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- 0:00Introducing David Irving's GrandsonAdam Irving, David Irving's grandson, introduces himself and provides an update on his grandfather's health and the continuation of his work.
- 12:14Preserving David Irving's LegacyAdam discusses the challenges of organizing David Irving's scattered work and the ongoing efforts to digitize his extensive research.
- 20:29David Irving's Early Career & ScrutinyThe conversation delves into David Irving's early career as a respected historian and his eventual pivot to questioning mainstream narratives, leading to intense scrutiny.
- 35:12Modern Parallels & CensorshipAdam and Ian discuss the parallels between David Irving's experiences and contemporary issues of censorship, particularly concerning AI and social media.
- 52:28Threats and HarassmentAdam shares disturbing anecdotes about the threats and harassment David Irving faced throughout his career, including break-ins and surveillance.
- 57:10Legacy's Growing RecognitionThe discussion highlights the increasing recognition of David Irving's work and the impact it has on millions of people, especially in the era of social media.
- 1:07:07Churchill's War Volume 3 UpdateAdam provides an update on the progress of publishing Churchill's War Volume 3 and the meticulous process of source checking.
- 1:09:17Epstein Scandal & BlackmailThe conversation shifts to the Epstein scandal, discussing its implications as a potential blackmail operation and the role of Jewish supremacists.
- 1:15:46Transhumanism & Societal ControlThe discussion explores the concept of transhumanism, its links to pedophilia, and the broader implications for societal control and the future of humanity.
- 1:22:33The Awakening & Truth's TriumphParticipants discuss the ongoing 'awakening' to hidden truths, the challenges of confronting powerful narratives, and the enduring legacy of David Irving's pursuit of truth.
The Transcript
Ian MalcolmWell alright everybody, Mr Truth teller, how are you my good friend?
Ian MalcolmLet's see if this is working. if anybody can hear, please, throw up maybe an emoji, some kind of positivity. Let's see if that's working.
Ian MalcolmAnything, any but- Okay, there we go, a thumbs up, wonderful! Mr. Tom, there we go. Alright, we got some emojis coming in. And, we've got a, speaker invite going out. Miss Joanne, I sent a co-host invite in the event that you wanna come up here. And I'm gonna hope that this application works smoothly. And, I say that 'cause I see that we've got, our wonderful guest here. We've also got, the incomparable Mr. Truth Teller and Joanne that are up here. it is- It's showing that they are speakers on my end and for what's up, there we go. Now Joanne's showing as a co-host, Truth is showing as a listener. this is all kinds of wonky. And, just moments ago, it was showing that, I had zero followers and was following zero people. which is pretty concerning because that's usually the, warning sign you're about to get nuked, which I hope isn't the case. Hopefully it's just a little glitch here with, with X. But, but And I will mention this, I think it's a very interesting way to open this space, to the incomparable guests that we have here. We are going to be walking through, with direct family and, and relatives to Mr. David Irving, who is a legend in this, in this effort, in this endeavor, in this truth movement. he has put his livelihood, as well as his career, his reputation, and essentially his life on the line In pursuit of the truth, and in the effort to uncover that,
Ian Malcolmhe has been, dragged through the mud by a lot of the mainstream media as well as the academics due to all of the things that we talk about in these spaces. he was one of the original individuals that kind of came out with a very prominent voice, and prior to anything and everything controversial, was essentially one of the most revered and esteemed historians of His era. This isn't just some voice that was out on social media, at the time of course it didn't exist, right? But this was an individual that according to all of the academics, all of the media, all of the big, elites, right? This was an individual who was of the Highest esteem, highest regard, and then started looking a little bit curiously into World War II, some of that history and the rest. Well, I guess that is history, and we are going to learn all about this, directly from the source itself. So I'm very, very humbled, very honored, and we're gonna hear not just about the legacy of, but also the present status of Mr. David Irving, in, in, modernity here. And so just first and foremost, as a quick little check-in with, with everybody up here on the panel and with our guest, Joanne, truth, are you guys able to hear okay or is the app glitching for you guys?
@joann_marieHey, I'm glad you sound perfect.
Ian MalcolmAll right, that is wonderful. And for our guest, if I'm not mistaken, I think this may be the first time, that you've been in a space, so I just wanna test, is the microphone working on your end? Can you hear us? And if so, can we hear I
Speaker 1hope so. are
Ian Malcolmyou able to help me? There we go, we sure can. and I, I just wanna thank you so very much, and I know that, have, have been in, let's say the back channels messaging with you for quite a little while here, trying to set this all in motion and to provide a forum that can serve as a set of updates for anybody and everybody, as well as kind of a look back on the life of Mr. David Irving. So with, with that being said, maybe to turn the, the- Panel or the speaker, the microphone over in your direction, if you wouldn't mind giving us perhaps just a little bit of the status quo, how things are going, how the health is going, and then maybe we can start to go into the backstory of, the legacy of Mr. David Irving.
Speaker 1Sure. Well, just to introduce myself, I'm Adam Irving, I'm David Irving's grandson, and I've been running Irving Books for the last two years since he fell ill. David's no longer able to work, but he's comfortable, he's at home, he has a full-time carer, and, yeah, I'm delighted to be here today and, and answer any questions that you may have.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, Adam, and it's, it's our, our pleasure, and we're certainly humbled to have you here and, and to get some of these updates. And, and just first and foremost, really appreciate the update, specifically on David with his health. I know that you guys have kind of publicly announced some of the, the challenges there, but I, I'm, I'm very, very glad to hear that, that he's well, that he's resting, that he's comfortable, with his family. and, and when it comes to some of
Ian MalcolmRunning the legacy at this point of, of David. can you give us maybe a, a bit of, an overview on, on what that entails, on some of the, the legacy that he has right now in literature, how prospectively individuals that might be listening in, how they can support that, that effort, and, and then we can dive a little bit into the works themselves and maybe the backstory of him.
Speaker 1Yeah, so, Well, the problem when, when David fell ill and we had to take over, was that everything was very scattered, and David had become essentially a, a one-man band by that point through all the trials and tribulations that he'd faced. So he went from previous time where he would have had a publisher, and all he would have had to do is concentrate on writing, to
Speaker 1publishing, designing, literally being the person To take the books to the post office, that kind of thing. So when we picked it up, we really had to work out where everything was, what the status of Church's War, Volume Three is, which is gonna be his, the final book that we published by him, and various other things. So it was a little bit of a puzzle trying to, to, to get everything together. That was, that was really one of the biggest challenges that we, that we faced,
Speaker 1But we've managed to get things into some order now, and, we, we've been putting together various different projects like the Irving collection, where we, we've been digitizing his research that he, did over fifty years, and a lot of that is literally grunt work, which is scanning old microfilms and microfiche and make it available for everybody to see. To be able to explore.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely. And, and when it comes to so, some of that footage, and it, it's such a strange point in time, right? Because for those that are, are unfamiliar, maybe with the work directly, it, it's kind of this weird window in history, right, where there certainly was relevant versions of media, people had camcorders and things of that nature, but it's, it's not like today where everything is just recorded via somebody's, you know, media studio Which we basically all have in our pockets with microphones and high-res cameras and whatnot. so can you speak a little bit about maybe the, the mediums that you do have access to? Obviously, there's the books that he's put together, but I'm, I'm very curious for some of the other content that you just referenced there with some of the film, that may exist and, and, and where that's being sourced or, or made available, if at all.
Speaker 1Well, we have a collection of, of film that he took over the years. A lot of it is family footage, but I'm hoping to come across some, potential interviews and, and things like that, which would, which were done on an old cine camera, so it's 16 millimeter film, and we've been projecting that with an old-fashioned Siemens 2000 projector, and then we literally, take a, you know, we- We shoot video at, at the projector, and we've been digitizing and hoping to come across something interesting, but that's sort of early days. But what we've actually done for the last year is, is a lot to do with microfilm. So David was one of the first people to be allowed into the KGB archive, and I think probably one of the last Westerners to, to be allowed in too.
Speaker 1And he was gifted a lot of material by the archives over that, and that included the, the Gorbals diaries, but it also included other materials which he didn't get around to scanning or, or utilizing as part of his work. So a lot of this material's potentially not been seen for at least, you know, sixty or seventy years because it had been kept in the, in the Moscow archives. Which didn't even have its own microfilm reader at the time, so they wouldn't have even been looking at it, and we've been making that available. Obviously, it's quite niche because you have to be able to speak German to read a lot of it, a lot of it's written in old, old German, but we're the whole advancement With all the advances that we have in AI now, a lot of that work, what passes scanning,
Speaker 1has become relatively simple in that we can export that into English, we can then analyze it, y- using LLMs, and it then becomes a more, a more useful, a more useful format For other researchers and archivists to use. But essentially, they can always go back to the originals, if they don't trust our translations which we release, and they can sort of do their own work on it. So no one really needs to trust us. They're also welcome to come and fi- physically inspect it if they need to.
Speaker 1but yeah, a lot of this work would have also been, Would have also been sources that, that, that my granddad used for, for his books, and are quoted in his books as, sources, yeah.
Ian MalcolmNo, and it, it, it's, it's gonna be wild, and, and what I would love to do, and, and look, I know this is gonna be difficult 'cause you're looking through the prism of, of this extremely lengthy, and, and historic life but maybe to go back to, right? His, his visits of those archives, his access to, the, those types of pieces of history that are, are certainly being intentionally destroyed, right? And, and the thing that's so spectacular is in this room with these listeners, you know, we've kind of found this collective of individuals that, that recognize that we all essentially live in, in Orwell's nineteen eighty-four, and, and that the past is being rewritten, the present is, is being, exactly, and, and that's what I'm, I'm I'm so curious to try and understand as, as, as best as you might feel comfortable kind of walking through it, you know, those early days as, as your grandfather was, was making this pivot and starting to, you know, look behind the curtain at perhaps the, the Wizard of Oz and start to recognize that things maybe weren't as, as, as, as they seem. and I know it's maybe a bit of a tall order, but I'd, I'd be very curious for, especially for the listeners, if, if you wouldn't mind trying to give your best rendition of that backstory and, and, and how he kind of came to, to these realizations, and then maybe walk up to that point where he walked into these archives that, you know, are essentially being scattered like dust in the wind, and, and, and they're trying to take the legacy and all the findings that he made and, and of course, kind of destroy them in, in modernity here. so I know it's a, a
Ian MalcolmProvide your best rendition of it.
Speaker 1Break it down for me, because it's quarter past ten PM here, so I'm a bit tired. So, just to simplify your question and say it again. Yeah,
Ian Malcolmno, absolutely. just kind of curious to, to go back to, you know, the life of, of your grandfather as, as best you can perhaps recollect, with his kind of pivot from historian to truther to individual that was kind of under scrutiny from anybody and everybody for asking these questions.
Speaker 1It's a difficult one. I think my, my mom is also hiding in the listener section here. I wonder if we can get her involved too. She's not too shy.
Ian MalcolmI would, I absolutely love that. People are saying
Speaker 1that. I just saw a few hearts going there. Maybe we can get more hearts, we can get her joining. No, let's
Ian Malcolmget, we can put up a poll or something. Can we get some emojis and, and some love perhaps, and, and maybe Joanne, as a, another female, can offer some words of, of inspiration or motivation.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, we've been, we've been quite private as a family till now, to be honest, and it's only with sort of recent events that are happening, you know, in the UK and as a result of sort of getting more involved with David's work that I've, I've become reluctantly sort of more publicly involved because I have to say, like, you know, I'm not the most knowledgeable person on the planet about my grandfather's work, there's other people who'd be way more knowledgeable about,
Speaker 1Some of the books and, and things that he's written, but I can give a perspective on him as a sort of a man and as a family guy and, and, and really from that perspective, and I'd be happy to give a perspective on On some of the issues that we face today as well.
Ian Malcolmabsolutely. And if, and if she, i-if she would, feel comfortable, certainly let her know that, that she can request a microphone, depending on what device she's on. I think it's gonna be on the lower left-hand side, and we'll certainly bring her up, immediately, and, and would welcome her, her thoughts and, and her warm wishes, of course, for the man and the, the, the myth that we're all very, very excited to be able
Speaker 1Maybe she's only pretending to listen, she's already gone to bed, who knows?
Speaker 1but yeah, I mean, his, his career's been complicated, hasn't it? Because at the beginning, he started out as someone who was very respected in, in sort of mainstream, and, that started with his book on the destruction of Dresden, which was, essentially he found out about those horrors from a survivor, coworker that he- He met when he was working in Germany on a, on a steel site,
Speaker 1which is also where he learned how to speak German by reading the newspaper. and when he came back, he wrote this book on, on, on the horrors of what people had reported to, where basically women and children had been completely firebombed, really, really horrific scenes. And The numbers vary, but from, I know that sort of David said that the, that there were higher casualties than had previously been reported.
Speaker 1but yeah, I think it already started with that, and I, I don't know if you wanna go back Go back further than that, I guess, well, you can also read "Bombed Up," which is, his, his memoir, which does start off with a, like a little snapshot of, you know, that they used to see the German bombers flying over, and, and one time actually, one of them, one of the planes crashed. And, they found the wreckage, and as a little boy, him and his, his brother thought it was quite funny to, to, to come back with a boot, and it was a boot of a German soldier with the foot still in there. Because that's what kids were seeing at that time, you know? You were seeing planes come over by foreign people, foreign people who were basically our cousins, European cousins, and, and they wondered
Speaker 1Why that happens, I suppose that's where his cur- curiosity first started, and was then enhanced by what he learned when he went to Germany.
Speaker 1and from there, I guess he managed to get like sort of the trust of people on, on, on Hitler's inner circle. And so he was able to, to get access to sources, to information that maybe a sort of Western historians, mainstream historians couldn't.
Speaker 1but as time went on, I suppose he probably saw that more and more of the narrative of what they were told at the time, and perhaps as an extension, what we're told happened as well, wasn't necessarily a faithful truth. So He wrote, for example, Hitler's War, which when he did his second edition revised certain information on the basis of new research that he had that came to light. And, and I believe that part of that was really,
Speaker 1cutting out, in, in his words, a, a lot to do with a, a sort of purposeful Holocaust. Where? People were murdered, on the basis of-- I mean, of course, he said that there were people murdered on the basis of being Jews, but what he would, did say was that a lot of these figures were to do with disease and starvation in the camps,
Speaker 1and that kind of was against the sort of mainstream consensus at the time, which was that these were
Speaker 1executions. Mainly done on purpose.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, and that's, that's where you start looking through this piece of history, and you start recognizing that, perhaps the good guys weren't so good, and perhaps the bad guys, maybe, I don't wanna say weren't so bad, but, but maybe were mistreated equally as much as, as maybe history would make- I think
Speaker 1it's mixed, it's mixed today as well, isn't it? It's like, you know, when we see, you know, When, when you look at the British news, you know, most of the time the villain is, is, is Russia. But it's much more nuanced than that. I mean, you know, every c-country has had its part to play in this disaster that we're currently living in, this dystopian kind of future that we've come to.
Speaker 1and I don't think it's, it's useful
Speaker 1To try and pin it all on one country or one type of people, because this has been, you know, there's many sort of faulty men who have created this reality that we live in now.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, and that's one of the common denominators of, of, of this conversation at large, right? Is that, we find ourselves in the aftermath of World War II. Lots of different parties with lots of different interests, we do note a, a, a strange common denominator kind of at the bottom of all of them, which I think is, is the uncomfortable conversation that inevitably resulted in a lot of the backlash against David's work, right? Is that he started speaking about maybe the interests that, that,
Ian Malcolmperhaps had won the war and therefore dominated the narrative. and, and that's the thing that we find today with some of these spooky parallels, 'cause I think, you know- You know, again in this room, we have a lot of people that recognize there seems to be a stranglehold on the media, on technology, on AI, which is becoming essentially the- I think it's
Speaker 1scarier now because the, the technology that we have now makes this even worse than the last time around.
Speaker 1it does worry me quite a lot.
Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, and I'd, I'd be kind of curious for your thoughts, i-in terms of, of David and, and some of his worldviews, as it might relate to modernity. And, and I, I say that 'cause I, I know he's of course been dealing with, with some health challenges, but, everything that's been taking place with Israel and kind of this growing awareness to perhaps Donald Trump's, not only Trump's, but, but also the media and academia and all these other groups' subservience to these, these aligned interests Let's call them, whether it's Israel or, or kind of global banking, I'm, I'm kind of curious for his thoughts if he shared some of them with you on the current events that we find ourselves in and maybe some of the similarities with, with the work he did in the past.
Speaker 1I mean, he's not really able to, to share that kind of opinion now, but when I was listening to, to Bang Up, the other day One thing I found interesting, he was talking about, you know, some of the horrors that were happening twenty years ago, in Israel and Palestine, and the fact that we're still sitting here twenty years later, and only just now
Speaker 1are we able to actually discuss it, the horrors of it, in a more open way,
Speaker 1I find it Don't know, very difficult.
Speaker 1it's very difficult when you do what, what we do, and even just as a business, even a, a someone who's not like really an expert in any of these subjects, but just as a result in working in all of this, you kind of have to be confronted with it, and seeing the scale that, At what Israel has done, for example, in Palestine, I find very difficult, and, and David's been someone who was pushing to really reveal all of that like quite some time ago, when it wasn't really a very popular subject over here.
Speaker 1but, but yeah, times have changed, and I feel like the- The population's opinions have changed, and yet they, the government's are, are still pushing a different agenda. So you can have a population full, full of people who feel sympathy for Palestinians, for example, over here, and yet our government still supports Israel, you know, still seems to allow us to, to, to sell them weapons, et cetera, and I don't quite understand that. it obviously means that we don't live in a democracy, because if we did, then the will of the people, which would be to stop funding these endless wars that, to be honest, we don't really have-- we shouldn't have anything to do with, we do, but we shouldn't, and yet we do.
Ian MalcolmNo, and that's, that's the craziest piece is recognizing that not only do the politicians involve themselves in these wars where the United States and at this point, Western Europe really has no benefit, of, of going in and supporting a literal genocide, and yet they do. The media seems to cover it up, the technology companies seem to censor those that speak about it. And, and to give you an idea, and Adam, I work
Speaker 1with, I, I work with AI all day long because so much of what we do is sort of changing Formats and things like that. So try and take, text from, from a handwritten scan and convert it into something readable. So I'm constantly dealing, with AI. And you wouldn't believe the amount of censorship around David Irving. You can barely even talk about him on Claude or ChatGPT without it refusing to even answer your question. And we're not like asking it to even agree, you know, oftentimes it's just literally refusing to talk about him in any kind of balanced way whatsoever.
Speaker 1And that's another fear that I have about the future actually is, the more and more that we rely on these tools, the more and more we're guided into what conversations we're even allowed to have with a robot. And that's even more scary when we're spending more and more of our time talking to these platforms rather than to other human beings. So the potential for like psychological manipulation as well is huge.
Speaker 1so we have to make sure that those technologies are-- that we at least have open source like alternatives, Because the worst thing that could happen with all of these technologies is that they really end up with like two or three players, and that you're forced to use one of them, but yet they're constantly dictating, you know, even what, what we're allowed to debate with a robot online about.
Ian MalcolmThat's, that's so accurate. And, and Adam, to give you, and, and this was crazy to me, because we talk about a lot of sensitive materials in these spaces, and, and we often point fingers in a pretty universal direction, and it's, it's often at a power structure that seems to control everything, so much so, to give you an idea, Tito Unleashed, who is in the listener panel, he's a wonderful content creator, and he has spent, not only a lot of his, his time, but also money out of
Ian MalcolmAI content to try and serve as basically, a, advertisements, if you will, for the spaces that we host. He sent me a note earlier saying he saw from AI something he had never witnessed, which was a response to his prompt saying the following. It said, and he's, he's got a screenshot of it, "This prompt might violate our policies about generating prominent people. Please try a different prompt or supply your feedback." And it said that over and over and over again, and refused to make a video for him that featured the name David Irving in the video, and so he had to end, end up putting David Irving parenthesis historian to even get the AI to generate the video that he wanted to try and honor the legacy of your grandfather, just to showcase how right that is. I used
Speaker 1to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I used to, I'll allow you to talk, talk about it. but yeah, like, it, it's a, it's a struggle. And in fact, I've had like one of my, like, one of my AI accounts was actually shut down, and the only thing that I, I could see that led to that was the fact that I had,
Speaker 1I'd put some of these microfilms that we'd scanned, and I was trying to analyze them to see if there was anything interesting that hadn't, you know, hadn't been revealed. And, And the next day I woke up and I had been logged out of my account and, yeah, and, yeah, so that's the direction that's heading. But I mean, I also fear that-- and I don't know if I've ever said this publicly before, but there was one time
Speaker 1going on the, on the thread of technology and, and surveillance, for example, where Within months of taking over this operation,
Speaker 1I think my mom and I were in the car and we stopped off at a service station and, and out of her phone from nowhere were people talking in what I believe to be Hebrew, so instead of acc-- they accidentally pressed on the speaker button rather than on the Record microphone button, which seems to be some sort of like Pegasus related kind of software,
Speaker 1and,
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, it's quite scary, and I, I thought surely it can't, like, that's too basic that these people wouldn't accidentally talk out of your phone rather than be listening in. And I'd seen that there are other cases of people where the same thing had happened to them, so apparently it is something that does happen.
Speaker 1I guess because of the, the way that, like, microphone speakers work, where they can be reversed, the technology is effectively the same, they just like reverse the input.
Ian MalcolmWell, you know, one of the scary, thoughts there, 'cause I've heard of things like that, but, the, the assumption that I have i-is rather terrifying because, it's my assumption that not only are they doing that because they're listening in, but that it's not an accident. In, i-in other words, that they are doing that because they want you to know that they are listening and that that's essentially an intimidation tactic.
Speaker 1Yeah, I did worry, I, I did wonder about that more like- I, I thought,
Speaker 1you know, coming from probably one of the most intelligent intelligence agency on the planet, it, it's, it's quite, an odd mistake to make unless they want you to hear. And someone once told me, the classic technique they used to use in, for example, the old days would be that they would enter your house, but all they would do would be to, like, leave a, a cup of tea in the middle of your table that you never put there, kind of thing, sort of just to, like, sort of- F with you, but in a way that, like, was quite subtle, and I guess it's maybe it's like the modern day equi-equivalent, which is just kind of like, "We're just letting you know that we're here."
Ian MalcolmNo, it's, it's, Big Brother, from Orwell, in, in, in ways that I can't really describe. And so, so that was as you were getting through this, and, and I'm kind of curious for other, thoughts or experiences that you think that your grandfather has faced. where not only was he being, let's say, persecuted by the media and, and by the other powers that be, but, is this something that he's, he's dealt with his entire life, where he felt spied on, felt harassed, heckled, stalked, traced? I'm, I'm, I'm kind of curious.
Speaker 1Yeah. I mean- I know that every time that he left to go on, on a work trip, which was a lot of the time, and my grandma told me recently that actually, like, he would always hire, a bodyguard because, there were safety concerns. I think I once even heard a story that he used to carry, like, a bassinet with, some rope because they lived on the second or third floor, floor apartment. And when Jessica's fifth daughter was a baby, apparently he kept that, he kept some rope in a basket just in case he needed to lower her out the window instead of,
Speaker 1if there was an emergency of people coming into the flat, because there had been people that had broken into his house before, and people dressed up as telecom engineers, that kind of thing. I think one of them, ended up founding some kind of left-wing newspaper or something, and maybe even just recently, I think very recently died actually, a guy that was, actually convicted on some kind of, on charge that was, that was related.
Speaker 1yeah, and they all sort of like loosely end up connecting back to, to suspicious networks,
Speaker 1I know there was a plot, there was a plot I read about, and I remember reading about this, and if anybody can point out like where I had this from, I'd love to see the article again 'cause I've lost it. but I remember reading about the fact that, like, at some point, there was even a plot to kidnap him and take him back to Israel or something, something so ridiculous like that from, from another, Europe-- from a European country.
Speaker 1and then I think he'd later got warned by some embassy or another that, that this was Happening, so he made sure he wasn't there. But I think there were so many different, I'm so surprised that he made it this far, to be honest, with all the attacks and events and conferences that he took part of, and, and yeah, it must have been very scary,
Speaker 1probably for him and my grandmother, back at that time.
Ian MalcolmNo, and if she is in the listener panel, as a result, I, I just wanna thank her for standing by his side and, and, and your family and acting as a, a rock for him, 'cause I, I can't imagine what that would be like to, either be in the shoes of or to be next to and, and married to the individual that was going through these types of, of horrors. I actually don't know which would be more difficult, right? To, to, to be your grandfather or your grandmother in that scenario. Either, either way, And the wildest part is, and I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on this, and if, if David, you know, what his thoughts might be, to the growing awareness of perhaps the accuracy of his message that for decades at this point has, resulted in him being harassed and heckled and stalked and perhaps even threats of kidnapping, it, it, you know, what it means to him to now recognize that it's not just, you know, kind of obscure individuals and revisionist history, kind of fans that are starting to, to recognize The accuracy of his message, but that literally millions of people are probably watching with a regular basis, and I know this because I've, I've shared some of the clips from your grandfather that have hundreds of thousands or millions of views, and, and what it means to him and to yourself and to the rest of your family to know that there are not just millions, tens of millions of people that are realizing how right he was.
Speaker 1Well, I remember, and this must have been about a year and a half ago, when he came back from hospital, and we did this whole campaign to sort of like let people, to make people aware of his condition, and I guess it tied, you know, it sort of coincided with sort of increased awareness, Maybe because of what was happening between Israel and Gaza, sort of like some sort of secondary effect of that was that there was renewed found attention on David's work, and I guess with social media, a lot of those clips were shared around, on different platforms, and so it sort of took on a, a, a life of its own again. And,
Speaker 1and when we told him how many books we were selling, he was amazed. Because for a few years it had, like I said, it had just been him, him alone, and it was like some kind of thing had just woken up again and, and, and just sort of took off. And I know that he was really happy about that, and, and as a result of, as a result of that, and everybody, and so many, you know, fans,
Speaker 1buying his books, we've, we've been able to keep him at home. And we've been able to, to keep him comfortable because I don't believe that, that a, that a care home,
Speaker 1would be able to kind of give him the, the attention that he needs. And to be honest, I wouldn't want to see anybody's relatives. Put into an, into a state run care home in the UK, because it's a pretty depressing place to be.
Ian MalcolmNo, and I, I just put up into the nest, two little things here. One is, from Sequoia, who, like with many other individuals, is just expressing their, their love and admiration. this one's suggesting, oh, sorry?
Speaker 1I just said thank you.
Ian MalcolmOh, no, ab-- stating your grandfather's an absolute legend. and then another note from, from Paloma, and I'm, I'm, presuming this might be, either a, a colleague or maybe another family member, but suggesting
Speaker 1that my mom. Oh,
Ian Malcolmwonderful. Okay, well, so, so Paloma, so, so honored and, and humbled to have you here and, to, to, to have the, the daughter suggesting, that the home was broken into multiple times, that Tainted, was burned down, that he was attacked out of blue regularly and, and just wild for people to hear about this, and I, I just, I wanna highlight it so that individuals recognize the, the literal struggle and, and war that essentially he's had to go through trying to just share these truths with the world.
Speaker 1Well, I think that the, the, the The name for the, the memoir that he wanted to write was, was called Irving's War, and I think it would have been quite fitting if he'd finished it, because he has definitely faced his, a lot of trials in his lifetime. yeah, it, it's quite impressive to be honest. I don't know how anybody
Speaker 1would have had the kind of work ethic that He had whilst at the same time having to deal with the constant problems, because, you know, I have to deal with the constant problems, but I don't have to deal with having to write, you know, books, and it's enough. so I really, really don't know how somebody was able to, to put up with
Speaker 1With everything that came his way, and at that time when, you know, the hatred towards him in the country at one point was horrendous from the general population, he always had fans, but at one point, you know, it wasn't pleasant at all.
Ian MalcolmNo, I can only imagine. And, and, honored and humbled to, to be with you, Adam, and also with, our co-host, Mr. Truth Teller, who, kind of, to a lesser extent, of course, 'cause it's all digital, but, of course, weathers massive amounts of pushback for talking about a lot of the issues that, that your grandfather was a pioneer in. and I, I just wanna bring attention to him and, and see if he has, any questions specifically for,
Speaker 2Sure, thank you, Ian, and thank you, David, for being here. I hope your grandfather, I pray for your grandfather's health improves and he sticks around as long as he can, and, you know, obviously he's on every moment you can to learn as much as you can from him. So I studied, you know, I don't wanna call him Dr. Irving, studied David Irving's work for many years. And one particular point among many, one is that, who, who financed Churchill, particularly after 1929, the various Jewish banksters, such as Bernard Berreux. But then second point was, who financed Hitler as well? And I, I watched again that video that's out there online that even your, your grandfather acknowledged that he wasn't sure about the, the main source, claiming that, you know, it came from Bruning, who was the former chancellor of Germany, who claimed that, you know, Hitler was financed by two of the
Speaker 2big banks in Berlin, they were controlled by, by the Jews essentially since 1928, they were the two biggest contributors. I already done the research and found out that it was mainly German industrialists, entrepreneurs, et cetera, that financed You know, the National Socialists only took power in '33, and then of course they arrested the Rothschilds, you know, seized all their assets. They certainly wouldn't need funding then. But what are your thoughts on, you know, Bruning's letter? Does your grandfather still believe that it was those two banks in Berlin that financed the National Socialists between 1928 and 1933? Thank you.
Speaker 1That's an interesting answer that I personally don't have an answer to. However, we are currently putting all of David's information into a RAG, that connects to, to an LLM. And so I can ask it questions. It, it takes a couple of minutes for me to get an answer, but if somebody wants to send me a list of questions for me to ask the robot, I can, and it, it has access to his diaries, a lot of his research, and,
Ian Malcolmand books. And is that, Adam, is that LLM ultimately something that-- and, and I, I apologize, if I'm, I'm technologically, you know, kind of misrepresenting this, but, but do you think there's a, a world in which all of this wonderful research that your grandfather has done could be fed into this LLM that ultimately individuals could interface with to ask-- I don't want to say that, to ask questions directly to your grandfather, but essentially-
Speaker 1That's the plan, and I have to say that we've even done an internal demo. Where we've used the same voice that we've used for the voice, for the audiobooks that have been reconstructed in his vo- his voice using AI, and we connected it to an LLM, where we've been able to get it to retrieve answers and talk as if it were David, aren't they? Obviously, like the sort of potential for like this kind of thing to be misused more generally, like, 'cause I can see that it'd be easy enough for anybody else to do with anybody's voice, it's huge, but for the purposes- Of what we want to do, which is to basically, like, if you're a fan and you want to be able to have a conversation with David Irving, and David Irving isn't po- isn't able to answer your question, well, there's a sort of AI likeness that can do, do it.
Speaker 1so that is actually something that we're currently working on, and we hope to have sort of like a A public demonstration of it available soon. It's a bit complicated because there's a lot of private diaries that we have, but obviously, there's only part of them that are relevant for the public, whilst, you know, obviously people sensitive information has to be kept safe.
Speaker 1which is what gives it that kind of, and it gives it the ability to go back to a certain point in his career to a particular diary tape, right? So you can go, "Okay, I want to know what David's opinion was on this at..." This particular time and then sort of cross, cross reference it with his works for an answer to your question. And that's really been something that I've been excited of working, wh-which I've been working on and I'm excited about.
Speaker 1but yeah, it's early days. But yeah, question, question like, like the one that we just received, that would be a great one for Winston, which is what we're calling this technology. So I think eventually it'll be live on the domain name winston dot study, but it's, it's probably not gonna be there for a couple of months. No, but just because I would prefer that people ask that kind of question to what is a faithful David Irving reconstruction rather than me trying to answer someone's question. And I'm just the publisher essentially, I'm the business guy, and sure I have my own opinions, but I'm probably not the, like, I'm definitely not the world expert on, on World War II history.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and, and they're very large shoes to fill. I, I, I don't know how you could possibly try to, to do so. But, that idea of, of Winston is, is phenomenal, extremely exciting, and I can, I can just envision 'Cause we've seen this in, hosts of, of spaces like this on, on Twitter, the likes of, of Village and Denison, who he'll bring in, essentially Grok, right? And he'll, he'll have a conversation with Grok and ask it questions that might be of relevance for the audience. I, I can only envision a space, with, with Truth Teller in a not so distant future where he could engage directly with the audio likeness of your grandfather and pull from, you know, all of the brilliant work that he put together over
Ian MalcolmExciting.
Speaker 1No, it's definitely exciting and it, and it makes my life easier too, because we have so many people who write in with very specific questions, and it's like, I, I really don't know, but at least now I can kind of consult this and, and try and give people an answer. But, yeah, it's gonna be way better when, when we just have like a, there's a public interface where people can sort of like interact with it directly instead of having to message us. We did actually on our Discord server, and I don't know if That's listening now is also a member of, of, of the Discord server that we set up. but we had, we did actually trial some of this, with varying degrees of success, but so yeah, join our Discord server if you haven't already joined, because there is a, a version of Winston floating around on, on there.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and really quickly, and Adam, I, I, I'll lead the witness here. I put up in the nest, scan London. Commented in the, the, purple pill here, saying the new audiobook of David's time in prison, in Austria is live as of yesterday. not sure if that's accurate information, but figured I would use that to kind of tee up a question in terms of supporting your father's work or grandfather's work, whether it's written books or audiobooks or Discord or some of these other things that you're working on and how listeners can, can support in that work that, he, he's put together.
Speaker 1yeah, we did actually launch, Banged Up yesterday, as an audiobook, which is his prison, his prison memoir.
Speaker 1and I think it was a really interesting one to, to bring to life because it's such a personal account of what essentially solitary confinement looked like in Europe at that point. For essentially, for what I thought crime.
Speaker 1but yeah, in terms of, for supporting our work, well, actually, you know, originally with the urban collection dot org, which was, which is the resource that we have of, of the microfilms that David bases work on and the unreleased, files from the Moscow archive, those we, we did originally have a fee-paying structure on that, and actually people are able to access that free of charge until at least the 31st of March.
Speaker 1so download whichever documents you're interested in before then. but if, if People are actually interested in, in us being able to keep that kind of material open, and available for those who wanna see it, who, who perhaps can't pay. We, we're trying to encourage people to donate. so yeah, on the book side of things, happy for you guys to buy a book, but if you wanna keep the research open and free, those of you who can, please donate, because we have a ton of costs that we don't cover Of that, which includes like a guy who's literally in several days a week just spending all day scanning,
Speaker 1server costs and software costs and, and god knows what, but we really do wanna keep that all free of charge, at the point of entry if we can. but yeah, that The best way that people can, and the other way that people can support us as well is, is, is let us know what you discover. Like if you look through those documents, if you can speak German, if you're good with AI, and you're able to translate documents and, and, and try and
Speaker 1Find links of inquiry that are interesting, that perhaps haven't surfaced till now because this material hadn't been out there. Well, let us know, let's all try and build, you know, a better picture of what happened together. And, you know, that's why I'm trying to create this space around You know, David's work, so it's like, okay, we have David's work, but we also have a forum now where people who are interested in David's work can talk about it on Discord. They can talk about the documents that they've looked through, and they can all try and help each other in the ways that they're good at and trying to get a, a fuller picture of what, what went down.
Speaker 3Yeah, I would definitely volunteer. I'm, A German resident and, I also just realized, on your, homepage, the, irvingbooks dot com, the X-link, for,
Speaker 3For the profile is gone. that
Speaker 1broke. I think it's broken because, well, I need to get it updated, but we had, David's previous PA had registered the Twitter handle at, Irving Books and- They're no longer in contact, and I tried reaching out to her, I didn't hear anything back, so we can't claim that, that Twitter handle, you know, because which had been sort of sitting there empty for like years.
Speaker 1And recently, Elon put in some option that if a Twitter handle had been sitting there like not utilized for a long time, you could, you could bid to get it back. So we changed our Twitter handle from Irving underscore Books to Irving Books. so yeah, well actually, we're in the process of revamping Irving Books dot com as well, so,
Speaker 1keep an eye out.
Speaker 3Yeah, absolutely. Just wanted to let you know, and, I'll, I'll send you a DM for the translation, task at hand, if you want any help in that regard, I, I would gladly help. because I think, your grandfather is one of the Most important figures, when it comes to public free speech, one of the most censored and, and persecuted, authors and, and
Speaker 3yeah, I, I would gladly, Land my helping hand in that regard, and, great that, yeah, we have you on here today, and, I think, if your, grandfather, doesn't get to finish his memoirs, maybe, That's your task at some point. I think the, the work you're carrying on is, as important as his was, in, in the modern day period. So,
Speaker 3don't, don't be shy and, carry the torch on.
Speaker 1Oh, thank you so much. And, and you know, like, with the state of his memoirs, for example, like, we definitely have enough material from his diaries to be able to put together a biography of David Irving written from his perspective.
Speaker 1but it's a, it's a big task. We have been approached, actually. But I'm, I'm waiting to, to find the right person to take up the challenge of, of compiling that. We have a wonderful editor working on Churchill's War, Volume Three, and a great researcher based in London who's, who's helping us to go over all of the sources that they've mentioned in, in that volume,
Speaker 1before it goes to publication. So it's sort of going through two, two presses at the moment. In case anyone's interested about Churchill's War Volume three, which I know a lot of people pre-ordered and have been waiting for for years because it was supposed to be released the day, the, the year that David had a stroke,
Speaker 1but, it's in good hands and, and, and yeah, it's very promising and I think it's probably gonna be the most exciting volume of all.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, and we're all looking forward to it. And, and speaking of looking forward to, and, and Adam, I certainly wanna be respectful of, of your time, especially knowing the, the time zone there. and I, I know we've got some hands up, and I wanna make sure if anybody wants to request a mic and to ask a question of the, the life or legacy that they get a opportunity to. And, and so real quick, I wanted to go to and check in with Joanne, see if she had any initial questions off the bat
@joann_marieHey Ian, thank you so much for hosting, for co-hosting, and, and, and thank you, thank you, thank you so much for being here. And everybody also, thank you so much for being here. And before I go to, my little speech, guys, please repost the space below Ian, Ruth, and of course, Aaron, books. And amazing people in the panel, and thank you so much for being here. No, I just wanted to say that I'm really grateful for, for your grandfather. He talked about all of these things way, way, way, way before any-- well, way before that I knew, or even before I was even born. And I'm so sorry about everything that has happened to him and to your family and all of the harassment and the time that he spent in prison and how much they, they did- You guys, but it's really so appreciated and I'm just so grateful for your grandfather. He was, he's truly, he still is, I'm so sorry, a hero. And thank you so much for, for keeping the work up because it's really important. And I'm also sorry for, for the harassment that you're probably getting because of all of this. So thank you so much for doing that. I, I mean, Adam and, and your dad is absolutely brilliant. So thank you so much for that. And We have Moshon Flepshtre here that I think he wants to ask you a question, so,
@joann_marieMoshon, go for it.
Speaker 4Hello, thank you so much for, for letting me speak. And thank you, Mr. Irvin, for carrying the baton and make sure you do and beat him upside the head with the baton. And I can take the baton and beat him upside the head too. So, thank you, I am Malcolm and Truth Teller, let me tell you. I'm trying to make it quick 'cause I get a little emotional about these things.
Speaker 4yeah, because I just wanted to share, this is my first time being back on Twitter in months, like they shut down my account, 'cause, you know, some of the things that we say. So, I don't know what I said, well, I probably said a lot of things, but they have too much control, even with AI and social me-media. And, that is a form to express ourselves,
Speaker 4yes? Okay, I thought I heard someone say some, ask me a question. That's a form to express ourselves. David, Irving, I mean, he is one of many, Of the ones, well, today we call it the whistleblowers, right? So he goes back before we was born. It's like self-fulfilling prophecy, and, we are here now to somewhat engage with these self-fulfilling prophecies. And, I can relate to, I am Malcolm actually a question, and, to me, this is like a generational blacklist, okay? So, and the reason why I say that is,
Speaker 4it's amazing how a group of people can influence and affect a globe. See, is, is my phone is acting up already, too, that affects us globally. I mean, and the im-impact Our, all of our lifestyles, not just in one country, but across the freaking globe, excuse my French, Mr. Irving, 'cause it's a little, can be a little overwhelming.
Speaker 4even till today, I mean, we're in twenty twenty-six, and I'm saying to myself, "My, how much have things really changed before I was born?" So, because we're dealing with a lot of psychopathic people that I feel, and I know, is like destroying our lives. So it's very spiritual, it's very demonic and it's very angelic also, too. Just be a human being on Earth, and these people want, want to rearrange that for whatever crazy reason. And I can relate, and as you were talking about how your family were persecuted, and, you know- Just like the persecution doesn't stop, to be honest, and I know, how my, parents fought, and my grandparents fought here in America, civil rights, Jim Crow, and all that stuff, and I'm thinking about, and as you're talking, I'm thinking about the King family. Okay, yes, King was assassinated, but did you know his mother was assassinated, his father and his uncle and brother? So what I'm saying is this is very, very, serious thing And I always ask God for answers, how, how do we dodge these, demonic bullets that comes out after us when we speak the truth? You know, speaking truth to power is not an easy thing.
Speaker 4And, I just wanted to commend you for carrying on the baton, and I'm gonna leave it at that. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me speak. Bye-bye.
Speaker 1Thank you.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up, Mashawn. And I see a couple of my favorite people on the panel, so I'm just going to go to Lou. Hey, Lou, thank you so much for being here. How are you?
@lovelltayemGood. How are you? You know, I didn't have my hand raised quite yet, but I'm in the middle of something, but I will return in about ten, fifteen minutes.
@joann_marieAll right. I'll, I'll, I'll go back to you.
@lovelltayemThanks, John.
@joann_marieAll right. Lavelle. Thank you so much for being here. How
Speaker 5I'm good, Joanne. How you doing? and thank you, Ian, for hosting the space. How you doing, Truth? Adam, nice to meet you, man. Hey, question, Adam. So, growing up, I, I was in a pretty, I guess you would call it, an anti-Semitic household where people would kinda tell you the truth from a very young age, and I found it very, conflicting in my social life as a kid in school and that. Did, did you have a similar experience growing up? did you have your grandfather,
Speaker 5Society or reality works, and then when you went out into, to the public and, I, I guess, mingled with other people your age, you, you found a, a pushback?
@joann_marieThat's such a good question, Lavelle. Like, imagine having David Irving as your grandfather. It's so
Speaker 4awesome.
@joann_marieWell, I
Speaker 4mean, I would phrase
Speaker 1that slightly in that it wasn't
Speaker 1Particularly, like, I mean, I didn't face that much of a backlash over it growing up, but it was more to do with him and his reputation, w-which would have been where I got the backlash, not particularly from, from his opinions, because he kept his work life and his private life quite separate, so he wasn't particularly ideological with, with,
Speaker 1Trying to get any family member to believe any particular direction, and, and I think that he probably made the right approach because I think people in our family come to their own conclusions anyway over the years, even if they didn't start that way. And my mother and father weren't anti-Jewish, when I was growing up, and,
Speaker 1you know The family friends who were Jewish, for example, so I never really experienced antisemitism growing up despite maybe there being a public perception that we come from an antisemitic family. Obviously, as I've kind of researched more about who the key players involved with,
Speaker 1making my granddad's life difficult Has come to light that some of those people were Jewish, or a lot of them.
Speaker 1but personally from that perspective, not so much.
Speaker 1my dad was more of a difficult one. My dad was Polish, and his, on, you know, so, so obviously David's my My granddad on my mom's side, and on my dad's side, his-my dad's parents were not Jewish, but they were Polish and born in a-and, and, you know, had gone through that whole situation in Poland and emigrated to the UK, and there was always a conflict in my family about, oh my God, well, there's, you know, my granddad is David Irving, and meanwhile, like, you know, my dad's parents, you know, had come out of Poland. My dad had a problem with it, but actually my Polish granddads were quite interested in, in my English granddad David's work, and, I think had read his biography on, on Hitler, for example.
Speaker 1The problems I faced have been majorly more recent since being directly involved. I mean, I never really had any problems personally,
Speaker 1In the way that I've faced than, in the way that I've faced in the last couple of years in respect to, to business problems, for example, being dropped by book printers and that kind of thing, or, or random stops, for example, which don't make much sense and- In this kind of thing, I'd probably think twice about what country I went to on holiday now, for example.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much, Adam. And it was such a good question, though. Raheem, welcome. How are you?
Speaker 6Yes, hi. Thanks for that, for that beautiful space, Ian, and Truth, and Joanne. it's such an honor to, and I, and I, like, like, it's such an honor to be, to be there. But I'm trying still to wrap my head around because I just came in of, of what kind of, you know, childhood that you expe-explain being the, the, you know, the grandson of the David Irving, and then the parents and all, and, and these, you know, these, these people do, do hold a grudge, if, if, you know, just putting it even lightly,
Speaker 6so, yeah, I wouldn't be-- I mean, I'm not surprised to hear that, they, they would still try to, to, to, you know, do whatever they can to keep you from, you know, Printing and, and producing. And so, so, yeah, I, I don't have a question, but yeah, thanks for the space. I listen, and all the power to you. I mean, I, I, I have, I have read The books and, and I have, you know, being, being someone who would call out the truth about, about the Holocaust is, is something huge. And I, you know, I, I would, I would say like, you know, the great man of a granddad would be, be so pleased to see that, you know You know, just God works in mysterious ways, and, and that truth is, after all the propaganda, all the bullying, all the museums, all the fake narrative about what happened, the truth is, is coming out and coming out to a mass. So I'm sure, you know, wherever he is in heaven, he's probably smiling right now these days. So, yeah, that's, that's a great thing to know as well. And thanks a lot, thanks guys.
Ian MalcolmYeah, absolutely. And, and, and on that, Adam, I mean, it's, it's, it's wonderful, like we were saying earlier, that, that he's still in a comfortable, place, that he's, he's with, you know, loved ones with family, and, and kind of continuing as he can with the, the work that he's done for, for all these decades. and, and so it's an absolute blessing to be able to have you here, like Rhea was, suggesting.
Ian Malcolmand
Ian Malcolmin his legacy, kind of sharing some of these truths and incorporating some of his videos, Mr. Eric Warsaw, who, if I'm not mistaken, between TikTok and some of these other social sites, has, has had millions of followers and probably tens, if not hundreds of millions of eyeballs on the content that he's generating, again, much of which features, your grandfather and, and, and many of the lessons that he pulled from him. So, honored to have him up here with you and, and for him to be able to ask you a
@warsawerikWell, I appreciate you very, very much, and, it's an honor to be here, really. I've, I've reposted some of the stuff, but many, many, many times have I used like audio clips or video clips, from David Irvan speaking and like the whole, you know, exposing real, real history. So it's an absolute honor to, I was excited about this whole, thing.
@warsawerikI was gonna mention, alright, 'cause I've been listening for a while, and, like how much has things changed in a positive way for you ever since, like, you know, the Great Awakening? Since now what was once taboo, now you can just kinda normally, normally talk about. you guys been getting a lot of, positive publicity and, and like conversions and, like, how's it ever been since the Great Awakening?
Speaker 1We've noticed it in sales, I mean, I can't believe like there's such a strong demand for, for his books now, but, I mean, the nicest thing about like seeing like other people sort of like wake up, to be honest, is not feeling so alone anymore. It doesn't feel so lonely because it feels like there's a significant portion of the population, at least over here, who has caught on to the fact, like, things aren't right in like so many different areas of life, and that- Nothing feels quite right right now.
Speaker 1but yeah, like that's a nice feeling, because I, I feel like it must have been very lonely place for David. Like, of course, like he, he always had, core supporters, but, you know, it was a small, small minority, and I feel like now we're becoming like a sizable minority who have awoken to the fact That we have been lied to in so many different ways, and they all interlink.
Speaker 1like for example, like I don't know, like, I mean, you'd think it was a conspiracy like a few years ago to think that the funding that, like, went towards the Deborah Lipstadt trial was the same funding that sort of financed Jeffrey Epstein, for example. And yeah. We can now sort of see publicly that, like, Lex Wexner was the one who funded
Speaker 1largely or helped fund,
Speaker 1her defense, and with huge money that seems to link straight back to, you know, other operations like Jeffrey Epstein, and you have to wonder, like, how many different, like, hand, like, pies did they have their hands in these people? Like they're literally trying to control the narrative around everything, because you have a prolific pedophile on an island who is essentially there to blackmail politicians, some government,
Speaker 1and then you also have them branding people in what was back then probably the worst thing that you could say to someone, which is anti-Semite. I mean, it's lost all its meaning now, but back then, if you were labeled that, that was, that was it as a historian, your career is done.
Speaker 1And yet now we're starting to go, that's what was going on all along. And some of the tactics that they used as well, like in that trial, were disgusting.
Speaker 1for example, like how, like months before the trial, like my, my aunt died. she was very mentally ill and she died. and they taunted him with a wreath, that they sent to the funeral home. Seeing it was truly a masterful death, and the florist was just around the corner from the legal defences office in London.
@warsawerikWell, I'm really, really glad that, David Irving was able to see the fruits of all of his work. And, it, it really is amazing to see that, like, the Great Awakening, I mean, it happened so fast and all at once, and he gets to see the, the fruits of his work, so I'm really, really glad of that, too.
Speaker 1he does. And, you know, there have got, like, there's not that many people that, that, that, that get this kind of indication when they're still alive, and he's still alive, and he is able to see it, unfortunately, he's just not able to. To work any longer, but you know what? I think he did his work, I think six years of, of working, you know,
Speaker 1two thirds of the day isn't enough.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and Adam, one, one little question that I have for you, and I, I say this, Paloma was, was kind enough to write something. about growing up with, your grandfather and suggesting that there was-- there's not a lot of, you know, animosity or hatred, towards anybody, that it was a, a loving environment, that didn't have You know, she, she mentioned swastikas in particular, and I bring that up just 'cause I know it's, it's associated obviously with the National Socialists, and in this room, I, I think there's a lot of people that revere that symbol and that icon because, not, not associating it with hate of anyone, but rather just the idea of the German people loving, their heritage, their history, and trying to protect it from what we essentially see today as, as global communism or Zionism. And so I'm just kind of curious,
Ian MalcolmWhat's on his legacy as people are starting to recognize that not only was he not, wrong, but as a result of not being wrong, that, you know, clearly wouldn't have been driven just by hate of something or some group of people, but rather a pursuit of things like truth and justice and honor and nobility, which completely reframe the way that he was essentially labeled and, and the way that even to this very day that sources like Wikipedia would, would label him as being a, a raging anti-Semite, conspiracy theorist type, type individual. I'd, I'd be For maybe the warmer side, the loving side that, that I'm sure you and, and your mother experienced a, a result from him.
Speaker 1I mean, he was a complicated individual, like he'd, he was loving and, you know, like He has cried before, like he's a human, but, you know, he, I, you know, in our family, we think that he'd, like, struggled with, like, a form of aut-autism to some degree, which basically meant that he's kind of detached, like, he cared about the facts, he didn't care really about the emotions surrounding them, he did, but in a different kind of way, and so he was able to look at these documents and put together conclusions for inconvenient, and he didn't care that they weren't convenient, he just ne
Speaker 1And I think there's a lot of people who don't function like that. There's a lot of people who say things which are convenient because it makes their life easier, and in his case, you can't say that he was someone who,
Speaker 1you know, he didn't do something for the money, for example. I mean, a much easier life would have just been to do, you know, what, write exactly what, like, the point of view,
Speaker 1says that you should say and, and, and forget all the inconvenient facts, but he didn't. And I think that that means that he's a truth-teller. He's someone who stuck to his conviction. He didn't change his mind just because people told him that he had their feelings.
Speaker 1And I think that he's done us a big service for that, because I don't think it, it does anybody a, a, a service to believe comfortable lies, especially comfortable lies which in the long run are being used now to, to attack ordinary people. This is why we live in a country where we're told, well, I don't know about you guys, but like, this is why you live in, if you live in the UK now, until recently with, you know, the new parties like Restore and maybe to some degree Reform,
Speaker 1saying, "Hang on a second, we shouldn't just have open borders to anyone." You know, until recently, you were called, "You're a racist," "You're this," "You're, you know," and it's like, "No, we just care about our home. We wanna
Speaker 1Guests gonna come in, but supervised. You know, you don't just give people the keys to your house and go, "You do what you want with it, it's yours now." they're guests, and guests need to respect rules.
Ian MalcolmYou know, I, I couldn't agree with you more on that, and, and I think in this room, you probably have lots of individuals that, they've kind of oriented themselves exactly along those lines and, and merely say, "No, I, I know this to be true. It might be inconvenient or uncomfortable, but the truth needs to be shared," whether that's about Statistics or history or the past to the present, and, and unfortunately, I think we see that, kind of manifest itself not only through the academic institutions and, and kind of the teachings that they have that tend to play off of empathy and emotions rather than logic, but, but the entire lifestyle of, of your modern individual, which is, here's your television, here's your Netflix, here's your mindless entertainment, here's your beer, your slop, and your other things to just keep you kind of entranced, right? To keep you convinced Convenient and comfortable rather than dealing with that that is perhaps uncomfortable, whether it's the reality of the past or present. Isn't
Speaker 1that very comfortable? You know, it's kind of just the modern equivalent of, in the old days, they used to put a pub across from the factory, right? So that the workers could get drunk after work and then didn't have any en- energy to start a revolution. The only thing they wanted to do was go to bed and like get up the next day so they could go back to the pub again in the evening.
Speaker 1And that's what we see now with Netflix and, you know, all of the distractions that we have as people. And yet, but actually, I do have some hope, which is that there does seem to be, you know, it does seem that like people even younger than me, people in their sort of twenties, don't seem to be falling for the lies in the same way that, like, I feel like millennials, like my generation, did, or even worse, like most of gener- David's generation definitely had a, you know, hardcore way of thinking You know about, you know, those events during World War II and, e-, et cetera, and, David was definitely like, you know, way ahead of his time back then. It's so much easier nowadays to stand up and be like, you know, let's question, let's question it all,
Ian Malcolmbut, yeah. No, absolutely. And, and, one quick question, Adam, and then I'm gonna go to Mr. Godfrey. and, and so Godfrey, please feel free to jump in after Adam, answers this one. I'm, I'm curious, Adam, because I, I just saw, for example, a post from Dan Bilzerian, obviously a very prominent, influencer online, saying we don't have an elitist or a globalist problem, we have a Jewish pedophile problem that dot, dot, dot. And, you know, I, I, I think Bilzerian, much like your, your grandfather, just of course with a different maybe delivery mechanism Certainly more colorful, but I'm, I'm curious for your grandfather's thoughts on those individuals that are out in the, the social sphere with big platforms that are finally starting to address these things, whether it is someone like Dan Balserian, perhaps Candace Owens, who has dabbled in this a little bit, Tucker Carlson. You know, d-does he have anybody or, or do you think that he has anybody that he looks to as, as kind of the best megaphone that, that's kind of continuing his legacy, whether it's, online influencer Or perhaps a academic.
Speaker 1I don't really think he probably does. I think the only person from that list that he'd probably be aware of would be, Tucker Carlson, to be honest, because he, David was never massively into sort of social media and therefore as a result probably wouldn't have known that much about those names.
Speaker 1However, like obviously, it is huge support for us even just as a kind of, you know, like as a side effect, even when they're not talking about us in, in general, for such big names to be questioning the same narratives, because it brings, you know, we found attention onto David's work and also backs up David's work with new voices, and I totally encourage that.
Speaker 3Just on a side note, I looked for the Discord, link on your profile. it seems to be expired. maybe you want to refresh that. And, I think some people in the comments asked for the Discord link. And if you provide a new link, it would be, much appreciated if you, posted that down in the comment section. I'll,
Speaker 1I'll find the link and I'll post it there.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and let's go to, Mr. Godfrey, another wonderful truther who I, I think certainly, is following in the legacy of, of your grandfather and doing wonderful investigative, journalism on, on this application and, also speaking around these power centers that, your grandfather essentially helped to, to unearth.
@g0dfr0yThank you, Ian, and thank you. It's so great to be speaking with you. I, you know, I watch your grandfather's videos, on YouTube extensively, and I'm, I'm a huge fan of his. And a question I had for you, one, one thing that he said that was so important is he was talking about the Hungarian Revolution and how essentially it wasn't an anti-communist revolution, it was an anti-Jewish uprising. And my question for you is, is do you think, and I think a lot of people in here know the answer to this, but we're aware that it was like that in Russia, right? It was just a, it was a Jewish control operation. It wasn't so much communism as it was just Jewish tyranny. Do you think that that was the case in pretty much all communist governments in Eastern Europe, and that we're, we just aren't told that in the history books? And I know that question kind of answers itself, but I just wanted to ask that question of you. Thank you.
Speaker 1I'm probably not the right person to answer a question like that. Again, that would be a job for Winston when he's online.
Speaker 1But yeah, his book Uprising is quite interesting, although it wasn't one of the more popular books that he wrote at the time, but I do think it was one that he enjoyed working on, so I'd encourage people to read it.
Speaker 1I don't know enough about, about the particular, about what was going on there at the time from the, from what I looked into it, yes, it did look like they were sicked over. Representation of the Jewish population that contributed to those events, but I don't really have the full picture, so I can't, I can't speak too much further on it.
@g0dfr0yThank you. I, I appreciate, the answer to that question. what if, do you mind if I ask a follow-up question, Ian?
Ian MalcolmShow a good- Never, my friend, go for it.
@g0dfr0yOkay, cool, cool. if your grandfather was alive today, I, I started asking you to- He's still alive. Oh, oh, sorry. He's still alive. Sorry, sorry. He's not, he's not well. yeah, sorry, sorry, if you, if, if he could comment on it, what do you think he thinks of Candice? Would you think of like Candice Owens? Do you think that- He think, would think of her as being legitimate or what, where do you think he would stand on, on that front?
Speaker 1On Candace Owens, I have no idea, but I can give you my own opinion on Candace Owens. I really enjoy watching Candace Owens, but sometimes I feel like she does go down the deep end, and I have to say, like, recently I've been watching a little bit less because I don't know how many episodes on Charlie Kirk that I can watch,
Speaker 1but even though obviously it was an extremely awful thing that happened, and I, I do find like the, the episodes about Erika Cope sometimes- Entertaining, but I don't know, I like Candice, and I definitely like the bits that she did about, the whole Brigitte Macron thing, 'cause that's definitely entertaining. I don't know, I always hold like these people in general, like the podcasters that we've seen pop up, like, I,
Speaker 1I- I watch it as entertainment, but I don't particularly watch it for truth, like I try and do my own investigations because I think after a certain amount of time they start off with good intentions, but then what happens is if you have a nightly show where your whole thing is always having to come out with something new to say, then eventually you're gonna run out of things of substance and you have to start talking about Things that may be less based in truth or like, you know, less relevant, or they start rehashing things, and that sort of gets a little bit boring, or,
Speaker 1and start, and veers off investigative journalism goes towards the conspiracy theories, which are intertwined but not necessarily the same things, and sometimes they need to have like a distinction.
@g0dfr0yThank you. Yeah, I hold out hope that she actually might be legitimate with, with serious reservations and, you know, it could be controlled opposition, but, at the same time, I think whether she is controlled opposition or not, she's waking a lot of normal people up to a lot of very important questions when it comes to, Jewish influence throughout the world. So, thank you for your answer, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I definitely appreciate her for that point. I think that we definitely need to look at where, you know, who holds influence and why. You know, I think somewhere earlier there was a mention of, you know, are all of the pedophiles Jewish? Well, no, but it definitely looks like a lot of them are. and I wonder, like, you know, why?
Speaker 1why is, you know, why is it Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and a bunch of other steins, and, I mean, I guess we have, you know, Prince Andrew, or formerly Prince Andrew, is also involved in that whole shitshow, but, you know, there seems to be an overrepresentation, and I'd be interested to get to the bottom of that,
Speaker 1and, yeah, I, I, I like the fact that Candace Owens does point out the spot- Like to some of it, and she doesn't kneel under, you know, Israel.
Speaker 1so I think she's doing a pretty good job.
Speaker 7Hello, it's, a pleasure to be talking to you. if this is too much of a personal question, feel free to say that's the case. But I was just gonna ask, what's your, what's the best memory you have of your granddad?
Speaker 1Interesting one.
Speaker 1he was quite exciting because he was always the one with the kind of fancy car or the like, and the nice apartments and the big houses and stuff like that. So I always used to enjoy going around to visit him.
Speaker 1Because, you know, he was an impressive figure, he was always working, always a little bit grumpy, but he could also be quite generous at times, and when you, when you least expected it. So he was the type of person who'd never like give you a birthday present on time, but then randomly, suddenly, he'll send you a new computer or send you a few hundred quid or whatever, and as a teenager, and that was kind of nice.
Speaker 7Oh, amazing. And, are you, do you, do you keep in regular touch with him again? I know that I'm, I'm just, it's personal question, don't have to answer, but do you have regular contact with him?
Speaker 1I see him about twice a week. we live very near to each other, so I go around and visit and have a coffee, and often we'll, we'll bring in book samples, show him, and ask him if he likes them, that kind of thing.
Speaker 7Oh, amazing. Oh, thank you. Yeah, that's, that's great. I'll let you get on.
Speaker 1Thank you.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Ian MalcolmNo, wonderful question there, and thank, thank you for that, Blue. And, and, and with that, let's, let's go to Mr. Liu who's got his hand up. Thanks, Ian.
@lovelltayemyeah, hey, appreciate you coming on. You know, I was just actually curious, did, your grandfather ever sort of, you know, network or did anybody ever kind of, enlist his services, for lack of a better word, or just, you know, shoot the breeze with him who may have been like a well-known person or somebody in political power, but that, agreed to kind of keep it out of wraps for fear that any association with him might be controversial and that the- Media would jump on it. So essentially, I'm asking like, did he have any sort of secret alliances out there? Like, are there people, members of parliament, who, who chat with him about these, problems, but that don't wanna publicly acknowledge it?
Speaker 1I mean, probably. He was in contact with all sorts of people. I mean, even, you know, during COVID, when we were all doing our work from home meetings, one of our ministers, Michael Gove, got massive trouble in the mainstream media because he had a couple of, or maybe one of David's books on his bookshelf, and when he was doing a Zoom, it was in the background. So there was obviously people who were at least reading his work or interested in his work that were sort of, you know, pretty mainstream people. People who probably didn't want associations with him publicly, but,
Speaker 1to be honest, he would, he would have been, in contact with a lot of them anyway, because, for example, like the Sunday Times reluctantly were the ones to have to publish, to have to get him to go and get the, the Gerbils diaries, because by that point he was sort of no longer like a me- like a media darling, but when they printed the translations that he wrote of those diaries in serialized in the newspaper, they put his name in tiny, tiny, tiny writing. So yeah, he wouldn't have been in contact with people who, who, who were pretty mainstream,
Speaker 1you know?
@lovelltayemYeah, the reason I asked is just 'cause I kinda wanna, I always, 'cause you know, we hear that over here that the, what is it? Was that report that came out like a third of the Trump administration is like, see, they're grippers or something like that, or a quarter of 'em or something like that. So I just wanted to see kind of like how,
@lovelltayemkind of how, how, how in the establishment, you know, kind of your grandfather's, you know, work. You know, how, how, how deep does his work has prevailed in
Speaker 1there? Well, I think that, like, you know, like for example, if you take a like silly example, establishment what they did to him versus what establishment thinks. Like when he went to like prison in Vienna, I mean, the prison library had a hundred and twenty copies of his books. So you're being imprisoned for your thoughts, but yet the prison library contains those thoughts for their prisoners to, like, be able to read. I mean, they quickly dispose of them after that. But, I mean, there's other, like, similar cases where, like, you know, there was a mainstream British broadcasting corporation documentary done by Jeremy Clarkson,
Speaker 1a decade ago on PQ seventeen, and he basically borrowed David's entire book in order to do so. I mean, I'll put a caveat in there, we don't know for sure. But it definitely seemed like it.
Speaker 1and, and so like, there, there definitely books that, that people in prominent positions seem to be reading themselves whilst encouraging other people from reading them, if that makes any sense.
@lovelltayemYeah, I kind of liken it to, Pat Buchanan here in the nineteen nineties, obviously an America First candidate, while kind of in the mainstream media, you know, he's, his style is a racist and a crazy lunatic, and when he's giving his speeches, like three Jews interrupt him and, you know, po- you know, hold, hold up signs and say, Buchanan is a racist. I think we all remember that clip. But secretly behind the doors, I think a lot of the, old time- Non-neoconservative GOP members really actually look up to him and, you know, network with him behind the scenes. Obviously, this was like twenty, thirty years ago, but it's kind of interesting to hear about some of those secret relationships out there that, you think aren't getting much traction and because of obviously the media controlled by this small group of people, but behind the scenes they're having influence.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and I, and I just wanna, to thank, Paloma, who, who's still providing some, some thoughts in the comments section, and if she does feel comfortable coming up, we'd, we'd welcome it. she made a, a post, Lou, saying that, when she was younger, that, that David was holding near weekly meetings, drink parties, she described them with top politicians, when she was in her, her teenage years. And, and so it's, it is extremely interesting to know that he was Influential impact on the zeitgeist of some of the highest ranking politicians, they just had to keep their, their worldviews under wraps, right, because of the contentious perspective.
@lovelltayemYeah, and I just, I just read that and then she com- replied to you saying, "But it-- I'll read it directly. He used to hold drinks, part-- drink parties on a near weekly basis at one point at home with top politicians when I was in my teens." And then she replied to you saying, "But it was all quite hush-hush, they didn't want their colleagues to know."
Ian MalcolmExactly. so I, I'm very excited that we have, Mr. Frank DaSilva up here with us and, and would welcome a question and, opportunity, Adam, for, for you to get some thoughts from him as well.
Speaker 8Yeah, thanks. Adam, it's a pleasure to talk to you. You know, when I first heard that, you were taking on a, a very large corpus of material and carrying on a legacy, I thought of Christopher Tolkien. You know, doing, doing the work that his father, after he passed away, he was carrying that on. So I'm very, very happy to see you diving into that. With that said, I just wanted to give a little anecdotal background to, several times that I, I, I spoke with David, in person, and it was,
Speaker 8it was something that It, it was, I was, I was young when I first met David, I was very young, and I was just moving into this, into this milieu that we're all involved with at, at some level. And it, it was fascinating, I mentioned to him that he was very active in America, and he looked at me and he goes, "Well, he goes, I'm very active in Europe, and I'm very active in the UK." And I said, "Do you get the same type of response?" And he looked at me kind of with a question in his eyes. I said, "Look, the only way that you are successful in America is by these several hundred people who are here present, you know, at this talk that I, I-- the very first time I met him was at a, at a, at a talk in Southern California."
Speaker 8And so over the years, I got to watch this firsthand, and I was involved, not with David directly, but with people who were affiliated with him that would like prepare these facilities, these venues that he talked at. And I saw the little people coming in to see him, okay? And I saw them, you know, embrace him and, you know, give their various stories. They might have been Polish or German or Swedish or whatever. It's pretty, it's pretty moving actually, but they always, you know, would give him fifty bucks or twenty bucks or some kind of a gift. And I, I learned
Speaker 8at a very young age That if you were going to really be in this fight, you know, you, you had to be there in person, and that's why I always tried to do things-- Well, we didn't have the internet, so that, that's all we had, right? It was real life. And it was, it was the way that he talked to people that really moved me. And this is gonna segue into what that, that, lady that Ian talked about, who posted in the, in the post.
Speaker 8it was the little people that literally funded his trips to America, and of course, some of the institutions that were presenting him, yes, they, they raised some money, but it was the, the thousands of little people that prepared the way for him in America, to propel certain institutions that developed around him. that even to this day are still working. So David had a tremendous impact from the little person all the way up to the intelligentsia, and these are the kind of guys that, that I met when I was young, that kind of formed my, my worldview on how to deal with our folk, right? So that's gonna segue into this question for you.
Speaker 8There was a couple of conversations that we had after, his address to the, the assembly at large, that I got to actually query him personally on quite a few items, but one that really stood out was the fact that MI6 and some of the governmental institutions, even pre-war and turned out afterwards to be post-war intelligence agencies. That developed all this material, wartime material and pre-war material, about what was going on in Germany, Europe, the Soviet Union, so on and so forth, of which David had access to over the years. Now what he told me was, he goes, "Look, I, I probably had less than three percent of all the material extant, because they, they qual-- he got to read some of this stuff." But he was qualified by, by not repeating this in public or writing about it. So my question to you is, if you and your grandfather have talked about this, is there any chance in your own life cycle that you would, you would try to go back and see if you can gain access to even another three percent? Of the data that is available, that your grandfather had access to, but he was told he couldn't,
Speaker 8put that into the public. And if so, would you consider-- I don't know, I don't know if you're a writer or not, but would you consider taking on that type of a project yourself personally?
Speaker 1I'd definitely consider trying to make anything that was previously censored available if there's no reason that we- shouldn't be doing so now. I suppose there's things that he was told that can be made public at the time because there were people who are still alive, for example, who might not be alive now, and then, you know, that has to be reevaluated. But where you said, where you mentioned how, you know, so,
Speaker 1so much, So much, we should be thankful for, we should be very thankful for those people who donate, you know, ten or twenty dollars a month, because there's a lot of them, and they definitely make up the majority of the support that we have where it comes to like the kindness that people have shown when we've seeked to fundraise for his personal care, for example. And, I, I wasn't that aware of like how much people actually loved him, like the people who supported him, they really- Love him. He, he's not, you know, I don't know, what's a stupid example, like, he's not Britney Spears. He doesn't have half the world who knows who he is and, you know, who, who, mass fans of his music. But the fans that he has, the, the, the fans that we do have, like, they're real fans. You know, they write in, they'll write letters to him, and, and when I read them, they actually, they, they do make me quite emotional because you can tell that they
Speaker 1That they're written by people who are looking for their own answers and who aren't satisfied, and when they read his material, it definitely helped to, to, to give them part of the puzzle that maybe they had been missing. And, and that does kind of propel me to wanna continue and do the best for his work, like,
Speaker 1It's interesting. but yeah, we're constant, I mean, my mission is to make, you know, as far as possible, like that everything that we have is accessible as possible, and as least hidden as possible, 'cause I want people to make up their own minds and come to their own conclusions. And in order to do so, that means that
Speaker 1You have to let sunlight in. I guess they say sunlight is the best disinfectant. And, and, I think the sun, the world needs a, a quite a bit of disinfecting right now.
Speaker 8Can I do a quick follow up, Ian? Yeah, no problem.
Ian MalcolmOh my god, of course, Frank, yep.
Speaker 8Yeah, thank you. oh shit, man, it just went right out my head.
Speaker 8oh yeah. somewhat, somewhat in line with what Adam just said, you know, a lot of the younger guys don't understand what I think Adam's-- he's kind of pulling at the edges, a little bit. You know, we had rock stars back in the day, the '70s Well, well, the '60s for sure, but like the late '60s and then all of the '70s, there were some major rock stars, you know, that were around, that were alive. Ernie and Del comes to mind, Ernie Romer.
Speaker 8there, there were, there were living people from that era. I mean, David was one of them, actually. And, it, it, it's amazing that Like today with the internet, right? We have hundreds, if not thousands, of personalities and voices, and they might have a hundred thousand followers or, you know, they're this or that or the other. But man, these motherfuckers haven't been put through the fires like, David was and some of these other guys, and that's why at the end of David's life, he's still recognized as courageous and heroic. you know, Adam mentioned that, David was thrown in prison. I mean, you know, to be thrown in a, in a faraway land and thrown in prison, it's pretty intense. You know, the average guy will just fold, he'll, he'll make compromises, whatever. But these guys that come through these dark places, these are your real leaders. Whether they choose to be a leader or not is irrelevant. They're, they're your true- Guiding lights, they're the true beacons. Now, every one of us is, is flawed. Every one of us has a weakness or, or what have you, 'cause we're all human, right? But David deserves all the kudos that he's getting. You know, when I thought he was dying back a couple of years ago, I posted, you know, I don't have any reason to really talk about my personal activities, right? But I posted a picture with David and I. And it, it's one of many that I have, but I just, I, I just randomly picked this one and I put it out there, just to let people know that he was a living, breathing person. You know, 'cause we, we see these avatars and we hear voices on the internet, and people just don't know who to follow, they don't know who to believe in. It's very, very important, right? So look, Adam.
Speaker 8you know, you don't know me that well, but I sincerely wish you, your family, David himself, I wish everybody a good life. You know, what's left of David's life is irrelevant because he's gonna live, you know, in immortality for, for quite a while until the world falls apart. And so these efforts that each one of us are, are, are giving, that we're sharing with Our fellow compatriots, our family members, and the general public at large, these things will come back to you, and if you can live your life honestly and sincerely, your life does matter. Don't, don't ever forget that. Everybody in this space, your life matters. we are in an existential threat, we are at war with certain forces. That honest to God want to see you dead, and truth is part of that equation. So if there's any young people in the space who wanna be a, a, a writer, or they, you know, they feel they're a historian or whatever, man, do it, whatever it takes, get a computer, start writing, you know, or write with a pen. I mean, I wrote with a pen for four, over forty years before I got my hands on a computer. So it can be done, don't, don't give it up. So once again, Adam, thanks for your time, and thanks for the space, Ian. That's, that's very good, truth. Everybody that's up there.
Speaker 8this is-- these are the kind of spaces that I, I will spend my time because it's talking about real people, real efforts, real courage, real honor. This is the kind of thing that should motivate all of us. So thanks again for the mic.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, Frank, and, and thank you for everything that you, just like, David, have been doing for, for decades at this point, trying to bring attention to these uncomfortable issues, one of which, of course, is the, the, the cultural malaise that, everybody is, is witnessing as a result of, of this power structure. And, Frank, I know it's something that you've, you've certainly witnessed, and I'm, I'm curious, Frank, both for your thoughts and Adam for your thoughts, through,
Ian Malcolmthrough Culture, right? Not only through the, the, the mass migration, Adam, which you were just talking about a, a couple minutes ago, but also just the onslaught of, of demoralizing culture that we see force-fed to everybody, whether it's Netflix or Disney or all these other things, and, and if David would attribute, you know, that side of, of, let's say the, the war on the minds with the same, interest that, that perhaps Adam, that he uncovered, you know, all those decades ago in terms of the power structure.
Speaker 1Oh, that's a big question.
Speaker 1Sorry, rewind a second, if you could, if you could say it again. I got slightly--
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, of course. And, and, and maybe Frank, we, we could pull you in here to, to lead the witness a little bit, just because, you know, David was, was talking about all these issues from a historical perspective and a geopolitical one, right? Looking back at history, and, and, and perhaps the good, the bad, and the ugly. but there's also the present that we find ourselves in with the media, which seems to push out just this demoralizing content, and I'm sure that Frank
Ian MalcolmAlso witness the culture seemingly collapse and we've gone from beautiful art and architecture and music to modernity where, I mean, you turn on the television now and you've got Sexy Red dancing around with some unintelligible music as she gyrates wearing practically nothing and it's, it's, it's just utterly talentless at every turn. And so, Frank, I'm kinda-
@joann_marieDid Ian cut off?
Speaker 1Yeah,
Ian Malcolmhe-
Speaker 8The same. There he is, there
@joann_mariehe is. Oh. No, you're back in.
Speaker 1Could you guys mind continuing for a couple of minutes? I'm just gonna run through and I'm gonna be back in a second.
Speaker 8Yeah,
Speaker 1of
Speaker 8course. Yeah, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll try to lead the witness as you were saying in. You did kinda break up there. I was giving you some time to come back, but, the- I wanna make this very clear, I'm, I'm, I want you guys to kinda live through, through my visualization. I want you guys to use your imagination and, and kinda smell the room, if you will.
Speaker 8David Irving, he was a very professional grade man, and I, I mean that sincerely. I'm, I didn't come in here to like kiss anybody's ass, it just is what it is. He was a rock star, and he could talk. This guy could talk. And he never raised his voice, I don't remember him ever raising his voice, because he, he had this, he must have had almost a photographic memory for real, because his dissertations weren't dry, but they were continuous, and nobody moved in these fricking meetings. There might have been two hundred, three hundred people, right? And, for the occasional bathroom thing, but, but, believe it or not, I don't remember seeing a whole lot of people go up, you know, to use the restroom like three hours straight. And,
Speaker 1yeah,
Speaker 8yeah, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it, it was fascinating because, his delivery was very succinct. And he didn't express political drama, he didn't express, even this talk about culture that Ian, you know, he, he proffered this, this question, and I'm getting to that. But after the, after the episodic session was over with, and then the questions started coming up, David was very relaxed. I never saw this dude ever uptight. You know, he was always very game for a de- maybe it's the English way, and Adam might be able to express that a little bit better. But I was always very comfortable, very engaged. I asked questions with some of the people in the audience and so on and so forth.
Speaker 8but, but as a, as a leader, as a spokesman, and when I say leader, he wasn't a political type of a guy that I, I could really ever tell. You know, he wasn't like a Tom Metzger or a, a William Pierce or, even the Mainland Conservatives that were running amok in the country, you know, Pat Buchanan and so on and so forth, 'cause I never went into Pat's personal things, but I corresponded with Pat for a couple of years, and he was always very reticent, you know, to discuss things, even in personal correspondence, right? But David was very open. He expressed love of England, love of With his folk, and unlike the spaces, he didn't get off into the weeds, and that's why, much to the, much to the disagreement, at some times of some of these space guys, I'm very mission focused, and so I don't wanna let all these spurs come in and whatever, and I, I like to have hands be, be raised and all that, and David Irving was just like that. If there was anybody trying to talk over somebody else, he, he would always gently chide them and tell them to wait their turn and so on and so forth, right? And so I guess some of these characters in my life did, did kind of embellish some of their characteristics over a very broad area, and I'm okay with that, you know, not everybody has to like me, but, but David was very culturally aware and, he loved the West. Okay, but that wasn't his forte when he came to, dissemble his information to, to an audience. It was about His world, whether he was writing about Churchill, whether I, I'm looking at the copy of, Hitler's War right now, and I've got a couple other books besides, and I, I did buy his, his hardbacks, that was something that I've always done. If you don't know, a spokesman, you can support them by buying their works or going to an event that they throw or whatever. This is the real world that I'm talking about. And so, David Irving, like most Englishmen that I've ever met in my whole life, they may not say a lot up front, but when you talk to them in a more,
Speaker 8relaxed atmosphere, of course, their love of nation and their, and their love of people i-is exuded very, very powerfully. I mean, how else could it not? Right? These guys live and breathe. I mean I didn't talk to David about a lot of this, but as I listened to his, his remonstrations, right, public, public remonstrations, about him meeting and talking in German to all of these Germans, these officers, these politicians, that was phenomenal, and I recognized probably after the second or third time I heard him speak that this guy was like a living- Canister of, of knowledge of both of the West and this particular area of, let's say, nineteen twenty-five to nineteen fifty-five, you know, that whole area, plus the Hungarian Revolution and so on and so forth. This stuff is, how many people in your lifetime, everybody in the space, are you gonna meet somebody with that kind of clarity, that kind of- Yeah, you can literally look back in time, you know, when he was originally meeting these people, and then fifteen, twenty years down the road after he wrote a lot of these manuscripts, to see how the world has, has changed. So that's why, and I'll, I'll land it here by saying, we are all right. You know, some of us have chosen to really, really fixate on a particular issue. But when you meet people who like look in the very broad world view, you'll see that we all share one thing in common. We're all members of the West, and even those who aren't members of the West, these, these events that have transpired on the world stage has affected every single person, whatever race or, or nationality they claim, whatever it is. And so it is important To have access to this data. And I encourage everybody, if you, if you don't own, Mr. Irving's works, his books, then, you know what? If you could spend money on beer, you know, every month, you can put that money away and, and literally look on your bookshelf, you know, at the seven or eight or ten volumes, that he has produced, right, hardback copies, or, or more, I'm sure, but I encourage everybody to go out of your way to purchase, David's works, and if Adam ever produces anything, I would be, I would buy that as well, like, it's like buying Christopher Tolkien's works as well. And, just remember, guys, this fight takes money. And it takes support, you know, support could be, fiduciary, it could be personal, 'cause, you know what, Adam, David was put up in a lot of people's homes that I know. He was given a, you know, he was given a bed for the night, or for the week or what have you, and Americans fed him, and, some of us, you know, provided security for him. I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole. It's pretty fascinating. the life that I've had, and, also, David Irving went through probably a thousand times more than most of us are ever gonna go through. So
Speaker 8instead of just listening to Adam's stories or, you know, think about it as history, if you possess, if you can, I, I know I'm a bibliophile, right? But when you own these books, when you read these words Just remember that the, that the man who wrote those was a real life, is a real life, living, breathing person, you know, that extends his knowledge base and all of the world experience through language, through personal meetings and all that. These people deserve your support. It's only money that I'm talking about, and I haven't heard Adam ask for it, but, but I'm asking for it, and even people in America to this day, you know, you gotta support The people who have really stood up for you guys, and I'm not saying the people in spaces don't, but if you got writers out there, or if you, you know, people who create movies, Mel Gibson may or may not be one of those guys, whenever, whatever it is, you know, if they, if they make a movie, go, go see the frickin' movie, or go buy the DVD. Always put your money where your mouth is, and these people will live for as long as we are around. Anyway, thanks for the mic.
Speaker 1Thank you so much, and, and you're so right, and you know what I have to say about Americans is I love you guys because you guys don't buy one book. When you buy books, you buy ten of his books all at once, whereas the Brits and the French and the whatevers will order one, and then maybe if they read it, they'll come back in six months' time. I have to love, love the way that when you guys love something, you, you do it in a big way and, and that really- That makes our life easier, makes, it makes it possible to do what we're doing, and, and really the core thing that we're trying to do is just to keep his legacy going, just to keep on trying to make sure that his books are available, because that doesn't happen by itself. We can't put it on autopilot. If we did, his books are removed from our platform, and people are waiting for another six months for them to come back online somewhere else, and we're constantly under, in a struggle to make sure that they are,
Speaker 1Are available, for consumption. And, you know, yeah, I, I agree, like we, we have to generally support the people who are making a difference, and David Irving is part of that. If you can't afford it, sure go ahead and download a PDF copy of one of his books, and when you can afford it, please buy it in the future, to show your support. But, yeah, the most important thing is that it is read. but yeah, in order for us to- Continue to make a difference, to continue to release anything new, we, we, we need to be supported in, in one way or another.
Speaker 1yeah, but thank you.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and thank you, Frank, for, for the very vivid, you described it as smelling the room, right? The, the vivid and colorful description of what it was like to be in that room with him, in that era. It's, it's fascinating. I hope you stay up here and, and continue to add, to the mix here, cause some, some wonderful input. and, and with that, I wanna go really quickly, I know 40 has his hand up, with a question for, for Adam,
Ian Malcolmand,
Speaker 9I'll, one, one second. I'd like to ask, 'cause one of my team members is asking this question, if anyone can comment afterwards so we can take a look. In terms of accessing a sort of chatbot that has, you know, access to David's content, do they prefer that it's some- that it's more voice-led, you know, in David's voice giving responses somehow, or do they prefer that it's more like a chatbot that they're able to, like, use it for like more academic purposes where it's gonna give a more sort of ChatG
Ian MalcolmYeah, I'd, I'd be curious for anybody's thoughts. I, I mean, I, I hate to be selfish, I shouldn't say maybe both or be, be greedy. Frank, just out of, for, for your thoughts, I, I'm curious you threw your hand up.
Speaker 10Yeah. Look, Adam, I, I'm, I'm a very audio kind of a guy. I mean, I write, so I'm very- But, I've never, I've never even heard about this kind of thing, but if AI has gotten to that point and there's like this response mechanism, David had, David's voice, maybe it's the English thing for us Americans, but his voice is, I don't know, you, you can't touch it with, like a ChatGPT, response, but if there's an audio factor, man, get on that and, and run with that.
Speaker 9I think it's fun too, that's why I think there is something special about hearing it in his style when typically the way that a chatbot will work is sort of present it quite dryly. So I think that's something that we're working on at the moment. So I'm glad, thank you for your feedback, and I'll take it into account.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and let's, let's go down to 40, and then we'll go Rabbi, and then, over to, Fitibus Rex.
Speaker 11Yeah, thank you guys. excuse me. Thank you guys for the space, Ian, Truth, Joanne, Adam. It's a real pleasure to be able to hear this. It's a real, a real privilege. And, yeah, your, your grandfather's work has been very influential and, has not only, you know, influenced me for, I I've read, and I know how much it's influenced a lot of the people who have influenced me, and so that's kind of like a, you know, it's an on- ongoing, on living, testament to, to how powerful his work is. I was wondering, in your, you know, in, in your continued, continuation of his work and trying to get his books out there, what kind of censorship or have you run up against, or what kind of,
Speaker 11I guess censorship is really the best word for pushback have you gotten, have you had problems with, being able to have it online, being, and with this new project you're working on, have you been getting pushback from people? Or what kind of, you know, what, what kind of obstacles have you come across, in continuing, his great legacy?
Speaker 9Well, one of the big ones is that print on demand is a crucial part of a publisher's kind of, Rolodex nowadays. So essentially, you know, you don't necessarily print all of your books five thousand copies at a time. You do with books like Hitler's War, you do with books like, Churchill's War, but you don't necessarily with some of the, the books that don't sell so well. You, you'd sell those print on demand and- We're not able to have, not able to do that through, services like Amazon.
Speaker 9we're not able to do that with services like Lulu now because they've dropped us. They won't tell you why they've dropped you. It could be any book within twenty books, because there's books that we were publishing by my great-grandparents that were children's stories, and yet they don't just take down the book that's offensive, they remove your, they just block your access one day to the next on the platform, and that's hugely disruptive to a business like ours, We have fifty customers a, a weekly to go, "Where's my book? I don't understand where my book is." And it's like, we didn't try to create this drama, this is happening as a result of the fact that we've been locked out of our printing facilities, and we've not even been given a list of the books that have been distributed and which ones haven't. So we're constantly having to try and fix problems, and this creates huge administrative barriers because then instead of the, the, the people that we have at the office actually packing the books We're responding to emails justifying why we're having to delay your book coming to you for another week.
Speaker 9so, you know, through trial and error, you end up with suppliers that, that you work with who are more trustworthy and who that doesn't happen with. But me coming with a little bit of a business background, but never having come from a business where you faced- This kind of censorship and, and, and, and these sorts of problems, having to not necessarily go with
Speaker 9the industry standard, but having to find other people who, who can, who can do, you know, a very similar job. And so, there's a lot of experimentation, a lot of us, a lot of what we do is having to find products and services who will work with us, Who don't have those ethical concerns or, you know, that, in, in, in, in the businesses that they'll deal with. And this could be really stupid stuff, like, for example, like My own camp, like we wanted to do our rendition of that, last year and we did, and it was one that got stop, stopped during production. And I see it as an educational book because, you know, even if you disagree with, like, you know, don't you have to understand what's going on in someone's mind in order to be able to disagree with it? So You know, I put it up there as a piece of companion work that people can read alongside, you know, David's stuff, 'cause that's what we were looking at doing, is expanding into, into other books that are relevant to our, towards our audience, and, and things like that will kind of get,
Speaker 9delayed for, for months at a time, which really, damages our growth, but we found ways around it, and, I think that climate's getting better, so we have, there's more options than there used to be.
Speaker 9but other forms of censorship that we faced recently. I mean, like on a, on a personal level, I went to go and visit friends in Nicaragua, never thought twice about where I was going, 'cause I, it, it was recently after, after, joining this, this operation, and,
Speaker 9I essentially got chased out of Nicaragua,
Speaker 9by what seemed like secret police. So, yeah, and then, then, you know, maybe I'm stupid, but I then looked online afterwards and I go, "Oh, who knew? One of Israel's closest allies, what a surprise." So, You know, and, and it's not like the British will actually do that much for you when you're stuck abroad, because A, they don't necessarily even have an embassy, and B, you know, I'm sure that the British, British,
Speaker 9Services probably see me as a pain in the ass too, just like they saw David as being a pain in the ass. So last time I ended up in trouble, I actually found that like my Spanish passport was a lot more useful, and lo and behold, they're the ones that are criticizing Israel, and lo and behold, they're the ones who have had multiple trains derailed in the last month or two, you know, with coinci-with very coincidental timing.
Speaker 11how do, do you guys do any kind of, I, I guess if I can just a little quick little two-parter here. have any, do you do any work with, trying to do like outreach through, like getting in the books and libraries? have you met any kind of resistance there? Is that something you're focused on at all? And as a second part,
Speaker 11besides just,
Speaker 9I, I did a When we took over, we reached out to about two hundred bookstores in the UK as a starter, ranging from very small independent operations to large bookstores like Waterstones where David's books used to be published, and apart from one person saying you must be having a laugh, Joe Rawn We didn't get a response. People are too afraid to carry his books because carrying his books means that you have rocks thrown through the windows, and that means high insurance prices. So,
Speaker 9you know, it's not necessarily even that independent libraries and, Bookstores don't want to stock his books, it's they're just afraid of the repercussions. That's why you find that, like, even in universities like Oxford and Cambridge, where they do hold his books, they actually have them in a closed-off area, and that's happened more and more in the last few years, not less than that.
Speaker 9so institutionally, if you look at our universities, I think in the West, they are less receptive to his material than ever before.
Speaker 9But then again, they've been massively infiltrated by, you know, the traditional enemies, as David would say.
Speaker 11Yeah, that's, I, I'm just such an honor to be able to talk to you and, and, you know, please keep doing the, the amazing work that you're doing, keep fighting. my last quick thing is, outside of buying the books, which obviously is, you know, is, is, is what you guys, you know, support you, but how else can, can people support you, what's
Speaker 11Able to buy the book, but they wanted to help you with, I don't know, promotions or just with maybe just something in the background, or, you know, just spreading your message in general and getting, getting his work out there. What's the best way that, that somebody could offer support to you and your family?
Speaker 9I mean, if it, I think it's also good if, like, for people to do things in real life, i.e. as offline, if you have friends that you feel comfortable about talking about his work with, who are receptive but maybe don't know about him, talk to them about it, don't be scared. I think, you know, when there's been topics that I've been fearful that, like, people in my sphere- People,
Speaker 9you know, might not be comfortable talking about. I've been constantly surprised that like people are, are slightly more clued on than, than we think that they are. It's just that people are afraid about talking about it, because we have so many reasons to be afraid. I mean, we've been put into a culture where if you disagree with your employee, you can be fired. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but definitely in, in Europe, it seems like if you don't hold the values of your employer, gone. And so, you know, I obviously work independently as part of a family business, but not everybody has that luxury. But I think it's important not to be scared. I think one thing that I've noticed that they're trying to do is they're try-- take away our safe spaces from us, and in UK that is our pubs, our pubs are- Called public houses, because that's where you'd go and get a drink, and you'd mingle with other people that were from the neighborhood, and you'd be able to discuss current affairs. And more and more, they've been trying to, to, to regulate those spaces away, so they've put rules in the UK right now where, for example, if you make someone feel uncomfortable just because they overhear your conversation, it is now the employer's job of that restaurant or bar or public place To tell you that you need to leave and to, whatever, but like the whole idea of these spaces was that you can go and relax with your friends and talk about things and try and get to the bottom of things. So why are they even, they're even scared when we're not online of what we're gonna say to each other in private? But I always say, don't be scared, you know, go and do your thing. At the end of the day, if you lose your job, you'll find another one. You know, we live in the West, it's not like, you
Speaker 9I think it's really important that, like, at this time in particular, because I feel like the, the, the people who rule us are likely to do something big soon, because they feel scared, because you can tell that they're losing control of the narrative, that we speak up even more than ever, and just because there's some false flag that appears in the news or whatever, that we don't get distracted.
Speaker 11I completely agree with that, and that's something I try to, I try to push through, you know, my, you know, the things I do on here, to get people more active in their communities and to get out and be doing things IRL. So, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you and your whole family and what you guys are doing for all of us. just keep fighting and, and yeah, if any of us here can do anything to help, please just reach out.
Speaker 9Thank you. Thank you very much.
@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much for the thing. Rabbi, go for it, welcome.
@malleusigThanks, Joanne. Hey, Joanne, how you doing? I just wanted to, wanted to say thank you for, making the space, bringing in Irving Books, which is amazing. Irving Books, thank you immensely for coming. I didn't want to say two things. One was, the opub thing. The, the reason they went into your pubs is because they are afraid of anyone having the same organizational advantages that they have.
@malleusigAnd what they have is a legally protected, meeting once a week, without any cell phones or anyone to eavesdrop on them that isn't one of them. And they wanna make sure no one else gets that protection. They've already infiltrated your churches, so they know you can't do anything there. Pubs are essentially the only place left that you can. And from now on, if, if they get rid of those, the only thing you're gonna be able to do is to rent a room somewhere in a convention center or something like that. And if you do that, they are going to find you,
@malleusigLibel your group as somehow antisemitic or Nazi-ish, and they're going to attack you and say you shouldn't be allowed to do even that. All right? So this is, the whole practice is taking their advantages, their policies, their policies, their organizational advantages, and maximize them while denying them to everyone else as much as possible. So you need to keep that in mind because that is what they're going-- doesn't matter what, expression that reaches, that is what they're gonna try to do. The other thing I wanted to ask you is this, m-- for me, my journey on this
@malleusighas been very similar to, I think, most people's, where it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't some meme about the Holocaust or it wasn't some, some person on Facebook or something that shared a, a JPEG that got me thinking. What got me thinking was watching- People like David Irving put out what I thought was a fairly milk-toast,
@malleusigaccount of World War II, didn't seem to butt up against any established narratives too much, and then to see the screeching hyperbolic reaction to it, and saying to myself, "He really hit a nerve somewhere, and wherever-- I need to find out where that nerve is." And as a good example of this, I, I queued up- You probably heard this, Max Blumenthal's,
@malleusigquote-unquote expose on, on, on Irving. he has, he, he starts it with a line like this.
Speaker 12David Irving was once one of the world's highest paid historians. His books defending the Nazis and attacking established accounts of the Holocaust have sold thousands of copies.
@malleusigSo when he says something like defending the Nazis and attacking the Holocaust, immediately I know he's making shit up. And he's pushing an angle, and that gets me thinking. to be quite honest, I think the greatest thing for, kind of like our side of the discussion, is for people to keep putting out false documentaries and false statements like this. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 9Is that the beginning of that video where he then, at the end of the video, he then puts David into some makeshift fake gas chamber or something?
@malleusigI didn't see that far in the video. It
Speaker 9might- Yeah, I think it's right at the end or something. And you'll see if you look at the end of the video, I think he, he's, I think it's a Jewish guy, and at the end of the video, he's like- Puts, some gas through the, the, the recording studio where David is, or something like that, it's ridiculous.
@malleusigThis one, this one, not this clip. I know, it is a Jewish guy, it's Max Blumenthal, who right now is very good on the topic of Gaza, but back then, I think in the nineties, was just basically standard Jewish mainstream, gutter reporting. But, this is a clip, so there may be more to this that I'm not seeing. But that's wild if he did that.
Speaker 9Yeah, there was one guy that did that for sure, 'cause I watched it recently. It got him there on the false pretenses and basically let him, you know They talked about their differences for twenty minutes, and the guy goes, "Oh, I'm just popping out for a second, I'm gonna be back." And when he comes back, he locks the door and then pumps the, the room full of like some kind of, not a toxic gas, but obviously kind of like a gas, like invisible gas, yeah. Absolutely despicable. Absolutely. And that's, yeah, which I think even if you are part of the community that did lose family members that way, it's the most distasteful joke. Yeah.
Speaker 9That, yeah. But, I don't
@malleusigknow. No, I, I just, I just wanted to say because the, for me the biggest, the biggest effect in play here is the Strizan effect, where if they had said nothing, David Irving would have simply, he would have been, I think, one more historian that college students like don't want to read because the books are so long, right?
Speaker 9Well, if you think about it, he's the kind of the only historian that's kind of Had some kind of cool around him in a way, you know? Like, I don't really know that many kind of like famous historians that are famous outside of that pocket of, you know, academia. But at one point in time, he would have been a household name, at least in the UK,
Speaker 9maybe not for the right reasons, but it, yeah, when you said the strike sound effect, something he said made him, made his reach bigger than it would've been, if they had just not paid him attention. And then I think that they did actually learn from their lesson, because what ended up happening is that the newspapers don't really talk about him anymore.
Speaker 9I think with the news of his illness, we had-- there was one article in the Daily Mail about how he had had a stroke, and it was written in quite a dis-- a distasteful way, the article. But that was the only one. whereas even maybe just a few years before that, when there was the whole argument over whether Jeremy Clarkson had borrowed his book to do his BBC documentary, it was big news. So I've kind of gathered that what they do is, they come after you and they try and destroy you, and if they can't get you that way 'cause you carry on speaking, then they just stop talking about you. Yeah. And,
Speaker 9that's where social media kicks in. And 'cause why is there a mismatch between people talking about someone online and spreading his work so in, in such a way, and such silence from the traditional avenues of, of- Of marketing and reach.
@malleusigYeah, exactly. I mean, the, the game they play in the media, in the traditional media, is to, they-- I mean, it's the same thing you see Jews doing in, in, in discussions on here, is they will redefine you and then they'll freeze you as that thing, right? This is literally called-- It's, it's practiced called freezing, like in, in the industry. And what they'll do is Every time you're named, they'll, they'll accuse you of some sort of sin. Doesn't have to be a crime, it can be, believing in conspiracy theories. Well, I'm always,
Speaker 9I'm always Holocaust denier's grandson. Exactly. And in the one mainstream podcast that I've done, that's how I was presented. I never thought to have to think like I'll make sure you negotiate what title they put you down, and I don't mind being referenced as like David Irving's grandson. But to be referenced on a podcast where you're asked to come on in good faith to talk about what you're doing, and then the title is Holocaust denier's grandson, there's definitely framing going on there. And then in the article that I got put in, tagged in in Sweden.
Speaker 9Stupid reasons. It was like a similar thing, it was like David Irving Holocaust, and it's always, it's always, they try and taint you by association. But so they'll talk about, you know, such and such was seen at a gathering of extremists. And then you look at the other people in the photo and you go, "Well, which one of them is an extremist?" Because I'm not quite sure who they're talking about here.
Speaker 9And it, it also-- They've not referenced one, they've not said this person is an extremist, they've said this per-person pictured amongst extremists. We'll clarify, you know? But yeah, they're, they're nasty again. No one falls for this anymore. I don't know, maybe some people do, maybe I'm surrounded by smart people, I don't know. But generally, I don't really know anybody that falls for like what newspapers say anymore. Like I still read the news sometimes, like mainstream news, but I'm constantly reading it with a lens that goes, "Okay, but what's the real story?" And I'm pretty sure that, like, that must be what most people read the newspapers thinking nowadays.
@malleusigOh, you'd be surprised. I mean, I You would be surprised. I would be- I think highly of the human race myself, but unfortunately, I can't, like, there's no evidence for that just yet. There is- I've seen it within
Speaker 9my peer group, I suppose, like, friends of mine who are intelligent, with good jobs and stuff, who maybe wouldn't have, like, even considered certain things, I do see them considering them now, at least in private. Yeah. Maybe that's spread down to everybody, but it, it does seem, at least with people with the potential to be able to- To ex-explor it,
Speaker 9and sometimes not the people that, sometimes people you'd be surprised.
Speaker 9yeah. But yeah, a long way to go. There's a lot of people that are asleep, and sometimes it does make me wonder whether everybody should get a vote. Yeah, no, I wonder
@malleusigabout that myself out loud very often. And, one final thing,
Speaker 9I guess democracy is kind of the system. Adam, would
Ian Malcolmyou believe me if we debated this very subject, about twenty-four hours ago in a rather inflammatory fashion?
Speaker 9No, I guess, all these things linking to each other, so I'm not surprised, but I didn't listen to it. But, yeah, like, it's an interesting subject, but I don't know what, like, what, what new criteria would you have for who gets to decide things, because it's not the monarchy, right? Right? You guys definitely got rid of that a long time ago. So, you know, I think we're realizing in this country now that it's not the monarchy either. And then we have elected officials, but they all seem corrupted too. Most of the, most of the population shouldn't get a vote because they don't even know what they're voting for if you actually ask them. Yeah.
Speaker 9so who gets to, who gets to impose their will, like, just the, the The, the sneakiest, the, the strongest, the person that uses the most force, because it definitely doesn't seem to be the best, the most talented.
@malleusigI, I think honestly, it's, it's not like selection of the top anything, it's that we just need to enforce a, a much more strict lower bar, right? So we need to have my, my belief is that there needs some kind-- there needs to be some, to be some kind of educational requirement for voting. There needs to be maybe even land owning requirement for voting, right? Because if you are, if you don't own real estate, you don't really have a, a lot of stake in the country, right? Plus a citizenship requirement, 'cause you can't have Chinese people buying land just to vote either. But why,
@joann_marieit doesn't matter if we vote for anyone, they are pre-selected and they are literally corrupted, so I don't understand what's the point.
@malleusigNo, well, that's the thing, see, see They are pre-selected, but the pre-selection, that whole kind of like selecting both sides process, is definitely facilitated by letting idiots vote, right? Because you can, it ma- it basically greases the waterslide for the elites. If you are- What do you consider idiots? Restricting the vote. If you're restricting the vote to people that are a little more qualified to vote, then it does make it more difficult, and that's the whole idea is to introduce- And into their game.
@malleusigBut, I didn't want, I didn't want to get into this topic too much. I did want to say one, point out one thing that I have noticed which may be significant is that the traditional enemies, they, I've noticed when they make their arguments, for example, that Israel isn't committing a genocide, they, I realized this, this week, they're not making the argument to convince us. The reason that they are- So insistent and adamant about Israel not committing a genocide is because they can't risk that being the narrative that gets written down in history. They can't have any mainstream newspapers or primary sour-sources calling what Israel's doing, a genocide or a holocaust because they know that in ten years, historians will look back on the newspapers from today. That's their only concern.
Speaker 9There's a huge suicide rate amongst IDF soldiers at the moment after they've-- these atrocities. So I just wonder, like, whether part of it is like a sort of morale thing, you know, they have to persuade their own population that they're doing the right thing, too.
@malleusigWell, the tragedy is all the good Jews are killing themselves because they're the only ones with any vestige of a conscience, right? Which basically makes the entire culture more psychopathic as time goes on.
Speaker 9And you know, I do have to say, like, I do believe that there are good Jewish people out there, but it's just that why does there seem to be so many Jewish people out there right now who do seem to support, like, a genocide and who do seem to, like, you know, there does seem to be a tribal aspect amongst it, and they maybe have this tribal aspect as, as more Embedded into them. I don't know why Catholics, for example, don't have the same kind of networks that they do to get, to give each other support when we're down. It's kind of been bred out of us, but it's constantly reinforced in them. Right, well that's, that's, and the, and I think we're absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, to
Ian Malcolmspeak on that, Rabbi, because the, the studies on in-group bias amongst Jews, both religiously and, culturally or, or slash ethnically, contrasted to those of Christians, or it, it's essentially the inverse of one another, right? I'm not sure if you wanna comment on it. It is, it is.
@malleusigSo, there is-- This is my chance to recommend, what a good book that I am, I just got clued onto by somebody in a space that I digest today. it's a, an author named Kevin McDonald, and he wrote three books One is called A People That Shall Dwell Alone, the other is The Culture of Critique, and the other one is Separation and Its Discontents. And he is apparently one of the most banned authors, apart from David Irving. and it's really difficult to find his books, even though they're written, I think, in the nineties. And I'm just getting into the first chapter of, A People That Shall Dwell Alone, and his take is essentially that the Chris-Christian Europe developed from, kind of like these Northern European peoples, who lived kind of around the, the Arctic or, you know, or lo-local to, closer to the Arctic. And Jewish culture evolved from people that lived closer to Asia And so our two evolved cultures are very different in that the people that lived around in the cold, cold lands evolved a more egalitarian kind of altruistic
@malleusigsharing culture where everything is more universal, and when you find people in your community that are-- I mean, not of necessity, because the resources are so scarce, when you find people in your community that are, are free riders, that are simply taking advantage of the system, they are punished very, very harshly by us. We have a very strong innate psychological disgust response to, free riders, people that are taking advantage of us for their own, for their own benefit. Jews come from, the Ashkenazis come from a culture that's much more Asian, it's much more similar to the Chinese culture, which is mainly family based, it's clan and family based, and so everything is seen as, things are seen and interacted with as less universal and more centered around the family unit And more of, I need to benefit the in-group, at the expense of the out-group kind of thing. And so they don't have that, immediate disgust response to free riders because they see it as just, "This is how humans act." And that seems to be the major disconnect between our two groups and why Jews don't see anything wrong with what they're doing and we do, which would perfectly explain the cycle of expulsions, yada yada yada, right? It's this, this thing where the rattlesnake doesn't see anything wrong with biting your toddler, it thinks that it's-- well, it was me or him, you know? But there's
Speaker 9a kind of gaslighting in it as well, though, which is kind of-- Yeah. Funny to your face, you know, you're wrong, and you should just continue to allow me to do this, and it's kind of-- and everybody seems to just go, "Okay then," and...
@malleusigBecause they see, they see the gaslighting as completely allowable. They see it as one more, one, just one more lever they can pull.
Speaker 9Look at
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Speaker 9relationships, you know, it takes people a long time to leave an abusive relationship normally, and maybe we're at that point.
@malleusigYeah, yeah. But they see, they see that and like the, all the English language, your, your emotions, your functioning conscience, they see these things as just one more lever they can pull to get the desired behavior out of you. And, that's why I think one thing
Speaker 9people have is that normal people, what we consider normal people, people who think more or less like the people that are mainly on, on this space right now We expect that everybody else has a similar mindset to us, when I don't think that people realize how many psychopaths there are out there and how differently they do think from us. So we try and put everything through our, our frame of morality, and we don't realize that there are people playing by completely different rules. And so you just have to be awake to that, to some degree.
@malleusigDefinitely 100%. And I think the, the, the percentage of psychopaths in the Jewish community needs to be studied, but it is probably gonna be the last research they allow to go forward. But I'll leave it there. I don't wanna monopolize the stage or monopolize the time with you. Thank you so much. No, and, and,
Ian Malcolmand Rabbi, yeah, no, loved, loved the, the inputs and, and please stay up and, and continue jumping in. And, with that, I wanna go to, Mr. Nietzsche. I'm very curious if he's got any thoughts for, for either Adam or, or on his grandfather, Mr. David Irving.
Speaker 13Well, hello, my friend.
Speaker 13And yes, I'm, I'm To be aware of what a great historian David Irving has been. It takes such courage to always pursue the truth. You know, I give the example of Socrates who said, "When I try to escape the grasp of the truth, as though she was a woman, I find myself back on her doorstep in the morning." And there's just a special kind of person that has the intellectual int-integrity and the courage to follow it, where they just keep going towards the truth. And I've noticed, I followed David Irving for- For a long time, and I'm so impressed. I hope he's well, by the way. How is he today? Like, what's his life like now? Is he alone? He,
Speaker 9he still lives in the same flat he was living in before, but he has to be looked after, and, he's happy. He's happier than I, than I used to see him, because he's not stressed with work all the time. I think he finally realizes that sort of, he's, he can enjoy the rest of his time,
Speaker 9But yeah, it's, it's sad because he's, he's changed because he has, cognitive problems, to do with his speech, to do with the way that he processes information.
Speaker 9and I can tell it's frustrating for him, but I think it's got to that point where the frustration is kind of gone and he's now just kind of- Peaceful and happy all the time.
Speaker 13it's, it's really wonderful to think that whatever we accomplish in the future, and I do believe that we are winning, I do believe that the awakening is happening, I believe in Hugo's idea that nothing can stop an idea whose time has come, and if that is so, it is because of David Irving and people like him. I don't know
Speaker 9if any of the rest of you have this permanent sense of unease because we seem to be so close. To change, but it feels like something is around the corner, something is about to happen, because I certainly do, I have this constant sense of unease, even when some piece of good news comes out for us about what these people get up to, for example,
Speaker 9but it's like that's, that can't be it, you know? There's always gonna be a distraction. Well, you know,
Speaker 13civilization never really collapses, but it does have-- there are cataclysmic things that happen, but you notice throughout history, whether the revolutions of 1848 or whether it be the plague, that somehow life and truth finds a way, and then something good comes of it, something wonderful. I think political states, by their nature, devolve But civilization evolves, and I think that, Hegel had it right, it evolves from the lower to the higher, in other words, towards the truth. And I think about people in the Soviet Union, you know, in the late stages of the Soviet Union, everybody knew they were being lied to. So I'll pose this as a question to you from an historical lens. Don't you think that's where we are now? It's like we all know, I, I came into the space and you were saying this wonderful thing about, well, we all know we're being lied to. When, if we, if we turn on the news, if we're, if we're mis-so unfortunate to stumble upon a news program, we're, we're thinking, "How's this play? You know, and what's curated so I don't, that I'm not supposed to hear?" The majority of the news now is so curate-cured that it's, you can American history, which is the Epstein scandal, I would say. But don't you think that's it? When we're all sort of-- when this idea that we're being lied to and deceived, just like in the old Soviet Union, isn't that sort of the telltale sign that the big change is coming?
Speaker 13What do you, what do you think about that?
Speaker 13I
Speaker 14will answer that. Yes, a big change is coming. A big change is coming.
Speaker 14Adam, are you there?
Speaker 9I am here. I mean, I do feel like a big change is coming, but I don't know what change. I'm sceptically optimistic.
Speaker 9I also worry that, like, 'cause it feels like there's gonna be some heads are gonna roll soon, that they're just gonna do a public display of, kind of like, "Here's your meat, kind of take it," and that what we're gonna end up finding is not much changes. that's what I'm kinda most worried about. It's just a changing of the guard, like at Buckingham Palace, you know? Some go and some new ones come in, but whoever's pulling the strings above that remains.
Speaker 9and that's my problem, for example, of like the Reform Party in the UK, is that it seems to be very much just like, "Uh, here's a new brand for what is effectively just the Conservatives who didn't manage to solve it the last time." But then, you know, we're seeking like, it's like Neo from The Matrix type thing, right? We're like seeking someone who's gonna save everything. I guess like right now, that guy looks like Rupert Lowe from Restore over here. Maybe it's a little bit similar to, I don't know why, but... Like Nigel Farage and Donald Trump seem to be in alignment, and yet you guys had the Donald Trump thing, and we guys seem to, like, although Nigel seem to be mates of Trump, it doesn't seem like it's going that direction. It seems like we're gonna get a guy called Rupert Lowe is the only one who's kind of talking any sense to us. But I do wonder, like, maybe, I'm sorry, maybe I'll rub some feathers up the wrong way, but once- We get that new guy in who we think is gonna save us from everything, is it just another wolf in sheep's clothing? Who's, I don't know, I really don't know.
Speaker 9Because I think the point where you can distrust everything and everyone, and everybody is an enemy, because we're so disillusioned that we don't even have, have any hope anymore. And so- For example, I don't, like, you guys might not know about Rupert Lowe, but like, I wanna believe, I wanna believe that he's got the best intentions for us, and I wanna believe that he's a solution, but I think the everyday person needs to do so much more. They need to like clean up their own patch as well, like it's not just about looking to like our politicians for the answers. But why aren't we not holding everybody accountable that we come across it on a daily basis? We don't like something, we should be saying it. Not violently, but peacefully and firmly.
Speaker 13But I think the, I think the Matrix example works here. When you read Moses Hess, Rome to Jerusalem, The Last National Question, he's laying out in the, in the mid-nineteenth century, he's laying out the exact plan That has been expedited almost flawlessly ever since then. And of course, once you know that it is a matrix, it kind of gives away everything. The matrix doesn't work unless people are asleep within it. If people say, "Well, this is all bullshit, this is a Matrix," you know, I've given a couple of times to other people in the room, the idea of the Truman Show when he's, when, Ed Harris's character, the Eye in the Sky, is telling him at the end, "Hey, come back," you know, even though it's all bullshit and you know it, you're the star, well, you, you couldn't really go back, right? Because you'd go, "Oh, this is all bullshit." So I, I do think, I think you're right, people are confused if they think, if, if within the matrix, within the koi pond, they go, "Oh, it's right versus left, oh, it's black versus white, it's, it's, it's blue collar versus white collar." But once you see the matrix for what it is, once you see the Moses Hest Jewish supremacist matrix, and you go, "Oh, gosh, well, this is the problem. Let's wake up from this and just identify the problem." And I think that's basically,
Speaker 13We do have to do something, but ultimately it's just being aware of the, of the matrix and fundamentally who designed it, how it works. I mean, isn't that pretty much where we're going? The
Speaker 9other, the other thing I worry about, is like speaking from like nationalist friends of the company, who are all like very, like, well-intentioned people, and I believe like that, like, their main motivation is just looking after their family and their country and, and, you know, they don't understand why we invite people into respective countries who don't- You know, who don't have the best intentions, for their homelands whilst giving them a home, for example.
Speaker 9But I do worry that like the pendulum could swing if, like, certain people get into power from, you know, the so-called far right, where the enemy never ceases to exist. It could just be a, a, a case where, like, you know, at what point, let's say if Let's say if the, like, let's say that in, in this country, Rupert Lowe gets into power, we begin to deport people, we begin to put them on planes, we begin to like, just to go, "You know what? We've had enough goodbye." Okay, so we start with a certain type of person, but then, okay, the economy's not even, the economy's not growing as much as we thought that it would be after getting rid of those two million Muslims, for example. Okay, who are we gonna deport next? Because there's always a bogeyman as So the only thing that I'm scared of with, with the potential that, you know, things swing the other way is that they will swing too far,
Speaker 9you know, because good things have come out of the last hundred years too, and you don't throw away, you don't throw the baby away with the bathwater, don't you?
Speaker 13Yes, but those good things are us, right? I mean, the rooster shouldn't be taking credit for the sun coming up, right? I mean, I don't really think this is a question of pendulation at all. I think this is a question of overthrowing that which amuses us. So I, I don't, I don't think that it's, if we wake up and we say, "Okay, we don't want to be ruled by Israel or Jewish supremacists anymore," we know the game they play. They basically coalesce all the malcontents, it's outgroup psychopathy, they have an entirely different moral system within themselves. If we know the game they're im-implying and the insincerity behind it, then it doesn't work anymore, right? It's like all of a sudden it's a magician that's doing a trick that, that we all know, and so pathetically he does it again and it doesn't have the same effect. I mean, I- I don't, I don't think it's just traditionally right versus left. I mean, the powers that be that we're talking about control both sides of that dichotomy, don't they? I mean, isn't that the thing? Let's,
Speaker 9let's say that we, let's say that like we have like a sensible remigration plan, right? And then we get rid of a boatload of people who really shouldn't be there. But then you get a few thugs on the street who decide that they've just had a few too many drinks tonight, and they decide to get into a fight because they see someone on the street who doesn't look like them. And that's the worry that I have is that, that there'll be a sort of
Speaker 9justification by the government that we should get rid of people And then this will start to be enacted on a more local level, but in a way that we didn't really expect, because people who perhaps don't understand so much, but just bit, are strangers in our life, decide that this looks a bit like fun. And I think we need to be bigger than that, and so I d- I really worry about like the actual method that people are gonna-- well, even if our elites are gonna use to enact these policies, how do we physically get these people out of the country? Because the last time, the best idea that people seemed to come up with was build concentration camps.
@malleusigIn
Speaker 9all fairness, probably these people's home countries don't want them back. Yeah, well, in all fairness,
Speaker 15they've already, built those concentration camps in America. It's called the GEO Group, it's a private prison camp. They've got, multiple of these camps in different states. So they actually have a deal with ICE, close to a billion dollars. So these illegals you mentioned, they end up getting arrested, they don't actually get expelled, they end up in these detention camps for extended period of times, and, they get ins-- they get enslaved actually They're subjected to slave labor where they're not paid anything, you know, they're, they're mistreated, they're subjected to deplorable conditions, unsanitary conditions, and they don't really have any rights to complain or say anything. And they're, this is happening right now in the US as we speak. And it was in fact Pam Bondi, the current, attorney general, the so-called DOJ, who is one of their biggest lobbyists when she was,
Speaker 15well, when she was a- One of the chief partners of the Ballard Group, which is known for, again, advocating for, you know, these types of companies. So that's already happened in terms of concentration camps, except it's on American soil and it's active. They had no intention in deporting any illegals, and that really is just a symptom of the bigger problem, 'cause well, who's the one letting the illegals in in the first place and why? You have to ask that question, and that's because of- Of course, they wanted to destroy the white culture by causing the intermixing and the, you know, the forced culture shock to destroy, you know, the social fabric of society of those of European descent. And then of course, they want to increase the labor pool as well, just so they have a bigger supply of labor from which the corporations can choose from to keep wages stagnant, just so they can keep their, their balance sheets low on the expense side while they continue to find ways to increase revenues or cheat on their, cheat on their balance sheets anyway, 'cause they have To show, you know, quarter over quarter, year over year growth to justify their ridiculous, you know, share valuations based on those, earnings to, their, their EP ratios, earnings to price ratios, which again are completely absurd for the, the top five, six, ten, Nasdaq and also S&P five hundred companies, and many more too. So it's just pure stock market rigging that requires these types of policies that are advocated for by the government itself that's not answerable Problems. But what, Adam, what I'd, suggest to you is, why are you waiting on a political solution or someone to come save the day, whether it's Nigel Farage or anyone else? People are all innately corrupt and shady. The current system's completely rigged and broken. It's the people that have to stand firm and r-realize they have the agency to make change through boycotting all the crappy companies out there, all the ones that are involved in things like, say, Food Inc. and the toxic foods that these people sell, and of course, Big Pharma
Speaker 15Scenes to gradually murder people and of course, sports, entertainment, Netflix, all the social, all the various sources of propaganda, including mainstream media like your BBC News, et cetera You know, people have agency to, you know, take back their most valuable commodity, which is time, and not to waste it with these people and to educate themselves on real history by reading, you know, books that your grandfathers authored, in addition to spending their time wisely, getting fit, spending more time exercising, doing things like grounding, getting out, getting vitamin D, not getting sick anymore, have more productive days, and ideally more time for things to matter, like, you know, raising a family or, you know, spending maybe some vacation leisure time and to just even self- Reflect and be able to think, 'cause unfortunately we live in a society where, as Rockefeller put it, they don't want a nation of thinkers that can think critically. They want you to outsource that to an AI bot, as you were think-- as you were talking about earlier. You know, they want a nation of workers that don't question anything, that are submissive, obese, just, completely, again, passive and aren't, a-and won't hold the treasonous government establishment, you know, accountable for all their crimes, don't wanna know as committees, Overseas wars, and now we're on the precipice possibly of World War III, which the UK will be involved in as well, 'cause they're, they're gonna send, their own little fleet to support America as to go and attack Iran, just to represent once again Israel's interest. So this whole system's completely corrupt, rigged, compromised. There's no fixing it from within, it needs to collapse, just as they collapsed the UK system after World War II. You know, they lost the World Reserve Currency status, and then needed loans, and they had to withdraw from their colonies
Speaker 9It's a little bit similar to software, like when software, when, when you have a piece of software or an organization, like, you know, we have the National Health Service here, sometimes it gets so bloated that it's beyond repair, and the only thing that you can do is to start a parallel system up at the same time, like a startup almost, that starts to serve the, the same interest but in a leaner way, and then you kind of have to have the two systems parallel at once until the, you know, you kind of get the legacy system Just kicked to the backside, and maybe that's what's gonna happen with the current political kind of system that we have. I don't understand when we have the internet nowadays, you know, why can't we vote for every major thing that we, that we need to have a say in personally from our computers? Why are we leaving that down to
Speaker 9government? I mean, they give us a referendum when they feel like giving us a referendum,
Speaker 15Look, there's only one country that operates that way, and that's Switzerland. Where they have like an annual democracy and referendums for all major laws that get passed or for any major spending bill. It's rare, but they're a small country that's as accountable as you and I get. But again We're still waiting on a political solution, and these governments aren't gonna hold themselves accountable or provide transparency or get rid of the usurious banking system that controls the monetary policy that causes inflation, unemployment, and market instability that, you know, disproportionately benefits them So,
Speaker 15there, there aren't no political solutions here. The system has to collapse. It's just like when, you know, the National Socialists took power in nineteen thirty-three, they weren't gonna wait to vote their way to solutions. They don't, they went straight to arrest the criminals, being the Rothschild banksters, and they started up their own treasury. and then they got rid of degeneracy, burning books, you know, from the Institute of Sexuality and the Frankfurt School. So all this, it's gotta be eliminated. The problem's gotta be addressed accordingly
Speaker 9But there probably will be a similar thing that happens, unfortunately, it'll probably end a similar way to the last time that it ended, which is, you know, they, they need to get the system course corrected, and the legacy system takes over again, you know? That's the fear. So I don't know what the solution is.
Speaker 15Well, it's to carry on spreading the message and to boycott all the crappy businesses, starve their bottom lines. That's the solution, but it has to be done on a daily basis rather than just disillusionment and I don't know. You do know. Well, I think it works. It's just, I listen. Okay, listen, Adam, tomorrow, Adam, if tomorrow the Jewish problem ended and there's no longer Jews in charge of everything from the monetary system controlling politicians controlling the media, what about all these bad habits from smoking, drinking, gambling
Speaker 15The obesity problem, well, these problems still persist, they still have to be fixed. People need to still, adopt good habits, so why not start now today? Why wait for some government to say eliminate, you know, rapeseed oils and, you know, poisons, canola, Crisco oil that causes cancer? You know, why wait? Well, that's the kind of thing
Speaker 9that people can do that kind of thing, and I think there are a lot of people who are- That because there's a lot of people like us that maybe have the time or we prioritize knowledge in a way that other people don't, but most people are just too tired when they get back from having done a full nine to five job to then wanna get on like the truther movement. You know, with the two hours that they have left of their waking day, they're probably gonna go and watch some crappy TV and, and you know, that brings them a little bit of happiness that they have. So I'm not saying that that's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's really, that Happens, that is, you know, the reality of the world that we live in. It's reality of the world today, and most people can't be bothered.
Speaker 15But Adam, the direction is going is that AI automation is gonna replace about ninety percent of jobs, so most people are gonna be stuck relying on universal basic income, so that's not gonna last. Some more people need to wake up to that reality. Or they're most likely
Speaker 9not gonna be here because they're probably, you know, next time around, they'll get their bioweapon right, and then most of the population will just I mean, call
Speaker 15that evolution or process of natural selection, smart people will of course object and refuse the next clot shot, ideally, hopefully, that'll be many people. And those that don't, well, never learned in the first place, they just can't be reached. You can't save everybody.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and real quick, Adam, I'm, I'm curious for, 'cause, just 'cause, of COVID, I'm curious for your, and, and I don't know if your, your grandfather did make public statements on it, but, And, did, did he have any thoughts that he shared with you on, on kind of the COVID regime and what he thought that might have been behind that, I suppose?
Speaker 9You know what, weirdly enough, he wasn't What do you call it? I guess what, what the mainstream would call like a conspiracy theory about the COVID thing. In fact, like I think he, he thought it was a real pandemic at first. But he'd already been affected by strokes by that point, so though he was, he was a lot more lucid than he is now, he wasn't 100% well even when COVID was happening. There was kind of two sides of his brain, and like the, the The kind of speaker side, the one that was able to interact with like an audience, had already gone, but he was still able to write,
Speaker 9I don't know how, I think the doctors were quite impressed that with the amount of brain damage that he had, like, he was still functioning, but he didn't particularly have a, a strong opinion on being an anti-COVID vaxxer or, or, or Or any of that kind of line of inquiry, and, and for me as well, like it kind of came a little bit later, like at, at the time whilst COVID was happening, I can't say that I complied with COVID lockdown, like. I went on holiday, I went abroad, like, you know, I worked for myself, so I was able to kind of take the isolation time off when I got back to the UK, which was the week or so that you weren't allowed to le- allowed to leave the house. When you got back home, the police would knock on your door to check that you were there and everything. I wasn't particularly compliant with all of it, but I did take the jab, even though I had, I took two of them, I would never take another one, and in fact, the second one gave,
Speaker 9but yeah, I don't know. I, I think, hey, I think you cut off. Oh, I think it's, I think it's complicated. I think, but, but hold on, is
Speaker 15it complicated though? 'Cause in the 1970s, there were like three Japs, three backseats that were on the schedule. Now it's over 70. The grandfather wouldn't have been astute enough to notice in the eighties, nineties, two thousands, there's something wrong here. Why are there all these vaccine schedules? Absolutely. Absolutely. Because they
Speaker 9kind of sell it to us like it was a flu jab, but on steroids, you know? So it wasn't really sold to us like it was a new jab, it was kind of sold to us like, "This is the solution for a new severe flu strain." But, like, you know, yeah, like it, it was very suspicious because it was using a whole, protocol, The mRNA kind of technology that hadn't ever been used before, and I suppose that should have been very suspicious. And the fact that, you know, what, supposedly at first, you know, was supposed to stop us, it's supposed to stop us from passing it on to our elderly relatives, but it turned out that actually it doesn't work like that, so everybody has to get it, which is bullshit. and it turned out they didn't actually work at all. Everybody that I know who took more of those vaccines seemed to get COVID more times than the ones who never took it.
Speaker 14One hundred percent. And you know what? I think the, the prescribing, the, the marketing point was if anyone wanted to go on holiday, they would, they would take the vaccine to allow them to go on holiday, and that's what people, chose over health.
Speaker 9Well, they marketed it in different ways to different segments of the population. So there, there's literally a guidebook that you can find online by our national health service, which is basically arm in arm with the government, and they went, "Um, when you're trying to convince an elderly person to take this..." Make them think you're doing this for your country, because that's so programmed into, into that segment. That's disgusting,
Speaker 14disgusting that. And then when,
Speaker 9then, but then with the younger population, it was about, "This is to be able to get, so you can go on holiday, so you can see your friends gain." So they psychologically profiled us.
@cwlooperAnd
Speaker 9I don't think, like, I do feel a little bit stupid for falling for it. I did have friends tell me you're dumb for getting it at the time, and I thought, "Oh, Well, we're all gonna be dead anyway, kind of thing. And these people vote, aren't they? So, you know, I think it's- No, he's right, he's right, he's right.
Speaker 14He's-- That's kind of how it went, you know? You're gonna die anyway, so fuck it.
Speaker 9I was like, I don't really wanna be walking around London when everybody I know is gone 'cause they took something experimental vaccine, I might as well go with them.
Speaker 15Yeah, you speak, you speak for yourself there. I mean, that's just again- Yeah, I, I- Natural selection. I didn't get it. It's an evolution, right? That's how people decide on the future. Well, I think natural
Speaker 9selection stopped me at the second job because I think by the time they asked me to get the third one, I was like, "You told me it was one, I
Speaker 9Yeah, I'm not falling for this shit. I didn't even know there was a third one. I have an allergic reaction, but myocarditis, I won't be. Wow.
Speaker 15Adam, by the way, the next time they call you the grandson of a Holocaust, now, tell them you don't deny the Holocaust. You acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust, the Russian Holocaust, the German Holocaust. Yes, sir.
Speaker 9Exactly. Yeah. I mean, the Russians, I mean, they lost the most people of all, and nobody even talks about it.
Speaker 9yeah. It's interesting now though, because the, the political alliances seem to be shifting. I mean, Donald Trump seems to be getting closer with Russia, and the UK seems to be getting very tight with China. So I think that like the global friendships that were previously kind of like, quite cemented, it kind of gone.
Speaker 13Was your, was your grandfather aware of, and did he talk about the inversion of language? You know, for instance, there's a country in the Middle East that kills all the Semites around them, and then we call people anti-Semitic for objecting to it. That country obviously is Israel, and we don't want them to kill the Semites around them, but they, they have a predilection for doing so, like, you know, nobody ever imagined. And then of course, we say Holocaust deniers, and yet these people, these people are seen singular in their denial of the, of the Russian Holocaust, which killed forty million people, and of course, the hegemony involved in that in terms of burning the churches. So, did you, did your grandfather really, really, he, he had to be as a historian very aware of the language game, this sort of canteen language game, where they invert the meaning of things? Did, did you, are you aware of his thoughts on that or the fact that he cared about that?
Speaker 9No, but he didn't really talk about that, but In, in the same way, you know, like I remember Deborah Lipstadt going, "And this crazy man, David Irving, you know, blah, blah, blah, and it's actually not that crazy. He's probably one of the people who most relied on, like, you know, original sources." And yet he got criticized so, so massively, whereas the other ones just kind of quoted each other.
Speaker 9so there is a constant inversion. If you look at the movie Denial, for example, the one with, Rachel Weisz, one probably one of the most beautiful actors on the planet, but if you look at Deborah Lipstadt back then, she wasn't a beauty, and so like even if you wanna look, look at that, and then they, they, they kind of portray David as an ogre in the movie, and so everything is up and di- up, upside down world for them.
Speaker 9which means that we never really know what to believe.
@joann_marieRight, thank you so much. should we go to the next hand because, Philippe has been waiting for a long time.
Speaker 16Hi, and good evening from Germany. I have a special question, For the grandson of David Irving. maybe I'm a little bit late or very late, but I would like to s- see, David Irving, having last words in German. I know he speaks German, to the German audience. And another question is, are you in contact with, marketing experts, so you can,
Speaker 16do more marketing, reach more people with your, books and, and so on. Thank you so far.
Speaker 9On, on the marketing side of things, no, we don't work with any agencies or anything like that, but if anybody has any ideas of what we should be doing, I mean- Feel free to send me a direct message and, with your recommendations. We're always open to suggestions in general. so if there's anything you think we should be doing differently,
Speaker 9then please do get in touch. Except for the people who send me nasty direct messages saying that I'm somehow like disrespecting my granddad's memory and I should be staying completely silent, because I don't really know who that would help at all, but.
Speaker 14Anyone doing that can fuck themselves. They don't understand. Fuck
Speaker 9them. Thank you.
Speaker 16What, what, what I would like, like to see more, more shorts, short videos of, of David Irving speaking, he's a strong brand, and, that's, yeah, could, could help maybe.
Speaker 9Yeah, well, we, we found some, some new videos recently that I don't think have been seen because- Honestly, there's so much material on pen drives, hard drives, you know, et cetera, CDs, floppy disks, that, that we've gone over every time we look in, there's some sort of new treasure trove of material. but yeah, like we struggle to get enough videos out there because they actually do take some time. Oftentimes, like the videos that were taken of David's lectures were like in quite like low definition and the sound could be quite wobbly 'cause it was taken by people in the audience. And We try and upscale that audio and upscale the video, and then people often complain that it looks like AI, but it's actually because it's pretty unusable unless we put it through that process. but yeah, I'm gonna take that on board, and I think, yeah, we wanna, we will post more David Urban clips, and we'll also do it on other platforms except for X, if it wasn't for the fact that it seems like we're just completely shadow banned on platforms like Instagram and TikTok, so there's not much point of us putting much more effort into that. So We tend to kind of concentrate ourselves on X,
Speaker 9and then of recent on Discord for people who wanna go into a little more in-depth sort of real history talk.
Speaker 14Adam, could I ask you a question, please, mate?
Speaker 9Go for it.
Speaker 14How, how does it feel to be the grandson of David Irving? I gotta be honest, I'm, I'm from Luton. I'm sure we all know of Luton. Tommy Robson is from there, and he's not wrong on the, political side. I'm not, I'm, listen, I don't wanna bring him into it because I used to follow this guy until I realized he wasn't Israel. Shh.
Speaker 9Andrew Tate also from Luton,
Speaker 14Potters Bar. Yes.
Speaker 9Why are you guys, why is everyone from Luton? Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson. Bro, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 14I can't pick where I'm from, but listen, it's, you know, Luton really, what Tommy-- even though Tommy Robinson is a, a shill for the Israeli lobby, when you walk out of your local co-op and it's a sea of hijabs, walking in, you know, you kinda relate You, you relate to what's, what's going on here. sorry, my, my main, my main question was,
Speaker 14how, how does it feel to be David Irving's grandson and, you know, pushing your narrative, which I'm sure is your granddad's narrative, And people kinda not believing, I guess, when you're so adamant in what you believe after he's told you what he's seen, what, you know, he came, he came to an interview with a brick from, from the Holocaust, you know, all of this stuff. He came with evidence, he came with facts and stats, but no one believed him. And I'd love to know how you feel,
Speaker 14the public, you know, how, how, how, how- How do they deal with the public, basically? Like, you know, you, you have a lot to defend from your grand- your grandfather, and, you know, I, I believe that he was correct. He, he, you know, he came with evidence, he came with stats and facts, and, you know, and people still call him a liar. Listen, my, my auntie was an English teacher in a local college near, near Luton. And, I, I've tried to educate, I've tried to educate her. Alright, I know that sounds crazy 'cause she's an English teacher, but I've, I've tried to educate her on, you know, David Irving and his findings and other stuff and resources, you know, other sources and stuff.
Speaker 14How, how do you feel? You know, I'm sure you've tried to make your point to people and, yeah, let's, let's leave it at that. How do you
Speaker 13feel about being David, the, this great historian's grandson? I'd love to hear your perspective there.
Speaker 14Absolutely, absolutely, and, and, yeah, please. yeah, I, I'm intrigued because I, I, I, I'm from Luton. I'm just, I'm just a local guy from Luton. I hate what's going on. I hate it Who's letting these people in? Exactly. I
Speaker 9think
Speaker 14absolutely, please, and, and
@joann_mariealso bombing their countries, right?
Speaker 14This motherfucker has-- He was the one that introduced me to, you know, the, the atrocities that's going on here. he exposed, you know, councils, local councils, blackbipping, school districts. You know, there's also
Speaker 9there's, there's people that we can disagree with but still see points in what they say. So I agree with you, like Tommy. Robinson points out a problem, but we have to look at who are the actual culprits, the puppet masters at the top. Absolutely, absolutely. On the question of being his grandson, if I'm being completely honest, let me think.
Speaker 9I think my family, there's a lot of ways in that my family aren't the most functional. Like, there's a lot of like clever and eccentric people, but, but there are problems because, because so many people in my family have grown up with problems as a result, not because of David, but because of what was happening around David, and that causes- Internal struggles within families, and, you know, yeah, it's difficult to grow up being like, you know, you were so, you know, yeah, I didn't really have that many people judge me as a result of being David's grandson, but like, you can't help but be so close to someone who is such a polarizing figure, and they're always gonna be people, one hundred percent. And I have become more comfortable with it the more I've- Dived into his work and having to deal with it because it turns out actually he was right, whereas I think when I was younger, I actually kind of wanted to stay away from it because I was worried that I was gonna find out that he was right, and I thought to myself, "Fuck, if I actually think to myself that he's right and I get on board, that is gonna be a whole struggle in its, in its own," and it has been. What, what age, sorry,
Speaker 14what, what age did, did you realize that? Isn't he,
@joann_marieisn't he really happy about, people from India going there? You know, like he's like the actual literal control of position. He literally says that it's fine for India to go there. Oh, oh,
Speaker 14you're referring to Tommy Robinson here.
@joann_marieYeah.
Speaker 9I haven't seen anything about it. Yeah, he,
@joann_mariehe even, he even said, someone was like, "England first," and he replied under "fuck you." Like, he's,
@joann_marielike, I don't understand why would anyone believe anything he says, anything.
Speaker 14Do you know, do you know the thing though? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna discredit him too much because he's the one that opened my eyes to the, like, the scandals, you know, councils were, were, were, were, were, were,
Speaker 9were But for the wrong reasons, and that's kind of- Yes, yes,
Speaker 14yes, absolutely, absolutely. And listen, I'm from Luton, I know exactly what's going on here. I know exactly what's going on in my town. I've lived here all of my life, I'm not just someone that's moved here. And he's not wrong. What's going on here. But when I tell you, Well, he's, he's defending the certain people. Well, the problem is that the type
Speaker 9of Islam that we have in this country is the least desirable. I mean, Dubai, absolutely, absolutely, United Arab Emirates won't pay-- they were previously paying for their students to come and study in British universities, they won't do it anymore because they've decided that they don't want their people to become extremists and to become radicalized. Yeah. I mean, over here, we'll get radicalized. Yeah. I mean, how insane is that? That a Middle Eastern country- It's true. In the middle of the desert, who's only existed for fifty years, is telling the UK that they're worried that their students are gonna get radicalized, yeah? Supposedly, we're the Christian country. I mean, how does that happen? We are so permissive. We have just, like, there's literally a two-tier system in this country. Absolutely. It's two-tier because they even have their own fucking courts, you know? Like, yeah, but what do we do? Who, who, and who do
Speaker 14we
Speaker 9blame for that? Who do we blame for that? But this is where, like, I, my, like, my knowledge is gets even worse because if, as you trace it back, like, to what government? I mean, when I ask people around me, they all seem to start with the Tony Blair government, but it doesn't start there, I'm sure. Oh,
Speaker 14the Tony- Oh, fuck that guy.
Speaker 17No, you have to go all the way back to the Race Relations Act in the 1960s. Yeah. They were the, that was really sort of the seed, the turning point. Yes, sir. I mean, Adam, if I may jump in, it's something the topic that I may, I know quite a lot about. Oh, please. The Blair government was really sort of like the, the inception of the sort of multicultural state. I mean, I don't, I'm not sure if you're aware of, Blair's speechwriter, who was, who was named Andrew Neather, who famously sort of leaked in a memo in the nineteen nineties that the whole, architecture and the whole, and the main policy of the left
Speaker 17in the, in the le Of mass migration to, quote, "rub the rights nose in diversity, to irrevocably change the demographic nature and the demographic makeup of this country." so we would basically have it forced upon us and, obviously what, what follows from that is all the socialism and all the absolute rubbish that we have. Do you have any knowledge about where does
Speaker 9Peter Mandelson fit into the situation? Who's obviously been in the news quite a lot recently and obviously a bit of a... Adam's trolling.
Speaker 17As far, as far as I'm aware, Peter Man- Peter Mandelson is sort of like the, the hatchet man of the Labour Party. I mean, I don't really think he's particularly ideologically driven, sort of kind of like how, maybe Alistair Campbell was. And for the American listeners, Alistair Campbell was famously the director of communications for Tony Blair, who, he was basically a spin doctor, he was the propaganda man, he was kind of the, to, to, to use an analogy that's, that's, Labor Party, but, obviously he is of a certain ethnicity, which, I won't mention.
Speaker 17Is he a Jew? And, well, yeah, well, yes he is. Don't, don't worry guys, I'll say it. We have strict, thank you. Yeah, we have, we have strict laws in the country, and we, yeah, we can get in trouble for saying stuff like that. But, yeah, he, a-as far as I'm aware, he wasn't particularly like the intellectual powerhouse behind it.
Speaker 17And, to a lesser extent, Brown and, Alistair Darling. These people were all student Trotskyists, too, who, never renounced their former, allegiance to the, the Soviet cause. And that's kind of borne out today with people like, Kier Starmer, who's the current prime minister, who isn't known Pablite. He's a, he's a Fabian socialist. He's a, a basically a student of, is it just me or you could, you
Speaker 9could show me a Not knowing anything about him, just say, "He just looks like a psychopath. " Exactly, yeah, it's the physi-physiognomy check,
Speaker 17isn't
Speaker 9it? Like, there's nothing about him that makes you think he's not part of that group. The eyes, there's, there's nothing behind his eyes.
Speaker 17Yeah.
Speaker 9And I, well, it's,
Speaker 17it's also, sorry, I was gonna
Speaker 9say that, that, there seems to be like a difference between these kind of like, there's like the key asthmatics who I actually find quite dangerous and very psych I don't think it's particularly bad, the intention, but I just so dumb that you-- I just don't understand how you're doing this job. There used to, there's-- Surely there used to be like some sort of qualifications that you had to have. Absolutely.
Speaker 14Absolutely.
Speaker 17Well, well, here's the thing, I think that, I think that Keir Starmer is actually a useful idiot. Like you previously stated, you know, if you, if you look at, if you watch an interview with him, he's totally dead behind the eyes. I believe there's a famous, interview that he did with the BBC when he first was elected as the, leader of the Labour Party, and he's asking him all these innocuous questions, he's saying, "Oh, what's your favorite movie?" And
Speaker 17he's like, "Uh It's like, oh, I don't really read for pleasure. Oh my, yeah, this guy is just a total non-entity. I think that he's put in there to do a job. They haven't
Speaker 9brought the pancakes. Sorry, I got it. The pancakes in the, in the minister's box. For Pankey,
Speaker 17I think
Speaker 9so. Oh my God, it's, it kind of, it's, it's humiliating. He, like, it's, you know, it's so humiliating as a country to watch it and just to think, "Ah, this guy's traveling all over the world trying to come to agreements with Trump and Xi and represent,
Speaker 17representing us on the global stage." And they must
Speaker 9just think we're a joke, like, by the way, we
Speaker 17know, we
Speaker 14know Kier Starmer's wife is Jewish, right?
@joann_marieHe's a Jew. He is
Speaker 14Jewish. He's converted to Jew. No, he, he
@joann_marieconverted to Jew. Someone in his family, like he, he's descendant from Jews. But he literally said it in, in a video. He is, he is, he is, he is. Real, real quick, let's throw a question in there. The children are raising
Ian Malcolmthe Jewish question. Just for curiosity, he is. So Does anybody actually believe that Kier Starmer is going around and that people take him seriously and actually believe he's calling the shots when he goes to meet with Trump, who, do we believe he's calling the shots? Right, right. Like it doesn't matter if these people are absolutely clueless, they're all-- There's someone pretending
Speaker 14they want to be-- I think Trump probably
Speaker 9appointed Peter Mandelson somehow, like, you know, although he didn't have the direct power to do so, seems convenient. Mandelson ended up being the PM. Seems convenient.
Speaker 17The, the current sort of theory is that the Blair government sort of, devolved away most of the power from the actual government itself, and now it's all been transferred away into these various faceless NGOs, which all have sort of like a, a leftist liberal bias. And what the government actually does is that because they can't recruit anybody who's competent anybo- anymore, because anybody who is competent goes into, things like finance or law, what they actually do is outsource all of this information to these NGOs, and they consult on that And that's why you have all of these horrendous anti-British policies which, just keep getting worse. Absolutely. And the normal people just think it's absolutely crazy, and, the government think everything's hunky dory. So
Speaker 14yeah, yeah. I can't argue with a word that he said, right? He, he's right, a hundred, a hundred, everything that he said.
Speaker 17Adam, I know this is a slight change of topic, but, if you, I've-- What's the, what, what about the, what's going on with the release date of Churchill's War, volume three? Obviously, I know your grandfather's very sick, and, he's, you know, probably not in the best of health. Actually, maybe I've never talked
Speaker 9about this like, publicly because it didn't come up. Exclusive. Didn't come up. yes. But so the state of finding things was, And making sure that all the existing books basically managed to just, like, continue as they should. And with that, like, he, honestly, I think he started it like twice because I, one of his computers was stolen and that he literally rewrote Truhamla from the beginning. And I think that the same thing happened with Churchill's War, Volume Three, because when I look at various different copies of the book, there's like kind of like two versions of it. That are very similar but different. So he, kind of looks like he then found the copy that he missed, that he lost. And what, I then had to spend time finding an editor. I had no idea how to find an editor. You can't just, you know Go the traditional route, so I had to find someone that was actually willing to do it. And I found someone really good. Actually, weirdly enough, like when I put the advert out there on the, it was an American website, I think the Editors Association of America or something like that.
Speaker 9And we had a, quite a lot of responses, and there's a few people that piqued my interest, and I tried to be reasonable and like, you know, go for like a spectrum. And one of them was actually ex-CIA, and she was quite good, and I decided, you know what, like, it's probably just not the right direction, so I'll leave her. but she was, she was plausible on paper, I found another woman who was lovely. Had the experience, her, her, her dad had died not that long before me and her got in touch, and he had been a fan of, he'd been a fan of David's.
Speaker 9and- we then started to get work together, and but like the further we, the further that we've gone through it, the more that it's become, apparent that we need to check each and every source that's attached, because David would have obviously had a lot in his head. so we have to check each and every one to make sure that they're actually accurate, that they respond to a record, that they are holding Q or they're holding the Washington office or whatever. And so that, that's really been a lot of the delay,
Speaker 17yeah. It's just making sure that- I was gonna say it must, it must be Herculean effort to be Herculean.
Speaker 9Yeah, it's pretty big. It's pretty big, and at the same time, we're also trying to keep the rest of the operation going. So it's like, yeah, of course, we wanna like give it 100% of our attention, but we can't because we also have to make sure that, hey, this war carries on going out through the door and all the other books.
Speaker 9I thought probably until about two weeks ago that it would be out,
Speaker 9I would say by September time. But with the level of like source checking that we're gonna have to do, I would be surprised if we could have it out by that. I would, honestly speaking, in order to not like disappoint people for the fifth hundredth time to give an accurate timeline, I would say definitely out there by March 2027.
Speaker 14yeah.
Speaker 9And simply because Yes, is the, does it read well at the moment? A hundred percent. Does it, is it David Irving, sound like David Irving just with like an editor, like, you know, piecing the different documents together? Yes. But the bit that we need to check is all, all the source documents and make sure that when what he's referring to is what he meant to refer to, because we found a couple of insta-a couple of instances where obviously it was left in as a draft and, you know- But wasn't meant to be there at the end.
Speaker 9so it's tricky, especially 'cause I don't come from that, like a, a publishing background, so I'm relying on the people that are around us to, to help the editor, and I have a guy who's, who is very well acquainted with the Q archives, But a lot of this is like, you know, as and when they're able to help us, 'cause they have other jobs as well.
Speaker 17Yeah, it must require an awful lot of, faith and trust that you must put in an editor, because obviously the last thing that you would ever want is anyone to sort of, you know, bastardize your grandfather's work or anything like that, and it must be very difficult. It
Speaker 9took a, it took a few months of me getting a little bit acquainted with What he did before I could even really consider reaching out to editors, 'cause I wouldn't have even known what to ask them for. And there's a lot of like politics on both sides, right? Like you don't necessarily wanna take a mega fan to come on board and get involved because they have their own agenda too. So I wanted to find someone who was very balanced. And who wasn't gonna edit David's work to sound more extreme or, or, or the other way. I wanted them to basically just go, "No, this was David's intention, from what I can see, I'm not gonna add anything to it that I don't know that was in David's mind. We're gonna go based on the work that's here, and all we're doing is cleaning up sentence structure."
Speaker 9and that's kind of the approach that I've taken. Is to not add anything or remove anything. We're just trying to make sure that, you know, because it was essentially a draft that he left us with, that it's just tidied up.
@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I- No, go for it. And then, we'll go to Silooper because he's also been waiting for a long time. So, go for it and then,
Speaker 17yeah. I, I was- I was going to, sorry, I was going to say, I, I read the first two volumes of Churchill's War, I found it absolutely fantastic. It was, a wonderful palate cleanser considering, the other Hegiraphies that, that other, mainstream authors have written about Winston Churchill. I mean, I read the, Andrew Roberts version, which, I don't know if you've seen the audiobook version of that's the one, that's the one with the
Speaker 9audiobook version of Churchill's War, using Churchill's So that kind of thing, or maybe we'll have to just use David's voice
Speaker 17or something. Yeah, probably. Well, thank you.
@joann_marieAll right, well, th-thank you so much for coming up. And guys, please repost this page, follow Ian and Truth and Erin Brooks that is here with us, and amazing people in the panel, and also Truth Teller has two, threads about Talmud Tommy, and I also posted in the purple pill a video of, Tommy Robinson saying how You guys should have more Indians in England. So,
@joann_marieno, we don't need more Indians.
Speaker 9Like, I used to love Indians, but they're everywhere now. Everywhere in hos-the hospitality industry, like every single person that works in my local pub is an Indian guy now.
@joann_marieYeah, they are the number one demographic that has more children in, in England. So, yeah. All right, C. Looper, welcome. How are you?
@cwlooperI'm fantastic, Miss Joanne. I just had a question for, Mr. Irving. so, I, I am curious to know about, Rupert Lowe. I don't know if I s-uh, pronounced his name right, but he's, been kinda going like, in on the,
@cwlooperRemigration, or however you say it, I probably mispronounced that, sorry about that. but it, it's super interesting to see, how the noticing is continuing and people realize that, you know, we have to get these people out of our countries, not just America, but Britain, Europe, all the above, because I feel like at the end of the day, it's all a part of the, Jewish supremacy and the- Coleridge planned, to,
@cwlooperinfiltrate and, and basically race mix, and just like basically, take away the white people. so i-it would be interesting to know what, your grandfather, Mr. David, would have thoughts on that and, if, if, if you could just sound back on that, that would be awesome. Thank you guys.
Speaker 9so which point do you want me to clarify first?
@cwlooperwhatever you want to first. Rupert Lowe would be first, 'cause that was the first question I asked, so you can delineate from there. Thank you.
Speaker 9Sorry, what did you want to lo-know about Rupert Lowe? I'm no expert on Rupert Lowe, but I can, I probably have an opinion.
@cwlooperWell, he's, he's been making a lot of posts. I put one down in the purple pill about, him wanting to basically, I would say, for lack of a better word, cleanse, Britain, from immigration. And, So, so maybe
Speaker 9I think he wants to get rid of, like, you know, for lack of a better like word choice, I'm gonna say the "Klaus Schwab" word, which is "cleanse the UK of the useless eaters," but I don't think he particularly has like a problem with, like The right kind of immigration. I mean, like a big problem, for example, is that like, if you wanna bring in your spouse into this country, it's like actually really difficult. I got married at the end of last year and, to a foreigner, and it's not like a simple process at all, but we have a two-tiered system where if you get off a boat- You basically don't pay any fees towards a visa, you're gifted somewhere to live, you're gifted a mobile phone, you're given an allowance, and yet when you do things the right way, when you, you know, just happen to get married to someone foreign, you're made to feel like your life is, is, i-is made difficult. And actually, I was surprised because Rupert Lowe did make a distinction. He actually came out and said, "Although we need to lower immigration in general,"
Speaker 9Although we need to, you know, probably get rid of a lot more people than we let in, we do have to realize that, like, you know, let's be sensible about this. There's always gonna be some immigration because people are always gonna mix to, to some degree. It's about making sure that you have the right immigration and not to
Speaker 9the, the, the complete lack of controlled immigration that we've had. For the last sort of like thirty years.
Speaker 9and part of that is looking at the intentions that people are coming in with. Do we believe the bullshit? I mean, not everyone can be labeled as a refugee, you know?
Speaker 17Well, if I may interject, really at the moment, Restore Britain is the only party in the United Kingdom who's saying that they want to remove illegal immigrants. I mean, it, it's hilarious that that is significant in and of itself, but every single mainstream party isn't talking about deporting illegals.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, and they're all owned by the same set of interests. It's really weird.
Speaker 9Yeah.
Speaker 17Well, they, well, they are, that's the problem. but then again, I don't know, like, Rupert Lowe probably has- How's it
Speaker 9worked out with, like, you know, Donald Trump's got into the US on the whole basis of, "We're gonna get rid of the illegals," but has
@malleusigit
Speaker 9Yeah, they've made a
@malleusigbig show of trying to remove them and, like, drummed up a lot of animosity towards the IC as a, as a result, but they haven't really gotten rid of a lot of people. Obama got rid of more people than Trump has so far.
Speaker 9I heard that, but like, and also like, it, it seems like they haven't, hasn't ICE, aren't a lot of the people that work for ICE weren't they like previous illegals that were like legalized? But how's that supposed to work?
@joann_marieAnd also they work for the IDF and they are also trained by the IDF.
Speaker 9Well,
Speaker 17well, the, the thing you have to remember is, is that the government benefit from mass immigration, you know, through, you know, they have high employment rates, the quantitative easing that, that, that takes place because of all the immigration Yeah, exactly. They don't have to, they don't have to pay immigrants the same fees as they do, the same wages as they do for natives. they benefit from it. So once you see it through that lens, I become very, I, I personally very skeptical of that. Look, it works in Dubai, it works in Dubai. You
Speaker 9can't help, but
Speaker 17in such a... Also,
@joann_mariein, in the border, they have a lot of human trafficking that a lot of those immigrants don't actually get in there. They literally just disappear and like either sex traffic And some stuff like that, it's horrific. It's around three hundred thousand, children a year.
@malleusigWhat, what really worries me-- Yeah, well, well, the thing is that-- I was gonna say, what worries me is what I'm already seeing in your country, which is you're having immigrants coming in and staffing your police services. So you're having people showing up to people's houses, British people's houses, as police officers. It's like women in hijabs coming over and asking to talk to you about your social media posts. That's what they're gonna try and do in America. It's enough to make a cat laugh. What's up? I find it more
Speaker 9annoying that it's signed by a foreigner in my car. Sorry what? I said, I find it very annoying that all the parking attendants that give tickets on all the cars are foreign born. So I'm like, why am I paying the fine to some guy who, who doesn't have any empathy with me because he just arrived off a boat yesterday, so he doesn't see me as exactly, and he's the one putting a fine in my ticket, and that's all because they need to raise more money because they're wasting all the money from local governors all going on people who also arrived yesterday. So you, you'd
Speaker 15feel better if a white guy gave out your parking
@malleusigticket And this is, this is a key part of, what they call anarcho tyranny, where essentially the government gets weaponized against the citizens.
Speaker 17Yeah. Yeah, well, I, I think it's all just a big humiliation ritual. I mean, Adam, I don't know if you've gone through the process of landing at somewhere like Stansted and then the immigration, or, the, the, the immigration officer that interviews you, he's wearing a turban and you can't understand a goddamn word he's saying. That happened to me fairly recently. I did. I
Speaker 9once, I once, once flew in on my Spanish passport because I didn't see why I couldn't. And he goes, "Well, where's your, where's your, are you coming here for, for visit or for work?" And I said, "Well, you know, I live and work here." He goes, "But you don't have indefinite leave to remain on your Spanish passport." And I said, "Well..." No, because I also have a British passport. Okay, where's your British passport? Why I flew on this one? Well, how do I know how you have permission to remain? And I was like, because if you fucking look on my website, you'll see that I've had a company in company house for the last fifteen years, so it's not freaking-- And I said, also you're the passport office, so surely your immigration or customs, you know whether or not that, like, I have a British passport. You can literally type it into your little computer, but they'll make life hard
Speaker 9So like, it's the same as, yep, whatever like, whichever like, the Home Secretary recently that we had, that was also like, you know, basically not from here, and you just go, "Okay, so we've ended up in a topsy turvy world where the people who make the rules about entry and exit aren't even from here."
Speaker 17Yep, it's Alice in Wonderland, it really is.
Speaker 13Or 1984.
@malleusigIt's actually worse than 1984 if you really look at it. But yeah, yeah.
@cwlooperAll right. And, and, and, and what about the concentration camps, or for lack of a better word, these, new things that the Pentagon is funding? Sorry, Sheila, real quick. And, and they're, and they're deporting illegals. You were referring to- Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go
Speaker 15ahead. Suella Braverman, who's married to a Jew, by the way, she was the Home Secretary.
Speaker 9Oh, yes, that one. That was the one. And she's the other one that just defected to- To reform, I think. So it's just a new Tory party but under a different name.
Speaker 17It makes you want to vomit up everything you've ever eaten.
Speaker 9It does, and it's just, I don't know, like, it's just everything is so fake.
@joann_marieAlright, should we go to the next hand? Cashew Drifter. Steve
Speaker 15Looper is finishing his point.
@joann_marieOh, sorry, go for it, Leber, and then, we'll go to Cashel with the director.
@cwlooperYeah, I, I was just, stating the fact that in America, the Pentagon is, funding, a bunch of, massive camps. who are these camps for? I have receipts. I know. Yeah, I have receipts. It's gonna be for us. It's gonna be for all Americans who live here, who are like doing the Thank you. Like, dude, I will not go out like that. Like, I will,
@cwlooperI will die on my feet rather than bend on my knees for these, subversive, individual people who, typically control, what, all of the media, pharmaceutical, the banking system, all of the above. Said, I will not go out like that. And here they are, Donald Trump. The Commander in Chief, who like basically, what, he, he, he basically,
@cwlooperhis whole platform for running as the President of the United States was, ICE, deportation, all of this, all of that. But guess what? His name is mentioned more times in the Epstein files than most anyone else. So, yeah, so, okay, so- Yeah, no, we're not with this anymore. Like, America people, like, okay, I say this, learn tactical combat casualty care, TCC, and buy ammo, buy weapons, and learn how to farm, and, and that's how we will win. That's the solution. That's the only solution. And stand up for your rights. And, and we will be okay. And homeschool your kids, by God. Like, look, take the time Time out, homeschool your kids. You don't need your kids in a subversive educational system teaching them, letting them have, transgender people read books to you or to your kids.
@cwlooperTh-this is all like just, it absolutely, it, it, it, it goes down with, Yuri Bezmenov, which this is questionable because he is a KGB defector, but it goes down with the demoralization and, the whole, four factors of, being subverted and like creating a crisis and all these said above. Thank you guys. And I just
Ian Malcolmwanted to, of course, make the clarification, it's not an advocacy for violence, I know that that's in self-protection and preservation when you suggested things about weaponry and all that other kind of stuff. Just gonna throw that out there, on behalf of the space, and everybody's opinions are, of course, their own. Just wanna be very specific about that, but,
Ian MalcolmExcuse me. With that being said, I just wanted to go back to, Adam and see if he's got any additional kind of thoughts, questions, comments, and, and, just in interest of time, given the time zone, just see if there's any kind of final subjects you wanted to touch upon.
Speaker 9not really. I think I'm gonna have to go away soon 'cause I get, finally get to get some sleep.
Speaker 9but what was I gonna mention before leaving? I actually wanted to know whether anybody listening here has any clue what the absolute truth of the whole Epstein thing is about. Like, has anyone got to the bottom of it or what's our best guess on what was going on other than what's obvious?
Speaker 13If I may. Oh, yeah. That's a fun point. I, I think, I would say this. It's obvious. I think that it's, that this obviousity has become so apparent that we don't need to go any further. What is it that they could possibly-- only, only child molesters protect child molesters. There's something bigger afoot here, and it's clearly that Epstein was working with Mossad. And I tell people even that do great investigative work, like Diligent Denison about this, that it's bigger than even those people imagine. Because think about this The hegemonic power that rules over us, that immiserates the entire, entire Western, Western civilization, that invades and fights, that divides and conquers, again, we're talking about Jewish supremacy, that whole power structure would come collapsing down if we all agreed that, yes, this foreign power Is actually running a blackmail operation that includes the molestation of children in order to extort American politicians and power brokers to bomb other children in a faraway country. Once we all agreed on that, and by the way, they are rapidly losing any sort of credulity whatsoever for the, for the suckers that still think that it exists, then once we all agree on that, then it is over for them. How can they still get our politicians to make this humiliation ritual to their country? How? How can they still get us to fund their wars, which of course will never end? How can they get us to censor our entire population to hide the fact, and of course The great David Irving knows that the censors, without exception, are always on the wrong side of history. How can they continue to do all this once we realize that, yes, a foreign government is running a blackmail operation against our politicians and buying all of them, and it all needs to be tossed out? Take the bathwater with it, if you want. I think that's it, that's where it goes. If we admitted to that, then I don't think that it would be a problem to do everything else. I think the FBI would have no problem Sweating these people out in the rooms and getting them for the crime of actual molesting children or human trafficking. But what's at play here? Is it a foreign country is running a blackmail operation? Come on, that's it. Do you see it another way?
Speaker 9No, that seems pretty accurate to me. My problem is, why do we have so many traitors who obviously knew what was going on but were very happy to participate, and they're in prime positions within our governments? So, you know, you can try and run a blackmail operation, but like, it's disgusting if you're actually, you know, a person, a citizen of a country, and you're in a position of leadership, and you decide to sell out in that way, and even worse than the way that they were doing it.
Speaker 17The problem is all of these people are pre-screened, like they, they, none of them are moral people, and you go through a, a series of selection processes right from the, from the moment you graduate university, from, the, the second you become a manager, a middle manager, cabinet minister, executive cabinet minister, all of these people, they are pre-screened, they have no morals. So it's not a matter of selling out, they sold out a long time, a long time ago. All these people are perverts and perverts. I think,
Speaker 9I also think what If you wanna molest a child, then, you know, the traditional career is you become a teacher. But if you really fucking hate humanity, then what you do is you go into politics and make sure that you get to the top. You know, it takes a certain amount of determination, and probably just most people don't have the kind of thing that it takes, either for like the right motivations or the wrong ones. But like, you know, there's, there's, there's a sizable pop-percentage of the population who just really probably hates humanity so much that they really wanna go and like actually- Take people down, and they'll take normal people down, they'll like lie to your face, and they'll, they'll tell you one thing, but secretly they're running these kind of operations.
@malleusigEven if you, even if you don't assume that they're all pedophiles to start with, imagine being, an upcoming politician, and you're given this deal, right? And you're told simultaneously with, "We're gonna let you, we're gonna let you become, you know, the new JFK or whatever." All you have to do is rape this child on camera, right? So you're not only given, you're not only given the incentive, you're not only given the carrot, the stick is there because if you don't do it, because now you know about how this exists, right? If you don't do it, now we're gonna kill you and your entire family, right? Which is apparently what the deal that Bernie Sanders was given, according to rumors. Right. So there is this inevitability that's presented with it, is that this is the way it's been done forever, and we don't tell anybody, but this is the way anything gets done in Washington. And so-
@malleusigthe only thing, the only thing that would have kept it in check would have been, everyone finding out about it, which thank God is happening now, right? But until that happened, they, they literally had no reason to stop it. They had no reason to publicly-
Speaker 9I'd like, like to say publicly just in case it wasn't like a weird coincidence that I was out yesterday after work and someone came and struck a conversation with me, and then somehow- Casually came across all of this subject, started asking my opinions, and I'm open about it. I didn't think that they knew who I was or anything.
Speaker 9Seems like maybe they didn't know. And then they were saying, "Well, what do you care about what happened with Jeffrey Epstein? Because this has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years." And I was thinking... What a weird thing for someone to say. What an odd thing for someone to say. I was like, I said, "Well, a, you know, I said there's two things going on here. One is just creepy old man sleeping with a twenty-one-year-old, you know, creepy, but at the end of the day, legal, you know, go do you, do, do it private." And another thing is that they conflated this with the underage sex with the possibly worse things that were happening in, in those places at that time. And, and Yeah, like maybe people suspected it before, but we know for certain now, so it's like, what are we gonna do about it? You know?
@malleusigwell, that's the real question, you know, what are we gonna do about it? Because now you have people that are saying, "Hey, we need to go get rifles and pitchforks, yada, yada, yada." But that's not the answer, because all that's gonna do is excuse further draconian lockdowns on the population, because they can like, look at all these, they can, they're definitely That I want to destroy the country, yada, yada, yada. And so you can't do that. But the, the good news is that's not even effective anyway, so it's not. The, the most effective thing is to get everyone on board with it and to know that it happens, because when everyone knows it happens, then it no longer works as a recruiting tool, right?
Speaker 9Yeah, you're right, actually. Because we'll notice it earlier.
@malleusigYeah, it only works if it's kept secret, so it no longer functions.
Speaker 9Will they find something else there as a replacement for child abuse? I don't see what, but the
Ian Malcolminteresting thing there, Rabbi, and I'd be curious for your thoughts on this one, right? Sure. to your point, once the blackmail ring is public knowledge and everyone is discussing it and everyone condemns it and everyone says no more of this, just like with the, what I believe to be the Jewish supremacist system of left-right paradigm, which is all fake, they control all of it, right? Once you- Decide, I'm no longer going to pay attention to the Democrat, Republican argument 'cause I recognize they both serve the same master. The ruse is over and nothing works any longer. They can't keep you within the system. It's like what David was saying earlier about the Truman Show, right? Once you know it's all fake, none of it matters anymore. You're Neo in the Matrix.
Speaker 9Like, are we still supposed to pay our taxes? You know, because we're still gonna get threatened, like, okay, fine, you can tax us up, revolt, for example, go,
@malleusigRight now, because the con- the control mechanism is going away, right? So they need, they need another huge disaster to get everyone focused on that so that they can reset the system after the war's over.
Speaker 9With- Well, just make a disaster that's so big that everybody knows what they're doing and it doesn't matter 'cause everyone's just too busy getting through that disaster.
@malleusigExactly, exactly. And then, but even that, you know, 'cause I see a lot of the comments on Twitter is like, "Well, we know he's starting it because..." Because he's in the files raping children, right? And so if you start World War III, and then people know why you started it, it's not like World War II where it, it wasn't clear to everyone that World War II was us being dragged in by the Jewish population of Europe so that they could have Israel, right? It wasn't that, we didn't realize that. Or World War II, World War One anyway. But like everyone is waking up to it now, right? And that's, that's kind of the key thing.
@malleusigso yeah. So
Speaker 9if this is what they wanted for last time, then what's the inkling of what they want for next time? I guess that's what we have to find out. Yeah, I would say,
Speaker 13I would say the di-- I would say the difference that, and the, and Rabbi, I think you're kinda making this point. The difference is is when we connected one line with another. You know, there's this funny joke that Joe Rogan makes where he says, "Before COVID, I thought vaccines were fine, and after COVID, now I'm not sure
Speaker 13You know, yeah. And when we-- And when we, when we realize, oh, wait, and by the way, I love the fact that you, you use the phrase anarcho tyranny. I, I wish more people would understand that. You know, if you don't believe in sort of voluntarism, you actually have the worst version of it now. Because no paper trail shows that these people are the owners of our governments. That if, that if we have a family tree like a, like a corporate family tree of, let's say, Walmart or Apple, but if we have a family tree of political states, it would all lead up right above the intelligence and financial industrial complexes, it would lead to a group of Jewish supremacists, and they are controlling everything, and it doesn't look so clever once we realize, gosh, if you own all the financial institutions and you have all the money It's pretty easy if you copiously allow that to flow in the direction of your ignominy, you're going to accomplish whatever you're going to try to accomplish, until we all wake up to the absolute, absolute web of lies. So now, I think it's, I think we're in a different place. And this is exciting, by the way. You know, the awakening isn't that, oh, COVID was bullshit. The awakening isn't that any individ- when each of these things in their individuation, that's not the awakening. The awakening is realizing they're all tied together Together, and there's a small group of people at a specific time that deign to reduce us all to servitude and extract our wealth, and will lie to us, have outgroup psychopathy, will do anything and say anything in order to keep us there under their thumb. I mean, isn't that fair to say? And
@malleusighere's the, but here's the scary, here's the scariest thought that I've had all day, though, David, and that is the awakening that we're undergoing right now. Was it the same awakening the Germans went through in like 1933, right? German people woke up to the same thing, and what did they do to them? Right? World Jewry, dis-detachment from Germany, went and found a new champion, the United States, and weaponized them against Germany and killed how many millions of Germans to get rid of anyone that had caught on to their tricks, right? So what are they gonna try and do to us? I mean, I still see on social media- I see these Jews posting videos, the TikTok videos, saying, "Uh, awful things happen to countries that turn on their Jews." And they always frame it with this kind of tongue-in-cheek, gangster-like, you know, vagueness. "Awful things happen to people that turn on their Jews." I'm not saying it's a nice country you got here. It'd be a shame if you didn't- It's like the homeless guy as you walk away from your parallel-parked vehicle, he's like,
Ian Malcolm"Oh, a lot of cars around here, Yeah. They get keyed. By the way, do you have any spare change?
@malleusigExactly, exactly. And so, who are they gonna get to-- Are they gonna throw China at us? Russia? You know, who are they gonna get to attack the United States if we turn-- I mean, if we wake up? And that's, that's the scary thing that, that point, kind of like--
Speaker 13But you still have to, but, but you, in order to amass people and extract their wealth at this level, you have to make them thank you. See, that's the problem. This You know, I keep telling people the slavery is inside of you. You know, the great philosopher Fichte said that. He said, "You're the ones who actually think these people have a right to tell you anything, have-- that you legitimize them." And so, re-- these were the demimondes of royalty back then. So really, it's, it's hard to imagine how, after the awakening, I believe they could ameliorate But I compare it to, I compare it to the last time that we had a Pope Leo, which was in the Reformation. Yes, they had a Counter Reformation, yes, they tortured people, yes, they did all sorts of horrible things to people, but we have Protestants still today, don't we? Well, we are the new Protestants, and we're Protestants, we are absolute heretics. Euphoria is what kills these people. We don't have to have some countervailing belief system. We don't even have to have a conspiracy. We have to just have, say, we don't wanna be emasculated by you. We don't believe in your moral stance, the moral legitimacy. We don't believe in anything that you're doing. We know that it's very insincere. We know that it's very, very cynical. So I, I don't see-- I do agree that they could do horrible things, and I do see the threat. I think that threat with the Sanderson option and everything else, I just don't see how such a small group of people can have dominion over everyone else, such an infinitesimally small group of people, if we stop believing in their right to emasculate us. What do you think about that? You're
@malleusig100% right. And that's the key, is stopping believing that they have a right to tell us what sells anything, right? Because part of the Is the blood libel they tell, they say against us, and this is, and I have to thank Canary Mine for like making me realize that this was actually the right term for this. Like the Holocaust, talking about the pogroms, talking about all the horrible things that apparently Europeans did to them, is the actual blood libel, and it's being used to talk us into accepting their rule over us.
Ian MalcolmNo, well,
Speaker 17to quote Frederick Engels, "The, the only thing we have to lose is our chains."
Ian Malcolmvery well stated. And, and, and speaking of, no, no, I was gonna say, speaking of chains and make a, a ball and chain comment there. given that we've got Jan up here on the space, but, given that I don't have that familiarity with her, it would have felt, strange to do so. Joanne, that's one I would have thrown in
Ian MalcolmFor, for Mr. Adam Irving, and, and then we'll go down to American Caesar for a final question.
Speaker 18Well, certainly, everything you guys have been talking about are part of the layers of how they are able to manipulate countries and, and systems and institutions. But I, I see a deeper theme in Jeffrey Epstein's emails of transhumanism, so eugenics and designer babies, embryo manipulation, longevity research, and I think at the heart of it,
Speaker 18I don't know if it's just for them or if it's, they're going to also use it on us. I mean, when I looked at- And the thing is, is this, you know, he's also interested in the whole trans movement, and trans movement, like that is now in the universities and they promote it in terms of academic arguments which are Not good.
Speaker 18originally started with pedophilia and trying to make arguments for pedophiles to gain human rights, and so it all kinda circles back to that to pedophilia, and there he is also involved in pedophilia. So I think it's strongly linked to transhumanism, and of course, depopulation. So they want to depopulate a certain amount, the Christians for sure, within your framework that you've been discussing, the Christians for sure, using the Muslims and then merging everyone together. And then some sort of experiments on us that will,
Speaker 18make us like a serf, slavery? And so I think, like that's sort of what I picture as I start to listen to what you guys were talking about in terms of how they're moving money, how they're controlling governments and people and, and being able to do this, but in the background, they're doing like working with universities, talking with professors, funding professors for all of this research. So I just find that really, really interesting and wondering.
Speaker 18if you guys have any insights of what you think might be the long-term pursuit of the transhumanism angle, thanks.
Ian MalcolmYeah, and, Adam, I'm gonna be curious for your thoughts, and, and David, Rabbi, I mean, we got so many wonderful minds up here. Truth, I'm not sure if, if you'd wanna jump in, but, in a nutshell, Jim, what I'm convinced is that this group of people at the very top, they essentially view themselves as gods in a sense, and that there is this idea of the Is just below, beneath, and here to essentially serve them, right? It, it, it's a serf class. It is cattle in the field. And if you think about it, the, the, the ultimate, conclusion of that and of transhumanism is digitizing people to the point that they no longer view themselves as part of either a nuclear family, as part of a collective, as part of a gene pool, certainly as part of a nation and a race. and, and so to do that, you've got to distill Any and everything that would make you part of a family or a bloodline
Ian Malcolmand to get there, that requires essentially that you first blend up the genders so that that doesn't really have any meaning, then you blend up the family to the point that that doesn't really have anything, and then, like you were saying around the idea of designer babies, the next logical step, in my opinion anyway, is to get to the point where having a child isn't even an, an extension of your family. It is merely you going and acquiring another iPod or, you know, iPhone, right? It is, it is your designer baby. Just go up to the vending machine and, boop, out comes your, your little kid that you're allowed to be part of or have, as essentially just another piece of materialism because you've made it, right? It's your status symbol now, this little, this little thing that you have to care for, not, again, 'cause it's part of your family, but because you want it. It's just another object, another widget.
Ian MalcolmIs going, and at the end of it, you know, if you, if you envision that that's the outcome, what you end up with is the, the lord class, the god class, which I believe is what these psychopathic Jews at the very top. And I know that that sounds offensive, but if you look at, you know, who was behind Epstein? Well, we've got emails that he was working with, and on behalf of the hundred and sixty billion dollars that was just the amount of the Rothschilds' money that Epstein was managing. I mean, we have that
Ian MalcolmRight? Epstein was moving around the Rothschilds' money, and in particular, extended it to of all people, Peter Thiel, who's the right-hand man of JD Vance, and basically funded his entire, rise to prominence. That's the same Peter Thiel that owns Palantir and, Alex Karp being a Jew at the top of that, right? And, and, and so that's where I think all of this goes. And what's very weird is when you really look at the Talmud and this idea of the seven genders and all this stuff, they're- Their ultimate conclusion isn't just them lording over everyone, but them also mixing up their own genders, it seems, where man becomes woman, becomes man, they are all one and the same in this really weird,
Ian Malcolmi, i, i guess personification that you would think of as, as transgenderism, right? That's even essentially the, the god that you could say that they supposedly revere, right? The Baphomet. and, and so that's what it feels like this whole transhumanism thing is. It's, it's reducing the genetic code down to the point where human beings are no longer, again, they're no longer a family, they're no longer a race, they're basically robots with blood, and, and you essentially merge them with the robots literally in the AI with, with Elon Musk's brain chips. And so I know that all sounds incredibly dystopian, and I'm not sure if, if David or Rabbi can maybe, or, or Truth Teller can bring this back down to reality, but that's, that's where it feels like this is all inevitably going, and we Where literally they've made movie after movie after movie basically demonstrating precisely this, as if it's almost predictive programming, which some would say is all part of the, the, the plan that they have to, you know, essentially show you where they're going and then get your acceptance to do it, get you excited about it, and you see all the people applauding Elon Musk and the brain chip, and then they're like, "All right, you guys have, you've given us the green light, now we're gonna force it on to you, and if you oppose it, I guess you're an
Ian Malcolmlet's say their,
Speaker 19their whole push, their whole push in the financial system to tokenize everything, every tree, every blade of grass. There's only one thing left after that, and that's the human being. I, I couldn't agree more. I think also that,
@joann_mariethat they have like a new thing called fairians that are kind of like the furries, it's kind of like people who believe they are animals, and I think that's also part of this insane transhumanism. Bullshit, it's, it's insane. I
Speaker 20am an animal. But
@joann_mariethen, don't you think, and also, this whole bad for med thing, like they actually believe that they are like foxes and, I don't know, like weird animals, it's crazy. That's
@malleusigpart, that's part of this whole infantilism thing, so it's like, even the trans things has this definite flavor of infant, infantilism, within it, it's this regression into a psychological state of childhood, almost where people are afraid to remain full adults, like Projection of, of adulthood essentially, and getting the state to, getting the state and society to indulge people in that is, is a definite part of this. The animal thing is right with that, because animalism is basically a, a more infantile, less, it's more primitive state of being. But- But I don't think
@joann_mariethey are like, I don't think they, they think that they are pretending. I think they genuinely believe this. No, I know. I've never met one. I've just seen like
@malleusigthe- No, I know, John, I'm agreeing with you But the psychol-- the motivation psychologically is to reject mature adulthood and regress into the safety of a, a more primitive mindset. And the reason elites like this is because it's way easier to control those people. But I, I was gonna say, this is when I, this is when I have to, I have to, plug, one of probably the most-- what I think is the most important movie people watch, apart from They Live, which is T-
@malleusigX1138, which was George Lucas' What's that? Oh, yeah. George Lucas' I think it's first film before Star Wars, before American Graffiti even. and it, it basically details a dystopian future where everyone is Everyone is kept lobotomized chemically, because it helps them focus doing this like super, super intense, kind of work at nuclear reactors or something, where if you make any mistake, you drop something, everything blows up, right?
@malleusigsexual reproduction, reproduction is outlawed completely. the character in the film engages in, in sex with one of the other characters after he goes off his meds, and he gets arrested for it, and there's this huge debate Like the Senate about it being a religious issue and shit like that, it's absolutely crazy, and I recommend everyone, if you haven't watched THX one one three eight,
@malleusiggo down to your-- go down to Netflix, whatever, find it and watch it. it's, it's- it's really scary how similar, how it, it turns out to what's happening now, yeah.
Speaker 19I just wanted to add one thing about the trans that I found, I've been researching and find quite interesting is that sixty per-- sixty-five percent to sixty-six percent of trans,
Speaker 19experiments, that's what they are, experiments being done are on white Young girls and young boys, ten to, ten to fourteen, sixty-five percent, and it's increased like four thousand percent in the last, I think it's ten years or something. So, but I, this statistic, I really- What do you think that is, Jeff?
Speaker 19Well, I, I'm not gonna say yet. I'll come back to it. They don't wanna say that they wanna destroy the white bloodline. Because
Speaker 21they wanna render- That is really
Speaker 19kinda interesting. Trans people are rendered infertile.
Speaker 21Hey, Jan, I don't think you- For a period
Speaker 19of time.
Speaker 21Holy shit. For a period
Speaker 19of
Speaker 21time. You'd be quiet for a second if you're not gonna answer the question. It's quite simple. It's 'cause they wanna destroy their bloodline, render them infertile so they can't reproduce anymore, all part of destroying the
Speaker 21I, I did just wanna
Ian Malcolmgive Jan some credit 'cause, 'cause she's come, come a very long way, i-i-in these spaces. So just always wanna hat tip when people are, are willing to, to reevaluate and reconsider. But, but no, truth, you're exactly right on that one, by the way.
Speaker 19Well, they've been experimenting on women for a long time, they did for, in Black women in the US, and it seems to be now- Wait a second,
Speaker 20now, it's, you know, it started with the Frankfurt School in Germany, right? So it was Jewish supremacists in Germany who started this a hundred and one hundred and two years ago, and that playbook has been exactly the same ever since, hasn't deviated one bit, one iota.
Speaker 19If I could finish, I was talking about the US, where there are many experiments done removing reproductive systems. Okay, but we're
Speaker 20talking about the same people with the same playbook, right? Yeah, I think David, David,
Speaker 19David,
@malleusigDavid, let her talk. She's on our side.
Speaker 19He does this every time. He does the same thing.
Speaker 20No, what are you talking about? I don't do this shit. I don't even know you. We don't know.
Speaker 19So the, they removed the reproductive systems of Black women in the '60s and '70s. And they didn't tell them, they called it something, another form of operation, and they didn't tell them. So they were, it's like they do these experiments, like with COVID and all the things. They do this little experiment and then they expand it to what they really want. And your truth, you're absolutely right, but I'm still, putting stuff together, so I'd like to tell it my way.
Speaker 21There's only one way to tell it, you know? Your truth might, no, there's one truth, that's it. And look, the other part you forget about is who pushes abortion and contraceptives to get reduced birth rates.
Speaker 22That's the biggest sexual experiment that's been going on.
Speaker 21Yeah. Well, and they've, done over a hundred million of these abortions since the 1960s, once again. So they get people to kill their own babies before they're born as part of a sacrifice to Bo- I mean, I mean, ultimately.
Speaker 22You know, o-ultimately, all these technocrats, they are sort of utopian figures, really, and it's almost sort of post-Soviet, like they're, they're interested in engineering a new man, the idea that man can be changed, that man can be perfected. Jan, Jan, sorry, I, I mispronounced your name. You know, if you're a Christian, we all know that if you, if you subscribe to the tenets of Jesus Christ, we know that man is flawed, that he's born in sin, and these
Speaker 22I think they are righteous and intelligent enough to have the permission to do so, to fuck around with things that are, you know, endemic to us as human beings, and it also happens to be that the majority of these people happen to have an ethnic religious, supremacy over the rest of us, well, that's what they think, at least anyway, but the real, crux of the, the-- Well, when it comes down, when the rubber meets the road, the problem with all utopian visions is that you basically have to cross a sea of blood to get there. The catch is, is that you never arrive, you never arrive, and unfortunately that's might what, what, that, that is might what happened to the White
@malleusigRose. I feel like utopia is always
Speaker 22one
@malleusigfiring squad away, isn't it?
Speaker 19I feel like what I'm seeing, and again, I'm just putting out an idea, that it's kind of a revenge thing in a way, To bring Muslims and Christians together so that they're like, because if you watch enough videos of the rabbis talking, they want Christianity to be destroyed, and that's-- they say it's to bring in their political messiah, but It also seems like a revenge thing. They make claims about all the things that they suffered over the years, and they really blame it on,
Speaker 19you know, Edom, which is the West Christianity. So I'm wondering if there's a, a revenge thing going on right now. Oh,
@malleusigoh, there's definitely revenge. I think the catch is, you completely hit the nail. The catch is that it's a false revenge because they make up shit about us and then they claim revenge on that.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and very, very solid question, Jan. And, and again, I, I, I, in all sincerity, I always appreciate people that are, are, are willing to come in and, and evaluate, reevaluate, and consider, and reconsider, and, and always provide a, a, a different lens. I, I think it's extremely helpful. And for what it's worth, there, you know, obviously I have a, a bias, and I see the world very, similarly to, to my brother from another mother, Mr. Truth Teller. You know, not, not maybe, I don't wanna say the term evolve, 'cause that implies there's, there's a right or a wrong or a good or a better, but that, that aren't maybe as, as far along what we think of as, as the, the vision that we perhaps believe is, is accurate in what's going on. And so I always, I really appreciate other people bringing different perspectives, different lenses. so I wanna thank you for, for the question. Well, thank
Speaker 19you for letting me speak. And, you know, it's taken me DM from the IDF. And so it scared me a little bit, and, but then I got really angry, and then I started writing a lot, and then I got suppressed and throttled. So now I'm coming to more spaces, but it, it has taken me some time to, to be able to speak up, I guess, 'cause- They, they do say things to certain people who are-- I tend to take a more Christian stance of proving that what they're saying about the Bible and America is wrong, like I did today when Mark Levin said that it's Judeo-Christian I'm the creation of America, and I wrote this long, post proving him wrong.
Speaker 19But, but again, there are consequences, so I'm just, I'm gonna, you know, I'm doing it anyways, but, I also want to,
Speaker 19I guess be careful too about what I say, so that it is the truth.
@malleusigYeah, and look, there's,
Ian Malcolmthere's-- Oh, go for it, Rabbi.
@malleusigJust gonna, and no one can fault you for being precise in your words. Definitely, especially if you're getting threats from the IDF of all things.
Ian MalcolmAnd, and, that's, that's the wild piece. It brings us full circle back to, Mr. David Irving, who, endured decades of this and, as was suggested by his daughter, had his, his, factory where they were printing his books burned and a whole bunch of other, attacks on his persona, his property, his home, merely for discussing the truth, and as we heard throughout the space did so with a laser focus on history, without any animosity or animus towards a specific group of people based on genetics or anything along those lines, rather just saying, "Hey, I think the history books are lying, and I think I can prove it." and so it's a very bizarre set of patterns. But with that being said, let's go to American Caesar for a final question for Mr. Adam Irving, the grandson of, of David, and then we'll come back up to Adam for some final words here.
Speaker 23Yeah, I was just gonna say, are you familiar with the, population data that shows that there's between four hundred and seventy and seven hundred million disenfranchised males? Using the anthropological, definition of disenfranchisement, i.e., males between the ages of eighteen and forty-five with zero, I repeat, zero potential mate options because of, geographic isolation and it being a byproduct of certain cultural practices over a long period of time?
Speaker 22I didn't-
Speaker 22does that seriously have to be the last question?
Speaker 23well, look, the paper, I, I posted the megaupload link for five papers, I wrote them, I'd love to be wrong, you can check those out.
Ian MalcolmWell, alright. So, to the statement that was made there by somebody saying this shouldn't be the last question, I-- and it looks like the individual, the moment I took the mic, he ran out of the room. Is that something you're doing, like
Speaker 24some incel movement thing?
Ian MalcolmIt seems like, and, and look, if, if you want to, and, and look, my DMs are always wide open. If you want to discuss on a different space, the difficulty of, of dating pools, I am happy to field that conversation Sedanety is rife with problems, and, I think Jan and everybody else up here, it's definitely a problem.
Speaker 24It's a huge problem, of course, that we're, like, well, we've ended up in a world where, like, women are, are more highly educated and make more money than men, and yet women are always seeking someone who's a provider, so it doesn't complete mismatched up. But yeah, it's a completely different subject.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's a, it's a total mismatch and, and for what it's worth You know, you guys were talking about mass migration earlier. they're basically weaponizing anything and everything. They're weaponizing technology, mass migration, outsourcing, anything and everything to diminish the ability for your average middle class, traditional Western Christian, largely,
Ian Malcolmonce largely white, individuals to have a middle class lifestyle. And, and everybody is essentially being de-racinated, from a cultural perspective, an economic perspective, religious perspective, as they flood any and every neighborhood So that you don't even have, what feels like a traditional community, right? This is all designed to basically terraform the first world into the second world while simultaneously exporting all the poverty and the violence from the third world to the first world so that the third worlds can be elevated to second worlds. And curiously, when you then look at the entire globe, what you recognize is that is the normalizing of the second world status for anybody and everybody, which is precisely What, Karl Marx wrote about as a necessity to beget essentially global communism. That was in the Communist Manifesto. That was a prerequisite to it. That was what, Engels and Marx wrote back and forth. It was a requirement. the most curious piece about that is Engels, in one of his letters, suggested that one of the best ways to get there would be a revolutionary holocaust against certain cultures and communities that might object to that reality, which I think you could suggest, might have in fact been the COVID bioweapon. Right, a way to get rid of massive swaths of the first world, those that were educated, and if you look at where the vaccines were distributed and what might have been in them, you notice that there's similarly, different types of either combinations of the ingredients, and in many cases, that they weren't sent off to certain parts of the world at all. What a, what a weird perspective piece of that equation. but I say that as a way to round out this whole conversation, because what we find ourselves in, Adam, is this world where, like you were saying
Ian MalcolmAlways lying. And while I, I feel like we are in Orwell's 1984, to, Rabbi's comment earlier, it's somehow even worse, because it's not just that we're being controlled and lorded over and lied to, but we're being done, all those things while simultaneously gaslit to suggest that we're the vile criminals if we dare even note what's happening. Right? It's like Winston, who sat around while the telescreen was demanding that the chocolate rations in nineteen eighty four, everyone was getting more chocolate, that's what they told him, and everybody cheered, and yet he thought to himself, "Well, just yesterday you said that they had all gone down. That doesn't make any sense, right?" And he knew that he would be beaten, he'd be hit, he'd be harassed, until he said that the guy was lifting one hand and, demonstrating six fingers. Right? That's essentially the world that we live in.
Ian MalcolmAnd, I feel like your grandfather was a historic individual. He's a monumental man and of massive consequence, and in many regards, is probably responsible for a whole lot of the people that are in this room right now for pursuing the paths, the intellectualism, and the history that he helped to uncover. And so I just wanna thank you for continuing that legacy. I wanna thank him for everything that he did. And with that, Adam, just turn it over to you for any kind of final remarks on how people can support, they can assist. And they can do their part to, share in, in the legacy of your wonderful grandfather and everything left, as part of his extended life here.
Speaker 24Well, thank you so much for those kind words. It, it's, it's really nice to hear that and, It kind of gives, gives me some more motivation to continue with this whole thing and, yeah, ways that you can support us, obviously apart from buying our books, you know, just spread the word and share the clips of David speaking, come up with your own clips of David, look into his research, see where we can continue on from there. but yeah, thank you so much for having me on. It's been, it's been much longer than I expected, but it's been really fun. and I quite liked the format, so thank you very much to you and your co-hosts and, and to everybody else who wrote in with questions. And, yeah, it doesn't have to stop here. Send me a DM if there, if there's anything that I can answer that I haven't answered that you wanna answer to a question to. And, sorry that I'm not David, but like, I've tried my best and, to, but yeah, that's where, you know, our future endeavors are gonna kick in where we can question the research,
Speaker 24You know, from his perspective with our Winston tool when it's, when it's up and running.
Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, Adam, we, we would love, not only to, to host a space celebrating the release of, of your next work, when that does conclude prospectively early next year, it sounds like, but also whenever Winston comes online, would love, to host a space, to have you come back in, and, and to run that through its paces, right? Prospectively, if it is- It would be great
Speaker 24if one day we could do a, a Spaces with Winston, if we can get him to talk.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. Well, that's, that's the thing, if it's an LLM that, that does offer those audio aspects, I'm sure we could plug that in and, would, would be wonderful to, to, to feel the presence, of, of, of David Irving in this space. but in many ways, for what it's worth, I feel like we do, right? He is, he is here, he is with us, he And, as David was suggesting earlier, David Nietzsche down there, I mean, we are winning, and I, I, I feel like the, the idea of, of, of that, that truth that can be whispered and it can break through the empire of lies, I, I, I feel like that is happening every single day. More people are recognizing what's going on. They realize that Trump has sold them out, that his predecessor was part of the same set of elites, that they're all blackmailed by the, you know, whos, and once the world awakens
Ian MalcolmThe curtain and the wizard no longer can run the same games, and so that is the most encouraging piece about it, is that your grandfather's legacy, his work, his efforts, they laid the groundwork for what we are seeing right now and, and the springboard to prospectively a far better tomorrow. And, in that regard, you know, we're, we're prospectively only able to walk in those footsteps because he heroically laid those out over the last couple decades. So again, I just wanna thank you for being here. certainly never feel in any way,
Ian MalcolmAt all, a shame that you're not him, right? But you are doing your part to con-continue that legacy, and, and, and for that I'm very grateful, I'm very humbled by yourself, by everybody else that was part of this panel. And, I don't normally do this, but, but Mr. Nechay, since we do have you in here, and we are, blessed to have Mr. Adam, with us as well, David, do you wanna offer any final words that you would take away or that you feel might
Ian MalcolmSo much for this community over the last couple decades.
Speaker 20I do, and I'm such a fan of not only great historians, but David Irving. I wanna encourage everybody else. This person is David Irving Has just a wonderful discipline and erudition, one of the greatest historians of the past two hundred years, I will say this. And so please, please go out and buy his work, you know, there's no substitute for actually sitting down and reading a book. I agree with Bill Bennett, it's quiet time with the soul, and you would be remiss if you didn't at least read one thing by David Irving. So I just wanted to leave it at that. I really do believe that the, the cliche about history repeating itself, if we, if we forget it, applies here. And, and my friend, the pleasure was all ours. Thank you so much for coming in this space. I really, when I saw this, I was, I was felt real bad that I showed up late, so I really enjoyed talking with you, listening to you. I also feel that you, like your grandfather, have solicitude for humans in general, and I do believe that we're not-- nobody wants vengeance, we just want emancipation, and I feel like the great historians, like your grandfather, have done a lot to help us toward that end.
Ian MalcolmThank you very much. Absolutely, and with those wonderful parting words, I want to thank, of course, the incomparable Mr. Truth Teller, Ms. Joanne, so many of the speakers that came up here, David, Rabbi, Jan, Frank especially. A massive amount of love to you, sir. I know you've been in this movement for a long time to be able to have your stories of your time with David, specifically, kind of spreading these truths and, and, and bringing them to the masses here in the United States. that That was just wonderful. And, of course, Mr. Adam, thank you so much for being here, for, for carrying on this legacy of this incomparable individual, whose blood runs through your veins each and every day, and whose truths are helping to, to kind of lighten the world in front of us. And so I just wanna thank everybody, thank all those who participated, all those who listened in. You, of course, make this possible, because without you, it would just be a couple of talking heads up here amongst one another. Please share this to anybody and everybody. And Because at the end of the day, the, the, the thing that I find most powerful about this is the legacy of this man, of David Irving. It wasn't just that he was right, it's that he was doing it because he was, he was one thousand percent committed to the truth. He was committed to that above his security, his safety, his financial wellness, at times even his own physical being. Right? He endured his property being attacked, his body and persona being attacked, certainly withered all kinds of, of economic repercussions, But did so because the truth was the most important thing to him, and should be the most important to all of us, and, and as a, a final little parting set of words, I, I, I see Rabbi's got his hand up. Mr. Malia, is anything that you would like to set us off with, any final words, and if you would be of interest, any musicality that you would like to, to play for us before we part the, the space.
@malleusigOh my
Ian MalcolmGod,
@malleusigit would, it would, it's Thanks so much for joining us, and I wanna say, I don't know, I probably speak for a lot of people when I say this, but I am a little bit jealous because, it's not all of us that have a father That we can look at and say to ourselves, "That man is a real hero, right? That man is someone that has inspired thousands, if not tens, hundreds of thousands of people across the world who has fought a fight against falsehood and lies and has, you know, picked up the banner of truth and really suffered for it."
@malleusigIt, not, there's, there's not a lot of people like that out there, and so, you're really, really lucky, and I'm jealous as hell. Just wanted to know that. Thanks.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. So, Mr. Mr. Adam, just nothing but absolute love, again, for yourself, for the entirety of the legacy, of David, for the time that he has left with us in this, this wonderful world. nothing but all the love to him. I hope that you pass along that love that, that I'm sure every- Everybody up here and everybody listening certainly shares for him. Please pass that on to David, and, and, and with that, just nothing but prayers, nothing but love, and if everybody can just send their warmest of wishes to him in any capacity, when you, when you go down to lay your head tonight, as you're saying those prayers, just throw out an extra one for Mr. David Irving for everything that he's done and for the incomparable truths that he helped to share to the world. So nothing but love, Adam, and, To come back, and I will look forward to all those conversations, my friend. and so with that, oh, go, go for it, Adam.
Speaker 24I was just gonna say, thank you very much, and, good evening, and, yes, I, I hope to come back on, on one of these soon, but, yes, anyway, good night.
Ian MalcolmGood night, to all. And, and, and with that, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are in the world. certainly God bless to anybody and everybody, especially to Mr. David Irving. Lots of love to him, lots of prayers for him. So God bless to him and Godspeed to all of us on all of our efforts as we continue forward, as we carry on these truths, we carry on the legacy of this incomparable man, and in doing so, try to make the world a little bit better of a place tomorrow. He certainly- Certainly did that throughout the entirety of his life to this point, and will continue to do so, both for the rest of that life and in the aftermath, because of the hero and the heroic deeds, that he carried forward. So lots of love to everybody, Adam, again, just thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you so much for everybody for listening. We will always be here, and until that next conversation, again, God bless for everything that all of you are, and Godspeed on our adventures going forward.