Who Was the God Of the Old Testament? Was it Satan? @sethianman

0:02Ian MalcolmFALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

0:29Ian MalcolmAlmost went with, I think it was Joan Osborne, if I'm not mistaken, that had this one. What if God, well.↗

0:36@joann_marieWhat if God was one of us? I love that song, Ian.↗

0:41Ian MalcolmAha, well then, so Joanne, you get two points on this one, which will make up for the fact that yesterday we had to phone a friend to Mr. Rabbi [guest] for that other tune. But Joanne, what are you at at this point? Four or five in a row?↗

0:57@joann_marieI think I'm higher. I lost count, but I, well, I mean, with the help of other people, I'm higher.↗

1:04Ian MalcolmLet's go. We got to figure out where you are. We got to go back. We got to look over. At some point, we're going to need, perhaps, wouldn't it be funny if allegedly Dank, perhaps his AI can look over the long slew of all the spaces and maybe just look for what is the... What's the roster of songs and maybe have a Spotify playlist on the Spotify channel that is Ian Malcolm 84.↗

1:33Ian MalcolmAnd just to call it out, the man, the myth, the legendary Mr. Allegedly Dank, who is putting all of these conversations onto Spotify, Rumble, Apple Podcasts, as well as ianmalcolm84.com.↗

2:15Ian MalcolmSo just unbelievable work that he has been doing.↗

2:39Ian MalcolmTo try and get this information out to as many eyes and ears as we possibly can, which I think it's safe to say that we are certainly winning in this regard. The information war, if anybody was feeling in the doldrums, right? If you looked around and you thought this is Sisyphus and it's too big a boulder, well then trust that we are Atlas and unlike Sisyphus, we can carry anything.↗

3:35Ian MalcolmWe look around, oh, Donald Trump, I wish I could do the voice, I can't. But he promised so much winning. You know what he's doing? He's losing in spades, right? And because ultimately the biggest loss that he could ever be a part of is the end of the propaganda era that is Jewish supremacy. We are winning. People are waking up en masse, and as they do,↗

4:02Ian MalcolmSubmission 2T Submission 2T↗

4:27Ian MalcolmSubmitting to Truth. What a beautiful handle he has. Dr. Strange walked us through essentially the art of our opposition. The very group that we are trying to stand against. This idea of through subversion we shall wage war. And it's a version of what? Of the truth. So we talked all about the propaganda war that is on the minds and the eyes and the ears of all of us.↗

4:55Ian MalcolmAnd how we can reverse engineer that. Pryor, Richard Gage↗

5:27Ian MalcolmBecause one of the wildest pieces over the last week, I don't really know how else to say this, but other than to say thank you to our special guests, to thank everybody that is listening and participating and speaking, because we've been some of the biggest spaces on this entire application, in particular when it comes to political discourse and geopolitics.↗

5:50Ian MalcolmBut even that aside, if you just go through the Rolodex of all of the spaces, All of the things. It doesn't matter if it's cryptocurrency or some sports ball, right? So what does that mean? That means that what we are doing is garnering as big an audience as just about anything on this application. And so we are inevitably going to win.↗

6:10Ian MalcolmWe're going to continue to win in doing that. We are going to explore the comfortable, which for anybody that doesn't know how they wandered into this space is going to be anything and everything Jewish supremacy that we will also Be diving into some other topics like we did yesterday, understanding what is propaganda, not just through the lens of how the Jewish supremacists are utilizing it, but what is it to unpack, right?↗

6:36Ian MalcolmWhat were the intellectuals that were behind it? Where did it all begin? And yes, it does go back to the usual suspects, in particular with Edward Bernays, who literally wrote a book entitled I'm Not Even Kidding You, Propaganda, because that's what he was the father of. And you can go directly to his Wikipedia page. He'll even quote that.↗

6:56Ian MalcolmThe father of propaganda. Yeah, you don't say. And so in this space, we are going to be talking about something that is both similar because it has to do with this power structure, this paradigm, and our understanding of essentially the global religions of the world. But it also will be coming at it from an angle that even for myself might be uncomfortable.↗

7:21Ian MalcolmWhen we initially shared this, I had somebody that wrote in the comment section, blasphemy, they said. And perhaps it might be, right? But I've been called everything under the sun. And so blasphemous is not one that I would particularly worry about after literally years of every other Marxist slur I can come up with. But we will be going through this.↗

7:42Ian MalcolmAnd I want to just call it out up front. I am, I'm a religious person. I've been very candid with my Christian beliefs. That doesn't mean that I can't explore the things that I think I understand from a different angle and lens. And we will always do that in this space. If a Jewish supremacist wants to come in and tell me I'm crazy and he wants to explain how it's the lizard people, it is the Mormons, right?↗

8:08Ian MalcolmOr perhaps it's the Jawas from the Star Wars universe that actually run the world and that my entire worldview is bupkis. They're welcome to do so as long as they don't gaslight the audience myself. We have an unbelievable guest speaker. They're an extremely prominent member of the X community.↗

8:38Ian MalcolmThey're out there doing all kinds of wonderful things, advancing the truth on this subject. And because of the ideas of Jewish supremacy, we're disconnecting that from some of those other efforts. And I just want to call that out because the person that you're about to hear from, again, kind of an intellect that on this platform gets a whole lot of respect and regard, right?↗

8:57Ian MalcolmAnd so do not be overwhelmed or surprised when you see perhaps it's a handle that has no prior background, right? But I am very excited for this conversation. It's one... I don't know if you'd call him a former Jew, although perhaps it's the right word. He's an ethnic Jew who has basically rejected Judaism. I don't know what his current views are because I haven't seen anything that he's done on this app in a long time.↗

9:27Ian MalcolmBut this idea that perhaps the Old Testament is not what it seems, right? We understand that the New Testament is picked apart. There are those that would suggest the entirety of religion, that it is all some kind of LARP or ruse. I don't like that bend, frankly. And I still have a couple bullets that I just, I toss out to those that are of that persuasion and they never have good answers for them because it does seem like maybe that's not exactly the right ideology, at least not one that I could ever subscribe to.↗

10:00Ian MalcolmAnd when it comes to religion, I do think if we look around, it's very clear cut.↗

10:29Ian MalcolmEverybody talks about 1,000 times, 109 countries. And yes, those are pretty much all reasonable things to say. But what were the views of those countries again and those times? Because I'm pretty certain almost all of them were Christian, right? And so if you look at this, you start to recognize, well, what is it that has been an unbelievable force for good?↗

10:54Ian MalcolmYou can certainly look today and you can say that Islam is rejecting a whole lot of Jewish supremacy, that they are trying to maintain some tradition in their own way. But when it comes to the West, Christianity has done an amazing job trying to maintain order, right? And it's clearly falling apart because, well, it's being destroyed.↗

11:12Ian MalcolmAnd so we will be looking at. This idea of religion of the text, we are all very familiar with the Schofield Bible, Vatican II, and all of the other ways. And we did a wonderful space. We might have to put that in the purple pill with the Goy father, a legend on this application who walked us through essentially the subversion of the text that is the Bible utilized by many people today, right?↗

11:38Ian MalcolmAnd so we've taken these different bends. This one is going to be doing a little bit I think we opened up maybe 45 minutes↗

12:13@joann_marieThank you so much for hosting. And Sethian, really nice meeting you. Thank you so much for being here. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps so much with the algorithm. And follow Ian and everybody on the panel. And no, looking forward for this. I also have the same suspicions as Sethian, so I cannot wait to learn more about it.↗

12:37@joann_marieSo thank you so much for having me. And yeah, that's about it.↗

12:41Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And so without further ado, and one little final thing I'll call out because I know that we do have the major Marcionite in here. It'll be very curious because we're going to do a space with him next month. And for that space, I'm going to call him out, right? This is like in Back to the Future 3 when Biff, I think it's Mad Dog Tannen.↗

13:06Ian MalcolmHe's trying to get McFly to come out. Actually, it's not even McFly. It's Eastwood. That's right. Clint Eastwood, he calls himself. He's trying to call him out of the bar for the shootout in the OK Corral. This is Earth to Yitz. Yitz, we know you've been away for a while. We welcome you back into our space. You are a beloved, let's say, representative of the Jewish supremacist system.↗

13:31Ian MalcolmBut I wish you well wherever you are. And just calling you out again like Mad Dog Tannen that you and Clint Eastwood are going to have to come out and face Marcy and I next month because they are going to be debating essentially something along these similar lines. And that space was originally set as a duel between these two men so they can bring their pistols or their Bibles or their, what is it?↗

13:56Ian MalcolmIt's the... What is the sword? The fencing sword? It's not a saber. It's something else. Put in the purple pill if you know what the sword is that you fenced with. A foil, I think it might be. Thank you so much for joining us.↗

14:34Ian MalcolmThank you, Ian.↗

14:39@sethianmanAnd thank you, Joanne, for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. And I'm a huge fan of the spaces. I've been listening to your content for years, reading your tweets. And I think that you've done an amazing job in raising awareness around these topics. I want to give a shout out for your bravery because it's not like you have some sort of huge financial or otherwise benefit in doing this.↗

15:12@sethianmanYou're doing it because I think you think it's the right thing to do. And so I just want to thank you guys again for having me on the space. I'm not a well-known quantity in this space because I don't usually come out and speak like this, but I feel spiritually and Mentally compelled to do it. I met Ian through some other mutual friends and we hit it off.↗

15:33@sethianmanAnd, you know, I started talking about what I saw, what I believe in. And through that, I got invited to come on this space. And I'm really excited to talk to everyone here today. So I just want to kick it off with a quote from The Secret Book of John. Some people may be familiar with this. Some people may not be. By the way, you can just call me Seth.↗

15:55@sethianmanSo Sethian Man Seth is fine. But I'll start with this. It's the very beginning of the Book of John. And for those that are unfamiliar, the Book of John is part of a manuscript called the Nag Hammadi that was found in Egypt in 1945. It was discovered in some clay pots. It took almost two millennia for us to find it. And the reason that it was hidden was because real knowledge is dangerous.↗

16:21@sethianmanThis knowledge... The One Rules All. Nothing Has Authority Over It.↗

16:50@sethianmanIt is the God, it is the Father of everything, holy one, the invisible one over everything. It is uncontaminated, pure light, no eye can bear to look within. The one is the invisible spirit. It is not right to think of it as a God or as like God. It is more than just God. Nothing is above it. Nothing rules it. Since everything exists within it, it does not exist within anything.↗

17:12@sethianmanSince it is not dependent on anything, it is eternal.↗

17:17@sethianmanSome people may be familiar with this text, some people may not be, but I'll kind of jump into it very quickly. Most people are familiar with the Old Testament, the Torah, Genesis, and in Genesis it starts with essentially the beginning story of God creating heaven and earth, right? And what's not known is there is actually a story that predates this that's part of the Nag Hammadi that's told in the Secret Book of John.↗

17:45@sethianmanYou can find this, by the way, on the web. You can search on whatever you want, on Google, on whatever. But if you go to gnosis.org, you will find it. And it's also known as the Apocryphon of John. But something very interesting about this text is that it exposes the story before Genesis. And the story before Genesis is the story of the Monad.↗

18:12@sethianmanAnd that is that excerpt that I just read. The concept of the Monad is essentially the original consciousness, the original creator. And it's not fair to say God or... A physical thing because it exists beyond all those physical concepts. Our minds, our human minds, it's hard for us to comprehend it. So, you know, modern Christian Zionism and most of modern Christianity tends to anthropomorphize God, right?↗

18:44@sethianmanTends to turn God into this physical character. But in the Secret Book of John, it's quite different. And when you read that, you'll kind of see it. So jumping right into it, I would say I want to give some quotes and give a little bit more background. But a quote from Jesus, from Yeshua, I am the way and the truth and the life.↗

19:06@sethianmanNo one comes to the Father except through me. So this idea of the Father, the Heavenly Father that we find in the Old Testament, which is essentially the Torah, is this idea of Yahweh. H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

19:52@sethianmanI want to highlight the ways in which Christianity has become perverted. You might sometimes hear some atheist people or people who don't believe in God say, if God was real, why would he allow this? Why would he allow cancer? Why would he allow death and war and all these things? And I'm here today to say that's because the God of this earth is not who we were taught, at least as Christians, who we think it is.↗

20:21@sethianmanAnd there are hints of this. There are hints of this in the Bible when Jesus talks about the ruler of this earth. You may recall on the mountain where Yeshua is tempted by the devil who offers him the kingdom of this earth. How could he offer him the kingdom unless he controls it, right? And so kind of getting into it, the beginning, Yahweh, this name Yahweh,↗

20:49@sethianmandoes not go all the way back into ancient Israelite culture. The first time that it appears is in the Canaanite mythology, which stems from the Sumerian mythology. And I'm going to argue today that there is a syncretism between the ancient Greek gods, the Roman gods, and the Sumerian gods, essentially, as well as the ancient Israelite gods.↗

21:17@sethianmanThe ancient Israelites were not always monotheists. And again, this is a fact, you can look this up. But the ancient Israelites believed in a pantheon of deities. And within that pantheon of deities, Yahweh was not always at the top of the pile. It was actually another deity called El Elyon. Now El Elyon is... essentially the top of this pantheon.↗

21:43@sethianmanAnd you'll be surprised to find out that Yahweh is actually a lesser deity within this pantheon, within this Canaanite pantheon. It appears about 1,000 years, 1,000 BC, in which this pantheon actually goes back to about 5,000 BC into ancient Sumeria. And part of what I'm going to argue today is that This story of what I call, what the Christian Gnostics called Yaldabaoth, which means son of chaos, is the god in the Garden of Eden.↗

22:17@sethianmanSo kind of jumping into it at first, I just kind of want to highlight a few different aspects to this text. With the Sethian Gnostic view, the story, for those that don't know or are unfamiliar with this, is that the God that we know in the Bible, the beginning of Genesis, is not actually the beginning of the story. The beginning of the story starts with what the Christian Gnostics or the Sethians call the Monad.↗

22:52@sethianmanAnd that is the origin of consciousness. And in the Secret Book of John, the origin of that consciousness has different aspects. And one of those aspects is known as wisdom and what's called Sophia. Sophia takes on a form of her own in this wisdom and she wishes to create in the same way that the Monad created her. But she doesn't have a male counterpart to do it.↗

23:17@sethianmanSo she essentially wishes this being into existence. And since there is no balance, there is no male counterpart, this being is created and it's kind of like an abomination. And it appears to her as a Something not very nice. In the text, it's described as a serpent with a lion's head. That symbology will come up later on.↗

23:43@sethianmanAnd in making this creation, she becomes ashamed. She wants to hide it. So she casts it down from the heavens, from the seven heavens, down to the lower realm, which is called Earth. And from there, Yaldabaoth, or Son of Chaos, begins to create. And this is the beginning of Genesis. Creating the heavens, the water, the earth, all of these things are the creation in the Gnostic text, the secret book of John, that is the creation of Yaldabaoth.↗

24:16@sethianmanAnd you'll recall in Genesis, some famous quote, well, actually, I guess we can go to Exodus, you shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth. So, just to pause there for a second, how can you be jealous unless there's someone to be jealous of?↗

24:57@sethianmanAs a young person, I was exposed to these things and I always thought, that's weird. How can you be jealous? You're the only being. You're the only God. How can you be jealous? And so something that's really interesting in this Gnostic text in the book of John is this idea of who are Cain and Abel. And so in Ian's spaces, he touches on Jewish supremacy, touches on↗

25:26@sethianmanYou know, what we witness today. And these are obvious things to us. They're becoming more and more obvious over time. But what is the archetype of those things? Is it lying? Is it murder? Is it rape? Is it wandering, being a wanderer? These are the archetypes of the supremacists, essentially, the Jewish supremacists, unfortunately, as it were.↗

25:50@sethianmanAnd so to go forward from here, what's interesting is that There's a secret, I guess this is the biggest secret in the Secret Book of John is the concept of Cain and Abel. Where does this hatred of the Goyim, of the Gentiles come from? And how I got involved in this, how I discovered this was just starting to research from it.↗

26:11@sethianmanFrom a young age, I never really understood what is this conflict in Israel and Palestine? What's going on over there? And, you know, you'll be told by the Hasbaris, oh, you know, it's Hamas, it's this, it's that, it's something else. They did it, not us, right? But when you start to investigate, you will start to ask some questions.↗

26:30@sethianmanAnd if you really get into the Torah and the Talmud and the Zohar and you study these things, you'll realize that there is a very distinct reason that it's not just going back to Amalek, which you probably heard that phrase before. It actually goes all the way back to Cain and Abel and Seth, to the origin of man. Now, in the Secret Book of John, the secret is that↗

26:54@sethianmanHain is not the progeny of Adam. This God, the primordial God that comes down, and something that's interesting too, I want to add some color to this. These concepts are in the Kabbalah. They're in the Zohar. You can find them in Midrashic texts. You can read about this stuff. So, you know, there's a lot of syncretism when it comes to Western astrology.↗

27:21@sethianmanThe Greek gods, the Roman gods are essentially the same thing, just different names. And it's interesting because in the Secret Book of John, I'm going to read this excerpt here. Probably a lot of people have not heard this, but I'm guessing some people have heard this before. So you can find this on gnosis.org. There's several different translations, but I'll just read from this section called Woman Comes Into Being.↗

27:46@sethianmanAnd here we go. So I'll just start up here. The light-filled epinoya. And I hope to spark the epinoya in you today. That is essentially the truth. It is the search for the truth. It is the purpose and the attention of mind. And ultimately, I think that separates regular people from the NPC. Your purpose, your attention of mind, your ability to not be on autopilot, that is your epinoya.↗

28:12@sethianmanSo I'm hoping to spark your epinoya today with what I'm reading and what I'm saying. The light-filled epinoya hid deep within Adam. The chief ruler tried to remove her from his ribcage. This is Yaldabaoth. But Epinoia cannot be captured. Think of Epinoia as the spirit the monad descended into. I'm skipping a little bit here, but the monad descended into Adam because the chief ruler saw the reflection of the monad in the waters and he tried to replicate it.↗

28:40@sethianmanSo that is the creation of Adam and Eve was replicating the reflection of the monad who looks like a man who's the What the Kabbalists called Adam Kadmon. You may have heard that saying before. So Yaldabaoth, the son of chaos, begins to create and he creates Adam. But as you know, in Genesis, Adam doesn't stand up right away.↗

29:04@sethianmanHe's made out of clay and he's made out of mud. The chief ruler tried to remove her from his ribcage. This is Eve. But Epinoia cannot be captured. Although the darkness pursued her, it did not catch her. The chief ruler did remove a portion of his power from Adam to create a person with a woman's form. Modeled on the light-filled epinoia that had been manifested to him, he placed the power removed from the man into the woman.↗

29:28@sethianmanAdam saw the woman standing next to him. The light-filled epinoia immediately appeared to him. He raised up the veil that dulled his mind. He sobered up from the dark drunkenness and recognized his own counterpart. He said, this is bone from my bones, flesh from my flesh. Because of this, a man will leave his mother and father and be joined to a woman↗

29:46@sethianmanThose two will become one flesh where they will send his helper to him. I'm going to skip ahead a little bit here. The chief archons, archon, the archons, by the way, are essentially the rulers that if you think about kind of like the Greek gods and the concept of Ouranos, Uranus, these are the sub-gods, right? So if you have El Elyon from the Sumerian pantheon, you have the sub-gods.↗

30:12@sethianmanWho are the sub-gods? Well, they're Yahweh, they're Baal, they're... Asherah, who appears in the Bible as well.↗

30:22@sethianmanThe chief archon saw the young woman who was standing by Adam. He realized that the light-filled epinoy of life was within her. Yaldabaoth became completely ignorant. Yaldabaoth raped Eve. She bore two sons. Elohim was the name of the first. Yahweh was the name of the second. Elohim has a bear's face. Yahweh has a cat's face.↗

30:41@sethianmanOne is righteous. One is not. Yahweh is righteous. Elohim is not. Yahweh would command fire and wind, Elohim would command water and earth. So again, these are Kabbalistic alchemical concepts. Fire and wind, it's essentially your energy and your mind. And water and earth is essentially your emotion and your physicality.↗

31:09@sethianmanAnd it goes on to say, Yahweh both deceptively named the two, Cain and Abel. So when I discovered this text several years ago, you know, I was kind of doing my spiritual journey, reading all this stuff. I'm really reading with a scholarly idea in mind. I'm not just, you know, coming into this with some opinions. I'm ingesting everything.↗

31:28@sethianmanI'm completely open. And that was a huge split in my mind because when I read that, I said, well, wait a second. You're telling me that this guy Cain is not the descendant of Adam. He was the descendant of this guy, Yaldabaoth, right? And Yaldabaoth was essentially kind of born in this weird state where he was essentially kind of rejected.↗

31:52@sethianmanAnd through that, he became a jealous god. He became angry. And essentially, the archetype is lying, rape, murder, wandering, building cities, and we'll expand upon that. But from there, Cain, you know the story, everybody knows the story. Cain and Abel essentially created these gifts for God. This is for who I believe to be Ialdabaoth, or who is called El Elyon in the Sumerian pantheon, who later became adopted by the Canaanite pantheon, who became the ancient Israelite pantheon going back about 5000 years.↗

32:30@sethianmanNow, Yahweh doesn't appear until about 1000 BC. When Yahweh does appear, he's part of a pantheon. That means A pool of gods, not just one god. So when you hear this concept, you know, oh, it's monotheism. Well, the Jews weren't always monotheists, okay? They were polytheists from the very beginning, coming from the Sumerian pantheon.↗

32:52@sethianmanAnd a lot of the mythology from the Sumerian pantheon going all the way to the Greek pantheon, I believe El Elyon is who's called Orenos in the Greek pantheon or Calus in the Roman pantheon. And his son, who is now we know is Cain, is Yahweh in the Secret Book of John, is the son of Arenos, is Saturn. So this is, sorry, Saturn is the Roman, the Greek is Cronus.↗

33:24@sethianmanSo some people might become familiar with this now that I'm saying it, you're starting to make some connections in your head. But wait a second, what day is the Sabbath? What does Shabbatai mean? It's Saturday. Saturday is Saturn's day. And so the Kabbalists know this, and I'm going to give some recommendations at the end here of reading and texts that I think you guys can get a ton of information from, but I encourage everyone to keep an open mind to what I'm saying today.↗

33:50@sethianmanI know that some people have come into this space and they're excited about what I'm saying, and some people have come into this space thinking, this guy's blasphemous. Well, at the end of the day, It really is for you to decide, for you to do the research. Don't just listen to what I'm saying. I'm just pointing you into the right directions to do your own research.↗

34:08@sethianmanAnd a great text for you to buy is the Gnostic Bible, if you haven't heard of it before, by Barnstone and Meyer. Great text. It's not only just the Christian perspective, but it also goes into the Islamic Gnostic perspectives. It's really great. But to go back here a little bit, If you know the mythology of Cronus, of Saturn, what does he do?↗

34:35@sethianmanHe is a jealous god, like his father. He's born from Uranus, from Chaos. It's kind of similar to the name Yaldabaoth, son of Chaos, right? So I started making these connections, and it kind of became a little hobby of mine over the past few years. Putting all this information together, it really blew my mind. I had been taught one thing, and I had rejected it.↗

34:58@sethianmanAnd then I started to do my own research and I changed my mind completely. Just like listening to Ian and to others, to other influencers in the space that are brave enough to speak about these concepts. Because if you do speak about them, you could have your bank account shut off, you could be demonized, you could be even, you know, killed, right?↗

35:17@sethianmanFor saying these things. You look at what happened to Yesua, that's exactly what happened to him, right? So flash forward to this concept of Cronus and Saturn. Just like his father, Uranus, Cronus, does not want his progeny to usurp him, so he eats them, right? And that concept, again, comes into this concept of sacrifice of the child, which we'll get into that as well, but of the next of kin, right?↗

35:54@sethianmanWhen you think about the legend of Isaac, right?↗

36:01@sethianmanJacob takes Isaac to the mountain and binds him and it goes to sacrifice him. That never made sense to me as a young person. Well, why would God try to sacrifice you? Well, if you understand the Greek and Roman mythology, if you understand the Christian Gnostic texts, a picture starts to appear, right? And a lot of this comes back to my research of, well, why?↗

36:25@sethianmanWhy would the Jews do this to us? Why do they hate Amalek? Why do they want to destroy Amalek? Who is Amalek? Well, Amalek is essentially, you know, they'll say it's an ancient concept of people, but it really comes down to this concept of going all the way back to Cain and Abel. You have the first murder. Cain is exiled, right?↗

36:48@sethianmanSo he becomes a wanderer. So he murders, he lies about it, the elder Boath. And then he's exiled from the Garden of Eden. Where does he go? He goes to a place called the Land of Nod. And I believe the Land of Nod is actually what becomes what they call the Land of Edom. And this is where it starts to get into the supremacy conversation.↗

37:12@sethianmanMy theory, my thesis is that everything has been essentially reversed. So when you hear the rabbis, the Talmudic rabbis say, You know, Esau must be destroyed before the rebuilding of the Third Temple and their Moshiach can come. I believe that Esau is not us, is not the West, is not the Gentile, but it's actually them.↗

37:37@sethianmanYou probably are also familiar through Ian's spaces, through other spaces, this idea of accusation, right? So making confession as an accusation, right? Esau is... is the bad guy that gave up his promise, right? But what if Aesop was the descendant of Cain? Because when you start to analyze it, it starts to make a lot of sense.↗

38:03@sethianmanCain wanders to the land of Nod. He builds cities, metropolises, which also play into this archetype of taking you away from nature, taking you away from the woods, bringing you into the metropolis, into the control where we're experiencing that today. With the flock cameras, with the urban sprawl and the idea of pulling everyone together.↗

38:24@sethianmanWhy? Because they want to control you. And it comes all the way back to this concept of Cain and Abel. So Cain is the descendant of the Wraith of Eve through Yaldabaoth. And again, for those that are skeptical or you're listening to this, it sounds kind of crazy. Just think about it in terms of mythology, right? Just treat it like Greek and Roman mythology and it starts to make↗

38:50@sethianmanA lot of sense. So I have some other quotes here I want to share with you. But essentially, let's see here, pull this up. Let's see here.↗

39:06@sethianmanIn Psalm 137.8, there's a statement that says, Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. Again, this should sound familiar. Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. Now, this is used in the same concept by the supremacists to talk about Amalek, right?↗

39:34@sethianmanTalk about Edom. And this is part of the justification for what you see in Palestine, which really, I believe, will spread around the world when the time has come, when the prophecy, their prophecy, they believe is fulfilled. They're forcing their prophecy. So it's not just, in the words of Bill Cooper, it doesn't matter if you believe it, they believe it, right?↗

39:56@sethianmanSo when you're listening to what I'm saying today, understand that you can view it through the lens of mythology. It really helps you kind of quantize it, but also it explains a lot. Why is the God of the Old Testament so violent? Why does he want to see infants smashed against rocks? Why does he want to... Why is there this concept of jealousy and vengeance?↗

40:21@sethianmanBecause that's not what Yeshua teaches. It's not what Jesus teaches, right? He teaches the opposite. And something else that I found really interesting as I started to dig into this, I started to do research was, well, wait a second, because a lot of Christians, specifically Christian Zionists, will say, well, you know, Yahweh is the Holy Father.↗

40:44@sethianmanBut did you know, and I know the Marcionites here probably know this, Did you know that the first Christian canon did not include the Old Testament? Published in about 111, I think, AD. Someone can correct me on that. Marcion of Sinope did not include it. It wasn't until almost 50 years later that the Torah essentially was concatenated on top of the New Testament.↗

41:10@sethianmanSo you add these two things together. The Secret Book of John, the Stales of Seth, A lot of these texts in the Nag Hammadi, they were branded heretical. And this isn't like heretical in 2026 where you get canceled. This is like heretical like you get your head chopped off. So people didn't really want to die over this.↗

41:32@sethianmanThey wanted to teach their progenies, teach the next generations, but they hid it because they knew that if they didn't hide it, they would be killed for it. And ultimately, the text may be lost. Interestingly enough as well, the Ugaritic texts which prove that Yahweh was a lesser deity in a pantheon of gods was found in the 20s.↗

41:59@sethianmanSo really a lot of the stuff that proves what I'm saying is in some cases less than 100 years old. It's pretty crazy to think that we went through centuries without knowing this. But I believe a lot of it was lost around the turn of the century as Ian touched on the Schofield Bible, this idea to try and put the two together.↗

42:23@sethianmanBut it is really interesting because it seems like the Kabbalists already know this. And why do I have this knowledge of Kabbalah and astrology and all these other things? I studied this at one point pretty in depth to the point that I really understand it. And when I got into these texts, All these things started to make sense.↗

42:45@sethianmanAnd so, like I said, whether you believe it or you don't believe it, they believe it and they're acting it out. And what we're seeing today is essentially the fulfillment of that prophecy through their works, right? And if you remember, Yeshua says you can judge them by their works. So who are they? Well, I believe that after the rape of Eve, Cain went into the land of Nod.↗

43:10@sethianmanNod essentially became Edom. Eventually, you have this concept of Jacob and you have the concept of Jacob and Esau. And really, it is my opinion that most of what the Jewish texts are saying is an inversion, right? So not only is there's this concept of the accusation, the accusation is the confession, but it It's in line with the archetype of the liar, right?↗

43:42@sethianmanTo invert it, to say, well, you're doing the genocide. Hamas is doing the genocide. They're doing it. And in this day and age, we're kind of looking at this and scratching our heads and people are starting to wake up and say, actually, that's what you're doing. So to go all the way back to Jacob and Esau, after Esau is rejected, he gets angry.↗

44:04@sethianmanWhat does he do? He threatens to kill Jacob. And he wanders into the land of Edom where he finds Nimrod who descends all the way through Noah and has allegedly, according to Midrashic text, a coat given to him by Yaldabaoth. That coat allows him to command animals and to command armies. This is not in the Bible. This is in a Midrashic text.↗

44:39@sethianmanI'll cite all my sources at the end. Esau kills Nimrod. And this is the beginning of Edom. This is not really so much these concepts, this archetype is not really so much the Roman or the Western or what became the West. This is the concept of Judea, of Cain. And so that lineage comes all the way down, I believe, is passed on to Aesop, who kills Nimrod and takes that kingdom.↗

45:14@sethianmanI believe that that kingdom is what's modern-day Israel, what became modern-day Israel. Not the Israel of the Bible, but the modern-day 1948 Israel. And Israel of the Bible was divided, as you know, into two kingdoms, north and south, and Judah was in the south with the two tribes, Benjamin and Judah, right? So, another interesting little tidbit for those that don't know.↗

45:40@sethianmanRothschild, the current Rothschild, traces their lineage, allegedly, I think it's Jacob Rothschild, was quoted as saying that he traces his lineage all the way back to Nimrod. But I believe actually it's Aesop. It's not Nimrod, it's Aesop that killed Nimrod. And I forgot, I don't get the exact date, I don't have it right in front of me on the screen, but...↗

46:02@sethianmanAt some point there was a ruler named John Hyrcanus and he essentially conquered Edom and interbred the Amorites, the Jebusites, essentially what were the descendants of the Phoenicians with the Edomites and they brought this practice. That's where you have this syncretization of these cultures and that was the very beginning of Yahweh, right?↗

46:30@sethianmanSo if you go back and you research it, you'll start to see a pattern emerges. Does Yeshua ever say the name Yahweh in the Bible? Never. He never once says it. He only refers to the Father as what? The Father in Aramaic, Abba. That's right. So, you know, when a Christian will say, well, that's blasphemy. You know, that's Jesus's Father.↗

46:57@sethianmanThat's the Heavenly Father. Is it? Did he ever say that? And I think it's very interesting because when you start to dig into it and you internalize these things that I'm saying, a lot of the text will begin to unravel itself and make sense. And in John 844, when Jesus is talking to the Jews, he says, and this is a famous line.↗

47:22@sethianmanI know everyone here knows it. Even if you're not Christian or you're not religious, you probably know this. You belong to your father, the devil. And you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks the native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.↗

47:41@sethianmanWell, I believe that Yeshua is talking about Cain, the original murderer, right? He was the first to lie. He's the father of lies. The archetype of modern Israel is built on a lie. It's built on rape and murder and all these atrocious things. It's all starting to make sense, right? This concept repeats itself of the two brothers all the way from Cain and Abel to Jacob and Aesop.↗

48:14@sethianmanJacob and Aesop is the foundation for Judeo supremacy that we are Edom. But again, like any good lie, it's not us that they're Edom, right? It's the other way around. Everything's inverted. The God of the Old Testament is the primordial God of Chaos, Son of Chaos, Yaldabaoth, according to the mythology. And again, we don't have to get into what people believe.↗

48:42@sethianmanI'm simply citing the facts of what you can find historically through the texts. And I encourage you to go and to read these texts. But ultimately, this... This concept, this archetype keeps repeating and it keeps going on. And in my opinion, the modern day Jews are not monotheistic. They will say they are, but I have a good quote from a former aide of, I believe, a U.S.↗

49:15@sethianmanCongressman. And some may have heard of this quote. I'll just pull it up real quick.↗

49:23@sethianmanIt is from Harold Rosenthal in 1976. He was an aid to a congressman, and he said, Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our God is Lucifer, and we are his chosen people. I believe that's very true. I believe Lucifer comes from the Latin lux fair or light bringer. It's the same story as Prometheus and finding the fire.↗

49:53@sethianmanThis idea that the original bringer of light of this knowledge to the man is actually, in my opinion, Yahweh, who is Cronus, who is Saturn, who is what we would call, I guess, essentially the devil or Satan. Now, if you get into Western magic, esotericism, which is heavily, heavily influenced by Kabbalah, If you research Freemasonry, if you research the Golden Dawn, you'll see it's all Kabbalah all the way down.↗

50:27@sethianmanAnd through that, this concept of two demiurgists, the upper and the lower, is taught in Western magic. So they're very familiar with the concept already of this Yaldabaoth and Yahweh. They share this lineage and this bond. I'm going to share some texts at the end that I think everybody will really enjoy. Some of them are kind of thick texts, but there's really a lot of information there.↗

50:58@sethianmanJust to kind of go back on it, this concept of the wanderer and of this original murderer and liar, it all stems back to, like I said, to Cain and Abel. Now, there's more to this story as well, because Cain and Abel weren't the only sons. There was a third son named Seth, and you'll see my name is Sethian Man. The Sethians, the Christian Gnostic Sethians believe that they're, and this is where the Christian Gnosticism comes in.↗

51:28@sethianmanYou have three types of people. You have the Hilux, which I believe is really kind of the Jewish mentality of physicality, of stuff, of things. This is the obsession with gold, the obsession with the ruler of this earth, who I believe is is Yahweh, is the devil, essentially. And that explains, you know, when people say, well, why would God do this?↗

51:51@sethianmanWell, there's your answer, right? We have to kind of transcend this one. We have to understand what Yeshu was saying. And why do they hate him so much? Ultimately, they believe that the soul of Cain descended into Esau, descended from Samael, which is essentially a face of Yaldabaoth, which is the serpent in the garden.↗

52:14@sethianmanSeduces Eve, rapes Eve, creates Cain, who is Yahweh, who goes on to become a, essentially later on in Sumeria, a storm god of the nation of Israel. He's described, you know, essentially he sat next to, adjacent to Baal, where they would, you know, pray for him to make it rain and for Baal to make it rain. So that concept of the Pantheon was not only↗

52:42@sethianmanwas not only of the Sumerians and ancient Israelites, but also of the Greeks and the Romans. And you can find it through many different cultures. So essentially, I guess we can maybe stop there for questions, but my theory with all of this and kind of what I'm getting at here is that they know this in Kabbalah. It's taught in the Zohar.↗

53:06@sethianmanIt's taught in the Midrashic texts. Everything is inverted. So this idea that, no, it's not your land, it's my land, right? Or it's, I didn't do it, you did it, right? We hear that all the time. That archetype has passed down all the way. And whether you believe it or you don't believe it, this is the mythology that they believe, and they're going to enact it.↗

53:31@sethianmanAnd once you understand that, everything will become very clear. Because I hear a lot of people say, well, if we just ended Zionism, this would all go away. It won't, okay? The issue is this mythology going all the way back to Yaldabaoth, which is the upper demiurge and the lower demiurge being Yahweh. We got tricked as Christians, many Christians and many people got tricked into this idea.↗

54:01@sethianmanAnd again, even in the Quran, the prophet of Musa, Moses, is Yahweh, right? If we're worshiping the wrong guy, Wouldn't it make sense that all these things are happening? Or if we embodied from a lesser spiritual perspective, just from like a mythological, psychological perspective, if we embodied the god of rape and chaos and murder and lies, then isn't that what we would create in this world?↗

54:28@sethianmanRight? And again, the Kabbalists know this. The Western magicians know this. Everything that you're seeing right now is the fulfillment of this prophecy and everything is inverted. You know, and a lot of people started to put this together over the past few years. But who is the God of Israel? Well, it's Yahweh. And what will happen in the end times, according to the Jewish eschatology, it's basically that, what do they have to do?↗

55:02@sethianmanThey have to rebuild the third temple. They have to declare the Moshiach, the Messiah. They have to return to the land of Israel, which was Canaan, the Canaanites. They say that it's named after the son of Noah, Canaan, but I have a hard time with that because it's clearly connected to Cain, clearly. And so what happens in the end?↗

55:30@sethianmanWell, they have to rebuild that temple, they have to bring everybody back, and they have to kill... And I believe they have inverted the truth. And I'm not saying we're going to get rid of all these people or anybody getting rid of any people. But the fear, the fear is that in worshiping this god of chaos, people will figure it out and they'll come after us.↗

55:56@sethianmanAnd so the best thing we can do is say, you worship. The God of Chaos. Samael descended into Cain, who descended into Asaph, who descended into the Western world and created the Romans. But I believe it's actually the inverse. The seed was preserved through the matriarchal structure of Judaism, of this ethnostate, of this religion.↗

56:19@sethianmanAnd ultimately, that's what we're witnessing. We're witnessing something that was told Anu and Enlil in the Sumerian. is essentially Uranus and Kronos, who is Yaldabaoth and Yahweh. So I've been talking for almost about an hour now, but I'll just open it up for questions. I really appreciate Ian and Joanne for having me.↗

56:42@sethianmanI don't normally speak on these things, but I got connected with Ian and Joanne, and you guys have such wonderful spaces. And people ask me, well, how do we solve this problem? I thought about it a lot. People will say, well, if you just end Zionism, we'll solve the problem. Well, actually, I think it's much deeper. I believe that the worship of the God of chaos, of Yahweh, is what puts us in this position.↗

57:08@sethianmanAnd just very simply, you look at the Christian Zionists in America. If Christian Zionism died today, that would be the end of Israel. They know that. And that's why they killed Charlie Kirk. And that's why we're witnessing everything we're witnessing. And if people were to be able to put all this together, We just need to focus on Yeshua.↗

57:28@sethianmanYeshua is in the Quran. Or just take the concepts of Yeshua, of Jesus, and take them into your heart. Treating one another like you want to be treated. Everything that he taught is good. And I think that this idea of the Christian Zionism, it's what supports the modern state of Israel. I believe America, we all know this, has been conquered, has been captured.↗

57:54@sethianmanAnd that's why we're kind of like this, what did Netanyahu say? This golden calf that would be sucked dry or whatever. Well, by the way, that golden calf, the bull, that was Baal, Fior, right? That was Baal in the same pantheon. So they don't really go into that so much, but, oh, they're just worshiping this golden calf.↗

58:13@sethianmanAnd, you know, Moses came down and saw him. Actually, they were worshiping that Baal for a long time and many other gods in the pantheon. In fact, there were 365. 365 deities that you also find in the Kaaba, 365 gods that were allegedly smashed and destroyed. But I can't pull away from this unmistakable realization that the circumambulation of the Kaaba represents Saturn, the black cube, the circumambulation.↗

58:43@sethianmanAnd I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone here in terms of, oh, you're believing you're a bad person. I think what the Christian Gnostics believe is The Evil is Ignorance. By not researching things, by not having the gnosis and the knowledge, we will fall into this trap. And in doing that, we will live the archetypes of Cain, of Yaldabaoth, of rape, lies, murder, wandering, and city building.↗

59:10@sethianmanI'm not saying there's anything wrong with the city, but this idea that you can't live in the country, that we're going to take you away from nature, from beauty, that is another thing, another theme that keeps coming up. You look at kind of... You know what's happening today with the destruction of the family and OnlyFans and this latest Clancy trial and all these psyops.↗

59:28@sethianmanIt's to destroy the beauty and the nature of our origin. And so I hope you enjoyed what I was talking about today. I'm going to cite some sources at the end. I've got some great books for you you can find online. And thanks again, Ian, and everyone for listening to me.↗

59:45Ian MalcolmNo, that was spectacular. And I love... So many of the different spaces that we have, they take different flavors. When individuals come and they've got an idea that they want to share, they lay out what they're going to share. They then share that piece. They're then able to round it out and say, this is why I think what I do.↗

1:00:05Ian MalcolmI'm happy to have it challenged or perhaps supported. I love when an individual can come up and so eloquently and elegantly. Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:00:45Ian MalcolmA rather well-supported position of what would be the benefit to the group that does often subvert things. How might they have done it? What would they have been essentially glossing over? And why would we have the disconnect today? And we know the disconnect, right? Because we see the exact same disconnect via Vatican II, the Schofield Bible, Christian Zionism, all of the retelling of religion, right?↗

1:01:08Ian MalcolmSo it's reasonable to then go back... and look at some of these other elements. And I'm going to be very curious. I know we've got a lot of really wonderful speakers up here with some questions and comments. Maybe the best place to start is just going to be with Miss Joanne, get her temperature, then we're going to go down to the major and then check in with Dr. Rechtenwald, who I know in a prior space had mentioned that he had been thinking about some of these very same subjects.↗

1:01:32Ian MalcolmSo, Joanne, any thoughts here?↗

1:01:36@joann_marieNo, Ian and Seth, that was amazing. And yeah, no, I do sort of believe in some of those things. I never liked the Old Testament. I became agnostic for a while because I was like, what is happening with the Old Testament? Like, God is omnipotent. Why is the God of the Old Testament completely different from the New Testament?↗

1:02:01@joann_marieLike, that's insane, you know, like... So I stopped believing in it, but then when the genocide began, I became super religious. No, not super religious. I became religious again. I'm Catholic, and I also have weird Catholic beliefs that not all Catholics share, so I have my own version of it. But no, it's amazing. So I learned so much, and I'm going to...↗

1:02:29@joann_marieLook into it. And these spaces are so cool because we just share ideas. We're not saying that this is the truth or we're right. No, we're just sharing stuff. So no, it was great. So thank you so much. And also, guys, please repost the space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Forti and everybody on the panel.↗

1:02:50@joann_marieSo no, excellent, excellent. Thank you so much, Seth. Forti, go for it.↗

1:02:56@allegedly_fortiYeah, thanks. That was very interesting there, Seth. And I've been trying to kind of learn more about Gnosticism in my own spiritual journey here. So I have a question for you. To my understanding, which again is very limited, especially compared to yours, but Gnosticism is sort of, there is Christian Gnosticism, but it kind of exists in a bit outside of Christianity in general, or outside the Abrahamics to an extent.↗

1:03:22@allegedly_fortiSo my understanding was that the demiurge wasn't really— I can see the comparison to Satan, but that it's a whole separate entity. It's not the— I never made the exact connection that that would be the Satan of the Abrahamic religions. It was more so that the demiurge was not necessarily— well, kind of like a false god, but a misleading god, and maybe even a confused and dim-witted god at that.↗

1:03:51@allegedly_fortiBut are you saying that that is the Abrahamic Satan, or is there a difference between the two?↗

1:03:59@sethianmanYes, so I believe that there's a little bit of a confusion because when people say the word Satan, I believe that that essentially goes back to Saturn, Cronus, but there's an upper and a lower Satan, right? There is a Yaldabaoth, so... You may be familiar with hermetic principles or you've heard of that. As above, so below, that's the most common one.↗

1:04:25@sethianmanBut there's a whole list of hermetic principles you can look up. And I believe everything in this world is kind of a duality or a mirror of itself, right? So if you have the monad and what Yeshua calls Abba or Father in Aramaic, when you pray to the Holy Father, don't say Yahweh, call Him Father. Just like Iesua did. And in my opinion, they're a mirror of each other.↗

1:04:53@sethianmanThe upper and lower devil, the Yaldabaoth, the Son of Chaos, who is Ouranus in the Greek, Timaeus, and is also Kaelas and Saturn in the Roman pantheon, is essentially a mirror reflection of the Monad and Iesua. Iesua The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

1:05:22@sethianmanStrange↗

1:05:47@sethianmanEverything I said today is not speculation. You can look these up in these texts. You can read it. So I'm not giving my opinion as much as I'm citing these texts and I'm pulling it all together in what they call syncretizing it or drawing the conclusions. But just like you have this upper and lower demiurge, the father and the son, with the archetype of rape, lies, murder, wandering.↗

1:06:12@sethianmanLook at those, and Iesua says you can judge them by their fruits, but what are the fruits? Are they these wanderers who lie, who murder, who rape, and then accuse you of doing it, right? And do the inversion. That is that archetype. The other archetype is the father, so Iesua says in John 8, 4, 4, and this is misinterpreted by I think every Christian Zionist and many Christians,↗

1:06:42@sethianmanYou belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He's talking about the son of chaos, Ialdabaoth. I guess that would be the grandfather in this case. Their father is Cain, who is Yahweh. And that text, the Secret Book of John, the Apocryphon of John, that's less than 100 years old, was discovered in 1945 in Egypt by a shepherd's boy who threw a rock into a cave and heard some pottery break, and they carbon dated these texts, right?↗

1:07:11@sethianmanto thousands of years ago. They are authentic texts. Now, you can debate whether or not the veracity of them or they're true or not, but Yeshua goes on to say, he was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.↗

1:07:29@sethianmanThat is Yahweh, that is the father of Judaism. And I believe that the reflection where you have the upper and lower demiurge, you also have the heavenly father, Abba, The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

1:07:45@sethianmanStrange↗

1:08:09@sethianmanis translated all the way from Aramaic. I saw Netanyahu say, oh, he spoke Hebrew. And then a priest corrected and said, that's actually Aramaic. It goes back to Aramaic, which then goes to Greek.↗

1:08:18Speaker 1That was the Pope.↗

1:08:20@sethianmanThe Pope, yeah. I love that. I love that when he corrected him because that was a real... You know, they're trying to lie and blur these lines. But if you're an academic, if you're a scholar, if you're just a guy who's interested, a guy or gal who's interested, go and read these texts that I'm sharing with you and make your own conclusions based on reality, based on...↗

1:08:39@sethianmanHow people act, how you judge them. And ultimately, we should have love in our hearts for each other. We should care for each other. What's going on right now? It doesn't make any sense. It almost feels supernatural. How is all this happening? We can't talk about it. Or if we do talk about it, we're in big, big trouble, right?↗

1:08:57@sethianmanCould be deported. Or go to jail for denying the Holocaust or for asking questions, just asking questions, right? It's not that we have hate in our hearts. We have love in our hearts. That's how we got I believe that everything's a mirror. So the mirror of the upper demiurge and the lower demiurge. And you can find this again in esoteric texts.↗

1:09:27@sethianmanThere's a great book called Saturn's Juice. And you can find that on the Internet Archive. It goes into... The origin of Saturn and how that connects to the Kabbalah. And if you're familiar with Kabbalah, you know the Tree of Life, you know that it has two components, an upper and a lower, again, mirroring this upper and lower demiurge.↗

1:09:45@sethianmanAnd you'll hear, like, for example, the leader of Chabad Lubavitch, or now deceased, was believed to be the Messiah, Rabbi Mendel Schneerson, say, you know, the Gentile soul is part of this lower realm. H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

1:10:07@sethianmanStrange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:10:31Ian MalcolmWell, wonderfully stated. Forti, any thoughts or follow-up there? And if not, we'll go down to Mr. Major.↗

1:10:39@allegedly_fortiNo, no, I'm good for right now. That cleared up some of it. And I'm definitely interested in just hearing more and hearing what other questions and stuff come up. But I really appreciate you coming up to this space and doing this. And I just ask everybody to keep an open mind. I know it does trigger some people. But I think that it's not so much questioning people's faith, it's asking you to go deeper into it, is the way that I interpret Gnosticism and all of this, and that the Abrahamic religions didn't exist in a bubble.↗

1:11:08@allegedly_fortiThese are compounding truths that have been passed down through all kinds of civilizations, through time and space. And I think that it's important to get down to the root of them and to really explore it In that sense, and not that it's just exist in a bubble, but that there have been people who have been seeking the truth and seeking God and seeking, you know, the righteousness throughout, you know, different civilizations and time and everything.↗

1:11:36@allegedly_fortiSo it should be a combination of everything that they found is where my spiritual journey is taking me. I can only speak for myself, but I appreciate this insight. Thank you.↗

1:11:48Ian MalcolmYeah, and Fort Worth would welcome any and all, both The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:12:21Ian MalcolmWell, then just watch how swiftly we deal with the Jewish supremacists when they try to undermine our ideas in these spaces. And I mean, the reason that perhaps the jujitsu of so many of us that are up here on the panel is so effective is because we've just done the reps, right? We've had those conversations. We always welcome them.↗

1:12:42Ian MalcolmWe don't try to create an echo chamber. We just... Dr. Rectimald↗

1:13:07@marcionite144adHey Ian, how's it going? And Sethian, our viewpoints align like 100%, bro. It's obvious that you've discovered the spirit, you've adopted it, and you're a true Christian. There's no doubt about it. It's funny, Jewish law states that if one single verse or word within a document is determined to be a lie, they have to throw out the entire document as testimony.↗

1:13:31@marcionite144adThe entire Old Testament is one big... Jewish comic book of lies and deceptions that has been created in order to create a form of nationalist tribalism that's bloodthirsty and genocidal. At the fall of the very first temple, the Jews escaped in all different directions, but a large portion of them escaped to the island of Elephantine.↗

1:13:56@marcionite144adAnd from 597 to 410 BCE, They wrote thousands and thousands of papyri that have been discovered and have been reviewed and they've poured through them. And the funniest thing about them is that nowhere in these papyri do the Jews make it clear that they're aware of anybody by the name of Jacob, Noah, Abraham, Solomon, Moses.↗

1:14:19@marcionite144adThey simply didn't exist. What's also funny is they built a temple. They wrote to Jerusalem. They were in communication with the priest class in Jerusalem who gave them the authority to build a temple on Elephantine.↗

1:14:36@marcionite144adThe term Moses, it wasn't uttered for the first time. The first time the name Moses was ever uttered, I think it was 320 BCE by Hecateus.↗

1:14:51@marcionite144adIn the Middle Ages, Judaism was created right around this time, 320 BCE, and it just so happened to coincide with the Alexander the Great movement. Alexander, when he conquered these nations, he didn't do like the Syrians did, flay them and pull their skin and cut out their eyes. He used basically what America uses today, which is this form of...↗

1:15:14@marcionite144adIt's almost like a globo-homo type that compels you with theater and music and culture. It was considered to be the very first cultural revolution under Alexander the Great. And what he did is he built the Library of Alexandria where he brought all these religions into a single library. That's where the Tanakh was first discovered.↗

1:15:35@marcionite144adWhere basically every idea, every religion from every culture, they would come together in these areas and they would... FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:16:13@marcionite144adAll parts of the world, basically. And they rewrote the stories to make it seem as if they had this great story where they've been victims and chosen by God in order to conquer the world. And basically, it's all a bunch of bullshit. There's no historical, there's no archaeological evidence to prove any of the shit that they claim.↗

1:16:35@marcionite144adExcuse my language. Like I said, Moses, Jacob, all these people, they weren't even heard of before 320 BCE. They made it up whole cloth. Judaism, it's a genocidal religion, and they created it in order to hold the tribe together and to basically...↗

1:17:00@marcionite144adThe very basis of Zionism is based upon Yahweh's promise to Jacob. He says to Jacob, ask me and I will make the nations your inheritance, the end of the earth your possession. This is the very deal, like Sethian said, the very deal that Satan tried to make with Jesus. And then he says, you know, from the cities of these people, which Yahweh, your God, has promised you as an inheritance, do not let anything that breathes remain alive.↗

1:17:28@marcionite144adYou shall surely annihilate them, just as Yahweh, your God, has commanded you. I mean, this is like, you know, if you know Jesus, you know the God of Jesus, you know that this spirit, this is not, you know, this is not Jesus' spirit in these words. This is not the God of Jesus' spirit. Even, you know, the words of Moses.↗

1:17:47@marcionite144adWhen Moses, what verse was it? In Numbers 31, Moses tells his tribesmen to finish off all the women. This is like after they had conquered one of their neighbors and taken a bunch of people as slaves. Moses tells his tribesmen to finish off all the women and children, but keep all the virgins as sex slaves. I mean, obviously, this is not a man who has discovered the spirit of Jesus or his father.↗

1:18:15@marcionite144adThis is like a very genocidal, bloodthirsty spirit that the character Moses has adopted. What's important to understand when reading the Bible, the only way to read the Bible really is to read it from the point of view that this God, the Satan, the demiurge, this evil character that they're speaking of in there is the God of the Old Testament.↗

1:18:35@marcionite144adOnce you go back and you start reading like John again, from this point of view, it all makes sense. It all becomes clear. You really start to feel the spirit of the word. In John 17, 18, Jesus teaches that no one has ever seen...↗

1:18:52@marcionite144adThe true God of Jesus. Yet Yahweh is described as being a man of flesh and bone. Moses sees Yahweh's back in Exodus 33. Yahweh walks with Adam and Eve in the garden. Isaiah is said to have seen Yahweh sitting on his throne. Ezekiel the same, said to have seen Yahweh sitting on the throne. This is a human character. That's why they say Jacob wrestled with God and won.↗

1:19:17@marcionite144adFor all of the Hebrews' history, they've always gravitated towards the darker gods. During their time in Egypt, the Exodus story, for one, is just a complete horse squeeze. The true story of Exodus was, at that time, they were Canaanite tribesmen. They weren't even a nation, and they were worshiping their 300, 200, whatever gods that all happened to be with the same woman, Asherah, which is funny.↗

1:19:44@marcionite144adI mean, think about that. For a second. But at the time, we're talking about 1600 BCE. Egypt was a full kingdom. And the top of the kingdom was basically where the Nile Delta enters into Africa. And it was a major port of trade. So it was kind of multicultural. They allowed anybody from anywhere to come there and settle there.↗

1:20:09@marcionite144adand the Hebrews and the Canaanites at that time were, you know, they took advantage of this and they settled there over, you know, periods of hundreds and hundreds of years. And then they, you know, they coordinated, they conspired with their other fellow Canaanites back in Canaan, which is basically modern day Israel, to all get together one day and invade Egypt.↗

1:20:28@marcionite144adAnd they basically, they managed to conquer Egypt all the way down to the Middle Kingdom. And they held it for, I think it was about 100 years. But then within a period of a week, The Egyptians basically routed them out and sent them running off all the way out into Babylon, above Syria. And at that time, they talk about Moses split the Red Sea in order for the Hebrews to escape.↗

1:20:53@marcionite144adAt that time, Egypt controlled both sides of the Red Sea, so they would have been escaping out of Egypt into Egypt. The story, it doesn't make sense. On top of that, if there was hundreds of thousands of people moving through the desert, there would be some type of archaeological evidence, a campfire, something left in the desert where this massive mound of people had passed through.↗

1:21:13@marcionite144adThere's nothing there. Archaeologists have been pouring through and looking and looking. They can't find anything. It's all a bunch of horse squeeze. You know, Judaism is just, it's a plot to control the world. Like I said, the very basis of Zionism is this Yahweh promise to Jacob. And Jesus, in fact, he calls Yahweh Satan.↗

1:21:36@marcionite144adAnd when Jesus says, when he goes to identify Satan, he says, now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear's and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, throne, and great authority to rule. And then in Hosea, Yahweh describes himself. He says, Therefore I am unto them like a lion, as a leopard, and I will watch them by the way.↗

1:22:02@marcionite144adI will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend and claw their heart. And therefore I will devour them like a lioness, like a wild beast I shall tear them. This is Yahweh describing himself. That's why Jesus spoke in parables, is he couldn't come right out and tell the Jews, hey, you're worshiping Satan.↗

1:22:19@marcionite144adYou've been led astray. You're worshiping a false God. He had to speak in parables because he wanted to basically speak long enough to try and get his message across before they eventually came right out and killed him. All throughout the Bible, Jesus makes clear delineations between his God and this Old Testament God.↗

1:22:40@marcionite144adAnd when Jesus was talking to the Jews about their father in the desert, they say, our father gave us true manna from heaven to eat while we were in the desert. And Jesus says to them, surely Moses didn't give you true manna from heaven, but my father, on the other hand, does give you true manna from heaven. So Jesus is making clear delineation between his God, the God that was revealed only through Jesus, and the God of the Hebrews.↗

1:23:08@marcionite144adJesus says, all the prophets that came before me FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:23:35@marcionite144adIt's slipping my mind right now, but the Hebrews, they liked it so much, they adapted it to their own phonetics and called themselves Heberus, which is now recognized as modern-day Hebrews. So in the very term, Hebrew means robber, thief. In order to understand what's taken place and how this priest class, this Saturn cult priest class has taken over Christianity and hijacked it.↗

1:24:00@marcionite144adWhat you got to understand is that, you know, there was an original, there was original gospel. And this gospel was preached by Paul. And Paul, you know, throughout all his travels and all the churches that he founded, you know, he collected money throughout his travels. He deposited all that wealth into his original church of Jerusalem, which the bishop there was Marcus.↗

1:24:21@marcionite144adWell, Marcus recognized that the Saturn cult priest class in Rome was trying to pervert the gospel. They were trying to basically drag Christians back into the law of Moses. In the original Bible, Jesus says that I came to destroy the law. Well, they were trying to drag Christians back into the law by trying to basically preach a law-oriented gospel.↗

1:24:40@marcionite144adWell, what Marcus did is he discovered a shipping captain, a guy who actually owned a whole shipping company, Marcion. whose father was also a direct disciple of Jesus. His name is one of the disciples in Luke Acts, one of the 70. He discovers this guy and he tells him, look, I want you to take, this is the gospel, the only true gospel.↗

1:25:02@marcionite144adI want you to take it to Rome and say that you represent the original church of Jerusalem and this is the gospel as it should be taught. So he gave Marcion all this wealth that Paul had collected, the 200 and something thousand surgeses, gave it to him. And so Marcion took that money, took it to Rome and deposited it in their bank so that he could say, I'm an official emissary of the Church of Jerusalem.↗

1:25:26@marcionite144adWell, because Rome... Rome was so Saturn-oriented. I mean, like, you got to understand, you know, for Rome, you know, God, Saturn was so important to them because all of Rome's wealth was held in a temple to Saturn. And so if you stole from the government, if you stole their money, you were stealing from God. So, you know, for them, this new upstart, this new religion that was, you know, growing like wildfire, they didn't like this aspect that they were teaching that Saturn, El,↗

1:25:58@marcionite144adH1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:26:23@marcionite144adAnd after Marcion left Rome, he went off into the deserts of Arabia and started basically setting up churches and schools there, which also began to grow like wildfire. It was the original Christian movement. Paul says, if anybody tries to teach you a gospel other than the one I preach, they should be cursed by God. Well, if you notice, Paul's gospel isn't included in the modern-day Bible.↗

1:26:44@marcionite144adAnd so what this priest class did is they started writing against Marcion. They had, you know, people that wrote entire books and novels against Marcion in order to try and, you know, argue that he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's a Gnostic. He's a this, he's a that. But still, the people there, they recognize, you know, the true spirit of Christ.↗

1:27:02@marcionite144adThey recognize, you know, that these... It was 320 BCE, right around there.↗

1:27:30@marcionite144adDr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

1:27:57@marcionite144adThere's a good reason why they chose that 66 books to make up their new Bible. Because to them, 66 is every single...↗

1:28:11@joann_marieI love what you're saying, but we do have a lot of hands.↗

1:28:14@marcionite144adOkay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. But I'll finish with this. If you look at Saturn, you look at its North Pole, there's a hex octagon there. And if you look in there, the Star of David has been composed out of the geometry of Saturn's North Pole. And that's why you see two triangles on Israel's flag, one pointed up, one pointed down, supposed to represent as above, so below.↗

1:28:34@marcionite144adWell, each angle of that triangle is 60 degrees. So when you're looking at it, it's 666 Thank you so much, Major.↗

1:29:10@joann_marieDr. Michael Richtengold, welcome.↗

1:29:14@rectheregimeHey, how are you doing? Good night. How are you? How is everybody? Good. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Enjoying the discussion, listening to Marcian and before him, Sethian. Very uniform, very interesting. I'm just a student of, you know, secularism, actually. The interesting thing is that the Marcionites and the Gnostics, who are not the same, by the way, they're both addressing a problem.↗

1:29:56@rectheregimeAnd that problem really might be understood as the problem of evil, frankly. And the explanation given for the problem of evil By the account, the Judaized version of Christianity is that, in fact, God didn't create this evil. He simply gave you free will and you chose it and something like that. But the Gnostics, and I don't know to what extent the Marcionites also hold this view.↗

1:30:34@rectheregimeFrom what I understand, from the Gnostic standpoint, The problem is that the creator of the material world, the demiurge, is wicked and is evil. So that's how the Gnostics solved the so-called problem of evil, which is not to say, why is there evil in the world? It's why is there pain, suffering, evil, all that together.↗

1:31:03@rectheregimeThat's what the problem of evil really means. It's a problem that's been addressed by great minds throughout time. I mean, there was William Blake, his poem, The Tiger. Now, people have argued that Blake, William Blake, the 18th, 19th century British romantic poet, I think the greatest poet who's ever written in the English language, his poem, The Tiger, if you've ever read it, is really worth a read.↗

1:31:32@rectheregimeYou see, asked in that poem, Tiger, Tiger, burning bright in the forest of the night, what dread hand and what dread might there frame thy fearful symmetry? The point being, and then he asked in the next stanza, did he who made the lamb make thee? So there seems to be two different gods here. The one is the god of love, and the other is the god of wrath.↗

1:31:58@rectheregimeAnd this is a story that's been taken up many times. There's a cult classic in the early 1970s called The Ruling Class where Peter O'Toole played the main character who's a British aristocrat in the royal lineage and thinks he's Jesus until they persecute him so much that he turns into the God of Wrath, the God of the Old Testament.↗

1:32:25@rectheregimeSo these two gods are not reconcilable in many ways. There's just so many differences. I mean, Jesus never used the word Yahweh. Now, I'm told that's because Jews didn't use the name of God like that. But I'm kind of curious that Jesus never used the word Yahweh. And he referred to God as a loving father. And that seems to me, now I understand maybe some people who know,↗

1:33:01@rectheregimeI don't know. I don't see it. I haven't seen that. So it seems to me that the God that Jesus is referring to, that he told us to pray to in what we call the Our Father,↗

1:33:29@rectheregimewas a God of mercy and love and forgiveness and not wrath and genocidal, maniacal hatred. I was a seminarian in high school. I went to the high school seminary. I was a Catholic seminarian in a Capuchin monastery, in effect, 14 years old. And I remember we had to go to morning prayer every day and mass and night prayer.↗

1:33:57@rectheregimeI remember 10 hours of silence at night, but I remember listening to the readings. They read in the Catholic Church the Old Testament reading and then the New Testament reading, usually. Now, in many of these evangelical churches, it's almost all Old Testament, but that's an aside. The point being that I remember thinking, there's something wrong here because these Old Testament readings↗

1:34:28@rectheregimebooks, they sound like maniacs. Kill this, slaughter them, help us God, cut their heads off. It seemed to me to be just pure genocidal lust and mania. And I couldn't figure out how that could be reconciled with what I understood to be Christianity and what Jesus said, which to me is epitomized mostly by what we now call the Sermon on the Mount.↗

1:34:55@rectheregimewhich includes the Beatitudes, which I consider to be the ethical heart of Christianity. Anyway, I'll just leave it at that. These are some of the things that I think about. And I consider myself stick in a sort of Orthodox Christian in a sense that... I don't know. I'm not adjudicating these questions. What the connection is, whether like Jesus is the...↗

1:35:26@rectheregimeis prefigured literally in the bible or not in the old testament i don't know uh i mean they say he is for sure but is that a back reading anyway there was in the night i'll just end with this quote in the 19th century uh there was a movement called uh well it was a movement of of of atheists and infidels as they called them↗

1:35:52@rectheregimeIn the 19th century, if you didn't believe in the Bible, if you didn't believe in God, you were an infidel. So this guy wrote, and he got arrested for this, he wrote, That revolting, odious Jew production called Bible has been for ages the idol of all sorts of blockheads, the glory of knaves and the disgust of wise men.↗

1:36:16@rectheregimeIt is a history of lust, sodomies, Charles Southwell, 1841↗

1:36:48@rectheregimein a book called, in a magazine called The Oracle of Reason. I'll end it there. Thanks.↗

1:36:57@joann_marieThank you so much, Dr. Michael. And yeah, no, I loved everything you said. All right. Oh, Sethian, do you want to add anything or should I go to more hands?↗

1:37:08@sethianmanSure. Yeah, I have a few thoughts and I thought it was really great. What Dr. Rechtenwald said and also a Major, you're a walking lexicon of knowledge. You really shared so much and I just wanted to say two things on what Major said real quick and also I agree with everything what Michael just said 100% because you can't rectify them.↗

1:37:38@sethianmanHow can you rectify this message of smashing infants against rocks and murder and take the women for yourself to rape them. These are the atrocities that we're watching stream live in 4K in 2026. It's thousands of years old. It's just repeating itself. You can't deny it. If you're denying it, you're either part of the Hasbara and the lie or you're delusional.↗

1:38:04@sethianmanLet's be honest. Facts are facts. But just to go back to what Major said, you know what happened to the Library of Alexandria? It burnt down. And we're seeing a lot of fires lately. A lot of fires. I wonder how those fires started. It actually goes back to Samson and this idea we saw. There was a story allegedly, or I guess I'm pretty sure it was proven, there were some cats whose tails were lit on fire.↗

1:38:29@sethianmanAnd that's an ancient way of starting these fires. And I just wanted to add to the Saturnian element of Rome that in the temples of Rome, they wore a hat called the Palaeus, the Saturnian Palaeus. And I believe that that is the origin of the kippah, of the yarmulke.↗

1:38:55@joann_marieDid he cut out or did he land it?↗

1:38:58@sethianmanNo, he... Oh, sorry. I just, yeah, that was it. Just wanted to end on the yarmulke part. There's a lot of culture that has carried over from that. You think about, you know, the idea of the ring. We exchanged the vows in the ring. Saturn ruled over what they call the Golden Age. And why is all of a sudden Trump talking about a Golden Age?↗

1:39:20@sethianmanHe's referencing the Saturnian... So I just wanted to agree with what Major was saying, that there's this concept of physicality, of the physical God, the guy that Jacob wrestles with, the God of wrath, like Michael said, and then the mirror of that, the non-physical, unknowable God. And I think, you know, if you're listening to this, whether you agree with what I'm saying or not, you can look into your heart and you can know what sounds like truth.↗

1:39:50@sethianmanAnd also, Aside from the faith component, the Christian component, just look at the texts, right? Just read all these texts, read all this information, read the Timaeus by Plato, go into the Greek and Roman pantheon and mythos, and you'll see that this is a theme that is syncretized. Like Major said, it goes all the way back to Sumeria, and whether you're talking about Anu and Enlil, Uranus and Kronos, Yaldabaoth and Yahweh, the story just keeps repeating.↗

1:40:18@sethianmanAnd in 2026, you can see it.↗

1:40:20@joann_marieI will look into it. Thank you so much, Seth. All right, let's go to the next hand. Raed, brother, how are you?↗

1:40:32@thelevantinemanI'm good. I'm good. Thanks, Joanne, Ian. Just another beautiful space. This one is pretty fatty, I would say, like proper. The ones that, you know, get you listening and... The full brain working. And Seth, thank you. Look, we have in common, I would say, that I also... Look, I'm Lebanese. And by the way, yes, we still call what you guys call Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Yeshua al-Masih.↗

1:41:10@thelevantinemanThe only difference is in Aramaic, there is a letter that you pronounce from the throat, the A letter. Maybe, yeah, hopefully, you know, Monday, God knows, we'll meet, you know, we'll get to pronounce it. Yeah, I love that, by the way. And also, what I love about everything that you said, and you mentioned something that I really identified with when you said, I really don't...↗

1:41:43@thelevantinemantalk about these things a lot. And 100%, when we go on this kind of journey, searching for these things, unpacking them for the lies from the truth, and it's such a spiritual journey, the more you venture into the truth, the less people around you you can discuss them with. And look, I've had that. I mean, And you said you're analytical.↗

1:42:15@thelevantineman100%, I do believe if God and that creation we're in, if things do not make sense in one's sense of reason and logic, it doesn't. Going back to the Old Testament, I grew up in Beirut. And in Lebanon, we have officially three official religions and 18 official sects, seven Christian, five Muslim. And of course, there's Judaism and all of that.↗

1:42:57@thelevantinemanSo we're always and we all look alike and speak the same way. And you can't differentiate. When you grow up a little bit, you start differentiating by the surnames like this family. He's probably Sunni. This family is Shia or this family is Orthodox or Maronites or, you know, all that. But so I remember from young age, you know, early teens, I would push back against religious people on both sides.↗

1:43:26@thelevantinemanAnd so I've always had this in mind. And my parents were the kind of... I've always had this questioning thing. Now around↗

1:44:04@thelevantineman2016, I really decided, because I had been researching everything, and being in Lebanon, you know who the bad guys are. You understand what Israel is, you dig into this religion of theirs, and you're very primed for that, right? But then, when I realized that these people worship Satan, It was very clear to me. And I remember watching the starting ceremony of the CERN thing and seeing all these political leaders sitting in a show before opening the CERN and all the, what do you call it, like the...↗

1:44:52@thelevantinemanThe dancing and the artwork. It was satanic as hell. And then I think I stumbled upon... That wasn't the opening of CERN.↗

1:45:00@natnewsnetworkSorry, I have to correct you there. What was it? That was the opening of a tunnel that was prior to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Related to that, right? No, that was completely unrelated. That was a debunked internet mystery. Okay, thanks.↗

1:45:17@thelevantinemanIt's good to see that you're still around, dude. We were talking about you a couple of days ago. Anyway, I'll come back to that. Anyway, so once you realize that the world is run by these people who worship Satan. Then it is very dark. I remember it was dark times. And who do you sit down and talk to? They're not going to think you're a lunatic.↗

1:45:40@thelevantinemanYou know what I mean? So it gets lonelier and lonelier. Right? So I had to venture into serious, many hours research. If God is there, what is it about? But I've always instinctively believed in the... In the story of Christ. But I always had this critical mind, like maybe because I was primed to it. Maybe because, you know, my grandma took us to church.↗

1:46:12@thelevantinemanSo everything was up in question. Now, because there's a lot to say, but I see hands and I don't want to take a long time. First of all, thank you for all that presentation. Thank you for the courage of putting out what you have on your mind out there. Thank you for being a man of faith and calling Yeshua. Yeshua is so beautiful to hear because also during the research, other than understanding that the people who put Yeshua on the cross did not finish there.↗

1:46:50@thelevantinemanThey had so much power. So my critical thinking was like, all right, so how did the message go about? And then I had to look into Paul, found out from which family, where in Tartus in Syria was he from? So I went through all that, you know, all that in an unbiased sort of academic... way to unpack things because it was it was dark times thank god today you know i think we we i'm almost with the same with you and and understanding things and knowing that and it is crazy look for anyone that is listening i would say the universe or whatever the creation we exist in however you see it or you describe it or you view it↗

1:47:44@thelevantinemanIf you seek God, He will guide you, right? You'll be guided. If you sincerely seek, you'll be guided. That's one. And two, no one is going to... God is not looking to see if you visit the church on Sunday or if you go to mosque five times a day. God knows what's in your heart. So... Thanks for that. I'll raise my hand again because there's more to say, but I don't want to keep people waiting.↗

1:48:17@thelevantinemanBut thanks, Ian, again for this beautiful conversation. I think it is very important to unpack these things with courage and where people get pissed off. It's just the way it is. I've faced it all my life. Yeah, but sometimes when... When there is a seed of questioning in someone's mind, this is what the beautiful thing is about it.↗

1:48:41@thelevantinemanAnd Seth said, you know, I'm not here to teach you everything. I'm just here to guide you in a certain direction. And it's up to you whether you want to go investigate more. I just want to ask you a question, Seth. In the Aramaic languages or the Greek languages, when you say Marcionites, Would you would you know and like so that's obviously you're using the English language but what would the name be if I want to look on my side of the world for that person back then what do you reckon would be the common name used in the area and the Levant before you know then so from to make it easier for me to find the details because I'm not going to go to fucking Wikipedia right so yeah go ahead↗

1:49:29@natnewsnetworkMarkion of Sinope, that was his name.↗

1:49:33@thelevantinemanOkay, but that's how he's Latin, right? And so back then, what was the language that was spoken? Like, how would people introduce him back then when he was alive?↗

1:49:46@marcionite144adMarcian was a title that wasn't actually his real name. It means little Marcus. It was given to him to show that he was a representative of Marcus, the original bishop of the Church of Jerusalem that Paul founded. Marcus is, I guess, the short version of it. Marcus. Okay. All right. All right. Thanks. That's all.↗

1:50:08@joann_marieThank you so much, Ryan. That was beautiful. Yeah, go for it, Seth.↗

1:50:12@sethianmanI was just going to say... It's crazy today because now everything you search is, you know, I listened to Space last night with Ian and Joanne, all you guys, and it was great. And you guys were talking about, I'm nervous, nervous to look this stuff up because now it's going to be tied to my name and someone's going to track me.↗

1:50:32@sethianmanAnd maybe you stumble onto some powerful truth and all of a sudden you're an enemy of maybe of the state even, right? And so... Yeah, Marcian of Sinope, I think Major got it perfectly, but he spoke, likely spoke Greek. And I'll give a quick shout out to some guys in our space here. I don't know if they're here tonight, but the uncensored.ai is a good one.↗

1:50:59@sethianmanI wouldn't recommend using chat GPT. So if you want to try it, that's definitely good. But you probably find his name in Greek and like Major said, Marcus in Greek.↗

1:51:12@joann_marieExcellent. Thank you so much, Seth. All right, Dan Singh, welcome. Go for it.↗

1:51:17@nikola1teslaHey, it's good to be here. I am learning so much and I appreciate all the things that everyone has said. My particular religious experience... I didn't have a lot of training when I was a kid. I went to different churches for summer Bible school to basically be babysat. So I learned from different churches what different ideology was about it, and some things differed.↗

1:51:42@nikola1teslaBut what really kind of bugged me about the Old Testament is you see things like the Ten Commandments saying, Thou shalt not kill, and the very next page says, Go smite the Philistines. All the horrific things that are in the Old Testament were brutal, absolutely brutal.↗

1:51:57@natnewsnetworkThou shalt not murder. That's a different story to interject here.↗

1:52:02@nikola1teslaOkay, sure. What I read was thou shalt not kill in the Bible that I was given. And so, like, you know, now that there's different interpretations and different translations and different ideas of what it means, it definitely makes sense now that it's not, you know, thou shalt not murder. But I literally saw thou shalt not kill.↗

1:52:23@nikola1teslaIn the Ten Commandments and then smiting the Philistines the following day or I'm sorry the following page it kind of did just it gave me a pause it gave me a lot of confusion about what was going on and you know as an adult I ended up becoming an English major so of course we had to study the Bible a lot and all the different things that influenced the Bible the the the epic of↗

1:52:46@nikola1teslaGilgamesh, the Sumerian story that includes things that were precursors to the Tree of Life and the story of Genesis creation. Adam being created from clay is similar to Gilgamesh having a friend being created from clay. And there's different pieces that are similar. They're not the same, but you can see how Judaism...↗

1:53:10@nikola1teslatook a lot of different pieces of the Sumerian stories and incorporated and used them as their own. So when it comes to who is the character of Satan, who is the character of a demon, who is the character of a terrible person, I never thought too much about Saturn being Lucifer. I thought about Lucifer being Venus, the morning star, because that's in a lot of our...↗

1:53:35@nikola1teslaA lot of our media and a lot of things that have been written. But what Seth has said about Saturn is very compelling and very intriguing. And I'm excited to kind of unravel the connections to look deeper into that because a lot of what he said really, really makes sense. And when it comes to the new law versus the old law, I definitely had some issues around...↗

1:54:03@nikola1teslaThings like, you know, Paul says in three different places that, you know, the old law is replaced by the new law and kind of talks about the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. But Jesus at one point said, you know, he didn't say that he was there to, like the law is dead or anything like that. What he said, allegedly, I don't know if he was misquoted, but he said, I am not here to overturn the law.↗

1:54:26@nikola1teslaI'm here to fulfill it. So I'm wondering... Is that something he would have said because he is, in the time he was speaking, you know, having to not really be clear about what he was doing? Or was he saying, I'm fulfilling the letter of the law in order to have the spirit of the law come to fruition? Because, you know, when I look at the Bible, I see these beautiful stories in the New Testament, things like the Good Samaritan, and even the Samaritan woman at the well, he has these...↗

1:54:57@nikola1teslaWhat we need to do is to make sure that we are good to people outside of the tribe, outside of who we are, because that is what humanity is and that's what...↗

1:55:44@nikola1teslaIt's definitely something that Jesus seems to not be involved with so much, the idea of a devil versus the idea of an Old Testament God. He has his fights with Satan and whatnot, but his message is, despite what... What may happen in the law despite what may happen, what we need to be is good to each other and the things that he said.↗

1:56:18@nikola1teslaAre holistically about regardless of whatever bad things happen to you, you have to be good to other people, be good to your neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and those types of things. My main question is when he said, I'm not here to overturn the law, I don't remember the exact words he used, but I'm not here to overturn the law, I'm here to fulfill it.↗

1:56:41@nikola1teslaWould he have potentially been misquoted? Am I misunderstanding that? Or would he maybe be saying that because he was in the process of trying to do what he needed to do without being, you know, like, can we trust things he's quoted as saying because he had to speak in parables and codes and whatnot? Is that a line that makes sense?↗

1:57:06@nikola1teslaAnd the actual line is, Jesus says, Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Is that a believable line to anybody that's already spoken?↗

1:57:18@marcionite144adCan I respond?↗

1:57:19@nikola1teslaFor sure.↗

1:57:21@joann_marieDancing. We have a special guest.↗

1:57:26@marcionite144adOkay, yeah.↗

1:57:27@joann_marieSorry. Seth, do you want to go for it?↗

1:57:32@sethianmanAbsolutely. I would just say, you know, Major has been spot on. So whatever he's going to say, you know, I'd love to hear it. I just wanted to, you know, what you're saying is, you know, why would he say it this way? Why can't he say it more plainly, right? And if you think you want a message to transcend time, if you say it very plainly in that day and that time, thousands of years ago, and you want it,↗

1:58:01@sethianmanIf you want a message to resonate with people forever, then you kind of have to speak in parable. You kind of have to speak in a way that can transcend all cultures and time. And you look at it and you go back and you say, aha, I see what it is. But just like Michelangelo, just like the painting in the Sistine Chapel where he's reaching out and touching God, you'll notice that they're not actually touching.↗

1:58:27@sethianmanYou have to reach out. and figure it out for yourself. It's not going to just happen. You have to search for it. You have to figure it out. So I think that part of the reason he spoke in parables and he said that is because the law was this law of man written by man. And it's alleged that it was God, but it wasn't the true God.↗

1:58:52@sethianmanIt was a God. And we're taught to think in Christianity, I guess you could say that There's only one God, but the reality is that I believe that there are many lesser gods. There is one monad, one pure consciousness at the top that distills down to all of us who manifested as Yeshua. But it goes also back to Yeshua on Matthew 12, 9, when he talks about the mule, that you're not going to just leave this mule.↗

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1:59:35@sethianmanStrange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man,↗

1:59:56@sethianmanLike in John 844 where he speaks very plainly and he just says your father is the father of lies is the murderer. So I think it goes, there are times when he speaks very plainly and he knows that we'll transcend. And there are times when it has to withstand the test of time, in my opinion.↗

2:00:13@nikola1teslaThank you. I appreciate that.↗

2:00:14@sethianmanOne other thing. I just wanted to add something real quick. I almost forgot. Saturn is mentioned in the Bible. Not a lot of people know this. It mentions, but it goes by a different name. It's in Amos 5.26. It's mentioned as Qiyan or Qiyan. Depends on which Bible you have. Qiyan comes from the Akkadian Qawan, which means Saturn.↗

2:00:42@sethianmanAnd the origin of the Sabbath coming from Shabbatai, again, means Saturn. So this concept does repeat itself, and if you do really look into the etymology, the origin of these words, where they come from, the cultures that they descend from, you'll find this theme keeps repeating that it is actually, and we say Saturn is actually, if you go back even further, it's going to be Cronus, right?↗

2:01:04@sethianmanIf you go back even further, it's going to be Enlil, right? From Anu, and Anu is the god of chaos. So Major spoke about it, but that syncretization, It does repeat itself. And if you have an open mind, you'll see these concepts repeating themselves over time.↗

2:01:23@nikola1teslaThank you. Thank you. I appreciate your unpacking all of that. Because trying to figure out how to interpret what Jesus said, it didn't really jibe with three different places that Paul said that believers died to the law through Christ. and that the law of commandments was contained in ordinances and that God made the first covenant obsolete, you know, three different places.↗

2:01:49@nikola1teslaHe was really, really clear about, you know, speaking about what Jesus did and what he was for and whatnot, and it was different from what they're quoting Jesus as saying. So I appreciate, you know, you talking about the way he was speaking in parables during his time, but, you know, as far as I'm concerned, Everything basically points to it's the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law, and this is what Christianity is all about.↗

2:02:13@nikola1teslaAnd anything that's in the Old Testament that's different kind of points to a very different God that the Jews are worshiping and that Jesus came to overturn that. So I really very much appreciate this space. There's a lot of information that really resonates with me. So thank you for being here, and I'll pass it on.↗

2:02:34@joann_marieThank you so much, Dancing. Yeah, go for it, Major.↗

2:02:39@marcionite144adThank you so much. Dancing, yes. I can drop a link in the blue pill where it'll show you all the original letters of Paul. The original letters were all, was it Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philippians. All the rest of them were basically fakes that they created in order to Judaize the words of Paul.↗

2:03:02@marcionite144adLuke is actually Paul's original gospel that they have Judaized in order to basically drag Christians back into the law. But there's still a lot of the spirit of the word that's still in there that's very anti-law, the way that it's oriented. And what is it? Luke 16, 16, for instance, he says, the law ended when John...↗

2:03:24@marcionite144adJohn the Baptist revealed the kingdom of heaven. And Luke 11, 52, he says, woe unto you lawyers, for you have taken away the kingdom of knowledge, basically gnosis. You enter not yourselves, and them that are entering you hinder, you try and hold back and hamstring. In the original Bible, Jesus says that I have come to, think not that I've come to fulfill the law, for I've not come to fulfill, but to destroy.↗

2:03:50@marcionite144adSo there's just so much of the modern Bible has been basically inverted and perverted in order to deceive Christians into worshiping the very God that Jesus identified as the devil. I'll drop that link into the blue pill there so you can take a look at it. All the original letters of Paul and they show you the old letters compared to the modern and how they basically perverted the word in order to deceive you into believing that Paul and everybody else was pro-law.↗

2:04:17@marcionite144adPro Yahweh. It's very disgusting what they've done, but the evidence is strikingly clear. Anyway, I'll leave it there.↗

2:04:25@sethianmanThank you so much. I just want to add something real quick, Joanna, if it's okay. You mentioned Venus on Friday, and if you syncretize Venus, who I believe is the Roman goddess, she's actually Asherah or Ashtoreth, who is the consort of Yahweh and the consort of Baal.↗

2:04:50@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much, Seth. Veritas, go for it.↗

2:04:58@natnewsnetworkHello, Joanne. Hi, Ian, Forti, Godfroy, Raed. Yeah, good to see you all.↗

2:05:08@natnewsnetworkI've heard a lot of heresy here today. First, I have to address the Martian knight here. Martian was a charlatan. He wasn't declared as a heretic for no reason, right? He tried to become the bishop of Rome when he was denied after the death of Hyginius. He tried to bribe himself into the position and then he was again refused and↗

2:05:43@natnewsnetworkAfter that, he started his anti-thesis and the Marcionite movement. He was rejected and I think there's a lot of heresy going on.↗

2:06:01@natnewsnetworkThe other claim was about Moses not being mentioned before the third century, which is definitely not true. Proto-Sinaitic rock carvings at Serebet El Kadim in the Egyptian desert that mentioned Moses. The first mention in books is by the Prophet Hosea with a preserved scroll from the 8th century BC. The other misconception that Hebrew meant thieves or something like that, now that it comes from the↗

2:06:42@natnewsnetworkA Semitic root of being beyond or across or from the other side. Also, that comes from the name Eber, which is mentioned in Genesis 10.21.↗

2:06:59@natnewsnetworkYeah, so many things I have to touch on here. It's kind of mind-blowing. So what you've basically heard all... All Night is Freemasonic Gnostic teachings, right? Most of that comes from Jewish sects, not from Christians. And yeah, it's basically exactly what the Freemasons are teaching, right? So be aware of that.↗

2:07:30@natnewsnetworkYou cannot separate the Old Testament from the New Testament. New Testament mentions the Old Testament directly by quotes 95 times, Psalms, Isaiah about 70 to 75 times. Not sure anymore. Deuteronomy is mentioned directly quoted 35 times. Overall, it's 4000 direct references of the Old Testament. And I think Tens of thousands of mentions of the Old Testament in general.↗

2:08:10@natnewsnetworkJesus, as someone said before, I think that was a lady that isn't here anymore. Yeah, he came to fulfill the law, right? Not to abolish it.↗

2:08:20@thelevantinemanSorry to interrupt you. I wanted to continue and apologize to you. Is this the view you follow organized religion? So is this the view of the... of the organized religion you're presenting or your own personal?↗

2:08:34@natnewsnetworkI was just stating facts here right now.↗

2:08:38@thelevantinemanOkay, okay. But you're a religious person?↗

2:08:44@natnewsnetworkI'm a Christian, yes.↗

2:08:46@thelevantinemanCatholic?↗

2:08:47@natnewsnetworkNo, I'm not. I cannot follow any institutionalized religion.↗

2:08:53@thelevantinemanSo that's what I wanted to know, if you follow organized religion or not, that's all.↗

2:08:57@natnewsnetworkNo, no, no. I'm a Christian. I've studied the Bible. I do not follow any institutionalized religion because it's all corrupted, be it Catholicism. Protestantism, especially when it comes to dispensationalism and millennialism. All these newer Protestants, especially the American Protestant offshoots, they are absolutely not rooted in the Bible.↗

2:09:33@natnewsnetworkBut Jesus said, before Abraham was, I am. So he's clearly referencing Abraham multiple times. Also, when he was talking to the Pharisees, he recognizes them as being from Abraham, just not through the line of David. So Jesus is directly referencing the Old Testament, the God Yahweh as his father. That's undeniable. But he doesn't say the name.↗

2:10:15@natnewsnetworkNo, that's true. What does the pictogram of Yahweh mean? Do you know that?↗

2:10:24@natnewsnetworkYod-Heh-Vav-Heh?↗

2:10:25@sethianmanYeah, Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh in Hebrew. It is essentially...↗

2:10:34@sethianmanIt essentially means the most, well, most Jews will refer to it as Hashem or the Most High because they don't want to use the name.↗

2:10:40@natnewsnetworkDo you know the pictograms of that? No, go ahead. Proto-Hebrew. That's an eye symbol, a hand symbol, another eye symbol, and a nail symbol. So it means behold the hand, behold the nail. A direct reference to Jesus. The whole Old Testament is foreshadowing.↗

2:11:02@sethianmanBut couldn't it be said that Couldn't it be said that it's the opposite? The nail is essentially going into Christ? That's God driving the nail?↗

2:11:15@natnewsnetworkGod drove the nail, basically, right? Because Jesus was the sacrifice, right?↗

2:11:21@sethianmanHe is the sacrificial lamb, isn't he? And this is something I want to talk about in my speech, is basically that you have this... This concept repeating from Cain and Abel. Cain sought to present his sacrifice to who you would call God, right? Who I would call the son of chaos, right? And it wasn't sufficient. And it wasn't sufficient.↗

2:11:48@sethianmanBut there is a Midrashic text that says the opposite, that it was accepted, that Cain's offering was accepted by the archons, by the spirits, and Essentially, this concept comes up again with Jacob and Esau, and that is the modern premise for the Judeo supremacy, I guess, if you will.↗

2:12:15@natnewsnetworkLet me touch on that here real quick, because I think there is a whole misconception. I condemn Judaism in its entirety. I'm fairly convinced, and I have a lot of historical proof for that, that the Jews of today are not the Israelites. They are not the ancient Hebrews. They are professing a completely different, twisted religion that is not rooted in the Old Testament.↗

2:12:45@natnewsnetworkAnd you can, when you look at the Talmud, you can see that over and over that they see themselves above God, right? They are arguing with God. They're outlawing God, basically, in many, many passages. So they see themselves above God, right? I think everyone has seen that video clip of Rabbi Shmuley where he says, God, I'm greater than you.↗

2:13:10@natnewsnetworkI am a Jew, right? So the whole concept of Judaism is fairly new. Everything that comes from Judaism is basically↗

2:13:24@natnewsnetworkThe first twisting of the teaching was post-exilic period in the Babylonian exile. So all of these teachings that the Jews incorporated into their scripture and into their rabbinic oral traditions comes from Babylon, right? Mesopotamian paganism.↗

2:13:52@natnewsnetworkThe whole concept of Jews being the Israelites is absolutely absurd, because when you look at Flavius Josephus' writings, he clearly states that the Jews are not the Israelites, that they were incorporated from Edomia into the Judean society under Herod, right? 73 BC. And prior to that, there was also some cultural exchange because Edom was directly next to Judea.↗

2:14:31@natnewsnetworkSo there was this cultural exchange. And when the antipater basically got himself involved in a Judean↗

2:14:45@natnewsnetworkHis son King Herod was appointed by the Roman Senate as the King of the Jews.↗

2:14:50Speaker 2That's basically also the origin and the reason why they called Jesus King of the Jews.↗

2:14:54@natnewsnetworkIt was a mocking because of Herod.↗

2:15:12@natnewsnetworkThe Jews of today are Arabs from Idumea that incorporated themselves into the Judean society, replaced the Judahite nobility, got rid of the Levite priesthood, of the Levite priest line, incorporated a voting system so they can vote in their own Pharisees, replacing the Levite priesthood. Judaism is completely separate from what the Old Testament teaches.↗

2:15:43@natnewsnetworkAnd you can clearly see that in their scriptures. And I'll end here.↗

2:15:50@sethianmanI'd like to just counter that real quickly, because for me, I struggled with these same things that Veritas is saying a lot before I kind of took my more scholarly journey into these texts and to not only reading into the Gnostic Christian texts, But I firmly disagree with this idea that it's Freemasonry and that this Gnostic, I guess, kind of like the Aleister Crowley, which came out of the Golden Dawn, which created the OTO, the...↗

2:16:23@sethianmanI forgot what that full name for it, but... Order Templi Orientis. Correct, yeah. That was this offshoot of the Golden Dawn over disputes within their organization So you have this Gnostic idea that's kind of going into the Freemasonry, which is the Prometheus kind of idea that actually the snake in the Garden of Eden is actually the god.↗

2:16:50@sethianmanAnd that in Freemasonry, what you'll find at the very top when you become a 32nd, 33 degree Scottish Rite Freemason is that they're actually worshipping essentially the devil. And they'll say that, the light of Lucifer, you can see that. But specifically, I would poke a hole in what you said here with three questions. Where was the first time Yahweh appeared in written text or in tablet?↗

2:17:15@sethianmanThis would be in 840 BCE, right?↗

2:17:20@natnewsnetworkAnd then when did... That was 1400 BCE. Okay, that's fine. Let's go with that. Mentioned on a pillar in Egypt.↗

2:17:31@sethianmanSure, let's go with that because Abraham... live from 1800 to allegedly 1500. So you're about 100 years short of the first mention of Yahweh. And then let me get to my third one, which is, did Yahweh exist in the ancient Israelite pantheon as a lesser deity? And is that, can you look that up through the Ugaritic text? Which you can.↗

2:17:53@sethianmanSo again, I understand where you're coming from.↗

2:17:56@natnewsnetworkYou can see El there, right? But that's an etymological misconception because El is a title, right?↗

2:18:06@sethianmanRight. But what I would say is that they were actually distinct gods. They were clearly distinct in the lore. And if you syncretize across... The Greek mythos, the Roman mythos, you go back all the way to the Sumerian mythos, which is kind of where, as old as you can get, you're going to find that there is a pantheon and that the ancient Israelites were polytheistic and that Yahweh is a lesser god in that pantheon.↗

2:18:36@sethianmanThat predated what you're talking about by thousands of years. And even if you went with your 1400 date, which I'll give you for the sake of scholarly argument, you're still off by 100 years before he died. So I don't think the timelines line up.↗

2:18:51@natnewsnetworkI agree on the timeline. I actually wrote an article about Abraham.↗

2:18:56@sethianmanSo I don't know how you can pull them together because you'd have to time travel to do that.↗

2:19:01@natnewsnetworkYeah, the Battle of Sedim is clearly documented by archaeology that is dated about 1600 to 1500 BC and that is described in the story surrounding Abraham. Abraham, in my opinion, comes from an Indo-Aryan offspring. and that is clearly indicated in the way he worships, right? Because in the Levantine regions, the altars were used for incense and the use of the altars Abraham did by the customs of his ancestors was a personal altar in the housing, right?↗

2:19:49@natnewsnetworkThat was a very typical treat of the Indo-Aryans, especially the Mitanni, which would locate the city of Salem, right, you know the This story about Melchizedek, right? Melchizedek being the priest of righteousness and the king of Salem, which means peace. But Salem is allegedly Jerusalem, but it's more likely that it is a Palestinian city called Salim, which is in the territory in which the Mitanni were housing.↗

2:20:29@natnewsnetworkAnd when Abraham buried his wife, he was with the Mitanni people. So he was recognized as one of theirs by his burial customs and by his worship. And the Indo-Aryans worshiped Dios Pater, that is the progenitor of Zeus, Zeus Pater, also Jupiter, that comes from the Indo-Aryan branch. And you're right that the polytheism in the Levantine region, especially among the Canaanites, Mesopotamians, Babylonians, that was taken from various different branches of paganism.↗

2:21:19@natnewsnetworkYeah, the pantheon was added on later. It was initially a monotheistic religion.↗

2:21:27@joann_marieSeth, do you want to add anything or should I keep going to Hans? We have so many and so many requests.↗

2:21:32@sethianmanI would just quickly add, you know, we can go back and forth about this in dispute, but he did agree that my timeline is correct and that they're off. And so he's citing Jupiter and other things that are, you know, trying to tie it back together. But just to go on off of the scholarly part, because we kind of debated that, in your heart, how do you explain the God of the Old Testament telling them to take the women↗

2:22:01@sethianmanto smash the babies against the rocks? How do you justify all of these things, which we're seeing real time 4K is the justification. You know, this is for my wife, for my son, for Edom, for Amalek. Okay, well, that's taken from the Old Testament. Can you explain to me how that works with Yeshua? Because it seems completely contradictory to everything he taught.↗

2:22:25@sethianmanAnd I would just, you know, add one last thing to that, which is,↗

2:22:33@sethianmanEverything that they taught was about the law and sacrifice and murder. The temple was about murdering the animals, sacrificing the animals. When did Yeshua sacrifice the animals? He pulled the mule out of the ditch. He did everything the opposite of the Old Testament God. So I understand that it's hard to break through from this dogma and things that were taught, but I would, and it seems like you're a very smart person because you're citing a lot of these texts, but↗

2:23:01@sethianmanReally go back and look at the dates, look at the times, and then in your heart, ask yourself, how does this reconcile? Because it seems like they're complete opposites. And for me, and probably many people in this space, it's very hard to reconcile that, to see what's happening in Israel and say, yeah, well, that's my God, that's my father, right?↗

2:23:22@sethianmanAnd last but not least, it's just that he never mentioned his name. You would think that he would mention his name once. But the fact that he never mentioned his name, the fact that they're complete opposites, and also a jealous God. Jealous of whom? Who is there to be jealous of if you're the monad, if you're the only God?↗

2:23:42@sethianmanYou know, if I went to a room and I showed up at a party and no one was there, and I said, well, I'm jealous of all these other people, who would hear me say it, right?↗

2:23:52@natnewsnetworkYeah, it's... Basically, if you go into the part of the jealousy, that is kind of a mistranslation. When you create your covenant people and they are straying away, you're jealous of... And you got a murderer, right?↗

2:24:18@natnewsnetworkIt was a decreed...↗

2:24:24@natnewsnetworkWhat's it called? Capital Punishment.↗

2:24:27@joann_marieI don't know, but it does that. Old God's Testament is like a tyrant, and Jesus is literally the opposite of that. Like, everything about it is literal awfulness. It's crazy.↗

2:24:39@natnewsnetworkAnd God is so depotent.↗

2:24:41@joann_marieLike, how did he come and just change completely? Like, that's weird. Like, no, it makes no sense whatsoever.↗

2:24:49@natnewsnetworkYeah, maybe it doesn't make sense to you. I didn't want to go at you, but that's basically personal incredulity fallacy, right? Just because you don't understand it from the historical context doesn't mean that it is not true.↗

2:25:08@thelevantinemanSo it's only potent and then changed completely? Sorry, you were talking over each other.↗

2:25:34@natnewsnetworkYeah, that's a given, right? That's a fact. All right.↗

2:25:37@thelevantinemanGood stuff. Good stuff. Let's continue.↗

2:25:42@natnewsnetworkCan you show me a passage that contradicts my claim?↗

2:25:45Speaker 3Yeah, I think we've listened to you for about 20 minutes and no one's up to speed on what a fucking point you've made. Are we going to move on or are we going to keep listening to these heretics that attack the Christian faith? I was directly addressed. Fucking masking my cunts. Yeah, Veritas, you're going off.↗

2:26:00@joann_marieDoc, it's not your turn to speak right now, okay? All right.↗

2:26:04Speaker 3Yeah, well, how long are we waiting? Like, there's fucking...↗

2:26:06@joann_marieYes, but we have hands and everybody's been patiently waiting, so that's what's happening right now.↗

2:26:11Speaker 3All right. Yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway. Okay, talk.↗

2:26:15@joann_marieDon't spread. Rabbi, go for it.↗

2:26:24@malleusigWhat's up, guys? How you doing?↗

2:26:27@joann_marieHi, sorry, I never expect people to ask me how I am. Good, how are you, Rai?↗

2:26:35@malleusigI just came up because this is one of my favorite topics, and I've heard some really, really, really interesting ideas so far, and I agree. I don't think it was Satan, but I definitely do not think that it's the same God throughout the entire book. I think that the Old Testament God is... Very different in aspect, in personality, in mode of worship.↗

2:27:05@malleusigI mean, it's one of the things that really bothers me. All you have to do is actually read the Bible. And this becomes clear immediately as soon as you get to the part about the commandments. Because our animal sacrifice is one of the things that we associate with Satanism more than anything, more than Christianity. or established religion.↗

2:27:29@malleusigYahweh literally demands you show up at his temple three times. Is it three times or two times a year? I think it's three times. Three times a year with some animal that you have prepared to slit its throat and drain its blood and then burn its entrails to create a pleasing scent for Yahweh. And I'm like, that does not sound like any God that any civilized,↗

2:27:56@malleusigA country or religion worships in 2026 or in 026 even. That's maybe 126. But that used to be the mode of worship throughout the Mediterranean. It was a very unique thing to that area and to that time period. God only knows how long it went on for. But when you realize that, then you're just like, yeah, no, sorry, this is not my God.↗

2:28:27@malleusigAnd when you realize that, this whole chosen nonsense and covenant, it stops having any real strength because it was a covenant made with a barbaric foreign god that demands blood. And not only blood, it demands the blood of young animals. And it has to be like the first animal born to everything, including people, by the way, if you read the fine print.↗

2:28:56@malleusigThe first thing born of every womb is supposed to be sacrificed and its blood drained and its entrails burned to Yahweh. The only difference with people is that Yahweh gives you a way to buy your children back. That's it, right? Yahweh doesn't say, oh, you don't have to burn your kids. No, no. He's like, no, no, you have to burn your kids, but I'll allow you to buy your kid back from me.↗

2:29:26@malleusigThe Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

2:29:55@malleusigthat we are not dealing with the same God. And I haven't met anyone who's been able to explain that away. Nobody.↗

2:30:02@natnewsnetworkWhere did it say that Yahweh demanded child sacrifice? Because I remember Jeremiah saying directly condemning child sacrifice.↗

2:30:14@malleusigNo, actually not directly. It's indirectly condemning child sacrifice. So in the story of Abraham and Isaac, Abraham starts out↗

2:30:53@malleusigWhat used to be a Mediterranean culture of human sacrifice, giving it up for whatever reason and substituting it with animal sacrifice, which is the same thing that happened in Moses, right?↗

2:31:08@natnewsnetworkAnd Jesus, of course, right?↗

2:31:10@malleusigNo, no, no, no.↗

2:31:12@natnewsnetworkYeah, Jesus was the sacrificial lamb.↗

2:31:14@malleusigVeritas, shush. We can get into exegesis later if you want, but I don't buy into that. That's... That is post hoc rationality. That is essentially retconning of the story to fit whatever the political aims of the day was, right? It does fit. It does fit. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about essentially, if you look at the text as written, okay?↗

2:31:42@malleusigYahweh says, the firstborn out of every womb, the first... What was it? The first child that openeth the matrix belongs to me. And we all know what belongs to me means. It means you get sent up to Yahweh. You get slit, your throat slit, your entrails burning, sent upstairs. That's it. I don't want to make it any simpler.↗

2:32:08@malleusigThe story with Abraham and Isaac, yeah, I get it. But that's just an allegory for this transition they made. And I think it was probably for strategic reasons. They realized that killing babies has a really strong demotivating or what's the word? You terrorize a population to demotivate it. There's a word for it, but I forget what it is.↗

2:32:40@rectheregimeDemoralization.↗

2:32:41@malleusigThank you. That's exactly it. Thank you, Michael. It's demoralization. And they realize that if you keep submitting your population to this ongoing demoralization of you killing their infants, you don't end up with as strong a conquering force or society as you could have. If you look at Judaic religion, it's basically, it's a religion and a culture that's aimed almost single-mindedly towards conquest of others.↗

2:33:11@malleusigNot just the sacrifice thing. The sacrifice thing is one thing. The sacrifice thing is actually important because if you know that you have to sacrifice the first born animal that you have, you work really hard, harder than other people to make more animals because you know you have to give up a bunch of them. Like that's a whole animal, a whole donkey or a whole cow, that's a lot.↗

2:33:35@malleusigEspecially back in the ancient world where there were no antibiotics, there were no kind of like scientific ways to make sure you're increasing. um you know birth rates you keep them alive and you couldn't show with a sick one either you had to show with a good one so it's like it's like they they really forced their people to figure out ways to maximize the output of of uh of flesh animals or meat animals that's one thing because eating meat makes a strong people so you end up with a lot more meat and the people that are eating the the meat are stronger because you know all the things going on so that's one thing like↗

2:34:11@malleusigContraintuitively, sacrificing animals makes more animals. The other thing is, if you look at conquest, it's much easier to sacrifice something that you didn't raise yourself. For example, if you are a Judaic farmer or rancher or whatever it was back then, you get a choice between sacrificing one of your animals or... Going next door to the next country and stealing some of their animals and then sacrificing them, you're going to go with the other option if it's available.↗

2:34:50@malleusigAnd the same thing goes for...↗

2:34:52@natnewsnetworkBut wasn't that exactly condemned? Isn't that exactly the reason why Esau's sacrifice was not sufficient?↗

2:35:00@malleusigSorry, what, Vertus?↗

2:35:04@natnewsnetworkThat's basically just... The same that Esau did, right? Going the easy road, right? A sacrifice needs to be a sacrifice. So you have to give something up, not just steal from someone else and sacrifice that. That's against the law. No, it isn't. Samson did it.↗

2:35:25@malleusigSam did the shit. When Samson made the bet with the wedding party, what did he do when he lost? He went into essentially what would be like the Armenian Quarter these days. He went to the part of town where the visiting minority lived. And he said, okay, I got to supply like 20, 30 changes of clothing. I'm just going to kill a bunch of these people and take their shit.↗

2:35:48@malleusigAnd then he gave it to the Jews. He gave it to his family members. This stuff has always been on menu. And then look at how this works with the Sabbath.↗

2:35:59@malleusigThe Sabbath day is basically, it's an incentive to get slaves. Because who are the only people that can do shit on the Sabbath? It's the non-Jews. So what's the incentive here? The incentive is you go out, you enslave non-Jews, then you make them do work for you on the Sabbath when you're forced by your God to lay idle.↗

2:36:18@malleusigAll right? It's like, this is, I mean, you just sit down and think about it, this stuff becomes so clear. And it's not about direct commandments sometimes, it's about incentives. What do the commandments incentivize you to do? Well, it's obvious. They incentivize you to go out and steal shit from your neighbors, including land, right?↗

2:36:38@malleusigAnd that's how we get Judaism. I mean, that's how we get that Judaism. Today's Judaism is quite different, but that's how you get that day's Judaism.↗

2:36:52@malleusigThere's always some questions, but...↗

2:36:56@joann_marieSeth, do you want to add anything?↗

2:36:58@natnewsnetworkI'm still trying to figure out which part you mean with... Seth needs to finish his presentation as well.↗

2:37:07@joann_marieOkay, let's go to Seth and then I'll let you ask your question. Go for it, Seth.↗

2:37:12@sethianmanI was just going to say that I agree with the rabbi here. I think that, you know... It's interesting because there is a midrashic text, and you really have to dig into the Qabbalistic thought. You have to read their text so you can understand what it says, not only in the Talmud and the Torah, but in the Zohar as well.↗

2:37:35@sethianmanYou have to dig in, and frequently that's kind of rubbed in our faces. Oh, have you read the Torah? Have you studied for eight years? Well, what if I did? What if I did read all of these things? In fact, in the Perk de Rabbi↗

2:37:50@sethianmanElizar, which you can find on Chabad Lubavitch website on Chabad.org. It actually talks about a midrash which says that, and they're very clear about this, that part of the reason why Cain's sacrifice of tilling the field was rejected is because it wasn't a living animal. It wasn't an innocent creature. That was sacrificed.↗

2:38:19@sethianmanAnd furthermore, it wasn't the firstborn, right? Cain was the firstborn. So really, if Abel sacrificed Cain, then it would be accepted. And that's what the Pirkei Derabi Elisar, and I don't know if you've ever read this text, but you can find it on Chabad.org. It's their own writing. I mean, it's in there. They're hosting it on their website.↗

2:38:39@sethianmanBut this is an older text, several hundred years old. And also it goes on to say, that the demons, essentially what are the Christian Gnostic archons, accepted Cain's sacrifice, but only the demons accepted it because it wasn't the firstborn, they can accept that. Yahweh demands the firstborn in the same way that he wanted Isaac, right?↗

2:39:03@sethianmanAnd for me, when I was studying this a long time ago, never made any sense to me. I really struggle. Okay, well, you know, God just wants to test your faith. So he's going to take you to bring your son up to the mountain and, you know, slit his throat. Well, that's pretty evil, right? I mean, you don't have to, if you don't think that's evil, then you have to kind of, you have to recalibrate morality and understand what's good and what's not.↗

2:39:33@sethianmanAnd you can make excuses for it. You can say, oh, this makes sense, or I can... Thank you very much.↗

2:40:04@joann_marieThank you so much, Seth. All right, Veritas, what question did you want to do? And we have so many hands.↗

2:40:11@natnewsnetworkNo, let's go to some hands here. All right.↗

2:40:16@joann_marieOkay. Falu, go for it. Welcome.↗

2:40:18@djfaluHey, guys. Good to hear you. I'm glad to see the space tonight. A lot of great information. I put some stuff down in the pill. I didn't want to post it up top because I didn't know if Ian wanted that. But I wanted to touch on real things really quick because there's a lot that came up. The first thing was Saturn. 100% on that.↗

2:40:37@djfaluI was in Rome. I'm working on a book right now. I'm halfway done with it. I'm finishing it with Greece. And in Rome, the pictures that I put down below, one of the things that people don't understand was that the halo is actually a representative of Saturn. Holding the orb in your left hand is a representative of Saturn.↗

2:40:57@djfaluIt's in a lot of paintings. A lot of the Romans and the kings all did this. and it was incorporated in a lot of Catholicism and a lot of other religious paintings and architecture and texts and pictures and statues. A lot of the kings had Apollo who would also be a derivative of the sun god with the orb on them. They would take altars in churches under churches↗

2:41:30@djfaluand they would cut a hole in the back of it. They would put candles behind the person at the altar, which would look like the halo. I seen some of these altars when I was there and they're not talked about a lot, but it's all over in paintings and stuff when we see that.↗

2:41:50@djfaluWhen I think it was Bear or Dancing or Dancing was discussing the Old Testament. We say Old Testament or New Testament, That was something by man. And that's the other thing, guys. A lot of the stuff that we see today, people follow men. People follow religion which was made by man. If you're a Christian and you believe in Christianity, the Bible, there was Christianity for only a couple hundred years before it started to change.↗

2:42:20@djfaluThe word Trinity is not in the Bible. The first person to mention and explain what Trinity was is a man named Tertullian who ended up going back to being a pagan and not even believing what he actually taught, which the Catholic Church adopted and basically changed what most people think of as religion. When they were talking about the Old Testament, New Testament, and what did Jesus come to fulfill,↗

2:42:50@djfaluWhat did he say? He said basically the entire law, which it was basically made to show you that you cannot live by that law. He said, take the whole law and sum it up as love God and love your neighbor. Treat your neighbor like you treat yourself. He said that is the entire law. But people always focus on that, that, you know,↗

2:43:17@djfaluThese 635 or 37 laws, Jesus said, no, just treat everybody good and love God. That was it. And when they talk about, I want to go through this list I made real quick because I don't want to take up time. You know, the name Jesus, a lot of people mention it as Jehovah or Yeshua. Jesus is not Yeshua. Yeshua is a slang term to make fun of Jesus.↗

2:43:43@djfaluAnd a lot of people say that term. Jesus is Yahoshua, not Yeshua. That is the direct translation out of Hebrew.↗

2:43:55@djfaluWhen you talk about setting aside the firstborn, the firstborn were actually those set aside for God. They were not set aside to be sacrificed. And when you talk about the sacrifice of Isaac, God was showing Abraham that he was not like those other pagans. Those other pagans were doing that kind of a thing, but it was Isaac that was↗

2:44:17@djfaluThe Edomites, which many people mentioned, were the first, you know, the Edomites, the Canaanites, the Amalekites. When we have all the warring in the Old Testament,↗

2:44:46@djfaluWhat was going on is they were killing the satanic, cannibalistic pedophiles. That was the order that was given. They were never supposed to be around, and their whole point of existence was to snuff out the bloodline of Christ, because Christ was the only pure bloodline to redeem us. Think about this. If the Jewish or the Hebrew kings↗

2:45:14@djfaludid not go after those other gods. Jesus would have been born a king. They didn't even know who their king was because the Edomites and the Satanists that Jesus said, you do not know me, or you do not know my, you know, you are not of my father, right? You are of, what is it guys? The synagogue of Satan. Those were the Edomites he was talking about.↗

2:45:40@djfaluAnd that goes all the way to what the other gentleman said, I don't want to get too far off, guys, but I appreciate you letting me speak.↗

2:46:12@djfaluand there's just so much to touch on. And there's so much that has been changed that people don't understand about the Old Testament going into the New Testament. And it was really the whole Old Testament if you go back and read from the beginning of time or say the Jews which would start with obviously would be Abraham if he was the first.↗

2:46:35@djfaluSomebody had said, what was the timeline? When was Abraham first mentioned? Well, the first time I believe God was in human form that actually revealed himself was when God came and ate dinner with Abraham before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. And Jesus said, when they were going to stone him, before Abraham was, I am.↗

2:46:55@djfaluBecause they said, how does this man say that he saw Abraham? He's not even 50. Well, Jesus was saying, no, that was me that sat down and ate dinner with Abraham. And that's where you get Jesus in the New Testament. Thank you so much for coming up, Faluan. I think we said this in the listeners, or is he up here? I don't know if I'm glitching.↗

2:47:39@allegedly_fortiNo, he doesn't. I see Seth up here. Really?↗

2:47:43@joann_marieOkay, so I need to reset. I hope Ian can bring me back. All right, go for it, Seth.↗

2:47:54Speaker 2I don't think he's in speakers.↗

2:47:55@thelevantinemanNo, he's not in speakers. He's not. Oh, maybe I'm switching then. If I may quickly before Seth comes back, because I just want to... To bring value, which is to make things a bit more, we have to understand something that, first of all, in approaching this, one must really, really look within and realize that we cannot look for the ultimate truth if there is self-centeredness in how we go about it, if there is groupthink, because we are...↗

2:48:33@thelevantinemanA Tribal by Instinct, and we have a groupthink about us all, wherever we are in the world. And then if we're approaching the ultimate truth with that, without checking that groupthink, that self-centeredness, confirmation bias becomes something that we slip into. And we have to always remember things back then. What was the language that was spoken?↗

2:49:07@thelevantinemanHow did people speak to each other? Aramaic, Syriac, was Hebrew a spoken language or classical Hebrew was just a prayer language? How much do we know about this? It's very important to understand that man and human nature in general and politics that come after Great characters, let's say, after Yeshua, after Jesus, when people came and human beings do what human beings do.↗

2:49:44@thelevantinemanAnd then centuries later, what happens? And then the year 300 in Constantinople, when they wanted to organize things, what was the literature that was available? And then the languages after centuries, translations from... From Aramaic to Greek, from Greek to today when we're reading in English, and especially when it comes to names of things.↗

2:50:12@thelevantinemanThere's a lot of names of things. FALU mentioned that maybe it's not yes or maybe it is. I'm trying to just to bring some more light of how... How complex things are. But it's very important not to go into group thing. I mean, it's laughable that some people want to claim like, yeah, he was white with blue eyes. And yeah, he was.↗

2:50:39@thelevantinemanAnd then somebody in California would tell you he was a surfer, dude. It's like, he's for all of us.↗

2:50:47Speaker 4Right. You're breaking up. Am I? All right. You're rubber banding.↗

2:50:53@joann_marieNo, I think it's your rabbi.↗

2:50:54Speaker 4Oh, you think it's me? Oh, I'm so sorry.↗

2:50:57@djfaluRabbi, you actually broke up when you were speaking for a second there.↗

2:50:59@thelevantinemanYeah, all right. So I'll land, but I just want to make sure that we're there, you know, here. The ultimate truth is what we want, and we are all learning in progress, and we're going to keep learning and unpacking and learning. And I'll say what Seth said, something very important that I love. It's just... Contemplate on things and put it in your heart and see what your intuition, what your guidance, what your divine guidance tells you, and then proceed and proceed.↗

2:51:32@thelevantinemanThat's all. Thank you.↗

2:51:34@joann_marieBeautiful, Raed. Thank you. Seth, welcome back. Go for it.↗

2:51:39@sethianmanThank you. Yeah, sorry, I got disconnected there. I just wanted to add something. There's so much wisdom in John, but John 14, 6, Yeshua says, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. And to me, that resonates a lot because it's through the Father. How we can reach the Father is through knowing Yeshua, through knowing Christ.↗

2:52:06@sethianmanAnd I don't think because, you know, there were people that pre-existed his time that they couldn't know that. But again, like speaking in parables, speaking in like a mythical way, it transcended time. And it makes sense today. I really thought it was beautiful what Raed said. If you look in your heart, what does your heart tell you that that's right?↗

2:52:31@sethianmanAnd I think that there's a lot of Christian Zionism where they say, oh, you just have to have faith. You just have to have faith. I don't think you have to have faith in other men or people that tell you, you just have to believe this. You have to really, truly go into your heart and ask yourself, is it right? We all got here because we saw what's happening in Palestine.↗

2:52:54@sethianmanWe saw the lies, the mistreatment of children, Epstein, all the things that are pervading our culture. We started to think, I'm going to go in my heart for a second and see this feels evil. It feels wrong. It doesn't feel right. And there's no man or person that can tell you, oh, no, it's good. God told us to do it, told us to sacrifice the children.↗

2:53:15@sethianmanObviously, As Iesua said, you can know them by their fruits. And last thing I wanted to mention was the previous speaker said Iesua is a slang to denigrate him. It's actually yeshu without the uh, which is an acronym in Hebrew for may his name be blotted out forever. I think that that's what you're referring to when they call him yeshu.↗

2:53:39@sethianmanYeah, I think it could have been. Forgive me for saying it.↗

2:53:42@djfaluAre any of the direct translations that I read when I look up Jesus, it doesn't necessarily say Yeshua, it says like Jehoshua. Or Yehoshua, right?↗

2:53:50@sethianmanYeah, yeah. And I think that that's like a transliteration, right? Like, so Joshua, like, I think that, you know, over time, it's like a game of telephone. And, you know, if you go back to the earlier Christian canon, you go back to, you know, just go back 500 years or 1000 years to some of the older biblical texts, you'll see...↗

2:54:11@sethianmanYesu was name written in Latin with I, I-E-S-U-S. So when you see I-N-R-I, it's Aesis in Latin, which is the translation of the Greek I-E-S-O-U-S. And so I think that it just kind of over time got lost. The I became a J. And if you were a Spanish speaker, that would be a silent J, a Jesus. So you could see how that could be.↗

2:54:37@sethianmanRight, right. So you can see where that comes from. I just think that it's good to go back through history and to look at it. And we may never know exactly how to pronounce his name, but we should try to get close. And I think, you know, if you say Jesus with a J, you might be not getting it exactly. That's not to say that you can't reach him, that you can't have his message.↗

2:55:02@sethianmanI just think it's important to know these things. And Aisua... Yeshua, Yahashua, you can see how they sound similar and imagine thousands of years a game of telephone, how that can get corrupted. But I wanted to say that the corruption is not the name of Hebrew in Yeshua, or it's Yeshu without the A. That's an acronym for trying to blot his name out.↗

2:55:28@sethianmanAnd that's kind of what they're doing.↗

2:55:30@thelevantinemanYeah, and if I may just quickly add something. In Lebanon, for instance, the spoken language is not classical Arabic. It's completely different from the spoken language that we still speak in Lebanon. And you find that it is a hybrid of Aramaic and modern, if you will, spoken Arabic. And Isa, like, so we say Yeshua and we also say Isa.↗

2:56:02@thelevantinemanYesua al-Masih, or the Messiah, and we say Isa al-Masih as well. So, yeah, 100%, especially when it comes to, you know, linguistics and how they evolve over the years. Let's not forget, guys, that in the 1930s, if I would say in English, I'm gay, people would say, good, you're having a good day, right, today. And we're talking 50 years.↗

2:56:30@thelevantinemanThe meaning of a word has completely shifted. So mind you, if we go back thousands, a couple of thousand years. Yeah.↗

2:56:38@natnewsnetworkYeah. Jesus is Yeshua, right? That's the same name as Joshua. They are exactly written the same, right? You can also see the parallels, Jesus and Joshua, both crossing the Jordan, right? Joshua with a military conquest and Jesus reclaiming the throne of God. So it's basically the fulfillment of that military conquest.↗

2:57:12@thelevantinemanYeah, but you have to remember something in very just that back in the day in that land where he walked, no one called him. These words are not there. Even the letters that are in the words are not letters that were available in spoken Aramaic. So this is exactly what we mean. You have to go back and imagine yourself walking at that time and which language you would use and how would you call upon things.↗

2:57:47@thelevantineman2,000 years ago back then in that land. That's the thing is very important in the spelling as well.↗

2:57:53@djfaluThey spoke Hebrew and Aramaic and also Greek. Like Matthew was written straight from the Greek. So even though they spoke Aramaic, they still would speak Hebrew. And that's why when... There was some Greek.↗

2:58:03@thelevantinemanThere was some Greek. But mind you, we're talking 33 years A.D., right? Right. That time, not 100 years later. Yeah, Greek was there. I would say, I cannot say it wasn't. But the main spoken language of people talking to each other was not Hebrew. No, but the Jews spoke Hebrew.↗

2:58:26@djfaluThose in the synagogue that they read out of the Hebrew text spoke Hebrew.↗

2:58:30@thelevantinemanSo classical Hebrew was back then the prayer and the religious... It wasn't the communication, everyday talk amongst people. This is very important as well.↗

2:58:44@joann_marieAnd also, wasn't it only written, like they only knew how to write it and read it, but it wasn't spoken?↗

2:58:52@thelevantinemanYes, it wasn't the language, the lingua franca, the language to communicate amongst people. There was Syriac, there was Aramaic, I'm sure Greek was there, but... That's why we do investigations. But always keep in mind that when you're reading the letters and the names in English or whatever, in any other languages, to remember that you have to go to the origins and try to find out the epistemology or whatever it's called.↗

2:59:23@thelevantinemanI'm not an academic. But the epistemology of the words, yeah.↗

2:59:28@natnewsnetworkThanks. Jesus was teaching the Torah in Hebrew, right? Maybe he has translated it in Aramaic, but he had like the literal scrolls of Isaiah that he was quoting from. Veritas, can I ask you a quick question?↗

2:59:46@thelevantinemanThere's also a theory, and I have the book.↗

2:59:50@marcionite144adAm I wasting my time raising my hand?↗

2:59:52@joann_marieI'll go to you, but there is a lot of people as well.↗

2:59:56@thelevantinemanAll right, let's go with hands. I'm going to shut up. Yeah, right. There's a lot of hands. Let's go.↗

3:00:02@joann_marieOkay. Yeah, go for it, Mayor.↗

3:00:03@marcionite144adYeah, at the time that Jesus walked the talk, everybody spoke Koine Greek. The original Bible was written in Koine Greek. It was the common language at the time.↗

3:00:13@thelevantinemanNo, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. You're talking to someone from the land.↗

3:00:18@marcionite144adYou were there at that time then.↗

3:00:20@thelevantinemanI wasn't there at that time. But you know it for a fact.↗

3:00:24@marcionite144adThe original Bible was written in Koine Greek. All the apostles spoke Koine Greek. I would like to talk now. You've been talking for a while, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah.↗

3:00:33@natnewsnetworkTo make it short, the region was multilingual, right?↗

3:00:36@marcionite144adIt was multilingual, but the common language that everybody spoke was Koine Greek.↗

3:00:40@thelevantinemanThe spoken language was Aramaic.↗

3:00:43@marcionite144adWell, the original Bible was written in Koine Greek, and that was the language that Jesus spoke. Anyway... I want to put to bed all these accusations that Marcion was a heretic. Marcion didn't change any word in the gospel. That gospel was Paul's original gospel. It was handed to Marcion along with Paul's letters that Marcion took the time to travel the Levant and collect them all and compile them into a canon.↗

3:01:05@marcionite144adIt was the first time that anybody had compiled all these texts together and put them into a single book, which he titled the Evangelicon, the New Testament. He didn't change anything and it was impossible for him to be a heretic because there was no other gospels in existence at that time for him to alter. It was the very first gospel.↗

3:01:24@marcionite144adThe Q document is a Marcionite document. So this whole concept that Marcion was a heretic and he was kicked out by the church. The church didn't even exist at that time. They had a church in Rome and they had a bishop, but it wasn't considered a Christian church. It was just the Church of Rome.↗

3:01:42@natnewsnetworkYeah, the Presbyterians.↗

3:01:43@marcionite144adAnd it's very clear that Jesus, all throughout the Bible, he makes clear delineations between his father and this God of the Old Testament. He even calls him in Luke 11, he calls him, he says, my father will not treat you like the evil tester. He's talking to the Hebrews. He's referring to their God, the evil tester. And the reason that he calls them the evil tester is because all throughout the Old Testament, Yahweh tests the Jews when he starves them for 40 years in the desert.↗

3:02:14@marcionite144adAccording to the story, the myth, he's testing them to see if they'll keep his commandments all throughout the 40 years of being starved. When he tells Isaac to kill his son, or when he tells Abraham to kill his son, Isaac, he said he was testing him. And even in the Lord's Prayer, he says, and do not lead us into a time of testing, but deliver us from the evil one.↗

3:02:43@marcionite144adHe's referring to Yahweh in these statements, and he's calling him the evil tester. If you know how to read the Bible, they've done a really good job, a real bang-up job of trying to conflate the Old Testament with the New, when the reality is that the New Testament was with a new God. Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

3:03:01@marcionite144adStrange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

3:03:17@joann_marieNo, no, finish. Marcian rejected half of the New Testament.↗

3:03:23@marcionite144adThere was no other book called the New Testament at that time. He created the New Testament. He invented the term, the very term New Testament, Gospel, Bible, Christian, Christianity. These were terms that were used exclusively in reference to followers of Marcian for the first hundred years of Christianity's existence in Rome.↗

3:03:37@marcionite144adLike, you don't know your history, brother. I'm sorry, but you don't. You don't know your history.↗

3:03:42@natnewsnetworkActs 14.23 notes that the presbyters↗

3:03:47@marcionite144adAnd that church in Rome that they found, it was founded on Peter's word. Okay, like Jesus said, Peter will reject me three times. He not only rejected him three times, he rejected all of his teachings. He rejected his very God. And that's the church that was founded in Rome. It was a church built by Peter, and Peter was beholden to the Old Testament God.↗

3:04:16@marcionite144adWas it the Gospel of Judas that's been recently uncovered? Even Judas remarks that many of Jesus' own apostles, that Jesus would make fun of many of his own apostles because they refused to acknowledge the fact that Jesus was referring to a completely different God than the God of the Old Testament. People are just like yourself.↗

3:04:33@marcionite144adThey refuse to acknowledge the truth of Jesus' word. And it's so clear that you've fallen for the Yahweh deception, brother. I encourage you to please go back and read that Bible from a different point of view and see if it doesn't make more sense.↗

3:04:46@djfaluPeter was never in Rome. Do you know that?↗

3:04:53@marcionite144adWho was never in Rome?↗

3:04:56@djfaluHe was never in Rome until possibly the day when they cut his head off.↗

3:05:03@djfaluI didn't say Jesus was in Rome.↗

3:05:05@marcionite144adI'm just saying that I was talking about Marcion in Rome.↗

3:05:08@djfaluI think he's talking about Peter. Yeah, because he spent the church with Peter in Rome. I just didn't know about Peter.↗

3:05:13@marcionite144adYeah, it was founded upon Peter. Peter was said to be the very first pope.↗

3:05:18Speaker 5Oh, you're right, right. From the Catholic Church. Right, right. 100%.↗

3:05:25@allegedly_fortiAll right, amazing. This page is so spicy. Okay, guys, please repost this page.↗

3:05:31@joann_marieAnd if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Forti and the entire panel are just absolute superstars. So thank you so much. Go for it, Seth.↗

3:05:41@thelevantinemanYeah, just quickly, before you move with the hands for Major, which I agree with most of everything he said, but look, we know where Paul was from. He was from Tartus. Tartus is in Syria. Back then, In Tartus, for instance, it wasn't Greek, the language of Franco. Jesus' language, spoken language, was Aramaic. It wasn't Greek.↗

3:06:06@thelevantinemanWe have to understand that that part of the land, for instance... It was conquered by Alexander the Great. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. That part of the land was... The cities in that part, whether it is Damascus, Jerusalem... Tiers, Sidon, which is Phoenician cities that are 5,000 years constantly inhabited. There was a different language of the people of the land.↗

3:06:33@thelevantinemanYou have to follow the history. But they were conquered by the Greeks.↗

3:06:37@marcionite144adThey were conquered and it became the dominant language, became the dominant culture.↗

3:06:42@thelevantinemanIt didn't. The culture didn't change. The culture was the same.↗

3:06:47@marcionite144adThey never introduced gymnasiums and theater from the Greeks.↗

3:06:52@thelevantinemanThey never introduced this culture. You're both right. That part of the land was always connected. Stop speaking over each other. In terms of language, we don't want to debate much. I want the conversation to continue. It's beautiful. But some things must be said. The language spoken of the people there was Aramaic. and Syriac before it.↗

3:07:17@thelevantinemanAnd then Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek. That's all. Thank you.↗

3:07:25@sethianmanI just wanted to add something real quick. And between you guys, I think you're both, you know, you've said it's very beautiful things. You know, I think you're more aligned than apart. I do believe that Jesus also spoke, Yeshua spoke Aramaic. His name is written in Aramaic, but at the same time, you're right that I believe the first written version was in Greek, right?↗

3:07:49@sethianmanAt least what we can find. But who knows? Maybe there is an Aramaic earlier version that we don't know of. But I wanted to just add something unrelated to that, which is this idea that we were speaking about earlier before this of the tester, that in the Torah, the notion of there is no Satan, but there is a HaSatan. which means tester.↗

3:08:11@sethianmanAnd in Judaism, he's the tester. Is that not exactly what Yahweh is, is the tester? Hasatan is the tester, Yahweh is the tester. You have to kind of let go of some of the names for a minute to just judge them by their fruits, as Yeshua said. Who is the wanderer? Who is the liar? Who is the murderer? Who is the rapist? The original rapist, Yael the Boath, the son of chaos, right?↗

3:08:37@sethianmanAnd so the tester, in my opinion, To go back to the Greek and Roman pantheon of Cronus and Saturn, it is again the same thing. If you study Western astrology, then you also know the Greek mythos as well of Cronus and of Roman Saturn, who is the tester. In the study of astrology, which is deeply linked to Kabbalah, it doesn't necessarily mean these archetypes are wrong.↗

3:09:08@sethianmanIt's just how they're used. And in Judaism, everything's inverted. Everything is flipped upside down. So the God is the devil, right? And good is bad. And if you look at what's happening in the world, that's where everything starts to decode and to make sense. So I just wanted to add that piece about the testers.↗

3:09:31@marcionite144adAnd think about just the very celebration of Saturn that they would conduct in Rome. They would do role reversal, where slaves would now be masters over their masters, and the masters would serve their slaves as a celebration of Saturn, which basically inverts everything. He is the inversion. And like you said, according to astrology, Saturn is considered to be the planet of karma that tests you and weighs you.↗

3:09:59@marcionite144adThe associations, you can't ignore them. You just can't ignore them.↗

3:10:03@thelevantinemanAnd one more thing also, for instance, Hebrews in Lebanese and the Aramaic are the wonderers. The people who wonder. So Hebrews, for me, is the wonderers as well. That's also when it comes to linguistics. This is how we view it.↗

3:10:28@joann_marieExcellent. Thank you so much, Raed. All right. Scott, welcome. Go for it.↗

3:10:34@scottandrewbThank you, guys. Amazing space. I've been following along for a couple hours now, and I love these spaces because the theological debates get me, and I think they're really important, especially given current day situations. I have a comment, and I have a question. My comment is, I think it was Major earlier who mentioned how Jesus spoke in parables.↗

3:11:05@scottandrewbAnd on a personal note, I've known, I've long believed that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament are two different things, entities, people, whatever. If you reread the parables, as Marcy Knight said, that Jesus spoke in, and one that was always given to us, me growing up in a Christian family, in a Christian church, of the prodigal son.↗

3:11:38@scottandrewbThe context was always about us. If we were to drift away from God, drift away from Jesus, there was always a path back if we just accepted Jesus and found our way back. But if you think about it in the context of The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

3:12:04@scottandrewbStrange↗

3:12:24@scottandrewbComment on this too, because he seems to know a lot about this stuff. But it's on the apocryphal gospels, on the apocryphal texts, and it's about young Jesus, like infant Jesus, toddler Jesus, grade four Jesus. Jesus isn't mentioned in the major four gospels that we know until he's about 12 years old and he dunks on the Pharisees, right?↗

3:12:48@scottandrewbHe dunks on the Jewish traditions. and starts calling them out for their shortcomings. Not shortcomings, but you know what I'm saying. He's challenging their beliefs about God. And I believe in the Quran, there are stories of infant Jesus speaking to defend his mother. who's being accused of infidelity, of being essentially a whore.↗

3:13:32@scottandrewbHe speaks as an infant to defend her. And I want to say to recall from memory, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but it's the infancy gospel of Thomas where the same story pops up, where he defends his mother. He speaks as an infant. Young Jesus also molds a bird out of clay and breathes life into it. And another story where Jesus resurrects a boy who fell from a roof or was cast from a roof, whatever the story is, and brings him back to life to basically tell his parents, not Jesus' parents, the boy's parents, that Jesus didn't push him off the roof.↗

3:14:20@scottandrewbAll of these stories. So my question is, what weight do you put into these apocryphal texts, like the Gospels that weren't included in the canon? Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

3:14:38@marcionite144adStrange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

3:15:04@scottandrewbMy question is, if these stories are popping up in two different places, if they're popping up in the Qur'an and they're popping up in the apocryphal texts, what kind of weight do you put into the actual validity of these stories? It's not sent to source anymore, right? It's coming from a completely different... There's cooperation through multiple source, right?↗

3:15:30@scottandrewbSo what kind of weight do you put into these... In the original Bible, Jesus ascends to earth at age 30, fully formed.↗

3:15:49@marcionite144adNow, the reason that they came up with these birth stories and these childhood Jesus stories at a later date was because they were trying to drag Christians back into the law and back under the God of the Old Testament. So they came up with the birth narrative where Jesus was born of a Jewish woman and a major in order to claim that Jesus was of Davidic descent.↗

3:16:09@marcionite144adAnd the reason that you see it also in Islam, now just hold on here, I'm about to say something's going to blow a lot of y'all's minds. The Catholic Church was so desperate to eradicate the original Christian movement. It was its number one enemy because the original Christians were teaching that you don't need the church to speak to God.↗

3:16:28@marcionite144adAnd the church was busy trying to use religion as a control system, to control the people, saying that you have to have a priest in between you and God. And that priest was going to use God as a control mechanism. Well, because the church was so desperate... to eradicate true Christianity which was spreading out into the deserts of Arabia around the 3rd century.↗

3:16:50@marcionite144adThey use their St. Augustine monks, and just like in the Dune movie where you see the Bene Gesserit, it pre-primes the planet hundreds of years in advance, teaching them that there's a coming Messiah, a coming Messiah, so that when that Jewish kid, Jewish actor in the movie finally lands on the planet, they're like, oh, it's the Messiah, he's finally come.↗

3:17:11@marcionite144adThey did the same thing in the deserts of Arabia, telling them that a Jewish prophet, basically a prophet of the Old Testament, they use the St. Augustine monks and FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

3:17:43@marcionite144adThey brought her out of retirement and they sent her out to the deserts of Arabia. She was a very rich woman as well. Sent her out in the deserts of Arabia with a bunch of money. And they told her, you know, basically, find some young, charismatic young man that you can deliver this book to so that you can, you know, portray him as this, you know, coming messiah.↗

3:18:01@marcionite144adWell, they did this. They basically created Islam. This was Muhammad's first wife. I forget her name. Badija?↗

3:18:12@marcionite144adShe was, you know, first Muhammad worked for her and then eventually married her. But it was her that basically chose him and then had him tutored by the St. Augustine monks with the form of Catholicism. That's why you see, you know, Muslims pray with beads. You know, the Catholics pray with beads. Their women wear black robes.↗

3:18:33@marcionite144adThe Catholic nuns wear black robes. If you notice, you know, all of Islam prays towards Saturn's cube.↗

3:18:43@marcionite144adThey make their pilgrimages towards Saturn's Cube. They also make pilgrimages in Catholicism. The form of Christianity that's preached in Islam is a Catholic form of Christianity that drags Christians back under the law and back towards the God of Moses and Abraham. They basically created Islam. They taught the Islamics that any Christians who do not preach the↗

3:19:11@marcionite144adSo they basically created Islam to be their sword to eradicate...↗

3:19:20@marcionite144adThe Christians that had spread out to the deserts of Arabia so that they could become the number one source in the world for Christianity and that they could eventually, you know, their goal, this priest class, this Saturn cult priest class that's taken over the world, their goal, you can see it right now, they're announcing it at the Vatican as Chrislam.↗

3:19:35@marcionite144adThey want to create a one world religion where the entire world is forced to worship Saturn slash Satan, the God of the Jews and the Jews as his chosen people, the elites. That's what the God of the Jews is, is El. That's why they call them the elites is because The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr.↗

3:19:54@marcionite144adStrange↗

3:20:12@marcionite144adAnd that's why you don't see Christians that preach our point of view in media. You don't see them on TV because it's all controlled by basically this Saturn cult priest class that wants to basically convince Christians to adopt the Zionist point of view and the Old Testament point of view. Unless you're preaching that the Old Testament and Moses and all that stuff is the greatest thing since sliced bread, you don't make it on the TV.↗

3:20:34@marcionite144adYou don't make it into radio. You don't get promoted because they're using it as basically a weapon system. To use this ideology as a means to create their one world religion.↗

3:20:46Speaker 6Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you saying that Islam is Saturn worship as well?↗

3:20:54@marcionite144adYes, if you go into my bio or my feed, if you look at the number one video where I'm talking about Saturn, breaking it down, there's a bunch of videos in there. One of those videos is called the Islamic Connection. You can also look it up on YouTube. And there's a great doctor there who breaks down all the similarities between Islam and Catholicism.↗

3:21:13@marcionite144adAnd he talks about how there was a priest of the Vatican, it was a Jesuit priest that once told this guy the secret about how So it's one big conspiracy.↗

3:21:54@scottandrewbI didn't really answer the question, though.↗

3:21:56@marcionite144adI'm just asking what kind of weight you put on the apocryphal gospels. A lot of them have been proven wrong, and there's reasons for it.↗

3:22:19@djfaluJust real quick, I'm going to say the gospel you mentioned, one of them, I believe, was Thomas. There's ways that they do this. Wes Huff is a guy that I listen to that proves it because he's a scholar of old parchments, not necessarily Bible, but history. So one of the things that they do is the kind of environment you have, the type of trees, the kind of food you eat, the names of the people, the land.↗

3:22:42@djfaluSo I think it's the gospel of Thomas says they took a boat to Jerusalem. And there's no way to get to Jerusalem by boat, if I'm correct. And I might be wrong on my city, but there's a city... No, it's on a mountain. Yeah, yeah. So there's something there that... That's just one example of like... So when you find one thing incorrect, you know it's wrong, and it's written at a different date.↗

3:23:03@scottandrewbThe Gospel of Thomas is what I was talking about. About the young Jesus' life and the stories... Well, if you have one thing that's proven a lie...↗

3:23:15@djfaluThat's why the whole thing has to be thrown out. Because like the other gentleman said, right, Major said, and Major, I threw you a file, I'd love to talk to you outside the space sometime. What he said was interesting too, because he said the dates, right, were hundreds of years after that. So there was a lot of people that wrote things and they called it Names of the Apostles, so they would get credit for it when really the Apostles had nothing to do with it.↗

3:23:42@marcionite144adIn fact, many of the gospels that are titled Matthew, Mark, they were floating around for a long time before they were ever titled Matthew and Mark. There were proto-gospels that they were trying to use to basically usurp. The Marcionite Movement, the original gospel, which is Paul's gospel. You know, Paul says, if anybody should try and preach to you a gospel other than the one that I preach, they should be cursed by God.↗

3:24:07@marcionite144adThat was Paul's gospel. And they did not include it in the modern Bible. They actually changed the name to Luke and Judaize it to large extents in order to basically write Paul and Marcion out of the modern Christian Bible.↗

3:24:23@marcionite144adIt's a massive, like, it was a 200-year, 250-year-long propaganda campaign that they waged against the early Christian movement in order to basically hijack it and usurp it and drag Christians back into the law and back under the control of, you know, Saturn, the Saturn cult, Saturn priest class.↗

3:24:38@scottandrewbOkay, so just so I'm clear, the original gospel, according to you, is the gospel of Paul, a.k.a. Saul. Yes, yeah, correct. Okay, good.↗

3:24:51@joann_marieExcellent, thank you so much, Scott. Seth, do you want to add anything?↗

3:24:55@sethianmanYeah, so I guess the question is, you know, what credence do I give to other apocryphal texts? Personally, I think, you know, just starting at the Nag Hammadi, which were the clay pots found in Egypt, there's 52 texts, 13 codices, and it does include, I think you said the Gospel of Philip was disproved, but... I would add that essentially the Canaanites descended from the Phoenicians who were the seafaring people.↗

3:25:26@sethianmanSo, yeah, actually they could take those boats to get there. Yes, they could. And, you know, to differentiate, oh, they had to climb a mountain. So what? Maybe they don't write about that, but they're the seafaring people. They're the wanderers, right, that keep repeating through time. There are many texts in here. Like I said, there's 52.↗

3:25:44@sethianmanThere's 13 codexes.↗

3:25:47@sethianmanBut to me, and I think they're all valid, and there are some that are not in here, like the Gospel of Judas, which is an apocryphal text, and I believe in that as well. I mean, it's for you to internalize, it's for you to research. And before internalizing it, I encourage you to take an academic perspective with an open mind and analyze all texts, analyze the Jewish texts, analyze the Greek and Roman texts.↗

3:26:13@sethianmanand definitely look at the Sumerian texts and mythology and just keep an open mind, right? Don't try to assign what the dogma has told you because I guarantee you're going to be psyoped by an ancient psyop and that's just the way that it is. We're all here in this space and we know that we've been psyoped, right? Every single person here, I mean, maybe there's one guy with an Israeli flag that's gonna say, I haven't been psyoped, okay.↗

3:26:43@sethianmanBut everybody else knows it. And so, yeah, the psyops has been going on for a long time. I don't necessarily give credence to all the apocryphal texts, but in particular of the Nag Hammadi, one that I think is very, very powerful and everyone should read no matter what, however you walk away from this, go read the Secret Book of John, the Apocryphon of John.↗

3:27:04@sethianmanThat is, in my opinion, the most powerful text that you can read. I don't want to say forget all the other ones in the Nag Hammadi, but if you read that, you're going to get a lot. And I really put all of my weight behind The Secret Book of John. It's kind of like the key that uncovers all this stuff. And just one last thing I just wanted to mention, Major has been so on point on many things he's said about the inversion.↗

3:27:32@sethianmanSaturnalia was the Roman holiday where everything was inverted. So if you were a master and you had slaves, the slaves become the masters and the masters become the slaves and everything is inverted, right? And that is the concept of the Saturnalia festival. And you did all kinds of sick things like orgies and with kids and Epstein style stuff.↗

3:27:52@sethianmanAnd it was accepted back then because you had to invert what was the norm. So now you're going to do these perverted things in the name of Yahweh, in the name of Saturn. That's what they did today. Our Christmas, our so-called Christmas, is Saturnalia. It's on the exact same time, exact same date.↗

3:28:10@natnewsnetworkSaturnalia was placed on that day 50 years after Christmas was a Christian holiday.↗

3:28:18@sethianmanIf you don't mind, please don't interrupt. Thank you.↗

3:28:20@natnewsnetworkNo, it's just false information. I wanted to correct you.↗

3:28:24@sethianmanWell, I actually could show you many proofs that I believe that all the elements of Saturnalia are there, and I was going to get to that before you interrupted me, which is the Asherah pole, the tree, which Asherah is the consort of Yahweh, of Baal. The worship of the tree is what you bring in the house for Christmas. That is the pole, that is the Asherah, that is Yahweh's consort.↗

3:28:52@sethianmanAnd this also goes to the Greek and Roman, and same concept, right? Another speaker asked about Venus and saying it references Lucifer, but also I could say that it references Asherah, also known as Ashtoreth, and the Asherah pole is the replication of... Ancient Saturnalia. So, you know, again, you can say, oh, you know, like, I have this text, I have that text.↗

3:29:20@sethianmanBut most of what I'm hearing you're saying are really drawing loose lines around the text versus actually, you know, you could, you know, cite the text that you're talking about. So people know exactly what you're talking about, because I think that there's opinion and then there's fact. And, you know, what I wanted to do in this space is to just simply go by the facts.↗

3:29:40@sethianmanYou can Dispute whether the texts are legitimate or authentic, but we can take them and we can compare them and we can start to draw some conclusions just simply on behavior, which I think is something that Ian has really done well with over the past few years is focusing on the behavior. Because, you know, it's not like every person who's Jewish is going to do something bad, is going to believe in all these things.↗

3:30:02@sethianmanBut the behavior, the archetype, the liar, murderer, wanderer, rapist, that archetype repeats. And Saturnalia is exactly what it's described where we invert things. And, you know, even the Orthodox Church in the East, they don't celebrate Christmas. They don't celebrate on that day. Right. So, you know, there's a lot to be said there.↗

3:30:28@sethianmanAnd we could debate about these things. And certainly we can go, you know, we go into it. But I would ask you to cite the text, the exact text and why you believe it. and really and keep it as factual as you can because you know we in this space we could do what they always do which is name calling oh you're an anti-semit oh you're a you're a you're a making up things well let's focus on the academic aspects of it and i think that that's a big part of this space certainly you know you also have to take in into account what's in your heart because i think that that really gives you a north star to the truth↗

3:31:04@sethianmanBut it really is what Iesu has said, right? And that is, you know, just to go back to answering the question, the secret book of John. That's where I put a lot of weight.↗

3:31:17@joann_marieExcellent. Thank you so much, Seth. Ultraviolet, welcome.↗

3:31:21@ultraviolet765Hi, guys. Yeah, I'll keep it short. Thank you, Ian, for hosting the space and the course. Wonderful spaces. I've really enjoyed it over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, Seth, thank you. Great talk. A lot of information, so I'll have to go back tomorrow and listen to the recording again. But one thing that really resonated with me was bringing it back to Cain all the time, because that's what kind of woke me up, was probably around 2022, I was fixated on it being just Marxism and that being the top of the problem, top of the issue.↗

3:31:57@ultraviolet765But it was realizing that, realizing myself that... Marxism, it just encouraged people to act out in the spirit of Cain and to rise up and be resentful and to kill your brother. And that's really all that's happening. It's all just inversions of things that are happening in the Bible. There's an element of peer bonding to Adam and Eve.↗

3:32:21@ultraviolet765Well, the Marxists want to destroy the nuclear family. Thou shall not murder. Well, Marxism says that you can murder if somebody's got something that you want. Thank you very much for your talk. I'll land it there because there's a lot of people waiting and they're much better speakers than me. But yeah, thank you for these spaces.↗

3:32:41@ultraviolet765They've been wonderful. And I really enjoy listening to Rabbi, to spankable people every now and again. It's great. So thank you all very much. Thank you.↗

3:32:51@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up. Seth, would you like to add anything?↗

3:32:56@sethianmanYeah, I would. Just something real quick. And so, you know, I just gave a whole lecture about proving things. And so full disclaimer, I can't prove this. If there's something I can't prove, I'm not going to reference it. Just my opinion. We could debate about it. It's fine. But the Marxist symbology on the flag, what is it?↗

3:33:14@sethianmanIt's a sickle and a hammer, right? And it's my opinion that that symbolism...↗

3:33:23@sethianmanis the symbolism of Cain and Tubal Cain. That's, I believe, where they got it. Cain is the harvester and tiller of fields, and he is the scythe, the sickle. And when you see the depictions of the angel of death, who is the Saturnian element of time. If Saturn and Cronus control time, then they control death, right? Birth and death and the physicality, which is really kind of what the Yahweh,↗

3:33:52@sethianmanI believe the Marxist symbology is Kane and Tubal Kane.↗

3:34:22@joann_marieAmazing. Thank you so much, Seth. All right. Rabbi, go for it.↗

3:34:28@malleusigYeah, thanks. I was going to comment on what was said before with Major Marcionite, because he said something that was really important I think that hasn't been commented enough. If you look at the Marcionite Bible, not only does it predate most of the other Bibles, right, the other works that we have, If you look in general, if you look at the concept of a heresy in general, there's no such thing as a heresy that's actually been proven wrong.↗

3:35:03@malleusigNot that I know of. If anyone knows one, a heresy that's been proven wrong by someone investigating it and showing why it was wrong, please do share with me. Every heresy that we know of has either been declared false by a majority of people or by force of arms. That does not make them false, first of all. Second of all, it means that the only reason they're called heresy is usually the threat or the expression of physical force up to and including slaughter of people, right?↗

3:35:35@malleusigSo again, the concept of a heresy in itself is fundamentally flawed. That said, if you look at the relationship between heresies and orthodoxy, heresies always predate Orthodoxies define themselves through the elimination of heresies. What that means is orthodoxies are a subtractive process. Orthodoxies only exist after you remove everything they decide that the orthodoxy is not.↗

3:36:12@malleusigThese two things, like when you put these two things together, what they mean is that We really should be looking into a lot of these heresies, not only because there's the outside chance that they're true, but there is a huge inside chance that we could be missing out on the closest concepts and the most, the concepts and the teachings that are the closest to what Jesus Christ himself taught.↗

3:36:40@malleusigWe could be missing out on Jesus's actual message by ignoring the things that some Asshole Emperor and 400 AD told us we weren't allowed to read. And I just try and stress that point as much as possible when these conversations come up. I get a lot of shit for believing in things like the Marcionite Bible, for saying that it has relevancy.↗

3:37:04@malleusigI get a lot of shit for saying I don't really understand where the basis for the Trinity comes from, never mind why people defend it so militantly, right? And this is worth discussing. Just the fact that we have a concept that in and of itself is fundamentally flawed really needs to be discussed.↗

3:37:28@joann_marieThank you, Rabbi. I like the Trinity. I have like a mashup of insane ideas all together. All right, Raed, go for it.↗

3:37:38@thelevantinemanYeah, two things. Very interesting. Thank you for that conversation. It's just... It's just so conducive to the investigation and for one to not stop when the narrative suits their biased. And for me, I continued with my investigation and then I had to really investigate Islam, that religion. Now, in terms of religion, I organized religion, I dismissed it, but I didn't throw everything.↗

3:38:14@thelevantinemanI had to look at the Quran and read it, and I read it one and a half times, I would say, but I had to investigate the Quran as well, that literature, that piece of literature. Now, what I found in that piece of literature, first of all, it helped me see the group that we talk about and how evil it is. It confirmed to me, because it's very clear in a chapter that says,↗

3:38:43@thelevantinemanGod does not have a son. So it denies not only the Trinity that denies it completely, it denies that Jesus or God has a son and Jesus is the son of God in how we see it.↗

3:39:10@thelevantinemanChristian religion says about it and so many other wisdoms that have like nothing to do with Christianity. So to say that to dismiss that literature, not the religion, mind you, because it's the same pattern that I saw when I investigated Paul and how much can I trust that man after Jesus was put on the cross? I couldn't fully trust, right?↗

3:39:40@thelevantinemanThat's just me. And the same thing happened after that literature of the Quran showed up and then how it was also corrupted and converted and changed into a movement that today is a religion that has nothing to do with the wisdom inside that book. So my recommendation is that, you know... Keep investigating, keep digging.↗

3:40:05@thelevantinemanThe truth is the ultimate thing that we're looking for. And do not go into confirmation bias just because you feel that your group now or your thinking is satisfied. Always push your thinking, learn more. Actually, also what I liked about the Quran that also says, it says of more miracles, like it confirmed to me Christ.↗

3:40:31@thelevantinemanThank you, Ian. Thank you, Joanne. And I love it that it doesn't devolve into any...↗

3:40:59@thelevantinemanYou know, we're listening to each other. We're taking our turns. It's just so I think Christ is in the room, actually. Yes. Thank you.↗

3:41:09@joann_marieThank you so much. Right. Seth, would you like to add anything?↗

3:41:14@sethianmanOh, I just I love what Raed said and the beautiful words you've said. And, you know, there's I believe that I believe the spirit is here right now. It's in this room with us and it's not always present. You know, it's not. You know, I see horrible things on X. I see these kids in Palestine. And I mean, you know, I think that he's there in a way.↗

3:41:36@sethianmanBut in this, you know, I think that in the way that we could see it and know what's wrong and know him and know him, you know, by connecting to each other through our hearts in this room, I just feel it. I totally feel it. And I just wanted to say, so thank you, Raed. It's very beautiful and resonates with me a lot. And someone, I don't know who said it, said that it don't resonate with the Trinity.↗

3:42:02@sethianmanAnd something I wanted to share, if you haven't read The Secret Book of John, there's all these texts, and they're on gnosis.org, which is a great free resource. In that text, there's a mention of the triple power and the... Father, Mother, Son. I'll just read real quick from it. Just a few sentences. Adamus spoke. Adamus is what the Jews would call Adam Kadmon.↗

3:42:34@sethianmanIt's Adam before the physical body of Adam. It's what came from the Monad into Adam, his Holy Spirit. Adamus spoke glorifying and praising the invisible spirit. Everything has come into being from you. Everything will return to you. I will praise you and glorify you and the auto genes and the triple realm. The Father, Mother, Son, The Perfect Power.↗

3:42:56@sethianmanAnd it's mentioned multiple times in this text as the invisible spirit. That's what we know as the Holy Spirit. Barbello might be a new concept to some. You haven't heard that before. Barbello is the Holy Mother. And the autogenes, the self-generated or divine son from Barbello. And I think that there is some... you know we can debate about this but I think there's something beautiful in there in this archetype that repeats itself that in order to to bring a child into this world that you have the father and the mother I think that archetype is repeated and if you if you do read this text just check that out because it might add some color to the Trinity oh thanks that was me yeah no I think that the the this triple this idea of anything that comes in threes like this has↗

3:43:46@malleusigIt has innate power, innate suggestive and archetypical power. But I don't find the Trinity as it's given to us by Christianity persuasive. I believe in things like the power, the wisdom, and the love of God. These three things being an important unit. But I've never understood why it is that I'm forced to believe and to recite↗

3:44:16@malleusigthat Jesus the Christ is God and he's also kind of not God at the same time and he's part of this trinity of God and the Holy Spirit and Him and all these things are also all God but they're also all still at the same time and it didn't make sense until I started reading history of the Byzantine Empire and I found out that the only reason we're taught this is because↗

3:44:42@malleusigThe Byzantines, like the Aryans and the non-Aryans, they were tearing each other apart. Like you had to have, I think it was, was it Constantine? It was one of the first emperors that literally had to just come in and say, listen, okay, guys, we're not going to do this anymore. Stop killing each other. We're just going to make a law or we're going to declare that this is the truth and everyone has to get on board or get the fuck out.↗

3:45:06@malleusigThat was the only way he'd get them to stop killing each other and fighting. So that's why we believe that, right? Was that Nicaea? What's that?↗

3:45:14@thelevantinemanYeah, it's one of the Nicaeas. Constantine with Nicaea.↗

3:45:17@malleusigNo, it wasn't Nicaea. It was before Nicaea. I can look it up. But the controversy was you had this one group, I think the Aryans believed that Jesus Christ was, he was divine, but he was fully human, right? And the others were like, no, he's fully God. And then the others believed that he was fully human and fully God at the same time.↗

3:45:41@malleusigAnd the way they broke this was they just, the emperor just said, listen, okay, he's, so Jesus is fully human and fully God at the same time. All of it, this is what you all have to believe now. Stop arguing and, you know, get your shit together. I don't know if that was, it was before or after the Muslims.↗

3:45:59@djfaluThere were more than one, and I see it was one where Arius, they left it undone. Then they reconvened again after.↗

3:46:07@malleusigYeah. But they were like, listen, we have to fight the fucking Persians, guys. Get your shit together and stop doing this and go do what we have to do.↗

3:46:18@joann_marieSeth, would you like to add anything?↗

3:46:21@sethianmanYeah, I think everybody is on a journey in the research and digging into these things. And there's definitely a lot of things that have been corrupted over time. But I would urge you, Rabbi, to check out the Secret Book of John and read about this because there is a lot of context in there about Barbello and the triple power and this kind of this archetype of mother, father, son.↗

3:46:52@sethianmanAnd kind of, you know, as humans, we have to have a pattern matching to understand anything. Like I can only know what one color is by taking two colors in my mind and... Melding them together. So we have to have some form of reference to understand things. That's the way our brains work. And so I think that there is some archetype there.↗

3:47:10@sethianmanBut it's for you, I think, spiritually and also academically to find it in the text and to make sense of it. If it doesn't make sense to you, then I think we're both kind of of the same mindset. But I would urge you to dig into this text.↗

3:47:26@malleusigNo, we agree, and I do believe that it's a stronger type and that it has power. I just, I think it's, for me, this always looked like a corruption of it. And whoever said Nicaea before, I just looked it up. You actually are correct. I apologize. It was Nicaea that this happened.↗

3:47:41@allegedly_fortiSo if I could just, just enter.↗

3:47:43@natnewsnetworkYeah, it was Constantine, who was actually a pagan, right?↗

3:47:48@allegedly_fortiSo if I could just interject here, I just wanted to read something that I posted down below. It's from the general Gnostic teachings, and I think it adds to what we're discussing right now. And it says, but every so often a messenger from the Palermo, which would be like the heavens, descends. The Gnostics believe that the true Christ was such a messenger, not the suffering figure of literal history, but the descending light who came to remind humanity of its hidden origin.↗

3:48:16@allegedly_fortiSalvation, therefore, was not forgiveness but Gnosis, which is knowledge, the awakening of the inner flame. For the Gnostics, the imperfections of the world came from the demiurge, not the highest reality. Even so, each person carries a fragment of true divinity within. To awaken, one must recognize this inner light and remember where you truly come from.↗

3:48:38@allegedly_fortiThe infinite lives quietly in you, untouched by the limits of the material world. And to me, personally, that resonates hard. And that resonates with what I get out of the teachings of Christianity and other spiritual teachings is that the true God, the real source, not the demiurge, but the real source, peers down on this creation of us every now and then and does interject and tries to send us a teacher, a prophet, somebody who's not necessarily↗

3:49:14@allegedly_fortiDr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Dr. Strange↗

3:49:44@allegedly_fortiA good creator, a good source would look at its children.↗

3:49:52@natnewsnetworkYeah, that's basically what the Kabbalah teaches, right?↗

3:50:00Speaker 2I don't think so.↗

3:50:01@natnewsnetworkNo. It is exactly that, right? Gnosticism comes from heteronormative Judaism.↗

3:50:07@thelevantinemanSuch a party pooper.↗

3:50:10@natnewsnetworkAs I said before, it's heresy. If you want to call it something else, you can. That's quite literally Jewish teaching.↗

3:50:21@malleusigNo, Gnosis isn't Jewish teaching.↗

3:50:23@natnewsnetworkGnosis comes from heterodox Judaism.↗

3:50:29@natnewsnetworkIt's a blend of Mesopotamian satan worship. It is a blend of Neoplatonism, which is basically Kabbalah.↗

3:50:39@malleusigBut there's no satan worship in it. So how can you call it a blend of satan worship?↗

3:50:44@natnewsnetworkSaturn worship. But yeah, it is satan worship. It's not satan worship either. It's not satan worship, though. There's no satan worship in Gnosticism. You can be as gods. Who said that? There it is.↗

3:50:59@djfaluIt talks about the Father, Son, Mother Trinity. That goes back to Ishtar, Apollo, Saturn. I mean, it's all in pagan history. That's what the pantheon is. I stood inside it.↗

3:51:12@natnewsnetworkYeah, that's where Gnosticism emerged from.↗

3:51:16@djfaluAnd that's where the Trinity comes from, and that's why the Trinity is merged in Catholicism, because the word Catholic means universal. We worship everyone.↗

3:51:23@natnewsnetworkYeah, Catholicus, I know.↗

3:51:26@malleusigNo, but you can't just casually link Gnosticism to Kabbalism, though, Paradis. You have to cite something to back that up. Where are the differences? You're the one making the point. You have to give us evidence. The whole concept is basically the same, right? No, it isn't. You're making the case that the whole concept is different from established Orthodox Christianity, and so everything outside of that is the same thing, which doesn't make any sense.↗

3:51:56@djfaluBut the established Orthodox Christianity started with Catholicism, which is a diversion from actual Christianity in every religion in the world almost that came out of Christianity. And what Lutheranism is a diversion from what Jesus taught and the apostles taught.↗

3:52:14@malleusigWait, what's a diversion, Christianity?↗

3:52:17@djfaluCatholicism is the first, one of the biggest. No apostle baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. No apostle baptized the baby.↗

3:52:28@thelevantinemanNo one prayed to Mary. Rabbi, when you say orthodoxy, do you mean orthodoxy as in the original message? Or do you mean the Orthodox Church, not the Vatican? What do you mean when you say orthodoxy so we're on the same page?↗

3:52:45@malleusigYeah, it's kind of weird. When I say it, I mean... The Orthodox Church as we have it now. That's what I mean when I use it.↗

3:52:57@djfaluAnd when was that founded? 1,200 years after? Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.↗

3:53:05Ian MalcolmSo here's what we're going to do. And I say this because I know we've been going here for maybe three, four hours. And there are a lot of people, even at the present moment, there's a half dozen folks that want to try and come up and share a little bit of their thoughts. And so what I would love to be able to do is to make sure that all of those voices do get to get heard as part of this process.↗

3:53:28Ian MalcolmAnd so I imagine that we can all go around and around and around. And actually, I really appreciate, and I just want to call this out, not only that we have, of course, Sethian and some others like The Major that are very, The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

3:53:48Ian MalcolmAll kinds of other opposing views. And I really love that we have Veritas up here that's maybe providing a completely antithetical view. I think he actually referred to it directly as heresy, right? So this is the good thing.↗

3:53:59@natnewsnetworkHeresy, heresy. But yeah, heresy as well. There was a lot of heresy, especially Islam being influenced by Catholicism when it is clearly a Jewish Gnostic style, right? Yeah. Gnostic teachings are in Islam. The Mahdi is basically the Antichrist.↗

3:54:40Ian MalcolmAnd so why don't we do this? We'll go through a round robin through Mandy, then we'll go to history. Then what we will do is kind of cycle some additional voices up. I know Dr. Strange and a whole bunch of others wanted to share their take. So what we'll try to do is to keep this a little bit more condensed and consolidated.↗

3:54:56Ian MalcolmWhen we get through these hands to make sure that we do respect all those that were waiting, we will come right back here. And I'm sure we can go around and around and around until Mr. True Teller opens up. But that being said, let's go to Mandy. I'm going to drop down. I need to get some sleep.↗

3:55:18@marcionite144adI'm dropping down. Later, guys.↗

3:55:20@joann_marieThank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Ian.↗

3:55:24@natnewsnetworkI have to go as well, but I wanted to finish my point here.↗

3:55:28Speaker 2Oh my god!↗

3:55:28@natnewsnetworkI was interrupted mid-sentence again.↗

3:55:33Speaker 2You jumped in!↗

3:55:34@thelevantinemanI didn't know it was you! You interrupted everyone. Come on, dude.↗

3:55:39@mandyarthurOkay, can I go?↗

3:55:41@natnewsnetworkSo Gnosticism emerged from Hetero. Oh my God, it's Mandy's turn right now.↗

3:55:50Speaker 2Go for it, Mandy.↗

3:55:51@mandyarthurOkay. Hello, Ian. Hello, Julianne. Hello, Seth. Thank you for letting me speak. I'll just be super quick because I'm in the middle of a bunch of work, but I've been listening and I had my ears perked up a couple of times and I thought I'd... Just ask a couple of questions in good faith. I'm not a subscriber of most of the beliefs that have been put forth, but I do not condemn or hate anybody who seeks the truth.↗

3:56:20@mandyarthurAnd if you're in Christ, then you're my brother. So there's no hate in any of these questions. There were a couple of times that you said... What do you feel in your heart about this?↗

3:56:56@mandyarthurNumber one, in the Old Testament, it says the heart is deceitful above all things. This is something I've thought of quite a bit. Also, trust the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. And then in the New Testament, it says, but those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart and they defile the man.↗

3:57:15@mandyarthurFor out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murderers, adulteries, fornications, theft, false witness, blasphemies. There's another part in Mark where it says all these things come from within and defile the man. So Jesus did talk about these things. Now, if you think that Jesus really did or not, if you accept that part of the Bible, whatever.↗

3:57:35@mandyarthurBut if we say things like just trust in your heart and there are people like Jeffrey Dahmer in the world, people like Netanyahu in the world who would say, yeah, my heart is telling me I need to kill these people. It seems like the heart. It seems like, you know, Jesus was right about that. And. In the New Testament, when Jesus told his disciples, they said, what are we going to do when you leave?↗

3:57:57@mandyarthurAnd he said, don't worry, I'll send the Spirit of Truth, in some translations, the Holy Spirit.↗

3:58:22@mandyarthurWho will be your guide? What is your opinion on those two things?↗

3:58:52@sethianmanI hope that you have a good heart. I hope that you have, and I've mentioned this earlier, you know, you might be blinded, right? And the name Yaldabaoth in the Christian Gnostic text has many names, but he really goes by this concept of blind fool. Sockless is one of his names, which means blind fool. If your heart is blinded, if your heart is hardened, then yes, that might be what you believe.↗

3:59:18@sethianmanAnd, you know, when I'm telling people to trust in your heart, I hope that people have the spirit in their heart. And I believe if you do, then you're going to go the right way. I think a lot of people in this room can look into their heart and see what's happening in Palestine and they feel... discussed it. They feel sad for people that should be their brothers.↗

3:59:41@sethianmanHow could you justify it with this biblical text? And for me, that really is a big separator. When I discovered the Gnostic, I never could really reconcile any of this, so I really rejected it. And when I discovered the Secret Book of John and discovered the Nag Hammadi and some of these texts, it started to make sense.↗

3:59:59@sethianmanAnd then I said, hey, I'm going to look at the Greek texts. I'm going to look at the Roman texts because I was a student of those as well. And it started to make a lot of sense how that's syncretized together. So it's not that things could be said in the Old Testament that are not true or, you know, again, going back to this idea of tester, Hasatan is a tester.↗

4:00:24@sethianmanYou're going to be deceived in many ways. And something that might seem good at first, like maybe, you know, the Catholic Church has its issues. I'll say that we were talking about Saturn and that symbology. You see it in the Catholic Church as well as Islam. You see the circumambulating of the Kaaba, the 365 deities that preceded.↗

4:00:49@sethianmanThey were allegedly smashed, but you see this element of Saturn, the stone, which many... Many students of Western magic believe that is the Saturnian stone. And so again, in the Catholic Church, you have like the Capella Romano, which is essentially like the Saturnian. It literally means a Saturnian hat. So yeah, you know, if you have evil in your heart, if you if you're devoid of the spirit, then then maybe, you know, you're going to go in the opposite direction.↗

4:01:23@sethianmanOne other thing I'll just add is the in the Christian Gnostic text, there's it speaks of the three Archetypes of the Heilig and the Heilig is the of the material world that really is like the Saturnian physical element. It's the Trump in the Golden Age and and Pam Bondi saying, do you know what the price of the Dow is?↗

4:01:42@sethianmanIt's like there is no spirit. There is no nothing beyond this physicality. Then you have the psychic, which is in between, which recognizes some of these things. It's not all physic. Phisical, but it's psychical and it's in your mind as well as in your heart. And then you have the pneumatic, which is broken free from these archetypes and recognizes the divinity in Iesua, in the monad and what the Gnostics call the Pleroma.↗

4:02:08@sethianmanAnd I think that that's very true. I think that many people in this world are on autopilot. And if you ask a Christian Zionist today in America, how do you feel about what's happening? You know, some of these guys who, you know, they're good people otherwise in every other way, but I would say that they're brainwashed because they'll tell you with a straight face on.↗

4:02:28@sethianmanPeople with kids will say, well, those Palestinians were going to be terrorists anyways. They were going to be bad people anyways. How could you believe that? How could you reach into your heart? And maybe, I think in some ways, when you get kind of trapped in this physical world of stuff and money and everything's physical and you're in the hylic world, then yes, it's easy to fall into that trap.↗

4:02:53@mandyarthurThank you. I just have one follow-up question. Is it your idea that, because it sounded like it, that some people are born with bad hearts?↗

4:03:06@sethianmanWell, you know, it's interesting. I think that, you know, in the same way, we're all born with... Different characteristics, you know, if we just want to focus on the physical for a moment, you know, we're born with genetic characteristics. Some people are better musicians or athletes or thinkers or, you know, they're from your parents, right?↗

4:03:25@sethianmanYou get these characteristics. So I think that everybody is kind of born in different ways, certain characteristics. And I do believe that somebody could be born in a way that, you know, it might be hard for them to break free of it. But... One of the interesting things is in this concept of Christian Gnosticism, which I'd like to add what that other guy, Veritas, was saying.↗

4:03:48@sethianmanThere's a confusion of Gnosticism or the esoteric Gnosticism like the OTO, like Alexander Crowley and the Golden Dawn, and then the Christian Gnosticism. People get those two things confused. It's like saying national socialism is socialism. They're actually different. They share a similar name, but they're not the same thing.↗

4:04:09@sethianmanI think people do tend to get those confused and they think of the negative thing and they get stuck on that. In the Christian Gnostic text, the blind god, Yaldabaoth, who's also called Sockless, Yaldabaoth is son of Caius, Sockless is blind fool, Samael, he basically... He essentially is ignorant. It's not only a blind fool, but I think Samael is an ignorant god.↗

4:04:39@sethianmanSo the evil to the Christian Gnostics is ignorance. And ignorance can become overcome by knowledge or gnosis or truth. And if you look at the archetype of the original liar and murderer, he is false. As Yeshua says, that you are of your father. You know, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning.↗

4:05:05@sethianmanHe's referencing Cain, in my opinion, who in the Secret Book of John is Yahweh. And when I read that, I had never read that before. I had never read that Eve was raped and that that was the creation of Cain, that Cain was Yahweh and Abel was Elohim. And then that archetype repeats through Jacob and Esau. It repeats through Yeshua, who's also, again, sacrificed, right?↗

4:05:29@sethianmanAnd, yeah, you know, people are, there are going to be people that are going to say they don't agree with me, but the evil is ignorance, in my opinion, and I do believe you can overcome ignorance with knowledge.↗

4:05:45@thelevantinemanDid he cut out?↗

4:05:47@joann_marieNo, he landed it. I'm starting to understand Seth now.↗

4:05:53@mandyarthurSorry, go for it, man. I have a really quick note about that. It's just, I think it's... I don't believe that anyone is born lesser than anyone else. So I just wanted to clarify that that's not...↗

4:06:27@sethianmanWhat I believe. I believe that you can be... So let's go back to that parallel. Let's look at that for a second. If you were born in Israel and you were raised this way, and you were told from, you know, you see these videos on X where the kindergartners are, what should we do to Amalek? Oh, my dad beat up the Arabs, whatever.↗

4:06:44@sethianmanYou know, as a young person, you're highly impressionable, right? And I'm not saying... You know, I'm not saying somebody's born evil in their hearts. I think that you have different characteristics. And as a young person, you know, there's another thing that Isua says about, you know, who harms the little ones should have a millstone put around his neck.↗

4:07:05@sethianmanAnd I know that that quote came up a lot when we discovered Epstein, you know, because it was kind of like for us, if you believe in Isua, well, I think that's kind of what Epstein deserves, right? And so, but what he says is he says to make the little ones stumble. And to me, that means as a Christian Gnostic, as a Sethian, I believe that that means to give them a lie, a false knowledge, which is the archetype of the original liar, like Esau said.↗

4:07:36@sethianmanSo you lie to the children, you cause them to stumble, then yeah, they will not have true knowledge. They'll have a false knowledge. And I don't think that, you know, Jewish people or Israelis that, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

4:08:05@sethianmanAnd that's hard, I think, for a Christian to hear because in our minds we've just been taught, you know, oh, he's bad, he's bad, he's bad. Well, you know, it's ignorance versus truth, lies versus truth. That's how I like to look at it.↗

4:08:22@joann_marieAmazing. Thank you so much, Seth. All right. Oh, my God.↗

4:08:28Ian MalcolmLet's go to history. History?↗

4:08:34@h1storymediaCool. Thanks. Can you hear me?↗

4:08:37Speaker 1Yeah, welcome.↗

4:08:39@h1storymediaCool. Appreciate it. Thanks for letting me up. Man, there was so much that I wanted to address, but I'm going to do my best to keep it short, as short as I can. A while back, there was a discussion going on about some of the languages of Christ and of the surrounding Judea area. I just wanted to quickly point out It's been well noted by historians and theologians and other historians, whether they're Christian or not, that a lot of these people in Judea at the time were trilingual.↗

4:09:16@h1storymediaSo a lot of them spoke all three, Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. We've dug up dozens and dozens of these Greek text written ossuaries, which is basically like a bone box where they would Put the bones of their loved ones in there. That was personal to the families themselves. The question is, if all these people spoke Aramaic, then why wouldn't these extremely personal, familial items be written in Aramaic?↗

4:09:58@h1storymediaI just wanted to point that out because I think it's more than likely a possibility that Jesus If at the very least, not only spoke Aramaic, but possibly spoke Greek, and possibly even spoke Greek primarily. So I just wanted to throw that out, that that is a possibility technically.↗

4:10:18@djfaluHistory has put that answer in the bottom. I grokked it and it explains it exactly like you said. It's Greek in the marketplace, Hebrew in the home and synagogue, and Aramaic for the Jewish people of their daily between the Jews.↗

4:10:31@thelevantinemanAnd there was no written Aramaic, mind you.↗

4:10:36@h1storymediaRight, yeah. So anyway, so I just wanted to say that, but it seems, you know, you guys already know that, so that's good. So I wanted to real quick touch on this secret Gospel of John, because I remember I went through it. I went through most of the Nagamati Library about a year or so back, and there's a lot of interesting stuff in there.↗

4:10:58@h1storymediaI liked reading through the Gospel of Thomas. I liked reading through the Gospel of Philip. Um, and then I got to the Secret Gospel of John, and I, uh, well, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there to say the least. I mean, first there's the idea that Eve got raped by this Yaldabaos, which is an interesting claim in and of itself, and then from that, uh, came what was said, you know, Eloheen or Elohim, depending on the translation, and then Yahweh, so...↗

4:11:32@h1storymediaNot even two names, two titles. Born from Eve, which is also interesting.↗

4:11:39@h1storymediaAnd he creates the universe because he is ignorant, right? He doesn't know where he came from, but then he declares, I am God and there's no other God beside me. And it's like this hilarious irony because he thinks that he's the supreme God precisely because he doesn't know about the higher divine reality which he originated from.↗

4:12:02@h1storymediaum and i i've never heard i i don't i don't know maybe i'm wrong maybe i have to go back through it but i don't recall reading that cain uh was yahweh i actually recall reading that according to the secret gospel of john cain was the sun um which is interesting because it like incorporates cain into this cosmic hierarchy and identifies cain as the one whom the generations of humanity call the sun so in like it↗

4:12:31@h1storymediaI guess there's different versions too, but in the longer version, Cain appears among Yaldabaoth's authorities. So Cain isn't just the biblical murderer anymore, he's been transformed into this astral, cosmic power kind of thing. But anyway, I don't agree with much in that particular text. Interestingly enough, I did like the Gospel of Thomas, and I can't ignore the fact that↗

4:13:05@h1storymediaThere are some good things in some of these texts. And to quote Aristotle, it's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without immediately accepting it. So I'm not necessarily disparaging anybody that reads these things. I would never do that because it's important to read. It's important to get a grasp on these things.↗

4:13:26@h1storymediaInterestingly enough, if I remember correctly, they actually dug up some of Plato's works. In the Nag Hammadi Library. But anyway, to address the actual prompt of the space, who was the God of the Old Testament?↗

4:13:41@h1storymediaWell, first, that kind of depends. You have to define some terms a little bit because there's the singular word, the singular generic word for God, which is El. That could be Big G or Little G, God, but it's just the singular generic word, just like Baal is just a generic word for Lord. Like, you could be the Baal of your household, so the Lord of your house.↗

4:14:04@h1storymediaNow, if that's followed up by something like Baal-Hadad, for example, well, then we know who that is. That's, like, an actual, that's an actual, like, God in a particular pantheon, and so on and so forth. But, anyway. And then there's Elohim, which is the plural of El. So, gods, plural, typically little g, usually. But there's some interesting things that goes on with this, because I don't personally believe that the God of the Old Testament... Well, first of all, I don't believe that there is just one Elohim mentioned in the Old Testament.↗

4:14:42@h1storymediaIn fact, I know there isn't. For example, if we look at Deuteronomy 32, we see... A hierarchy established amongst the earth by the divine. The Most High, which is translated to Elion, so El, Elion, God Most High. Actually, he delegates Israel to Yahweh. It says it right there in Deuteronomy 32. So, one is the giver, the other is the receiver.↗

4:15:14@h1storymediaRight, so it's, like... For me, just that alone is enough to make me question whether or not what a lot of people have to say about Yahweh being God the Father or being Jesus Christ. I don't believe either of those things. I think Yahweh is the lesser Elohim that was established to be over Israel. And if you look at the rest of the Old Testament, it just serves to kind of back this up through various means and metrics because let's just start...↗

4:15:44@h1storymediaAt the beginning, in Genesis, for example, in Genesis chapter 1, the word Elohim, you know, within the first like handful of chapters in Genesis, the word Elohim plural is used like well over a hundred times. And then there's the plurality of the actual creation story. Let us make man in our image and our likeness. which people like to say, oh, well, that's the Trinity.↗

4:16:12@h1storymediaBut the Israelites who were writing these books had absolutely no concept of the Trinity at the time. So I find that to be a bit ridiculous. You see in Isaiah, I'm trying to remember, is it Isaiah chapter 52? I don't remember. It's in Isaiah. Okay, yeah. We literally see two Yahwehs in the same sentence. Evening, this is pretty late.↗

4:16:41Speaker 2No, stop. Okay. Okay.↗

4:16:45@h1storymediaOkay, thank you. So anyway, so right there in Isaiah, we have two Yahwehs mentioned at the same time, says, you know, one is the king of Israel, and the other is Yahweh of hosts, the Redeemer. We see in Daniel chapter 10, The Archangel Michael has to come down and fight something known as the Prince of Persia. Well, who is that?↗

4:17:15@h1storymediaWell, that's Marduk. For anyone that's wondering, that's the Prince of Persia. Marduk was the Babylonian god. And after the Persians defeated the Babylonians, the Persians adopted Marduk and actually sought to rebuild the Temple of Marduk. Because according to them, Marduk commanded them to do it. So we have cosmic warfare.↗

4:17:41@h1storymediaWe have multiple Elohim mentioned. We have a divine council, which is established in Psalm 82. And that divine council never dissolves, right? And people always try and say, oh, well, Psalm 82, that's about human rulers and human judges. Okay, well, tell me this. When's the last time any one of you have ever heard of a punishment for a human?↗

4:18:07@h1storymediaAs being given as, oh, your punishment for your crime is that you will die like a man. That doesn't sound like much of a punishment. We're all men. Well, I guess some of you here are women, so I apologize. But we all die like men, right? Because we're human. So, dying like a man is only a punishment if something else is to be expected.↗

4:18:31@h1storymediaAnd that was the whole point of Psalm 82. These Elohim had misbehaved on the earth. The Earth had become corrupted. The head of the council, who is Elion, called the council together to render judgment unto these beings. Anyway, long story short, I think the main character of the Old Testament, which is... That's another thing I want to add real quickly.↗

4:19:03@h1storymediaTo me, I can't really... I can't really say 100% for certain, but I'm about 85% certain that Yahweh is not even a name. It's rather, it seems to function much better as a title. YHWH seems to function much more appropriately as a title. Now, why do I say that? Well, it seems that El Shaddai primarily used this title of Yahweh.↗

4:19:31@h1storymediaEl Shaddai was the Elohim that Job... The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man,↗

4:20:05@h1storymediaWorshipped and gave sacrifices and so on and so forth to the Elohim of Israel. That's another question.↗

4:20:16@allegedly_fortiJust try to land it soon, bro. We were trying to get through a bunch of hands, but I appreciate you just trying to land it up soon.↗

4:20:22@h1storymediaYeah, no, I'm basically done. It seems like that's more or less who the Elohim of the Old Testament was. Seems that it was El Shaddai, Elohim of Israel, who was given Israel by Elion. I don't really see many characteristics shared with Satan. And yeah, I'll land it there. Thanks.↗

4:20:42Ian MalcolmMuch appreciated. And I apologize, Mr. Raef, we had to kind of curtail there. I'm just trying to make sure that we get a chance for Khurram and Wolf, who will be the final. No, that's fine. I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, of course. I'm just going to let them be the final.↗

4:20:58@allegedly_fortiI don't think Dr. Strange has gone yet either.↗

4:21:00Ian MalcolmOh, that's correct. I apologize. We'll go Dr. Strange, then we'll go to Wolf, then we'll go to Khurram. And then we're going to come back up and get some parting remarks here from our wonderful guest speaker, Mr. Sethian Man. And we will, of course, then recommend everybody go over to the Incomparable Truth Tellers room, who he has just opened up.↗

4:21:21Ian MalcolmJoanne just jumped over there. And so if we could, and I don't mean to keep everybody... Extremely brief, but if we could try just in respect for Seth, because I know he has to head out here, if we could try to keep things maybe, let's say, under a minute or two, that'd be wonderful. Let's go Dr. Strange, then Wolf, and then Khurram.↗

4:21:45@submission2tHi, and great space as usual. Thank you so much for giving me the mic. Appreciate it. So I heard a couple of different things here, and I wanted to at least provide at least my perspective. I've heard this a few times in various different spaces that somehow Catholicism invented Islam.↗

4:22:08@submission2tI don't know where to begin. This actually goes back to the 1980s. There's a guy by the name of Alberto Rivera who claimed to be an ex-Jesuit with inside knowledge of the Vatican plots. And he wrote this paper in this publication called Chick Publications. And Chick Publications was owned by Jack Chick, who is a fundamentalist Baptist with strongly anti-Catholic views, outlook.↗

4:22:45@submission2tSo nonetheless, this is the first time in the history of Christianity or Catholicism or whatever that this kind of a document had come forth. There's no other record whatsoever, historically, of this being the case. And then there were two Protestant outlets who investigated Rivera, Rivera's biography. And it was investigated by Christian Today and Cornerstone magazine.↗

4:23:19@submission2tAnd it turned out that he was Not a Jesuit, he had fabricated his credentials and he had a record of fraud. And the same publisher also claimed that the Vatican created communism, Nazism, Freemasonry, the Jehovah's Witness, and Mormonism. So there's a lot to be said on this, and there's not a single primary source, a document, a letter, a chronicle, the name of a priest or a date.↗

4:23:51@submission2tto back up his story that somehow the Vatican or the Pope created Islam or Islam was an invention of the Vatican. There's no Vatican archive or in Latin, Greek, Syriac, or Arabic text from that century that mentions it. Again, this claim only appeared in, I think, 1988 after 1400 years for the first time. And the other thing is historically for anybody who studied history,↗

4:24:21@submission2tThere was no presence of Catholicism or Catholics in the Hejaz in the 6th and 7th century. There are so many loopholes in this, so I don't know. People read something, and because they've read it and it was published, automatically somehow they take it as divine, this is the authority, even though it's filled with errors, and the guy who wrote it was a complete fraud.↗

4:24:47@submission2tSo that's one, and I don't want to go too much into it, but I hope you guys can do your own research. Just look at Alberto Rivera and you'll see where this comes from. The other point that was made was that somehow the Mahdi is the Antichrist. Again, I don't want to target anyone, but this is like the epitome of ignorance.↗

4:25:15@submission2tThe Mahdi is a human being with no intrinsic power at all from the Sunni Islamic perspective. He comes in and rules for about seven to nine years, receives no revelation. He's not a prophet. He's just a leader, but he is blessed by God. He does not even know that he's the Mahdi. The people identify him and then elect him as a leader.↗

4:25:41@submission2tSubsequently, afterwards, the Antichrist appears. With immense power and all kinds of powers that he can do, perform, like bring people from the dead alive, kill people and then bring them back, make it rain, all kinds of powers that you possibly imagine. And then he reigns for 40 days, but one day feels like a year. The second day feels like a month.↗

4:26:13@submission2tThe third day feels like a week. So altogether, it feels like a year and a half has passed after 40 days. And then I think around the 40th day, Jesus, peace be upon him, arrives. And then when he arrives, of course, Jesus is a prophet. He has miracles. He's the only one that can kill the Antichrist. In Islamic... In Islamic literature, the Antichrist is referred to as the Dajjal.↗

4:26:42@submission2tAnd so according to Islamic sources, the mere sight of Jesus, peace be upon him, melts the Antichrist away. And it actually happens close to Ben-Gurion, where Ben-Gurion Airport is now. So the dajjal will actually be in Israel, essentially. This is where he will be killed. And this is where the final battle happens. And it's Jesus who ends up killing the Antichrist.↗

4:27:23@submission2tAnd then subsequently, Jesus leads humanity for a number of years, and then he also basically destroys Gog and Magog, because... After Dajjal a few years later or something, the Gog and Magog comes in. One other point is that the reason why Al-Aqsa Mosque is so holy for Muslims is because Muslims believe that this is the portal of ascension into the heavens.↗

4:27:59@submission2tSo Jesus, peace be upon him, was raised into the heavens from that location. There were other prophets that went up and down from that location. So this is one of the key reasons why Al-Aqsa Mosque is so holy for Muslims, because it's a portal into the heavens from our perspective. Now, the other point I wanted to raise is I've got a question for my fellow Christian brethren.↗

4:28:29@submission2tFrom a Christian perspective, what According to the Bible, I'm not asking people's opinion. According to the Bible, if you can point me to a specific verse, what is the purpose of life? If anybody can answer that.↗

4:28:48@h1storymediaWell, you still have to deal with the Islamic dilemma, buddy.↗

4:28:53@h1storymediaBefore we even get to philosophical questions like that.↗

4:28:58@thelevantinemanAll with your prejudice and bigotry history. Let the guy finish.↗

4:29:05@h1storymediaWell, he believes our scriptures are corrupted. So, right?↗

4:29:11@submission2tDo you believe that? Look, if we believe everything that's revealed in the Bible, then we wouldn't be called Muslims. We would be called Christians, right? This is why you have differences in religions. Otherwise, they'd all be the same.↗

4:29:32@h1storymediaBut we have corrupted scriptures, according to you, right?↗

4:29:36@submission2tAccording to Islam, the original revelation that was sent to... There was 124,000 prophets sent to mankind throughout history. The original revelation were not kept, were basically... were lost in translation, corrupted. And by the way, many Christians attest to this, that the original revelation that came down with Jesus has been altered, whether it's through translation, whether it's through what happened, the fact that it was documented hundreds of years later after Jesus, peace be upon him.↗

4:30:20@submission2tBut that's besides the point. I'm not here to tell you that there are no differences between these two religions. There are absolutely differences. If there weren't, they wouldn't be called Islam and Christianity. They'd be called one name.↗

4:30:32@allegedly_fortiSeth, hold on a second. Hold on a second. We're trying to be a little bit speedy here. Ian has stated he's trying to close down the space, so we're trying to get through the hands. Seth is our guest speaker, so Seth, do you want to answer that question that Dr. Strange posed?↗

4:30:51@sethianmanYeah, sure. And, you know, I would say that there's a lot of beautiful things about the Qur'an, you know, and Isa, his name is, you know, well, you know, some people get upset that I said that, but Isa is mentioned in the Qur'an. So I find that beautiful. You know, in my opinion, the purpose, the Christian Gnostic purpose is Gnosis, is knowledge.↗

4:31:17@sethianmanAnd that's acquiring the knowledge to know the truth. It's about, to me, it's about knowing the truth. It's about being able to transcend the physical world, the world of the Hylix and this world that we're in, in terms of, you know, essentially what is the Jewish earthly kingdom, the golden age, the Saturnian golden age, the physicality, to transcend the physicality.↗

4:31:45@sethianmanTo return to the Pleroma and to know that the physical reality is an illusion from your true self. That is the purpose. And also I would say to do good on this and everything that Yesu had taught, to do good, to treat each other as your brothers, to bring children into this world. I might differ from some Marcionite view that you can't have any children.↗

4:32:10@sethianmanI don't think that, but... To bring goodness into this world. For me, that's the purpose. I know the Muslims have the concepts of Taweed, Risala, Kira, and I don't think that those are necessarily bad. I saw some thumbs down when people said there's some beautiful things in the Quran. Well, I find Isa beautiful, and that is in the Quran.↗

4:32:34@sethianmanSo I keep my mind open. I don't... FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange The Sage, FALU, H1story Media, Sethian Man, Dr. Strange↗

4:33:00@sethianmanIf the Third Temple is the seat of the Antichrist, then, you know, I see a Christian guy in here allegedly laughing at me, but you know that that's the truth according to what Christianity says, that the Antichrist will return to the Third Temple and it will be the abomination of desolation. Well, I do think that there is something there, right?↗

4:33:22@sethianmanThere is something. We all have to be together in this world, and, you know, I guess I kind of want to end on a thought that if you want to end If you want to end this suffering over there, this prophecy will be fulfilled either way. But if you want to bring about the goodness or the pneumatic elements that you have to transcend the physical, you have to see us each as brothers, and you have to let go of this Yahwehism that commands you to kill, commands you to rape, to murder and lie.↗

4:33:55@sethianmanYou have to let go of that because that... Thank you, Seth. I appreciate that. The reason why I asked that question, because this is very critical, we get lost on the details.↗

4:34:23@submission2tBut ultimately, if you focus on what is really important, which is your purpose. Why did God create you? Why are you here? What purpose do you have to serve? And from the Islamic perspective, it has three elements into one. It's a transformative journey of self-development. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said that I've only been sent to perfect good, noble character.↗

4:34:48@submission2tAnd there are five different verses that combines this, that speaks about this. where the purpose of life being this transformative journey of self-development. In addition, the second point is that to develop an intimate relationship with God, a loving relationship with God as you're going through this journey. And third, that you will go through struggles.↗

4:35:13@submission2tThis is a life full of struggles, difficulties, trials. You're going to face economic hardships. You're going to face death. There's going to be all kinds of problems that you're going to deal with. And this is all part of your growth. And that transformative journey entails for you to become merciful, forgiving, patient, have gratitude, be appreciative, honest, just, peaceful, loving, humility, gentleness, loyalty, trustworthiness, and generosity.↗

4:35:43@submission2tI bring these up because these are the very names of God in Islam. Islam has 99 famous names. names of God, like I'm sure you've heard of.↗

4:35:53@djfaluHey Strange, real quick, I'm going to take you in it. It's Isaiah 43, 7. We were created to glorify God.↗

4:35:59@submission2tPerfect. I know. I know because when I've looked into this.↗

4:36:03@allegedly_fortiTry to wrap it up a little bit though, Dr. Strange, just because we are trying to end the space. But I appreciate, you know, I love your brother, but just try to.↗

4:36:10@submission2tI'm almost done. I need a few more seconds. The point I was raising is that there is that similarity. So ultimately what I'm trying to tell you is that You've heard a lot of Muslims named Abdul. Abdul by itself is not a name. It's a prefix to one of God's names. Like Kareem. Kareem is one of God's names meaning generous.↗

4:36:31@submission2tHaq is one of God's names meaning just. And the list goes on. So this is like a lot of families name their kids Abdul Kareem or Abdul Haq or Abdul Rahman, the servant of the merciful. You're... Your focus is to develop those attributes and transcend from the physical to the metaphysical and develop those traits that God has.↗

4:36:57@submission2tGod's infinite, you are finite, and this is your journey. So we can sit here and go into the itty-bitty, nitty-gritty details of all this stuff, or we can focus on our purpose of what we need to do and what God wants us to do. I'll end it there, but thank you so much for giving me the mic. I appreciate it.↗

4:37:17@allegedly_fortiNo, thank you. Thank you very much, Dr. Strange. And I do like a lot of what you said. And one of my favorite things that was in a book that I read was that there is going to be suffering in life, but find something that's worth suffering for. And when you find something that's worth suffering for, would that be that your family, you know, whatever it might be, which is what I like to interpret it as, then the suffering becomes righteous and it becomes something worth doing.↗

4:37:41@allegedly_fortiAnd that's the little thing that I've tried to incorporate in my life and my understanding of the world. So I definitely appreciate your insights there. Let's go over to Wolf, I think, who's next.↗

4:37:51@submission2tForti, just a really quick point. To your point, when God wants you to become forgiving, how can you become forgiving if nobody's ever wronged you? So all these struggles that you're going through, it's actually part of that development. I'll end it there. Thank you.↗

4:38:09@allegedly_fortiAbsolutely, absolutely. Go ahead, Wolf.↗

4:38:12@wolfrayet2025All right. Thank you. Thank you, Lien, for allowing me to speak. I want to make a few observations. And basically, just so you guys know, my focus is on textual criticism as coming from the scholarship. That's for me is more important. And as far as the theology is concerned, I'll leave that up to you guys. All right. So let's, I want to address an assertion.↗

4:38:47@wolfrayet2025One of the things, and I'll try and make this quick. Raed had mentioned, had asserted that Jesus spoke Aramaic. And that is highly probable. And we can only, when we talk about Jesus's life, when he walked on the earth, We can only speak in terms of probability because Jesus never wrote anything. We don't have any writings from Jesus.↗

4:39:13@wolfrayet2025All we have are the oral traditions coming from the earliest followers who were not even considered Christians at his day. If anything, Jesus was a second temple Jew and everything else is, you know, spawned out of that. So, So yes, Jesus is highly probable that he spoke Aramaic and Greek because in the New Testament, in one of the New Testaments, he is described as being a Teton.↗

4:39:47@wolfrayet2025So he was a worker. So if he was in Nazareth adjacent to Sephira, he would have to have learned the language in order to get work. So more than likely, he spoke the language of Franka. He was a Hellenic Jew. No problem there. Moving past, going into Martian, the claims about Martian. Martian coined the term New Testament.↗

4:40:16@wolfrayet2025Yes, that's fine. However, that New Testament that he has was documented, that list of books that is claimed to be an original Bible is not an original Bible at all. What we have here is the Deo Tesseron, which is a manuscript that predates Marcion, which lists the names of the Gospels. And names are also assigned to the Gospels.↗

4:40:49@wolfrayet2025And why are the names assigned? Because the earliest manuscripts that were in distribution at that time in the late first century did not have autographs. Nobody knew who wrote them. So the church fathers, they weighed in and they assigned names. So Marcion gives us the term New Testament. He coined that phrase. He was also one of the very first textual critics.↗

4:41:19@wolfrayet2025All right. So, you know, he did his homework. All right. That's fine. But he did not create this original Bible, that notion of original Bible. There's nothing original about the Bible, or any Bible. What the Bible is, is a compilation of translations that changes over time.↗

4:41:49@wolfrayet2025And the fact that Marcion had his New Testament, his list of his books, which they claim is the original Bible,↗

4:42:02@wolfrayet2025What he's listing are books that were all in circulation at that period. They were very popular writings. The ones that were not included later on was because as Christianity evolved, they searched for orthodoxy. And in that search for orthodoxy, you had competing rivalries. You have rivals competing with their own ideas.↗

4:42:31@wolfrayet2025It got narrowed down to a few.↗

4:42:38@wolfrayet2025That's why you don't have the Apocrypha in certain Bibles. That's why you won't see the Nag Hammadi manuscripts included in other Bibles. The Council of Trent... was one of the main, which happened in the 1400s, 14 or 1500s, prior to the King James Bible, was probably the major council that determined which is the official canon, the official Bible.↗

4:43:17@wolfrayet2025And in that council, they voted on the Catholic Vulgate, which is based on the Latin text. But then it changed, even then, and it is still changing. When we find earlier manuscripts, every Bible publisher has to look at those manuscripts, and they have to look and see what changes have to be made, because the earliest manuscripts are the ones that really tell us what Christianity really is, or what it was at that time.↗

4:43:55@wolfrayet2025Keep in mind, and I'll close, we don't have original manuscripts. None. Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy. The notion that there is no corruption in the text is laughable. A textual scholar will laugh you out. There are corrupted texts. An example, the Gospel of Mark ends in chapter 16 with the empty tomb. The earliest manuscripts will show that's how it ended, the earliest ones.↗

4:44:32@wolfrayet2025Later on, in the second century, when we start getting complete manuscripts or complete works from these gospel authors, that's when there was an addition made to Mark, and not based on any manuscript that they found. It was added. I can point out so many corrupted text interpolations, hundreds and thousands of variances.↗

4:44:59@wolfrayet2025So the reason why I come and I say this to you guys is be careful. Don't speak with such certainty and with absoluteness. Don't think that you understand what the real Bible actually is.↗

4:45:19@wolfrayet2025A little humility. Thank you very much for the space.↗

4:45:32@allegedly_fortiThank you, Wolf. That was some great points there. I'm going to just go ahead. I'm not pronouncing your name right. Khurram?↗

4:45:39@kmzuberiYeah, thanks, Forti. Thank you for bringing me up. Ian, I wanted to actually join this space from the beginning, but I only got to join at the tail end of it. And thank you for that, like such an amazing, amazing, you know, full of wisdom and full of knowledge and everything. And Seth, I think you have actually in just last three, four hours, I would just go back and listen to it, but I think it's the PhD level kind of a space where you can actually dive into all this.↗

4:46:08@kmzuberiSo thank you for that. I actually came up when the lady asked the question with respect to the heart. And now that, and I wanted to comment on that because Dr. Strange brought up a very great point where we actually all start from, which is the actual purpose of life. And I think it doesn't matter how much we actually go into all these scripts and the knowledge which has been divinely conveyed at some point in time, it's our heart which needs to be opened up to this.↗

4:46:40@kmzuberiUnless you do that, obviously, we won't be able to actually find the right path. Now, there is a beautiful concept in Islam. about this. But before I actually go into this, there is one fundamental point which has also been brought up, that whether we are fundamentally born as evil or good. Now, Islam actually provides the framework for this.↗

4:47:04@kmzuberiEvery single human being who actually came into this world has been bitten by the Satan, with the only one exception, which is the Jesus, peace be upon him. He was not. And apart from him, every single one of us, including Muhammad, peace be upon him. And for this reason, he had at the age of like maybe three or four, he had the open heart surgery in the middle of desert and his heart was cleaned from this.↗

4:47:33@kmzuberiYou guys can actually look it up. I don't have to go into this. Now, the point is, if every single human being is bitten by the Satan, we would certainly somehow↗

4:47:47@kmzuberiExhibit some sort of like characteristics which is going to be evil. Now our test or the purpose of life is to actually siphon through it that what is good and what is evil. And I think we've been given enough intellect to actually kind of separate the two in the beginning. Now, yes, the environment actually kind of influence over us, but at the same time, you know, we've been given one thing, which is the spirit or the soul.↗

4:48:16@kmzuberiwhich is totally pure. And I think we will all agree on that, that this is divinely somehow put into us. But there is a, you know, the physical body aspect of it, which is very, which has very worldly notion attached to it, because we have to eat, we have to, you know, earn our living, we have our other... You know, needs in terms of the sexuality and all that kind of thing.↗

4:48:43@kmzuberiAnd those are the tests where you would draw the line where you can actually be towards the evil or towards the good. Now, the interesting phenomenon Islam actually provides is that every single time you commit an evil, it doesn't matter whether you lie, you actually cheat, you steal, you anything. So any evil you actually act or commit a sin, there is a black dot which has been placed on your heart.↗

4:49:09@kmzuberiAnd the more evil you actually commit, the more dark guests put on your heart. And there are times that comes when your whole heart actually becomes black. And at that point, you cannot actually expect from anybody that they would actually revert back. And that's why we see that there is going to be a kid dying in front of you.↗

4:49:30@kmzuberiSomebody is actually killing him. You are actually feeling good about it. And that's where you analyze that this is A no return situation where the heart is totally gone black. Whereas on the other side, you would actually be, doesn't believe anything, doesn't believe in good or evil, and yet you are passing on the road and there's a guy who's actually standing on the street, his tire gone flat or something like that, or middle of the winter, you stop your car and start helping that and you feel good about this.↗

4:49:59@kmzuberiAnd at that point, you realize that your heart is not totally gone black and you are You feel good factor. Where that feel good factor comes in when you actually help somebody or give a charity because your heart is still somewhat not corrupted. So this is to assume that we are born with this black heart or somehow evil heart is absurd.↗

4:50:23@kmzuberiThere is that feeling. Ask your question and then all of a sudden you will realize that that's not the case. So I think we have to just come to the realization that we are all put in this Thank you.↗

4:51:01@allegedly_fortiThat was beautifully said, brother. I very much appreciate that. My screen is kind of glitched, so everybody looks like they have their hands up. I don't know. I think FALU came back and wanted to say something. Rahid, I don't know if your hands up.↗

4:51:15@djfaluI'm good, dude.↗

4:51:16@allegedly_fortiYou're good? All right. Thanks, brother.↗

4:51:18@djfaluRahid, did you have anything else? I'll be quick.↗

4:51:19@thelevantinemanYeah, I'm going to be quick. And two things, very importantly. The first one is politics. This is what happens. When we get a divine message and then politics comes into play. And today what I see politics is that this divide of East and West and wanting to claim a divine message to a part of the world because it sits well with us.↗

4:51:54@thelevantinemanAnd I'll go back to languages. I speak Lebanese. It's a form of Arabic dialect, but it's Lebanese. It's very distinct. If you studied linguistically, you'll find that it is very much infused with Aramaic. Why? Because the language of the land was Aramaic, and Jesus spoke that language. If the language of the land was Greek, I'll find my language infused with Greek, which there is no such case.↗

4:52:25@thelevantinemanIf you study the language, of the spoken people of the land, whether in Palestine or Lebanon or Syria. There is no sign of Greek infused language in my language today that has evolved and evolved because I belong to this land, actually. Right. So I'm still here. Christianity came here and many of us and I would claim and I would wishfully claim that my ancestry took on the message of Christ.↗

4:52:55@thelevantinemanIn the year 50 or 80 or 60 or 90, whatever it is, we still remain here. So that's one in terms of languages. But politics comes into play. And then if we claim that it was Greek, then we can claim that divine message to a part of the world. That's where politics comes in. So that's one. Two, when we speak about parables, there's a lot of that, actually.↗

4:53:23@thelevantinemanAnd we still use it today. We speak a lot of that. Like, I'll give you an example. In Lebanon, if I say, if I say, Tony is the son of the street, literally, it's just Tony is the son of the street. Like, good luck understanding what that means. But in Lebanon, everybody understands what it means. He's shrewd. He's a bit, you know, a wise guy, let's call it.↗

4:53:48@thelevantinemanA wise guy, right, in the English language.↗

4:53:53@thelevantinemanSo there's a lot of that. And I also claim when Jesus says, I'm the son of God, literally, this is what happened after with translations and transliterations, where it was taken that way. So parables and like even us here as a community, if I say... Here comes Shlomo. You guys understand that one of these supremacist Jews has came into the space and we're telling each other, all right, now he's going to gaslight us, right?↗

4:54:26@thelevantinemanSo if then 50 years from today, somebody is listening to that space to understand the truth about what we were talking about, you'll hear me say, here comes Shlomo. And then he goes trying to find a guy called Shlomo. But... This is not what I said. And you guys all understand it. So it's very complex. So I'll land with this.↗

4:54:49@thelevantinemanIan, thank you so much for bringing Seth. And Seth, on a personal note, beautiful man. Thank you for everything that you said, the way you're approaching, the methodology, everything that you said. And I know that this is not your account. And I would love to... Thank you very much and thank you.↗

4:55:37Ian MalcolmYeah, no, absolutely. And thank you, Raed, sincerely for providing that. I want to thank everybody that came in here. I think, Khurram, I don't think you got a chance to speak, so we'll certainly go to you. If we could try to keep it under two minutes, that'd be greatly appreciated.↗

4:55:53@thelevantinemanNo, I think Khurram spoke. Khurram did.↗

4:55:56@allegedly_fortiOkay. If I could just, one thing, Seth, I know Seth kept on saying that he was going to provide some resources. And if you could at least put those down in the pill, I know lots of people are interested, myself included, in some of the works that you've referenced throughout the night. I would love to look into them just because I'm super interested.↗

4:56:14@allegedly_fortiAnd I know it would add a lot of context for listeners going back and listening to the space as well. So if you could just include those, that would be awesome, brother. I really appreciate you.↗

4:56:23Ian MalcolmWonderful. And so with that, here's what we're going to do. We're going to turn things over to Mr. Seth here for some of his parting remarks, his thoughts on the conversation. I sincerely, I want to thank everybody, not only our special guest, the mystery guest speaker, which again, If you've ever wanted to speak on one of these panels, you wanna talk about a subject, you don't necessarily wanna be able to link one with another for any number of purposes, we will always try and honor every bit of that that we can.↗

4:56:54Ian MalcolmI sincerely want people to feel safe and comfortable coming up and sharing their thoughts on the world, even if they are somewhat controversial, even if they're ones that I don't agree with a little bit or in entirety. And there were some really interesting things that were shared in this space. And I absolutely love that we had not only Seth, but also Major, who were both providing some expertise with this particular worldview.↗

4:57:22Ian MalcolmAnd there's a lot to decipher, right? We're trying to get to the bottom literally of centuries and centuries and centuries of mystery, right? And so how we do that, well, in my opinion, the best way we can is by having all kinds of experts that bring all kinds of perspectives Take what you want, leave what you must, right?↗

4:57:41Ian MalcolmAnd at the end of the day, just intellectually be honest and open enough to explore some of these ideas. And so we will always certainly do that. I want to give a immense thanks to the co-hostess with the mostest, Ms. Joanne. Again, she went to Mr. Truthteller's room. So I'm going to recommend that as soon as we wrap this up, that everybody go over there, support the work that he's doing.↗

4:58:01Ian MalcolmI know that he's going to be talking geopolitics and of course the Iran dynamics. and also an immense amount of thanks to Forti who was up here with us, certainly holding down the Ford on the co-host space. I don't think people that have not done so can necessarily keep a perspective on how much work can go into that. And so I sincerely want to thank him.↗

4:58:28Ian MalcolmAnd so thank you to all of the speakers, all of the ideas, all the listeners, all the everybody. I think this is now the third day in a row We've been one of the larger, if not the largest spaces on X. And we're doing so running intelligent conversation discourse in a world where so much of the other stuff is just utter garbage and people yelling at one another.↗

4:58:49Ian MalcolmWe're going to try and have productive discourse again to kind of expand our minds and expand our networks. And so, as I always say really quickly before we turn it to Seth, I just want to say good morning, good evening, good afternoon to all of you wherever you are in the world. Certainly, God bless. Now, your perspective on God and who that might be and all those things, whether you're religious or not.↗

4:59:10Ian MalcolmSincerely, God bless for everything that you are. Godspeed for everything that we are doing. Tomorrow, we do not have a scheduled space. I might open one impromptu just because I love being with all of you guys. But the reason for that is that, of course, on the 11th, we do have our super space that's going to be on 9-11.↗

4:59:28Ian MalcolmAll the things behind it are going to be led by Mr. Truth Teller and a half dozen other experts that is basically going to detail the years, The months, the weeks, the days and hours that led up to 9-11. Who, how, why, all of those other aspects. So very, very excited for that. Very excited for this discourse and very excited for these parting words that we're going to get from Mr. Seth.↗

4:59:52Ian MalcolmAnd so with that being said, Seth, back over to you for those final little thoughts.↗

4:59:59@sethianmanYeah, thank you so much, Ian and Forti, everyone here. I really enjoyed the conversation. You know, whether you agreed with what I was saying or you didn't, I think everyone, for the most part, kept it really respectful and had an open mind. And so I just wanted to close with a comment from Iyesua, from the Gospel of Thomas.↗

5:00:17@sethianmanAnd I'll give two quotes and then I'll cite those texts that I mentioned that Forti wanted. I'll put them in the text. I'll tweet it out as well. Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are the children of the living Father.↗

5:00:38@sethianmanAnd just to kind of wrap that, to add some color to that, there's truth and there are lies, and we should always seek the gnosis, the truth. And it is through seeking the truth that that's what brought us all together here. So... I do believe that the spirit is in this room because truth is in this room. And the truth is what connects us.↗

5:01:00@sethianmanAnd so never stop seeking the truth. And if anybody tells you to not ask questions, well, then you should ask more questions. And that's really what brought us here. And I just want to give a few texts, some great reading material. I'll put it in the post here. But Entedectus Judentum by Johann Andreas Eisenmenger. This is a hard text to find, but if you search X for it, you'll find a link to it.↗

5:01:24@sethianmanBehold the Pale Horse by William Cooper, probably a lot of you guys know that one. 1666 by Robert Sepper, another great one. And just two last ones, or three last ones, Saturn's Jews by Idel Mosh, The Cult of the Black Cube by Arthur Moros. And the last one, this is a Midrashic text, Perky D. Ravi Elizar, which you can find on the Chabad website, and you can also find...↗

5:01:53@sethianmanI'm a bit late, but my space was glitching out a bit earlier. I had a very quick question for Seth, if possible, before he leaves the space for the night.↗

5:02:21@jim_kubackSure, let's just try to keep it really specific. I'll keep it very quick. Basically, at the start of the pandemic, I got a little bit into the Gnostic stuff as well. And my main question is about perennial philosophy. Because after reading into the Gnostic stuff, I found a lot of parallels in non-Abrahamic religions, like similarities between the Christ and the Buddha.↗

5:02:46@jim_kubackThere's a lot of parallels between achieving Gnosis and You know, there's similar things in Hinduism, Buddhism, like all the different major religions have something similar to achieving Gnosis in some way. And I guess I'm curious about your take on whether or not this is cross-contamination over the years between the religions, or if you see this as more of different cultures from different frames of reference reaching similar core universal truths from...↗

5:03:22@sethianmanI'll just keep it brief because I know we're ending the space, but I think that there are to say that the father, that the monad wasn't present before Aesua appeared. If you read the Christian Gnostic texts, if you read the Apocryphon of the Secret Book of John, you'll see that the monad appeared at the first human, the first man, which was Adam.↗

5:03:51@sethianmanAnd that was created by the archons, was created essentially this physical piece of clay and mud. It didn't have the spirit until the wisdom descended, until Sophia descended and the monad descended into Adam and breathed life into him. And so to say that the monad was not present before Esau, I think would be false. I think that the knowledge has been there.↗

5:04:18@sethianmanand pre-existed before his time. But I think what happened is that people got so... There was a great speaker that came up who's, I think, an academic, you know, was talking about being humble and reading everything and being open-minded. I completely agree with that because I do believe that the knowledge pre-existed, but I think the Yeshua and his journey into this world to teach us teachings which have become...↗

5:04:46@sethianmanOne of the largest religions in the world, but also, I think, have given us a great foundation to break the stranglehold of this kind of physical torment that we're going through when people say, oh, there is no God, because look what's going on in Gaza. Look what, you know, this person had cancer. When you understand that full story, it makes a lot of sense.↗

5:05:04@sethianmanAnd I would not say that the monad was not present before Isua. He was present. But just like anything, you know, we have to compare colors, numbers,↗

5:05:42@sethianmanI think you should pursue all the texts. Some of those texts that I kind of put out there, they can be very dark. And there are some Christians I don't think are going to stomach that and say, you can't read that because that will darken your soul or something like that. I think you should read it. I think you should understand everything to the best of your knowledge and take it in.↗

5:06:03@sethianmanAnd I do think that the monad has been here all along with us.↗

5:06:11@jim_kubackExcellent. I appreciate your answer. Thank you so much.↗

5:06:15Ian MalcolmYeah, and what a wonderful answer it was for anybody that was not here. There's essentially a full hour of exactly that kind of wonderful breakdown. Seth did an absolutely marvelous job. We will have him make sure to put those references into the purple pill. Feel free to put a comment in there in response to what he does share.↗

5:06:41Ian MalcolmIf you would like to stay in touch with him after this space. I know that Raed was looking exactly for that, so I want to make sure that I call that out. And again, just a wonderful example how we had a subject matter expert come in.↗

5:07:03Ian MalcolmThank you very much.↗

5:07:27Ian MalcolmJust a call. Certainly head over if you can, if you've got the ability to, to go and support Mr. Truthteller. It is wonderful, wonderful work. And Godfrey actually made a comment the other day. He was saying that because we were essentially sharing a bunch of different perspectives, different ideas, and because we were banding together a couple of days ago on X, we had three spaces that kind of blended from one into another, different hosts, different topics, all those things.↗

5:07:57Ian MalcolmBut being able to share consistently valuable ideas is as much value as we can provide, right? And just like Mr. Truth Teller would say, when you go into your kitchen, you can choose, is it the poison or the fuel? And the exact same thing is true for your mind and for your soul, right? You can look at video games. You can look at all the other nonsense that you could be spending your time doing.↗

5:08:19Ian MalcolmInstead, you are here trying to absorb, trying to learn, trying to listen, trying to participate. And we are all learning as a group together, right? And trying to figure out how to unpack this crazy world. Two sets comment there. There's a lot of dark in it. So let's try to be lights as best we can individually with the ideas that we share.↗

5:08:39Ian MalcolmLet's try to help others to come together so that we can all kind of manage and navigate this wilderness together. So that being said, again, please go support Mr. Truth Teller. As always, good morning, good evening, good afternoon. Certainly God bless for everything that everybody is.↗