Held here entire — 652 passages across 18 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00quiet, reflectiveIntroducing Oliver Janich and His WorkIan Malcolm introduces Oliver Janich, highlighting his background as a journalist, author, and truth-seeker, and his controversial research.
- 4:01grave, forebodingOliver's Theory: Jesus and YahwehOliver Janich outlines his core theory: Yahweh is not the true God, and Jesus knew this, teaching a different path.
- 13:24charged, alertTheta Waves, Entheogens, and UFOsOliver explains his theory that Jesus used theta wave states and entheogens, and connects Old Testament events to UFOs.
- 36:42heated, combativeJesus's True Teachings and SatanOliver discusses Jesus's secret teachings, his encounter with Satan (whom he identifies as Yahweh), and the nature of evil forces.
- 53:39sombre, searchingKarma, Reincarnation, and ConsciousnessOliver presents his worldview on consciousness, karma, and reincarnation as mechanisms for spiritual growth and empathy.
- 1:05:11raw, woundedTechnocrats and the Faustian PactOliver discusses technocrats' desire for immortality to escape karma and the 'Faustian Pact' within secret societies.
- 1:20:11calm, distantHeaven, Hell, and ForgivenessOliver explains his belief that there is no eternal hell, only a 'Sheol' for experiencing past wrongs, and the importance of forgiveness.
- 1:37:41unsettlingThe Church of Satan and LuciferaseLori discusses the blatant Satanic symbolism in modern society, including 'Luciferase' in vaccines, and the historical presence of aliens.
- 1:53:31bleak, drainedSatan as Yahweh: A Core BeliefChristopher and Oliver discuss the hierarchy of demons and the belief that the God of the Old Testament (Yahweh) is Satan.
- 2:08:31tentative, hopefulJesus's Ethnicity and the GentilesOliver speculates on Jesus's ethnicity, suggesting he was a Gentile, possibly Aryan, from Galilee, a 'place of the Gentiles'.
- 2:13:31dimmed, waryThe Shroud of Turin and Templar TheoriesDiscussion on the Shroud of Turin's scientific implications and a Templar theory suggesting it depicts Jacques de Molay.
- 2:23:31detached, weighingJesus's Words and the Bible's AccuracyOliver discusses the accuracy of the Gospels, believing some parts are preserved while others are later additions, and the importance of seeking truth.
- 2:33:31hard, unyieldingThe Problem of Evil and Dueling GodsDr. Rectenwald discusses the irreconcilable nature of the Old and New Testament Gods and the philosophical problem of evil.
- 2:48:31grim, scorchedMarcionite Christianity: An Alternative ViewMajor Marcionite presents his view that original Christianity, founded by Paul, was anti-Jewish and that the modern Bible is a Judaized perversion.
- 3:03:31urgent, incendiaryDebating Saturn, Sabbath, and Jewish InfluenceA heated debate ensues about the etymology of 'Saturday' and 'Sabbath,' and the historical influence of Jewish figures on early Christianity.
- 3:17:30dry, matter-of-factReincarnation, Truth, and the StateOliver reiterates his belief in reincarnation and the importance of seeking truth, arguing that the state is inconsistent with loving one's neighbor.
- 3:28:31murky, uneasyYahweh as Satan and Child SacrificeOliver emphasizes his belief that Yahweh is Satan, and that the Old Testament condones child sacrifice, linking it to modern elite practices.
- 3:36:51warm, expansiveClosing Remarks and Future DebatesThe hosts and guests offer final thoughts, emphasizing love, truth, and upcoming debates on controversial topics.
The Transcript
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Ian MalcolmWell, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you might be in the world. Excited to be coming to you here and live on the Elon Musk Network, live from X, and perhaps in other places, thanks to the incomparable Mr. Allegedly Dank, who is, of course, porting some of these over to not only Apple Podcasts, Rumble, and Spotify.
Ian MalcolmBut also to the heavily banned www.IanMalcolm84.com. I hope that doesn't come in and nuke the space because I've used the naughty, naughty no-no words that is our website that I guess they fear ever so much because, well, we can't post it, but we can ask Grok to tell us where we can find these spaces online and it will fortunately give us that answer.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I'm excited. This should be a very good conversation. with a very interesting guest who, for what it's worth, is a man not only of principle, but so much so that he has spent time literally imprisoned for trying to speak the truth on some of these subjects. This is an individual who is not only a man of great faith, also a historian, certainly an intellectual and a truth teller and truth seeker.
Ian MalcolmAnd for what it's worth, he's also an author,
Ian Malcolmto a roundtable forum while we wait for him. I think he might be joining us maybe 15 to 20 minutes behind the top of the hour here. And so while we wait, what I thought we could probably do is to get a little bit of kind of the perspectives of some of those that are co-hosting with us, because obviously here we are. It is Thursday.
Ian MalcolmAnd what does that mean? Well, it means that we've got the ever wonderful, always heroic Mr. Christopher Wood, who's up here as the co-host with the most. alongside the co-hostess with the forevermostest, Ms. JoAnn. And so I thought it might be a nice way to kind of open up this dialogue because, Chris, we've been doing these spaces for a good little while.
Ian MalcolmAnd since we do have you in here, and I really have a tremendous amount of respect, not only for your courage and bravery, but also for your faith. So I thought it might be interesting to get some of your thoughts on this subject matter, on Christ, who he was, where he came from, in particular, his ties or lack thereof.
Ian Malcolmto the tribe of Judah. We'll be talking perhaps about concepts like Aramaic, the language of the time, who this person might have been. And obviously, Oliver has been doing a ton of research. He actually has a documentary that just came out on this subject. So when he comes in here, I'll be very curious for it. But again, Chris, I thought maybe what we could do is go to JoAnn, get any updates, any thoughts.
Ian MalcolmThen we could actually go to you and perhaps to Dr. Rectenwald, anybody and everybody else that wants to come up. While we wait for our special guest, Mr. Oliver.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
@joann_marieThank you so much for hosting. I was afraid because the people putting gas in my boiler were coming, but it's good. It's all good now. And also, Christopher, thank you so much for co-hosting. I always love when you co-host with us. And we also have Dr. Michael Rectenwald, so I love this. I saw what the topic for today is about.
@joann_marieIt's about what Jesus was teaching. And Oliver has a really, really cool theory. So I cannot wait for him to get here and explain to all of us how he came up with this and what his evidence of his theory is. And yeah, I mean, it's pretty... Cool. So, no, thank you so much, Ian and Christopher and Michael. And everybody, guys, please repost this space.
@joann_marieAnd if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And bookmark it. It helps so, so much with the algorithm. And follow Ian and Christopher and Michael. And I see Mandy and Jensi Patriot down there. And, of course, Dank. He's the absolute superstar for putting everything in Rumble, in Spotify, in Apple Podcasts, and in IanMalcolm84.
@joann_marieSo, yeah, no.
Ian MalcolmOh, and JoAnn, I can't forget Dank's newest addition. What he's been doing, it really does amaze me. And again, you know, I even asked how we could try and set up some form of monetization on some of these other platforms to try and get him compensated for the unbelievable work that he's doing. I mean, it's professional caliber.
Ian MalcolmIt really is incredible. And again, for anybody that hasn't heard this, he basically came back and said, I'm doing this for my children. I don't need anything. And he's using his just absolute brilliance with AI. And the most recent thing that he's been doing, I don't know if people have seen this. I'll put one up into the nest.
Ian MalcolmBut this Malcolm Spaces handle that is up, it's got something like 200 followers over the course of just a couple of days. And all it's doing, I shouldn't say all because it's incredible what it is doing. It is going through the backlog of all of the spaces that he has ported over onto IanMalcolm84.com. It's scanning all of the audio.
Ian MalcolmIt's pulling out compelling moments that some of which are from myself. I've seen clips in there from Dr. Rectenwald, the wonderful speaker that we had the other day who came in from one of the, not Alex Jones, the Steve Bannon program. It had one that was done from her, right? So it's going through and grabbing interesting pieces of debate.
Ian MalcolmThere's been a couple little back and forth with myself and Yitz, and it's going through, it's scanning for interesting content.
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for watching.
Ian MalcolmMalcolm Space's handle that allegedly Dank has put together. And it's just a great way because, you know, that's at the moment anyway, it's not flagged like my handle is for all of the other labels. So it's probably going to be able to get far more traction because of that. I just want to give him an immense amount of support and thanks and gratitude.
Ian MalcolmIt really is unbelievable what he's been doing. But very excited, JoAnn, for this. Very excited for everybody's thoughts on it. And to your point, what is it that Christ was teaching? Who was he talking about? What was he referencing? Does it have relevance for the things that we see today? And I'm also going to be very curious because let's not forget, there's a pretty large window in Christ's life where we don't exactly know what it was that he was doing.
Ian MalcolmThere's lots of theories around what that might have been. Oliver is going to be bringing a whole bunch of interesting answers. I'm very excited for him to arrive when he does. But let's go to Mr. Christopher Woods, get any thoughts that he has on the subject, on anything that might be topical, and then we'll check in with the wonderful Miss Mandy.
Ian MalcolmSpeaking about virality, I think... Mandy went way north, I think two or three acts of the supposed six million count with a viral tweet talking about the usual suspects. So lots of love to her for everything that she's been doing on this effort, as well as Dr. Rectenwald, El Jefe, and so many others that I see down there.
Ian MalcolmOh, not only Gen Z Patriot, I've also got a call out now, Deciphering, who has got some of the best quotes that I have seen. Put on to X, Mr. Discerning has been just putting up bangers. There was one today with the one and only Bobby Fischer that I read, and I was just like, man, this is wonderful content. So Mr., just got to give him some love as well.
Ian MalcolmSo Discerning through the madness and trying to share some of these things. But let's go to Mr. Christopher Wood, then we'll go down to Mandy, we'll bring up Mr. Oliver, and we'll check in with Dr. Rectenwald.
@theleaderofusaHowdy, howdy, can you hear me?
Ian MalcolmLoud and clear, my friend.
@theleaderofusaSo wonderful to have you here, Christopher. I'm so thankful to be here. It's another great Thursday. Excited to hear what today's space holds, especially with a title like Christ's Untold Story. It's like, ooh, what do we have in store? And as I've said many times throughout plenty of our spaces, I believe that these people are wolves in sheep's clothing.
@theleaderofusaThese are the children of the master of deceit, right? So they disguise themselves as the chosen people of God, yet they don't fulfill any of the prophecies that God has bestowed upon the children of Abraham through Jacob and Israel. So the synagogue, for instance, is a Pharisaic creation. I have that in one of my old encyclopedias here, where it said that the synagogue was essentially...
@theleaderofusaQuote-unquote Israelites. These current Jews are the synagogue of Satan. They're wolves disguised under sheep's clothing. I could ramble and rant about that for days, but we'll talk about the talking points as they come up with Mr. Oliver.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for having me. Of course, and everybody, Christopher Wood, just an absolute hero. And I say that with all sincerity. And I look around the panel that we have up here. It's just incredible. The true heroes of the modern world that I believe in a not so distant future people will look back on as having fixed some of the wrongs and righted the ship in a way that's going to allow us to kind of return what it is in the United States, if not the Western world.
Ian MalcolmTo its former glory, and whether it's people like Christopher, who long before this idea of the noticing was something taking place on social media, Christopher was out there in town squares, literally, as well as in city halls talking about the people atop of COVID in an era where they tried to shut him down. And a couple people in that room said, well, he's not doing anything wrong.
Ian MalcolmHe's just listing off a bunch of names, right? That was Christopher Wood in that extremely viral video that at this point has probably been seen by tens, maybe hundreds of millions of people in its various forms. We've got Dr. Michael Rectenwald from ASAPAC creating real-world political change to oppose Zionism, who helped out, of course, with Dan Bilzerian's campaign that forwards words, not only Dan, but also Casey Putsch.
Ian MalcolmI just want to call out... Both of those aforementioned individuals receiving twice the support of Fishback. And I say that not to poke fun at anybody or everybody, but rather to suggest that the work of Azapax certainly supporting those candidates, obviously bringing attention to them. And this is the way that we make a significant difference, right?
Ian MalcolmBecause at the end of it, Dan Bilzerian did. Yes, it looks like he's going to have not won this election. It certainly looks like there was some shady business with the vote tallies. We now have clear evidence to support that. I even saw Ryan Dawson, who I think does some of the best investigative work here on X. Even he commented on it.
Ian MalcolmSo it's not like this is some outlandish JQ conspiracy theory, right? You've got people like Ryan who, I mean, he agrees with me on a lot of things, but he disagrees on some of the noticing worldview that we have. But even he looked at the stuff with Dan Bilzerian and said, obviously there is something awry here. Dr. Rectenwald, making an unbelievable difference in the world.
Ian MalcolmLike I said before, individuals like Mandy making a giant splash here on social media. We're going to come to Mr. Oliver. Before we do, let's go to Mandy real quick, and then we're going to turn things over to Oliver for some introductions. I'm going to be very excited to bring him up here and to share all of this wonderful insight and research he's done with everybody that's listening.
Ian MalcolmBut Mandy, wonderful to have you here.
@mandyarthurThank you, Ian. I actually just have a really simple ask from you. The person that is doing this great work for you, Dank, or something, I'm not aware of this person. Would you be willing to put us into contact? Because I have a company and I have a feeling we do a lot of things the hard way. And I think one of the ways you might be able to, I know you're talking about monetizing him, one of the ways you might be able to quote unquote pay him back or whatever, even though he doesn't want it, is to just refer people.
@mandyarthurBecause it sounds like he has some skills I could use. So if you could hook us up, I'd appreciate it.
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
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@rectheregimeHey Ian, thanks for introducing me. Thanks for bringing me up and it's good to see everybody here tonight. JoAnn, Christopher, El Jefe, Mandy, and Oliver, nice to see you. So I'm just very curious about tonight. I'm here to learn. I look at the, I see Jesus Christ as representing a radical rupture, at least from what preceded him.
@rectheregimeand religiously. But, you know, today I posted something about Marcion and I got some grief from my friend Brother Nathaniel because Brother Nathaniel said I was posting heresies. Well, I wasn't really espousing Marcionite views. I was just saying this was the first Bible and it was Marcion who compiled it. And there were
@rectheregimeMany early Christians who did not, you know, and it did not include the Hebrew Bible. So there's many Christians that in the early Christianity that did not include the Hebrew Bible in their canonical texts. That was the Marcionites. And it was the first Bible. So, I mean, I'm very interested to hear what Oliver has to say.
@rectheregimeI know he has a different theory altogether or something, but I'm just curious about how it fits in with what I've been reading about lately. Thank you. It's great to be here.
Ian MalcolmWe are so humbled and honored and blessed to have you here with us, Dr. Rectenwald. I am very excited for this as well. Oliver, the last time we did a space with him, he brought the heat, as I think they would say. And again, this is a man, and Oliver, I would love it for those not familiar with your work. In your introduction, if you could just give a little bit of background on everything that you've been involved in, the research that you've done, some of the programs that you've appeared on, the works that you've put out.
Ian MalcolmDr. Rectenwald is also an accomplished author and had a work that he recently put out that we actually did a space on, which was, it was... Thank you so much for joining us.
@oliverjanichYeah, good morning, you all. I thought I have one hour more to prepare because I just woke up and I'm very happy that Dr. Rectenwald is here. I always wanted to interview him, but I first wanted to read some of his books and I couldn't do that. But I hope to interview him in the future. So, yeah, I prepared another introduction of myself, not with my history.
@oliverjanichSo only briefly. I was a mainstream journalist. I wrote several Best-selling books which were in the beginning not ignored but attacked by the mainstream media and now my books are more or less ignored. What's important to know, I want to tell you my method because I studied empirical science. It was part of my kind of an MBA and it was the only university in Germany who taught that and it stuck forever with me.
@oliverjanichAnd many will be familiar with that, but I want to reintroduce it. So it's the falsification theorem of Karl Popper. So you never can prove or verify a theory, scientifically speaking, but you can falsify theories. For example, in the Charlie Kirk case, alone the fact that the guy in the garage doesn't look like Charlie Kirk falsifies the official theory.
@oliverjanichAnd from there, we can deduct another theory, but we cannot really verify it. I mean, in court, there is a decision in the end. They say, OK, he's guilty or not guilty. But in science, you cannot really do it. Every theory can be falsified by something which comes up. So before I started the book, I first checked what is really true.
@oliverjanichAnd then I checked what did Jesus say. So first I looked, is God real? Does God exist? I think I showed that. I don't want to go into that now too much, maybe later. And then I checked, does Yahweh have the properties of God? And it's very clear that he has not. He's very cruel. He slaughters or he commands the slaughter of children.
@oliverjanichHe wants physical things like gold, silver, young virgins. And he or the Israelites under his command commit very many genocides. So he cannot be God. So the next question I ask myself is, did Jesus know that? Because if Jesus is God himself or the Son of God, which most Christians believe, he should have known that. And then I looked into the New Testament and yeah, he knew that Yahweh is not God.
@oliverjanichWe go into that more deeply. So it's falsified. Or Jesus knew that he is not God. And from there, we can deduct other things. So my main theory, just in the beginning, I put it below or under the space. You should read it. I made three videos. And with every video, there comes the text with it. I have to say upfront, I have a very bad memory.
@oliverjanichSo if you ask me what's in Matthew this and that, I don't know that. I have to look it up. That's one of the reasons why I wrote the book, that I can look everything up. I know the content of my thesis, but I cannot always name the exact verse. So I put it below or under the video. So my main thesis is that Jesus taught his disciples how to create a theta wave state.
@oliverjanichJesus fasted for 40 days and prayed, most likely contemplative. And this causes a theta wave state. But before I go deeper into that, I want to tackle some objections that always come up. So why do I cherry pick certain verses? Because you will see there are contradictory verses in the Bible. And what do you choose? And so I go back to the Charlie Kirk case.
@oliverjanichSo if we can say that this was not Charlie Kirk in the garage, the official theory is falsified. And the same thing is in the New Testament. If there is something which falsifies the official narrative, this argument has more weight. Because why is it in there? One of the easiest things, I think, to grasp is, is he the Jewish messiah?
@oliverjanichNo, he can't be the Jewish Messiah because the Jewish Messiah in the Old Testament is an earthly ruler. And he clearly, Jesus clearly says the kingdom, my kingdom is not of this world and the kingdom of God is within you. So he cannot be the Jewish Messiah because it's a totally different message. So this is already falsified that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.
@oliverjanichAnd it's often difficult to discuss all these things because many people do not grasp the scientific methods. I want to give another example from the Charlie Kirk case, the Google searches. If you combine the probabilities of all the Google searches being made for Tyler Robinson and other people, and you combine the probability of it, it's very clear that Israel is involved.
@oliverjanichAnd for example, Candace Owens does not even used that argument because I think it's not, you know, not to attack her, but I think she's not so familiar with the scientific method. So people have their imagination or they have their theories because they learned it in school or they learned it from theologians or priests, but it's just not scientific.
@oliverjanichAnd because Dr. Rectenwald said he was called a heretic, heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs. So we are all heretics because we don't believe the official story of Charlie Kirk. I don't believe almost any mainstream story about anything, the wars, 9-11, and so on. So we are all heretics.
@oliverjanichBut if it comes to religion, it's an emotional topic. So I'm curious what arguments come against me, but I never heard anything because I'm discussing that for a while now. Mostly in private because it was not out yet, but my great secret is out yet. And what's important about heretics, they were always censored and even put to death.
@oliverjanichWhy would you put people to death if they are wrong? I mean, that's what they're doing now. They're persecuting us because we are right. I mean, that's always the same thing. So I'm proposing that the so-called heretics back then were the ones who were right. And Marcion is one of the examples. I don't subscribe fully to Marcion, but he already acknowledged or recognized that Yahweh cannot be God because he's so cruel.
@oliverjanichAnd I want to also say upfront that I'm not agnostic. So the agnostics believe that God or Yahweh is the demiurge. Why? Because he was so cruel. But they were wrong because, according to my theory, he was only one of 70 Elohim who got Israel as his portion. And we know that for sure because you have the Dead Sea Scrolls now.
@oliverjanichThere you see that Elion, a totally different person or entity, gave him Israel as his portion. So he was only one of 70 Elohim. And the Elohim also are not the creator of the universe. There may be terror from the earth, but they are not the creators of the universe. And you see that if you see the properties of God in the New Testament and the properties of Yahweh in the Old Testament.
@oliverjanichIt might have happened that they engineered the human race, they manipulated the DNA or something, but they are not the creator of the whole universe. And I don't know how to say that in short, In short, but we have, for example, we have two Genesis. In the first Genesis, Adam and Eve were created at the same time. And the second one, Eve was made out of the rib of Adam.
@oliverjanichSo we have two different stories here. And maybe to the point, I think which is the most debatable or the most attacked thing. is that Jesus and his disciples used enteogens. So enteogens are psychoactive plants, which can give you... I mean, there are a lot of scholars talking about that. Professor Rook among them. I have them all in my text.
@oliverjanichAnd there we can apply already the falsification theorem. So when the disciples prepared the supper, people died. So if this would only be... A symbolic drinking of wine, nobody would die. So Paul comes in and says, OK, wait, I come and tell you how exactly the supper is made. So it's false. The official supper theory, so to speak, is falsified.
@oliverjanichIf it's only a symbolic ceremony, nobody would die. And then we can conclude, OK, what did they do there? And there is a lot of good work about that, also by scholars. And we have the early art where Jesus is shown with mushrooms. So it's not a proof, but it's already falsified that it was only a symbolic thing. And now we know much more.
@oliverjanichAnd the other big theory of mine, which is also new, is that I think that Moses also applied this. So he had access to drugs similar to ayahuasca.
@oliverjanichAncient Egypt, they also used drugs. And he was most likely a priest in the priesthood of the Pharaoh. We know already that he was there, you know, at the court. It was called King's Court. And there he learned that. That's my theory, because many people say, or scholars say, that the burning bush event looks like a DMT event.
@oliverjanichI go deeper into that in my book. And he, and that's my thesis, he connected to another dimension, to the spiritual world, but because he was very angry, he just, not just, but he killed a man before, he attracted a malevolent being, being Yahweh. And my new theory here is that you connect via theta waves to other dimensions, and there are angels and demons, but there are also so-called aliens.
@oliverjanichAnd these aliens have the technology to come into our dimension, which is exactly what Yahweh did, because it's very clear a UFO landing on the Mount Sinai. They call it the glory of God, but the glory of God lands on the Mount Sinai and makes noise and so on. It's very clear if you look at it that it was a UAP. Because you cannot be always on drugs and be sure to contact the real entity,
@oliverjanichHe sent down the instructions how to build the Ark of the Covenant and that enabled them to have a bidirectional communication via technology. I mean, I know that it all sounds crazy and you have to go deeper into that. I made all these videos and the whole book, but that's my main theory. And of course, you cannot apply the falsification theorem here, but
@oliverjanichOne of my main arguments is if somebody in the old language describes a UFO landing, I think that event really happened. Because another theory is, yeah, it's all fairy tales. It all never happened. But how do you describe a UFO landing or UAP landing 3,000 years ago if it didn't happen? So from our perspective now, we know that they at least claim that through meditative states,
@oliverjanichYou can call you aliens. It was just stated one week before I made the video by Ross Coulthard and others. So we see now that exactly the same thing is happening like 3000 years ago. People trying to contact these entities via meditative states or drugs. So that's my main theory. And yeah, I forgot to say I believe in God and I pray to Jesus Christ.
@oliverjanichI think he was a real figure. And because he has a mortal soul, we can pray to him. And because in other dimensions, time plays no role, so he can hear all of our prayers. So I'm not an atheist. I'm not agnostic. I believe in Jesus. In fact, I think that I, in a way, rescue Christianity, because if you look what's happening in the Old Testament,
@oliverjanichAll the genocides by the Israel government are justified with verses from the Bible, with Amalek, where the children are killed. So maybe one last logical thing here. So if you are a Christian and believe in Yahweh as God, then you believe in a God that kills children. That's just, I mean, I can't do that. Most people even don't know that.
@oliverjanichThey don't know that. 32 virgins because you're not told that. Maybe one more thing. That's also objection to my theory. Oh, thousands of theologians say that and you come after 2000 years and you think you're right. Yeah, the theologians are the experts. And we know in COVID all the experts said the same thing, but it was wrong.
@oliverjanichAnd that's why I encourage people to just read the Bible itself without... I said, I'm happy that I'm not a theologian, because then I would think all the things they put into my brain, but you can read it all yourself, and that's the conclusion I come to there. Yeah, that's for now.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's fascinating, and I was messaging with JoAnn in the background. I'm sure there's going to be some pushback, some critics, and perhaps some claims of heresy. Thank you for joining us.
Ian Malcolmand the UFO concept, because that feels pretty out there, right? The burning bush, I've often thought, yeah, there's probably a number of, let's say, scientific explanations, but the idea of some kind of unidentified or alien encounter involved in this kind of rendition that you're presenting to the world, what would be some of the science that you would utilize to arrive at that kind of conclusion?
@oliverjanichSo we first have the Ezekiel UFO, and Eric von Däniken, who just passed, By the way, I sent him my paper, which is also included in my article, but I think he could not read it. But this is out there for 30 years. I don't know if he later changed that, but most of the ancient aliens theorists only talk about the Ezekiel UFO.
@oliverjanichThe Ezekiel UFO is very clear. It's made of metal and it glows in the middle and it takes... People from A to B. So it's very clear that the Ezekiel UFO is a UFO because he takes people and one of them left the closest there who was, I think it was Elijah, as I said, my memory is bad, but the one who was taken from A to B.
@oliverjanichSo it's very clear that this is a UFO. They see people or entities, human-like entities under a dome. It's like the classic UFO. But this UFO in the Ezekiel is already the UFO of Yahweh himself. And then if you take the words they take for glory there and look at where Moses met Yahweh on Mount Sinai, it's very clear that it's a person.
@oliverjanichHe talks to him face to face. But he can't see the face because I think he wears a hoodie.
@oliverjanichMoses wanted to prove that he talks to the right guy. He says, yeah, show me your glory. And then he says, yes, I show you my glory, which is the kevod. Kevod is the word which means heavy. It's not some appearance. And he puts his hand between the kevod, I'm saying the UFO, and Moses to protect him from the radiation.
@oliverjanichBut it didn't really work because he came back with a red face. So there is some radiation. And that's also in the modern UFO. We have people who got burned by the radiation of the UFO. So the glory is not his glory in the sense they portray it. It's something apart from Yahweh and he protects him from the radiation. And then, as I said, you can look it up in my paper, it comes down, it's roaring, it's like a fire.
@oliverjanichAnd it's very clear that it's something distinct from Yahweh himself. And how do you explain that? And then, of course, we have all the old Sumeric texts where these gods already appear. I think it's the Ogaritic texts. There are 70 sons of Elion, the highest Elohim. And in the Bible, we have 70 nations. So that fits to the normal ancient alien theory.
@oliverjanichAnd I already made a post about, or I posted a video of a friend of yours, or to answer, it's a friend of mine, I forget the name again, that he was a Zionist. And the only god he took out of his theory was Yahweh, which is logical, of course, if you're a Zionist. But it's very clear. I mean, it's hard in one space to explain the whole ancient alien theory.
@oliverjanichMany of you might not be familiar with that because that's not your main topic, but I'm proposing that is the main topic.
Ian MalcolmSo, for example- Well, and we did a space, Oliver, not sure if you're, and I think you are, with Dr. Heather Lynn. We talked about the Anunnaki, and it was certainly very interesting. It's a different take, obviously, and I'm not sure if it's something that you want to touch upon, but so just to come back to the idea of Christ and kind of the contrast of the Old and New Testament,
Ian MalcolmI suppose in case some of this in a shorter telling, you're essentially looking at this and saying not only is the God of the Old Testament not necessarily the God of Jesus Christ, but that based on your belief in this idea that there was something perhaps not just supernatural, but maybe let's say alien about the Old Testament, that Christ was basically coming out and saying you could...
Ian MalcolmI don't know if your position is to discount all of it or some of it or whatever, but that Christ was perhaps a complete break off of all of that and was saying, no, let me tell you about an entirely different God, different creator. Am I understanding that right or no?
@oliverjanichYeah, so maybe I forgot that because that was the beginning of my latest video. So it's very clear. I come to your question then, but I want to lay that out before. So we have this Bible verse, Matthew 13, 11, where he says to the disciples, he answered and said to them, because it has been given to you the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
@oliverjanichMysteria is the Greek word here, and mysteria is a secret only entrusted to the initiated. So he was basically founder of a mystery school. But even if you discard that, he tells something to the disciples which he doesn't tell to the public. And I think it's encoded in the parables. So and now back to your question. So he is 40 days in the desert, and he is fasting and praying.
@oliverjanichSo we know that this creates a theta wave state. That's just a fact, that if you fast for so long, you get into the theta wave state. MKUltra is in part experimenting on that. Also, how is it called? Sensory deprivation and so on. For example, Lazarus was in a cave and so on. So who comes then? He meets Satan. So he is in that state and thinks he meets Satan.
@oliverjanichThat's the name of the authors for this being. And this being offers him all the kingdoms of the world. But in the Old Testament, Yahweh, possesses all the kingdoms of the world. And the great difference, and that's the theological argument also here. Moses submits to Yahweh and says, yes, we conquer the whole world by force.
@oliverjanichThat's the real covenant. That's another topic. The real covenant is that Yahweh says to the Israelites, you give me gold, silver, and cattle. and even in the older versions or in the beginning, your children, and I conquer the world for you. And Jesus says the exact opposite, says, no, I don't want that. My kingdom is not of this world and so on.
@oliverjanichSo I think he meets the same entity. They call Yahweh in the Old Testament and Satan in the New Testament and rejects this offer. And later he says, the father of the Israelites is the devil. And later in the, I mean, that's too much for almost anybody, but I put it out there. The devil in Revelation is identified with a dragon.
@oliverjanichAnd in the Old Testament, Yahweh is described as a dragon who puts out fire out of his mouth. So you have all the textual evidence which fits, although it's hard to believe, but how do you, I mean, yeah, I want to hear arguments against that because you are in a theta wave state. We know that you can connect to the spiritual world.
@oliverjanichYou can leave your body. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but in this state, Robert Monroe talked about that a lot. You can leave your body and you are in a spiritual world. And I'm proposing it's just, in quotation marks, it's just another dimension. And we have up to 11 dimensions. So I'm proposing that angels and demons are in a certain dimension, but they can't change the dimensions.
@oliverjanichAnd UFOs are technology to come from one dimension to this dimension, which is also proposed by many scientists, that the aliens are just interdimensional beings or ultra terrestrial is one term for it. So we have all the science today who explains to us how that could work. Of course, there's no proof of that, but there are many
@oliverjanichScola is already talking about the interdimensional beings. So if you put all of that together, it just makes sense.
@oliverjanichI'm finished now for now.
@joann_marieSorry, Oliver. No, I muted her a couple of times, but I dropped her from speech.
Ian MalcolmYeah, I just dropped you and blocked the person. It's so difficult, Oliver, because I always want to be... Thank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmYour position is that Christ in his fasting, that he was able to achieve perhaps a state of enlightenment, if not one of just kind of maybe spiritual nirvana and perhaps of scientific discovery, and that somewhere in there that he may have come not only to some of these conclusions about the past, but also had this engagement with essentially the God of the Old Testament, who in your belief system...
Ian Malcolmis essentially Satan, which was being worshipped by these individuals that I guess today we would think of as the Jews. And I mean, it's worth noting that like Dr. Rectenwald was stating, not only was that at one point or another kind of doctrine within Christianity, but again, if we just look at the teachings of Christ, they are very much so out of alignment with a lot of the things that we see in the Old Testament in terms of sacrifices and murder.
Ian MalcolmAnd so it's an interesting suggestion. But so in your eyes here, Christ was what? We've heard a little bit about your thoughts on the Old Testament. Was Jesus Christ the son of the true God? Was he just a man? Was he spiritually special? Was he performing magic? What's your take on Jesus Christ here?
@oliverjanichNo, I first want to answer your first bit because I'm proposing another outrageous thing. I did not make a video about it yet, but I'm saying that the devil doesn't exist because So Satan in the Old Testament works for Yahweh or the Ilium Council. If you see that, he works like a prosecutor. And the name, it's not a name, it's a chop description.
@oliverjanichThey say, HaSatan, and that means the prosecutor. And what he does with Job, he's testing him like a sting operation. So he works for the Ilium Council or for Yahweh and tests the people. But if Satan worked for Yahweh, Then he can't be the devil. He's just somebody working for the Elohim. And then they mixed it up with Yahweh himself.
@oliverjanichI mean, Yahweh is described as a dragon. And the devil is also described as, sometimes, you know, with the wings and the horns, sometimes also described like a dragon. So I'm saying, but unfortunately there are demons, so I don't, you know... There are bad forces, the archons and so on, but I think there's not one figure like the devil.
@oliverjanichBut some Christians need the devil because they say, you hear that often, well, if the devil exists, then God must exist. But I'm saying there is no devil. There is not one entity like Satan. There are evil forces, but there is no one guy who plays against God.
@oliverjanichI think that's a much more logical thing to think that, OK, there are evil forces, but there is not one big opponent. And that's all made up later. Also, Lucifer doesn't exist. Lucifer is just a translation of the word morning star in Latin. And later, they made Lucifer like the devil or the bad guy fighting God. But this, I think, diminishes God.
@oliverjanichThat there's one big opponent. It's just there are evil forces, but there is not one big guy, the devil, who fights against them all the time. I mean, metaphorically, you can say the devil stands for evil, but I'm proposing there is not one devil, because it's just a misunderstanding from the Old Testament or from when Jesus met this being.
@oliverjanichSo Jesus himself... As I said, I think he didn't want to found a church, but he gave the secrets. I mean, but that's a whole other topic. I think it's possible that he was in India in the missing years and learned a lot of that here. And I think he just wanted to teach us. And maybe we come to that now. Yeah, we come to that now.
@oliverjanichSo the big force, which I'm proposing in my book that he fought Secret Societies of His Time.
Ian MalcolmAnd then the devil or Lucifer or however you want to describe it, in your opinion, that is merely just an agent that is working for God the Father who created the heavens and the earth. And in that world, if that is the case, did the battle, I suppose, between God and Lucifer and the fallen angel and all that, that is just a redirection or misdirection?
Ian MalcolmIs that right in your worldview?
@oliverjanichYes, the falling angels are just the Elohim, and that's also very clear. So the Nephilim are the product of the sons of God, they say. In reality, you see, it's the sons of the Elohim who came down to Earth and mated with human women. So they are physical beings because otherwise you cannot mate with, you know, have sex with human women.
@oliverjanichAnd that's what they call the fallen angels. It was just, let's call them aliens. I think they're from another dimension, but to imagine them. They were just like we would if we go to a foreign planet and the women look nice there. Some of the humans, astronauts, would go there and, well, they look nice and we mate with them.
@oliverjanichSo they are not fallen angels. They are just the sons of the Elohim. And it's very clear. It says it. So that's a theological explanation of something very down to earth. I don't know how to say that in English.
Ian MalcolmNo, it's free of the supernatural. So then to understand your perspective on this is that therefore... Thank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmMore alien rather than supernatural in terms of angels in a religious sense. Is that right?
@oliverjanichYes. And the very interesting thing, I will make a video about that, that all the powers to be trace their ancestry to the Nephilim. I can't explain that out of the top of my head. But what's very interesting is that the Rothschilds are part of them and Donald Trump. And that makes sense now because he was helped by the Rothschilds.
@oliverjanichAnd out of the top of my head, the Rothschilds called one of their hedge funds Nimrod. Nimrod is one of the Nephilim. And Trump traces his ancestry to a British king, and he also traces his ancestry to the Nephilim. So what they think, the powers to be, think they are descendants of the Nephilim. Maybe it's even true, but I didn't check that.
@oliverjanichBut they think that. And it's also what I'm proposing that the secret societies, you know, they are called secret societies because they are secret. Nobody really knows it. We have a lot about Freemasons, about their graves, and there's also some interesting things in it, some surprising things that would be another space.
@oliverjanichBut I think they know all of that. So imagine a scene out of, I wanted to make a video about it, it's much more, Shocking them, but imagine in your head you have this serenade, that ritual, like an ice-white shot. And suddenly the guy in the middle puts back his hoodie and you see a reptilian. That alone would shock you to the core.
@oliverjanichAnd I forgot that to say, there's an Israeli scientist who said he worked for the Defense Department. I forgot his name, but it's in my video. And he says the Israelis are in contact with aliens. But we see now what they do in Gaza. They are doing a genocide. So it's logical to conclude that these are the bad aliens. I'm even saying these are the reptilians because the reptilians are described as bad.
@oliverjanichAnd they even on Fox News, they say they are reptilians. So I'm proposing that they are in contact with the reptilians. And that's a big secret. And what I also wanted to say, which is very important, is that Jesus founded a mystery school. Mystery school is not a secret society. Secret society is the powers to be come together and to manipulate mankind.
@oliverjanichBut his mystery school countered that because he uses one weapon they do not possess, and this is love. Because he says in the commandment, the love to God and the love for your neighbor. And this counters them because they cannot feel love. That is his counter to the secret societies. And I will do an interview with that also, somebody who practices meditation.
@oliverjanichIf you see all the gurus of the New Age movement, most of them tell you that it's for self-development, the meditation and so on. But in reality, it's the love for other people, empathy for other people. And this breaks the power of the secret societies. So that's what he was teaching. And if you look at all of the people who take DMT or near-death experience, which is very similar, they all talk about that the love for other people is important.
@oliverjanichSo if you die, you have this movie of your life. And most of the people say you saw, they felt, Thank you very much.
@oliverjanichThis endless love. And that's also something you feel on drugs. But I'm proposing that it's not the drug. It's just some drugs. Open the portal to these other dimensions where it is about love, where you feel that. And yeah, that's what I think Jesus taught.
Ian MalcolmSo a couple, it's interesting because I actually, I mean, Oliver, I think that comment that you made there about love and of essentially loving your neighbor as yourself, it's kind of one of the two great commandments, right? And it obviously was at the center of everything that Christ taught. And if we look at the people today, it seems very clear that they have no, not only empathy, but no love for essentially anything.
Ian MalcolmIt's all power hungry, maniacal control. When you then describe them as,
Ian MalcolmIn their time, right? Things like rain, right? All kinds of people have done this all across the planet. They've attributed it to various gods and whatnot. So when we try to blend what is the real world explanation perhaps for some of these spiritual things, I find it very interesting. Again, I'm going to be very curious for the pulse of some of the people in here.
Ian MalcolmFeel free to come up, share differing opinions. If you like, certainly ask questions.
@oliverjanichOkay, because I think it will get chaotic for me. Go to other people now. I'm also curious. But I want to tell you my worldview. How that all fits together in my opinion. That's not provable, but that's my worldview. So I think that it's all about consciousness and everything is consciousness more or less. And I think, that's my personal opinion, that God, let's call him that, decided he wants to experience himself.
@oliverjanichSo to experience yourself, if you're only oneness, you're only one, you can't... For example, information, you can only transport information with zeros and ones. So like in the computer, if you have zeros and ones, you can't transport information. So to experience himself, he had to divide himself in a sense. And there comes the good and the bad.
@oliverjanichAnd I think God put in a mechanism to not destroy himself. And the mechanism is karma. I go to that in my book. Jesus told I mean, that's another big topic. Reincarnation and karma. That's relatively easy to prove, but okay. And I think karma is the mechanism that if you hurt somebody else, you die, you experience that in the Sheol.
@oliverjanichSheol is not hell. Sheol is the place where you experience that. And then you come back to make it better. Because otherwise, evil is the destructive force. But the destructive force obviously never wins because we would not be here. So the mechanism to counter that destructive force is karma and you are sent back to learn empathy and so on.
@oliverjanichAnd you have to learn it in the real world because, that's another big theory of mine, in this world we have scarce resources. So if I want to drink a water and you want to drink it, there's a fight about it. But in the higher dimensions, we don't have that fight. So to experience the good and evil or the conflict, you have to go into the physical world.
@oliverjanichAnd this is where you learn empathy. And love is, in an abstract sense, it's only the feeling you have for the whole. Because we are all, I know it sounds esoteric, but we are all one. And that's why you have to learn empathy, because you are destroying yourself. So that's my, it's not provable, but that's my rationale for why these things exist and why some people strive to being good.
@oliverjanichMaybe we all, I think people like me or everybody who listens, who is interested in that, in my opinion, has an older soul because there are many people who are not even interested in these topics. But if you're interested in these topics, good and evil and so on, I think because you have an older soul, you experience many lifetimes.
@oliverjanichand you already learned a lot that's why you're more interested in spiritual things and and yeah maybe we are one step ahead because if you learned all of that then you don't have to come back then you ascend that's the ascension that that it's an individual process it's not for everybody on earth it's if you did well on earth if you were a nice being if you fought for good
@oliverjanichThen you can ascend. And if not, you have to come back. And it makes a logical sense from a perspective of a very intelligent being. How do I do that without destroying myself? That's my own theory about that.
@oliverjanichI'm finished.
@joann_marieThat's wonderful, Oliver. We have a friend called Rabbi [guest] that he has an interesting theory that when karma happens and then you come back, You come back as what you hate the most so that you leave what they are going through. So, for example, his theory is that's why they want to exterminate the Palestinians, because if the Palestinians are not there, they won't be able to come back as them and go through what they are putting them through.
@joann_marieAnd I mean, it sounds pretty interesting. So what are your thoughts on that?
@joann_marieFor example, he believes that when karma happens, you come back as whatever you hate the most or whatever you want to destroy the most. And for example, the Jews in Israel want to exterminate the Palestinians so that they cannot come back as them, because if they do not exist anymore, they cannot come back as them and they cannot go through what the universe or God or whatever is trying to teach them.
@joann_marieYou know, if you exterminate whatever you are coming back as, you won't be able, you know, like you won't come back as that.
@oliverjanichI wouldn't subscribe to that because karma is an individual thing. So if one Israeli soldier kills one Palestinian, he gets bad karma and he experienced that tenfold in the Sheol. But the whole collective thinking is wrong. There is no collective guilt. There is also not a collective guilt of the Jews. There are certain Jews who do bad things, the Rothschilds or George Soros.
@oliverjanichBut if you are a Jew who helps the Palestinians, and they are, you do good and then you ascend, no matter what you believe. If you only do good in the world as an individual, you ascend. There is no collective punishment. And that also comes from the Old Testament with the collective punishment. I mean, Yahweh killed every firstborn child or commanded to kill every firstborn child in Egypt.
@oliverjanichWhat's that for a nonsense? A child by definition is innocent. And all these collective punishment things, they come from the Old Testament. And it's in our thinking also. But there is no such thing as collective guilt. I mean, I as a German, I always felt guilty, you know, the story of the Second World War. I'm not allowed to go into that.
@oliverjanichBut I wasn't there. I didn't do anything. So there is no such thing as a collective guilt. And so your example also doesn't make sense in my view.
@joann_marieOh, OK. Well, thank you so much for that, Oliver. And what are your thoughts on, for example, the technocrats, that they have done so much harm in the world, but they do not want to die. Maybe they are afraid of the karma that they are going to get afterwards.
@oliverjanichExactly, they want to live forever to escape the karma. And they want to connect us to the machines to basically rob us of our souls. But there's another layer to that. So in the secret societies they teach, because you have to think why are some people, why are so many bad people? How that works is like the Faustian Pact.
@oliverjanichFor example, Goethe was an Illuminati and a Freemason, so he knew all of that. So at first they promise you something and you only have to do a little bad thing and then you're blackmailable and so on. So you do all the bad things. But what they have promised on the highest level, at least according to William Schnoebel, and I don't know if everything is rightly saying, but it makes sense to me, they are being told that if you do all the bad things, you get a universe to rule.
@oliverjanichBut of course, that's wrong. They just get into the show and get all the harm. So to justify that, they say after your death, you get the universe to rule. But there are also people who say, yeah, I'm not sure what really happens. And they want to live forever and they want to upload their consciousness into a machine.
@oliverjanichBut that's impossible. I mean, the whole transhumanism thing is a joke. For example, AI doesn't have consciousness and it will never have consciousness. It just doesn't work like that, but they want to tell us that. And I think some of the transhumanists believe in that, that you can upload your consciousness somewhere, but that's totally silly.
@oliverjanichAnd that's also why I'm in part positive, not so pessimistic about AI. It will never have consciousness. And so humankind as a whole can fight this, but this would be a whole nother topic. But basically for them or the Kabbalists, just as what John Bjergnes talks a lot about that, And they want to connect us to the material world because the material world is the lowest.
@oliverjanichThey have a pyramid there, the Jewish soul is at the top and then comes the animal soul, then comes the gentile soul, I think something like that. And they want to bind us to the material world. That's their rationale. And I talk a lot about the Kabbalah in my book, but I think that would be a topic for another day. The Kabbalists know all of that and they want to trap us in the material world.
@joann_marieAmazing. Well, thank you. Oh, sorry.
@oliverjanichSorry. And if that happened, if they would be able, the bad guys would be able to live forever, they would be trapped in the material world. So in a sense, they are all fooling themselves. And that's one very important thing I want to mention is they have to offer you a contract. Satan, so to speak. I said Satan doesn't exist, but the Satanists, they always offer you a contract.
@oliverjanichSo there seems to be in the law, in the universe, that you have to agree to what happens to you. And if you look at many of the people, they agree. And then, you know, all the stars like recently Hayden died or was killed. If you see all the stars who then die mysteriously and so on, they made the contract. But so Satan or the Satanists,
@oliverjanichhave a right to their soul. So you always have to agree to that. And even the bad guys agree to that law that you have to agree to that, you have to sell your soul. It's a weird transactional rule, but it kind of makes sense. So it's fully in your hand if you go to the evil side or not. So every show analyst, for example, mainstream show analyst, he has the choice
@oliverjanichto join us to go in the alternative media scene. He doesn't do that. He will suffer. That's his karma. He will, for example, imagine that the mainstream journalists who pushed the vaccine, they will feel in the show all the people they killed or were disabled because of the vaccine. They will feel that. So they are doing themselves not a favor.
@oliverjanichAnd that's another big topic of Jesus is forgiveness. I talked to a famous journalist who brought me the book. Initially, my book was about that book, but then I discovered all the other things. And I told her, oh, forgiveness is so difficult because how can you forgive Bill Gates? And she explained to me, yeah, because God and the karma is taking care of that.
@oliverjanichSo you can forgive them. You know what I mean? I mean, it's hard for me. I see all this evil in the world. It's hard for me to forgive them.
@oliverjanichBe in that state of mind. I think it's a good thing because then you're not so angry anymore and you can say, okay, I forgive them. God takes care of it. It's difficult for me. I'm not angry at somebody who did something to me for a long time. I don't know the English term. So I am forgiving in the small things, but in the big things, I don't know.
@oliverjanichBut if you want to learn a lesson, it's good to be forgiving.
@joann_marieThank you, Oliver. Really, really quick. There is a really famous quote that I don't know who said it, and I keep repeating it, but it's, evil must hide in plain sight for the rules of the universe demand that the deceived must consent to the deception. And I don't know who said it. I don't think anybody knows, but I think it is very accurate for what you were talking about.
@oliverjanichAnd that's also in my book, and that's the predictive programming. With Hayden, I... I can't pronounce the last name of her. She was in a movie where she almost died of a drug incident. Then she is in Heroes, where during the solar eclipse, people are weakened. She dies shortly after the solar eclipse. I think it's a ritual.
@oliverjanichI just put it out there. I can't prove it yet. But they always show the things in movies, but it doesn't work. So, for example,
Speaker 1Sorry, I'm just saying where she got the COVID vaccine, like her brother who died suddenly as well.
@oliverjanichOh, yeah, it's very interesting. Let me finish that thought. So the passport of Neo in the Matrix,
@oliverjanichEnds at 9-11-2001. This is predictive programming. But I think they are wrong about that. Because only if you know how it works, you saw that as a sign. So it's their theory that they are exonerated when they tell us everything. But I think it's wrong. It's just a justification in their satanic circles. Yeah, we told them.
@oliverjanichBut if you don't see it, I think it's just the... Thank you so much, Oliver. Sorry, I interrupted you.
@joann_marieIt's good. Okay. I'm so sorry. Okay. Well, I'm loving this space. I love wood spaces so much. So guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and Christopher and Oliver and Dr. Michael and Mandy and Lori and dancing. Everybody in the panel are just absolute superstars. So thank you so much for being here.
@joann_marieAnd should we go to a couple of hands?
@oliverjanichWell, one quick question, Oliver. I was just going to ask real quick, Oliver.
Ian MalcolmSomebody sent a note asking, so if you don't believe in Lucifer and Satan, the question that was asked is if you believe in heaven and hell.
@oliverjanichNo, I think it's made quite clear. There's a story where a rich man dies.
@oliverjanichAnd he's in the shoal and he talks to another guy. And that's my proof also for reincarnation. And he says, yeah, tell my sons this and that. And he says, no, they have to experience that themselves. I don't know who's there who says that. So I think the shoal is what they mistake for hell because you experience all the bad things you did to others.
@oliverjanichSo it feels like hell, of course. But since God is forgiving, He would not sentence you forever. So you have the chance. So you are in the show, you experience all that and in your conscious and remember that God can read your mind. So if you are really ready because you experience all the pain you did to others and say, okay, now I'm ready to come back and do good.
@oliverjanichSo I don't think there's eternal hell. That doesn't make sense if you have a forgiving God, because you are also his creation, also as a bad guy, and you have the chance to repent.
Ian MalcolmWell, fair enough. Well, let's go to Dr. Rectenwald.
@rectheregimeHey, I do have a couple of things to say, but I think Lori's been waiting longer and I'd like to hear what she has to say. I'm also interested in what Major Marion Knight has to say. And I do have a couple of points I'd like to add, but I'll just wait for it to go around.
@joann_marieLori? Oh, hi. Welcome. How are you?
Speaker 1Oh, hi. Hi. How are you doing? Thanks for having this space. It's very interesting. Thank you, Ian and JoAnn and everybody. Thank you, Michael, for tossing to me, whatever. But I'll just be really quick. This is like a lot of different points that are made. And Oliver, I know you're a scholar and all that. But the Church of Satan, I mean, I do believe there is a devil, but...
Speaker 1The Church of Satan, historically, I mean, when you trace, to me, if you can take a step back, it's a good and evil thing. The adherence to the Church of Satan, it's just going on and on. And I think you mentioned briefly about COVID and just something really quickly. There are people that are blatantly worshiping Satan because one of the chemicals in the COVID vaccine was called, and you could name anything,
Speaker 1A million different words. Luciferase or luciferase. And to add that, to name that specific chemical. And there's other blatant word reversals in the new blue vaccine. There's one in Latin, and I'm sorry, Nick something, it means quick death. I mean, they're just being very blatant. If that's not, that is... incontrovertibly in adherence to Satan.
Speaker 1And I believe, you know, when you go into the history of Freemasonry, I'm almost done. Let me just Freemasonry and all that. And you look at the adherence to that. And Alton Childs, a very famous Australian musician, he almost he almost wrecked on a car like it was a miracle he survived. And he did a five hour video, which Michael Rectenwald, Dr. Rett pointed out to me.
Speaker 1And it really was the most amazing video I ever saw about Hollywood that traces and it's directly tracing to Satanism. And this is just it just won't stop. I mean. And I think that the same 30 people in the CDC, everyone in the CDC under at least Biden and I don't know beyond that or before that, were a certain religion that I won't like name 30.
Speaker 1OK, it was all 30, 30 out of 30. And somebody tried to mention this in a town hall and got shut down for speaking.
@joann_marieIt's Christopher. He's the co-host right now. I'm sorry. The one the person you're speaking of is Christopher and he's the co-host.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
@joann_marieYeah, he's awesome.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I'm so happy that you met him. Oh, my apologies. But yeah, I'm just saying, and really quickly, and then I'm done. Eric von Donaghan, Chariots of the Gods with a question mark. And I do believe, I don't think it's mutually exclusive, like I can believe in Jesus Christ and think there were aliens here. Because if you look at ancient aliens, as it were, because if you look at artwork in caves all over the world, and if you've seen the documentary on it and read the books and all that,
Speaker 1Without ways of communicating with each other, people painted on caves. And I know some people go, oh, a celebrity looks like another one, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But this was absolutely incontrovertible, an astronaut sitting in a chair. I mean, there's nothing else to call it. And these were all over the world. And there were stones that could not have been moved by the populations of the weight of the males and the number of the males.
Speaker 1And there's... There's no water leakage. There's nothing that has lasted thousands of years. And this is, you know, you can do the chemical test. The science will tell you that something is up with this. And it doesn't mean that it precludes any belief in Jesus Christ. I don't think they have to be, you know, mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1But I'm sorry I talked too long or something. But go ahead, Oliver, if you want to say something back.
@oliverjanichYeah, to make it totally clear, there are Satanists and there are Luciferians. My next book will be about them. But I'm just saying it's not one entity, it's demons. I don't want to spell out the name of the demons, but for example, a friend of mine who wrote a lot about MKUltra, he met one of them. So he had MKUltra. A victim to child abuse, and this demon spoke to him.
@oliverjanichAnd he had exactly that name that appears also, I think, in Kabbalistic texts or something. I don't remember exactly. So there are demons, and there is a hierarchy, most likely, and you could call the most powerful. This demon spoke of a more powerful demon. So I'm just saying, if you read the text, Satan works for Yahweh, works for the Elohim.
@oliverjanichSo they worship Satan or the demons by the wrong name. So they call demons. And that's what the child abuse is about, the killing of children, because then the demons come in. So there are Satanists and there are Luciferians. But Lucifer is also another topic. It's too complicated now. But there are Satanists and there are summoning demons.
@oliverjanichI'm just saying it's not one person.
Speaker 1I believe there are demons, too. I'll just end that real quick. And Fauci et al. And there's a bunch of other ones. But yes, I believe there are demons. Thank you for letting me speak.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Lori. And that was awesome. And I want to see if Christopher wants to ask anything. And I posted the video that you were talking about in the jump button, Ronnie. Chris?
@theleaderofusaYes, I believe. Ian, refresh my memory. Who did we talk to before many spaces back? And he also said that we were talking about the Jews and whatnot. And he also mentioned Luciferians and these people being different. Do you remember what I'm talking about? A similar topic came up before. Well, there's been a lot of them.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm not sure I know the specific that you're referring to. But it is, Christopher, I'd be curious actually for your thoughts on what Oliver was just suggesting there, that idea that there's not necessarily a Satan, but rather that I suppose there's demons, which takes me down. Maybe you've seen one too many horror films, right, about possessions and all those kind of things.
Ian MalcolmI mean, I take, I suppose, a little bit more of a traditional approach. I think there's probably the super demon that sits above all other demons that would be what I would call Lucifer, I suppose, or Satan or just evil in general. But Chris, I'm kind of curious for your thoughts on that.
@theleaderofusaThere we go. Can you hear me? I was not unmuting.
@joann_marieYeah.
@theleaderofusaYep. All right. Yeah. So I do believe as well that there is a certain caste, a hierarchy, no doubt about it. I mean, if you come to the conclusion that. These people who call themselves Jews but are not Jews, that they're the children of Satan. And we do understand that there is warfare beyond the physical realm, that it only also leads to the conclusion that it's more than just this fatherly satanic figure and then his children.
@theleaderofusaThere's going to be everything in between that that's trying to serve the darker purpose. And the Catholics believe in this as well. They definitely believe in a caste system of both good and evil. And they believe, you know, like Beelzebub and I think there's other demons because in their exorcisms, the Catholics have to figure out the name of the demon in order to exorcise it, from what I understand.
@theleaderofusaSo, I do believe that there is this caste system, but there is an ultimate of the evil, I do imagine. And it only makes sense to me, no doubt about it. Now, when we start to get into... You know, whether these things, what kind of aliens or reptilians or this or that, it's, you know, they are different and they are not like us.
@theleaderofusaAnd whatever that shakes out to be down the road is just what it is. And, yeah, that's my two cents. But I do, oh, I did have a question for you, Oliver, but I forgot what it was. A question pertaining to, I'll think of it. I'll come back to it. But does that answer your question, Ian?
Ian MalcolmNo, it definitely does, and I'm sorry I can't remember the exact conversation that you were referencing previously, but Chris, you sparked something in my mind here. So, Oliver, in your worldview, right, you've got this set of demons, and I suppose they're here for whatever that purpose is, and Christ comes down, and he has these visions.
Ian MalcolmHe spends the 40 days in the desert. He encounters this demon. Right. He then at one point or another, he talks about the synagogue of dot, dot, dot. And I'm not going to finish that statement because I will get thrown off of this app if I do, which is kind of curious, right? Because it suggests that the people that run this application, as well as Facebook and everything else, that they don't want us talking about that certain synagogue.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I'm kind of curious when Chris mentioned that the idea of you are the sons of your father. That's what Christ says before referring to the synagogue of dot, dot, dot. Who is it that he's referring to in that statement as both the people that he's talking to? When he says you, who is the you and who is the father that he's referencing?
@oliverjanichYeah, I think the father in his mind is Satan, the one who he just experienced. And it's curious that he says, They pretend to be the dot, dot, dot, and they are not. I mean, we have the Kazarian theory and all of that. So I think it's not necessarily contradictive to what I'm saying. But I had another thought during that question with the...
Ian MalcolmBut the Kazarians wouldn't even be relevant for that window, right? Because they're just the timeline.
@oliverjanichExactly. So maybe he's referring to... I don't know. I don't know what he's referring to, but it's clear that he is addressing the whole group.
Ian MalcolmSo... Yeah, no, he's talking about all those people. So here's one for you. This idea, we're talking about Christ as the man. I've always found it kind of interesting, this idea that in the day, right, because we always hear people that, let's say, are aware of the Jewish question, Thank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmJesus' father. It's not a Jewish guy, right? And so I'm kind of curious for your thoughts, Oliver, on the idea of Christ as a person. Who do you suppose were his parents and what do you suppose was his ethnicity?
@oliverjanichOkay, that's a whole other topic. I will make a video about it. I think it's very probable that he was a Gentile, maybe even Aryan, but that's... I can put the arguments together out of the top of my hand, but what you can check yourself is that Galilee, you can now go on Wikipedia and look it up, it means place of the Gentiles.
@oliverjanichSo there was a time, there was a king who forced them to convert to Judaism, and later there came a king who extracted all the real Jews. So there were no real Jews left. So I'm thinking he was kind of a crypto-Gentile, if you will. And the Gentiles' beliefs, for example, compared to the Germanic beliefs, they are very similar to what Jesus really taught.
@oliverjanichAnd there's a case to be made because there were Aryans in that area. I forgot the name of the scientist who said that.
@oliverjanichI think he, because he always says, you choose. I hope I can say that on the space. So if you say you choose, then it doesn't include you. It doesn't include Jesus. So that doesn't make sense. So I think he was a Gentile and maybe even Aryan.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, I think there's a very good argument to be made in that favor. It's funny, I mentioned Dustin Nemos previously, so I'll share his perspective, which I asked him this question, I'm going to ask you the same one, Oliver, which is if you had to pick a famous person or a Hollywood actor to portray what you think Jesus would have physically looked like, who would that be and all?
Ian MalcolmLet you know that I think Dustin Nemo said Mel Gibson was his response. But I'm curious what your thoughts on who Jesus would have looked like in your idea.
@oliverjanichYeah, so I make a case, but it's complicated. I make a case that Thor, who is in the Hollywood movies, is Jesus, is the Germanic version of Jesus. But that's a very complicated thing. So there are two Documents who portray him as blonde and blue eyed, but they are later. So I looked into that because I hope to find it.
@oliverjanichThere's even a colleague of mine who made a whole book out of it, but I don't know how he argued that he's really that. But the interesting thing that the document originated in Italy and they are not blonde there, so they would not have a motive to say that. But maybe it's the
Ian MalcolmThe Shroud of Turin, which Oliver, it's funny you mentioned that because I was going to ask you that exact question. We did a space with the Goy father, who's one of my favorite kind of religious experts on this app. And he walked through the Shroud of Turin. And for anybody not familiar, it's basically an imprint of Christ that religiously speaking would supposedly have been
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThe scientists that did the experiment, the conclusion they came to was that the amount of energy that would have had to have been imprinted onto that shroud would have been more than multiple times over the power of the most powerful nuclear bomb that we've been able to construct while simultaneously doing no damage to the shroud itself, which is, it's an unbelievable piece of science there.
@oliverjanichYeah, I saw the Tucker interview with somebody who says that, I don't know if it's the same guy. It's kind of a miracle. And by the way, there is a Templar who wrote a book and he thinks it's Jacques de Molay. I just want to throw that out there. They took it for them, which makes sense because I always talk about the thing that's called satanic reversal.
@oliverjanichThey always turn everything 100 degrees around. I think it's a miracle that we have that imprint and likely he looks like that. It's super interesting, but I had another thing I forgot about. I can't remember exactly.
@theleaderofusaBack during the times of Jesus Christ, do you believe fake Jews existed during the times of Jesus?
@oliverjanichYeah, I also know the theory of Dustin Niemus and we were in contact years ago, for example now, and he says we are the Jews. But that makes it worse. If we were the Jews, then we are the ones who would have worshipped the cruel Yahweh. So I don't know. It's like, I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, the normal Judaism already is bad.
@oliverjanichSo if you say they are what some, I mean, you can still say they say they are Jews and they do something bad, which is the synagogue. But I mean, also in the religion itself, in the Jewish religion, they don't think of themselves as being the bad guys. So maybe it's there, you know, they think that. So, for example, you can say the supremacy thing, Ian, I can say that word?
@oliverjanichOh, you certainly can. Yeah, okay, so the Jewish supremacy thing. So there are a lot of quotes that they think they are better than us. But the official line is, the official line is we have to be the better people as a light to the world. That's the official line. That is still some kind of supremacy because they say, yeah, we are the ones who have, you have to have that.
@oliverjanichBut it's another... It's not the same as saying, yeah, we are better, all of you, we have to crush you, which they have in the Zohar and so on. But it's more, you know, the official teaching, so to speak, is we have to be the good guys. We have to be very God obeying, which is also insane. There's the 613 Mitzvahs, which Jesus got rid of because it's crazy, don't work on Saturday.
@oliverjanichThere are many crazy rules, but they think of themselves We have to be very good. And that also includes being kind to each other. I mean, the main message of Jesus, it's also there. Even the Old Testament is saying, yeah, you have to be nice to the stranger because we were strangers in another land. So the whole Bible is contradictory.
@oliverjanichBut you can, as a Jew, you can go there and say, yeah, I want to be a good person. You know, the people who rule us are not these kind of people who say, yeah, we are the good guys. Well, let's say that the Torah Jews and we don't want to crush the Palestinians. So there are all kinds of different things. But what I'm saying is that the one who are ruling us, these are the bad guys.
@oliverjanichSo even if I say Yahweh wasn't the bad guy, they don't think of that like that. So, yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's like and this maybe could be meant by.
@theleaderofusaYou said before that you believe in Jesus Christ and that you prayed to him. In the Bible, do you believe that all the words in red, you know, all the words that Jesus said in the Bible, do you believe those to be accurate or do you believe that to be man's interpretation and potentially flawed?
@oliverjanichbecause Michael Rectenwald did show up, so maybe we go to him after that. So that's very important is that the Gospels, I forgot this argument, were written 30 to 70 years by mostly Jews who wanted to convince their fellow Jews that he is their Messiah. So no, I don't think so. I think the Gospel of Thomas is the most accurate and these are the real sayings and there is a mirroring.
@oliverjanichFor example, that's one very important point. Jesus says the kingdom of God is within you. That already means you have to know yourself. And that's more probably expressed in the Gospel of Commerce. He says you have to know yourself, which is also the teachings of the good mystery schools. So I think that some of this is correctly preserved, but some of that is made up.
@oliverjanichFor example, somebody objected to me under my video. He says, In one letter, it says, Jesus has no mysteries. He taught all of that for the public or something like that. But then I looked into it and scholars say this was added later. And in John, there's a similar phrase. And the scholars say, no, it's a theological interpretation of what Jesus said.
@oliverjanichSo they, of course, wanted to fit it to their narrative. So no, I think. I think the most important message is the neighborly love, but that's also not unique to Christianity, but it's also in Buddhism and so on. But what makes him unique is that, for example, our calendar is based on Christ's birth. It's the wrong date, but the whole world knows of Jesus because of the calendar.
@oliverjanichSo he has this extra, how to call it, he has a very, very big meaning And I think it was to transport the real message of him through the times. It's like if you read it like I read it, it's also in the parables, it's preserved. It's kind of a miracle that his real message is preserved, but we have to rediscover it. But no, the whole Bible is written by humans and they make mistakes and it was edited.
@oliverjanichSo it's not... It's not the word of God. If somebody brings an argument to me, some say, yeah, but God allowed it to be written like that. Yeah, but God also allowed my book to be written. So that doesn't make sense. But I think the Bible transports the real message of what really happened. One of my favorite quotes is that the truth will set you free.
@oliverjanichNot God will set you free. Not Jesus will set you free. The truth will set you free. That's the truth about political things. So in my opinion, you have to strive for truth. So what we do in the truth movement is what Jesus wanted. It's not about... And I think you're also guilty in a sense for your karma if you don't do that, if you do not really try to get to the truth.
@oliverjanichAnd that comes back to the Jewish question. If you ignore that, the blatant overrepresentation of this tribe in politics, and you ignore that, you're not doing God's or Jesus' work. Because this is so obvious. It doesn't blame every one of them. We had that often, Ian. It doesn't blame every one of them. But if you ignore that, then you're not a truth seeker.
@oliverjanichThen you're not doing what Jesus wanted. So seek for the truth and also seek the truth within yourself. So I think that's one of the most important messages in the Bible that you have. And another thing I want to say, because I get this objection often. I'm one of the false prophets. First of all, I'm not a prophet. I'm just a journalist.
@oliverjanichI think he meant the modern church. All these prophets in the modern church who distort his teachings, these are the false prophets. So you can turn that also around. But seeking for the truth, as I said, it's hard to verify a theory, but you can falsify many theories. And I think seeking for truth is doing God's work.
@theleaderofusaThere we go. Michael, did you want to add to that? And then I didn't know if the host wanted to get to some of these ants. Michael, go ahead.
@rectheregimeYeah, I mean... There's a lot of things that I could say. I mean, there's a lot of claims made, so I can't speak to all of what Oliver's been saying. But what I'd like to do is go back to sort of the beginning of what was talked about. And that was the idea that there was no way to reconcile the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament, that these were irreconcilable.
@rectheregimeAnd I remember how I... I was first introduced to this idea. First of all, I was a seminarian in high school. I went to a Catholic seminary at 14 years old. So I was exposed to that. And then I remember in seminary thinking, we did readings from the Old Testament and New Testament every morning, not just at Mass, but in a morning prayer as well, and then a night prayer.
@rectheregimeAnd I remember And I think I also remember joking with my fellow seminarians that this God of the Old Testament is sure not the same, doesn't seem to be the same God of the New Testament by any stretch. It seems like he's a maniac. And I remember us referring to the genocidal character of the Israelites. and uh you know how they were always talking about kill help us lord kill our enemies slay them all you know things like this i remember this as a seminarian and then i uh i left the seminary i i remember seeing a movie uh it was a cult classic in the 1970s early 70s called the ruling class with peter o'toole and uh he he was about this aristocratic english guy who played by o'toole
@rectheregimewho thought he was Jesus because he was paranoid schizophrenic. And then they tortured him so much that he died, so to speak, metaphorically, and then he came and turned into the god of wrath, the god of the Old Testament. And it was very, very great dramatization of this issue of these two irreconcilable gods, Yahweh,
@rectheregimeand the Father that Jesus refers to in the Lord's Prayer. I mean, a lot of what Oliver says sounds very interesting. I mean, some of it's obviously we're far afield of Orthodox Christianity. I mean, you know, and I'm not going to get into the theology too much, but I would just say that underlying this problem of these two dueling gods is a bigger problem that
@rectheregimeis also brought up by all of this, and that is the problem of evil, which has never been easily explained. Why does there exist evil in the world? And the problem of evil brought about a whole different philosophy, theodicy, and the whole purpose of this was to explain why there was evil in the world. Evil, not just Wickedness, but bad things happen, even to good people and all that.
@rectheregimeSo that I think is a more fundamental problem, and it really ties into the problem of these two irreconcilable gods, not just that one doesn't preach mercy, does not.
@rectheregimevalue mercy or love of one's neighbor or even love of one's enemy, as Jesus preached, but rather to genocide them in most cases, including their women, children, and animals. So anyway.
Speaker 2As a Jew, I would like to respond to this. Wait a minute, wait.
@rectheregimeI've got a serious contender for the microphone. Give me a second. I'm not done. So, but I wanted to say that the more fundamental problem in this, I think this more fundamental problem of evil is taken up. This is how I got exposed to this was through the poem, The Tiger by William Blake. If you want to look at that poem, it's the best poem to describe the problem of evil that has ever been written.
@rectheregimeSo,
@rectheregimeAnd, you know, it's not reconciled in the poem. But anyway, these are the things that come to my mind in this kind of discussion. I don't want to get into theological disputes, but I would differ, but I won't get into it.
Speaker 2Can I please now, just in brief, you know, we have about 10 minutes anyway. You can wait your turn, bro. Wait your turn. I raise my hand before you, COG.
@joann_marieNo, you weren't here.
Ian MalcolmSo here's the thing. Every single time you come in, you say, I only have a few minutes, so I want to cut the line. Now, sometimes I will permit that, but there's been lots of people waiting for a long period of time. So right now I'm going to say, if you only have 10 minutes and it's going to take 15, then you're welcome to leave.
Ian MalcolmThis is not a supremacist conversation. You do not get priority. You are going to wait patiently, just like all these other people have. That being said, Joanne, do you know who would have been next?
@joann_marieYeah, it's... Hold on, it's Major...
@oliverjanichI want to add one thing because I forgot. What's very important that in the Old Testament, even if you don't say... I mean, they slaughter children, but even if you discard that, you have to sacrifice an animal. And this is exactly what Satanists and how are they called, the dark magicians, do. They... They sacrifice animals.
@oliverjanichAnimals are also God's creation. Why would you sacrifice animals? And that's what modern, how are they called, Satanists do. They sacrifice. And there's even one star who talked about that. I think, was it the rapper who said he sacrificed a bird or something? So the modern Satanists sacrifice also animals and let them know this.
@oliverjanichI just wanted to add that.
Speaker 2You see, I could explain all of that, Ian.
@joann_marieYou can wait your turn and then we'll go to you.
@theleaderofusaDude, I love how Yitz comes in and he's like, you know, I'm a Jew, guys, so I just get to cut the line.
@joann_marieThe microphone was promised to me 3,000 years ago, guys. Okay, Yitz, wait your turn. You've been waiting 3,000 years already, so keep waiting. All right. MajorMarcionite.
Ian MalcolmJoAnn, I just want to give him credit just because he does cut the line and wanted to just jump in. But then we're like, no, no, no, we're going to be patient. He's like, OK. And then it gets into the line and he's respectful. So it's lots of love and appreciation for that.
@marcionite144adYeah, I would love to put some of these discrepancies to bed once and for all. Christianity, as it was founded, is the utter antithesis of Judaism. Jesus spoke of an entirely different God. When he was speaking to the Jews, he said to them, if you had known me, you would have known my Father. The reason he was saying this, he was saying basically, the reason you'll recognize me as your Messiah is because my God's not your God.
@marcionite144adNow, when Christianity was founded, it was founded by Paul. The original gospel was Paul's gospel. Paul traveled all around the Levant, all throughout Europe, founding all the original Christian churches. And all the money that Paul had collected throughout his travels, The church in Jerusalem, the very first bishop was Marcus.
@marcionite144adNow, at the time, this was after the fall of the second temple, this church was founded. It was illegal to hold anything Jewish-based. If you were caught with a Jewish scroll, any type of religious scripture, or if you were even a Jew and you were caught in Jerusalem, you were put to death on the spot. No trial, no jury.
@marcionite144adYou were just speared and dead. Now, And Christianity as it was founded, you know, because, you know, the reason it was able to exist within Jerusalem is because it was anti-Jewish. It was, you know, it acknowledged an entirely different God, you know, Jesus, you know, the God of Jesus was, you know, revealed only through Jesus.
@marcionite144adThat's why they say, you know, the only way to the Father is through Jesus. Now this money that Paul had collected, you know, that was, you know, deposited in this church, this money was given to Marcion. All of these are the two closest people to Jesus that we have in Scripture.
@marcionite144adAnd they chose Marcion to be the representative. Now, what Marcion did is he took Paul's original gospel, you know, they call it, you know, Marcion's gospel, and said Marcion chose this and that. Marcion didn't pick and choose anything. He simply took... Paul's Gospel and Paul's Original Epistles and put them into a single book and called it the New Testament.
@marcionite144adNow that book, it grew like wildfire because this was after the fall of the Second Temple and there was already an anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish slant within Rome. People were not big fans of the Jews. And Hadrian the Emperor, he was extremely angry at the fact of how many men and how much treasure was wasted trying to basically put down the revolt.
@marcionite144adWell, for the first, 250, 300 years of Christianity's existence, the very terms, Christian, Canon, New Testament, gospel, these were terms that were used exclusively in reference to followers of Marcion and the original gospel. Paul says, if anybody should deliver you a gospel other than the one I preach, they should be cursed by God.
@marcionite144adWell, if you notice, Paul's gospel is not in the modern Bible. And this happened because these money changers, the Jews, they couldn't kill all the Christians. So what they did is they basically, they used their craftiness and their means of finance and compromised basically the government of Rome. People don't realize this, but all of Rome's treasury was basically controlled by the Judaizers.
@marcionite144adAll of Rome's treasury was held in temples to Saturn. Saturn is the God of the Jews, and that's why their holiest day is Saturn's day. Yitz, why don't you look up...
Ian MalcolmYou can use Grok. Why don't you look up the meaning of that word and see if he's incorrect, and we'll come back to that at the end. And if Major's correct, then we're going to make you eat your words and just acknowledge that he was correct and you were wrong yet. So please go and look that up.
@marcionite144adGo for it, Major. Thank you. So these money changers, they were so upset and bent over by the fact that there's a new religion that identified their god as Satan. Saturn and Satan is just like ancient synonyms for one another. They were so upset at the fact that this new religion was basically spreading like wildfire, that they used their means of craftiness, of deviance, in order to compromise the government of Rome.
@marcionite144adThat's why Marcion was there, was to make sure that the gospel was respected and wasn't perverted by the Judaizers. Paul said, beware the Judaizers. What they did is they compromised the government of Rome. Under Emperor Diocletian, it was like 302 A.D., almost 200 years after Christianity had been in Rome. And after a 200-year-long propaganda campaign by Jewish historians like Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, that basically wrote entire volumes against Marcion, trying to discredit him.
@marcionite144adDespite all that, it was still the largest... They eventually, you know, convinced Emperor Diocletian to outlaw
@marcionite144adMarcionism. When you see all the Christians being fed to lions in the Colosseum, these were Marcionite Christians. And so they basically, the government was, I guess, outlawed Marcionite Christianity around 302 AD, and they went around and they burned all the basically Marcionite Bibles. They had a word for the people that turned over their Bibles to the government.
@marcionite144adThey called them traditors, basically traitors. And it was after 302 A.D. that they finally held the Council of Nicaea under Emperor Constantine, where they chose 66 books. They held this council to determine what was going to go into the new Christian Bible. And they chose 66 books. That number is very popular with the Jews.
@marcionite144adIf you notice, that symbol that they use is a Saturn symbol. It perfectly fits within the sacred geometry on Saturn. And each one of the angles on those triangles are 60 degrees. So it's 666666 when you're looking at that symbol. It's the mark of the beast right there in your face. They chose 66 books to go into the second Bible.
@marcionite144adAnd at this council, Marcionite bishops were barred from entry. So Marcionism and true Christianity was not even allowed to be represented at this meeting. It was after that, 302 AD, that basically Catholicism came to be, where they basically came up with the whole virgin birth narrative. They came up with a bunch of basically Judaized deceptions in order to deceive Christians that the God of the money changers was all of a sudden their God, but he chose them type deal.
@marcionite144adThat's the big deception is they have to, they wanna make the entire world worship their God and them as a chosen people of that God so that they can ultimately achieve their one world religion, one world government. In the original Bible, you know, Jesus ascended to Earth at age 30, fully formed. And, you know, it even speaks of the eclipse, a solar eclipse that took part on that day.
@marcionite144adAnd the date that was mentioned in the original Bible, NASA has gone back and confirmed that an eclipse did actually occur on that day. So, I mean, it's even science proves that, you know, Jesus ascended on the day that's named in the very first Bible. The Q document, for instance, that's a page out of the Marcionite Bible.
@marcionite144adThe oldest records, the oldest inscriptions, Christian inscriptions that we have, Jesus the Good are Marcionite inscriptions. The Vatican itself was built atop a Marcionite church, which you can still visit today down in the basement. They basically, they Judaized every single aspect of Paul's original gospel. And then they renamed it to Luke in order to basically write Marcion and Paul out of their own gospel after Judaizing all the verses in it.
@marcionite144adI have an excellent link I can post in the blue pill that shows all of Paul's original epistles and the way they appear in the modern Bible. And you can see in every instance how they've Judaized it in order to basically deceive Christians into worshiping their God. In the original Bible, it said that Jesus came to destroy the law.
@marcionite144adIn the modern Bible, it says that Jesus came to fulfill the law. So, I mean, you can see basically, they've done a number on Christianity to the point that we now have what's called Christian Zionism, which is basically plaguing this country and convincing us to basically serve the very people whose end goal is the destruction and enslavement of all of Christendom.
@marcionite144adIt's a satanic perversion that has been highly successful. And if I can have anything to do with it, I would like to bring it into it and turn all of Christendom back towards the one true God of heaven, the one true God of Jesus, and finally identify these satanic Yahweh worshipers for what they are. And it went on past there.
@marcionite144adEven past the Council of Nicaea, there's evidence, there's a lot of research that proves that Islam was a creation of the Vatican, that they created Islam in order to basically use Islam as their sword to destroy and eradicate all of the Marcionite Christians that had spread out into Turkey and the deserts of Arabia. If you look at Islam, it's...
@marcionite144adThank you for joining us.
@marcionite144adSt. Augustine Mission. And she was sent out into the deserts of Arabia in order to basically recruit a young charismatic man in order to deliver this, you know, the creation to his people as if it's the word of God in order to deceive them into becoming, you know, Noahides of the money changers of Rome. So, you know, all of these religions that we see today, whether we're speaking about Mormonism or Catholicism or all, I mean, every single one of them, the underlying goal of it is to basically deceive Christians into worshiping the God of the Jews and the Jews as his chosen people.
@marcionite144adAnd that's... That's the means by which they're gonna achieve their one world government is once they've made the entire world Noahides. It's basically, they're all what's called Noahide compliant religions because they worship this genocidal God of the Jews. Now, if you know Jesus and you know the true spirit of Jesus, you know that the words of Yahweh could never have been his God.
@marcionite144adI mean, in some of the parts of the Torah, he says, happy is the one who seizes the children and bashes their heads against the rocks. You know, Yahweh commands the Jews to go out and kill every single man, woman, and child in a village or city if there's even a single man there that worships a different God. You know, all throughout the Old Testament, you know, he speaks of genocidal acts.
@marcionite144adHe condones rape and slavery. I mean, if you know the spirit of Jesus, No, this is not his God. So, I mean, it's so plain for you to see, you know, this war that's taken place on Christianity and how they've waged it once you start, you know, delving into the Marcionite Bible and you realize the treachery that's taken place and how vast and successful it's become.
@marcionite144adWhat else can I say? Even in the modern Bible, they managed to Judaize massive portions of it, but there's still so much of its original form that's still there that they couldn't get rid of. When Jesus is talking to the Jews in the desert and they say, our father Noah gave us true manna from heaven. And Jesus says to him, surely, no, it's Moses.
@marcionite144adSurely Moses didn't give you true manna from heaven, but my father, on the other hand, does give you true manna from heaven. So all throughout even the modern Bible, Jesus makes clear delineations between his father, the father that Jesus revealed, the true God of heaven, true God of the spiritual world, It makes clear delineations with him and this God of the material world, the God of the Jews who promises physical rewards, who promises land and wealth.
@marcionite144adThe very deal that Satan tried to make with Jesus on top of the mountain where he took Jesus on the mountaintop and he showed him all the kingdoms of the world and he says, if you just bow down and worship me. I'll give you all of this and all this wealth. Well, that deal that, you know, Jesus, when Jesus told Satan to beat feet, that very deal that he tried to make, that the devil tried to make with Jesus is the very deal that Yahweh makes with the tribe of Jacob in the Old Testament where he says, you know, I will give you all the kingdoms of the world along with all their material wealth.
@marcionite144adSo, I mean, you know, Jesus, you know, he had to speak in parables. He couldn't come right out and tell the Jews, you know, your God is Satan. But, you know, that's why he, you know, he spoke in parables because, you know, they would have probably killed him a lot sooner if he was just like, hey, their God is Satan. You know, he had to speak in parables in order to, you know, to get them to understand that, hey, you're worshiping, you know, a God of a material world.
@marcionite144adYou're worshiping materialism. You know, there's things that are more important in this life other than materialism. You know, spiritual wealth is so much more valuable. And it brings us together as a people when you identify with that which is of the spirit and that which brings us together on a spiritual level. So I'm on the landmark plane there, but basically you get my drift that there's basically been a war, a 2,000 year battle against Christendom from the very day that Jesus stepped foot on earth.
@marcionite144adThese people have been at war against him and his ministry. Even the gospel of Judas that's been recently uncovered, it shows that, and Judas talks about how Jesus would make fun of even many of his own apostles. because they refused to identify the fact that Jesus was speaking of an entirely different God. So I'll leave it there.
@marcionite144adIf you'll have any questions, I'd love to answer them.
Ian MalcolmWell, hang on real quick, one little thing, and I see Yitz wants to jump in the fray. So Major, just to make sure, the contention that Yitz was having there was around Saturn, Saturday, and the Sabbath. Is that right? Yes, that's the way I heard it. Yeah, yeah. This is straight off of Grok, because I'm guessing that you did not do the homework that I asked you to, which is fine.
Ian MalcolmBut I'm not going to forget. So just to call this out, it says that Saturday does come from the Old English, literally the day of Saturn. It's a partial loan translation of Latin itself based on the Greek. It says the Romans named the days of the week after the sun, the moon, the five visible planets. It then goes in to say that Sabbath comes from the Hebrew word Shabbath.
Ian MalcolmOriginally refers to the Jewish day of rest, which is Friday evening to Saturday evening. Entered English via the Greek Sabbath. Historical link. Then goes in to say in Hebrew, the planet Saturn later received the name Shabbatai, derived from Shabbat, essentially the Sabbath, hence Saturn. So if I'm reading this right,
Ian MalcolmI'm going on a long vacation.
Speaker 2I'll be back at the end of the month.
@marcionite144adDo your research, bud. You're going to need it. You're going to need it. Because if you look at the history, Saturn is the oldest god in eschatology. Basically, it's been worshipped for thousands of years. It's like Saturn was like these. No, that's who El is. El, Yahweh, Saturn, they're all basically synonyms for the same god.
@marcionite144adHe's always been the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon. So please, yeah, do your research, bud.
Speaker 2You're good. No, no. I'm aware that it was the Canaanite We're so thankful that you interrupted so that way we can plan out for a month from now and you can let us know. Don't worry, debate me in a month. We'll be right here waiting on you by the way, Yitz.
@theleaderofusaYes, really quickly.
Ian MalcolmIt seems like you want to debate, Major. Your debate is on the accuracy of that one statement that you were just proven wrong on or something else?
Speaker 2No, no. I wasn't. I don't think I was proven wrong. But it will be a debate on his entire conception.
@marcionite144adI think his exact words was that Saturn is not the current god of the Jews. I'd love to debate you on that.
Speaker 2His idea of Marcion Christianity, when every single passage, every single quote and teaching Jesus had, came straight from the Tanakh. If you follow the four Gospels, everything is directly from our own Tanakh. And so I would be glad to debate a monitor. Perhaps I could do it at some point, fit it in during the vacation, if I can fit it in.
Speaker 2I'm glad he's up for it.
Ian MalcolmYes, we will make, so ladies and gentlemen, so that we don't derail the conversation, if Major is up for that, we will have the fireworks and I will make a poster that will feature a boxing-like little avatar and yes, I'll need some kind of reference point for you because Major, I can use the very cool... Profile picture that he has.
Speaker 2Well, nothing that would disrespect it, but you could just use, we'll figure something out, maybe a keeper.
Ian MalcolmJust because you said so, I might have to, I apologize.
@theleaderofusaYitz, what day will that be? Because I'm texting my boss right now, and I'm going to say, hey, I got work, I got to take that day off, man. I got Jews wanting to come in and debate, folks, and I got to be here.
Speaker 2It would be after the 31st, so next month is probably the next time I'll be able to do it. It's going to be a long vacation, about 10 or 11 days. But when I get back...
Ian MalcolmYes, you're going to be off of X for 11 or 12 days? That's a long time. We will miss you.
Speaker 2Yes, aside from occasional reposts, news from Israel, which I always keep up on, I don't think I'll be able to have time for spaces.
@theleaderofusaAre you scoping out a new house in Palestine somewhere?
Speaker 2No, not yet, but in Israel, perhaps sometime. Now, I did want to just say one last thing I did want to say real quick, because I do have to go, as I said. I wanted to say that the William Blake you mentioned, Michael, the poet about suffering and evil in the world. Was that correct?
@rectheregimeThe tiger. Look at the poem. It's called The Tiger by William Blake. You could argue that it's about the problem of evil in the world. The problem of evil, which is a theological problem in Christianity. I don't know if you have this problem in... Thank you for the mic, by the way. I just want to briefly, respectfully push back and say that there is a solution to the problem of evil.
Speaker 2First off, in Judaism, in my tradition,
Speaker 2Gilgul HaNasamot, so there is reincarnation, which does exist. But also I would say that according to my tradition, this world, like what the Hindus say, is in some ways not the real world. When people have near-death experiences and come back, they feel more alive over there than they do over here. So in some ways you could make the argument that this world is a simulation, perhaps in the mind of God, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2But it is a simulation that God is in charge of, and it's meant for a test. It's meant to grow and learn. But so the suffering and pain isn't real, in effect. It's just an illusion. You could really make a case for that. So I think that's a good solution.
@theleaderofusaAll right. When you go out there, please bring an umbrella because it might be raining and it gets a little dangerous where you're at. Hello? I can't hear anyone.
Speaker 2Unfortunately, I can't hear.
Ian MalcolmI've got an unfortunate proposition for you. In order to set up the group chat with you and Major, I'll just return to listening.
Speaker 2Michael, I would appreciate your response. Otherwise, I would just look at it.
Ian MalcolmI was going to tell him he has to follow me if I'm going to be able to set up a group chat to stand up, but that's pretty dangerous.
@rectheregimeI just want to say that for the first time in my life in encountering Yitz, he has humanized himself in this room tonight, I think. I feel that he has, and what he said was actually something I could relate to, frankly.
Ian MalcolmDr. Rectenwald, I have to say... Well, I apologize. I can't hear anyone.
@joann_marieI have to go anyway. Thank you for the mic.
Speaker 2I will just listen to Michael's response in the recording later on. Thank you so much. Okay, thank you.
@joann_marieThank you, Jens. Okay. Sorry, Ian.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no. I don't think it was working properly, but Dr. Rectenwald, I have to say, he can gaslight like the best of them, but... But he does something that almost none of his contemporaries do, which is when pressed into a corner logically, he will acknowledge even the things that he doesn't want to, which I have to appreciate.
Ian MalcolmAnd he's usually polite and respectful, despite the fact that I think his positions are insane. And so I give him credit. And I always enjoy when he comes in, even when he gaslights the panel. And I do think it's very good that we have his perspective because, again, of all of them, them being the supremacists, He's not just the most tolerable.
Ian MalcolmI find him rather enjoyable at times and in certain doses. But Major, I absolutely loved everything that you contributed. It's very outside the realm of my areas of familiarity. And I'm going to send a message with you and JoAnn so we can hopefully set that up with Jets if we can get that.
@marcionite144adI highly look forward to that date. That's going to be exciting. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
@oliverjanichI want to ask one question. Is there one book or one long article where I can look that all up? Because it was super interesting. I didn't know that. The whole Marcion story. I didn't know that. Is there one thing?
@marcionite144adYeah, I didn't know about a lot of this myself. This has been a slow process. I've slowly grabbed little bits here, little bits there. I upload most of it to my Marcionite Christian Church channel on the Marcionite144AD channel on Telegram. I can drop a link in the blue pill. You can also go to my header. There's the header, the pin video at the top.
@marcionite144adI try and put as much Marcionite material as I can in there. There's even a source list that I've posted there. There's an excellent Spotify series that's free to listen to about Marcy and the history of the first Christian church that I highly, highly recommend. I listen to it religiously throughout the day.
@marcionite144adWhat else could I turn you on to? There's a bunch of links. I have a chat side of my Telegram church group where there's a couple solid dudes in there that are hardcore Marcionites, and they have given me so much material. In fact, one of them just rewrote Marcion's antithesis. So I have that, but the problem is it's in PDF form, and I don't know how to upload that to Twitter, to X.
@marcionite144adBut I do have some really insightful links like the one I was talking about that shows all the original letters of Paul and what has been presented in this Jewish-created modern Bible, basically Jewish propaganda manual. And it shows word for word how they've basically distorted and inverted every single one of Paul's sayings in order to drag Christians back into the law.
@marcionite144adVery, very insightful link. What else can I turn you on to?
@oliverjanichI will also write to you. I just followed you.
@marcionite144adYes, please. Yeah, please reach out to me. I'll send you a source list. It'll blow your mind. Thank you so much, brother.
@theleaderofusaWould you be able to post that on the Purple Pill for any curious parties such as myself?
@marcionite144adYes, yeah. I'll search out that source list real quick. I'll drop it in the Blue Pill. Purple Pill.
Ian MalcolmHey, and Major, one other final question before you head out, if you do have to go. Otherwise, please stay up. No, no, I'll stick around. It's very interesting. One quick question for you. I heard, I think it was Arthur Kwan Lee, who the first person that I heard suggest that Jesus Christ and turn the other cheek is a, you can interpret it as a person of meekness who just kind of rolls over, or you can interpret it as somebody that's so courageous and strong that you slap them on one side and they just turn and look right back at you kind of indifferent to it, right?
Ian MalcolmAlmost like a You know, I don't want to say a test me again kind of thing, but just being able to continue on in spite of adversity. Right. And so you take that with some of the other quotes like sell your shield or I'm sorry, sell your cloak and buy a sword and a shield. And it gives a very different perspective on who this person would have been and perhaps his willingness to stand up to from an adversarial stance evil.
Ian MalcolmRight. And so I'm curious in your worldview. About Christ as, I suppose, either the shepherd, the warrior, a combination of the two, etc.
@marcionite144adWell, as I understand it, you know, tolerance was not one of Jesus's strong points. You know, he flips tables. He whips the money changers. You know, it's the official stance of the Marcionite Church that if you and your family are under attack, it's your responsibility to defend you and your family and your church. So as far as I understand it, that turn the other cheek thing, it could be twisted by you know who's in order to try and breed some form of apathy within the community that would basically make them susceptible to enslavement.
@marcionite144adAnd I don't necessarily promote that side. I think that, you know, it's our responsibility as Christians, you know, not just to try and promote the concepts of love and, you know, appreciation for that which is of the spiritual, but also to, you know, be able to recognize that which is demonic and that which is nefarious.
@marcionite144adAnd, you know, if you wanna exorcise a demon, you have to be able to call out that demon by name. And so I think it's our responsibility to identify with that which is evil in our world, name it and not necessarily attack it, but definitely expose it so that other people know to at least avoid it. Bare minimum, if it comes at you, defend yourself by all means.
@oliverjanichI have another interpretation of that. I don't remember correctly, but it's in my book. It's like the slaves were hit on that cheek and the other cheek stands for that you are a free man. I don't remember everything about it, but that's why he says the other cheek. I'm not a slave. You know, I'm a free man. That's another interpretation.
@marcionite144adIt's interesting. Very interesting.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much, Oliver and Major. My pleasure. And Tom, welcome. Sorry.
Speaker 3Yeah, hi. I was going to speak about, I'm not a Marcionite, but I was just going to speak about a couple of things Oliver mentioned. You know, I understand no one, probably no one in this panel would ever want or desire, except maybe Oliver, but for Jesus to actually be a Jew. I mean, I understand that. I guess I just, if you look at some of the ones that were called Jews or Sanhedrin or whatever that, you know, and I cannot imagine a Jew calling an Aryan, what Oliver mentioned, an Aryan Gentile.
Speaker 3I can't imagine Someone in the Sanhedrin calling Jesus rabbi. Hey, you are a great teacher, rabbi, and this and that. I can't imagine them even calling him a rabbi. Or when he walks up to... That's a little baffling to me. But I guess the other thing I was wondering about... Well, I won't talk about the Marcy and stuff.
Speaker 3That's another thing, but I will say that I do realize that Marcy, you know, they totally wiped out the Old Testament and they, you know, they modified Luke and you mentioned, I know Major mentioned, you know, Paul, and yet we take 10 of, about 10 of Paul's letters I'll stop. It's just a bit of confusion there because one thing about Luke is he doesn't mention Adam per se.
Speaker 3But he does offer a genealogy that goes up through what some people would perceive as Jews, calling not Adam, per se, but in Luke 3. I'm not a seminarian, as Michael mentioned, but my dad was, so I had to delve into a lot of that kind of stuff. But it's like, he does mention The Son of God in Luke 3.38. And Luke is one of the only Gospels that I know Marcion was big on.
Speaker 3I know he was excommunicated. I'm kind of a Tertullian, Irenaeus kind of guy myself just because maybe that's at fault, but that's what I've believed over the years because and Marcion somewhat disappeared. I understand that, but I just think that it's hard to... I personally would love Jesus to just be a gentile, Aryan gentile.
Speaker 3That sounds great. That sounds excellent in today's... You know, we've heard Ian mention fake Jew and other things like that. What's fake, what's real, and all of this other stuff. And it gets a bit more confusing in these modern times because of, you know, Satan, Yahoo, and oh, I'm sorry, I'm not supposed to say that, but the dot, dot, dots.
Speaker 3You can say anything. The dot, dot, dots, as we mentioned.
@joann_marieThe Jews? You can say it.
Speaker 3But I mean, you know, it's...
Speaker 3And I'm not saying I have the answers to all of this, and I'm searching and seeking, but I have to believe that after Marcion, they quickly tried to canonize Scripture. And they did that for a reason, I believe. And I guess I'm just interested to see what Major says about that, because I...
Speaker 3I think we can delve into stuff that's interesting now. You know, Oliver mentioned the Book of Thomas as being the most accurate and this and that. And, you know, a lot of what the Book of Thomas says is, you know, a lot of it's right out of the New Testament. I mean, there's a few things that they maybe
Speaker 3was not canonized or whatever, but it's just line by line different sayings that they said Christ gave as far as instructions. I think that we can take this out and take this out and do this and wipe out the whole Old Testament. I know Michael was talking about evil. And there's two different views about that. I mean, there's the duality, you know, but I don't believe if we go by strictly what Marcion, the Marcion religion faith is saying, then we're saying that there is a lesser deity that created and that there is a, because I know quite a bit about the Marcion, I was very interested in all of that.
Speaker 3And I think that, you know, so we modify Luke, we take this out, we do this, we do all of that. Well, I mean, that's no different than what, you know, if Arrhenius, if we believe John was a disciple and we believe Arrhenius was one of his disciples, maybe, you know, who would we believe? You know, I guess I just have to try to hold on to
Speaker 3Some kind of standard here as far as we go back and we look at people that were excommunicated and all of this stuff and we look at as to why. And I don't believe it was necessarily Rome that excommunicated him. I think that, you know, I think the early church fathers, founders, fathers, whatever you want to call them, I think that they had some say-so.
Speaker 3which might be justifiable. And I'll just stop right there. I'm rambling, but I do think that we all, I do like that Oliver mentioned, I think, I think, I think. Well, I mean, you know, so we're being theoretical. We're being, we're searching and we can write books about it. But I think, I think, I think. I mean, we all have thoughts about this, but I really,
Speaker 3Question the accuracy about just thoughts. And I'll end there. Thank you.
@joann_marieCool. Thanks, Todd. Oliver, do you want to add anything? I'd love to respond. Okay.
@marcionite144adYeah, it's real simple, brother. The gospel writer John, for instance, he wasn't an actual apostle. You do realize this. He was a gospel writer. Along with Matthew and Mark, these are all gospel writers. These weren't the actual apostles that wrote this. These were gospel writers that were writing for the money changers of Rome.
@marcionite144adBut luckily, John at least admits that he wrote his gospel. He composed his gospel with assistance from Marcion. Before Marcion, before the original gospel, there was only one gospel. This is Paul's gospel. It's not Marcion's gospel. It's considered the Marcionite gospel because it was Marcion that... Paul's original gospel as delivered to him directly from Jesus.
@marcionite144adSo, I mean, if you really wanna believe what the Jews say about Jesus rather than what those that lived with him and knew him best, I mean, you're more than free to do that, brother. But I mean, if you wanna get to know Jesus, you wanna get to know his true father, all you need to do is look at the original gospel. It's like the, what is it, the grapevine game.
@marcionite144adBy the time you get around the circle, the message is completely garbled. You can go to this guy that talked to this guy that talked to that guy, or you can go to the guys that actually talked to Jesus. It's real simple. If your book has a Torah attached to the back of it, it's not a Christian Bible. It's a Jewish propaganda manual that's been created in order to deceive you into worshiping the very God that Jesus identified as the devil.
@marcionite144adAnd that's ultimately the devil's goal is to convince the entire world to worship him as God and convince them to not only worship him, but also his chosen tribe of genocidal maniacs.
Speaker 3So you believe, you actually believe that the Old Testament God, little g, is a lesser deity that created, but that's it?
@marcionite144adYeah, as far as I understand, he's supposed to...
Speaker 3So you believe that it's another deity?
@marcionite144adHe's entirely another deity. I mean, if you know Jesus, you know his spirit, you can look at his words and say, that's not the God of Jesus. I mean, it's very clear. He speaks of smashing children's heads against the rocks. He condones rape, incest, mass murder, genocide. I mean, that's not the God of Jesus, brother.
Speaker 3So it is. It's not make-believe then. It's basically another deity that created.
@marcionite144adYes, I mean, even in the modern Bible, Jesus identifies Satan as the god of this world.
Speaker 3And so when Jesus... So you're saying that... Okay, all right. So we're talking about multiple... It is somewhat like Thor, as Oliver mentioned. It's a multiple deity situation.
@marcionite144adWell, there's God and then there's Satan. There's the demiurge. It's his goal to tempt you towards materialism and to trap your soul on this planet so that you can stay in prison within his materialistic freaking hell.
Speaker 3No, no, I'm not talking about Satan. Satan's a whole different world. But you're mentioning a deity that created.
@marcionite144adYeah, he's the creator God. That's Satan.
Speaker 3And then there's Jesus' God, the Father.
@marcionite144adWho's the god of the spiritual world that exists beyond the physical realm, yes.
Speaker 3Okay, okay. So that, so, okay. So, yeah, I just totally don't believe that. So that's fine.
Speaker 4And that's nothing Jewish about it.
@marcionite144adThat's what the Jews want for you, brother. That's what they want for you. That's a whole different realm of multiple deities. That's the whole reason they did it.
Speaker 3That's even Greek. I mean, that's a whole lot of things.
@marcionite144adWell, that's the way it was written in Greek, so...
Speaker 3No, no, I understand what you're saying, but so you're saying John, John, who himself said the one whom Jesus loved. He was just a gospel writer. He was not one of the 12.
@marcionite144adNone of those gospels were created before 300 A.D. They were all written way beyond 200 years past the original gospel that was floating around for 200 years before the gospel writers, these basically agents of Rome, started writing in order to Judaize the original gospel and try to lure Christians away from the true one gospel that was delivered to Paul directly from Jesus.
Speaker 3So Paul in his 10 letters,
Speaker 3Paul was not a Jew.
@marcionite144adPaul was. He was a Pharisee. He was a Jew, but he recognized how evil his people were. And Jesus, you know, luckily, you know, I guess, you know, saw the goodness heart and reached out to him, you know, and made himself known to him and delivered to Paul the original gospel narrative.
Speaker 3So in Paul's letters, why would he go always state that he went to the Jews first? Why would he even do that if they were...
@marcionite144adWhich Paul's letters are you reading? Are you reading the originals? Are you reading that one that's in the Jewish propaganda manual? Because there's two different Pauls that we're talking about here. You know, there's the original Paul... And then there's the Paul that the Jews created in the modern Bible. They're two different people.
@marcionite144adYou haven't read the Bible until you've read the original is what I'm telling you. You probably never actually read the Bible.
Speaker 3That's what I'm telling you.
@marcionite144adI've read the Bible.
Speaker 3I've read the Bible. I've read Apocrypha. I've read Marcionite.
@marcionite144adYou've read the Marcionite Bible.
Speaker 3I've read... No, I haven't read the Marcionite Bible.
@marcionite144adWell, then you haven't read the Bible. That's what I'm telling you. You've read a Jewish propaganda manual.
Speaker 3I have no desire to read a modified Luke and ten letters of Paul.
@marcionite144adYou've read the modified Luke. I'm telling you to read the original.
Speaker 3It's a modified Luke.
@marcionite144adYou're reading the modified Bible now, the modified Luke now. It's not Luke.
@theleaderofusaWhat I'm understanding is the Marcionite Bible was before the one that we have now, the King James Version, even, if you will. Yes, it was the original.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, I understand the translations, but you could argue that there has to, so why would Arrhenius go against Marcion and several other of the early church?
@marcionite144adBecause he's a Jew. Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Irenaeus, all Jews. They're all Jewish historians that wrote against the original Christians because they wanted to Judaize the Christian movement. They're all Jewish. They're all Jewish historians. If you want to believe what the Jews say about Jesus, you go ahead. But I'd like to remind you that they killed him because they didn't want him to speak.
Speaker 3Why did the Jews, why did they despise the fact that it said King of the Jews on, not in Luke? Why did they say that they despised it saying King of the Jews on the crucifixion cross? Why would they say that?
@theleaderofusaSo this almost ties back to King Herod. Who had the title King of the Jews?
@rectheregimeFour months instead of 40 days.
@theleaderofusaSo King Herod had the title King of the Jews. That's what Rome gave him, and he loved that title. And King Herod heard that the true King of the Jews was to be born, a.k.a. baby Jesus. And so King Herod, that's why he had the massacre of the innocents. He killed all the babies because he didn't want his throne to be taken by a righteous authority.
@theleaderofusaHe knew... Malik Herod, my second in command.
@marcionite144adSo they called him. They said that he was claiming to be the king of the Jews in order to convince Rome that he needed to be killed. That was part of their angle.
@theleaderofusaSure, sure. Just like they try to convince us that the enemy is not them today. They try to say, oh, these are all your enemies, but not the Jews. Same thing they were doing back then. Oh, look, here's your enemy. Totally not us. We're totally not plotting and deceiving anything.
@marcionite144adExactly. Nothing's changed.
@theleaderofusaDid we want to get to the next speaker? Exactly.
@joann_marieYeah, let's go to the next hand.
@theleaderofusaI think it's DLG, am I right?
@joann_marieYes, but before we go back to Lori, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it. And follow Ian and Chris and Dr. Michael and Oliver and Lori and everybody on the panel. And thank you so much for being here. All right, go for it, Lori.
Speaker 1Hi, just real quick. Just amplifying something you picked on, it's a small point, not what the last two speakers spoke about, but that Christopher made that video that really had a high impact for me. I can't believe he's the co-host. I mean, like, oh, my God. And I just want to thank for that and bring up the point that people in spaces and make videos and all that and get the word out.
Speaker 1It can be like a pebble in a pond and it has a big ripple down the line. I just want to just thank Christopher for that video because it did have a lot of impact on me. And one other tiny point on a different topic, just on the Hayden, and I'm going to mispronounce the last name, but Panettiere, just when she was working on shows, I think there was, and I don't know if some people circumvented the requirements, but there were a lot of requirements to get vaccinated for not just technical crew and all that.
Speaker 1I know that in New York, if you were a big celebrity, you could do a concert and all that. He gave a waiver, Cuomo, whatever. But she might have been like encouraged or like, you know, man, I don't know her level of stardom, but to take the vaccine. I'm not ruling out the possibility of cult action. You know, there's a lot of weirdness that she brought up in her book, but...
Speaker 1I'm just saying that her brother died suddenly as well, and then she did. I'm just throwing that out there, but thank you for this interesting space, and I'll be quiet now.
@marcionite144adMy brother has COVID. Just got it today.
@theleaderofusaWell, stay strong.
@marcionite144adI'll just take some more oxytocin.
@marcionite144adIt's absolutely cure-all.
Speaker 3I cured my mom's cancer. I just wanted to say thank you guys. I appreciate me being able to have a conversation with Major and some of these other spaces. It's like crazy because you can't, it's not a debate, it's some yelling argument. And I appreciate Major talking to me. And I really appreciate Ian. He takes a lot of flack.
Speaker 3He catches hell. And I love him. He's amazing because I'm surprised he's able to still be on here. But the only thing, I'll just close. I'll shut my mouth. But Major, I do believe that Arrhenius was a Greek bishop. I do not believe he was Jewish. But I'll close with that. I'll stop. I'll stop. All right. Thank you, guys.
@joann_marieThank you so much. Oh, sorry. Go for it, Chris.
@theleaderofusaForgive me, JoAnn. Also, ivermectin. During all that stuff, a lot of my elders were saying ivermectin, and I took that one time and it helped me out with whatever flu I was dealing with. I don't know if I ever had COVID.
Speaker 1Pairs up for the speedy recovery. You should take it regularly.
@marcionite144adIt prevents cancer. I'm demonic possession.
Speaker 5Someone else is the rest of the stuff.
@theleaderofusaAnd CLG News, I appreciate you and your compliment, madam. Thank you so much for having me.
@theleaderofusaWhat I want people to get out from that video is that we can speak our mind and speak what we see to be the truth on these topics. And I know they instill a lot of fear, but I want to be a living testimony and example that God watches over us and everything's gonna be okay. And that nothing bad will happen to you by fighting for righteousness and truth.
@theleaderofusaAnd even if something negative happens to us eventually down the line, I'd rather... I'd rather be gone knowing that I tried my best to fight for the future for the children that depend on us and can't fight for themselves because they can't understand. But yeah, God watches over us. You were created for a purpose. You're not here by chance or by accident.
@theleaderofusaAnd the more we team up and the more we speak up, the more we'll get to the solutions and we'll be able to start turning things around. So thanks again. Keep fighting.
Speaker 1That made me really start to link some things together that I hadn't considered previously. It was just too blatant on the math and all that. So thanks again. That's like amazing. I can't believe you're the co-host and JoAnn goes, he's the co-host. I'm like, what? That video had such an impact. Thank you.
@joann_marieHe is a legend, and thank you, Laurie. It's crazy that you were talking about it, and I was like, yes, it's him! And I was in the back, and I was like, oh, my God, that was awesome! Yeah, no, I love Christopher, so, no, thank you, Laurie.
Ian MalcolmAll right. And with us every Thursday, it's always so humbling to have him with us and love the perspective that he brings to these things and his religious... Thank you.
@joann_marieOkay, Ali, welcome.
@ruhallaahThank you. Thanks, JoAnn. Thanks, Ian. I appreciate you guys, you know, wonderful spaces. I usually listen, don't come up, but there was something that was said just a while ago by Major about Islam. I just wanted one question for him. The thing is, I do believe that most of the, not most, sorry, all of the prophets were sent by same God and they brought the correct message.
@ruhallaahIt was the men who changed the world because of their own, because it sort of disturbed their worldly lives. That's what I believe. But I do believe that, yes, Jews were the masters of deception. They have always been. And they have been behind pretty much anything bad that has happened since they are here. So I even believe that they even tried to manipulate Islam.
@ruhallaahAnd they were kind of like they did create a divide. Thank you very much.
@ruhallaahI just wanted to ask what is the evidence of all the BS he said. I'm happy to do chat GPT on that because there is more evidence that Christianity was manipulated more than anything else. The concept of Thank you.
@marcionite144adYeah, I really, I don't mean this as a slight brother. This is just the research and there's a lot of research that is pointing in this direction. I'll drop it in the blue pill. There's a great like hour and a half video that I just recorded last night. I've been meaning to post it. I was gonna do my own space with it.
@marcionite144adBut from what I'm learning, you know, the Catholic Church of course was created in order to hijack the original Christian movement in Rome and replace its God with the God of the Jews. Well, after Marcion left Rome, after they gave him back his deposit because they didn't want to, All of these people, you know, they didn't want to acknowledge the fact that he was an emissary of the original Church of Jerusalem.
@marcionite144adThey gave him back his deposit. He moved out into Turkey and the gospel spread out into the deserts of Arabia. And so the Catholic Church, you know, they wanted to cut this gospel off at the pass. So they, you know, for hundreds of years before, you know, Muhammad came about, they were pre-priming the Arab world with this notion of a coming Messiah.
@marcionite144adYou know, what I've realized when doing this research is that the movie Dune, What do they call them? The priest class in Dune. Basically, they pre-primed the planet with the idea of a coming messiah. They did the same thing in the deserts of Arabia. Muhammad, his first wife, Khadija, she was a nun. She lived at a St. Augustine... What do they call it where nuns stay at?
@marcionite144adNunnery? I forget the name of it. But she lived... Yeah, a convent, a St. Augustine convent. Well, she was brought out of the convent and sent out into the deserts of Arabia with a massive amount of wealth, and she was tasked with basically discovering a young charismatic man that she could basically convince him to be this messianic figure in order to lure the Arabs into a Noahide-compliant religion that basically the Vatican could control.
@marcionite144adYou know, eventually God grew beyond their control. You know, at one point they declared war on Rome and, you know, went to conquer Europe. But from what I'm learning that, you know, Muhammad was tutored, was actually tutored by, you know, St. Augustine bishops. I'll just drop the video in the blue pill. There's just so much there for me to unpack that it's hard for me to remember it all.
@marcionite144adI've just watched it only like maybe once and a half times now. I want to listen to it like three or four more times just because there's so much information there and it's so insightful. There's actually a, what is it? There's a bishop, what do they call those guys? It's like the Black Pope.
@marcionite144adI can't believe the terms escape in my mind right now. But anyway, he was told the secret while he was working at the Vatican. And he went off and wrote about it. And then they made multiple attempts on his life. He was eventually, I guess, poisoned to death. But he revealed the fact that the Vatican basically created Islam.
@ruhallaahOkay, Major, I appreciate your reply. And I have followed you, so you can DM me if you like. Any kind of evidence, I would be happy to reply to you. But one question on that. If that was the case, if in fact she was, so first of all, there was a lot of Christians who converted, mainly looking at the Prophet , his character, his, because he was known as, because in Arabs, titles were given to people based on their character.
@ruhallaahAnd he was, his title, There were two titles by which people used to call him. It was truthful and trustworthy. These were the two titles of him before he even declared Islam. Right. The other thing. So that's why a lot of people got attracted to him. And there was an example of Salman Farsi. He's very popular. He was a Christian and he was searching for the truth like he.
@ruhallaahHe was in Jerusalem, he was in a lot of places, but he came to Arabia and then he found the Prophet and then he became Muslim. So there's a lot of cases like that, so you can't just say that. But my question to you is, if that was the case, let's say Khadijah was there for this reason, wouldn't Quran have... Good things about Jews.
@ruhallaahAnd if you look at it, it only tells you about the deception of the Jews. It's about the deception of the Israel. So can you justify that?
@marcionite144adI can't speak to their overall tactic. I think that their goal was to basically control the world from Rome. And there's just so many parallels between Islam and Catholicism. You know, the fact that they... Yeah, because they're from the same God.
@ruhallaahThat's what I believe in. The God of the Vatican is the God of Jesus.
@ruhallaahNo, no, if you look at the message, the message is the same. The message is of Thank you for joining us.
@ruhallaahand and yeah i mean same same with uh prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam his character well if you look at his studies character you won't find anything uh you know like they say he was a man of like you know he wasn't uh a man of sword he he tried always to Have peace, have, you know, communication. But, you know, people betrayed him.
@ruhallaahAnd, you know, that's another story. But, yeah, do message me. I'm happy to take. I don't want to take more time. But that was the question. Do more research. I think you're wrong about Jews being. I do know that they did try to manipulate. And they've always hidden as crypto-Jews within even the Muslim community, even now in Turkey and Saudi Arabia, a lot of these places.
@ruhallaahBut yeah, thanks for your time. Thank you.
@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up. And I also disagree with Catholicism being Jewish. That's insane. And yes, the Vatican is infiltrated, but especially after Vatican II, but I don't think it was always like that at all. And we did a really cool space with the Glowy Father on how it came to be, and I'll post it in the Purple Pill in a little bit.
@joann_marieAll right. Michael Harrison, welcome. Go for it.
Speaker 6Thank you. I thought I'd be waiting a bit longer. I think there was a hand or two up before me, if you want to get to them. But otherwise, I'd be grateful for the mic. I'll probably only... Requested because Yitz, I hate Yitz with a passion, but he mentioned the likes of me when he said people that have been dead come back and they've got a different take on everything, I suppose.
Speaker 6But that's been me most of my life because it happened twice to me, once at six, once at 16. Pretty long stories, both of them. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6The human organism has not got the where at all to understand what God's about and eternity's about. I did become a Christian pretty young, but I went to the wrong places. So I never sat on the fence. I pole-holded it from one side to the other. So I've done a lot of shit in my life and that. But I believe and I've always believed it's not about us.
Speaker 6We really... I've got our heads rammed firmly up our arses, humanity. It's about God and eternity. And any good Muslim or Christian, I've met some really, really godly Muslims. And I've met some really godly Christians. I've met some ungodly Christians too, to be honest. But I've never met an ungodly Muslim, but that's probably because they're limited in the amount I've met in Australia.
Speaker 6But, yeah, no, it's all about God and eternity and what's that. You know, again, totally beyond our comprehension, we've got to have total faith into believing that there is an eternity, but we all understand it. We all grow up, humanity, humans, mankind, has a real strong affinity towards eternity and forever, those words, forever.
Speaker 6It gave all the early philosophers the belief that this existence was eternal. because they knew eternity. Some of those early philosophers are quite brilliant in their take on things, but they didn't have the science of knowledge that we've got today, that it had a beginning and it will have an end eventually. So they transferred their God-given knowledge of eternity to here, but it's not.
Speaker 6Because it is beyond our comprehension, no matter how good you are, what sort of philosopher you are, that eternity... Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6is a creation, you know, and that's it. But what sin are, someone is wondering what sin and everything like that. Well, we grow up, I believe we have evolved. There's definitely such a thing as evolution. Evolution and creation aren't mutually exclusive whatsoever. And God made an ability to kill sin with this creation, and that's what this is.
Speaker 6The purpose of this life is death. You know, and that's what's happened. He's created a situation where sin could die that was otherwise in eternity. Therefore, you know, Lucifer cast down all the rest of it. And he's given us metaphors through really godly people and existence itself to sort of grasp this.
@joann_mariePlease land it soon.
Speaker 6Sorry?
@joann_mariePlease land it soon.
Speaker 6I'll land it soon. Oh, well, right, yeah, so I believe it's all about God and eternity and sinning through the animal, like we've come up, we've evolved through animals, and what we call sin is actually life to an animal. What we call greed is essential in instinct to an animal to survive. As soon as we evolved above subsistence living, which was probably about 6,000, 7,000 years ago, we evolved above that.
Speaker 6So we look at those things as, well, God-given again, God evolution, spiritual evolution. We look at those things as sin now, the spiritual consciousness of mankind. And so it becomes hard to understand. It's a cognitive dissonance, what's sin, what's sin. But as animals, to give up to the what, to give away... Michael Rectenwald
Speaker 6Yeah, well, just, yeah, to rise above your animal desires is all. And that bloke that, Marcy and the fella, that was brilliant. I once met a bloke called Brett Saab, spent his whole life, a very rich person. They had newspapers, and the Murdoch ended up buying them out like community newspapers, so they ended up with a lot of money.
Speaker 6But he's been pretty young, and he spent his whole life studying the first 300 years of Christianity. And what he knew, they used to let him talk in churches in Australia, and they ended up shutting him down. because I didn't like what he had to say because so much of it was so close to what that Marcion fellow was saying.
Speaker 6That was quite good, actually. Thanks for that, whatever your name is.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much for coming up, Michael.
Speaker 6No, no worries. Yeah, no, just it's not about us. Get your head out of your ass. It's about God and eternity. Be as good as you can. Love thy neighbor, the rest of it. And love, look, love is doing the right thing by people you don't like.
@joann_marieThank you. Yes, yes. Thank you so much for coming up.
Speaker 6Can I just finish with this one? Okay. Love is doing right by people you don't like, right?
@joann_marieMy God. Thank you.
@theleaderofusaYou're supposed to love people the way you love yourself and stuff like that. And we still got Wolf, by the way, to get to.
@joann_marieYeah, welcome, Wolf.
Speaker 7Go for it. Hi. Just quick background. I am not of the opinion that any god would reveal himself through scripture or books. Just putting that aside, I'd like to address a few things that I find problematic. And based on my understanding of the scholarship as it stands now,
Speaker 7First off, there's no such thing as an original Bible. What we have are codices. For example, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, and maybe a few Coptic codices, which are compiled manuscripts that are gathered through time. Whenever an archaeological dig finds new or new manuscripts,
Speaker 7The Bible translations have to update in accordance with the scholarship. So there's no such thing as an original Bible. What you have are many translations of those manuscripts. So that's the first point. The second point I need to make is Paul never knew Jesus. Neither did the gospel writers. The gospel writers are synonymous.
Speaker 7Anonymous, that is. And the scholarly consensus, as I understand it, is that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were names assigned by the church fathers because they didn't know who actually wrote them. That's getting that out the way. The next thing, for Paul, Paul never knew Jesus. He may have known Marcion, I don't know.
Speaker 7Paul's time, there were churches already in existence. So Paul didn't start the churches. They were already in existence.
Speaker 7James, brother of Jesus, or James the Just, had church things going on. And some of the other earlier Christian apostles maybe had things going on. All right, so church community, yeah, all right. Early church, Marcion did not know Jesus. Marcion, the earliest date I found from Marcion's birth was 85 CE. So he never had any...
Speaker 7There was no way. If Paul didn't know Jesus, Marcion did not know Jesus. All right. And he died on 160 CE. All right. The Council of Nicaea. The Council of Nicaea did not address the canon. So the books that we see now in our Bible translations were basically the first. The New Testament was floating around. In the days of Marcion, and what Marcion did was he confirmed the popular books that were popular amongst Christians in his day.
Speaker 7And those were the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But they were not authorized by the Council of Nicaea. The Council of Nicaea... was centered around the Aryan controversy, which is where we get the Nicene Creed from. The canon was validated during the Council of Trent in the 14th century, and there is where the Catholic Vulgate, based on the codices of Vaticanus,
Speaker 7were given authority. But even then, even at the Council of Trent, even after that, things keep changing. Bible translations, that's an evolutionary process. As long as we keep getting documents or manuscripts, older manuscripts, the Bible will constantly Go through those changes in order to keep up with the manuscripts that are uncovered.
Speaker 7That is the process. So the notion that there's an original Bible, no. There's no such thing. And I think I've hit on a lot of the points, and I find it disturbing that anybody would say that Marcion knew Jesus. And that Marcion had an original Bible. I heard that claim. I may be wrong, but I heard that claim. And I heard the claim that Paul knew Jesus.
Speaker 7No, that's not true. Never knew Jesus. The gospel writers are anonymous. Even John. John comes in at 90. His manuscripts start coming in at 90 CE. And that's the earliest. But scholarly consensus is more confident with 125 CE. All right. So John could never have known Jesus. And he was the last gospel writer. The closest to Jesus in terms of the timeline was Paul.
Speaker 7And he comes in at around 60 or 50 or 60 CE. And that's according to the scholarly consensus, which I follow diligently. And I'm an atheist. So I find majors... Major's Claims. I find a lot of gaslighting there and little scholarship at all.
@marcionite144adCan I respond?
@joann_marieI think Oliver also wants to say something, so let's go to Oliver because he's the special guest.
@marcionite144adI was just attacked. I should at least be able to defend myself.
Speaker 7You were not attacked, sir. I was not attacking you. I see problems in what you say, so I do this respectfully, all right?
@joann_marieBut you're going to address him right after Oliver.
@joann_marieOliver?
@joann_marieAll right, Oliver is in there.
@oliverjanichGo for it, Major. I was searching for the button. Now let Major answer first, but then I want to say something.
@joann_marieOK, go for it, Major.
@marcionite144adThere's a famous painting where you see Marcion's face scratched out. That painting is an image of John. and Marcion sitting down. John, his writings, according to John now, he composed his gospel with the assistance of Marcion. I never said that Marcion knew Jesus. What I said was that Marcion's father knew Jesus. He's one of the 70 apostles named in Luke Acts.
@marcionite144adNow, Marcion's father knew Jesus. And Paul, according to Paul, met Jesus and was delivered the gospel. Now, according to Paul's gospel, the reason that they chose Marcion is because Marcion also recognized that Paul's gospel was the true gospel, that there was no other gospel. And in fact, for the first 250 years, the very terms canon, there was no other books out there called canon.
@marcionite144adThere was no other books out there called Bible. Marcion invented the term because he was a ship captain. He owned a vast shipping company. He basically, you know, in shipping you use cannons, you use logs. He came up with the very concept. Before that, they used scrolls. Everybody was reading from Jewish scrolls. It was Marcion that came up with the idea of creating a canon in order to basically log all of Paul's, basically the original gospel in Paul's letters.
@marcionite144adNow, at the time that they created the very first Bible, the very first New Testament, the Vatican didn't exist. There was no Vaticanus that you speak of. That didn't happen until like 200 years later. For the first 250 years of, you know, The oldest Christian inscriptions we have are Marcionite inscriptions.
@marcionite144adYou know, Marcionism is the oldest records we have of the Christian Bible. In fact, when the Vatican went to convert the Bible from Latin back into English, they didn't have any records. They had to go to the Marcionite Bible in order to find the original writings of Paul. You know, the original gospel. The Marcionite Bible is the oldest Bible, bro.
@marcionite144adThe Q document is from a Marcionite Bible. I don't know why, you know, I see that you... May I rebut that?
Speaker 7May I rebut that?
@marcionite144adI would like to finish first, but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7Well, you know, you've had the floor and you've been gaslighting a lot. All right, so here we go. There are no original Paul writings, all right? What we have are copies, all right? And Paul wrote about 13 epistles and six of them, are considered pseudepigrapha, meaning forgeries. So basically you have seven that are considered authentic writings of Paul, but there are no originals.
Speaker 7There was no such thing as original. I would debate you on just the scriptures alone.
@marcionite144adThe seven are the original. The additionals that they created were the Judaized versions in order to Judaize Paul.
Speaker 7And even in those seven, and even in those seven, the scholars... The scholarship out there that is contesting the last seven or the seven standing because there are some of them that are still in question and whose authorship is not resolved. They're forgeries.
@marcionite144adThey created them in order to Judaize Jesus.
Speaker 7The seven are under contention with the scholarship. Even then, there are some
Speaker 7Very visible scholars out there, heavy hitters out there who would say that Paul didn't even write those seven, all right? That none of Paul's writings were originally coming from Paul. So that's not a safe argument for you, all right? And by the way, there were multiple gospels floating around at the time in which Matthew was writing or at the time in which Mark was writing.
Speaker 7At the time of around 100 or the year 100, there were multiple Gospels. And it was just a pick and choose because a lot of the Gospels had so many ridiculous claims. They only stuck. And Marcion wasn't the only one. Here's the fact, brother. The very first Christian church. Marcion had to confer with Papias as to which were the popular writings at the time.
Speaker 7The claim that Marcion had the Bible is ludicrous.
@marcionite144adWell, here's the fact, brother, that if you were trying to hold a modern Bible today and the original Christian truth... Don't tell me facts.
Speaker 7Don't tell me here's the facts. Gaslight somebody else. Don't gaslight me.
@marcionite144adI don't even know why I'm talking to this guy. I'm sorry, guys.
@joann_marieYeah, I don't know anything about this topic, so... Go for it, Christopher, and then we'll go to Oliver.
@theleaderofusaYeah, that's what I was going to say. Let's go to Oliver and see what's happening, and we'll see where it goes. Oliver, thank you.
@oliverjanichYeah, first I want to say that Paul most likely also was in a theta wave state when he met Jesus, and he also had an out-of-body experience. But I want to resolve all the discussions about whose writing is real and all of that. The beauty of my approach is that I First check what is true. So I want to bring up the reincarnation topic again.
@oliverjanichSo before I heard that reincarnation is in the New Testament, I checked, is there reincarnation? Then there's a lot of evidence for that. The University of Virginia made great studies where they Ask the children, they can remember their past lives and they have birthmarks where they were heard and so on. And then I said, OK, if this is true, why didn't Jesus know that?
@oliverjanichAnd if you go into it and read it the right way, then you see this is true. And what I want to say, which results in a lot of things, is the most important saying is still Life in the church and everybody knows that, but it says much more. So it's love your neighbor like yourself means first you have to know yourself because it's like yourself.
@oliverjanichAnd yourself, you have to be a good person to love your neighbor like yourself. So there's a lot into only that saying. And that relates also to the karma. You have to be a good... Good man, because otherwise you are reborn again. And so the whole purpose, which I explained before, is to get back to God, because God is love.
@oliverjanichSo it all comes together. And what I'm saying that the church uses, whoever wrote it, uses this for power. There's absolutely zero doubt about that. They merged with the state essentially. Now they are separated again, but they were the state at one point. And another important thing, but that would be a whole new discussion.
@oliverjanichNow Dr. Rectenwald is not there anymore. He would like that. If you do love your neighbor like yourself, that excludes a state because a state robs you. And then there's Romans 13 where they say you have to Listen to the state, I have to follow the state, but the word used there is not state, the word is exousia and that's a spiritual power.
@oliverjanichSo what I want to say with that, first you have to search what is true, is a state, I know there are many people likely here in the space who believe in the state, but This is my whole approach. First, you have to look, is that consistent? Is a state consistent with loving your neighbor? No, it is not. And then you look in the Bible.
@oliverjanichWell, that's exactly what Jesus really said. He was killed by the state. The disciples broke out of jail. So obviously, you don't have to listen to the state or do what he says. So what I want to say first, you check what is true from what we can gather scientifically. The quantum physics and all of that, consciousness is very important.
@oliverjanichAnd then you see, okay, is there the rest of it, at least in the Bible we have? So I'm not too much talking about, okay, who wrote what and did he really know Jesus? Paul obviously didn't know him in flesh, but maybe he grasped better what he meant because he had the connection to the spiritual world. Why a theta wave or why that out-of-body experience?
@oliverjanichSo this thing results a lot of things. My theory results a lot of things. So like the one argument I made, obviously Yahweh was bad. There's no dispute about that. So you only can believe in Jesus if you say, yeah, obviously it was not the same God. Otherwise, you cannot believe in Jesus. You cannot believe in Jesus and say he worshipped Yahweh.
@oliverjanichYou know what I mean? So it's all my approach. It's all logical. It's a logical thinking. It's very interesting what Major said. I will look that up with Marcion and so on. And I also want to see the supposed original Gospel of Paul. Maybe it's all in there. That's why I will check that and even update my book then. But that's my approach.
@oliverjanichAnd I think it's a more... There is not so much combat anymore, if you agree to that. There are mystical traditions in every religion. Of course, they are called heretics. But for me, it's a big chance that if everybody in his religion looks to the mystical tradition, that you have to have your personal relationship to God.
@oliverjanichYou don't need a church to tell you that. Everybody can do it by himself. That's a very unifying approach, I would say. And everybody who goes against that is an enemy. So, for example, the Israeli government obviously hurts these principles. So you don't even have to think about it. They are the enemy because they are violating these principles.
@oliverjanichSo that's what I wanted to say. Thank you.
@joann_marieAwesome. Thank you so much, Oliver. All right. Blackhood, welcome, go for it.
@bladecoatbrawlrHey, thank you very much. Well, first, I want to say a salute to everybody on the panel. This has been a great discussion. I appreciate how you guys have been moderating it. I mean, everybody's been respectful. Everybody's been getting their time. It's very rare to see that happen on these spaces or really anywhere. So, you know, it's great how you guys control the room.
@bladecoatbrawlrMuch respect for that. What I want to talk about is demons. I loved how you guys segued into that earlier. Oliver, salute. Major, salute. Yo, you guys have put forth some incredible information. I spent a couple of years studying the works of people who study, or not study, studying the works of people who worship demons.
@bladecoatbrawlrBasically, you know, the Hollywood elite, all of these, the Epstein class, basically, we all know what they talked about in the files, what they do to the children, all of that shit. Right. And I love how the fact was brought up that Yahweh isn't a God that Jesus would follow. That's a question in a discussion that I've had over the years with many Christians, and they don't really want to touch on it.
@bladecoatbrawlrYou know what I mean? They're very wrapped up in the book and what the pastors and ministers or whoever tell them. So it's been a discussion that I haven't really been able to have in depth. But my beliefs on it, I've always postulated that the Satan on the mountain that approached Jesus and he said, get thee behind me, Satan.
@bladecoatbrawlrI've always believed that that was Yahweh. Because who else would have control of all the lands, all the riches, anything you can see as far as your eyes can travel, I will give all that to you. I mean, we hear about powers and principalities and spiritual wickedness in the highest places. And we understand that powers and principalities, they are stationary.
@bladecoatbrawlrThey govern over certain parts of our world or certain parts of iniquity. They don't have total control. So if any being is literally saying, I have total control and I will give this to you, it's got to be that one. It's got to be the chief deity that they've been worshiping
@bladecoatbrawlrAll of the Epstein shit, right?
@bladecoatbrawlrFire, snakes, shit that just don't sit right in my soul. But people are hyping it up like this is it. And it's always the same thing, just choreographed differently. I've always said these are literal occult rituals that we're joining in and giving our energy to these things, right? And it's wild because when we look at the flag of Israel and we talk about the relationship,
@bladecoatbrawlrWe know about that.
@bladecoatbrawlrSimp for Israel when literally if you look at the teachings of Jesus, you will know that he doesn't condone how they act. So we look at how they treat the Palestinians. We look at how they're sex trafficking people all over the world. They go to Ukraine and them and coerce Ukrainian women to come to Israel to work for two years to get money for their family who is in a war-torn environment.
@bladecoatbrawlrBut then they go to Israel and they get kidnapped at gunpoint and put in basements for years. Like, the Israelis openly talk about all this. And a lot of people, Christians especially, don't look at the facts. They look at the words that are being told to them. They look at, well, they don't look at, they listen to what they're being told to do.
@bladecoatbrawlrAnd all that energy, all of that positive, quote unquote, positive energy that they want to give off love and this, that, and the third, they're giving to the wrong entity. Because if they were giving it to the right entity,
@bladecoatbrawlrBut like I said, yo, thank you for my time. That's all I really wanted to say. I had a lot more to say, but I'm going to concede my time to other people. I basically got all my points across. Sorry if it sounded jumbled and all over the place, but hey, it is what it is. I'll be back. We'll have more great discussions. And thank you.
@bladecoatbrawlrSalute.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. And thank you for being here and the kind words on the space. And we always try to keep things as peaceful as we can, because otherwise it just turns into chaos. And everybody is always welcome as long as they deliver it with, let's say, some degree of eloquence and sophistication, hopefully. But if not, at least with respect for everybody else up on the panel, then everybody is always welcome to share any and all opinions.
Ian MalcolmEven those I find detestable, crazy, or just inaccurate.
Ian MalcolmSupremacist friends that will come in here and say all kinds of nonsense. And as long as they deliver it in a peaceful way, especially Yitz, I think he always does a great job of it. They are welcome to come in here and do so. And let me double check. I don't actually know if he said it was okay, but I'm sure it's going to be regardless.
Ian MalcolmI sent the note to try and schedule the debate between Major and Yitz. And I mentioned... I mentioned that Dr. Rectenwald had said some kind things as he left the room, and Yitz just responded with a gif of Captain Jack Sparrow, where he quotes, I knew you'd warm up to me eventually. I got 10 points for Yitz. That was pretty well done.
Ian MalcolmBut JoAnn, let's go to a few more hands, and then we'll get ready to wrap up and go back to Oliver for some party words.
@joann_marieAmazing, thank you. And that debate is going to be so funny. Okay, can I? Yeah, go for it Oliver, yes.
@oliverjanichBecause it was mentioned recently. So the third video, I posted one video under the spaces, but it's three videos. And then the first of these three videos, I explained that Molech is not a deity. Molech is the name of the ritual for child sacrifice to Yahweh. And I found sources for that. You know, scholarly sources. And that's a very, I mean, shocking thing.
@oliverjanichBut that's what I found out, that Malik is not a deity. It's the name of the ritual for child sacrifice. And Yahweh even admits to that in the Old Testament. And he says, oh, I even allowed the child sacrifice, but now I'm not allowing it anymore. It was probably written in because they stopped the practice of child sacrifice.
@oliverjanichSo they had Yahweh saying that because in the other verses you see every firstborn child belongs to me. And even scholars say, yeah, that means to sacrifice them. And because they changed the practice, they later said, yeah, Yahweh said, well, I allowed it, but now I don't allow it anymore. And that's absolutely key to all the satanic stuff we are seeing.
@oliverjanichAnd the guy before me was talking about, this is Hollywood. This is their original religion. And that's what you have to understand. Of course, not All the people, all the Jewish people practices, but these evil elites practices, it's straight from the Old Testament.
@yogoyogoyOh, it's wicked. It's deeply wicked. I live in the Dearborn, Michigan area, which is very known currently, obviously, for its high Muslimi density. But, you know, this is a traditionally Christian area. And I was raised Christian in the wider metro Detroit region. And, you know, Nation of Islam, which follows the Christian Bible, the African-American Christian body, was founded in Detroit.
@yogoyogoyBut anyways, so, you know, my roots go deep. But lately, especially having come back to the area, Kind of a hero's journey or a medicine wheel kind of situation. You know, I'm looking around for a church to attend and lots of great history, lots of churches to choose from, but you just scratch the surface a little bit and you start seeing schnozzers in the front view window, if you catch my drift.
@yogoyogoyIt's Goyce Law. What Christianity, which is a, even in the name. I mean, and like you said, Oliver, I mean, I didn't know that about Moloch. You know, it's funny if you take out the middle initial, it's the word mock, like mockery. And it does, it's like we see in Hollywood. They just, they're flagrant. They're flagrant, and it's disgusting.
@yogoyogoyAnd embarrassing. It's emasculating. I hate to admit, but I mean, I'll say it.
@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much. Oliver, do you want to add anything else? Or any closing remarks? I'm loving this space, so thank you so much.
@oliverjanichOh yeah, it's good that we are in the closing now, because I have to go. Yeah, I just want to re-stress what I said earlier. Love your neighbor like yourself. That's the thing. Everybody who violates it, they are the bad guys. And it's easy to understand. So of course, it's all interesting, what I write and so on. But this is the one message.
@oliverjanichAnd you can judge every situation.
@oliverjanichThe best one saying, and that's the most important one. And I think what I'm doing is important because you have to know, I mean, think of it, if I'm right, how big is that conspiracy that they made us believe? The whole planet, basically, only not, let's say, the Buddhists and so on, but the whole planet is believing in a deity that kills children.
@oliverjanichAnd now look where we are. Look where we are. And I think that's the result of that. And that's my closing.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.
Ian MalcolmThank you for joining us.
Ian MalcolmIf you had any kind of final remarks here. And then what I might do is to throw a curveball to everybody. And let's go to JoAnn after Chris. And then I will suggest, why don't we go to MajorMarcionite and see if he has a prayer or any other parting words that he'd like to end the space with on kind of an uplifting and positive note.
@marcionite144adOh, God bless you, Ian. Yeah, I would just like to bow our heads and pray to the Father in heaven that he, you know...
@marcionite144adand hopefully come together on the basis of truth and love and unity. It's the lies, it's the devil's lies that divide us and keep us in fighting so that they can gain their control through chaos. That is their motto, at least the Freemason motto. It's the truth that brings us together. It's only the truth that's going to set us free.
@marcionite144adAnd with that, I praise God in heaven that he delivers this clarity to us all so that we can all basically come together on a basis of love and truth. God bless and amen.
Ian MalcolmAbsolutely lovely words there, Marcionite. And I did send that note. And we've got the chat going. It is live with you, JoAnn, and Yitz. We will find a time for the great debate. It'll be very, very fun and interesting. Why don't we go up to JoAnn, see if she's got any thoughts either on this space, the world at large, any of the things that we have scheduled for next week on the docket for all of you.
Ian MalcolmAnd then if Christopher is with us, we will go to him for some parting words and a prayer to close out the space.
@joann_marieNo, thank you so much for hosting. It was awesome, Ian. And I learned so much, Oliver and Christopher. Always a pleasure having you here. No, it's a lot of different ideas that I need to reflect on. I disagree with a couple of them. Some of them I will look into. But I love that we share our own perceptions of things and different ideas and to, yeah, question stuff, right?
@joann_marieBecause everybody... So I like that. And I will tell you guys what is next week. Hold on, let me get my little schedule.
@joann_marieSo we have on August 24th, the FBI killed him and then lied to his widow. And we're talking to both of his sons of this FBI agent that was murdered by the FBI. And then on August 25th, we have Follow the White Rabbit, Citizen Power and Keeping Score. with Resist Rapids. And then on August 26th, we have Stick Your Turf with Canary Mine.
@joann_marieI love canning, so this is going to be awesome. And on August 27th, we have Jewish and Indian Alliance with Infomaden and a couple of our special guests. That sounds amazing. And we have all of September scheduled already. Thank you for being here. All right, go for it, Chris.
@theleaderofusaThank you guys so much for showing up to the space tonight. And of course, thank you, JoAnn, and thank you, Ian, for having me with y'all. It was a fun time indeed. It's always entertaining when there's a bit of discourse and then Yitz comes in there doing Jewish things, but it was a good time. And I appreciate everyone showing each other a decent amount of respect so that way we could keep the conversation productive and cordial.
@theleaderofusaI know this is a very touchy subject, but... Thank you all so much and keep fighting. Y'all were created with a purpose. Y'all were not created by accident. You're not monkeys. Okay. All right.
Ian MalcolmGo ahead, Ian or JoAnn. Oh, I love it. And I just put up into the nest. So two things up there. Number one, you are going to find a post that I made. The one and only David Nietzsche, who we all love ever so much. Mrs. Nietzsche, who has made a couple little guest appearances in the very background of the spaces. She has made a handle for X, and so I want to show her some love.
Ian MalcolmIf everybody could go up, give her a follow. We're going to see if we can't get her a handful of them, just as a big warm introduction to X. We also up there, of course, have the video of Christopher Wood. Please feel free to give that a like, a share, any of those things. We also have now discerning... Thank you so much for watching.
Ian MalcolmI do see we've got Mr. Official Dre up here, so what I'm going to do, I'm going to say as always, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, good night, good day, all of the good things.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much for tuning in.
Ian MalcolmAll right, real quick, real quick.
@theleaderofusaGuys, please check out ianmalcolm84.com. It's a really good website, really well put together, and you're not going to be disappointed. Please check it out. It's easy to listen to any of the previous ones, and like Ian said in the beginning, it's all categorized. So if you click on this podcast that'll show up, It'll show you the different sections, the different chapters of the program.
@theleaderofusaSo that's a big thing. It's a huge tool to go back and listen to any of these spaces. It's easier listening on there than it is to go back and try to listen on here. All right. Thank you. Go on, Official. Thank you.
@joann_marieAnd also, Sean allegedly thanked some love because he was the one who put everything, all of those together. And I posted his...
@joann_mariePlease do show him some love. He's awesome. Sorry, go for it, Official.
@marcionite144adThank you, brother.
Ian MalcolmThank you so much, brother.
Ian MalcolmAll the good spirits in the world, not to the demons that Oliver talked about, but all the good spirits, all the good souls.
Ian MalcolmCertainly lots of love as always. God bless. Godspeed. And please do, once he opens it a little bit, make sure to check out Mr. Truthteller's space. I'm sure he'll probably open in the next hour or so. I will definitely be there listening. So look forward to all of you being there and being square next week with us. Lots of love.
Ian MalcolmGodspeed. God bless.