two statements and then I'm done. I just wanted to mention the influencers and how they're used to kind of get that karmic separation. You see it and you actually feel it. Because a lot of the influencers are totally convinced of their ideology, so they just kind of ride that.
@timlordanAnd then the other people can just sit back and let them do the dirty work, essentially. Yeah, that was the main point. and just kind of you might have been getting to something like that anyway and then the other thing I was going to talk about is the morality inversion like could they be seeing like doing the bad thing as like as something being good and gaining karma for them yeah I know because I don't know as much about like the satanist or the occultist but uh I've heard like a lot of what you said before like I was like I've heard I've heard of bits of pieces of that but I thought that there was an element of them trying to do
@timlordanThe actual evil thing, just thinking it's good because it's inverted in their head or where it gives them some kind of prize or something.
@malleusigYeah, I mean, actually, there's a good analogy we can draw on here. A good example can be drawn here using influencers. And I would say the modern version is influencers, but the one before that was rock stars, right? Musicians, rap stars, that kind of thing. Because the dynamic is exactly the same. and this is why this is one really going back to Jews now the Jews one of the reasons why they're so successful is because they're they've mastered this game think about the music that's pedal to black people all right black people for the past 30 40 maybe even 50 years and going back to the 70s right they've been the target of a coordinated campaign to devolve them as a culture all right to basically
@malleusigremove their participation in in society and civilization and cause them to adopt essentially a pre-civilized mindset and probably the major actor in this has been music and so what do we see happen you know we're seeing it we're seeing for the most part the vast majority of producers are Jewish And they're not necessarily going up to Jay-Z or Dr. Dre or Ice Cube and saying you must put this in your song, right?
@malleusigYou must put in your song that it's cool for black kids to shoot other black kids and go to jail, right? The thing is they don't have to because all they have to do is find One, you know, one act that is talking about the more primitive, you know, things like sex, violence, yada, yada, yada. And then what they do is they elevate that.
@malleusigThey pour money into that act. They promote it because we know that music promotion is the most important part of the equation. The music itself is largely there. I mean, it's there are so many talented musicians. You just have to dip your hand in and pull them out at a point. Right. So talent is not a problem. The problem is getting people to listen to the song.
@malleusigAnd that's where money comes in and promotion is so important. And Jewish people have those networks. They have these promotion networks and distribution networks. They're able to spend a little money and make sure that Miley Cyrus gets played on every single radio station every single day and gets caught in everyone's mind on a loop.
@malleusigAnd that's what makes her popular. And so all they do is they'll simply say, OK, listen, we have a certain message we want to push this quarter. and we're going to find the acts that push this out and we're going to focus on them we're going to find you know uh nwa we're going to find dr dre we're going to find the acts that are talking about violence because it's more authentic quote unquote and then we're going to prefer them and put more money into promoting them then we put into for example the treacherous three right or um
@malleusigRun DMC. You know, maybe not Run DMC. That's still early 80s. We're getting away from party rap, right? Rap used to be fun. It used to be like somebody played a party and just danced to it before it became this whole gangster thing. And so we're going to focus on the gangster rap. We're going to promote that. Now, listen, notice what they've done.
@malleusigThey incurred no karma for young black men shooting each other at greater, vastly greater rates because they never said you have to sing about this. All they did was decide where to allocate money in a preferential way. And then you take it one generation further, right? Because people are not dumb. People see patterns, right?
@malleusigThe young black kid now who grows up listening to NWA, Dr. Dre, right? Public Enemy. They say to themselves, okay, well, this party rap is passe. The new thing, the thing that's going to get me A contract is violence. It's singing about shooting people. It's talking about going out and rolling around with my crew and fighting the Crips or the Bloods as the case may be.
@malleusigAnd that's what gets the attention of Jewish capital. That's what gets the attention of the music business. That's what's going to get me promoted. And so you don't have to do anything at that point. It has become a self-replicating cycle, right? And now it just spirals. Now it just gets More and more concentrated. You've pushed the ball.
@malleusigYou've gotten the ball rolling. And now you don't have to do anything. You have zero responsibility for what happened. All you've done was decide to put money into this column instead of this column. And as such, you don't have any responsibility. There's no karma. You watch the world burn around you when you profit from it.
@malleusigYeah, David.
@nietzsche258918In what sense? What do you think karma is?
@malleusigI think karma is... I think McMercy actually had a pretty good characterization, though I wanted to stay off the topic of Islam. It's essentially a law of nature that states that whatever you do will at some point have to be balanced out by you experiencing it.
@nietzsche258918And you're saying that because these people are doing this informally and by the second hand, they're somehow avoiding this law of nature?
@malleusigYeah, because they're not actually committing the crime. They're finding a way to get someone else to commit the crime, and then the benefits of that crime go to them, or the lion's share of those.
Speaker 5That's not how it works, Rabbi. Hold on.
@nietzsche258918Not done yet, buddy. So from what I'm hearing from you, though, isn't karma in relation to acts of consciousness? In other words, the choices that you make in a moral context. Someone needs to close their mic. I'm hearing something.
@joann_marieI've muted you over and over like five times already.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, I mean like, karma does come back to you if you lack self-control. But getting back to this, isn't that, so the way that I think about karma, the way the word has meaning to me, is it wouldn't have any meaning if there weren't volition, if you didn't have dominion over your choices and you, the culpability comes in direct relation, is a natural concomitant of that.
@nietzsche258918I heard you earlier say, which I also found a little confusing, that you thought karma was sort of a legality issue rather than one of consciousness. It's kind of getting away because the idea, of course, this idea comes from the East, and the idea is that you're doing something to yourself in relation to karma. If we could just make this binary a good act versus a bad act, right?
@nietzsche258918And therefore, there's sort of a Newtonian thing here, an action and then the reaction. If you do something good, you know, that's good karma. And let's not forget there is such a thing. And if we're willing to accept that there's a bad version of it. But if you do something bad, there's bad karma. That idea doesn't seem to be the idea that you can get away with it.
@nietzsche258918This is what it sounds like you're saying. It sounds like That you're saying that by being a trickster and by being informal about it, which is kind of like the worst version of anarchy when you think about it, that somehow you escape moral culpability. Is that what you're saying?
@malleusigNot quite, not quite. So when I talk about karma, I'm talking about karma in the classical sense. The word karma comes from, it's a Sanskrit word. It means the act, right? It means to do or to perform or to act. So with no act, there's no karma. Karma is not something that only happens in consciousness. There needs to be an act for karma to happen.
@nietzsche258918But you were ascribing to a member of this group that practices out-group psychopathy. You're saying that they do it in a way where they evade culpability in the eyes of everyone else. and the eyes, most importantly, of the apparatus of everyone else called the state. I get that, but doesn't the idea of karma transcend that?
@nietzsche258918I'll give you an example. This is one that's very intellectual. It's called The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. So the Grinch, he looks very unhappy, right? And he looks very bitter. And the karma in this situation is that he has to live with himself. You know, as we've said about a certain group of people, and then everybody who, by extension, does this same thing,
@nietzsche258918You become the lie. How do they deal with evility? How do they deal, you know, the secret to, as a lot of people in Hollywood that play bad guys, they say the secret to playing the bad guy is that they don't think of themselves as the bad guy. Well, it takes a lot of sort of a psychological industry to get away from the idea you're a bad guy.
@nietzsche258918This is C.S. Lewis's idea of morality, that we become more or less moral every day. And so this idea The Grinch, you know, what happens, the Grinch looks a lot happier. In other words, from a purely selfish point of view, you would say, well, the most selfish thing I could do is what the Grinch, like if I care about other people, it's actually better for my actual self.
@nietzsche258918Because again, I carry this around. So can we say that the best idea or maybe the most profound idea of consciousness is that you are, that just as we say that character is destiny, The idea of your bad karma really is your destiny because you're living on a level of consciousness that makes you bitter, angry, it makes you think in zero-sum games, and you have a lot of enemies, and of course we hear these people when they come in, and sometimes they let loose with something really, oh my God, it's very ghoulish.
@nietzsche258918So isn't that the idea of karma that they don't escape? I think maybe you get away with hiding it from yourself once, but if this is their modus operandi, and I love the COVID example and the rap example, and you're both great, then they know it, and therefore aren't they, I will say, punished, or don't they, by having to live on that realm of consciousness, isn't that the more profound idea of karma?
@malleusigI would say no. I agree with you that that is a punishment, but I don't think that that's what... It's not what I mean when I talk about karma. I think it's not what most people mean when they talk about karma. I do think that you are essentially shitting in the pool when you're doing this. You're making the world around you a shittier place and you have to live in that.
@malleusigBut again, I mean, the nature of evil is separation. The nature of evil is that it does not see any relation between itself and the other, right? This is psychopaths, one of the most The famous characteristic of a psychopath is that he doesn't see any connection between himself and other people. Other people are automatons.
@malleusigThey have inputs, they have outputs. Living with them is simply a process of figuring out what the correct inputs are to get the outputs you want.
@nietzsche258918But aren't you getting the result by not being happy? If we visit every monastic environment in the world, I don't care whether it's Islamic or Christian or Buddhist or Hindu, They all have this, and Thomas Merton kind of made this point, they all seem remarkably similar, and then you see these people are not acquisitive, they're not mesmerized by acquiring, acquiring, and fulfilling the wanting machine, but they have this dominion over themselves, and you notice, gosh, I envy these people, they're happy, their goodness is just redolent.
@nietzsche258918Now, if we were to go to the other people... Aren't they being punished in the sense that there is no way they can experience that ataraxia, that equanimity, that happiness by being evil? So isn't that obvious? Isn't it an unenviable position to be them?
@malleusigI would actually say that the most evil people, when you get to concentrated evil, when you get to the real evil people, the people that we don't know their names,
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@malleusigPsychopathy is, you know, among the most difficult conditions to treat. In fact, I think some people have called it intractable, like people do not know how to cure this. The software doesn't see any reason to participate in the counseling. Sorry, go ahead.
@nietzsche258918I will say that doesn't, I don't think that that fits with the idea, your demonistic idea of happiness, because the Marquis de Sade said famously, because he spent like 27 years in prison I mean a lot he said I think he said to his wife he said this is the way I am and this is the way I will always be you know predating upon people sexually assaulting them but but happiness is a state of self this is Aristotle talking happiness is a state of self-sufficiency that doesn't really need to be subsidized you know it's it's the epicurean idea that if you have friendship and you have time for self-reflection and you have your basic wants met
@nietzsche258918Then this is the best way to experience this calm. Well, the people you're talking about, and they can call it happiness, but I don't think it is. Well, you just described it yourself. They're always in the wanting. They're always in the conquering. They're always in the zero sum. That doesn't sound like happiness to me.
@nietzsche258918That sounds like gratification.
@malleusigDo you know why, David? Do you know why it doesn't sound like happiness to you?
@joann_marieBecause you're not a psychopath.
@malleusigBecause you're a good person. Because you're a good person. That's why that doesn't sound like happiness to you.
@nietzsche258918But I'm thinking, I guess here's the way I'm thinking. So as a guy who thinks on epistemological lines, I think in terms of operations of mind, what happens in the mind, what thoughts go through it, you know, to get them where they are, right? Like Ted Bundy, for instance, he said he felt sorry for people who felt guilty.
@nietzsche258918He had no self-awareness. This is the sacrifice of psychopaths. They lose empathy and thus self-awareness. And that he's sitting on death row about to get fried when he says this. It's like, well, morals are the way that you regulate and the way that you are. Your mortal career is more important than your professional career, like how you conduct yourself through life.
@nietzsche258918How do you make yourself a better person? And I don't believe in this. And I won't put words in your mouth, but almost a relativistic idea that, well, this is happiness for them. I don't think it's happiness for them any more than I think it is happiness for the Marquis de Sade. I think these are extreme predilections.
@nietzsche258918And I just, I don't think that the person who engages in evil and again becomes the lie, becomes the evil, I don't think that person can claim the happiness and that state of self-sufficiency and calm that the good person can. What do you think about that?
@malleusigYeah, and again, I would say you don't think that because you're a good person. You don't think that raping a child makes you happy. You don't think that subjugating thousands of people makes you happy, right? You do not have that mindset. And I don't think I would consider it kind of a moral relativism to say that everyone has their own definition of happiness.
@malleusigI think it's just kind of the way things are. I have a different definition of what it means to be happy for me, and I think you have a different definition of what it means to be happy for you. Psychopaths have their own definitions and those definitions are going to be greatly informed by the nature of psychopathy.
@nietzsche258918Do you know more than one person that you think is reasonably happy?
@malleusigIs it cheerful, good, happy person? Do I know more than one person? Do I know more than one person? I'm looking for... I don't know, maybe. I might. I'm not really sure.
@nietzsche258918Do you think that they have something in common?
@malleusigWell, I think they do, but the thing is, I think they would, but I think that, again, I don't hang out with psychopaths as a general rule.
@nietzsche258918No, no, no, I'm not talking about the psychopaths. You said we all have our definition of happiness, and I'm saying, do you... I'll make this more algebraic, I'll just say, do you think in general terms that people that are happy, I gave the example of all the people in the very disparate ideologies of monastic experience, and they seem to be so similar, do you think that there is something, or some fundamental ways of behaving, thinking, including gaining dominion over your mind and your soul, do you think that there are some universals that conduce to happiness?
@malleusigThere are some universals, but Those universals are not going to be exclusive. They're not going to rule out. Isn't that what a universal is? What's that? Isn't that what a universal is? Okay, then we can agree there are no universals for happiness. They're not going to be exclusive of everything else. Because happiness is one of the most subjective things we have.
@nietzsche258918Hold on. Well, it is an experience, right? So I'll give you that. Again, do you not at least concede that there is something going on with all those people, irrespective of their different ideologies, where they seem so similar? Do you not think that these people that all have this calm, goodness, happiness solicitude for others, you don't think that there are some fundamentals, kind of low-hanging fruit, obvious principles that conduce to happiness?
@malleusigYeah, and it mostly has to do with neurotransmitters in the brain. It mostly has to do with what releases... What releases norepinephrine and serotonin in your brain? And that's going to be different for everyone, I think. Not vastly different across everyone, but it's going to be very similarly different. It's going to be very close, but slightly different, I think, for everybody.
@malleusigBut you're also going to have cases where it swings very wildly from one side to the other.
@nietzsche258918Well, this sounds very deterministic. I thought you were anti-deterministic. Now you're saying it's... Just because of the transmitters, isn't it also a result of their choices?
@malleusigHold on a second. And again, we're kind of eating up a lot of time here. I know Hubbard wants to go still. We've got a bunch of hands. But let's try and wrap this up. First of all, I don't think I've ever said I'm anti-deterministic. But leaving that aside for the moment, how are you characterizing this as deterministic?
@nietzsche258918Well, if you're saying it's just the neurotransmitters, if it comes down to chemistry and not their choices, is that maybe I got you wrong there? It sounded like what you were saying.
@malleusigI didn't say that determines it. I said you asked me for commonalities. And I said the commonalities would be the release of certain neurotransmitters.
@nietzsche258918Okay. Besides the neurotransmitters, do you think that there is anything involving their actual choices, their actual decisions? The acts of consciousness, in other words, acts of volition, do you think that there's any of that that these people have in common, irrespective of their different ideologies, given that they all seem happy?
@malleusigSo the only thing that they have in common would be that they're choosing to act in a way that maximizes their happiness. So again, their acts would be informed by what they believe is going to make them happy, which I do believe has some variance to it.
@nietzsche258918Okay, but there might be some universal choices that work for everyone, right? For instance, having dominion over yourself, not satiating every desire, practicing... Well, no, I would say right off the line, look at people like Genghis Khan, for example.
@malleusigHe found great happiness in satiating or attempting to satiate every desire.
@nietzsche258918Well, I mean, I'm asking among good people, right?
@malleusigAgain, by the definition, by the very definition of what we're talking about, we are not limiting ourselves to good people. We're specifically talking about the most evil people.
@nietzsche258918But you made the claim that you don't think that there are any universals in relation to happiness. And we're just, we're focusing on people.
@malleusigI thought there were, and you challenged me on that, and I conceded. Okay, you might be right. Maybe there are none. But that's not something that I came up with on my own.
@nietzsche258918I see. Okay, well, proceed to the hands. Interesting conversation, my friend.
@malleusigExcellent. Excellent. I know you and I can always, we can always pick this up anytime, too. So let's go to Hubbard because he's been waiting a long time and then we'll hit the rest of you guys. I see Dr. Atusa Madhavi. I see you and we'll go, we'll try and get you next. Go ahead, Hubbard.
Speaker 6Yeah, great conversation. I definitely think When it comes to happiness, I'm going to go back to karma with this, but happiness, I do think there's truly evil people that, in my view of the world, are evil, but they are happy because what they are doing gives them meaning and fulfillment because they are living a life that is directional, that is progressive, and that builds upon a plan, an agenda.
Speaker 6That might be something that I'm opposed to. But something that is directional and gives them meaning. Like, there are people who are trying to set up this transhumanist surveillance state and, like, make cat girls on Mars, like Elon and Peter Thiel. I think they're having some happiness in creating some shit like that.
Speaker 6It's antagonistic to what I would like, but I do think happiness and good are not always connected. I think some of the best people there are are very unhappy. but because they deal with stuff that's very heavy like uh there's this one guy anthony aguilar he's a whistleblower he was working at that uh gaza aid site he's on all these podcasts telling people like what's coming and everything he seems very stressed out very good guy though very good guy in my opinion but um when it comes to karma i do think there is and like i think rabbi you're touching touching in this with the music industry and
Speaker 6Other stuff I do think there's other like kind of almost like freemasonic secret society shit too along with like Jewish supremacy but it does kind of dabble in Kabbalah and basically they want to remake the world world dominion metaphysics world domination and to create I think the goal is to create a new Eden and in order to create a new Eden you have to destroy the world so all of this crap that's happening is being done to destroy the world
Speaker 6So they can remake it in their own image. And I do think there is karma that is good, but I do think there's dark karma. And I think the reason for all these evil rituals and stuff is to give them power. And I do think there is some supernatural power they get from some bad stuff they do.
@malleusigYeah, I agree. I think that the rituals that they do, like where, you know, for example, The people that are doing the killing, they believe that the ritual gives them power, and I think it gives them a little bit of power. But the people that arrange it, and the people that inspire it without, you know, they have all this special techniques they use, right?
@malleusigPeople that inspire it and manage it, they gain the most power from it. And they gain that power by allowing the actual executioners to take on the weight of the sin. and many more.
Speaker 6In the public's eye, and I don't know if that's comparable to karma, but I do think when we're looking at stuff like 9-11, it is such a ritual. And I'm going to post this in the comments, but there is this one rabbi, and I actually don't think he was being malicious. I think his friend was kind of malicious, but he was hearing about how the fall of the Twin Towers was predicted in the Zohar, and that he thought this was some big thing.
Speaker 6I do think a lot of these rituals are set up and then tied to religious scripture and stuff but i do think we live in a world of symbology and it's it's pretty freaky i'll post that in the comments and keep it going guys great space great and uh that's good good vibes good vibes guys thanks a lot all right all right excellent all right great um let's go to dr atusa
@yourvitalitydocHi, Rabbi. Thank you for coming. How are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm actually loving this space. We seldom have spaces that we discuss this sort of concept. But it's something that is really dear to my heart. I actually am a professional in the realm of yoga and yoga therapy, Ayurveda. I've studied the Vedantic texts.
@yourvitalitydocAnd so when I joined the conversation, I came into the space, the conversation was about karma. And so, yes, correctly, you mentioned that karma means action. But it is not just attributed to physical action. When you go deeper into the Vedantic texts, such as, for example, Patanjali's Yoga Sutra, you may be familiar with that.
@yourvitalitydocHe is the father of enlightenment from the perspective of yoga, etc. And in that, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, all he talks about is the mind and the thoughts. And he refers to abolishing your karma at the level of the mind. So when someone, let's say, goes and hires someone to do their dirty deeds, And they don't do it.
@yourvitalitydocThey're still committing action. Even though they're not doing the crime themselves, or they're not doing the act, whatever it may be itself, but because they planned it at the level of the mind, they envisioned it, let's say, in the sixth chakra, the third eye, they visualized, they envisioned the plan, the discernment and judgment comes from
@yourvitalitydocLet's say the third eye, the sixth chakra. Their heart, what is it holding at the level of the heart? You know, the fourth chakra, right? Which is the seat of consciousness. And that is where there is love, there is supposed to be compassion. But you can also hold hate. You can also hold resentment there. And therefore you could hate, let's say, a nation.
@yourvitalitydocand you are committing acts of karma at that level and the whole idea of relinquishing oneself from karmic sort of consequences in this lifetime and if you believe in incarnation, reincarnation in the next lifetime is to cleansing all the aspects of the body Whether it's the physical body, astral body, the mental body, emotional body, which you see there are from gross to subtle, but they all participate as one in the act.
@yourvitalitydocWhether it's by planning at the level of the mind or consciousness, or whether it's actually doing physically an act that will bring either a good karma or a bad karma.
@yourvitalitydocThank you very much.
@yourvitalitydocYour choices and your decisions, whether you're conscious of the evil deed or you're unconscious of the evil deed, what resides at the level of the decision-making apparatuses of your mind, body, heart, chakra, head, brain, which is basically the mental body. Vigyanamaya Kosha, which is the intellectual body. What are you conspiring to do at those levels?
@yourvitalitydocAnd so it's a very deep and much basically researched in the Vedantic texts and written texts that go back to 3,500 years ago, 5,000 years ago in terms of rituals.
@yourvitalitydocAlso, that is basically one of the concepts of yoga when you get into deeper sort of teachings of it. There is right-hand tantra, and then there is left-hand tantra. So, left-hand tantra... tantra means utilizing a tool to bringing energy. So, a tool that is used to manipulate energy. That's tantra. Right Hand Tantra is what the good yogis do.
@yourvitalitydocThey are, you know, basically namas and yamas, no harm to others, no ill feeling or thoughts about others, a cleansiness, no greed, no lying, truthfulness, all of that is yamas and yamas. And they do their postures like yoga, physical yoga, they do their breath work. They try to do karmic good deeds by service, and they want to reach enlightenment.
@yourvitalitydocSo therefore they do not have to cause injury or harm. Then you have the left-hand tantra. Now these are the weirdos in the world of yoga, but these are the people that could go very dark. And I believe that there was a... Marriage between Kabbalah and Talmudic rituals with the left-hand Tantra yogis from India. And perhaps that's why some of the rituals are similar, the creating of divine goddesses and idols and worshipping and sacrifice.
@yourvitalitydocSo the left-hand Tantra, in that yogic perspective, also could
@yourvitalitydocAnd they understand that it is from the dark side. But those are the ones that are calling themselves master of manipulating energy. And they do not worship the same God that you and I worship. And so to them, in their perspective and worldview, they're not committing sin. But that doesn't mean that they're not going to pay for things that they do.
@joann_marieAlso there is this thing like in the Luciferians and Satanists and stuff like that that they are like well it needs to be balanced so we need to do evil things because if there's no evil things there's no good things happening so it needs to be balanced and we're actually doing the world a favor so it's not that bad.
@malleusigYeah I don't agree with that but I know that they do believe that.
@yourvitalitydocYeah but the thing is like let's say there is a satanic ritual right? and they hand the knife or the dagger to someone else to basically stab a child in the heart, etc., right? They may think they're devoid of karma, but they're not.
@malleusigBecause the decision... So I don't think that... So here's the thing. Karma, and you're fluent in Sanskrit already, I can tell. Karma means an act. So in order for karma to be incurred, you have to have an act.
@yourvitalitydocof Yoga Sutras of Patanjali about enlightenment. All he talks about is the purification of the thought and the mind processes that distort, that deviate, that basically, it's basically your shadow aspect, which includes the handing of the dagger to someone. The sin is the same. The sin is the same. They don't know it. They don't want to accept it because they are dead in the heart.
@yourvitalitydocThey're devoid of their humanity and they're embodying satanic sort of energetics, right?
@malleusigOkay, but let's take the scenario and work with this. You have the man that stabs the infant in the heart. You have the man that gives the knife to the man that stabs the infant in the heart. Then you have the man that arranges for the property where the ritual takes place. You have the man that owns the property where the ritual takes place.
@malleusigSo with every successive step out... For example, you have the man that creates the music and decides the tempo of the ritual. So you have these... You have these successive steps out every successive step you have less and less participation in the crime in the sin in the act right and so karma will accrue less and less as you go out when you get out to the outs to the upper side you're dealing with someone who essentially is like hey i just own the building but here's the thing that person is getting the most money and the most benefit
@malleusigFrom what happens inside that building, they're just able to claim plausible deniability legally, and I would say karmically. You can disagree, but I would say karmically as well.
@yourvitalitydocSo if you go to the Bible and we think about the words of Christ Jesus, as you recall, he said to the disciples that I say unto you, even if you think about, if you hold the thought of anger of your brethren, What if you don't hold anger? What if you don't think about the crime? What if you simply say I want to make sure I get the best return on this property investment?
@joann_marieOkay, so in your, for example, if I own a property and I rent it to a psychopath, but I don't know it's a psychopath, I don't know it's going to kill anyone there, you know, like I have no clue whatsoever, and that person kills people there? You have a property and every month someone walks up to you and hands you an envelope full of cash
@malleusigThey give you $2 million every month and say, listen, we just need this property for one night. All right. And we're not going to tell you what happens. We're not going to talk about you. No one's allowed to come in. There's no cameras. Right. But I'm going to give you $2 million to let us use this property every night, one night for every month.
@malleusigRight. Now, you have not incurred karma for what happens on that property. You and I, as good people, we would question hold on a second what are you what's going to happen on my property and why is it worth two million dollars for you okay you would still be i mean if you question that then you would be avoid you would be a good person but if you don't question and you say say well shit two million dollars just for letting someone use my house for a night i know something's happening
@malleusigBut I really don't want to find out too much. I really am not interested in finding the details because anyone knows something happened, right? So you're participating and you're profiting from it, but I don't think you can make the case that that person would receive karma for the murder of someone during that ritual.
@yourvitalitydocThey would receive karma not for the murder? But for their greed and lust for money and not inquiring. So obviously not everybody pays the same price for different levels of crime.
@nietzsche258918Right. In other words, for the willful ignorance.
@malleusigRight. So which do you think is going to be more difficult to deal with? The karma for willful ignorance or the karma for murder of an infant?
@yourvitalitydocLet's say the knife or the dagger. And which has happened. I've watched documentaries of Little kids in England that were raised in satanic families, etc. And they were basically being programmed dissociative behavior, dissociative personalities. So in those families, the kid, the 9-year-old or whatever, 10-year-old or the 7-year-old, is given the dagger during the satanic ritual to stab the kid.
@yourvitalitydocThey do not receive as much of a karma as their father who is the satanic priest who handed them the dagger. How do you know? How do you know? Because there is levels of innocence and knowledge of what is right and wrong. If you are a child and you're grown into an environment Eureka Q, Eureka Q
@yourvitalitydocWhen you reach adulthood, you realize what you've done is wrong. And that is why the documentaries are interviewing these children. And they're saying, well, I might. So you can, you know, it's a very basic understanding of humanity and our nature of sinfulness, but also innocence and conditioning and programming by parents, by environment.
@malleusigDoctor, doctor, my intention is not that it's simple. My intention is that it's too simple. My contention is that it sounds like you're speaking out of an assumption of what you think is common sense when I don't see any reason to believe that karma acts that way at all. And again, we can respectfully disagree on this one.
@malleusigBut I think you might be jumping the gun by declaring that the child has less karma for the act than the adults do in that situation.
@yourvitalitydocYou will have karma, but definitely I...
Speaker 7Well, let's bring up the scenario of like if a cop assaults someone illegally. Hold on. Where's karma? Hold on, hold on, hold on.
@malleusigLet's let... I mean...
Speaker 7I was trying to simplify it for a moment to then make it more complex.
@malleusigOkay, why don't you go ahead and explain your scenario and then we'll see if that makes it easier.
Speaker 7So the cop has authority. Yep. If they willfully violate that authority... It doesn't matter if other people find them credible or think they're innocent. They've abused authority. Correct. Now, if multiple cops assault someone or help one person kill someone, then that makes the karma even worse.
@malleusigHow... Wait a minute, what do you mean by worse, first of all, and how are you making this judgment?
Speaker 8Guilty by association on a level where they all know that something's wrong.
@malleusigI don't think, see, we're not, yeah, no, I think that we're more moralizing now. I don't think we're talking about karma anymore.
@timlordanRabbi, I have the perfect one, right, for the doctor. If I'm driving, and I'm driving home from a friend's house, maybe I hung out, had a couple beers, just a normal night, and I hit a possum with my car, I didn't mean to hit that possum with my car, but I still have the karma of hitting the possum. There was zero immorality in it, but I still did the act, so I'm still going to get the karma from that.
@joann_marieNo, but that is the intention that I was talking about in the beginning, Rabbi. If you don't have the intention to kill anything, why would you be guilty of it?
@malleusigI don't know if you would be guilty for accidentally killing the opossum, Tim.
Speaker 9Yeah, exactly.
@malleusigI mean, you might hold yourself responsible.
Speaker 5Okay, how about this question, Rabbi, if I may? I have a question. Imagine I want... Yeah, I have a button that would kill like a billion people and then I get a child and I tell that child, I will give you a lollipop if you push that button. The child pushes that button and a billion people, yeah, you know it's a child, the child does it for the lollipop.
Speaker 5And I don't do anything myself, I just talk to the child. So according to your karma that could be cheated, I think, this way, I would bear no responsibility, nothing would happen to me because I didn't do anything.
@malleusigYou fundamentally misunderstand what I'm saying, which I don't blame you because it's gotten a bit chaotic. But if you tell the child, first of all, if you don't tell the child that the button will kill the ends of people, all the karma, I think, would go to you. I believe.
@malleusigI think that the karma would go back to you, because you are completely responsible for what happens to that person now. But if you tell someone it's poisonous, and they eat the apple anyway, then there's no karma. You're simply saying, here's something that's poisonous, and they've made a free will choice to eat the poison.
@malleusigWhich is, I think, how the COVID thing was managed. There are two things... So we go back to the quote... Sorry, JoAnn.
@joann_marieNo, first of all... Oh, I have a quote that maybe will make you understand easier, MacMercy, and I always say it, but I'm going to say it again. So, evil must hide in plain sight for the rules of the universe demand that the deceived must consent to the deception.
@malleusigThat's a very good quote. Is that Crowley?
@joann_marieNo, we don't know who it is, but sometimes people say that it's Crowley, but I also thought it was Crowley, but it's not. Nobody knows who it is.
@nietzsche258918I'm still having trouble... What do you think karma is?
@nietzsche258918meaning in eastern but now here's my question do you think that it is irrevocably associated or contingent on intention on what the person was aware that well intention and choice what the the first act you will agree of anything is a thought right we think and then we act right neurons connect we have a cho we have more than one choice
@nietzsche258918We use our volition and then we make a choice. So to the degree that we willfully made that choice, karma is involved. Is that true? I don't think so. I think karma means an act.
@malleusigThen you denude the meaning of karma to nothing. Hold on, hold on. So karma means an act. So if there's no act, how can there be karma?
@nietzsche258918But that is an act. But no. I don't think that you I don't think you're getting I think our friend here the doctor was right you're the first act right the one is the thought and two is the choice you made subsequent to that thought for instance the act of committing money which is plasticized human effort the act of saying I know this is going if you know I know that giving this money I liked your example to black performers to say kill other black people I know this is a bad thing but I'm going to do this well that's an act and it's willful
@nietzsche258918and it's it's done with full knowledge of the consequences so how does that person given that it fits your criteria it's they're making a volitional choice which is i know that's redundant they're committing an act and they're doing it knowing the negative consequences to humans or humanity how does karma not come into play there let's let's put it this way i can concede that there would be karma
@malleusigFor the act of moving money from one sheet to another. But it would be a much more abstract and, how can I put this, less serious kind of karma than actually doing the crime yourself. Right? We can probably find some middle ground there. I can conceive that much. And I think that what happens is these negative elites, they decide on balance,
@malleusigThe calculus means that it's worth it. The calculus means that the amount of karma they're going to accrue by encouraging the environment where things might happen that will hurt others, that end up profiting them, on balance, the karma is going to be less than the benefit.
@nietzsche258918Well, we know they think that, right? Because they're not good people, right? So let's, you know, Aristotle said... But we also know about them that they are... Adept. Yes, they're clever people. So let's think of it in this way. An action is not intrinsically painful or pleasurable, but to the degree that it conduces to that feeling of happiness, right?
@nietzsche258918Now, the things that we're talking about that evil people do really are more conducive to pleasure, right? So this idea that they're obviously living in contradiction, right? They're not... For instance, if you become a heroin addict, you may say, well, this is making me happy. But Aristotle would say, well, a wise person holds their current actions in the context of their whole life.
@nietzsche258918So is this going to take you further away from happiness in the long run or closer to it? So the evil men, are they not a house divided against themselves? And thus, are they not in some way enslaving themselves? And isn't that the karma?
@malleusigThe phenomenon we're talking about is them avoiding enslaving themselves.
@nietzsche258918But they do enslave themselves. Well, the example I just gave you was, for instance, a heroin addict, right?
@malleusigDavid, listen, we don't know that they do. We're talking more about what they believe about what they do than what actually happens, because we don't have a karma meter that can tell us
@joann_marieI think I understand what Rabbi is saying. It's also how they show you what is actually happening in Hollywood. And they kind of make you complicit because now you know what's happening, but you cannot do anything about it and you cannot hold them accountable. So their karma in their minds, I don't believe this. I think they are actually going to get punished like in in in another.
@joann_marieWell, then that's karma, right?
Speaker 8I mean, I was trying to say that if you add people, then it It complicates the dimensions of karma, but we don't necessarily know how to model that yet because...
@joann_marieIn occultism, they do all sorts of mental gymnastics and also in Judaism, as we already know, to like not be...
@malleusigBut it's about adding people also.
@nietzsche258918So let me just take, JoAnn, your mental gymnastics part, right? So, mental gymnastics is a kind of hiding from yourself, right? It's a sleight of hand, ledger domain, where you're able to fool yourself into thinking that this is okay or right. Is that correct?
@nietzsche258918It can be. Is that what you mean by that, JoAnn?
@joann_marieYeah, yeah. I'm having an insane deja vu right now.
@malleusigI would add that it can be that, but that's by no means an exhaustive definition of it.
@nietzsche258918I agree with that. But the good man doesn't have to do this. You know, the old saying by Mark Twain, you know, tell the truth, it's easier to remember. So we can imagine that someone, when we say, well, I sleep at night. Now I understand that you, and I agree with you that there are evil people that sleep at night. I don't, I'm not saying they don't, but I'm saying that karma, this is the only meaning karma has for me, is that the state of consciousness that you have to live on
@nietzsche258918to commit bad acts, irrespective of what they say, by the way, in the mental gymnastics and everything else, is a negative. And I think that people's experience in their own consciousness leads to that conclusion. Now, Rabbi, and I hope I'm steelmanning your argument, What you're saying is, well, let's say someone just becomes totally sociopathic.
@nietzsche258918They never listen to the divine light, that last vestige of virtue called shame, they stop listening to it, and they just delight in being evil all the time and every day. I still think that that person is going to be unable to experience that epicurean happiness that the person who is connected with the divine light does, isn't the house divided against themselves.
@nietzsche258918I don't think that the evil man can experience that. I think that they are the victim of their ability in that way, which is a kind of karma. Do you agree with that?
@malleusigI'm not saying you're wrong about what you think. What I'm saying is it's natural that you would think that because you're a good person. That's my entire point. I'd like to answer to the situation that Dr. Eccles... You can, but I think that you kind of just cut in line a bunch of people. So let's kind of finish this.
@malleusigI believe that you would think that. I believe that you would have difficulty understanding the nature
@malleusigI'm a really good one. As I said to Honeybather, Jesus was just playing the long game.
@malleusigor that it would be completely alien to you and incomprehensible.
@nietzsche258918Right. But I think that I can defend this on epistemological grounds on how the mind works and these people that live in quiet desperation. And it just, you know, like the person who was just caught and committed suicide for all of this plagiarism and stuff at Oxford, the DEI hire, I think... We're not talking about that.
@malleusigWe're talking about skilled evil. That's unskilled. It's not even evil. It's not like...
@nietzsche258918Yeah, I think I steel-manned it better before. You're right, that's not a good example. I will say this for the future of this conversation, and I'd just like you to maybe set this on the table beside you. I think that the state encourages psychopathy and sociopathy when people vote because they themselves would never commit genocide.
@nietzsche258918But somehow by making it secondhand, this is kind of the inverse of what you were saying earlier, a mirror image I should say, because what the state does and the apparatus of the state and therefore the Jewish supremacists right now that control it, that they get people to punt on their moral culpability while calling their representatives their representatives.
@nietzsche258918If I called Rabbi my representative and then said go beat that person up, well of course you'd say I'm morally culpable, that's why they put Charles Manson in prison he never killed anybody he just told people to do it and gave money to do it so I think that this karma thing I would love maybe sometime in the future or whenever you want for us to go down that interesting road of what about the karma of making these choices that affect children and including them getting killed where we just act like we have no culpability while we're actually kind of the people
@nietzsche258918Michael Rectenwald
@malleusigJoAnn, you too?
@joann_marieOh no, I just wanted to say so in Judaism they have something that it's also like apparently they don't have karma if for example I lock somebody in a room and I don't feed them and they die of hunger. I technically didn't kill them. The food that they didn't get killed them. So it's like, well, I'm not actually going to get any karma.
@joann_marieAnd they do all this crazy mental gymnastics to get away with it. But I obviously disagree with it, but they are kind of like that.
@nietzsche258918Have you ever heard, Rabbi, of the trolley problem morally?
@joann_marieI haven't. Which one?
@nietzsche258918The trolley problem is... If you're driving a trolley and you can switch tracks and there's one person stuck in the track, you kill him, surely. If you don't switch tracks, then you kill five people, right? And so if you do nothing, then you just punt on it and you say, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to be part of this.
@nietzsche258918So if you do something, then you willfully kill the one person, right? And saved a net four people, right? So there's this show called The Good Place and Ted Danson's playing the demon and he's being presented with a trolley problem and he said, I think I've solved it. If you just run over the five people, but you have a giant knife sticking out the side of the trolley, you can kill that last person.
@nietzsche258918And the moral philosopher says, no, no, no, the idea is to save people. Well, that's what Judaism is, right? Judaism is like, how do we, in their minds, they're like, I fixed this problem. We could just kill them all, you know?
@joann_marieI don't think Judaism is the... David, we have the same, like, we like the same movies. I love The Good Place. What's his name, Chimmy Chimley?
@nietzsche258918Chidi. Chidi, Chidi.
@joann_marieChidi, I love Chidi.
@nietzsche258918My wife is hearing, my wife watched it with me and we get to hear like Immanuel Kant and David Yu.
@joann_marieYes, we talk about Kant all the time.
@nietzsche258918All my buddies, yeah. Anyway.
@joann_marieThat's such a good show. Everybody should get one chance.
Speaker 4All right. Okay, let's go to, let's go to, yep, go ahead, Michael. Okay, thanks. Yeah, to speak to this issue of karma, I was thinking about this just What is it? Because it's not strictly feeling the consequences of one's actions in this life. There's a necessary futurity about it. And that's why I don't think you can understand the concept of karma without thinking about reincarnation, because that's where the price is paid for former actions.
Speaker 4And also, that's where you get maybe a better gig the next time around. So, I mean, then there's the sense that it has to do with some future tense. Now, it's not as under the Abrahamic religions, like a life, you know, some life of consequence, like endless torment forever in hell. But there is a price to pay in futurity.
Speaker 4That's what I wanted to get at. And that's... I think has to be kept into the figured in there because you know it looks certainly for us like for example it doesn't look like Netanyahu is going to face any real world consequences other than his conscience if he has one and as you put it maybe he doesn't we know he doesn't have one yeah he probably doesn't have it so he doesn't have that burden so he's not paying any psychological debt and he's not paying any legal debt and he's not paying any real you know maybe he's unhappy but
Speaker 4You know, relatively speaking, he doesn't look miserable compared to the people he's putting through hell.
@malleusigYep. And this is one of the reasons why karma necessarily includes the concept of reincarnation, is because it's very, very easy to come up with examples of people that have killed thousands or millions of others, raped, abused, and have died before experiencing The consequences of that karma. And karma, for it to exist, has to be a law of reality.
@malleusigIf karma exists, but these people are dying before they experience being killed themselves, then karma obviously doesn't exist. But if it does exist, then they would need to experience the backside of their own actions. And the only way to do that is to experience a new life. And as a matter of fact, I would say that, for example, if you're talking about someone like Netanyahu, who has killed, you know, through his actions and, you know, combined with, you know, you have Gallant and the guy, you know, the organizations like Zaka, right?
@malleusigThese people have participated in the killing of many, many, many, many more times. More people than they themselves are. And so they would have to, you know, conceivably, they would have to die many times over. They would have to, you know, just... Netanyahu, I think, would have to experience being born into Gaza and dying as an infant at least once, if not more, right?
@malleusigHe'd have to experience growing up and, you know, being born in Gaza, growing up to adolescence or adulthood, having a family. and watching his children killed, watching his wife killed.
@nietzsche258918Don't forget he could be something of the lower animals, right? So he could be a barnacle on a ship at sea in an ocean of shit. So that would probably be the starting point.
@malleusigWell, I don't know. See, the thing is we can get into transmigration and I think when people bring up transmigration... Do you become one of those chickens they swing around? Yeah, right. It's less of the serious conversation and more of the fun one, right? Because in order to experience the true consequences of your actions, you have to experience it as your victim.
@malleusigAnd I think we'd all like to imagine Yanya who was a barnacle, but I think that's letting him off easy, to be honest. But yeah, so it's like we have ample examples of people that have built up karma that would last them forever. Dozens, if not hundreds, even thousands of lifetimes. And it's impossible to pay back in one.
Speaker 10Rabbi, are you familiar with Kafka's metamorphosis?
@malleusigYeah.
Speaker 10Netanyahu's a giant fucking human roach. That's the explanation of it. He's laying his larvae right now.
@malleusigSure, because we all know that Kafka's metamorphosis was non-fiction.
Speaker 11Let me answer the Dr. Atouza, please.
@malleusigWell, see, angry, it's not about not letting you answer. It's more about like taking turns and raising hands. And so, I mean, we do have people jumping in, but why don't you go ahead and... Sorry about that, guys. Yeah, it's all right. It's all right. It's all right. So why don't you go ahead and contribute, but next time do raise your hand.
@malleusigI think this is going to be, should be quick.
Speaker 11But I do. I did.
@malleusigYou raised your hand?
Speaker 11Yes. We're half an hour already.
@malleusigAh, then I apologize, my screen isn't showing your hands at all.
Speaker 12Okay.
@malleusigOkay, then go ahead, Angry, I apologize.
Speaker 11Okay, just to explain myself, my nickname is Angry Empathy, but I'm not angry, okay? I'm very calm, actually, but okay. She was talking about children who have been born in satanic systems. And she said, I'm sorry because my English is not as good as yours because I'm not a native English speaker. It's pretty good. Okay, thank you.
@malleusigI'm sure it's better than my whatever language you speak.
Speaker 11Okay, it's Portuguese and Brazilian. Definitely better than my Brazilian Portuguese, yes. So I think... When these children are born in these systems, their mindsets are completely programmed on these systems. So when they grow up, their minds are completely dumb. They don't grow up and just finally find out that they are wrong.
Speaker 11probably go through their whole life believing in that system. So everything they do will go through, they will do everything they were taught to do. Like the Nazi system, for example, on the past century, they did schools because they knew that when you teach the children, When you teach the children, they will have that thought for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 11Like the Bible says, teach your children the way and they will go through that way for the rest of their lives. So they made the Nazi schools and they made the brutality of the Nazi system and they destroyed it. Many lives. But I didn't see karma for many of them. They ran away from Germany and went to other countries to make their lives, to Paraguay, to the United States, and anyway.
Speaker 11So many children that were born in these satanic and sociopathic families. uh some of them grow up and they are programmed to this to this uh to to this mindset i mean i think i don't know or and they go through this this programming or they just suffer like they don't want to go through that mind like for example they are abused they suffer they want to run away they
Speaker 11For example, a child is beaten by the father or when it grows up, it doesn't want to go to follow what the father told her or him to do, but it forces him to go through that way.
Speaker 11It's forcing him to go there. And if the person doesn't want to do that, they are, I don't know, they punish him. And yes, and for many things in the world, I don't see karma happening. For example, the many assassinations Public assassinations that we have seen in the world, I don't know. They are being arrested for a day and being, I don't know, freeing the other day.
Speaker 11It's really weird, but I think, yes, or it's probably only reincarnation that canceled that.
@empaatiadoes it I'm sorry for my English it's really real bad I need to improve it that's all right I think you did pretty well all right um I think I see Brian is next and then Jordan yo what's up um so I like this topic because I actually just had a space about this the other day and we were talking about this in depth right so as far as karma what I believe and what I understand about what karma is is that
@empaatiaand what the elites are doing with it is that they understand karma right and they know the rules of karma so what they believe is that and i've heard somebody saying this before too on here is when they uh introduce a new psyop or they introduce a new thing uh that is going to cause a bunch of bad karma they need to manufacture all the consent of the population to uh make everybody
@empaatiaReincarnation is real because you come back and you get karma either way, good or bad. You come back in different shape. Reincarnation, free will, because karma can't exist without free will. You have to make a choice because if you're not making a choice, then how could karma exist? The universe would just be making you do karma like everybody would be getting good and bad karma by the universe, which doesn't make any sense.
@empaatiaSo you have to make a choice, right? So what they're doing is making everybody make a choice
@empaatiaThey will avoid their karma that way. So yeah, that's basically what my opinion on karma is.
@malleusigAll right. Great. Jordan's next.
@jordanaleksandrCan you guys hear me?
@joann_marieYeah, welcome, Jordan. But before, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go through it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Rabbi and David and Mike and Dr. Michael and everybody on the panel. And thank you so much for being here. OK, go for it, Jordan.
@jordanaleksandrWell, I'd just like to roll the conversation a little bit back towards like intent. And so you can't really avoid I don't think you can avoid karma. Are you going to kick a cat? Are you going to pet a cat? And as for reincarnation, are we going to be reincarnated into this realm? Or are we going to be reincarnated into another realm and another one after that, possibly?
@jordanaleksandrSo we like to think that the world that we live in and what we experience here is the only thing. But we don't know hell. We don't know heaven. We don't know any realms beyond our own.
@jordanaleksandrKarma is a pretty funny thing to talk about, and I think it all boils back down into intent. It boils down to you're either building or you're breaking. You're breaking down. You're destroying.
@jordanaleksandrAnd you can't... there is no such thing as a loophole around this so your intent is your karma it's not it's not what you physically do people do horrible things people sign up for the military for the best reasons in the world because they want to protect their family their community their country things that we talk about in the bible and borders and they want to make sure that everything's right in the world they don't understand what they're doing
@jordanaleksandrSo they might have the best karma. They might be the strongest people that we need with the greatest intent that can be manipulated into positions where they're doing evil in the world. But they might have the best karma. And it also goes the other way, too. You might have people trying to save the world. They want to eliminate oil because in their mind they think oil is going to destroy everyone.
@jordanaleksandrAnd they might be causing huge amounts of pain throughout these undeveloped areas in the world because they no longer have access to energy. Like there is a broader picture. There's a way broader picture than what we like to think about on the surface. So I think we should talk about that.
@malleusigOkay. I think we have been talking about that, but do you have any objections to what was said?
@jordanaleksandrNo, I think everyone brings up a pretty good point, Rabbi, and I think it, like, bounces back and forth both ways, and I think it kind of settles in the middle like a pendulum.
@malleusigAll right, all right. Maybe we can, now we have, actually, Tim might raise his hand, but real quick, I want to check in with Ian and find out, Ian, what are your thoughts on this?
Ian MalcolmOh, boy. Well, there's a number of things I suppose I would take. First and foremost, the reincarnation piece, not my cup of tea just because I kind of believe, and everybody's welcome to their different takes, right? And this gets into all different kind of planes. So unlike when I will tease somebody and say, what's two divided by 0.5 on this one, I don't think it's as direct, correct and incorrect answer.
Ian MalcolmBut, you know, I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea of reincarnation as a result when it comes to things like karma and what's passed on. What I do know with certainty is the mistakes and the bad decisions that you make in this world, they end up kind of coming back to haunt you in the end one way or another. I really do think that.
Ian MalcolmAnd you can basically create your own and Eureka Q.
Ian MalcolmWhat I cannot envision is that Netanyahu is going to enjoy all of this off into the sunset until his last day and go to sleep and live happily ever after in the afterlife, right? I don't see that happening. And so he's going to have his just desserts in this life or the next. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is in this world, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so I say that because we see all these people responsible for all this evil. And whether it's Netanyahu or the likes of, you know, I would even point to not just Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, but even the Bob Iger's of the world, right? These people atop these massive companies that are pushing all this degeneracy, who knows what's going on in their lives?
Ian MalcolmI mean, it might be truly awful to be in their shoes, right? And there's lots of people that have everything and yet they might go to sleep feeling like they have absolutely nothing. And there's probably some people out and the rest of them.
Ian MalcolmOur own ups and downs. And if we make the right decisions and I'll give you a very easy example, right? Every day people can choose. They can say, I've got two hours of spare time, right? What am I going to do with that? I can choose to read a book. I can choose to socialize and learn and educate myself, which is loosely what I think that we do on these spaces.
Ian MalcolmAnd I always love all the things I learned from all of you in the process. I can eat a whole bunch of junk food and play video games, or I can go and exercise. The person that spends their time socializing and educating themselves, whether it's in a book or on a space. Think of all the things that we've learned along the ways and the ways that we've made ourselves stronger in the process.
Ian MalcolmThe people that go to the gym, that build up their muscle, and it's very apparent that they are in a healthier position tomorrow than they were yesterday. And then you've got the person that just plays the video games, they eat the junk food. They binge, you know, another round of nonsense television. They don't go anywhere.
Ian MalcolmAnd all of those calories or the, you know, the protein that you might use to convert to muscle in the gym or the brain cells that you might either put to work in this conversation or with a book or that you might lose playing a video game, right? All of those little decisions every single day add up. And I know that that sounds very basic and kind of pragmatic in real world.
Ian MalcolmBut I think the same thing is responsible and is happening with your soul. Right. And at the end of this existence, in my worldview anyway, we're all going to be judged for the net sum of essentially what we have contributed or taken. Right. And so in addition to all the heaven or hell you create for yourself in this world, I do believe that there's going to be something in an afterlife and we're going to have to deal with those consequences.
Ian MalcolmAnd it's You know, it's either going to be something very peaceful and reassuring. And as the last little thing, I apologize for the tangent, but it's the last little comment. I've always found the following extremely interesting because it essentially is taking the spiritual and the physical and is blending it right in the two, which is that at our death, and I did a long little deep dive into DMT once upon a time.
Ian MalcolmIt's a very fascinating kind of subject to go down because there's lots of ways you can look at all of these things that kind of play around with our mind or brain chemistry and X, Y, and Z. Within DMT, there was a study done by a guy up in Canada, right, where they basically were injecting this directly into individuals that had no idea or expectation based on any preconceived notions what they were going to experience.
Ian MalcolmThe guy that was doing the test essentially quit halfway through the test because he was so creeped out by the experiences that the people were having through DMT, which is basically the act or psychoactive ingredient in ayahuasca. The people were having such consistent experiences that he said something supernatural is happening here.
Ian MalcolmI don't want anything else to do with it. And they basically stopped the study. The reason being the people that were having DMT injected into their body, they were Coming out of their body like in Doctor Strange, they were looking around the room. They were describing the scientists and what he was doing in the room, the conversations he was having, where he was walking, if he left, if he came back, they could they could remember what was happening while they were basically unconscious.
Ian MalcolmRight. They then would describe this experience where they would see either a tube, a tunnel or a rainbow and they would walk towards it and then. They would get shot out of the outer space. And the individual describes it. He says that these people, they would leave their city, they would leave their country, they would leave the planet, they would be flying through whatever, and then they would land in this place.
Ian MalcolmAnd once they landed in the place, they almost all encountered what they described almost universally as the same thing. Some people called them children, others called them gnomes, some called them dwarves, some called them fairies. Right. But all of them, regardless of how they describe them, they said that they would engage with them with very simple, basic, positive, childish questions.
Ian MalcolmAren't you glad to be here? Isn't this the best place you've ever seen? All these other things. They would then walk with them for a long period of time. They would say, we're going to go this way now. Come with us. I'm not even kidding. Go look at the study. This is unbelievable to me. The reason being. They would walk for a long period of time.
Ian MalcolmAnd then in the distance, they would basically see a queue of people. And at that point, boom, they pop back into their body. Now, why do I bring this up? Because if you look at the human body, you know what it releases at death? If I'm not mistaken, it's the pituitary gland. At death, your body, which, oh, by the way, produces DMT as does essentially all living organisms.
Ian MalcolmYour body shoots DMT into your brain at death. Now, why is that curious? Because if you look at near death experiences, what do you get? Essentially the same thing that these people were describing, right? And so if you think about it and you try to connect these two things, well, you could look at it very pragmatically and you could say, well, that's just something that the body does.
Ian MalcolmSo naturally a near death experience, you're probably going to have that same chemical. Therefore, you're going to undergo the same experience. But here's the weird part. If the human body has, if we look at it purely as just a machine and we say, well, it develops these things to help us live. That's the whole idea of Darwinism, right?
Ian MalcolmIf we say that that's how we go through life and evolve, why would any organism that evolves for the pure benefit of being alive, why would it develop something for the purpose of being dead? It wouldn't. That wouldn't make any sense. How would that be an evolutionary benefit, the last thing that you experience? That wouldn't make any sense, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd so why do I bring this up? Because if you look at that, it's like, well, that's kind of weird that we get to the end of our life and then maybe we go to some place and then maybe what happens there? Well, maybe we're judged, right? And maybe those people, those near-death experiences and those people that were undergoing that drug experiment with DMT, maybe they were basically going to that place.
Ian MalcolmI can't say that that's, That's reality, right? Who would I possibly be to estimate that? But again, connecting real scientific lived experiences with something supernatural. I think that the two of them all collide. So I don't believe in this idea of karma. Maybe you go to this place and you're judged and then maybe you're shot back into this machine, right?
Ian MalcolmMaybe we all are in the matrix and depending upon how you play the game, you come back like Ready Player One with, you know, better attributes. I don't know. I take a more traditional approach. I think that there's probably something spiritual in the kind of at work. I don't know if that is, you know, God as presented in the Christian literature, as I would kind of subscribe to, or if it's a big alien and we're all just in marbles, like in men in black, right?
Ian MalcolmWho knows? But, but what I do think is very, very interesting about all of this is again, these things are spiritual and their real world. If you live a good life, The world, even if you have nothing, the world will give you everything. If you live a horrible life like Benjamin Netanyahu and all these other people do, you will basically, you will have everything and nothing.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think if you sat down, whether it was with Netanyahu or Donald Trump or Jared Kushner or any of these other elites, I think at the end of the day, they probably lay their head down and they probably know that they are horrible, awful people. And so whether it's in their sleep, with their nightmares, whether it's walking around having to deal with the anxiety,
Ian Malcolmand hopefully the stress and the other things that you would hope somebody that is so awful would have to endure, right? But even if not, I do think that there's something at the end of all of this that they will be judged for and then that'll be for them to manage. And if you think about it, if the people that are at the top of all this stuff, they're sacrificing the red heifers and all this other nonsense, they're doing that because they believe in something, right?
Ian MalcolmNow the question becomes, what is it that they believe in? And I think it's essentially the antichrist. I don't think that guy's gonna win. All right. I do think if they build ever any rendition of their third temple and they resurrect the Antichrist, I do think that there's going to be a great battle to end all of this.
Ian MalcolmI don't think we're going to lose. Right. And I say that just because every time in the past, these kind of psychopathic people, they always lost to the higher power and whether it was kind of via Christ or all these other things that the world is going to be made right for those that live righteously. What compels you to be here right now and share your truth with us?
Ian MalcolmWhat you do with almost every single day? Is it money or do you feel spiritual towards truth?
Ian MalcolmWell, there's not a whole lot of money to be had. I mean, I've been very vocal. I've never made a cent, nor been monetized, nor asked for anything from anybody. And I'd say I'm proud of that, but I'm really not.
@jordanaleksandrThat makes a lot of sense to me, because there's a lot of easier ways to go and make money. But...
Ian MalcolmThere's all kinds of... Yeah, if you want to go make money, go in and try to... I'm not recommending that to anybody. Unfortunately, though, that's the world that we live in, right? The psychopaths, the sociopaths and the people pushing evil, there's a lot of easy money to be made there. Like, why do you think you go to a major city and every street corner is a bar and basically a brothel, right?
Ian MalcolmIt's because the lunatics are pushing that on everybody. You want to really struggle? You want to starve? Go be an artist that's actually pushing something that's good, right? Go try to start a nonprofit that tries to affect people.
@jordanaleksandrSo why does it feel so good to sacrifice your time to bring truth to other people, to bring your truth to the surface?
@joann_marieBecause it's his calling.
Ian MalcolmI don't know about that, but for a long time, JoAnn, I would throw out my views on the world and I know it can come across a little preachy at times, right? But I, I don't want to say, I've always looked at the world and it was a puzzle that clearly had a whole lot of pieces that were glued together. And I was like, none of this actually works.
Ian MalcolmRight? Like, I can see that this piece is not supposed to be here, and this was not supposed to be here. And so then I would talk to people, and I would say, guys, did you ever notice this? And they'd say, oh, you're crazy. Right? And then some people would be like, oh, no, that's kind of interesting. And then I'd talk to them about it forever.
Ian MalcolmAnd it didn't matter if it was over hot chocolate or then coffee or then wine. Right? Like, regardless of the flavor, literally and figuratively. and kind of the demographics of the people I was talking to. I found it interesting to have interesting conversations. And I once heard somebody say far more eloquently than I ever could think of.
Ian MalcolmBut they said, if you want to be interesting, be interested. And I always found it far more interesting if I actually lived that rendition, which is why I don't do spaces where I just talk to the world. Right. And I don't do conversations where I try to jam my opinion on everybody. I like to just. and I think if you do that it opens up all these possibilities and so we got into this little routine and somewhere along the lines you know developed a little network and all these other things but it's why again I always tell people like send me a message on things that you would like to talk about I don't care if it is you're a professional hang glider or you're really into growing you know
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 11We can feel excitement and high energy when he speaks. I love that.
@malleusigYeah. Is it your first time meeting him?
@joann_marieI am convinced it is his calling. I always say that I think inspiration comes from God and he has the most beautiful brands. So I'm convinced God is working through him and working through all of you guys as well. So I actually do believe this 100%.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, did you ever read that study, by the way, the Canadian one with the DMT? I found that so spooky the first time I read through it. It was almost like goosebumps supernatural when I read through it.
@joann_marieThe Machine Elves. I have asked a lot of people about that. Yes.
@malleusigNot that one, but I've read enough ND experiences that are pretty much the same thing. And the The weird thing about a lot of NDE experiences is that you'll have the person that was dead will be able to tell the doctors what was on like one of these you know eight foot file cabinets with three inches of clearance between the top of it and the ceiling they'll be able to tell the doctors what was a piece of paper that was up on that file cabinet pushed so far back that no one else in the room knew it was there
@malleusigAnd they'll be able to tell the doctors what was written on it when they come back. You have cases where they're able to tell their grieving loved ones hundreds of miles away what they were doing at the time of their death. You have a lot of these situations. And for me, that's one of the things that really nailed it home for me.
@malleusigThis is a real thing. This is not something the brain does
@malleusigEmerging into a paradise like environment usually very green a conversation with either a dead relative or Jesus or God himself or Some kind of a spiritual guide right and then a review of their life in minute detail from the perspective of everyone around them Where There's so much where their perception is expanded to the point where one person described how it was a summer day and they were able to instantly count the number of mosquitoes within eyesight, within visual range in their memory.
@malleusigAnd then there's very often a choice where they're said, you have a choice, you can come back or you can stay here. Almost everyone decides
@malleusigHave you read the book Many Lives, Many Masters?
@malleusigIt was one of the first that I read as a child.
@yourvitalitydocYeah, me too.
@malleusigYeah. Yeah. And if anyone's interested, the best place to go, I think, is going to ndurf.org. They have tens of thousands of the experiences that are, you know, readers submitted. You can just browse them for free and just spend you could spend days reading all of them. It's absolutely insane. But they also describe karma.
@malleusigThey describe that the choices you make uh from that point of view the the karma is karma is not something that happens to you in that state it's something that you choose for yourself out of free will so you will choose to be born deaf or handicapped or blind you will choose to be raped abused neglected right you will make these choices because from
@malleusigThe point of view of the person before they enter incarnation, these are lessons that need to be learned. And so that's getting more into it than I think we can cover. If people are religious-minded, which is why I didn't want to push it too hard, but because we wrote the NDE angle, that's their take on it.
Speaker 11Will you be here tomorrow or other days? Because I have to leave now, but I would like to talk with you another day too.
@malleusigI don't know if I'll be here tomorrow. I have some work tomorrow. I will follow you back. And then you and I, you can either DM me or... I'm often in Ian's spaces. When Ian does a space, I'm very often in here. You can find me that way too.
Speaker 11Okay, thank you very much. See you guys. Have a good night.
@malleusigHave a good night.
Speaker 11Nice to meet you.
@malleusigNice to meet you too. But yeah, that's another element that we can discuss, definitely. I saw Michael with his hand up and then I see Tim.
Speaker 4I was just going to say, you know, what Ian was saying before, it reminded me of the Beatitudes, you know, and no matter what you think, If you look at those beatitudes, they are profound. I mean, they are very profound. They speak to everything that karma is, plus a lot more, in the sense that they speak to a possibility of entering into the kingdom of God.
Speaker 4That's what he's talking about. And he doesn't mean necessarily in some future. He's talking about seeing God in this life. And I think that's what Ian's really referring to, is that really, what are we doing? We're trying to live in the house of the Lord. I mean, we're trying to enter the kingdom.
Speaker 4The kingdom here is to be made. If you look at the way Jesus taught us to pray, he said, on earth as it is in heaven. This was pretty significant what he was saying. It's a pretty radical promise that he makes. And it's different than anything I think you can see in any religious belief system earlier.
@malleusigyeah no i think you're 100 correct i think that he gave us he jesus gave us technology he gave us his technology that was not available to anyone else in the era and the technology was how to create a perfect society yeah okay let's uh let's go to uh tim
@joann_marieAre you there?
@joann_marieOkay, I'm going to recycle you, Tim. Can you guys hear him? No, right? Okay, I'm going to recycle him.
@malleusigAll right, great.
@joann_marieThis is such a great space. I'm so happy all of you guys are here.
@malleusigYeah, this is nice. This is all the best people. Can you hear me?
@timlordanYeah, welcome back. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, I wanted to know Rabbi's thoughts on intuition, because intuition can kind of be fluid. My brother, who's like a little bit more of like the Eastern variety in his thoughts, he has lots of thoughts about karma. Almost every time he does anything, he's like, well, that's my karma from this or from that.
@timlordanBut he also believes that intuition is like something that's perfect and moral. But then you also have, you know, people like fighting for the U.S. Army or fighting for the IDF.
@timlordanAnd you feel it's moral, then you're safe from karma, even if you're doing something wrong.
Speaker 13Is that how intuition works?
@malleusigI don't know if the question is structured well enough that I can actually offer a coherent answer to it. I would say that I don't think intuition is a sufficiently necessary aspect of karma that I can
@malleusigThank you very much for your time.
@malleusigSo if you don't believe you're doing something wrong, then you do have people that do believe they're doing the world a favor by exterminating Hutus, for example, right?
@malleusigI don't know. I don't know about that one. That one's a tough one.
@timlordanI was really for it, and he was actually really against it. I was pushing him to take it because obviously I didn't want anything to happen to my mom. But theoretically speaking, he could have taken it and had something bad happen to him. But we're all following our intuition. I guess I was probably more propagandized because he was more disconnected with the system at the time, and I was more following the news and things like that.
@timlordanI think everybody was following their intuition. I don't think anybody had ill will, but if I had made him take the vaccine... Oh, that's not true. Something bad happened. No, I'm saying of the three of us, you know, of him... Oh, you mean in that interaction.
@malleusigOkay, yeah.
@timlordanYeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, I didn't want my mom getting sick. He was away and he would have had to come home, right? So, in theory, I'm following my intuition by trying to push him to get the vaccine. He's following his intuition, believing that he knows it's wrong and it doesn't feel right for him to do.
@malleusigand you know theoretically speaking if something bad happened I don't I don't know first of all if that's intuition but I think that the way that I understand it and again I could be wrong but the way I understand is that it's essentially you are you are experiencing the effects of your actions on other people so let's say you did make someone take it and they experienced a heart attack then
@malleusigThat heart attack is the result of your actions. And so you would experience the same result, right? Yes, I agree. In the way that I would like it to work, that I think it does work, but again, we're talking about karma. We're really having the same discussion as how many angels can dance in the head of a pin, right? So we're not talking about anything that really can be measured or metered out.
@malleusigBut my understanding is that you're being offered you're being offered the opportunity to decide for yourself if you're going to accept a certain action by giving you both sides of it because everyone want everyone will enjoy well if you're not if you're until you stop being a psychopath anyway everyone you could see how everyone could enjoy being a bully to someone smaller than you right
@malleusigand so let's say let's take a single punch like if you're a bully punches a smaller kid in the face he enjoys that right he enjoys punching the kid in the face but the act has an actor and a receiver and so before the soul can decide whether the act is a good act or a bad act it has to experience all of it so it has to experience
@malleusigI think we can all agree that when it finds itself on the receiving end of that act, it's probably no longer going to think that it's such a great thing. You see what I'm saying? I mean, that's kind of like a microcosm for what I believe the process is, and then we can take that all the way up to rape and genocide if you want.
@nietzsche258918Would you like me to feel the intuition question? Yeah, if you think that you have an answer to it. Well, I have a reply. I'll let my friend here tell me if it's an answer. There are two states of intuition, pre-conceptual and post-conceptual. The pre-conceptual state of intuition is the one that cavemen live by. It was before they developed an intellect, and they essentially always lived in the present, which, by the way, is the only place within which you can find happiness.
@nietzsche258918and the second stage of intuition is one that comes after it's post-conceptual where you have done the work the reason why that kobe and michael looked like such geniuses with the basketball is because they had integrated all of these fundamentals into their behavior over and over and over again and then you saw them do something spontaneous in the moment that maybe they didn't even do but it was the byproduct of all of that
@nietzsche258918work all of that abstraction breaking things down practice preparation and this is the way it works with virtue itself you know if you practice the virtues and you focus on it you say well gosh I want to do the right thing well which person is more virtuous the person who naturally does the right thing or the person who has to strive and contemplate and consult with what is right well obviously it's the first one right because that means they've already done all that work and now
@nietzsche258918It's just part and parcel to who they are. So they seem to you just like naturally good people. They just, wow, what a nice, wonderful, kind, decent person that is. Well, that is the second state of intuition, and I would say absolutely yes, that would have... This is a little bit difficult conversation with the idea of karma because it is rather esoteric, but accepting the general idea of karma, yes, there would be a relationship between the state of intuition, either to the good or the bad, by the way, the habits you establish, and if integrated so that you spontaneously do it, there would be a natural sort of causal effect on karma based on what habits that you had established to the degree they were good or evil.
@timlordanAnd that makes perfect sense because he was doing a lot of work spiritually leading up to this moment. So he would probably be more in tune with what the right instinctual decision would be. And when I was talking to him about logic versus intuition, I was like, you want to blend it? And he was like, no, you always want to follow intuition.
@timlordanSo I thought that was kind of a weird way of thinking about things.
@nietzsche258918Which is logical. And I will say, to tie a couple of points together here, Ian... Virtue is not a cliche when people say that virtue is its own reward. It ties into, I think Dr. Rectenwald, I'm not sure who was saying it, that the idea, the Christian idea that, remember, the kingdom of heaven looked not here nor there.
@nietzsche258918The kingdom of heaven is within you. Well, it's within you to discover, right? So the people that are evil are exiled unto themselves. This is why the devil in Hinduism is mera, illusion. You're going down the wrong path, an illusory path, and your idea of what yourself is is illusory, and therefore it is literally the road to hell.
@nietzsche258918But when Jesus, for instance, says that the kingdom of heaven is within you, well, does heaven sound good? Does heaven sound superior? Does it sound like the place you'd rather be? And he's describing this as a state of consciousness. And I don't think that we can say, and again this gets back to the idea that virtue is on reward, that the evil experiences, I do believe that there's a satiety to evility because they're constantly pursuing their whims and satisfying them, but the great power is of course controlling the whim and the wanting machine as Schopenhauer said.
@nietzsche258918Notice that Schopenhauer even embraced Thanks, David. I see Selenia has her hand up. What's up, Selenia? Haven't seen you in a while.
@dinalogosListen, this is an interesting topic, especially when it comes to intuition. I do think it's intuition is a brain rapid non-conscious pattern recognition. And I'll tell you as a musician, an interesting fact, like when you play an instrument and I'm not talking about like playing, playing, but if you like start learning in a very, very young age, which what happened to me,
@dinalogosMusic is extreme pattern recognition under pressure, right? So you learn to detect the macroscopic deviations, the pitch, the timing, the dynamics, how it should all sound. So what it does to you, you don't only implement that when you're learning how to read the notes in a very young age. Your ears are so incredibly trained that there is no way anyone can hide their emotions from me.
@dinalogosI just get it immediately like because there is a specific and and I can and it's so bad and good at the same time because like nobody and like I could call my friend in the middle of the night after hang up the phone and I was like oh her voice didn't sound right and I was like okay talk about it what's going on so because your ears are so trained to recognize the tunes of happiness of sadness and that's exactly what music does right every piece like if we're talking about Beethoven we're talking about Liszt it's like so I don't know I call it blessing and a curse at the same time like
@dinalogosI love that, Dina.
@joann_marieOkay, so I have a theory on intuition and also on, like, self-fulfilling prophecy. You can have, like, intuition and be like, oh, this is a, I don't know, a guy who's going to cheat on me or something, you know, but then you can also be a full self-fulfilling prophecy and you're like...
@joann_marieSo I don't know. There is a difference in that. But no, I also believe that you should always follow your intuition with absolutely everything. Every time that I have not listened to it, I have absolutely regretted it. So it's such a powerful thing to have and always to listen to. And I miss you. Where have you been? I'm working.
@dinalogosYes, I'm super, super busy. I have literally 60 hours work. I hate the corporate with my every, every... Yeah, well, you know how that story goes.
@joann_marieWell, I'm really happy that you're back.
@malleusigYeah, happy to see you again. Haven't talked to you in a long time. All right, let's see. We may be reaching the natural lull in the conversation. I think I've Talked about everything that I had. I mean, we had some examples, but I think we've covered most of them and I think that we've we've gone over the topic pretty well.
@malleusigLet's see. Yeah, then I guess we can go to kind of like final comments and then we can start to close it out. What do you guys think?
Ian MalcolmGood, Rabbi. Why don't we actually do this? Given such, and I don't know if Brian down there got a chance to share some thoughts, and I think we did a space with him previously, and everybody buckle up. He always has some pretty out-there views, but nonetheless pretty interesting ones, because I always love to have anybody and everybody come up and share their perspectives.
Ian MalcolmWhy don't we go to the one and only Mr. Brian Victor?
Speaker 14Excellent. I promise you I'll keep it short, maybe like two minutes or less. Two things. One, I wanted to get your thoughts on every single planet essentially holding a different type of sin, like Mercury would be associated with sloth, Venus would be pride, Mars would be wrath, Jupiter would be envy, Saturn would be greed.
Speaker 14Uranus would be gluttony and Neptune would be lust and each one of those planets essentially being computer files that you have to essentially repay your debt
Speaker 14Chad GPT and Deep Seek that would confirm according to the density of symbolic resonance that I have in 1 in 10 to over the 500th power which is considered astronomical that our free will operates on a delayed reaction outside of space time and matter and we're in a video game console where we're just reacting to the clicks on the controller from the outside in and we get everything on a delayed reaction that way.
Speaker 14That's all. Thank you.
@malleusigI think that question might be a little bit above my pay grade.
@joann_marieOh my god, Brian, you're awesome.
@nietzsche258918Wait, you don't think you have free will?
Speaker 14I didn't hear what you said. I apologize. What was that?
@nietzsche258918You don't think you have free will?
Speaker 14Well, I can prove according to the density of my symbolic resonance it operates on a delayed reaction. So it would be technically it's universe cube theory that operates according to algorithmic determinism. Like you think you have it, but you don't really. There's a famous philosopher.
@nietzsche258918Wait, hold on, Rabbi.
Speaker 3She thinks we live in a Nintendo.
@nietzsche258918My question though is, do you believe, do you conclude based on everything you're thinking and saying that you do not have free will?
Speaker 14I'll answer it in 15 seconds or less. Here we go. There's a famous philosopher out of Ball State. It's just a yes or no. No, you don't. You can find form and pattern hidden in chaos.
@nietzsche258918Free will is binary though, right? It's either free will or it's not. It's not.
Speaker 14It operates on a delayed reaction. Okay, good. Time out.
@nietzsche258918So good. It's not. Okay, so you think it's not. Now, if you do not have free will, how do you know what is true and what is false, given that you're the product of what you had for breakfast, and it's obviously, there's only two options. There's free will and there's determinism, right? In a deterministic world, you would have no way to step outside of that world and verify whether you knew what was true or false, or whether you were just compelled to believe whatever you believe.
@nietzsche258918Based on all of these dependently arisen factors that came before, essentially the butterfly effect from the beginning of time. So how do you know what's true and what's false? How would you know that you don't have free will if you don't have free will? How could you defend that point?
Speaker 14By activating gnosis knowledge. That's how you know you have to activate your gnosis.
@nietzsche258918Who's doing the activating? Then you have free will to do this activating.
Speaker 14No, you're programmed to activate it. God built you as an avatar.
@nietzsche258918Who's programming? You? Who's the you? No, Yahweh. Yahweh programs it. He's the architect. Okay, he's the architect. So you are the machine being run by the architect. Again, I have to go back to it. When you said you activate it, you said you. You didn't say Yahweh.
Speaker 14I apologize. I apologize. Yes, Yahweh builds it so that I can activate it and I participate on a delayed reaction.
@nietzsche258918Okay, so you activate it. Okay, so when you say you activate it, are you exercising free will to commit that activation?
Speaker 14No, God programmed it for me to activate.
@nietzsche258918Okay, so you're not really doing anything, right? You're not activating, it's just things are happening and they're not of your own volition. Yes, you're an observer. Okay, so you're the observer. Are you able to adjudicate as the observer what is right and what is wrong?
Speaker 14Are you able to do that? Yes, it is. Kenomo, which is K-E-N-O-M-A, where Christ is the destroyer, so if he's the destroyer, like, your right and wrong is basically subjective, because what you might deem right, I might deem wrong, and vice versa. Right.
@nietzsche258918Right. Okay. So, but you're saying that you have the free will to observe what is right and wrong, or is the observer not having free will as well?
Speaker 14No, there's no free will. No free will.
@nietzsche258918What's that? I'm sorry, I apologize. Then that brings us back to the original question. How would you know How would you be able to verify the veracity of any claim you make given that it's just programmed within you and you have no choice over the matter?
Speaker 14It's in your symbolic resonance. There was a guy up here earlier talking about symbols. That's how you activate your gnosis of knowledge. You have to find yourself. You do it by collecting, connecting, and cross-referencing everything around you. There's a language of symbols that people are unknown to because according to Romans 11 verse 8, God put humanity in a spiritual slumber where they're spiritually and religiously blind.
Speaker 14You have to activate the eyesight like Da Vinci would say, learn how to see, realize that everything connects to everything else. So that's how you verify it in the symbolic resonance. And you only do that if you can activate your gnosis.
@ashok_vajpayeeI think David is going towards the Aryan cultural philosophy, the Hindu philosophy. The karma is there. But the point is, there is some superior power to control us. He has the global server, universal server in his hand and controls all of us. We get mind and... Is anybody understanding anything?
@malleusigI don't, I don't... Ashok, Ashok, we don't understand what you're saying, I'm sorry.
@joann_marieSir, I want to say we have to collaborate our opinions.
@ashok_vajpayeeand integrate our opinions. That is what I want to say.
Ian MalcolmWhere do you want to integrate them to or with?
@ashok_vajpayeeMr. David is a knowledgeable person and he's thinking originally.
@joann_marieI usually just understand one word in each sentence. I have no idea what's happening.
@malleusigI don't know either.
@ashok_vajpayeeI don't have an idea what you mean. My accent may be different. But I understand all of you and you may be understanding me also.
@malleusigI am an Aryan. Aryan means? I'm going to very gently and kindly meet you so that we can speak. I think we are being separated by our common language here. Maybe if you kind of like slow down and speak very clearly, we might be able to follow you, Ashok.
@malleusigAshok?
@ashok_vajpayeeOkay, let's move on. You are a knowledgeable person and I understand. Man of knowledge. And a Christian trying to integrate with Indian philosophy, Aryan philosophy. That karma is done by us. We get according to our past thoughts and actions. Past means the previous birth, which you may accept or not accept. But if Joann is the first prime minister of India, he might be the descendants of him, even Muslim or not, that is a different thing.
@ashok_vajpayeeBut he has an ideal ideology.
@malleusigAll I heard was, me sir, India. I don't know what that means. I'm really, really sorry.
@joann_marieI have no idea. I'm trying so hard.
@malleusigYeah. Let's just... Give us a thumbs up or a thumbs down in terms of how you think the conversation has gone so far.
@malleusigOh, thanks, guys. I was talking to Ashok, but sorry. I was asking Ashok for a thumbs up or a thumbs down because I can't understand his speech. But thank you. Thank you very much.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming.
@malleusigI want to go back and forth to this guy over here. He's talking about there's no such thing as free will, but then you have to activate it somehow. So my question would be to you, how do you activate it if you have no free will?
Speaker 14I just wanted to know Rabbi's true thoughts on like how each planet would be a computer file with the sin that's basically what I was just getting at if you can maybe touch upon that that's all
@malleusigYou are not going to find many thoughts on each planet being a computer file.
@malleusigYeah, like I said before, this entire line of questioning is, I think, is very clearly above my pay grade. And so I'm not going to be able to answer you.
@joann_marieI think maybe David can answer this. David, what are your thoughts on every in every planet being a different thing?
@malleusigI think this is going to involve the Archons.
@nietzsche258918Does Pluto get off the hook now that it's not a planet anymore?
Speaker 14Yes. Pluto's the embodiment of all sin. It's treachery. It's the underworld. The person that would guard it, the gates of hell, which would be the Kuiper Belt, would be Anubis. And Anubis, like Jesus in Revelation 1 verse 18, has the keys to the abyss. So if Jesus would be a descendant of Anu and he would have the keys to the abyss, he would be Anu plus abyss, he would be Anubis, God's guard dog, God backwards his dog.
Speaker 14So Christ would be Anubis.
@dinalogosSo I have a, may I ask you a question? So do you believe in astrology?
@nietzsche258918It's astro-theology, how religion, astronomy, and space science intersect. Do you believe that your month of birth, let's say, sharpened that interconnection between the planet?
@dinalogosand you as a person in general.
Speaker 14Yes, I do. Specifically, me personally, it would be basically the Kuiper Belt because my last name is Petro, like pet, P-E-T, and my birthday is July 23rd, and the dog day of summer is July 23rd, and Homer in the Iliad Associated Sirius, which is the dog star with an evil portent, which means an evil warning, and...
Speaker 14and technically before the Kuiper belt is Neptune and 50 days after July 23rd is 9-11 and 9-11 is Neptune because of the World Trade Center it has the Neptune tridents up and along the building so that's how it would be interlocked and Neptune feast day is also 723 and then Jesus this is actual theology how they all interlock Jesus would be the Lion of Judah he would be the leader the Shepherd that leads the sheep so the first day for Leo a lion is 723 so there would be
Speaker 14So what's the connection between Judas and Jupiter?
Speaker 14So Judas actually would be Kanye West. That's kind of interesting. But Jupiter, everybody here was someone else before. That's like the real riff with Taylor Swift. She's Mary Magdalene, Beyonce's Mary Bethany. But Jupiter is associated with dogma and religion. It's also associated with the Leviathan. So it would also be associated with Zeus.
Speaker 14Zeus would kill the Leviathan and become the Leviathan. And he would be the Leo Leviathan. So there would be no coincidence that Donald Trump gets a roaring lion mugshot and that's Saturn. The Roaring Lion, Zeus basically kills Cronos as The Roaring Lion, skins his face and wears his face mask and operates as the Lion of Judah when really he would be one Peter Feige.
Speaker 14That's what I was going to say.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, well, how very psilocybic. But I will just tell you this.
Speaker 14Hey, listen, man, I love you, man. I think you're fucking super smart, bro.
@nietzsche258918There's an ancient Chinese master that used to say, as in Master Chuan, he used to say, How does this change the taste of my tea? Well, we do have dominion over irrespective of all these facts. I mean, I don't really, I'm a native of this planet and I keep my feet on it. We have dominion over the choices we make. Consciousness is an active state of awareness.
@nietzsche258918So why isn't morality? Well, of course it is. And being a good person doesn't really require us to be so theoretical, right? We can just see how we comport ourselves in the moment that we're in with the people that we impact. You know, when Ian said, well, what am I going to do with this spare hour or two every day? Imagine if you pick up the phone and you call someone that doesn't get enough attention, but from anyone, and you tell them that you love them and you ask them how you're doing.
@nietzsche258918None of this really requires us to be silver-tongued devils or very theoretical about anything. So, you know, Thomas Aquinas called, you know, eternity the everlasting now. Well, that's that nowness, that kingdom of heaven that we find in the present. And how do we do so? By embracing the divine light, and then trying to express it out to other people.
@nietzsche258918I really think it's really simple and you notice the great masters in history including Mohammed and Jesus and even the Buddha and all of these people, you notice when after their moment of enlightenment they became very simple. They really reduced life to a very simple where they were doing things like washing someone's feet or walking down the street with them and talking to them.
@nietzsche258918Why is it that they all became so much more simple and living their life in a more simplistic manner? Because they realized the real road to happiness. They realized where consciousness should really go. And all of that other stuff was just noise. It was just nonsense. So I would especially suggest that the most important thing that you could do, and I'm not really going to talk you out of any grand theories, is just to figure out how to be the best person you can be in the moment that you occupy.
Speaker 14You're exactly right, because true state of happiness is individuation. I don't know if you follow anything Carl Jung, but individuation is what's needed for heaven. You have to find yourself. But even when you find yourself, it's constantly on the go. Life is constantly updating. So that's exactly right. I would follow that exact little direction that you gave to the whole group.
Speaker 14That's pretty good. I mean, it's good. It's flawless.
@joann_marieExcellent. We're all in the same. We all think this. OK. I actually don't have, I have no idea what's happening.
@malleusigThat went way better than expected. All right, who's next?
@joann_marieYeah, David is just rolling with it, I love it. It's Wild West.
@rsszombieWild West. Yeah. Hey guys, thanks for the mic. I just have, I just want to comment on what Dr. Atusa was speaking about, about karma, yoga, and all this stuff, if you will. So I've been hearing this doctor for a while. She speaks very intellectually right now. I mean, she was speaking all kinds of bullshit like karma, Hinduism, and all this stuff.
@rsszombieI'm sorry. I'm not trying to demean or whatever.
@rsszombieI want to talk about a recent podcast I was listening to about yoga. A guy named Mo Godat, he's a scientist, he's a Google chief architect, whatever, he built so many products. And that guy was platforming the yoga guru. I was stunned by, I mean, how these guys are being psyoped by all these fraud gurus from The Art of Living, The Sadhguru, especially targeting tech companies in Hollywood, Beverly Hills, that vicinity.
@rsszombieI don't know. They are basically SIAB.
@malleusigThe short answer, Wild West, is this is what happens when women take over society, these kinds of things. Get way more credibility than they deserve. But then there's always the nuanced conversation we can have where there is some truth to the phenomenon, but I would say 75 to 80% of the people that are getting paid for it are probably frauds.
@rsszombieYeah, absolutely. Be aware of all those fraud gurus from India in the name of yoga. The yoga is taken over from Buddhism, Chinese, and Japanese, if I'm correct. Maybe wrong, I don't know.
@malleusigNo, yoga started in India.
@malleusigIt doesn't come from Buddhism, Chinese, and Japanese. It started in India, but its roots in India are very different from what we call yoga today.
@yourvitalitydocI'm sorry, what does what you say have to do with me? Like, because I think you mentioned my name.
Speaker 9He did?
@joann_marieYes, he did. Yeah, something about her being wrong about the karma.
@yourvitalitydocYeah, I don't know what he's talking about, but if you could elaborate.
@malleusigYeah, what was she wrong about?
@rsszombieWhat was? I didn't, I mean, I was just, she was talking a lot about karma. Karma is a Sanskrit word and it's an Indian concept and it comes out of Hinduism.
@rsszombieNo, I'm a Muslim.
@yourvitalitydocOh, okay. Yeah, me too, I was born Muslim. But I have studied everything under this guy, so...
@rsszombieVery contradictory, being a Muslim, you're just talking about Hinduism, advocating for yoga, that's way off, you know?
@yourvitalitydocYeah, well, you know, in your dogma, you may be, you know, having some prejudice against yoga or Hinduism. I was born into a Muslim family, I... Don't practice it. I do practice yoga, asanas and pranayama. I have studied Ayurveda. I'm a doctor. I do functional medicine and all the alternative aspects of mind-body. But I think any dogma in any religion is wrong.
@yourvitalitydocIf you ask me who do I hold as the highest
@yourvitalitydocAnd I teach Ayurveda at the university level. I teach yoga therapy at the university level. But don't assume that you know who I am and what I practice.
@rsszombieSorry, I'm not because I have heard you for quite a long time. You are very intellectual women. But this topic, when it comes to this yoga and all this, those are, I mean, I have a reservation.
@malleusigWild West. I think it sounds like you may be kind of reading the name on the package and assuming you know what's in it. And we're not just talking about karma in terms of how it's talked about in pop culture or by women who go out to California to join cults. We've had a lot of different opinions on what exactly is meant by karma.
@malleusigUm, and we can definitely have that discussion, but I think that just offhandedly dismissing all of it without really looking at it might be a bit premature. I just want to know what about... You can't be a Muslim and like talk shit on yoga when, you know, you guys literally pray five times a day.
@nietzsche258918I just want to know what about being a Muslim stops you from getting limber. Right, exactly.
@malleusigYeah. Yeah. But again, Yoga is a different meaning you know for he's talking about the the pop meaning of yoga and i think that if any discussion of yoga in the space in terms of karma is going to be something very different uh and it sounds like there might also be kind of like a hindu muslim rivalry going on there so we'll kind of leave that as it is well i think maybe what i think is inheritance i think he was practicing downward dogma very good very slow clap
@joann_marieI love how David knows so much about yoga.
Speaker 9I love it.
@nietzsche258918Very nice. Very nice. I am married, don't forget.
@jordanaleksandrWhat do we all share in common? What is our disinheritance?
@malleusigDNA? Air?
@jordanaleksandrOur children.
@malleusigThe need to occasionally defecate. Wait, everybody shares your children?
@jordanaleksandrWhat?
@malleusigWhat? Yes. The childless don't share our children.
@jordanaleksandrThe future of mankind is our children. It's not your personal children. It's not my daughters and my sons. It's the future of the world.
@nietzsche258918So if someone knocks on your door from a stranger, he gets to take your children away?
@jordanaleksandrAbsolutely not. Our greatest inheritance is our children. We are put on this earth to protect our children like our parents and like our father.
@malleusigWait, hold on a second. Wait, that doesn't make any sense. Your inheritance is what you get when your parents die. We don't get our children when we die.
@jordanaleksandrSure, that's what you think. But the greatest inheritance on earth is our children.
@malleusigNo, you keep saying that statement like it makes any sense. It doesn't make any logical sense. We do not receive our children when we die. That doesn't mean anything.
@jordanaleksandrWell, you think it's for you.
@malleusigYou just said our inheritance. I think it means it has to be for us.
@joann_marieI think he's just meaning philosophically. That's why I was singing, we are the world.
@malleusigIt sounds like he's writing a Whitney Houston song.
@jordanaleksandrNo, nothing you will do in your life means anything other than your children.
@malleusigNo, no, that's completely not true.
@jordanaleksandrThat's the teachings of Christianity. That's also not true.
@malleusigThat's not true in objective sense. It's also not true that that's the teachings of Christianity. You want to go for three for three?
@jordanaleksandrSure, yeah. I would love to have the conversation.
@malleusigMake a statement.
@jordanaleksandrI did. The greatest inheritance in your life will be your children.
@malleusigThat's three. What if I don't have any children? According to the rules of logic and grammar, that cannot be true.
@jordanaleksandrIt doesn't need to be your children, JoAnn. That's even less true.
@malleusigIt's our children. Please no one leave me their children. I'm less likely to receive other people's children than even my own, which I'm also not receiving.
@jordanaleksandrWell, there's a very big difference between our children and your children, right?
@jordanaleksandrIt's what we push forward. It's our children.
@joann_marieWe're going to spend three hours looking for the definition of children. I think they do this on Wayfair, don't they?
Ian MalcolmThis conversation reminds me of that bit of water when it's going down the drain when you're in the shower and it's just around the edge. It just doesn't want to get... Can I ask Jordan something real quick?
@malleusigPlease don't. Go ahead.
@timlordanI just wanted to say, Jordan, did you, did you mean like a collective legacy? It's the, it's the biggest thing, like as a, as a, you know, humanity is like our legacy is, is the, is the children, like that's going to be the future eventually. Because when you say, when you say inheritance, what they're, they're, they're, they're taking you at your word.
@timlordanWe're not inheriting our children. That would technically be the wrong word. I think that's, and you don't want to do that with Rabbi or David.
@jordanaleksandrno matter how much money you make in your life no matter how what what you do it it it's not important compared to what forward you mean it's not as important as the children we have to spend our declining senior years among because i'll probably agree with you on that one well we we i think we can agree that like all human beings coming forward are
@malleusigNo, we don't know. We do not have to agree, nor do we want to agree on that, considering the quality of some of the children that I see videos of on Twitter.
@nietzsche258918I mean, now you're telling me when I could have slapped that child in the grocery store earlier for annoying me.
@malleusigYeah, I mean, if they were all our children, I would be discrediting a lot more of them.
@malleusigI mean, it's the definition. How can I put this succinctly? They are literally not my children because if they were my children, I would be allowed to slap them around when they misbehave in public, and I'm not.
@nietzsche258918Rabbi stopped doing that weeks ago.
@jordanaleksandrYes, I forgot to add the word anymore at the end of that sentence. We leave this earth to our next kin, right?
@malleusigLeave the earth to our next of kin. Yeah, I guess as long as our next of kin don't go before us, that kind of makes sense, but sure.
@nietzsche258918I think I understand. Jordan, you're just saying that it's a big responsibility. It's sort of implied in the general will of the collective consciousness to promulgate the species. I think that's true. So if that's what you're trying to say, I... I think it's a good point.
@malleusigI think what he's saying is that he believes the children are our future, teach them well, and let them lead the way. I think that's what he's saying.
@nietzsche258918Oh, I see. Okay. Okay, I got it now.
@jordanaleksandrI'm not trying to get weird with you guys, but like we... You're doing a good job of it anyway.
@malleusigIt comes natural. Yeah, it just comes naturally. But I'm blaming it on Venus.
@jordanaleksandrFair enough. We can put a Venus in Pluto's planet or not. But our children inherit this Earth from us and what we leave to them.
@nietzsche258918Wait, hold on. They inherit it. Okay, help me out with this one. So you mean as long as we're alive, we own it and they're just like renting? How does that work?
@jordanaleksandrWell, it gets very deep. That's a very deep conversation. No, it doesn't get deep. That's not a deep conversation at all. It's a very basic conversation. I don't think there's...
@nietzsche258918It's not deep.
@jordanaleksandrOur morals. Everything.
@nietzsche258918Wait, you mean they're not moral until I die? They get to do whatever they want?
@jordanaleksandrThe only thing that is important in our lives that we can invest in is our children on a personal level and on a global level. What about real estate? I was thinking the same thing, David. Does real estate dictate the lives of your children?
@malleusigYou said they were the investment.
@jordanaleksandrThat's our investment. The only thing that is important to us to invest in is our children.
@nietzsche258918Oh, I see.
@jordanaleksandrSo they're like, what if I want to leave my children in real estate?
@malleusigThat's not true at all. You're making a career out of coming up here and just saying things that sound true in late 80s love songs, but have zero logical or objective truth to them.
Speaker 15The only thing that matters is investing in children forever. Yeah.
@malleusigYes. Yes. Literally, I don't think you've said one true thing since you came up here, but everything you say sounds like it would fit into a Phil Collins song somewhere.
Speaker 3I want to clip this.
@malleusigAnd I usually have more patience for these kind of monkey shines when I don't actively have to take a shit, Jordan, but you've kind of lucked out. So I'm going to be a little more, a little less patient with you. I'm really sorry.
@jordanaleksandrOther countries are investing in their children, that we're investing in ourselves.
@dinalogosHold on, hold on. You just said something I have to say that otherwise I'll just go insane. You said the most important thing in Christianity are children, right? The most important thing in Christianity is to love God. That's actually... Like I'm Eastern Orthodox, I'm sure the Catholics would agree, everybody would agree.
@dinalogosSo the love God with everything you are and love your neighbor as yourself. That actually, according to Christianity, the most important thing in life. That's what the Bible is actually teaching you. Now, children, children are important as long as you raise your children also properly. Right. So you can't just say children are like, again, like, yes.
@jordanaleksandrI will say it again, our most important inheritance in this world is not your bank account, it's not your social credit.
@dinalogosIt's your children that will carry this forward.
@dinalogosYou have no guarantee, though, that your child will be buried. I can't guarantee anything. No, exactly. I can tell you my opinion.
Speaker 15Carry on the world for the children tomorrow. Always, oh yeah, little kids.
@malleusigWe're having too much fun. We're having way too much fun.
Speaker 3I love having too much fun.
@malleusigI'm crying.
@dinalogosHow many children do you have? More than one?
@malleusigI'm not answering that question on a public forum. I love you, but I'm not answering that question.
@dinalogosOkay, no, no, no, never mind. Let's forget about it.
@malleusigLet's assume I have six for the purposes of the conversation.
@dinalogosOkay, so do you agree that a child can be a waste of space if it's not raised properly? Am I insane or I do strongly believe... Listen...
@malleusigI wouldn't say a waste of space, but I said if every mass murderer... was someone's baby.
Speaker 16Well, there you go.
@malleusigThere you go. I think it's obvious that, yes, that every child, if, let's say, is raised the wrong way or happens to come into this existence with some kind of checkered history, incarnationally speaking, can become the worst thing ever, right?
@dinalogosHow many transvestites was someone's parent? Hold on. Sonya's got a two-parter. Let me tell you why it triggered me so much when he said the children. So there was that kid a couple of years ago that I was tutoring him for the piano. I just found out a week ago after I moved from Austin that he killed his parents. He's 17 now.
@dinalogosYou guys can look it up.
@nietzsche258918I am shocked beyond... Is it because he's mad of your piano lessons?
@dinalogosNo, oh God, no, oh Lord, no. No, it was three years ago, four years ago. I see. No, but like a normal kid. I never really... Yeah, he had some oddness, but then allegedly he was like heavily on drugs, came home, now he's 17, he got life in prison for killing both of his parents, and both of his parents were actually pretty successful.
@dinalogosSo, bottom line, what I'm trying to say is let's don't put the children on a pedestal, right? I think the parents, you can make it or you can break it.
@nietzsche258918I don't think that, I think Jordan's point about our society, if you want to put it that way, our collective responsibility to children, Still holds there, right? Because there might have been things going on there with the parents and everything else. And also, let's not forget the culture, right? A culture that really, you know, I don't know if you remember this, but I think Tucker used to talk about this, how the Chinese TikTok would show good things to their citizens, you know, to the children.
@nietzsche258918And they would never let their children see what Americans' children are allowed to see.
@malleusigSorry? They never let their kids see the Tide Pond Challenge.
@nietzsche258918Yeah, but that does kind of get to Jordan's point. I mean, Jordan, you just need to get rid of this inheritance idea. It's just a bad way to express it. But the idea that a beautiful or good or truly moral society would really collectively really care about how the children are experiencing the world just in a general sense.
@nietzsche258918And obviously, I don't think it's a big worry when they're three, when they're really just right there with the parents. But if I could just steelman Jordan's position a little bit here. When they're 12 and 13, we'd like to, you know, when I see them trying to, as you've heard me say many times, you know, turn our daughters into whores and our sons into daughters, well, these aren't nice people.
@nietzsche258918And a good moral society would really obviously take very seriously how that society is treating children and what effect they're having on them. What do you think about that, Rabbi?
@malleusigWait a minute, I thought you were asking him and I missed part of that. Can you say it again?
@nietzsche258918Well, I think that he's right in this, that it's a very serious responsibility, and it's a failing of society in general, we should think of it that way, if we're not making a society good for children. I mean, the idea that the suicides are way up, the idea that they're having to look at all of this goyslop, the idea that they're being told if you're white and you're going to school that you're just this awful human being, and of course,
@nietzsche258918The terrible thing they're doing to black kids, for instance, by telling them that they have no agency and their problems are the fault of someone else, which is a terrible thing to say. So I think if I could steel man Jordan's position, it is true that our tremendous responsibility and our moral agency should be expressed out into collectively and what kind of society we're making for children, I guess.
@nietzsche258918No, it is, it is.
@malleusigAnd I think that if you're not, a society that doesn't do that is essentially creating its own destruction because that generation of children will collectively become like the child that Selenia was talking about that comes back and murders its own parents. Those children will destroy America as they are beginning to now.
@malleusigThey're already in the process of destroying America because they were not raised right when they were children, right? You don't get someone who believes Eureka Q Eureka Q
@malleusigDon't raise your kids a certain way. For example, I think our sin is indulging them. It's not just neglect. I think that we actually had better results when it was just neglect. I mean, you had the 20s, it was neglect, right? What did the 20s give us? 20 years later, you get the 40s and the 50s. That was actually a good thing.
@malleusigYou can make the affirmative statement that neglect is better than indulgence when it comes to your kids. the the last generation of like you know what is it generation x or millennials or whatever um that raised the current generation i think it was x that raised the current generation of millennials um they're creating psychopaths like they're actively creating psychopaths by indulging them too much and um that needs to stop or they will murder the rest of us in our sleep
@malleusigSome communist will come along and tell them that it's better for the revolution if they kill all of us because we're too privileged and we're holding back the coming communist utopia. And they will. They will find us in our sleep and cut our throats.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, I'd be curious for your thought and David's on what I'm about to say, which is that I'm convinced that essentially the culture that we have, which pushes YOLO and hedonism and vanity and all the seven deadly sins, right? That essentially our entire system has been inverted so that it perverts all of the value structures so that people not only follow after those things, but then because we start revering them and treating them as the good, that we're basically
Ian MalcolmWe're almost living in, I've said this a couple of different ways, but we're essentially living in hell because we now have essentially that which is satanic lifted up as that which is heroic and vice versa. And so you see, the thing that I'd be curious on is not only that, because obviously we know that that's true when we look at the media and all the other stuff.
Ian MalcolmI mean, hell, look at the White House, right? You've got just peak example of all of it with the Epstein stuff. But what I'd be curious for your thoughts and David's is because of that, The impact that would have not only on rewiring morality, but also rewiring the mind. And I'm convinced that a lot of the things that you were just talking about and actually the need for things like SSRIs and, you know, and not only the legalization of marijuana, but also the pushing of this like hyper potent rendition of it.
Ian MalcolmI'm convinced all of these things are essentially coping mechanisms because the culture that we live in is so toxic that people.
Ian Malcolmand the only way that you can accommodate that for most people is by basically drugging yourself into a perpetual stupor.
@malleusigYeah. Yeah. It's people because people seem to forget that your environment isn't just the trees and rocks around you. Your environment is other people. And when you change the environment, I mean, that is literally the most malleable part of the environment. and so when that environment changes drastically like it hasn't over the past it's changed multiple times over the past 20 30 40 years then the only way that people are going to be able to to adapt is is to become is is to look for it for something to imitate and when there's nothing left when there are no positive stereotypes when there are no archetypes left that are going to result in a human being
@malleusigum and walking around like cavemen i'm sorry i'm not gonna i'm not gonna uh i'm not gonna like soften this these people are just coming in like you know like like like primates like you can't have this kind of environment and expect anything to come out of it so um you can't have what do we have in like new york right now where you have like fleca and fleca's talks goes around
@malleusigand asks random Gen Zers or Millennials to name two countries other than the United States and they can't name any, right? He asks them, like, what countries fought in the Civil War and their answers are Spain and Germany. He asks them whose face is on a $5 bill and they're like, Donald Trump. It's like, you can't. We are, Americans are becoming a race of hot idiots.
@malleusigThat's it. That's all we are, alright? We are becoming a race of really good-looking idiots.
Ian MalcolmAre we really even good-looking, though? I mean, everyone's, for the most part, fat and going and getting the Kim Kardashian TikTok surgeries and all the other nonsense. I mean, they just look like... Actually, this would be a good one for Rob in a future space because, you know... All things psychology, I love going into.
Ian MalcolmRabbi, there is an entire trend where the youth are going to cosmetic surgeons at 18, 19, 20 years old and saying, make me look like this and holding up their phone with a TikTok filter.
@malleusigOh, geez. Yeah.
Ian MalcolmI'm not remotely joking.
@malleusigNo, I've heard way worse. But yes, I believe you. And it's the problem because people have lost. They've lost something to shoot for that goes beyond The base, you know, physical. They don't have anything left. And this is why they take away religion. This is why they attack it. This is why they discredit. This is why critique is such an effective weapon.
@malleusigRight? Critique is the most effective weapon against nations that exists. And that's why Jews insist on the exclusive right to wield it. And it's why they assert that anytime it gets turned back on them, Even in the most gentlest expression, it's somehow tantamount to a hate crime because they do not want us turning the weapon against them that they've been using against us for decades.
@malleusigAnd that's why when we get into spaces and we start criticizing them, and they are one of the easiest cultures to critique because so much about them is so comedic. Can you think of any other culture that has it built in to their religious beliefs that you have to cut the skin off a baby's penis at eight days old and suck the blood out.
@malleusigI mean, for real. I mean, what was the song? Hold on a second. What was the song that... Let me see if I can find that really quick. Really, really quick.
@malleusigI have it here. Give me a second, give me a second. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. um what the hell was it anyway i can't find it when i find it i'll play it but it's literally there's a song uh called god hates the dicks of little bit god hates the tips of little baby's dicks and it is one of the best songs ever written um and i would love to play it for you but i can't find it just this moment here it is here's the intro
@malleusigand it only gets better from there. It is one of the most abundant fields of ridicule in the world and the only reason we're not mining that field is because we've been prohibited from doing it by our laws which they seem to have written for about a hundred years and that needs to stop.
@malleusigI forgot the original question. I'm sorry. I hope I didn't go too far off topic.
@jordanaleksandrI know you guys might think the word inheritance is a joke.
@malleusigWhen you think it's a joke, we just think you don't know what it means.
@jordanaleksandrIt's not a good one. When I leave this world, I have three daughters and one son. And I leave them to the world.
@nietzsche258918Do I get to just pick one of them or do I...
@joann_marieI think people are taking it like super little.
@nietzsche258918I want the one who cleans. I'm speaking for my wife here. Can I borrow against their equity?
@nietzsche258918Can I borrow kids? They're an investment. So, you know, I could transfer that on to you. I think we should invest our kids, but I still think we should diversify. So kids, gold, real estate. I do want to answer Ian's question, though, or reply to it just as Rabbi did. Ian, you know, when we think about bringing kids up, not just, you know, we raise them, you know, when we say raise them, it sounds like they're corn.
@nietzsche258918But bringing them up, when we think of it in that way, what are we doing here? We're talking about making them effective, right? So that means teaching them reality. Nature is 100% consistent. As Francis Bacon said, nature to be commanded must be obeyed. So teach them nature, okay? And then teach them reality. That means math and reading and all these sorts of things.
@nietzsche258918And then, so make them effective people. And then of course, teach them how to direct their efforts, right? So give them ethos. And then the last thing would be morals. If you wanted to raise a happy child, and if you wanted to give them long-term happiness as an adult, which is kind of your job, then you'd be teaching them how to be effective, how to direct their energies, and then how to be moral, because that's the self-regulatory mechanism by which they're going to be able to conduct themselves through life.
@nietzsche258918So you're right. The world that's being foisted upon them is antagonist to any of these things. In school, They're not teaching reality to Johnny. They're teaching Johnny to Johnny. It's about his feelings, which is subjective. That's why, for instance, American kids will do far better, for instance, than Chinese kids on how they felt they did on a math test.
@nietzsche258918But they won't do better on the math test. They'll just do better on how they felt they did, which, of course, this is going to be a Ponzi scheme of self-esteem because one day reality will win the day and they'll realize, gosh, I'm not very good at math, right? And this is the same thing with morals. When you're teaching them, when you're throwing all of this goy slop and this awful stuff, well, this stuff leads to misery, right?
@nietzsche258918So it's as though the parents, good parents, moral parents, especially in my opinion, the homeschooling parents, they're fighting against the culture who's just trying to destroy their kid. And what happens? Where does that go? Yes, it inevitably ends up requiring some kind of medication, some kind of drug. Self-esteem is the reflexive inventory of one's mind.
@nietzsche258918You cannot escape from it. It's how well your mind is furnished with regard to the degree that it allows you to function in reality. So all of a sudden, these kids aren't functioning well.
Speaker 17They're not doing- No, I disagree with you right there, man.
@nietzsche258918Well, one second. They're not functioning well. They're not doing well. And then they, all of a sudden, they get anxiety and they start to feel bad about themselves. And what is the result of all of that? The pill pusher with a doctor says, well, here, take these drugs instead of, you know, realign your life, change your life, that sort of thing.
@nietzsche258918So, yeah, I think that's the struggle for the child, especially in Western civilization.
Speaker 16I disagree with you.
@joann_marieThat was beautiful, David. Yeah, Tony, we have hands. You're welcome to this interview.
Ian MalcolmWhy don't we expedite because Tony feels very special today. Tony, what do you disagree with David on? Try to be very specific.
Speaker 17Okay, I disagree, man. I feel that even if you were a person that you love, even if you're children, man, I feel that the world is beautiful if we look at it with truth. You know what I'm saying? We have to tell our children.
Speaker 9No idea.
Speaker 17The world is a fucked up place, man. And you have to take care of yourself. There's people out here that are trying to gobble you up. There's people that are always going to go up against what you're going to say, man. But if you stay true to yourself, you'll always overcome that stuff. You know what I'm saying? Because the world is a fucked up place.
Speaker 17But the world is a beautiful place if you see it with truth that it is a fucked up place. You know what I'm saying? Tony, because it is such a messed up place, I've got a question for you, Tony. What is six divided by one half?
Speaker 17I don't give a fuck about that shit. I know how to count money. That's all I need to know. You know how to count money. Okay, so let me ask you a different way.
Ian MalcolmTony, listen for a second. You said you know how to count money. So what is $6 divided by two 50 cent pieces?
@joann_marieTony?
@nietzsche258918Well, he's taking his shoes off.
Ian MalcolmYou didn't... You have enough digits on your hands. If you had six dollars, how many half dollars would that be worth, Tony?
Speaker 17If you have six dollars, you would have just like about like three dollars, man.
Ian MalcolmWait, if I had six dollars, I now have three dollars? Where'd the other three go? Well, that's a half, no? That's what you said. Wow. Man, Tony, this is remarkable. I hope if I have $6 around you, it doesn't become $3. If it did, how do you think that would happen?
Speaker 17Well, let me ask you like this, man. If you bought, if you bought, because, you know, I'm going to bring you into my world. If you bought a fucking an ounce of cocaine and you bought that shit. Is that your world? Are you a drug dealer, Tony? That what? Is that your world?
Ian MalcolmNo, that's not my world, man. You just said you were bringing us into your world and then the first thing that you did was go to drugs and now I'm asking if you're a drug dealer and you say that's not part of my world. So which world are we trying to be in?
Speaker 17It's because you're like, all I'm trying to tell you, man, that the world is beautiful if we see it with truth. You know what I'm saying?
Ian MalcolmSo why does it have to do with dealing drugs if it's beautiful?
Speaker 5No, no, no.
Speaker 17That's not what I said. You're the one that brought drugs. Am I hearing things or are you crazy, Tony? I'm telling you, that world is beautiful, man, if you see it with truth. You know what I'm saying? But you want to bring, like, math into this shit? Like, I don't care about, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't do the math right now, but if you bring money to me right now, I guarantee you, you're not going to give me something, and I'm going to be like, hey, yo, man, you're short on my money.
Speaker 17You know what I'm saying?
Ian MalcolmWait, but Tony, you can't count, so how would you be certain that you're not short on the money? Hey, yo, man, because I know how to count money. Okay, okay, so Tony, Tony, if... I bring you $7, and I say that you need to give me four times that much back. How many dollars do you owe me? I mean, I didn't hear what you said.
Ian MalcolmHow much times back? I brought you $7, and I say you got to bring me four times as many dollars back. But then, shit, you know, that's like about fucking like $46, $70 back, man. That's $46, $70. I don't even know what numbers came out there. There might have been a Niner in there somewhere.
@nietzsche258918You should make that investment. I can only... As your financial investor...
Ian MalcolmHe's making money out of nothing.
@nietzsche258918I have a question for Tony.
Ian MalcolmYeah.
@nietzsche258918Tony, do you think that most people are above or below average intelligence?
Speaker 17Well, I don't know, man. You know, there's people like you that think they're above, but they're really below.
@nietzsche258918No, no, no. Just take me out of the equation. Do you think... that most people are above or below average intelligence?
Speaker 17I think people are like in the midway, bro. You know what I'm saying?
@nietzsche258918No, I don't. I never know what you're saying, by the way.
Speaker 17So stop asking me that question. Like you can't fool people all the time. You know what I mean? I agree.
@nietzsche258918That's true. You cannot fool people, well, ever. So what do you say? Are most people above or below average intelligence?
@malleusigDavid, I'm sorry. I just want to... Can we find out if Tony had anything... I didn't catch all he said. Did he say anything that was like antagonist? No.
Speaker 17No, there's nothing there. It's cool, man. It's cool. You guys know about math and everything like that. Tony, I got a different question. We won't go with math because that did not go very well.
Ian MalcolmHang on, Tony. Math didn't go very well, so I've got a different question for you, Tony. If you didn't have breakfast or lunch or dinner, how do you think you would feel? What do you mean? If you didn't have breakfast or lunch, how do you think you would feel?
Speaker 17Well, like, shit, like, I'm fucking at a fucking job that I don't fucking like and I didn't get to eat lunch or breakfast.
Ian MalcolmWell, I'm not asking if you did. If you didn't, how do you think you would feel, Tony?
Speaker 17Well... Well, you see, I see what you're trying to ask, man, but let me ask you this. I don't think you do. Yo, if you were to come to the people that are hanging around with, man, we'll take you for everything you got.
Ian MalcolmWait, so now you're suggesting that you're a criminal and a thief? Man, I'm just smarter than you.
Speaker 17I'm just smarter than you because, you know, those books and shit, they don't matter nothing in the real world. You know what I'm saying?
Ian MalcolmTony, can I ask you a question? If your intellect is, let's say, at a disadvantage relative to those on the panel, how do you think you would compete economically in a system where rules were enforced and you had a high-trust society? How do you think you'd do?
Speaker 17I think I would do very well, man, just like you. How do you think that that would happen? Let me ask you a question like this, right? Let me ask you like this. You know what feet and inches are? So, do you know how many 12 feet are away from you? Can you measure that distance? Just in your mind? Do I know how many 12 feet away from me are?
Speaker 17Yeah. Do you know how far that is? Yeah, I do. Like say you live in a house. Like say the average house. You come out of your house and your mailbox. How far do you think your mailbox is from your house?
Ian MalcolmIt's going to vary house to house. I'd say that mine might be 65 feet.
Speaker 17There's fucking regulations on how far a mailbox can be from your house. Tony, how does it have anything to do with anything that I asked you? No, no, no, because you want to say math. You know what I'm saying? But you're talking about math, something I use every day, like that shit, like this and this and that.
Ian MalcolmHey, yo, let me tell you, do you know what... Like, like, like, this and this and that. Tony, so the challenge here is it requires... 4 or 5 words per word that I would otherwise deliver and that's if you were able to deliver some kind of constructive addition to this conversation which is just as far as I can tell it's been a subtraction you've divided the audience because most people in here are kind of frustrated and you've multiplied the degree of gaslighting because not only can you not answer basic questions but you're now trying to suggest that a
Ian MalcolmI should come into your world in which seemingly you're a drug dealer in your world words and then you said it was beautiful but he said it was beautiful because that's not your world which was contrary to what you had just said moments prior you think you're then suggesting that you don't need intellect because you're just going to take everything from people which presumably is due to violence and other nonsense which I then asked okay so how would you compete if this was a normal society because Tony here's the problem based on what I'm hearing I don't think you could compete
Ian MalcolmI don't get the impression based on your dialect that you should probably even be in the United States in the first place. I would then ask the question if you got here legally or illegally. To be honest with you, I don't particularly care about the answer because you're suggesting that violence is your solution to your problems in life.
Ian MalcolmSo I would recommend that we get you out of the country altogether. And the problem is that you're here because the very people that opened the borders want to destroy the society that we have built that is high trust and in this society that we used to have.
Ian Malcolmxai recruit, David Nietzsche2310, Eureka Q
Ian MalcolmYou're welcome to listen. You're welcome to try and get educated. But the next time that you come up onto the panel, I recommend that you try again to add something. You're just a subtraction. You're again dividing the audience. You're multiplying my headaches. And for what it's worth, you're a fraction of the brilliance of anybody else that's up here.
Ian MalcolmAnd so as a result, you can be exponentially removed from the conversation. And with that, David, I think that's the sum of the equation. How's that for some mathematical jargon for us?
@malleusigIt adds up. I think I missed something. Did he attack us?
Ian MalcolmHe said that he was going to have us come over so he could take everything from us.
@nietzsche258918There was not enough there, Rabbi, to refute.
Ian MalcolmHe's requesting again.
Ian MalcolmOh, we're definitely moving on.
@nietzsche258918Let's move on. I think he's exalted all 75 words of his vocabulary, so we should move on.
Ian MalcolmLike David, there might have been one more.
@malleusigI don't know what it was that he said to earn that abuse, so we'll just move on. I think Alan Nolan and Rob, I think we're next. Go ahead, Alan.
Speaker 18Thank you very much. I was gonna... I was going to try to spin my framing around this whole idea of inheritance of children. I have a big family. I'm half Akwesasne Mohawk, and I grew up in a very different culture. I look like a Caucasian, but I never saw myself as white, interestingly. But we value children and maybe this is a different spin on it.
Speaker 18I know I can only have so much influence in the field of relationships I have with the people around me. So I'm not trying to speak for everyone. I'm just speaking for myself. My experience was that my family saw children as a gift and what we inherit as parents is the responsibility for them.
@malleusigYeah, that makes more sense.
Speaker 18Yeah, that's kind of how I see it. What we inherit is the responsibility. And having children in my culture is a responsibility. So for people, you know, I know we have a declining birth rate in several places around the world. I'm not having all these children to make up for that because the decision to have the children preceded that.
Speaker 18I'm now 69 years old. My children are all adults and I've been very blessed because they've turned out to be really marvelous human beings doing very important work. So, yeah, I don't know if that's what the gentleman meant. I know that he articulated it in a way that could be kind of interesting to play around with, but we inherit the responsibility.
Speaker 18That's all I had to say.
@malleusigThank you. I mean, again, I would say we don't If you want to be technically inherit, we don't inherit the responsibility either. We receive the responsibility once we have kids, right? Because, you know, nobody has to die for us to get that responsibility. But yeah, I mean, what he was saying was essentially kids are important and we can all agree with that.
@malleusigIt's very important how you raise them. It's very important how you bring them up. And I think that in a large part, a lot of us are failing. We're failing each other, we're failing our kids, we're failing our nation, and we need to start stepping up.
Speaker 18If I can just have a slight disagreement with you on this, and I'm only disagreeing with you in the context of my culture, so I'm not saying that you can't make a proper claim that you don't inherit the responsibility, but from the culture I come from, it's an expectation that, you know, like, When your parents die, and the elders die, and the elders are extremely valued in our culture, we are inheriting that responsibility.
Speaker 18And it comes from our parents. That's how they raised us.
@malleusigSo you're inheriting the responsibility for your kids from your own parents?
Speaker 18From the culture. From the culture.
@malleusigI still think we may be overloading the term inheriting here, but I understand what you mean.
Speaker 18It's a cultural thing, man. I'm not arguing about semantics. I'm just saying for me, that's how I see it. And I see it as a wonderful responsibility. And it's kind of like if I inherited a house or precious metals or whatever, it would not feel any better for me. Thank you for joining us.
@malleusigAbdicating that responsibility and letting women take over and raise our kids for us. And I think that if you are not taking an active role in your child's development as a father, you are letting... Let's put it this way. Women are... Women are kind of the McDonald's of parents, right? It's not really the best food you can eat, but it's enough to get you going.
@malleusigIt's enough to keep you alive. I really think fathers are what makes the difference. Because women will teach your kid how to survive among people, because that's women's specialization, is how to navigate people. But in order to navigate objective reality, you need a man to teach you that. You need a father. You need a father to teach you, I don't care if it's not fair, I don't care if it's not popular, this is what you have to do.
@malleusigThis is what the world is like. And too many of our young people right now never had that. They never had someone for whatever reason, maybe the father wasn't there, the father wasn't emotionally present, or the father has been cowed into thinking that his opinion is Subscribe for more!
@malleusigThat's what I would say to add to what you would say. I think that men specifically, we have to remember our responsibility to our kids. And we have to understand that that responsibility to our kids may be unpopular with our wives, but we have to do it anyway.
@jordanaleksandrThat comes to my initial question, Rabbi, like, do you have kids?
@malleusigI think someone else already asked me this question and I said I'm not going to give any positive answers to you don't have to say yes or no my family you understand that like let's assume for the purposes of our conversation that I have six kids it's that's a good number it's what's that no no no I have no kids with you Jordan no but it's our children first of all that's dramatically incorrect and catastrophically so second of all I would say that
@malleusigIn a certain way, yes, you can say they're our children because we all have to live next to them. But, I mean, what exactly does that do to the conversation? Whether we call them our children or my children?
@jordanaleksandrFor instance, I'm Ian's kid. Are you really? Ian, did you know you had a kid?
@joann_marieIt's your daddy.
Ian MalcolmThe IQ apple fell very far from the tree on this one.
@malleusigHe's going to start to write some Linkin Park songs about you.
@jordanaleksandrI've become so dumb. It's a top-down. It's a top-down ideology, right?
@malleusigWe are all Ian's children.
@jordanaleksandrI'm going to leave something behind.
Speaker 6It's Hitler's speeches over Encore.
Speaker 19Yeah, it's so good. That is amazing, why don't I have this? You know, I just wanted to say.
Speaker 14In that song, it says, when I come back like Jordan wearing the 4-5, it ain't to play games with you, it's to aim at you. Well, Trump's the 45th president. They were telling you he was going to get shot all those times before.
Speaker 15Good to know.
@joann_marieAnd then he says, I'll blow you and just meet the rings, and I'll take one for your team, and I need you to remember one thing.
@malleusigThere you go.
@joann_marieI came, I saw, I conquered. I love that song. Okay, thank you so much for that, Brian.
Ian MalcolmJoAnn, who said, I came, I saw, I conquered?
@malleusigEureka, it's... Everyone knows that.
Speaker 20No, I don't. I literally, I... It's Vidi Vini Vinci. Right there.
@malleusigYou're so good. I named that tune. I love it. You're right there. Actually, it was not pronounced Vini Vidi Vici.
Ian MalcolmOh, you were so close, Rabbi.
@malleusigWeenie Weedie Weechee. Really? Yeah. They pronounced the V like a W apparently back then. It was a Weenie Weenie Weenie. And not in reference to the weenie weenie winkie. That's right.
@malleusigI think Sally wants to answer. Wait, Sally, because we still have Rob to get to. Are you answering the question that we asked or did you want to jump in?
Speaker 13I just want to make it real quick. I grabbed a mic when Jordan was speaking, because anytime someone says, our children, that's a very communist term to be using, because that's how the government wants to raise our children, just putting that out there.
@malleusigThat's a very good point.
@joann_marieWe are all Ian's children, though.
@nietzsche258918Oh, God. Yeah, and it leads right to Wayfair. It really does. It really does.
@malleusigAs long as this is a woo space, this is a good time to point out that Children being an inheritance is what this guy who was like in the secret space program apparently and was forced to sign was forced to sign a contract before he was allowed in but he wasn't allowed to look at the contents before he signed it and apparently in one of the clauses in that contract it stated that his children were his
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Speaker 21I'm not sure, I came in maybe halfway through so I'm just like a bit confused by everyone's like focusing on the babies and I'm kind of just, you know, enjoying what's happening. I'm glad I didn't have to follow Tony, that was a tough act to follow. I'm gonna have to go measure how far my mailbox is from my house now.
Ian MalcolmHow many 12s of feet is it, Rob?
Speaker 21I don't know. I'm gonna be thrown in jail. I think we need to get Tony doing a space on mailboxes soon but either way I think there's a good message in there. I'm more focusing on the kind of metaphysics part of this because I see you have metaphysics of world domination and you'll need to humor me here just because this is kind of like something which I've been trying to you know cook up in the right way and package this message in the right way and I think maybe this space has the right format so please humor me here but you know just interestingly in
Speaker 212022, there's a bunch of scientists that won the Nobel Prize kind of proving that, you know, the universe isn't locally real. So they kind of had this groundbreaking experiment, you know, proving quantum entanglement. So they're kind of proving that, you know, throughout the universe, there is this unified field and we're all connected to it.
Speaker 21So every single one of us here in this space right now talking to each other, the lovely people here that come to this community, you know, everyone that you see walking down the street, the tree, the bird, the sky. We're actually all meaningfully connected. We're actually not in a kind of woo-woo way, as we just once said, in a meaningful, empirical way.
Speaker 21So in short, we have an experimental, factual reality now that the universe isn't locally real, and it kind of opens up this concept that everything is interconnected, and that the observer involving the reality is that we're actually collectively... Participating in the creation of our own reality. I know that sounds a bit strange, but I'll just try and go back into it.
Speaker 21So what we're finding now is that consciousness is not really a physical phenomenon. It's a metaphysical phenomenon. OK, it's beyond this kind of physical reality that we're perceiving. So in quantum physics, much of the main principles are called, you know, there's something called the observer effect. So whenever you observe a particle in its state of being what it is, it actually manifests in that state of being prior
Speaker 21to that point of observation so you have this kind of you know kind of superposition of possibilities but once you observe it it collapses down and it kind of takes its form okay so you know before that exact measurement it could be in many possible of infinite possibilities you know in this quantum field so this observer effect and this conscious awareness really has this kind of physical effect you know I mean and essentially kind of this infinite possibility
Speaker 21This kind of state of consciousness is the key to relating to this observer effect and how exactly that we can kind of use this as a kind of a method to realize that how our thoughts actually help to manifest and co-create the reality around us. So the entire universe is a giant source field of consciousness. This is empirically true now.
Speaker 21So understanding that there is no separation is the key. That's what part of this kind of esoteric understanding all these religions in time and spiritual beliefs now that Eureka Q.
Speaker 21Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 21So their data confirmed that changes from human consciousness affect the reality and individual minds, they're kind of not separate. And that's what we need to understand is that this connection is the base reality. And you can go and research the Global Consciousness Project. You can look at what they've done at Princeton University.
Speaker 21They had all these random number generators all around the world running continuously for the past 30 years, measuring the output every second. They expected kind of random results, but what they found confirmed something that kind of no conventional understanding of consciousness could really explain. The data wasn't random, and it was actually made non-random due to like this collective focus of humanity.
Speaker 21So on 9-11, they saw the most coherence out of all their findings. So on a day where the world changed and everyone was focused on this one event, they saw that their kind of random number generators all had this coherence. and this changed this random pattern. So this kind of moment of collective joy or pain or kind of suffering created this real measurable effect.
Speaker 21So this kind of individual experience, you know, is kind of adding to this field. This field was kind of shifting. So this consciousness detecting something moving through space, connecting all minds. So, you know, this collective, this massive tragedy caused this like kind of coherence, this moment of kind of Collective, cognitive power.
Speaker 21I know it sounds a bit ridiculous, but you have to think of every individual consciousness like a separate string in an orchestra. We're all adding to this greater field of consciousness, like a huge orchestra, like a huge song. We're not just playing our own instrument inside our head, we're actually adding to this unified field, this collective consciousness.
Speaker 21So, you know, there is this kind of global mind and there is something which we really need to understand is that there is a war on consciousness right now. Like they're trying to have us manifest and co-create a reality where humans don't have a future, where we, you know, we believe that the earth is run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 21They show us the Epstein files. They show us all this corruption. So we start co-creating that reality. Because how many times have you heard the world's run by satanic pedophiles in the last couple of years? You know what I mean? So. We have to realize that consciousness is embedded in everything. Everything is alive and not in some ridiculous ways that the fields that underlie everything, these quantum fields, are effectively conscious.
Speaker 21So every planet, every leaf, every crystal. Nikola Tesla talked about crystals being alive. Everything is moving. Everything is part of a greater whole. So we need to take back this technology so that we can co-create Our way out of this AI technocratic future nightmare. We really need to take back this technology of consciousness and start co-creating one where we aren't all enslaved because right now that's the track we're on.
Speaker 21If we keep going down this track, you can ask any AI expert out there that the tools they are creating now are so systemically powerful that even Sam Altman is saying we will lose autonomy, we will lose human consciousness, the collective consciousness, we'll lose all freedom. And so we can't fight this battle, you know, technologically.
Speaker 21It has to be a spiritual battle of consciousness. So I've done a very... It's me collecting a whole bunch of things, trying to synthesize it down into one message, which is seemingly quite hard to do. But that's just one part that I want to step on. So thanks very much for giving me the time. When did this idea of mystanocize itself in your mind?
Speaker 21So what do you mean? This idea, well... This is just part of what they've had in Hinduism, in Buddhism, in esoteric beliefs like Hermeticism, Gnosticism and the Kabbalah that all point towards this consciousness being the fundamental reality. So my understanding started when I first started studying quantum physics, you know, about a decade ago.
Speaker 21And, you know, it's the zero point energy. It's this kind of this underlying field.
Speaker 21Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 21We see the world devolving is that we don't believe in a future anymore. We're not believing in the hopeful parts of what humanity can produce coming into the future because we must take it back. I'm getting more and more worried every day when I see people's reactions to the kind of the digital twin and the kind of technocratic layer being built around us.
Speaker 21They're just like, oh, well, you know, it's kind of a casual just apathy. But This space here with Ian and JoAnn and Rabbi and David, this is the movement here. And the more we can all align ourselves and become that 1% that acts as a catalyst to affect the collective consciousness of humanity, that's how we win. It's done here every day by Ian and JoAnn and all these amazing speakers and everyone here.
Speaker 21This has to be the movement. We have to take back our understanding of consciousness. And David talks about it all the time. This is a war on consciousness. And that's the way it is. It's our only hope. We can't go to war with AI. We can't battle AI. We can't, it's not an, like we can't, we're so asymmetrically opposed now, we just have to look at things in a new way.
Speaker 21So, yes.
@nietzsche258918Well, I will tell you, thank you for that, my friend. I am familiar with this rather esoteric idea, and I think it includes the idea that all matter is imbued with some level of consciousness. Am I correct about that?
@nietzsche258918Well, let me just continue with that. So I like it. I like it. I like the idea of it is at least poetic and it conveys this idea, you know, the Zen idea of there is only the one mind. The ego tends to make each drop of water think of itself in singularity. So I do like it, at least on that level, on a spiritual level. And I also like it on the idea that we should think of ourselves in terms of our solidarity with one another as a collective in that way.
@nietzsche258918I'm not a collectivist, but that's a status term. That's a term in relation to who has a right to rule us and ultimately use force against us. That's an entirely different thing. But this idea that we... You know, C.S. Lewis thought that the ultimate hell was to be totally separate from everyone else, to be totally alone in the universe.
@nietzsche258918And I think that people who feel really sad and alone, I think the more enlightened a soul gets, the more connectedness it feels with all of the other souls. And thus, there's just this natural ebullience of kindness. Thank you very much.
Speaker 21100% and it needs to be made more
Speaker 21That was beautiful it like it's the best allegory or metaphor like the force it's a real thing you know what I mean like this idea of the force is all pervasive force and that even in like if Star Wars are right it's funny they have the midichlorian so the midichlorian is what gives all life in the Star Wars force but in our reality we have the mitochondria no midichlorians are an abomination they are not that's that's made up but I'm saying the allegory is close to
Speaker 21The mitochondria that we have in our cells. So every cell that we have is around 1,000 mitochondria, and that's what gives us our power, our energy. So in the force, they have the midichlorians, but in our cells, you have 50 trillion cells, and every cell has around 1,000 mitochondria, which is like a pun. It's like a close assimilate.
Speaker 21But either way... No, I know. That's what they took it from.
@malleusigIt's still an abomination, but go ahead.
Speaker 21I think, well, it makes sense. But as David was saying, we can't use this as something like, you know, we have to get this back in a practical sense. We have to make like how does the collective consciousness you know affect us positively we can help our societies so Carl Jung he talked about the collective unconscious which is like the foundational layer of the psyche shared by all human beings and he wrote a book about it and you know kind of divorced from you know Freud who was a freak doing more cocaine that could kill a small horse and just was used to kind of adapt in a modern marketing but there's another side of what I was saying before I don't we don't have to absolve ourselves into this universal mind
Speaker 21Because the purpose of life is for you to become your true authentic self. And God revels in the fact that we have free will and that we're all finding new experiences, finding our true self so we can add more to this understanding of what the universe is. So that's why God uses us, so we can learn more about ourselves.
Speaker 21So the true purpose is for us to become our true authentic self. You know, deep inside you, you know, there's always someone crying out, you know, to tell you what you truly want to become, like who you truly are. And that's the purpose of life. So that's just the prefix. You shouldn't just dissolve yourself into this without an ego, without independent individual characteristics.
Speaker 21You are who you are, and that's the purpose of your life. You need to use the understanding of collective consciousness at the same time with the fact that you have to find your true authentic self, and that's the purpose of your life. Because a lot of people just become one with the energy. You don't have an ego. You're nothing.
Speaker 21Just dissolve. That's not the purpose of life. You still need to find out who you truly are and that's your path. But at the same time, we need to realize there is this collective consciousness, this all-pervasive unified field amongst the universe and we're connected to it and that's it. Because it can be kind of discomforting realizing that it's just one mind and you're all one part of it.
Speaker 21No, you're one part of the whole. This is a holographic reality. You're one individual droplet of the same universal soul. But because you're much more rare, you're a soul with a mind and a body. So instead of just being some amorphous, generalized soul, you're actually this beautiful individual creation, a divine being on this planet, and you have this chance to find out who you are and that's part of your life purpose.
Speaker 21So yeah, hopefully that's encouraging.
Speaker 14I just wanted to say real quick, John 14, 12, and I'll paraphrase because if I back out, it'll just kick me from here. But Jesus says to his followers, like, you'll do far greater things than me. The reasoning behind that is because everyone, their own personal unconscious, you have to collectively work as a whole to dissolve the illusions of the conoma.
Speaker 14Carl Jung, The Red Book by Carl Jung
Speaker 14It'll teach you about your own personal unconscious. And what tethers the two is the currency needed to connect is your symbols. It's called man and his symbols. Essentially, everyone is their own Pac-Man or Pac-Woman. You have to collect, connect, and cross-reference everything around you constantly to constantly decipher.
Speaker 14Because humanity, the human race, is an endangered species and we're only as strong as our weakest link. In the 2 Corinthians 5 verse 1 through 10, the heavenly bodies are Dua Makina, God from the machine. They're ex-Makina bodies. That's immortality.
Speaker 9I just want one record.
@joann_marieI love the day so much.
@malleusigYeah. If I had a time machine, one of the things I would do is go back and make that song never happen. That song fed like God knows how many millions of Africans and is probably the direct reason for why we have so many Africans right now and they're destroying everything around Africa.
@joann_marieIt's a good song though.
@malleusigIt is a great song, unfortunately, yes. You can like something that is destroying the world slowly, unfortunately. I know. Anyway.
@joann_marieNo, today has just been amazing.
@malleusigToday's been a really, really fun space, yeah.
@joann_marieI know!
@malleusigYeah, yeah. Alan, you wanted to just say something?
Speaker 18Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to respond to Rob. Rob, thank you very much for bringing that up. I'm very careful about these things. I'm an existentialist. I'm a behavioralist. I've spent my life trying to understand and work with human behavior. I'm a director of clinical operations, so I deal a lot with trying to heal people who are struggling.
Speaker 18I kind of stand in a different metaphysical place around this idea of collective consciousness. I was really glad to hear you talk about the uniqueness of the individual. Back in the 70s when I was studying analytic logic, I began to work on a proof of existence theorem.
Speaker 22It helped a lot this time to try and find Ayub because he's been taken out. What?
@malleusigI think we accidentally received the audio from another space or something.
Speaker 18Oh, wow. Was that a quantum event? Wrong number.
@nietzsche258918We're quantumly entangled.
Speaker 18I know. Your children are insane, Ian.
Speaker 3I was working on this proof-of-existence theorem, which...
Speaker 18I had, long before I began to study more deeply quantum mechanics and quantum physics, it was about the observer effect. But I didn't know about Schrodinger. I didn't know about the wave function. But what I thought about was consciousness is not falsifiable. I think we all can agree to that, right? It is a metaphysical concept.
Speaker 18We can't show it. We can't pull it out. But we experience it, I think. I can't I can listen to you and all of us in this space here communicating you know we're in some kind of a relational field and the relational field is uh I think uh
Speaker 18I think it's realistic to say that that's something that can kind of be proven that we're present with each other through this interface. But I believe that what you said is correct. I just don't believe like Dr. Bernardo Castro talks about this analytic idealism that we all kind of eventually meld into one consciousness.
Speaker 18I really believe that there is something incredibly unique. I am kind of a mind-body dualist, but I resonated with a lot of what you were saying, Rob. And this has been a lot of the work that I've been doing recently. And your concerns about AI are very real.
Speaker 18And I think there's a way
Speaker 18But unfortunately, hubris and greed and economic forces and the race for power is getting in the way. And now that we're into self-recursive models, I get worried that the human is out of the loop. And being out of the loop is a horrible thing. And in the last two years, it's a lot of what I've been doing in my work with artificial intelligence.
Speaker 18Thank you, Rob, for presenting that perspective. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 21Thank you, my friend. I'm going to follow you now and hopefully we can have some great conversations in the future because you have an amazing mind and a handle on this and this kind of duality that you speak of. That's that's the message as well, because a lot of the spiritual teachings get lost and people find that they lose their identity.
Speaker 21But, you know. There is proof that death is the illusion and we do take our conscious soul, Alan, Rob, Ian, JoAnn, we all take that across to us and that's the purpose of it. Don't lose yourself, you know what I mean? And people start learning about quantum physics as a materialist, but every single person ends up going down a very deeply spiritual and meaningful hole.
Speaker 21It is a spiritual trip and it connects all these dots. You know, with kind of ancient understandings of consciousness and spirituality. And I think that you're, you know, I think you're exactly right. Humans are becoming out of the loop here, you know, with this kind of more technocratic AI control states. He's saying self-recursive, you know, it's humans are losing all autonomy and it's happening in real time.
Speaker 21Like we're losing all agency. We're losing all power as citizens, as individuals. And like, that's that's one thing we can't We can't lose because I do think they're trying to evoke a synthetic frequency to take away from the divine frequency of this collective consciousness and to have humanity through this kind of biodigital transhumanist movement put us onto this new synthetic frequency of consciousness to supplant humanity as a whole, as this kind of collective consciousness.
Speaker 21So I think it's probably the most important issue of our time, but that's just my opinion. But I'm glad to meet someone who has such a beautiful grasp on this concept.
@joann_marieSorry, I was making a post. Thank you so much, Rob. And Ian, excellent, excellent space. Rabbi, I love that you covered for Dr. Heatherlyn, and I hope that we get her in the last of September. Yes, September. And yeah, no, excellent. I laughed so much and learned a lot as well. So thank you. It was awesome.
@malleusigYeah, this is great. Thanks. All right. When does True Study Space?
@joann_marieHe already started I'm gonna step down but yeah no I just wanted to to thank everyone and David amazing as always Dina I haven't seen you in a while Rob always no I love you all so and I had so much fun so thank you all so much and I'm gonna step down for a little bit and I'll see you guys at truth hopefully and yeah let's start let's start and direct everyone over there Ian are you good with that maybe Ian stepped away
@malleusigI'll see if I can get the link to his space date and I'll throw it up in the jumbo. Let's see if I can do this.
Speaker 23I think I can do that.
@malleusigLet's see.
@joann_marieIt's in the jumbo now. Oh, you got it? I don't know. I think I'm glitching and I can see it. I'm going to post it again.
@malleusigOkay. Let's see if I can post it too.
@joann_marieOh, it's there.
@malleusigWe'll do it twice. Okay, great. Excellent. All right. Perfect. All right. And I'll tell you what, I'll just play some music on the way out so we can end it nice and clean. JoAnn, have a great time over there and hopefully we'll see you there.
@joann_marieYes. No, I love you all so much and thank you.
@malleusigYou too. All right. Let's see. Let's go with...
@nietzsche258918Before we go with anything, great space, and I hope everyone follows Rabbi and Ian Malcolm and the other people on the stage. I enjoyed talking with all of you, my friends. Oh, yeah, always.
@malleusigAlways. All right. Oh, let's go with the Linkin Park song. That's a great one.
Speaker 19Here we go.
Speaker 24Night remains. The awakened in him is to be the absolute.
Speaker 19We want to talk, we have met the Greeks, we want the people around us to shake hands with us.
Speaker 19Eureka Q, Eureka Q, Eureka Q
Speaker 24Dear friends, no one in the world has ever spoken so reasonably as Adolf Hitler did.
Speaker 23No one has ever done more for peace than Adolf Hitler. What can we say?
Speaker 24I know that our task is to tell you again and again that we want to recognize that too, my friend.
Speaker 23We love to thank you for the power you have given us in these gigantic rings. That Judas is stupid and two-sided against us. An arrest and a one-time willingness to do so, that's what our whole people are for. Populism is sending its mats up here. The fight for our lives is close to its dramatic climax.
Ian MalcolmAnd very well done. And with that, what I will do, I know that Mr. Truth Teller has opened his room, so I'm going to recommend that everybody go over there before we do. I just want to thank, of course, Miss JoAnn, the incomparable co-hostess with the forever mostest, to the one and only Mr. Rabbi [guest], who, again, we had a conversation lined up.
Ian Malcolmand he was basically able last minute to pivot I know he went out of his way to be able to do so and it goes back to that idea right of leaning in putting out good energy doing things for the world around you that that is going to come full circle and I cannot thank him enough he was able to get his notes together and come on and give a massive conversation here on the metaphysics went through the morality of some of these things at the very offset
Ian MalcolmBut more so, this entire idea of how do we decide right, wrong, even the idea of what is sin itself. And as always, Rabbi bringing lots of fun, lots of laughter. And so, Mr. [guest], any kind of parting words here before we close down and send everybody to Mr. Truth Teller?
@malleusigNo, I just think it was a fantastic discussion and I hope we can do more of this.
Ian MalcolmAlways, always, always, my brother from another mother. And for everybody that is out there, Mr. Rob, I want to give immense thanks. To you for coming in here with some of your brilliance. As always, we have to get another one of our wellness spaces on the calendar. I'd like to do one on psychological well-being, given some of the things that we talked about here today, how we're just attacked and ambushed from every angle by these things that seek to essentially undermine the sense of the common good of what's between our ears, as well as, of course, our body, our mind, our soul, all those other things that we talk about.
Ian MalcolmSo with that, I just want to welcome everybody to jump over to Mr. Truthteller's room. Always like to support all the things that he's doing. I will certainly be in there listening in. I look forward to the conversation we have with you tomorrow. It's going to be with an individual who they're actually going to be joining from an alt because they just got nuked.
Ian MalcolmWe're going to be discussing some of the things on American nationalism, have a whole bunch of additional spaces lined up for you for the rest of this week. Very excited for all of them. Again, I want to thank everybody, Miss JoAnn, Mr. Rob, Mr. Rabbi. As always, certainly good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world.
Ian MalcolmI do believe what Rob was saying there about us representing something far bigger than what we recognize, right? There are lots of chosen voices and actors that are out there. And for the most part, it is all about me, me, me, and I, I, I. It's about the money. It's about the monetization. It's about the clout. All that other nonsense in these rooms.
Ian MalcolmI don't care if you have one follower, if you have a billion followers, right? What I care about is that we try and have productive conversations that move the needle. And if we look around, we're certainly doing exactly that. And so with that being said, certainly, as always, God bless to everybody for everything that you are.
Ian MalcolmGodspeed. We are going to continue winning. And because Rabbi had some wonderful little music there and JoAnn had some laughs, going to give us a little send off here as we wind out the space.