Return to the Land

3:32Ian MalcolmSo Mr. Aaron, I couldn't I can't think of a better song than the one that I was just playing to embody the things that you're doing, the movement that you are building, the sentiments of essentially what I believe is, is a, a sense of ethno-nationalism that is starting to develop within a lot of people in the West, both in the United States and across Western Europe. And, and so with that being played, I, of course, as I always want to, I wanna thank not only our wonderful- Guests that I'm going to be very, very interested to learn about some of the latest developments with this project, which is obviously under attack by the usual suspects. but also of course, to first and foremost, to thank the co-hostess with the mostess, Miss Joanne, and to check in to see if she can name that tune and obviously the reason for playing it in this space.↗

4:32@joann_marieAnother day, another absolute fail for me. No, no, but it, it, it sounded-- the, the speaker wasn't as good as it normally is, but I, I did feel that it was a beautiful song. So, so thank you so much, Ian. And no, I have no idea what, what that song was.↗

4:52Ian Malcolmwas it, was it coming in on a scale of one to ten? Was it a, was it a one or a two or at least a five or↗

4:58@joann_mariesix? It was, like maybe four. Like, in some points it would get like, I think the, the either microphone would like get overwhelmed and there was like a lot of like fuzzy noises.↗

5:10Ian MalcolmAll right, well, we'll keep working. that was Montgomery Gentry, the song is My Town, with the line, "Where I was born, where I was raised, where I keep all my yesterdays, this is my town." And, I thought, what better thing for the founder of Return to the Land? Project built on the idea that this is my land, this is my town, this is my way, and I thought it would be a nice little set of sentiments. I apologize for the audio not coming in as well as it would in the past. We're, we're kind of developing, right? This is our best efforts at, at a live show, so obviously gonna have some ups and downs. but with that being said, I wanna welcome our, our exceptional guest, a man again, of principle, of character, one of honor and nobility that is also With, essentially the evil of the usual suspects, we'll be getting into exactly what that looks like. And I don't think that it could be more appropriate that we host this space right now, given the atrocities that we've most recently seen, over with Henry Novak or Nowak, I should say, over in the United Kingdom, which feels like it is downstream from the very problems that essentially launched interest in the development of the project that you are obviously building. And so with that, to our ex- Exceptional, esteemed guest, I'd love to turn the floor over, and perhaps the best place to start is again with a, a rather short synopsis of, of yourself, the project that you're behind, for those guests that might not be familiar, and then we will of course pivot to some of these more recent developments with the legal suit that has essentially been filed, the usual suspects that are behind such, and we'll get into the dynamics thereof.↗

6:58Speaker 1Well, yeah, thanks for the very generous introduction. How's my audio, by the way? It sounds better than the music, I think, based on your feedback. No, good, good. No, good song choice, I like it. yeah, so I'm Arvind, Eric, Orwall. I've been in these spaces, for, I don't know, ten, fifteen years almost, and it is all connected, and I saw a lot of these developments years and years ago and went through my own period of being blackpilled about it. And a little depressive, and electoral victory just seemed completely out of the question because of demographic change. And so early on, I started thinking, "What else can we do?" And building parallel systems was one of the most popular approaches. I didn't come up with it, of course. There were people talking about back in the day fifth political theory or the Benedic-Benedict option. Books were written about it. more recently, Balaji wrote The Network State, and that's influencing a lot of people to think along Along similar lines in a little more technologically sophisticated kind of way, but, it's always been close to my heart, and furthermore, community has always been something that I valued. I've tried living in various intentional communities actually. Our secretary, Peter Sire, who really came up with our legal framework, he has experience in communities, actually in South America, he used to be, he wasn't exactly a leftist, I think he was like a anarchist or something, but he was in a vegan, fruitarian Community down there. so obviously had a change of heart. I was in like left wing intentional communities early in my twenties when I had a very different worldview, and so that's just something to me that is very important. I always felt kind of alienated and isolated with the conditions of modernity. It didn't feel right. It felt like we were missing something. And so I just have a passion for it. besides that, I teach philosophy I'm very big on Plato especially, so I teach courses on Plato and Aristotle, and had an ambition of creating a school. My two big projects were community for our people, and then an institute for classical education. The, the latter, hopefully we get to at some point. But a group of like a dozen guys came down, I put out a call three years ago or so, and a dozen guys came down to help me, with that institute, infrastructure for it. And while we were all working on that project, we got along very, very well. We felt like there was potential to do a lot more, and very quickly we started scouting for land, started thinking about how we might actually organize something, and just kind of dove into it. So we've been slowly and steadily building up this community in the Ozarks since then, late twenty twenty-three. And for a while, flew under the radar, and were able to just focus on homesteading and building houses and things like that. Eventually, though, of course, something like that can't remain completely hidden. I think some people are naive about that. They want community, but they don't want to stand up for our right to have it, and so they just wanna hide. And there are communities around the country that operate in that way, but you can't hide forever. In our case, we couldn't hide for very long Wrong, because I made content and I talked about what we were doing, so, you know, the cat was out of the bag pretty quick. but this Jewish guy on Reddit wrote a long thread about us on r slash Jewish and then reposted it to as many, subreddits as he could, essentially motivating people or calling people to complain to government, media creating a big hassle for us, and since then we are now under multiple investigations at a state level. famously, the attorney general of Arkansas was looking into us, and after more than a year, his office has still found nothing.↗

11:05Speaker 1we're also under federal investigation. We already had one lawsuit going, that was totally frivolous, a lawsuit against one of our members, they pinned on all of our RTTL related companies though, simply to harass us, probably under the advisement of the original antagonistic Jew from Reddit, in order, a, to cost us money and b, probably to access information through discovery. That lawsuit, nothing's really happened with it in over a couple months, so I think they've given up more or less. the new lawsuit is from this Jewish woman, Michelle Walker, who's a real estate broker in the Saint Louis area↗

11:49Speaker 1and, you know, successful woman, married to a black man, And she s-supposedly, or, you know, reportedly, was watching TV one day and the news told her about this land opportunity in Arkansas for a thousand an acre. Now, we don't sell land, and we never bought land for a thousand an acre. You can't find that anywhere. So clearly, there's misrepresentation involved in supposedly giving her the idea to join us. She never wanted to move here, by her own admission. She thought of it purely As an investment opportunity, but once again, we don't sell land. And for those who don't know, so Return to the Land is our umbrella organization. It's international, there's more than a thousand members, and mostly it consists of our online chats and then meetups that happen in different regions. Sometimes a subset of the members decide to pool resources and found a community. They buy land together and either homesteading community Or it doesn't have to be rural, it's possible to do this in a suburban context. There's actually a more suburban style development happening under RTTL right now, in the US, but I'm not gonna talk about, for obvious reasons, the particular locations of any future communities. But, RTTL isn't the community here, and it's not a land owning entity. We don't have assets, and so she was applying for a social club. It's a club for people of European heritage Who support traditional values. She is a miscegenating Jew, so obviously wouldn't qualify for our association, we rejected her, and now she's construing that as rejection for an application to buy land from us, which it wasn't. So, I think that the way that we've structured legally will protect us from this kind of lawsuit. It's the kind of lawsuit that we saw coming. They're trying to conflate a private intentional community with a public real estate development. That's really the core argument, and I think if, if they rule against us, it will set very harmful consequences and precedent for any community out there who wants to have their own private thing. Private intentional communities determine their own membership all the time, along religious, ethnic lines. There are more than thirty Jewish communities, exclusively and only Jewish communities just in the US, there are more than thirty communities listed in this BiPOC intentional community,↗

14:34Speaker 1council or Whatever they are. so other people have done this. In the news, they talked about, a few years ago, this group of black people in Georgia who got together to buy land, and the media was glowing about what they were trying to do, creating a safe space for themselves. So it's an obvious double standard, and if they rule against us, like I said, it won't just affect, us, it'll affect a lot of people, and I think the backlash to it would be honestly unacceptable. So we've been monitoring the comments Of course, from the mainstream media articles that have been written about us, and even in the most left-wing places, the predominant sentiment, even if they don't like us, is like, "Okay, but what's the problem? What's the issue? Why shouldn't these people be allowed to do what they want?"↗

15:26Speaker 1And yeah, that's kinda where we are. we're optimistic. We now finally have been served the lawsuit. For a few days there, it was just in the media, and we learned-- the way that I learned about it was from a New York Times reporter who called me up on the phone. It was a number I didn't recognize, I answered, and it was this Jewish lady from the New York Times, asking for comment on the new lawsuit, and I was like, "Oh, all right, well, I haven't read it, so..." they served us today We have a legal strategy, we have many legal arguments that we're going to be able to choose between. There are different ways to play this thing, and part of it is how ambitious we wanna get. So we have, a high-profile lawyer that we're not gonna share the name of yet. We have someone who's closer to our organization, that we trust at a higher level, and then someone we've worked with in the past who has just proven to be--↗

16:25Speaker 1Is sentimentally very pro-white and also a really, really competent lawyer. Now, on the other side, they have the NAACP behind them, which is a multi-million dollar organization. Obviously, they have the legal, legal fund of Arkansas also supporting them. So this is about draining our resources, but when they come at us with organizational backing like this, that opens them up to the possibility of countersuit where they have deep pockets and that runs both Ways. So yes, they have a lot of resources to bring to bear against us, but also if we turn around and call them out for what they're doing, call them out for conspiring to deprive us of our constitutional right to freely associate, then, you know, maybe actually at the end of the day, it works out well financially even.↗

17:20Ian MalcolmWe'll see. And just out of curiosity on that, because I wanna, now that you just mentioned it the way that you did, I wanna make sure that I'm doing, that which I can to protect your team's interests on this. by having this conversation, we're not putting you in any kind of, of precarious position discussing some of the, the strategy, right?↗

17:39Speaker 1I'm not revealing anything that we haven't said already or that, hopefully, we shouldn't say publicly. So, we've talked to the lawyers and-↗

17:48Ian MalcolmOkay, perfect. I, I, I just, again, I, I wanted to make, make sure I was just being extra precautious on that. And, and it is interesting, right? So, so that's a, an angle, and, and I guess you can take the position that because they have the deep pockets and they're coming after you, perhaps in a way that is unjustifiably, they are essentially just attacking, your resources knowing you have a limited amount of them, which in and of itself, you're saying is grounds for a, a, a countersuit,↗

18:17Speaker 1Yeah. currently that's not the priority though. we have limited resources, and first and foremost, we have to defend ourselves. so if this becomes a more high-profile matter, you know, we do have our GiveSendGo, so it's Givesendgo dot com slash RTTL dash legal fees. It all goes to the legal fight. We've been raising funds for more than a year because, like I said, there are already ongoing state and federal investigations And that also costs money because you have to have lawyers submit certain things for you and handle filing. So, and then beyond that, we've also done proactive research and tightened up our structure. So it's good that we got a head start and have been raising funds and have been building relationships, with lawyers. But this is really the fight that matters, and everything that's been donated recently is going into that fight specifically. currently, if we don't go to A trial, and we win, we should cover our lawyer's expenses.↗

19:23Speaker 1if we do go to trial, or if we unfortunately lose, then it's gonna be a much more complicated situation, but also in either of those cases, it'll become a much more high-profile matter and an issue of public concern, and I would think, the American people would have something to say about it. So I'm, I'm very optimistic, whichever way it goes. And even like in the worst case scenario that they just take us down, we can't win any appeal,↗

19:54Speaker 1we effectively lose, well then that narrows down our options. There are a lot of people on the right who criticize our strategy and say that we're simply running away. Now, a, it's a straw man, and they have no idea how many things Return to the Land is actually doing. It's much, much more than just a rural Neighborhood. We link people up for employment and business investment, and, I mean, marriages have started, children have been born because of our GTL, which is really, really cool.↗

20:25Speaker 1but also we're international, there are people all around the world, like an American lawsuit can't really shut us down even. there are those, you know, for some reason, who discourage organizing altogether on our side, and I'm at the point where I would basically regard anyone who recommends that as controlled opposition. Of course, they don't want us to organize, but we have to, you know? So But to those people, our defeat would basically be a sign that more dramatic action has to be taken. So in a way, like the establishment is being put in an interesting position, and they face this fork where either they attack The moderates, and we are the moderates on our side actually,↗

21:14Speaker 1and embolden the radicals, or they allow us to move forward and pro-white organizations are allowed to legally and peacefully, get together and advance. And either way, I kind of see that as a win. The worst case scenario is this no man's land in the middle, you know? It's like the whole anarcho tyranny thing. If the rules aren't clearly spelled out, then when you do something, they're gonna punish you, when their, their side does something, obviously they get away with it, or if their cronies do.↗

21:52Speaker 1So yeah, I mean, we're gonna remove that disambiguation, or ambiguity rather, in one way or another, hopefully through victory, but, you know, it's a battle that has to be fought. it's something also that's been talked about for years in our circles, you know, again, I'm not the first guy to talk about intentional communities, and it's been tried. In some cases, you know, famously, there are incidents where communities like that failed. There was the, the guy in North Dakota, there's- I mean, Ruby Ridge was sort of a white nationalist guy, it was more like a family compound,↗

22:28Speaker 1but, you know, that's all decades ago, and no one tried to do it as above board and according to the law as we have tried to do it, like we've been working and talking with lawyers pretty much from the beginning, not the very beginning 'cause it was just a dozen guys, but within a few months, we already had lawyers joining the association,↗

22:50Speaker 1So yeah, it's a battle that has to be fought. It's one that, you know, we're glad to risk our wellbeing for. And, yeah, we'll see what happens.↗

23:00Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, we'll certainly be cheering, as that takes place and doing everything that we can to bring attention and support, for this cause. And, and what you just said there is actually very interesting, this idea that your position is the moderate one amongst those that are essentially suggesting that there's, there's no solution to the current Reality that is modernity, right? You're basically saying we just wanna detach ourselves from it, we wanna be outside of it, and we wanna build something that we can protect from it. And for the machine to say, "No, you're not allowed to do that," well, then it would suggest to anybody that's like-minded that, "Okay, well, then obviously something more radical has to take place to protect those interests, right?" So it, it is an interesting spot or, or pickle that you somewhat have them in, and I'm, I'm kind of curious if, if you kind↗

23:50Ian MalcolmIt is that they're even accusing you of doing wrong. I mean, obviously there's freedom of to assembly, to assemble amongst people that you decide to on private land, which is what you own, right? So, so is this, some kind of discrimination claim? Is it that you're-- that they're suggesting you're doing something inappropriate with the land itself? What, what are some of the ins and outs of their actual claims against you?↗

24:14Speaker 1Well, if you read their complaint letter, the vast majority of it is just a screed against white nationalism and characterizing us as white supremacists. the actual argument that it looks like they're gonna use is effectively, substance over form. So they'll say we set up these corporations in order to basically get around the Fair Housing Act and other anti-discrimination laws Pertaining to housing, right? and so they'll say that even though we say we don't sell land, because the way people buy into our community here when they do join it, involves being assigned a particular piece of this land to have rights to homestead on, that constitutes effectively a deed to real estate, and there is a real estate transaction going on. Now, we- Doubt that argument will actually hold up because a lot of other people have done this in private intentional communities. It's fairly common when you look at a plat map to see, a piece of land owned not by an individual or a list of individuals, but by like a family name LLC,↗

25:34Speaker 1right? So companies very often own land and people gain access to that land Private land by buying into the company. That doesn't mean it is now a public real estate transaction. It's like if I have my family compound and I only let in certain people, that is, I'm not suddenly a real estate developer, I'm not providing housing, I'm not like a landlord.↗

26:02Speaker 1and we don't rent, so Return to the Land doesn't manage the real estate in that sense. There has been-- There's one case, and I can't give the particular name of the case 'cause I forget at the moment, but there was a private club that offered like permanent rentals on land. It was exclusive according to a religious persuasion, I think, or maybe it was even ethnic in their case, and ultimately they were forbidden from doing that because- It was said to fall outside of those exemptions in the Fair Housing Act, which are intended to allow private clubs to do that sort of thing. So we don't rent, we're not I mean, the, the company here doesn't even sell shares directly. It, it hasn't for a very long time.↗

26:51Speaker 1like all of the shares that we sell, like we, quote unquote, sell now, are somebody who's deciding, okay, yeah, I'm, I'm done with this, I guess I'm gonna move somewhere else, and they sell a share to another private individual, individuals. It's all like person to person. None of it is in real estate. It's all in shares to the company. And so, I mean- I mean, that's, that's the effect of their argument. It's really not, a complex one. They're gonna try to say that all of the different entities that you've set up, the way that you've tried to organize, doesn't make it a private thing because there is housing involved, even though we never built housing, we never sold housing to anyone. It's just a piece of land that people are homesteading collectively, and there are other home, homesteading collectives out there like that or co-ops. Like that somehow means that now we are, housing providers in, in some sense. It's not our job, it's not what our managing LLC does for return to the land, it's not what the managing company here in our first community in the Ozarks does. so I think they don't really have access to our structure, to our, the details of our transactions and interactions and how we govern ourselves, and when they get all of that information, I think I think it'll be pretty clear that it's not just, you know, this is a, a formality that we've established in order to evade the law. It's like, no, we've actually adhered to the law on all points, and in substance, we aren't housing providers, and certainly not to the general public, so↗

28:29Ian MalcolmNo, and, and the thing that's so interesting about this is I would assume that a lot of the media, and certainly some of those that I've, I've seen, on your project, right? Lots of, of slander and, and libel and all kinds of awful comments made, typically around just, you know, essentially low IQ personal jabs. And the thing that is kind of curious about it is, obviously what you are doing is a high IQ approach to this issue, right? You, you've consulted all the, the right frameworks to make sure that you're doing Right? You're trying to do something that, in all the conversations and all the pieces that I've seen from it, it's from a position of love and protecting the things that you care about. It's not based in hatred or animus for, quote, unquote, others, right? And, and yet all they can do is to screech and basically say, "We don't like that you are doing that thing," which is very curious because I'm, I'm, I'm wondering if you would be able, and, and I'm sure that you've looked into them,↗

29:28Ian MalcolmThose very out groups that you are basically saying we don't wanna necessarily be a part of, whether that's Jewish communities, whether that is Black communities, or maybe others that are defined either by race, religion, nationality or, or some kind of other, division line?↗

29:47Speaker 1Well, our particular structure is relatively unique. I don't know if anyone else has used the combination of a private membership association with an LLC that manages land. There are other, private clubs that manage land directly, and there are other LLCs. So there's no exact analogy, and when we've consulted lawyers, it's kind of been an issue 'cause like no one has really done this before. but the way that we- Put it together was effectively by studying existing laws around discrimination and then making sure that we were in compliance with those laws on a number of points, and we have redundant arguments. So not only like our private associations allowed to do this in many contexts and have historically,↗

30:34Speaker 1so there is precedent on that front. Also, we're not transacting in real estate, because we don't sell deeds to land. so, I mean, no, yeah, no like direct parallel, but there are many communities. Most of them don't go through so much trouble because they're not going to be harassed. If you're a black community, no one really questions it. So they're organized in a bunch of different ways, often informally. Jewish communities are often organized informally because who's going to sue a Jewish community for discrimination? A, who wants to live there actually? And B, well, they have the ADL, they have these institutions where they can fire back. So that's why one of our goals is to be able to fire back and prove that in a case like this, we do have the opportunity potentially to countersue,↗

31:29Speaker 1But yeah, I mean, it's, it's really uncharted territory in a lot of ways. Other groups have done it using some aspects of what we're doing and have done it successfully, and there is precedent there. we've-- what we're doing is actually more robust and combines more facets. and we're actually developing more too for the future. So we'll, we'll incorporate, in addition to the private membership association and like LLC ownership, we'll include trust ownership, we'll include a fraternal benefits Society. So at the end of the day, there's gonna be so many entities between us and them, they won't even be able to keep track of like who to sue, which I think is a good place.↗

32:10Ian MalcolmWell, not only that, but I'm, I'm curious if, because obviously this is going to get a, a good amount of public attention, is there essentially an interest on your part that if, victorious, right? Because obviously this is going to set The stage where if you do win, and they come at you with their full claws out, right, and basically find out that the approach that you've taken is bulletproof. i-is there interest on your end in essentially evangelizing this for other groups, other communities to rinse and repeat or replicate, the, the approach that you've taken? And if so, would it vary state to state? Are there some aspects perhaps of the specific either county or the state in which you're operating that make it unique? Or do you think this is something that could be replicated, knowing that it's essentially been tried and proven, and therefore something that individuals wouldn't have to fear the, the legal aspects of going forward?↗

33:08Speaker 1Right, well, the first part of that, that's what RCTL is for as a whole, is to help other groups do this. We have the lawyers that we have relationships with that have experience in setting up structures like this, and then the administrators of RCTL obviously have the most experience doing this, and so you can simply join the association. Now, we don't wanna keep that information proprietary and not let any other group emulate us. I mean, we talk pretty openly About a lot of what we do. There are still, though, a lot of technical details that, you know, it's hard to wrap your mind around just how many pages of legal documents you have to ultimately generate, and like, you mess up one line and you can jeopardize the success of your whole enterprise and make yourself liable in serious ways. So, yeah, I mean, I've not really recommended other people just give it a go on their own, 'cause I don't think we could have done this Successfully in the first place, if we didn't happen to have a guy show up, our secretary Peter Siri, who already had managed an intentional community for ten years, right? He founded that community, he did all the land transactions, he wrote contracts, he, like, he dealt with legal contracts, he, there are lawyers in his family, my sister's also a lawyer, so like we just happened to have legal backgrounds at some level, and he had a lot of experience In community, I was just the guy who really believed in it. I had like limited experience, but not in the same capacity. And then that's, that was, you know, the starting point, that was floor one. And since then, we have brought on a lot of legal counsel. We've also constantly, people reach out and share legal interpretations and arguments in DMs, and I forward that stuff sometimes to Laura, sometimes to Peter. And so we've really been like crafting a, a- Knowledge base that you need to do this successfully. So we don't exactly have a plan to export it as a package and like just post it as a PDF somewhere, because realistically that could open us up to liability. It could be construed as us ensuring that you're immune to lawsuits, you're immune to prosecution for discrimination if you take our particular approach. but the PMA isn't difficult to join, returntoland dot org You fill out an application, there is a one time twenty five dollar membership due that you pay upfront, and then you're in our chats, and we have a process for getting groups together,↗

35:49Speaker 1our like, community What do we call them? They're like committees for founding new communities, and we have best practices, we have articles that people can read within the organization on how to actually go about doing that. And then past a certain point, we step in and we help out with the paperwork. So I, I definitely, recommend if you're interested in forming communities like this, try at least joining our PTL to get to know our framework first. And, you know, people leave sometimes, there are disagreements Of vision and so forth, but we're also very, very decentralized. And so if you start an RTTL community somewhere in the US or in another country, it's not like I am in charge of it. I have no ownership claim. I have basically nothing to do with the day-to-day operations of that community. And if they decided to disaffiliate with RTTL, well, they would just have their community and that would be that. So people are always free to go their own way. In a lot of ways Our project is libertarian in spirit, you know, and we have a relatively libertarian and, and open framework. of course, we are traditional values, but it's a, a fairly laissez-faire kind of structure here in the first community and also in the organization at large. Like, we're all mature adults, we're not a cult, we're not interested in having,↗

37:16Speaker 1very stringent rules and, you know, I don't need people to bow down and worship or anything. I don't wanna be a cult leader. I actually was in a cult before though, a Chinese cult. I, not because I believed in it, because I worked, for a Chinese ballet company. I played the French horn in an orchestra for Shen Yun. They're ran by, Falun Gong, which is a Chinese cult. So,↗

37:40Speaker 1yeah, I've, I've met the leaders and I'm just not, not thrilled with it. And what did they believe in? What did they believe in? I've never heard of a↗

37:44@joann_marieChinese cult.↗

37:50Speaker 1Falun Gong is pretty interesting. They were banned from China in the early 1990s. Li Hongzhi is the cult leader, and he set up operation in upstate New York, like an hour out of the city. And their beliefs, it's like a fusion system with qigong, Buddhism, some elements that probably come from Hinduism. Effectively, the guy's a bullshitter, you know, and, and a really good extemporaneous speaker, and he's read a lot of like New Age type mystical things, and he gives these long convoluted speeches where he just goes, he just goes off, and like it's not exactly consistent or coherent, but he is, like I said, he's very charismatic powerful speaker and these, these Chinese people, you know, they were friendly. I did like the people I met, and they were relatively healthy. It's all kind of centered around a qigong practice, which is like, it's a-↗

38:50Speaker 1Flexibility exercises more than anything else, and then certain methods of meditation. So I practice that. But anyway, my, my point is I don't, we're-- that's not what we're looking to do ultimately, So, so yeah, if other people want to do it outside of our TTL, we're glad to have relationships and help, but ultimately it is very difficult. To get everything right. If we win, it'll become a little less difficult, right? And then if more communities like this exist and more cases like this come up and more victories happen, well, then we might reach a point where we get positive legislation that allows us to do this without all of the The cost of worrying about the legal side of things. It's like we're not-- we didn't set up this convoluted framework because we're just really into writing legal documents, it's because if you don't do that, you, you could get fined a, a huge amount of money. So, in the future, we might be able to get bills sponsored You know, if government moves in the right direction, that explicitly lay out our right to have private intentional communities. I think the core argument is, what are you allowed to do in the private domain in a private intentional community, and then what are you allowed to do in the public domain? And they should be different things.↗

40:10Speaker 1no Yeah. Well, unfortunately, the actual direction in government is the opposite. In three different states, bills have been proposed. It passed in Texas, and it passed the Hou-House in Pennsylvania, but effectively to prohibit organizations like Return to the Land. And if you actually read those bills, getting into the language, they have obviously read our documents and have looked at our structure and basically are intentionally targeting our structure and prohibiting it out front. Texas, they acted like it was actually about this, Sharia compound, the, now it's called the Meadows, but it was known as, EPIC for a while. So they were pretending like they wanted to ban the, the Muslim compound, and that's how they billed it to the public. But in reality, there was a religious exemption which didn't affect them whatsoever, of course, but now it would be harder to have an RGTIO community in Texas. And then they introduced it in Arkansas, it didn't get out of committee, that- That bill was horribly written and, as stated, would have affected like every hunting club in Arkansas, and so it was just completely untenable. So probably like they looked at the guy who proposed it, realized he was a retard, and said, "Like, go back to the drawing board and, you know, come back when you have something." Pennsylvania, it passed the House, and that was much more explicitly actually about RTTL. That did pass the House, like I said, and we'll see if it's actually ratified. it probably will be. And one of the senators, I think the state senators, even named us and said they didn't, they wanted to make sure, that something like RTTL couldn't exist in Pennsylvania. A- actually, a, an Arkansas legislator also made a similar comment and said about that bill that got shot down that he wanted to ensure that it would apply to us. So,↗

42:06Speaker 1yeah, that's why we need proactive approaches. We really need to build our- Our legal fund so that we can do things proactively against people like that, like legislators who are-- now, they have legislative immunity, unfortunately, but there are still things you can do. You can at least rile people up. We're not an activist organization, so ultimately, we're gonna need a very powerful legal defense organization on our behalf, not just for our TTLO, but for white people, 'cause we see all the injustice constantly. We see the case of obviously, Dalton Etherly and- You know, they're, it's all over the Western world, but, but we have to really be able to bite back when they abuse us, otherwise they're gonna keep stepping all over us. So, I know a couple projects that are in the works, we're, we've not really met with the leaders there, and so I can't endorse one in particular. For a while, I was afraid that we were just gonna have to start one as a side project, but we're already pretty overloaded 'cause there's a lot of facets to RTTL, and then there's also stuff outside Personally do. So, it would have been very overwhelming, but yeah, the other races, the other, groups out there, they organize, they have legal organizations to lobby on their behalf you know, in Congress, obviously, the various caucuses, they have lobbies in a formal sense, and then they have nonprofit organizations of so many different types all to benefit their kind. And we have basically nothing. we're just beginning to organize, and I think fear has really ruled our circles for too long. And also, I don't know, it's like we are, as Europeans, particularly individualistic Ironically, because our countries were so, so homogeneous, more uniform genetically than any other part of the world. It's like the Europeans cluster more tightly together than the Han Chinese do within their own ethnicity, just as one ethnicity. So, and that's partly because of the Catholic Church and banning cousin marriage and stuff and historical developments, but we were a very tight, uniform, homogenous population And we were high trust, and we didn't have outsiders coming in. In the Near East, it was a panoply of different groups that were constantly in competition, so they all developed this strong sense of in-group. We didn't have to, we never had to, right? And so like in the US, that was our very large homogeneous territory, we just haven't had to think about doing something like this. Other races, they've actually evolved in group Strategy and competition like this. so we're catching up, and, well, we do it quickly. I think we're, we're quick studies as a race in general, and, and for a while, like people just didn't know what to do. That was my point, where we thought that marching in the street was basically the only option, and then when people would do it, they would get sued or they would go to jail, and it's like, "Well, well, what are we supposed to do?"↗

45:22Speaker 1Build legal advocacy orgs, build intentional communities in an above board legal way. We actually have a lot of lawyers in the movement, you know, if you ever been to AMREN, like the most represented profession is the legal profession. So, the options have been there and people have had the right ideas, like Jared Taylor has advocated for intentional communities for a long time, it's just I don't know. It's, it's not a habit that our race has been in. So I'm, I'm glad to see that there's more enthusiasm and momentum behind this kind of approach, whether Return to the Land ultimately wins and proves the model and that's how it takes off, or whether, you know, we need to build these legal defense funds and, and organizations to protect people like Chud or so many other cases, like Shiloh's case. You know, we have to get-- and we've done that informally with the Give Send Goes, and right now it's kind of our best option, though unfortunately. But there will come a time, I think in the near future, where we have several pro-white legal organizations, that are actually starting to fight back. So↗

46:39Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, and, was, in a, a conversation, prior to this with, Dr. Recktenwald from, the team over at Azapac, which is essentially now constructed a, a antagonistic towards APAC, political action committee, right? And, and so that is, i-in an essence, it is an awakening to the subversion of which, the animus towards essentially whites, the flooding of their nation with mass migration, all of these other- Illnesses, obviously this is coming from the same root issue, but I bring it up because in the same way that he has built that party, I, I do think that it's perfectly reasonable that within the next couple of years, you will probably see a political group coming forward that is going to codify, these interests and say, "I want to be able to fund either politicians that are directly in favor of or going to take steps to kind of try to push for legislation for the protection of, the, the Western people, whether that's in, in Western Europe or in the United States, I, I think that's absolutely going to happen, and it's only going to be spurred on by some of these atrocities that we're seeing, like this, this stabbing, right, where a English citizen and, and an Englishman, by ethnicity, in his own homeland, stabbed by a foreigner, only for the police to arrive at the scene to handcuff the citizen after he's been stabbed, merely because I suppose they accused him Of, quote unquote, racism, which is just, it's, it's unbelievable that the world has arrived at this, this point, but it, it's simply due to the fact that, that this kind of, you know, on the, on the right, they call it the woke mind virus, that's, I suppose, what MAGA would suggest, but it is Jewish supremacy that has pushed white animus on everybody, white people included, for what it's worth, and, and so I think, you know, as people become more critically aware of the subversion of their politics, of↗

48:39Ian MalcolmProgramming that has been instilled in their own minds, and I think as a result, you're kind of, you're a trailblazer, and, and I, I don't think it's unreasonable at all to suggest that in the next couple of years that there will be, again, not only a, a push for people to return to the land in the literal sense that you're kind of doing so, but, figuratively to try and return America to what it once was by starting to figure out how to protect what is and unwind some of the damage that was done over the last,↗

49:09Ian MalcolmReally, I mean, it's, it's not just that this group of people has taken the reins over control, it's that they've demonstrably imploded the very things that we love and are trying to protect. So, I mean, I think you're absolutely a hero in that regard. I'm, I'm curious what the reaction has been to your project amidst some of kind of the rising racial tensions, especially with this most recent event, and then we'll kind of go down to Michael and forty and Rabbi and so many of the other wonderful, individuals that I know have↗

49:38Speaker 1Yeah, well, at a public level, we do monitor the comments and people are drawing those correlations. You know, like people will bring us up whenever any of these things happen and say, like, "No wonder they want to go and have their own town." usually it happens in conjunction with like stories about black violence, especially. But, yeah, in our circles, definitely the reception has been a lot more positive the further down this road we go. And I totally agree it's not unreasonable to expect in the next couple years, multiple organizations dedicated to the cause. Another thing is people didn't really have the opportunity to join reputable organizations. And everyone was afraid of being thrown in with, you know, deep in the past, as in decades ago, like the skinheads, that was your only option, 'cause feds thoroughly infiltrated the white nationalist movement throughout the eighties and nineties. We were kinda enemy number one at some level. And then the respectable people,↗

50:43Speaker 1like David Duke, ended up being, sidelined and, you know, the media, did their thing against him because people still trusted the media back then. Now it's a totally different game, and alternative media, social media is the predominant news source for most people. So a, you know, a new White ADL, for lack of a, a better term, could rise to the fore and then be something that every pro-white person wants to support and put their name on the rolls of an organization like that, you know, and participate in, if possible. I just interviewed a guy, or we did, on the- RQTL podcast,↗

51:26Speaker 1what's his name, archetype theory on X, he's been promoting the, the Chud case and how we can help, but he developed this framework For basically like incentivizing citizen journalism and political activism in a decentralized way, where you use effectively crypto technology, but you could use different systems to, like, you put some money into a campaign, and then you get people, like, you assign tasks to a large number of people that people can, like, take and take on commission basis, sort of like GitHub for programmers, where you, like, you see all the tasks that need to be completed, and then you- You do what's available. so things like that, like that, it's not marching the streets, it's not harassing anyone, that's something tons of people could get involved in, it could have a political impact, and we're just now, like this year, and hopefully in the coming years, starting to think of these alternative kinds of solutions.↗

52:26Speaker 1and things that people could put their name behind. Everyone's afraid of joining something pro-white because, well, I'll just be destroyed, I'll be doxxed, people-- But like that response is nowhere near as powerful as it used to be. You know, it used to be you could be just shunned from society if it was found out you had a proclivity for your own race. But the more this happens, the more these stories go viral about whether it's black crime or that something like Henry Noack, like- people are kinda getting it, and we're becoming more sophisticated, and the, the organizations of the future in the movement will be ones that all of us will actually feel comfortable joining. And when people try to counsel us for being a member of, like, a pro-white legal advocacy org, we'll say, "Well, what the hell is your problem?" Because there are tons of black legal advocacy orgs and Jewish legal advocacy orgs, and you don't complain about them, and we'll just turn around And show that this is a blatant double standard, and that's the way we're gonna take it back. So, extremely optimistic, but it's not gonna do itself, it's not gonna organize itself, this new wave of,↗

53:38Speaker 1entities to join and become a part of. So right now, like RTTL is out there Right now, there are a limited number of ways to safely get involved, and I think, you know, future organizations even will have a better public profile than RTTL. It's like I, you know, I should post on occasion, and like Peter, our secretary, he's posted some things, he's kind of an edgelord. So I think there will be like very, very clean public image people out there to, to ally with, and that you're not gonna feel uncomfortable if you're buying Finds out about it,↗

54:16Speaker 1and then we win. So.↗

54:19@joann_marieIt sounds like such a wholesome and wonderful movement. I, I really like it. And guys, I forgot in the beginning, please repost this page and follow Ian and Arvo and, and thank you everybody so much for, for being here. And yeah, let's get more people in here.↗

54:34Ian MalcolmYeah, and, and for what it's worth, I, I, I really do sincerely believe that in the same way, you know, that, that we're trying to go out and build these conversations, online and, and to normalize, critiques of Jewish supremacy, right? And the absurd over-representation, the ownership of all these areas and arenas, right? It's, it's an uncomfortable conversation, but the more people are forced and faced with that discussion and the discourse, the more it just finds its way into the lexicon. And, you know, I- I, I, I mention this because, David Nietzsche, who we obviously have a, a, an immense amount of love for, very brilliant man, and I, I hope that he's able to, to pop in here at some point, 'cause I'd love to hear his thoughts on, on your work. But, you, you know, that term Jewish supremacy, he kind of-- he was the first one that I, I heard really hammering that home not too long ago, and now it's, it's finding its way s- into spaces↗

55:34Ian MalcolmSo it's starting to make its way, kind, kind of like an avalanche right down this, this hillside. And I say it because in the same regard, what you guys are doing is normalizing that, hey, it's perfectly reasonable to love your people and your race and your civilization and your heritage and your history. And why isn't that all these other people can do it and openly celebrate? Why, why can men walk through the town square in speedos waving the transgendered flag in front of children? And you're fine with that, but a person saying that they are proud of their, their Roman or Greek or French or German or anything that is white, heritage↗

56:17Ian MalcolmWow, and you know what's beautiful? So that's Andrew Meier on yet another alt, because poor Jew Andrew has nothing better to do with his time than to come into other conversations, 'cause nobody cares what he has to say. so Andrew, next time you're gonna do that, maybe, I don't know, maybe try to sound like you're someone different, so it's not quite so obvious that you're just a really obnoxious Jewish person who has nothing better to do again than disrupt conversations. I'm going to block yet another Andrew. Drew Meier, Alt, man, gotta be embar- embarrassing to have that little to do with your world, but nonetheless, maybe, maybe that has something to do with that famed one thousand and, one hundred and nine number we keep hearing so much about. But, but in all sincerity, I, I think the same way that this idea of Jewish supremacy, that we're normalizing these conversations so much so that a Jew would sit in our little listener panel hoping to come up on the space merely to disrupt things, right? 'Cause we're making a sincere difference, In the same regard, I think that's what you are doing, on this front, right? For the protectionism of white society, of white culture, of white civilization, right? And, and you're gonna get all those slurs the same way that we do for discussing the very architects that are, essentially behind the attack on this very same group of people that we're trying to protect, right? But you're at the front line of it, right? You're doing this face forward, you're doing it in the real world, and for that, I, I can't give↗

57:47Ian MalcolmFor this, and it is, you're, you're a trailblazer. You're normalizing these ideas that in the coming years are, are going to be uncomfortably for those that are the Jewish supremacists, normalized. And so lots and lots and lots of love for that. Let's, let's check in with Mr. Rabbi. I'm very curious for his thoughts on, on everything that is with this project, this lawsuit, and, and everything that they're building.↗

58:08Speaker 2Hi, thanks. yeah, no, I was just gonna say that. Oh, well, I think The reason why you've been able to take this far and the reason why you're getting this kind of, and I think d-deserved, support, is that, the economy is tanking. The, the, the whole world is turning into shit, right? And it's like the reason why none of, y-you people were able to kind of like close their eyes and pretend to, you know, like, no, no, no, we'll, we'll- Those white supremacists are aw-awful people, right? They just, they just are of their race, and they were able to maintain the cognitive dissonance required to like excuse the exact same impulse when it was anybody else except whites, right? That only happened as long as the economy was good. That only happened because people like, "Well, you know, my job is more important than facing the truth head on and representing it accurately to everyone. Because I'm just keeping my head down and, waiting for my next performance review and I wanna make sure I get a good score and then I can maybe get a, you know, promotion and we're good." That's all falling apart now, right? And so like the, the, what you're seeing happening now is, is essentially that level of control is going away, that layer of control is going away because it only works as long as people are getting paid to pretend that the truth isn't the truth. And that only happens when, the economy is allowed to prosper, and it's not being allowed to prosper anymore. The United States is being closed for business,↗

59:36Speaker 2bit by bit. And so this is, this is where, you know, Jews love to pop up and say, "Yeah, of course, every time the, every time the economy falls apart, people love to blame the Jews," which is a scapegoat. And it's really not that. It's that essentially, in, in time like the '80s and '90s in America Jews were basically bribing the entire country, right, to keep quiet, to look away, to pretend like it wasn't happening. They were bribing the entire country to do this by making sure everyone had a job, everyone had some, had their savings, everyone had a nice car, right? Not everyone, but like most people, more people than that anyway. And so The only people that are, are going to speak up against this kind of thing are the people that have nothing left to lose, because they have no reason to stay quiet, because, like, you know, if you have a cushy job and a nice house, you know, you're a part of the community, then you don't want to ruin your reputation by being associated with something that has been, you know, poisoned like a, as thoroughly as white supremacy has, right? Or That white supremacy isn't scare quotes, by the way. White, basically whites. And, now everyone is getting to the point where they have nothing left to lose, and they're rediscovering the truth. And so I think this is actually a, a good thing. I think that,↗

1:01:00Speaker 2the, the truth, for me, is always paramount. you can make any assertion you want, you can say the truth is hateful, you can say the truth is dangerous personally, I, I'm of the camp, I'm the same camp as, I think it was, Justinian, where he said, "Let, justice be done though the heavens may fall." Right? That's where I am on this. Because this is justice. This is, this is just-- That's all it is. And if you wanna consider that justice and truth are hateful, then I'm afraid I'm gonna, I'm just gonna laugh at you, 'cause there's nothing hateful or, or dangerous about the truth. It's only dangerous to evil↗

1:01:41Speaker 2So, I just want to say I support you, and I really hope, that you're able to make, an airtight legal organization where, you can keep doing this, that they can't retroactively, legislate away. And, even if you have to convert everyone to Judaism and create a, a Jewish community And only allow in, your people, quote unquote, right? And you convert them on entry, for example, and then you're shielded because then they would have to basically take away, the charter or the, the reason, the, the legal basis for any Jewish community or NGO to exist in order to take you down, right? So, get creative. Okay. You know what I mean? No,↗

1:02:34Speaker 1yeah, your first point I wholeheartedly agree with. That At that point, at no cults, we're not gonna be the new, Christian identity, we're the real Israelite thing. also, you can be the white↗

1:02:47Speaker 2Hebrew Israelites.↗

1:02:49Speaker 1Yeah, no.↗

1:02:53Speaker 1But religions, people misunderstand this. Religions aren't allowed to racially discriminate, as religions. Like the Fair Housing Act has exemptions for religious organizations, but it specifically says if they relig- rather racially discriminate, then that exemption doesn't apply to them. So people often make the suggestion that you should just create a religion, but it's not as much of an airtight defense as you would think. I think our- The solution is actually more robust from a case law perspective, and it's obviously more a universal principle of justice that's worth standing up for, so we're gonna fight for it, and if it doesn't turn out well for us at the end of the day, then again, I, I basically see the two forks. If we try everything we can to like work within the liberal democracy framework and like respect people's rights, respect our rights Everyone have to learn space, and they don't let us have our own space? Well, then there's basically only one other option. And for me, it's not becoming the white Hebrew Israelites, but, but good thought. The first one, I, I hundred percent agree. that is why this is succeeding now. And like, that's a big reason why we even did this in the first place. It's more affordable if you want a homestead to do it with a bunch of other people. You can get better land. Like, if you wanna buy five acres By yourself, you're gonna end up paying anywhere in the country, well over ten thousand an acre. You know, in some parts of the country, no matter how much land you buy, that's what you pay, like in Idaho and various places. But, if in the Ozarks here, you wanna buy a thousand acres or two hundred acres, then you could still, even today, be paying like less than three thousand an acre. So there's a huge discount on land itself if you get together and You know, buy it as a group. And also, homesteading is difficult, there are a lot of skills involved, and we're defraying the costs that are rising of food and other expenses. We don't have to leave as often because we are more self-sufficient, and we have a huge network of people who are entrepreneurial, who are starting businesses. So there are work opportunities within these communities that can replace dependence on this fake economy↗

1:05:22Speaker 1and, you know, the other thing is like, if you wanna insulate yourself against AI and automation, become a capitalist, right? Because labor, the value of labor goes down as automation increases, the value of capital goes up. So what is the foundational capital? Land. Okay? It's like the ultimate security. So we start from a good foundation, we help each other, we- Cut costs, and ultimately I think it can be scaled, and we've, we haven't really, you know, explored the possibilities with that yet, but it can be scaled to be something that becomes more competitive than the mainstream because of all the technologies that exist today. It's like there are CNC machines for wood, steel, stone, like any kind of artisan craft you can get into, even without all of this background, you don't have to go to technical college. There are now Like YouTube t-tutorials to learn how to program in, you know, CAD design and stuff. And so, there also is gonna be more stuff that the military-industrial complex will need from decentralized manufacturing. So it's not even like you have to be antagonistic to the system. I think just think there are so many possibilities economically that with all the people in the movement, if we just talked and organized and started working together, like, we can beat the rest of them, but regardless of whether we get- Get political power or not. If we're allowed to do our own thing, well, we've built all the best civilizations in all of history, so probably we're, we can do it again.↗

1:06:59Speaker 2Nice, excellent. then, that sounds great. That sounds like you've got, you've got it. I still don't understand exactly how you've been arranged. But, it seems to like that there should be a way around this. There should be, like, either by identifying, you're setting yourself up like as a corporation, which I don't know if that's what you've done or not. Corporations, for example, do have discretion over who they hire And then maybe everyone can be employees. You don't have to discriminate based off of purely racial, ethnic lines. You can be looking for a certain,↗

1:07:32Speaker 2you know, what Harvard does, where they have a, a certain what they call a Harvard quality. You know what I mean? You can be looking for a back-to-the-land quality, and you don't have to define that. You don't have to say exactly what that is, but it comes out through a series of interviews with candidates, and then you kind of make a decision by the board, right? So there can, there's↗

1:07:51Speaker 1Yeah, we don't wanna be indirect. We just wanna say, like, we want a community for people of European heritage, period. And the way we do it, we have a private association that we're all members of, and then we have a private company that owns the land here, and it's an invite-only private community. You're allowed to have a private community based on whatever criteria. And if people think it's legally ambiguous, well, our case will decide that. So that's what we're fighting for.↗

1:08:17Speaker 2All right, so you're all set. Basically, it's, it's a Private only, then you're not opening up to the public and you're not discriminating because people only coming in when you specifically ask them to come in.↗

1:08:31Speaker 1Well, that's the thing, like we-- Do we discriminate? Kind of, yeah, of course we do, because we're, we're a private community though, and we're allowed to. Private clubs can discriminate.↗

1:08:43Speaker 2Yeah. I mean, you're, you're only discriminating and moving↗

1:08:45Speaker 1this taboo. It's like, oh, we're not discriminating. No, like we should all have discrimination. Everyone discriminates about a bunch of things In some contexts, the government has a duty to protect citizens' access to markets, right? And so when it comes to like hotels and whatever, yeah, you don't necessarily want some black-- This is the argument why they passed like even the Civil Rights Act in the first place and put in these anti-discrimination laws, 'cause that black guy shouldn't be like shunned from every hotel. Like, you can understand hotel owners why they would do that, but it is kind of an issue if he's an American citizen, he should have access to markets just like everybody else. But there's a difference between Public markets and public commerce in the private domain, and that's what's been lost, and that's what we're bringing back.↗

1:09:28Speaker 2Exactly, exactly. And like for example, it sounds like you could actually end up, you could actually end up-- I don't know if this would make you like, you know, in-- like, in, immune or, or protected, but if your organization set up The same, and your entrance, your entrance qual-crit-criteria is exactly the same as other highly protected, highly influential organizations like, for example, the Freemasons. Then the closer you get to the way they do their work, the government knows they can't take you down without taking them down as well and making them legally. Vulnerable, you know what I mean? Like the Freemasons are invite only.↗

1:10:05Speaker 2you know, other things like, what is it, Chabad, Chabad Lubavitch is invite only, right? You have certain criteria. That's not, that's a religious organization, but it's not, it's not the religion itself, right? It's still an organization. And so If you do this right, you could actually force the government or, you know, Jewish lawyers, whatever, into a really, really hard decision, right? Kind of a Sophie's choice. It's like, do they attack you or do they set a legal precedent that makes their organizations now vulnerable to being taken down?↗

1:10:45Speaker 1Yeah, totally. that was part of our approach is look at the specific history of cases like this, and we looked at all the case law, we looked at the decisions where So the story there is basically after the Civil Rights Act, a bunch of places reorganized as private clubs in order to qualify for various exemptions, and then the courts shot them down for different reasons. And so we looked at all those reasons and made sure that we were, you know, not,↗

1:11:16Speaker 1guilty of the same things, I guess. And then, as far as like looking at Their organizations and structuring in a similar way, I think we are-- there is some similarity with how the Freemasons operate, but ultimately, you know, we've done our research that we can as far as case law, it's enough of a uncharted territory kind of issue where we're really going to be determinative going forward, and I think the judge even might recognize that, and, you know, we're, we're Americans, we value freedom, I think it- At our heart of hearts, we all feel like, okay, it's their private land, they should be allowed to do what they want there. I think that's gonna win out. I think most Americans feel that way. and even if this judge feels differently, he is-- we know who the judge is, he's an Obama appointee, white guy, but he's someone who rules by the book as a rule. So I'm, I'm curious to see what happens. But even if he decides against us, well, we will appeal, we'll go up, and this Supreme Court is In my lifetime that this could, this case could come before, so, you know, hope, hopefully it doesn't have to go that far, but if it does, I think our odds are good.↗

1:12:31Speaker 2Nice, yeah. I think, I think, this is the best situation, this is the best time for you to do this too, the best Supreme Court you can get, so, good luck, man. I'm praying for you.↗

1:12:40Ian MalcolmWell, and, and Rabbi, also curious for your thought, one of the comments that, that he made is that the, the thing that's really interesting here is this idea that, if this is determined to be unreasonable, right? If, if, if the, let's say Jewish provocateur that is, filing suit and the courts are so corrupt and so poisoned and so, let's say, they, they have such animus towards whites doing anything and everything to say, "I'm going to legally buy this land," " Try and form a business to go through all these hoops so that I can rightfully do this thing, which is just disconnecting myself from other people. That if that can't be successful, then it really does give kind of no other option than for people to start suggesting, okay, well then the entire system is clearly at such odds with white interests that there is no way around the onslaught of mass migration, diversity, and modernity, right? Which would beget a very Comfortable reality that there's got to be something more extreme in opposition to it, not advocating, of course, for it. But, but what are your thoughts on, on that reality where, where he's really put them in a bind, where if he wins, well, then great, right? It gets to continue, expand, flourish, et cetera. If losing, well, then it shows how absurd this problem that we're all, you know, continuously discussing, how prevalent it is.↗

1:14:05Speaker 2Well, it's, it's interesting because in a way, and I stay with me for a minute here, 'cause this is gonna get wild, but in a way, we are kind of archetypically reenacting the early, Christian church And I say that because during the early Christian Church, our main enemies were, the Jewish religion. Everyone was trying to kill us. Everyone was literally trying to kill the Christians because we were like this. We were at bottom of the ring, we were completely like the low dog, we were vulnerable. It was mainly, just peasants, slaves. It was a very popular religion among slaves, and slaves have no power. And it got to the point where we were being thrown to lions in the Colosseum and being killed and devoured for the- Entertainment of the pagans and the Jews. And the crazy thing was that,↗

1:14:56Speaker 2we allowed ourselves to be killed. You know, we didn't fight back because that was Christians do. It's like, you believe in God, you believe in heaven, and you say, "Well, this is, this is, what God wants, and I'm gonna accept it and I'm gonna go." And the crazy thing is that we became the dominant religion very soon after that because people watching us Be brutally killed, you know, brutally, brutally persecuted,↗

1:15:22Speaker 2for nothing, right? They began to get sympathies for us, that we gained a ton of sympathy, and so people like Henry Noack, which is, I, I don't even know how to say that, but like that's one of the most egregious cases I've seen in my lifetime, where he, yeah, he died, but- He is now this kind of like early Christian church, he's now a Christ figure because he died↗

1:15:49Speaker 2to basically wake up the rest of us. You know, he died, and his death is going to catalyze, awakenings in people that wouldn't have done so without his death. and so, you know, he's creating, he's created a legacy for himself, and I think our role is creating a legacy as well. I think that we are, we're living out this archetypical,↗

1:16:15Speaker 2Christian persecution phase again, in twenty twenty-six of all times, which is absolutely nuts. Literally two thousand years afterwards, after the fact. And, The outcome will be the same. It's, the outcome is, it's, it's people are going to notice, people are going to see, wait a minute, these people aren't hateful people, they're not bad people. They're not mean, they just wanna live. That's all they want. They, like, and, and we're seeing all of this, we're seeing the full weight of the legal system, of, Jewish capital, all these mil- all these billionaires, right, coming out And throwing everything they have at them like this huge wave trying to pummel down, like, you know, a, a small bird at a beach or something, and people are gonna realize that something is wrong here. And, and that's,↗

1:17:11Speaker 2it's one of these pyrrhic victories because there's gonna be a lot of sacrifices that are made, but just like the sacrifices in the Roman arena,↗

1:17:21Speaker 2those sacrifices will buy victory, I think. So, yeah, that's, that's my thought on it.↗

1:17:28@joann_marieAnd Arvind, when is the court date or when do you think it's gonna be over?↗

1:17:35Speaker 1there's not a court date yet. We have to file our response. We have twenty-one days from today, I believe, according to Arkansas law. to file that, and so we'll probably file-- it's gonna be a while. We'll probably file for an extension to make sure that we have all of our ducks in a row, and, it's gonna be several months until significant updates, I would say.↗

1:18:03@joann_marieI, I wish you all the best. And no, it does sound like such a wholesome and great community. Like it's insane how they want to destroy everything that's beautiful, and, yeah.↗

1:18:15Speaker 1Yeah, and I agree it is like the early Christians, you know, who they created communities, they were persecuted, and those communities spread. They were also similarly interested in kind of performing a lot of the functions of government and taking care of one another and lifting each other up. And then, like high profile people, people with, status and wealth started seeing that and realizing, "Okay, there's another way to go here than this system that is becoming..." come, you know, this, metastasized into this obviously, unjust thing.↗

1:18:52Speaker 1So yeah, it starts with the communities, it starts at our level, and then we provide that example of Justice and trying to do what's right and beauty and so forth as best as we can, and that'll finally inspire the people who can make a real political difference. So again, it's not just the communities. Look at the, the Christians, they started with communities and then they took over the Roman Empire.↗

1:19:18Speaker 2Yep, yep. And, real quick, one more thing that I wanted to note because it is really, really hot news and breaking news, I'm seeing it all over the place now, is that, the Because of the, you know, what do you call-- whether you want to call it the Great Awakening or what, because of this access to information that we have, people are waking up to all kinds of injustice now. The, the, the hot new, thing that's going on right now is this, Brix and Minifigs case That I've been seeing all over my YouTube feed, where the Mormon Church, we, we don't talk about the Mormons very often, but the Mormon Church is acting very similar to this other church that we all talk about, and they've managed to,↗

1:20:03Speaker 2they, th-this guy basically went to try and get this other guy's Lego collection back from a store, and in the process of doing so, ended up exposing essentially a Mormon mafia that operates And has taken over the police department, or departments, across, parts of Utah, I think in Oregon, and who knows, God knows how many other parts around the country, and that's all coming crashing down. So this is definitely the right time to stick to the truth because it will get out, it will get out, and,↗

1:20:39Speaker 2I thoroughly recommend if you, if you can, start getting your, getting your process out on YouTube, in a way that's obviously legally safe for you, but start letting people know, getting into people's YouTube feeds, getting into people's TikTok feeds, that kind of thing, right? get people, get people to know you, to sympathize with you, because that is, it's, it's gonna cause a huge wave, I think. People are waking up very, very quickly now.↗

1:21:10Speaker 1Yeah, good advice.↗

1:21:12@allegedly_fortiwe will definitely- Travis, can I mention something about, something you said about the wave?↗

1:21:18Speaker 2Why don't you let Arvind finish his sentence first and then-↗

1:21:21Speaker 1No, I was actually done. Definitely good advice. I don't really like selling myself, and unfortunately, we don't have another media spokesperson. like, I'm, I'm comfortable talking about my ideas on my own platforms, but like clips and, I'm welcome to do, or I'm happy to do interviews, but it's like, oh, but trying to show myself is just really, really- But here's the thing,↗

1:21:47Speaker 2you don't have to, you don't have to show yourself. Like, li- like, listen, the, the- The key is, like, you're, you're basically, you don't have to market the idea of returning to land. It's like, it's like content marketing, okay? You, you just wanna get people to become comfortable with you, right? And you want to offset the impression that people are being fed through their television sets of you being a hateful kind of like torch carrying white nationalist. And the way to do that is to create content about Basically all these other wholesome things that you're doing, like you're not, you're being forced to concentrate on this one aspect, on this racial exclusion aspect, right? But that's not all there is about you, right? There's also, the farming techniques, there's, traditional life, there's this kind of like community life angle, there is like, you could, look at people like create baking YouTube channels, right? Channels about how to, how to homestead, about farming, and completely stay away from like the legal- Battle or whatever, and that essentially all becomes a, a halo effect that then helps you in the legal battles.↗

1:22:59Speaker 1Yeah, I hear that. Actually tomorrow is gonna record, one of the guys homesteads here, who's all into like traditional crafts and things like that. So, a hundred percent, yeah, we, we'll do more of that.↗

1:23:16Speaker 2I'm sorry, I interrupted Sean before you jumped in. Go ahead, Sean.↗

1:23:21@allegedly_fortiNo, yeah, I heard, brother, I heard you say something about the wave and like creating a wave, and it's like, you don't create a wave if you don't know how to surf it. That's basically the comment I wanted to make. And I saw the topic to the "Return to the Land," and I was just, I don't know if you guys addressed that, but I was wondering, like, what does "Return to the Land" mean?↗

1:23:43Speaker 1Okay, so that's our association. Return to Land is a private membership association for people of European heritage. one of the things we do is foster the creation of intentional communities. We have one intentional community here in Arkansas in the Ozarks. And we're being sued, so that's, the reason for the space today to update people on the lawsuit and what's going on and what it all means and where it could go. So it's less about the land, although we do believe that, it's important for many reasons to reconnect with nature. Like our view is that society as a whole has failed in so many different ways that you can't just get in there and change the president or- Change some aspect of government and fix it. It's, it's beyond repair. A lot of- So the message is↗

1:24:36@allegedly_fortibasically kind of like to return to mother nature sort of thing, kind of?↗

1:24:41Speaker 1the message is like, let's restart from scratch and build a better society, you know, according to our traditions, you know, in line with our traditions.↗

1:24:56@joann_marieAll right, thank you so much for coming up, Sean. Forte, welcome. How are you?↗

1:25:02@allegedly_fortiJoanne, I had one-- can I ask you one more question? I'm sorry.↗

1:25:05@joann_marieSure.↗

1:25:05@allegedly_fortiSo I know you auditioned for the rat in the Nutcracker. Would you, cast me for the Sugar Plum Fairy?↗

1:25:13@joann_marieAre you talking to me?↗

1:25:14@allegedly_fortiYeah, I'm talking to you.↗

1:25:16@joann_marieI, I wasn't ca- I mean, I didn't do a casting, I, I was in, in the-↗

1:25:21@allegedly_fortiYou told me you were in, in the- Yeah, I↗

1:25:23@joann_mariewas, I was a rat in, in the Nutcracker when I was little, but I didn't- Okay, well, I, I don't do ballet anymore, but thank you so much for the Nutcracker. Jo-Joanne, Joanne's↗

1:25:33Ian Malcolmgot the suitors coming out left and right, they're coming from every↗

1:25:40@joann_marieNo, Sean, do-go to ballet classes and you can do it. Take one day a week. Go to ballet↗

1:25:45@allegedly_forticlasses and I'll get back to you.↗

1:25:47@joann_marieAlright, amazing. I,↗

1:25:49Ian MalcolmI've gotta ask, Sean, what song would you dance to as part of the tryouts for Joanne's, I guess, production?↗

1:26:00@allegedly_fortiOh man, that's a, that's a good one. I gotta think about that because for her, I gotta, I gotta pull off an all-time performance, but let me, I, I mean, the Sugar Plum Fairy, that song from The Nutcracker.↗

1:26:11Ian MalcolmOkay, so you'd pull one directly from there. I, I wasn't sure if there'd be some, some, some Magic Mike action from, from Sean every time. Well, I could do that too, but I charge extra for that.↗

1:26:20@joann_marieYeah, I don't wanna see that.↗

1:26:24Ian MalcolmAlright, well, let's go to forty, but Sean, thank, thank you for the, thank you for the fun there.↗

1:26:30@nance726Yeah, yeah, good evening everybody. First of all, I'm upset, Joanne, I was not contacted about this play. I don't know if you just don't think I have that great of a singing voice, you're hurt I'm un-uncoordinated, but, you know, a little bit- Forty,↗

1:26:42@joann_marieI was like six and there is no singing in the Nutcracker song.↗

1:26:47@nance726Oh, then I would definitely not. If you guys start singing randomly, you guys would hate me. Alright, that's fine, I'm, I'm not meant for it. but, really I wanted to come up here and, just let, let Arvind know, you know, we're talking about all this and, first Rabbah, I thought that I'd deal with, you know, looking at the different aspects of, you know, like different YouTube channels and different things they're doing. I think that's a great way to go about↗

1:27:13@nance726And, I think that's, I think that's a really great way to do some PR and maybe even just bring some other people into the fold, makes a little bit more approachable. so I definitely love that idea. And if you guys do have, you know, farms, and, and, that kind of stuff, even, you know, goods that, people that are making, or if you might wanna check out, we did a space with a Mulberry Tree app, and,↗

1:27:40@nance726they're an app that, It's like a, you know, it's an app to connect farmers and gardeners and tradesmen and all of that. So, and she's, you know, she's definitely, you know, on our, on our side of things, and that might be a great place for you guys to try to reach out and make some other connections through there as well.↗

1:27:57@nance726But what I really wanna let you know, man, is that, you know, I come into all kinds of different spaces, you know, different sides of the JQ or, or, you know, the political, the polisphere, and, you know, people from the Christians, the people who are more the pagans, the people with HD, and, even some of the, you know, the, you know, the blacks and Mexican people who are, you know, are awakened aware, and, man, everybody has something good to say about you. You're probably one Of, Return to the Land, and with, how, you know, charged everything is, and all these little fallouts and different groups, I think that speaks a lot to your character, and I just wanted to let you know that, you, you and your movement are spoken very highly of, in all the, in all the circles.↗

1:28:41Speaker 1Well, thanks, man. That's great to hear.↗

1:28:45Speaker 1I try to be friendly, and accept invitations if people wanna talk. I try to be open, but, At some level, it feels very-- it's odd, you know, I've never gotten this much attention. I've been online for a long time, I talked about more like niche, intellectual things, science and anthropology, and so that's my YouTube channel was about theories and, you know, some politics, but not like contemporary news cycle politics. And now, yeah, it's like, it's everywhere and people recognize me,↗

1:29:17Speaker 1and I'm, I'm trying to cope with it. I guess it's fine, but yeah. Good to hear, thanks.↗

1:29:26@joann_marieYou're doing a wonderful job, Arbel. Turkey, welcome. Go for it. Oh, hi.↗

1:29:37Speaker 3Hey, good evening.↗

1:29:38Speaker 4Hello.↗

1:29:41Speaker 3Good evening. Yeah, so you know what, returning to the land. I don't think there's anyone that's more qualified to speak about that than, Curtis over here. He has his homestead, and, man, is he doing a great job. And, rest in peace to his wife, by the way, who passed away like, like a year ago, something like that, half a year ago.↗

1:30:10Speaker 3But, yeah, Curtis is, Curtis is doing what you- we, we should all be doing. Which is, you know, building a homestead, doing gardening, creating a, a life that's, sustainable, a little bit away from the city. And, he's doing a fantastic job. So when it comes to returning to the land, I think, Curtis is awfully qualified for that.↗

1:30:42Speaker 1Yeah, it's true, we've spoken, and, Curtis helps other people as well. He's very generous with the, the wealth of knowledge that he's built up. So, Curtis Stone.↗

1:30:53Speaker 3Yeah, he is. He's very generous with his wealth of knowledge. Awesome guy.↗

1:31:00Speaker 3I send↗

1:31:00@joann_mariehim a mic if he wants to come up. Yeah, Curtis is awesome.↗

1:31:04Speaker 3And that's what we should all be doing, you know? Even, even if you get a trailer Even if you get a small piece of land, just anything at this point is better than renting, I would think, because you actually own something.↗

1:31:22Speaker 1It's↗

1:31:22Speaker 3easier together, so.↗

1:31:24Speaker 5That's true. Hey, thanks for the shout out, guys. I was just, hanging out in the home here listening, and, appreciate the shout out. Eric, it's been pretty cool to- Keep up with you guys, and, yeah, I've been sending out messages of support for you on this silly lawsuit that's going on, but, you know, the thing that I'm--↗

1:31:52Speaker 5I don't know, I've been saying this for so many fucking years, but I think like, 'cause there's guys like you, and you guys have done a lot, you-- what you're doing is so important. You know, it really is It's really one of the only things we can do now. I mean, the political situation around the world, we're all in the same boat. People like in their respective countries like to talk shit about their respective countries, you know? Americans like to talk about how fucked America is, and Canada likes to-- Canadians like to talk about how fucked Canada is, but we're all-- it's all in the same shit. We're all under assault from these fucking parasites, and they're not gonna stop. And, I think for the most part, they've got it in the bag. And I think a big part of why they don't really care about us talking about the JQ and stuff anymore is that it's like we're in a race, and they're-- we're just getting, we're just starting, and they've gone past the finish line on, on lap number three. So they just, they don't care anymore. because they've got the system of control in the bag, but where they can't control us is when we take agency over our lives through the resources that we need to live, our food, water, and our shelter and our energy systems. And what you guys are doing is a perfect example Of, of how that can be done.↗

1:33:20Speaker 5I've actually been working on a project to, set up a couple of these communities, modeling your stuff, and what you guys are doing. We're looking to do one in Canada, in British Columbia here, fairly close to where I live, and then another one in Central America. So I've been evaluating, places like Belize and, And Panama, to do something down there, for me, it's just like a place to winter. I don't really wanna leave my country,↗

1:33:52Speaker 5but I see a lot of demand for this kind of thing, and I think these can be done anywhere. And, there's a lot of working, models of it in many ways, like if you look at a lot of the traditional cultures, like, you know, the, the Mennonites and Quakers and, and stuff like that. I mean, down in Belize, there was ten thousand Canadian Mennonites that moved down there in one block, and they're not the best examples of regenerative farming, not like Amish, but, I've been learning about these guys, and they essentially went in and negotiated with the Belgian government as a block and said, "We want this and this and this," and these guys are basically an autonomous community So whether you're down with going to Central America or not doesn't matter. The point is, is that when we come together in large numbers and we're resourceful and we have a track record of being resourceful, it gets attention and people listen. And the fact that these guys operate, there's, there's a whole community down there and there's a few different blocks of them But they do whatever they want, they don't pay taxes, they have their own special rules that they've negotiated with the government. It's pretty amazing actually, it's pretty inspiring. And so, yeah, I'm learning a bit about that, but, yeah, I didn't, I didn't come into the space to talk at all actually, but I got, I got brought up and I appreciate it, but, I'll sit back and listen.↗

1:35:22Speaker 3The fun part about the Brazilian government is that,↗

1:35:25@joann_mariewait, hold on, Arvold wanted to say something and then I'll go back to you, okay?↗

1:35:31Speaker 1Oh yeah, that is one of the advantages of being in a large group, you just have a lot more bargaining power for actually finding and buying land, bringing in experts, influencing local politics, whether it's a Central American state or whether it's a county in the US. Curtis, we also have members in Canada, I think- I think we talked about,↗

1:35:53Speaker 1if-- I don't know if you signed up for our detail or not, but definitely some of the Canadians are looking for options 'cause it's one of the most difficult places, as you know, to do something like this. The legal situation is, is tough and- You know, it's so spread out, there are so few canadi- actual Canadians, and you have this massive territory to negotiate. So, the more we can group together and have large groups, the more bargaining power we have, the more skills we have, expertise, and, and resources. So, I'm all for- Absolutely.↗

1:36:25Speaker 5You know what, though, it's, it depends where you are in Canada. Canada's a big country like the US. it's not hard here, actually. Because I've been working in the law for a number of years now, and I'm not like a, I'm not a lawyer or anything, I'm just a guy who started reading the- I mean, I operate with what I do in BC, I, I do whatever I want, no permits, no nothing.↗

1:36:53Speaker 5British Columbia actually, despite-- if you listen to the alternative media, the mainstream alternative media, and you just listen to all the doom stuff, you'd think that everything's fucked, but it's actually not. really where Canada is for the most part is, it's not a real country. It's basically a corporation. I mean, the US is a corporation too, but it, it doesn't have any real sovereignty, and in that, the government doesn't actually have any real force. When you understand the system and what the laws state We can do a lot of things here. We have basically an anarchist state with the illusion of a government, and so I've been able to do everything I've wanted to do on my property, build multiple homes, do all kinds of stuff, they can't do anything about it. And so when you understand the system, you can do a lot. And so, yeah, that's what I would say to that, is like, there's actually a ton of opportunity in Canada. and I think it will eventually join the US, and when that happens, there might be even more opportunity here because most people will leave, they'll go to the US, 'cause why would you stay here if you just go to the US and live for cheaper and live somewhere warmer? So I think there's actually a lot of opportunities on the horizon here as a result of that, as people leave and↗

1:38:11Speaker 5So I'm, yeah.↗

1:38:13Speaker 1Well, that's good to hear. Yeah, I mean, definitely share some of that information with our Canadians, 'cause a lot of them are pretty blackballed, and I don't, like, I wanna encourage them to keep trying, but I'm like, man, I wouldn't wanna do it. I have a good friend in British Columbia who homesteads, and she bought like two hundred acres, pretty close to the coast, and like, he had to get permits for every stream crossing, and he was held up for months by environmental agencies, and, I, she cut off. Okay,↗

1:38:52@joann_marieTurkey, go for it.↗

1:38:55Speaker 3Yeah, the fun part about the Belizean government is that, money talks for them. They're pretty fucking corrupt. So if you have enough money, you can kind of do whatever you want. I mean, look at, what's his name? John McAfee? He bought them like a bunch of assault rifles, and then like he had like full access to, essentially,↗

1:39:19Speaker 3like the, the police force there. So if you wanna set something up, I think police is, a pretty good place for that.↗

1:39:32Speaker 5Yeah, I heard, I didn't, I didn't realize McAfee was down there. I think I cut out when, Eric was telling me about his friend in BC. You know what it comes down to is, in a nutshell, the system is so compartmentalized and everybody in it is compartmentalized, and so bureaucrats don't actually know the law. And, yeah, I, I've heard this story a hundred times, like when I was doing a lot of my agricultural consulting in my earlier days of my career, I wasn't in the truther space, but I was just like, you know, consulting on farms and helping people make their farms more profitable.↗

1:40:07Speaker 5I heard this stuff all the time, and then I started actually reading the codes, and I just found that it's all just a big bluffing game. It's like everybody's sitting around a, a, a card table, and everybody wants you to think they got a royal flush, but everybody has nothing, and so it's just a big bullshit game. yeah, a beer cart will tell you, "You must do this, you must do that," but when you actually read the codes and find out where they go to the end of the line as what's the last thing they can do if you don't comply with their bullshit,↗

1:40:38Speaker 5it's Incredible, especially in BC. BC is unlike all the other provinces, believe it or not, even though it's left wing out here, but on, on the legal side, it's a joke. They don't, they have very little way to enforce anything, and people are freaking out about Indian bands taking their lands now, but it's like if the province can't enforce the laws, how the hell is an Indian band gonna enforce the laws? So it's basically a joke. And so, yeah, I mean, if you ever wanna connect me to your friend, I'd be happy to. To help 'em. there's, yeah, yeah, I live in an interesting space with this 'cause I see a lot of things that people dismiss because we're so controlled by the algorithm today. It's just like they just want us to be all pissed off and, and just like thinking that everything's fucked and just blackpilled and just doomed out, but- It's like that's, that's, that's part of the, their trick, that's part of the psyop, is to make you think it's all hopeless, so you don't do it, and you just give up and say, "Oh, fuck, I might as well just go to the city and fucking take the booster and, you know, and just fucking go along to get along." That's what they want you to do. But that's That's just not the reality if you actually peel back the layers and look, but most people just don't, and so, I don't know, I'm, I, I don't care to convince people of one thing or the other, but I just try to live by example and be like, "Well, look how I'm living. I'm doing everything I want on this homestead. I've had no limitations whatsoever, and I'm in the most left-wing province in Canada. And how is that possible?" It's because the system is a joke. But at the end of the day, enforcement comes down to the people you're surrounded with. So if you wanna live in a highly populated area and you're surrounded by a bunch of Karens, yes, you'll have constant complaints. But this is what's great about British Columbia, it's mountains and dirt roads. So like, I'm on a mountaintop, nobody can see what I do, nobody cares, and nobody bothers me. I have been bothered, but I'm able to deal with that, and they leave me alone. And so- Yeah, I'm, I'm optimistic, and I think, I think what you guys are doing is a huge,↗

1:42:41Speaker 5is a huge inspiration. I've been modeling, building a model on what you guys are doing, Eric. I'm trying to do it more on a trust, 'cause we've got a pretty cool trust process we can do up here. 'cause our tr- BC can actually have trusts on title, so a trust can actually own the property, and then you can put a board of trustees in and whatnot. Similar model to what you guys are doing, that's what we're looking to do, and we might be able to do it in Belize as well.↗

1:43:09Speaker 1Yeah, well, we're very decentralized, you know, we're looking to incorporate trusts as well, but our Canadian members could definitely use your help if you didn't wanna sign up and link up with them.↗

1:43:20Speaker 5Yeah, totally, totally. I'd be happy to.↗

1:43:25@joann_marieAlright, amazing. This, this is such a great conversation. And guys, please repost this space and follow Ian and Arvold and Courtney. Everyone in the panel is just brilliant, and thank you so much for being here. Alright, Truth Seeker, welcome, go for it.↗

1:43:40Speaker 6Hello, hello, hello. Yeah, Ian, you always get the best guests. Now I get to see, Arvold here? Geez. yeah, well, it's good to meet you. I actually didn't find out about your, your, your, what you're doing until TMZ covered you last year. it was actually pretty funny watching it showed up on the internet, so I just started to listen to you and, you know, you're speaking to the, the, the head of TMZ there, and he's like trying to, he's technically trying to gaslight you. He's like, "Can I move there?" And you're like, "Uh, no, you're not European I thought that was funny when I heard that. And, and, and you, I think it was you that he was talking to, you were like, "Well, they're, they're, they're making it in, their own community in Atlanta, and no one's really, y'all, y'all praising them. So what's the difference between us and them?" And I, I thought that was the greatest, 'cause he didn't even have anything after that to say. He just started, he started slumbering at that point. So it's good to meet you,↗

1:44:43Speaker 6So I always loved, I loved the idea of what you're doing. Technically, what you're doing is already being done, across the country, you know, gated communities, as I brought up, private, clubs. And, you know, I go around rural places a lot, and, you know, you see nothing but just, just European, based people there, essentially like little to no minorities, no Hispanics or Blacks, right? So they, they technically do exist, but the fact that you guys are being highlighted because you decide to be public about it,↗

1:45:12Speaker 6And I, I think the reason why they're all upset at you about it is because you basically got off the plantation. That's what you guys are doing. you know, they call it white flight, right? But y'all, what y'all doing is y'all getting out of the cities, and the cities are technically the plantation of the, lead, you can call it the Jews, right, essentially. And so they're angry at that. And then now you have like, I, I remember seeing an article of the, the Jewish woman is going after you like, " Make communities for themselves, and then suddenly you guys, you guys, not anyone else, like, there's no other race who's angry at you guys. Like, whenever, like a Europeans, like, I like to use Europeans, even I don't like using white and black anymore, right? whenever you guys try to make your own space, like, African Americans, for instance, we're not gonna, we don't care, right? We like, and, you know, Hispanics don't care. If anything, they love that. They're like, "Okay, you↗

1:46:10Speaker 6I think only Jews and Indians are the only ones who are like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, why can't we go join you guys? We wanna come too, right?" So I think what you're doing is great, it's calling out all the hypocrisy, it's showing all the irony, And I also love that you're organizing, because I think strength in numbers is important. Like all this culture we're going through is just basically separating everyone. We've not- we've tried to experiment with diversity, it doesn't work. We need to go back to- we all need to go back to our roots, we need to go back to our cultures, us. Like I w- I wanna build my African American community again, basically, so we can have that strong, power that we had back in the '60s and the '70s before, civil rights destroyed↗

1:46:56Speaker 6Like, I guess you can call it sort of a segregation, but I don't wanna call it that either, because we are gonna still be sharing and trading with each other, right? That's kinda what we wanna still do. We just wanna-- We wanna, we care, we wanna care more about our people now, and I think that we need to go back to what worked, essentially. So, do you have any thoughts about that?↗

1:47:15Speaker 1Yeah, 100%, I feel the same way. I think people are healthier when they're surrounded by people who share their ancestry and values and who they can easily understand and get along with. Afro Man feels the same way, and he endorsed TTYL, that was awesome. so yeah, and that TMZ interview was pretty funny. That was the first and last live mainstream media interview they did with me, and then they realized, okay, that's not gonna work. We're gonna have to record him for three hours, clip like the very worst things, and then spin it.↗

1:47:48Speaker 1but yeah, man. I think that the more people do this, the more People will feel emboldened to step outside of this, this kind of system that no one's really satisfied with. Like people don't know their neighbors, or they don't, they're not, they don't feel safe in their own communities. The, the schools, you can't really trust what the teachers are given to your kids, and, you know, they're spreading all sorts of trans stuff behind parents' backs, and it's, it's stacked up for so long, and the trust in institutions is at such a low point that I think we're, we're reaching a tipping point where more and more people of all different backgrounds are going to want to seek solutions like this, and, you know, return to the land, our association is particular to people of European- Heritage, but we're glad to work with other groups who also wanna have their own communities and have, you know, a legal defense fund for the rights of all Americans to have communities of their own. Now, like you rightly point out, they don't really step in and try to shut it down when black people do it,↗

1:48:57Speaker 1although of a certain type they will. It's like, I don't think the Jews are very kind to Louis Farrakhan and his community ambitions, but if it's innocuous, if it's something where they're, they're still kind of with- Within the plantation, they're still acting as the puppets of the regime, then they'll endorse it. But, but increasingly, I think the, the type of either black nationalism or, or different groups that wanna do their own thing, it's, you know, we're seeing past the Jewish tricks, frankly.↗

1:49:31@joann_marieAll right. Thank you so much for coming up, and I love what you said, Ted Sicker. Correct, welcome, go for it. Go for↗

1:49:38Speaker 7it. Hey, long time no see.↗

1:49:41@joann_marieNo, you're, you're like, you're like,↗

1:49:44Speaker 7super quiet. Am I better now? Can you hear me?↗

1:49:46@joann_marieYou're still like, and I hear myself. Recycle↗

1:49:49Speaker 7me, recycle me. Alright, alright.↗

1:50:03@joann_marieShe'll be back in just one second.↗

1:50:10Speaker 1So, truth seeker, would you join AfraMans community?↗

1:50:16@joann_marieAframan has a community. Is this, is this the guy who is like, "Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun, then I got out." That, that's him. He has a community?↗

1:50:25Speaker 1Well, he's planning one.↗

1:50:27@joann_mariethat's so cool.↗

1:50:28Speaker 1No. No? Why not? I like him.↗

1:50:34Speaker 6No. Why not? I, I mean, we can, we can, I can make another community apart from Heroes, but no.↗

1:50:45@joann_marieOkay, thank you. Well, Kirk is back.↗

1:50:48@allegedly_fortiYeah. Okay, is it better?↗

1:50:50@joann_marieYeah, it sounds better.↗

1:50:51@allegedly_fortiYeah, I learned how to fix this problem. It's so annoying, but at least I know how to fix it. So, Eric, I've been like on the fence for applying to your organization for like three weeks, and I just keep going, "Yeah, I should do that," but I'm not sure. And the thing that's holding me back is that although I, I think I align a hundred percent with a lot of the people in this space, where we differ sometimes is I'm not a particularly religious person. And if you don't wanna address this on the space, I don't blame you, no, no worries. But the thing that's holding me back is like if I'm really not particularly Religious, and is that gonna be something that doesn't quite jive with the rest of the, the people involved? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to, but that, that's something that me personally, I'm like, I, I really wanna apply, but I'm like, I don't know about that.↗

1:51:44Speaker 1Right. No, we have a real stance on that. So, I mean, we welcome Christians, European pagans, anything that's a traditional European religious persuasion, but that does actually include agnostics, not new atheists who are evangelical about their atheism, but there have been secular people and skeptics throughout Western history, even back into antiquity, right? So we consider that a traditional European religious stance And there are other secularly minded people. The thing is though, you have to be tolerant of those with strong religious views and don't try to, you know, argue them out of their Christianity or paganism.↗

1:52:28@allegedly_fortithat sounds basically fine, but I mean, it's-- in the way that the community functions, it does the The more, so it sounds like you have a spectrum, and it sounds like the, the more extreme end of your religious spec-spectrum steers clear of the less extreme end as long as everybody respects everybody's boundaries, like, basically.↗

1:52:52Speaker 1Well, yeah, in a lot of ways, like the communities are really just neighborhoods. You know, we have community dinners, and we know each other a lot more intimately than a general, like the general public. But, in your neighborhood where you live now, I'm sure there are people of different religious denominations that you strongly disagree with, and it's probably not a huge issue even now. I'm sure you have maybe a Muslim or a Buddhist or somebody who you totally disagree with, Living nearby. So in our, in our case, you know, that still exists, there's still religious diversity, but we are all white, so it's, it's just easier.↗

1:53:34@allegedly_fortiAnd, okay, that sounds fine. the, out of curiosity, where does your line of whose European ancestry and not get drawn?↗

1:53:45Speaker 1with the Caucasus and Ural Mountains predominantly in the ocean. Okay. So Georgia, Georgia is in↗

1:53:52@allegedly_fortiand Eastern Ukraine is in or out? Slavic is in or Slavic is out?↗

1:53:57Speaker 1Slavs are European. Anyone from the continent of Europe. And Georgia has been historically considered a European country, it's kind of the border. Armenia would be the hard edge case, and we've generally elected to consider that a Near Eastern country. So if you're asking for like the border, then, I guess it's the borders of Georgia with Azerbaijan and Armenia.↗

1:54:24@allegedly_fortiOkay, interesting. So Armenia to you is, is a more of a question case than Georgia?↗

1:54:31Speaker 1Yeah. Well, genetically, they cluster with Near Easterners. Now there are Armenians who cluster more strongly with Europeans, and so, you know, it's about deep ancestry. If your predominant, if your ancestors going back lived in Europe. So if you have a lot of step ancestry and you're that kind of Armenian, the thing is most Most Armenians are like ninety plus percent, Middle Eastern, you know?↗

1:55:01@allegedly_fortiYeah. Okay, yeah, sounds like you've gone pretty deep into it. I mean, I've-- the way I'm currently thinking about it is in terms of this sort of Yamnaya sort of Anatolian Neolithic farmer, northern hunter-gatherer admixture, and then the, the two sort of the Bell Beaker, the, the groups that were basically in Europe before the Yamnaya replacement about five thousand years ago, and for me, it's kind of like Anybody who has a certain amount of Yamnaya replacement, which seems to be important, gets into the club, and anybody that was in Europe before the replacement sort of gets into the club as well. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but...↗

1:55:40Speaker 1Yeah, those are the source populations. I think the Bell Beakers were, Indo-European group, though. I mean, there are different theories. People-- some people say they came from the Iberian Peninsula and were actually a Neolithic farmer group. I highly doubt it. I think they're part of the quartered Spread. but yeah, I mean, we try to keep it simple and just say if your ancestors came from Europe, and that coincides pretty neatly with an admixture between those three archaic populations.↗

1:56:09@allegedly_fortiCool. Alright, well, I think I'll, I'll probably apply, and I think there's some things I might be able to help you guys with, but I would only discuss that after being in person basically.↗

1:56:19Speaker 1Awesome. Yeah, good to hear. And you can apply pseudonymously as well, we actually encourage it. We'd love to get to the point where everyone feels confident just standing up for their views, with their real name, but there's really no reason to expe-expose ourselves to liability if we don't have to. So you can use a temporary email, one that you actually check though, and a fake name if you want.↗

1:56:45Ian MalcolmNo, that's actually a great, a great, so, so it's an interesting question, because obviously, Eric, there's folks like yourself, obviously Stu Peters, who are out there very prominently and as a result taking a lot of the slings and arrows, kind of advancing the zeitgeist on these issues. I'm, I'm curious what the participation within your community looks like from those that, that are, you know, making the step out into that community but are also perhaps trying to- To quasi live within the, the framework of modernity, right? Maybe they're, they're working for a company in a remote capacity that might not necessarily agree with those political views, but it offers them some kind of opportunity to provide, you know, economically to the, the, you know, group that you guys are all building.↗

1:57:35Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, basically people fall in one of three camps. Either they're a remote worker, most often a programmer. We have a lot of programmers. It's like from the very beginning, it was all tech, it was half tech people basically. And then there are some people who, you know, have already built up their wealth and now they're looking for an affordable way to, like, withdraw more or less. And then there are people who are still working ordinary jobs. And, you know, This community in the Ozarks, those people have a harder time because it is a low income area. So if you don't have some skill set, like I have a work history where I can work basically anywhere, some other people have similar histories and they have been able to be gainfully employed in the area, profitably for them. But yeah, I mean, if you have like a weak resume, I mean, even then, there are some of the young guys who will get jobs like There's railroad jobs where you're away for a week at a time, and a lot of people don't wanna do that, and so the pay is relatively fair, or like jobs on the Mississippi River, on boats and things like that. So there's always a way. and as far as like integrating those two halves of their life, yeah, it's, it's like most people, essentially, in our spheres, you don't want to talk about a lot of this stuff with your boss, and yet in this part of the country, it's much more likely that you- We'll have coworkers, you will maybe have, a business owner that you work for that actually supports our ideology. We have a lot of locals who have come out of the woodwork to express, even gratitude that we're doing what we're doing. So I think we chose the right place.↗

1:59:22Speaker 1there are a few places in the US obviously that have a lot of white people who feel very strongly about their identity. Obviously, Maine is like all, it's decreasingly white. Like everywhere else, but it's very, very white. But they're mostly either centrist or left wing, and they, they wouldn't be like pro-white whites there in the Ozarks. You know, Arkansas isn't like the whitest state, obviously, but that's because there are a lot of blacks who live south in the delta, but up in the hills in the Ozarks, it-- like, I never see non-white people, almost never.↗

1:59:57Speaker 1and the type of people who live here a lot of them, even the ones who are moving there, who aren't like from the Ozarks, they're moving so that they can be in a safe place around other white people, and it has that reputation of being Hick, so it kind of scares off the left wing types. So, and that's another thing is like, in general, the country is reorganizing where the right wing areas are becoming more right wing, and people living in those areas are becoming more and more- Open about their views. So what we're doing with Return to the Land is like a, it's just one facet of a larger reorganization, the end result of which will be that there are areas of the country where you can just be open about our views and it won't really affect you. And I think the Ozarks is one of those places, obviously a lot of Appalachia is a place like that, North, Northern Idaho specifically, but I guess Idaho and- General, not the Pacific Northwest in general, 'cause Washington, Oregon, those places have,↗

2:01:02Speaker 1I don't wanna say they're cooked, but they're, you know, they're, they're facing issues and very quick demographic change. So Yeah, I, I recommend even if your resume is relatively weak, the, the pros of being around people that you can be yourself around and having community greatly outweigh the cons. I mean, you can live in a, a left-wing blue city and probably make more money, and if that's your number one priority, then you do you. But if you invest in these communities, then there are business owners, there are people who want to start manufacturing here. But it's a hard thing to do 'cause both sides have to align. There have to be business owners and investors and employees who want the work, who at the same time agree we're all gonna come and invest everything and give it our best shot. And so we have the people, but it's a timing issue. And we've had times when there were multiple young guys here and we're putting them all to work, and then times when we had more work than we had guys, times when we had more guys than work. So it's a coordination issue, but I think- I think we're getting better at it, and I'm very optimistic going forward.↗

2:02:15Ian MalcolmNo, it's, it's, it's very well stated, and, and that's gonna be one of the most curious pieces of this puzzle because I, I, I do think that as this cause moves forward, right? As more people are willing to speak about Jewish supremacy, the protectionism of, of kind of the white Christian West, as that becomes, you know, more a portion of the zeitgeist, it'll be very curious because at some point These big companies won't be able to essentially ruin people's lives and remove their economic opportunities if they speak about those subjects, because if they do, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the claims, right? And, and so you're gonna find this very strange world in the coming probably year or two or three, where this will be normal dialogue, right? People will be as comfortable discussing Jewish supremacy and white, let, let's say, either pride, right, or, or- Or ethnocentrism for the white race, that, that will be as commonplace as a lot of these other, let, let's say more fringe, issues, right? Whether it's Black Pride or LGBT Pride or any of the other things, some of which I think are reasonable, others not so much at all. Right? But so as that happens, and as the fangs of the machine are removed, then it can no longer ruin your life because you talk about these issues, well, then more and more and more people will do it, right? And so we'll find ourselves in this very strange paradigm where perhaps it'll be perfectly reasonable not only for people like yourself to have communities like Return to the Land, but for people to be able to work for a Fortune five thousand company while they actively say face forward on the internet, Jewish supremacy is a serious problem. And once that paradigm shifts, I, I, I don't see how the genie ever goes back in the bottle. and, and so I'd be curious, Eric, for either your thoughts or maybe Rabbi Malice if he wants to jump in on that suggestion, and if you think that that's an inevitability given kind of the movement that we're, we're all collectively building towards.↗

2:04:14Speaker 1That people will be speaking openly about Jewish power and, White replacement. I↗

2:04:20Ian Malcolmthink, correct, with-without, without the ability for-- because right now, if, if you work for any major company and you say those things on the internet in any written or verbal fashion, it, it's, it's probably a death sentence, obviously, to your, your career ambitions, right?↗

2:04:38Speaker 1Yeah, it's hard to say what will happen in companies that we don't control, and a lot of those are Jewish owned, you know? So I think the better path is not relying on existing companies to become more tolerant, 'cause ultimately it's up to them. There are some states where there are protections for political ideology and discrimination ag- against certain political views. Ironically, California, I think, is one of those states. but I would rather rely on creating companies that that- At level and organizing things like that ourselves so that we know that our jobs are secure. once again, my solution is build parallel systems. I'm not gonna bank on, this system coming around, you know?↗

2:05:23Ian MalcolmNo, it's, it's a, a wonderful point, and, and it's curious because to that idea of the parallel economy, right? As, essentially this moves forward, we bring more attention to it, people are more vocal about it, they're more comfortable and capable of stepping into the sunlight because, you know, eventually it gets to a point where again, by these companies reprimanding people for suggesting these things, it demonstrates the accuracy of the suggestions that we're making, right? And so two things will happen. Number one, it'll beget the parallel economy because people- People will be, prospectively forced into it because they will be ousted from those organizations that remain cucked to Jewish supremacy. But as that happens, it also justifies the boycotting of those companies that behave like that Right? So you'll get this very strange movement where people will be either the, the, the employers that are, are run by kind of the Jewish supremacists will be forced to stop behaving that way, or they will force both the, let's say, the employees as well as the consumers to start saying, "Okay, well, we're gonna go be part of that parallel economy that you're talking about, Eric." So it's a, a very, astute observation. I think it's an inevitable outcome of this, right? And so it's so curious because in the same way that Demanding that your project be sued into not only obscurity, but, but, ineffectiveness, right? The same people that are behind that, they're ultimately force-functioning those that would get behind your project, myself included, to say, "Well, this is why this is a huge problem, right? This is who the problem is originating from." And, and so ironically, whether it's your project or censorship, right? Or any of these other activities that this power structure is taking, they become their own worst nightmare Ironically, right? The, the thing that is begetting antisemitism more than any of the conversations about Jewish supremacy is the behavior of the Jews in Israel and the genocide and all the other things that they're doing, right? So them attacking you and your project, it just furthers the validity of the project that you're trying to create, the necessity for it, and obviously just brings more awareness and attention to the reason that you set it up in the first place. So it, it really is, I, I often kind of refer to this power structure, it's like the jealous- Girlfriend or ex-girlfriend, right? It's desperate to come after you and to demonstrate how it's the best thing that ever happened to you by chasing you all around town, and as a result, you're like, "Wow, I'm glad I got away from that thing, right?" And, and so you're demonstrating how psychopathic the very system that you're trying to build something as a parallel economy and, and opportunity to, how, how kind of toxic it all is.↗

2:08:01Speaker 1Yeah, no, they absolutely vindicate us when they attack us, and it'll drive more people to us. So they're kind of between a rock and a hard place. And then if they successfully shut us down, as I mentioned before, what option is that? Leave us? So, and I don't think they wanna find out.↗

2:08:19Speaker 2The, the thing they're, they're most scared of, which is crazy, is for a purposeful white community succeeding. And giving other people ideas. That's, that's the only thing that they're-- That's the real thing that they're after. Like, they, they need you to fail, 'cause if you d-- if you don't fail, then other people might decide to do the same thing. And right now, if it's one community, right? It's containable. But let's say fifteen new ones pop up next year, are they gonna send a Jewish agent to try and infiltrate every single one of those? Even Jewish billionaire money has a limit.↗

2:08:59Speaker 2And so, yeah, you are-- You, I think you, you're a, you're a, you're a, what is it called? You're an inflection point. Your community is an inflection point where it's either they're going to, continue this like, in a way, almost their empire, right? They're a dying empire just like America is. They're either gonna continue their empire by shutting you down and squashing you, or they're going to find out that you're like Iran and you're able to push back and fight back and assert yourself, and they're gonna lose.↗

2:09:33Speaker 1Yeah, or if they win, I think it will be a Pyrrhic victory, because as I said before, I'm the moderate. For years, I've been saying, "Hey, let's build our own thing." And don't focus on hating other groups or things like that. If people like me are shut down, who does that leave? And then also, what do I do? Where does my rhetoric go? The people who I've influenced in the past to slow it down and be a little bit more, "Hey, let's be level-headed here,"↗

2:10:03Speaker 1if that is just demonstrated to not be an option for us, I don't know. I think they really don't have good choices here. And but ultimately, they do. Because if they allow us to do our own thing, we just-- we are principled, you know, we're not vindictive like them, so we will allow them to have their own thing. Like, even most white nationalists have no problem if the state of Israel exists as long as they're not committing genocide. It's like, do I really care what goes on in the desert? Not that much, no. So if they allow us to have our own thing They'll have the one, not ally per se, but someone who at least will tolerate their existence, and it's, you know, they don't have anywhere else to turn because all the, the brown people that they built up as this golem to attack us, they see them as white. So they, they really don't have other options. I think their be- their best option is to actually ultimately allow us to establish our right to freely associate and have our own communities to keep that That moderate pathway open, but, it's gonna be like, on the left, things just crept leftward for generations over the twentieth century, but now it's sorta going in the other direction, and now, like, people like me are the moderate option that they're gonna have to give ground to.↗

2:11:27Speaker 2Yeah, he-- But here, see, here's the thing, I'm gonna take a minute to explain this because it's counterintuitive to a lot of people. Moderacy is the revolution, right? Now, explain what I mean by this. It's the people, and I've, I've found this in, I've found this in discussions with Jews, they are much more likely to go easy or to allow someone who's an obvious extremist, right? Who's an obvious Jew hater, someone who comes up and starts ranting, foaming at the mouth, talking about how much he hates all Jews, he doesn't care, there's no such thing as a good Jew, right? But he would have right. They don't mind that. What they mind is a moderate guy in a nice suit speaking good English, right? Making a reasoned and, and m-often loving case for why they should change the way they do things, right? Or for why, why there are issues in their community they need to look at. That's what they hate more. They're afraid, they're infinite-- they're exponentially more afraid of moderates than they are of extremists. And this is why I say the best thing to do is to double down, double down on being a moderate, right? As a matter of fact, become as positive as you can, because they are terrified of that. They need anything that even resembles resistance to their plans for the world, to their worldview,↗

2:12:55Speaker 2to be, scary, to be terrifying. This is why they helped create Hamas in, in Gaza. Because the PLO was learning to speak English, it was learning to be more like, look more like politicians, learning to wear nice suits. They weren't shooting Kalashnikovs into the air anymore, right? So Israel needed to create that boogeyman, and they needed it to replace the PLO because the PLO was no longer fitting and it was no longer living up to this boogeyman archetype, and by refusing to live up to the boogeyman archetype, that Whatever you wanna call it, like the Jewish ar- the Jewish agenda or Jewish interests, that they spent millions of dollars in decades creating in the mind of the American media consumer, right? To avoid buying into that is the revolution, right? That's the single most effective weapon that you have as someone who wants to push back and Take back, you know, whatever small corner of the universe you wanna live in as just yours, you know, and reclaim your own culture and your own identity, and not have,↗

2:14:07Speaker 2some, some kind of like Jewish agenda continually parked inside your brain. And, they're terrified of that, absolutely terrified. When I became-- When I be-- When I, I didn't become, I was always a moderate, but when I was- When I went from being a moderate who was supportive of Is-Israel, or at least at the very, at the very most, apathetic or, agnostic to Israel, to someone after October seventh, who was like, "Hold on a second, what you guys are doing is objectively a genocide. You're literally genociding an ethnic minority for Lebanon, and why am I the Nazi for pointing it out?" Right? That's when they came for me, and that's when they come for your neck, because you're, you're a moderate, and they, the one thing they fear more than anything else is a moderate. So I would-- that's just why I wanted to share that really quickly, because that's really important in my understanding.↗

2:15:01Speaker 1Yeah. No, I'm actually a hundred percent with you. As it is right now, that's why I've taken the approach that I have. However- They set up this boogeyman that is the imitation of the Nazi because they've put out all this anti-Nazi programming over decades, but once in a while, you get actual Nazis, and actual Nazis aren't the fake boogeyman. They're a hundred and thirty IQ geniuses who organize really well, and once in a while, like that radical element It's not just the fringe elements, it's, there's enough of them that they get the high IQ people too, and I think the Jews understand what that will mean. So they're gonna have to recognize that they can't keep shutting down the moderates or all the moderates are going to turn to↗

2:15:57Speaker 1those fringe elements and,↗

2:15:59Speaker 2yeah. Like, are they gonna go for, are they gonna basically say, "Hey, these project paperclip geniuses that were taken over after the war, these type of like high IQ people, are, are better, are better people to line up with, right?" And they don't want that. I don't want that.↗

2:16:16Speaker 6And I guess to add to that, like, Kanye released "How It's Hitler," right? And that's waking up the, the young people, essentially, right? Like, even if, even if he was trolling. It's now out there in the air that the, the n****ism, wherethe, the, the intimidation doesn't work anymore, right? It's been, it's been desensitized essentially, it's demystified.↗

2:16:44Speaker 6It doesn't mean anything anymore, and so this is the world that technically have to wake up in. This is the world that their, the Jewish children, like the children, you know, who are born in the region, being told all this, they're gonna have to wake up and be like, "Why isn't no one caring about antisemitism and, and, and, and all this, like, Nazism? Why they don't care anymore, the Holocaust?" And now, this is why, right? This is why it's, no one cares anymore.↗

2:17:09Speaker 2And Kanye was amazing. Kanye was, I, I, the Kanye was, he's a very, he's a very ham-fisted, he's very much a blunt object, but I love him anyway, because, as overtly Hollywood Nazi as the song was, basically he forced them to destroy him, right? Or he forced them to try to destroy him anyway. And so it's like, when you, when you try and do that, you have this like unten- they have this untenable position now where it's like, either↗

2:17:40Speaker 2nobody, like the Jews don't control anything, right? And Kanye hates them for no reason. Or they destroy him And prove that they control a sh-- a hell of a lot, and that Kanye probably had a good reason to dislike them, right? Because what we've seen happen, what was happening to Kanye, was basically just a continuation of what he was complaining about,↗

2:18:04Speaker 2what's happening to him behind the scenes. So it's like, it's, it's a process of waking everyone up, and he's essentially sacrificed his own career or his own- You know, with his, his own business, to wake us up. To wake us up. Well, he, he has↗

2:18:17Speaker 6nothing to lose, right? We keep, yeah. We, we keep coming back to that. Like, he's, he, what he did was good, and I think it was very important for the African American community because,↗

2:18:28Speaker 2yeah.↗

2:18:29Speaker 6They keep seeing white people. They don't realize, like, when a rapper joins a music producers, they're all Jews around him. It's not whites, even though he thinks it. Eventually, some of them wise up and they realize, From the, we heard it from two, can anyone↗

2:18:45@joann_mariehear me? Sorry. Yeah, but, I'll go to you, okay, Brittany, Brittany.↗

2:18:50Speaker 2Oh, sorry, Brittany, I'll, I'll let you, I'll let you go in a second. But, no, yeah, you're saying, Truth Seeker.↗

2:18:56Speaker 6basically, yeah, you usually like they all wake up in little ways, essentially, but this was a big nuke that we needed, because the, the African, American community, they, even And like people follow what they do, so if they're waking up to it, eventually it'll even reach the people who aren't awake, right? Especially the, the Protestant young people, the Christians, essentially the young Christians, we need to really wake them up because unfortunately they're still being funnelled through the system, right? Recycle as a, as a new person of Israel. I'm sure everybody's seen that video floating around about the pastors, Christian pastors get flown to Israel, understand? Please, God, please protect Israel, and I can't, I don't want, I don No, no, I wanna see↗

2:19:44Speaker 2that. Well, the, the thing is, like, the, the black community for a very long time was like the, like, they were like Jewish muscle, right? 'Cause the Jews put a lot of energy and money into buying their loyalty with, like, you know, Woody Allen movies, like, mentions and, like, you know, pan- like, pandering to their sense of oppression by creating media, always highlighting how much Jewish lawyers, you know, helped them during civil rights, which by the way is way overstated,↗

2:20:12Speaker 2But, they're-- Oh yeah, don't even start on the Martin↗

2:20:15Speaker 6Luther King, don't, don't, don't.↗

2:20:16Speaker 2Oh yeah, even if you don't get blacks turn against you, just to have blacks turn away from you and stop being like your kinetic, paramilitary against whites is enough, right? And the con-- I love Kanye because, like, be-before this whole, DeathCon three thing went down, right? Kanye was the guy who went on TV with Michael Myers during Hurricane Katrina and when- Completely off script and said the words "George Bush doesn't care about black people." That was the↗

2:20:48Speaker 6funniest thing ever. That was amazing.↗

2:20:51Speaker 2Like Kanye is, he's literally, he's literally the sentence "I don't give a shit" embodied in human form.↗

2:21:02Speaker 2I'm sorry, so I, I think somebody was trying to talk in before. Well, and, and it might actually be helpful↗

2:21:06Ian Malcolm'cause I, I, I know we got, a, a number of individuals in here that, probably haven't been in for the entirety of the space. And, and just to kind of reset the conversation, Eric, and I know you've, you've, you've certainly provided the backstory, before, but if you wouldn't mind kind of giving a, just a quick synopsis on Return of the Land↗

2:21:25Ian Malcolmand,↗

2:21:31Speaker 1Yeah, sure. So Return to the Land is our private association for people of European heritage. It's for community building, it's international, so we have members all over the world. We host meetups, and we encourage members to get together and create intentional community. that was- Can I ask you a question? Most important things↗

2:21:53Speaker 2to us. Can I ask↗

2:21:53Speaker 1a question? Listen, hold on, hold on,↗

2:21:56Speaker 2she's violent, Sudi. Just let our girl talk, we'll get to you. Don't↗

2:22:01Speaker 8worry, okay?↗

2:22:02Speaker 2Yeah. So we started↗

2:22:03Ian Malcolmthis-- That's-- Apologies for that, Eric. it might be the reason people want to, hold conversations that are away from, for a certain group. But, no, I say that in jest. We don't have a topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.↗

2:22:13Speaker 1That's all good. We don't know what return to the land is. So yeah, it's a private club, but we have one intentional community that we founded first in the Ozarks. There are actually multiple RCTL communities already in the↗

2:22:30Speaker 1Built up this body of knowledge on how to structure these things legally so they don't run afoul of anti-discrimination laws like the Fair Housing Act, but we are being sued for discrimination, notwithstanding. We expected that, and one of the things that we hope to do is set precedent that allows us to freely associate in the future without this kind of harassment. But this particular lawsuit, it was a Jewish woman from Saint Louis, she said she was watching Watching the news and heard about some opportunity to buy land at a thousand an acre with Return to the Land. Now, I don't know, I think she's making that up, 'cause we didn't buy this land for a thousand an acre, it was more expensive than that, and we also don't sell land at all. We don't own land as RTTL. Return to the Land is our international association, and then there under that, subsets of our members can get together and form communities. And she never even applied to this community here in those And even if she had, she wouldn't have been applying to buy land. So we rejected her at the association level because she doesn't share our values, she's not traditionally minded, she's married to a black man, and she herself is Jewish. And this is a European heritage association for people with traditional values.↗

2:23:51Speaker 1so she applied to a private club and then now is trying to act like she was applying to buy real estate, and we turned her down for buying real estate. That didn't happen at all. if you read the actual complaint letter, which is public, the whole thing, or practically the whole thing, is a screed against white nationalism. It's accusing us of being white supremacists and believing a lot of things that we have never stated publicly. Those aren't the values of the association. We stand for the rights of all Americans. to freely associate and speak their mind and go about their private lives unmolested. So, I mean, really, this is lawfare, this is her targeting us, and she is backed by the NAACP and the Legal Fund of Arkansas, and these organizations have millions of dollars. Hopefully, that ends up working in our favor, though. Obviously, they're gonna bring big guns to the table, but we also have competent, very competent representation Multiple lawyers, and because they are big organizations, behind this, we might have the opportunity of countersuit, and who knows what happens then. So we are running a fundraiser, if you wanna help us defeat the NAACP and this Jewish lady and set precedent for freedom of association in America, our fundraiser is givesendgo dot com slash r t t l dash legal dash fees.↗

2:25:21Ian MalcolmAnd very, very well stated. And, and again, I just want to make sure that, for anybody in here that, was not familiar with the earlier part of the, the, the story arc, was able to hear that. with that being said, I, I will, I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna reluctantly bring up, two individuals. And, Joanne, we'll, we'll play goalkeeper, but before we-↗

2:25:42@joann_marieHow long, Brittany? Why?↗

2:25:44Ian MalcolmIt's, it's just, it's just remarkable. why don't we go to Mulberry Tree, though, and, Eric, I think this might actually be interesting 'cause I know Forty, was referring to this earlier and this idea of, of kind of, let's say food shares and farm shares, but would love to get a little bit of background, for you and for anybody else that's part of your community that might find this of interest.↗

2:26:06Speaker 9Hi, my name is Francine. I created Mulberry Tree app, we're the first farm-to-fork recipe app where you can buy your ingredients from local farmers or through Instacart. Instacart just went live on our app, two weeks ago. we're completely self-funded, we're farmer-owned and family-owned. I'm a mom of four. we're actually in the Ozarks ourselves.↗

2:26:31Speaker 9we raise goats, we raise donkeys, we raise rabbits Rabbits. just planted almost fifty blueberries, organic blueberries, on our farm, this last week, with my husband. yeah, we decided to take on big agriculture and big food, and our whole recipe app is teaching people how to cook from scratch, know their farmer, know their food, and we also have courses on our app to teach people how to garden, how to cook How to ferment, how to do all these amazing skills. we also released recently the farmers market on our app. It's a twenty-four seven farmers market where people can sell their products that are USA-made goods, no im-imported garbage, so you're not competing with a bunch of crap from overseas, and there's no listing fees, so people can sell their leather goods, they can sell their soap, they can sell their talcos, essential oils, anything they make from home, and there's no listing fees. We're a decentralized- Platform, so we don't take a cut whatsoever, people are making all their products. The beautiful part is farmers can sell all their products, without marketing. So let's say you make an apple pie and you go buy ingredients, and it'll show all the farmers in your area, and if they have apples on there, the closest, apple farmer will populate, and then you order directly from them, so they don't have to pay marketing or anything like that to get their products to the cus-their customer. In their area. And we also have a shipping aspect to that too, so people can ship their products like, beef and chicken and pork and whatnot.↗

2:28:15Speaker 9we are actually going to be decentralized in the future too. I just met with an amazing, developer who believes in our mission, so we can get it on a, Ethereum. Decentralized platform so the government can't take it down, that's going to be, moving forward so we don't have to have it in the app spaces on Apple and Google, and then, you know, we'll have it on that and then just kind of bridge the gap between the two when more people are learning how to use Web3. So we have amazing things coming. we also have the Town Square, we're gonna be building up on that so we have a algorithm built for the people, by the people, where the We're not de-s, censoring people. We're not having manipulation to mess with people's psychological,↗

2:29:06Speaker 9aspects and destroying people's cultures, through the algorithms. The algorithms will actually be your friend on our app, yeah. So that's kind of what's going on. I was just tagged in this, so I just figured to pop back in here and see what's going on. I am aware of Airvault stuff since that's in the Ozark. I saw your thing. In our town, actually.↗

2:29:30Speaker 9so yeah, crazy stuff that's happening right now. We're just farmers, building for farmers, helping community people, you know, getting food back locally and not garbage big agriculture. So that's pretty much it. I'm kind of tired. I was in the space earlier. I have a baby, I'm currently breastfeeding, so I'm a little out of it, so I apologize. that's pretty much the gist of it. I have a podcast on my page that tells everything about our app with, farm- I'm strong, but yeah, thank you.↗

2:30:00Speaker 1I love it, that's amazing. Hey, let's go. Definitely come down and visit. We have community dinners every Saturday evening, so anytime you're welcome.↗

2:30:09Speaker 9Thank you, I appreciate it. It's a little hard because we have a farm ourselves, so we have lots of animals here. We have like 28 goats, so we're very busy here. And like I said, we have a newborn baby, so we're kinda stuck at the house at the moment, but I really appreciate the invite. Amazing.↗

2:30:29@nance726Yeah, thanks, thanks for coming up on Vertu. I always appreciate when you pop in. You know, I'm always trying to, to spread, spread the message, get other people involved who I think you guys would, would vibe with, and I think would make good connections. So, thanks for coming in and, joining the space.↗

2:30:43Speaker 9Yeah, thank you for giving us a shout out. We've just been really, really busy building, and we're gonna start going to vendor shows, supporting our local farmers and giving them money to pay for vendor spots and just connecting local farmers in our area and just continue doing that and just showing how, you know, here's a hub, this works, look how we're being very successful getting farmers, chefs, and food enthusiasts and all these like local communities so people don't have to buy from big stores. There's like furniture and things like that, and just, you know, creating strong communities again, 'cause that's how we win. We, we, we win by building small, strong communities, and that's how we take over. So that's what we're doing, and we're gonna start doing that all over the US. So I'm very excited, and there's some really amazing people who are coming out of the woodworks to help support us, so I'm super stoked.↗

2:31:34@joann_marieI know, I love it. It's, it's so wholesome. I, and we did a great space with her, so I'm gonna post it in the Peropel so that you guys check it out. And we talked about so much, and you're doing such a great job, and I'm really happy that you guys connected. And hopefully you do go to, to have dinner with them. I think, I think you guys would, share a lot in common. And we have two Stu Peters in here, and he hasn't said anything. Hey, Stu, how are you? What are your thoughts on everything?↗

2:32:08Speaker 10Hey, what's going on? I'm good. I'm actually just listening because I'm on a drive, and I find the information in the conversation to be really interesting. probably one of the more productive spaces I've actually listened to for, for quite some time. And, I'm interested in making contact with some of the people in here. So, I don't know, I don't have a blue checkmark, so you gotta watch for your spam DMs, but I'm gonna hit you up.↗

2:32:35@joann_marieAmazing! Thank you so, and yeah, see? Great things come together, so.↗

2:32:42Ian MalcolmNo, and, and, and on that idea, right, that, the, the parallel economy, right? It's, it's information based, it's nutrition based, it's communally based, and, and how wild that, mulberry tree, you're, you're right down the street from, Return to the Land. So what, what a, what a wonderful way to make both a, a digital and then prospectively literal connection. and, and that's what this is all about, right?↗

2:33:09Ian Malcolmand to continuously add new elements to it, whether it's, again, on the information side, the media side, and of-- obviously, Stu has been, one of the loudest bullhorns talking about Jewish supremacy, right? And to have, Eric out there on the front lines trying to not only bring about this community, but also to go to, lawfare against the machine itself. It's, it's, it's just wild what we've been able to, to see built in front of our eyes and, and to, to David N↗

2:33:39Ian MalcolmI know he's, he's gonna be popping in prospectively a little bit later, but he, he mentioned that the awakening is upon us, and I, I really do believe that we are, we're witnessing it in real time. We're seeing this, take shape and take form, and it's still nebulous, but it is nebulously inevitable, it feels like. Curtis, kind of curious for your thoughts on that.↗

2:34:02Speaker 11Yeah, man. I mean, I agree. I really just wanted to chime in too, I, I, I popped out a bit there. Really cool to hear about the, that app that, Mulberry Tree was chiming in about. And, yeah, I just actually wanted to shout out, Stu, Stu, we were hanging out at Jeff Burbuck's place down in, Mexico in February, and I meant to connect with you. So if you wanna connect,↗

2:34:27Speaker 11feel free to reach out, give me a follow or whatever. happy to help you out with any of your, Homesteading needs and, we were talking about doing a community down there in Mexico when I was down there, but the property that was pitched to me, a mutual friend, you were hanging out with him down there, kind of logistically challenging, but,↗

2:34:51Speaker 11yeah, happy to help out too. am I↗

2:34:54@newglorycomithon here? I don't know, nobody gave me↗

2:34:58Ian Malcolmthe word. Oh, Oliver, yes. you just jumped in, mid, midstream with Curtis, but, but yes, we'll, we'll go right to Oliver. I don't need,↗

2:35:04Speaker 11I don't need to keep going. I'll, I just wanted to say, Stu, if you wanted to reach out, just, happy to help you. But, Ian, I agree with you, man. I mean, I think, I think what, w- a lot of what this space has been about↗

2:35:25Speaker 11We're gonna be number one hundred and ten. And, it's, i-it, it is happening. Israel wants people to turn against it, I think, personally. But the system is so fucked that the only, the only solution is resilience in strong communities. And it's, it, it's really the, if we don't get back to the family and get back to our roots and our traditions and learning how to use our hands again, they're just gonna fucking railroad us. And, yeah, I don't know what else to say there. Has been saying the same thing. Same thing for years, but, yeah, carry on, boys.↗

2:36:00Ian MalcolmNo, lots of love, and we'll go to Oliver, who's been, talking about this and writing about this. He's actually a, a multi-time author. He went to prison because of his, advocacy of these positions. but I also just wanted to say, somebody, put into the purple pill, I came in at just the right time. Mulberry just came onto the microphone, and I just became aware of her earlier today. Yay, exclamation point. And I, I bring that up because isn't it wild to think the connections that we're making, right? The networking that is taking place, it's all very organic, and it's getting to a point where somebody that's in this conversation right now just happened to come to somebody's attention earlier today, completely unrelated, right? So, so we're, we're building this network that it is going to continue kind of self-perpetuating, and in that growth, right? We find new connections that strengthen and bond the things that we're doing. speaking of which, Oliver, it Oh, I'm sorry. Mulberry tree put her hand up, so we'll go there for a second, and then we'll go to Oliver, who I, I had the pleasure of having a space with a couple months ago, very curious for some of his, latest developments.↗

2:37:07Speaker 9Thank you, I appreciate it. More the merrier, to keep filling our, app. I just wanted to let people know we're giving a free shirt away. It's, built on beef. for Father's Day, we're giving four shirts away. They're a hundred percent organic and a hundred percent US made. we like to give back to our community, that's the mulberry tree way. the mulberry tree is the tree of liberty, and also it is the most abundant fruit tree where there's enough fruit for the tree, the animals People, and that's our philosophy running our business. So please, check out our page to be entered to win a beautiful shirt. It's amazing, Pro USDA beef, come on,↗

2:37:50Speaker 9and, yeah, so I'm super excited. unfortunately, X is censoring me really bad about my giveaway, which is really annoying, and I'm gonna make Grok my personal little bitch on the farm. he's gonna be my first little robot slave because he is lying to me about- censoring it, and everyone's like, "I don't see your post," and then they see my shirt and they love it. I designed it 'cause I used to be a fashion designer before having kids and before owning an app, my life's wild. But anyways, feel free to enter it. I'd love to give, a lucky winner, four people the shirt, so check it out. Thank you so much. And I'm just gonna listen and go to bed 'cause I have a long drive tomorrow. I have a photo shoot for a magazine.↗

2:38:36Speaker 9App, so I'm really excited. So, yay! Thank you guys and ladies.↗

2:38:43Ian MalcolmNo, and congratulations on the exposure and the recognition, and this is exactly what we need to be fostering and celebrating and encouraging. So, absolutely love that. Let's go, I think, I, I don't know if Oliver had a connection issue, but, any, any final words, Mr. Rabbi or Curtis or Best of the Gentiles, and then we'll go back up to Eric for some party words before we wrap up the space.↗

2:39:07Speaker 2No, I'm great. I just, I think it's disappointing that the, the two women, the, the, the nice lady that wanted to jump in and I think the nice ethnic lady that wanted to jump in earlier, didn't get a chance to speak, so I wish they'd stuck around.↗

2:39:20Ian MalcolmWell, I, I will, yes, we, there you go, we can hear you, Oliver.↗

2:39:25@newglorycomithOkay, I just wanted to ask Stu if he gets my messages, my DMs, because I heard some-- sometimes it doesn't go through. Can you answer to that? 'Cause I invited him to my show several times.↗

2:39:39Speaker 10I got nothing, Oliver. I see you on my timeline all the time. You know, I got, I got nothing from you, so--↗

2:39:47@newglorycomithOh, wow.↗

2:39:47Speaker 10I will go and look. In, you know, like, there's different folders, I think.↗

2:39:53@newglorycomithI↗

2:39:53Speaker 10will go and look, but- Okay. no, I'd be happy to connect with you. I'm, I'm also like super excited about Mulberry Tree. Like, I'm going over to enter this contest right now, and I'll help you with the censorship as- But, you know, like, groped out, I don't know, a few months ago or whatever, and said that, you know, my account was slashed to ninety-two percent on being throttled, so like only eight percent of the people who choose to follow me are allowed to see my shit, which is really fucked up. But anyway, I digressed there.↗

2:40:25Speaker 10I'll share it. And 8% of, I don't know, 920,000 people will see it. So I'll do what I can to help you with that. I love what you're doing. I don't know, she was going to bed, so I hope she's still listening, but I love what you're doing. I'm listening, I just said↗

2:40:41Speaker 9thank you. We were friends on Facebook a long time ago, ha!↗

2:40:47Speaker 10Not allowed over there.↗

2:40:50Speaker 9I know, you got banned quite a few times, so.↗

2:40:57Ian MalcolmI love that, and, and, and bringing attention to these types of solutions, Stu, just, just many, many kudos for that. and, and look, if, if we can do anything to help build that parallel economy that, Eric was talking about, that's, that's the win, and that has to include both, like, I want to talk to Eric too, by the way, are your DMs open?↗

2:41:18Speaker 8Yeah,↗

2:41:19Speaker 1yeah, yeah.↗

2:41:20Speaker 8Alright, right on. I'm gonna hit you up.↗

2:41:29Ian MalcolmLove it. And, and, and, and so why don't we go, again, I know we checked in with Rabbi, let's go to, to Curtis real quick for any kind of partying remarks. We'll, we'll see if Stu's got any that he'd like to share, on, on kind of how everything is progressing, and then we'll go back up to Eric for some, some final words here.↗

2:41:48Speaker 11Yo, Yeah, I think, you know, Ian, yeah, shout out to you, man. You run really constructive spaces. I love, the civility and, and I think it's just the policing probably. I, you know, you go in some JQ spaces and it's just a, a fucking gong show. Everybody's yelling at each other and it's hard to-- it's hard to have a constructive conversation, but I think, you know,↗

2:42:14Speaker 11it, it, it all comes down to taking agency over your shit. And this is the, the world, the way the world has been progressing, see, even since the Industrial Revolution until the dot com boom and whatever, is to making people less resilient and having less agency over their life, and the system does that by providing us with conveniences, privileges, and benefits. And so we consistently chase-- we, we trade away our rights, our God-given rights, for more conveniences. And so we have to go the opposite direction now. We have to start taking agency over our food. You know, apps like, Mulberry, which the, the, the, the woman was talking about, is a, is a great solution, 'cause yes, it's a so-- it's, it's a technological solution, but it connects you to farmers and it helps you bridge those gaps in your needs. And so the way I look at it is I call it the, the, the four matrix, matrices of human survival: food, water, energy, shelter. These are the things that you need to survive no matter what. And, you can bitch and moan about politics all day, which, which, you know, it's hard not to do these days, but at the end of the day, you gotta have direct lines on your resources and, and at, at least move towards those things. So you may not be a farmer like me, but you, you, you can get close to a farmer. You know, you may have water from the municipality, but you can dig a well in your backyard. You can put rainwater catchment on your roof. You know, you can start taking- Taking steps towards resiliency because they're gonna continue to pinch us constantly, and if we don't have systems in place, then you'll be in the bread line, you know, waiting to get your booster to get food, and that is coming. It is coming. The, the Agenda Twenty One laid it all out in the nineteen nineties. They want us corralled into these big mega cities, and they want us off the land. And, and a, an interesting development too is what these data, those, these mega data centers This is another thing that's pushing people off the land, because if you look at some of these maps where it shows where they are,↗

2:44:24Speaker 11it's essentially sucking up all the resources in these rural areas. So it's gonna incentivize and push people into the cities, and I'm seeing it here, where I live in Southern BC, Canada, that, that they're, they're, they're reducing services in the countryside. They're, they're putting a data center, it's, it's far away enough from me that it won't affect me, 'cause I'm off, totally off grid, so It's the, the people in my area are gonna start having the power go out all the time. This is happening, they told-- talked about it in agenda twenty-one and thirty. Brownouts. They're gonna start reducing services, so it's gonna push people into the cities. And so basically, if you're gonna live in the country, you gotta have to be like Eric or myself, where you're in community and you're totally off-grid, you're growing your own food, you got greenhouses, you got multiple sources of water, you got multiple sources of power, and you've got a network↗

2:45:17Speaker 11Allow you to get through attrition, which is essentially coming. So, I'll leave it there. But great space, Ian. Great space, Eric. Good to connect with you guys as always.↗

2:45:30Ian MalcolmNo, absolutely, Curtiss, and it's one of the things that we try to do, right, is to have conversations that kind of continuously touch about this, certain, let's say, parasitic system, and whether it's the financial side, the cultural side, in this case, the, the litigious side of things, we're, we're doing obviously spaces on how this is impacting at a macro level over in the United Kingdom, how it's impacting the algorithm in X, right? And in this case, how it's, impacting The return to the land, which ironically was set up to get away from the parasite, and now the parasite is coming for them, just, validating the, the need for it, right? and so it really is wild to see all these things come full circle, but, but trying to be productive as we can, right? To inform and to educate and also celebrate those that are, are taking action. And, to your point, Curtis, somebody actually in the purple pill, they, they said, owning up to and, and, taking account for own efforts, right? Their betterment. it's just very, very well stated, right? We've all gotta do our part, whatever that piece of the puzzle is. So, absolutely love the, the sentiments there. Let, let's check in really quickly, I know we, we said we'd go through a couple hands, but we got HT in here. let's go to him really quickly and, check in, get his thoughts on Eric and the things that he's doing or anything else that's top of mind, and then we'll come back↗

2:46:54Speaker 12What's up? Yeah, Arvold's making history. He's doing a great job, and, it's amazing. So, I hope he continues and he's able to get through this law stuff. And, you know, I talked to Dan the other day and he said that he donated to Arvold, I was like, "Whoa, that's pretty cool. That's pretty awesome." So, you know, I was wondering, with this whole PMA,↗

2:47:20Speaker 12Yeah, PMA, right? Private Member Association. PMA. Is, is this, is this able, can this translate into like using it, like, 'cause I'm in the same kinda area, I think we're about three hours away, and I'm, I wanna set up like a gym for like boxing and fighting and, you know, martial arts, that kinda stuff. Could those same rules that you have laid out for the real estate apply to a gym?↗

2:47:46Speaker 1It's easier for a gym, yeah. I mean, in our case, it involves real estate, which draws in the Fair Housing Act and things like that. But there's a ton of case law that you can have a private club, like a country club even, that is whites-only. It's totally legal. Yep.↗

2:48:02Speaker 12Awesome. And, yeah, I, I recommended you. I, I didn't clear, run it by you, but I recommended you on Alex Jones' show. for Fed Week, and I'm really trying to push Fed Week for Alex Jones like Shark Week for Discovery. And I, I, I was like, you know, you need to get Arvoll in there, because, you know, anyone who's a white person trying to organize white people and collectivize, you know, for our people is considered a Fed. So I was wondering, you want me to push to get you on there?↗

2:48:33Speaker 1yeah, I don't know how I feel with the Fed part of that, but, I appreciate that, thank you.↗

2:48:37Speaker 12It's It's a total joke, you know, because, you know, everyone's labeled a f— that tries to stand up for white people. But, yeah, keep up the good work, Armand. I think, I've, I've had my criticisms, of course, I, I'll-- but, you know, overall You know, I think you're doing a great job, and keep up the fight, and I really like your stance. I, I really like the fire that you put out there when it came to your post on Nick Fuentes. I really liked that everyone's kind of coming down and seeing through the bullshit with him. And I just thought, you know, I've, I've always like, I was always like, "Where's Arvols' like, you know, like, where's that fucking, that fire?" And I felt like, you know, you did that video,↗

2:49:23Speaker 12yeah, just keep up the good work and I like seeing that side of you, that fighter side.↗

2:49:28Speaker 1Yeah, well, if they keep attacking me, you'll see more of it. So.↗

2:49:34@nance726And, hey, HT, great job on Alex yesterday too, man. That was, that was a really great interview. I thought you all killed it.↗

2:49:40Speaker 12Thank you. Yeah, it was fun. I didn't think it was gonna go that well. I can't believe Alex Jones threw a Roman. That was pretty fun.↗

2:49:49@joann_marieIt's so awesome. I haven't seen it, don't go watch it. And thank you so much for coming up, HD. This is a new account, right?↗

2:49:57Speaker 12It's gonna continue to be a new account as long as I'm on this platform. They last for about, they last for about a few months and they go away. But I'm trying to- Yeah,↗

2:50:05@joann_marieevery time you get like to fifteen, they're new again. Well, welcome back.↗

2:50:11Speaker 12So Arvo, do you mind if I, can I DM you and maybe get on a private call with you about- Talking about something like that with the PMA thing?↗

2:50:20Speaker 1yeah, sure. It's really not complicated though. but no problem, glad to help out.↗

2:50:24Speaker 12Sounds good, thanks.↗

2:50:27@joann_marieAll right, amazing. Thank you so much for coming on, Peggy. Charlie Carter, welcome. How are you?↗

2:50:34Speaker 13I am fantastic. Hello, everyone. oh my God, Jo↗

2:50:59@joann_marieLove you, Charlie, and guys follow him. He makes really cool songs and cartoons, and, yeah, they're pretty cool. And thank you so much for coming up, Charlie. Alright, we have Denny, the girl who really liked, Mulberry App. So, welcome, Denny. Go for it.↗

2:51:16Speaker 14Oh, hi Joanne. It's been a while. How you been?↗

2:51:20@joann_marieGood. How are you?↗

2:51:22Speaker 14I'm good, honey. You knew me as Mags.↗

2:51:26@joann_marieOh, what happened to your account? You,↗

2:51:29Speaker 14I got nuked on that account. Aww. This is, it, you know what? It is what it is. But Mulberry, I am so glad you caught my attention, because my auntie in West Plains was talking about you today. And they used to be farmers, 'cause when my uncle retired from farming, of course, the farm- They sold it, they didn't keep it. So I was asking her, Aunt Zelda, where can I get some good stuff? And she's like, Oh, you need to check out this website. So I just found out about you today. Thank you. I'm so glad you are around. I'm in Illinois, so I'm not too far from you. So I definitely want to connect and get things that are↗

2:52:23Speaker 14Homemade and not all this junk and processed foods we get in the stores. and then the second thing I wanna say, I'll be real quick, Stu, thank you for getting me out of, Twitter jail. Was it not for you and your campaign and the rights to free speech, I wouldn't be back on this platform. So thank you, my friend. And Mulberry, I definitely wanna get in contact. Please, I wanna order some things. Thank you.↗

2:52:56@joann_marieHi, that, that was amazing. Thank you so much for coming out, Dani, and see, we're making amazing con-connections today. Alright, we have a new person, Iconic. Welcome.↗

2:53:10@mohammedakunjeeHi, how you doing?↗

2:53:12@joann_marieI'm doing great. How are you? I'm↗

2:53:15@mohammedakunjeegood,↗

2:53:15@nietzsche258918good.↗

2:53:17Speaker 6Great.↗

2:53:19@joann_marieAlright. Why did you come up?↗

2:53:25Speaker 6Oh, I don't know. I don't know.↗

2:53:29@joann_marieOh, okay.↗

2:53:30Ian MalcolmYou're serious?↗

2:53:35Ian MalcolmHey, nothing but love. but I, I like the direct answer, that, that was solid. but, let's go to Revina. I hope I pronounced that right. We'll go to the best of the Gentiles, then we'll come up to Eric for some partying, remarks.↗

2:53:51Speaker 15I am very interested in the mulberry app. I do live in a farming community, so that is something that could go really well where I live.↗

2:54:02Speaker 15The case with return to the land is a lot more high-profile, I believe, than what either side realizes. where I live, everybody is paying attention to that case. Everybody. Like everybody in town talks about it. And I think it's gonna do a lot of harm to the Indo LCP just filing that lawsuit to begin with. Because it does look like targeting, because they don't say anything about it for any other community, only white people. And so I think that's, that's an issue, and it, it will discredit them.↗

2:54:46Ian MalcolmNo, very, very well stated. sorry, Eric.↗

2:54:50Speaker 1Oh, no, just, that's good to hear that, people are talking about it. Is this a small town where you are?↗

2:54:58Speaker 15Yes, it's a small town, but it is a, you know, farming community. Everybody here is like pretty tight knit Christian community. So yeah. And it's been brought up here. Yeah, I think average.↗

2:55:13Speaker 1Yeah, I think average people don't want to see us targeted like this because they want their rights. You know, people who own land, they don't want to be told what to do on their own private land or who they can associate with. And I think a lot of Americans feel that way, so, I'm surprised to hear that because I didn't realize it had gotten out there quite to that extent. But I think we're really just at the beginning of it because, as I said earlier, like we just got served today. We haven't filed our response,↗

2:55:46Speaker 1and there's a lot of steps to get through before anything is definitive, but I know it's an important case. I'm, I'm glad to hear people are concerned, and, and they should be, you know, because there's a lot at stake. It's, I think, one of the most fundamental rights. Like, why do you have a government in the first place? It's because you want to protect your ability to have the kind of community that you want. So if you don't get to have the kind of community that you want Community that you want, like you don't have any rights at the end of the day. So,↗

2:56:19Speaker 1so yeah, thanks for the, I guess, support or indication that it is important to people. and yeah, I mean, this is a conversation that you can have with people in your everyday life, you can bring it up, and, it's one of those moderate issues. It's not like, it's not the same as, I guess, going a full kind of WIGNAT perspective and- Talking about the Naturalization Act of 1790, this is, it's a little bit more politically correct, correct, and actually our side being kind of the, on the receiving end and being perceived as in the role of the victim, it really helps, it makes our position look a lot more sympathetic, and I think it can be the door to a lot of other conversations. So again, good to hear.↗

2:57:06@joann_marieAlright, thank you so much for coming up. And we have Agent Orange, welcome, how are you?↗

2:57:13Speaker 16I'm good, thank you. Love you, Joanne and Ian. always great to be in the company of my favorite people right here in this space. Arvind, I just wanted to say thank you for coming in and, and talking about your Your work, I just put in an application and I wanted to put a voice to the name, so expect that. I have a little bit of experience with intentional communities in the past. I've, I've lived in one in Denmark, a long time ago as an exchange student, and, you know, I just have to say that like living in community on a family farm or a community,↗

2:57:56Speaker 16family ho-homestead is the norm For white people, and we've gotten so far away from that, and America especially, I, I just ask myself all the time, like, why is there so much hostility towards people like us who want to actually be in community, take care of the land, farm the land, and take care of our people the way that we've done for thousands of years? And it's, it's just exhausting. Like, I- I've been a part of, some intentional community building in California that went south, because of the laws and, and, in other ways, and it's, it's just been exhausting. So I'm, I'm actually really grateful to hear how successful your community is going despite the legal battles. I think those are inevitable, and of course, I'm gonna be keeping all of you in my prayers that these settle soon so that you can move forward with building your community and all I'll land there. Thank you.↗

2:59:04Speaker 1Thanks for applying. Yeah, we'll keep an eye out, definitely.↗

2:59:09@joann_marieI love you, Agent Orange. Thank you so much for coming up. Yeah, thank you, Joann. We have David here. Hey, David? It was such a great space, you missed it. How are you?↗

2:59:20@nietzsche258918Sounds like it, but I was fighting a good fight somewhere else.↗

2:59:26@joann_marieI, I know you were.↗

2:59:28@nietzsche258918I had, I had other flocks that required skinning and shearing and, well, enough about Jewish supremacism.↗

2:59:39Ian MalcolmWell, and David, you're in a good place because, I, I'd be curious, we were getting ready to wrap up and, we're gonna go back to Eric, momentarily, but, before we do, David, I, I would love your thoughts on this concept of the awakening and, and obviously, Eric in Return to the Land, you know, they built a community trying to get away from modernity and Jewish supremacy, and now a Jewish woman who's married to a black man is suing them to try and ensure that they can bring down the efforts that Legally, lawfully, and righteously is just trying to build to protect the things that he loves about this community. And so, I, I, I do feel like the more they push, the more they expose their hand, right? The more they hate the thing that is essentially us, the more people like us wake up and say, "I don't wanna be hated anymore." And so it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy that, again, we've already won. They can tighten down censorship, it just makes people ask questions. They can try and remove- Eric and his project, it just showcases the power and authority that they have, right? The, the fewer options they give us, the more volatile the inevitable options become, which they don't want, right? And we don't want that. So, I, I'm curious for your thoughts.↗

3:00:54@nietzsche258918I have to laugh, I have to laugh at the idea that the people that denounce you for your immutable characteristics can't stand the idea of you living without them. It just proves my point. The flea doesn't want the death of the dog, it just wants more blood. But I will say, the idea itself is beautiful. You know, learning to love ourselves, love our culture, the natural comity that we have with one another, it really is such an absolute winning position. And by the way, as a futurist, I believe that the future will end up there anyway. Pythagorean and Epicurean communities were both founded upon this idea.↗

3:01:32@nietzsche258918Epicurean communities, over which, after Constantine converted the world to Christianity, they, they built their first monasteries on top of the ancient, Epicurean and Pythagorean communities, because they were predicated upon three things when people were living together in a community. The first thing was that you had self-sustenance, that you were able to sustain yourselves and not live an exiguous existence where you're barely surviving. And the second one was that you had your friends around you, the people that you love. And the third one is that you had time for reflection, because that is the way that you deepen your soul, that is the way you go have a greater understanding and connection with not only the Earth, but your fellow man, and thus evolve yourself in the, in the fleeting time that you have here on Earth. You're supposed to move your soul from darkness to life as you get older and move along, and so that you don't find at the end of your days that you have merely approximated living. So I love this idea, I can see why they hate it, and I can see why that it would be anathema to them, that, hey, gosh, what are you guys doing over there? What you're enjoying yourself? What you're happy? Well, of course, this is the battle, isn't it? It's happiness versus a misfortune. In other words, if I could just restate it, it is slavery versus freedom. So I love it. I, I'm sorry that I, did you record it? I can go back and listen. I just followed our friend here. I didn't, don't know him, but I will look forward to going back and listening.↗

3:03:02Ian MalcolmOh, David, I think you'll be, very encouraged and excited, because, Eric is not only extremely thoughtful, and, and, there's a lot of dignity and nobility to what they're doing, but he's also been methodical with the development of the Return to the Land project,↗

3:03:22Ian MalcolmOf lawyers and other thoughtfulness that's gone into the process of ensuring that the thing they're building is completely justified, it's completely righteous, right? There's, there's, there should be no angle from which they could attack it on grounds of bigotry or bias or any of these kind of things. They're, they're merely saying, "This is a members' community, we've got these parameters, this is the, the type of person that we're looking for to be part of our club, and if they are, then they have the opportunity to take part in this community which has access to, I don't think I exactly laid that out, as litigiously as, as they will, but, it's, it's more or less to that extent, and, and that's the thing that's beautiful about it. It's not based on hatred or animus or racism or racial superiority or any of those things. It's, it's merely the love and protectionism of the thing that is their community. and so with that being said, I, I, I did see, Game of Thrones, who's, who's been around, viewing this battlefield for↗

3:04:21Ian MalcolmSixty seconds or so, so we can go back to Eric and wind down the space in maybe the next five minutes or so. But let's start with, best of the Gentiles, then we'll go to Game of Thrones. I'll be very curious for his thoughts on this awakening, right, having seen the landscape emerge over the last couple decades, and, we'll also check in with Steele, and then we'll go to Eric for some parting remarks.↗

3:04:42@american_goyboyHey, thanks for having me up, Ian and Joanne. I came into the space late,↗

3:04:51@american_goyboyAnd mulberry tree, that sounds awesome too as well, and, you know, I came into the space right when you were talking about Armenians. I'm, I'm half Armenian, so I'm gonna go, definitely go back and listen to what you had to say about that. but, I, I hope you have more of these spaces, Ian, that bring, more of a community type feel. So maybe like once a month or, you know, maybe once every, you know, six months or something like that, bringing together all these people again to, talk about progress, where we stand↗

3:05:25@american_goyboyon that and, you know, I, I, I just followed, i-is it Eric, or you go by Arvold? I just followed you, so, I hope you keep us, apprised of the, of the situation through your, through your page and, and let us know what's going on, how we're either posting or posting a video or whatnot. But, this sounds awesome, uplifting and, great. Thank you, so much for what you↗

3:05:53@american_goyboyAnd I'll end↗

3:05:56Ian Malcolmthere. Yeah, really well stated. let's go to Game of Thrones, and then we'll, we'll check in with Steele.↗

3:06:03Speaker 17Many thanks, Ian. it's probably one of the oldest, if not the oldest guy in this room. up until about five years ago, I literally, had been brought up to never, ever call out the Children of the Promised Land. And boy, did I have a education. Started with the Scofield Bible and what a bullshit, nonsensical scheme that was. It worked on many, many, many of my boomer friends. Many of them, not just a few, most of them actually. And I've been just sp- spreading the word and just saying, "Look, guys, open your frickin' eyes. You know, we're in a day and age of, where it's instant news. The massacre of tens of thousands of people in Gaza, if that doesn't wake people up, including people my age? The Boomerang guys? Oh, shit.↗

3:07:05Speaker 17then I say this, this world is gone. I mean, there's no hope. There's, there's no frickin' way. If this didn't wake you up, then God help you all.↗

3:07:15Speaker 10You didn't learn about this on TV, obviously. So where did you first start hearing about this?↗

3:07:21Speaker 17Stu?↗

3:07:22Speaker 10What piqued your interest? Because, you know, you need to have a conversation with my dad. Like↗

3:07:27Speaker 17your space here. No worries, no worries. I'm, I'm proud as hell to be, you know, quote unquote, as they say, enlightened. I mean, I looked at this nonsense, the bullshit gaslighting, two days ago, the let, you know, the call to Bibi, the furious call to Bibi from DJT. "Oh, everybody hates Israel now. I saved you from going to prison now." Come on, guys. I mean, gaslighting 101 right there. Unfreaking believable. It's just so↗

3:08:04Speaker 8ridiculous, isn't it? Because once you see it, it's like, "Wait a minute, were they always this bad at this shit?"↗

3:08:12Speaker 17They're really bad, Stu. They're fucking horrid at it. They're really, really bad at covering this shit. And, and then, you know, the, the, the sad part about it is The more narcissistic this guy becomes, the more he believes his own shit and those around him, the Mark Levens of this world, oh, we've elected the first Jewish president, you know, he's right. I mean, no pushback at all from this godish, English purported Protestant that never, you know, held a Bible in his hand. Hey, you know what? Can↗

3:08:46Speaker 10I ask you something?↗

3:08:48Speaker 17Yeah, buddy. So↗

3:08:50Speaker 10I'd like to think that there are a lot of intelligent boomers, you know? and I get in trouble with the boomers on my show all the time, I see it in the chat, you know, I get emails because I'm hard on the boomers, you know, I'm, I'm holding a generation basically accountable, with the recognition that obviously, you know, nobody is without salvation, right? I mean, nobody is beyond repair. The pool isn't too full, like we're happy to have people jump in, so it's refreshing to hear somebody like you say these things. But my question is,↗

3:09:27Speaker 10are there really as many intelligent boomers as I think there are, or is it some sort of a willful ignorance? You know, I mean, certainly you have peers your age that you've had this conversation with since you, you know- Started learning about this, becoming J-pilled, red pilled, however you wanna put it. certainly you've had these conversations, and I would imagine that you've had a tremendous amount of putback in some respects and some other success, maybe, I don't know. But I'm interested to hear, you know, what is it about Boomers that it's like, I mean, they will, they will put all of their faith, like, were they distanced from God? You know, do they have no conviction? Like, what is it?↗

3:10:11Speaker 10what is it↗

3:10:12Speaker 17that- Let me answer that very, the best way I can, Stu. Pastor Hagee and, Joel Osteen and all these friggin', you know, the- Yeah, but I mean, okay, so get↗

3:10:24Speaker 10away, get away from that part of it because that's, I mean, I don't think that's a big faction of these people. Do you, do you really think-- Because I know, well, let me just put it this way, like I'm speaking for-- I'm speaking from, I guess maybe selfishly from my own position, because I don't know if you've heard this, but recently,↗

3:10:43Speaker 10I, I made it public because, you know, obviously I'm just, I'm just a transparent guy. I don't know, I just talk about my shit. But my dad actually cut me off like a month ago. He, he sent me a text message, you know, that, that he was very disappointed, he was getting emails from some, some very affluent, very successful friends of his, is the way that he put it. And, you know, they, they're just appalled because they used to listen to my show, they loved all the information that I put out during COVID. They don't know what happened to me. You know, I've just turned incredibly hateful and racist and antisemitic, and, you know, all of the bullshit talking points that these fucking boomers get pummeled with on the Fox News Channel by literally every single guest twenty-four hours a day. It's all about the fucking Jews and Israel and greatest ally and that and I mean, these guys, they just get pummeled with this Jesse Waters bullshit every fucking night. And, you know, so that's what he hit me with. And, and so I just said, "You know, Dad, I, it's, it's surprising to me, as intelligent as you are, and it's surprising to me as my dad, because you raised me, you know, to always question authority and be an independent and critical thinker, and it's just, it's shocking to me that when this is so in your face..." You know, that you're just unwilling to listen to it, and he told me that that was, you know, that I'm gonna continue perpetuating my hate, and he doesn't know who I've turned into, and he doesn't want anything to do with it. And, you know, I sent him some stuff on, you know, the war that we're in. Like, I mean, I'm-- I'd like to think that I'm well-studied in this, and, you know, I'm paying attention every single day to what's going on. I never take a↗

3:12:35Speaker 10And I'm on the air talking about my perception of what's happening, and I'm, so I'm just like handing him some relevant resources and, very clear and factual objective citations for the things that I'm saying, and I'm, you know, like not like throwing it in his face or being, you know, hyperbolic in any way. I wasn't trying to sell him, I'm just like, "Dad, take a look at this." And then he said that it was hateful, the things that I was sending him. When↗

3:13:02@nietzsche258918did, when did this happen? This is about a↗

3:13:03Speaker 10month ago. And, and the last thing that he said to me is, "Um, you know, I crawled my ass through the rice paddies of Vietnam so that you could talk this bullshit on the internet. What have you ever done for your country? I'm blocking you." And he cut off his relationship with me, his only son, and with Most importantly and notably, his two grandsons who are of the age where a relationship with their grandfather is like, you know,↗

3:13:36Speaker 10it's really important, at least it was to me at the age of fourteen and eleven.↗

3:13:40@nietzsche258918The first thing that I I will say about that is this, this happened during our revolution. And by the way, I'm very sad to hear that for you, my friend. My dad, my dad kind of comes around. He, he-- I take it from a philosophical point of view, and he's just a very pragmatic person, and, it's just like all new to him. but I, I just wanna say from the bottom of my heart, like part of the fight against this incredibly tyrannical force, and I think there's a romanticism to being part of this fight, the same way↗

3:14:11@nietzsche258918That the two great res-rev- the cre- the two great generations in American history are the one that founded our country and us, because we may not be the heroes of today, but we will be tomorrow. And you, my friend, the courage to always stick to the truth. You can't love the truth without loving the truth that doesn't love you back, that doesn't affirm what you're supposed to say or what's gonna make everybody love you or hug you. This is just the way it is, and it is the way it always has been. Benjamin Franklin Famously, had a falling out with his own son, and it's just, he had to stick to his principles. You have to stay moored to your principles. It's just a live or die thing from a spiritual point of view. but I will say, I think the answer is, is simpler about the boomers. You know, George Orwell depicted a world that would control your, everything about you by watching you with a screen. Who would have thought that quite the reverse is true? It's the fact that these people are consuming media In a, in a very traditional way, they're glued to Fox News or whatever it is every day. They read The Epic Times. I, I know I've seen 'em doing this, and my wife's dad too, by the way. And so I know how it works, and I, I'm just-- I don't know what else to say. I think that, I mean, they're not making more boomers, so it's not really--↗

3:15:33@nietzsche258918We're just almost like marketers where we're not, you know, that's not who we're selling to, but it is very sad, I know really the, the pain of what you're experiencing there, and I, I'm actually proud of you for still going forward as a result of that.↗

3:15:49Speaker 10Well, yeah, I mean, I look, I mean, he's, he's gaslighting himself. He's very clearly, you know, programmed, and I think that a lot of it has probably got to do with, number one, the pressure that he gets from his so-called affluent, very successful friends, as he phrased it in the text message that he sent me, you know, and he's, he's impressioned These people, because, you know, they are of the same cloth, you know, they are a Vietnam War veteran, you know, successful real estate developing, you know, archery hunting, game farm building, work with your hands entrepreneurs, you know, level C executives, they all served in the military, whether they were drafted or like my dad enlisted, in Vietnam and ended up being EOD, and, I mean, you know, look I just tried to tell him, "Hey, Dad, you know, we talked the other week about the suicide rate of veterans. You know, did you know that right now there's a record-setting number of conscientious objectors, and these are people who are active duty servicemen that are deployed in forward areas, like right now off the Strait of Hormuz, that there's like patriotic mutinies happening aboard these ships because, you know, they realize what's going on here and they don't wanna be a part of it. This is very well documented and it's easily sourced by anybody that just spends Like five seconds on their keyboard and gets away from Fox News, but he won't do it. It's like four o'clock every morning when he gets up, it's the Fox News channel and it's on all day in his house. He comes in for lunch, he owns a dog kennel facility, now that's his retirement gig. He comes in, you know, for, for lunch or whatever, his summer sausage or venison sandwich, and it's Fox News at max volume. And then when he's done working at the end of the day, he comes inside for a gimlet and sits down↗

3:17:39Speaker 10It, it just, that's, that's what it is every single day, and it just surprises me. I don't know because there's a lot of boomers that I know that are very, very much like that, where they, they get out and they go talk to people, and it just seems to me like now this is a generation that maybe because of their age in part, they have just decided to isolate and kind of- You know, I don't know. Maybe that's all they have now. What else are they gonna do?↗

3:18:06@nietzsche258918Well, in eighteen, in eighteen-- I'm sorry, in seventeen sixty five, if your father was in his golden years, the simple question is, would you side with the seditionists? Because your country would be England, and every one of our forefathers was a seditionist! Benjamin Franklin said, "We better hang together, or we're all going to hang separately." They were seditious, they were viewed as traitors. In fact, the British government thought that they deserved to be treated as traitors and not some sort of foreign army. So ask the great question, I mean, I think you should just tell your dad you love him, you know, send him a message or something every month or something, and, you know, I know we're not talking, but I love you and I hope all is well. But if you can ever have a real discussion,↗

3:18:49@nietzsche258918Seventeen sixty five, would he side with the seditious or the country, and I'm italicizing that, that he was so loyal to and served for so long?↗

3:19:00Speaker 8You know what, I just followed you.↗

3:19:03Speaker 10Hold, yeah, hold on a second, please. Dude, David, he's, he's impeccable. I don't know how I haven't heard you or come across you. I, I guess I don't do spaces as much as I used to, but I'm, I'm certainly glad that I did, and I gave you a follow, so,↗

3:19:19Speaker 10I haven't heard anybody really say it like that, and that is an excellent parallel. the seditionist. That's, that's a, that's really valuable stuff. Good work, thank you.↗

3:19:29@nietzsche258918Yeah, and I, I app- I, I appreciate that, of course, I've al-already been following you, but I will say it's just long suffering what we have to do. You know, the Jewish supremacists, they're hateful, they're mean, they're nasty. I just confronted one in another space, and all we have, look, you know, there's And his buddy heard him kind of return with kindness, and the guy went away, and, and then, then his bro- his friend said, to Jesus, the prophet as they represented him, "Why did you respond with kindness?" And he said, "That's all I had in my purse." We can't cultivate the anger, we don't have that, so we actually kind of have to take the blows, and isn't the stronger person capable of doing that? You know, I just have to say, I don't know another way out for us. I think we are defined by our loves and not our hatreds, and what is our ultimate love? Emancipation! You know, I keep saying, and I said it in the last space, freedom isn't just our right as our people, it's our destiny as a species. We want to be free. Nobody wants to be told what to do, how to think, what they're allowed to say, you know? Nobody wants to be told how to raise their kids with whom they can associate. Nobody throughout↗

3:20:41@nietzsche258918It takes a lot of people to have courage, whether it be the people with William Wallace on Stirling Bridge, or for a good, good time, the people at the Passchendaele, they held back the Persians for a while, and then our own forefathers who fought barefoot in the snow. I'm sorry, but we have to be long-suffering and we have to keep saying, "This is what we love. We don't want vengeance. We're not defined by our hatred," and the people that oppose us seem to get really angry about that.↗

3:21:08Speaker 17Stu, if I may, let me just address quickly what you so eloquently talked about with your dad. Unfortunately, I never had the chance to have that conversation with my dad because he died of cancer when I was twenty-seven years old. He was a staunch, Scofield Bible guy. He was a pastor, an evangelist, okay? So this is what I was brought up with. I never had the chance. My dad died in nineteen eighty-three. I was twenty- 27 years old, Stu. So, I mean, I have a daughter, thank God she knows, not only the Lord, but she knows this bullshit cold, okay? She learned↗

3:21:52Speaker 17Just by listening, by being open to this, alright? There aren't many boomers, too, who will want to have this conversation. Why? Because it stings so deeply into what they were ingrained with from their childhood. That was what I was trying to get across, alright? These people like Hagee and all these people are- I just, I just wonder↗

3:22:14Speaker 10if some of that is because they realize that they are- You know, in the end years of their lives, and, you know, the kind of regret that they might have, or the pain, I guess, that they would have to deal with Coming to the recognition and actually admitting out loud that they have made life-altering decisions, not only for themselves, but for the generations after them, that were extremely detrimental based on their unwillingness to see this or the fact that they didn't, and now they won't admit it. I don't know. That, that's gotta be-- I, I would compare it to like, you know, now you know what the COVID shots were, but you were the guy that was physically fighting with some other asshole to get your kid to the front of the line to be in- Rejected. What kind of guilt must you feel, you know? and I guess I would compare it to something like that.↗

3:23:07@nietzsche258918That's a great analogy.↗

3:23:08Speaker 17Yeah, that was very, very well put, Stu. I'd appreciate a follow back if, if you'd be so inclined. I have you at six hundred and sixty-six. that you follow. I don't like that number, so do me a favor, follow me with it, sir. but God bless you. I will say, no, honestly, guys, no, David, I don't- I hope it's a good↗

3:23:30Speaker 10sign that I broke that number and not a bad sign that I jumped on at that number.↗

3:23:38Speaker 17I just, I have been plagued by so many people with this six, six, six shit. No, I can't stand it. No, I just wanna say this, guys, more people are waking up than are turning their head away, because it's too damn in your face. I don't care if you're the, the vodka gimlet drinker that turns on Fox News at full volume, no, no, no, no, no. I, I'm waking up people left and right all around me. Again, I'm seventy, Stu. 70 years old. I died, my dad died when I was 27. Imagine being without a dad for so many years of your life. My mom died, she was 85 years old in 2001. So yeah, I mean, I've, I have seen and gone through the freaking ringer on this chosen people shit. And I, it, it took me a while to realize the synagogue of Satan is real and alive and the Ashkenazis. Oh shit. I could talk for hours, but God- Thank you, Stu. Thank you, David, for chiming in as you did.↗

3:24:41Speaker 17I hope, Stu, that, that helps.↗

3:24:46Speaker 17It does, man.↗

3:24:47Speaker 10It, it does. And, you know, I mean, look, nobody is saying anything that I haven't considered or thought of because, I mean, it's just the truth. And like you said, if you're just unwilling to say the truth or just deal with it head on You know, then what are we actually doing here? And he's all of the above, and he's not alone. Unfortunately, you are, as a seventy-year-old man, you are a minority as far as your ideological perspectives, you know, among your generation. And that's just something that I guess forward-facing, we just all have to admit. It's, you know, the writing is on the wall. We're not gonna save everybody, and most of these boomers, my dad included, and his retarded, like, I don't know if he's a millennial or what. His friend Jason, you know, this-- these are the people that are putting all of this pressure on him, and I know who they are because immediately after this happened, these guys end up, you know, in my, in my replies, you know, so it's like, okay, well, you guys aren't using X, and you just came here to say this, so it's, it's pretty easy to see that, you know? Whatever, he's the drowning victim. If I jump in to save him, he's gonna be pissed off and pull me down with him. So at this point, you know, the advice, I don't remember if it was you or David that said, "Hey, say, you know, send a, send an email or whatever once a month just to check in."↗

3:26:03Speaker 8Yep.↗

3:26:04Speaker 10You know, I think that's probably the best approach for me because look, at the end of the day, he's my dad, you know? And, and, and his, his unwillingness to cope or deal with↗

3:26:19Speaker 10That he lacks the testicular fortitude, it's not gonna change the world, you know, with or without that, but it will change, you know, the upbringing of my, my kids, to not have that relationship with him. So I think, you know, I mean, the obvious, the obvious answer is do whatever I can to bridge that, personally speaking. But, you know, from, from the perspective of somebody who has an audience, and I'm discussing these issues every day rather than just continuing to be frustrated, I guess what I'm trying to do is understand. So when I saw you in the space, I just had to, you know, I had to ask you what your perspective was on this, and I appreciate you giving it to me. Thank you.↗

3:27:04@joann_marieHi, that was, that was beautiful. And I'm so sorry about what's going on with your dad, too. Alright, we have Oliver back. Hey, Oliver? Oh, we haven't gone as well.↗

3:27:17@newglorycomithThere's so many good people coming to the space. I have an interesting quote for you all, and because I have to go, if I can insert that now, I don't know if everybody knows it, already, but, there was a Jewish professor, Israel Shahak, and he wrote in his book, "Everywhere Classical Judaism Developed Hatred and Contempt for Agriculture as an Occupation and for Peasants as a Class, Even More Than for Other Gentiles." So that's, that's a very interesting quote which relates to the topic here. And of course, I'm also sorry, but, as Stu experienced, I experienced the same during the pandemic with my mother, but we reconciled.↗

3:27:58Speaker 10Well, that's great. I'm glad that you did because you only get one mom, you know? And I saw that happening throughout COVID. I was very fortunate actually throughout COVID with my parents. you know, my mom kind of became like a pseudo doctor listening to my show with her wine tasting club gals. And they went into these clinics and they started berating pharmacists at the, big box stores and asking for the inserts and asking for informed consent, and they were running around town acting like a bunch of hoodlums at these, at these doctors' offices and clinics. They would sit outside of these, you know, pop-up injection places and, you know, hand out like flyers. It was great. but this, this whole, Jewish supremacy,↗

3:28:43Speaker 10American, you know, relationship to Israel and, or rather, Israel's infestation of America. and the fact that actually, you know, I've come to the realization that it's not even like America and Israel anymore, they, them, and us, we. It's like basically impossible to draw a distinction between the two at this point. They are the fucking same. And it's all the same people, you know, that are using this fake country, this illegitimate nineteen forty-eight founded country as the front lines for their pedophile enterprise and their child sex trafficking networks and their munitions and their bunkers and their shekels and, you know, the front lines of the military-industrial complex. It's just like a munitions facility filled with pedophiles and homosexuals. It's the most degenerate, fucking, satanic place. That anybody could ever possibly imagine, and it just, it just strikes me that there are so many people that will, you know, just blindly continue to put all of the things that they see right in front of their faces. Nobody can miss this genocide You know, it's been broadcasting live stream in 4K since October 7th of '23. Like anybody that's unwilling to look at Eric Kirk's behavior and say, "Well, that's not, you know, bizarre, that's not fucking weird and psychopathic, and, you know, there's definitely no corruption in our government, I just blindly trust them," these are the drowning victims that I was alluding to. Like, I mean, it's like, you can't- You can, we can do what we can do, and we just can pray that our words will resonate and, you know, that the power of the tongue and God is gonna do whatever He's gonna do with these people at the end of the day, whether He's gonna open them to this or not. but, you know, like I've, I've gotten beyond the "Hey, we can save everybody" thing, and at this point, that's what intrigues me about conversations like what Eric's having, and intentional communities, and just getting the fuck away from these people, and, you know, giving them no jurisdiction over you at all, whatsoever. These people are illegitimate, their authority is illegitimate, they are criminals of the worst topical order that you could possibly imagine. They're, they're depraved, they're degenerate, they're satanic, they're all of these fucking things, and they have no legitimate jurisdiction. So I just hope that people, if anybody takes away anything from this conversation, just roll your shoulders back and hold your head up high and be a through-and-through dissident no matter where you go. It doesn't mean that you have to be a shit-starter, but be fucking ungovernable. Don't let these people push you around. They have no jurisdiction, their authority is illegitimate, and you should look down on them. You know↗

3:31:26Speaker 10Into a city council meeting because some fucking council member is telling you he's gonna have you removed because you're opposing the data centers, you should look him back in the face and tell him, "No, no, motherfucker, we're gonna remove you, you know, by any means necessary. You work for me." You know? And so did those cops, and fuck them too for enforcing this tyranny. They have no legitimate authority either. And this FBI, where did they even get their charter from? Does anybody even know that? Like, where does their enforcement authority come from in the first place? These are just a band of thugs, they're the enforcement arm. They're no different than the Bloods and the Crips in Chicago or the Vice Lords or the gangster's disciples. They're no different from these people. They just operate at a different level with a whole new number of shekels, and they don They don't play with guns, they play with directed energy weapons, and they play with, you know, fucking biological weapons of warfare and propaganda. I mean, these people are sick. But when you know who they are, you should just recognize, hey, I don't have anything to worry about, because these people have no jurisdiction over me and no authority in my life whatsoever. So, I don't know if that hits for you. Amen.↗

3:32:42Speaker 12It↗

3:32:43@nietzsche258918definitely does, yeah. And our founding documents are redolent with this idea that we own ourselves, of self-ownership. You know, I tell everybody, you know, you only have one freedom because you have one mind and one body, but your rights extend as innumerable from that one freedom as rays of light extend from the sun. You have the right to look left, right, take a sip of coffee, scratch your head, you know, you-- Why is it that our forefathers listed an infinitesimally small group of rights? Because they knew that when tyranny came a knockin', those would be the ones that they're comin' after. And of course, first on that list right now is your right to speak, because if I wanna control what you think, I have to control what you can say. And of course, slavery, which is what we're fighting against, is literally confiscating your few cubic feet of flesh, and anybody that would do so, anybody who'd violate any of your rights, is anti-American. There is absolutely, just as you said, Stu, no legitimacy to it whatsoever. Where did you get this magical right?↗

3:33:43Speaker 10And all that I've done- All people are imprisoning themselves by choice. They are allowing themselves to say, "Ooh, that's something that I shouldn't say." You know, when I first talked to Phil Turner and the, and the survivors of the USS Liberty attack, that was kind of like my introduction to all of this because I was just blown away by the fact that these people have never had their day in court. I mean, thirty-four American servicemen were murdered by this Illegitimate nation state, and nobody has ever held anybody accountable. Oh, well, that's only the tip of the iceberg, as we've all been discussing here for a long time. But anyway, it was that visceral response. It was, it was people, you know, first external, then internal, people that worked with me, people that worked for me,↗

3:34:28Speaker 10advertisers, you know, saying to me things like, "Hey, th-this isn't, this isn't the, tributary you wanna go down here." You know, you don't, you don't want to explore these waters. you can say whatever you want about any other group of people, but you, you know, you don't, you don't talk about these Jews. And I'm like, what?↗

3:34:51Speaker 10And it was, it was probably that response that just had me, well, it, it put, it put me on the path to where I am now, which certainly isn't the end, but, you know, here I am. And that's what, that's what was responsible for that. But, you know, a lot of people I think would be like, "Oh, well, yeah. Well, what do you mean?" "Well, I mean, that's just the one thing that will get you canceled everywhere from everything. Like, you will, you will not hold↗

3:35:20Speaker 10Have sponsors, I mean, you'll be, you'll be run off the internet completely, you'll be canceled everywhere, you'll lose all your investors, like, I mean, you'll be fucked. and a lot of people would go, "Oh, well, I, I don't want that," and that's their price. Their price is self-preservation. You know, when they say every man has a price, it can come as cheap as that. Just the idea that there could be some unwanted conflict that finds its way to your front door because of the fucking words that you're saying, despite the fact that you know they are true, and you know that because of how true they are, there is an imminent threat that faces not just you, but your children and, you know, all of the people that you love and care about, but you're not gonna say anything because you will enslave yourself willingly because of self-preservation, because of fear. Fear is the one emotion that will force people to do things, even the most alpha of men, that they would never, you know, consider even thinking about doing. Which, you know, I mean, obviously has led to people doing a whole lot more than just staying quiet, how about injecting themselves with a, you know, like experimental fucking thing that was killing everybody around them and turbo cancers and myocarditis and, you know, yeah, no, just like, I've, I've gotta do it because I'm scared. It's, it's just unbelievable because, when people say, "Oh, well, that guy sold his soul," you don't even realize how many people there are among us, that did it for free. They just gave their soul away.↗

3:36:56Speaker 10and it, it's, it's like, it's obvious to see who they are, and it's almost hard to admit, you know, in these times, "Well, wow, I mean, I thought that was a good one, and now I realize," but hey, bare naked honesty, that's the way that↗

3:37:09@nietzsche258918Yeah, Ian has a recording about the cost of reticence. I think that was he and I that did that, and about where reticence leads, and you're absolutely right, this self-censorship. It's a kind of demoralization. The only way that you can conquer a people forever is to take away their morals, which is why we call it demoralization. And John Adams said that, not me, he said, "Only a virtuous people can be free. You have to have your morals, otherwise you can't be free, because self-governance, well, what mechanism in your consciousness allows you to self-govern? Your morals. And the first step of deracinating those morals is to get you just to not have the courage to speak. The idea that you're the progen Men who fought barefoot in the snow, and you won't even raise your dried voice and say, "This is bullshit. Jewish supremacy is wrong." You know, Frederick Douglass, right when he became emancipated, he said, "You know, censorship is a double wrong. It's not just an offense against a person's right to speak, but a person's right to hear." And if you're censoring yourself, what you're telling yourself is, "Everybody else should do that, and you'll never be able to hear the truth." How do you know what you're missing? How do you↗

3:38:20@nietzsche258918Like they used to do in the Soviet Union, only find truth at the bottom of a bottle of vodka. No, we're not gonna do that. We're Americans. We're supposed to be about liberty and freedom. We're supposed to, we're supposed to have the courage to stand up, and even, as Pericles said, even if we're on the wrong side or the losing side, he said, "There's no shame in losing, except for the unwilling to fight." So you're protecting your soul and your morals by speaking out, and you're giving them away if you don't speak.↗

3:38:50Ian MalcolmAnd really quickly to, to go back, 'cause I, I know that Eric has to go and, and might be a great segue and setup for him. And what we'll do is, we'll, we'll get some parting remarks here, from Eric, and then I wanna make sure that we do get a chance to hear from, I think it was, Uncle Hoss who came in, and hadn't spoken yet. So, really quickly, why don't we go to Eric for those final words?↗

3:39:14Ian MalcolmAnd, and I mean Project and, and now gonna be doing so litigiously, against a, a Jewish woman who seeks to take it away from you. So, kinda curious for any of your thoughts here, as, as we kinda wind this down.↗

3:39:32Speaker 1Right. Yeah. I mean, the bigger picture, I totally agree with what you said, David. if we don't have the courage to say what we think is right or wrong, then we're in no position really to defend who we want to be and who we want to make ourselves. we'll have no control over our countries. And those things are given by God, but God gives us the capacity to exercise our freedoms. He doesn't actually, you know, get down on the battlefield and fight for us, generally speaking. So, right now, you know, what battlefields do we actually have? What can we do? We can speak our mind as we should, and those of us who are courageous enough should go ahead and speak our mind according to our actual opinions with our actual name and tell those people in our, our real lives who we care about, like our family. And again, sorry, Sue, what's happening with your- Your dad, I'm having issues, with my brother now, and it's really sad. Our country has been torn apart by a parasitical elite and also by the disunity created by our demographic transformation that's being conducted against our will, without our consent. we do have to stand up for our, ourselves and our rights and speak our mind, but really we have to find something to do in the real world and make a difference 'cause endless- X spaces aren't, I mean, they make some kind of difference, but it's not gonna make the difference itself.↗

3:41:10Speaker 1so our approach with return to the land is we have control over where we live, over how we- manage our food, what we eat, how we educate our kids. We can build a lot of things for ourselves and take our destiny into our own hands, and none of us have to do it on our own, you know? If you can buy land and be off-grid and kind of live like a hermit, and that's what you want, great, you know, you do have the freedom to do that. Most of us aren't that self-sufficient, and we need others, and we can actually have a more rewarding life if we do it with others. And there are only so many people. I think it is inevitable, you know, our ideas are spreading, the truth will spread, and these platforms are a big part of that, but↗

3:42:00Speaker 1You know, there's only so many people out there who are willing to make some kind of change to their lives because of that state of affairs. I think most people will take the path of least resistance, and as long as society is relatively stable, they probably won't take revolutionary action. You know, we're not gonna pick up our muskets and go march on the Capitol or anything like that.↗

3:42:30Speaker 1You can say that's unfortunate, but I think we have a more exciting option actually, one that is defending our rights very directly by living the kind of lives we want to live, building the kind of businesses we want to build, being, you know, friends, with the kind of people that we want, living in neighborhoods that we want, living the lives that we actually want. Government doesn't tell us Or doesn't give us the ability to, to live our, our dream or how we, how we want our life to be, it's up to us. As an individual, you know, you can do only so much. Really, most of life comes to fruition through our relationships, through our family, and through that larger extended family, our people, and we have a chance to actually realize that. And it's one thing that they just can't take away.↗

3:43:24Speaker 1we can do it informally if they outlaw the, the mechanisms that we're using to try and do it according to their rules. If somehow they just drove us out of the country, well, we would find some corner of the world to get started again, and then we would grow. And it's in our spirit, it's in our, our nature as a people to build↗

3:43:46Speaker 1Civilizations that respect human dignity, that respect our, our capacity for independent thought and, and, and the freedom to express who we are, but within limits, you know? And I think the modern day, the unlimited aspect of freedom has come to the fore, and that's that aspect that really you make these decisions as an individual. Hey, do I want to drink today? Hey, do I want to,↗

3:44:14Speaker 1get into this affair? Do I want- I want to do, do these things that I shouldn't do. Do I want to gamble? And all of that is celebrated, and we're given those freedoms, but the actual freedom, the delimited orderly freedom to express your nature, can only be done in community. And, you know, it's up to you in this time in history, do you form those communities? 'Cause they don't really exist. maybe a few special places in this country, those old connections still- subsist, but not where I grew up, you know, I'm from California, there was no possibility of me having that. So I was driven, I've moved all over the country throughout my life, and I've looked for community and I've joined↗

3:44:59Speaker 1I think I mentioned before I was in a cult at one point, I worked for it, I didn't actually believe in the stuff, but I was in like a leftist community at one point, I was totally lost, and I made terrible, terrible decisions, and I've seen the problems of modernity firsthand, and I recognize the threat that it poses to my kids if I don't create something different, and I'm not gonna bank on us just winning from the top down, we'll get in there, we'll kick in the door, and say, "We're taking it back." It'd be awesome if that happened, but I'm not gonna,↗

3:45:34Speaker 1you know, stake my children's future on it. I'm gonna make sure that they have, a community where they have friends of like mind with a similar background, where they're connected to the land, where they're eating good food, and, and no matter what, we will realize that If we have to do it in hiding, that's what we'll do. If we have to do it abroad, that's what we'll do. But no one can stop us from being who we are.↗

3:46:03Speaker 1I saw an article saying like, "White Americans, the birth rate is going up so quickly that we will actually be the highest fertility demographic," which is awesome. And, you know, I see that in this community, like, the fertility rates here on the land, alone are really good, and all of the women getting together and, you know, hearing news of people- Getting pregnant and these families being connected, it's, it feels like a real community, it feels like there's actually life again, sorta for the first time in my life. I felt like I was running from one community to another that was just falling apart, and that's the country, and that's what a lot of people are actually living with. And you can be the one that breaks that and lives differently, you know? Like, the Mulberry app, lady, that sounds so great, being connected to the people who are making your food↗

3:46:56Speaker 1having that sense of local community and, being connected to the source of our life actually. And so many other projects that, you know, you- Might have an idea to start, you can start now with others, you know? you don't have to be an island here. So return to the land, it's a big group of people, it's a lot of very, very intelligent people, it's a lot of business owners, entrepreneurs, software engineers, and also blue collar workers. And, unless you join an organization and go through some kind of application process and get vetted and build trust There's no step two, right? You can't go straight from talking about stuff on X to changing the world. First, you have to build a community, and there has to be some order to building that community. We have our way, you know, and we encourage other people to explore other options, obviously. And I'll join other groups if you have founded some kind of group, you know, let me know, and I'll, I'll see if I can apply to yours, but we have a lot of momentum going, and obviously, now- Although we are facing a very high profile case, it could be that case that actually determines do we have the right to do this or do we have to like follow Peter Thiel to Argentina or something. So, not that I'm a Thiel guy, I'm just saying, maybe he had the right idea if the legal system is just that far gone.↗

3:48:22Speaker 1So, yeah, if you wanna help in that struggle, it's gonna affect all of us, actually, white Americans, other Americans, too. I think America could be a really great place, even if we didn't deport everyone who's not white, which I know a lot of people actually want. but even if we didn't do that Many different communities living their best lives in their own homogeneous neighborhoods, and then some people who mix elsewhere, I mean, that's fine. But the freedom to be able to manifest our destiny as the various peoples with our various cultures, but under a legal framework that respects, you know, our God-given rights, I, I could accept that. I could definitely live with that, and that is the moderate option, and that's what we're basically offering to the system, it's what we're offering to the pedophile elite. Well, we don't have to kick in the doors, we don't have to make this,↗

3:49:15Speaker 1you know, world-ending thing for you. Actually, we're, we're forgiving, you know, I'm a Christian, not all of the people in our DTL are, but Maybe it's not too late for the people in power if they can learn to give us those freedoms, but of course they are parasites and as, I think David said, the, the flea just wants the blood, and they wanna keep us around and keep us shackled.↗

3:49:42Speaker 1We're not gonna let 'em, and we have the freedom to just step away if we build our own systems. too much of it is voluntary, you know? You go to work for them, you buy a house from them, you're financing with their banks, and all of those decisions-- I know it feels like you don't have other good options, but you are enslaving yourself when you do all those things. And that's why we did return to the land. We bought our own land, we're building our own houses. We're looking to build our own business networks, employ each other, provide our own financing, our own financial technologies, and any other great idea that the brilliant people in these spaces come up with. And this was a very productive space, and thank you very much for inviting me. I was impressed by basically all the speakers, with like one ex-exception, the guy who didn't know he, he was gonna talk about, and then he just came up. But, but yeah, no, it's, I feel, I feel the spirit, I feel like it is inevitable, but only if we make that transition, build organizations, and start doing something in the real world.↗

3:50:43Speaker 1but yeah, if you do wanna help our fight, we do have a, a fundraiser And as much as we can raise, we will fight with all of those resources. So, giveandgo dot com slash r t t l dash legal dash fees. right now we just got served today, you know? People have known about the lawsuit, it was filed last week, and this is just the beginning of it.↗

3:51:08Speaker 1I'm very, very curious, just like I'm sure all of you are, to see what comes of this, and it'll tell us a lot about the state of this country and how far gone it is, and what our real options are. Win or lose, we'll gain information that we desperately need, 'cause we can't live in this anarcho-tyranny ambiguity where we don't even know, like, can I have a neighborhood where I pick my neighbors? Or is the government going to, to tell me how to live my life top to bottom? I'm not gonna live in that kind of country one way or another. And, so this is basically the system's last chance. This is their chance to pick the moderate option and let bygones be bygones, give us our freedom. We won't lynch you or whatever, you know, put you on the chopping block. Not that that's in store, that's the, the plan per se. but, you know, and I wouldn't be the one to organize that, but there are people a lot more fiery than myself, maybe people like Stu, I don't know, he said some pretty fiery things just now.↗

3:52:12Speaker 1I my own kids, I want them to be in a safe country. And, and so I'm taking the stand that I can, the members of RTTL are taking that stand as far as we can see is best for us. If you wanna join us, returntoland dot org, and you can fill out an online application. It's a pretty simple process, twenty-five dollar membership due one time, and then you're in, you're in the chats, and we will link you up with people. Marriages have come together because of RTTL, children have been born Because of our DTL, businesses have started, and, it's just the beginning. So get involved one way or another. But once again, thank you all, for the excellent space and the candor and, David, I, I followed you back 'cause you mentioned Pythagoras, and then you just kept saying really neat stuff, so I'll be checking out your content in particular. Just↗

3:53:04@nietzsche258918throw out Pythagoras and that gets a follow?↗

3:53:07Speaker 1Well, I'm, I'm a Pythagorean.↗

3:53:09@nietzsche258918Oh, I see, okay. Alright, okay.↗

3:53:12Ian MalcolmAlright, yeah, thanks again, everyone. Have a great night. No, absolutely. And, and Eric, the, the, the curious thing, so this space, we, we've got lots of conversations that we hold, some, more animated than others, this one extremely productive, and it's one that I'm extremely proud of, and I say that because, of, of not only the productive nature of it, but also the intellect of so many of the speakers behind the conversation, and the things that you've been doing, Eric, are, are beyond heroic. You Been out on the front lines, building a community with your hands, with your mind, bringing to life a lot of the, let's say, the, the, the, the spiritual reality of the ideology that so many of us wish to preserve. That, that is what you are essentially embodying. It's really spectacular. And so between that and so many others that came in to share their thoughts, their support, their suggestions, I, I, I just wanna thank you, I wanna thank everybody, I wanna thank, certainly Joanne, the Co-hosts with the most, as you always, runs the best of ships on X, and, and so with that, Eric, I, I just wanted to thank you again. We will go to a couple more speakers, make sure that, the likes of Uncle Haas get to throw out some suggestions. We'll also check in with Junior, and then what we'll do is we'll come back to, to Stu and David if they have any final remarks, and, and then we will, I guess, get that-↗

3:54:37Speaker 10I'm not gonna be around that But I just, you know, I'll stay, I'll listen for a little bit, but just, just have your way with it. I appreciate you having me up. It's been a great space. Thanks for, thanks for having me on. That's some new interesting people, so I like it, thanks.↗

3:54:54Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. Thanks again. Have a good night, guys. Lots of love, Eric, and thank you. And, and so with that, just to round things out, we will go, let's check in really quickly first and foremost with, Uncle Hoz. Gonna be curious, Hoz, for your thoughts on Return to the Land, if you're familiar with the project. Any thoughts that you might have on updates with the Bilsarian campaign, 'cause I know you're intimately involved with it, and obviously any thoughts that you have on some↗

3:55:24Ian MalcolmIs that Eric is building and, and this idea of kind of separating from the insanity of the world today.↗

3:55:30@mohammedakunjeeFirst of all, I just wanted to say thank you very much to Junior and Stuart and David. I've only just come across Eric. can I just say that whenever I come to a space and I listen to David, I feel like I'm talking to my, you know, a philosophy teacher, and I have my brain expanded every single time that guy opens his mouth up. Stuart, you are,↗

3:55:57@mohammedakunjeea flag of knowledge which is, unwilling to bend in any way, shape or form. You're making an absolutely huge difference to the way American people think, and please don't ever stop or go changing like certain other people that used to be fighters like you and have now been corrupted and turned into Shills for Israel and Jews, and there's, and by Jews, I mean the supremacist Jews. So please don't suddenly get a bucket of money from some cunts and become one of those. And I wanted to speak to Junior because Junior is a Palestinian, and everything that you see right now, everything that's happening in America right now, every movement you see, has been paid for by the blood Of Palestinians. This awakening that's taken place, it's taken place because of Gaza, because of six hundred and eighty thousand people being killed. The awakening that America has had today has opened your eyes up to Israel, things that I've seen since two thousand and fourteen when they started Operation,↗

3:57:10@mohammedakunjeeProtective Edge. I knew what America was going through back then. I understood how Israel And that has been said many times, I disagree, people repeat it one more time. Israel is a parasit-parasite, and it's a parasite sitting on the host of America and the power of America. What makes me happy is that there are people like David, Stuart, and people like Ian who are out there right now and doing what? Getting to change people's minds. You're, you are literally slowly but surely, it's like an avalanche. It starts small, it's just a small little snowball, but it makes a huge difference, and you're changing the way people think. And it's always important to, to go to these people. Like Stuart and like David, and don't think to yourselves, "Oh, it's just another guy in a space." No, you're changing people's minds. We've changed a guy called Joa, someone who's a highly intellectual person, from a non-believer to a believer. Now, if you're able to change the mind of people like that, I promise you, you can change the mind of other people. So just keep doing what you're doing, and just remember, the blood price of all of your awakening Has been paid for by the Palestinian people. I've-- By the way, Ian, just to let you know, I've now moved to Iran, and I've moved to Iran because Iran has been under attack So I got permission from my surgical team on the fourteenth of, on the seventh of May to travel and to get on a plane, but before then I wasn't allowed to travel. And as soon as I was given permission, I applied for an Iranian passport, 'cause I'm a dual national, and I basically took the first flight out here because I wanted to stand with the Iranian people, 'cause Unlike other commentators and other politicians, as you know, I am a British politician. I don't wanna be sitting in my house in, like, in Bayswater, telling people in Iran to keep fighting against Israel, to keep fighting against, you know, the, the, the Epstein class that's running America right now from my home in London. I'd rather live in Tehran, suffer the consequences the same as the other people in Tehran, and not leave Tehran and be a part of, you know, a voice of resistance Resistance against the hegemony of Israel around the world. This is just another building block for them. This is just another place where they wanna destroy people, like, like they've done everywhere else. But guess what? Iran is the wall of humanity, and we're not gonna let Israel win. And I promise you, in the end, they're gonna suffer the consequences. One last thing before I go, you are doing what you're doing, and I don't think- That America's gonna change very slowly, it's gonna be a generational change. I don't think there's any young people left in America that-↗

4:00:00Speaker 18think Israel is a good place, and whatever you're doing, it's all good and well, but the most important thing is that Israel is killing itself with every bomb it drops on Lebanon, with everything it's done in Gaza, it's turned more and more people against it. So They can't see that. They think that they are projecting power. What they're doing is projecting their own death with every bomb, missile, gun that they shoot into people in Lebanon, in Syria, and in, and what they've done in Palestine. They've awakened the world, and you, you, Ian, you're the one for me that gets all these people to come together and has done so for about a year or so that I've seen. And you're the one that makes the most impact, because you're pulling all these different strands of people to your places. So thank you very much for the opportunity. I'm glad I got to come up and thank Stu in person for everything I've seen you do, mate. You're a fucking beacon. You're an absolute beacon. And David, don't ever stop fucking talking. Thank you, Lisa.↗

4:01:05@joann_marieI love you so much, Uncle Hassan. I'm really happy that you went back to Iran and welcome back home. And I always love everything you said, and you're such an inspiration. And I, I always pray for you. So, love you so much, Uncle. Junior, brother, how are you?↗

4:01:25Speaker 19Guys, what's up? Can you hear me clearly?↗

4:01:27@joann_marieYes.↗

4:01:28Speaker 19Oh my God, this is, this is a space full of big shots. I'm with the big sharks right now. Honestly, guys, like, I just gotta applaud, you know, Ian, Great Space, bro, I've been listening for a while. There's a lot of people, a lot of important people in the tunnels, you know, sometimes you never know who's listening, but I feel like X is a very small app where, you know, the ideas and the spaces flow very quickly. So I've been in here for a while, listening to convo. Sue, man, I'm sorry for what you're going through with your dad. You know, I'm going through a similar situation with, with my↗

4:02:00Speaker 19He thinks I'm like too extreme, I'm like putting the family in danger for absolutely no reason. He doesn't see the vision, but I'm like, I'm the type of person that will do everything I need if my conscience doesn't feel right. Everything I need to restore that balance, I'm gonna do it. And I feel like there's a lot of people like that in the space,↗

4:02:22Speaker 19good-hearted people, you know, not people who are gonna do bad things, but rather good things. And that's what we're doing. We're speaking up about the truth. We're sacrificing certain things in our lives to be able to continue exercising that right, which is a God-given right and a right that we have in America. So we shouldn't ever forget that. We shouldn't ever feel like we don't have, you know, the win on our side. Bro, I feel like the movement has actually reached a point where it's gonna win no matter what. Israel's gonna collapse no matter what. They're gonna lose no matter what. And it's reached that point. All of your guys' effort has taken this movement and this fight against Israel to a point where, like, the win is guaranteed, it's coming. But how it comes and when it comes, none of us have control over that. So recently I've been reading, you know, I've been studying the sto- the stoicism, like the, the philosophy of being a stoic, and it's, it's one of the greatest things that I've come across because it really teaches you, like-↗

4:03:21Speaker 19Control the things that you can control, everything that's out of your control, let go of it. Every day I wake up, I see you guys working really hard on X, I see you guys running spaces, posting videos, doing, you do a lot of live streams, takes up a lot of time, and you guys might not see the reward for it in this life, bro, but I promise you, if you believe in God, God will pay you guys back for everything. And I feel the same way, like that's the only reason I keep going, despite being demonetized, despite being shut down, despite being attacked, despite fighting with my dad and having family issues, you know? We're all going through it, but at the end of the day, this life will end, and at least we have something to present God with. It's like, Yo, God, when I saw children being killed, I didn't stay silent, and I never stayed silent. And I think if we all come to God with this You know, idea or sacrifice, we're, we're more than that, bro. And it, it proves more than enough that we're good people. And a lot of people aren't willing to think that far. A lot of people just wanna live their lives, be able to afford groceries, be able to afford gas, and that's it, that's, that's as far as they take it. And then when they die on their deathbed, they die full of regrets, full of ill thoughts, full of, you know, just negativity. And when I walk into rooms like this, bro, full of you guys, I feel positivity, I feel God, I feel the presence of God, I feel goodness, and that's what's missing on the other side. So if anybody's on the other side right now,↗

4:04:58Speaker 19I urge you to look at this room, I urge you to re-listen to this space, listen to some of Ian's spaces over the next few weeks, see how positive they are, look at the energy that you get, look at the- The godliness that is within these people that are fighting this fight. Yes, they're fighters. Yes, they get, they make mistakes. Yes, they do a lot of things that might be controversial or whatever. It's a fight, it's a war.↗

4:05:24Speaker 19These are warriors. Everyone on this space is a warrior. So you either stand against them or with them. There's no in-between. Stu isn't gonna care if someone's sitting on the sidelines. Are you in or are you out? 'Cause if you're out, you're an enemy. Right? And that's, it applies to family, it applies to everyone. There's, there's no discrimination when it comes to this election. Warriors select the people who are with them, and that's what these people need. They need you to be on their side. The good people need humanity on its side. So if you're a human being and you're listening to this, if you still have that humanity in you, use that to rationalize which group you should choose Use that humanity that is in you to discern whether an Ian Malcolm space↗

4:06:15Speaker 19or a stealth medical space is better, or, you know, one of these spaces that are filled with so much negativity and so many insults for no reason. These people do it just because it pleases them. And you guys sacrifice what pleases you to continue doing what's right, to continue doing what makes your consciousness feel good.↗

4:06:39Speaker 19These are the people who can live and go to sleep with their eyes closed and a happy and clear mind. I promise you, the other side isn't sleeping good. I promise you, they are going through the worst, most depressing life. They don't show it, they don't tell us, but I promise you that's how they are. Because that's literally how they, you know, admit themselves to be the IDF soldiers in the courts. Tons of evidence of these people admitting to being mentally ill, admitting to having sexual fetishes that involve rape and dark shit, and their lives get damaged because of it, because of the choices that they make, because of the things they choose to believe in. And guess what, Stu? Maybe your father's going through it, bro. Maybe your father's one of these people that suffers Internally and doesn't know how to communicate that, and he needs your help to get out of that by changing his beliefs. So don't give up on him, just like I'm not giving up on my pops. You know, family is really important. I think if you're gonna take the time to influence anybody and teach them about this, family is like the priority. Number one that you should be able to influence is your family, people around you locally. If you can do that, I promise you, you'll be viral like Ian Malcolm, you'll be viral like Stu Peters. You'll be viral like everyone that comes up on Ian's faces and talks the shit, like Dan Bilzerian, all these guys. They did it locally first. They were able to influence their family. Some family members, yeah, it's gonna be hard. But if you wanna be influential in this fight, start with your family. Don't think making an X account is gonna get you anywhere, bro. I promise, it starts with influencing your family. So Ian, Stu, all you guys Doing such a great job, man. You guys are influencing thousands of people every single day. Keep it up.↗

4:08:26Speaker 19Appreciate Uncle Hoss for the shoutout, bro. I'm doing what I can, man. I'm doing what I can. You know, Palestinians are my people. We're at the front lines in this fight against Satan, and it's really hard, but, you know, the idea that everyone dies and we're gonna meet God and everything will be held into account, I feel like religion really does help us through these times, as much as people don't care about religion, but↗

4:08:50Speaker 19yeah, I appreciate you, for letting me speak, bro. I, I'm, I was a listener, bro, so I'm not really worthy of speaking in this. still, I hope your affairs with your family get better and, you know, hopefully the project with, with Eric goes well. You know, whatever you guys are doing, Dan Bilzerian's campaign, I'm full support of that. If you guys need me to donate, share campaigns, whatever it is, I'm here. You know, I'm an available asset, always, always ready to go. And↗

4:09:20Speaker 19Like me, 'cause I'm a listener. I listen to Ian Malcolm Spaces, I love them, I'm a big fan. So, hopefully everyone can jump on that train and start supporting Ian. You know, these people need our support, they need our money, they need our funds, they need our resources to continue doing what they're doing. We're at a pivotal moment right now, and we just gotta keep increasing the pressure, that's it. So, hopefully Ian, you can keep doing more Spaces, hopefully your followers support you and, and show you love, and shout out to your 'Cause they put in hours and really, really do it for the love of the game. So, shout out to you, Joanne. Shout out to you, David. Appreciate you guys for letting me speak, man. And yeah, I'm gonna let my plane there.↗

4:10:01@joann_marieHi, God bless you, Junior, and it was so beautifully stated. And, I mean, I-↗

4:10:10@joann_marieI have seen the, the fruits of her work already. I've seen so many people waking up. I never expected people to even know where Palestine was, like I genuinely didn't know, you know? And it has cost the, the blood of her people. But, but people are waking up and people are like- Horrified by it, and there is some that are, that might be scared, but I think every day your movement grows and more and more and more, and we will stop this. And I always say this, we already won. I, I genuinely, the, the cat is out of the bag, and it's not going back. It doesn't matter what they do, it, it's, it's over for them. So we just don't see it yet, but we already won, brother, and we will have Palestine. and the world needs Joanne to be brave↗

4:10:59Speaker 19once again. You see how, you see how selfless Joanne is when she talks about what she wants to achieve. She cares about Palestine. That's, that's like, to me, bro, you know, Lebanon is suffering, Lebanon is going through it right now, she's Lebanese, and sh- and her heart is with Palestine. That's like, I'm, I'm↗

4:11:17@joann_marieboth Palestinian and Lebanese. That's crazy. Like Joanne, like↗

4:11:20Speaker 19that's, but that's the craziest part is like Just in retrospect, you know, 'cause, 'cause what you said is really powerful, I believe that many people share the same, you know, way of thinking is like all they want out of this is for Palestine to be free. They don't even care about, I mean, if, if Palestine is↗

4:11:37@joann_mariefree, I think Lebanon is also gonna be free because they're not gonna have Israel there, right? And also, America is gonna be free. So I think if we free Palestine, we're literally gonna free the world from, from these people. I mean, global jury is obviously- Obviously a problem, but if we stop Israel, it's going to, weaken it a little bit. So that's, I want to free the world from, from, from this completely, but I think it begins with Palestine.↗

4:12:06Speaker 18So no more jewelry? No. Yes, I hate, I hate diamonds. No more,↗

4:12:11@joann_marieno more gold and no, no more silver.↗

4:12:14Ian MalcolmJoJoanne, you shine bright like a diamond.↗

4:12:16Speaker 18Oh.↗

4:12:21@joann_marieHe's joking. I like Chinese things, but I, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't,↗

4:12:24@ceo_superdragonyeah, I don't like the, the Jewish- That was too easy, Ian. You jumped in there chivalric as you are.↗

4:12:29Speaker 19That's too funny, Jerry. But Joanne, honestly, like-↗

4:12:32@joann_marieHe's joking, of course. You've been,↗

4:12:34Speaker 19you've been going crazy. You've been like hosting so many spaces. God bless you. I'll always pray for you guys. You know, I pray, yes, I do pray five times a day, but I'm I gotta go pray in maybe about four hours, so I'll pray for you guys. I really do appreciate you guys, man. Like from the bottom of my heart as a Palestinian who has family who died in Gaza, who is from Nazareth, the same place as Jesus, as a Palestinian who lives in America, whose tax dollars went to funding the murder of his own family. Like I'm in a big dilemma, but when I see you guys, it makes me feel like I'm part of a bigger fight. And it's not just like us being genocided, and that's, that's the biggest thing for us is like, you restore our human dignity back. And so I appreciate you guys for that, and, yeah, thank you to all my followers, everyone who's been supporting me, like, it's been a crazy journey on XPA, we're just getting started, baby, we're just getting started.↗

4:13:33@joann_marieGod bless you, brother. And, and thank you so much for everything you're doing. Alright, Yankee, welcome, go for it.↗

4:13:42@ceo_superdragonHey guys, it's been kind of a, a big space, a lot of big people come up here and talk about some very important things, and one of them has been something I've been talking about for a long time, so I'd like to give that spiel, one more time, that the, the pillars of international jewelry and the powers that be in the United States Completely and entirely rely on our participation with them, from the companies that they own to the political systems that they have subverted. Everything that they do is a method to extrapolate wealth in order to achieve their aims.↗

4:14:22@ceo_superdragonSo it's an easy system to counter, and that's why I think our whole system is a fantastic way. Not only is it a preservation of culture, or a preservation of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but it is also a segregation from that which means to crush us. That weakens their stranglehold in many ways. By not financially participating or purchasing or essentially boycotting these institutions that are extrapolating your wealth to use against you, you then create a revolution of wealth within your own neighborhoods, within your own communities, and every time that wealth revolves In your own community with people that you know, you create equity, you create stability, you create an opportunity for your local communities to grow in such a way that they become combative and competitive within themselves against these very institutions that mean to↗

4:15:25@ceo_superdragonimpoverish you. So when I say gardening is revolution, it's because it is. When, when you're out there producing your own food or creating a means of production for yourself and your family, you are stripping them of the assets you otherwise would spend on them. When you're raising animals and you are producing your own meat↗

4:15:50@ceo_superdragonYou are becoming healthier, you are becoming fit, you aren't participating in the big pharmaceutical companies which again are owned by these vile Jews which poison you and keep you in a cycle of low health, low testosterone, hormone imbalances that prevent you from having kids. These are things that if you haven't looked into, I beg that you do. But one of the simple things that anybody can do, if you're, if you're the type of person that says, "I don't know what I can do as an..." Individual, then I implore you simply just don't participate with their systems. Come to understand the basics of how they work↗

4:16:31@ceo_superdragonand don't cooperate with it. Do something different. Become self-sufficient. Build sovereignty systems. You are an American. You don't need the government, you don't need big pharma, you don't need big tech, you don't need any of these companies. Any of the products that they offer, God gave you two good hands and two good feet for a reason. Use them, and that will be a revolution in itself, because if they can't extrapolate the money from you, they can't use it against you. That's it.↗

4:17:06Speaker 19Can you, what, what do you think about boycotting too? Like choosing what brands you consume and making sure that you avoid the brands? Yes. Essentially, all of those↗

4:17:15@ceo_superdragonthings are extremely important, but I, I also think that they have to be replaced with something. So what I'm offering isn't just a, "This is how we deal with it, just boycott these things." I'm offering them a system to replace it with.↗

4:17:29Speaker 19Right. Like a surgery instead of a band-aid, bro. That's beautiful, bro. Like, I've never thought of agriculture as like an important- Thing I always thought it was like a low class thing, but now that, you know, the times are calling for it, I think having running water is a fucking luxury. Like if you, if you have a plot of land with running water,↗

4:17:48Speaker 19that's like an infinite supply of water essentially, and we're gonna come upon a time where water is gonna be a very valuable resource. It's not just gonna be food, bro. It's not just gonna be vegetables and potatoes. It's literally gonna be water. So hopefully we can figure out a solution to that as well, 'cause We can't just drink water out of the fucking sea, right?↗

4:18:10Ian MalcolmNo, well, well stated, and, Yankee, I, I think you provide some of the, the best, simplifications, right? And it's not to suggest that what you just said is simple, but rather you're distilling a very complex solution into some very tangible, immediate actions that people can take, and, and that's unbelievably valuable. I, I know that, Monsieur Truth Teller, just opened his space. And, and so with that being said, I wanna wind this one down, but as we do, I, I wanna give an immense amount of credit to all of those that came into this very productive, very positive conversation that is action-oriented and it was led by our special guest, Eric Orwell, who is taking immense amounts of direct action to oppose the system by building up a literal and figurative community that people can- Can not only support, but they can also prospectively use, and emulate, right? As a, as, as essentially a blueprint. now that blueprint is one that you have the ability to become a part of. I know that you walked through, some of that, paperwork or the process, what that looks like. I know that it's available on his page. and look, everybody should always do all their research, whether it's on a medical space or in this case, one that's on a logistic framework, right? And always, let's say, be critical, use your evaluation of everything. I think that Eric's absolutely impeccable. I think he's a righteous, noble, moral guy. I think he's a leader. and so I, I certainly support that advocacy and that cause, but always, of course, I, I recommend, you know, extra critical thought on everything in your interpretation of those items. but you're welcome to visit his page, welcome to, to look at all the things that they're doing, to support however you feel you might be interested in and or Have the ability to do so. Either way, whether it's through what Eric is doing or whether it's by taking those direct, immediate, tangible steps that Yankee was just advocating for, everybody should do precisely that. Do your part. Curtis Stone, who was in here earlier up in Canada, he made the comment, he said that everybody needs to get their s h i t together, needs to handle it themselves, right? There's lots of ways that we can handle this problem. I'm, I'm- I know that myself, David, so many others, right? Uncle Haas, who was in here, Junior, right? They're doing it via this application, trying to spread truths about this subject, trying to help others see the uncomfortable truths that we've obviously uncovered and recognized, right? So we're doing that digital evangelizing, right? But do it in your local community. If you don't feel comfortable coming up onto a space, like, tweet, reshare, engage, do whatever it is that you can, you don't have to do it with my content, but do it with the content You think will help to move the boulder up the hill, right? And we are eventually, like Junior was saying, I think we are unstoppable, and that's the thing that's incredibly exciting. For a long time, I thought,↗

4:21:19Speaker 19"Yep, can I say, sorry to cut you off, brother, you were flowing, but I just wanna show the audience like how powerful you guys are, specifically the white Christian people that are coming on Exodus speaking. You've made me Get closer to Jesus. You've made me go to church multiple times since I've joined X. I've gone to church multiple times. Multiple times I've gotten closer with my Christian neighbors, had more conversations about Jesus, have bought in multiple copies of the Bible, have studied more, have debated more Christians, I've gotten more involved with Christianity as a freaking, you know, immigrant that's born in America or whatever. I was born in America, but you consider an immigrant and Arab, right? Muslim here, but through your words, through your wisdom, through your fight, I've gotten closer to Jesus, I've gotten closer to Christianity, I've gotten closer to my Christian friends and neighbors. I've, I've seen you guys as who you really are and why, you know, you guys are like a force to be reckoned with. And honestly, dude, if, if that's not motivation for a true Christian, I don't know what is, because you guys have- Made the image of Christianity powerful in a time where it's been attacked, especially in America. You know, the, the people, the, the Jews are trying to weaken the image of Christianity, but you guys are restoring it by fighting this fight. Just letting you know that. didn't wanna cut you off or, or mess up your flow. No, never.↗

4:22:48Ian MalcolmThat and, and look, certainly extremely appreciated. And, and, you know, similarly, the calls that you've been making, and that you just made, in this space earlier, right? these are, our words have way more power than we give them credit. Right? There's a lot of people that have analysis paralysis. They look at a big problem and they just can't figure out how to even put a first foot forward. But everybody that's out there, whether it's by tweeting, by sharing, by- Taking something that's an original piece of your work, whether it's like Rabbi [guest] and it's music, whether it's a tweet that you, you know, originated with, with, with your, all your brilliance, right? Whether it's a joke like Leonardo Joney, right? Figure out what you can do that can be your intellectual arrow that you can just put into your quiver and then every day you can just try to take out and try to make a little bit of a difference in this intellectual and spiritual battle, right? So do your little part, and if we all do it together This, this network that right now feels kind of nebulous, it's not nearly as, as tangible as the one that Eric and his team is building at Return to the Land, right? But, but this little intellectual circle that grows every single day, our voices get a little bit sharper, they get a little bit louder, and a couple more people hear it and they lean in, and the things that we're sharing, even if they don't immediately recognize what it is that we're discussing or why this is significant, right? Just like in the movie Inception with the cap- Right? We're planting those little seeds, and it might not be tomorrow, but maybe it's next week, maybe it's next month, maybe it's a year from now. Stu Peter's dad looks at him and says, "You know what? You were right." And all that takes one person, because that one person's probably gonna plant those seeds with another three or five or a million people, who knows? Right? I started this account just a, a guy with a phone that was thinking, "Oh, I got some weird ideas. Maybe, maybe I'll see if anybody finds them interesting." Right? I've always just done this organically 'cause I wanna make the world better, and we all do in our own little ways. We wanna try to fix problems, fix puzzles, solve them. And the fact that we get to do it in this fashion, digitally, with voices and with hearts and souls from all across the planet. We had Junior in here, we had Uncle Hoss in here, we had David in here, we had, Joanne in here. Right? Individuals literally from all parts of different continents, different cultures, eating totally different cuisines, and then getting onto this conversation and finding commonality. Right? That is how we win, is by building those bridges, not by stabbing at one another, but by lifting one another up in whatever way that we can, helping them find their voice, find their footing, and find their way to make a difference and an impact. So let's continue doing that together. Let's support those voices that we find admirable. Like Eric and the Return of the Land project, absolutely incredible. The fact that a Jewish woman married to a black guy decided to sue them because she doesn't like the idea of a couple white guys deciding to develop a property together in honor of their civilization, their heritage, their culture, doesn't that just embody the very problem that they're trying to get away from? Right, so continue just highlighting these things because the more we expose the absurdity of the system, the more violently and vitriolically they have to respond to it. And the more they flail, the more they decide, "No, you can't have a space of your own. No, you can't, can't discuss these issues." The more absurd it is to those that don't currently see the patterns that we've already noticed. Right? So we continue to advance our cause every single day. As we do, the sun rises a little bit more, more truths are exposed, and as they are, this system has to react again with a little bit more absurdity. So we're gonna continue winning. The game is over. We have won. That's the wildest piece. We are opposed to the, the most absurd of systems. This is, is straight out of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, whatever is your mythology of choice. They've got the Death Star, they've got the Ring of Power, right? They've got all of the everything, they've got all the weapons, all the media, all the tech. We've got the truth. It is unstoppable. It is the force, right? We can all be Luke Skywalker. We've got that one thing that they don't have. So with all their little stormtroopers, their laser guns, and their lies, they're gonna lose. And how cool is that? We get to be on the side that is ultimately gonna win. And like David said earlier, the revolutionaries that fought against the British, they were heroes. They detached themselves from an empire. We are now ripping a parasite off of ours. We're going to rebuild, like Joanne was saying, not just the United States, not just the Western world, we are going to fix the entire planet, because this plague has its hands in everything. And as we detach It from the very source that powers it, which is our blood, our sweat, the inflation of our currencies, as we say no more. They're going to shrivel away into nothingness. They will run off into the darkness. They will hide in their coffins. I don't say kinetically due to violence, I'm making a, a reference to the vampires, right? They will have to go back into the shadows. Because without our lifeblood, they can't exist, they can't thrive, they can't succeed. So just continue pointing to the insanity as Jared Kushner announces he's gonna go to Albania and conquer a new island and turn it into casinos and brothels, maybe another luxury hotel for a bunch of rich Jews that will probably invite the likes of the Maxwells or the Abstins or whomever else, right? This is the absurd future if we don't stop it, but we are. We're gonna Gonna win. And so as we do, we will continue having more and more of these conversations. We got a whole bunch scheduled. I will try as best I can to bring you interesting guests that are discussing these challenges, different ways that they're addressing them. We've got conversations coming up, they're gonna be with Shadows of Ezra on the X algorithm. We've got a couple different technology folks that will unpack that. We've got a conversation tomorrow with Michael Ferris, who ran for Senate in Kentucky, right? We'll continue talking to these individuals that are making differences in the world We'll try and highlight their abilities, their capabilities, their successes, and their struggles. And as we do, I look forward to encouraging and to welcoming all of you into that effort. We will continue trying to build, build bridges, and build a better tomorrow. And so lots of love to everybody that's out there, Yankee. Thank you so much for those inspirational words. Mr. David Nici, you are an absolute poet, you are a hero, you're the smartest man in my assertion on this application. And I say that because your ability to connect, not Not just the meaningful past and the present, but to connect us with something more, a higher power, something to aspire to. Every time you, you speak, I, I get goosebumps, and you're for that reason one of my absolute favorite people in this entire application. And with that being said, there's another hero of this movement, which is Mr. Truthteller. His space is live right now. I recommend everybody go over there. I certainly will be joining in. I look forward to continuing these conversations with all of you. And as always, good morning, good evening, good afternoon Are in the world, certainly God bless for everything that you are. God speed on our journey ahead. I apologize to anybody that didn't get a chance to, to share some of their thoughts before we wrap this up, but certainly join the next one. Send me a direct message if you wanna ever be part of a, a space as a featured panelist. Certainly send me a note. I'm open anything and everything. If it's important to you, and it's important to the world, it'll be important to me, and we will share it with everybody. So lots of love to everybody out there↗