Held here entire — 763 passages across 35 chapters, set down from the first word to the last. The colour shifts with the film’s own mood as each chapter plays.
- 0:00quiet, reflectiveIndiana Jones and the SpearThe host kicks off the Space connecting Indiana Jones films to the real-life Nazi quest for the Spear of Destiny.
- 12:56bleak, drainedDr. Heather Lynn Bio and Tech IssuesThe host reads Dr. Lynn's extensive biography while troubleshooting her microphone issues.
- 23:12measured, soberHollywood MacGuffins and the SpearDr. Lynn explains how Hollywood uses real historical artifacts as MacGuffins to hint at deeper truths.
- 25:41heated, combativeLuciferian Rods of InitiationDr. Lynn connects Hollywood's alien rods to the Lucis Trust and occult initiation practices.
- 36:21grave, forebodingNazi Archaeology and PedigreeDr. Lynn explains how Nazi archaeology was used to give the Third Reich an ancient pedigree.
- 46:40disillusionedRelic Authenticity and MetaphysicsThe discussion shifts to the fluid definitions of relics and their metaphysical power versus historical accuracy.
- 50:58hard, unyieldingNazis and the Ark of the CovenantIan asks if the Nazis believed they could conquer the world using supernatural artifacts like the Ark.
- 1:00:52grim, scorchedNazi Search for Atlantis and Aryan OriginsDr. Lynn lists the various artifacts and locations the Nazis searched for, including Atlantis and Tibet.
- 1:04:03weathered, resignedThe Ark of the CovenantThe conversation shifts to the search for the Ark of the Covenant.
- 1:07:33guarded, evenFreeports and Hidden ArtThe guest explains how wealthy collectors use Freeports to hide artifacts.
- 1:14:15detached, weighingAntiquities Trafficking in FreeportsA Roman sarcophagus found in the Geneva Freeport illustrates illicit trafficking.
- 1:24:38dimmed, waryTablet of Destinies MythologyThe ancient Mesopotamian Tablet of Destinies is explored as a sacred object of divine authority and world order.
- 1:30:08charged, alertSumerian Math and Free EnergyThe speaker proposes the Tablet of Destinies contains a mathematical code capable of unlocking the secret of free energy.
- 1:35:04cool, analyticalCERN and Siloed ScienceThe conversation shifts to whether CERN's compartmentalized research is secretly searching for fundamental mathematical truths.
- 1:46:58sombre, searchingAntarctic Nazi Base 211The discussion turns to Admiral Byrd, Antarctica, and the possibility of an underground National Socialist fortress.
- 1:55:26tentative, hopefulArt as Magic and Hive MindThe guest explains how art functions as literal magic, projecting the creator's will across time, while the hive mind can either foster or stifle that creative energy.
- 2:06:23raw, woundedAI Decoding Ancient ArtifactsThe discussion turns to how artificial intelligence offers new ways to scan and decipher ancient artifacts, accelerating the search for lost relics.
- 2:09:02broodingCultural Genocide and DestinyThe host explains how destroying artifacts is a deliberate attempt to erase a people's history and control their future.
- 2:23:09smouldering, restlessBaphomet and Eliphas LevyThe speaker traces the sinister Baphomet image back to a Catholic illustrator's meditative icon of perfect balance.
- 2:28:43unsettlingBaphomet, Pazuzu, and Mesopotamian DemonsThe conversation shifts to the origins of Baphomet and its striking visual similarities to the ancient Mesopotamian demon Pazuzu.
- 2:40:39conflicted, dividedNoahide Laws and AmalekThe panelists clash over the application of Noahide laws, capital punishment, and the modern identification of Amalek.
- 2:52:51dry, matter-of-factEric Weinstein and Epstein ConnectionsThe host unpacks Dr. Eric Weinstein's strange ties to Jeffrey Epstein and geometric unity.
- 2:54:20melancholy, tenderMichel Foucault and Modern OccultismThe host critiques Michel Foucault's philosophy and its link to modern occult practices.
- 2:57:33eerie, electricFoucault's Destructive Social PraxisThe speaker criticizes how Foucault's ideas moved from academic thought experiments to destructive real-world social experiments.
- 3:12:09calm, distantGiza Discoveries and the Emerald TabletsRadar scans reveal hidden pillars and a second sphinx at Giza, prompting talk of the Emerald Tablets.
- 3:17:40hard-wonIsaac Newton's Alchemical WorksDr. Lynn discusses Isaac Newton's hidden life as an alchemist and his esoteric studies.
- 3:28:17urgent, incendiaryThe Operant Function of Blood RitualsA caller asks about the literal feeding of blood to subterranean entities across ancient cultures.
- 3:31:05murky, uneasyBlood as Life and DeathThe guest explains the symbolic and literal importance of blood across cultures.
- 3:34:17worn, nostalgicSubterranean Entities and BloodThe discussion turns to myths of subterranean entities consuming blood offerings.
- 3:43:24warm, expansiveNazi Agartha and Hollow Earth ExpeditionsThe host discusses whether the Nazis actually found the subterranean realm of Agartha.
- 3:54:11quiet, reflectiveProject Orion and Nazi DocumentsA caller shares KGB documents from Project Orion detailing Nazi expeditions and ancient civilizations.
- 3:58:56heated, combativeDemon Skulls and Russian DiscoveriesThe host recounts the story of horned demon skulls found with Nazi materials in Russia.
- 4:02:49raw, woundedDemon Skulls and the Nazi OccultThe speaker details the bizarre discovery of supposed demon skulls found alongside Nazi materials in Russia.
- 4:05:54weathered, resignedJoey Good's Tiny Hats SongAfter the main discussion concludes, a satirical song by Joey Good is played for the audience.
- 4:14:30measured, soberClosing Thanks and Community ReflectionsThe host thanks the co-hosts and guest before shifting to closing remarks.
The Transcript
A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.
Ian MalcolmJoann. I have a sneaky suspicion that you are going to be able to name that tune, which I thought might be a little bit fitting as we kick off this adventure, if you will, with The Good Doctor. Very excited for this one, and I apologize to anybody and everybody for the little delay here. Try to always be prompt. And on this one, just a little bit behind schedule, but that's a good thing.
Ian MalcolmBecause every now and then it requires JoAnn, I guess, a little bit of a little audible, a little creativity. And so I just want to thank everybody for certainly being here. But with that, JoAnn, are you able to name that tune?
@joann_marieI mean, I don't know what the name of the song is, but I know it's from Indiana Jones.
Ian MalcolmIt is the one and only with the fedora and the whip and all those other things. And I... I thought, you know, this will be fun. I like this idea again of the adventure that lay ahead. And JoAnn, so here's the thing, right? There's lots of themes attached to different adventures. Why is this character perhaps fitting and relevant for what we're going to talk about here?
@joann_marieBecause I don't remember this, but you just said this a couple of days ago, because in the beginning of Indiana Jones, they are looking for the spirit of destiny. Is that It is because of that.
Ian MalcolmWell, you're very, very, very close. So actually, that film is called Constantine. That is with Keanu Reeves. Oh, it was Constantine. Which is, you know, at some point, maybe I'll ask Rabbi [guest] if he would like to do a space on that film. It's a very strange one. But Keanu, a.k.a. John Wick, a.k.a. Neo... A.K.A. I don't remember.
Ian MalcolmI think he was Bill or maybe he was Ted. But he was certainly in in speed as well. Right. But Keanu Reeves. So he plays a essentially what you almost think of him. He's like a demon hunter is maybe the right simplification. But that is about the spirit destiny. But.
@joann_marieBut it was the wrong answer. I haven't watched Indiana Jones in so long yet.
Ian MalcolmNo, no, no. It's not the wrong, you're on the right track. And I say it because in Indiana Jones, in two of the three of the original trilogy, because everything that followed is meaningless. But in the original trilogy, the first film, Raiders of the Lost Ark, of course, they're looking for the Ark of the Covenant. and in the third film, The Last Crusade, they are looking for the Holy Grail.
Ian MalcolmAnd so who are the they? In both the first and the third film, it is none other than the National Socialists. They've even got a cameo of a fictional portrayal of Adolf Hitler in the third film. And you know what's curious actually, JoAnn, now that I think about this, in the third film where they have Hitler, It's because Indiana has to go back to Berlin, I believe, to retrieve the diary of his father.
Ian MalcolmAnd what do they happen to show of all things but the famed book burning that for the audiences, they were aghast. Oh, no. And then we realized what actually was being burned in those book burnings. You're like, oh, all right. Well, maybe they maybe they're on to something. But but yes, so so Dr. Jones or Indiana. If anybody remembers his actual name, put it into the purple pill because Indiana might not be it.
Ian MalcolmBut so JoAnn, as soon as the doctor gets here, we will unpack this adventure. It will be another crusade for us to understand some of the realities of this world. And we will be on a quest to understand not only this topic and this piece of history, this relic, but also... Some of the things that the National Socialists might have been looking to do with it, which is going to be very, very, very curious.
Ian MalcolmI'm very excited for it and excited again for the doctor to get in here. But while we await her arrival, any kind of thoughts?
@joann_marieShe's here and I sent her a mic, but I don't know if she's able to come up or maybe she's glitching. I don't know.
Ian MalcolmOh, there she is. Yep. I see her friendly avatar down there. While we are awaiting her to hop up. If everybody wouldn't mind, her handle is up in the subject of the space. Please give her a follow, give her a like, all those good things. We did a prior space with Dr. Heather and we did it on the Anunnaki, one of the very, very, very popular spaces.
Ian MalcolmI don't want to call it controversial, but it was a little outside of the normal subject material that we focus on, right? Because again, this and so on. So Dr. Heather walked through the Anunnaki and this idea of a civilization that in the course of just a couple generations underwent what should have or could have been centuries worth of technological advancements or so is my kind of recollection and the way I would present this idea.
Ian MalcolmAnd so the concept there becomes, well, how would that have happened, right? How would a group of people be able to have such a tremendous leap? It would be no different than if you took your Starlink and your iPhone 95 Deluxe Pro Duo, whatever they call the new thing, and you went out to a tribe in Central America that had never even encountered electricity.
Ian Malcolmand that's kind of the degree of advancement that this group of people underwent and so we talked about not only what took place but also who might those people have been we talked all about all kinds of things the idea of aliens and stargates and all of these topics we will make sure to put that into the purple pill so that anybody who did not listen to that space can easily go and retrieve it really quickly you can also go and find not only that space but every other space
Ian Malcolmon Apple Podcasts, Rumble, Spotify, and the one and only ianmalcolm84.com, all brought to you courtesy, allegedly, Dank and his unbelievable work with AI that is also powering not only the Malcolm Spaces handle, I will put one of those up into the nest. If you haven't given that a follow, please do. That account that he set up, it's almost at the 1,000 mark.
Ian MalcolmI feel like that'll be a big achievement, right? Because it's a relatively new project that he worked on. But he's also got, Thank you so much.
Ian Malcolmand it would be able to reference not only the source material that it can find that's approved by the machine, but also some of those things that Dr. Heather was able to share. So just want to give him a massive amount of love and shout out as I do in every space. He's an absolute hero for our cause and I can't thank him enough for all the work that he's been doing.
Ian MalcolmThat being said, I'm also very excited. I see that we got Dr. Heather up here. And so I want everybody, just like we did at the offset of the space, put on your fedoras, grab your whip. and Saddle Up because this one will be quite the adventure. And I gotta say, oftentimes I have a sense I'm walking into the room and I know where things might go.
Ian MalcolmI have no idea. I don't know if Dr. Heather is gonna wanna go all the way back perhaps to the day of Christ and his death and tell us about this spear and how it plays into the mythology and the history and the religiosity of Jesus Christ. Maybe we'll start all the way in the present. Where is that relic if we even know?
Ian MalcolmBut we will certainly also be doing in the interim, in that little midpoint somewhere, we'll be talking about the National Socialists, why they might have been looking for it, who was looking for it, what they might have been intending to do with it, and what it could potentially even do. And so without further ado, I do as the last little thing, I want to go to Miss Joanne, see if I've left anything off of the docket, and then we'll turn things over to Dr. Heather Lynn, who hopefully can not only give us
Ian MalcolmA little bit of an introduction on herself. But if there's anything I left out of the recap around the Anunnaki, certainly feel free while we put that into the purple pill as well. But JoAnn, anything that I might have been mistaken or left out there?
@joann_marieNo, excellent intro, Ian, and thank you so much for hosting. And Dr. Heather, I'm your biggest fan, so thank you so, so, so much for being here. And yeah, I love, she's woo, but she's not like... Weird Woo, she's like just the perfect amount of Woo, so I love it. Do we thank JoAnn? It's the perfect amount of woo. One and a half woos.
Speaker 1Not woo, woo, woo.
@joann_marieNo, she's awesome, guys. So no, I'm really, really looking forward to this. And guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps so, so much with the algorithm and follow Ian and Dr. Heather and Mandy and Hubbard and everyone here. So no, really, really happy. And I apologize that we started a little bit later, but thank you so much
@joann_mariefor being here, Dr. Heather. How are you? Oh no, she's glitching. Can you hear her?
Ian MalcolmI cannot.
@joann_marieNo, we had the same problem with the microphone last time. Okay, should I recycle her?
Ian MalcolmWhy don't we try that real quick and we'll just move her down, see if we can invite her back up. Hopefully it's just a little glitch with the app. If not, maybe we could have... I think last time she tried to join from her studio, uh, which is worth noting. Um, so for everybody not familiar, I mean, Dr. Heather gets, she gets around and I don't mean in the, uh, let's say the more, more common sense as the, uh, only fans, uh, of the people today, right?
Ian MalcolmNo, she gets around the scene of the intellectuals. Uh, and I say that because when it comes to this subject matter, uh, and you can even go to grok cause you're not going to believe what I'm about to suggest. But when it comes in particular to things like the Anunnaki and some of this hidden history, there are essentially two trains of thought and two thought leaders.
Ian MalcolmAnd even Grok will give you that Dr. Heather Lynn is one of the two. So very, very humbled to have her with us. She does have, I know, have a professional set up there with the microphone. So hopefully X is going to cooperate with that. But Dr. Heather, is that working for you?
@joann_marieOh, no, it's still not working.
@joann_marieThe one you did last time, Dr. Heather. And yeah, she's invited to so many amazing programs. She went to Danny Jones. She was in a debate that I forgot what it's called, but it's really cool. She's been with Owen. I forgot his name. I'm so bad with names. She's been with so many amazing people.
Ian MalcolmIs that Owen Troyer?
@joann_marieNo. No. Oh, my God. This guy thinks that pandas were... Okay, hold on. Owen Benjamin. Owen Benjamin, yes. With Owen Benjamin and stuff, yes. She's been in so many stuff. She was also in a radio station that apparently everyone in America knows. Guys, help me. I don't know.
@hubbard595628Yeah, I don't know about her. I know about Owen Benjamin.
@joann_marieThe really famous radio station that they talk about the woo.
Ian MalcolmIt's something really famous. Hold on, let me look for it. I was going to say WKRP, you know, I don't know. I don't listen to the radio much anymore.
@joann_marieNo, it's, it's, they, oh my God. I'll just, I'll just look at her, at her stuff. But yeah, no, she's awesome.
Ian MalcolmWell, and Fortsworth, so she has her, and I'll read this off while we get the microphone situated. So Dr. Heather Lynn, historian, cognitive archaeologist, and author of many books, including The Anunnaki Connection, Evil Archaeology, Baphomet Revealed, and the Anarchy Revelation. Most associated with television programs, podcast appearances, often dealing with history, ancient mysteries, the occult, and other related subjects.
Ian MalcolmHosts her own recurring podcast on the, has been a recurring guest across, there you go, the History Channel and many independent shows. So you might see her on the telescreen. also runs her own podcast, The Midnight Academy, connected with the quote-unquote H-Files, talking about hidden history, esoteric symbolism, ancient technology, and other related subjects.
Ian MalcolmHas been on, here you go, folks, has been on multiple episodes of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. I'm sure everybody remembers the It's Aliens guy. I like when people just replace aliens with the you-know-whos. But it's been on Coast to Coast AM, Fade to Black.
@joann_marieThat's the one that I wanted to say, Ian, that I forgot. The Coast to Coast apparently is super famous and everybody has heard of it.
Ian MalcolmAha, so Coast to Coast has been on Fade to Black with Jimmy Church. Has also been on, just to recite, there's about 100 of them, but it's been on the Danny Jones podcast. Pinfoil Hat with Sam Tripoli, who people might be familiar. The Higher Side Chats with Greg Carlwood, Earth Ancients, Derp with Curp. There's an interesting one with Kurt Merzker.
Ian MalcolmAnd many others, Prometheus Lens, Polarity, Darkness Radio, on and on and on. Dr. Lynn, I feel that you must have been on 500 different programs, as well as on the History Channel multiple times. hopefully the microphone and tech speaking of ancient technologies maybe trying to blend that with the modern ones and the system might not be liking it but hopefully the microphone's working for you now no it's it's still not working still nothing well all right the uh
Ian MalcolmPerhaps the Anunnaki are messing around with the wires here on X. So what I can suggest, maybe Dr. Lynn, if you have a mobile device, a different computer, any of those other things might not be a bad way to go about this. Otherwise, just ensure the settings, whether it's on the app, that they're permitted, or if it's on a computer, you might have to give it permissions for the application that you might be using.
Ian MalcolmJust two different... Thoughts, your trains of thoughts. We'll try this a couple more times. Hopefully we get this situated here. And while we wait, to all of our esteemed panelists up here, we've got Hubbard, I ain't afraid of no goats, the one and only Miss Mandy, and also the real El Jefe who threw me for a loop there because I didn't recognize the teddy bear.
Ian MalcolmIf anybody has any thoughts, if they're familiar with the good doctor, certainly feel free to jump in while we just try to get through some of these technical glitches.
@inannabelieveAre you back? I'm back on the phone. We can hear you now. Welcome. Hopefully it comes in okay because I'm on my iPhone so you won't get the luxury of the good sure mic and whatnot. But it just wasn't cooperating tonight either on the app nor on the desktop. So I guess the Anunnaki did not want me to speak this evening.
@inannabelieveBut we got them, right? We showed them. I'm on a good old-fashioned iPhone. You sound amazing.
@joann_marieSo thank you so much for being here, Dr. Heather. How are you? I'm well. How are you? I'm good. What have you been up to? I saw that you had a couple of conferences and also the debate. You went to a couple of podcasts. Would you want to talk about some of the places you're going next?
@inannabelieveYeah, actually, I have a really exciting thing coming up here in just a few weeks or so. It is an experience actually in Austin, Texas. It's an Austin Quest. and it's a three-day event. It's going to be by the Austin City Limits, the Moody Theater. Really excited for this one. It's Friday, October 16th, Saturday, October 17th, and Sunday, October 18th.
@inannabelieveAnd right now for a three-day general admission to Austin Quest, you get a private 90-minute meet and greet, coffee with me, signed copy of my book, photos, all of this. We're just gonna hang out.
@inannabelieveMystery Boys are going to be there. We're going to be doing an evening panel on Friday, Duncan Trussell and Kurt Metzger. And there's even going to be a DJ and Halloween costume ball and all sorts of fun stuff. So definitely looking forward to that. That's the next thing I'm going to. So yeah, love to come out there and meet everybody.
@inannabelieveI love to talk to everybody. So come see me.
Ian MalcolmLet's go. And what a perfect, Dr. Heather, what a perfect way to frame this for everybody that, again, might not be familiar. I don't mean to oversell or overhype, but I really do feel excited to get to have this secondary conversation with you. And I say that because the last one that we did on the Anunnaki is so far outside of my scope.
Ian MalcolmAnd yet it's completely relevant because this whole concept that we live in a world where Thanks for having me.
Ian MalcolmWe start to recognize that so much of today's understanding is so askew that how do we even know the timelines that we've been presented are remotely realistic in terms of our dating back to not only Christ, but the thousands of years that preceded it. And when you talk to the Anunnaki and Stargates and all these other things, it opens up, let's say, lots of different portals.
@inannabelieveYeah, it does actually. And I hate to be a destabilizing force, but I think we all can kind of, I guess, grapple with the idea that maybe we just don't have the timeline correct. Maybe, you know, we know now that there are things that should be questioned. So, I mean, there are different theories out there about how off the timeline is.
@inannabelieveBut I think that at the end of the day, many people now have come to the realization that We have been lied to about our past. And I think it's really important that we at least address that and start, you know, no pun intended, but digging into the true history of humanity and what it is that we've been lied to and for like, what reasons?
@inannabelieveWhy are we lied to? Obviously, one thing would be just simple narrative control, but why? So I really want to know why we know the what. We're starting to know how. But I think that so many people right now are opening up to this possibility that history is not what we were told it was. So kind of exciting times, but also understandably destabilizing.
@inannabelieveAnd I think it's important to point that out and be compassionate towards people because some people are maybe not coping with that very well, actually.
Ian Malcolmand so we need to really stick together be there with them maybe hold hands kumbaya a little bit and say you know what you're not alone we're all going through this together and uh let's share in this timeline we're in that was so well stated and uh as samuel l jackson said in jurassic park uh everybody hold on to your butts because that's what we're going to be doing here and this idea of destabilizing right uh i'm very curious because this one
Ian MalcolmObject. Again, I was mentioning the other day, I'm sure you noticed this and I'm curious for your thoughts on it, but the Spear of Destiny even appearing in film such as Constantine starring Keanu Reeves and this idea, the most interesting piece to it is we had planned out this space a couple months ago and then sure enough, not only when I was looking into kind of the subject matter and maybe literary references, not only do they mention the Spear of Destiny in the film, they have it wrapped
Ian Malcolmwith the flag of the National Socialists. And I was like, this is what we're going to talk about. So I just thought what a perfect way to illustrate that this is, you know, a piece that not only has religious symbolism, but obviously that has some kind of historical aspects within World War II, perhaps. And that even, and Dr. Lynn, I'm curious for your thoughts on this, because it does feel like occasionally, and sometimes it's just for, let's say theatrics, but other times it feels like Hollywood takes
Ian MalcolmVery real items and jams them in as little Easter eggs, sometimes very obscurely, into some of the most prominent blockbuster films. And I'm kind of curious maybe for your thought before we kind of unpack the past and the present of this, but as it appears in fiction, are there other elements of it? And do you think that this is just theatrics or is Hollywood maybe giving away more than they might intend to?
@inannabelieveWell, a lot of times in fiction like this, there will be MacGuffins, as they are sometimes referred to. And they're usually used to kind of, I don't know, just be a part of a story. They don't usually have a lot of importance in and of themselves. But in some cases, and in a lot of cases that are linked to Steven Spielberg in particular, they kind of take that MacGuffin idea and they use it as a maybe Trojan horse in some ways, I would suggest, that...
@inannabelieveThere is something a little bit more. So for those with eyes to see, they may see the depths of that. They may see inside that Trojan horse. But other people could look at it as a simple little kind of fun thing and part of a film. And so you see that again in the Indiana Jones, of course, but you also see that in the newer works of Spielberg when you have the film that he came out with about Disclosure, Disclosure Day.
@inannabelieveWell, experiencers, many of I've spoken with personally, have recounted these exact rods being part of their experience. And these were not good experiences, to say the least. So you have those sort of firsthand accounts of these objects that are very similar to the rods. Oh, no.
@joann_marieI'm so sorry. The space is going to crash. Please reset it.
Ian MalcolmI think we should be good, right?
@joann_marieI don't know if you reset it.
Speaker 1I think so.
@joann_marieOkay, if it does crash, vote your notifications on and please come back.
@inannabelieveThis is clearly one they don't want us talking about, huh?
@joann_marieIt's so glitchy. I'm so sorry I interrupted.
@inannabelieveOh, it's fine. It's fine. Are you able to hear me now? Yeah, you're perfect. Perfect. Awesome. So these rods in the film, it would make sense that they would have mined experiencers experiences for something about Disclosure Day. But there's another level of these rods. These rods were also very similar to what are called the rods of initiation.
@inannabelieveAnd that's a specific object in a specific body of published teachings, occult teaching, Western esoteric teachings, one of which is in The Lucis Trust. This was printed by Alice and Foster Bailey in the 1920s. I did a substack on that. Their publishing arm was registered under the name Lucifer Publishing Company and then later into the Lucis Publishing.
@inannabelieveAnd so that organization has published a lot about these particular rods and they involve Shambhala, an etheric seat of planetary will, as they say, that's ruled by a Someone from Venus that's identified with both the ancient of days and the light bringing impulse. And it transmits what they believe is the first ray of destruction and rebuilding, a force that they think began contacting humanity directly in the modern era.
@inannabelieveto break down old forms to externalize what they call the hierarchy. And so you have this whole like strange sort of occult symbolism that involves this sort of satanic figure, the ancient of days, what they call the one initiator and the planetary logos and explicitly this character that is named Jehovah that is sometimes conflated with the Jehovah that's referred to in biblical texts.
@inannabelievebut either way we're talking about this whole almost theology that is linked to these rods and they are also linked to energy points in the body so this like electric rod treatment of the chakras and Spielberg puts these sort of rods in this film and they behave exactly like the ones that the luciferian rods of initiation are said to hold an actual real charged instrument that's applied to the body
@inannabelieveby force to initiate energetic transformation. And so when you think about that aspect, that very esoteric aspect, and you think about the exoteric aspect, say the abduction literature, you have the classic abduction script of say someone like Whitley Strieber, who is say a being from the sky is coming down and immobilizing a person and implying this instrument to their body, often along the spine.
@inannabelieveyou know the the back and other places unfortunately um and it can get a little uh strange but you you can look back through this and see this continuity between the esoteric or occult viewpoints of these specific rods of initiation used in ceremony there were actual physical rods and then you can see how they have a history going back to
@inannabelieveThunderbolts of Zeus, and wands and staffs of comparative myths, and even Masonic and Christian royal regalia. All of these different things. The Code of Hammurabi even shows this bas-relief where there is an Anunnaki-looking figure holding similar rods. So you see these rods throughout all of this, and then you hear similar accounts from abductees.
@inannabelieveAnd so things like a spear, a rod, you can go really deep on some of this analysis or you don't have to. And that's, I think, the interesting part of the filmmaking component where you have Hollywood who puts out these sort of Easter eggs maybe or whatever. And some people could look at them as a simple plot device. others with the eyes to see or the ears to hear can maybe look a little more deeply into it and see those connections and i do think it's by design at least with some filmmakers spielberg in particular hence our discussion tonight of the spear of destiny and its usual association with his great films of indiana jones
@joann_marieAnd Dr. Heather, in March 21st of 2025 was a really important date for Alice Bailey, right? Because it's the end of the Kali Yuga and the new spiritual hierarchy that you were talking about right now. So what do you think is happening with that?
@inannabelieveSo the explanation of the Kali Yuga, as in, do I think that it's sort of...
@joann_marieI mean, she talks about this, like, I think it's Avatar or Christ figure that is apparently coming back after the spiritual hierarchy happened.
@inannabelieveI don't know. I'm trying. This is something that, you know, in theosophical circles and other circles is discussed. And we are sort of entering this, you know, sometimes people call it the fourth turning. But it's a very spiritually degraded age. um unfortunately but and so it's characterized by deception and i think we all can agree on that greed uh conflict i mean we're kind of living in that and and in the buddhist tradition the weakening of dharma and so it just means that the moral and sacred order that sustains life is is decaying and so within this framework humanity would currently be living in this kali yuga
@inannabelieveand so then time is moving through these recurring cycles so even this age of decline though eventually is supposed to give way to a renewal and then so you have all of these particular ages in terms of the great teacher that's supposed to come yeah it is said that at the end of this age there will be an avatar and that avatar is of Vishnu and that's expected to appear
@inannabelieveand overcome these corrupt rulers that we're all sort of fighting against in one way or another even if just in an info war and restore the dharma so that destruction of this current corrupted order is what makes the renewal possible with the continuing cycle and so there so it seems bleak but there's also this helpful element that sometimes gets overlooked it's this like very hopeful sort of idea that
@inannabelieveBetter days are to come. And whether or not we have this great teacher appear in the way that we think maybe, we would often think a human form. It's hard to say. It's really hard to say. There's some people who suggest that it could be something that comes through artificial intelligence. So I don't know. I don't know.
@inannabelieveBut we are in that time. And it's something we should be, I think, Looking more closely at. And I think these cycles are very real. And what it means for us is, you know, a new turning. But again, there's some people that want to accelerate that. And there's some people that are doing things to sort of feel that they can control that.
@inannabelieveAnd that's problematic in a lot of ways because do we ever know the hour and the time? Right. I mean, is this something that we do have control over? These are cycles and we are within the cycles. So I don't know that the idea for me personally, I'm not sure I'm in love with the idea of hurrying up and getting through it just to see what's on the other side, because I don't know that we know exactly what's on the other side.
@inannabelieveBut I think we should let nature take its course. And I think it is actually doing such.
@joann_marieThat's beautiful, Dr. Heather. And I think people are waking up, right? In these past years, in these three last years, I've seen so many people waking up. And a lot of people who also didn't have any purpose in their life have found their purpose. And it's beautiful. Yeah, thank you.
@inannabelieveI think they are finding their purpose. I think that's part of this... Breaking Things Apart to sort of rebuild them. It gives people an opportunity to kind of break out of a shell or break out of something that's been holding them back. You know, chaos is frightening, but it's also the seat of creation and creativity.
@inannabelieveSo, you know, like the primordial waters, right? I mean, that's where life comes from. And so there's order and there's chaos and too much chaos is definitely not... Not great. I mean, it's a formless kind of void. You do need order to create form, but too much order then suppresses that creativity. And I think we see that at the macrocosm and the microcosm.
@inannabelieveI mean, people we even know on a daily level, like people who are maybe too organized and too orderly, they lack the creativity. But then you can, we all know those people are so creative and they need some of that order in their life. you have to have a little bit of both but in some some stages we may find ourselves with too much order and then it's time for that chaos to bubble up and then vice versa so uh order and chaos that's so beautiful sorry and go for it
Ian MalcolmNo, sorry, the little button there was a little glitchy. Space is all kinds of wonky on this end. People are just kind of disappearing on my screen. But no, the order and chaos, how fitting with the chaotician that is Ian Malcolm, right? So this idea, Dr. Lynn, I'm very curious. So in particular, the spear of destiny to dive into this subject, right?
Ian MalcolmThis idea of order and chaos that you're talking about. I mean, what could be more chaotic than people that are either religious having to confront the suggestion that very real people in the world are perhaps going out and trying to find an artifact of religion to utilize for some other purpose, right? And we see this with essentially all the great religions or vice versa.
Ian MalcolmWhat do we make of the non-religious who have to confront the fact that very real people throughout history like the National Socialists might have gone and looked for those religious artifacts that would of course lend credence to the the very let's say real nature of religion if that makes sense so this is single relic feels like a very interesting piece of both the order and the chaos of both yesterday and today it is it does represent that very well and you raise a really good point there about how
@inannabelieveuh some people who maybe are atheists or they're materialists exclusively or they whatever point of view they may have they may not understand a lick of this like why in the world would the nazis ever have bothered to look for any of these types of artifacts and that's a valid question but there is a valid answer as well and it depends on a couple different things but one very basic answer is that Nazi archaeology grew out of a very specific political ambition at the time and that was to give the Third Reich an ancient pedigree and that's something that really can't be overstated because it's the at the heart of a lot of different
@inannabelieveWe see that in the United States too when neoclassical architecture is adopted for state buildings. It's like, well, we need to make all of our federal buildings look like the ancient Greek temples, right? Because we want to associate ourselves with that continuity of democracy or all these ideals. And so this notion that you want to give your current
@inannabelieveThank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelieveConquest at that point could be described as more of a recovery of ancient homeland ancient ancestral homeland so it's more about trying to establish a connection to the past and so in some ways you know it's it's we can demonize that for sure we can say oh the nazis you know they did this it's it's not good whatever of course but
@inannabelieveIt's a human impulse to say, I want that continuity with my ancestral homeland or my people. I want that. I mean, we do that as an individual, right? We hold on to things from our past or maybe some antique that our grandparents had. And, you know, we like to have that ephemera or those connections to our own past and our own history.
@inannabelieveSo I think on one level, it is just a basic, human desire to be able to hold on to something tangible that connects you to you know the the blood and soil so to speak but then there's also those political motivations that are also related to the so-called blood and soil but rather than just the individual family like grandma and grandpa we're extending it out to the ethnic family but i think the impulse is still the same it's the recovery of an ancestral homeland some sort of ancestral piece of
@inannabelieveI think the Spear of Destiny, which was also called the Holy Lance, it's identified specifically for anyone who doesn't know or maybe didn't watch the Indiana Jones. It's the weapon used to pierce the side of Jesus during the crucifixion. And so the biblical starting point for this particular artifact is the Gospel of John.
@inannabelieveAnd it describes a soldier who basically pierces Jesus' side and blood and water specifically comes out. So it's not just the blood, it's blood and water. And that's a detail people will often kind of miss. But according to John too, Jesus was already dead when this happened. And so we don't know the name of the soldier.
@inannabelieveWe don't know initially in John that, but later the name,
@inannabelieveThe biblical text actually says. And so there's those two different things. We only have what the Bible says and then those associated legends. But the most probably famous object associated with this story is the Holy Lance in Vienna's imperial treasury. It became one of the best examples of a sacred treasure of the Holy Roman Empire.
@inannabelieveAnd rulers in the medieval times believed that relics could provide Divine Protection, Good Luck, and it could also then validate their authority. And that is really where we get into, again, that pedigree, that importance of the validation of their right to rule or their authority over people.
@inannabelieveIt kind of presented a historical problem because the museum dates it to the 8th century and that would have been hundreds of years after the crucifixion. And so then that sort of made it change over time. It was associated with Constantine before it came to be identified with the spear that pierced Christ. And so it's just an interesting example of how an object can acquire new meanings as it passes through these different political and religious settings but still maintains this
@inannabelieveIt's still something that is sought after and looked at as something that could give some sort of power. And of course, we have the Hitler connection. At that point, the Nazis, they did take imperial regalia, including that lance, to Nuremberg after they annexed Austria. there was a bigger story that Hitler was obsessed with and that was the supernatural power of this spear and that was popularized by a particular book by a guy named Ravenscroft and his book was called the Spear of Destiny and those claims kind of straddle modern occult literature as opposed to like an established history but it really captured the imagination of
@inannabelievespecifically Hitler, who was a big fan of this. And so if a ruler can convince people that, of course, he possesses this instrument that had a connection to Christ, that would be huge. And he could have like that validation and also its association with the Germanic people, the lore and the legends after that. So it was a very sought after piece for both its...
@inannabelieveSo this is wild. And so if I think through this, this idea of the spear and first and foremost, I'm just kind of curious for your take on kind of the authenticity.
Ian MalcolmAnd this will take a couple different flavors, I suppose.
Ian MalcolmSo the first would be the idea of Christ being pierced by this object and then this relic kind of being passed throughout the hands of time. The second is this object that you're referencing that I guess they dated it to 800, if I heard you correctly on that one. And I'm kind of curious for where that dating came from, how they arrived at that conclusion, all these other kinds of pieces.
Ian MalcolmAnd I say it because if I'm not mistaken, I think Constantine even had not only a great emphasis on relics and their importance, but if I'm not mistaken, even had one kind of built into the hilt of his sword, if I'm not mistaken. So this is obviously, you know, these were things that these people were, like you were saying, very focused on, and that would have also been physical objects.
Ian MalcolmSo I'm kind of curious, did... did somebody like Constantine at one point possess whatever this object was and say I have this thing in my hand or is it more of a either theoretical or kind of a mystic application of quote unquote having an object if that makes sense?
@inannabelieveNo, that's a good question and that does make sense. I think it's a little of both. It's almost like the Holy Grail which that can come across with all these different And I think they do so because they can sort of...
@inannabelievehave this fluid definition where it can also be something very specific and historically linked to the exact time of Christ but it can also then be linked to a different object that could be held in the hand of a different royal and it could also go above and beyond and maintain itself as a metaphysical concept as well and I think that leads to why it can be so
@inannabelievesort of starts with the traditions that developed around it rather than a real documented chain of ownership. So it does come down to, I think, more lore than anything else. But the spear's role in the Christ story, it's definitely there. It's very important, but it was not the spear that actually killed Jesus in John's account, which is interesting.
@inannabelieveand it becomes part of this gospel testimony then, the wound that's there, of course. So there's a few different scenes here that's associated with the scripture.
@inannabelieveOne is that, and this is specifically coming from John again, that's the most, I think, detailed source, is that none of his bones will be broken and that people will look upon The one that they have pierced.
@inannabelieveum how do we say uh he was a visionary we'll say that so he was writing in this very uh poetic and recursive fashion and so i think that there is that's something to to look at is that this almost primary source or at least the oldest source that we have that's linked to where this even shows up at all is still being Thank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelieveWhen it comes down to the lance and it's dating, it's really... I would say, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I would doubt because of the study that's been done on it that it was the actual spear of destiny. And I think that it could be... It's possible that that Spear of Destiny has not yet been found. And again, I kind of liken it to the Grail Quest.
@inannabelieveI think there could be an actual artifact, maybe others, and then possibly more of a symbolic take on it, if that makes sense. So that's sort of my view on it. But a lot of people have been looking for it still. And a lot of people like the Holy Grail. are interested in finding it for not only those political reasons, but again, those ritual reasons, those metaphysical reasons.
Ian MalcolmWell, that's where I find this so fascinating, why I liked the Indiana Jones audio introduction, because it's actually the same thing, right? In the sense that in Spielberg's film, the National Socialists are after the Ark of the Covenant because they believe it will give them this supernatural power of course presented by Hollywood as taking over the world and all these other things but but if you think through what perhaps either the national socialists or other leaders you mentioned for example that um that this was not perhaps a literal weapon as much as it was the ability to say i have this thing that gives me some kind of manifest destiny um but do you think that there is or within either the national socialists or others has there ever been
Ian MalcolmThe belief that these things could be used the way that Spielberg would have presented, where it's I have this weapon, so now I can conquer the world, rather than viewing it as like a medallion that would give you the right to try and do so.
@inannabelieveVery good question, because I do think that it's another multi-leveled question with a multi-leveled answer, because when you're dealing with something very occult-like, you have it's like a layers of an onion right you're peeling back layers upon layers and so I think at some level it's yes to all of that and that's what makes it such an important relic is that it's for for anybody who could look at it and just say it by itself it has the ability to give me this like right to rule or some sort of legitimacy to people and that would be yes for that but it can then also do something else for those people who
@inannabelieveBelieve. So I think that it can be, the answer is like all of the above. And I think that's why these particular objects are so important. It really only takes, you know, with magic especially, it really just takes the belief of people. And that's really important. And ritual magic as well. The more people that believe, the more energy that this object will have, the more real that it becomes.
@inannabelieveSo I think in some ways, too, some individuals may believe that like if they were to get a hold of the lance, right? And even though this lance was dated differently, I mean, they dated it through a method that is in archaeology called just typology. It's very basic. They just looked at other objects and said, hey, it looks like this type.
@inannabelieveIt looks like that type. And so it was dated. But like later, later, later, they did end up using x-rays and some reflected light microscopy. and Microscopy to get a little more detailed and see if they could find out exactly when it was made. And they were, I mean, it's not the greatest measurement, but they were able to definitely say that it's not the spear of destiny, right?
@inannabelieveIt's again, the eighth century is about the best time we have on it. However, if somebody, and you know, hypothetically speaking, if somebody has this object, and you know not to sound like a child's movie but if they believe strong enough and then they really just you know wish hard enough uh maybe perhaps they could imbue it with that and i don't think that that's far from true because if you have this object say uh during this time and you want to tell people this is the actual spear um you just need everybody believing to give it that energy and give it that power so by virtue of you telling somebody
@inannabelievethis is what it is and you try to prove it and whatever if they believe you then now you've basically gotten that legitimacy from the people you're trying to convince and so it could act as such you can imbue it with that power without it being the actual artifact it's just how hard will you believe it's like fiat currency you say fiat and say i will speak it into existence right abracadabra so but i say it so and we all believe it so it's essentially like a type of currency it's giving you
@inannabelievethe power in that moment so even if something is dated incorrectly you know that's that's it doesn't matter because it can become the fiat it doesn't have to be the exact spear that pierced the sight of jesus during this time if enough people are believing and they put that energy in it it acts as such and it becomes so and i think that that's sort of how these things can almost act as
@inannabelievephysical avatars you know maybe not human avatars or something sentient or biological in that way but in some way a container a container for all of that targeted energy things objects can contain that energy so that that's sort of a way to look at it i believe that this object could be almost in some ways holding a reincarnation of the energy of the spirit of destiny
@inannabelieveSo that while on one hand you could argue, well, clearly it's not the Spear of Destiny. True, it's not. However, maybe on some other level it is. And so again, it's just that esoteric, exoteric. And that means that maybe there's more, maybe there's another Spear of Destiny. Maybe it's still something that when we look for it, we, you know, it's, it doesn't matter if it's linked to the right time period, if it's,
@inannabelieveI don't know if that makes any sense, but I guess I'm thinking of it more of a metaphysical object or at least a metaphysically charged object as well.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, of course. And there's power certainly built into that kind of train of thought in ways that I think people don't fully grasp, right? And you've got all kinds of studies and it sounds a little rose colored glasses, but you hear all kinds of things about the power of for positive thinking for recoveries and medical processes.
Ian MalcolmEven all the way to, I always found this one really interesting, Dr. Lynn, which is the idea that different types of music when played to plants or even different types of conversations that the scientists could have with them have effects on the, let's say the growth and the productivity of the plant itself. There's one that I found actually really interesting, which goes into what you're suggesting there, which was basically they had a plant that people said all these nice things to.
Ian MalcolmThey had a plant that they said all the mean things to. And they had a plant they left entirely by itself. And the thing I always found very interesting, the one that was left alone, completely devoid of any interaction is actually the one that did the worst, followed by the one that got yelled at. And then the one that was given all the positive affirmation did far better.
Ian MalcolmAnd so my suggestion is just that there is energy. in connectivity and in the things that we either share with ourselves or with others, et cetera. I really do think there's something to that. So I can completely understand if somebody had a device or a relic that they were able to say, this offers us X, that people can get behind that.
Ian MalcolmAnd that perhaps the belief in something can manifest real world change in ways that I hope we're able to bring about with the things that we do in these spaces. And so with that, I'm kind of curious, because so the national socialists have this reputation of, and this is even from those that have great disdain for everything that was happening in Germany at that point in time, but that they were incredible record keepers, right?
Ian MalcolmThere's all this data around where every single one of their ships, their weapons, their people, et cetera, all of that was. I'm curious if, are there any records that would indicate that not only were they searching, but also had found Some of these objects that we're talking about, and if so, what might have been in this catalog?
Ian MalcolmAnd then as a follow up, where might they have gone? Are these things that were destroyed? Or is there a reason to believe perhaps they're in the Vatican or the White House? I'm kind of curious, what do we have records of and know that absolutely existed, if that makes sense? Yeah, that does make sense.
@inannabelieveAnd I love what you have to say about the water too. The plants and the whole energy and all of that. It reminds me, there was a study that came out about flowers that responded to pollinator sounds within minutes by increasing nectar sugar concentration. And that's something that it's in PubMed and people can look for it.
@inannabelieveBut there's a... There's an energy and a connection between plants that I think is something notable. It also reminds me of, if you're familiar with the field of somatics, the visualization of patterns that get produced by vibration. You can see people will put sand or something on a metal plate and it'll start vibrating to the sound.
@inannabelieveAt a particular resonant frequency, the plate develops these really cool JoAnn gives out the Woo currency.
@inannabelieveOkay, this is a lot of woo, but just the idea that everything is vibration, right? Everything's frequency. So there's a lot to it there. And so when we're talking about objects, I think they can carry some sort of energy with them. But as you said, it was more than just the Spear of Destiny. There were a lot of these different things that people were looking for.
@inannabelieveAnd they were great documentarians. But unfortunately, a lot of those documents have been lost. So there's some of that, but not all. But some of the things that I know that they were looking for in particular, wow, I mean, they were looking for, of course, Atlantis. We know that. I mean, in terms of places, they were looking for the Holy Grail, evidence of...
@inannabelievetheir Aryan origins specifically in Tibet that was a big one so they went there to look for a lot of different both ethnographic research but also artifacts and they collected a lot of sacred texts and artifacts and there are there are records of that so a lot of them were I would say Books, papers, some accounts as well.
@inannabelieveMaybe not the most impressive artifacts coming out of there. But they did look for evidence of that. Let's see. They did look for... They made like a bunch of plaster casts of the petroglyphs in Sweden and in Denmark. and Norway. And I'm not sure necessarily if they have all of those still or what, but that was a big one that they did.
@inannabelieveThey had like all of these different cats and I'm not sure where they went. So I know that they, I don't know if we still have those or not, but they were very meticulous in their...
@inannabelieveAnd so, but I mean, it was quite an achievement. They do have a lot of documents that were sort of the illustrations of these casts and what's called the Fossum Disc cast. And that's actually in a museum in, I think, Stockholm. And it shows some amazing runes and a really cool, like, it kind of looks like a wheel. of time and it shows like seasonality to it and it's almost like sort of a turning wheel and that sort of thing so but yeah that that was a big one but they they really like there's a lot and it's been sort of spread out through these different museums and things like that so but some of them have been lost as well the Ark of the Covenant of course we don't necessarily have that but some
@inannabelieveclaims of people who have been searching for ARC said that it possibly was in Spain. So you still have people out there looking for it in these different areas. But yeah, they were looking not necessarily for treasure. I mean, a lot of people put it out as though it was just treasure, but they don't necessarily talk about the things like all of the plaster casts that they made of the petroglyphs, all of the different...
@inannabelieveI'm very curious, Dr. Lynn, do you think Speaking of Indiana
Ian MalcolmDo you think that somewhere, right, do they have just like in, I think it's the end, yes it is, it's the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, right? They go out, they go on this great quest to find this incredibly important artifact, they find it, the National Socialists try to open it and do some kind of voodoo spell. I'm curious for your thought on what it was that Spielberg was trying to suggest with that perhaps.
Ian MalcolmBut if you remember in the end, the thing gets the logo, the insignia burned onto it, and it just shows this elderly gentleman wheeling the thing throughout this vast catacomb of just rows and rows and rows of relics and relics and relics. I'm kind of curious for your thoughts. Where do you suppose, whether it's the lance or the spear of destiny, either of those two, if not some of these other items that you've been talking about, where do you think these things...
Ian MalcolmAre some of them in a museum? Do you think they're private collectors? Do you think they've all just been lost in the sands of time? What do you suppose, if any of these pieces, do we still have aside from maybe the Shroud of Turin, which I think would certainly qualify us kind of this degree of importance?
@inannabelieveWell, a couple things. One, you mentioned it dead on. The private... collections that's i believe where a lot of this uh would be um a few museums of course there are museums that have things uh and and it could be things they don't even realize are important that happens a lot where a study will come out or some sort of thing will be published that says uh wow we just discovered this new artifact or this new um you know text and it was sort of in our collection or in our basement somehow this whole time and an archivist went down found it and
@inannabelieverealize what it was and then published about it so sometimes things like that can be also just hiding in plain sight in museums often though they have been preserved through family bloodlines people who've passed those things down to family members and they've kept them safe kept them hidden but kept them safe and then that way you know they are available for study usually
@inannabelieveJust within a close circle. That's one thing. But another thing that a lot of people fail to discuss, I think, is that of a place like what's depicted in the Indiana Jones franchise, almost like a Warehouse 13, right, for anyone who remembers that show. There is a thing very much like that that exists, and people use it, they know about it, they leverage it for tax evasion, and that is called a Freeport.
@inannabelieveI don't know if you're familiar with a Freeport, but the Freeports are luxury art storage facilities that are associated with Geneva. Luxembourg and Singapore these are huge secure warehouses where collectors can store valuable objects under very special customs arrangements okay so they're not they're they're considered sort of offshore and that just describes their financial function more than their actual geography um but they're they do have comparable facilities in the in the us but not quite the same and so free ports are where these things go and free ports um
@inannabelieveThese warehouses are so secure. They hold paintings, antiquities, jewelry, you name it. They're physically protected. They're hard to get to. They're extraordinarily private. Switzerland's Custom Authority describes the basic arrangement as storing goods before their definitive importation or onward export. So it's this kind of
@inannabelieveor just like a purgatory almost. So with the original reason for them, kind of the commercial logic is straightforward. It's goods passing through a country shouldn't have to incur the same import charges as goods being sold for use there. And so that's the initial premise, right? So these free ports are used for luxuries.
@inannabelieveit's considered this like big luxury it's controversial of course because the extension of this sort of tax arrangement becomes a prolonged state of wealth so you can have it's supposed to kind of just be in theory temporary like you're gonna put it here in purgatory and but it does not become that so a painting say a very valuable painting can remain technically quote in transit
@inannabelievewhile it sits in the same building, the same warehouse for years, for decades, for as long as necessary, it could be hidden. And then 2018, I want to say there was a European Parliament study that cited an estimate of more than 1.2 million, okay, 1.2 million artworks alone in the Geneva Freeport. And it included works that had not...
@inannabelieveleft buildings in decades okay and so that's that's crazy the art in in these free ports can change owners then without it leaving its storage room so think about this a hypothetical example right a collector or somebody somehow gets a painting for say 10 million dollars puts it in a free port and many many years later another collector can get it for 15 million but just keeps it there
@inannabelieveso the ownership and the money change hands but that that artifact that painting just sits there so depending on the laws and say like customs duties and and that that all of that all of that can remain suspended throughout this entire process and so it's a very very uh tricky way to hide everything so it's it's not necessarily tax evasion it's like tax deferral
@inannabelieveYou can legally postpone the import tax, and it's not technically tax evasion. So this Freeport storage, it doesn't take away the taxes on the seller's profits or anything like that, but it doesn't matter because it can sit there forever.
Ian MalcolmJust for visualization, is this essentially referenced in Christopher Nolan's Tenet, if you've seen the movie? They have an entire concept of these kind of art warehouses that are in the movie. It's stored essentially adjacent to an airport. So they get off their private jet and they go straight into this storage facility.
Ian MalcolmIs this kind of along those lines or am I missing?
@inannabelieveI've not seen that film, so I can't say for sure. But from what you've described, it sounds like it sounds pretty close. Yeah, sure.
@joann_marieIt's just wild.
@inannabelieveBut they exist. They exist. They're very well known. They're very much used. and you know art in particular and art isn't just the painting of course it's artifacts all of these things they're extraordinarily useful for holding wealth privately because a single object can represent millions of dollars and its valuation is extraordinarily subjective and so transactions can involve intermediaries companies all kinds of nefarious people and states and so it's something that you know I guess in this film I mean that's
@inannabelieveI don't think it's depicted enough. I don't think it's talked about enough. And it's the idea of the art world and the valuation of art. It's a completely rigged game. And anything from so-called modern art to, and I say that because it's just... This is another way, modern art, which I'm not the biggest fan of. Sorry, sorry for anyone who loves modern art, but I'm not the biggest fan.
@inannabelieveAnd a part of it is because of this idea that you can just sort of make whatever and somebody can subjectively put a dollar amount on it. It can go sit in one of these free ports or otherwise, and it can be used to hide wealth, right? It doesn't mean that the painting was good. It doesn't mean that the artist was good.
@inannabelieveIt's a way to... Thank you for joining us.
@inannabelievecannot fire things without oxygen so that's that's how they do it yes it's pretty crazy yeah yeah exactly um and so there's a lot of secrecy around them and uh and there's direct archaeological connection again it's not just people trying to puff up the modern art you know space or any of this uh in i think it was 2010 the swiss customs uh discovered um a whole roman marble sarcophagus
@inannabelieveIn the Geneva Freeport. And it had the 12 labors of Hercules on it and dated to like the second century. And they traced its origin through this investigation to this actually illicit excavation that happened in Turkey. And so it wasn't even like a necessarily approved excavation.
@inannabelieveSo the whole thing was kind of illegal, allegedly, but restitution was ordered later after that, some years later. And it was actually the University of Geneva that made the exhibit then in, I think, 2017 before it was supposed to be returned. So they still kind of tried to squeeze some... you know attention and money out of it but it just illustrates how these warehouses are literally involved in the trafficking of cultural property beyond just the question of hiding from taxes or or any of this and so they're just used as a very convenient secure and secretive spot to hide things and it can be just in transit very you know for just a few years or whatever or for
@inannabelievea very long time there's really no limit on the amount of time so they can act as de facto warehouses for these types of objects and they are accessed by very wealthy individuals and so yes they can be in somebody's library maybe at their at their home or their manor but they don't have to be and it's probably more secure to put them in these free ports for the reasons that you know you suggested as well with the fire safety aspects there's a lot more
@inannabelieveThank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelieveto actually house and maintain it and it may be like well what do you mean it's just you just set it down right you put it in a box whatever well everything's accounted for the space the archival materials you have to purchase even down to quantifying the electricity used to you know make sure the climate is controlled exactly to the specification of that artifact etc and so you can assign a dollar amount to it and you can say well it's not within our best interest to house this artifact in the museum anymore because it's hurting our budget right and so in that case you can say i could get x amount of money to sell the artifact and that's called
@inannabelieveDeaccessioning. And they'll do an analysis on that and say, you know, it's going to cost a little too much for us to have this artifact. It's not bringing in any funds for us. It's not helping us raise any money. Let's deaccession it. And then it can be sold to another museum or sometimes a private collector. So there's this idea of how much is it going to cost?
@inannabelieveWhat's the cost benefit analysis of housing this artifact? That's in a professional setting. Well, now you have to consider if you're a person who has this maybe in your family bloodline, You know, you still have those considerations. Like, do I have the ability to maintain this in my library? Maybe if we imagine somebody of a, you know, maybe a landed gentry, right?
@inannabelieveThey may have... A beautiful home and a beautiful estate somewhere, but it doesn't mean that they have the funds necessarily to maintain that. You see a lot of the great homes in Britain, especially sometimes still falling in disrepair. The family's ancient, they have the pedigree, but they just don't have the cash on hand to take care of their entire home, let alone maybe the artifacts that are in there.
@inannabelieveSo they face a similar dilemma. Whereas these free ports, they have a lot of money. They have a lot of things. So if you can imagine somebody in a position where they're like, you know what? We want to house this. We want this taken care of for the long game. We don't want the liability to or the costs associated with it.
@inannabelieveLet's put it in the Freeport. So, you know, the Freeports, I think, are really where to look.
Ian MalcolmThat's crazy. And this idea of the Freeport, I'm so curious because. We've got some of these names that we often bring up in these spaces, the Rothschilds and the likes. And I really do wonder what is in the collection of these groups of people that just have, you know, it's not even billions. I genuinely believe it's probably trillions of dollars of wealth.
Ian MalcolmIt's just it's incalculable. And we've even seen the video. with one of the Rothschilds pointing to, for example, the Balfour Declaration. It's just like sitting in his house in a glass case. He's like, oh yeah, then we got this thing here. I wonder what else is just rummaging around. It really is pretty wild in the thought that one of them somewhere on a dinner plate is like, oh yeah, that's the thing that stabbed Jesus.
@inannabelieveThat is crazy, but it's actually very true. We think about that maybe from that European perspective, the Rothschilds, those families, but I'll tell you, I can tell you firsthand that the individuals, the royal families in the Middle East, in those areas, go through the same thing. I've been sent photographs before of artifacts that are particularly...
@inannabelieveMesopotamian in origin that I've been asked to. I mean, very high-res photos, you know, in fairness, they're saying, hey, can you take a look at this artifact? Can you tell me what this tablet might say? Can you tell me, can you date it from afar or whatever? The interesting part about these photographs that I have received is that they're in perfect museum quality.
@inannabelieveyou know glass cases but when you look at the surroundings it's they've been literally in somebody's living room where it's a beautiful view you know from the window but there's a sectional couch and a television and a couple people sitting around it is literally somebody's living room and so absolutely people have these artifacts in their homes to this day and I mean that's pretty much where archaeology itself came from to begin with it was the
@inannabelieveThe cognitive curiosities that the elites, so-called elites, would house their artifacts that they would go look for. I mean, we call it looting now, of course, or whatever, but they were called the antiquarians. Then they had these societies where they got together and they had the money and the wherewithal and the ability.
@inannabelieveI mean, that's something to consider too. Yes, it might seem nefarious, but at the same time, Thank you for joining us.
@inannabelieveand do the research and get the spoils and what they would do is bring it back to their homes and they would often have the cabinet of curiosities which was less a cabinet and more a room and like a mini museum and you know I've told this story before but it's a fun one I'm a big fan of the television show and the films later the Downton Abbey for anyone familiar with that the Downton Abbey itself is
@inannabelieveactually called Highclere Castle, and that particular castle housed a lot of Egyptian artifacts back in the day, and I think it still has some, but it's because the original lord of that manor was the one who funded the excavation and expedition to find King Tut. And so that's just an interesting part of that, but that's where archeology came from to begin with.
@inannabelievePeople going out and looking for these things, bringing it back and putting them in their homes. So in some of these great homes still, those artifacts remain. And I'm more concerned with the books too in those libraries because it's much easier to maintain your book collection in a time where there's a little bit of social upheaval.
@inannabelievePeople were not really happy with these individuals having access to these things. And so they sort of got ahead of it a bit and said, well, we're going to legitimize this and Aquarianism. And we're going to, we're going to make it a science. We're going to share it with the public. We're going to have open access to museums.
@inannabelieveWe'll put all the things from our cabinet of curiosities in a museum holding so the public can go view it. And so even to this day, you may see labels beside artifacts in the museum that say, you know, a generous gift from the such and such family or on loan, but like for a very long time on loan, right? Almost like a Freeport itself, like, but it still belongs to the family.
@inannabelievebut these families had these artifacts and continue sometimes to own them but it looks a little maybe I don't know unpleasant to people who have a more maybe democratized sense of things to know that these important artifacts are sitting in someone's home and so a lot of them have been offloaded but a lot of the books those are easier to hide and those books contain so much information so in a lot of ways if I were on the hunt for something
@inannabelieveI think I'd be more on the hunt for the information in the books than I would be maybe a spear. But in the sense of the Mesopotamian archaeology, there is an artifact that is a little bit of both. And that artifact is aptly named the Tablet of Destinies. Always about these destinies, right? We really want to know what we're destined for.
@inannabelieveWhat is in that book or tablet? oh it's it's it's one of my favorites right okay so the tablet of destinies it is a sacred object in this ancient mesopotamian mythology it's associated with of course divine authority divine right to rule and the power to determine the ordering of the entire world so literally like the new world order the essential idea behind it is that the gods could decree destinies and establish what would happen and what roles
@inannabelievewould be occupied within the universe. So it's the tablet that embodies all the authority. And it's probably first or at least most dramatic appearances in the story of Anzu. And that's this monstrous bird that's commonly depicted with the head of a lion. And Anzu steals the tablet of destinies from the god Enlil while Enlil is taking a bath.
@inannabelieveand this creates this huge crisis and all this drama with the gods because Anzu took the means of exercising Enlil's authority right so now Enlil doesn't have this tablet and Enlil lacks authority but this warrior god Ninurta confronts this bird this this this Anzu and then recovers the tablet. And so it's this big epic.
@inannabelieveThere's interesting art that depicts it and that sort of thing. But the object then appears in the Babylonian creation epic, the Enuma Elish. And in that story, the primordial sea goddess Tiamat gives the tablet to Kingu and fastens it to his chest. And then it goes with him during his elevation to sort of command over her forces so it gets lifted into this position of divine authority then you know there's the defeat of Tiamat and then Marduk takes the tablet from Kingu and seals it with his own seal and then places it on his own chest so you have this like very ancient battle back and forth between these figures for the acquisition of this tablet
@inannabelieveAnd it's important to note that in both of these, it's the sealing and wearing of the tablet that is sort of the pinnacle of ownership. And that's important because in the Mesopotamian world... they used written documents and seals to establish ownership and that would help them authenticate the decisions or validate something and and of course then exercise authority and so you have the Sumerian cylinder seals right so these seals these images so this is very important they were very um uh sort of you know they were great record keepers but they were very um administrative in their uh thinking and so
@inannabelieveThere's something interesting, though, in the Babylonian epic, and that's that Marduk, he was able to kind of demonstrate really huge power before he even had the tablet. And later, then, he presents it to Anu, this bird. and so there's sometimes this variation in between these stories that it can maybe function as an instrument of like supernatural power but also then as an emblem of sovereignty and so maybe even one entity already has the power but the emblem or this tablet gave them not necessarily the power but the authority to actually exercise the power making that individual the sovereign or the ruler
@inannabelieveand so it's really tied also to then the idea of writing being reality and so these stories all sort of imagine this universe in which decrees have these consequences for the structure of existence itself sort of like I mentioned with fiat or abracadabra the idea that you speak something into existence and so you know in a modern sense we could look at that like maybe
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@inannabelievewhether it's a some sort of magic some sort of a ritual or what I believe to be a mathematic code because we know the Sumerians later the Babylonians they were known for their sciences and their ability to perform math at levels that We can't actually do today. And I know that sounds like an overstatement because so much of this ancient civilization and claims of ancient technology will make those hyperbolic claims and say there's nothing ever like it.
@inannabelieveAnd almost to imply that they had all this like, you know, nuts and bolts technology back then that we don't have or whatever. And again, I wouldn't say that that wasn't the case. I mean, who knows? I wasn't there. But I will say in this particular case. it is not unreasonable to make the claim that their mathematical capability using only clay and a reed stylus far surpassed what we have now even though we have computers and that's peer-reviewed research saying that not me there are multiple studies that have been done and published that show uh in particular there's one i remember again all this is googleable but there's one in particular that was not too terribly long ago with a
@inannabelieveMathematician in Britain who had been working for a long time trying to crack the code of a particular problem in geometry. And he had computers and he had grad students and could not figure it out. And over time what he did is he went to the British Museum and accessed their Sumerian tablets, looked at the Babylonian mathematic tablets, and just worked there for a long time until one day one stood out
@inannabelieveand it literally solved the problem and again this was they cracked the code they had already figured out the answer to his mathematic problem thousands of years ago and that enabled them to you know go through and figure it all out and publish it have it peer-reviewed and all credit goes down to the babylonians and that's one of just a handful of cases but it sets a precedence for that claim so it's not hyperbolic to say that the babylonians the sumerians the ancient mesopotamians had an understanding of the nature of reality based in math specifically geometry that we do not have today and it's my personal belief that what is on the tablet of destinies is something that is
@inannabelieveMathematic and Origin that could allow us to understand something fundamental to the nature of reality, something perhaps involving our destinies, something perhaps involving what the destiny is in terms of energy. And so I think it has to do with the concept that is called free energy. I don't mean that in the way of like propelling a UFO or any of the way that it's talked about now, but the free energy in the sense of entropy.
@inannabelieveSo I believe that on this tablet of destinies there is a mathematic code that can be accessed to possibly crack the question of free energy ultimately down to life itself because isn't that the thing to begin with you know we talk about free energy like oh it'd be great to be able to zoom around and You know, fast. And I don't downplay that.
@inannabelieveI've had some criticism a bit for that. Like, oh, don't you understand the economic value of free energy would be enormous. We'd all have electricity. We'd all have the ability to create. Yes, yes, yes. This is true. But I would say this. The people in positions of power, would they let us have that free energy? Would it really unlock everything or would it still be controlled?
@inannabelieveThe access would be controlled, etc. And even so, that's another question altogether. If you dig a little deeper, maybe pun intended there, if you dig a little deeper, you'll find what is energy anyway? Is it just about propelling us from one place to the other? Or is it about energy, life itself, our ability to live forever, the energy at an atomic level, a subatomic level?
@inannabelieveI mean, sure, we could have electricity that never goes away, but we may also actually find the actual Holy Grail. Maybe through finding the tablet of destinies, we'll find out the answer to everlasting life. Again, sounds like an overstatement, but if we look at it from a mathematic principle, it could very well be a piece of the puzzle that ultimately I think everybody in a position of power wants at the end of the day, which is unlimited power, the ability to live forever.
@inannabelieveEven the Mesopotamian texts talk about that. When it comes to the first epic that we know, the epic of Gilgamesh, the whole point is to find that way to make sure that you don't die. At the end of the day, it's about living forever, in my view. And I know that people are on the search for the Tablet of Destinies.
@joann_marieDo you think that's what they're doing in CERN, to try to find these answers without having the tablet, and that's why they're doing that?
@inannabelieveI, you know, I... I would say it's tough it's tough I know a lot of people see a lot of the a lot of the ways that they're looking for information is compartmentalized and siloed right so you could tell a group of scientists what we're doing is we're trying to you know look for x and you spend all that time looking for x and it could be in a particular discipline like say for instance like like a
@inannabelieveLike biology. Okay, so we'll be looking for maybe something, some concept in biology, right? And it can sometimes then, the same question, the same things could be answered through a different discipline. Because we're looking at fundamental laws here. You know, so like say, like back to like the idea of entropy. There was a...
@inannabelieveSo entropy itself, you know, the second law of thermodynamics, one of the most fundamental laws in all of physics states that in any closed system, entropy always increases, right? Energy disperses, heat dissipates. Like we talked about with the Kali Yuga, order actually decays. You cannot build a perpetual motion machine.
@inannabelieveYou can't have this like... free energy thing you just can't get something for nothing right but that's physics in the 40s there was a mathematician named Claude Shannon at Bell Labs and he was working on this kind of different problem right how to measure the amount of information as a signal and so this is information theory and communications he needed an equation and the one he built turned out to be mathematically identical to
@inannabelieveWhat physicists called Boltzmann's entropy formula from thermodynamics. And what's funny about this is that Shannon, it was reported that he asked his colleagues, one in particular, John von Neumann, who was this legendary mathematician, what he should call this, right? And von Neumann told him, call it entropy because, quote, nobody really knows what entropy means.
@inannabelieveSo in a debate, you'll always have the advantage, end quote. and so that I mean that was that's not even a joke that's that's two of the most important mathematicians out of the 20th century and they were looking at two different things right like physics and communications theory and so you could take biology right communications theory
@inannabelievephysics all of that what we're really trying to do you can find the tip of the iceberg you dig deeper and you're going to find math is underlying all of it so they can silo all of these scientists all of these individuals and say what you're searching for is this and they are searching for that and they can find the answer to that but the result though can also be that they find a fundamental mathematic axiomatic truth
@inannabelieveAnd I think that's that multi-level kind of approach that they're doing. And you see Epstein tied to that. He was funding a lot of different things and a lot of different people that would seem a little kind of unrelated. But he was a mathematician. He was worried about the math. And so math is the universal language. And I think that's where it all comes down to.
@inannabelieveSo in terms of CERN, it very well could be that the people working there believe they're searching for X. And they may find X and they may show that and be able to demonstrate that. But as a consequence of finding X, they may also be able to demonstrate a particular mathematic truth. And if they take that mathematic truth, if the people who fund it or the people who have this interest or who know, who have not been siloed,
@inannabelieveright they're the ones who are kind of controlling it all when they see the results come out of CERN that say look they've proven this now we have a fundamental law because it corresponds with this from this other completely different field we're trying to find truths and that is in my belief why we lack interdisciplinary and multidisciplinary research anymore we don't have polymaths we don't have the men or women of letters as much as we used to
@inannabelieveWe have the whole education system in higher ed is devoted to getting you in there and hyper specialization, right? You just have people who are, I mean, it's almost ludicrous the level of hyper specialization you have when you do a dissertation on a topic, right? And that's by design. It's so that they can control, they can get you trained, they can get you in the system so that you do the experiments and you create the data.
@inannabelieveAnd at the end of it though, they, the ones at the top, they're the multidisciplinarians they're the ones that can see the forest for the trees you're stuck in the tree they're the ones who are controlling and planting the forest and that's a whole another thing right there and those are the people who are at the very tippy top of this all and that's what Epstein was involved with that's why he was interested in entropy that's why it's a huge interest to him that and things like Atlantis you know things that seem very woo
@inannabelieveBut it is my belief that the tablet of destinies, as funny as it may sound, is actually an important part to all of this. Now, whether or not it even exists, I mean, whether or not it can be found, again, not necessarily even fully the point, because if they believe it, they're going to look. And, you know, the odds, though, of it existing over, say, a Spear of Destiny...
@inannabelieveare much higher because of what it's made of anyway. And the fact that as of now, as of the moment we're speaking, there's half a million Sumerian tablets in museums and universities right now and millions more to be found and others hidden. So the probability of something like that, like that sort of artifact mystical or otherwise being found and accessed is much higher when it comes to it being
@inannabelieveThis is such an amazing space.
@joann_marieSo it's kind of like the Emerald Tablets, but it's about different kind of power because the one in the Emerald Tablets was more about alchemy, right?
@inannabelieveYes. Yeah, this one is, and again, I mean, this one, I believe, is math. I mean, the legends say that it just simply is a, you know, decrees. It's, you know, whatever. But, I mean, there's a lot there to unpack. But if you could imagine the claim that it had was that whoever had it, not only did they have the right to rule, but they could order the entire world in a sense of reality.
@inannabelieveThey also lived forever. So, I don't know. I think that... I think the answer is always math at the end of the day. But it can be obfuscated by all of the different activities and, you know, I don't know, hobbies and pursuits of others. But, you know, we have hard science, soft science. Archaeology is a soft science. But at the end of the day, it's all about that math, you know?
@inannabelieveIt's the math.
Ian MalcolmNo, and what a... This is something... Yeah, what a... The conversation going all over. And the thing that I love about this is that in addition to getting kind of the spirit of destiny and also this lance, which is a very interesting little piece there, this idea that we know something physically existed, right? Also where these things might be.
Ian MalcolmIt brings me to kind of a final question before, and we've got so many hands and people that are interested in asking questions, Dr. Lynn. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. One of the ones that I'm curious for before we kind of round out and open it up, You were mentioning, for example, getting a call where somebody's showing you this unbelievable relic in somebody's private collection.
Ian MalcolmI'm kind of curious what you have experienced. What's been the wildest piece that you have either in person or that you've, I guess, in this digital fashion with somebody that, let's just say they FaceTimed you or whatever, right? What's the thing that you have personally come across that you found the most interesting, both from a historical and then also perhaps from a religious sense, if there were any.
@inannabelieveGreat question. Well, I have, I've seen a lot of things come my way. A lot of them are various gods or goddess statuettes, but they don't seem very spectacular. I mean, there's always stories, there's always things, but I think that the ones that really capture my interest do come down to the tablets, any of the Mesopotamian tablets.
@inannabelieveI get a lot of pictures of those sent to me. I've had people in Iraq send them to me. I've had people go sort of on recon missions and then send me some of the things. And so I think those are probably my favorite. Those are the ones that I think both have religious implications. Practical Implications, Political, and all of the above.
@inannabelieveAnd when I get those, I spend a lot of time trying to contextualize those, figure those out, and yeah, put it together. I think it'd have to be the tab of cylinder seals, impressions like that, especially the ones that are lesser known, because they're available online, there's a lot of different ones, but when you have people who are actually on the ground sending you high-res photos of that,
@inannabelieveuh it's um it's totally different because then you wonder why weren't these scanned before what's going on with these of course asking about the providence of it like how did you come about getting these it was this ethical what's going on who are you there's always a story there so i'm usually pretty excited when i get an email that contains information from a another sumerian cylinder seal or a tablet
Ian MalcolmI love it. And I know I said it was going to be the last. I got one more and then we're going to go to JoAnn. And I say this because we're going to have the pleasure of speaking with Bryce Lipscomb tomorrow. He has taken us through some curious pieces around history. In particular, we've talked about some of the titans of industry with Morgan and the Rockefeller.
Ian MalcolmWe did Henry Ford. We went back. We talked Thomas Jefferson. He wants to go forward, well, for his timeline, to go forward to World War II, and we're going to be discussing his view on the idea of, let's say, post-World War II Antarctic adventures. and the National Socialists. And I know that there's a little bit of overlap because we were talking about the sphere of destiny and the Nazis.
Ian MalcolmI'm kind of curious for your thoughts if you have any on that concept, because I know you've obviously talked a lot about alien technology or future technology. And I know that often wraps in with Admiral Byrd and all the things that were supposedly taking place up in Antarctica. So I wanted to ask one final question, then we're going to go to JoAnn.
Ian MalcolmOh, well, that sounds like a great guest.
@inannabelieveI'd be very interested in listening in on that. So I'm not familiar with his work. So that sounds really cool. But in terms of the, you know, of course, the Admiral Byrd story or Antarctica or any of that, I really think there's something there. I mean, I really, not much to say on it other than I think there's really something there.
@inannabelieveI know there's a lot of Hollow Earth claims. There's, you know, there's so much lore. There's so much there. But... But it just, to me, like that would probably be the number one place if you said, okay, I'm going to give you all the money and support you could ever ask for to do one excavation. And it'd be hard because, you know, there's plenty of places in Mesopotamia that would be fantastic to hit up.
@inannabelieveBut man, I think the ability to go and find maybe even just the underground Nazi fortress that, you know, they talk about, Base 211 or...
@inannabelieveuh sort of paraphrase of the Nietzsche quote of there are two types of people in the world those who want to know and those who want to believe and as i sit here in my studio i'm actually looking at that x files i want to believe poster up on my wall that iconic one right and i typically don't want to believe i want to know um however in this case a little part of me wants to believe that there is something there and so uh but i'd much rather like to know so
@inannabelieveDefinitely will be listening in on that space that you have with Bryce. That sounds great.
Ian MalcolmIt's funny you say that. I was going to whistle the X-Files theme as you were saying that. You want to believe. I was like, I know.
@remickroy18723That sounds familiar. Right? Yeah.
Ian MalcolmSo, JoAnn, and I know, so for anybody not familiar. JoAnn, initially, when we had the first conversation with Dr. Lynn around the Anunnaki, JoAnn not only helped to set that up, but was the motivating factor. And she's like, I am so excited to talk to this woman. Dr. Lynn, JoAnn is one of your absolute biggest fans. And so I've got to ask JoAnn, your thoughts on
Ian MalcolmThis one, relative to the Inunaki, I know we haven't gone to all the Q&A. I'm sure there's lots of great questions from some of the people that have come up. But I'm curious for your thoughts on the Spear of Destiny, JoAnn, and everything else that Dr. Lynn covered.
@joann_marieNo, I love it. I love it. I'm like, I want to ask a million questions, but I'll let other people. I just love listening to her. So, no, thank you so much, Dr. Lynn. Like, seriously, I love how you walk through everything and you explain everything perfectly and you... I don't know, like you talk about all these like esoteric and maybe magical and spiritual things, but also with logic and reason.
@joann_marieAnd like, I don't know, it's like the perfect amount for me. So I really, really appreciate it.
@inannabelieveSo thank you so much. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me on.
@joann_marieYes. And let's go to a couple of hands and maybe after I can ask a million questions. Moneypenny, welcome. How are you?
@nic_moneypennyI was fine until I've just had an Epstein Rothschild post censored while I was in this space because of a link to saying something bad about Jews. Isn't that bizarre? I'm going to send Ian the evidence. It is really weird. It's just happened whilst I was in this space. But Dr. Heather is absolutely incredible. You know what?
@nic_moneypennyAbsolutely fascinating. I started making notes because of the amount of things that I wanted to comment on, mostly in a supportive, provocative way. But you did speak about the Brits a bit. Dr. Heather, I'm in England, I am British, and I love you. I think you are absolutely amazing.
Ian MalcolmThank you. Well, I love you too.
@nic_moneypennyI love the Brits. I love Britain.
Ian MalcolmMy family's English, so I can't help it.
@nic_moneypennyOh, wonderful. You've also got quite Celt looks. I don't know if you've got any Celt in your actual genetics.
@inannabelieveI do. Yes, yes, I do.
@nic_moneypennyWow, that is fascinating. Yeah, I'm Celt. I'm half Scottish, half British.
@inannabelieveSame, same, actually. That's funny.
@nic_moneypennyYou're joking. Well, you've got that beautiful pale skin and those very insightful eyes. I'm not being funny, but you probably look a little bit like me. It's kind of scary. But your brain is brilliant. I think mine is pretty good, actually. But over and over, everything that you're talking about started triggering. I'm a bit of a science nerd.
@nic_moneypennyI'm very much into energy in science. And I've been looking a lot at consciousness on a sort of macro level, even a quantum level. And I'm even fascinated. I did a lot of research into Epstein. and a lot of it looked at money laundering and a lot of it was related to art and precious art and the question of what we value as being art that is something that somebody would pay multi-million billions for.
@nic_moneypennyBut I'm looking at it in a completely hysteric way here from one of my first comments which would be do we think that when we look at a hive mind potential that there might be that quantum cloud The only thing of value when we come to be a quantum community is the creativity.
@nic_moneypennyor an innovation that is what creates energy and everything in life fundamentally is about energy and energy transition is within every cell of our body every interaction we have with any other organic life form but creativity brings energy that is also potentially driven by an emotional reaction when we look at a beautiful painting
@nic_moneypennyWhen we hear a beautiful piece of music, it inspires energy. And when in Pluribus, they were very excited about the lady writing a book, it was because there was nothing in the hive mind that was ever going to be new other than somebody being creative and creating a book, a piece of artwork, a picture, whatever it might be, has unbelievable value, incredible value.
@nic_moneypennybecause of the potential that it will effectively become new data in a very, very base level. It is new data and creativity has an ability to do that, but it requires emotion, which is something that other types of intelligence, whether they be artificial intelligence, silicon intelligence, other types of cosmic intelligence beyond humans cannot create that level of energy
@nic_moneypennyacross the cosmos. Hence the value we attribute to precious paintings, artworks, and whatever. And I wonder, potentially related to whether the German socialists had a special understanding of the value of artwork that had a particularly special type of value that other people wouldn't understand beyond just being sensitive or sentimental or the rest of it.
@nic_moneypennyIs there something more to the human ability to instill creativity and emotion into something that is manufactured? What do you think?
@inannabelieveI think very much so. And I think that, and although I have said this on a few places before, I think it warrants saying again, that I think that a definition, there's a few definitions, but one definition of magic is so like enacting your will from a distance, right? creativity and art in particular is literal magic because if you imagine a painter or say an author who writes a poem they maybe they're a poet they write a poem with the intention of moving a person to tears and they wrote this 100 years ago and the person is long since dead and maybe they're from a different country even and then later somebody else picks up that same book and they look at that poem and they are in fact moved to tears
@inannabelieveWhat happened then is that individual poet, 100 years ago, they put their will out there. They used their creativity, they used symbols, and they used all of the different ways that they could express what was inside to actually materialize, to make matter, to make that happen. And it mattered to the person in 100 years later that engaged with that poem and they were moved to tears.
@inannabelieveThat meant that that individual 100 years ago, they were able to allow their will All of these are the fundamental...
@inannabelieveWe are taking those building blocks and we are building something. We're building something precious, even a cathedral. Freemasons understood this, whether it was even operative or speculative Freemasonry. They understand the importance of this and the importance of math and action and the creativity that is there. I really do think that creativity is where it all is.
@inannabelieveIt's what it's about. It's what we're here to do. if you're from a biblical perspective you know we're called to be fruitful and multiply it's always about the generative force the creativity so we can create through the arts we can yes we can create through making other humans but even if you are not making humans you're you're making art you're making things you're doing that through uh symbol you know and symbol isn't just visual symbol represents anything that is an abstraction anything that is the
@inannabelieveThank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelieveBut at the same time, it depends on how they're working together. And so, you know, I guess to cite Freemasonry again, they really, they like the symbol of the beehive, we'll say. And it's because it represents industry cooperation and the construction of an ordered society.
@inannabelieveIt has to do with the bee, but then you have this older symbol of the bee called the Melissa from the Greek that is a symbol of the priestess or the soul or spiritual regeneration. And so there's this overlap in esoteric interpretation, even though they come from these distinct historical sources. But there's two ways to look at it then, that the bee, the worker bee, can be part of a hive that creates a buzz of energy.
@inannabelievethat can create something very soul-like, very spiritual and regenerative. Or you can look at it like it's the hive mind, something that puts us in an order society and then limits that creativity, puts it in like almost a pinball game, right? Where you have what looks to be maybe the chaos of the ball bouncing back and forth, but you have the limits of the game itself holding it in.
@inannabelieveSo that ball never does fly off course completely. So I think it really depends.
@inannabelieveBut I think these concepts are things that definitely creative people and philosophers have concerned themselves with. And we do know that people in Germany were definitely creative philosophers.
@nic_moneypennyYes, but there is a complete dichotomy there between conformity and non-conformity, which is where I think the Germans particularly excelled at science by being able to grasp both sides. You have entropy in science where there is... And we're particularly looking at anything that doesn't conform, that is non-linear. I did maths because my father said to me as a girl, girls can't do maths at the age of seven.
@nic_moneypennyI went on to do maths, advanced maths. I did a degree that got me into a school I couldn't afford to go into because I was brilliant at maths. All because my father was a sexist, racist, probably everything else-ist, who didn't believe maths was something that I should do. I am totally with you. Maths is the way forward.
@nic_moneypennyBut it splits the dichotomy between conformity and non-conformity. Non-linear plasma, for example, energy, is non-linear, creative, non-maths. But everything else, I totally agree with you. I love you. It is all about maths.
@inannabelieveIt's all about math and definitely the... treatment of creativity contained in a fundamental like tension like you said it's like it's two it can it can be limiting it can be it can be not but i do think that the i think that it's known that the germans are were really innovative and they saw themselves as truly gifted they treated cultural renewal as central to the their idea of their rebirth and you know the artist's achievements could be presented as a say a
@inannabelieveA manifestation of the people's inherited essence. It was something they felt that would be in their blood. So creativity certainly, I think, carried a strong metaphysical claim about their identity and their destiny. But it does, it can be both. And having that balance, I think, is interesting. And I think that the Germans did find that balance.
@inannabelieveI mean, they were known for that hard work ethic, craftsmanship, that sort of thing, but also I guess creative genius.
@nic_moneypennyThank you so much. I also interviewed the British band Spear of Destiny, Kirk Brandon, the lead singer for the BBC on my first interview I ever did.
Ian MalcolmOh, wow.
@nic_moneypennyThey were awful. He had very blonde hair. He was a bit ugly and he had acne.
@joann_marieThose were amazing questions. Thank you so much. And guys, again, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps so much with the algo. And follow Ian and Dr. Heather and everyone on the panel. And I'm so happy everybody's here. All right. Hubbard, welcome.
@hubbard595628Hey, I just want to say a great guest. Great guest, Ian. It's been a pleasure listening to you. You have such a depth of knowledge and definitely with the art community and all these relics and the history of it all. I have two topics I wanted to bring up just because you touched on. Have you ever heard of the... In the beginning, you were talking about Spielberg and a lot of the ideas that he'd bring up in his movies and...
@hubbard595628uh you're bringing up disclosure and um the different uh kind of plot devices in that movie and i was just curious if you had ever uh seen spielberg's uh earlier alien movie from like 2002 it's a series taken because it goes way into like the hybridization implants and all that and i thought that was basically what disclosure
@hubbard595628A lot of the themes in Disclosure were in that.
@inannabelieveBut I hadn't even really heard of it until recently, quite recently actually, that I've been told multiple times that I should watch it. Recently somebody said that because they were asking about my own personal background and some different things. And they were like, have you ever seen Taken? And I said, no, tell me about it.
@inannabelieveAnd they very much said that I should watch it because there are some things in it that are...
@hubbard595628um parallel to experiences that i've had and things that i've also researched and so uh definitely it's now on my top list i will probably try to watch it i'll find it uh there's a youtube video of it there's youtube of the entire series i think i'll find that and post it in the comments for you oh please thank you yeah yeah and then to wrap it up um uh with these talking about the tablet of destiny the spear of destiny these artifacts and them
@hubbard595628I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but I think that being part of some maybe more advanced or in tuned kind of older bygone age that is kind of an era past. Do you think people, especially a lot of these tech bros like touched on what Moneypenny was saying that are obsessed with creativity and this novel anomalous stuff that they might want to possess these items in order to data mine them or use them as.
@hubbard595628Something for these systems to train up
@inannabelievethat is another part of it is that the search is on more than ever because we actually have a way or at least we think we have new ways to decode what it is we may find using artificial intelligence so I think now it is going to be just rapid fire whatever we can find because yes we can we can scan the artifact we can understand through using artificial intelligence the different
@inannabelieveyou know different aspects of the artifact in terms of dating it differently or you know even using a typology but very advanced in such ways that the human eye couldn't perceive you know so that's one way but then also just the language component of it getting the data getting getting languages that maybe hadn't been deciphered yet like the rongo rongo tablet of easter island which is when i do a case study on in this book but i do think that is uh
@inannabelieveI do think that's part of the more recent push towards finding out some of the clues to where these things could be located. Maybe say like Atlantis or otherwise. But if we can find the things, now there's a new tool that we can use to try to decipher the things and get that data. So I do think it's data mining.
@hubbard595628Yeah, I definitely... And one more thing. I'm so sorry. Just one more thing. A lot of the themes I'm also touching on, I also see are... how people are reflected in archaeology and the connection to the land and i understand the nazis were trying to get that for their own like master race and their own eschatology their own you know spiritual thing and their own propaganda purposes but like i also see it within like regards to west asia and a lot of the communities there and how like groups like isis and al-qaeda and the taliban have
@hubbard595628Did he cut out the ship? Oh, I thought that was just me. No, he did.
@hubbard595628Oh, I didn't cut out.
@joann_marieOh, the last sentence did cut out a little bit, but I think we got the general idea.
@inannabelieveYeah, yeah. No, I think that for sure, I mean, archaeology has always been a very destructive force, and now when you have individuals who are actually purposefully destroying the artifacts and using that I mean it's at the end of the day it's all about control you know the the control of the narrative the control of history it controls our view of who we are and and where we've come from and that is essential and so you know you can aside from a genocide of people you can have cultural genocide where you just take away an entire people's background maybe even replace it with something fake something else so they just don't even know
@inannabelieveyou know what it is that they have a right to what is their destiny and at the end of the day you know we're talking about tablet of destinies and sphere of destiny but the idea of something being a destiny well it seems future focused but it has its footing in the past it has that continuity there's a tradition there and you have to sort of hold on to that and know that otherwise you just don't know your destiny so a lot of people understand the power of the past to inform
@inannabelievenot only the present but of course move us towards that future and what it is that we feel destined to have. What is our birthright? We have no birthrights if we just don't even know. It's not even a question anymore. And so we have to do what we can to preserve at whatever level or even just sound the alarm to make sure that whatever can be done is done to preserve cultural materials for all people because we are one human family.
@inannabelieveWe have one human story. and we need to be able to have as much data point to put together to tell that story as truthfully as possible and all of us reclaim the destiny that is before us. We have to remember. You know, Graham Hancock, he'll often say we're a species with amnesia and I think that's the case, but we're surrounded by reminders and the people don't want us remembering.
@inannabelieveThat was beautiful.
@joann_marieThank you so much, Dr. Heather. And I want to welcome Rob to the co-host position. Hey, Rob, how are you?
@rob_zpeHello, my beautiful friend. Sending my love to everyone here. I'm Ian, and I'm just stoked that I can be here to kind of hear Dr. Heather talk about these things. She speaks so, so well. She just has this kind of grace about her, the way that she kind of just moves through each topic seamlessly and has this kind of like, you know, immense wisdom.
@rob_zpeI'm sorry I came in a bit late, but I'm glad I can go back and listen to everything now. I just posted something in there, just a little parallel between what she was saying with quantum physics. And also just points back to the fact that quantum physics is now just like proving these more esoteric beliefs and religions like Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Buddhism, Hinduism.
@rob_zpeit's just proving all these ancient knowledge that we once knew but have forgotten so just to kind of support what Dr. Heather is saying it's like it's our chance to remember now through this mass awakening and as Graham Hancock said as she just referenced he's a great man but he's talked about the kind of war on consciousness so we just have to reclaim the sovereignty of our minds and regain this ancient you know it's not about AI as an artificial intelligence it's about AI as an ancient intelligence and we just need to reclaim that so
@rob_zpeJust keen to hear what else is being said and just glad to be part of the conversation.
@inannabelieveThat was very well said and I agree. It's artificial intelligence I don't even believe is artificial. I think that it's something that, I mean, art, it's something we've created. It's something that, it's like an artifact, right? But in my latest work, I've kind of tracked artificial intelligence down to... you know the advent of civilization in a way civilization itself is a form of artificial intelligence it's an externalization of the mind and in doing so we're keeping a record you know we're passing tradition on to others and uh so yeah i think it's um i think it's important to use the sciences that we have now to sort of go back and try to figure out um you know our past and
@inannabelieveand not be ashamed of that and I see that yes in quantum physics especially it's been showing a lot of interesting parallels with things especially like gnostic thought you know so quantum entanglement you know all of that there's a philosophical analogy there with the idea of that they're separate beings that can have an origin in a sort of pleroma a more divine fullness I mean
@inannabelieveA lot of different things. There's like the holographic duality. I mean, you just name it. There's so many different things now and more people are awake to it. And I think the internet is a double-edged sword, right? It's filled with like rot and decay and it's like really destroying us in some ways. But for others, we can choose to use it as a tool to learn these different things that maybe we didn't have access to before.
@inannabelieveI think more people are doing that and we're awakening to our true potential.
Ian Malcolmhe he really does uh i initially got connected with him because he's i don't want to say a medical expert but kind of a health and wellness guru and really looks into not just the physicality but also some of the even the mystical side behind what it is exactly that the human body is all about whether it's the energetic fields uh all the way down to the the very demonstrable sciences and so it's it's always really fun to have these kind of discussions with him about what do we do for our body when it goes above and beyond just the
Ian MalcolmThe physically demonstrable, right? And similarly, in this chat with you, we're doing precisely that, Rob, and talking about these artifacts, who's been looking for them. And they're very real, both historical and religious significance. And Dr. Lynn is just absolutely spectacular. So it's been really, really fascinating.
Ian MalcolmI have to ask really quickly, Rob. So I asked Dr. Lynn about a couple artifacts in particular, the Spirit of Destiny, the Holy Grail. The Shroud of Turin. Is there any kind of relic, whether it's religious or historical, that you'd want to ask really quickly with Dr. Lynn about?
@rob_zpeI really love when she talks about the Apkallu. So, you know, and because there's just so much that I've researched myself, and I think that her bringing that back into the reference, bringing that back into the Zeitgeist and a previous talk on the Apkallu. I think doesn't get enough space and she's talked about it better than anyone else I've ever heard talk about it so in relation to these other artifacts I think that you know when when she talked about the star gates and effectively you know the portals within I think that you know just as many are maybe physical artifacts I think that the more biological artifacts that we have inside of us all
@rob_zpeThank you so much.
@rob_zpeum because i always thought that the uh you know the um holy grail uh it was like a metaphor for kind of like the chalice of life but either way um i don't know like did you have one that was that was would you you would ask her about ian like what did you think would be something that had that that needed to be talked about uh well we had gone through um
Ian Malcolma bunch of them i i wasn't sure if there were any excuse me that were uh they were top of mind for you but um why don't we use that and i think it's a nice segue right because i'm i'm kind of curious if there are other uh individuals with questions about some of these specific pieces or the sphere of destiny um and so knowing that uh we got a lot of different voices up here um what i'll certainly try to do is to uh rotate through some folks
Ian Malcolmand I do want to be respectful of those that were in here from the get go. And so why don't we go? I think Psycho is in here, if I'm not mistaken. JoAnn, please correct me if I'm wrong. Then we'll go down to Rabbi. And what I will do, I see a lot of additional folks that are looking to request to come back up. So what we'll do is we'll kind of go to individuals, then we'll move some people around and just make up some space.
Ian MalcolmSo just know Scott and then also DMer, I guess it's DMerDaddy. We'll make sure to get you guys up here rather quickly, so apologies for the delay. But why don't we go to, like I said, Mr. Psycho, and then we'll go to Rabbi, and then we will check in with Yitz, and we will just have to give Dr. Heather a crash helmet if she's not familiar with Yitz, because he sometimes causes some chaos, but we love it.
Ian MalcolmSo why don't we go to Psycho?
Speaker 2Hey Ian, much appreciated, man.
Speaker 3I was just probably hoping to maybe just hold off just for a little bit. I actually do love the conversation going on right now. I feel like it's a little bit more under my speed to talk about such an intellectual topic. But at the same time, I'm definitely more open, I would say, to the ideas of what I could probably bring up.
Speaker 3But in the meantime, I definitely want to yield my time just for now, but I will definitely possibly go after Yitz's response. Is that all right with you?
Ian MalcolmOh, of course. All right, so we'll brace Dr. Lynn. We'll get her some crash pads for yits, and we'll anticipate that Psycho will utilize his intellectual swords or batons. So why don't we go to Rabbi?
@malleusigThanks. Thanks. Yeah, thank you, Dr. Heather. Really, really happy you're here. Fascinating, fascinating discussion.
@malleusigI wanted to know what you think about this. The way I look at it, the way I look at the life and the death of Jesus is that it was, again, he references it in his ministry. He talks about it being planned, right? Especially when he talks about, you know, didn't you realize that I had plans in case the children of Israel decided not to accept my message?
@malleusigThere are other plans, other people, other sheep that I'm bringing this to, right? And so... When I look at what happened, it does seem to me that there were a number of things put into motion so that the ministry of Jesus the Christ would be meaningful and impactful in the world. There are people that even say that Jesus' life changed the course of planets and heavens.
@malleusigI don't know if I believe that far, but his life was probably one of the most meaningful and impactful lives that ever graced the earth. When I hear about this story about the spirit of destiny, What comes to me is that everything that Jesus did, especially his death, was provided in a way that would give everyone the ability to interpret according to their bent.
@malleusigAnd in this particular bent, the way he spoke in parables, for example, he never came out and he said things, this is the way it is, you have to believe this way. He always left some leeway for free will. And that's because the creator, God the creator, has... the ultimate respect for free will and so why would jesus be any different as far as my understanding goes with his death he left room for the positive interpretation and the negative interpretation just as his ministry for example was was useful to those in power it was made useful to those in power so that it could be adopted as a state religion and find
@malleusigFind a wider propagation because the way to get a cult to turn into a religion is to be adopted by the state. But with his death, most of us, the good people will say, we look at Jesus' death and what do we take? We take out of it compassion, sacrifice, a man who loved everyone so much he gave up literally everything for the rest of us.
@malleusigHe didn't just give up his money, his goods, his clothes, his food. He gave up his life, his very life, so that people who were not yet born when he was alive would have an opportunity to live a better life, to have a better, you know, afterlife, whatever you want to call it, right? And that's what we take out of it. But there's this extra room, there's this extra leeway there for interpretation by evil, by negatives, right?
@malleusigThere's this room there for negative interpretation. and negative interpretation will necessarily coalesce around the ideas of control and power. And for me, this seems natural. It seems like almost poetic that he would leave open this interpretation that in his death, there is an opportunity for negative elites to find the ultimate power.
@malleusigRight. And I guess I'll just leave it there and ask you, what are your feelings on that idea?
@inannabelieveWell, I might be a little controversial, really, if I say it, but I'll probably just say it here. It immediately makes me think of Baphomet, which again, we're talking about Jesus, we're talking about something more beautiful, but I've written extensively on the symbol of Baphomet. and so not necessarily the symbol itself and what it looks like and what it's been used for and like a sigil now and things that are clearly satanically oriented now or even subversive or used to taunt Christianity but it takes me back to thinking about the original illustrators kind of intent for it and that would be Eliphas Levy so the the origin of Baphomet is a
@inannabelieveTemplers and it wasn't necessarily like this goat-headed androgynous human figure it was something else completely and that's a whole nother story but at the end of the day what we end up having in our minds when we think of Baphomet or we see this figure is a result of an illustration from the magician Eliphas Levy who started as a French Catholic priest and he was very devout and his
@inannabelieveidea of making Baphomet this really sinister looking image was to depict this almost like an icon right to look at it like meditative which is really bizarre because it's very ugly does not look like a catholic icon in any way shape or form but what this thing was was supposed to be a depiction of perfect balance and the ultimate expression of God's love and so how is that well because underneath God like all things are possible it's it's
@inannabelieveall things are put together and submissive to God and it has to do with the will because again this was all sort of like magical and its inclinations so like later Crowley takes it up as his moniker and of course we know do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law and so there's this question of will free will being there to interpret this symbol and the symbol again not equating it with christ in any way shape or form but just in a historical idea of what the original creator who was associated with the catholic faith and identified as a christian at one point he looked at this opportunity to show this image of duality and say
@inannabelieveThis ugly image, something that would be probably representing the goat of Mendes and maybe pretty satanic in that sense. It would be redeemed under the ultimate love of God in the end. That it would also bow down to that. That it was all-encompassing. The love of God had to include both light and dark. And that was wisdom.
@inannabelieveThat was Sophia. So there are all these Gnostic underpinnings, etc. But I think that's just to say that in this sense yes you're correct there's there's the story and then there are ways we can interpret that story and a lot of times we'll project right and then and we do a lot of projection so we could choose to see this crucifixion as a the passion it's positive it's something that is suffering but great meaning comes from it and we can choose to say that that was a beneficial or good meaning
@inannabelieveother people have the ability to choose otherwise it's like the Kabbalah it's there's the tree of life and you can you know work up that tree of life or you can choose sort of a you know a different interpretation like maybe a frankest interpretation and work through a tree of death it's like the descending through so i think in all these ways we're given that choice and uh you know that's that's uh i think a very good point that you that you've articulated that um it is
@malleusiga matter of choice but and and from my perspective maybe it's this and this may sound pithy or it may sound even blue but uh that you can't see light without the darkness and so maybe that was what it would take well that's the thing is so my my my understanding is that jesus is you know as being you know whatever your opinions are about him as being identified with god or being but he he would he would be he would do the same thing god would and he would leave basically
@malleusigsomething in his life he would leave it up like this he would leave it up to interpretation so that the the evil people could further damn themselves with the like the chains of sin around their necks right and then the good people would have the choice to to find ways you know to interpret in a way that would bring them bring them up but I thought it was interesting you wrote Baphomet are you familiar with the Mesopotamian analog of Baphomet from the cylinder seals
@inannabelieveNot necessarily. I may be by image, but not by name as being something that is an analog to it.
@malleusigI don't know if there is a name for it, but there is a very common motif. It's one of the most common motifs, actually, in these kind of like Mesopotamian solidus that we find is a seated, looks like meditating man with both these huge horns, like these big deer horns, and a raging erection, right? So you have this very interesting imagery, and it's probably one of the oldest.
@inannabelieveOh, are you thinking of Pazuzu?
@malleusigIs it Pazuzu? Yeah.
@inannabelieveYeah, yeah, because it has the, you know, the as above, so below, the fingers pointing up and then pointing down. And yes, the raging erection part actually jogged my memory.
@joann_marieRight, right, as it does, as it does.
@inannabelieveYes, as it does.
@malleusigSo this is, I always identify, that is like the... Inspiration for Baphomet because the erection is replaced by the caduceus in the the sketch that we have and that for me seems like a very it seems like a very easy way to encode basically a dick right in a way that makes it look respectable and then also encoded further information on for example the the importance of genetics right you know by people that possibly had access to
@inannabelieveinformation on genetics before Watson and Crick figured it out you know um but that's do you see any link because i see a lot of links between those two images uh you know it's funny i'm gonna have to take a picture and post it on x here because i'm actually looking at a painting that an artist sent me it's kind of a curse painting now because i was on a podcast and while i was on the podcast it actually fell off the wall and left two bent nails and right angles
@inannabelievewhich is very unusual and so that actually happened live on a podcast. But it's an image from this painter of Baphomet and Pazuzu together because I wrote a book about Baphomet and I also wrote a book called Evil Archaeology which featured Pazuzu on the cover and discussed a true crime case with a guy who changed his name legally to Pazuzu and I discussed the origin of that.
@inannabelieveparticular Mesopotamian demon or, you know, God. And yeah, and so I'm going to just take a picture and put that on X just so you can see that they are in fact very similar. They sit side by side and they're doing a very similar thing in terms of their representation. But the, yes, aside from the obvious positioning of the arms, kind of inviting a comparison to that hermetic principle, as I said, as above, so below.
@inannabelieveIt's a modern interpretation of that because I don't know that we know for sure why they were doing that in Mesopotamia. But there is that link between them. It's just kind of fuzzy. But Pazuzu is the ancient Mesopotamian wind demon. And that image was used as a protective magical image. And people, especially women, would wear his head as an amulet or actually have the...
@inannabelieveStatue in all its full glory, kind of sitting there, oddly enough, meant for a baby's room. And that was to protect not only the pregnant woman, but also the baby itself. The underlying idea with that was that there's a dangerous supernatural power that comes with Lamashtu. which was Pazuzu's wife. And Lamashtu was supposedly barren.
@inannabelieveLamashtu is associated too with Lilith. So the story sort of feeds into that. But the idea that Lamashtu was jealous, could not have children, and so was responsible for miscarriage and sudden infant death. And so the idea behind having her husband as your amulet was that he would whip the wife into submission. And there's these
@inannabelieveThere's what's called the Mesopotamian Hell Plaque and the Louvre that shows a depiction of, it's kind of funny, it looks like Pazuzu's being like a flasher with a trench coat. And all along that, what he's opening up to show is this panel of the story and it shows him with a whip and he's whipping Lamache too. And so Pazuzu is a very important figure in that culture and eventually was, I guess, came to fame here because it was the demon,
@inannabelievethat was depicted as possessing the main character in The Exorcist as well. And so Pazuzu has quite a fan base and is linked to sort of the satanic practices or occult practices in a lot of ways that now Baphomet has been associated with. So yeah, but I can't find that there are very clear connections between them historically, but the symbolism is just,
@inannabelieveit's stunning it's very yeah very there no i just meant the imagery the imagery itself is is i was shocked how similar the two images are yeah i'm going to take a picture like i said and put that up there because um this is a cursed image that uh yeah it's really bad but it is it shows just exactly how um similar these two are but yeah very similar the thing that goes is the horns if you look at if you look at the the horned man
@malleusigin a lot of different places even in terms of movies and media that is something that's talked about quite a bit and I've noticed it a couple of times once in of all places the movie Roxanne and another in the series Twin Peaks and I can see if I can find the the screen captures where they'll position a certain actor's head in a way that it's directly in front of a mounted deer head so the horns appear to be coming out of the actress head
@malleusigAnd that's supposed to mean something, but I don't know what yet.
@joann_marieDavid Lynch is brilliant. What's that? David Lynch is brilliant.
@malleusigDavid Lynch is amazing.
@inannabelieveYeah, those horns usually indicate wisdom and that sort of thing in a lot of art. Sometimes even Moses is depicted with horns like that.
@malleusigI thought that was a mistranslation.
@inannabelieveI don't know. I think it's maybe with the Moses situation. It could have been something because I don't think the... You said Moses maybe?
@malleusigYeah, they depict Moses with horns in a lot of medieval statues, but what I read was that this is the result of a mistranslation of the Old Testament.
@joann_marieIt meant rays of light or something like that, and they thought that it was horns, so that's why they put horns.
@gilvawangWell, that could have been like a... You see this a lot of times in terms of... Not only drawings and paintings and stuff like that. Sometimes they misconstrue some of that. They do.
@yitzhak32941934A lot of the times. It was an anti-Semitic caricature. Because... It was meant to signify that we all have phones.
Ian MalcolmWait, wait, wait, hang on. Dr. Heather has not put on the crash gear yet.
@inannabelieveI have to put on, what is this, crash gear?
@malleusigJust get ready. I'm going to get ready. Let's put this in a nice way. Let's get ready for the most insightful and intelligent discourse you've ever had on X.
Ian MalcolmAll right, I'm ready for it. Let's go.
@yitzhak32941934All right, so I, so...
@yitzhak32941934The first thing I wanted to say is I wanted everyone to congratulate Sidney Sweeney. He's going to convert, or perhaps already has. And pretty soon we're going to have advertisements of Jewish genes instead of white superiority.
Ian MalcolmIt's out of curiosity. What do you think it is that Sydney Sweeney, who I think most people would say is a Hollywood starlet, what do you think she sees in a 5'11 balding guy with three kids, just out of curiosity?
@yitzhak32941934He's not balding, but they're in love, and that's great. He's definitely balding. There's nothing, well, most men do, that's okay. So the point is...
Ian MalcolmWait, hang on, I just gotta pause. For everybody, this is why Yitz is my favorite Jew on X because even when we have our back and forth, he's like, yeah, I mean, most people do. He acknowledged the truth of the statement. So, Yitz, I do. I sincerely appreciate these things. But, yeah, what do you think she saw in this guy?
Ian MalcolmI mean, he's much older. He's not even really taller than she is. He's kind of frumpy looking. He's got three kids with a different woman. I think she could do better, don't you?
@yitzhak32941934Well, sometimes a lot of a younger woman, like a man who's a bit aged and established and has some wealth. I have not followed the relationship, so I'm not sure. All the ins and outs, and it's not my business to, and neither is it anyone else's.
Ian MalcolmShe's got enough money, don't you think?
@yitzhak32941934Yeah, and she can choose to love whoever she likes. The days of studios telling actors who to date, who to break away with, what to do, Those days died with the death of the studio system when everything broke apart, the antitrust laws, etc. So Hollywood no longer has sway over the lives of actors and celebrities, etc.
@yitzhak32941934But to get to the main point of discussion, I wanted to mention to [guest] here that he is incorrect in all of the statements. He made about Jesus, just like he was incorrect the last time.
@malleusigAll of them. Okay, which one do you want to start with?
@yitzhak32941934The main point of Christianity is conditional love. It is all based on uncondition. If you accept Jesus, then you're good. If you don't, go to hell. That's what the Christian God says. So, can you ever really love someone? What are the two great commandments that Jesus advocated?
@malleusigThe main commandment in the Torah, of course, is about Sabbat and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Ian MalcolmNo, we're talking about Jesus. What about Jesus? What were Jesus' two great commandments?
@yitzhak32941934I believe it's the same, love your neighbor as yourself.
Ian MalcolmThere you go, my friend, that's exactly right. Yep, God above all others and love your neighbor as yourself. There's nothing conditional about that second one, right?
@yitzhak32941934Well, he's taken a mitzvah from the Torah, the central commandment in the Torah, but that's not the core concept behind Christianity. The concept behind it... If you don't believe in him as your Lord and Savior, you're damned eternally.
@malleusigThat's not a Jewish view. Judaism is screw everyone that isn't Jewish? No, no, no. You're literally taking something that is not the core concept and taking it because it was an ancillary effect that came up after Jesus died. And you're saying, oh no, this is actually the core concept. So why can't I do the same with Judaism?
@yitzhak32941934No, no, because, well, here's the thing about Judaism, [guest].
@malleusigBecause it is so tribal.
@yitzhak32941934No, nothing to do with the blood. Everything to do with repentance.
@malleusigHere's the thing about Judaism. No, no, no. You could say blood is kind of like the core of it.
@yitzhak32941934Blood sacrifices. No, no, no, no. This is what the atheist Matt Dillahunty, he incorrectly talks about ritualistic blood magic. And that's not what Judaism is. He misunderstands it. Perhaps someday I'll call on his soul and unpack it and explain it for him. But, you know, the blood sacrifices were for the least form of atonement, for the most weakest of sins, your unintentional sins.
@yitzhak32941934And there are many examples of giving flour, for example, a different grain, for example. You could substitute it with many different things. Not necessarily blood, and it has nothing to do with it. Here's the main thing I want to say, though. Because Judaism is so tribal, it is actually universal. Because we don't say you have to believe in our version, our tradition, our God, you can just be who you are, live the way God made you, and if you're a good person, you're good.
@joann_marieIn the Noahide laws, you literally tell people that they cannot... Have idols and if they do, you're going to chop their head off. And you consider Jesus an idol.
@malleusigHow exactly are you making these counterfactual assertions, Yitz?
@yitzhak32941934That's incorrect. I can explain it. First off, there are no high laws. It's common sense. For example, don't kill, don't steal. And as far as idol worship goes, we have different passages.
@malleusigAnd by the way, Jesus is an idol according to you, fucks.
@yitzhak32941934Nothing ever says that. The Zohar does say, however, that if somebody is worshiping an idol, but they're a good person, leave them alone. Let them worship as they want. No one's head is chopped off.
@joann_marieOh my god, did you seriously cast that so bad?
@yitzhak32941934Like, seriously? Well, thank you, Jesus. This is straight from the Zohar itself.
@rob_zpeHe's like a bad LLM. He is. You literally have... Jewish leaders out there, rabbis, saying that under Noahide laws, you have 6 billion people on this planet that deserve the punishable by death, capital punishment. That's what these Jewish leaders are saying. So for your perspective to come here and try and gaslight us and to put it into some context with the Zohar or the Tanakh or you can go on the Kabbalah, why don't we talk about the Tikam Olam or the Adam Kadmon?
@rob_zpeYou know what I mean? There are so many different sects and so many different parts of your religion which get misinterpreted and then you try and come near and gaslight us but there are jewish groups out there calling for the death of billions of people under this religious context yes that's the reality we're living in uh yes a handful of
@yitzhak32941934Fools and Nobodies who make a collective filo for some.
@rob_zpeThey influence millions of people. Their videos are viewed by hundreds of millions of people. It's not based in reality, my friend. It's not. No, no, no.
@malleusigYou have rabbis saying things like there are six million people, what is it, six billion people that don't deserve to live. All right. These are not name name me. This is name me one of an imam. Let's get in the video against all the unbelievers.
Ian MalcolmSo this is just shared by now discerning who everybody should follow. He makes unbelievable memes. According to the Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a to 57b, and the Ramban, which I love when Yitz talks about the Ramban. It always makes me laugh. A non-Jew who violates any of the seven Noahide laws is liable for execution by decapitation with a sword.
Ian MalcolmIs Grok mistaken, Yitz, or what's going on there?
@yitzhak32941934Yes. Yes, what he was talking about was the ancient pagans of 3,000, 4,000 years ago, ancient stargazers, Jews, even heretics. It has nothing to apply to today. And even if it did, there was no Sanhedrin today to do anything about it.
Ian MalcolmWhen was this debate roughly taking place, given the authoring of the Talmud, and why were they talking about people 4,000 years ago?
@yitzhak32941934Because the Talmud records all kinds of voices and discussions and past events. It discusses all kinds of things. The future, none of this pertains to today. And that you consider. Stop lying, kids. Another quote.
@joann_marieRabbis quote it all the time and say that that's the law. Like, why are you lying? Oh no, that doesn't happen right now. It does! I see it happening.
@yitzhak32941934Wow.
@rob_zpeAnd your eschatology is being used to create World War III. You have to destroy Amalek before your Messiah can return. That's the guise.
Speaker 2Yes. And isn't America Amalek to use it? Isn't America Amalek? Everything is Amalek.
@yitzhak32941934You can go look up the videos. No, no. I'll tell you what Amalek is.
Ian MalcolmHang on, Yitz, I do want to call out, because I know we've got a lot of questions for Dr. Lynn, who's very patiently listened to this with her crash helmet on. So, Yitz, do you have a question for Dr. Lynn, or do you want to debate about Jewish supremacy?
@yitzhak32941934Well, the final point I wanted to make about Amalek is that we're commanded to destroy the memory of Amalek. There was no Amalek today.
@joann_marieYou literally call Amalek to Palestinians and you say that the West is also Amalek. I have so many videos of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders saying, remember who Amalek is and you must destroy them. Like talking about the genocide in Palestine. Stop the gaslighting, seriously.
Speaker 2If you're talking about any prominent rabbi, if you're saying any prominent rabbi from the phrase of the Talmud that Ian ended up saying with Sanhedrin, I'm very sure you're aware of Mr. Rabbi Abe Finkelstein that is basically at the main synagogue in New Jersey, New York. Are you aware of Abe Finkelstein? Yes. Right, so speaking of one of the many rabbis, obviously, who talk about blood libels.
Ian MalcolmWould you say that Rabbi Finkelstein, just to get your confirmation or affirmation, so the rabbi that he is referring to is... Prominent and could be considered a reasonable leader within the Jewish community. I just want to get your affirmation before you go.
@yitzhak32941934Listen, listen, listen. There are many.
Ian MalcolmCan you just say, can you just say yes or no and then you can continue?
@yitzhak32941934I don't agree with everything everyone says. Judaism is flexible like that.
Ian MalcolmYes, yes. But you would agree that he's, yes, hang on. You'd agree that he's a prominent figure in the Jewish community, right?
@yitzhak32941934Yeah.
Ian MalcolmOkay. Okay. So with that, so, so we got, we got a from yes. That's a, that's a yes. So Psycho, with that being affirmed, go ahead.
Speaker 2Yeah, so I think it was probably in the early years of the 2000s, probably around 2005, 2006-ish. Ab Finkelstein, as a matter of fact, was like we talked about, a very prominent rabbi in the Jewish community. Majority, I would say, on the East Coast, I would say, of the hemisphere. Ab Finkelstein goes in very in-depth.
Speaker 2And he's very, what you say, determined to actually tell the truth, which in your Talmud obviously deems that any secrets or any sort of text that is read out by the goyim is supposed to be bred for execution immediately. Because, am I right, where it says, if anyone who is not of Jewish descent or possibly practicing Kabbalic Judaism, is it not true that
Speaker 2In your ways of your religion, which you say is a religion, that you are to execute publicly and humiliatingly any goyim that reads texts of the Talmud without a rabbi's blessing.
@yitzhak32941934No, in fact, the Talmud says that anyone who reads their person of the mitzvot is like a koran gedol, a high priest. That's what it really says. Look, the Talmud is available online. Anyone can read it. There's not mass executions. They're not going on in the streets. We are not jihadists. You have to compare reality with your distorted emotions.
@rob_zpeYou're committing a genocide.
@malleusigYou said before, you can say wipe out, because we're actually saying wipe out the memory of Amalek, but would you be fine if we said the same thing about wiping out the memory of Jews?
@yitzhak32941934Yes, the thing is, Amalek, no one can pinpoint. Nobody even knows the nation.
@joann_marieYour leaders literally say, please, it's all the same, kids.
@malleusigI love how dog whistles don't exist when they're applied to Jews, when Jews use them, right? No, because... It's like, anyone else, anything we say about Jews is a dog whistle. Like, oh, 109, 110, 4, 12...
@malleusigAll these numbers of dog whistles according to the ADL's dictionary, right? But like, Jews? No, no, Jews can't use dog whistles. That's fundamentally impossible. Nothing they say is ever a dog whistle. It's all taken completely literally. Like, come on!
@yitzhak32941934No, no, listen. Who are you going to believe? Someone who's pretending they're a rabbi and they're fake and anti-Semite? or someone like me, who are you going to trust?
@malleusigFor example, if you're going to study computer engineering? That's a pretty slim, dumb question.
Ian MalcolmJoAnn, before we go back to Dr. Lynn here, and I want to make sure that we respect your time.
@yitzhak32941934Are you going to loan from neighbor Joe or the computer engineer?
Ian MalcolmWe are going to put into the purple pill, we're going to put a poll. Which rabbi do you Trustmore, Rabbi [guest], or Rabbi Yitz, and we'll see what the results are. I already got my vote in.
@gilvawangYou didn't even have to put the poll in.
Ian MalcolmAlright, so why don't we, speaking of which, why don't we go to Esther there and see if he has a question for Dr. Heather.
@joann_marieMr.? Who did you say? I'm sorry.
Ian MalcolmIs it Ress? I'm trying to read it backwards. I think it's Mr. I know, it was somebody else before me, it's fine. They can go before me. I think it was money. Oh, it's the Tenth Mountain.
@joann_marieTenth Mountain, yep.
Ian MalcolmOh, mine was about to come up. Hey, thanks for mic-ing in.
@remickroy18723Yeah, I did have a question for Dr. Lynn. I wanted to know if she was aware of the failed blackmail attempt by Jeffrey Epstein to Dr. Eric Ross Weinstein.
Ian MalcolmHe cut out a little bit. Could he ask that again? The blackmail?
@remickroy18723Yeah, so there was a fake blackmail or there was a failed blackmail attempt.
@remickroy18723Dr. Eric Ross Weinstein. He has a PhD in mathematics from Harvard. The blackmail attempt on record was set up by J.P. Morgan and was conducted by Jeffrey Epstein. I was wondering if you were aware of that.
@inannabelieveSo Eric Weinstein is in like Brett's brother? Is that who? Or somebody different?
@remickroy18723I'm not sure if he has a brother, but I... I sent it to you directly. It's an article. I've also put it in the Purple Pill. It's called Satan's Mind Virus. But it seemed something that you had brought up previously that obviously he was interested in, mathematics, gravity. And this is quite a doozy because it explains a lot.
@remickroy18723And the simple fact that the attempted blackmail failed. says even more. And so Dr. Eric Ross Weinstein is on record talking about this. And so I've kind of covered it extensively. I found it very fascinating. I thought it was fascinating that you brought it up. Yeah.
@inannabelieveNo, if it's who I'm thinking, maybe I didn't. So he's the one that the geometric unity theory of everything?
@nic_moneypennySorry, Chris.
@remickroy18723Are you talking about Eric Weinstein?
@inannabelieveDr. Eric Ross Weinstein
@inannabelieveThere's a lot of strange connections there to say the least. And I've seen him on some interviews talk about his relationship with Epstein.
@remickroy18723Well, at some point he stated after he met Jeffrey Epstein that the hairs on his neck stood up. Yeah, he did say that. And so he figured that they were after his geometric unity theory. And so he took a drastic... I just wanted to ask you one more question. How do you feel Michelle Foucault's work impacts what we're seeing today?
@inannabelieveThat's a big one. I'm not a fan of Foucault, so I'll just throw that out there. But he's definitely... I mean, he had some really interesting writing, of course, but I do think that... Gosh, I think that's a big can of worms. I don't know that I even could go into at the moment. I feel like... Postmodernism and and all of the what Foucault and others but Foucault really I don't know I don't know I I think we're living in the fruits of that labor right now a lot of it and um I I just don't think it's good I don't think it's good so um but it depends on you know I don't know what specifically if it's just you know what it has to do perhaps with like um our view of history or our yeah I guess I guess it was probably his involvement in the
@remickroy18723Yeah, I guess to me, if I'm looking at his work and the impact it's had on American society, as far as the occults go, it would probably have to be his involvement in the North American Man-Boy Love Association.
@inannabelieveYes, yes.
@remickroy18723You know, and then obviously his work in Paris and stuff like that. It's kind of what we're seeing with Jeffrey Epstein and this modern day occult that we're looking at.
@inannabelieveOh, for sure. I mean yeah a lot of this will start to go if there are anyone who uh wants to know I mean again that's a huge huge can of worms but I would suggest anybody who wants to know um uh like why there's a whole lot of problems right now I would suggest going and looking at his work um I know that that'll get me in some trouble because so many people he's looked at as this extreme you know uh godfather of a lot of philosophy um but
@inannabelieveHe put a lot of ideas out here that are very controversial to say the least. And he's just, I'm not a fan. But yeah, I think we're living in his world or the world that he thought there should be. And plus his personal background. I mean, we all have things to overcome, right? He hadn't been right for a long time, so I know it's very dismissive, and I'm sure there's plenty of intellectuals out there who are very much going to just go, oh my gosh.
@inannabelieveBut look, people can write very well, and people can articulate ideas very well, although I don't think he did. But people can have these grand ideas that doesn't make them right. And there's some ideas, in my view, and we see this a lot now with a lot of
@inannabelieveAnd so, you know, I wouldn't disagree with Foucault being somebody in an academic setting who's just talking about things, exchanging ideas with colleagues, having peer-reviewed research and whatnot. The problem becomes when these people become, as he did, Superstars and celebrities and their ideas go into praxis on an unsuspecting public.
@inannabelieveAnd we become sort of the lab rats in a huge philosophical, what should be a thought experiment. And I think that it's really bad. It's really bad. I'm highly critical of Foucault and most modernists. But I think that what we're doing is, especially with the sexual component, Foucault, had this assumption that, say, sexual expression would provide an escape from power.
@inannabelieveIt was liberating. And so there's a lot of connections between some of these ideas and what we would call the occult now. And not even the occult from a deep past, but a lot of this, what would be called the second occult revival and things that happened in the 1960s. And so ideas of modern sex magic and... you know the cultures that sort of say demanded liberation um but you know so i think that uh i think it's a lot of excess and i think that there's a should be a difference between thought experiments discussion expanding your mind the chaos of creative thinking and then the praxis as they call it uh that goes out on people and uh you know kind of acts as a social experiment and i i just feel we're living in the the the result of that social experiment we didn't consent to
@yitzhak32941934I have a question for Dr. Lynn.
@remickroy18723Yeah, and just one final thought and I'll land is I've been doing a lot of research on this particular topic. And so I found George Soros' think tank. It's called GFI. It's Governing for Impact. They started promoting Michelle Foucault extensively. And this has led to a pretty remarkable impact. Thank you so much. I'd appreciate that.
@inannabelieveNot surprised in the least. They looked to him for a lot of ideas. His works have, especially when it comes to prison or the idea of prison, insightful behavior.
@yitzhak32941934I have a quick question for Dr. Lynn, if it's okay.
@inannabelieveSure.
@yitzhak32941934Okay, so Dr. Lynn, what do you think of the Swirl of Torin, the famous swirl of Jesus' face? I believe it's in Italy today. What are your thoughts on that?
@inannabelieveOh, that one's such an interesting specimen. And we see almost all the time there's these new studies that come out to try to prove it or another thing that comes out to say that it's real. And it's another case of something I'd really like to believe in. But I'm friends with a gentleman that he was an author, too. And he's out there.
@inannabelieveShout out to Dr. John DeSalvo. He worked on he's a biophysicist. I think he's retired now, though, out of the University of Minnesota. and he worked on the Shroud of Turin, one of the first in the groups, I think in the 1970s, I want to say, who was allowed to take a sample from it and do extensive research on that. So I know for a long time people have been trying to do, say, like a chemical analysis and prove it.
@inannabelieveI will say one of the more interesting, I think, ideas behind it is one of uh that it's an example of early photography and they've been able to kind of use experimental archaeology to show how this could be possible um and by having uh it exposed like a cloth exposed after being um soaked in and
@inannabelieveI personally just would need more evidence for it. But I do think that a very interesting, I guess, piece would be the piece that it was a medieval work that was an early form of experimentation with photography. And so, yeah, that's one that people can Google and look into. It has great documentation. But again, every now and then there are these things.
@inannabelieveAnd I know recently they came out with a... A study that kind of made a claim that the deterioration of the linen sample was actually compatible with the age that they assumed that it could have been made. And so there's so much like around it that I couldn't rule it out. So it's just one of those mysteries to me at the end of the day.
@inannabelieveGreat theory surrounding it. Great science has already been put to it. But again, In these cases, our science is only as good as our tools. And I think until we find more tools, I don't know that we're going to have a closed case on this one.
@yitzhak32941934Yes, thank you. I do agree with you on this, that most likely it is inauthentic because the face depicted is not a Jewish face. It's a medieval European face. And that's all anyone has to know. But of course, you are correct about that. The deterioration of the cloth, etc. Thank you.
@joann_marieAwesome. Thank you so much. All right. Scott, welcome. Go for it.
@scottandrewbThank you, JoAnn. Thank you, Ian. Dr. Lynn, thank you so much for doing these spaces. They're absolutely fascinating, incredible. You weave the woo with the historical and I think you satisfy people who want both. It's incredible.
@scottandrewbSo the last time you were on here, I asked you a question about if money was no object and you had all of the security guarantees you needed to go anywhere in the world to excavate or do an archaeological dig at any site in the world, what would it be? So my question tonight, is along the same lines you you know the location of any artifact or any book or any historical relic in the world and you have 24 hours to spend with it what would it be what's at the top of your list of things um your indiana jones where are you going what are you looking for and what do you want to spend 24 hours with oh that's a good i mean is this artifact something that we know exists or is it still just potentially a fable
@scottandrewbWell, no, you know, you know, it exists and you know where it is. So you can actually go in and study it.
@inannabelieveOkay. Okay. Great question. You bring the great questions. I'll say which artifact, you know what, this is, this isn't that, this is actually, it wouldn't even be that hard to get to. So, but I really want to sit down and take a good look at the anti-catheter mechanism. I, and that's actually. probably quite achievable.
@inannabelieveI think that's a personal one that I would like to actually grab hold of, touch, and take a look at and see how it could have been operated. It's in a total state, but I would like to take a good look at that. I don't know. I think that one would be it. If I had to just pick with 24 hours and having access to it, I think that's one of my favorites.
@inannabelieveuh but in terms of mythic ones or ones we don't know for sure exists that would be my follow-up which what yeah because i just want to say because i kind of touched on it already a little bit so my my enthusiasm for it is already uh there i think that would be uh the tablet of destinies so that one would be the one i mean i'd love to say the holy grail right but i my personal belief is that the holy grail is a more of a mystical um thing it's not necessarily it's a it's it's something
@inannabelieveThank you so much for your time. Thank you.
@scottandrewbThank you, Ian and JoAnn, for facilitating. I hope you do come back, Dr. Lynn, because these are great spaces.
@inannabelieveI appreciate it. Anytime. I love it. I love talking to everybody. It's usually a really great space for people who have the best questions. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. These are very legitimately great questions, all of them. It's very exciting for me, too.
@joann_marieHi, we love having you here, Dr. Heather. You're awesome. Mr., welcome.
@gilvawangI kind of lost my train of thought on the last question. I think I should have went. But, yeah, I appreciate you even for letting me up or whoever it was that let me up. I'm a small content creator doing spaces and stuff like that. But mine is actually for yits. And oh yeah, shout out to you, Psycho. Mine is actually for yits.
@gilvawangYou know, I'm not trying to go book for book and stuff like that. You know, I've read the Old Testament back to, you know, back to front. You know, I've seen all the, you know, crazy stuff that goes on in there. But I mean, just in terms of the Talmud, you know, what do you think about... uh 36 people those uh the torah actually the 36 um offenses including murder kidnapping adultery and such and you know just stuff like that do you think like how do i put it because i would say that the old testament is probably one of the darkest parts of the bible but in turn in terms of the torah you know like what exactly what do you think about that
@yitzhak32941934In terms of offenses that one would commit.
@gilvawangYeah, because there was stuff like stoning, there was stuff like that.
@yitzhak32941934Yes, well, I mean, it's a good question. I'm glad you brought it up. You know, the Torah commands that if a child is rebellious, you would bring them in front of the court and the whole village. Everyone would stone them to death. Well, as it turns out, there's not one example in history, let alone in rabbinic literature, anything, not in Tanakh, what you would call the Old Testament, nowhere do we ever find a child stoned deaf.
@yitzhak32941934It never happened. And the one time the great court, the Sanhedrin, did put someone to death, it was decried as a wicked court. And that was the one time they put someone to death in 70 years. So we see that Judaism put a whole lot of bulwarks against such laws. An eye for an eye, for example, was a metaphor for monetary compensation.
@yitzhak32941934So, you know, when the Torah says that you ought to kill someone here or do something like this, you know, the law in those days were fluid. Just like the code from a rabbi, and there are exact elements. What we can see in Exodus and Deuteronomy, Well, you can compare it to Middle Assyrian law, and it's the exact same thing.
@yitzhak32941934There's so much suggesting that, you know, Moshe Rabbeinu copied the Code of Hammurabi per se, but it was influenced by the surrounding cultures of the ancient New East. And what it did is it always flipped the script. And whereas the Code of Hammurabi, punishments were more harsh, the Torah says you don't have to go that far.
@yitzhak32941934It can be more of a liberal stance. You don't have to stone anyone to death. So when you read such things, they're not meant to be taken literally. But thank you for asking that question.
@gilvawangWell, I was just asking because, you know, stuff like that kind of goes undercover. I'm not here to cause any trouble or anything like that. It's just, you know, stuff like that kind of gets swept under the rug because it actually shows that people have been stoned.
@malleusigIt is very curious how many things that are written down in Mosaic law by a culture that is so focused on following laws to the letter as written, how many of these laws are later claimed not to be taken literally?
@rob_zpeThat's true. I just want to actually just get back to the great doctor here. Thank you for that, Yitzdo, but I think we should move on. Right now, we've actually just got so much happening, you know, in Giza right now on the plateau. Obviously, we have all these new findings now. You know, we're using the kind of synthetic aperture radar and the ground penetrating radar.
@rob_zpeWe're finding the pillars. We're finding the second sphinx. I just wanted to ask the good doctor here. Dr. Lynn, just about her thoughts on the Emerald Tablets of Thoth and maybe her thoughts on Billy Carson. Just for one, myself, I would wish I could have my hands on the Emerald Tablets and be able to translate them. What is your thoughts on the Emerald Tablets and also what's happening with the second Sphinx being found, the fact that these pillars totally restructure our history as a species on this planet?
@rob_zpeand maybe what you may be excited with with some of the findings that are now objectively being found. You know, the Halls of Amenti, which have been foretold, you know, the kind of the libraries under the Sphinx. And I would just love to hear what you maybe think about that.
@yitzhak32941934I'm going to get going now. Thank you for the mic.
@rob_zpeI think it is. Bye bye.
@inannabelieveWell, yeah, I think that we're living in a Thank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelievewe can start to map things out and see and we have see that there are the pyramids and different potential cities and things that we only suspected could have existed now the real problem comes down to when we do find these things and sort of like you know like a reconnaissance and we say oh look there's a there there what can we do um that's where it gets a little diff difficult because so many
@inannabelievePeople are going to be involved in determining whether or not it can be done, whether it be through laws or ethics or... Thank you so much for joining us.
@inannabelieveit actually contains what we're looking for like say a library or whatnot and so that's why I think it's imperative that we have more dialogue around these issues and have more people who are able to do some of these different reconnaissance data collection and be able to present that to more and more people particularly the public so that in some cases the public can put pressure on the officials on the ground to take these things seriously and start
@inannabelieveactively, physically looking. And so I think that's one thing. But yeah, the Hall of Records, that it's possible. I don't think that it's out of the question that there could be something there. But again, I want to see these claims properly tested. We're starting to see that there is a potential for them being there through independent surveys.
@inannabelieveand whatnot, even a few peer-reviewed studies, which again, I've cited that a few times. I think peer review is essential. However, just wanted to put an asterisk on there that our contemporary peer review was sort of invented and controlled by Robert Maxwell in order to create an environment of publish or perish so that academics would spend more time working on maintaining careerism.
@inannabelieveand reinforcing each other's sort of say like a meta analysis rather than contributing with brand new research. And so that is in and of itself a problem, but it's still important that claims are properly tested. And so I think the more people talking about it, the better, and hopefully we can get people to actually go through and maybe put their money where their mouth is and take a look.
@inannabelieveIn terms of the Emerald Tablet, it's definitely a real historical text. There's not an original emerald tablet per se that's been authenticated. But in short, the hermetic text associated with alchemy and the principles commonly kind of summarized as above, so below, like I've mentioned too earlier in the show. That's there and the earliest known versions actually survive in Arabic works that go back to about the 8th to 9th century CE and later then circulated in Latin and it became extraordinarily influential in European alchemy.
@inannabelieveEven Isaac Newton produced a translation which survives among his manuscripts and something a lot of people... Isaac Newton Occult Ventures
@inannabelieveAnd while he did contribute in math and sciences, of course, the majority of his works are mostly alchemical. And so he also is a bit mystical in his ideas of Christianity. He was doing a lot of work trying to calculate the end time. I think his calculation got close to, I think, the year 2060, I want to say. So just around the corner.
@inannabelieveIt's a lot of his work was in trying to work through alchemy in particular and his esoteric library I believe was purchased at auction by the author Dan Brown and then donated to the University of Amsterdam, which for anybody interested in anything about Western esotericism or the occult, the University of Amsterdam is the most legitimate place for that.
@inannabelieveAnd so, but all of his manuscripts kind of went there, but he did a lot of work on alchemy, prophecy and ancient wisdom. But he thought the apocalypse would be in 2060. So for what that's worth, so we'll see.
@malleusigYou also spent a lot of time trying to find a coded message in the Torah.
Ian MalcolmYes, yes, we did.
@malleusigA lot of people don't know this, but if you go and you read the first lines of the Torah, if you take, I think it's every fifth letter, it spells Torah. You take the fifth letter, it just spells Torah over and over again. I don't know how many times. And because people notice this... During those Middle Ages, there was this huge interest in trying to decode the Hebrew Bible, like the Hebrew Torah.
@malleusigAnd he spent a lot of time trying to figure out what that code was.
@inannabelieveOh, yeah. Yeah, definitely that. He was very much into Bible code. And he was also very interested in Solomon's Temple. He studied its dimensions and religious practices. And he thought that the... Scripture sort of contained more than just a meaningful account of the history, but also, like you said, the code. And that's where he got his interest in that 2060 date for the end time, so to speak.
@inannabelieveBut he was deeply unorthodox, too. He actually rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, which was... very uh controversial for the time and would be controversial now even but especially then when he was working uh but he he thought it represented a corruption of early christianity he kept a lot of that secret and so um he was into a lot of things like that but uh in addition to being like the father of modern science he was also then later called um uh the last of the magicians and so i really like that but he was both a scientist and a magician
@malleusigWas he the last? So was he before or after John Dee?
@joann_marieAfter, no? Yeah.
@malleusigHe was after John Dee?
@joann_marieYeah.
@malleusigOkay, then that would be accurate then. Sorry, go ahead. For some reason I thought John Dee was afternoon. Go ahead. Sorry.
@joann_marieLet me check the dates, but I'm pretty sure Newton is newer. I mean, newer, yeah.
@inannabelieveyeah I think um and also and um the the idea of the magician too I don't I don't know that he was considered like an actual like I don't think that he was considering himself an actual magician I think that was just a moniker that was attributed to him but yeah um yeah so Newton's pretty interesting I love John Dee though in those works so those are fascinating um the Enochian magic
@inannabelieveOh, you know, it's funny. I'll have to give another shout out to my old friend, John DeSalvo, who did that work on The Shroud of Turin because that was right up his alley. He's written a lot of books on Enochian magic and John Dee. That was the thing he spent a lot of time on. So he had a dual interest in The Shroud of Turin and John Dee.
@inannabelieveSo shout out to John. He was a great, great, great guy. Great friend. Recommend his books.
@joann_marieJohn D. is from the 1500s. It's 1527 to December 1608. And Newton is from 1642 to 1640. No, wait, hold on. To 1727. There you go. Looks like it was wrong. Thanks a lot, John. All right.
@joann_marieAwesome questions, I'm learning so much. Okay, Andy, go for it.
@froemelandyYeah, so going back to the whole Spear of Destiny thing, I mean, this piqued my interest because there's this TV show I watched, DC Legends of Tomorrow, where literally the entire plot of Season 2 was around this supervillain team trying to get the Spear of Destiny to rewrite reality while the heroes were trying to stop them, and then...
@froemelandyThis whole Spear of Destiny thing in the show was it was used to kill Christ. And then the only thing that could destroy the spear is Christ's blood. And it was like this whole convoluted time travel plot. And then eventually the villains got it and rewrote reality. And I mean, so, yeah, I mean, obviously of Hollywood putting it in TV shows.
@froemelandyBut I mean, yeah, it's just yeah, they literally made an entire television TV show season like 16 episodes based around it. and so I've DC Legends of Tomorrow so I found that fascinating and then they basically so I just yeah I found that really fascinating and then they had the villains rewrite reality and they did even kind of tie it to the Nazis because they had like one of the characters and like one of the episodes even working with the Nazis to try to find it so they even threw that plot line in to make to add in oh yeah the Nazis are the bad guys obviously of course
@inannabelievethey had to throw that in there wow that's um yeah it's it's like uh Joseph Campbell you know uh famously discussed um the hero with a thousand faces it's like a lot of times these stories these these ideas they get told over and over and over again and just with different you know different different masks so I'm not surprised it's a you know especially with uh superhero things and franchises they're definitely
@froemelandymining the past for for content but it's interesting that those things are uh that influential that they still capture the imagination yeah exactly but you have time traveling speedsters and exactly but then they had time traveling speedsters and sci-fi but yeah exactly like obviously the weapon that was used to Kill Christ and stuff like yeah that obviously is going to capture the imagination since it's such a historical artifact.
@inannabelieveAnd I wonder sometimes too are they maybe not in this particular case but I have seen a lot of times what they're doing like with remaking stories from the past or myths or things that are culturally relevant sometimes they remake them in such a way where they get all the details somewhat correct but they change a lot of other things that are
@inannabelievemaybe seemingly small or whatever but they drastically change maybe your view of the character or something to that effect and sometimes I wonder if that's by design to get us to maybe reject some of the western canon or some things that we thought were the basis for our hero tales and then maybe now they're I mean using some different uh sorcery to try to make it
@inannabelieveMaybe not part of the Western canon anymore. I don't know. Maybe a little conspiracy theory.
@malleusigNot only is that true, but that's how you write history in slow motion.
@inannabelieveYes.
@malleusigYou rewrite one little piece at a time, and then after 15 of those rewrites over a couple hundred years, you've changed it completely.
@inannabelieveYes, the power of incrementalism. And I think we're watching a lot of money and effort go into doing just that with a lot of the remakes and revisions and... and all of that when it comes to the arts people are you know remaking films they don't need to remake they're not waiting long to do it they're turning you know adaptations of books into films or changing them ever so slightly and confusing a lot of people so yeah time to go back to the source material always remember that too when studying history that's something that the Romans gave us which was try to get as close to the source as possible primary source documents secondary but
@inannabelievePurser Resources are definitely where we start to get into trouble.
@joann_marieAmazing. Thank you so much. DMerDaddy, welcome. I heard you had a really good space with Dr. Heather up here.
@ulrichneujahrOh, my goodness, you guys. JoAnn, Rob, Ian, Malcolm, thank you so much for giving me a mic. Heather, it's great seeing you in spaces.
@inannabelieveIt's good to be here. I got some of your diapers on. I wasn't sure how long tonight would be, so I made sure I got some of those humor diapers.
@ulrichneujahrThat requires a little bit of background explanation.
@inannabelieveIt sure does, doesn't it?
@ulrichneujahrI mean, we could just leave it there and let people think weird thoughts.
@joann_marieI want to know.
@ulrichneujahrIan, you're a fantastic space host, by the way. And the spaces I run... normally they tend to run long and so we tend to doom hard we we like like dark controversial topics so we say put your doomer diapers on plug your catheters in because many people don't get a bathroom break right so when when people say when she says i got my doomer diapers i mean she prepared herself for a long space
@ulrichneujahrI sure did.
@joann_marieThat's hilarious.
@ulrichneujahrAnd Dr. Lynn, I think you were doing the literal pee-pee dance. So there's an argument for Doomer diapers here. But thanks for letting me have a mic. And Heather, I wanted to ask you, and forgive me if you already went into it, but it's kind of more like a general crossover question. And it's about the literal function of blood, the operant function of blood.
@ulrichneujahrThere's a huge implication here of some sort of lush farming going on if we're talking about sacrifice and suffering. But I was watching this YouTube documentary. It was talking about the Assyrians and the Akkadians. And it seems like whenever you start on anything that has to do with the dawn of civilization or the alleged first civilization, immediately there's sacrifices and there's divination involved.
@ulrichneujahrAnd the divining organs seem to be the ones that are most infused with blood like the liver. And when you bleed into, pun intended, from the Assyrians, the Akkadians, the Sumerians into the Judaic traditions, it seems like there is a bleed over literally of the functionality of blood as it relates to warding off demons.
@ulrichneujahrAnd I wanted to get like, how do you make sense of the fact that we had some blood ritualistic sacrifices when it came to the netherworld gods, where people were literally lowering buckets of blood into caverns, into canyons with ropes. And the Judaic God like Yahweh, where it seems like circumcisions were required, for instance, to ward off Moses from being killed by Yahweh.
@ulrichneujahrHow do you make sense of the whole, What is the physical blood connection beyond just the obvious sacrifice, suffering in loose form and feeding blood to the demons? Is there is there anything? Have you made any connections? Because I'm pretty confused by this whole the blood thing in general.
@inannabelieveThat is a great question. And it is confusing. And I think it's confusing to our contemporary brains because we don't live. Most of us, I would suggest, don't live in this sort of
@inannabelieveYou know, the grocery story, we're so divorced from the idea that it was actual animals somewhere. And then even still, we're divorced from the idea where that animal may have been. We might think it's old McDonald had a farm, nice green rolling pastures, but it could have been a CAFO, which looks like hell on earth. So, I mean, there's so much here that our contemporary minds just have trouble grasping.
@inannabelieveAnd I think that's where this blood situation comes into play. Because when you look at the ancient world, blood was just such an important thing. Thank you for joining us.
@inannabelieveLightness and the darkness, and that's used to first create a dichotomy, some sort of point of comparison, one or the other. So there's a logic there. Then you enter the third, and it has to be something that compares to the light or the dark, but the third then usually is red. I mean, this is very consistent across languages and cultures and time, and it's red because of the importancy and the immediacy of seeing blood.
@inannabelieveSo blood is just, it means life, it means death, it means everything. And so even from the most basic cognitive function, we're sort of inclined to see blood and to see red as something that is essential to take notice. I mean, so much so that it's known there's many people who get what's called vasovagal syncope, which is where people will faint at the sight of blood.
@inannabelieveSo it can have a very, you know a subconscious kind of effect on us blood is so powerful yeah it's the Michael Crichton right it's the reason why he couldn't become a doctor because of the the sight of blood okay yeah so that's that's there and it's very um fundamental before we even start putting on the symbols and abstraction and theologies uh so blood right there is is very important um from the get-go um but i mean it it's um
@inannabelieveThere are these different examples and it is really hard to try to find the unifying theme of it all. But I think you have to try to make it as simple as possible. It does come down to both life and death or the concept of life and death. But people then understand like bloodlines. They understand inheritance. They understand that somehow there's this inheritance almost written in your flesh.
@inannabelievePeople share blood. So I have written about it on my substack a lot. There's ideas of the, say, the earliest sacrifices. And I don't think that's what you're asking specifically, but I think it is important too.
@ulrichneujahrAnd I guess one thing, Heather, and I gave you like a broad, messy question, but one thing I'm asking is there seems to be like a literal feeding of the earth of blood. Do you think there were actual beings? Okay, so that is interesting because the idea of the blood having to go back to the earth, you can see that even in the practices of pouring libations.
@inannabelieveThis idea of feeding that blood back to the earth as a sacrificial offering as food. Aside from the spiritual sort of metaphysical, maybe loose component, is there actually something to the idea that there are entities within the earth that are taking that blood? I mean, Herodotus described... Scythian ideas involving blood of the like people who are cursed that would go into the ground in religious ritual frameworks and so this is something that you see a lot even now I think I wrote a little about it recently with the idea of menstrual blood being associated with reproductive healing but also going back into the ground to feed plants and to feed things but whether or not I mean I have heard some of these things about say the the
@inannabelieveCouncil of Nine or I mean there's many different ways to look at it. I don't know I have not seen anything compelling like that I could actually measure and show that would say yes indeed there are entities that we can see that actually feed off the literal blood. I will say from an occult point of view there are frameworks that suggest that there are discarnate entities
@inannabelievethat somehow come and fade in and out of their carnation, that they would be considered semi-biological and that at some certain points they would need to manifest in such a way and having actual physical contact or consumption of blood could help make that happen. And so, I'm hesitant to say yes to that because I am a person that wants to make sure that anything that I can be definitive about, I can at least point to an artifact
@inannabelieveor an article or something to that effect. So for that, I would say no, there's no evidence for that whatsoever. But when it comes to the ideas and the frameworks, the claims, it is something that we see over and over again that aside from the metaphysical aspect of it, there would seem to be this common idea that within the earth itself, that there's something within almost like,
@inannabelieveA hollow earth type idea, or something cavernous, or something where the blood has to go within the minerals within the earth itself, not even in the ocean. Most of the time it shows that the blood has to go into the ground, and it goes into the ground to feed those subterranean creatures, whatever they may be.
@ulrichneujahrYeah, and Heather, thank you so much. The reason why I asked is because the Bible has several references to Thank you for joining us.
@ulrichneujahrThank you so much.
@inannabelievethe serpent being forced to eat the dust of the earth you know this sort of thing that we are dust from dust we will return this almost a gnostic view of the prison planet that we may be on and the entities that are here just constantly consuming and so and I have a couple other things there that I've been investigating to that to identify these entities in particular we'll just leave it at that but I don't have enough yet to
@inannabelieveI'm definitely looking for information on that that could paint a better picture as to whether or not these are possible flesh and blood or at least at times flesh and blood entities that do just that. So thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And feel free to blow up my DMs with that. I really would like that.
@ulrichneujahrIan, Rob, JoAnn, thanks so much for giving me a mic. Thank you, Heather. I'm interested in the alien UFO topic. I'm a crazy UFO nut. And of course, There is talk of the Grays sweating, excreting, and consuming. And there are even abductees who talk of seeing Grays bobbing up in like a pool or vat of blood. So I'm trying to make connections here.
@inannabelieveI'm with you there. Let's work on that together because I have some things I'd like to ask you later about that specifically. Some names of... If we can, yeah, let's get together. I'd like to share notes on that because... You're putting together some pieces for me, filling in some gaps that I would like to explore further.
@inannabelieveThanks, you guys.
@joann_marieLet me know when this happens so that I can be there.
@ulrichneujahrIt'll be a blood party for sure.
@scottandrewbJoAnn, do you mind if I jump in real quick just on that topic?
@joann_marieYeah, go for it, Scott.
@scottandrewbI'll be real quick. A number of states have...
@scottandrewbhave contracts with companies that will do water cremations where it's like an ethical cremation technique that, you know, dissolves human remains and then uses the solution. And I'm not going to say Soylent Green because it's not Soylent Green, but uses it as fertilizer and spreads it back and forth.
@inannabelieveYeah, yeah, yeah. That's a whole, I've seen that. Yeah.
@scottandrewbYeah. And it's, There was legislation passed in Texas, I want to say last year, where it didn't pass where it said the wording was something along the lines of, you know, there's no human DNA in any of the food that you eat or something along those lines. And it didn't pass because they could not, you know, definitively say that there wasn't.
@scottandrewbSo just along those lines about feeding the earth, you know, there are services now that are being, you know, Marketed as being ethical and sort of alternative methods of disposing of bodies that are actually just replenishing the earth with dissolved human bodies. And I'm starting to get dark here, but to get to the whole feeding the earth and replenishing the earth, it's already happening.
@inannabelieveSure, that's very true. Wow, yeah, that's fascinating. Well, I'm very excited because this evening I've come away with so many great resources. I've already been sent a lot of great articles and things to explore. Very fruitful. I'm very excited. I come away from these just with so many more questions and excited to learn about new things.
@inannabelieveLike I said, your callers are just extraordinary.
@joann_marieHi, sorry, go for it again.
Ian MalcolmYeah, no, I was just going to say we are, you know, Dr. Lynn, it really is wild because I think the thing that makes a lot of these spaces so both fascinating and rewarding is the fact that all the different angles that we end up going into, we just really do have this plethora of individuals that have expertise all over the map, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd the universal theme is just trying to get to the bottom of what is so much deception. and many more. Thank you.
Ian MalcolmYes, sorry.
Speaker 4I wasn't expecting that my turn will come, so I'm going to be brief. The topic of the space is about the Nazis and the Spear of Destiny. I'm not sure that the question has been asked by anybody, but they spent a lot of money to find a place called Agartha. And I was curious, did they find it or something that looks like it or they never found something like that?
@inannabelieveI don't think they actually found it. found Agartha. So, I mean, there's that. Whether or not... Yeah, I think that's why it remains, you know, part of the lore and the... And whether or not there was... Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, pardon, pardon me, ma'am.
Ian MalcolmWhoa, this will be a good one, Heather. Oh no, I dropped you!
@joann_marieNo! I know! I think you will come up again.
@malleusigHe's not real. That is too much of a G'd accent.
@joann_marieWasn't Agartha inside Hollow Earth?
@inannabelieveWell, I mean, that is a question, too. I mean, it's often thought of as in more like Central Asia or the Himalayas, where a lot of interesting things are that are associated with Western esotericism. But yeah, it's probably referencing more of that subterranean civilization. and now I worry too well if it is that subterranean civilization um are it are the inhabitants of that the ones seeking the blood I don't know no there's something else yeah yeah so no I I don't I don't think that uh they've definitely like they found it but um
@inannabelieveI don't know. I feel like when it comes to me personally, when it comes to that, I think it's another one of these things, like many of these things are that the Nazis were actually looking for something that might have been a physical location or a physical artifact at one point, but have since has since turned into something different, maybe something more.
@inannabelievespiritual um and i just think of the work of like renee going on talking about like the king of the world and he kind of treated it like a um hidden center of spiritual authority um again sort of like that holy grail where maybe it was a a a bowl at the time but maybe later what happens is it turns into uh something more symbolic or something to that effect i'm wondering since you mentioned going on if it's okay because uh and earlier was mentioned how
@benbarbasyou know we take these stories and then they slowly you know change details over time until you arrive to something different and you're here talking about uh you know this quote unquote spirit of destiny so then as far as uh this convert using that language what's being talked about here is the christian reinterpretation of these symbols right which are coming from the early grail you know sagas are third arthurian legends which if you look at the
Speaker 5You're talking about Temple OS. You're talking about Temple OS. Oh, stop.
@joann_marieWe'll go to you in a second and then you can tell us your Hindu stuff.
@benbarbasWell, if you go to the Grail, like the earlier it's talking about, the Grail is a stone which turns into a stone that falls from... Lucifer's Crown
@benbarbasAnd you have this sword of Noada, right? You have this cauldron and another stone. These are artifacts of the two at the down end, right? So I'm wondering if this was discussed at the level of the Christian, you know, reinterpretation that comes way, way, way, way, you know, these are many iterations later. And this ties into that universal world ruler, as you mentioned with Gwinnon, which that's what Arthur is supposed to be, right?
@benbarbashe's supposed to be this universal world leader the ruler you know it's this myth that exists across the indo-european sphere uh you know chakravartin is the word in the east uh and so i'm i'm wondering i'm just curious you know did you get uh is this as i just joined was any of these like earlier iterations where this stuff is being pulled from discussed during the course of this conversation
@inannabelieveNo, I don't think that going as far back as that has been addressed necessarily. I think we just started with when it comes to something like the Spear of Destiny, where that could have come from in terms of its association with, say, Jesus and how it's referenced in John going up to the 8th century. the lance that it was associated with then and um so i i yeah but you're making fantastic points too about these um objects that can be traced all the way back much further and and yeah many of these sacred objects they do have that in common that they are um often celtic in origin or um even a little further back
@inannabelieveIt depends on how far back you take it, because some people have equated the Teutothedannan with the Anunnaki and that sort of thing. And that may be far out for some people, but I don't know that I would say that it is. I think that a lot of this could be a conflation of oral tradition or some sort of maybe like a perennialism that maybe just gets named differently.
@inannabelieveSo in some ways it could be even older than that. But yeah, it does seem that the evidence shows that particularly the symbolism of, say, the grail or, you know, the things related to it, it does go back to that time and in particular in that region as well. So, yeah, but no, we didn't really, I think, discuss it earlier at all.
@inannabelieveYeah, I think that's what makes some of these special, is they're tightly associated with Grail symbolism. And some people have thought that maybe the Tooth of the Danon were the inhabitants of Agartha. But, I mean, who's to say, right? But no, it does have a lot to do with that earlier tradition.
@rob_zpeThose were some amazing questions. Maybe in the future, Dr. Heather, you could look at possibly doing a space on the Celtic. I'd love to. Just because it doesn't get talked about as much and it has so much in the basis of what we believe and also Christianity. So I think that you'd be the perfect person for spearheading that, mind the pun there, over this topic, which is suppressed and all these kind of analogs have been drawn from.
@rob_zpebut so conflated that we no longer see the direct connections.
@inannabelieveI agree with that completely. I would love to do that too. I think it is a neglected area and it's crazy because there's so much rich history there and a lot of, I think, answers when you look at that. And I think even when you connect it to the ideas of, say, the Anunnaki, which sometimes people think that it just doesn't mesh well, but I really enjoy...
@inannabelieveand highly recommend the work of the late Edmund Merridge. He was a good friend of mine and he had what was called the Golden Age Project. And he, I believe that project is still... It is a part of the Patrick Foundation. You're going to find if you're interested in that sort of history, you're going to find a lot of great information there.
@inannabelieveAnd it is the culmination of work that he put together, too, with his friends, the O'Briens. And they were wow. They were they were great, great, great researchers on the ground, did investigations into Mesopotamian History. And their view of the Anunnaki and the story inspired a lot of the work that I do and can't recommend that work enough.
@inannabelieveSo definitely if you're interested in the convergence, if you will, or the relationship between the beginnings of civilization, Mesopotamia, particularly the Garden of Eden and that story, and Celtic mythology, definitely visit thegoldenageproject.org. So yeah, shout out to them. Again, they're both, they're all gone. Unfortunately, Edmund was a good friend and they have some really great research there that I think you'd appreciate involving Atlantis, involving the Celtic history and the Golden Age.
@joann_marieThat's so interesting. I don't know anything about Celtics, nothing. So this would be such an amazing space. I hope we do it.
@benbarbasIf somebody's interested, just to plug a book that goes into this subject about the Celtic origins of the Grail Saga, Julius Evola wrote a book, The Mystery of the Grail, Initiation to Magic. I mean, you mentioned these perennialists. A lot of these perennialists, they do get some things wrong. I think it's a part of their zeitgeist, especially when they're talking about Eastern Hindu things.
@benbarbasBut generally, there's a...
@benbarbasThere's like a good sort of comparative mythology going on there.
Ian MalcolmYes, yes, I would agree with that.
@inannabelieveDefinitely. It's like I recommend Nietzsche all the time. And Nietzsche is, you know, there's a lot of things he, let's say, got wrong in my view. But it's not always about reading these classics in the sense of what's right or wrong, but understanding the greater picture and, you know, using it for your research and data, too.
@inannabelieveSo definitely recommend Evola, especially if you're reading Ganon. They go hand in hand, I think, in a lot of ways.
@joann_marieAll right. Amazing. And I don't see any hands, but this has been such an amazing space. Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Heather. It was awesome.
@nulth3nJoAnn, can I ask a question? I've been up here a while.
@joann_marieOh, yeah. I didn't see your hand. I'm sorry. Go for it. No problem. I don't know. Go for it. It's Kyle.
@nulth3nYou can call me Kyle.
@joann_marieOkay.
@nulth3nHeather, the Nazi expeditions are very interesting. there's not there's not a lot out there on them a while back a friend of mine sent me some documents and they were he's big into russian you know the old russian ufo stuff or whatever but these these were these were um studies that were done by the kgb in 1983 where they requisitioned uh on an urba almanacs that were seized after world war ii
@nulth3nand at first I thought the I thought these documents just had to be fake but they have stamps impressions ink impressions and after researching them I'm pretty confident they're legitimate but when you read the reports it's like it's like it's almost like science fiction it's like mythology
@nulth3nIt goes into a lot of stuff that Hamrick Himmler and Hitler were interested in, like the evolution of the planet, gods, civilizations, cataclysms, a lot on cataclysms, Planet X, the Hall of Records. It mentions weapons of gods, Hawara, Antarctica, North Pole, Anunnaki. And I ended up, a few people reached out to me wanting them.
@nulth3nOne of them was Scott Walter. He was really interested in them. And a guy named Louis DeCourtier reached out to my friend and I sent them to him. Are you familiar with them? They were called Project Orion.
@inannabelieveI've heard of it. I've heard of it, but I've not seen them. And so maybe I could get on that list too to get some.
@nulth3nI sent you a direct message about something else, a copyright deal where I found your name on the Anthropics list and you got a settlement if you hadn't collected it.
@inannabelieveOh, thank you. Yeah, I know they've done that. Somebody told me that too, that they used my books for training or something. So yeah, I should definitely look into how I can get... Compensation for that.
@nulth3nIt's like a six grand. Oh, is it? There were two on there. I think there were 3,000 apiece. Okay, my question is, within the books, it talks about the development of four different civilizations. And there are references made to the great teachers, children of the flame, gods with Venus, white teachers. Do you see any, are you familiar with any of those?
@nulth3nAnd do you see any parallels with Anunnaki or the Watchers?
@inannabelieveYeah, I mean, some of that does sound very familiar. It's hard to say because it also kind of corresponds and overlaps with other themes as do many of these things. But yeah, and you're saying this was all in, these are all in this Project Orion?
@nulth3nYes, I've read it three times. It's the most fascinating thing I've ever read. oh wow no yeah definitely going to take a look at that that would be great to be able to to compare um because it does have it does sound like there are some similarities okay um do you know if there's any do you know anything about i've been hearing about a lot of interest and stuff going on in hawara archaeological digs do you know anything about it
@inannabelieveYeah, there's definitely activity going on there, but I don't know that there's enough information coming out of it right now because of the situation. But yeah, I know a few people, I think, that are involved in that. If you wanted to, or maybe you already know them, but if you wanted me to Send you their information so they could talk to you about it.
@nulth3nOkay. All right. I appreciate it. Thank you so much, Heather.
@inannabelieveNo, thank you. And I'd love to hear more about that project too. I know the Russians were able to get a lot of information after the war and have those exchanges. And one probably non-sequitur, but there was one report that was a little bit interesting about... a demon skull that they they supposedly found too sometimes called the alien skulls um but it was found in uh russia's you know caucus caucuses so um but it was um yeah it was strange it was like one of these skulls that had what looked like um horns on it just like we were talking about earlier
@inannabelieveIt was pretty crazy. And they identified them as possibly mountain sheep or whatever, but they really didn't look like it. The jury was still out. So, I don't know. There's a really interesting story there that that was something that they had recovered. And I think it's available at a museum right now. I'd have to check that or maybe google it but last I saw they were able to be seen and along with a trove of Anunurba documents and a briefcase even or something like that but they were trying to retrieve these so-called demon skulls that were looked as alien very strange
@nulth3nHave you studied a lot?
@joann_marieI'm looking at the pictures and they look insane, guys. I'm going to post them in the purple pill. I didn't know this was a thing. Yeah.
@nulth3nAll right. I appreciate it. I don't want to take up too much of your time. Thank you, Ian and JoAnn.
@nulth3nThank you, Heather.
@inannabelieveThank you so much. I appreciate it. Definitely. It's a great lead. I really want to look into the connections there with that material. It's amazing. No problem.
@joann_marieIs that the ones that you're talking about? I posted them in the Jumbotron.
@inannabelieveLet me see if I can access that. How do we get to that?
@joann_marieUp here in the space window, right under the title.
@inannabelieveI'm getting quite sleepy so I'm having trouble navigating it's okay let me see the um oh in the pill I see I see I think I'm seeing here hold on let me um oh no I'm not seeing it's in the in oh there it is there it is yes yes indeed that's insane I'm gonna look into it sort of museum there you can see they have a um it looks like they're on display yeah the story behind them those is interesting too because they were
@inannabelieveWhat are they supposed to... What can they be if they don't look like anything? They look like demons, but what else could they be?
@inannabelieveSome people were saying, oh, maybe aliens, right? But they do look very demonic, don't they? Yeah, yeah. And they've had some people try to take a look at them because they thought perhaps they would be mountain sheep, maybe goats. But the eye sockets were a problem with that. They thought maybe these weren't eye sockets.
@inannabelieveMaybe that's where the horns were, but there's no... I mean there would be no eye sockets then so there's been a lot of attempts to debunk it um to try to figure out what it is and uh yeah not sure where it's at now I mean that was I think the last time they tried to debunk it was maybe like 2017 I want to say something like that but um yeah so so yeah that's uh they're weird aren't they
@joann_marieThey are so weird. I had no idea they discovered this. Okay.
@inannabelieveIt's just extra cool that it's like sort of associated with that, the Nazi material that was found nearby with it. So like as though they were, as though they had them and something happened and they weren't able to get them where they needed to be. So there's a mystery there too, but yeah.
@joann_marieI know, I'm learning so much. Thank you so much, Dr. Heather. This piece was absolutely awesome. So, yes, would you like to close in remarks and then we can play a song? And I hope we do see you again, maybe with a Celtic one and other crazy stuff. I would love that.
@inannabelieveThe Celtic one would be fantastic. I'd be really up for that because there are a lot of things that, for some reason, the area doesn't get enough attention when it comes to, say, origins of civilization even. or that sort of thing so it's it's quite magical and I think it needs to be told so definitely would be back for that I appreciate you having me on it is really great to speak with everybody like I said I really do mean it everybody who attends these spaces here they're just so interesting and filled with great
@inannabelieveThank you all so much for taking the time.
@inannabelieveto listen and tune in. And yeah, and if you're interested in coming again and meeting me in person and you're in the Austin, Texas area or you'd like to be, remember to come out and see me October 17th. You can come with me and we'll go to a really cool event, spend some time together and tickets are available on my website at thehfiles.com.
Speaker 2God bless you, doctor.
@joann_mariemuch appreciated the austin thing that you're talking about it's also in the jumbotron so guys so check it out and and thank you so much dr heather this was like seriously i'm really really really grateful and ian always amazing thank you so much for hosting this rob thank you also and everybody thank you so much for being here and yeah no i'm really looking forward for the next one and rabbi are you ready for the song or maybe maybe and are you back
@malleusigIan, you back?
@joann_marieI don't know.
Speaker 2Sorry, Ian.
@joann_marieHopefully he is.
Speaker 2Ian? I don't think he's there.
@joann_marieI'm going to message him to see if he's back. But go for it, Rabbi.
@malleusigAll right. Can I play one of Joey's songs?
@joann_marieYes, that would be amazing.
Speaker 6Let's do that.
@malleusigLet's play one of Joey's songs. I will... This one isn't really a song, but... Let's go with the one that started it all. Let's go with this one.
Speaker 1So that you can see the tiny hats destruction of humanity They start the wars, tiny hats They killed our lord, tiny hats They gave us usury, tiny hats
@malleusigWhich I think hasn't happened in you yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 2Hallelujah, Robert. Hallelujah. Absolutely.
Ian MalcolmOne and only Joey Good, who we had the pleasure of hosting earlier this month. He is absolutely incredible. And not too long ago, I had a chat with Rabbi [guest] about the prospect. of short form content that could ultimately come together to tell a story about all of the things that we see around us, all the insanity, the lies, a lot of which we were talking about in this very space, right?
Ian MalcolmWith this idea of kind of hidden history. I really, I sent a note to Joey. I would love to see Rabbi [guest] and Joey Good and some of these other incredibly talented, creative people figure out how to take songs like that and package them into an hour and a half long Theatrical Production of the jq world order because i really i i can see him using his puppets to tell essentially the last hundred years oh please it would be incredible and i just i'm sure everybody has seen uh his his most recent song that came out this week
Ian Malcolmthat goes into World War II history. I really can, I can see them talking about the Federal Reserve and maybe a different song to basically highlight the insanity of each piece of this puzzle that has been the building of this machine we see all around us. But speaking of which, it was unbelievable. Dr. Heather Lynn, you are one of a kind.
Ian MalcolmAnd I think it was Rob who said the way that you weave all of these stories together and that you can, Thank you for joining us.
Ian Malcolmis to touch with Rob. I see he's got his hand up. What we could then do is to maybe go back to Dr. Lynn for some thoughts on the space and any parting remarks. And then we can go to Psycho perhaps for a prayer as we send everybody off. So Rob, you wanna jump in? Please excuse me.
@rob_zpeI love the way that you end things and I don't want to just disrupt that. It's just my phone ran out of battery as these gems were landing in my ears. So please excuse me for that. I just wanted to say, You know, I've just gotten so much excitement from Dr. Lynn. And again, we are in the most exciting time for modern archaeology.
@rob_zpeLike, I can't wait to go back and listen to the start of this space that I missed. I can't wait for this potential new space with Dr. Lynn about the Celtic mythologies and religions and spiritual history. I also can't wait for Dr. Lynn's upcoming book, Codex Machina. So I can't wait to order that and then have that to read.
@rob_zpeand also to go back through a catalogue of books which you can actually have access to right now. So you can go to a sub stack and check that out. Also follow her if you're not. If you aren't, you're an idiot. So realistically, these are the people you want to be following. These are the voices that truly matter. And people out there who have books, get them published.
@rob_zpeYou don't know how much it goes into actually the editing process, distributing, getting them published. These are huge achievements. So this is a great wealth of knowledge to have these people come in and give it to us in a way that's interactive. We can ask. and just, you know, have this awesome conversation and these like meeting of minds.
@rob_zpeAnd again, it's just the most exciting times for modern archaeology. You know, these pillars underneath Giza, you know, it should be the biggest story on the planet, okay? But it's being suppressed constantly. The second Sphinx, you know, just the technologies that made the pyramid of Giza itself, all of the kind of dimensions they encode, you know, and the fact that, you know, these technologies, they don't match up the official narrative.
@rob_zpeThe official narratives are being blown apart. and then these huge structures that go down spiraling cylindrical structures 600 meters like we are now in this kind of birthing of this true gnosis and spiritual knowledge about all of these discoveries which have been suppressed from us for so long and it's people like Dr. Heather that give us this connection the tools to start excavating these things ideologically in our minds but also going in and start doing it actually physically
@rob_zpeand obviously maybe aligning ourselves towards, you know, helping these things get to the mainstream media as they're suppressed so heavily. So I just want to say thank you for her. And as always, JoAnn and Ian, you know, for being the leaders of humanity they are. You know what I mean? Just wanted to send them our love or my love and just wish you all the best.
@inannabelieveThank you so much. I really appreciate the kind words and I take it to heart. I really appreciate it. It really means a lot. Thank you.
Ian Malcolmand Rob. Always such an absolute pleasure to have you up here with us, my friend. I just want to thank everybody, not only, of course, Rob and JoAnn for helping to co-host the space, but of course, to our esteemed guest speaker in our second conversation. And for anybody who has not heard the former, you got to go back.
Ian MalcolmThe Anunnaki space was absolutely incredible. And it really is. It's. It's humbling, Dr. Heather, that we're able to have these conversations with you. Literally one of two of the foremost experts in that other subject on the Anunnaki, literally in the entire world. And to get to go through this subject with you as well today, it's just such an absolute pleasure.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I just want to thank you so sincerely for all of the time to express the excitement for. And I'm glad that... It sounds like we've got that agreed upon this next piece with the Celtic aspect because I would love to do that. I feel like this is like the second date that somebody's out on like, oh, hey, I mean, next week we got this, but then anyway, right?
Ian MalcolmSo we're locking that in. And thank you, Rob, for subtly just throwing that one in there. But in all sincerity, I just want to thank you so, so, so much. It really is so wonderful to get to be able to speak with you.
@inannabelieveYeah, oh, anytime, absolutely. And also to anyone listening, if you have any cool resources or have questions or leads or research leads or anything like that, feel free to DM me. I'm always available on X. That's the only platform I actually use on my own for personal reasons, for fun and for engagement. So definitely just hit me up if you have any more questions after the show.
Ian MalcolmNo, and everybody, Dr. Heather's such an unbelievable mind. It really is just so... Thank you so much.
Ian MalcolmKuhn, the Nazis, and the Antarctic Bases. We also, for what it's worth, I want to call out, and this is at the suggestion of none other than Dan Bilzerian, who I'm very excited, I believe we're going to be having this conversation tomorrow, on, in addition to the space with the National Socialists in Antarctica with Bryce, earlier in the day, we are going to be hosting Dan Bilzerian, Syrian Girl, a number of other
Ian Malcolmand many, many more.
Ian MalcolmWe're Forbidden, who I'm sure everybody has seen. Speaking of the Tiny Hats song that we heard from Joey Goode, We're Forbidden, obviously the mastermind has been doing all of these AI videos with Magatard and all of these other creations that he has. And so I bring these things up, you know, because just a couple of years ago, two, three years ago, we started doing some of these spaces and it was a handful of us talking about a handful of issues that
Ian MalcolmOnly a handful of people wanted to speak about. And so here we are building this growing community of individuals of all different areas of expertise, right? We were just talking about Joey and whether it's Rabbi or where forbidden, all of these experts with their creative minds, those that have absolute just historical excellence as Dr. Heather Lynn does, right?
Ian MalcolmAnd Bryce, who we're gonna be speaking with tomorrow. So many unbelievable individuals. And I say this because All of these conversations, they are nothing without all of you. And by that, I don't just mean our wonderful speakers and in this case, the featured guests like Dr. Heather Lynn, but all of you that listen in, that encourage the conversations that are part of these, that take the things that you learn into your local communities.
Ian MalcolmThat is genuinely how we make a difference, not just for the 500, 600 people that might be listening right now, for the thousands that might listen to the recording, but also to the tens of thousands that we're able to influence as a result of that kind of butterfly effect. So take all of these truths. Go out and talk about these issues.
Ian MalcolmSo use them as an opportunity to learn and in many cases to laugh and sincerely to love. I know that that sounds trite, but I really do. I love everything that we're doing here. I love all of you. I love all of our wonderful guests, Dr. Heather Lynn being absolutely in the upper echelon of all of them because of the two conversations we've had that just been so phenomenal.
Ian MalcolmAnd so I just want to thank absolutely everybody for everything that they do, everything that they are. As I always do, I just want to say God bless and certainly Godspeed. We are going to continue to win. And as a further validation of that and in support of it, I want to just Welcome everybody to the Mr. Incomparable Psycho, who despite the rather scary or alarming user tag, offers wonderful words of wisdom when it comes to some religiosity.
Ian MalcolmAnd so with that, knowing that we talked about the sphere of destiny, why don't we go to Mr. Psycho? Oh, I'm sorry, JoAnn.
@joann_marieYes, and also we are going to have a space with Ruth Taylor right after this space. So I hope to see you all there and I'll post it in the JumboTron and PurplePL. That's it. Sorry, JoAnn.
Ian MalcolmNo, and what a wonderful place. So everybody, as we wrap this up, and I wasn't sure if he had opened yet, but we can recommend everybody go over there. There's nobody better to learn about all these issues from. And what I do, I sincerely love, right, that we usually talk about the past. We talk about the present, usually within the confines of culture and tech and all these things.
Ian MalcolmBut nobody covers the current events and the Middle Eastern conflict better than Truth Teller. So let's go over there. Let's make sure to support all of his work. And with that, let's turn things over again to the scary sounding psycho who always offers some wonderful words of affirmation and a little bit of a loving spin on things.
Speaker 2Well, thank you so much, Ian. The introduction definitely suits the exact name that most people see as well as the tag. But I assure you that I am most definitely with and for all of you. And without a doubt, with a little word of wisdom for me to say is we are the most dangerous people and the most dangerous beings on earth because we are children of God.
Speaker 2For all of the people and all the evil spirits that are roaming right now very actively, they will never penetrate our faith as well as our justice that our Father will do for us. And I also want to say to everyone here who definitely does feel on the brink of confusion or isolation, do not ever feel as if you should be ashamed of who you are, where you come from, your ethnic and background culture.
Speaker 2It is terrible that the tiny hats nowadays try to do a very
Speaker 2I will go ahead and begin with our nightly prayer as well as to the graces for all of you.
Speaker 2Lord God Almighty, your name is Jesus Christ, for you are one anointed, and you have the power and the holy graces of the Holy Trinity from the power of the Son and the Holy Ghost. Father Lord, we want to go ahead and thank you so much for Ian, JoAnn, Rob, as well as Dr. Heather for some of the great words of wisdom and coming together as people of one instead of the disenfranchised people that our enemies wish us to be.
Speaker 2We ask that you definitely put your hand above all those in this space. Touch them with all of your glory. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2Father Lord, I will go ahead and end this prayer by saying, if you may put on the armor of God, as well as the power of the Holy Trinity on every individual here who is either worried, who is either precautious, or either has something that they have on their shoulder, that definitely means you're touching your faith, for you are the only one that can drive us into the direction of holiness, as well as the grace that all of us wish to have on the day of judgment.
Speaker 2Just like in Philippians 4.13, I can do all things through him who strengthens me. So Father Lord, thank you so much for today's space. And please bless all of the future ones we have, especially in the coming present. Priestess Ragnan Das Volt, for your name is God. You are the power. You are the first, the last, and the almighty omega.
Speaker 2I will say amen and good night.