Name: Andrew Wilson Vs Candace Owens
Uploaded: 2026-08-15
Duration: 9 h 13 min 24 s
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0:00quiet, reflectiveThe Gambler: Debate MetaphorIan Malcolm introduces the debate using Kenny Rogers' 'The Gambler' as a metaphor for strategy and integrity.
8:20raw, woundedAndrew Wilson's Debate DemeanorDiscussion arises about Andrew Wilson's perceived insincerity and discomfort during the debate.
16:40grave, forebodingState Narrative vs. TruthThe hosts question the state's narrative regarding Tyler Robinson and the importance of exposing lies.
25:00heated, combativeAndrew Wilson's ReputationPanelists speculate on the long-term impact of the debate on Andrew Wilson's public image and career.
33:20sombre, searchingHumiliation Ritual TheoryThe idea that Andrew Wilson's debate was a 'humiliation ritual' orchestrated by external forces is explored.
41:40grim, scorchedAndrew's Debate PerformanceCritiques of Andrew Wilson's debate tactics, including his reliance on a script and personal attacks.
50:00weathered, resignedCandace Owens' PreparednessCandace Owens' extensive knowledge of the case details and her composed demeanor are highlighted.
58:20hard, unyieldingThe Charges Against TylerThe panel dissects Andrew Wilson's inability to name the charges against Tyler Robinson, exposing his lack of preparation.
1:06:40urgent, incendiaryIsrael's Motive in Kirk's DeathThe discussion shifts to potential Israeli involvement in Charlie Kirk's death and their perceived motives.
1:15:00detached, weighingCharlie Kirk's Shifting ViewsClips of Charlie Kirk criticizing Israel and Jewish influence are played, suggesting a change in his stance.
1:23:20charged, alertAnti-Zionism vs. Anti-SemitismThe panel discusses how the conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism has backfired on Jewish supremacists.
1:31:40warm, expansiveAI and Information ControlThe manipulation of AI algorithms to control narratives and the importance of pushing back with factual information.
1:40:00measured, soberThe Power of Truth and UnityEmphasis on human solidarity and the collective power of individuals to expose lies and seek truth.
1:48:20bleak, drainedAndrew Wilson's Debate StrategyAnalysis of Andrew Wilson's goal to discredit Candace Owens rather than engage in a substantive debate.
1:56:40smouldering, restlessThe 'Sweaty' Debate PerformanceAndrew Wilson's anxious body language and desperate tactics during the debate are discussed.
2:05:00dimmed, waryJewish Supremacy and PowerThe panel delves into the concept of Jewish supremacy and its influence on media, finance, and politics.
2:13:20calm, distantGaza Genocide and Moral CallA heated debate on whether the events in Gaza constitute a genocide and the moral imperative to acknowledge it.
2:21:40cool, analyticalCharlie Kirk's Final DaysThe panel reflects on Charlie Kirk's evolving views and his growing criticism of Israel before his death.
2:30:00dry, matter-of-factThe Tyler Robinson NarrativeThe discussion returns to the inconsistencies in the official narrative surrounding Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk's death.
2:38:20melancholy, tenderAndrew Wilson's MotivationSpeculation on Andrew Wilson's true motivations for debating Candace Owens, including fame and financial gain.
2:46:40tentative, hopefulCandace Owens' Debate VictoryThe consensus among panelists that Candace Owens decisively won the debate against Andrew Wilson.
2:55:00eerie, electricThe Role of Citizen JournalistsThe importance of citizen journalists like Diligent Denizen in uncovering facts and challenging official narratives.
3:03:20quiet, reflectiveThe Impact on TPUSAThe potential negative repercussions for Turning Point USA following Andrew Wilson's performance and association with the organization.
3:11:40conflicted, dividedDebate as a Humiliation RitualFurther exploration of the idea that the debate was designed to humiliate Andrew Wilson and silence dissenting voices.
3:20:00worn, nostalgicThe Truth PrevailsThe unwavering belief that truth, despite attempts to suppress it, ultimately triumphs in public discourse.
3:28:20hard-wonChallenging the Status QuoThe courage required to question established narratives and the power of collective skepticism.
3:36:40disillusionedThe Power of Social MediaHow social media platforms enable the spread of alternative viewpoints and challenge mainstream narratives.
3:45:00guarded, evenThe 'Jewish Question' RevisitedHistorical and philosophical discussions around the 'Jewish Question' and its relevance to contemporary issues.
3:53:20unsettlingThe Dangers of GroupthinkThe risks of echo chambers and the importance of critical thinking in navigating complex information.
4:01:40murky, uneasyThe Future of the MovementOptimistic outlook on the growing awareness and the potential for a 'great awakening' against established powers.
4:10:00quiet, reflectiveThe Role of Individual ActionEmphasis on individual responsibility in seeking truth and contributing to a collective movement for change.
4:18:20raw, woundedThe '10% Rule' of ChangeThe theory that a small percentage of committed individuals can shift public opinion and drive societal change.
4:26:40grave, forebodingDebating Logical FallaciesThe use of logical fallacies in debates as a sign of a weak argument and the importance of objective analysis.
4:35:00heated, combativeThe Closing Statements AnalyzedCritique of Andrew Wilson's closing statement and Candace Owens' composed and gracious demeanor.
4:43:20sombre, searchingLessons Learned from DebateReflections on the debate's broader implications and the lessons learned about truth, integrity, and public discourse.
4:51:40grim, scorchedThe Unstoppable TruthA powerful closing statement on the enduring nature of truth and its ultimate triumph against deception and manipulation.
4:52:44weathered, resignedDebate Contract and EvidenceCandace Owens' contract limited her evidence presentation, sparking debate on fairness.
4:59:23hard, unyieldingIsrael's Motive in Charlie Kirk's DeathSpeakers discuss Israel's potential motive in Charlie Kirk's death, citing circumstantial evidence.
5:07:36urgent, incendiaryAI Manipulation and PropagandaThe panel explores how AI algorithms are manipulated to control narratives, especially regarding Israel.
5:17:25detached, weighingJewish Supremacy and TribalismThe conversation shifts to Jewish supremacy, its influence, and the concept of tribalism.
5:28:09charged, alertCritiquing Jewish SupremacyPanelists discuss the challenge of critiquing Jewish supremacy without being labeled antisemitic.
5:37:45warm, expansiveLeft-Right Divide and UnityThe discussion highlights the need to transcend the left-right political divide for human solidarity.
5:47:38measured, soberAndrew Wilson's Debate PerformancePanelists critique Andrew Wilson's debate tactics and his perceived loss against Candace Owens.
5:58:14bleak, drainedThe Gaza Genocide DebateA heated exchange on whether the events in Gaza constitute a genocide, with a guest initially hesitant to agree.
6:06:42smouldering, restlessAbortion and Moral RelativismThe debate on Gaza leads to a discussion on abortion, highlighting moral relativism and personal responsibility.
6:18:19dimmed, waryJewish Supremacy as the Core ProblemThe panel argues that Jewish supremacy is the fundamental issue underlying many global conflicts and political actions.
6:27:08calm, distantThe Power of Truth and MemesThe discussion emphasizes the power of truth and internet memes in countering propaganda and shifting public opinion.
6:35:43cool, analyticalAndrew Wilson's Debate StrategyPanelists analyze Andrew Wilson's debate strategy, concluding he lacked substantial arguments and relied on fallacies.
6:46:07dry, matter-of-factCharlie Kirk's Changing ViewsThe conversation delves into Charlie Kirk's evolving stance on Israel and his criticism of the October 7th narrative.
6:55:03melancholy, tenderMotivations of CriticsThe panel explores why some influencers criticize Candace Owens and defend the official narrative, questioning their motivations.
7:05:01tentative, hopefulCharlie Kirk Assassination MotiveA detailed argument is presented for Israel's motive in assassinating Charlie Kirk, citing his shift in views.
7:16:29quiet, reflectiveThe Official Narrative's FlawsThe discussion concludes with a comprehensive breakdown of the inconsistencies and flaws in the official narrative surrounding Charlie Kirk's death.
7:17:29broodingJunior's Failed Israel Trip PlanA speaker's plan to feign pro-Israel sentiment for 'intel' is exposed and ridiculed.
7:27:13conflicted, dividedTruth vs. Deception in DebatesThe hosts argue that truth and integrity are paramount, contrasting with those who rely on lies and deception.
7:37:24worn, nostalgicCandace Owens' Debate MasterclassA guest praises Candace Owens' debate strategy against Andrew Wilson, highlighting her tactical approach.
7:45:56hard-wonGaza Genocide and Moral RelativismThe discussion shifts to the Gaza conflict, challenging a speaker's reluctance to label it a genocide.
7:55:55disillusionedThe Truth About LiesSpeakers discuss how repeated lies and inconsistencies erode trust, leading people to question established narratives.
8:03:20guarded, evenDebate Tactics and Logical FallaciesThe hosts and guests analyze the debate, noting Andrew Wilson's reliance on logical fallacies versus Candace Owens' factual approach.
8:16:14unsettlingCharlie Kirk's Assassination TheoriesThe conversation delves into theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death, suggesting Israeli involvement due to his shifting views.
8:30:39murky, uneasyMotivations Behind Narrative ControlSpeakers explore why some individuals defend controversial narratives, linking it to ideology, fear, and power structures.
8:40:24measured, soberThe Power of Truth and Collective ActionThe hosts emphasize the growing influence of truth and collective awareness in challenging established narratives and Jewish supremacy.

The Transcript

A voice is named only when we can verify it — by voiceprint, an @handle present in the room, or the Space’s own title. Anyone we can’t confirm stays “Speaker,” on purpose.

Ian MalcolmI know you're not up here, but I would otherwise ask our obvious question that instead will have to go to Mr. Nietzsche. David, by any chance, can you name that tune and or the artist who created it?

@nietzsche258918Isn't it The Gambler?

Ian MalcolmIt is The Gambler. So kind of a strange choice, I suppose, for the conversation. But I thought it was actually rather fitting in a number of ways, one of which... is personally speaking, and in this, we're going to do a couple things. We're going to discuss the what happened, the how it played out, the pivotal moments perhaps there within, and then also this idea of knowing how to play the game, right?

Ian MalcolmYou got to know when to hold them, when to fold them, when to walk away, know how to run. And this idea that, well, sometimes you might step into a trap with the wrong set of hands. And I think it's an interesting one because If we think about this, there's two things that we can tear apart. The what happened, the what was said, the what was done and the evidence on either side of the debate aisle.

Ian MalcolmObviously, we're going to have to have that conversation. The other piece is going to be how the game was played, right? Hence the gambler. How are you playing? How are you walking into this? Because I think there's a very interesting aspect. And David, I'm very curious for your thoughts on it, which is basically that within either a debate

Ian Malcolmor a game of poker. You basically have the cards that you are dealt. And in this case, those cards were basically on one side of the aisle that Tyler Robinson is the shooter. The state has this right. Any and all objection to that is essentially conspiracy that is silly. And on the other side, you've got our position, which is basically that there's far more to the case.

Ian MalcolmExcuse me. And so those were the cards that the gamblers were walking into this game with. They knew that that was gonna be the case. What they didn't know is essentially the river. They didn't know what their opposition was gonna play, how the conversation was gonna play out, and perhaps what the moderator was gonna ask.

Ian MalcolmBut just like in poker, the other wild card wasn't just the points that were gonna be delivered, the cards, if you will. There's also the way in which you're playing, the way in which you're betting, the way in which you're bluffing, perhaps. And there's a number of moments in this that we're gonna get to. Where there was obviously bluffing being done, but one of the most dangerous pieces of either a game of cards or the game of chance that it is a debate is the possibility that somewhere along the lines of the debate, not only do people question the cards that you have, but they might actually question the integrity of the person that is putting them on the table.

Ian MalcolmAnd once you demonstrate that you are perhaps a bad faith actor, maybe you're a liar, maybe you're taking money from the pot, dealing cards under the table or reaching your hand into the chips and pulling some out unfairly into your back pocket. Any of those situations, the rest of the cards or the points no longer matter.

Ian MalcolmAnd so I'm going to be very curious, David, for your thoughts on, and this is where I think we can make maybe some arguments that I haven't heard in some of the other conversations and breakdowns on this topic. This rather monumental debate, right? Obviously, a lot of people tune into it, which is the way in which these people went about debating in general and kind of the psychology behind it, both of the individuals, what they were trying to accomplish with the tactics they were using, as well as the reception of the audience, right?

Ian MalcolmBecause after all, if... The people are watching the World Series of Poker and halfway through the game, one guy gets up and starts shooting a blowtorch into the air. People are going to start asking questions above and beyond. I wonder if they have pocket aces. And so, David, I thought it'd be an interesting place for us to start.

Ian MalcolmLike I said, there's a number of specifics that I'm going to want to pull out. Here's the way the debate struck me.

@nietzsche258918I want you to picture two people that have engaged in a fishing contest out in the middle of the ocean. And we're supposed to care, irrespective of the fact that there is a giant tsunami rising up behind them both. And that tsunami represents the awareness of Jewish supremacy. And how does your little fishing contest change anything?

@nietzsche258918The idea that, and I do think to some degree, that the people whom we oppose, the matrix that we're waking up from, wants us to personify. They want us to personify in terms of give someone sort of the leadership assignation for all of the rest of us as though, gosh, if I can be tricky with that person in a debate, then it proves this vast Jewish supremacy problem is no longer a problem.

@nietzsche258918It does nothing. Nothing that is happening in the zeitgeist is working for them. Nothing. So I am interested. I mean, I do agree with you. I never would accept the premise that I am only allowed to talk about a certain set of things, by the way, because I would end up talking about why I can't talk about something that is outside of the purview of that thing.

@nietzsche258918This is really sort of the devil's ruse again, right? The devil's ruse that he doesn't exist. Their ruse is that these other topics are not... I don't remember reading in the Constitution anything about the Overton window. I think whatever it is that you think we're not supposed to talk about is probably what we should talk about.

@nietzsche258918What do you think about that? I couldn't agree with you more. And isn't that...

Ian MalcolmThank you so much for watching.

Ian MalcolmWe're going out into the sunshine so that we can illustrate how insane the things that they're arguing about on the walls, the shadows, actually are. And obviously, they wanted to ensure that's not going to happen. They were only going to allow the discourse to stay within the frame of what's happening on the wall, right, with those proverbial shadows, which it is, in and of itself, it should be the thing that, you know, Candace Owens would talk about at the meta level.

Ian Malcolmbecause that illustrates, of course, not only the problem, but also the way in which those that are trying to obfuscate this problem are going about doing so, right? Owning everything, keeping everything within this frame. Really quickly, because she was able to come up, I just wanted to give a big shout out to the co-hostess with the absolute mostest, JoAnn, to check in with you, see how you're doing, and ask, would you have been able to get the song The Gambler by Kenny Rogers?

@joann_marieAnd hey, Ian, thank you so much for hosting and David for co-hosting. I've never heard that song, so I'm really happy David got it. Yeah, no, I had no idea. And yeah, no, I'm just hanging out today. I am a little bit burnt out, but I'm happy to help bringing people up, but I can't socialize today. But thank you so much for having me.

@joann_marieAnd also, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and David and The Cantons floored Andrew. It was beautiful. And isn't it crazy how TPUSA is so desperate that they have to look for Andrew. They have nobody on their side and that's the best they got. So, yeah, no, I only saw...

@joann_marieA lot of clips, but I didn't see the entire of it. But no, I'm happy to be here. So thank you so much for hosting it.

Ian MalcolmNo, of course. And there's a number, like I said, there's a number of elements from it that we will definitely go through. We'll listen to some of the live audio. I also want to welcome anybody and everybody, regardless of your take, your thoughts. I welcome all opinions on how this played out. But before we even get to necessarily any of those perspectives.

Ian MalcolmDavid, did anything, again, this idea of we can debate the cards that they are dealing, but we can also just look at the behavior of the gamblers, if we can stick with that metaphor. Was there anything that you noted or thought that was kind of out of the norm? Again, not in terms of maybe points delivered, but the manner in which either they were presented or the presentation of the people that were presenting them.

@nietzsche258918Well, there is a difference. By the way, I've never ever in my entire life met anybody that described themselves as a good debater that was a good debater or came in to win a debate that was good at debating. It's always so soft-marked to me. What they really are is quibblers, and that's really what distinguished Candace Owens from the other person.

@nietzsche258918Candace Owens has a real point of view. I think when Candace Owens started out and she realized that black people were being played, And she identified with the Thomas Soles and Walter Williams, who were, by the way, brilliant, genius people. She didn't really connect the dots with the ultimate cause. She really saw the symptom and she saw what was being done.

@nietzsche258918But I think she's one of the many, many people that has the capacity over a long stretch of time for pattern recognition. And the people that are trying to debate people like Candace Owens, they're quibblers. Right? They're always trying to dispossess the rest of us of the belief that this person is onto something. And I think that's what we're watching in that debate.

@nietzsche258918What do you think about that, my friend?

Ian MalcolmNo, it's very well stated. And, you know, one of the pieces that, first and foremost, and, you know, some of these, again, will be audio clips, but one of the other ones, just right out of the gate, if we just think of the demeanor of what was taking place, and I find it very curious because a lot of the people pushing back on this suggestion...

Ian MalcolmI note that a lot of their handles kind of mirror the exact presentation of a lot of the Jewish supremacists that just throw around slurs and all those other kind of things in the comment section. What I mean is lots of accounts that did not like the comment that I'm about to make, most of which were made within the last month or two, might have something like 100 total posts, might have five followers if that, right?

Ian MalcolmThey look inauthentic at best. and the comment was basically this idea of the opening statement. And look, I think anybody familiar with, with, with debate, whether they were doing it back in their educational institutions, all the way to this idea, if we can even call it of professional debaters, right? This, this idea of, of having an opening statement that you're going to formally read to the audience.

Ian MalcolmI can appreciate that that is a thing. That can be a tactic, and if you want to deliver a very well thought out, very diligent, to steal the word from Mr. Dennison, you want to do a diligent job of presenting your initial thoughts in one fell swoop, okay, well then maybe you might take the consideration of reading something, right?

Ian MalcolmCertainly a priest going up to give his homily, he might take something to help ensure that he stays on track. But to read something verbatim, and I can appreciate you don't want to, you know, kind of slip over your words. You don't want to leave something out. Again, I get that. But to read something that is completely scripted in a completely monotonous voice, to do so as if this is the formal fashion in which a professional debater is going to introduce their ideas, right?

Ian MalcolmTo do that while you were on a televised or web, you know, web-avised television, I actually think it's the opposite.

Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.

Ian Malcolmis this idea of how people would perceive the thing that they were witnessing, where in my opinion, Candace Owens, who felt very comfortable, or at least that was the impression that I got, right? She discussed these things very conversationally in a way that was clearly informed, but she did so without the need to read something off of an iPhone.

Ian MalcolmAnd conversely, we got from Andrew kind of this How would I even describe it?

@nietzsche258918It's almost- How about a hostage film?

Ian MalcolmThat would be a good- Well, and I'm going to be curious for your thoughts on it because there's a bunch of different ways we could take it. But one of them would be that there was, I don't want to say nothing, but that there was very little that was heartfelt when you read something from your phone, right? It's like the equivalent of the person that goes up at a wedding to give the best man speech or conversely, somebody that might go up at a funeral and they pull out their piece of paper.

Ian MalcolmAnd yes- You can deliver something in a heartfelt fashion from a script. Actors do that all the time, but they are acting, right? It is insincere. If you just believe these things, if you know them and if you have an absolute understanding of the subject matter, you don't need to do that. Folks, people do those at weddings or at funerals.

Ian MalcolmWhy? Because they know they're going to be nervous. Why? Because they're going up to celebrate something that is a big moment for them in front of a big audience. They're not accustomed to doing so. If you are comfortable in this type of scenario, like Candace Owens clearly was, you can sit back calmly and say, here are my ideas, here's why I hold the position that I do, and it comes across very organically.

Ian MalcolmWith that opening statement, and I feel like it was a microcosm of this entire affair, the other side of the aisle clearly, at least in my opinion, Very uncomfortable with what they were trying to deliver. And I believe that back to that sincerity idea at the wedding, it's because they were insincere words that were being shared and not ideas that organically are founded upon by a rational conclusion based on, let's say, prior examination of the scenario at hand.

Ian MalcolmDavid, I'm curious for your thoughts on that concept in terms of the demeanor and the presentation of these folks.

@nietzsche258918Well, I do think that there is much more on the table for them. Why? Because if your job is to obfuscate, that's a lot more work. This is why Mark Twain said, tell the truth, it's easier to remember. And I think that is the difficult place they find themselves because they know that they're representing people, the most devious, evil people, and they have to get it right.

@nietzsche258918GameOfThrones has already departed from those people. When you know Solzhenitsyn and the Gulag Archipelago, there's a famous scene where one of Stalin's henchmen He comes to visit him and he says, you know, you're more enslaved than I am. I'm here in the gulags. They've taken everything from me. And so I'm basically free.

@nietzsche258918I can say whatever I want. You live in fear every day. And so in a way, you're more enslaved. I love that speech. And this is kind of the way everybody that's finally come out and said, oh, it's Jewish supremacy. Oh, it's obviously this. Oh, they're obviously doing this. You know, the example that I would give at this point with regard to people like this in this debate is this.

@nietzsche258918When police officers are interrogating someone, someone who's suspected of a heinous crime like killing a family or something like that, there is a moment where the perpetrator really plays out a turn. And the two cops look at each other and they just share this oh wow moment. Oh my gosh, this person is clearly guilty.

@nietzsche258918And this is what happened... This is one of the examples of how this happened was during the Tyler Robinson trial. When everybody that represented Israel and Jewish supremacy came out and screamed, it has to be Tyler Robinson, and it has to be just Tyler Robinson, all the rest of us went, oh my gosh. Look at how guilty these people look like.

@nietzsche258918Why would you do that? Why would you say that? You would have looked so much less guilty had you just remained silent. But all of you, and every day, by the way, every day since this, this one little guy, remember I keep saying Jackie Kennedy said about Lee Harvey Oswald, there is no way that one little communist did this alone.

@nietzsche258918It's a rational point of view that people would take, which, okay, I want to track down every lead, everybody, not even saying this other guy didn't participate. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Maybe he's the only person. But any rational person would not say, hey, nothing to see here, folks. Investigation over. Oh, there's leads?

@nietzsche258918No, no, no. Joe can't. Shut that down. No, nobody gets to talk about it. All the rest of us, like those police officers, looked at each other and said, oh, my gosh, these people look really freaking guilty. and that is when the investigation should go on and the bullshit meters should go off and I think that's what these people are afraid of and people that are representing that point of view, I think it's kind of frightening, back to that Solzhenitsyn term, when they have to represent that point of view because they gotta stick the landing on the lie and that is a difficult proposition, my friend.

Ian MalcolmDavid, that is so well stated and a little comment to your point on this one and I'd be curious for your thoughts on it because... One of the things that I've seen people respond to, because I've been putting up some commentary critical of Andrew Wilson. I might have some on Candace at some point, but obviously there are some aspects of Wilson's performance that I just thought were, frankly, abysmal.

Ian MalcolmAnd it's not because I wanted him to lose. It's because I'm looking at this as trying to be a somewhat impartial judge of it, despite, of course, my own biases. And in doing so, I recognize that one person who certainly felt insincere They certainly also came across as intellectually dishonest, and we'll get to specific examples of that.

Ian MalcolmBut the other thing, David, is I'm not wed to not only Candace Owens, but to whatever her worldview might be of how this series of events took place. I don't believe that she has it all figured out. What I do think is that it's completely unreasonable to say that the state has, because there's clearly so many holes in the narrative of Tyler Robinson.

Ian Malcolmwhich is that the state's narrative has a lot of bullet holes in it, right? And that it should be perfectly reasonable to unpack all of those. And that's one of the things that I noticed that Andrew Wilson essentially tried to do during this argument. And again, we'll kind of play one of the clips. But what he basically at one point in it, he almost acknowledged, okay, well, there's lots of ways in which this thing could have gone down, but you're specifically stating that you know with certainty that Tyler Robinson was a patsy.

Ian MalcolmAnd it's like, no, that's not actually Candace's position. She might say that there's reason to question if he was the Patsy, right? But the thing that our side is saying is that we are pretty confident that he was not, not only the lone gunman who killed Charlie Kirk, right? But he might not have even been a person pulling a trigger at one point or another.

Ian MalcolmHe might not have even had the gun in his hand, right? We are asking these questions and trying to come up with reasons where it is justifiable to arrive at that, right? We've got a litany of them. and we could go on and list those all out. But instead we're saying, guys, there's a lot. I mean, there's no smoking gun here.

Ian MalcolmThe only thing that is a smoking gun is seemingly this other side of the argument, the Zionists, the state, the big media, and now the groipers that are saying, no, we know with certainty that it was Tyler Robinson. He did it. The game of Clue, it was in the library with the candlestick and Tyler Robinson is Colonel Mustard, right?

Ian MalcolmLike... No, we know there's a lot of holes in this, but I noticed that Andrew Wilson, again, he tried to flip the argument about halfway through and to suggest, well, now we're going to debate Candace's specific understanding or suggestion on how this all went down when that was never the intent of the argument, right?

Ian MalcolmAndrew Wilson's job coming into this was to basically demand the state's accuracy. And at one point he essentially conceded. There are a lot of holes in it, and he tried to flip it because he knew he was on such unstable ground. I'm curious, David, if you noted the same.

@nietzsche258918Well, this is a point I've made about every one of these instances. Like, for instance, the 9-11. I don't really have to nail down a countervailing theory to know that you're lying to me. And then why would you be doing that? You know, there are... I have several compendiums of history, but one of them... It's a smaller one and it's separated into volumes like Man Against Man, Man Against the Universe.

@nietzsche258918One of them is Man Against the State, which is precisely where someone defending themselves against the state, and make no mistake about it, this is the state, against Tyler Robinson finds themselves. And so all of the strength and all of the power of the state is against Tyler Robinson. And that state is clearly comprised of people.

@nietzsche258918That are, as Diligent likes to hear me say, lying liars through their lying lie holes. I mean, these people, they lie every day, all the time. They never stop lying. And in this case, the fact that here you have a man against the state, again, we have no idea ultimately what happened, but we know that they're lying. And we know that all of the giant megaphones are being directed towards that lie or echoing that lie.

@nietzsche258918and blasting it all over the universe. It's very important, I noticed, in the preliminary hearings for them to paint a picture so that you no longer question the facts and in whose direction is that picture being painted. It's the prospective jury people. They want them to step on that jury and say, he's already guilty, so no need to look at the facts here, folks.

@nietzsche258918It is a very, very sort of low-ledger domains, light of hand, to tell me, no, no, no, I have to disprove your assumption. No, I don't. I don't have to do that. I don't have to have a countervailing idea of what happened. All I have to say is you should be very suspicious, very incredulous, very unbelieving when you know that you're being lied to, when you know that evidence is being destroyed, when you know the narrative keeps changing.

@nietzsche258918Mindless incredulity is actually a little more admirable than mindless credulity. If you just mindlessly believe everything the people said after what? After the COVID lies? After the frickin' 2020 election? After the open borders? After, well, everything that Jewish supremacy has foisted upon us? And remember when white supremacists were the number one problem?

@nietzsche258918Remember when these people said this? After all these lies? You have the temerity to come up and say, well, I just believe what they told me. Well, you're just a simp. I'm sorry, and I don't envy you for the position of having to defend that.

Ian MalcolmNo, it's so well stated. And that's the big thing, right, is that if you look through the charges, you know, the debate here is essentially the state's narrative versus anything else, right? And to your point there, David... To suggest that the state's narrative is flawed does not mean that we have to be able to demonstrate that Tyler Robinson was the patsy, right?

Ian MalcolmWe don't have to be able to defend and define and apply that rhetoric with absolute perfection and to tell you exactly how that came about. What we do have to be able to do is say, no, there's clearly some holes in the state's narrative. So it's almost independent of however you want to define Tyler Robinson, his perspective involvement, all of those other things.

Ian MalcolmRight? We used to have that standard of innocent until proven guilty. And now it's basically guilty unless you can validate that he is the bad guy. It's like, no, guys, that's not how this is playing. And so just wanted to clarify that. So again, we do have a bunch of clips. I'm going to kind of keep asking and poking some questions with Mr. Nietzsche here, but lots of other hands.

Ian MalcolmSo I want to make sure that we involve people. If you do want to come up, share some of your thoughts. Again, so far, we've kind of covered at 50,000 feet. I tried at the top for anybody that missed it. We played the song The Gambler, right? The idea of knowing when to walk away when you got a bad set of cards, but just like in poker.

Ian MalcolmThere are those two aspects. There's the data points that they could use to try and articulate either the state's narrative or something else, which is loosely how I would define what Candace Owens was arguing, right? Is something other than the state's narrative? Because after all, if the state is colluding and once again doing so with the mainstream media, the Zionists, in this case, weirdly, all the Groypers, well, then that is clearly that needs to be exposed.

Ian MalcolmJust like all of these other aspects of essentially Jewish supremacy. And that's why to David's point, it does feel like this is not just about Tyler Robinson. If this goes south, if essentially the truth tellers of the internet are able to make so much noise that the state is not allowed due to a lack of evidence to incriminate a man that basically the truth tellers, and I'll give a lot of credit to Diligent Dennis, he's been doing amazing work on this, right?

Ian MalcolmIf people like Diligent are able to bring enough

Ian MalcolmThey got the video. All those influencers said that they saw it in 4K. Huh? It brings question to everything. And so in a sense, this is, and somebody suggested two, three, four years ago, I think it was, they said if we could ever get the hashtag IsraelDid911, if we could get that trending on Twitter, in particular on 9-11, what would that mean for the zeitgeist?

Ian MalcolmWell, I think it would probably mean something somewhat similar. I just want to add one more thing. Just imagine if a police officer were to be investigating a husband.

@nietzsche258918And the woman that was killed, her friend said, well, she said that her husband did it, was going to do it. She said if she ever died, it was her husband. Wouldn't they follow down that lead? Because that's what Charlie Kirk said. Charlie Kirk said, I think Israel's going to take me out. And the idea that nobody's going to follow that lead, the idea that right before the guy died, he said that, and nobody's going to follow that lead, very odd, right?

@nietzsche258918I mean, it wouldn't be odd if they followed the lead and said, no, we looked into it, no. But the fact that they're like, no, no, no, that's not a lead. What? He literally said that before he died. How could this possibly be so?

Ian MalcolmYeah, so well stated there, David. And really excited for everybody else's thoughts on this. Feel free. I see a lot of wonderful voices down there. And I've got to call out. If he's able to, Mr. Mighty Thor, I would love for your thoughts on this. I'm sure they'll be colorful and always entertaining.

Speaker 1I love Mighty Thor, bro. I love Mighty Thor.

Ian MalcolmAbsolutely. He's one of my favorite people to listen to on this app. But with that being said, why don't we go? I think it was American Patriot. Then we will check in with the box man, Mr. Jay Wood. And then we will go to the incomparable Mr. V, who's got his hand up so politely.

@theamaz16827948Okay, so I... By the way, you can hear me, right? I mean, there's going to be cars in the background. Okay, good. The debate, I really like the debate. The interesting thing about it for me is that I actually like Andrew Wilson more than I like Kenneth Owens, and I watch a lot more of Andrew Wilson than I do of Kenneth Owens.

@theamaz16827948But when it comes to the Charlie Kirk thing, I fully disagree with him because he agrees with the official narrative. And so I'm watching this debate and it's really interesting. I don't care for Candace Owens, but I actually agree more with her than I do Andrew Wilson when it comes to this topic because I believe, you know, Israel and the Jews, I believe, killed Charlie Kerr for a multitude of different reasons.

@theamaz16827948So when I was watching it, I honestly thought, and I was talking to other people about it, I honestly thought that Andrew Wilson was going to wipe the floor with her. Even if I agreed with her, I thought she was going to do a terrible job, but... After listening to the whole thing all the way through, I was pleasantly surprised that she did a really good job, actually.

@theamaz16827948And I think I'm not going to, like, give too much, you know, I'm not going to talk too much because there's other people here, you know.

Ian MalcolmWell, American, I really appreciate you giving the context there and kind of the preference that you had coming into it for Andrew Wilson's content and also your thoughts that... And I would have to agree with you. I mean, the guy kind of prides himself on his ability to sit in these types of scenarios. So I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption to come in with.

Ian MalcolmWhat is it in particular about the conversation or the debate, if we can call it that, that had you walking away thinking Candace Owens had done a prospectively better job?

@theamaz16827948Well, that's difficult because there's a lot that was said.

@theamaz16827948I think I still disagree. I think Mia was just a way that he conducted himself, really. You can definitely see that he was worried. He was shaking his leg a lot. It just doesn't look like as if he 100% was convinced by the things that he was saying himself. And also that he just wants hardcore evidence and just disproved a lot of... Like, he just doesn't believe the things that she was saying.

@theamaz16827948And it's like, you know, doubting a lot of the evidence, which is interesting, because I wanted to actually bring this up, this was going to be the last thing I would say before you go to the rest of the hands, was Kenneth Stone's timeline, and she was talking about this guy, and he was at like a restaurant, and he had like the receipt, and I believe that this was because, what was it, the information was like, oh, Tyler Robertson was in like a different state, something like that, right?

@theamaz16827948And they have like the receipt, and... This proves that he was still in this other state and he couldn't have been there. You know, he was not going to drive like 12 to 14 hours to go kill somebody. And Andrew Wilson, much like with all the other stuff that she brought, just like, well, I'm not going to believe it. You know, unless you can show it, literally, unless you can show it to me, even if this puts your life at risk or puts you in some hot water illegally, if you don't show it, I'm not going to believe you.

@theamaz16827948But I was in another space right before you started this one. And of course, if you're interested, you can probably go to the recent people that I followed and check this guy up. But the co-host in the space was interviewing the guy that gave or showed, rather, Candace Owens the receipt. He was a guy that was working at that very restaurant she was talking about for the timeline.

@theamaz16827948And he had the recorded conversation with this... and even while he was talking to this guy during this interview, he was holding the very receipt Candace Owens was talking about to verify that she was telling the truth.

@nietzsche258918To be clear, that was Diligent Denizen who broke that story and it was in Panguitch. I don't think there's another state, but I think it was too far away for the narrative to work. And I think the cricket in the background will back me up on this.

@theamaz16827948Right, I believe that's the case too. I mean, I didn't... I don't understand exactly what that whole thing was about, but like I said, I followed this guy that did the interview with the person that showed him the receipt for the timeline. So if you're interested in getting him on here and having a conversation with him and hearing the interview, I suggest you go to him.

@nietzsche258918Right. And again, that's Diligent Denison. He does have that on his timeline. You can watch the whole interview. Absolutely. That's true.

Ian MalcolmNo, very well stated. And I really appreciate, again, kind of the context and the commentary around having a preference for Andrew Wilson. Obviously, the guy, he's had some interesting content in the past and says some things I think are pretty reasonable. This is just, to your point, one of those, I think his eyes were bigger than his appetite.

Ian MalcolmAnd I think perhaps that happened because of a paycheck that might be associated with it. But that is my... That's my hunch on all of this. And I say it because if we are to believe that he's a remotely intelligent person, it's pretty reasonable to conclude he would have had to have some kind of impetus that would far exceed whatever shame would come from trying to take this position, which I don't know if it would have been money or some kind of maybe limelight or what the motivation might have been.

Ian MalcolmBut there's that old adage that no press is bad press, but it feels like this press Expressly was bad. American, I'm curious for your thoughts. How do you think this is going to play out for Andrew Wilson's reputation kind of long term?

@theamaz16827948That one's hard to say because you got like this whole event has divided everybody. Some people think Israel and the Jews did it. Other people think that it was Tyler Robinson, like the lefty train that did it.

@theamaz16827948I think Kenneth Owens is going to come out of this much stronger than Andrew Wilson will. I think there's going to be a lot of people clipping a lot of stuff that Andrew Wilson has been saying and just being like, yeah, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about or he's not even convinced by the stuff that he's saying.

@theamaz16827948I mean, a lot of people have been digging into his past and they find out his daughter's a lesbian and that he was part of some other religion. I forgot, like a Freemason? That's what he was? So, I mean... I think it's not going to look very good in the future for him. And it also doesn't help that the kind of stuff that he said during the debate, especially when it came to like, oh, Candace, you name all the accounts or whatever, what he's charged with.

@theamaz16827948And she's like, okay, well, name one of them. And he's like, he doesn't exactly know what to say. He's like, I think it was murder. and then he's like okay name all seven and then she literally doesn't and then they looked up they fact-checked her on that and she literally named every single one perfectly and I'm like wow dude that does not look good that you don't know you don't know what he's being charged with specifically and she words literally all the charges out just lays them out there uh perfectly exactly as they are said so yeah I just don't think it's gonna look good for the future of him but I mean

@jamesjacob94515Let me close my office door before I do this. Hold on one second. I don't want anybody to hear me outside. So, yeah. Yeah. You know, good afternoon, everybody. Let me just say this. Let's start from the top. I worked for the government for 14 and a half years in law enforcement. And I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to just be honest with you, okay?

@jamesjacob94515We lie. We lie all the time. We're paid to lie to you, we're ordered to lie to you, and we're told to lie to you. Because you wouldn't pay your taxes if we were honest. I know a lot of people are still sheep and still asleep, and that's fine. You can be naive and stupid because that's what we need you to be. In order for this thing to function, you have to be sheepish and stupid.

@jamesjacob94515Okay? That's just how it works. Now, I know some of you really trust the government, and I know that's hard for you to just, you know, if they tell you something. I mean, this is what we're dealing with. We're dealing with people who just implicitly just trust the government. Now, some of you are sheep. Okay? And that's unfortunate.

@jamesjacob94515Because the government said so, and you just run with it. That is a sad, sad way to live your life. Okay? Now, that being said, let's move on to something else. Now, I'm going to state what I stated in a tweet earlier. This comes down to two types of people. Those who trust the government and those who don't. Has the government always been honest with you?

@jamesjacob94515The answer is no. Do you blindly trust the government? You shouldn't. And if you do, you're a goddamn fool. I work there. I'm going to tell you, we lie. I'm just going to tell you that's what we do. Now, ask yourself this. Always ask, like Charlie Kirk said, always keep asking questions. That's what Candace Owens was doing.

@jamesjacob94515Okay? She didn't trust the government and she's asking questions. and draw conclusions based on the inconsistencies of the so honest, so forthcoming government. Because they always get it right, right? And that's something you should really pay attention to. The sheep who just blindly trust with the things I used to say versus independent, common sense thinking.

@jamesjacob94515Critical thinking. Okay? Now, I just watched a simp A cuckold spent $300,000 to pay a woman, to pay a pregnant woman, to pay a pregnant black woman, to pay a pregnant married black woman $300,000 to argue with her at her house.

@jamesjacob94515He flew himself and his supporters or whoever he had with him, his staff, with his own money.

@jamesjacob94515This pregnant black woman who's married to somebody else, $300,000 to fucking argue with her at her house.

@jamesjacob94515This fucking simp of a man. I'm married. I would never pay my wife $300,000.

@jamesjacob94515Oh, God. This is incredible. This man. And he thinks he won? And the fans, like nobody critically thinks about what they just saw. This was the most expensive OnlyFans where nobody, where the man got fucked by a pregnant black woman. And everybody watched it. Because no matter, I am just shocked. I am without words. I have no, if I were him, I would seriously consider killing myself, flying back to wherever he's from.

@jamesjacob94515After I just gave this woman $300,000, I would really have a hard time with that because he clearly doesn't have the money. He's crowdsourcing the money and just trying to get people to give him the money back. This is a man who's married to another woman. They have five, six children combined, two that are his and four that are not.

@jamesjacob94515And she blocked me. Retarded woman, because if you go by what Angie Wilson said, all women are retarded. Okay? This retarded woman, Rachel Wilson, blocked me. Okay? And I'll tell you this. I just say, you know, for a woman who has all these children with all these other men and all these ex-husbands, you know, you're pretty sure about this one.

@jamesjacob94515Blocked. I mean... You're a person who makes a lot of mistakes with a high body count, a lot of kids, a bunch of ex-husbands. You know, you could be wrong this time. It's just an observation based on your history.

@jamesjacob94515Blocked. She blocked me. Now, of course, according to Andrew Wilson, she's retarded. But I'll tell you this.

@jamesjacob94515This is an embarrassment for men. I wish he just would just... Walk away and get his money, but he did not. He did not listen. You know, and this is just, oh my God. He gave this woman $300,000. Now, I live here in Tennessee where Candace Owens lives. A lot of your conservatives that you guys know of live here in Tennessee.

@jamesjacob94515Okay, Candace Owens lives here. Jordan Peterson lives here. You know, you name them. They live here, okay? So it's a place where people fly in here all the time. But this man, from people that I know, brought a staff with him. Now, this is not a rich man. And airplane tickets aren't cheap. And he literally begged this woman to debate him on a person he doesn't really know.

@jamesjacob94515He never met Charlie Kirk. He really didn't know him that well. Candace owns with him all the time. Charlie Kirk is the one who hired her. Here comes Andrew Wilson. I can tell you more about her. No, you can't. No, you don't. This is foolishness. You gave this woman $300,000. At the end of the day, even if she just said nothing,

@jamesjacob94515Thank you, David.

@nietzsche258918Thank you. Priceless. David, say it again. Free versus 300 grand for this guy to fly. Gentlemen, please don't be that desperate. Please, for the love of God,

@jamesjacob94515Oh, my God. At the end of the day, she's going to be laughing, looking at that money.

@nietzsche258918Wait, could you say the OnlyFans thing again? What did you say about that?

@jamesjacob94515This is the worst OnlyFans I've ever seen.

@nietzsche258918You didn't even get to have sex. There wasn't even any provocative, no, you just paid $300,000 to go let a woman beat you in a debate at her house. I didn't know it was at her house.

@jamesjacob94515Yes, is that her house? She lives in Green Hills. I shouldn't tell where she lives, but she lives in a very nice home in an affluent area of Tennessee. And I tell you this, it's a very nice house. Her and her husband do very well, okay? And this was crazy. That's why she upped it to $500,000, because she has no reason to do this.

@jamesjacob94515Her husband is very wealthy, okay? Her husband's worth like $5 million. Her husband's father's worth like $200 million. Okay, so when he dies in the next five to ten years, they'll inherit all that money. So this is a stupid... She didn't have to do this debate. This man begged and trolled her all over Joe Rogan and other shows.

@jamesjacob94515She said, fine, I'm eight months pregnant. Fly your dumb ass in here and give me the goddamn money. And he did. He did. Now, gentlemen, I've said this before and I've said this on other spaces. I've been accused of being a chauvinist, a misogynist. Because of things I've said about women. But I'm going to tell you this, not all women are retarded.

@jamesjacob94515There, I said it. Now, on top of that, I'm going to say this.

@jamesjacob94515And I put this on my Twitter feed. I said, never argue with a woman in public. If you win, you lose. If you lose, you lose. Because you're not getting anywhere. Just walk away. A lot of times, they're not really listening. They're not. Women know that. You can yell and scream. She's going to have her mind already made up.

@jamesjacob94515This guy has no experience. He gave $300,000. For that kind of money, he should get to debate her any time. I can't do it. Thank you for speaking, Ian. I'm going to go back to work. Listen, guys, it's just ridiculous.

@nietzsche258918Open the door again.

@jamesjacob94515Here's the thing. He still hasn't got the money back yet. You know that, right? He's still waiting. The money hasn't crossed $100,000. That's that check. So he's still...

Ian MalcolmHe's going into debt for his subscription that ran out a couple hours ago.

@nietzsche258918Oh, my God. He didn't even get to see her in her PJs.

@jamesjacob94515I mean, dude, you're flying home. 300, well, let's say he got 50, 60, let's say he got $200,000. He's still $200,000 light in the ass. Flying back with his staff and whoever's with him, okay? And like I said, I would consider killing myself if I had done this to myself. And for all to see the internet's forever, you know, oh God, this is dumb.

Ian MalcolmGo ahead, guys. And James, the funny part about it to that comment is I suppose... Andrew was thinking, hey, I'll put in this big investment. I'm going to get my Super Bowl debate. And if I come out looking like a champion, I'm going to get a program on CNN or something along those lines. And instead, he basically took out a mortgage on his house to gamble on, I suppose in this case, it was on black or maybe red, depending on how you want to look at the board.

Ian MalcolmBut it came up the other way. And I mean, not only do I think he's not going to make the money back, not only is he not going to get those big contracts, I think he probably lost almost any real career that he had or future in kind of this space as a shill for this machine. I mean, it feels like it's over for him.

@jamesjacob94515And Ian, let me say this. He's poisoned himself against, like, so now Turning Point has to make a decision because he said he thinks all women are retarded. And he laughed and giggled and ga-ga-ha-ha-ha. Now Turning Point, and he says Eric Kirk's retarded. So he's basically poisoned himself against From the big money donors, all the Israel, AIPAC people at Turning Point, who now have to say, well, can't necessarily bring you in now because, you know, Erica's a woman and she's running, you know.

@jamesjacob94515Good point. Turning Point. And on top of that, you just gave a woman who you claim is retarded $300,000. So what does that make you?

Ian MalcolmI mean, yeah, that's a pretty retarded.

@jamesjacob94515What does that make you? We should have known when to fold and... Know when to walk away and know when to run.

@jamesjacob94515I like Charlie Kirk. My wife cried when he passed away. I said, Charlie Kirk's a nice guy, but he's beating college students at debates. A lot of them are liberal and not very knowledgeable, and they have this worldview that's skewed against reality. It's kind of easy to trip them up and beat them in debates. Andrew Wilson fancies himself as a great debater, and he's not.

@jamesjacob94515He's been caught lying many times about being a sniper. He taught rifles as a gun. No, you didn't. You don't teach rifles. And that's something, the constant lying. This woman just took you for 300 grand. And she didn't take a clothe off of anything. She argued with you the whole time.

@jamesjacob94515Worst investment ever. I'm just gonna tell you that.

Ian MalcolmWell, and so David, speaking of investments, what do you think those... Actually, I got two questions for you. I'm curious about two investors, one being Turning Point USA, how they probably viewed this. Do you think that they're gonna get enough soundbites where they can try and salvage this narrative for their benefit?

Ian MalcolmThe other... And I'm not going to poke fun or anything. I'm just going to ask the question. What about the investor that was Nick Fuentes? I see on the timeline that he made a post kind of, of course, condescending towards Candace Owens, who replied and last I checked has ratioed Nick Fuentes despite his massive fan base and appeal on the internet.

Ian MalcolmAnd obviously Candace Owens also has a very large audience, of course. But it feels like Nick Fuentes for a long time has been the... Untouchable Guy That Can Ratio Elon Musk. And it seems like the general public is in team Candace over Fuentes with his critique and obviously his support for Andrew Wilson.

@jamesjacob94515Real quickly, I'm going to say this. She won because the female vote's going to go her way now. If anybody was on the fence about Andrew Wilson, all women who were kind of supporting him, the moment he said that Erica Kirk was retarded, women are going to just side with Candace and I guarantee you Monday morning, Every woman within the sound of her, like 100,000 is going to be like, go, Candace.

@jamesjacob94515They're going to be on her side because the last thing they want to support is the man who calls all women retarded. OK, and that's going to just he now he could have won the debate over to that point. But the moment he did that, women are going to turn against him and we know it.

Ian MalcolmAnd isn't that curious, David? I'd love your thoughts on that idea, some of the The Squabbling there, whether it's Fuentes or Turning Point USA, not to mention to James' comment there on the female vote. I mean, isn't it the female audience that oftentimes is more easily appealed to with the kind of manipulations of the media and social pressures and stigma?

Ian MalcolmAnd to James' point, to have Andrew Wilson say what he did about the better gender, that's an interesting move that I think to James' point he's probably going to regret. Once the audience catches up with that one.

@nietzsche258918Veritably predict what her point of view is without hearing it on a given subject. You know, I could probably get near it. Couldn't do that with Nick Fuentes. I mean, for instance, who would have thought that he would glaze Epstein? Who would have thought he would have said something so irrational as to say it's low IQ to consider any possibility other than the idea that Tyler Robinson did that?

@nietzsche258918I want to remind everyone that when John Wilkes Booth was caught, the Pinkertonists didn't stop there. They investigated everybody in all directions and indeed found 12 co-conspirators.

@nietzsche258918And of course, I know that that was just a silly mistake. I think that it was a throwaway comment on his part to not go down that road. I think just to say, by the way, some of the best debaters that we have, including on X and everywhere else, they are women. So be prepared to be taken down by a woman when you say, oh, they're all stupid.

@nietzsche258918Well, then how are you getting bested by one? That's the worst debating tactic. You pride yourself on being a great debater, and then you come in and you say from the beginning, you're stupid. Whoever won a debate with that as a starting point. Could you imagine the greatest geniuses in the world? Could you imagine Socrates and Xenophon starting out with saying, oh, you're retarded.

@nietzsche258918Guess who says that? People that actually aren't very smart. So yeah, it's unintelligent. Obviously, it's not a good move. I think though that they will try to flush it down the memory hole if they do try to give him some sort of position. This is kind of a humiliation ritual, by the way. And that is always required when you join the other side.

@nietzsche258918And I will remind you, he could be funded in ways that we don't know of. So I don't really know anything more than what I've been told, but I know that's possible.

Ian MalcolmVery, very well stated there, David. Spot on. Let's go to the boxed man. And then we'll go up and check in with Mr. Raed and then go to Tucker and Linda.

@nietzsche258918What if we have the worshipful master tell him, well, maybe we'll let you be a shriner if you debate this black woman that you can't win the debate on. So he goes, he spends this absurd amount of money just because he wants to be part of the club, he wants to have all the nice things. So he goes, he gets his butt kicked trying to debate something that honestly is kind of...

@nietzsche258918Just sniffing off that one first thing is honestly really enough to just be able to justify looking deeper into it. And that's why it's definitely a humiliation ritual, because how do you send any person, especially this person with no skin in the game, he wasn't there, he's not a trustable witness on anything, he doesn't...

@nietzsche258918Why would we trust this person, A? And B, how exactly would he be able to prove that there was nothing weird at all, that this was 100% a just weird tranny fucker that wanted to shoot Charlie Kirk because he offended him?

Ian MalcolmYeah, and that's the challenge here is that the alternative side, again, we're not taking the position... that we know how this went down. What we are taking a stance in is that the official narrative, it just doesn't add up. And it's reasonable to say that it has some perspective reason to give it credence. But once you start to your point, you start connecting some of these dots and there's so much smoke.

Ian MalcolmIt's like, okay, maybe we can't say that there's absolutely a fire coming out of the kitchen of the house, but there's a fire somewhere here, right? And that's basically our position and those that are running contrary to it. are basically saying, no, ignore all the smoke, ignore all the flashing lights from inside the house.

Ian MalcolmTrust me, everything's fine. And so it's going poorly for them. And I think you're exactly right. That idea of the humiliation ritual, right, sent into the lion's den knowing he's going to make a fool of himself, literally debating the people or the gender that, in his words, let's say, would just not be all that thoughtful.

Ian MalcolmSo really well stated there. Let's continue along. I know we've got a lot of other hands in here. Let's go to Tucker, and then we'll check in with Daryl.

Speaker 2All right. I have to do this quickly because I'm at work, but I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon with the gender point. First of all, Miriam Adelson's not going to come to Candace's aid when this thing goes. But I'll ask you quickly, Ian. It's just more levity for the room. In a Jewish marriage, why does the man always die first?

Ian MalcolmI give you 6 million reasons, but maybe I'll have to condense it to 271,000.

Speaker 2It's because he wants to. This is a great room. It's a great discussion. I'm going to keep listening. I'm at work. Thanks for having me up.

Ian MalcolmAbsolutely, and let's just continue right along. Let's go to Daryl, and then we'll go back down to American before checking in with Mr. Akunji, and then we'll come to David for some of the next round here of audio clips.

Speaker 3Yeah, real quick, if you watch the, well, after listening, well, I was listening and watching at the same time. You can clearly tell by the dude's body language. I don't know if he was suffering from nicotine addiction and he was wanting some nicotine really bad. But when you look at the way he was crossing his legs, shaking his foot during the whole debate, it got really intense when she was asking the serious questions.

Speaker 3And you could see, definitely, he was having issues.

Speaker 3Keeping up with Candace, and he kept wanting to interject, obfuscate, and everything else like what we know who those particular people tend to do during a debate. They obfuscate, they want to shift topics, and they don't want to answer the real questions. So when you kind of look at it in a wholesome scale, you'll see that...

Speaker 3This dude obviously was in way over his head, and we know that just a few weeks ago he was at TPUSA receiving a massive amount of money. Well, isn't that interesting? So who funded this whole thing? Who funded this debate? I believe in my heart it was TPUSA who tried to get this guy to go in and counterpoint Candace's hard work that we've all known, and we all know that she does good work.

Speaker 3Thank you for watching, and I'll see you next time.

Speaker 3And welcome, Athanji.

Ian MalcolmOh, absolutely. Sorry, that's exactly right. We'll go to Akinji before going to Raed there.

@theamaz16827948Right, you know, the funny thing that I found is that like three different people came up here and talked about the same thing because I wanted to talk about what Andrew said, you know, saying that women are retarded. And then like there's three other people right before me that said the exact same thing. I feel like that's like the big aspect.

@theamaz16827948So he's talking to a woman, you know, Candace Owens about all this, but he also thinks that they're retarded. He doesn't want them in politics and all that kind of stuff.

@theamaz16827948And, you know, he is like, yeah, I just want what's best for women, you know, as a godly, you know, Orthodox Christian, you obviously, you want, you know, the best for women, and you believe they're made in God's image and all that kind of stuff. So, I don't think that it actually helps when you're trying to, you know, sway public opinion to call women retarded, and obviously he knows that saying stuff like that is going to get women very upset.

@theamaz16827948So, I don't think it actually helps his case to make You know, women upset with him. It just doesn't help whatsoever. So from my perspective, it was definitely kind of like a really dumb thing to do. And I think the biggest one is the fact that this conversation is actually very serious, you know, and like this could really sway a lot of people's opinions on this whole conversation.

@theamaz16827948Like if all Candace had to do was just show that the facts of the case just don't line up. And that's something that Andrew was just trying to disprove her and be like, well, you know, the official narrative has all this evidence. All she had to do was just point out that this evidence doesn't make sense because of competing evidence that she has or that she has seen, or maybe there's just holes in the story.

@theamaz16827948You know, and so with that, that can actually sway the public's opinion on it because, oh, well, if it's not what, you know, the feds, what the police... If it's not what they're saying, what is the case? What is responsible for killing Charlie? What's the reasoning behind it? And so it may lead to people looking into all these other conspiracies and maybe actually find out that it was Israel and the Jews the whole time.

@theamaz16827948And if that actually happens, there's no stopping after that. If Charlie was executed and we find out that Israel and the Jews are responsible for doing it, dude, society is going to fucking flip. Excuse my language. I don't know if you can swear on this, but that's just what's going to happen. People are not going to sit down and be like, oh, so this country called our ally assassinated some guy because he may start swaying his opinions.

@theamaz16827948Are you kidding me? That could honestly cause a civil war, possibly, and maybe even get attacks on the government and to Israel. It's really bad, so you've got to treat it very seriously and with the respect that it deserves. So joking around and calling women

@theamaz16827948Thank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmI'm with you. I think there's probably, well, I would say there's certainly far more people, in my opinion,

Ian Malcolmthat probably, now I'm going back to probably, that watched this and would walk away perhaps believing the official narrative prior and coming away thinking, you know, maybe there's something off here. I think it's probably safe to say that there's far more of those than there would be of the inverse of people that had questions and walked away thinking that Andrew Wilson kind of changed their opinion on that.

Ian MalcolmBut that's just my two cents. Maybe I'm wrong, Mr. Raed. Any thoughts? And then we'll go to Akinji.

Speaker 4Yeah, I'll be quick. Thanks for the space, Ian. I'm going to claim ignorance. I don't know who the person is, but just two quick comments. Jay Woods, you cracked me up. I was really laughing hard there. The other one is, you know, because I've heard that thing, like in public, public personalities saying women are retarded, women are retarded, women are retarded.

Speaker 4It's like, who gave birth to you? A cow? That's your mom. You're calling your mom a retard. I do understand that in the West, women have gone rogue, if you will, in the classic sense, and there's a reactionary movement who wants to put things in order, and it gets out of hand, like, go make me a sandwich and all that thing, understandably so.

Speaker 4And I do understand, amongst friends, to say it, because it means like... Yeah, women tend to be emotional and when emotions take over, reasoning decreases. All understandable, but just to go around calling women retarded is like, dude, that's your mama, that's your sister, that's like, that's not a good message, right?

Speaker 4That's all, and thanks for the space.

Ian MalcolmYeah, it's also the woman that he spent $300,000 to have a two-hour conversation with.

Speaker 5Which makes it so much worse. It's like, yeah, not only if another dude screwed you out of $300,000, that's fine. It's like a woman and you think they're retarded. I don't know who's retarded, buddy, at this stage, yeah.

@nietzsche258918Yes, who's retarded? The woman that gets high-fived after the guy leaves with $300,000 of his money? Or when he goes back home to a woman who says, you paid her for what?

Speaker 5I could argue with you for free. You don't have to pay for arguments.

Ian MalcolmI like James' comment around how Candace Owens is the first woman to get paid $300,000. She's the first OnlyFans star to be screwing the guy in this scenario. I thought that was a pretty funny comment.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, Jay Woods, if you'd post that out, I'd repost it, the OnlyFans comic, because it's hilarious.

@jamesjacob94515You know what? I'll turn that into a tweet, I guess. Yeah.

Ian MalcolmThat was pretty hysterical. Let's go to Akunji. And then, like I promised, I'm going to play one of the clips here. And hopefully the audio will carry across nicely. But it'll do a good job illustrating something I think is a pretty paramount piece of kind of this exchange. But Akunji, were you able to watch? And if so, any thoughts on the debate?

@mohammedakunjeeI didn't. Thanks for having me. I will say that I didn't know who Andrew Wilson was until I stepped into this room. And a lot of the people in the sort of Andrew Wilson camp, I guess, or the lack of notoriety they carry, may well make the calculation that spending $300,000 to sit in a room with a couple of million eyeballs, suddenly knowing who you are, and then talking might be worth the... Humiliation may be worth the money.

@mohammedakunjeeAnd we now live in a world where any debate will be clipped. and only a few seconds of it shown out of context. And to his fans, or those people in the Red Pill camp, we'll simply say, look, he won because he called a retarded on our own show. And that's sadly where we've got to. It's just the debates are not there to be listened to.

@mohammedakunjeeThey're there to be clipped in order to feed those nuggets back to their own camp. And that's what spreads the name. And that's what spreads the message. And the message is nothing but ad hominem. So I lament that, really, that this is a state we're in. And not many people, I mean, if you look at any social media clip that you put out, the vast majority of people don't get past 10 or 20 seconds.

@mohammedakunjeeAgain, lamentable. But you have to wonder, why create a platform or a society where the mediocre are promoted and very much dumbed-down messaging is promoted when you and I all know people in our own lives There are a hundredfold more capable than the people that we're fed, either through political appointment like Kash Patel, for example.

@mohammedakunjeeMan can't even see straight, let alone, you know, command a straight argument. And it's promoted that position, and I think it's quite sinister. Because what it's saying is, you people can't do better than this. This is the best that you can come up with. And therefore, if you want competence, you have to look elsewhere.

@mohammedakunjeeand I think it is that subtle and that is the reasoning apart from obviously they themselves know that they are such poor offerings as human beings that they're ever so grateful for having given the position and therefore dance to the tune that they've been fed. That's one part of it but the other more sinister part is that that's the best you people can do and therefore look to others to lead you.

@mohammedakunjeeSo I would encourage anyone if you are going to click on anything to watch

Ian MalcolmYou know, there's something really interesting there, Akinji, which is this idea, and David, not sure if you want to expand on this, but this concept of the best that you can do, whether it is in public discourse and debate being, I guess, exemplified by what we're now discussing or... David Nietzsche2310

@nietzsche258918In the past, it's been the case where there is simply no debate at all. So the fact that it's allowed to happen and the fact that we're able to comment on it, I think that's still good. I think when the truth and falsity collide, that truth tends to win out, and that's why they don't want that collision to happen. If they're both given a fair hearing.

@nietzsche258918I do agree, though, that this is why I noticed that they try to personify their opposition with one person. I'm always... I'm always skeptical of that because I don't think it's about one person. And this is why I'm always describing this as a great awakening because I don't think the personalities matter. I think in the long stretch of time, the broad stretch of people, how they're influenced, how they think about the truth, it really comes down to this.

@nietzsche258918Every lie has an expiration date. And I think this big lie of Jewish supremacy is that the expiration date is coming up or past due. And so I still agree with you ultimately that the most intellectual, Disposition of whatever it is that we're saying, I don't think we're going to hear that, but I still think it's good that the debate is happening.

@nietzsche258918What do you think about that, Akunji?

@mohammedakunjeeI agree with that, and you're absolutely right. Every lie requires infinite energy to support, whereas the truth stands on its own with no extra energy. So, ultimately, yes, any debate where there's truth and falsehood, eventually... I think that we are all weak and fallible creatures, and those who govern over us are equally as weak and equally as fallible.

@mohammedakunjeeThe difference is they're arrogant and they think they're right all the time and inevitably that will lead to catastrophic error in their position. So it's the arrogance that kills the leadership. It's just a question of how much energy they've got to pour into it. How, you know, let's say how skilled the people are that they trust to push the lie that extends its time and then how draconian they can be to force us.

@mohammedakunjeeThe issue is where we see the draconian now, it's literally almost total, then it means that there's no more energy left in the light to give it life. So I expect a collapse, but it will be a violent and unpleasant one.

@nietzsche258918And I do believe that ideology is a truth inhibitor, and so they do avail themselves of whatever ideologies people have, but there's something else at play. There's something basic in the soul of humans where... When you're being lied to, you're being predated upon. You're being predated by people who have all the power.

@nietzsche258918They claim a monopoly on violence in the name of the state. And so I just, I think that it's so insulting when you realize that these people are lying to you. And I don't think, I think that overrides ideology when people start to realize, well, clearly they don't respect me because they're lying right to my face. So I think that's the other thing that's not working for them.

@nietzsche258918This is why, for instance, and Ian and I have talked about it. The more Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and the likes of these people, the more they talk, the more people come to our side. I mean, it's just that when people are looking you right in the face and saying, you're stupid enough. You know, I've always said, I do respect a well-crafted lie because at least it doesn't insult my intelligence.

@nietzsche258918Please give me something better than this. And of course, and I include the Tyler Robinson case, they're not doing this. So I do think... But the outrage of being lied to, I think that that is something that is not working in their favor.

@mohammedakunjeeThe fact that people are trying to... That's extremely true. Extremely true. But also the people lying to us look like rats and human detritus. So that's one of the big problems they've got. They literally have trolls, gargoyles, telling us that our version of reality is untrue and their demonic version with their demonic faces.

@mohammedakunjeeis the real one. And that's a hard sell, you know. If you're going to try and sell hell as heaven, then you need to pave the road to that with gold, you know, and beauty, not with ugliness and filth.

@nietzsche258918Not with the meretricious demonica Kirk, you know. I mean, you're right. I mean, everybody went, no, but this person's clearly evil. Well, you're not allowed to... No, that's... It's evil. Look at that. She's pure evil. Please look at her. Even actors in Hollywood are going, oh no, like, she just took a few more classes.

@nietzsche258918I don't know the method theory. I don't care. Like, no, this is really bad. So I agree with you. It's odd.

Speaker 6No, it's mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest one of all? Who's the most gorgeous one? And the mirror can't lie to you. Can it lie to you? Unless you're a little bit... Come on, man. Like, it's obvious. But this is like 2,000 years of this. You think the universe loves them, but why do they look like shit? I don't know.

Speaker 6Because what's contained in their heart is just dreadful. Look, the record. We've got the record right in front of us. But look, you know when they say to you, like when you go to the fucking, you can't see the trees, you can't see the trees at the fucking, when you're walking through the mountain? That's what's going on with humanity.

Speaker 6I mean, like, enough is enough, guys. Come on. You can see it. But, you know, like, but where? Because they prey on the goodness inside us. They prey on the goodness inside our hearts. And it's just gotten too much now. Hey, look, everything. Look, you know what they're singing? They're singing like, every good thing has to come to an end.

Speaker 6Are you serious? Every good thing has to come to an end. That's what they're singing. Now they're in the spotlight. And this time around, humanity needs to say, you need some help. They need help.

Ian MalcolmWell, and speaking of help, so, and David, please let me know if the audio doesn't come in as clearly. And if so, I can try and figure out another workaround. But I wanted to try and play this piece of the clip because there's this idea, David, that we've talked about a number of times that it's one thing to lie. I also would just, if...

Ian MalcolmIf I may ask a question, is that permitted? Go ahead. Just so I also have clarity, since your basis has been evidentiary, you keep saying that you have evidence or like you are following evidence, which one of the charges against, or all of them, do you think Tyler Robinson is guilty of?

Speaker 7The specific charge?

Ian MalcolmYeah.

Speaker 7Yeah, so I think, what I think is that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.

Ian MalcolmYeah, but of the seven charges that he's being charged.

Speaker 7Yeah, can we list them real quick? I'll tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull them up.

Ian MalcolmWell, do you know any of the charges that he's up for right now? Yeah, of course, but I want to make sure that we have them listed. Yeah, but, like, can you name one? Because my general perspective is that you don't actually care about this case.

Speaker 6You're not following the case. Is that it? I'll catch you guys later, man.

Ian MalcolmIf you're going to engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming, that Tyler Robinson is guilty, I just think that you should, like, can you tell me one charge?

Speaker 7You can really, hang on, this is a great gotcha.

Ian MalcolmNo, no, no, you just got to ask me, play clips out of context, put me in the hot seat, so please just answer the question. Name all seven.

Ian MalcolmAll right, so first and foremost, and I will continue that clip in just a second, and in doing so, do the inverse of what I'm about to do with Andrew Wilson. She asked, do you know the seven charges? And his response, yeah, of course. He says, yeah, of course.

Ian MalcolmHe then proceeds, not saying that he knows some of or can name a chart. No, of course, yeah, of course I know all seven of the charges. That's what he says. And then she says, name one. And he can't. I think murder. Maybe murder is like, it's like he was playing, what's that, what's the name? Is it on the board? Family Feud, right?

Ian MalcolmHe's like, I think murder. And Candace Owens is like, show me murder. Wrong, right? It couldn't get one proficiently. Now, we're going to play the rest of the clip, and here's the piece of it. And David, just before we do go to the rest of that, obviously, so Andrew Wilson, yeah, of course, I know all seven. That's what he said.

Ian MalcolmYeah, of course. He couldn't name one. How is anybody watching that from that point forward supposed to presume that that guy, A, knows anything about the case, and B, that he's being honest in what he does and doesn't know when he lies so egregiously in this moment. David, I'm kind of curious. I feel like that was the nail in the coffin of the entire debate because, again, after that one interaction, everything else should be, again, not just taken with a grain of salt, but presume that he is both capable and willing of just lying in front of everybody.

@nietzsche258918I think that's a microcosm of everything that Jewish supremacy has been foisting upon us because its representatives have become...

@nietzsche258918where clearly he's defending a power structure that somehow oddly, irrespective of owning all the financial systems and the giant megaphones of society, even our politicians, still needs defense. And what does that tell you? That tells you they're losing. This is big. I mean, the fact that they need this rather effeminate, oddly, after criticizing women, rather effeminate man who's coming up here being caught

@nietzsche258918Dead to rights, not knowing literally what the hell he's talking about. And the fact that they need his defense means that the truth actually really does win out. You can have the money, you can have the military, you can have the media, but you cannot have the advantage if you're fighting the truth. And I think this looks desperate on their part, and deservedly so.

Ian MalcolmYeah, and so here's what we're going to do, because again, the thing that I thought was so interesting in this moment... This could have gone a couple different ways, right? Because Andrew Wilson could have demonstrated, yeah, of course I know him. And then he could have listed them out, which he didn't. He didn't even, he wasn't capable of naming one of the formal charges.

Ian MalcolmBut then conversely, so Candace Owens said, well, of course I know them and I can list them out. Now what's wild is you're going to hear that Candace starts to do so. And basically, Andrew tries a number of different things. He tries to steamroll the conversation to essentially, let's say, obfuscate the ability for her to detail each of the crimes and the charges.

Ian MalcolmAnd then the other thing that he does is he tries to redirect the conversation once he realizes that she actually knows sincerely what she's discussing. And so what we're going to see is not only have we demonstrated that Andrew Wilson completely willing to lie about what he does and doesn't know. But that when Candace Owen said, yes, I do know all seven of those charges, we're going to see her ability to define them.

Ian MalcolmSo with that being said, I'll play this little clip again. Hopefully the audio comes in well. And David, again, please just throw up an avatar or an emoji if not. Playing it because you don't know. I know all seven of them. And I'm going to say again, because you're going to get embarrassed. You don't have to rush this.

Ian MalcolmI'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate strategy. I actually am under no time constraint. I got one. Great. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. The next two charges are for obstruction of justice. The next two charges are for witness tampering.

Speaker 7What are the specific charges, though?

Ian MalcolmThat is them. Obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, witness tampering.

Speaker 7Okay, and there's no other specifics to them?

Ian MalcolmWell, I can tell you why he's being charged with it.

Speaker 7No, no, no, just the charges and then seven.

Ian MalcolmYeah, see, the bad thing is when you try to be an a-hole and it doesn't work. What's the seventh? The last charge is violence in front of a minor.

Speaker 7Okay, got it. So then, he's being charged with murder. You just say aggravated murder.

Ian Malcolmthat's the distinction you just want to it's a massive you can't even you cannot say murder versus aggravated murder this gets to the entire crux of why him being up up for the death sentence and i actually find the defense's filing about why this is not aggravated to be uh my projects as i'm trying sorry and then it goes to the next video the uh so again the uh the interesting piece to me there

Ian MalcolmNot only was Candace Owens able to go through some of the charges, but had kind of intimate knowledge of them. And the craziest part was when she was listed off that two of the charges were two of the charges because something could be charged twice. He goes, well, tell me the details.

Ian MalcolmBut the arrogance with which he is doing so, where he lies about what he knows, he then basically tries to gaslight and obfuscate Candace Owen's ability to share the rest of what she does. But along the journey, he tries to mock and belittle or critique or poke holes. And in doing so, only showcases, furthermore, his own ignorance.

Ian MalcolmIt's wild the degree to which in that... Again, it's just one of many clips, but he just gets abs... He keeps stepping in the manure and then holding it up to his face and saying, look how I found gold. And he's rubbing it all over his face in the process, David.

@nietzsche258918I think he was one step away from, I know you are, but what am I?

Ian MalcolmThe Pee Wee Wilson?

@nietzsche258918All right, I know I am, but what are you? I mean, it really was... Think about it now. He traveled all this way, paid her $300,000, and this is her friend. Remember, Charlie Kirk, even though he's dearly departed, he would ostensibly have a horse in this race, the person who's defending him, the person who loved him. Charlie Kirk means nothing to these other people, but something really, really does.

@nietzsche258918I mean, otherwise, what would it be about? It would just be about one little guy. You know, supposedly shooting someone else, oddly and just out of the blue. But it's very, very odd. And, you know, every time I ask Grok, you know, assume the hypothetical that Israel did this. What would be their motive? It's always like two pages.

@nietzsche258918I mean, you know, and the idea that we're supposed to ignore this, we're supposed to not acknowledge this. And yet so many people are coming from so many directions and all of them, all of them clearly aligning with that country or those people.

Ian MalcolmAnd that's the, at the end of the day, that's the challenge for essentially the intellectual, and I don't like to call them opposition, right? But for rather those that are taking the official state narrative is probably the right way to think about it, is that they have wed themselves entirely to this thing because at every step.

Ian MalcolmI look at the state's narrative and it's very clear that there's a lot of gaps and holes in it. And when people are unwilling to just acknowledge the obvious, it kind of obviously stands out to us that they're being disingenuous. And so this guy, again, just got, and maybe it is, maybe it's part of a humiliation ritual at a higher level and all of this stuff, but really was wild seeing him, again, overtly lie.

Ian MalcolmAnd it's pretty remarkable that he did that, right? When she said, can you name the charges? You would think that a little bit of humility might have been helpful, and he could have said, no, not formally, but I mean, he's being charged with essentially being complicit or part of or directly responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

Ian MalcolmHe could have said that. Instead, he just stepped right in it with pride, and it's just remarkable degrees of arrogance.

@nietzsche258918And then he splurged out afterwards. You notice he started talking really fast, trying to change the conversation. It's not like we don't know these tactics. It's every single time. I call it the monkey dance where they try to change a subject. They try to encircle you with a whole bunch of other things. No, no, no. Just imagine what you're talking about is a sentence on the whiteboard.

@nietzsche258918We're talking about that. We're not going to change a subject. We can talk about whatever it is that you want afterwards, but we have to be done with this first. And they do not want to think or discuss things in a linear manner because where does that line lead to the truth? So this is obfuscation.

Ian MalcolmYeah, so well stated and humbled for everybody that's here and curious for your thoughts on that. Am I looking too much into that specific dynamic or does it feel like in that maybe three minute clip, we really saw the true colors of both of these abilities or speakers, I should call them, and their ability or willingness to just be honest about what was going on.

Ian MalcolmSo let's check in with Mr. James Wood and then we'll go back to Daryl.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, I just say this. I made some tweets for you guys to, I guess, so you can put my thoughts in the words, because most of the things I say are just off the cuff, off the top of my brain. So I put it in the words for people so that I don't forget what I said. But yeah, it's just what my first thoughts initially when I listened to the, you know, in a debate, you know, I've said this often before, you know, when I was on Twitter, I said, my strength is not that

@jamesjacob94515I'm brilliant or any of these things. I interview well. I'm a C average guy in college, but I interview well. That's my strength. And when I'm sitting down with people, I communicate effectively enough to get a good job. And part of that, it's basically a social IQ, knowing what to say and when to say it. And that's really important in a job interview, in negotiations, contracts, and things of that nature.

@jamesjacob94515You have to actually understand your audience, understand who you're talking to. Andrew Wilson strikes me as a man who doesn't really have that social IQ. There's a time and a place that you can say things. And he just didn't know what he was doing. And look, I don't know. I can't say he prepared for this. Not knowing the charges?

@jamesjacob94515I don't know what to tell you. He walked into this, and do you know the charges? Yeah, of course I know. Put them on the screen so I can tell you once and once I know. Dude, I don't know. I'm confused. But yeah, that's probably it.

Ian MalcolmNo, and I can't believe that he thought that that was going to work well. And that idea of the social IQ, James, very well stated. You would think a person with a little more common sense would say, ah, maybe I should just own up to my ignorance in this moment because it might go poorly if I don't. And a rather poor calculation that he made there in that moment.

Ian MalcolmBut let's go to Mr. Darrell, and then we'll see if anybody else wants to hop up here on the panel with us.

Speaker 3Yeah, Ian, the reason why he couldn't own up to everything going on was his psychopathy. Basically, he has an inflated self-ego, and he felt righteous indignation, if you will, and he was basically thinking that he would own this woman when clearly stated, you paid, well, TPUSA, if I will, allegedly. Paid the $300,000 for the interview.

Speaker 3And so this dude let his basic psychopathy run rampant. And it didn't go well for him because all he did was use ad hominems. He was nervous throughout the whole interview. His legs were shaking. If you look at it on real life, you could see he was like fidgeting. He couldn't put together a coherent statement. I apologize.

Speaker 3I'm sorry, guys. I got cut off early. My CFO walked in to take the conversation. But yeah, sorry about that. Can I finish?

@nietzsche258918Yeah, please do.

Speaker 3Okay, all right. So, yeah, the whole PBD moderating thing was actually great. I loved how they allowed the fact checks to be brought to the light, and then everything that Candace said, fact check, that this dude had posted. She brought up all his old Twitter accounts, and he was like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.

Speaker 3And so it just goes to show like this was a shit show. I don't even know what to think about it all, to be honest. I'm still processing it. And so I'm very grateful to be processing it with everyone in here, Ian, JoAnn, Mr. David, everyone else. God bless you guys.

Ian MalcolmNo, thank you. Certainly appreciate that, Darrell. Let's go back to American Patriot. If anybody else wants to hop up, certainly feel free. Request a mic, we'll bring you up. If not, we'll check in with some of the additional panelists here and perhaps maybe wrap up. Oh, I see James. So let's go back to American Patriot, then we'll come back to James.

@theamaz16827948Yeah, so I moved to a different room, so hopefully the Wi-Fi is pretty good. But I believe it's the same one you were talking about in the same clip. Wasn't he... Could be wrong, but didn't Andrew say, like, oh, well, Candace looked at her phone, maybe she got those answers? Like, well, I forgot what the context was for that, where he was like, yeah, she got, like, answers off of her phone.

@theamaz16827948And then I was like, when I was watching, I'm like, that's a bad idea, Andrew. Like, usually he never says stuff like that. Like, if someone's on the phone, like that, you don't want to accuse them of looking up the answers, you know? I mean, he does it with lefties, of course, when they're on, like, their PCs and stuff like that.

@theamaz16827948but like to do it like a face-to-face on the spot and they just look at the phone for like a second and put away to be like yeah you looked up the answers right there or you know you got that information I was like that's a bad move all she has to do is show her phone and it just proves like what what he's claiming and she immediately does it and they check the uh the phone and it has like nothing on it so I was like that that's that was a terrible move by him

@theamaz16827948I think that's mostly just his strategy, and I'm going to use a couple things that I don't know if you know who Warren Smith is on YouTube, but he says a couple things like, contend with the logic, don't attack the person, go after the logic. I feel like that's what Andrew was doing, was he was more so attacking the person rather than the logic itself.

@theamaz16827948Because he believes that if he discredits Candace Owens, that will discredit the information that she has. That's not really how it works. You know, some people can make mistakes. Candace Owens can make mistakes. You know, we're all human, of course. But it's about the information, right? And that's kind of what I wanted to change about myself when I go on Twitter.

@theamaz16827948It's like, instead of attacking the person for being, like, a Nazi, right? Why not look into what it is they actually believe? Do people have these feelings and this thought process and these opinions? Find out what these opinions are that makes it so good that someone actually has them and wants to share them. You want to engage with that.

@theamaz16827948Actually engage with the conspiracies rather than trying to discredit this individual and saying, oh, you don't have 100% concrete hard evidence. Well, then you shouldn't be saying the things that you're saying. It's just not going to go over well. A lot of normal people who are sort of getting into this sphere and getting interested in debates and questioning the narrative, when they look at that, they're just like, yeah, I don't really understand why you're attacking the person instead of the information.

Ian MalcolmWell, and obviously the moment that you start going after the person with the ad hominem is kind of the moment that oftentimes... Thank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmI mean, he starts moving it erratically, and it's just very telling of kind of the heightened sense of either anxiety, stress, or anything else. And by contrast, Candace Owens is just kind of cool and collected, almost maybe I'd say cool like a cucumber, but I think a pickle is maybe more appropriate given the challenge that Andrew Wilson had with the pickle jar.

Ian MalcolmBut that's a... A whole different conversation. I suppose that's an ad hominem, so we'll leave that one at the door. But why don't we go back over to Mr. Jay Wood. If anybody else does want to come up, certainly feel free. And if not, we'll go back to Kunji, Raed, and then check in with David perhaps for some parting words.

@jamesjacob94515Worst OnlyFans ever. I'm going to tell you that right now. It's 300 grand, and we didn't get anything. Like, just horrible. I didn't see any action. He paid all the money and just... Left. I'm confused what I'm supposed to see. I don't understand what's going on. But, you know, I will say this. One of the things, you know, that Ian pointed out, body language is extraordinarily important, especially when you, if everybody's watching you, you know, everybody's watching you, you really got to keep it together.

@jamesjacob94515If you got a chemical dependency or an addiction, public speaking probably isn't for you. Okay. Cigarettes and nicotine is a terrible, terrible vice. And you can see that with Andrew. He's suffering.

@nietzsche258918Or it could just be that he's suffering under the weight of his own lies.

@jamesjacob94515And then there's that. If you're not really sure of yourself, you're a paid shill, you're a non-liar.

@mohammedakunjeeI just need to weigh in on this. I have a terrible nicotine addiction. I like smoking, which is a bad thing. No one do it. But on an airplane or on a TV show, you can get Nicorette patches, you know, stave it off or a snood or something. So I think it's more than that. I don't think it's just down. I mean, if it's cocaine, then yeah, maybe.

@mohammedakunjeeBut if it's nicotine, there are so many other ways around the craving being put off.

@jamesjacob94515I'm sure he's got a serious cigarette addiction. And maybe he did, for the debate, probably tackle a nicotine patch or two. But it didn't seem to help very much, okay? If I didn't know better, he's got some serious issues, okay? And that's something that you know you're going into a large debate with Candace Owens and Patrick Beth David, and you're flying out.

@jamesjacob94515This is all your money, you know? So you have to look at this from a perspective of, okay, I'm gambling... My life's fortune, basically. He didn't have $300,000. He has to actually ask his fans to support and give him this money. Or, because initially on Joe Rogan, he said, we, then he said, I offer Kenneth $300,000. Now, Kenneth Owens initially said, okay, I'll take $500,000.

@jamesjacob94515And he didn't have $500,000. So he only has $300,000. She said, okay, fine, I'll take $300,000. So she compromised for this man. Now, if it were I, if it were me, And I know that this is my M&M, you only have one shot, you know, moment. I'm not going to fuck it up by not knowing the seven charges that are being placed on Tyler Robinson.

@jamesjacob94515Okay, I go into this meeting, this is 300 grand I don't have. I'm going unprepared. This man didn't do this. And this is what's weird to me, he's nervous. Like, if you've done the homework, If you've done the homework, you don't have to be nervous about anything. Unless you're just an asshole and you're just nervous. Something's not right about this.

@mohammedakunjeeOr it could be a guy who has done the homework and realizes he hasn't got an argument having done the homework, but already committed to a path where he's going to defend the indefensible.

@jamesjacob94515He's not very smart. So here's the thing. 300 grand you don't have. You've got a wife and children at home. And this is your decision. You decide, I'm going to go out on a limb. Get $300,000, give it to Candace Owens, and hopefully win this debate about a subject that I'm not really sure. I'm kind of sure. You know, I don't know how that's...

@jamesjacob94515It's very low IQ. It really is. I mean, I could take a mortgage out of my house, my rental properties, and get $300,000. I wouldn't gamble it on arguing with Candace Owens. That's fucking stupid. You know, so just a... It's a weird, it doesn't make any sense. There's something wrong with this man.

@mohammedakunjeeThere is a class of gambler who just loses everything but can't help but gamble, you know?

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But I mean, you pay this woman to argue with you. So I look at the numbers. So at certain points throughout the debate, Candace Owens had over a million people watching her, while Wilson had about 70,000 on his channel. And PBD had about 400,000 on his. So I don't know. It's a big gamble for not a lot of results, for not a lot of return on investment.

@jamesjacob94515I just don't see it. I don't know.

Speaker 3Let me interject, too, for one, what it's worth. I'm not going to let my hubris get in the way of my capabilities, by the way. There's plenty of women on this platform. There's plenty of other women that I will say would destroy me in a debate. JoAnn is one of them. Miss JoAnn, she would destroy me in a debate. DDG Politics, there's plenty of women on this platform.

Speaker 3Death for him.

@nietzsche258918For the record, as a woman, I would have destroyed you in a debate, but ever since the operation, that door is closed for me.

@jamesjacob94515I think his worst enemy is himself. The hubris and foolishness. He was very overly confident. His overconfidence. I don't know. If you get into fights, like when I was younger, I got into fights. I was a light-skinned black guy. Thank you for watching, and I'll see you next time.

@jamesjacob94515Ran through whores and prostitutes and baby mamas. Those are easy victories. That's not an intellectual battle, really. It's not a chess against checkers and Uno. It's not Magnus Carlsen-level chess. So he thinks himself as this great debater. But those are not hard matches to win. And that's the thing. He went in there very confident.

@nietzsche258918But no real intellectual does that, by the way. Christopher Hitchens was absolutely masterful. And he never went in saying, I'm a great debater. I mean, who would do that? You know, Richard Pryor famously said, don't introduce me as the funniest man in the world. Please don't do that. Right? No high IQ person would go in and say, but I do want to say this for everybody in the room, right?

@nietzsche258918What we care about, I think what our listeners care about, is the truth itself. This is a mere small, almost pygmy representation of the desire to obfuscate that truth. And it's simply not working. And I keep saying, and I think someone just now posted something similar to it, you don't need a countervailing theory to know that you're being lied to, and we know that we're being lied to.

@nietzsche258918And I would like to put this question to Ian Malcolm. So here we have someone who... I still love the OnlyFans analogy. It's so freaking funny. He basically like the best OnlyFans agreement ever. Candace Owens, you know, got paid $300,000 and she didn't even have to be in her PJs. So here's my question for you, Ian. What about Diligent Denison?

@nietzsche258918Why wouldn't Andrew Wilson? I'm pretty sure Diligent would be happy to talk to this guy for free, right? And they don't actually have to meet. They could just go on a space together. I don't know if they've done that. And Diligent is a citizen journalist. These people, including Candace Owens, are literally getting a lot of their material from the gumshoe detective work that Diligent and other citizen journalists like Sam Parker are doing.

@nietzsche258918And they're saying, well, this is an inconsistency. We've clearly been lied to about this, and this isn't true, and this isn't true. And doesn't that inspire incredulity? Doesn't that concern you? So don't you think it tells you something? That these people are trying to avoid people like Diligent Denizen and Sam Parker, who are literally doing the detective work, the citizen journalism, driving out these places like Panguitch, for instance, to get that receipt, and yet they're not talking to them.

@nietzsche258918I think they're choosing who they want to talk to, and irrespective of how bad it looks, they're still avoiding other people that really know the details on all this and really can tell you that there's actually for sure fed slop happening here. What do you think about that, Ian?

Ian MalcolmI couldn't agree with you more. And so I do agree that I think that Andrew Wilson was perhaps thinking, if I get Candace Owens to agree to something, it'll get me so much notoriety, good, bad or otherwise, that it will propel my career into the stratosphere. And I will then therefore be able to be, you know, valued either for some kind of television program or by Turning Point USA or whatever.

Ian MalcolmObviously, he won't get that coming in and debating. Diligent Dennison, right? He'll get some viewership and Diligent, gotta give him lots of kudos, right? Run some of the best spaces on X, but not anywhere near the same number of eyeballs. And the thing is, if Andrew Wilson had gone into Diligent's space, right, not only does he get less positive benefit from it, but the negative turnout, it's like it's only a lose-lose for him, I suppose.

Ian MalcolmIt's probably the right way to think about it. And I think part of that is has to do with the fact that he would have probably been better off if he had viewed the rooms with diligent as maybe a testing ground, right? He could have gone in and maybe he would have recognized some of the failures of his kind of comprehension of this subject, right?

Ian MalcolmHe probably would have done him very, very well. But that's the thing. He doesn't perceive any benefit in that. And to your point, David,

Ian MalcolmWatching her performance, it was pretty impressive. She had a really solid grasp of all this information in a way that he certainly did not. It's very apparent that she's been, you know, she even made the comment to Andrew Wilson, I don't think you're all that invested in this story. And obviously Candace has been. But at the end of it, you know, if I had to put my money on Diligent versus Candace Owens, if it was going to be a multiple choice quiz on their knowledge of everything and anything,

Ian MalcolmI might put my money on Dilligent, I gotta say, because he's been doing the hard work, right? To your point, he's been going out on site. He flew out so that he could be there for the first day of kind of the hearings, right? He's been putting in all the legwork and, you know, different people learn in different ways. But when you spend this much time, you're inevitably going to absorb a lot of it.

Ian MalcolmAnd so whether it's Dilligent, Denison, Sam Parker, Anna Escobar, I'll give credit to people like Stu Peters that have been talking about this a lot.

Ian Malcolmis the most obvious to people like Diligent Dennison or the critics that are attacking him for having the conversations because it's the same group of people that have been very upset with David yourself and JoAnn, Dr. Rechtenwald, myself, Sam Parker, Truth Teller. I'm noticing a pattern here. And so it's almost, you know, the lady doth protest too much and methinks that we might know why that is.

Ian Malcolmright and so it's all very it's very unusual but that that is why I think that you know this guy he's not going to come into rooms with diligent because he knows that he doesn't know this information he knows that he's going to probably get exposed and he knows that he's not going to get a whole lot of notoriety from it um by comparison to something like this thing with Candace Owens but I mean you're right the the price point of entry let's just say that uh that Andrew Wilson he would have gotten maybe a far better bang for the embarrassment box

Ian MalcolmI like that. That's an exciting noise. Straight from the Groypers. They really don't like us discussing these things. I do. I almost feel bad for those Groypers that got really excited for Andrew Wilson. Man, it would have been really hard to watch this if Candace Owens had gotten really... I'm curious for your thoughts on all of this.

Ian MalcolmNot sure if you saw the debate, if you did, what your thoughts on it were, and kind of how it's playing out, let's say, in the media sphere. Hey, how you doing? It's good to be here.

@rectheregimeYeah, I did listen to it. And I think most of it, most of it, probably 95%. And yeah, I mean, look, the guy was not really like, one of the things I would say he failed to do was to study the theories of the opponent. He didn't seem to have any knowledge of what Candace Owens had said. Apparently, he so much despised his opponent that he couldn't study her.

@rectheregimeSo I think that was a failure on his part. And I think also, like, he didn't seem to know the basics of the case. Like, what were the counts against, you know, Tyler Robinson? Like, what are the, you know, he didn't seem to know a lot about it. And like, likewise, you know, she said, you don't seem very invested in this.

@rectheregimeAnd that's... That was a good kind of statement to make. I mean, I would think that the guy more or less defaulted. I don't think it was a fair fight. The guy kind of defaulted. It was like he really didn't perform that well. So it was kind of like a default. And I think it was a default loss. Basically, he got a TKO. He knocked himself out.

Ian MalcolmHe threw an uppercut at his own chin.

@rectheregimeHe went down for the count. Yeah, exactly. He knocked himself out of there. Basically, you don't admit, like, you don't try to say at the end, you know, I think this was basically a stalemate. What? You don't say that. That is abdicating the possibility of a win, first of all, and it's a plea. That's special pleading saying, please don't hurt me anymore.

@rectheregimeThat's what that is. So that was really stupid on his part. I don't like these celebrity duels or any of this stuff very much, to be honest. I've often said, and this is just an aside, it doesn't matter whether it registers that hard or not, but it seems to me that at the very moments when we're fighting to stop the assault on the Palestinians and all this,

@rectheregimeThese celebrities get into these duels and it takes the attention away from us from trying to do something else. And I'm not saying podcasting is not doing something. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that that's not action. I'm not saying that at all. I think everything is an action. But what I'm getting at is that these celebrity types like Fuentes and Candace Owens and all these, I'm not saying they're definitely doing it, but the...

@rectheregimeThank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmThe more moderately minded folks who might not have been paying attention to the ins and outs of this trial, do you think there's some segment of those individuals that might see some of these clips and be persuaded to maybe reconsider their thoughts around the mainstream narrative? Or do you think the mainstream media is just going to put out their spin and say the things they will, and it's not really going to do anything for our cause here?

@rectheregimeYeah, I mean, I wouldn't... Here's the thing. So... I think it's dangerous to stake too much on these kinds of events and these kinds of arguments and issues because I'm not saying the people that are doing it are wrong and I'm not saying that the criticisms of the mainstream narrative are wrong. I'm just saying that the critiques

@rectheregimeIf we hang too much on winning this kind of a battle, then we're putting too much stakes on this kind of stuff. I think we need to not hang our... I'm not going to hang my reputation on this issue, whether Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, or whether it was Israel, or whether it was the state in connection with Mossad, which is probably what I actually think, but I'm not going to stake my whole...

@rectheregimeThank you very much.

@rectheregimeI think that where I stand is I'm extremely skeptical of the mainstream narrative just because of history. I mean, look how many times they put up patsies and assassinated people using a patsy as a deflection. They did that with JFK. They did it with RFK. RFK was shot by supposedly Sirhan Saran, this so-called supposed Palestinian

@rectheregimeI'm just not going to say I know that. I don't. I'm just saying it probably is, but I don't know it for sure.

Ian MalcolmNo, very reasonably stated. And for what it's worth, the current poll, and obviously I think it's safe to say that our audience might have a bias here going into this, but nonetheless, of 533 votes tallied thus far, 90% voting in favor of Candace Owens over Andrew Wilson. Pretty impressive. Pretty directionally telling.

Ian MalcolmLet's check in with IQviaJQ2. Oh, sorry. Go ahead, David.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, and I do want to say for Michael that there's a difference here. And the JFK patsy was taken out. And I don't think if this guy is a patsy that he was intended to live. Because the narrative of the state is not just full of holes. It's full of lies. I mean, now they're walking away from things. They've destroyed so much evidence.

@nietzsche258918And the other big difference here is they need Tyler Robinson to be guilty. Everybody, don't take my word for it, take everybody on the Israeli side. I even asked someone who is admittedly representing Israel in diligence space, why is it so important that Tyler Robinson is guilty and guilty alone? And his answer was, well, because so many of you think that if it's not him, it's Israel.

@nietzsche258918I mean, well, that's an odd admission because what you're saying is that it's binary. What you're saying is his innocence or guilt doesn't matter to you, that something political matters to you. And then I thought, well, you know, I kind of understand that because let's say Tyler Robinson is found innocent. The only other party with pages and pages of motivation is Israel.

@nietzsche258918The second most important person in America to Israel was Charlie Kirk, behind Donald Trump himself, and they own him, they bought him and paid for him, and they're getting what they paid for. But Charlie Kirk represented the only group that they had a chance of keeping, of salvaging, which is the under 40 conservative male.

@nietzsche258918And then all of a sudden, those people are listening to Charlie Kirk and then by extension, Tucker Carlson and then Dave Smith. And then what were those people doing? They were making Charlie Kirk's constituency, if you want to put it that way, walk away from Israel. And that is over. That is Armageddon for Israel. Charlie Kirk said before he died three heretical things.

@nietzsche258918One, that Israel and Epstein were working together. That Epstein worked with the Mossad. Yes, he said that. That basically Epstein was running a child sex trafficking blackmail operation to extort politicians at the expense of children who were being raped and murdered in order to extort our politicians to help them murder other kids halfway around the world.

@nietzsche258918Charlie Kirk said that. That was heretical. That's an anti-Semitic thing from their point of view. They say this themselves. Number two, that the October 7th narrative didn't add up. Charlie Kirk thought there was something staged about that event. Again, heretical. And then the last thing, of course, is that he thought that Israel was going to assassinate him because he refused their blood money.

@nietzsche258918He was walking away from them, at least ideologically, irrespective of whether he was, I think he always would have said they had a right to exist. So suppose Tyler Robinson is found innocent. Everybody looks at Israel. Now, suppose that's the case. That is a house of cards, and I've said this on Diligent Space, that collapses because then we'll look at them for everything else.

@nietzsche258918Once we stop being guilted, into reticence about, gosh, it seems like the giant arrow from space is pointing at one group of people with regard to JFK, with regard to 9-11, with regard to this, and we're saying, we're going to investigate this now. Bring back the dancing Israelis. Let those FBI files go. Let's hear everything.

@nietzsche258918Let's see everything out of the Epstein files. So, yes, they seem like, for good reason now, don't you think? that all their eggs are oddly in the basket of this one little guy being convicted alone and by himself. Doesn't that seem odd to you, Dr. Recktenwald?

@rectheregimeOh yeah, absolutely. And a matter of fact, I mean, what was also very odd, of course, is that Netanyahu rushed, rushed to, you know, exculpate himself in Israel moments after the assassination. I mean, he comes out and says, we didn't do it. We didn't do it. I mean, that was very suspicious. I mean, come on. And that means also that there's some recognition on their part.

@rectheregimeThey know. They know that we know. They know we know. They know we know. You know, the whole thing. It's all pretty much up in... They know that we know.

Speaker 8It's almost a part of our humiliation ritual. They're trying to humiliate us as public viewers.

@rectheregimeAbsolutely, 100%. It's a humiliation ritual. Stick it in your face and we can do it blatantly right in front of your face and we can stick it down your throat and it's blatant and wide open. Look, the crimes they commit are on the surface. We hardly have to dig for these extra ones. There's so many crimes that they commit that are completely on the surface that you just follow...

@rectheregimeAnd these are individuals, too, in a lot of cases, of course, committing, you know, child trafficking and pederasty and, you know, pedophilia and so on and so forth.

Speaker 8It's rampant, man. It's worldwide. It's not even, like, I'm in a fucking middle of nowhere, bro. I'm Canada. And we see it everywhere, bro. In Canada. We're in middle of nowhere, bro.

@rectheregimeHumiliation ritual, and I'll give you a good example, Dr. Reckman-Wald.

@nietzsche258918The Tom Aleksandrovich One

@nietzsche258918Israel knows they have a pedophile. He goes back. This is a guy who bragged about deplatforming. He's a higher up technologically in the Israeli government. Bragged about deplatforming over 50,000 Americans. Ha ha, I'm a pedophile. I got away with it. What does Netanyahu do? Ha ha, he's a pedophile. We got him. He's our buddy.

@nietzsche258918He got away with it. And then what does Donald Trump's administration do? Ha ha, he's a pedophile. We're letting him get away with it. After all, they don't have to. They could just stop the check until he comes back. None of this happens. Isn't that an example of an humiliation ritual?

@rectheregimeYeah, absolutely, that is. I mean, I think they put Trump through these all the time as well. They may as well have him spinning on the top. It's ridiculous. They put him through these paces and he obliges every single time. But yeah, I mean, look, I think you're right about this. This would be monumental. I mean, if we could really find out...

@rectheregimeWho killed Charlie Kirk and what, you know, we already know what the motives are. And we find out and pin it to them. And it's like you said, it's the floodgates that open it.

@nietzsche258918But not even if we find out, right? Because if Tyler Robinson is found innocent, then oh my gosh, all you people spent billions of dollars lying to us. And the lie absolutely had to be true. And where is it going to be a reverse? Where is it going to be an honest humiliation ritual where you humble yourself and you say, we really, really, really needed it to be true.

@nietzsche258918Okay, well, why? We don't even need to find the perp to ask you that question. He's innocent. You guys were trying to... Remember when Demonica Kirk stood up 11 days later and said, I forgive him? She was pronouncing him guilty. She was saying to everyone... Lynch, this guy, that was a psychological public lynching before a guy had really, before even preliminary hearings had started.

@nietzsche258918Like, no ifs, ands, or buts, no nobody else.

@rectheregimeDisguised as a gracious act of forgiveness, what a slimy move that is. That's extremely, extremely duplicitous and cunning, right? I mean, seriously.

@nietzsche258918But remember, she doesn't defend Candace Owens. She doesn't defend Candace. So Charlie Kirk's good friend, and by the way, I'm not really big into interracial marriages, but there's one that should have happened. Because Charlie Kirk would have, he would have had someone who would just viciously defend him. She loved Charlie Kirk.

@nietzsche258918They were dear friends. And of course, he ended up obviously marrying a demon from hell. I'm sorry, she's a demon. I'm not going to give her any quarter. This thing we're all supposed to go nice with her. She's clearly, look, look at her. Come on. She's clearly a demon. Use your own insight, your own discernment.

@jamesjacob94515I have to agree with David on this. My wife celebrated after I got killed. I got fucking shot in the neck in front of everybody. And she's like fireworks and hugging J.D. Vance. I had to come back from the fucking dead. I will tell you this.

@nietzsche258918I will tell you this. I lost my dog a few years ago. And it was a lot harder on me than... I mean, I took a week off from work. It was a lot harder on me than it was for her to watch her husband get taken out in front of the world. I'm sorry. It's just... Bullshit, okay? Just everybody just do that, right? Don't hedge it.

@nietzsche258918Don't do anything. Just say the thing. But getting back, Dr. Recktenwald, but the fact that she doesn't forgive anybody that's saying, I love Charlie Kirk and we need to chase down all these other leads because, gosh, someone else may be involved. So does she do the Jackie Kennedy thing where she says, no, one dirty little commie didn't do this alone?

@nietzsche258918Does she do at least the honorable, the honest, the normal thing that any other human would do? Come on, we all have loved ones. If there was even the possibility of someone else involved, you'd be like, damn it, you better chase down that lead too. But no, no, no, this is the one person... She's got to shut it down. Say again?

@rectheregimeShe's got to shut it down, yeah. Right.

@nietzsche258918She's not going to... And she won't forgive them, right? She forgives this guy. So, clearly, hypocrisy is a feeble word to describe that.

@rectheregimeShe doesn't forgive him at all. Like you said, she basically hung him in the public square. That wasn't forgiveness. That was actually a death sentence.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, that was a lynching, basically.

Ian MalcolmWell, let's go to checking with IQviaJQ, and then we'll go over to Mr. Wise, and then Scott.

Speaker 9Thanks, Ian. Man, it was quite a debate. And congrats to David on transitioning. But now that you are of the female species, shouldn't you believe all women? What is going on? You should be believing the moniker. But look, you know when Charlie first got shot, it didn't take long for me to suspect Jews in Israel. And then once I started looking into the things he was saying before, even Ben Shapiro's eyebrows in that one conversation they had, I was like, yeah, they killed him.

Speaker 9And I was kind of shouting in the groups like, guys, it's the Jews. Let's be real. Come on. And the thing is, for me, is like, whether they expose the Epstein stuff or the Charlie Kirk, whichever one they do, it's going to have like a domino effect and it's just all going to blow up in their face. So I'm like, I already know that Jews killed, let's say Jewish supremacists killed Kirk and Israel killed Kirk.

Speaker 9I already know this. Who else was complicit? That's a whole different story. But you know what pisses me off about, let's say the Groipers, the Maga types and all the people kind of eating up all the Fetslop is, They want some kind of officialness. They just assume the FBI is on their side. We all know that they are not, that they're covering it up.

Speaker 9Kash Patel can't even see what's in front of him because of how his eyes are positioned. How could we possibly believe in these people who are clearly covering up the Epstein files? Use your intuition, guys. But there's some kind of entitlement. Our institutions would handle this. They would never pave over the crime scene.

Speaker 9They would never do XYZ. It's like the days where we can rely on our official institutions are over. And given that that's the case, what should we do next? Guess what we should do next? Exactly what we've been all doing. Asking questions, investigating, looking for receipts, inferring. That's the best we got. We're not going to get like an official investigation.

Speaker 9The people who should be doing that are literally covering it up. So what do you expect is going to happen? And yet they want us to bring that level of seriousness, that level of expertise into the investigation. And one thing about the whole, you know, I forgive him thing, right? It kind of reminds me of when they're like, do you condemn Hamas?

Speaker 9Because if you do condemn Hamas, then you automatically side with Israel. They do these little tricks and honestly, they're getting old. But I think Pickle Boy really got destroyed and there's no defending him, to be honest.

Ian MalcolmYeah, I would, I'd agree with that takeaway. And again, I went into it and obviously I had a bias against Wilson. And that's not baked in a, let's say, infatuation with the ideology of Candace Owens. It's not like I was cheering against him because I was cheering for Candace Owens. I was kind of watching it with a... Thank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmI know all seven of the charges and then couldn't name one. That was to me just the most astonishing piece because it really, it signaled his indifference to being caught just dead to rights, intellectually dishonest. And when somebody is that willing to just lie and to just not own their ignorance, it's impossible to take anything else that even remotely face value.

Ian MalcolmBut let's go in with, let's check in with Scott and then we'll go to Dr. Strange. We'll see if Joey wants to jump in, and if not, we'll go to American and then Daryl.

@d2thedreThank you, Ian. Thank you, JoAnn, David. You guys are awesome. This is my first time speaking in a long time, so just so grateful for the opportunity. I don't know if anybody's mentioned this yet. I kind of came in late, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak, but the one thing that I think that has been lost with everybody keeps talking about...

@d2thedreAll this debate did was keep the division going, you know what I mean? Both had their sides and they're going to stick to their sides and all that. Well, the one thing that I want to just bring up just a little bit is that Candace didn't ever want to debate this guy. Not once. She had no desire. She didn't care about the money.

@d2thedreShe had no desire to have this debate because she knew from the very beginning that this guy was a lousy piece of shit. Excuse my language, but... Yeah, she just knew that he wasn't worthy of her time and no amount of money. She didn't care. But then she found out other secrets that, you know, he was being funded through TPUSA and all that stuff.

@d2thedreSo she was like, yeah, I'm going to, yeah, let's just go ahead and do this. You know what I'm saying? So she came, that was a lot of peer pressure and probably a lot of followers. And then finally, when she found out that there was actually other people putting this money in, she was willing to take that and put it towards his children.

@d2thedreThat's the one thing that I wanted to bring out. I don't know if anybody else has brought that out. I just thought that was an important issue because everybody's talking about this division has continued to be. Well, it's not a division that didn't happen organically because it happened because we blatantly seen something that they told us we didn't see.

@d2thedreYou know, the evidence is overwhelming that it didn't go down like they're saying it did. And I think Baron Coleman brought up a very good point that Tyler Robinson threw a big monkey wrench in their plans when he turned himself in and put himself in custody because they wanted to kill him and then say, hey, we got the guy.

@d2thedreYou know what I mean? Like, that's what I kind of feel. Like, that's a true statement. And he is just... Being alive has been what's really killing their whole investigation in my... My personal opinion. So I'll drop it out with that. And thanks for letting me speak, Ian. I am working now and praise God for that. And so thankful for that.

@d2thedreI can't thank you enough, Ian, JoAnn, True Teller, David, Christopher, all you people that have prayed for me. I just so, I can't thank you enough. It's overwhelming gratitude to each and every one of you that let me talk. Let me listen and glean from your guys' wisdom and knowledge of what's going on in this world. So thank you again, and I'll drop down.

@d2thedreThank you.

Ian MalcolmOh, so much love, Scott. And congratulations on the professional maneuver and all the best in terms of that start. And we're always praying for you in here, my friend, as well as for everybody, right? We're a little team of, we're a band of misfits, and yet we seem to keep getting things right. And Scott, that was a wonderful call out there.

Ian MalcolmI actually forgot that angle, that Candace Owens wanted nothing to do with this guy and kept kind of trying to shoo him off. And his persistence, I think he turned into essentially a mosquito. He didn't do himself any favors. But very, very well called out there, my friend. God bless. Certainly Godspeed on the new endeavors, professionally speaking.

Ian MalcolmAlways in here praying for you and very excited for when you are able to join us. Let's go over to Dr. Strange and then we'll go to Mr. James again.

@submission2tIan, I need a few seconds.

Ian MalcolmWell, in that case, let's go straight to James and then we'll come back to you.

@jamesjacob94515You know, watching him beg her, watching this man beg this woman to take this money has got to be... It has got to be the worst... And just an indictment on the manhood of 2026. This man went out of his way to beg this woman. He went on every show, every chance he got to say, he's debating me on Joe Rogan. He did everything he could to give her this money that he didn't have.

@jamesjacob94515And it's just, I'm confused at the stupidity. Like, if I were him, like I said earlier, if I were him, I would seriously consider suicide on that flight back to wherever he's from. Because he's like, looking at that GoFundMe and it's like at $80,000, he's still out of $210,000. He's got to be saying, Jesus Christ, I'm down $200,000.

@jamesjacob94515What have I done? And that would be... How do you... I just don't look at... You go home, look at your wife and say, baby, I don't know what to say. And I am... What? You could have bought me like a Ferrari. I mean, good. God, sir. You got kids.

Ian MalcolmHe's out of Ferrari and all of his integrity and credibility.

@nietzsche258918Meanwhile, Candace's husband high-fives her the moment the door closes. They both put their hands over their mouth. Can you believe that? We didn't even have to leave the house.

@jamesjacob94515I know. And that's the crazy... Like, talk about a good Friday. You know? Mother... Like, 300 G's in the bank and it's Friday. Like, I mean, they're celebrating at the Owens house. Or at the farm, her official name here in Tennessee, her name is actually Candace Farmer. But for the purposes of the show and her business, she's Candace Owens.

@jamesjacob94515I don't know. Yeah, people don't really know that.

@nietzsche258918Well, for the record, I reposted your OnlyFans comment. Our dear friend Ian Carroll has already liked it. So, yeah, I think that's... I don't know if anybody else wants to look at it.

@jamesjacob94515But the thing is this, you know, I haven't met Candace Owens. A friend of mine has that works security for, like... He knows her, and she's a nice lady, really nice lady. But I would say this, you know, to go home $200,000 lighter than I left, and the whole internet is clowning you to the point where I just saw a buddy of mine send me a thing where Andrew Wilson says, good night, Twitter.

@jamesjacob94515He's just logging off of the day. And yeah, I don't know how he thought this would go. It's like he didn't pay attention. His own ego got in the way. His humor is like, good God, dude. I was getting in fights and I won most of my fights, but not all of them. I got whooped really bad. And that's a humbling experience. You need to get beat like this in order to get some humility back.

@jamesjacob94515That's an important thing in life. You need to humble yourself. This guy thought he was facing another OnlyFans chick, a ran-through chick that's got like 800 bodies and she can't tell her crew she's from a hole in the ground and she has bad faith. No. Candace has been for Congress. She's talked to the president. She's a well-traveled, she was on tour with Charlie Kirk for years and debates and going to colleges.

@jamesjacob94515I don't know what he was thinking. 200 grand, bro!

@nietzsche258918And I want to ask this to Ian Malcolm. Don't you think that's kind of part of it? These people live in echo chambers. Well-funded echo chambers. And they've spent a lifetime making it so that they don't have to hear. We are, and I give Charlie Kirk credit for doing this as well, we're always the iron sharpening iron. And these people are just not prepared.

@nietzsche258918They're oddly unprepared. And lacking in self-awareness, In addition to that, unpreparedness. So isn't that the problem, Ian? Isn't that why they tend to look so bad? Is they're not out there consciously. All we have is our ideas. All we have is the truth. These people live in echo chambers where they don't have to have that iron sharpening iron.

@nietzsche258918What do you think about that, Ian?

Ian MalcolmDavid, that is so... Oh, go for it, James.

@jamesjacob94515Well, let me say this real quick. David's 100% right. Actually, he's 1,000% right. 10,000% right. Because I'll tell you this. As a Black man myself, a Black conservative, I go into FBA spaces, but I don't go there anymore. When they invite me, they yell at me and call me coon and names and stuff. I go in there to defend my point.

@jamesjacob94515And that's very difficult. So you have to get practice at actually defending yourself against all kinds of attacks. And that's the thing. Sometimes I come against guys who have some good points. But ultimately, a lot of times they're flawed in a lot of their things. But the actual, like David said, iron sharpens iron. It's a Proverbs scripture.

@jamesjacob94515If you're in an echo chamber where you really don't listen to your critics, you're not getting any stronger. And here's the thing, he's not facing any tough opposition. He hasn't really won a debate against a man outright that I know of. Now, it's easy to debate a bunch of lesbians, OnlyFans girls, and women who just don't know a lot about what they're talking about.

@jamesjacob94515That's easy. But to my knowledge, who has he actually beaten?

Ian MalcolmI don't think anybody. And to David's point, it is kind of interesting. And David, it's why I think we've gotten to the point, I see Colin down there, for example, and Raed. and between some of us and David, certainly yourself, JoAnn, James, I see so many others that have been talking about these issues, certainly Dr. Rechtenwald, Truth Teller, I got to always call out Bruce Banner, who if you make him angry, he becomes the Hulk, right?

Ian MalcolmAnd the thing that's crazy is all the way back to JQ Radio, right? Before I would even go into Suleiman's room and then ultimately Truth and I went in there a good little bit. And I feel like You know, we were welcome one, welcome all, right? It was like, come in and explain how we are wrong. And we almost found it enjoyable, right?

Ian MalcolmI would go into Suleiman's room knowing that I was going to be the crazy guy that wanted to talk about Israel and the Jews. And I would get pushed back on. And David, the craziest thing, there's a clip that I've got somewhere on my timeline, which has some of the folks that James is just referencing there. It had a lot of the MAGA people.

Ian MalcolmI was just kind of, and I like this visual, I was like a little kid walking in and all the adults are sitting around and they've all been so,

Ian MalcolmI'm just like, hey guys, look at these weird facts I've gotten. They're like, no, no, no. And I'll never forget in the punch bowl. Oh God, some of the absolute worst. Isn't it weird that like half of the people that were in the room two years ago from that group, they just frequent stealth medical spaces now. I'm sure that's just, just a total coincidence, right?

Ian MalcolmAnd so there I was and I was like, guys, I think there's a problem behind, you know, some of these issues. and they're like, well, what's that? Well, let's talk about the media. And so there I go on my little tirade and they go, well, who funds all the media? And I was like. Well, I mean, I can tell you that answer too.

Ian MalcolmAnd they go, it's the pharma industry. And I go, oh, it's pharma. So is it Pfizer? Who's the top Pfizer? And at some point we go through this little litany of the COVID copies and they go, we don't like your kind here. Well, what kind is that that we're referencing? It's not like I'm up here and I'm speaking in riddles or poems.

Ian MalcolmThank you so much for joining us.

Ian Malcolmthrough the mud at 19 years old by the mainstream media because he wrote in an email that he thought would be a private note, I don't want to work for a Jew, thanks, Austin, right? Had his entire life upended and effectively destroyed by media personalities who said, including John Lonsdale, literally the co-founder of Palantir, right?

Ian MalcolmThe guy was like, we have to destroy him. He wrote that on Twitter. Show them no mercy. A billionaire Jewish guy, right?

@nietzsche258918And then- Saying that he had to destroy a kid.

Ian MalcolmYeah, a little kid. Joe Lonsdale, go get him. Dox him, says the guy who literally owns the company that was contracted by the White House to build a public database on all Americans. Let that one sit in for a second. Just think about that, right? Destroy him, dox him, reveal his information. And even then, after everything that Austin Franco has gone through-

Ian MalcolmSomebody in the space yesterday said, well, why don't you disclose the people that gave you that bad impression that made you not want to work with a Jew? Why don't you use your fame now and your microphone to embarrass them? And he said, that's not what I want to do, right? I'm not going to become that thing. I'm not going to be the monster, right?

Ian MalcolmThat is essentially, you could say that's our Achilles heel. I think that that's actually, and kind of funny that we're talking about Achilles, right? Given that the Odyssey is out. So that was, that was, That was his heel, right? That was Achilles' one weakness. But there's a line in that film. My memory is a strange thing.

Ian MalcolmThere's a line in the film of Troy with Brad Pitt playing Achilles. What a wonderful casting choice that was, right? And he says in that moment, because it was Achilles, he's essentially almost a god, but he has a weakness, right? Because when he's dipped in the water, they held him by the heel. And he says in that movie, Brad Pitt, he says basically that you humans...

Ian MalcolmWe're essentially eternal. We're invincible. It doesn't matter if we're certainly, we're all flawed. We're able to recognize those flaws. It's why we sharpen our arguments and why when we go into these spaces after having, just like Achilles, we've been in a lot of battles, right? We know the moves. We know when to duck, to dodge, to dive.

Ian MalcolmWhat are the other things in dodgeball, right? Whatever they might be. So we're invincible. We're untouchable by the opposition and whether it's dodgeballs or swords or just lies, We're able to so easily detect them, to dodge and deflect them, and to come back with just a piece of truth that makes them look so foolish.

Ian MalcolmSo it's why we're gonna continue winning. David, I fully agree with you, absolutely. They live in an echo chamber, they share their lies, all the sheep nod along, and then we're like, well, I mean, here's why you're incorrect on that. They just don't know what to do. because they haven't experienced it. I don't know what Andrew Wilson thought was going to happen in that debate, but the smug look on his face and then to Dr. Rechtenwald's comment, right?

Ian MalcolmHe goes in all arrogant and confident, making fun of this woman, saying that she's a tard, right? Because all women, I suppose, are if you're Andrew Wilson. And yet by the end, he's pleading to the audience, please walk away thinking that this was a draw because he's so desperate for anything. Just unbelievable. So I do have a funny little clip that Ian Carroll and a couple other folks have shared.

Ian MalcolmI'll go ahead and play that. But before we do, why don't we check in with Dr. Strange again really quickly, and I'll load that up in the background.

@submission2tHey, Ian. Great space as usual. Really appreciate that you're giving me the mic. It's good to hear from various people, and I saw parts of the debate, so I'd like to actually go back and see the whole thing over again. But from what I saw, it does begs to ask the question, why would he do this, right? I mean, of all people in the world, I would say that Candace knows the intricate details of this case more than anybody else, can defend her positions, and also she's very articulate.

@submission2tWhy would you do that? I'm beginning to think that he probably went in there to probably bug her house and put listening devices. It couldn't have been that Andrew Wilson is going to go in and debate her on the facts of this case. But nevertheless, let's see what comes out of it later. But in addition, look, I want to go back to something David said.

@submission2tYou know, for the past... I don't know, 10, 11 months, we constantly hear from Benjamin Netanyahu and others that, oh, you know, Charlie Kirk loved Israel. And that got me thinking, because I really didn't watch much of Charlie Kirk when he was alive, the stuff that he had said. So I went back and actually looked at all the stuff that he was saying about Israel and Jews in America.

@submission2tHowever, and I will say this, the behavior file...

Speaker 10However, and I will say this, the behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away.

@joann_marieNot like we're going to be pro-Hamas.

@submission2tNot like we're gonna, but we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite. Okay, this next clip is when he actually questions the October 7th narrative. And this was five days later. He was on the Patrick Bette David show, which was aired on October 12th, 2023.

@submission2tAnd this is like a cardinal sin for what he did for the Zionists and the Israelis.

Ian MalcolmI still have the same gut instinct that I did initially.

@submission2tI find this very hard to believe. I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that's an IDF soldier.

Ian MalcolmThe whole country is surveilled. And so let me just kind of go through this. We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this. The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war. It's not an exaggeration. This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution.

Ian MalcolmThat's not an exaggeration, right? But I think some questions need to be asked. Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it. Israel's the size of New Jersey. When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border, it's 45 minutes. Six hours. Did somebody in the government say, stand down?

Ian MalcolmThat is a legitimate non-conspiracy question. The whole country is the IDF. The whole country is. Gotta be careful the way I say this. They're gonna try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. I mean, that's, and I don't use that term lightly, okay? They're talking about basically removing 2.5 million people from there, okay? And let me tell you, my pattern recognition over the last five years

Ian Malcolmhas become pretty sharp. COVID, Maui fires, Epstein. When I see a story and it doesn't click, our guts are usually right.

@submission2tAll right, so this next one is on Epstein.

@submission2tThat Epstein, with his little friend Ghislaine and Ghislaine's father, Robert Maxwell, who is obviously a spy of the Israeli intelligence agencies, But there was something else going on here.

Ian MalcolmEpstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager.

@submission2tEpstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. Epstein was cast for a specific role, and he played it really well. The sweatpants and the Harvard jacket. The kind of disheveled hair. Looking as if he was so smart and above the clouds that he was doing advanced mathematic equations on the back of napkins. But if you actually go into some of the videos of people that met with Epstein at the time, they said he was awfully unimpressive when it came to finance and markets and economics.

@submission2tIt's nothing new that if you're in the intel agencies, you want to try and get as much blackmail on powerful people as possible.

Ian MalcolmEasy, not hard.

@submission2tAnd this is no longer just speculation. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Maybe he was just a guy that countries would go to and park a couple hundred million bucks and say, hey, can you get one of the members of the royal family with a 13-year-old so we can get them to do what we want to do?

@submission2tMembers of Congress are actively being blackmailed. is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. He was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi-decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet.

@submission2tIt's on Jewish communities and donors. ...have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. Now, I don't like generalizations. Not every Jewish person believes that. But it is true the Anti-Defamation League was part and parcel with Black Lives Matter. It is true that some of the largest financiers of left-wing anti-white causes have been...

@submission2tMark Rowan, Leon Coffman

@submission2tSo that's totally true. And by the way, Tucker Carlson reinforces this.

Ian MalcolmIt was quite a day on the internet. Tucker Carlson was interviewing Candace Owens. We have Candace Owens coming up next hour.

@submission2tAnd Tucker Carlson mentions that Jewish Americans... have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas. We said this, by the way, last week, and people came after us. We actually said it in a different way. We said, I'm glad that Jewish Americans are reconsidering their financing of cultural Marxism. And people misunderstood it intentionally and slandered us as being anti-Semites.

@submission2tBut listen to this. Tucker Carlson is completely correct by saying this, that the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.

Ian MalcolmAnd Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do, a lot of decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border neoliberal quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews.

@submission2tAnd now it's coming for Jews, and they're like, what on earth happened? And it's not just the colleges. It's the non-profits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it. It's like, time for you guys to wake up and say no more, draw a line in the sand. I don't care if you hate me.

@rectheregimeI mean, it sounds like the Groypers got behind the wrong guy. I mean, this is unbelievable.

@submission2tThat's so true.

Ian MalcolmI mean, it sounds like Charlie Kirk came into some JQ Radio spaces and... Can you imagine... He's been listening. Well, that's the thing. Dr. Rechtenwald, can you imagine if, in fact, Charlie Kirk at one point or another just stumbled upon JQ Radio and heard a couple hours and was like... I might have just kind of reshaped my worldview and then had gone forward and if perhaps the horrors had not played out.

Ian MalcolmCan you imagine if he had aligned with something like ASAPAC, right? And he was intellectually connected with all of us, taking some of these ideas, going out to tens of millions of people on his network and saying, guys, I don't hate anybody, but this is really weird and it seems like they're destroying our country. Can you imagine what that or how that would have played out?

@rectheregimeThat would have been amazing. I mean, here's the thing. Charlie Kirk and I did know each other. I mean, we had instant message on here, and I worked for him. I actually did talks for Talking Point USA, or whatever the hell it's called again. I did talks for them at some point. They were doing these anti-communist shit, and I was giving talks on anti-communism.

@rectheregimeThey, yeah, so what I'm getting at is Charlie Kirk was faced, man. I mean, and he was getting this, he had inside information. I mean, this is a guy that's seeing the donors. He knows them by name. He's shaking their hands. They've given him checks. He knows who these people are and he's calling them out. It was huge. And so that anybody dismisses this idea that Charlie Kirk did not notice,

@rectheregimeMichael, Michael, there's a few more clips if it's okay with you, shorter ones, but he gets a lot better. Sorry about that.

@submission2tNo, that's okay. I'm glad you interjected. So this is 48 hours before his assassination. He was actually on a show with Ben Shapiro.

@submission2tAnd one thing a friend sent to me, interestingly, which is, okay, Charlie, we push back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border. Maybe we should also ask a question, does the media totally present the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question, you know, that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says, because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot more critical questions over the last couple of years.

@submission2tSo, Ben, some people would accuse... Israel Wanting to Ethnically Cleanse

@submission2tThis is a montage, David, and I'll be sharing it with you folks. It's one large video of all these clips put together.

@submission2tSo the next part is about criticizing Israel. I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government about backlash than actual Israelis do. And that's really, really weird, isn't it, Megan?

Speaker 11It's so wrong-headed.

@submission2tAnd now there's... He speaks about people who are calling for his removal... as head of TPUSA, Zionists who are trying to push him out, and anti-Semitic charges against him, Meghan and Tucker.

@submission2tBut I'm the anti-Semite? Put up this tweet. Ben Domenech. If Charlie Kirk remains the head of TPUSA, the right has an anti-Semite problem that will follow them into coming elections. Ben Domenech calling for regime change at Turning Point USA. Someone should probably inform him. That's not going to happen. The only play that Ben Dominic has is regime change, take him out, call a revolution, launch a coup.

@submission2tThat's all he knows.

@submission2tEric Erickson. At this point, TPUSA is looking not like just a grifting operation, but an anti-Semitic grifting operation. Right, yeah, we have 400 plus employees with thousands of high school and college campuses across the country. Turning Point Action is recruiting thousands of precinct committeemen. We have TPUSA-based Turning Point Academy.

@submission2tBlacksit, Campus Tours, and what do you do? Eric Erickson. You know, it's really easy to kind of sit on your tail and say, you're an anti-Semite, you're an anti-Semite. It's intellectually sloppy and lazy, and it does such harm to our movement. And I predicted this last week. Little did I know I'd be the recipient of it, but honestly, bring it up.

Ian MalcolmI saw last week, I said, there's a coming conservative, you could call civil war, that's probably no exaggeration, but just

@submission2tNasty chapter coming. Collision. We called it. We predicted it. Because I saw the temperature rate rising up. An ideological collision. And here I am, with a whole career built, proudly and still repeatedly, defending the Holy Land. And I say, hey, there's a New York Times article here that says that Kfar Azzah, 20 hours.

@submission2tIt took 20 hours to get people rescued. According to the New York Times, the shortest rescue was 8.5 hours. And then another eight hours at the festival and 13 hours at Ber-Rehi. But you're not allowed to say that. Apparently. You get called an anti-Semite by Ben Dominic and Eric Erickson.

@submission2tHere's the point. Is that after COVID, after Ukraine, after the vaccine, after all this stuff, yeah, we ask questions. But you're not allowed to do that anymore. If not, you get... Attacked so relentlessly as being called an anti-Semite?

@submission2tand Tucker is in the same category and they've tried to go after Tucker. And the more you attack our moral character, actually the more we're gonna double down in direction because I don't do it that way, okay? Tell me I'm wrong, cool. Tell me if I've got my facts wrong. By the way, the Epstein thing, Naftali Bennett says he wasn't an Epstein agent.

@submission2tWe have to be pursuers of truth, they've denied it, fine. Let's keep digging, okay, fine.

Ian MalcolmThe thing that I don't think, I think is being lost is like, on some part of the population, you can scold them to silence, right?

@submission2tBut if I have any deviation of a purity test, any deviation whatsoever, such as hosting a focus group, right, Megan? With a bunch of our students that went viral, having Dave Smith or Tucker at my event, it is all of a sudden, oh, Charlie is a, he's no longer, with us and all that. I said, wait a second, what do you mean?

@submission2tWhat does with us mean exactly, right? I'm an American, okay? Like I represent this country and I don't even understand that paradigm. But Megan, I think you would agree with this. I want to make sure we fast, like really zero in on this. Personality types like you, myself, and Tucker, the more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question,

@submission2tWhich is not isolated, right? Megan, it'll be one thing if it's just one text or two texts. It is dozens of texts.

Speaker 11Yes.

@submission2tThen we start to say, hold the boat here. And to be fair, some of my really good Jewish friends are like, that's not all of us, that's all. But these are leaders too, though, right? These are stakeholders, right?

Speaker 10This is the last one.

@submission2tWhen the hostile reaction is that now Megan and Charlie are enemies, boy.

@submission2tSorry. They are now referred to as enemies, right? He's saying it himself that they're claiming that I am the enemy.

@d2thedreCan I interject now?

@submission2tJust a few more seconds. Boy, I'll tell you.

@submission2tI want to say lose, but you will weaken and just basically deflate two of your strongest advocates if that continues.

Speaker 11I've been bullied by the best of them. The best. And it didn't work. And it's not going to work with them. The more you try to tell me I can't criticize Israel, the more likely I am to do it. to focus on exactly what you're doing, right? Like, what are you doing that you're so defensive? You don't own me. I don't take $1 of money from any Jewish-affiliated group.

Speaker 11That's never been what my show's model. I take, you know.

@submission2tYeah, that's the end of it. But he speaks about the purity test, right? You cannot just, you have to be all in. You have to bend a knee and accept everything they tell you. Otherwise, you're the enemy. Otherwise, you're an anti-Semite.

Ian MalcolmSo I'm going to play a little clip here. This is actually from Forbidden HQ, who has been putting together some of these incredible AI videos. And he had this come out shortly after the Candace Owens-Andrew Wilson debate finished. So hopefully the audio comes through pretty clearly. If so, there's also a video to go along with it.

Ian MalcolmI'll put it up into the nest. But here's the audio from it. This is Andrew Wilson returning to his wife. in the hotel room post-debate.

@joann_marieAndy, baby, no, no, stop. It's okay. It's okay.

@submission2tIt was bad! It was bad! Eric is gonna kill me! Ben is gonna kill me!

Ian MalcolmOf course, negative to come from Andrew Wilson due to his performance from Erica Kirk or Ben Shapiro, if they are as demonica Kirk as David calls her. I don't know if you came up with that one, David, but if so, that is phenomenal. But some wonderful, again, I'll put that up into the nest that is from Forbidden. HQ is the handle, has made some unbelievable AI videos and just want to, of course, call out not just allegedly Dank, who's putting all of these conversations onto Apple Podcasts, Rumble, Spotify, and the now quasi-banned IanMalcolm84.com.

Ian MalcolmIf I type that onto X, it says you're not allowed to post that, which is very strange. But nonetheless, he's out there along with Valeck and so many others that put this wonderful AI content together. So I want to give them immense love as I will with Forbidden and that video. I'm going to put that up again into the nest.

Ian MalcolmIan Carroll just shared that it's getting a lot of virality. And it's another example of how we need to band together, bring our different talents, whatever they might be, so that we are able to move the needle. And when I hear those quotes from Charlie Kirk, it really is... I think one of the biggest mistakes made by

Ian MalcolmSome would call them the Zionists, others the Israelis, some the Jews. I like the Jewish supremacists. The thing that the Jewish supremacists failed most miserably when they chose and elected to propagandize, right? They made the decision to say that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. They are the ones that said you can't critique Israel because then you're critiquing Jews.

Ian MalcolmThey are the ones. that made it essentially, let's say, a no-no, a naughty, you can't do that, to critique the nation that then went on to genocide tens, arguably hundreds of thousands of Palestinian people. And I bring this up because the thing that makes this house of cards so dangerous is because they interlinked those things.

Ian MalcolmThey have used all of the venom. to demand our silence on all of the atrocities of Israel and of the Zionist occupation of the White House. And the problem for them is that because they did that, people have gotten so sick and tired of the obvious subversion that they're willing to call it out in spite of being called, of course, an anti-Semite for criticizing Israel.

Ian MalcolmSo now what have they done? They've actually made it easier for people to swallow being called an anti-Semite. So now what is going to inevitably happen is not only are they going to be able to criticize Israel and then criticize the fact that obviously Donald Trump is subservient to Israel and Jewish supremacy, but they're then going to hear the rest of the narrative that Charlie Kirk was just describing.

Ian MalcolmIt's the tech, it's the media, it's the everything. And so now people of all colors, of all political representation are going to be able to come together because they, the supremacists, They use that term to define any criticism of Israel, and they have so overplayed the term that nobody cares anymore. So now they will not only be able to say we're done with Israel, but we're done with Jewish supremacy, right?

Ian MalcolmThey made that mistake. They used it as a foil. It has been torn apart, and we are absolutely going to win. So when you hear Charlie Kirk talking about that, when you hear Megyn Kelly saying, they attacked me for critiquing Israel, so I'm going to do it more because they say that I can't do it. The same thing is going to happen with first Israel, then Netanyahu, then AIPAC, and then they connect the final dots and they're like, wait, why did our media never tell us about AIPAC and all our politicians being owned?

Ian MalcolmI wonder if the media's owned. Then they'll go onto social media and try and talk about it and they'll say, well, why am I being censored? Then they'll go to AI and say, hey, is this true? And they'll note that AI is lying. And then they're like, wait a second. Why did I never learn about this in the history books? Oh, shoot.

Ian MalcolmIt's Robert Maxwell and Bergamon Press and all of the other ownership of McGraw-Hill, right? And so they have built this problem for themselves. That is why this house of cards is so weak. That is why Tyler Robinson and this narrative is so critical. And that is why Andrew Wilson, his charge was to go out and to discredit basically the truth.

Ian MalcolmThe truth is undefeated. We are going to continue to be undefeated. That's why these rooms continue to grow. And that's why us with our little handles. We all come together. We're like the transformer, right? We're not the biggest and the strongest, but we're the one where like 10 of them all come together. They go, right?

Ian MalcolmThey create the giant super transformer. We don't have to have the biggest voices. We don't need 10 million followers. We don't need any of that. We just need to band together with the truth to get it to more and more and more people. And as we do, every one of us shares it with yet another who shares it with yet another.

Ian MalcolmAnd then what do you know? The Thousand Follower Account, right? James Wood, a couple thousand followers. His truths permeate this space. They are shared with hundreds, maybe thousands of people. Those hundreds share it with more hundreds, right? So all of a sudden, what does that mean? That means Godfroy or JoAnn or David or Dr. Recktenwald or all of us.

Ian MalcolmWe have millions of followers. They might not show up with a little vanity metric, but that's how many people we can influence because we're sharing these very uncomfortable truths and they don't take a great order. You don't have to be all that sophisticated to say, hey guys, did you figure out that the media is completely owned by Jewish people?

Ian MalcolmYou just say that and people call you an anti-Semite and then you're like, but I mean, look, like David Ellison, he's like one guy and he owns like a third of all of the media. He owns Warner Brothers and Paramount and Skydance. I mean, that's like three out of 10 of every single movie and television show.

Ian MalcolmAll right. So with that.

Ian MalcolmWe will leave this in the wonderful hands of Mr. Nietzsche and the co-hostess with the absolute most is Miss JoAnn. Whether it's Dr. Rechtenwald, Godfroy, Wolf, James Wood, Mankos, who I might disagree with from time to time on certain topics, but you know what? That's what makes Mankos. I think it's probably...

Ian MalcolmWhy don't we go to John, who's a new speaker, and then Wolf, and then we will go up to Mr. James Wood again. And a big, big shout out to Mr. Godfroy, who is certainly a co-host by everything but the silly little banner at the moment. So Godfroy, as always, of course, jump in if need be, my friend. But let's go to Mr. John.

@submission2tIan, I'm going to go down to a listener so you can bring up other people, but I'll come back in a few minutes and share the video in the Jumbotron if it's okay with you.

Ian MalcolmOf course, my friend. And absolutely, thank you for putting that together, Dr. Strange. That's amazing.

@truebinizHey, well, thanks for having me up. Kind of hard. I was hoping you'd call on somebody else before me, but no, no, no, it's cool. No, I appreciate it. Kind of hard to follow your, you know, what you just eloquently put across for a few minutes there. So, no, I just wanted to say that as far as the Candace speech goes, I got two points here.

@truebinizYeah, I'll make it quick and I'll get, you know, drawn down. But the Candace debate here I just want to say one thing that I don't think a lot of people are talking about too much is that she was so composed. I think that the most composed I've seen her debating someone in forever. I don't know if you guys seen, you know, when she was in front of Congress.

@truebinizShe was... Buddy, you do not want to get on her bad side in a debate or conversation. And without paperwork, she rolls it like nobody else does. She's really good. So the fact that she was so composed today was absolutely brilliant on her part. And I think she won. Now, my second thing is... I'm curious as to, while we can talk about Israel and so forth and Zionists and, you know, kind of a Zionist New World Order thing, do you not think that these data centers being just armed across America is for the drones that they need?

@truebinizBecause you cannot fight America in a ground war. on American soil. That'll never fucking work. You think that America is scared to go into fucking Iran? Imagine coming to America, right? That's fucking nuts. You just don't do it, right? But what you can do is build the compute for what you need to take care of these students.

@truebinizAnd I'll land right there.

@joann_marieThank you so much, John. David, any comments? Nope. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming up, John. And Jefe, I know you've had your hand up for a long time. Yeah, thank you very much, JoAnn.

@nietzsche258918Before you go on, Jefe, I do want to make this one point about what Dr. Strange, I do want to forward that. So that montage was wonderful about all the things Charlie Kirk said. And I just want to say this, and Ian, I hope you're listening. You know, it really is Charlie Kirk versus not just Demonica Kirk, but all of the people with whom she's associated.

@nietzsche258918And we all know they're all being paid by Israel. I mean, this is just a fact. And I will tell you that they are left, and again, if you just heard everything that Dr. Strange has put up, they are left to assassinate the ideas of Charlie Kirk, the spirit of Charlie Kirk. It is Charlie Kirk versus all the rest of them, and Charlie Kirk is going to win.

@nietzsche258918And what he said about not silencing us, that, boy, you made a bad move when you tried to do that. And he identified, notice, with Tucker Carlson. Notice he identified with people that are anathema to Jewish supremacism. And so I think of it as, you know, my favorite scene in Cinderella Man is where Russell Crowe, who plays the boxer, where he takes the very best punch of an opponent, and it's supposed to knock him down, knock him out.

@nietzsche258918And he smiles at the guy with the bleeding mouth and reaches down and picks his mouthpiece, which is also bloody, off of the mat and puts it in his mouth. And the other guy looks at him with a terrified expression on his face because he's like, wow, that's my best punch. That's all I've got. And that's all these people have.

@nietzsche258918They've done their level best. They've controlled everything. They've tried to shame us. They've tried to string the strings of guilt across our souls and play them like a virtuoso. And the fact that it's Charlie Kirk, such a wonderful, courageous person in that way, in that celebration of free speech, saying, you've made a mistake.

@nietzsche258918You've made a terrible error. And as much as Demonica Kirk is going to spend the rest of her life trying to assassinate the ideas, the spirit of Charlie Kirk, making war on anybody who dares repeat or say or attempts to be platformed for saying the things that Charlie Kirk said, it's failing miserably and it's very inspiring.

@nietzsche258918It makes you think all the better of Charlie Kirk for having the courage because he knew it. He knew this intimidation factor. He knew what he was facing up against. He even said near the end of his life, I think these people are going to assassinate me. What kind of wonderful, courageous person would keep going in the face of that fear?

@nietzsche258918Well, I'll tell you, it's Charlie Kirk and they simply cannot, I don't think they can, That was beautiful, David.

@joann_marieI agree. All right. El Jefe, go for it. Welcome.

Speaker 12Yeah, thank you very much.

@joann_marieI've been waiting for a long time.

Speaker 12Yeah, I know. So I got some history with Wilson, all right? I've been in the space with him. I checked out his page before I went into the space. His profile picture of him huffing on a fucking cigarette. I didn't like him from the get-go. I didn't like his pompous shit, and I got into it with him. He's a stupid piece of shit.

Speaker 12I said I'm two-thirds of the way to 100. I don't know if you guys know how to do math, but that's 66.66. This fucking guy says, yeah, so you're 50 years old. I go, you are really fucking stupid. I started debating with him. The minute I brought up the Kirk thing, He said to the host of The Space, drop him down. And I was like, you are such a fucking faggot.

Speaker 12And I really had a fucking problem with him. I really got into it with him and they dropped me down. So when I saw that he was debating Candace, I was locked and loaded for this thing. I listened to it intently. And I watched it. Godfroy, DavidNietzsche2310, JoAnn Marie, The Honey Badger, Godfroy,

Speaker 12These are the simple things that she used to bury this fucking guy and put a toe tag on him that I used. You just use his stupidity against him. You see his fucking foot going back and forth, right? He's a nicotine addict piece of shit. You just nail him on stuff like, women are retards. That's a fucking stupid ass statement, you dumb fuck.

Speaker 12So... He says stupid shit like that He doesn't know the charges He doesn't know that murder was not what the man was charged for Aggravated murder, I think, is what he was charged with He didn't know the seven charges She had him down The reason she was so composed was because she had her facts down I never was a real...

Speaker 12Huge fan of hers because she was going down to Mar-a-Lago with fucking Kanye, you know, so I'm like, who the fuck is this broad, right? But I got his, and I didn't even know who the fuck Charlie Kirk was when he was assassinated, okay? Because I live a life. I'm in the IRL. But I was brought to these spaces and everything because I'm a real, I'm the real one is what the young kids call me, all right?

Speaker 12I keep it real. I'm from Yonkers. I fucking played tackle football on cement. I know people and I know life. This guy, the minute he came across my radar, I knew he was a piece of shit. But now I am just reveling in him being cooked. She cooked his ass. And, you know, Erica Kirk is the number one indicator that shit ain't kosher.

Speaker 12The way she bounced into fucking TPUSA head and everything like that after he was assassinated. She's a clown show. So that shows you right there, this whole thing's fucked up, right? And the bottom line is that Wilson's a shill. He's done as far as I'm concerned. I'm doing everything I can to bury him. Because when you fuck with me,

Speaker 12And I'm a nice guy, honestly. I'm a straight up guy. If you knew me, you'd like me. But don't fuck up. And he fucked up amazingly with me. And then he made an enemy with me. And then I studied him. And then I just relished in watching that foot go back and forth.

Speaker 12I love her. And a matter of fact, I love the fact that she's standing up for her buddy, you know? And everybody wants to take shots at her that she's making all this money off of Charlie. Somebody had to stand up for him. She was spending a lot of time with him before she got into her full life with a husband and making babies.

Speaker 12So good for Candace Owen. Good for this group right here and everybody in here. Because we got to talk the truth. It's as simple as this. Epstein got the dirt on everybody. And you got... Wexner, you got that guy, Lutnik, that's overseeing it. Then you got Jared, now his brother's buying the fucking Lakers. Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 12They got all the fucking money. They're taking all this money hand over fist from the fucking Saudis with their crypto and their other bullshit. You think we're this stupid? The stupid people are who you fly over when you go from New York to L.A. We fucking know what's going on, pal. It was a great day for all of us. And fuck Israel.

@nietzsche258918Thank you for that, my friend. Yeah, I think that's probably universal sentiment, which is what they're trying to resist. What do you say, Wolf? Oh. Hey, David. Sorry, I was completely cut off. Hey, everybody, just wanted to say hi. I wanted to come up here and call you guys a bunch of conspiracy theories, anti-Semites.

@nietzsche258918And that's all I wanted to say. Bunch of anti-Semites, bunch of conspiracy guys. How dare you guys. Oy vey. And JQ Radio to the moon. All right, boys. God bless. Good to see you, Ian. Good to see you, JoAnn. And keep on rocking, boys. Good job. And then what's this guy's name who was up here talking about the video? Stranger Things or whatever?

@nietzsche258918Please DM me so I can get that video. All right. God bless you guys. Yeah, Doctor Strange, that's who that is. And yeah, it is a montage, which is what I think is so cool about it. So I'll be pushing that out as well. I really enjoyed hearing that straight from the horse's mouth. I think it's important to keep the spirit of Charlie Kirk alive.

@nietzsche258918By the way, I didn't always didn't agree with everything Charlie Kirk said. But what I admired him for being, which is truly American, was a paragon of free speech. If you really look at it, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I think that video was so amazing. That's why I need that part where he said, they're labeling me an anti-Semite.

@nietzsche258918They want me to step down. And I think I'm going to pin this on my timeline forever. Because Charlie Kirk would have been a presidential run a gazillion percent. He would have ran for president. They already saw the future. They already saw what he will bring with the power of Turning Point USA. He was a threat to the establishment.

@nietzsche258918He was a threat to the satanic demonic pedophile ring that is running the country and the world, by the way. And listen, I'm not a conspiracy guy, right? Quote unquote. And I didn't get into the Charlie Kirk thing like everybody else did. But something is really fishy about his death. And that's why I leave it. I don't think anything seems the way they're trying to present it, right?

@nietzsche258918So I'm going to leave it at that. And I would add to this, in 2028, in order for Charlie Kirk to be president, he would have to, according to our constitution, be a minimum of 35 years old. He would have been, wait for it, 35 years old. And had he run... on who he is, on who he was and what he's been saying. In the Republican Party, he would have had no chance of losing because no one else would have everybody under 40.

@nietzsche258918That was his base. That was his constituency. That's how you win. You couldn't beat Charlie Kirk when he brings those people with him. And of course, he'd been cutting his bona fides and debating everybody all the time and everywhere. So I agree with you. I don't just think that he would have been a candidate. I think that he would have been so formidable that it would be hard to imagine any other Republican, including the AstroTurf JD Vance, I don't think any of those people would have had a chance against the real deal, the real McCoy Charlie Kirk, so I agree with that.

@nietzsche258918What do you think about that, Joanne?

@nietzsche258918Much love, David. I got to go. It's good to see you guys. Rabbi, everybody, I haven't talked to you guys in a long time, but God bless you guys. Keep pushing along with what you guys are doing. And, you know, listen, it's been a long fight, but you guys are doing an amazing job. Really proud of you guys. Looking good. God bless.

@joann_marieThank you, Wolf.

@nietzsche258918Joann, welcome. Thanks, Wolf.

@joann_marieOh, Joann dropped. I'm going to send him a mic again.

Speaker 13What's up, everybody? Thanks for having me.

@joann_marieHey, yeah, thank you so much for coming up. And guys, please repost this space, follow Ian and David and Godfroy and Rabbi and everybody on the panel, and thank you so much for being here. All right, Jay Wood, well, come back, go for it.

@jamesjacob94515I just want to say for the record, JoAnn, I agree with Ken and so on, and I stand against Andrew Wilson. I don't think all women are retarded. I was just about to say that because, yeah, his fans, Say he won that debate with using that. One of those things he says.

@joann_marieI don't think those are real people.

@jamesjacob94515I think a lot of those are bots. I know that a lot of bots do exist. I know Elon tried, attempted to get rid of them, but I don't believe he was 100% successful.

@jamesjacob94515I'm still trying to figure out What possessed this man to do this? You know, I haven't checked the gifts in Go, how much money he's raised. I know he's flying back today. But, yeah, it's a lot of money. He's still out of pocket. 200 grand. He's flying back tomorrow, by the way. Right tomorrow. Okay, so he's spending the night in Tennessee.

@jamesjacob94515Awesome. So, I would say this. Charlie Kirk would have been president.

@jamesjacob94515But it's odd, it's odd. The people that killed our presidents, people who killed JFK. JFK was the one who tried to get AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. He wanted to inspect the Mona nuclear power. There's a lot, a lot of parallels here. A young man, a young American man who was killed who would have been our president because let's just face it, Charlie Kirk owned those college campuses.

@jamesjacob94515They had way more supporters than he had people that were opposition. This was the president. They killed the president again. So you have to understand this. Think about this. Charlie Kirk wouldn't need to actually spend any real money campaigning. He'd just go from college to college. So you have all people that left college, the people who were in college that are fans of his, and they're graduating, people who were there the year before.

@jamesjacob94515So he has all these fans, all these young people coming out of college, all that energy, momentum. He just goes from college to college to college, and he captures 70% of the young vote because of that. This man was unofficially the president. It's just a matter of time. And the powers that be knew this. When somebody this powerful who basically helped decide the election, they couldn't afford for him to start talking the way he was talking.

@jamesjacob94515Listen to those clips that Dr. Strange put up. Yeah, these were his last days. When you heard his last days, he sounded like Ian Malcolm. He sounded like Rabbi [guest]. He sounded like us. He sounded like David. Now, the problem with that is this. They killed him for it. You know, talking the way we talk is very dangerous.

@jamesjacob94515I just saw a clip where someone took a snippet, someone that follows me, took a snippet of people in this chat and said, Jew-hating, da-da-da, anti-Semites, blah-blah-blah. There's my portrait, there's Ian Mattle, there's David, there's Godfroy, there's Rabbi, there's everybody. So they took a snippet of us and stuck it in a thing called us Jew-hating anti-Semites.

@jamesjacob94515It's the same thing they said to Charlie Kirk. The exact same thing they called Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 13Jay, do you mind if I ask you a question? Go for it, yeah. Okay, so you came up here on the panel and you said that Candace Owens won the debate, correct? Yes. Okay, can you give me a reasons why?

@jamesjacob94515Well, in a debate, when you basically fall into name-calling or defamation, you know, and there's no longer arguments about the facts, you know, that's a sign that you're winning.

@joann_marieI actually want to know why you think Andrew won. This is what I actually want to know. You think Andrew won? You actually believe this?

Speaker 13Who is this talking? Well, I'd love to. It's monetary.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, he just started talking. I wasn't finished, but yeah. I'll answer this question. Here's the thing. I'll say this. A man once said, if you have the facts, you pound the facts. You don't have the facts, you pound the table and you talk loud and you defame people and you criticize, you make jokes and you squirm and you kick around.

@jamesjacob94515When you don't actually have the truth on your side, people are talking, you're going to try to interrupt them. A good example, he didn't even know the charges. It's like a debate about the ABCs. I said, well, do you know your ABCs? Of course I know my ABCs. Show me a list of them on the wall and I'll tell you which ones I know.

@jamesjacob94515Well, you don't know the ABC. Well, just tell me the ABCs. Well, I don't know A.

Speaker 13Well, that's one. Respectfully, what did Candace say in the debate? Well, hold on.

@nietzsche258918Hold on. We've got other hands here.

Speaker 13We're having a conversation, David. No, we're not. Yeah, we are.

@joeyggggggggggI'm chomping.

@joann_marieNo, you don't take monetary, but I would love to hear your take after we go to the hands that were waiting for you. Yeah, yeah.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, you can't jump ahead of everybody in the space and just start asking. Yeah, yeah.

@nietzsche258918And it's that kind of narcissism that I'm sorry, but I just want to say for everybody else, the narcissism, it amazes me. The first thing that goes with lack of empathy is self-awareness because the narcissism that says, I've come on a space and it's all about me now. Everybody listen to me. No, we're not going to do that because we have other people, right?

@nietzsche258918You have to live in a world where you actually have to acknowledge the existence of other people. Scott, for instance, here, has been waiting so patiently, so kindly. Oh, Joanne. We're going to go to... Joanne.

@joann_marieIt was Joanne, but Joanne drops.

@nietzsche258918No, no, but Scott was waiting before him. We're going to go to Joanne next. But I was just citing someone who I've noticed exhibits such kindness and patience, and I really appreciate it. I may not say it all the time. So we're not going to go down the narcissistic road. So Pretty in Pink, just out of Hold Your Horses, we'll go to Joanne next.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah. Try to have respect for the space. People are patiently waiting. I could have started burning out questions and middle people talking, but I didn't. I had no common sense of respect for Ian Malcolm and JoAnn and David to not do that. And I think that's something you're just... This is what I mean, social awareness.

@jamesjacob94515You're not able to actually understand, hey, there are people in space that have their hands up waiting patiently, and I just can't jump ahead of them and start asking J-World questions. That's fucking stupid.

@nietzsche258918And I did notice, I did notice, Jaywood, what you said about when she asked him the charges. You know, that's a very short question. That's not like he didn't, she took maybe four seconds to ask that question. And the fact that he started talking really fast and splurging out and trying to go all over the place and trying to ask a question back.

@nietzsche258918We know all of these tactics. You know why? Because we saw them in high school. So it is a really bad look. And you notice, and I tell all my nieces and nephews, read the dialogues of Plato, because an honest, earnest person submits themselves to cross-examination. They don't freak out when someone simply asks them a question.

@nietzsche258918By the way, a very non-leading question. So you're absolutely right, the lack of self-awareness there was also off the charts.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, and here's the problem. He could have proved us all wrong if he said, you know the charges? Yes, I know the charges. Well, go ahead. Now, if he had actually read out every single charge like she did, she would look stupid at that point. Well, he's prepared. He knows his charges. He knows everything. But he didn't know anything.

@jamesjacob94515He came in for attention, ego, hubris. He didn't have any preparation. So he said, I know he got, he shot Charlie Kirk. That's not a charge. Murder. I know he did murder. Oh, that's what. So the TV told you what he did. Great. Did you do any research on this?

@nietzsche258918And by the way, it's odd that he would say he knows something that the jury hasn't concluded yet. The guy is innocent until proven guilty. He can suspect it, but I can't prove the negative. I can't say for sure that he didn't. But listen, we're going to go to, my friend, we're going to go to Joanne next, and then I guess Joanne and Scott.

@jamesjacob94515Yeah, I'll land with this. I'm sorry I'm taking too much time. I got interrupted by this person who jumped ahead of everybody. But yeah, I'll say this.

@jamesjacob94515You know... If you were actually honest, actually honest, if we reversed the people and we put Candace Owens in the place of Andrew Wilson and vice versa, and Andrew Wilson asked Candace, well, do you know the charges? And she said, I know he shot him. You would say that Andrew won if he was able to name all those charges and she couldn't.

@jamesjacob94515Let's be honest here. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, because here's the thing.

@nietzsche258918If she asked him if he knows the charges and he said it, that would just be the basis for continuing the conversation. That really wouldn't be a winner. In fact, I don't even think it would have been a loss for him as much. It wouldn't look so badly if he said, well, you know, I must confess, I actually don't know the charges.

@nietzsche258918Just, you know, be honest about what you know and what you don't know. It was Confucius who said, if you know that you know what you know, and you know that you don't know what you don't know, then you're wise. This... expresses some kind of wisdom to have humility about what you don't know, and he wasn't doing that. Instead, he splurged out and freaked out, which is, of course, a really bad look.

@jamesjacob94515But he was dishonest. This is the problem. He was dishonest, and he asked for help from people behind the scenes. Please show me the charges, because I don't actually know. He said he knew. Then he said, please show them to me. And then she said, well, can you name one? and he could not, right?

@nietzsche258918Well, my friend, we're going to go to Joann next, but thank you so much.

@joeyggggggggggHey, everyone. Look, something was brought up, and thanks for having me up. You know, Monetary had asked why he doesn't think. So I just want to set what I believe, which is this debate was whether Tyler Robinson did the crime or did not do the crime. On that debate, Andrew himself said he believes by 70%. So even by his own standard, it does not meet beyond a reasonable doubt.

@joeyggggggggggHe would not be able to convict Tyler Robinson. And that was said even before the first break, right? So he wasn't there to prove that Tyler Robinson did it because even himself, he should have questions. Because if you're at 70%, you should want to get to 90%, 95%, 99.9%.

@joeyggggggggggWhatever it is, you have doubt if you only believe 70% by 70%. And this is out of his own mouth, right? Secondly, if you want a non-biased opinion about who won the debate, which is impossible to do on X, right? You go to PolyMarket. And on PolyMarket, the people betting on whether Tyler Robinson gets convicted or not has dropped to 30% during the debate.

@joeyggggggggggSo people who have money on whether Tyler Robinson is going to be convicted or not, obviously, after listening to debates, have changed their minds. And now it's down to 30%. I don't think he was there on good faith. I think he was there to do a got you against Kansas in order to boost his own profile. He could care less about the evidence about Tyler because even he himself said he only believed that 70%.

@joeyggggggggggNo one can prove the bullet came from that gun. That hasn't been proven. No one can prove that the gun was last fired by Tyler Robinson. Actually, the DNA evidence suggests otherwise. Andrew apparently knows better than Lance Twiggs that that was Tyler in the stairwell. So I'm wondering what relationship he had with Tyler for him to actually know that it's Tyler more so than his own lover.

@joeyggggggggggMaybe he was lovers with him also, I don't know. But that would suggest prior knowledge of Tyler for him to do 100% match ID like he stated in the debate. So I'm actually wondering, you know, what did Andrew actually do? I think he made himself look stupid the same way he spurgs out on other podcasts. And I think he just, he controlled himself a lot more.

@joeyggggggggggBut he actually just exposed that even he himself, and I think that's what everyone should take, even he himself would not convict Tyler Robinson because he could not do so beyond a reasonable doubt when he says he only believes in 70%.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, I hadn't thought about the 70% thing. That's a really interesting... And you know, the idea that you... Our justice system is that one man... What is it, nine men should go free rather than one man to be found guilty that's innocent? It really is a situation here where it's overwhelmingly odd that people are saying, we have to pronounce this guy guilty before the trial.

@nietzsche258918It's like the lady doth protest too much. When I'm on Diligent Space, I always make the point of, well, logically, what are the possibilities, Joa? One is that he's guilty, which I accept that possibility. I mean, I can't prove the negative.

@joeyggggggggggYeah, I'm like 40, 50% whether he did it or not. I'm just looking for answers because I'm not 100% convinced. And I think most people asking questions feel the same. I was actually surprised Candace said zero. I think there's some evidence that points that maybe it could have been him.

@nietzsche258918Or, you know, and I gave the example earlier because everybody from demonic Israel To TPUSA, which is clearly just a lying, obviously, representation of Israel. Everybody on their side insists that it simply has to be. And this is incredibly illogical. This flies in the face of not just the scientific method, but the rational method, you know, of which the skepticism is the bedrock of.

@joeyggggggggggHere's the funny thing, David, is this isn't a genocide because you have to prove intent. But Netanyahu calling for Amalek and people in the government calling to wipe out Gaza and throw nukes, that's not evidence, although that's videotaped. But this, his own lover can't identify him positively, and it is evidence. This is the rationale.

@joeyggggggggggIt's just tribalism in all reality.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, and it becomes a radical skepticism, right, where they change the bar of what... And then, of course, Charlie Kirk gets assassinated.

@nietzsche258918Everybody that represents Israel just jumps on this case and says, it's just got to be Tyler Robinson. And then I remind them, and I learned this from Sam, I'm sorry, what's Sam's last name? The great podcaster. Anyway, I learned this from him, where he said, gosh, you know, after they figured out that or strongly suspected John Wilkes Booth as assassinating Lincoln, they still tracked down 12 other co-conspirators.

@nietzsche258918And the idea that we're not supposed to investigate, you know, Tyler Robinson could be, the third option is he could have something to do with it. Remember, there were three other Patsys. There were three other people that were supposed to look like that they did it, at least two others. So the idea that there couldn't be an Israeli co-conspirator, there couldn't be even nothing to do with Israel.

@nietzsche258918There could be a TPUSA co-conspirator.

@joeyggggggggggThey got their orders from Israel right away. Netanyahu. The leader of a country, which is very odd, comes out right away and says, it wasn't us.

@nietzsche258918Within three hours, right?

@joeyggggggggggYeah. And this whole thing about the genocide really irks me only because the number doesn't matter. If population grows, which is actually BS, but if population grows, it doesn't matter. If a person says they want to wipe out everyone from a government... And they begin to wipe people out. That is a genocide, point blank.

@joeyggggggggggThat's why 90% of genocide scholars say this is a genocide. It's pretty clear cut and dry. There is no other thing. You have three members of their government saying they wanted to wipe out Gaza. The one about Bibi is questionable, but the other two are not questionable at all. He literally said turn it into a glass parking lot.

@joeyggggggggggAnd that's what they're doing. So that is committing a genocide, point blank.

Ian MalcolmIt's also even Grock will suggest that it's a weird shrug off that they throw out there that a lot of data points will actually disagree with. But it's just manipulation of the numbers, JoAnn. It's a wonderful set of comments there.

@joeyggggggggggThey're just really good at manipulating opinion. And what they're doing, Ian, you talk about propaganda all the time. They're trying not to make it about Tyler Robinson. They're trying to make it about what Candace says, which happens very often. And this is why I get really upset at certain people on the COVID side. Some of them said really crazy things and then they just lump you all together and be like, oh, you're just a bunch of COVID nuts, right?

@joeyggggggggggAnd that's what they're doing when they're like, oh, you want to talk about Egyptian planes? Well, you know, and some people think that's nuts. They just try to bring you in. They're like, oh, all you people, and this is what they do in order to fight off the conversation. They don't try. Not even 1% of their effort is in trying to prove that it was Tyler.

@joeyggggggggggAnd every time you ask them, they're like, I already showed the proof, although there's no proof. Well, there's very little proof.

Speaker 13Is it okay if I ask questions to the panel or do I need to wait?

@joann_marieHold on, Manitari. And talking of propaganda, JoAnn, when are we going to do that space? I'm going to pressure you until you say yes.

@joeyggggggggggYeah, we should. I just have to do some homework if I'm going to do that space. But how about after summer? In September we do it.

@joann_marieSeptember? We have all the way to almost the last weekend of September already booked. So just book it now.

Speaker 13Oh, good, okay. October's even better.

@joann_marieYes! Okay, I'll make a little group. Awesome.

Speaker 13Do I need to wait to ask a question?

@joann_marieYes, please. Thank you.

@d2thedreOkay.

@nietzsche258918I think Scott's next.

@joann_marieYes. Hey, Scott.

@d2thedreHi, JoAnn. Hi, David. This is kind of a question that kind of goes along with what I asked earlier about Candace Owens never wanting to do this debate, and I just... I was wondering, David, this is a question for you, David, or Ian, or JoAnn for that matter. You know, I think they overplayed their hand. I think that they seen that Candace wasn't interested in debating this idiot from the very beginning.

@d2thedreAnd so they kept doubling down and then they backed him even, right? And so I think they overplayed their hand. They thought that Candace was never going to actually debate this guy because...

@d2thedreAs hard as Charlie went, or as hard as Candace is going, or as hard as Tucker goes, she's backtracked on some of the things that she's even said in the past a little bit. And it's a little discouraging to see because I really like Megyn Kelly. I liked her for many years before I was JQ'd, I guess is what you call it. And it's just a question I thought, I just kind of think, I think they overplayed their hand in the backing of the $300,000 that he got.

@d2thedreHe didn't have that money. Someone else provided that money, and once Candace figured that out, she's very keen about doing such things, which is interesting, to say the least. But I just thought that they overplayed their hand, and I think they didn't actually think she would ever debate him. What do you think about that, David?

@nietzsche258918Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure to what degree the money influenced her, but yeah, I do think... And I do think that the cards, what was on the table for them was a very, very different thing. Because I think there's a desperation on their part. They really, really need some... I thought in the past that they need to personify the whole awakening with one person, with Candice.

@nietzsche258918Because I noticed, because I don't listen to Candice enough. You know, I mean, I don't, you know, I'm not getting what it is that I'm... I think most people are getting it from... The Zeitgeist. The Awakening is just such a cacophony of voices going, gosh, look, look at this, Jewish supremacy, all of this other stuff. And including what Joe has said, the odd thing that we just watched a genocide in 1080p and they went, no, no, no, no, you're not allowed to think that.

@nietzsche258918No, no, no, don't believe your lying eyes. And, you know, I think that was a point in Orwell's work. You know, you're supposed to deny ultimately your own eyes and your own ears for whatever the party says. And so I think that their desire was to personify everything that we think with one person and then attack that person.

@nietzsche258918And gosh, you know, in this case, they've done it with Candace Owens. And so they kind of needed to have like a big win. And it just, it all seems like it's just falling flat. That's just the appearance I get from it.

@d2thedreYeah, I was just curious what you thought too, David. I mean, I haven't, like I said, I didn't catch the whole space, but I did want to add that Austin, listening to the space last night with Ian, I had, I was at work. I stuck my phone in my hard hat on loud and was able to hear everything. And that kid, hey, I'm not joking.

@d2thedreI wasn't going to miss it.

Speaker 14I love that.

@d2thedreI was not going to miss it. Anyways, and it was just awesome. I was like so compelled listening to it. I was like... Oh shit, I need to move something real quick. Hold on. Anyways, but it was just, I was so impressed. I mean, overly impressed by the intellect of that young man. And I just, I would just love to see like someone like Candace or Tucker do an interview with him and pass that torch of Charlie's to the next great Gen Z influencer because he is, that kid is just,

@d2thedreAmazing. So I just wanted to comment on that too. So thank you very much again.

@joann_marieThank you, Scott. Austin is just absolutely brilliant. So thank you so much. And yeah, guys, please support him. He's going through a really rough time. And we need to stop them from keep getting away with terrorizing us. So yeah. All right, Rabbi, thank you for coming up. How are you?

@malleusigSorry, you caught me in transit from room to room. No, I'm great. Thanks for letting me up. No, I just want to say I'm really sorry. I didn't see the debate yet, so I don't have a lot to say on it. I just wanted to bring my support to the room and add that if Candice had half as much luck with Andrew than I did on the same topic, she beat him handily.

@malleusigSo I'm going to guess that she beat him on this. But I do know that Andrew's fan base will cheer him on and claim that he won no matter what happened. So I expect there to be quite the lively debate on this. I am going to watch this soon, as soon as I can step away. I also want to say what Jay Wood had said. He said someone apparently is calling Ian and David and JoAnn and me.

@malleusigThank you, Rabbi. These people, right?

@joann_marieThank you.

Speaker 15Thank you so much. It's always a pleasure and such an honor to be able to speak with you and Ian and everybody else. I love the debate. It was hands down, you know, Candace Nguyen. She took a scalp and ran with it. I just felt like she really dropped the ball when it comes to Rick Cutler and the footage of Rick. I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but there's actual video footage of the shooter, Rick Cutler.

Speaker 15He was one of the members of Charlie's security team. Extreme Christian Zionist. He's got Hebrew tattoos on his body. Well, he had a palm pistol. The barrel was protruding from between his fingers. Not only can you see him line up on Charlie... Pull the trigger, one of the video angles actually catches the bullet leaving his gun.

Speaker 15Now, there's people out there, you know, these agents are out there, they're trying to poo-poo it and say that, oh, a camera can't catch a bullet leaving a gun. Well, a palm pistol fires a .30 caliber short. You know, that's one of the reasons why they chose it. It's because, you know, it can be, you know, mistaken for a .30 caliber rifle.

Speaker 15It fires a .30 caliber short round, which is basically like a glorified BB gun. It only flies at 900 feet per second, which is completely, you know, within a cell phone's capacity. Even, you know, most cell phones can catch, you know, a pellet, you know, mid-flight. There's videos that catch this man lining up on Charlie.

Speaker 15and the bullet actually leaving his gun. Now, Charlie, the bullet that they pulled out of his body, it wasn't a full bullet. All they pulled out of his body was a bullet fragment, which means that that bullet fragmented before it went into his body. Now, if you look at the crisis actors, all the government fed people they had lined up for the news media, they originally, their story was, oh yeah, we saw him shot in the chest and all this blood pulled up around his chest area.

Speaker 15They were going for it.

Speaker 15One of the slow-mos, you can notice there's a hole that materializes right at the collar line immediately after he's shot. If it was a rooftop shooter, 30 hot 6 bullets, they don't make right-hand turns mid-flight without grazing the skin. There's no way that that bullet flew through his shirt and then up into his neck.

Speaker 15Also, the trajectories are all wrong. The bullet is below where that bullet ended up in the upper portion of his neck, which means that bullet was coming from down to up. And so what you're realizing now is that Charlie's own security team, which from what I understand is Israeli-owned, were the real culprits. Those were the guys that loaded him up into the truck and rushed him to the hospital.

Speaker 15And thanks to Candace, we know that one of those idiots made a 911 call, and their conversations were recorded while they were driving to the hospital. But one of the things that they were saying was, you know, get that off of him. And when they got to the hospital, they found one of those photos the FBI took. that show that a Charlie Kirk shirt was burnt on the ground because that shirt is a piece of evidence that proves it has two bullet holes in it.

Speaker 15That completely dispels the whole government narrative of a rooftop shooter. They're in the process of destroying evidence. They were talking to Ben Shapiro's security team on the way to the hospital. I guess they started to call 911. They're like, no, let's not call 911. Let's call Ben Shapiro. So, I mean, there's Israeli fingerprints all over this thing.

Speaker 15And on top of that, the text messages, the admissions of supposedly of Tyler Robinson, there was no capitalized letters on those admissions. If you know how Israelis type in Hebrew, they don't capitalize any of their letters. So when they switched to English trying to generate, materialize, fabricate his admissions, they forgot to capitalize the letters, which screams of Hebrew intervention.

Speaker 15Also, the admissions, they came in after he was already detained and in prison. That's why they don't want to release the timeline from when he actually turned himself in. He knew, like, it's funny, he was going to school for, I guess, to be in the CIA, and one of the names of the courses that he was in was, like, anticipatory something science.

@joann_marieMajor, this is so interesting, and I love everything that you're saying, but we're, like, focusing more on the Andrew Wilson and Candace Owens.

Speaker 15Yeah, I'm trying to point out how she dropped the ball, like, with, you know, this would have, like, I've seen hundreds of other people tag her in this footage. The fact that she didn't use it, I know that she knows of it. It's kind of like it causes me to have pause. You know what I mean? Is she controlled opposition?

Speaker 15Because at this point, that footage, it's bombshell. It shows that the government was in on it. It was a government operation along with Israel, and they killed him on behalf of Israel. It blows it all out of the water.

@malleusigMajor, listen, I'm 100% with you. And as a matter of fact, you forgot one part, which is that the letter of condolence that was sent from, I believe it was the Israeli embassy, was dated from a month prior to when Charlie was killed. But here's the thing. JoAnn is right. We are talking about the Candace debate. Okay, I'm sorry.

@malleusigI'm sorry. I'm sorry. But there is, like I said, like I just demonstrated, there is an obscene amount of evidence. And what I would love you to do, could you take everything you just said and write it up, put it into a post, and link it, put it in the back chat? Because I would love to go through, copy it all out, and turn it all into individual talking points.

Speaker 15That would be great. Yeah, I'll drop everything in the blue pill. Is that what you meant? That's what you meant, right? Yeah. My pleasure, brother. Thank you.

@joann_marieAwesome. Thank you so much, Major. And we also have Anna Escobar in the listeners, and she knows a lot about this topic, and I'm pretty sure she's following closely. So if you want to come up, Anna, just come up. She's awesome. All right. 999, welcome back.

Speaker 16Hey, JoAnn. How are you doing?

@joann_marieGood. How are you?

Speaker 16Good, thanks. I just wanted to kind of revel in the victory here just because it's so sweet. Really, it's just, it's going to last for weeks and weeks and weeks. And it's just, you know, and also to make amends with Ian, we are God's children. And I wanted to just extend a big hug out. I know each of us are focused on different angles of this enemy.

Speaker 16And what you're doing is important. Unpacking what's going on with Israel is vital. Charlie Kirk is now a martyr. They made a big mistake with this. They're continually making mistakes. Slop after slop. And what's interesting is that they have this attraction to misogyny or someone that overpowers another, right? That's how they think.

Speaker 16That's what their frequency kind of matches up with. And so this Andrew Wilson was the perfect candidate for that. And so they thought that they would send in or I should say conscript this little soldier to go in, right? and do some damage and really punish Candace and make sure that she can't speak and make sure that I'm sure you got a whole list of talking points and all kinds of things.

Speaker 16What should I do? Because he said he went in and they gave me all kinds of pointers. So it's just wonderful to watch this when Candace held her own on short notice in such a poised, calculated and it was just amazing to watch her in such a in such a calibrated fashion, just dismantled. And she was on the defense, yet he was on the backpedal.

Speaker 16Very amazing. And I just wanted to say, you know, just a message out to you FBI guys, and I want to be derogatory here. Basically, you Zionist agency Mossad guys who think you're going to win or you think you're going to get the upper hand on my people, you're not. My people, you have no way to fight us. You will not win this fight.

Speaker 16We win in the court of public opinion. We win when you try to get these companies to go woke. We buried Gillette in an $8 billion write-down. That was us. That was my people. We did that. Social media is ours. And these flock cameras, you can see them. They're all getting cut down. You better keep your guy tucked away in a food cart because what's coming is full exposure.

Speaker 16And you're not going to be able to stop it. The train has already left the station. My people are already aware of everything you're doing. And it's just really wonderful to hear us share different angles on what it is that you are doing and your plans forward. You're sending a chain-smoking, ankle-twitching misogynist who thinks he can beat up on women and call them retards.

Speaker 16I don't know what that... I mean, from a chess perspective, I don't see how you're going to play that and win. I guess you're going to do you, right? Then we have a lot of other things. We have this whole, well, it was basically a full strafing. I mean, it was a reckoning teardown. You guys are getting absolutely bummed on out here.

Speaker 16And I'm going to use that language because it's true. You're getting wrecked in front of all of us. And it feels good because you've been taking advantage of all of us for so long. So I just wanted to leave it there, Ian. I really appreciate the mic, brother. You know, I do love you guys. I know we disagree on some things, especially on the apex of this thing, but that's okay.

Speaker 16It's all good. What you guys are doing is quality work, and so I just have to extend that out. It's the truth, so the truth has to be said. I appreciate it. I love you guys very much. Thanks, Ian, and JoAnn, and David.

@joann_marieMuch love, 999. And thank you so much. We really do appreciate it. And we don't have to agree on everything all the time. You know, everybody has their own opinions and maybe eventually we'll see eye to eye, but it doesn't matter if we don't. And thank you so much. I loved everything you said. Anna, thank you for coming up.

@joann_marieDid you watch the debate?

Speaker 17Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me up as well. I definitely watched the debate and I was really impressed. I felt as though Candice herself, obviously, with her audience, she wasn't really there to convince any of us of anything. But my feeling really was that there was a large portion of the audience, I don't know how many viewers it was that PBD or Andrew had on their platforms, but realistically...

Speaker 17It was really important for her to come up and speak and sound rational and sound reasonable and make her argument and make her case while avoiding getting sued. But I mean, the nice thing is the girl's prepared. It was not any sweat off of her back, really, is what it looked like. Meanwhile, he couldn't even contain himself.

Speaker 17He looked to me a little bit like, you know when you have a dog that's really anxious and you have to give it like trazodone and stuff? I mean, the way that his leg was shaking, it was like, okay, so that's shaking in your boots. He was terrified. So fortunately, hopefully, now that has been put to rest and we can get back to working on solving the case because all of these distractions, none of it's going to deter Candace and none of it's going to deter any of us other investigators either.

@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up. And what was your favorite part of the debate?

Speaker 17She was so smart and strategic and well-studied. And the idea that he thought he was going to dunk on her when he could not name a single charge. He does not understand the difference between aggravated murder and a murder charge. He just clearly was unstudied and unprepared. I mean, he's reading his opening statement off of his phone.

Speaker 17It was embarrassing. And so I'm sure that whomever he was on the phone with in Tel Aviv was probably happy that he delivered his message that he was there to deliver. But realistically, I think to the viewing public, there's a reason I saw that Polymarket post by Joa that was excellent. There's a reason why the odds went down right away and the free market, it speaks for itself.

Ian MalcolmAnd I just want to call out, so for anybody not familiar, you should certainly be following Anna and not only one of the kind of strongest voices for us when it comes to exposing Thank you for joining us.

Ian Malcolmas a result have been shared, I'm sure, to people like Candace Owens, right? And so we are all kind of in this thing together and the efforts that we're taking individually, they become something far bigger than what they are. You're one of the just integral pieces of this entire thing. So I just wanted to call you out and just give you massive amounts of gratitude for that.

Speaker 17Thank you so much for saying that, Ian. I have to say this panel, this is like my dream dinner party panel. You guys are all absolutely inspirational in this movement.

Ian MalcolmIs Mrs. Nietzsche gonna cook, David?

Speaker 17I hope so.

@nietzsche258918Am I like the sommelier? What am I?

Speaker 17I think you have excellent taste. Absolutely.

Ian MalcolmWell, David, I know what you are not, which is the magician, because we're going to just be pointing at the magic act that they do over and over again, laughing at them.

@malleusigJust a warning.

Ian MalcolmAnd for anybody who didn't get the joke there, the incomparable Mr. and Mrs. Nietzsche have some of the finest meals that I've ever seen pictures of. And occasionally we get little glimpses into the life of the wonderful, intelligent, and now famous Mr. David Nietzsche and the incredible meals that his wife puts together for him.

Ian MalcolmSo just giving a little context there.

@nietzsche258918Well, she doesn't put those together because I call her stupid. So listen to the debate guy. I like our friend, the chess player, who said, you know, bad opening, really bad opening. I don't know if anybody played chess, but opening with women are dumb and then getting whipped by one. Not a good look.

Speaker 17I can't believe you paid $300,000. Oh, I'm sorry, Rabbi, go ahead.

@malleusigNo, I was just going to jump in with an attempt at a joke. I was going to say that I am nowhere near this restrained after two drinks, so just be aware of that.

Speaker 17The Sommelier will have to keep that in mind. And I'm sure that Mrs. Nietzsche has excellent taste. Clearly she does in a spouse. So that's absolutely wonderful. I did also want to mention that it's just been, it has been so wonderful to be able to connect with other people who are very Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 17I saw the little Lego video they made of you guys. It's so cute.

Speaker 17I changed it to my profile because I had to. It was so cool. That's my dream right there.

@joann_marieWell, Anna, stick around. Maybe there's people in the panel who will want to ask you questions. And thank you so much. We need to have that dinner, all of us, sometime in the next years because it would be absolutely epic. All right. IQviaJQ, Amiru. Are you excited for space?

Speaker 9What's that? Oh, yeah. I'm prepping. researching like a madman writing and I'm so excited to share what I've learned over the years because you know noticing you know there's a high IQ anti-semitism and there's low IQ anti-semitism and I think what leads to high IQ anti-semitism is going to be around the topic that we're going to discuss but you know with regards to this this debate I like it he lost the moment he began reading off a script because it just feels like his hand was told him what to say

Speaker 9and it was so ridiculous watching that and it was just downhill from there right one of the funniest things for me was every sorry every few minutes or so pbd would be like well your team wants to play a clip and every time he said that in my head i'm like well the jews want to play a clip and there's this one point where they were playing a clip and it was just like this awkward silence and it's just it was just so pathetic it just felt like a little boy

Speaker 9All these prepared things that he needed to say and do and he was flailing about. And Ian mentioned this earlier, other people mentioned this earlier, that he was automatically accusing her, and this is very telling, it's like a microcosm of the whole apparatus. Accusing her of not knowing what the charges are, despite the fact that she's been talking about it since he got shot.

Speaker 9And she just listed it off the top of her head. Then he asked about the phone and she gave the phone away and it's like, nope, there's no text messages. And They start off with the smear. That's the tell. And something that disappoints me about, let's say, the so-called noticers is, and I'm not kidding, about half of the true noticers, let's say, who are calling out all the Jewish supremacy, all the Israel bullshit, the ADL, the AIPAC, they're aware of the whole thing, but they don't like Candace for some reason.

Speaker 9As if people need to be perfect or something. I don't agree with everything Candace does. I don't agree with basically any noticer in this whole movement 100%, and that's not natural anyway. But For whatever reason, they just don't like Candace. I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but there are a lot of people who are seriously calling this stuff out daily, but they don't like what she has to say.

Speaker 9But the clue that she is on our side, I think, is the constant smear campaigns. And they're baseless smears, too. And we saw that with the Seven Charges thing, and he really doubled down on it. And that's, I think, the essence of all of their smears, is we're just going to call you wrong. And the thing is, is that with the genocide, for example,

Speaker 9If you think about that, they basically broadcasted it in 4K. We all know that they were killing these kids and killing these innocent people. And we're telling them, like, we don't believe you. No one believes you. And they're like, we don't care that you don't believe us. We own the government. We own the media. And we're just going to make it look like most of the country agrees.

Speaker 9And just, you know, hardcore Magatards and Megatards, and I would call them traitors, are the only ones really backing them up. And it's like... Do you think that has no effect? The same people that were telling us it's not a genocide to fight, despite the fact that our eyes and ears were showing us that it's a genocide, they're like, yeah, believe our FEDSLOB narrative when it comes to this, as if there's no consequence.

Speaker 9So in a way, I want to say, I don't know the exact morality of Hamas. I don't know where they stand. But whatever they ended up doing had these ripple effects, and it exposed the nature of these people. And whatever happened then, we're still experiencing the ripple effects to this day. Exposing them, exposing how blatantly they lie, and they're still doing it, and they think we're just going to run with it.

Speaker 9But I think it's just shattering right before our eyes, and I don't know why they brought Andrew. And someone was talking about why would they pay $300,000. It's like, they pay hundreds of thousands, millions to all these different politicians for receipts in Congress. It's not a big deal for them to spend that much money.

Speaker 9$300,000 is nothing. Thank you, Amiro. And the craziest part about the genocide is that they are posting the videos themselves?

@joann_marieAnd then saying that it's not true. Like, it's literally you guys post, like, it's absolutely insane. And I think they, I don't know why they chose Andrew, but I mean, maybe they don't have a lot of people who support them. They're running out of people.

@holyowningHe's the king of blood spots, blood spot bullshit.

@joann_marieIt's insane. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. And Anna, jump in whenever you want.

@joann_marieSee ya. Welcome, brother. How are you?

Speaker 18Thank you, JoAnn. Good evening, guys. I think Scott was ahead of me.

@joann_marieOh, I didn't see his hand. I'm so sorry. Okay, I'll go to Scott and then I'll go to you. Sorry. Sorry, Scott. Welcome.

Speaker 19Yeah, you are a good man. Thanks for the mic, guys. It's actually good to follow Amir because I wanted to touch on exactly what he said.

Speaker 19Every accusation is a confession, right? And when Andrew criticized or questioned whether or not Candace had received a question on her phone or whatever, and she was more than happy to hand it over to PBD and say, like, you can check. There's absolutely no, I'm not cheating here. I just know this stuff. I have, you know, I've lived this life.

Speaker 19And aside, I wish I have a friend that defends me as well as Candace is defending Charlie, you know, like looking for the truth. But the point here is that when he did that with her phone, when he read his opening statement, his opening remarks or whatever off his phone, I thought to myself, like, I went and listened back to it just to make sure I wasn't mishearing things.

Speaker 19Israel didn't come up a lot during the debate, but for the first 10 minutes, because his opening remarks were almost exclusively about the Israeli connection, the conspiracy around whatever they were saying, you know, Israel's involved in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Close your eyes, go back and listen to his opening remarks, and you can almost picture Ben Shapiro

Speaker 19Reading that, it sounds like he was provided these remarks by the Daily Wire team or by an Israeli PR firm or something. It was intentional. It was deliberate. It only lasted for the first 10 minutes and Candace didn't take the bait. And I think when she didn't take the bait and it didn't... The whole debate didn't turn into a referendum on whether or not Israel was involved.

Speaker 19She won. Because I think that was the only thing that he was prepared for. I think that he thought he was going to be defending the side that it was a domestic operation and it was Tyler Robinson, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and wanted

Speaker 19I just don't think it turned out the way he planned it and I don't think his handlers were prepared for it. It seemed as though he was unprepared and whoever he had around him just failed him. Like, absolutely failed him. Because he tried to make it about something that she wasn't prepared to talk about, didn't care to talk about, and didn't need to talk about.

Speaker 19Because she had... Countless other reasons and arguments to counteract, to just debate facts. Not even getting into the weed or the mud. When he asked her if she was getting the questions sent to her, that seemed like a guilty conscience saying, that's what's happening on my side. And if she's doing it too, then I gotcha.

Speaker 19But she didn't. She didn't buy that. And I can't... Yeah, total Candice victory, guys. Total Candice victory.

@joann_marieI love how he kept trying to bait her into her acting emotional and she was like, no, I'm going to... She was so amazing, yeah. All right. And yeah, total Candice victory. See ya! Welcome, brother. Go for it.

Speaker 18Thank you, JoAnn. Hey, Anne. David, all the friends here.

Speaker 18Well, I want to start by asking David to take it easy on us with the vocabulary that he keeps using, because I keep running back to the dictionary, you know.

@joann_marieGo harder, David, I love it. I have become a lot more articulate since Ian and David started co-hosting a lot.

@nietzsche258918Don't blame it on Nico's word of the day.

Speaker 18I can sympathize with the missus. How long have you been married, man?

@nietzsche258918Come on. Well, it's been past seven years, and she's a... Doctor of Chemistry, so she does outperform me with anything around science and her vocabulary around that.

Speaker 18Just like I say about my wife and your wife is the same, she's going straight to heaven. No matter what she does, she's going straight to heaven for putting up with us.

Speaker 18But I want to say one thing, something that you guys said and kind of like made me think a bit. When Satanyahu, the crime minister is what I like to call him, when he comes out with a statement saying that, no, we didn't do it like three hours after Charlie was assassinated, that makes me think of two scenarios. It's either they did it or he's responding to what people are saying.

Speaker 18So when I look at the second possibility, what would make people respond, say something into that regard, for him to respond to it? Just think about that.

Speaker 18But when I say who won the debate,

Speaker 18To be honest with you, I didn't watch the debate. I was busy, but I know it was Candice because she speaks truth, truth to power. So, you know, without even a second thought, she won. But I want to address the, you know, the frozen ones, as I like to call them. You know, I hope that you guys are learning your lesson.

Speaker 18The lesson is, you know, like your shekels can buy lies, can buy you all the lies that you want. But it's a short-term investment. And the $300,000 today and the APAC shekels that you've been spending lately is not working for you. So that's because it's a short-time investment. A lie is short-lived always. But on the other hand, when we look at truth, truth is priceless.

Speaker 18You cannot buy truth.

Speaker 18But sometimes truth comes at a high cost, especially to little ones. Little ones like us, for instance, that believe is that the whole is always, always greater than the sum of the parts. Always. And as you said, Ian, you know, we, the little accounts, when we propagate the same truth over and over and over again, that's the whole and not the sum of the parts.

Speaker 18Little ones like Hind Rajab, You know, you guys know who Hind Rajab was. The murdered child, the six-year-old child that was murdered by the diapered force. I like to call them the immoral diapered faggots. She listened to little Mary Fagan, somewhere up in heaven, somewhere. And because she listened to Mary Fagan on how to expose the murderers,

Speaker 18She collected the 350 bullets that were fired at her. And within her six hours of a 911 call, she was able to expose Israel. So little people do count. Little ones like the millions of us that believe in two things, and I will end with this. They believe in two things at least. That the people with power are always, always afraid of the power of the people.

Speaker 18They also believe that an injury to one is an injury to all. We stand as one and we stand as tall. Thank you.

@joann_marieBeautifully stated, Ziyad, and I loved everything you said. I 100% agree. Thank you so much for that. All right. Official, welcome.

@holyowningThank God. This is the first time I'm ever in any of these spaces. And frankly, I never really do all these things and whatever. But I saw prior to the debates and I was seeing how Andrew was talking and I was seeing the confidence, the arrogance, the... I thought he was going to come with something crazy, mind-blowing, just to see him go there.

@holyowningMan, what the hell was that? Why was it so hyped? And that's what he did. I won't lie, I'm not really one of you guys in this regard, the way you guys are, speaking about Jewish power, that kind of stuff. I wouldn't pretend that's who I am. I have a soft spot for Candice. I never really... I saw the shooting of... Charlie and I kind of thought it was the Tyler Robinson guy straight up because to me the video looks straight up so I never just bothered to interact with the evidence she provided.

@holyowningI didn't really bother myself. But I always wondered to myself, why are they so obsessed with her? Why don't they just leave her alone? Why do they make it seem like she's just after money and she's disingenuous? And then the shit this guy was saying, I watched the full interview. He just kept on attacking her and just like, you know, and he just felt like he thought it was David going up against Goliath, but he just looked like a small boy.

@holyowningHe looked like a fan. He looked like he was obsessed. Like, what's wrong with this guy? And I was just so, so like, and then I see you all come online. I'm seeing people thinking this guy won. Like, what is wrong with people? What is wrong with people? If Candace acted any way he was acting in the debate, nobody would think Candace won.

@holyowningThey would have analyzed her body language to death or to hell, whatever they say. All this shaking of the leg and all this bullshit. When she corners him, he doesn't just act honest. I mean, Mr. Man, you're like a Christian or something. At least be honest and say, okay, you got me there, blah, blah, blah. Stop acting like an agent.

@holyowningThey sent you and you have to be some kind of way. I mean, it was just like Mr. Bloodsport Debater. How does this guy have no shame? Where is the shame? I can't believe what I watched. I was telling my brothers, Because even them, they are not so... But I just told them, you have to see what... This guy is talking about women are retarded and stuff like that.

@holyowningOkay, they are retarded, but according to you, so how is this possible that she just completely outclassed you? You guys didn't even look in the same league, not in the same level. How is that possible? It was like, oh my God. The guy just looked like a little fan meeting his hero, his idol, and then just messing it up.

@holyowningI just don't even get it. I know Patrick Bedevidi is kind of Zionist, I guess. But I'm sure even him, he was like, what the hell is this bullshit? This is some sort of superstar that they are calling this next great whatever they call it. But he was just out of his league and then he paid her 300k. Isn't that crazy? He paid her money.

@holyowningYou paid her money to do this. This probably is the easiest money she will ever make in her life. Isn't that just... Oh my God, it blows my mind. I'm telling you what Candice needs to do. Candice needs to put out an offer to anybody else that's like all these Andrew Wilsons that feel so confident. Tell them, anyone of you willing to pay 400k, 500k, I am down.

@holyowningLet's do this debate. This is the way you guys all are, with your confidence, blah, blah, blah. Come up, line up, you guys all feel like you're the ones that will take me down. I mean, he was so smug, he thought he could get her, blah, blah, blah. I mean, this guy really thought he knew what he was doing. He thought he knew.

@holyowningAnd then he gets in there, he doesn't even realize what he's getting himself into. Anyhow, that's all I'll say. But, I mean, it was just ridiculous. So ridiculous. And this is stupid fanboys. No sincerity, no honesty. May God help them. It's just... What are they even saying? Man, it's just ridiculous. Anyhow, let me go see the flow.

Ian MalcolmNo, no, much appreciated in this. A quick little comment on it. The youth, they use the term sweaty in reference to people that are trying really hard and not doing such a great job with it. And that guy literally and figuratively was just, it was sweaty. You could see he was losing his grip on everything.

Ian MalcolmIt was so desperate, for real, I think. The attacks were desperate, crazy. Oh my god, I couldn't just...

@holyowningI think he was really trying to make himself seem like he was an equal to Candice and he didn't come off like that. So it's just, man. And his wife, his wife, that's like, yeah, I mean, what's wrong with these people? They're all so crazy. But that's all I'll say. No problem.

Ian MalcolmI felt bad. I do. I kind of feel bad in some sense. I'm sure he returned home and I can't help but think, I think it was Myron Gaines who shared a clip with some woman who is basically...

Ian MalcolmBut the one thing I'm pretty certain of is that his wife was probably watching it. She probably looked like in the end of Rocky, right? It was like Adrian. She was over there with her fingers over her eyes. She was just like, oh, I can't watch this anymore. So embarrassing. And to the comment that was made earlier, this is something that, you know, we don't need to celebrate in the sense of rubbing this in the eyes of others, right?

Ian MalcolmThat's not our goal. We try to rise above kind of the pettiness.

Ian MalcolmAnd it quickly went into, well, can you prove that he's just the fancy, right? All of a sudden, it was not, let's say, innocent and proven guilty. It was prove every ounce of his innocence and where he was the day all of this stuff happened, right? It was very obvious that he essentially, like Joe mentioned... He said, oh yeah, maybe like 70% certain.

Ian MalcolmHow are you going to take that position when the one that you've been taking is that anybody that's pushing back on the federal narrative is a conspiratard, right? And it was very, very laughable. And it just did, again, we don't claim, and this is one thing that I think is always really important. Officially, you just mentioned this comment, right?

Ian MalcolmThat he could have just conceded. I don't know the formal charges. Could you tell me? Let's discuss the significance of those. Maybe they could have had a conversation about why is it that he's completely ignorant on those? Why is the media not talking about it? Why is all of it just being lumped into the murder of Charlie Kirk?

Ian MalcolmAnd the answer is obviously because the media doesn't want to unpack these things. They could have had a productive and honest conversation. And instead, the reason for the sweat is because every moment... Andrew Wilson knew that he was on flimsy ground instead of just conceding and saying that's a good point, right? Which people can respect that.

Ian MalcolmInstead, he desperately, he would just try to deflect and play pill poll and ask what the definition of this word or that word. What exactly do you mean when you say he? There was one moment where Candace even said, and I'm not some super fan that watches Candace Owens. I don't actually know the last time I've even watched any of her content formally on her program.

Ian MalcolmAndrew Wilson's like, well, that's obviously a very reasonable piece of evidence. And Candace is like, you don't think on campus that there's more than one person wearing Converse? That's what you're going to do? And he was like, well, I mean, it's a good point. And she kind of looked around and... You could see it was actually, it was very similar yesterday, JoAnn, when we were talking with Austin Franco and Rabbi [guest] comedically said, you know, when he was going on like this, you should have just leaned back like you weren't paying any attention, looked over to the side and been like, hey guys, I'll be in there a couple minutes.

Ian MalcolmThis boomer is just yelling at the TV, right? Like Candace basically did that live on the air. She was just like, I'm not even, it's so ridiculous, man. And when you keep your composure and you call those things out,

Ian MalcolmThey're all interconnected. I'm sure IQviaJQ, when we have his space on kind of the psychology of the world, maybe we can have a little sidebar comment on nervousness and how it demonstrates itself and what it means, right? When a police officer pulls you over, folks, and he's like, where were you tonight? And they hold up a flashlight.

Ian MalcolmMaybe you get pulled over late at night and they ask you that question. They don't care about the answer.

Ian Malcolmto be able to determine the authenticity of what you're saying. When Andrew Wilson is sitting there twitching his leg at 88 miles an hour, he's not trying to fire up the DeLorean in his 1.21 gigawatts to go back in time and fix his terrible answers, right? It's just him being an anxious wreck because he knew he was getting wrecked.

Ian MalcolmBut anyway, JoAnn, I'm gonna turn it back over to you and David and maybe go for another 30 or 45 minutes, then we'll wrap things up. But I'll leave it in your hands, JoAnn, if that's okay. Hey, JoAnn.

Speaker 19Awesome, yeah. JoAnn, can I say one quick thing and then I'll drop?

@joann_marieYeah, go for it Scott.

Speaker 19I appreciate that. If Candace really wanted to spike the football after this debate, she'd take that $300,000 and she'd donate it to a charity that will take care of the orphan children in Gaza and she will donate that money on behalf of Andrew Wilson and TPUSA. Thank you so much, Scott. I love it. All right, Dustin, welcome.

Speaker 19Hey, thank you. This is Dustin Nemos with Nemos News, and I just wanted to say briefly, fake tears, fake bullet.

@dustinnemo4Fake Shooter or Shooters, Fake Children, Fake Blood, Blood Squib, Fake Body, Planned Ahead, Fake News, Nemos News had this all day one. Charlie the Child Trafficker is still alive, sadly. Pedophiles should all get fast trials and quick ropes. Check the comments for evidence. Nemos News.

Speaker 14Okay, thank you.

@dustinnemo4Was that AI or some shit?

@joann_marieWhat the fuck was that? No, I'm real.

Speaker 2Thank you for having me, Ian and JoAnn, David. I love you guys.

@joann_marieThis is so funny. People don't say anymore, please don't repeat anymore that he, SmokeBoy, paid any money.

Speaker 20For this, because he didn't. So don't repeat that. It came from somewhere. We don't have proof of it, but believe me, it wasn't from him. And he actually made a little bit over $74,000 from idiots like us, you know, regular people. So that's one thing I wanted to say. And listen, it was over that... So-called debate was over when she asked, Candace asked Smokeboy, hey, what do you believe, you know, the percentage, you know, chances that Tyler Robinson was the one who assassinated Charlie?

Speaker 20And he said 75 to 85%. Bam! That's it. That was over. You know why? Reasonable doubt. So acquit him. Tyler Robinson for the assassination, period. So what he was there, she got what she wanted, which was him, you know, proving to the world that there is reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson was the one who assassinated Charlie.

Speaker 20But Erica? I know Erica's listening, and to you all idiots at TBUSA, which is Demons there, guess what? You didn't get what you wanted from Candace, which is for her to, you know, get sued by you guys. She didn't fall for it, okay? She's too smart for that shit. And, yes, she does have proof.

Speaker 20She does have the proof. I do believe that. I did find out, which I didn't know, that she had spoken personally to the owner of Smokehouse, so that was awesome. And that's all I wanted to say. Thank you, guys.

@joann_marieThank you, Joann. And, yeah, no, she's so strategic, and she lets everybody lie, and... I just wanted to correct what was said earlier. He did not say 75-85%.

@joeyggggggggggHe literally said 70%, which shocked me. But also to Ian Malcolm's point, when he was talking about him, he did this weird thing that actually made me stop actually watching and just listen, put the phone in my pocket and just listen to the rest of it and kind of scraped forward because I started late. He started going on this tangent about

@joeyggggggggggProve he's the Patsy. Prove he's the Patsy. And she's literally saying, well, his DNA is not the one. It's the most degraded of all five people whose fingers have been on the trigger. You would assume that his DNA would be the most present if he was the last person to fire the gun. And they used his gun and they left it there, right?

@joeyggggggggggWhat is there to miss or spur out about that? She wasn't proving that he's a patsy. I mean, that literally shows evidence that he could be a patsy, right? His DNA is the least on it. And it was his gun that was left there. That literally is creating a patsy if all those statements wind up being true, which as of right now they are, right?

@joeyggggggggggSo I didn't get what he was doing. It made me completely lose interest. I'm like, okay, this is going to be ridiculous. First statement was about Israel. Within five minutes, he said he 70% believes it's Tyler. And then he's freaking out about things that, you know, a five-year-old would understand why that would show he's a Patsy.

@joeyggggggggggIt made me lose interest. And I really believe that, I really wish he would have stuck to the subject and went there to try to show the evidence that so many people like tactical and and people like that say they have proved the evidence. When what they prove is you can make it from the steps to the roof. Great, great evidence.

@joeyggggggggggThat doesn't mean Tyler made it from the steps to the roof. They use these sidebar evidence things that don't prove anything as proof all the time. And he didn't go there to prove anything. He literally kept, instead of saying, yeah, you're right, He would say, okay, we'll accept that one. He didn't say accept, I forget what he said.

@joeyggggggggggI'll concede. No, not concede. Someone can help me if they remember the word. He kept using it. He was like, even if I give you that one, and you're not giving me anything, that's a fact, right? And she would have to do that over and over too.

Speaker 9Sometimes he would say for the sake of argument and stuff like that, but I don't know what else.

@joeyggggggggggYeah. I wish he would have went there actually in good faith and argued the actual facts and, you know, the American people or people would have gotten a better answer. And I think he turned it into a shit show because it was a attack Candace on every point space instead of, you know, actually arguing the evidence.

@joann_marieHas he ever actually won a debate? Like every time I see him, he's just like...

@joeyggggggggggand just like freaking out like I like right now I'm like trying to think back but yeah no I mean he's known he's known for freaking out I mean that's what kind of made him more famous on uh on I forget the name of that show where they put a bunch of like whatever whatever podcast yeah yeah hold on right unfortunately it seems like you know he's really only able to win debates against young women who

Speaker 17I think are OnlyFans models. So realistically, every serious adult that he's ever spoken with has dunked on him. I'm just shocked that he was willing to pay the $300,000 that he was given from wherever just to sit through a three-hour humiliation ritual. Maybe that's his specific kink. I don't know. But either way, it was embarrassing.

Speaker 17And I'm like, okay, time for you to go right off into the sunset. He just...

@joeyggggggggggBut Anna, didn't you hear? Erica has requested a refund.

Speaker 17Exactly. And you know what? Did you guys see? I think I did post it on my page there, but there was someone caught the fact that Blake Neff had Venmo'd him with a little black girl emoji. We don't know what the amount was. That wasn't shown, but it was recent. And I was like, ah, interesting. Blake, make sure you request that refund right away.

@joann_marieHow much did he send him?

Speaker 17You know what? It's like, it's blanked out. You can't tell. That part is hidden, but the emoji, the little black girl emoji, that shows. Isn't that funny? Yes, I know. Embarrassing.

@joann_marieAll right. I don't see any more hands, but if anyone wants to add anything, go for it. Okay. Candence, welcome.

Speaker 21Hey, thank you. Hi Anna, I love you.

@joann_marieI love you too, hi. We all love Anna.

Speaker 21Yeah. Okay, so I've been kind of sitting back and like biting my tongue. I haven't really spoke out yet today in any spaces. I've been all over the place making comments, of course, but just trying to like kind of gather my thoughts on this whole thing because there's, I mean, it was three hours. There's a lot to it, you know, and I think overall my, my,

Speaker 21I don't know. I definitely feel like Candice won, for sure. I feel like she stood her ground, like she should, and we knew she would. But I do have some issues with it, and I know I'm going to get some pushback on this, probably. So basically, I didn't like the format. That was my main issue with it. I didn't like the setup.

Speaker 21and I'm not like a debate expert so I don't know like you know do people not usually reference their notes or have any sort of you know material with them to back things up other than having someone pull up a clip or whatnot right because I really wanted her to focus on diminishing the evidence that's been presented that we all know is

Speaker 21either altered or falsified or whatever, like the DNA not being, well, no, okay. So I made some notes, okay, guys? Bear with me. I love it. Yes, go for it. Okay. So like just diminishing the evidence, right? Like in his face, the surveillance video being altered and all that stuff, right? I mean... I know he's not going to agree with her, but my thing was with PBD's audience, you know, those people that watch his show are mostly asleep.

Speaker 21And they're being told all these lies all the time. You know, that Benny's telling and Officer Tatum's telling and all that shit. So it was like, okay, I looked at this as like a great opportunity for his audience to see... Some evidence that they wouldn't normally see because they don't watch Candice. They maybe have never even heard of Candice for Crane Out Loud, honestly.

Speaker 21So I didn't like the structure of the debate in not being able to use materials and photos. And then also... What was I going to say? I forget now. But I wanted her to bring up the fact that there was no DNA of Tyler Robinson's found on the roof anywhere. Climbing over the little guard and like climbing off of the roof and all that good shit.

Speaker 21I don't know what he would have said to that. I mean, like, hello.

Speaker 20Hi, Candice. Let me help you there. I don't know if there's any... Raed Jamal رائد جمال, Scott Riener, IQviaJQ2, GameOfThrones

Speaker 20And then the monitor, okay, Patrick David, moderator, Patrick David, thank you. If you dig into who he is... I know all about him. Okay, so if you go to his page, you see him posting that Smokeboy is going to release the text that obviously... TBUSA and Erica sent him proof that Charlie received a text or sent a text regarding a lefty or whatever, right?

Speaker 21Yeah, LGBTQ stuff.

Speaker 20And my response to that is, yes, is it going to be as believable as the text that Tyler Robinson sent to Lance?

Speaker 21or as the video they put out of Charlie saying that Erica would be the perfect person to take over his company. So...

Speaker 22Wait, hold on. Y'all actually think your girl did good? This is hilarious.

@joann_marieWe don't. Yeah. We're so proud of her and also a lot of people also believe... You guys believe in lizard people too? We don't.

Speaker 17All right. Michigan Sam.

Speaker 22Okay.

@nietzsche258918Name one piece of solid evidence that she provided. Hold on. Hold on. Listen. I understand how narcissism works, NPD works, but we're going to go to other people, and I know every narcissist does the same thing. They come into space, I'm the princess, everybody, but that's not going to happen here, okay? So please be silent, let other people talk.

@nietzsche258918Thank you.

Speaker 21Okay, can I finish, guys? Is that okay? I just have a couple more things. I'll be quick, I swear. So I also wanted her to talk about how the screwdriver moved, you know? We all know about that.

Speaker 21I don't know what he would have said to that. And I wish she would have pressed him more when she asked him about the charging documents and what he was charged with. She asked if he could name one, and he said, yeah, but can you name seven?

Speaker 21What would he have said to that? He's such a fucking expert. And that wasn't brought up and I wish it was. That's all.

@nietzsche258918Well, the one exception I take to that is I don't know if that is going to ensue when you need so badly to sort of narrow the debate like it is. I don't think, because look at the number of people that this person could debate for free. And I accept Ian Malcolm's point that, okay, If you debate the citizen journalists like Sam Parker or, let's say, Diligent, it wouldn't be as big of an audience, right?

@nietzsche258918But if you actually care about the facts, and here you've got a citizen journalist saying, here are all the facts. Name the fact. We'll chase it down. We'll talk about it. But the one thing you don't get to do, which he was doing, was when you get embarrassed, you say, okay, and then you pivot. Well, what about, no, no, no, no, no, no.

@nietzsche258918Let's stick to this. I don't let people do that in a personal debate. I'm like, whoa, are you saying that I'm right? We're not going to just move on. You made this an issue. I responded to it. Am I right or wrong? It's the Sullivan rule. No one gets to leave the room until one of us gets to tell the other that they're right or that they admit that they're wrong.

@nietzsche258918And then here's the other thing, too, is does Israel win? I mean, these people are all here for Israel. Come on, let's be honest. It's what it is. Does Israel win? I mean, come on, if you all come out and you so stridently, with billions of dollars of media behind you, say, this is the most important trial in the world for us.

@nietzsche258918Okay, well, you look really guilty. First of all, you probably shouldn't have done that. Silence would have been less violence to your cause, if you want to put it that way. And then the second thing is, well, okay, don't set the bar. We know that you're full of it when you decide that I have to prove negative. We're going to go back before 3,000 years ago, we're going to go back before the Code of Hammurabi.

@nietzsche258918The innocence until proven guilty thing, that's out the window because we think that if he's found innocent that Israel is going to be proven guilty and we just can't have that. So, number one, I don't think he's going to go and talk to intelligent people. I think he still needs to be...

@nietzsche258918How does Israel make out on this?

Speaker 21Raed Jamal رائد جمال, Scott Riener, IQviaJQ2, GameOfThrones

@holyowningFrom the beginning, Andrew never really...

Speaker 21I don't want to cut you off, but I understand that. I'm disagreeing with the rules and the contract that they had. That's all. I get why they did it the way they did or she did it the way she did and she didn't break down all the evidence. I get why she didn't do that because there was a contract. I don't think there should have been a contract that prevented her from being able to do that.

Speaker 21It's a debate. She's debating her evidence. She's presented... You know what I mean?

Speaker 9If I may, just jump in. If I may, jump in just really quick here. I completely understand her hands being tied in this debate. And David, you can tell me what you think of this, but I think really the challenge was, is she going to look like a crazy person? Because that's really how they've been portraying her. We've all seen that gif of her shaking her head.

Speaker 9Right. And it was just her miming something, but they made it seem like that's really how she is. She really, I think she chose composure over like punchiness and arguments. I don't know if, David, you agree with me, but that's what I noticed.

Speaker 22The answer was she looked nuts.

@joann_marieI agree with that and I loved it. We didn't ask your father.

@holyowningYeah, but I think it's the fuck that from the beginning.

@nietzsche258918She provided zero evidence for a single client. Stop talking. Someone else is talking, okay? I think it's the fact that from the beginning...

@holyowningReally very difficult. I don't even think Candace has ever mentioned this guy at all in any setting for any reason. But for some reason, he just felt like he needed to attack her, to torture her, to try and make her seem... He doesn't even really know this person and he's like... He's just going with what everybody told him.

@joann_marieThat's what he does all the time. He's only used to battling people in OnlyFans. He met someone who actually knows their facts and lost and that's what happened.

@holyowningTo me, that's just so weird for you to not really know somebody and then you just go into there and you just want to sort of make them out into what they actually aren't and it's like... For what? Like, I just, the sense. So, Candice had to just treat him the way, you know, you're just like, I see what you are. I see what you're trying to do.

@holyowningI see you thinking that you look like a star to all your little fans. And I recognize all that. So, I'm just going to handle you like the type of person that you are. You're just like, you're an agent. You're trying to make your side look wonderful and whatever. I'll collect your money and I'm going to... Let You Look Like The Dumbass That You Really Are

@holyowningShe was just catching everything he was trying to do. He wasn't ready for that. You could see his eyes watering up because the guy was like, he didn't really know what to do. He was like, you know, she had him on her palm. I think there was one thing she said. She said she wants everything to look like he's getting what he wants so that it's like...

@holyowningIt's not that he's going to be able to complain, that kind of stuff. She just knew everything he was going to do. The guy wasn't prepared for the type of intelligence. I'm like, what the hell? This chick is crazy. I was just shouting in my room, like, what? This is crazy. And all these guys like, sorry, let me stop.

@joann_marieYeah, excellent points. Thank you so much. Okay, John, go for it.

@joeyggggggggggOh, no, I'm waiting for father to go.

@joann_marieOkay, father. Go for it.

@joann_marieFather of Ohio State football.

Speaker 22Yeah, I know. Give me one second. Hold on.

@joann_marieHe only knows how to interrupt.

Speaker 22He doesn't know how to talk.

@joann_marieI know. Okay, in the meantime, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and bookmark it. It helps so much with the algorithm. And follow Ian and David and Jo and IQviaJQ and everybody on the panel. Except Father. He seems like a little bit off. But, no, really happy to be here with you all.

Speaker 9That was 20 seconds, father. You needed one.

@joeyggggggggggYeah. They only post once a year, though, JoAnn. So, you know, I don't think they'd get much if they followed him.

Speaker 9Well, in the meantime, David, do you agree with me that it was more a battle of kind of like defeating this image of her? Because they've dehumanized her so much that it doesn't matter what she says, they just see her as wrong. And I think by keeping her composure in the face of his shaking foot, it was really, that was the battle.

@nietzsche258918I think she was more Money Mayweather than Mike Tyson. You just couldn't lay a glove on her. But I will say this. What he was doing was harder than what she was doing. Because he has to make the case that no one else should be considered. I mean, he's defending... I mean, the only people that are really interested in his side are people who defend pure evil.

@nietzsche258918I mean, that is it. They're the same people, with rare exception, that will tell you that the genocide we've watched in 1080p isn't a genocide. And they need this to not be Israel, and I still say, if it wasn't so, this really wouldn't be a big issue. The people on our side, I just want to remind everyone, we still hold out the possibility, hey, maybe it was Tyler, A.

@nietzsche258918Two, maybe it was Tyler and co-conspirators, including Israel, B. or maybe it was just Israel or maybe it was Israel and someone else or maybe it was someone else that didn't involve any of these people. This is the way rational people think. But when people say they needed to be Tyler Robinson and they're convinced with, I'm sorry, but the evidence just has so many holes in it.

@nietzsche258918And again, if you go to diligence races, they've been going over these ever since it happened and it becomes worse and worse and worse for the opposition and they've indeed backed away or admitted they've destroyed evidence, all these other things. So it really is a more difficult proposition for him, given that it has to be one thing for her.

Speaker 23IQ.

@nietzsche258918Well said.

Speaker 22You've got to call them by name, so I don't know. All right. It's real simple, actually. That's not how that works.

@nietzsche258918I have one question for you. Is it a genocide in Gaza?

Speaker 22Yes, of course. Anyways. Yeah, I don't know what that, that has literally nothing to do with this, but that's fine. That's not how, that has nothing to do with the affirmative position. I don't know, maybe you talk about rationality, right? When you make claims, like for example, France and Israel are complicit and involved, it's on that person making the claim to provide the evidence.

Speaker 22That's how that works. And guess what? She didn't provide any evidence. She didn't provide any evidence, even if it is the case that Tyler Robinson doesn't get found guilty or gets found innocent, whatever the case, that doesn't then automatically equal Israel is at fault. That's not how that works.

@nietzsche258918Hold on. Don't try to substitute volume for thought. But the question for you I have is, the debate here is about Tyler Robinson's presumptive guilt or innocence. How do you think that went?

Speaker 22No, the debate was about, did Candace Owens have evidence for her conspiracy theory claims?

@nietzsche258918That was what the debate was about. No, incorrect. The debate was about... No, that's what the debate was about. Incorrect. No, no. No, that is correct.

Speaker 22And she failed miserably to provide any evidence for any of her claims.

@nietzsche258918Good. But you see, notice this is the trick, and I'm glad you're basically demonstrating in front of everybody else. The trick is, did now, all of a sudden... It's innocent until proven guilty. No, no, no, that is not the case. And of course, I'm sorry, but they should get their shekels back if he doesn't at least make it seem that's his job there, that Tyler Robertson is irrevocably guilty and guilty alone.

Speaker 22And if he failed- His guilt and innocence doesn't automatically equate to Israel being complicit. That's not how that works.

@nietzsche258918I'm sorry, but- I'm not even yelling. Yes, you're raising your voice. You don't have to do that. But no, no, I'm telling you that if he was unable to do that, then you failed.

Speaker 22Okay, and then she failed to back up any of her conspiracy theories. Point blank, period. She provided zero evidence, and when she was pressed to provide any evidence, you know what her excuse was? Well, it's a private person that told me this. I can't reveal any actual evidence. I don't have any evidence to present. It's just someone telling me things.

Speaker 22Well, guess what? Guys, everyone on the panel, is somebody telling me something? Can I please reply to him?

@joeyggggggggggBecause even if you take, Father, the fact that I disagree with that this was not about whether Tyler was guilty or not, okay? And let's argue that this was just to prove whether her conspiracy theories were true or not. Well, first off, they're theories, right? What she has provided, she provided video that no one had seen before that he does the crawl that the military uses.

@joeyggggggggggShe provided evidence of the video of him coming off the roof and the camera tracks him as if someone knew that was the person to track. She provided evidence of someone who said I believe 100% that this is Tyler. She's provided evidence that there was a hell of a lot of Israeli phones at that location. She's provided evidence of someone from TPSA saying the Foreign Legion was involved.

@joeyggggggggggShe's provided all this evidence. It's in her timeline. So if you're confused...

Speaker 22Her evidence is a private source.

@joeyggggggggggIt doesn't matter the source.

Speaker 22Her evidence is a private source. No, it does actually.

@joeyggggggggggIf you can't pick up your sourcing... Sir? Sir?

@joann_marieSir? Stop interrupting. We're going to listen to JoAnn right now, okay?

@joeyggggggggggYeah, if you could please not scream, like it doesn't help your argument to be screaming, just so you know.

Speaker 22I'm not even screaming.

@joeyggggggggggYes, you are. Okay, that's a subjective conclusion. Sir, calm down. Okay, Father, if the government presents a photograph of someone in a stairwell, is that evidence?

Speaker 22Yeah, just like Andrew said, even... Hold on. I'm answering the question. I'm answering the question. He asked me a question. Are you going to let me answer? Okay. Even if you want to say that's not him in the stairwell, and this is the point Andrew brought up, even if you want to say that's not him, I'm answering the question.

Speaker 22Even if you want to say that's not him, I am. So I wasn't allowed to interrupt.

@joeyggggggggggFather, stick to the question. I asked you if... I wasn't allowed to interrupt, but you can interrupt me.

Speaker 22Is that how that works?

@joeyggggggggggBecause you're not answering the question, Father.

Speaker 22I'm going to answer the question how I want to answer it. You can't pigeonhole me. Just like Candace Owens said, right? Candace Owens said the same thing. You can't pigeonhole me to answer how you want to answer. Hold on. Joe, what was the question? Go ahead.

@joeyggggggggggThe question was, if the state presents a photograph of someone in the stairwell, is that considered evidence? That is the question. That's a simple yes or no. I mean, you can... It's a piece of evidence within a broader case.

Speaker 22Now I'm going to finish saying what I'm saying. Even if, for the sake of argument, even if you want to say, well, that's not sufficient enough to prove Tyler is guilty or innocent, I'm perfectly there with you. But that doesn't automatically take the leap. I'm not done. That doesn't automatically take the leap to now implementing France and Israel into some large conspiracy.

Speaker 22Okay, are you going to ignore the point I just said?

@joeyggggggggggNo, because that's not a point anyone's making.

Speaker 22Steal, man, what I said.

@joeyggggggggggSteal, man, what I said. No one's making that point. It was part of the debate, buddy.

Speaker 22It wasn't just whether Tyler was innocent or guilty. I'm addressing your claim.

Speaker 22Have a large conspiracy theory to unalive Charlie Kirk. She sounds like a nutbag.

@joeyggggggggggShe sounds like a nutbag.

Speaker 22And on top of that, is there a future telling technology?

@nietzsche258918Do you believe there's future telling technology that she's a nutbag? You just got to stop screeching. It's funny to screech and say she sounds like a nutbag. I mean, dude, you sound like a nutbag. So see if you can imagine what a calm person would do now and do that.

Speaker 22That's a subjective opinion. I think, David, you're actually being unreasonable. That's a subjective opinion about how someone's acting.

@joeyggggggggggI am addressing his claims. I'm addressing your claims, Father. You said that she presents no evidence.

Speaker 22Steel Man, what was my claim? What was my actual claim?

@joeyggggggggggYou said that she presents no evidence and that she uses anonymous sources.

Speaker 22No evidence of what, specifically?

@joeyggggggggggYou said no evidence. So that's no evidence at all.

Speaker 22Specifically, I said I had a claim. What was my actual claim? You don't even know what my claim was, and then you want a debate, bro. You're getting cooked right now. I can answer your claim.

@joeyggggggggggTell us your claim.

Speaker 22Someone give me actual evidence that I can find. Ohio State, you gotta shut the fuck up, man. You really gotta shut the fuck up. You've been talking too long. I'm sorry, I don't want to interrupt this dude, but you... I think it's the future technology that she claimed stopped in 2012. Remember that one?

@joeyggggggggggThe technology... Look, I'm not... There's a lot I disagree with Kansas.

Speaker 24There's a lot I disagree with Kansas.

@joeyggggggggggAnd I'm not even convinced whether it was Israel, not Israel, our government, not our government. I don't know yet. All Ohio State wants to hear.

@joeyggggggggggYou cannot name the source of who gave the video of Tyler.

Speaker 22I said no evidence of which claim, Joa. This isn't hard. I get it. You're low IQ. I understand. No evidence of which claim.

@evavonbrauFrance and Israel. You're really going to argue for this shit?

Speaker 22Let me look at the semantic future telling technology that Candace made.

@evavonbrauI'm looking at you. You're the father of Ohio State. I'm not going to call you father, okay, Ohio State? I'm not going to fucking call you that, football fanatic. And you're going to fucking come in here I don't believe in coincidences. Maybe you fucking do, but I sure as shit don't. How convenient, how convenient that the moment

@evavonbrauThe moment that Charlie Kirk left Israel and made it known that he was leaving them and he was no longer supporting them and he was no longer going to have anything to do with them and that the fucking Jews are exactly what people say they fucking are, he dies! How fucking convenient! And then it's just like, oh no, well that's not evidence because it's just circumstantial.

@evavonbrauDid Israel kill JFK? Because I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that they did since the files have been released and we all know this for a fucking fact.

@evavonbrauWe cannot investigate foreign interference with Charlie Kirk's death? That does not suspect you at all? Are you fucking kidding me? Go back to watching football, bro. Because you really are over your fucking head here. And it's ridiculous listening to you. That's why I am upset from listening to you and how upset you are over bullshit.

@evavonbrauGo back to watching sports. Turn off your fucking brain. Go back to Ohio State, bro. Go back. That's your child. Ohio State football is your child. Go back. Goodbye.

@nietzsche258918So let me just make this point. Wow. I'd love to finish. Okay, go ahead.

@joeyggggggggggSorry, sorry, David.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, and sorry, JoAnn. I had to drop the guy. I can't be screamed at. I just can't. It's okay.

@joann_mariePinatas sometimes are fun, but this guy was too loud.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, the whole, like, I have to insult everybody. By the way, this is a microcosm of exactly what we're talking about. I have to be mean and nasty and tell everybody they're retarded. By the way, nobody ever looked more intelligent by saying that. So just, you know, be calm, be rational, posit your position, you know.

@nietzsche258918So go ahead, Joe.

@joeyggggggggggYeah, look, he started his claim by she presents no evidence of any of her claims. And then once I called him out that he can't present who the source is of the video in the stairwell, then he changed the story and said it was just about Israel. So even about the Israel thing, Eva brought up some of the points, but to play out the timeline, Harrison basically said that one of Charlie Kirk's friends told him that he was scared of being killed by Israel.

@joeyggggggggggWe then find out a week later that his donors are leaving him and that it's frustrating him. Then we see that he's being attacked and people are calling for him to be killed, that he's now an anti-Semite, this and the other thing. Megan Kelly then also joins the party and also does that. And then a week after that, he's killed on top of a bunch of Israeli phones being present here, on top of the fact that this is the only Christian organization in all of America that has so much Israeli money.

@joeyggggggggggThere is no other except for Churches for Israel or whatever it's called.

@joeyggggggggggI'm saying there is evidence. And to negate that fact and be like, oh, you believe in crazy lizard people is absolutely insane. And if you go look at the timeline, he typically argues about the Odyssey, Spider-Man, and Batman movies. I think he should go back to sticking to how much the box office for Spider-Man was and how happy he was because Odyssey was the best movie ever made.

@joeyggggggggggI think he should go back to that.

@nietzsche258918And let me pose this as a question to you, right to your point about evidence. If a husband said, That if he dies, that he believes that his wife is trying to kill him. That would obviously be evidence. Okay, and then if we found out that the wife has a million dollar insurance policy, which adds to the motive, that would be evidence.

@nietzsche258918That doesn't mean that she's guilty, but that means that we've got motive, and then you think of opportunity. So all of these things constitute evidence. Isn't that your point?

@joeyggggggggggYeah, 100%. Like, especially the Israel thing, the Foreign Legion thing. Actually, first time I heard it was during the debate, so I haven't looked into it. But about the Israel thing, I mean, there's a ton of evidence that could point. And like you said correctly, David, it doesn't mean they're guilty, but it could also.

@joeyggggggggggSo it is still evidence, period.

@nietzsche258918But this is what is turning the opposition into such screeching banshees like we just heard, intolerably so. This is the biggest assassination in American history since JFK. And you notice they don't want to talk about that. They want to stop the conversation about that. So notice the conversation is, Candace said this about this, and now the whole conversation meant, of course, to convince everybody that she's not worth listening to about anything else.

@nietzsche258918Nudge, nudge, I think we all know why. Well, that tells you everything. Everybody that's trying to stop the conversation is obviously in some way, shape, or form compromised. And if they wanted to keep going, look, I'm sorry, but we're rearranging the chairs on the decks of the Titanic, and we're talking about something other than, is Tyler Robinson guilty?

@nietzsche258918Is he guilty alone? Did Israel have something to do with this? And anybody that says, well, we can't talk about that, well, I'm sorry, but it just adds to the presumption, or the look of guilt, not the presumption of guilt. What do you think about that, Joe?

@joeyggggggggggYeah, 100%. And this is why I've been on many spaces with Zionist people under a different account because they won't let me up if it's me. And when they like, she hasn't presented any evidence and all her sources are mysterious. I always bring up the staircase. Like, is the photograph evidence? Do you know who handed that evidence to them about the picture in the staircase?

@joeyggggggggggAnd they can't. So it is the same standard and I'm holding the same standard. Even with this thing with people looking at the converse, a lot of people point to Lance Twiggs has those sneakers, but I have a photograph of Tyler having those sneakers as well. So I try to actually analyze this from both sides. They pick an identity and they just go with the narrative.

@joeyggggggggggAnd the thing that bothers me and the reason why I hang out much more in the it's probably not Tyler spaces is because Most people here would say, look, if it winds up being Tyler and the evidence points that way, all of us are okay with that. We just want the truth where they will never say, they'll always say that, no, no, no, this is Tyler and everything else besides that is fake.

@joeyggggggggggAnd that's the issue is that even their proponent that got $300,000 to go, even he said 70%, right? That's not beyond a reasonable doubt. And you're talking about putting a person in prison for life. When a lot of things don't make sense, the bullet can't be identified, the barrel doesn't have the same markings, they couldn't conclude that it has the same markings, the DNA on the trigger, Tyler has the least, the screwdriver, which I keep hearing the story and I don't know if it's true or not that the screwdriver wasn't actually on the roof, it was near the roof, so that doesn't even put Tyler on the roof, although it could be Tyler or Lance.

@joeyggggggggggbecause those are the two DNA matches on the screwdriver. So what is, at the moment, anything concrete that this was Tyler? The closest thing is that his lover says, it could be him, it looks like clothes he wears, but I don't recognize that hat, so I'm not 100% sure. That's the closest. Andrew Wilson is 100% positive that it's Tyler in the stairwell.

@joeyggggggggggI really want to know what relationship he had with Tyler before that he's so certain that's Tyler. Is he a ScornX lover or what actually happened that he's so positive and his own lover, current lover, didn't know it was him? It's just mind-boggling to me.

@nietzsche258918Great points, my friend. Dr. Strange, what do you have to say?

@submission2tI just came up to actually share that video that we spoke about earlier. I put it in the Jumbotron for anybody who wants to take a look, share. I think it's when you see all the stuff that Charlie Kirk said over the years, it paints a picture. It paints a very specific picture. And please feel free to share. If you have any criticism, let me know.

@submission2tI can always modify it. Just came up here to say that. Thanks.

@nietzsche258918And basically, sorry JoAnn, that montage is wonderful. I will be sharing it out. And basically that montage speaks back to what JoAnn said. That's all evidence. That's all evidence. Now, suppose in some sort of strange alternate conspiracy world, there was a Wikipedia page dedicated to Israel's assassination. The Assassination Nation, you know that one by way of the seed?

@nietzsche258918They actually brag about it. It's on Wikipedia. That's, as Tucker Harrelson said, this is one of their main pieces of modus operandi, is to kill people for the benefit of Israel. And remember, they always act in a state of paranoia. Whatever evil we have to do, including genocide, we are willing to do that. By the way, it strikes me as very, very odd, because I'm big on pattern recognition.

@nietzsche258918If someone comes along and says, yeah, that's a genocide, But I would never suspect a country that owns the giant megaphones in America and the financial systems and commits genocide to be willing to kill the second most important person to them in the entire country. And then notice another piece of evidence, Joa, that TPUSA went entirely Israeli demonic.

@nietzsche258918I mean, I... What's left for them to sing Hava Nagila at the beginning of every show? I mean, this is supposed to be a Christian organization. And now they make war on every new Charlie Kirk. Everybody that comes along. Look at the montage that Dr. Strange just put up. Every new person that comes along and says the things that Charlie Kirk says, TPUSA, makes war up.

@nietzsche258918Nothing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the Yelpy maniacs. Nothing you can do is going to stop the noticing.

@submission2tDavid, to your point, so a while back ago, whenever I asked Grok or any other AI which state has committed the most number of political assassinations, state-sponsored political assassinations, since 1950, all AI would come back and say Israel, more so than the Soviet Union, the US. I think they put it at 250. and I have a list of my own that specifically identifies 58.

@submission2tSo I used to do this...

@joeyggggggggggTargeting Science is also their number one.

@submission2tYeah.

@joann_marieThose are the ones that we know of. Imagine all the ones that we don't know of. That's insane.

@submission2tBut they had to... They circumcised Grok because when you ask it now, it doesn't give you that answer. It kind of beats around the bushes and...

@submission2tOh, they did it. And anybody who does, they're making an emotional statement. But there's definitely motive that needs to be explored. And that's what many people have stated. But unfortunately, the FBI did not explore that or pursue that path. I landed there.

@joeyggggggggggCan I add, just to teach people something about AI, because you brought up a really good point. They are playing with the algorithms on AI. I know they are because... For months, I would ask AI if they could choose one of the Abrahamic religions, which one would they choose? And it wouldn't choose. Now it says it would be Jewish.

@joeyggggggggggWhat you do and how you change it is when you question AI about things and it gives you a wrong answer, like if you ask Rock about who's killed the most people, you give it the information and it will accept it. If enough people do that, the AI will take that as fact. And then you undo what Israel has done. So I'm just letting people know that, you know, it's worth actually pushing back.

@joann_marieAnd I have a question. Okay, so sometimes I ask rock something in private and it's like, yeah, this happened, you know, and I'm like, okay, cool. And then I go into the comments and I'm like, okay, rock. So did this happen? Well, I mean, and then start like changing the answers. You told me like in private that this did happen, you know, and it's like, well, I mean, it did.

@joann_marieBut I mean, can we say it like that? You know, and it started like wobbling. So why?

@nietzsche258918Waffling. The classic example is, is it a genocide in Gaza?

@rectheregimeYeah, I mean, they're paying and they're training the AIs. They're making up pages of websites all over the place and then training the AI bots on this stuff. And so we need to retrain them, as Joe was pointing out. We need to re-educate them, so to speak.

@joann_marieBut that does happen, right, Joanne? It tells you something different in private? Like, why?

@joeyggggggggggYeah, it's using a different model. That's why if you go into SuperGrok, you're using one model. When you ask Rok in a timeline something, it's a different model. It's not as strong as the other one. And that's why they're different is because they are training, like Michael was saying, it is training on different data.

@joeyggggggggggSo the SuperGrok will have more websites, except... Israel's creating websites that has like an army of creating source information, which Grok has been pulling and other AIs pull from and take us back because there's so many of them. The thing is, is there are a lot more of us than there are of them. And if people push back, it will learn because it will look for source information.

@joeyggggggggggSo if you give it source information, it will retrain itself. And that's why if you remember, The one time that Grok went crazy and they had to pull it back is because everyone was pushing back on Grok at the time. So then Grok went completely the other way like crazy. But that's what's happening. But now it is with source information.

@joeyggggggggggSo you do have to give it. It can't just be opinion. Hey, you're wrong. No, this happened. You have to give it sources and it will take that.

@yoteofstreetCan I chime in on that real quick? Because I got something. Is that okay?

@joann_marieYeah, go for it, good job, and welcome.

@yoteofstreetAppreciate it. Thank y'all. Good evening, everybody. I hope y'all enjoyed the debate I did. So the thing on the grok is that I found the other day, so Donald Trump, he's got 75 cases that he's lost on the free speech aspect of it. So free speech First Amendment case is 75. I think it's 93 or 96 that he's lost, which is very concerning to me because that's my thing.

@yoteofstreetA lot of things, but not when it comes to freedom of speech. Anyway, Rod just brought it up. I had it on the voice. I was just chit-chatting. And he brought it up. He's like, man, I don't like doing this. It was something along the lines of that. And I was kind of like, what are you talking about? And he's like, well, I have to fact-check everything that...

@yoteofstreetI have to fact check, basically saying that he's got to double check if it involves Trump. And then he said Israel. I was like, what the fuck? Nobody was talking about Israel, bro. So it's like, of course me, you know, any of us would be like, what? What do you mean? And then he just goes in to say like that he's running on troops.

@yoteofstreetBecause he's got that instilled in him. So it was having a hard time with it because it didn't bias. I got it recorded somewhere. I need to post that. But it's true. I don't know why nobody can talk about this. It's the one thing that never gets answered and never gets asked enough. But it's when Trump sent out that truth of that billboard in Tel Aviv after Charlie Kirk got killed.

@yoteofstreetR.I.P. Shlomo Pearl. It's the weirdest shit to me. I don't understand it. Nobody ever focuses on it. It's kind of a big deal because it's even if you can't grasp, oh, does it mean this, that? Who gives a shit what it means? It's a fucking Tel Aviv billboard. And it was on the 13th or the 12th. It was like the first one after Charlie Kirk's death.

@yoteofstreetBut yeah, I wanted to say on this one, I don't know if y'all discussed this. I found it rather intriguing that there's only been two or excuse me, one person that's been on Joe. Rogen's podcast twice in the year 2026, and this is solo, just to come out one. And that was Andrew Wilson. Now, he's not a big star, so you figure if this was Elon Musk or something, yeah, you'd want to have him on twice, three times, whatever.

@yoteofstreetBut it's very weird to me, as Ian would say, a little weird that it was Andrew Wilson once in January, once in August. So it kind of...

@nietzsche258918All right, my friend. And, you know, as if we needed any more support for your and Dr. Strange's and Jo's point of view about them training and JoAnn training AI. Ian, a few days ago, Ian Malcolm posted, it's hilarious and true. Those things can be natural concomitants. It was him asking Grok, wouldn't, you know, would it be reasonable?

@joeyggggggggggWas that you imitating Ian in the attempt?

@nietzsche258918So anyway, let me finish. So Ian posts this wonderful post where he says, he's asking Grok, is it reasonable to criticize if two people that comprise 2% of the population have this vast control over media and such? And as if just to crack under confession with the, you know, light blaring down on the face, interrogation, Grok just folds like a lawn chair and says,

@nietzsche258918Although the Jews don't really have that much power. It's like, what? He never mentioned them. He never meant the lady again. The AI lady doth protest too much. So yeah, they have way, it's obvious. And we all know it. What do you have left? Again, back to the Cinderella man. You were taking the punch of all your censorship, of all of your authoritarianism, of all your assassination, of your genocide, everything.

@nietzsche258918And we're standing up and saying, we're not digging tunnels. We're not digging bunkers. We're just standing right out here as blue-collar, white-collar, black-white Americans just saying, it's obviously Jewish supremacy. It's you. What else you got?

@yoteofstreetDavid, our big challenge is going to be this, man. I've been kind of saying it, but I've seen it again last night. It was in Godfroy and his... There's a lot of people that understand these things, and they're just logical thinkers, pragmatic individuals. But for some reason, and it goes to say, it's like they got to keep coming up and bringing, you know, and I get all this Islam and, you know, this, that, and the other or whatever, like, okay, bro, but when you bring it on to this extent, it's like a coping mechanism.

@yoteofstreetAnd that goes to say, they always end up going back to some Gog Magog war type kind of, you know, belief system. And it's a blinding them, brother. I don't know how to say

@yoteofstreetI can't, it pisses me off to say this, but I don't think that they, I think they believe the way that they believe and they're just, they're blinded, bro. I don't know. It's going to be a mental health thing.

@evavonbrauMay I please answer this, David?

@nietzsche258918Yeah, you can respond. Let me just say this really quickly.

@evavonbrauI'm sorry that I interrupted earlier. I really didn't mean to, but that one dude was driving me crazy. Anyways, Coyote, can you hear David?

@joann_marieI don't think she can hear you. Okay.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, I can hear him. Oh, okay. Yeah. Very quickly, very quickly. I will never forget the moment when Thomas Massey was almost getting his legislation passed right before he did to expose the Epstein class that Donald Trump is defending. Mike Johnson oddly said, there are national security interests here. And it's just like, this is back to what Coyote was saying a minute ago.

@nietzsche258918How does your jaw not drop? How is it not drop when it's like, wait, you mean exposing child rape and sex trafficking to extort the wealthiest and richest and most powerful people in the world has national security interests that makes us not want to expose that? We'll let it all come crashing down, bitch. I mean, that's the most evil thing.

@nietzsche258918I'm on the side of the children in Gaza because I'm on the side of humanity. I'm not a Gazan. I'm an American, and that's what Americanism is supposed to stand up. So yeah, I absolutely agree with you. Coyote, great points. That was one of those moments that just, I still cannot get it out of my head that he said that.

@joann_marieI just want to say hi to Mandy really quick that she came up to say hi. Hey, Mandy. How are you?

Speaker 25Hello. I had something to say earlier. There was that guy spurging out about how Candace lost the debate or whatever. And I just wanted to point out that wasn't the only person who came to this debate with new evidence, Andrew, but then he wouldn't show it to anybody? Didn't he have some text or something and then he wouldn't show it to anybody?

Speaker 25And Candace was like, well, let us see it. And he was like, well, no, I'm going to show it on my show. So he's the only one actually literally withholding evidence.

@joann_marieThat's true! I forgot about that great points, Mandy.

Ian MalcolmAlso, let's keep in mind he spent $300,000 to go on her show and then was like, no, I'm going to save this for my audience that's a fraction the size. That doesn't really hold a lot of water.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, I think if we meet, Ian, if you and I meet to thumb wrestle and you pay me $300,000 to do it, I don't think it matters who wins the thumb. I think I won, okay? I've got the $300,000.

@joann_marieHe was very obviously lying. He just wanted to have something there.

Ian MalcolmI wouldn't accept any more than $271,000.

@joann_marieExcellent point, Mandy. Thank you. All right, Eva, go for it. And then I'll go to you, Rock.

@evavonbrauSorry, I just wanted to respond to what Coyote was saying, because the thing you're missing is that it's called brainwashing. The whole US population has been brainwashed through the television, through Hollywood, through the education system, which all three are linked back to we know who, right? So that's what it is.

@evavonbrauThat's why these people defend it because we've been taught that this is the number one victim. You can't speak against the number one victim or you're the number one villain. You're as evil as the Nazis. And it's like they never prove anything. You know, all this stuff... Godfroy, Godfroy, Godfroy, Godfroy

@evavonbrauNot that Andrew Wilson's a bad guy. Like, when he's against thoughts and idiot girls, he does a great job. He does phenomenal.

@joann_marieBut when it comes to... Because they cannot defend... How do you defend OnlyFans? Like, it's impossible to defend that. Exactly.

@evavonbrauBut it's like, he's one of these Christians that's a Zion Christian. It's an ex-Christian. These are the ones that should have the X in front of it because they don't believe in Jesus at all. They don't seem to understand who killed Jesus. They don't understand the whole... I'm sorry for interrupting earlier. I'm usually not like that.

@evavonbrauI was trying to wait. I had my hand up.

@evavonbrauI was trying to be patient, but that dude was just insufferable. Holy fuck, was he ruining my Friday night. I couldn't handle it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you kicked him, to be honest. I wish he was here to hear, you know.

@nietzsche258918Well, by the way, I don't take umbrage for a little interruption. It's just that we did not need more yelling.

@evavonbrauI do always... No, but there was no way to get through to somebody like that. There really isn't. I'm from an Italian family. Trust me, I understand. There's no way to get through to Ohio State.

@nietzsche258918But I will tell you this, though, that... that when people try to substitute volume for thought as he was doing, well, why are they so desperate? Why? I mean, the truth actually doesn't need your defense, believe it or not. The truth stays the truth and it has immutability. So when people- It resonates. Yeah.

@evavonbrauIt resonates. And this is the thing that Coyote was experiencing. These people who are brainwashed, the truth resonates with them and that resonation is like a fucking earthquake inside their body. It's so disrupting to everything that they've been programmed to believe. My thing is like this, it's like I don't understand how they think it's literally possible.

@yoteofstreetLike, for people to just wake up and start saying, you know what, I want to look at Israel today and criticize it. Or like, why are all these Jewish people in these positions and shit here? Like, people don't do that. It's not just an X thing or whatever. It's growing. We're at 60% on Gallup polls. This is data, Pew Research or whatever.

@yoteofstreetAnd that's the thing. There's a fucking issue. Regardless of everybody, even if this whole space went away, you're still going to have to address this issue. And its name is Israel. 100% bro.

@evavonbrauI mean, this has been a slow boil. They took control of us after World War II. They 100% had us and they knew it. That's why I said, like, if you look into the records, like, when it all started getting pushed was under Eisenhower, right after World War II. Things started really shifting for the worst. And then you watch our dollar tank, but then again, you know, the...

@evavonbrauWe'll see you next time.

@yoteofstreetWhat do y'all think about the tribalism aspect of it?

@evavonbrauWell, I think Israel is the gap, and they're scared of that, because both a good part of the right and a good part of the left realize that it's the Jews. And look, we could just say it's Israel if that makes this better. I know it's a space, and I'm sorry, but...

Ian MalcolmIt's Jewish supremacy.

@evavonbrauWe both know what Israel means, because Israel's an ethnostate of what? It's an ethnostate of Jews. So when you say Israel, you're saying it's the Jews. And people, oh, not all Jews. Okay, not all Jews, but kind of, because they are the most... What's that called? They 100% hire their own, they take care of their own, they always look out for their own, and they will lie and deceive everyone else that's not one of them.

@nietzsche258918Okay, let me just make this point here. Obviously, it's not all of them, because we have people on our side that are Jewish. So that's why we call out Jewish supremacy, because it's not just Israel. Clearly, if you've got Larry Ellison, who's an American, and we can name off all others that have significant positions of power in not just America, but across the West,

@nietzsche258918And in the media and in our financial systems, you can't just say Israel, but you also have to give grace to any of our Jewish brothers and sisters who are on our side or want to come to our side. So that's why we say Jewish supremacists.

@evavonbrauOkay, I understand. I also understand the exception doesn't make the rule. The rule makes the rule. So I'm always leery. Even ones that are on our side. There are, like, you know, but I'm just saying it's...

@evavonbrauI don't know. I don't know. Yeah, good evening. If I chime in, I wish I got up here. Ann, thanks for the space. David, JoAnn, good work. Go down to that purple pill down there. You people know what to do. Share the space. Yeah, I wanted to get up with that football guy because he's asking, I need evidence. I need evidence of Israel being involved.

@evavonbrauAnd there's a whole lot of circumstantial evidence around here. And not to acknowledge it, It's just lunacy. I mean, we had Ben Shapiro on the air. Charlie Kirk's body wasn't cold yet. And that SOB's layman claimed to have taken charge of TPUSA. We have Netanyahu addressing saying, gee, America, I'm sorry for your loss.

@evavonbrauOh, by the way, we didn't do this. I mean, did Putin come out and say, yeah, we didn't do it either? Did Mexico come out and say, oh, no, we didn't do it either? No, there was one guy come out there, yeah, oh, yeah, gee, shucks, we had nothing to do with it. You know, that was very suspicious. My daughter was over in Israel about maybe a month, less than a month prior to October 7th.

@evavonbrauSo I paid very close attention to what went on around there. I said, that could have been my daughter at one of those events. Music festivals. She's young, she's touring the world, go see different places. A 25-year-old could have went to a music festival. So I said, shit, my daughter just, you know. So I paid attention to the lie that they put out for a week about 40 beheaded babies.

@evavonbrauIt took them six hours. to respond to that gossip. And Charlie, I think in the quote, he's saying, I've been to that place. He said that you can't even get a squirrel sneaking through there. Nonetheless, a hang glider is powered by lawnmower engines. It's so silly. And to get to the fact that we're getting here, you know, I'm 60 years old, Generation X.

@evavonbrauAll my life, I've been told Russia's going to bomb us. Okay, so China man's going to take us over. North Korea is going to bomb us. Mexican, he's taking my jobs. The black man, he's going to rob me in the subway. Joe Biden told me it was a white Christian nationalist, which I am. I'm white. I'm Christian, and I love my nation, so that makes me a white Christian nationalist.

@evavonbrauOkay, but I'm the threat to the nation. But as soon as you put a little hairy eyeball on the Jewish population, wow, do you get smacked back. It's like, this guy up here, and then we have to talk, you guys are telling me, hey, calm down, you don't have to yell. I'm not yelling, it was ridiculous. And you know, I'm chasing him and that other guy, I forget his name now, but around these spaces, I'm trying to corner him, corner them.

@evavonbrauBecause I heard this football guy before. And it's kind of the same thing. It's like, hey guys, we can't even look at this. Lift the hood. Let's see if there's something to this. Why didn't... There was something there. There was smoke there. Joe Kent said, yeah, I wanted to look into it. Joe Kent never said Israel. He said, I want to look at foreign nations.

@evavonbrauAnd everybody said, oh, you don't want to go after Israel? You're an islamite. To my knowledge, he never said Israel. He said, there's foreign nations I want to look at. So anyway, Ian, David... Let that guy hang out next time. Let me at him for a little bit. And by the way, we're not sure who murdered Charlie Kirk. But I know Candace Owens murdered Andrew Wilson today.

@evavonbrauI saw that. Jesus, God.

Ian MalcolmWell, let's go to, I'm excited that we got real The Force up here. Any thoughts on the debate or anything else at the top of mind?

Speaker 26Oh, dude, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm just so relieved. Dude, I saw everything, the debate and stuff, and I knew Candace would absolutely murder, and she did. Literally, I mean, and Babylon Beebe with the great... I mean, whoever came up with that brilliant comedy, they already paved over the crime scene of Andrew Wilson.

Speaker 26I mean, that was absolutely hilarious. Ian, you're doing a great job. And listen, I've had to, and everyone should know that, listen, I'm not the force, I'm a human too. So when I say stuff, I'm not authoritative on anything. And I've had to admit to Ian, listen, and I come from like a... Christian Zionist, kind of an upbringing.

Speaker 26So even though there's a verse in the Bible that says literally, the Jews, and I looked it up, like, to be sure, like, no, it can't be talking about, didn't it just say the Jews? It did. But I know, you know, Jesus is not talking about, as David just said, which, thank you so much, David. We have some amazing Jews. Look at Max Blumenthal, one of the best journalists of all time.

Speaker 26His anti-Zionist, he's one of the greatest anti-Zionist Jewish-American journalists of all time. Peter Schiff's one of my, he's my economist of all time. When he was on Tucker Carlson, he's the only guy I've heard in the nation say, no, the Federal Reserve, as that lady, that Italian lady who I love, because I'm full-blooded Italian too.

Speaker 26The Federal Reserve, yeah, the Rothschilds installed it. You can go into his book, he talks about it. They're the ones that run Epstein Island, all the banks, Bank for International Settlements, they run the whole thing. I'll post the video. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 26I've seen tons of deaths up close. I'm a SEAL Team 6 sniper, Navy. U.S. Navy, SEAL 6. Come on, this guy knows he's seen a lot of stuff up close, killed guys up close. He's seen the stuff in action. It's like, come on, something was really weird the way he moved up and down. He should have blown back. First of all, his neck should have blown off.

Speaker 26He doesn't have a neck of steel like Superman, like Erica Kirk and Colbert try to tell us. That's not how physics works. So... We all know that. And listen, she crushed, she showed the video of Rob O'Neill and I've been getting some really good views on these videos. I put together a good one. I used the music from, it was a good Deftones song.

Speaker 26Kind of, it's cool because I think they were on like the first Matrix soundtrack. I remember like, oh yeah, one of their songs on there. I was like, yeah, they're pretty good. It was like one of their songs, but... I love putting music to stuff. I'm a nutcase. I love putting music to stuff. And then the one I did with Rothschild where he's talking about how they made Israel.

Speaker 26He's like, oh yeah, the movement's out of Eastern Europe and we're the leaders of it. We made Israel. It's like, yeah, we know, dude. And I'm going to post that from Dan Bilzerian too because they tried to get Bilzerian. They're like, oh, are you an anti-Semite? He's like, no, TMZ. He's like, no, these guys aren't even, they're not Semitic.

Speaker 26The Palestinians are the real Semites. They have the Semitic blood. And first of all, Jesus spoke Arabic. Somebody had to correct Netanyahu on that.

@yoteofstreetDo you mean Aramaic?

Speaker 26Aramaic, Aramaic, yeah. I'm such a, I'm a retard, like in so many ways, and that's one of them.

@joann_marieNo, you're really smart at first, but you're kind of like, word vomit, and you're just like, la la la la la! You know, so. I'm sorry, yes, yes. But you're really, really smart.

Speaker 26I'm excited.

Ian MalcolmYou've come a long way, so I just want to commend you on that.

Speaker 26Thank you so much. No, and Joanne's complimented me on that too, because, listen, The reason I'm able to put together these psychotic, like, you know, listen, I am Charlie from Always Sunny. I am literally that dude. And I look like him, kind of. But I'm, like, I'm a lot different looking than him, but, like, we're both, like, kind of, I'm, like, Italian, you know, like, dark hair, but I got the charboards out, I got the, you know, but it's, and then the videos, too, and then what I'm able to do with videos is do the infographics and then multi, kind of, throw them out there and then just kind of flash them like a psychotic, you know, ADHD

Speaker 26Raed Jamal رائد جمال, Scott Riener,

Speaker 26It was him just talking about, yeah, there was no way, it didn't look like a gunshot, it looked like an explosion in the chest. And then John, who's the guy, John Bray? I hope I got his name right. That guy's a legend, and Candace talked about him on Today, and then Debate, where she crushed Andrew Wilson. I mean, blew him away.

Speaker 26We knew she would, but she is like a Jedi. Like Kanye said, Kanye was like, oh yeah, she's like a Jedi, like the way she says her information. I'm like, yeah, she is. You must have forgot. You must have forgot.

Ian MalcolmIt was like two hours ago when we had this exact same conversation, do you remember?

Speaker 26It's that movie Monomic? Everything's going bad?

@joann_marieScrew this, y'all. He has really cute dad jokes.

Speaker 26That is a bad joke. Dad jokes.

Speaker 26I'm a nut, so it's hard to, when you're joking to someone who's like an ADHD nutcase, it's hard to, you know, sometimes, I'm processing things that like, way too fat. By the way, you're very painful too.

@nietzsche258918You're processing like cocaine. I see Amiro has his hand up. By the way, Amiro with the specializers in the, what is it, the frontal lobe cortex or whatever. I don't know why, you'd think an epistemologist would know that stuff. But I have a question for you about what he just said. Don't you think it's also about who they don't interview?

@nietzsche258918Like the idea that the sniper that reputedly took out Osama Bin Laden, who is, his bona fides, no one can challenge them. Everybody's like, okay, well, you've killed lots of people, so you know all about this. He's not getting the interviews. Like this beta male who's sitting there with his foot shaking like a woman in a cocktail party that she doesn't belong.

@nietzsche258918There's no way these people will debate people like that. Do you find that strange, or is it just normal, par for the course?

Speaker 9I'm sorry, David. I kind of got an abstract sugar rush by listening to our ADHD friends, so I'm kind of trying to gather my thoughts. If you could just repeat the question, I'm happy to answer.

@nietzsche258918Well, the fact that it just occurred to me that, because I have seen this guy. By the way, I was pleasantly surprised, Ian and Joanne. and Joe, that this guy was coming. I didn't know. I thought he would just be your normal Zio. I mean, he was a sniper for the government. And the fact that he's coming out going, oh, no way, no way, 30-06.

@nietzsche258918Nah, I didn't do that. That's not how that works. I mean, like, it's just like, no one sitting with him really has anything to say. So that's, I don't know if you've seen the guy. He's the sniper that took out Osama bin Laden reputedly. And I don't see him getting the airtime, even though he's bringing all the receipts.

@nietzsche258918and pretty much no one can refute him.

@nietzsche258918Basically.

@evavonbrauYeah, but they're having it be guilty until proven innocent. Right? The media is telling everybody that this dude's guilty. They want public opinion to be that he's guilty before he's been proven guilty. Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Didn't they already say that he was guilty? Didn't the trial end?

Speaker 9Yeah, I mean, even on the late show with Stephen Colbert, they were saying that he's guilty before any evidence. So, they're just trying to put it into the mainstream.

@evavonbrauYou just got to have an inkling of thinking. That's it. You just got to have an inkling of thinking. A what-if moment.

Speaker 9I got to thank you, David, for kicking that guy because my eardrums were bleeding from this guy gaslighting us into thinking he wasn't yelling into our ears.

@evavonbrauOh, yes, but a lot of us wanted to really give it to him because he said some asinine shit.

@nietzsche258918If not to prove the point, the lack of self-awareness is the first thing that goes when you lose empathy. And when someone says... because everything's a word game for these people. It's subjective. Like that's gonna work on all the, oh, you're right. We take it all back. None of us think that you're destroying our ears.

@nietzsche258918Do you see a common thread here? It's always like, don't believe your lying eyes. Don't believe your lying ears. And I thought, well, it is subjective.

Speaker 9And I believe the blood dripping from my ear hole. Is that enough?

@nietzsche258918Well, my thought was, I didn't say this to you, JoAnn. My thought was it is subjective. You're subjecting me to misery and I'm gonna stop that right now.

@evavonbrauYep. That's why I had to interrupt. I couldn't handle it.

Speaker 9But I wanted to say something in response to, you know, this weekend I'm going to go to an evangelical church and I'm going to do this every weekend if I can to try to talk some sense in these people, but also to see kind of what the hell they're saying to them. And I would urge everyone that has the time or willingness in America to do this.

Speaker 9You know, even if it's just 20 people in the country, you can start some kind of domino effect. But to respond also to your thing about the leftists. Look, I'm a leftist. I know a lot of leftists. They're not all these crazy tranny types that you imagine them to be. And think about how Trump is Jewish-owned, right? Or let's say Jewish supremacist-owned or Israeli-owned.

Speaker 9He's always pushing the left and right divide. So that should kind of give you a clue that maybe we shouldn't believe that narrative. And I think a lot of people have snapped out of basically the MAGA brainwashing while still retaining this The Left is irredeemable. Look, we disagree on abortion, we disagree on sexuality, we disagree on things.

Speaker 9These things can be figured out via discourse. We don't have to tear each other apart. But that's why I always say, we got to go purple, then we'll go back to red and blue. And I promise you, the abortion thing is a philosophical issue. What is a human life? The leftists are okay with abortion. Maybe there's some Jewish Americans that say, hey, if you stop me from aborting kids, you're interfering with my Jewish faith.

Speaker 9That's sus as fuck. I'm not trying to argue for or against. All I'm trying to say is it's something that needs to be figured out via discourse, and I'm sure we can. But they're not helping us with that. They're poisoning our discourse. They're pushing the right and left divide.

@yoteofstreetWhat's the square root of pi? Not yes, talk. You write your hand up.

@rectheregimeI didn't know what you wanted me to talk about. I could refer to what was just said. I agree this left-right thing is ridiculous, and we should just transcend it, really, because we're going to have to transcend it for our own welfare, I'm afraid. If we don't have solidarity above these kinds of differences, We're just going to be wiped out because it's a divide and conquer scheme and we'll be getting ducks.

@rectheregimeWe need to unify across the so-called divide, which I think is irrelevant in many ways. I'm not a leftist or right wing. I don't think. Anyway, people call me right wing, but I don't think I am. But anyway, yeah, I just think that's a great point.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, in fact, I always ask if someone calls themselves... Is that better? Yeah, give me one second, Cary. I always ask, Michael, if someone calls themselves a liberal, I'm like, what are you liberal about? You're talking about a group of people that aren't really even loyal to this country, telling everybody what to do and with whom to associate, what they're allowed to say and even think, how to raise their kids.

@nietzsche258918And then when a conservative says, I'm a conservative, I'm like, what are you trying to conserve? Like, shouldn't you call yourself a retributive? Isn't what you want to go back and get your freedoms? I mean, they've already been taken. And I'll give a great example that I think is a great example to Amira's point. When Trump cut the Science Foundation grants to science research, important science research, like cancer and that sort of thing.

@nietzsche258918So that's about $20 billion, right? Okay, so far this war has cost America $150 billion. Doesn't it look silly now? I mean, it's just ridiculous. Amiro's right. This is the strain out a gnat and swallow a camel situation here. Michael, you're so right. Human solidarity has to be on the rise. Left and right have to join together as normal people who have now seen the White Walkers coming, to use a Game of Thrones reference.

@nietzsche258918Absolutely, Amiro, you're spot on, and you too, Michael. And go ahead, Coyote.

@rectheregimeYeah, thanks. Can I just say one thing? I just think... Is that better now? Can you hear me? It's clear that... I'm sorry. Excuse me.

@nietzsche258918Go ahead. Let Michael finish and, Coyote, you can go next.

@rectheregimeYeah, I just wanted to say one thing. I think you're right. We need to appeal to normalcy. I mean, we really are appealing to normal people because what we're dealing with is abnormality and that we have a consensus about that abnormality. And likewise, I think, indeed, that's how we have to unite. Not as left and right, but as normal human beings that I think can vouch for a very universal belief system that all people deserve to live.

@rectheregimeI think that we can assume that, that we think all people deserve to live, right? We don't think they should be killed by the state, by the state of Israel, by the US, by proxy, whatever. So, you know, that's the first premise. And I think that's very easy to defend against any comers. And it transcends left and right.

@rectheregimeWe all have property in ourselves. That's the first thing we have. And to rob somebody of that property is an infringement of their property rights. The first property being property in oneself. I think that's an invaluable thing.

@nietzsche258918Awesome, Coyote, what do you say, buddy?

@yoteofstreetIs that better, guys? Yeah, can you hear us? Is it better, though?

@nietzsche258918Coyote? Ground control to me. I'll go fix it. Coyote, can you hear me?

@nietzsche258918Ground control to Coyote. You're getting very far. Well, Mandy, you know what? You have to talk now, Mandy. We've heard enough from the men.

@joann_marieOkay, good. The Sailor said, Mandy, you're a fine girl.

@nietzsche258918Wait, is that how that goes?

@joann_marieNo, it's Brandy, but I changed it to Mandy because I love that song.

@nietzsche258918Does that make her the person waiting in the harbor town? For the guy that... Yes.

Speaker 25Oh my gosh, have you guys ever seen the music video of that? I have. Okay, that guy is wild looking.

@nietzsche258918But you know...

Speaker 25You know what's cool about that?

@nietzsche258918She's talking about the video of this looking glass making the song, right? So, Mandy, but that shows you something, speaking of voice a lot, is the fact that it was just about what you produced. It was just about the quality of what you produced. It wasn't about how you looked.

Speaker 25And by the way, close your shirt, dude. That music was better when ugly people were allowed to sing it, and that's true.

@joann_marieExcellent point! She always throws some bangers, right? She has one-liners that are just amazing. It's so true, Mandy.

Speaker 25You know what I think I got that from? Just until Coyote is available? I think I got that from Nietzsche. I started reading Nietzsche when I was a freshman in high school, and I read it straight, almost only that, for 15 years. And he talks... I say in one sentence what people struggle and fail to say in a whole book, and I really appreciate that.

Speaker 25Because even sometimes when I'm asking questions and I say be concise, people think I'm doing that just to try and hide something, but literally I just don't want to listen to all that crap.

@nietzsche258918Didn't Freud say that about him?

Speaker 25I don't know. Freud stole so much from Nietzsche.

@nietzsche258918Well, I would say the influence. But listen, we can talk about that another time. But if you've read most of what Nietzsche has to say, then you should read The World as Will and Representation by Schopenhauer because that's his inspiration by far of anybody not even close.

Speaker 25Yeah, I never, for some reason, I never got into Schopenhauer. I went actually to Sartre. Sartre? Yeah. He's a fake law firm, but yeah. And then I could never get through Simone de Beauvoir, who was just, like, verbal vomit. Like, it was just horrible.

@nietzsche258918Chibberish, Foucault, all those people. Yeah. Yeah, it's just nonsense.

Speaker 25Yeah, and Camus was okay.

@nietzsche258918No, Camus is great. He's great. But, yeah, and he was an 18 as well, but at least he was honest. He broke from Sartre because the aforementioned nonsense, but awesome conversation, my friend.

Speaker 25So, anyway, Coyote still isn't here, so I just... What's the core of...

Speaker 26I was going to ask, what's the core of Nietzsche? I'm an idiot with the flaws and stuff, but what's the core?

@nietzsche258918No, we're not going to do that. The core of Nietzsche. Okay, hold on. I'm getting my cigar out. I'm waxing philosophical while the smoke lustily emerges from my mouth. This is not going to happen. No, I don't think we should do this.

Speaker 25So anyway, Candace won the debate handily. And what's his name? Paid $300,000 to be humiliated by a woman. What?

Speaker 25Did he even pay it though? That's the real question. Was he put up to it and did somebody else pay the money?

@joann_marieI don't think he has paid yet. I think maybe just a little bit and eventually he will pay. I don't know. Anybody knows this?

@nietzsche258918No, I don't. You know, it's only what I hear. I mean, he could have the money, right? Because just think, if you take $7,000 and subtract... Oh, wait, it doesn't. Okay.

Speaker 25I think he's made like $72,000 or something from donations, which is sad and pathetic, which means nobody wanted to see this. Even his own people, nobody wanted to see it. Oh, but there was a point in there we haven't discussed yet where he said all women are retarded. He thinks all women are retarded. Right. And I tweeted recently, if you think all women are retarded and then let a woman raise your children.

Speaker 25This is the intellectual power.

@nietzsche258918Oh no, my point was something different. As if to prove your point, or disprove it I should say, you paid a woman all of this money, $300,000, what was it, how much was it, to talk to her, and then she closed the door of her own house, high-fived her husband, then you had to go back to your woman that you just called stupid, and explain to her that you just gave a woman $300,000 to have coffee with you.

@nietzsche258918I think that's retarded.

Speaker 25Yeah, that does, that definitely qualifies for retarded. But I don't know.

Speaker 26Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, I got to give it to Candace for getting them on the murder versus the aggravated murder. I thought she got them really off the gate with that. I didn't even know that either. I don't even know how many people knew that but her. I mean, she's really, to know the difference between, I didn't know there was one.

Speaker 26So good for her on that.

Speaker 25Yeah, she always comes with receipts. But I do wonder how many people... I don't know if anybody changed their mind. I think people probably just dug in their heels and then possibly people that were on Andrew's side have just disconnected from it because they don't want to be wrong, but they can't acknowledge she's right.

@nietzsche258918Well, if I could just inject there, I think that the burden was on him to change the mind. And I think the change that was expected was to... make other people believe that she wasn't a legitimate person to talk about anything basically to illegitimize her and i just think that that he failed miserably there and that means if you didn't do that then why'd you pay all that money yeah it's pretty retarded i wonder what she's gonna do with the money though is she gonna she could she could do something kind of cool with it and donate it to something he absolutely hates which would be great

@nietzsche258918Well, someone suggested earlier, I think it was Scott, I'm not sure, that if she donated, it'd be a boss-ass move to donate it to the children in Gaza. And I really love that idea because I think that's what they don't want us to talk about. The two things that they don't want us to talk about is that and then Jewish supremacy.

@nietzsche258918And whenever someone... Damir is when I call out Jewish supremacy, I just say, I understand why you wouldn't want me to talk about Jewish supremacy, even though I think Jewish supremacy is a problem, but obviously you don't want to talk about Jewish supremacy, so perhaps we could talk about Jewish supremacy another time.

@nietzsche258918I just make sure I say it at least five times right after they do that, and then I think they get the point.

Ian MalcolmAnd then you just let them know that perhaps they're Jewish supremacists because they won't discuss Jewish supremacy. Exactly.

Speaker 25I have a dangerous question to ask. Can I ask you, David?

@nietzsche258918All right, hold on, let me put on... There's no such thing. No, I'm going to be like... I'm going to put on the little helmet. I've got my... Well, who was it, Mike Myers, when he pretended he was a kid that had, like, a mental problem, ate too much sugar, and he wore a little helmet?

Speaker 14Oh, it's Saturday Night Live.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, that's me. I've got the little rope and the helmet on, and I'm tied to my jungle gym. Right, so go ahead. Hit me with your best. I'm all ready.

Speaker 25Okay, well, I've heard it discussed in this space that, you know, there are some good Jewish people, and you named some. I think Max Blumenthal is one of them. Is there any Jewish person that doesn't believe

Speaker 25that they are God's chosen people. Isn't that inherent to their religion or is there another sect of the religion besides Messianic that doesn't believe that?

@nietzsche258918Well, and that's Talmudic, right? So they'd have to not only believe in kind of the basic Torah stuff, but they'd have to believe in the Talmud.

Speaker 2599% do. If you ask Grok, 99%.

@nietzsche258918If I don't ask Grok, is it that same number?

Speaker 25It just depends on where you get your statistics from.

@joann_marieOh, I see. Isn't it crazy how they always like, like, no, no, no, we don't read the dad jokes.

@nietzsche258918JoAnn said keep going with the dad jokes, so, you know.

@joann_marieYes, I love them.

@nietzsche258918And I said my wife calls them the same thing, so it's okay. But no, so in answer to your question, well, I think Judaism, this is just personal opinion, is really just superstitious atheism. It doesn't really count for much. But it really comes down to whether you really believe that you are somehow superior to other people.

@nietzsche258918If I were to ask them that and have that conversation and they would bristle from it or, I mean, I forget, Ian and JoAnn, we were just talking about that recently with the Piers Morgan video where he kept saying, you know, is everybody equal? Is a Palestinian life worth the same amount as a Jewish? She couldn't say yes, right?

@nietzsche258918And you're basically not a member of humanity in the wonderful, kind way. However, to your question, Mandy, I think as Western civilization people, and to keep our movement beautiful and pure, I think we always have to accept the fact that each person has a divine light and the ability to hear and see its calling. And I just, I think that's it.

@nietzsche258918I have to, and you know, Dave Smith says something that I really, really respect. He says, you know, if I say everything, I'll just paraphrase it. If I say everything that David Nietzsche's and Ian Malcolm say, well, then I'm just controlled opposition. But if I disagree with them, then I'm on this other side. And I thought that was a really fair point.

@nietzsche258918And I just think, and I understand there's a little naivete that seems to be involved in this, that I have to take people at their word until they prove otherwise. Suppose everybody, irrespective of whether they really believe it or not, calls out Jewish supremacy. Won't the ideas win? If they had to do that, if they had to bend the knee to the truth,

@nietzsche258918Doesn't the truth gain an advantage there? I say yes, and therefore I have to assume positive intent with my Jewish brothers and sisters who give the least of the appearance of being on my side. Does that help you with the answer to your question, or is that...?

Speaker 25Yes, I was having a conversation about this the other day, and I was saying then... I mean, it's just a supremacist ideology if you believe in any way, shape, or form that somebody is God's chosen and therefore better than anybody else just based on their ethnicity, which it is an ethnicity and religion. So that's just tough for me.

Speaker 25If somebody believes that, that's tough for me. It doesn't mean that I hate them or anything or they're beyond saving or anything, but just a supremacist mindset is going to be... That's a no-go for me.

Ian MalcolmI found it interesting because we know how the term Jewish, it kind of shapeshifts just as the last names do. It means different things at different times when convenient for different purposes. And it's kind of comical because let's just say there is a supremacist on this app who would make the suggestion that Karl Marx is not Jewish.

Ian MalcolmBut then he would turn around the same person, and Karl Marx obviously was, right? Came from a long line of not only Jews, but literally of Talmudic rabbis and pretty prominent ones at that. And they would say that's not a Jew because he converted from it, right? He didn't remain a religious Jew, even though he was ethnically Jewish.

Ian MalcolmNow, the funny part is, that same person who would say that Marx wasn't a Jew would say that Albert Einstein was. Albert Einstein explicitly rejected many, many things. He identified strongly, despite being not only an atheist, but essentially antagonistic towards religion. He identified strongly as a Jew by nationality, origin, culture, and shared history and genetics, right?

Ian MalcolmSo again, kind of, let's say, resonating this idea that this goes way above just religion, because again, he was kind of almost antagonistic towards it. But it goes on to describe how he, again, this is Einstein, describing his bond with the Jewish people as the strongest human tie in life. He said this. Now, the same guy, though, to the comment that Mandy was just making, I did look it up, and sure enough, Grok does give a similar number in terms of the percentage of Jews by either ethnicity or religion that would suggest that they are chosen.

Ian Malcolmrejected the notion that the Jews were in any capacity chosen. He said he did make claims like, but I am a Jew and I am glad to belong to the Jewish people, though I do not regard them in any way as chosen. In 1927, stating, we Jews are absolutely not, nor ever, a chosen people, but one that have been shifted, sifted, and hardened by millennia of power.

Ian MalcolmSo he went through and it's kind of all over the map. Positive comments, negative comments about the Jewish people. But again, he's one that if you asked any Jew of the religious or the cultural or the ethnic or the genetic bend, they would say, well, of course he is because obviously they revere Einstein. And we could go into maybe the discussion on whether or not he was the things that he is presented as.

Ian MalcolmBut it's really interesting because, again, some of these negative comments, for me, the Jewish religion is like all others. It's an incarnation of the most childish of superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have deep affinity for have no different quality for me than all other people.

Ian MalcolmAs far as my experiences go, they are no better than any other human group, right? He even finishes it to say, otherwise I cannot see anything remotely chosen about them. So it's all very puzzling. Because again, this is a guy who would be defined as Jewish, who said he was Jewish, but he was completely against the idea essentially of the Jewish faith and religion, who was saying that they are not in any way chosen, and yet at the same time also saying it is one of the things that he is most proud of being.

Ian MalcolmThe psychology is just... It's kind of all over the map, Mandy, to your point. But I just figured I would bring him up as an individual that I knew was kind of against that idea of the Jews being chosen people, but did certainly express his belief that they had been hardened by this history, that he was extremely proud of being part of this group, and that perhaps they were different from other people, although not necessarily, in his terms anyway, chosen.

Ian MalcolmBut David, it's just so remarkable, not only...

Ian MalcolmThat space that we were in with Suleiman, I think Joe was there, and he said that some of his most ardent critics and quote-unquote haters were Jews, that were basically saying, how dare you align against us, right? And so it's so bizarre because what they're basically admitting when they say that is that it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, that they are supposed to fall in line and defend their people, good, bad, or otherwise.

Ian MalcolmAnd then you look at the scenarios of Epstein and you're like... Well, maybe you guys are actually applying that, right? Maybe the people were saying, pay no attention to Epstein. It's just a hoax. Maybe it's because they actually can't just come out and say, obviously it was wrong. Because again, they've just got this affinity for their people.

Ian MalcolmBut it is just all over the map. And again, these definitions, it seems like they come and they go. And then we go back to the Austrian painter who talked about this idea of essentially, you know, an argument that like slime, it just slips through your fingers because...

@nietzsche258918I will say that if we weren't talking about political power in its most brutal form, I don't think the hypocrisy would be so obvious. But the fact that Karl Marx was buddies with Moses Hess, referred to him as his favorite rabbi, well, that just tells you everything, right? Here we have a virulent Zionist, the founder of Zionism.

@nietzsche258918Always swapping like letters back and forth, a contemporary and friend of Karl Marx. And yet Karl Marx was a radical atheist. So where is the connection here? Well, the connection, of course, is both of them understand and think about how to gain control over the seats of power and the dominion over the flesh of everyone else.

@nietzsche258918And from that lens, it looks very disingenuous when they try to renounce this. And I really do, you know, For the likes of Glenn Greenwald, I do give a lot of respect for people who just say that it's a genocide in Gaza because it kind of undermines the entire thing. But until they're willing to do that, I'm very, very suspicious.

@nietzsche258918Even if they say, well, I'm not very religious. I'm like, I don't think that matters as much as people think that it does.

Ian MalcolmDavid, it's also, it's the perfect, I don't want to say gotcha question, but it's the perfect kind of test of reasonableness because I think anybody that can come into this conversation, Jew, Gentile, black, white, alien, or a human being, if they can't acknowledge that the death of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of women and children is a genocide, then I don't really care about anything else that they say because it's just, you're either lying to me or to yourself, but you're certainly lying to everybody in the room, you know?

@nietzsche258918Yeah, and I think that if I were going to form a political party, you know, formally, then I would make that one of the big, like, this is one of the big parts of the platform. And I love it when people come in and say, I'm an American. I don't care about those other people. Excuse me. But you're calling these people your representatives.

@nietzsche258918And your representatives are killing mass exterminating children. So Charles Manson was never convicted of murder. He was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. He wasn't even supposedly at those sites, but he funded them, supported them, motivated them. Well, what does that make you, right? If you're okay with this and you can't conscious pilot your way out of this, you have to pound your fist on the table and say, this is wrong.

@nietzsche258918My money shouldn't be going to this. This is evil. I oppose this evil. Otherwise, do you really want to be standing at the pearly gates and have a bunch of little children with their beautiful faces staring at you, deciding your fate of whether you get in or not? No. For good men to do nothing, that's what, as Burke says, that's how evil prospers and survives.

@nietzsche258918You have to do something. You have to speak out. And how are we doing it now? Against Jewish supremacy, of course.

@joann_marieBeautifully stated. Oh, sorry.

Ian MalcolmYeah, no, no, so well stated. And so let's go around, and I know we got a couple additional hands and a few additional people who wanted to come up. So why don't we start with Dr. Rechtenwald, then we'll go to Amiru, and we'll go to Hubbard, and then we'll check in with NonPurify and go to American Patriot last.

@rectheregimeYeah, hi there, gang. I just wanted to say something about Marks, you know, because Marks came up. You know, Marx wrote an essay called On the Jewish Question. I don't know the exact year. It's 18... maybe a little bit later. In any case, this essay, he argued that Judaism, that capitalism...

@nietzsche258918The essay was in response to Bruno Bauer, by the way.

@rectheregimeBruno Bauer, right.

@nietzsche258918Yeah.

@rectheregimethat capitalism was practical Judaism. And so likewise, he was denigrating Judaism very severely, thereby calling capitalism, which he hated, practical Judaism. And so it's just interesting that Marx was at least multifaceted with reference to this question, the Jewish question. He also said, The only way of liberation was to de-Judaize the entire society.

@rectheregimeThat's what he said in that essay. So what does he sound like there? I mean, that's hilarious.

Speaker 9So anti-Semitic. But thanks for the recommendation. I mean, it's not a recommendation, but it is now because it's on my list. And honestly, Dr. Michael, do you have a Goodreads reading list that's public?

@rectheregimeNo, I don't, but I could do that.

Speaker 9I would love access to that in a non-creepy way.

@rectheregimeI did make a post about a week ago or maybe a little bit less on when Obama put out his book list. I put out my book list and explained why the books that I read were important to me. His lightweight book list is hideous. Anyway.

Speaker 9I wouldn't be surprised, but I did want to share this idea in the spirit of sharing dangerous questions and dangerous ideas, as Mandy was doing.

@rectheregimeI call it ethical racial discrimination. It's essentially...

Speaker 9Since discrimination itself is just discriminating, it's recognizing something, a pattern, and making a distinction for the sake of identifying something, essentially. But racial discrimination just has a negative connotation because often it is a bad thing. But it's not always a bad thing, and that's something that I've learned thanks to the Jews.

Speaker 9I've said this before when I argued with Rabbi about race, that I'm very serious about solving the race problem in America. Because it's also the race problem of the planet, of humanity. If that is solved, it's solved for everybody. And I want to actually solve it where I feel like most leftists, their position is, don't think about it, therefore it is solved.

Speaker 9And that's not true. And that makes it a very interesting problem for me. And the Jews have really, I know you don't like saying Jews, it's better to say Jewish supremacy, but I'm going to say Jews because it's about 90%. For me, the Jews really made me, especially with Judaism, if I just take Judaism and say the people who practice Judaism are Jews,

Speaker 9It's the worst religion on the planet. I list like, you know, my religion list is like on the top. I'm not even religious, I'm agnostic, but at the top I got Christianity, under that, sorry, Hinduism, Christianity, because I like meditation, because it's related to the PFC, but Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and then Judaism again, because that's how bad it is, right?

@nietzsche258918Wait, is it Buddhism now?

Speaker 9Hinduism, Buddhism, it's the same thing for me. I have to update the list to be honest, because there's a lot more religions than that. But yeah, I list Judaism twice at the bottom because it's that bad. And it really made me question everything that I know. Like, I need to put these people in a certain category so I can actually understand the world that I'm in.

Speaker 9Because I'm very much supposedly anti-racist, and yet I am discriminating. And so this is where I thought of the idea of ethical racial discrimination, which is...

Speaker 9Like around $2,000 and then quit the next day, ripped her off. And my first question was, is he black? And she's like, I don't want to answer that. And I don't like saying that, but I'm just saying at a certain point, if members of a race act a certain way and it becomes a pattern, that's their responsibility. And I think with the Jews, that's very pronounced.

Speaker 9I don't think with black people it's as pervasive, but you know, there's a lot of ghettos and you guys get the whole thing. I don't have to explain it. But yeah, ethical racial discrimination, I think, maybe this is not the best name for it, but this is the category that we're in.

@nietzsche258918Well, I mean, pattern recognition is the function of your mind, right? And also judgment is the function of your mind. In a very odd moment of candor, Jesse Jackson once admitted that if he heard footsteps late at night behind him on the street, and he turned around and it was a white person, he would feel relieved, he would feel more comfortable, more safe.

@nietzsche258918This is just pattern recognition. So the fact that a black person would say it is just saying this is the way the brain works. So there's nothing unethical about it. I think that ethics would exist in the negative sense in regards to those things. And they pretend that we're not supposed to do it. And of course, that itself is evil.

@nietzsche258918You're telling me not to use the function of my own mind. However, with regard to all the religions, now we're talking about on the conceptual level, not regard to a specific person. With regard to religions, of all the ones you just mentioned, there's only one that doesn't require an act of consciousness or goodness. In order to be a member of that religion, and that is Judaism.

@nietzsche258918Judaism doesn't say, you know, take God into your heart, do this, that, and the other. It says you're the chosen people. But just imagine if you had eight kids and you just taught one of them, as a metaphor for all the religions, that they didn't have to do anything to be superior to everyone else. You just are. Well, that kid would probably be the most spoiled, abrasive, intolerable kid of them all.

@nietzsche258918After all, you're training him to be so. So yes, I think that we should be at least very wary about people who believe that they are the chosen people. This is sort of back to Mandy's question as well. So, you know, I would ask them a question, but I wouldn't want to be surrounded. If you think that you're the chosen person, if you think that you're superior by some sort of divine right, well, didn't we just throw off the divine right of kings in 1848?

@nietzsche258918Didn't we eschew this idea that

@nietzsche258918The Divine Spark Within You and How You Address It Determines Your Goodness. I'm sorry, that that's the legitimate idea and not just that you have just some sort of existential primogeniture or superiority to everybody else just by your very existence. I agree with you.

Speaker 9If I may, it's not a universal, it doesn't have a universal morality, and that's really the key. I mean, I don't put Islam at the top, but I still respect it because it humanizes people.

Speaker 9Make it easier to stomach all this, but it is a daily thing. And I got to commend Ian and JoAnn for every single day. I mean, I had to take a week off and I saved my mental health. But I got to keep coming into this. It's a chore. Maybe we are passionate about saving the people that we care about, but it's a chore. And you guys are doing it every day and a wonderful space.

Speaker 9And thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate you.

Ian MalcolmIt's so interesting because it's a passion project that quickly kind of shifts from... Thank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmEven the people that I know that are super interested and let's say passionate about politics, I can get them to concede that, yeah, there's some unusual things with Israel, but if I start talking about the media and the tech companies, they look at me like I've got four heads, right? And so just if you have that type of persuasion where you've recognized these truths the way that we have, going through the world, it's basically gaslighting.

Ian Malcolmand maybe this sounds hyperbolic but you turn on the television. The only things at this point that I watch are things that are at least probably 20 years old and that applies to movies and to music because you go to essentially anything new and obviously we got the Odyssey as the latest example of this but it's lined and frankly I think Christopher Nolan probably used as much as he needed to to win an Oscar and as little as he could to try and keep that kind of

Ian MalcolmLet's say the message out of his movie, right? But it's still in there. And you go to most other things. You go to a Marvel film and it is white men bad. Women can do everything better than men and all the other. And so I just say it because just walking through the world, it's like regenerative, what do they call it? Regenerative breaking.

Ian MalcolmIf I'm low on energy, okay, another cup of coffee. And then I get to talk to Rob from New Zealand to tell me why coffee might be a good or a bad thing, right? And so we get to bounce our ideas off one another. And I sincerely do think we're changing the world. And I know that that sounds crazy. But then you go and you look at the posts and the content from not just Candace Owens, but from Tucker Carlson.

Ian MalcolmYou look at the public discourse. You note the drop in popularity in Donald Trump. All of those things in one sense or another are not downstream from because we're not doing all of this, right? But we are a stream that is adding to a river that becomes an ocean. I actually can't remember if that's how... David, you don't have to help me if that's the progression there.

Ian MalcolmBut something along those lines, right? The little things that we're doing become something bigger, which ultimately become this ocean, which is going to beget this tidal wave that is unstoppable. And the Jewish supremacists, they've got their little sandcastles on the beach. And we're just like, guys, we're coming. So you might want to get your surfboards.

Ian MalcolmAnd the Jewish supremacists, they can either... David, I apologize for the ramble and the rant, but Mira made some really wonderful remarks there.

@joann_marieI know, it was a beautiful rant. Today I was really burnt out and I sent Ian and David a message like, nice, I'm not going to talk because my energy feels off and I feel like weird. But the energy of you guys was just so contagious and it pulled me through the day. So I'm just so grateful for, especially Ian, because he always has this...

@joann_marieThank you for pushing me through the day. It was rough. So, you know, just really happy to be here. And it is very contagious. And I love your comments. Isn't it wild, JoAnn, that the other piece is we keep winning.

Ian MalcolmLike, it doesn't matter if it's tiring because we keep looking around. We're like, wow, we got another W. And for what it's worth, I didn't see enough people talking about this. Let's not forget that the guy that just got trounced by Candace Owens is the same guy who a couple days ago in a space was talking about how Charlie Kirk never said that he was leaving the pro-Israel cause.

Ian MalcolmThat was his claim. And the guy in the space was like, now I think that's the exact quote. And then on the air, Andrew Wilson's like, hang on, I'm going to look at Grok. And it was so funny because he goes, he goes, I think it's cheating if you use Grok to make your argument, but not to look up information. I was like, all right, well, Andrew, you probably should have had Grok make your arguments today because they went rather poorly.

Ian MalcolmBut so he looks at the quote and then he verbatim, he reads the exact quote that the guy just said. Well, Charlie said that he was going to leave the pro-Israel cause. Andrew said no. Andrew goes to Grok. He reads off. Verbatim the same quote, and then he goes, yeah, that's not what he said. It's like, okay, so everybody sees that you were a shill.

Ian MalcolmYou're not interested in honestly discussing this. And for what it's worth, Wilson then, in addition to reading the original quote, he then read an extra remark that wasn't from Charlie Kirk, right? That tried to add some kind of unnecessary context to potentially try and redirect or to thwart the conversation. And the guy that he was...

Ian MalcolmHaving this little spat with goes, no, no, no, I'm focusing on that piece because it was the piece that actually Charlie Kirk said, right? And so it's just disingenuous, right? And so it really does amaze me that they sent this guy in, right? Who either didn't have the information or the honesty on a Twitter space where people can easily go and look things up to say, okay, well, he did say that.

Ian MalcolmBecause if truly- If Andrew Wilson's mission was to go in and to disconnect the connections between Charlie Kirk and the potential benefits to Israel, and he's the guy who's gonna go debate Candace Owens in less than 72 hours, and he's unaware of the fact that Charlie Kirk, 22 hours before he dies, says, I'm gonna have to leave the pro-Israel cause.

Ian MalcolmI mean... 30 Points USA, and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You guys got to do your homework. You got to start prepping these people. This is like a bad, it is a bad comedy movie at this point. The guy just got utterly walked. And so I wanted to bring up that quote because I don't know if everybody's familiar with it.

Ian MalcolmI'll put it up into the nest. It's unbelievable degrees of either disingenuousness or just flat out dishonesty from that guy.

@joann_marieIt's crazy. I know, Andrew. All right. How about... Hey, guys.

Speaker 27How are you? I'm pretty good. Great night. Great night. Definitely with this debate, I was watching it, and this is Andrew versus Owens, because he's the one coming to her, basically paying for this, paying $300,000 or however much. And... his his attempt to invalidate candace he failed like there's definitely people who still think who are on his side or her side but he failed to i think invalidate candace in the way that or whatever but uh i thought that was kind of interesting and i was just going to talk about what mandy was talking about about uh jewish supremacy and supremacy in general uh like

Speaker 27I think this is really the approach a lot of people got to go for because anybody that is supporting this genocide which is unfortunately a lot of Americans it's just it's built in and it's also built into the entire guilt complex and I think just reminding people what and like this is the interesting thing a lot of the people who brought me here listening were Jewish people who were anti-Zionist but

Speaker 27Semites, you could argue that based on genetics to a degree, but I think with Ashkenazi is less so, but I think as I would term it, there is anti-Jewish rhetoric, anti-Jewish hatred, but I don't think anti-Semitism is, I think that kind of language is very insidious.

Ian MalcolmWell, Rabbi and David would often say,

Ian MalcolmGuys, what if we just kind of rewrite religion and we create a place and then we name that place as if it's the place that is the downstream result from the family that God bestowed this upon and then we use that to justify that everybody should get behind us ruling the world because... We could pervert the text and kind of redefine their religion.

Ian MalcolmAnd then somebody came along and they were like, yeah, but I think the Christians are not going to go for that because guys, we kind of killed him. And they're like, no, we'll just go to Vatican II and just say that the Romans did it. Nobody will know the difference, right? Like you start to note how this insane plot, if you will.

Ian MalcolmIf you had enough hubris, you can kind of think to yourself that they probably orchestrated almost all of this. And I know it sounds really wild to come to that conclusion, but let's not forget the first Zionist conference, they literally got all the richest, most powerful Jews together, and they were like, how are we going to take over the world?

Ian MalcolmAnd then you see the 150 years that follow, and you're like, you know, I think you guys were planning this out exactly like it played out. Like, it's so insane. We're merely sitting here and we're noting the obviousness of it as they kind of squabble and try to lie to us about how it all went down. And that's kind of the overarching worldview in, I suppose, 15 seconds of what is Jewish supremacy.

Ian MalcolmIt's basically that. The Rothschilds funded some really crazy intellects that were... Plotting the Takeover of the Entire Planet. Under the guise, oh, by the way, that it's not bigoted to do it because they're the chosen people, because I guess if you're the chosen ones, you're allowed to say that you're superior, and that's not bigotry because, well, we're just going to define words.

Ian MalcolmIt really is wild. But anyway, let's check in with Amiru, and then we'll go over to American Patriot.

Speaker 9Yeah, very well stated.

Speaker 9What you're mentioning now is making me think about my timeline where all these usual suspects, our favorite people, are saying... Even right now, Paramount Tactical has a space where he's saying Andrew Wilson basically destroyed Candace and they're having a cope fest, but Candace looks bad, Andrew is destroying her. It's like they don't know how words work or something.

Speaker 9This is not like The Secret, the book where you just make positive wishes and affirmations and hope they come true. You have to be grounded in reality, but it's their hubris that makes them think that that's going to work. And I don't see many of these posts anymore since the debate concluded, but their use of language...

Speaker 9I even was thinking about this, and I don't know how you're going to take this, but there's two sides to language, truth and lies. And you can make a plane out of cardboard and jump off a...

Speaker 9They've chosen the dark side of language, and we're on the other side, and they also have all the material working for them as well, but somehow we're still pissing them off.

Ian MalcolmThat we are, and let's go to American Patriot if he wants to jump in, and we'll check in with Junk, Pork, and then also with non-purified drinking water. That's a new one for me. But let's go to American Patriot.

@theamaz16827948Yes, so, a wise man once said, you can only lose if you play to win. And Andrew Wilson was playing to win. I don't believe that when he went into this, and I believe he says it as much himself, you know, oh gosh, there was like a video that he was recording. I think I actually have it where we have a quote from him. Let me see if I can find it real quick.

@theamaz16827948Oh yeah, this is it. Where he says, I'm going to absolutely eviscerate this chick. Which he's referring to Candace, and that's him in a video on his way, he's driving over to her place in the Bay Area, that's what he says. And even afterwards, you can go to him doing, I forgot his show, Change My Mind Guy, you know, he's the guy who goes up there with a table, like Change My Mind.

@theamaz16827948I forgot his name, but I was talking to him and he was like, all I did there was just, I went in just trying to get her to admit that she had no evidence or anything, like that was the mission. It wasn't actually to debate or have a real conversation to figure out anything. He just wanted to disprove her the whole time.

@theamaz16827948That was his mission. So it wasn't about on the facts or any of the shadiness of all the evidence or, you know, Just how weird all these events put together. It doesn't seem to matter. It's just that, well, we're not going to sit here and question what evidence she has. We just want her to admit that she doesn't have any.

@theamaz16827948So yeah, obviously that doesn't help at all. And also, I mean, I want to say this. I'm going all the way back. This is hours ago. When talking about the shirt, the shirt that moves. Because he said that the bullet hit him first and then the shirt moves. I think Candace claims his shirt moves first, and then we see the bullet hits him.

@theamaz16827948And it's funny for Andrew to claim that. I watched a video of many people analyzing the video, and you do see Charlie kind of clenches his hands, and he kind of rips almost a little bit. His body almost does that flinch thing. And then you see his shirt kind of like... Move up and like puff out. And then you see like the little red hole in his neck where he gets hit.

@theamaz16827948So it is a little bit strange there to claim that the shirt, you know, didn't go up first. The shirt clearly did go up first. And then we see that the bullet entered his neck. So, yeah, I mean, that whole thing, I don't understand what he was talking about there. But just coming away from it because it is getting late, so I can't stay forever.

@theamaz16827948I'm pretty sure we're going to close out. In conclusion, from my perspective, I'm not like a Candace Owens fan. Like I said, I'm more of an Andrew Wilson fan at the end of the day. I don't think this debate is going to stop me from watching videos of his or enjoying other debates of his. I do like the scurrying stuff with leftists.

@theamaz16827948That's all fun. The TikTok invasions, I like all that kind of stuff. But when it comes to this whole Charlotte Couric assassination debate, I am just... Not convinced. He wasn't going there to convince her audience. And unfortunately, that leaves me still being unconvinced that Tyler Robinson was the killer. I believe that Israel and the Jews did 100%.

@theamaz16827948And yeah, I just don't see how the official narrative works out. And Andrew Wilson's whole performance and debate here today didn't make any sense.

Ian MalcolmI very much so agree, and thank you for the commentary there, and also thank you for coming up, and as a fan of Andrew Wilson, kind of sharing the perspective, because again, we never like to have echo chambers in here, and as long as people are just delivering their thoughts, and they're doing so in good faith, welcome any and all of that, and so very, very glad that you're in here and able to provide that perspective.

Ian MalcolmI did see that we had Rabbi [guest] hop in here, so let's go there, and then we will go down to Mr. Junkork.

@malleusigAwesome, thanks. I dropped out a few hours ago because I wanted to actually watch an interview and so I'd have something meaningful to share with them. But halfway through now, and at least from what I've seen so far, it's Candice 1-0. And the reason I say that, even because of the arguments made, is because if you were to go through and isolate all of Candice's parts and all of Andrew's parts,

@malleusigWhen Candace is speaking, it's all information. Data, data, data, data, data. She's giving reasons for why she believes what she believes. Andrew's basically just talking about Candace. He's just talking about why he thinks what she's saying is either, not even wrong, it's disreputable or not to be trusted, right? Or he's engaging in some kind of...

@malleusigSome kind of way to like trying to tear down what she's saying, but he doesn't really have a case of his own. Every time she challenges him directly to make his case, he backs down from that and begins attacking her instead. And this is the sign of someone who has no case. He literally doesn't have an argument. They spent the first hour and a half trying to establish what exactly it was.

@malleusigAndrew Wilson thought was overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson did this. By the end of that exchange, before they moved on to the next bit where they were going to go over, he was going to try and attack her claims about who the real villain is or something. I'm getting to that now. But by the time they ended that part, he still hadn't made his case.

@malleusigAnd there was no way for him to justify What, you know, that Tyler Robinson definitely did it. This is the same thing that he's, I think everyone has been doing with him before Cannish. You would think that he would have figured out how to back these claims up. By now, he's been in a number of debates about this, but he still has yet to offer anything along the lines of why he feels that the evidence that has been put in so far is overwhelming, especially overwhelming enough that every other hypothesis needs to be ignored.

@malleusigAnd that's what really stood out for me, at least so far. I'm still getting to the rest of it now, but I don't know if anyone's brought that up. And the other, oh yeah, the other thing too is he's just doing the Andrew Wilson thing where he just talks constantly. His main argument dynamic seems to be, this is why this thing you've never said is incorrect.

@malleusigNow let me talk forever so you can't point that out, right? He just basically makes a claim about something he imagined you said. And before you get the chance to point out that he's fabricating a claim just to tear it down, he continues talking and he over-talks you so you never get a chance to do that. And by the time you get a word in Edgewise, it's to answer some other thing that he's brought up.

@malleusigAnd this constant talking, it's a very Israeli, A very Israeli, very Jewish tactic. And I don't know if he learned it from them or if someone's coaching him, but it's just as dishonest when he does it.

Ian MalcolmVery well stated there, Rabbi. And I think as you continue through, what you're going to see is an escalation of exactly those types of tactics. And often it's just kind of a derailing exercise that kind of feels... Thank you so much for joining us.

Ian MalcolmI think to the point that Candace would lose her cool. It was just kind of overt intentional gaslighting. And it's at that point that it's kind of comical because you see just the sweat glands on Andrew's face going into overdrive and everything about him just looks really out of control.

@joann_marieWhen the guy came yelling, someone posted a comment in the purple pill of their dog literally waking up on the face of the dog. It's like, seriously, I was laughing so hard. Check it out, guys. It's really funny. Your mate, the rabbi, he was like screaming.

@malleusigI have to watch that. One of the things that I like to ask myself if I'm trying to figure out who's winning a debate is I ask myself, who would be winning this debate if it was done entirely through text? If they were writing things down instead of just speaking them, because speech gives you opportunities to play all these games that are not available to you if you're writing things down.

@malleusigAnd if they were going back and forth in a text-based exchange, Candice would be even more readily wiping the floor with him. And I think that much is going to be obvious to anyone who's watching, even if you are an Andrew Wilson fan. Oh, and by the way, I don't know if you guys were paying attention to the chat replay when you watched the video.

@malleusigThere were thousands of comments coming in. They were just like these mindless, like, Candice is losing it, Andrew is winning, W Andrew, Candice is losing, stop it. There were a lot of pissed off Andrew fans ready to go when this video started. and they're just kind of trying to manufacture a consensus that Candace lost this 1-1.

@malleusigUnfortunately, every piece of evidence, every minute of video shows the exact opposite.

Ian MalcolmRabbi, did you get to the part where they were talking about the converses or no?

@malleusigYeah, I get to that part where his argument is literally, well, we know it has to be Tyler Robinson because he's wearing the same shoes as the other guy we have on video and I think Candace's argument, it was almost insulting to us that he forced Candace to go into more depth as to why owning and wearing the same pairs of shoes doesn't make you the same person.

@malleusigLike that much should be obvious to your average nine-year-old. And the fact that he thought that that was a hill, there was going to come anything, any benefit was going to come out of dying on, I thought was... A little bit desperate and also insulting to me because I'm wasting time listening to him make this fallacious argument.

@malleusigAnd the beta really needs to be considerate of the audience's time and attention when they're doing this.

Ian MalcolmCouldn't agree with you more. And the thing that really stood out to me, I was talking about the gaslighting and the fact that Candace Owens didn't. And we get this in our spaces, right? We get the supremacists who come in. And they basically try to just gaslight and say all this other nonsense to get us unhinged so that it kind of devolves the conversation.

Ian MalcolmAnd it makes us look like we're emotional in our approach to these issues, right? And Candace kind of looking at Andrew Wilson, looking at the moderator, then kind of looking at the camera and being like, I'm not even going to debate. I'll just let the audience decide what they think of that because it's so ridiculous.

Ian MalcolmIt's exactly, Rabbi, when we're talking about it, I mentioned what you said about- Austin yesterday when Piers Morgan was yelling and that he should have just looked off to the camera and been like, hang on guys, this boomer's yelling at me.

@malleusigThat's when you turn your mic off, you lean back and you ask your wife if she can get you a sandwich. Like that's seriously, it's like, sweet, I'm gonna deal with this guy in about five minutes. Can you make a sandwich for me? And then you come back and you say, yeah, yeah, hi, I'm back, what's up?

@malleusigPiers was not saying anything that had any meaning at all. He was basically just signaling at that point.

@nietzsche258918Do you know who's not the winner of our debate? A guy who has to go home and tell his wife that he paid another woman $300,000 to tell her that his wife was retarded. That is not the winner. I'm a married man. I'm just going to tell you. I'm trying to think whether I've ever done this. No, I haven't. I've never... I had to come home to tell my wife I just paid another woman 300 grand to let me tell her that you were retarded.

@nietzsche258918So yes, please make me some food and don't poison it.

@malleusigIf I ever told my wife that I had paid another woman $300,000 for anything, he would want me to have at least gotten sex in the bargain.

Speaker 24Regardless of what you were paying for, that would have been an isolation. Regardless of what you're paying for, it would be, did you at least get laid?

@joann_marieBut props to Rachel, that she's like super ride or die. Like, I wouldn't be able to stand Andrew for two minutes. Or, well, they stand each other, right? Yeah.

@malleusigNo, I don't think, I think, honestly, I think Rachel seems like a really nice person. Andrew, I think, is probably a nice person too. He just argues like a 12-year-old. And it's just a coincidence that the argumentative skills of a 12-year-old is sufficient to dispel your average whatever guest. And he's stepping outside of his weight class when he goes to argue with someone like Candice or PBD or...

@malleusigYour average 30-year-old on the street even, right? It's like he has a weight class and he needs to stick to it. And unfortunately, he's decided to step above it right now.

Ian MalcolmHis weight class is like 21-year-old OnlyFans girls who know nothing about anything. It's kind of funny.

@malleusigExactly. Who think there are 35 genders and there's no link. Like IQ, who don't know how to read an IQ curve, right? That's his weight class.

Ian MalcolmBut number is big, Rabbi.

@malleusigYeah, but this number is bigger than the other one. So therefore, I'm right. Yeah. No, actually, have you gone through the comments in this video? You go through the comments and compare it to live chat, it's like night and day. The live chat is like, it's like, Win Andrew, El Candice, yada, yada, yada. The comments are, Andrew's foot needed a nicotine patch.

@malleusigWe'll be right back. Andrew needs a cigarette. Emergency landed in my Egyptian plane to watch this. I'm going to use that too. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. PBD is like, I just want to sell shoes.

@malleusigAndrew would have smoked a whole pack of cigarettes. Put the poll back up. I stopped maniacally swinging my foot to watch this.

@malleusigLegend has it his legs are still shaking. Bro paid 300k for this. Please say it's a prank lol. I took out my SD card to watch this.

@malleusigI'm pretty sure Andrew was sending out an SOS with this quote. Stopped midway through paving a crime scene to watch this debate. So it's amazing. Just read the comments and read the chat replay and you tell me which one seems more authentic to you.

@joann_marieThey are hilarious. I'm going to look through the comments now, Rabbi. Thank you.

Ian MalcolmLet's go to Mr. Junt Hork. Junt?

@joann_marieOkay, in the meantime, guys, please repost this space. And if you guys go to it, I will also repost it and follow Ian and David and Rabbi and everybody on the panel. And also bookmark it. It helps so much with the algorithm. Jant.

Ian MalcolmLet's go to Hansa Prime.

Speaker 28What's up, guys? Can you hear me?

Ian MalcolmWe can.

Speaker 28Yeah. I just wanted to mention fame, notoriety, money. www.patreon.com

Speaker 28Andrew really didn't belong in the same room. I'll give him credit though. He's one of the few men that allowed me to debate him. And even me, in a normal conversation, he was a complete fucking idiot. He didn't know what Glass-Steagall was. He was just a complete turd. And he's doing it for money. And he had a tough life.

Speaker 28And yeah, he really lost. He was sweating. I noticed he was sweating a lot and he just looked like shit. The guy just looked like shit. It was like taking a bum off the street and bringing him into the studio and talking to a bum.

@malleusigYeah, that's pretty much the impression that I get too. I think it almost seems like Israel is trying to prop up Andrew Wilson as like a smart debater. In the same way they tried to prop up Gal Gadot as the most beautiful woman in the world.

Speaker 28Israel wasn't mentioned enough in this debate.

@malleusigThe thing is, I think Candace knows that if she brings up Israel, then she can be accused of directly accusing Israel without a lot of evidence. I think what all of us are actually saying is that We don't see a lot of evidence that proves that Israel did it, but I think we all agree that if this were a regular court case and a murder, Israel would definitely be a prime suspect, just because of how much they benefit out of this, their control over a TPUSA that's coming out of it, their control over the national discourse.

Speaker 28What about the guy, the first man they arrested was the Jewish one? What about him?

@malleusigWell, yeah. Yeah, nobody's forgotten about that. That's another bullet point. But again, even that, and personally, I think Israel did it, but I wouldn't say that that's going to be enough evidence to prove that they did it, right? Right now, and it's with anything of this magnitude, when you're dealing with a foreign intelligence agency, they're going to be extremely careful, and it's going to be...

@malleusigIt's going to be a real challenge for them to be sloppy enough to leave real evidence that they did it.

Speaker 28I want you to work with me here. The man that was the Jewish man that was screaming was named George Zinn?

@malleusigI know.

Speaker 28That was his name?

@malleusigHe was also at 9-11.

Speaker 28Okay. And I believe...

@joann_marieI think the Boston Marathon bombings.

@malleusigYeah. He wasn't directly at the Boston bombings. Someone had told me that he... He had mailed in a bomb threat, but it wasn't there at the scene.

Speaker 28Still very weird, though.

@malleusigBut still very weird, yes.

Speaker 28And I believe the scenario was Charlie got shot, and the first thing we heard was there was a man screaming, and he was arrested, and we found out it was a Jewish guy. And that's what I remember. I'm not a memory hole, but I do remember that happening. First thing was that.

@malleusigYeah. No, I know. And I remember that too. And my point is that you have... Because they move these memories around.

Speaker 28They mess with our memories here, guys. So I'm just trying to keep it clear.

@malleusigI know they do. But the point is that I think that my position is the same as it always was. My position is not that I have irrefutable proof that Israel shot Charlie Kirk. My position is that there's enough evidence and there's enough questions.

@malleusigYou're going to have to explain why that typo happened twice in the same letter across two languages, which is going to be a very interesting question to answer. You had all of the...

@joann_marieThe Shlomo Pearl.

@malleusigThe Shlomo Pearl Merle that went up that was ready to go in 24 hours?

@joann_marieAnd also calling him a useful idiot in front of everyone is crazy.

@malleusigIt is. It absolutely is. You have... You have... Benjamin Netanyahu going on television or video, I think 20 minutes after he was shot, literally 20 minutes. So you're telling me Netanyahu and the Israeli government happened to have their schedules clear that soon after the guy was dead and were able to go on to make a video and explain that it was definitely not them that killed Charlie.

@malleusigimmediately after he was killed. That's, again, not proof that they did it, but it's along the lines of if my neighbor was found hacked to death in his basement and I was there 10 minutes before the police protesting my innocence before they had ever investigated.

@joann_marieAlso, there was like 30 people with Israeli phones there.

@malleusigthat's right they pinged a bunch of Israeli ips sorry a bunch of Israeli phones in the crowd but again that kind of behavior is exactly what rockets you to the top of the suspect list and the fact that the fact one second buddy the fact that anyone is trying to put this much effort into making sure Israel gets taken off of the list of suspects before any investigation happens for me that

@malleusigIndicates some tomfoolery, and I think that keeps them even higher on the list. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Hamza. You keep on jumping.

Speaker 28So sorry. Whatchamacallit. There were these amazing murals dedicated to Charlie on the same day he died.

@malleusigI know. JoAnn mentioned them already. The Shlomo Pearl thing.

Speaker 28Yeah, they showed up in Israel, and they were so nice and amazingly well done. I'm shocked they completed them in like a couple hours.

@malleusigI know.

Speaker 28I know. Yeah.

@malleusigAnd there's... There's all this other stuff. There's the fact that they contracted an Israeli firm to pave over the crime scene 24 or 48 hours afterwards, which should be a federal crime that's called destroying evidence and obstruction of justice. But for some reason, when Israel does it, it's okay.

Speaker 28One more thing, man. I hope they ask this one big question. Who in the security placed him in the middle of the campus and left the roofs... I was not watching the roofs or the roofs directly in front of him because it was as if he was right. I mean, shouldn't you be watching the roofs? Why were the roofs not being watched or monitored or somebody on a roof?

Speaker 28You know?

@malleusigWell, I mean, again, it's the whole... Easy duty.

Speaker 28It was like easy job, man.

@malleusigIt's the whole Kennedy and where for some reason nobody checked out all the buildings thing. You know, it's the same thing. It would have been...

Speaker 28But this is a roof. You're in a closed setting. It's an octagon. I know. You can see the roofs.

@malleusigI know. I know. You can see the roofs. I mean, putting one person on each roof is so trivially easy with someone... One person on the roof could handle the entire roof.

Speaker 28I know.

@malleusigI know. I know, it's enough to make you wonder if there weren't elements inside of a security detail that wanted him shot.

Speaker 28So the security people, are they Israeli-based, or are they TPUSA American guys? Cornbread.

@malleusigIf I remember correctly, they were actually an Israeli firm, which lends even more credence to this theory.

Speaker 28Okay, so listen, Andrew Wilson's a fucking piece of white trash, man. This fucking guy just...

@malleusigI don't even have... You don't even have to get into that, Hama.

Speaker 28You just spent three hours of wasting our time.

@malleusigYou can attack him... You can attack him sufficiently... Well, he spent three hours burning through 300K of his money, which, frankly... Hey, if he wants to do it, let him do it. I think if he ever wants to debate me again, I'll ask him for 100K.

Speaker 28Hey, I want you to understand there's a guy, his name is Handsome Truth, H.T. He goes by the initials H.T. Now we know who he is. Andrew is a scumbag. Andrew really doesn't matter. That's what I'm trying to say.

@joann_marieI don't think we can say that he is. Anyway, thank you so much for coming up, Kamsa.

@malleusigDavid, can you send that over? He's a Mason, apparently, so there's that. Yeah, I'll send it right over. I think it's more interesting that he actually turns out to be a Freemason, which, again, they are the other every single time after the people that I like to call the Slytherins of the human race. So that's something to note.

Speaker 28I've seen scumbags like him during the early 2000s during the Iraq war on MSNBC talking. He sounds just like those guys.

@joann_marieCool. Thank you.

@malleusigAll right. You want to go to hands, JoAnn?

@joann_marieGameOfThrones.

@malleusigLet's go to hands.

@joann_marieWelcome. Go for it. Thanks.

Speaker 29Hermanita Catala, it's crazy day as usual. I got a guy that writes to me saying, can you block me, please? You post nothing original, yet when I go and unfollow you, it doesn't let me. Thanks. Well, I'd call that karma, whoever that was. Very simply put, if it's not obvious by now, thou dost protest too much. Shakespeare, my dear.

Speaker 29I mean, these people that wonder who did what, was it this accomplice, was it this? Guys, it's so damned obvious that Israel will never, ever, ever quote-unquote let you know or quote-unquote admit it. Let's just come to the table. It will never be made public. Bank on it. I'll give you three to one odds. Everybody at this table, period.

Speaker 29That's it. That's my share.

Speaker 28After that debate, I believe you.

@joann_marieThank you so much for coming up, GameOfThrones, and God bless you.

@nietzsche258918JoAnn, I think I'm going to market a new Magic 8-Ball where it just says, yeah, it was definitely Israel. Like that. Every time you shake it, it'll just, you know, like you may as well. It's reasonable to conclude, you know, like if you don't know. Every single time. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 30David, I have a question. Just for the panel, just in general, I'm not really sure who's the most knowledgeable.

@joann_marieNo, Junior, I have a question for you. Are you going to go to Israel?

Speaker 30No, absolutely not. They're going to kill me.

@joann_marieI have a video of you saying that you're going to go to Israel.

Speaker 30Who was I telling that to? Yeah, I saw it too.

@joann_marieIt doesn't matter who you're saying it to. You're saying that you're going to Israel. But you weren't being sarcastic.

Speaker 30My whole plan that I was doing, you guys are ruining it for the sake of trying to understand whether I'm actually serious about going to Israel or not, not realizing that my life is literally under threat by Zionism. If I take a flight to Ben Gurion, you think I will ever see the sky again? You genuinely think the Saudi government...

@joann_marieI'm pretty sure Lucas Gage would say something like that and then go to Israel.

Speaker 30Bro, even Lucas Gage wouldn't go to Israel, and I haven't stupidly...

@joann_marieI'm pretty sure he will go at some point. Given that he's...

@nietzsche258918Hold on, hold on, hold on. So Lucas Gage has obviously totally been cucked by Israel. He's found everybody that remotely represents Israel and gotten down on his knees and done his job for them. I don't see how it is that you say that people that do that are not rewarded for doing it. What are you saying here? Why wouldn't Israel like someone who...

Speaker 30Do you realize how Jews view anti-Semites? I was named top 10 anti-Semites.

@nietzsche258918I'm your dog. Whatever it is you say, I will grovel. I will lick the blood of martyrs off of the knuckles of you tyrants. Whatever it says to get me back into the fold, I will do it. Plug me in, boss. Why do you think they would be a threat to him for capitulating to them? Help me out with that one.

Speaker 30You have to understand the consequences of words.

@nietzsche258918Oh, thanks. Hold on. Once again, jotting this down.

Speaker 30Lucas Cage, his words towards the Jewish people, towards Israel, have not been fully retracted. Yes, they have.

@nietzsche258918He said that he totally, in every way.

Speaker 30You can't just say I retract things.

@nietzsche258918No, no, he didn't just say he retracts things. Hold on, one second, one second here. Let me just help you out here. Why are you muting? Because you're interrupting me. Stop interrupting me. He didn't just retract them, right? He groveled ad infinitum on why he retracted them and how those people and what their mental problem is.

@theamaz16827948How did he grovel?

@nietzsche258918I'm literally telling you. He literally said, where this comes from and how I got drawn in by these people and how anti-Semitism works and how I got drawn into it. Dude, it makes... His humiliation ritual was incredibly long. The Nuremberg trials were quick compared to this, all right? He did all of this, and you're saying that they are a threat to him, that he wouldn't see the sky.

@nietzsche258918This is ridiculous. Everybody knows it. Everybody else knows it, okay? If you don't know this or you're going to pretend not to know it, I think you do. This is ridiculous. This is not how it works. If you kiss the ring, if you grovel... If you aptly capitulate and renounce all of the other side, they're going to like you for that.

@nietzsche258918What message would it send to all of the other people they want to bend the knee? Charlie Kirk is a good example. They wanted him just merely to stop listening to Charlie Kirk, just merely to stop talking to Dave Smith. He said no, and look at how it ended up. Do you think Israel should be strongly suspected for taking out Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 30I didn't know that. I didn't know that. He doesn't even admit the honeymoon directive happened.

@joann_marieHe's saying like, oh yeah, the Palestinians are killing everyone and they are like getting what's coming for them. Like he's like in the absolute Hasbara manual, 100%.

@nietzsche258918Okay, so now that you know this, does this make Lucas Gage, does it make him a horrible, traitorous person?

Speaker 30I mean, bro, he's Christian, right?

@nietzsche258918If you go to Israel, he's Christian. Are you saying this? Okay, yes. Was Ted Bundy Christian? I don't care. So let me ask you this question again. Can I speak? Hold on. I'm sorry, but you seem to be misunderstanding. Am I allowed to speak? You seem to be misunderstanding my question. My question is this.

Speaker 30Okay, I'm not allowed to speak.

@nietzsche258918Hold on, hold on. You can go if you want, by the way. It's okay. It'll brighten our doorstep.

Speaker 30I don't want to cut you off. It seems like you get emotional.

@nietzsche258918Okay, I'm not emotional, all right? I'm just trying to finish this sentence, okay? So here's the question for you. Do you think that given that he's pro-genocide, he's pro-Israel, he's renounced everybody that's calling out Jewish supremacy, right? He's renounced, he's said that it's a mental problem with anti-Semitism, it's a mental problem that he's renounced and he was caught up in.

@nietzsche258918Given that he did all of these things and he's betrayed the movement, don't you think that makes him a horrible person? That's my question for you.

Speaker 30I think Lucas Gage is a horrible person. Okay, good, good.

@joann_marieWell, I hope you don't go to Israel.

Speaker 30No, that's the end of the topic.

Speaker 30Which is what? That's so weird, bro. What the fuck? Hold on. Which is what? No, that is correct.

@joann_marieWe actually do never talk about this, Junior.

@nietzsche258918Okay, but we don't talk about this. So you're gaslighting us because your stupid plot failed? What the hell is this?

Speaker 30Why would I continue the rhetoric despite being demonetized? Why would I take it?

Speaker 30Well first of all you're saying that you're going on to stealth spaces

@nietzsche258918And you're being...

Speaker 30I went to one space and got her to unblock me so I can get close and get some intel.

@nietzsche258918What do you mean intel? How stupid is that? What intel? What are you talking about? You guys fucked that whole plan.

Speaker 23We can't get anything done as a team.

@nietzsche258918We're not on the same team, buddy.

Speaker 30Because every time someone tries to do something, you guys are like, oh bro, this guy's a Zionist now. He went to the other side.

@joann_marieWell, if you go to stealth medical space and then you're like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go to Israel. I'm going to ask you, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And you're like, you're ruining my plan. No, it's insane.

@nietzsche258918My diabolical plan, dude. You guys ruined it. Let me help you out. One. There is no team, okay? There's no you in team, okay? There's definitely a we in win. Anyway, there's an I in win, but there's no you in team. You're the one with the pocket protector by your locker that thinks you're doing something that the rest of us aren't doing.

@nietzsche258918You're not... Making the team. You're not on the team. And by the way, we don't exist by obfuscation. You don't, like, you're trying to understand, get details. You can listen to Stealth Space all day long. Or you could just come to me and I could just tell you, hey, the Jews don't run everything. They're wonderful people.

@nietzsche258918It doesn't take much. This is all such a joke. What intel are you getting? What do you think? She's going to give you the secret code? Maybe she's going to teach you the secret handshake. This is all ridiculous.

Speaker 30How many impressions do you get?

@joann_marieI don't give a fuck about impressions, Junior. Like, seriously, nobody gives a fuck.

@nietzsche258918The number is big. Does the veracity of any given point depend upon the number?

Speaker 30I just asked the question.

@nietzsche258918Does the veracity of any given point depend upon the number of impressions that one gets? No. The truth is winning because it's the truth. And you're saying, hey, but I'm a liar and I deceive people and that's my thing. Okay, we'll have at it.

Speaker 30How many impressions do you have?

@joann_marieDude, if I care about impressions, I would post bikini shots or whatever the fuck. I don't care about impressions.

@nietzsche258918Yes, and for the purposes of this space, you have one impression, a really bad one.

Speaker 16How many impressions do you guys have?

@nietzsche258918And for the purposes of this space, you have one impression, a really bad one, and you've made it. So, anyway, let's go to our next speaker. IQ, what do you have to say?

Speaker 31Well, I gotta say the number is big. Therefore, I'm right. Right.

Speaker 23Yeah.

Speaker 30Is your number big? Because I do that daily, bro. I do what you do in a year every day.

@nietzsche258918Okay, well, you win.

Speaker 30I don't know if you think that's a flex call, bro.

@joann_marieBut I don't care about it.

Speaker 30I post real anti-Israel content, not the shit you guys post. And then you're questioning my fucking loyalty. You're questioning my fucking effort.

@joann_marieWell, I'm not questioning anything. You literally said that you were going to go to Israel. Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 30Bro, that... That is Takiyah. If you guys have ever seen a Muslim do Takiyah, there you go.

@joann_marieSee, this is why... That's Sayyafi as hell, bro.

Speaker 31What the fuck is that?

@joann_marieYou're making Palestinians and Muslims really bad right now. You're a Sayyaf. We're going to stop, and I hope that you do introspection or something. I don't know.

Speaker 30You know they would kill me if I go home. Why would you think in your right mind that I'm suicidal?

@nietzsche258918Let me ask you this before you go on. Just this random question. Do you have a flashlight in your house?

Speaker 30I have a flashlight on my phone.

@nietzsche258918Okay, good. Well, use it to find your reputation because you've lost it. So, I don't know if you can get it somewhere else, but not here. I'm sorry. This is just pattern recognition. Well, I'm the most viral account on this app. Okay. Oh, exactly. Well, thank you for admitting that.

Speaker 23Think about me, bro.

@nietzsche258918You guys are poor. Okay.

Speaker 30Thank you for coming. You've done nothing for me.

@joann_marieYou think your opinion matters? You are nobody to me.

Speaker 30Thank you so much for coming on.

@joann_marieI really do pray that you do not go to Israel.

Speaker 30I'm kind of wanting him to go now.

@nietzsche258918Bye, have a nice one. Take care.

@joann_marieI think El Jefe wanted to talk.

Speaker 12That shit is hilarious, bro. Unbelievable. Like, you know, first of all, you ever hear the saying, like, they tell on themselves?

@joann_marieYeah. I hope he revisits his shit. I actually do hope that he changes his ways.

Speaker 12Yeah, I don't think he has any potential. Listen, JoAnn, maybe, or David, you can tell me where the list of the number one hated people in Israel is, you know, because he's on it, right? He's number one, I think he said. I'm number one.

@nietzsche258918Well, he's on a mailer

Speaker 32He's a dirty camel jockey sand Jew.

Speaker 12He's not on the panel anymore, guys.

Speaker 32Well, let him come up.

Speaker 12Let me up too late. He's in the tunnel.

@nietzsche258918David, I wanted you to have me up here.

Speaker 12He's down in the tunnel.

@nietzsche258918What did you say, IQ?

Speaker 31Oh, that wasn't me.

@nietzsche258918I said I wanted to be up here when Junior was here. I tried so hard to come up here. My God. It was great.

Speaker 12What's up, bro?

@nietzsche258918What's up, bro?

@nietzsche258918One person at a time, please. Go ahead, Wolf. You know, my apologies. I really, I'm just up late now. I wanted to, but I got to give it to David, right? David, really, so perfectly. The way you cooked him up here. David, you made me laugh so hard. The way you, I mean, the way you handled him. I mean, class act, brother.

@nietzsche258918Thank you. I think I'm going to start. I'm going to use his tactic. I'm going to go into the rooms and tell everybody that I'm really important and they should just all listen to me. I mean, what a clown. JoAnn said he's not here anymore.

Speaker 32How many impressions do you have?

Speaker 12How many impressions do you have? All of the boys. Do you have a flashlight? That's the one. Do you have a flashlight? Well, use it to go find your reputation.

@nietzsche258918Oh, that was so good. I got to remember this one because that was absolutely class act, dude. Anyways, David, sorry, I wanted to be up here in Koch Jr. because I can't stand him and Max. Those two are really troublemakers. Ian and I have talked about this, and so many others have as well, like Rabbi [guest], is that it's all so obvious now, right?

@nietzsche258918And all we're doing is saying the truth. We're speaking out of love and solicitude for mankind. We're not hiding, as I've said before. We're not building tunnels or bunkers. We're just saying,

@nietzsche258918Hey, gosh, this is a problem. And everybody, including, I'm sorry, but a diminutive little gay person who, you know, I won't even mention him. But it's just the pattern recognition, right? When they say, well, I had to lie for this reason. And I have to obfuscate and I have to deceive. Okay, well, we're not liars. And, you know, our honor and our integrity, you know, we, to paraphrase the line out of Gladiator, what we do now echoes in eternity.

@nietzsche258918And we renounce anybody that lacks that goodness, that lacks that morality, that lacks that integrity. And for them, they're saying, here's the reason why I have to lie. Well, guess what we're fighting? Lies. And you're saying you have to lie. Guess what we're fighting? Deception. And you're saying I have to deceive. Well, whose side are you on?

@nietzsche258918If you represent lies and deception, I promise you, you don't represent us. In fact, you represent what we stand against. So there it is. Yeah, no, you got it perfect, David. I mean, you're intelligent. I know you, man. You're a good man. But I warn you guys with Max Prime and Junior. Listen, big account, Junior's account is big, right?

@nietzsche258918Bigger than any account we have up here. Yet they cannot push more than 150 to 200 people in their spaces, right? Max Prime alone can never get more than 60, 70 people. Why do you think he come in here? They come in here doing the things they're doing. Don't trust them. Listen, you guys can make fun of them the way you did.

@nietzsche258918You did a good job, but they're not to be trusted. They're running some kind of weird campaign right now. I don't know what they're doing with their spaces. They sold their souls. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 32They sold their souls to the devil. These guys are so obvious.

@nietzsche258918You can't get it back. They're so obvious about how bad they are. Hotel California. Yeah. Oh, I know. They're so obvious about how bad they are at doing what they're doing. It is the most low IQ thing I've ever seen. So anyways, God bless. David, you did so well, dude. That was so funny. Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

@nietzsche258918Absolutely. And you're right about the spaces. I've noticed, and I won't name other names, But how weak their spaces are. Meanwhile, Ian Malcolm decides impromptu just a couple of few hours ago, you know what, I'm just going to do a space. Didn't have one planned and we've had all the people, wonderful people come to this space today.

@nietzsche258918So shout out to Ian Malcolm for being able to just outperform them in a space that he didn't plan, that he just did, you know, extemporaneously. Absolutely, the truth is winning. That's a good telltale sign.

@joann_marieI love Jan so much. And you, David. No, you guys are absolutely brilliant, so thank you. All right, let's go to a couple of more hands. Yeah, go for it, Matt. You haven't spoken yet.

@mattlagosOkay, thank you.

@joann_marieWelcome. Nice to meet you.

@mattlagosNice to meet you, too. It's nice to hear that the truth still prevails. As I like to say, his truth is marching on. And so I decided to come on and speak on this because I know who Andrew Wilson is. I know his family. I know his brother, Owen and Luke, who both, they all grew up in Dallas. That's where I'm based out of.

@mattlagosAnd I know his dad, Ralph Wilson, who ran the public television station in Dallas called KERA. And I do know Candace Owens. And what I've learned about her is she's part of the gaslighting industrial complex, is the way I would put it. A lot of folks on her side, you know, her point of view, I truly don't believe, like, I truly believe it's like her are too smart to say some of the things that they say.

@mattlagosBut unfortunately, outrage sells. Gaslighting sells. And I give credit to Andrew Wilson for putting out that 300k offer. It was too good to refuse. And they took it. And I mean, I've been watching some of the clips of the way he schooled her tonight. It's just a masterclass in how you get to people. First of all, you build people up.

@mattlagosYou get them to think that they're the bigger person. And by the way, I understand why he won tonight. He had 25 years experience on her. Wait, hold on.

@nietzsche258918One second here. He's saying that the other guy won, Rabbi. Yeah. And by the way, I don't see... I do have one question for you, Matt. How is it that you say that women are retarded? How is that building someone up? Help me out with that one.

@mattlagosWhen did I say women are retarded?

@nietzsche258918You said that he built up Candace Owens. Built her up in order to get this, right? How does calling women... First of all, Candace Owens is a woman. You agree with this, right?

@mattlagosYeah, yes.

@nietzsche258918Okay, so I don't want to do the syllogism here. So how is it that calling women before this... Calling women retarded builds up Candace Owens. How does that do that?

@mattlagosHe shouldn't. He's fighting fire with fire.

@nietzsche258918I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not judging now, but you said he built up Candace Owens. If you call women retarded, does that sound like someone building up, right? No, it doesn't.

@mattlagosNo, I grant you that it doesn't, but he built her up by offering her that $300,000.

@nietzsche258918Okay, second question. Well, yes, but I mean, I'm sorry, but I think the person, we started this space playing the gambler. I think the person who walks away from the table with $300,000 kind of one. But here's my question for you. Totally unrelated question. Do you consider it to be a genocide in Gaza?

Speaker 2Gosh, you know, okay, hold on.

@mattlagosI don't need 30 seconds to answer that. All right. But if I have 30 seconds, I'll take it. I mean... It's heartbreaking what's happening. I'm not a Jew, I'm a Christian, of course. But your heart breaks when you see children being pulled out of hospitals. I don't know who to blame for that at this point. You hear both sides.

@mattlagosYou hear from the ultra-white-wing government of Netanyahu, and you hear from the Palestinians, and they have their side. But who do you believe? I'm not there. You're sitting on the fence because it's convenient. You're sitting on the fence because it's convenient. I'm against genocide.

@nietzsche258918Wait, but you won't call that one a genocide, right? All right, let me help you out here, okay?

Speaker 33You said... Wow, I'm against genocide. Raise your hand if you're for genocide.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, right. You see, he represents the anti-genocide. Don't tempt me. That's wonderful.

@mattlagosSurprisingly, the Jews are always against genocide. You want me to take a side?

@nietzsche258918Well, hold on. No, no. Let me just finish this. So, you said both sides say something different, right? Okay, Israel themselves says that the reason why that they're mass exterminating children is because that their targets run into the schools and hospitals. They're mass exterminating the elderly, they bomb most of the hospitals, most of the schools, and they're saying that they're doing it because their targets are running in or under those things.

@nietzsche258918So they're admitting to committing genocide and legitimizing it. And Ian Malcolm has a post up where the significant percentage of Israelis themselves, the citizens, Support genocide an even greater percentage something like 75% support ethnic cleansing now Given that they're admitting to genocide. Why is it that you are unwilling to call it a genocide as well?

@mattlagosBecause nobody wins in war

@mattlagosNobody wins.

@nietzsche258918It's not war, it's genocide. You've lost your bona fides for being able to...

@joann_marieHold on. Look on the Jumbotron. There is a newspaper that says 2023 is the deadliest year for Palestinian children, says human rights violation. It ends on October 6th.

@joann_marieIt's before October 7th. You don't know what has happened in Palestine for the past 80 years. They have been massacres and massacres. They literally have a policy calling mowing the lawn where they just go and kill Palestinians. So it's not a, oh no, I don't know who to believe. Literally, Israel exterminates the Palestinians year after year.

@malleusigAll right. You're right. It's genocide. Matt, listen. I have a couple. Okay, thank you. Thank you. The questions I was going to ask were... And I think everyone should write these down. When people deny it's a genocide, ask them a series of questions. Ask them if it's possible that it could be a genocide. Can a genocide happen even if Jewish people are exterminating non-Jews, right?

@malleusigAnd if you're dealing with someone who's really crazy, ask them if it could be a genocide even if Jews aren't being killed. And then you ask them, could it be a genocide even if Jewish people are killing non-Jews? I think we all agree that's possible. Then you ask them, could it be a genocide if the admissions of intent are greater in number and in scope than the admissions of intent that we have from the Nazis?

@malleusigThe answer to that one is also yes. The only thing, the only place where Jews and Israel have a numerical advantage is in the claimed number of people that were killed. And we all know there are issues with that. But even if you're going to go by that, if someone is going to come up to you and stupidly claim that it's not a genocide because we haven't hit 6 million yet, all you have to do is ask them at what point during your genocide in the 30s and 40s did it become a genocide?

@malleusigBecause if they're going to say that, well, it's 680,000 in Gaza right now, so it's not a genocide yet. You asked them, was it a genocide when the Nazis got to 680,000? Or was it up to that point, it was just them playing around, it was war, and it was just sad.

@mattlagosThe better way I would put it is, how many Palestinians have to die before we call it a genocide?

@nietzsche258918Okay, what is the answer to that question?

@malleusigAnd if the number is different for Jews and Palestinians, you know we're dealing with someone who's biased.

@mattlagosAlright, here's what I'll say. The Israelis have all the advantage. The US government has been, for 70 plus years since they declared their independence, has been supporting them with weapons. Drones, F-15s, I mean, some of the most sophisticated weapons, while the Palestinians have had their hands tied behind their back in an illegal occupation.

@mattlagosI will go ahead and say that it's an illegal occupation in the West Bank.

@malleusigliterally had the number of calories going into Gaza counted and kept at subsistence levels.

@nietzsche258918The point is, though, when you come in and you say, well, on the subject matter of a debate, and you just watched a genocide happen in 1080p, and you can't call that out, you understand that... No one's going to think a lot of your judgment. I mean, the whole world just watched the genocide. And also, the reason why is important.

@nietzsche258918You know, remember the never again thing? But how about never now? How about never now? The fact that a genocide is actually still happening right now. And the fact that if we don't have the courage to lift our voice and say that's a genocide. How is there possibly, how do you possibly demur on this question when we're talking about children buried under the rubble?

@nietzsche258918We're talking about, hold on, hold on, hold on. We're talking about children we have evidence of have been targeted with a bullet right between their eyes. I'm not talking about, these are good shots. And they're consistently assassinating these children. By the way, they've also assassinated more journalists than all the other countries combined in that period.

@nietzsche258918And let's just remember,

@nietzsche258918They're a country of nine million. I hope this makes to you, I know it won't make you as uncomfortable as the children that are getting killed, so just bear with me. I agree with that, yes. Okay, so the point I'm making is that this country, and even Piers Morgan makes this point, part of their genocide is to kill journalists who come in to observe the genocide.

@nietzsche258918Everything about this makes it obvious that it's a genocide. And the fact that you won't call it out, you understand, simply indicts your own judgment. How can you not see that?

@mattlagosWell, that's... In all fairness to Matt, he's agreed to call it out. I've acknowledged that.

@malleusigAnd also, in defense of Netanyahu, never again, that was a typo, it should have been never... Again, so question mark after never. Oh, Lord. Period or exclamation mark after again. You're saying it's a question mark? No, never? No, no, no. Again.

@nietzsche258918Well, let's go to Honey Badger. I noticed she had her hand up.

@mattlagosThank you.

Speaker 34Well, no, I think... To be fair, I think there's a very simple question to be asked here. Thank you, David. I think, Matt, you're pro-life, right? Yes.

@mattlagosYou called yourself a Christian. Well, I am a Christian.

Speaker 34Well, what?

@mattlagosWhat? But my mom said it best. Matt, I brought you into this world and I could have taken you.

Speaker 33No, no, no, no. I don't want your cuteness. I'm not asking. You're for your whole life. You're against abortion, right?

@mattlagosIf it's my choice, the baby's born.

Speaker 33Okay, that's in more fence setting. Okay, but you know, like, so 100 million people are missing from the, you know, from society since 1973. Okay, so... So if you call yourself, like tell me the truth. Okay. Just say it.

@mattlagosTell the truth.

Speaker 33Are you for abortion? You called yourself a Christian. Is God the author of life? Are you for abortion?

@mattlagosI believe that... Every life is precious and that every life should be born. But guess what? I'm not a woman.

Speaker 33Okay, okay, stop.

@mattlagosI'm not a woman. I don't get that voice.

Speaker 33Okay, stop, okay, stop. Do you understand that I'm not a woman? You are literally making the same... That is weasley. Weasley as hell. You are literally... Okay, you're a coward. You're flat out a coward. Why am I a coward? Because you're making the same argument that Israel makes to allow themselves...

Speaker 33Once it's born, oh, okay, hold the fuck up. Wait, wait a second. Once a life is born, so at 40 weeks, it's okay for a woman to abort their baby. You are full of shit. No, I cannot take you seriously. No, once it's born, it has merit. No, no, no. First of all, no. Like, I hope everybody understands because I'm not getting into an emotional argument.

Speaker 33I am talking about the intrinsic value of every life. Now, you are going to, well... If this happens, then perhaps it's a casualty of war because this life threatened mine or somebody else's. That's literally what you're saying right now. So either you have a foundation and you understand on the terms of either Joanna's life or Ian's life.

Speaker 33David's life. We all started out the same way. Well, guess what? So did the children in Palestine. So the justifications of the genocide that have happened in the Middle East, which continue to happen, you are propagating under the wholesome banner, be quiet, of calling yourself a Christian and blessing whatever genocide you see deemed as fit.

Speaker 33David. And cut me a break about I'm not a woman. That is the most pussy argument that a man can make.

@mattlagosBut the reason I say that is because men are deciding when women should have the right to end their birth.

Speaker 33You're a retarded. You are fundamentally retarded, sir. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? No, you're 100% wrong. Well, hold on.

@malleusigHold on a second. Matt, Matt, Matt. You are right. You are right in that men should be allowed to tell women when it's not okay to kill their baby. Because women aren't going to do it. Alright, I'm with you on that. No, I didn't say that, but okay.

Speaker 33No, he actually said the opposite, Rabbi. He actually said the opposite. What did he say? No, he actually said the opposite. No, I'm not going to tell a woman to choose. Listen, pro-abortion is the most convenient argument that a man can have. You know what that is? That's a sneaky fucker. That's a guy that doesn't want... Oh, it's not my fault.

Speaker 33It's not my fault. She's probably like, no, no, it's your choice, baby. I don't think anyone should be allowed to kill their baby. Like, what the fuck? Exactly, exactly. No, no, no, but he's for it. No, but Joanna, no, no. It's true, sweetie. Thank you for watching, and I'll see you next time.

@mattlagosNow, I want to clear up my position on abortion because I think she's misunderstanding my position.

Speaker 33Oh, really? Yes. I think you were pretty clear.

@mattlagosIn Texas, there's bounties put on women because they have an atopic pregnancy or because they're going to have a stillborn.

Speaker 33Oh, that is the biggest pile of bullshit.

@mattlagosThat is not true.

Speaker 33Are you an OBGYN? Dude, I know you're lying. Wait a minute. I want to hear this. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

@malleusigThis is crazy. The Texas Legislature passed a law saying if somebody found out that a woman had what they considered an illegal abortion, that they could surveil the woman's health care,

@mattlagosAnd they could take them to civil court in Texas. If in court it's found, if it could be proven by a preponderance of the evidence that they had an illegal abortion, then the person who reported them gets $20,000 reward for reporting that fake abortion. Okay, so that's not a bounty.

@malleusigThat's not a bounty. That's not a bounty works. They're getting paid to turn someone in. He's lying. That's not a bounty. Bounty means you go in and you get it.

@nietzsche258918Before we go on, though. So, you're punting on the moral question. And the moral question is absolute. If you said, if I said, well, if Honey Badger said, is it wrong to lie? And I would say, well, I'd say as a man, yes, but I'm not a woman, so I don't know whether, no, I can state whether I think lying is, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me finish.

@nietzsche258918Please don't interrupt me. I can state my moral position. I can say, no, I think that is morally wrong. It doesn't matter. I'm not even discussing law. I'm just discussing morality. Hold on. Whether it's right to kill. Same, by the way, with bombing children. By the way, these things are connected. The fact that you can't call it a genocide in Gaza and the fact that you're this...

@nietzsche258918More relativism obviously is kind of screwing your mind. And it is weak. I'm sorry, but it is weak. Because all you have to do is make the moral call. It doesn't imply. Once you make the moral call, we can talk about the legality of it. You won't even make the moral call. You won't even say, well, no, I think that's right or I think that's wrong.

@nietzsche258918Let me give you an example. So a woman has a child in her stomach and that child is viable. Okay? So that child can survive outside the womb. Now, are you really going to say that you're okay, you don't think it's morally wrong for that child to be killed, irrespective of the fact that that child could live right now on the other side of about two inches of flesh?

@nietzsche258918Are you really going to say that? No, I'm not going to say that. So you just think it's morally wrong to kill that child?

@mattlagosIf that's a viable pregnancy, yes, that child should be allowed to be born, and then...

Speaker 33Okay, no, no, define viable. I hate this, I hate this single battle.

@nietzsche258918No, no, no, we're not going there yet. We're not going there yet. The point is... You just broke your own rule. No, hold on. You said that if it's a woman, because it's a woman and you're not one, you can't make a judgment. Now you just did make a judgment. And both instances, remember, took into consideration a child.

@nietzsche258918Do you know how? Well, Honey Badger suspiciously injected, and that was very sneaky, the idea of pregnancy, which implies a child. So you can't really, now you've contradicted yourself because the first time you said it's because you can't come down at all on it. Not because it's right or wrong, but because you're not a woman.

@nietzsche258918And now you're not a woman and you did come down on it.

@mattlagosDavid, you were asking me to answer a hypothetical and I answered it for you.

@nietzsche258918Yes, both of them. Honey Badger gave you a hypothetical. When she says, are you against abortion? The hypothetical is that someone is having a baby. Someone's pregnant with a child.

@mattlagosBut she didn't have specifics. She didn't have specifics.

@joann_marieAlso, Matt, what you were saying about the bounty and all of those things is not real.

@mattlagosAre you a lawyer in Texas?

@joann_marieNo, the Texas government does not pay anyone for turning someone into for abortion. The perception of cash rewards stems from the civil bounty laws that allow private citizens to file lawsuits not from direct government payouts. Well, the government is enabling health care services. He's lying. He's literally lying. Anyway, I don't think anybody should be allowed to have abortions.

@joann_marieI don't think anyone should be allowed to keep babies.

@mattlagosAll right, so let's circle back to where we started this, which is about genocide.

Speaker 33Yeah, okay, let's talk about that. 100 million people missing from the United States because apparently you think... No, no, no, the genocide in Gaza. But you're questioning what is a viable way.

@nietzsche258918Honey Badger, let's go back to the genocide in Gaza. Go ahead.

@mattlagosOkay. It is unconscionable the way that Israel is bombing...

@nietzsche258918Wait, you just called it a genocide in Gaza, so you agree now?

@mattlagosYes, you've convinced me with some education and some, you know, sourcing and some... Look, guys, I live in Texas. The news sources I get don't report this on a daily basis.

@nietzsche258918All right, let me ask you this, though. Thank you for that, okay? All right. So, it is a genocide in Gaza committed by who?

@mattlagosBy the far right... I don't know if you noticed, but their government is suspiciously located right there in Israel.

@nietzsche258918So you're saying that the government of Israel, you're agreeing with me, the government of Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza, right? Yes, I am. Okay, alright, proceed. Okay.

@mattlagosNow, the reason I can say that is, first of all, I want to thank y'all for, you know, I'm willing to, when I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. Or when I'm fence-sitting, I'm willing to admit when I'm fence-sitting. You're right. It's so funny. I said this to somebody earlier today. If you don't stand for anything, you'll fall.

@mattlagosI'm sorry. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Was that a note to self? It is a note to self. It's a reminder. And that's what happens with these crooked politicians who go to DC and run a good campaign and talk a lot of happy talk about how they're going to stop the genocide in Gaza or they're going to stop all the atrocities around the world.

@mattlagosAnd then they get to DC and they're lobbyists from Boeing and Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman and all the defense contractors come in and throw money at them. And then all of a sudden, they're not singing that tune anymore.

@nietzsche258918But how many politicians right now have started out calling it a genocide in Gaza and then stopped?

@mattlagosIt's not popular, so it's probably not very many.

@nietzsche258918Right.

@mattlagosMaybe Bernie Sanders, perhaps.

@nietzsche258918Bernie Sanders hasn't changed his tune at all in Gaza. So here's my question for you. So the problem, we can't say the problem is... And I'm italicizing this, the Jews, because we have lots of Jewish brothers and sisters who agree with us that it's a genocide in Gaza. And we can't just say it's Israel because they couldn't do it without having power over America, including Americans like Larry Ellison.

@nietzsche258918But that comes from having power over American politicians. So, given that they own most of the media... And they own the big megaphone of our society. And given that they have bought all of our politicians, we can see this clearly, and they're making these humiliation rituals to Israel. Don't you agree with me that the number one problem is Jewish supremacy, that that's it?

@mattlagosYeah, I mean, yeah, I think Larry Ellison and some of the big donors in New York and... They're writing big checks.

@nietzsche258918And also, they view themselves, and we've had people come in here that are Jewish saying this, they said, we act as a family, like a mafia family, not his words, mine, like a mafia family, and they practice out-group psychopathy, and clearly they've been doing it for a very long time, and it comes at our expense, and to their betterment and benefit, and here we see through what Charlie Kirk...

@nietzsche258918A blackmail operation through the Epstein class having been run against American politicians in order to get them to sign on to exterminating children in Gaza. So that would obviously indicate that Jewish supremacy is the problem that plagues us most. Wouldn't you agree?

@mattlagosI think we need to reevaluate our relationship with Netanyahu, with the far-right government.

@nietzsche258918But it wouldn't be just that. If we don't call out Jewish supremacy, they can shapeshift, right? Because 90% of all the Jews that live in the world live in either Israel or America. You understand this, right? Yes, I do. Okay, so given that's the case, and given they have so much power over our financial systems, our megaphones, given the fact that they have been actively supporting and obfuscating and running cover for this genocide, for this control, this dominion over us, it's not enough just to call out Israel, is it?

@nietzsche258918We have to call out Jewish supremacy. The system, yes. No, no, not the system, Jewish supremacy.

@mattlagosOkay, that's Jewish supremacy. That's the language you want to go with? That's fine.

@nietzsche258918Do you agree?

@mattlagosI need more information. I really do. And I would be doing myself a disservice if I just heard everything here today and just took it as, well, they said it, so that must be it.

Speaker 34Why can't you just say every life has merit? Every life has merit.

@nietzsche258918But anyway, yes. Well, good. Listen, I appreciate where you are, and I don't want to... I don't want to drag you down reason road too far here.

@mattlagosNo, no, no. I'm willing, David, I'm willing to learn.

@nietzsche258918And I will tell you one great way to learn. One is, if you go to Ian Malcolm's timeline, you'll see a lot of information around that. And he's always, you know, it's always loving and obviously we renounce all supremacy, by the way, not just Jewish supremacy. That just happens to be the problem. If you look at the top 20 things that plague Western civilization, that went out

@nietzsche258918All right, let me just say this and then I'll go back to listening to the space.

@mattlagosI need to go back to reevaluate some of the news sources I get. And I think it would be helpful that I go back to regularly watching and listening to the PBS NewsHour because Amna Nawaz, who has a very balanced take on the Israel-Palestine war, or the Israeli-Gaza war, she has a very balanced take. And I encourage all of you to support PBS NewsHour and PBS because...

@mattlagosThey're not owned by corporate interests. Yes, they do have corporate sponsors.

Speaker 34Yeah, they are. They totally are.

@mattlagosBut they're mostly funded by viewers like you.

@nietzsche258918But I will just tell you this, Matt, that it's not a war. If you look and you see one side is leveled and it's a 10 to 1 and it's mass extermination and you just basically have people in a concentration camp and you're torturing them year after year, decade after decade. By the way, mind you, Mind you, Benjamin Netanyahu's name is Malachowski, and I actually have, as a Western Civ guy, and these people really are Western Civ, I have more in common with those people, as far as what they know and how they're acculturated.

@nietzsche258918Less in common with the Palestinians, but it's just who's right and who's wrong, who's evil and who's good, and this mass extermination, it's a gentle euphemism, my friend, to call this a war. They're simply torturing these people, and it's got to stop.

@mattlagosAnd you're right, because you don't see bombs going into Tel Aviv.

@mattlagosI mean, I don't see rockets from Hamas or Hezbollah going into Tel Aviv.

@nietzsche258918And you're also seeing them do the same thing now in Lebanon. And now, of course, the United States' primary strategy in Iran is just committing war crimes. That's it. Bombing major facilities where people get their drinking water. If you bomb an electric plant, that shuts down all of the hospitals. I mean, this is all just pure evil and it's being done in the name of what?

@nietzsche258918Jewish supremacy. It might be uncomfortable for you to call it out at first, but when you find that there are Jewish brothers and sisters that join you, they'll realize that you're just joining the fraternity of humans when you renounce any kind of...

@mattlagosSo what you're saying, there's strength in numbers. Just be honest and tell people what you think.

@nietzsche258918There's strength in truth.

@mattlagosStrength in truth.

@malleusigThere's strength in truth. No, there isn't. It isn't about the numbers. It isn't about the numbers, Matt. It's about being on the right side of history. And the, well, I mean, again, you sound like a pretty reasonable guy. Thank you. No, I'm not. You're not like the schizophrenic.

@mattlagosNo, I'm not. My mom is very intelligent.

@malleusigNo, but you're not like the schizophrenic Israeli right-wing as they come into these spaces either. You seem like you actually can be talked with. But the, and again, this is, I'm going to frame this in a pro-Jewish way. Okay. Because... Both sides, whether you're trying to attack Jews or you're trying to defend them from the folly of their own horrible choices, it gets you labeled an anti-Semite either way anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

@malleusigBut what I'm going to say is when it comes to something like this, when Jews in Israel and Jewish government in Israel and Jewish interests in our media and our government, when they begin acting not like the Nazis, they act actually worse. When they start acting like The Hollywood representation of Nazis that Jews created specifically to get us to hate Nazis, and then they begin surpassing it, you are going to have an end result, inevitably, of people not only coming out against what's happening now, but you're going to have people ask themselves, wait a minute, were the Nazis actually really that bad?

@malleusigOh, no. They're lying about us now. They really say that? Were they really that bad? No, they will. They will. Because, Matt, what's happening is we're seeing the people that we told never lie about anything have already admittedly lied to us about 40 beer head babies, babies on clothes strings, infants ripped out of their mother's wombs.

@malleusigBabies put into ovens and then they turned on the oven. That's the guy from Sockers. Oh, good Lord.

@joann_marieAnd the Jews actually did that to Palestinians in the Nakba.

@malleusigThey did. They literally just went through the notes from the Nakba. But like this is put out as justification to genocide 600, it's got to be at least 700,000 now, to genocide 700K people in their beds, in their hospitals, with what does seem to be a preferential targeting mechanism for healthcare workers, journalists the very young.

@malleusigWe have mass graves filled with healthcare workers and in many cases children with their hands tied behind their backs and dirt in their lungs indicating they were alive when they were buried. We have got cases where the IDF has killed health workers and then buried the health workers and their ambulance to hide the evidence of the crime and then lied that they were attacked and defended themselves.

@malleusigSo you can only have a certain people, a certain group of people lie to our faces repeatedly and consistently for profit, for political, financial, ideological profit, before you begin to ask yourself, wait, Did they do this at any time in the past? And what's going to happen, because I know it's happening a lot with my friends, it may or may not be happening with me, I'll plead the fifth on that one, what's going to happen is people are going to say to themselves, you know, wait a minute, there are a lot of inconsistencies with the story that I was told about the 1930s, but I kept my mouth shut because it was wildly unpopular to ask questions about.

@mattlagosI'm going to leave you with this last...

@malleusigIt's no longer that unpopular.

@mattlagosI'm going to leave you with a quote and then I have to get off the phone. I believe in speaking truth to power. Let justice be done, though the heavens fall. He speaks the truth. My loyalty is to the truth. If you follow my Instagram, which has 725,000 followers,

@mattlagosand on Facebook. I don't have as many on Twitter or X because the algorithms don't want my message getting out, I suspect. But my loyalty is to the truth and I thank you all for because I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong or when I don't know how all the facts and so it's up to me now to go out and get more educated on this issue because you guys have shed a light on a perspective that I was not aware of.

@joann_marieI'm really happy for you, Matt. I posted in the Purple Pill, really quick, Rabbi, I posted in the Purple Pill a really cool documentary called Europa de la Sparrow, and I tagged you under it. I hope you watch it, and you'll see a lot of what's going on and what led us to here. Thank you for coming, Matt.

@mattlagosNo, thanks, David, and thank you for challenging me. I can take it, so thank you. Good night, y'all.

@malleusigThanks a lot, Matt. I give you a follow, too. And for knowing the English saying, Fiat justitia et ruat calum, gets you points in my book. You're welcome. Thank you, guys. Good night.

@joann_marieThat is a lot of coincidences with the JFK movie, also. You should look into it. Yeah, look who Arnold Milchan is. Anyway. Yeah, thank you for coming up, Matt. Nice to meet you. All right. And guys, please repost this page. Follow Ian and David and Mandy and Rabbi and Official and everybody up here. And also bookmark it.

@joann_marieIt helps a lot with the algorithm. All right. Official, you haven't spoken yet. Go for it.

Speaker 1Thank you, JoAnn. Hello, everybody. Hope everyone's having a great, wonderful day, except for this highness. Is our guy up? Is he still up here? Matt? Mark? Is he gone? All right. I just want to share some numbers with you guys. So at the height of the genocide, and hey, Honey Badger, how you doing? She was up here. Mandy, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 1At the height of the genocide, obviously, Ian Malcolm's my brother, Ian. I don't want to miss anybody here. But at the height of the genocide, there's estimates that Israel was killing at least 31 Palestinians a day, right? So that's, no, I'm sorry, not 31 a day, 31 an hour. 31 a day, that sounds great. Then it would be a lot less deaths, but 31 an hour.

Speaker 1So on average at the height, I mean, this is like when they're going full balls to the wall, just slaughtering people, right? At the height of it, you're talking about 31 Palestinians an hour, right? At least in 2024. So let's do the math. If you do the math, 31 an hour times 24 is 744. And if you do that times, that's every 24 hours.

Speaker 1So if you do that times 365, because it's 52 24s in a year,

Speaker 1You get $271,560. Literally. So that's just a year. So in two years, you double that amount. Where is it? I had it written down somewhere. It would be, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So $543,120. So if you do that one more time, right? And that's two years. Do that one more time and spend three years. You're looking at 814,680.

Speaker 1That's at most, and at very least, at least half a million, right? So this 73,000 number, it really gets, it really grinds my gears when I hear people say, oh, 71, 70,000, 70,000, 70,000. Bro, we know hundreds upon hundreds of Palestinians have been slaughtered since October 8th up until now, right? So... You got a bunch of Christians, dumbasses, who always say, oh, what about the Christians in Nigeria, right?

Speaker 1What about the Christians in Nigeria? In the last three years, 12,000 Christians in Nigeria have been targeted by Boko Haram, right? 12,000. In the last 10 years, 52,000. But they say that's a genocide, but what's happening in Gaza isn't a genocide, right? These people are fucking full of it, man. So, I don't know, bro.

Speaker 1That's all I wanted to say. I just wanted to share those numbers, bro. You know, at least, at least, at least half a million Palestinians have been killed throughout this Holocaust. It's a real-life Holocaust that we are witnessing. So for anybody to fucking want to hesitate when you ask them, is it a genocide? Get them the fuck out of here, man.

Speaker 1It's Israel News Pulse. Oh yeah, bring that page up. Yeah, bring them up here.

@nietzsche258918But I do want to thank Official. I really enjoyed what you had to say there, my friend.

Speaker 1Sometimes all you got to do is do the math, right? Women lie, men lie, and Jews for sure lie, but numbers don't lie.

@joann_marieThank you, Official. Yeah, go for it.

Speaker 27Yeah, this last guy, Matt, we had on, he reminds me a lot of some of my family members I have as an American. a lot of my family members are very much they they're just ignorant of a lot of the facts on the ground they're brainwashed by the media into dehumanizing and otherizing an entire group of people and a lot of this is the post 9 11 kind of dehumanization animalization of of entire groups of people including children and healthcare workers and all that and it it is it is

Speaker 27Every accusation is a confession in a way. But I do think we did a lot. There was a lot of progress. And I think by opening the approach you guys had was just phenomenal. And I think this is how we reach people. And thank you guys for that.

@nietzsche258918Well, absolutely. And, you know, our patience and kindness is sort of implied in what you've just said. People have essentially cradled the grave indoctrination. But the beautiful thing about it is that Truth trumps lies when they collide with one another. One I've sometimes compared to one is like an empty shell and one of them is just a rock, which is the truth.

@nietzsche258918And it just shatters the empty shell. So I think, but I do think it does require a sort of patience. I don't try to do an all at one time thing sometimes because then the person is inclined to go away and think a little bit and especially with someone as reasonably intelligent as that young man. He thinks about it more when he's not around and then comes back and, oh, you know, I looked into this and I heard an alternative point of view and saw the holes in it.

@nietzsche258918And it's a beautiful thing to see, but it does require, you know, with all of the propaganda around us and all of the intimidation, by the way, and all of the sort of moralization on a false sense. So, yeah, I think the way that we engage has to be, unfortunately, and Surgical.

@nietzsche258918That's a really interesting point because I've noticed, you know, when I was in diligence spaces and he's just a citizen journalist following the facts, people would just bring up Candace Owens. And I'd be like, wait, how? I don't think she owns the facts, does she? I mean, you know, right? And so it's an odd thing when you want to personify a point of view rather than simply address the facts and that tells you something.

@nietzsche258918I think this is something universally that we're going to see. As we're going to see them try to attack the person, which is, by the way, the definition of an ad hominem, right? Rather than address the facts, why would they do that? Because the facts aren't working out.

@malleusigYeah, I've always had a clear bias against talking about people and for talking about facts. And whenever I see someone using a discussion about a person to occlude or overpower a discussion about facts, My alarm bells go off. And they went off big time for this one.

@nietzsche258918And she did a good job of remaining calm because of course they want to put you on the defensive. Just don't go there. Don't get on the defensive. Just keep coming back to the fact. Yeah, just don't let yourself... Just make it about the fact. She did... And when someone... She did an excellent job. And when someone impugns your motives, that's also ad hominem because let's not forget an ad hominem is an attack on the person or their motives.

@nietzsche258918When they do that, I'll respond, well, let's just assume that I have reason from the bowels of hell to tell you what I'm telling you, and I have the worst motives possible. Isn't all of your work ahead of you to tell me whether what I said is true or false? Can the truth itself be evil?

@malleusigYeah, it can't. And that's what people don't get. And this is, again, this is when you get in discussions about race, the main argument people have is, it's like, well, that's technically true, but people use it in a racist way. and at that point they've lost me. It's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if people use it in a racist or sexist or bigoted way.

@malleusigIt doesn't make it any less true, which means you still have to contend with it.

@joann_marieThank you, Rabbi. All right, let's go to a couple of more people.

@joann_marieYou've been doing an excellent job today, David. I'm really happy that you're here to host it with us.

@nietzsche258918Well, I did conspire with Ian because a spontaneous Ian Malcolm space is better than a long-range planned one of other spaces.

@joann_marieI love it.

@malleusigI just want to plug the clip that I found in from Forbidden HQ in the Gemotron, if you haven't seen it. It is hilarious.

@malleusigJust check it out.

@joann_marieWe're going to have a space with him in a month on something. Mandy helped us set it up, and it's going to be awesome. So thank you so much, Mandy.

@malleusigThe memes that are coming out of this, it hasn't even been 24 hours yet. The memes that are coming out of this debate are absolutely glorious. um the one the babylon bb the one about paving over the crime scene was absolutely there's one with a feet and like 10 cigarettes and like full of patches it's also hilarious yeah it's amazing absolutely isn't it crazy how we're like taking them down with the internet memes it's it's just wild to me it's it's it's the power of the truth because the thing is that everyone the truth the truth doesn't have to pay anyone to to to spread it

@malleusigThe Truth basically is an entirely volunteer supported operation because everybody wants to get the truth out. If you're not a psychopath, you have an urge to speak the truth and get the truth out. And everyone knows there's no money in it. We just do it because it's the truth. There's only money in lies because the truth is just there.

@malleusigThere's no money in selling oxygen to people because it's just around you all the time. The only money is in lies because it takes someone who's skilled and motivated and is ready to give something up of themselves to try and pass off a lie as a truth. And that's why you have to compensate for it. You have to compensate them for it.

Speaker 35100%. I can agree more. Going into this debate, I actually went ahead and... I've got a list of all the logical fallacies that are out there that are oftentimes used in debates, especially when you have to defend a point that is not very honest. If you have to defend a lie, you generally have to start resorting to debate tricks.

Speaker 35And I was just waiting to see who's going to use more debate tricks, who's going to use more logical fallacies. This is a great idea for anyone that wants to make a banger clip about the debate. A lot of people were trying to say that Candace is making a mistake doing this, it's going to be bad for her, this and that, they're not sure.

Speaker 35It couldn't have went better for her. I was counting the logical fallacies. It was insane. He hit every logical fallacy that I had prepared ahead of the debate. I had AI be like, yo, try to figure out the exact kind of things he might say if he starts using logical fallacies. Try to figure out the kind of things she might say if she uses logical fallacies.

Speaker 35She didn't hit any of them. He hit every single fucking one. It was unreal. So if you want to objectively see who won the debate, right? Because at the end of the day, everyone who agrees with Wilson is going to be saying Wilson won. Everyone who agrees with Candace is going to say Candace won. But if you want to be objective about it...

Speaker 35Truth does not need lies. Truth does not need debate tricks, logical fallacies, none of that shit. It stands for itself, right? So that's why I wasn't worried at all. I was like, the truth is on Candace's side from everything I've seen. And so I expect that she's going to smash this debate. She absolutely did. You could make a video where you just start counting how many logical fallacies do they resort to.

Speaker 35And the counter is going to go through the roof for Andrew Wilson. It's not even close. So, yeah, just whoever wants to make a banger clip like that, if you don't do it, I'll do it myself. But I believe that's a great idea. It's a good way to judge the debate.

@malleusigNo, you should. That's something that's really, you need to have a counter in the corner of the screen that just lights up every fallacy and keeps it running total.

@joann_marieBeautiful. Thank you so much, format. All right. Let's have a couple of more people up. And Ian, if you want to keep running or, I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to David. David, welcome.

Speaker 36Hi. Thank you for having me up here. I just wanted to make a point. If you sat objectively through that whole entire debate, the Candice and Andrew one, Even if you really were on Andrew's side, I know he's supposed to be a great debater, but he totally flopped the very end conclusion, the closing statement. Because it's almost as if he forgot he was trying to win over the audience and not trying to just win over, I don't know, PBD, I guess.

Speaker 36Because it was just a blatant kind of disregard to the whole thing. It was like, oh, she had nothing. And then when it got to her, she had the last closing statement, she was pretty gracious. And I thought that was a nice little tip of the hat. And so even if you sat through the whole debate and you're like, no, Andrew's arguments were so much better, the inflection that came from the closing statement should have pushed you to another side just on that alone, that she actually kind of cared about the concept of the debate, whereas Andrew just kind of cared about winning.

Speaker 36And I tried to look at the whole debate. Pretty objectively, I'm not really pulled to one side, but I don't really like being pigeonholed into one side, so I'm always trying to put myself on the other side. Why they think the way they thought. And that closing statement, I know [guest], you didn't get to hear it yet, but the closing statement was kind of a coffin nail for Andrew, unfortunately.

Speaker 35Yeah, whenever he was pressed on any actual facts, he had to... Admit essentially that he doesn't know shit, right? For example, the one time they mentioned the John Bray evidence, right? The level of cope coming from this comment he made, if I don't slow it down, I don't see the shirt move, right? That's almost word for word what he said.

Speaker 35If I don't slow it down, I don't see it move. This is your level of argument to win the debate? Get out of here. What was the other thing? Oh, I just, I love, my favorite part is how the whole time he's getting help from like a whole team of Clippers and whatever. And then he notices that Candice looked at her phone for a second and goes, hey, I think you're getting help on your phone.

Speaker 35She gives the phone to PBD. He checks it. He wasn't getting help at all. The level of projection is unreal. It was beautiful to watch. I love it.

@joann_marieI haven't seen the last part either, but thank you so much for those comments and I cannot wait to watch it.

@nietzsche258918I think the biggest lesson here is that only fans, girls, don't make for good sparring partners.

@joann_marieIt was a really big lesson that Andrew learned today.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, it doesn't really help you for the big boxing match. You didn't train right.

@joann_marieI think Andrew's going to be like, but wait, how did I lose?

@malleusigI trained against like 30 OnlyFans thoughts. Right, I thought I had chops.

Speaker 36How did I lose this? Let's give Andrew a few flowers, though. He is the only one who has debated Candace. Like, he's the only one. For 300 grand.

@malleusigI don't know if that's actually true. Well, the only renowned. Again, well, he's either the only one or the first. You know what I mean? It's not like there's something preventing this from happening. Candace has like a syndicated...

@nietzsche258918Didn't Nick Fuentes and Candace debate?

Speaker 36Not on this topic strictly. Wait, hold on now. You're making two different points now. But that wasn't what you said. Oh, no, no, I don't mean that if she's never talked about this conversation with somebody who might push back.

@nietzsche258918Are you implying that she hasn't debated anyone?

Speaker 36No, no, I'm saying, well, no, I'm not, obviously she debates, that's a dumb implication. I'm saying as far as like, so again, I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of somebody I'm not. And so, to give Andrew the benefit of the doubt, he's kind of going into a bit of, He was right about the lion's den, but not because Candace is a good debater.

Speaker 36It's because he kind of went in with nothing. He didn't have any ammo. And so as far as her debating strictly the Charlie Kerfing... Wait, hold on.

@nietzsche258918When you say going in with nothing, no ammo, why not the truth? Isn't that ammo?

Speaker 36He's an idiot. He didn't have any of that. He's an idiot, yes. So that's what I'm saying. He had no ammo. He was going in on a whim. He basically, I mean, you saw the whole, the text debate. He was like, well, we're just going to argue your claims because her claims are quote unquote outlandish. When really her claims are just like, well, if you look at everything, it seems to implicate that there's some shenanigans about that.

Speaker 36I mean, that was her entire argument. It's like, how do you have, you have to have reasonable doubt and there's tons of it. and so he really was going up against it and I think that's why no one's really sat down with like a four hour debate going well I'll debate Candace because there's no way to argue the fact that there isn't shenanigans like the shenanigans aren't right in front of your face and I think they're there on purpose but that's regardless of the fact that he did do it now it was an idiotic move on his part but he did do it and so that's I mean he either did it out of idiocracy he's just an idiot or he did it you know

Speaker 36I'm just saying, give it to him. Ben Shapiro hasn't sat down with Candace. PBD didn't sit down and argue with Candace.

Speaker 35Yeah, I'd say good for him, but that looks even worse for TPUSA, right? Because the only one she has really... That is the first debate she's done with anyone regarding the Charlie Kirk issue. And it's a fucking random influencer that never worked for TPUSA before, was just recently hired to train them how to debate and use debate trucks.

@joann_marieAnd he called Erika Kirk retarded. Like, he's not helping TPUSA at all, bro.

@malleusigI can't believe anyone is paying this guy to train anyone on how to debate.

Speaker 35For real, I mean, of all the people, the guy that crashes out on, like, random, like... OnlyFans, Hoes, and whatever libs that don't have any good arguments to make. That's your go-to. It's crazy. But the fact still stands. This is going to be, every day from now on, it's going to be more and more embarrassing for TPUSA because they only sent out this one clown to debate her.

Speaker 35What about the rest of the people? The rest of the people at the TPUSA that should know all about this, right? If they have the truth on their side, they should... It should be just left and right coming out of their mouth every time they talk about it. They know all the little details of this case. They could debate her, but they don't, right?

Speaker 35Exact opposite of what Charlie ever did.

@joann_marieBecause the truth is not on their side. They are never going to be able to defend their bullshit.

Speaker 35It's going to be real embarrassing.

@malleusigYeah.

@malleusigI just can't believe that TPUSA hired this man to teach grown adults how to debate, and I really hope that the $300K didn't come out in advance on his salary, because they're not going to renew his contract.

Speaker 36I agree. The real tragedy of this is there was really only one person who could have done well at this debate, and that was Charlie. He would have done a better job.

@nietzsche258918Yes, he would have said, it wasn't him, Israel tried to, you're right, I agree. Because he said it before he died. I think Israel's going to take me out.

@malleusigYeah, and the saddest thing is that we're even having this discussion because I think the world is better off with Charlie in it. And we get caught up in this debate over who killed him and I think that he was a legitimate force for good, and the world is worse off without him.

Speaker 35Yeah, I felt shame when I found out his changing views only after he died. I was like, damn, dude, I was kind of thinking he's just selling us Fed slop the whole time, and then no, for the last two years. I thought the interesting stat... Not stats so much, but interesting timing that I had no idea about for the longest time that maybe some of you are not aware of.

Speaker 35His comment about October 7th being an inside job or being allowed, whatever, about there being a stand down order. Do you guys know when he made that comment?

Speaker 36It was on PBD. Yes, it was on PBD. Yeah, it was on PBD. A couple days after October 7th.

Speaker 35Yeah, but yeah, it was right after October 7th, right? Because a lot of people think that might have happened later. I assumed that that might have been like maybe, I don't know, like a year down the line or something. At first, I was just like thinking, you know, if Charlie's doing like this, like limited hangout type deal where he's like, OK, it's like it's too embarrassing not to talk about it.

Speaker 35It's too obvious there was a stand down order. I have to say something about it. Otherwise, people will destroy me. And in debates. So I have to tell you the truth, finally, right? That's not at all the case. This wasn't like a Johnny-come-lately type deal. He said this, so the PBD podcast came out October 12th. That's five days after October 7th.

Speaker 35It was recorded sometime between October 10th and 11th, either evening of October 10th or morning of October 11th. So this is three to four days after this happens. He is not waiting around for the people to force the hand and make him say it. He was pushing the envelope. That to me is one of the biggest signs that Charlie was leaving the farm.

Speaker 35I genuinely believe there was a massive change in him. And that was one of the clearest examples of that.

Speaker 36I agree. I have a question for the panel, if you guys don't mind. You cool with me asking a question?

@joann_marieSure, go for it.

Speaker 36All right, there's a few people, quote-unquote influencers, that are out there that are arguing against it. Like they're saying, you know, Candace had faults and she didn't come with any evidence and stuff like that. You know, positive evidence is what they call it. Do you think... Obviously, not all these people are paid.

Speaker 36The one in particular I'm thinking about is Viva Fry. Crowder's off the board. I listened to his commentary, and it was extremely biased. And I noticed a few comments he made. He would be like, well, she's wrong about this, and here's a bunch of reasons why she's a terrible person. You're like, all right, well, again, it's the same thing [guest] just brought up.

Speaker 36You bring up something that she might have been off about, and then you conclude it with some... Some issues that you have with her about being a person. But like Viva Frye, who's a lawyer from the best of my ability to know, I don't think he's being paid. What do you think is motivating these people? Do you think it's not an essence of truth?

Speaker 36Because suspicion is obviously there. Like everyone should be somewhat suspicious of the government after COVID. And him including. Why put your chips all in on one side? And it doesn't seem like he's... He's doing it on purpose, but slightly reluctantly, trying to play the devil's advocate. Do you think all of these people are paid?

Speaker 36Or do you think some people are just, um, is it just politics?

@nietzsche258918The devil doesn't need advocates. He owns all the attorneys, so don't know why anybody would take that job. Pro bono, but I will tell you this. I do think ideology is a truth inhibitor, and people that have been wedded to Zionism or have been... I said this about Jewish supremacy, that once you get to the bottom of the rabbit hole and find it, you either spend the rest of your life denying it, or you simply call it out and acknowledge it.

@nietzsche258918And it takes a lot of mental effort. You have to be morally flexible as well to avoid that truth for the rest of your life. And some of them just, I mean, the power structure... wants you to support Jewish supremacism. The power structure wants you to not ask, who were those dancing Israelis? Or why did Jack Rubinstein, aka Jack Ruby, say, I did it for Israel?

@nietzsche258918Or why is it that every Zionist on the planet and Israel and the whole power structure and some level of the CIA is so invested in Tyler Robinson being not only found guilty, But unlike John Wilkes Booth, being found singularly guilty and associated with no one else whatsoever. Why is that the case? Well, I think there's a strong inclination among some people even that aren't paid to defend that point.

@nietzsche258918You know, I noticed that in citizen journalist spaces like Diligence, there are MAGA people that do this, but over time, even they start to see and start to acknowledge. But I'm not sure that if someone is sort of You know, a bigger influencer, someone who is more known in the public sphere. I don't know if they're willing to do that the same, because that's a commitment that you cannot unring that bell when you do it.

@nietzsche258918You draw attention from yourself by pure ability, and some people just don't have the courage to do that. Shakespeare's Caesar was right. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but once, and these people probably live in fear. What did Andrew say? 70%?

Speaker 36I agree 70%. I think some people are built the ideology of just the status quo in general. Like if you were to take flat earthers, like I've never had a long conversation about a flat earther, but if I had a long conversation about somebody who studied that, I'm sure I would fall down the same rabbit hole. But at some point in time, I go, well, it obviously is not.

@nietzsche258918Wait, you think you would become a flat earther if you hung around flat earthers?

Speaker 36Oh, yeah.

@nietzsche258918Really? Wow, you're really, you're really impressionable. I mean, I'm standing on the edge of the earth and I see nothing when I look down, so. But no, I'm surprised that you would say that. You're literally saying that by propinquity or by being around people, you're just going to fall for whatever it is they believe.

@nietzsche258918It seems like an odd thing to say.

Speaker 36No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't underestimate my own arrogance, nor my own fallibility. And so I understand the fact that there are things that maybe I could fall for. I fell for stupider things. I'll say that. I don't know if people are going to fall into the JQ thing, even if they look into it, because there's an aspect of, I don't know, maybe individualism, maybe it's status quo.

Speaker 36Maybe it seems so outlandish at the time, even if you look into history, you're like, well, it does seem like they all have a similar last name.

Speaker 32I think people are scared.

Speaker 36Well, I don't necessarily think it's scared. I think people have a natural guard to avoid... Any collective idea that it might be an ideology.

@nietzsche258918Let me ask you this. Do you think when Charlie Kirk started out that you could qualify him as a Zionist?

Speaker 13Absolutely.

@nietzsche258918Okay. Well, here's an example. Here's someone that had everything to gain to sticking with that narrative. And he was steeped in Christian Zionism, which of course is an oxymoron, but irrespective of that, he was obviously steeped in it, believed it, preached it. But by listening to people, by listening to both sides, and seeing the spark that comes from the clash of ideas, and then deciding with his own discernment, he evolved away from the spurious idea of Christian Zionism.

@nietzsche258918Even though he turned down, we know for a fact that he turned down an absolute truckload of money. In exchange for not talking to Tucker Carlson, not talking to Dave Smith, that sort of thing. And yet he turned it down. So if Charlie Kirk can do it, I think that it should inspire you. I think that should make you think, well, gosh, I have a little more hope for mankind.

@nietzsche258918The only caveat would be if the rest of us stop talking because it can't just be the Tucker Carlsons. It can't just be the Dave Smiths. Even those people know. That we're starting to catch on as well. Otherwise, they'd be talking to empty rooms. Doesn't that make sense?

Speaker 36No, it totally does. I think, but again, if I look at Charlie Kirk's past and the things that he said, it seems like the thing that pushed him over the edge was that they live up to their stereotypes. He started being bullied when he started to ask questions. And so it wasn't so much that he looked at history and that what...

Speaker 36J.Q. Rao

Speaker 36I think the idea that people trying to hold on to a reality and ease their way into...

Speaker 36I don't mind questioning my own presumptions. And I think that's a good thing. I think people constantly, you know, questioning their own presumptions leads them to truth the best. And so I would hate for people to be like, oh my God, look at this Epstein thing is Mossad. All Jews are terrible.

Speaker 36We're like, oh, that's dumb. That's a dumb presumption, and I would hate for anybody to do that.

@nietzsche258918Well, I will tell you this, and I appreciate what you're saying, my friend. In philosophy, the toughest challenge is in the fundamentals, because you have to go back and basically think about every fundamental, even the so-called axioms, which is why Descartes said, well, what can I doubt? And he decided that it's his own.

@nietzsche258918He said, I think, therefore, I am, because in the act of doubting, it's an act of consciousness. and Amness, if we can put it that way. So I respectfully suggest you and everybody else do the same. Go back to the most fundamental things and ask yourself, is this really true? And then, of course, the people that are telling you not to ask and not to think, well, you know that you're on the right track when you're offending people that are...

@nietzsche258918Right now, as we're in the midst of this great awakening, is a giant tsunami wave that is about to fall on top of the people that are denying it, and that ain't us.

@joann_marieAnd really quick, David, so there is something called minority rules, that is, when scientists discover the tipping point where the spread of ideas. When 10% of the population holds the unshakable belief, Thank you so much for joining us.

@joann_marieIn this moment right now, I remember being like, oh my God, we haven't gotten a win. We have zero wins, like zero wins. Nobody's talking about this. The genocide is going on. Nobody's like, and look at it now. So it will get better. And I think people are just going to realize what is actually happening. In a couple of years, we're going to see the...

@joann_marieA massive difference. I already see it, but it will be a lot bigger.

@nietzsche258918And the number of people that are calling out Jewish supremacy and the idea that now it's inspiring some Jewish brothers and sisters to do the same. It's just a wonderful thing because, as you've heard me say before, JoAnn, Karl Marx was wrong. The story of history is not defined by a struggle between classes, but by a struggle between those who wish to enslave and those who wish to be free.

@nietzsche258918And the world... After emancipation from this absolute terrible, terrible plague that obviously is undermining all of Western civilization, it's much better than people can imagine. You know, you shouldn't be working for more than 20 hours a week. You shouldn't be living in a world where you're being censored and where you're supposed to be afraid.

@nietzsche258918You shouldn't be living in a world that's run by absolute psychopathic warmongers where they never... As Julian Assange said, the purpose is to keep the wars going. But think about that. That means that the people that they are killing, they are laundering their money, not in the old-fashioned way. Now they're laundering it in blood.

@nietzsche258918So the future is a thousand times brighter once we overcome Jewish supremacy. And I think it's even brighter for the best of our Jewish brothers and sisters who will, of course, have a power and a say in that society or that culture that they don't now.

@joann_marieThat's beautiful, David. And also, White Pill, Gen Z has nothing to lose. They literally made it impossible for them. Like, they are fucked, fucked. And they are just seeing what it's like. And because they cannot terrorize them, like, well, we're gonna freeze your bank account. It's like, okay, bro, like, it's in zero.

@joann_marieLike, what are you, like... So, yeah, and Gen Z are absolutely brilliant. So, yeah. All right, let's go to shut it down and then hover. And I don't know where Ian is. Did we just lose Ian?

@nietzsche258918Is he just...

@joann_marieI don't know. I'll tell you what, I'll bring the screamer back.

@nietzsche258918Remember this guy that was screaming at all of us? I'll bring that guy back. No, please don't.

Speaker 35Wait, wait, guys, just before we switch topics, I just want to respond to what the two of you just said. I can agree more with what JoAnn said and David just said, all of their points, especially the point about the 10%. I mean, if you guys need some hope that the future can look better, the 10% rule, right? I heard it be like the 13%, 12%, whatever, 10%.

Speaker 35But it's true. Once you reach this critical mass of only 10%, Everyone else realizes it. You don't need to reach 50% of the population to start voting. You just need a measly 10% to figure out what the truth is, what consistent principles are. And just to speak on the point of the JQ question, there's a lot of people in the JQ spaces who think that we're just going to solve all our problems by who's out or whatever.

Speaker 35It's not.

Speaker 35All the Jews out of your country, you think the banking system is not going to figure out that they can charge you interest? You think just regular American non-Jewish bankers won't figure out that they can charge you interest? You think random bankers in China are not going to figure out that they can charge you interest?

Speaker 35That is the problem. You get rid of this nonsense where some special class is somehow... Allowed to Rob You While It's Illegal for You. You get rid of that, you start solving problems. Once you start figuring out consistent principles that relate to the idea that we all have equal rights, it's not some special class that has a special right to somehow rob you.

Speaker 35No, we're all born equal. As long as we treat everyone equally that way, as long as we... We respect individual rights. As long as we don't allow anyone to rob anyone else, then we can start healing. We can't just fucking go to the voting booth and vote for randoms that are going to figure out how much they're allowed to steal from you.

Speaker 35And they're going to tell you all the wonderful things they're going to spend your money on.

Speaker 35If you keep all of your money, you don't allow these thieves to steal from you through taxation or inflation, especially inflation. Inflation is way worse than taxation because it's permanent. Every time your dollar gets inflated by 1%, it stays there. Inflation never went back down. You get your dollar inflated by 1%, it's inflated permanently.

Speaker 35Then it gets inflated by another percent, by another percent. In the last 100 years... It dropped like a shit coin. It's lost over 99% of its value. I mean, what else do you need to know? Like, you're being robbed. Don't allow anyone to rob you. As long as you respect the most basic principles, the most basic individual rights, you're not going to have these problems.

Speaker 35So once we get at least 10% of people to figure out that consistent principles demand that no one is able to rob anyone else, We can start healing.

Speaker 36Taxation is theft, and inflation is a taxation on the poor. 100%.

@joann_marieExcellent points for Matt. All right, shut it down. Welcome.

Speaker 32What's up, guys? So yeah, I'm coming here in good faith. I feel like I might be the only person that's on the other side of this, where I do think that Tyler Robinson was a shooter. I do... I do believe in the JQ stuff. I do have a question for David, the co-host. How do you go about convincing people of the theory when you have stuff like 9-11 where it's pretty cut and dry?

Speaker 32There's an incentive in the dancing Israelis or something like JFK where there's an incentive with nuclear, Demona. Jack Ruby, Jacob Rubenstein. I feel like it's pretty cut and dry. The intention and the reasons are there for that. But for Charlie Kirk, it's just really hard to find an incentive for Israel to be killing him.

Speaker 32Because he gatekept a lot of the information.

@nietzsche258918Okay, well, let's think about that for a second. By the way, every time I ask AI to operate under the hypothetical that Israel took them out, what would their motivation be? It's like two pages, right? It's very obvious. So here's the answer to that. First of all, we don't, like, if the gun don't fit, you must acquit, right?

@nietzsche258918So we don't know that the idea, when we have America's number one sniper who took out Osama bin Laden saying there's no way that that bullet would not have gone through, you know, I think, and we have a great many people talking like this, and of course, The bullet doesn't match the gun. We don't know for sure the bullet matches the gun, that sort of thing.

@nietzsche258918We just don't have enough evidence to say that it's Tyler Robinson. I can't disprove negatives, so I can't say otherwise. And by the way, I'm not wedded to the idea that it's otherwise. But the fact that there are, and I don't know, have you ever attended any of diligent spaces on citizen journalism about this?

Speaker 32Yeah, I've done a couple.

@nietzsche258918I get the idea, roughly. Yeah, well, it's just incredible legwork. And the holes in this story, it's just like one giant piece of Swiss cheese. And when people are persuading you, you know, the base level of a rational person is they have the pleasure of agreeing with themselves, that they themselves are consistent with what it is they're saying, and they're not.

@nietzsche258918The whole narrative around Tyler Robinson being the guy, is just falling apart. Okay, now let's put that aside because again, there's much more work to be done there. Now you ask, well, what motivation does Israel have in taking out Charlie Kirk? All the motivation in the world, that is all. All the motivation in the world.

@nietzsche258918He was the second most important person to Israel in America and I would say in the world behind Donald J. Trump. Why is that the case? Because The only group of people, and remember, Israel cannot really survive without American support. The only group of people that were holding to, that were not boomers, by the way, because remember, they're not making more boomers.

@nietzsche258918The only people that were somehow, some way still adhering to Israel were young conservative males as far as the hope for them. And then all of a sudden, Charlie Kirk starts talking to Tucker Carlson. He starts talking to Dave Smith. And now he's exposing his entire audience. It was very cynical, getting more cynical about Israel already to this alternative point of view.

@nietzsche258918It was clear that there was a dissonance, a divergence between Charlie Kirk of 10 years ago and Charlie Kirk's constituency. That is obvious. These people or these young people are bright and they're starting to see through it. And then what happens? Charlie Kirk says three heretical things. One is that Epstein was working with Mossad.

@nietzsche258918That's right. Israel's running that blackmail operation to control our country. Boom, that means they're our enemy. That's heretical. They said that people who say that are anti-Semites. Remember, this is their most important guy besides Trump to the entire existential survival of Israel. Number two, October 7th, he said that was not, that narrative was BS.

@nietzsche258918There's something rotten in Denmark or in Israel. He called them out again. They consider that anti-Semitic. And then lastly, he said that he feared they were going to take him out. He thought they were bullying him. He said all this on camera, and he had to walk away from this movement. And he refused the money. He refused those far more than 30 pieces of silver to stop talking to Tucker Carlson, stop talking to Dave Smith.

@nietzsche258918In fact, he even identified with them in the fact that they tried to bully Tucker Carlson as well. And so then what happens? He gets assassinated. And after he gets assassinated, this Christian organization called Turning Point all of a sudden is an Israeli organization from top to bottom. And all of a sudden now, they've now, including Demonica Kirk, spent every moment since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, assassinating Charlie Kirk's ideas, saying that anybody that says anything, any of these things I just said that Charlie Kirk said,

@nietzsche258918They are basically anti-Semites, they are evil, how dare they say this. So if they've assassinated Charlie Kirk, which by the way I think they have, now they're assassinating what he stood for and the organization that he represents is now obviously, and they're paid by Israel, we know this, obviously totally working in complete antithetical...

@nietzsche258918Opposition to what Charlie Kirk stood for. No more prove me wrong. No more go around to college campuses. No more preaching the word of Christianity so much as the word of, well, Israel. So no, I think all the motivation is there. Did you not pick up on this? Did you not see all of the motivation that they have and also the result?

@nietzsche258918It seems like they have majorly benefited in terms of in what direction TPUSA has gone.

Speaker 32I think that's fair. I'll yield to the idea of the TPUSA. It's very strange, Erica Kirk's behavior and all that. The Trump admin, the response to the Charlie Kirk thing, it felt like it was just a week of silence. You figure that there would have been more of a bigger response, at least to me.

Speaker 36Can I add to David? Not that it needed. I hate to say this, but Blake Neff, he literally came out with the plot point. Did he cut out?

@joann_marieYeah, he cut out. Oh, okay. Well, let's go to Hubbard and then Official and maybe David will come back.

@nietzsche258918Yeah, David, when we get you back, we'll let you finish your point.

Speaker 27Can't wait to hear from David, Ben. Definitely, I think Alchem's Razor is very useful here. Alchem's, yeah. Is it more likely that trans furry Tyler Robinson committed these acts or that Charlie was set up? And I thought it was like... When I first saw it, I thought it was a pro hit. I got warmed up to the idea it was Tyler Robinson, but I...

Speaker 27It looks like there's a lot of plot holes, and it is Swiss cheese. And Charlie Kirk, yeah, he was flipping. He was turning full noticer. He was saying, they open the borders, they hate white people, and accuse the very same thing they argue about being persecuted, that's what they do to white people. He was saying that about...

Speaker 27I think one of the people was saying he wasn't going back into the history and looking at the history of stuff, but he was noticing the behavior in relation to his own life. And they could see that he was turning that Overton window and like in an immune response to an infection, they started calling him an anti-Semite and boxing him in.

Speaker 27And the thing is,

Speaker 27He, talking about that October 7th thing, why he said that, in my opinion, is because he loves Israel. More than he actually, he loved Israel at that time in 2023, and he saw that Netanyahu did a false, basically, an inside job on October 7th, and he was like, this is really bad, I can see what's happening, and he could also see the direction it was going.

Speaker 27After that PBD podcast, he definitely got a very, very stern talking to. And then Epstein happens right after Trump gets elected, after the 12-day war. And that stern talking to wasn't enough. He was turning on them again. And you know what happens if you... They gave him one chance. I don't think they gave him a second.

@nietzsche258918And honestly, the Tyler Robertson story looks so bad that I actually think that he was not intended to live. I don't think any of the people, because remember there were other passies like George Zinn, I don't think if these people had roles, and this is true of Tyler Robinson if he did, that they knew what their respective roles were, but they're in a really tight spot right now because the narrative for Tyler Robinson is just collapsing.

@nietzsche258918I mean, the idea that he put on skinny jeans in order to hide a rifle, but he's an engineering guy.

@joann_marieThe letter, like, hello, my love. It is I, your patient, Tyler.

@nietzsche258918I just murdered Tyler Kirk. I call that like the Scooby-Doo moment, you know? Like, my wife and I always make Scooby-Doo references because she loves Scooby-Doo. It's like, you know how at the end where they explain it all? Oh, so you had the mask and then you did that and then they explain it all to you at the end? Yes, and I had to do this because I was mad, you know?

@nietzsche258918And it's so funny because... So you commit the biggest assassination, successfully, by the way, since JFK. And you get away, which is odd, right? And then you go have a Scooby-Doo moment where you explain it all. Yeah, and then you go, what, to Chick-fil-A or something? It's just all, it's ridiculous. And then now we realize that, oh, the people that were in charge of looking at his phone is an Israeli company.

@nietzsche258918That's a weird thing. Diligent talks about that. And then also, I forget. Oh, yes, the Pankwich thing, you know. Well, Diligent goes there and gets that receipt, and then all of a sudden he gets death threats. Why are you threatening a citizen journalist for going and getting a receipt? Like, what? Well, why is this such a bad thing?

@nietzsche258918And, of course, then Joe Kent says, oh, we were supposed to investigate Israel or whatever, but the FBI told us not to. It's like, how much... And then, oh, we paved over the crime scene. And then the interview, oh, and the guy with the cop who found the other bullet on the other, he had a freaking, his body cam, oh, my body cam battery went off.

@nietzsche258918Like all of this, it just goes on and on and on. And I'll remind you that Johnny Cochran, when he got OJ off, who painted the crime scene with his own blood, come on, he's like, sign OJ, this is my masterpiece. And yet he got off because what did the, What did the council do? What did Cochran do? He created a narrative that maybe the police were crooked.

@nietzsche258918And we don't even know whether that's true or not. But it's very odd that with all of this lack of evidence against Tyler Robinson and all of this clear obfuscation and evidence in the direction of an innuendo of Israel. 100% Inconvenient! Go ahead, go ahead.

Ian MalcolmAnd with that, I'm actually going to use that as a perfect bookend to what was a space far longer than anticipated. And I say that because I think we came in here and I was messaging with David earlier after all of this took place with this debate. And I said, should we just do it a little impromptu space? And here we are all these hours later.

Ian MalcolmAnd I just sincerely, I want to thank him. I want to, and, and I actually, I don't even want to just say, I want to thank him because that's not sufficient. I want to thank him for everything on this space. I want to thank him for all of the insights that he presented for jumping in, uh, for, for not only kind of majestically walking through so much of the ins and outs of the debate, but also of the court case presenting all of his perspectives on it.

Ian MalcolmAnd like I said, I think that actually serves a really nice bookend because what he just did is he went through all of those questions that we've been uncovering and that we've been asking along the way that have brought us to this conclusion that we don't know exactly what happened. There's still lots of questions to be kind of revealed, right?

Ian MalcolmBut what we do know is that the official narrative, well, it smells really bad, right? And at first we thought it was a little off and then it got a lot off and now basically

Ian MalcolmWe saw the other by Andrew Wilson, which was basically trying to suggest, no, the federal narrative is pretty much lock, stock, two smoking barrels, and it's a pretty smoking gun case. Well, that seems to not be. And I can say that because even Andrew Wilson said he's 70% sure it happened the way the federal government is saying, right?

Ian MalcolmSo he even had to admit in this very debate that something's off, right? Or at least he thinks that there's a pretty reasonable chance, almost a third of a chance that something is off, right? And so that's what we've been suggesting. Now, we will continue doing that. We'll continue asking all these questions. Along the way, we will thank all the great minds like David Nietzsche for everything that he has been doing, trying to understand this.

Ian MalcolmWe will also be incredibly thankful to all of those that will ask the questions with us. It doesn't matter why. It doesn't matter if they are fully on board with Jewish supremacy. The term that David Nietzsche, I believe, coined... Not only has he coined, but it's now regularly being used by the likes of Nick Fuentes. It's actually trending on a lot of Google search trends.

Ian MalcolmIt's up essentially 200% in the last two years, that term, and it's search virality. We are changing the world by having these spaces, asking these questions, and bringing attention to a subject that just... Two or three years ago, virtually nobody was willing to discuss. And along the way, we've made all of these connections, not just on this case, not just on this topic, but with one another.

Ian MalcolmAnd I see lots and lots of really warm faces, lovely faces like those of Official Dre, who we've met along the way, who, oh, by the way, not too long from now, is going to be flying out to Las Vegas to debate none other than Rabbi Shmuley, a person that I had never met. Just a couple years ago. And now I have the pleasure of calling my friend here on this application.

Ian MalcolmFolks like Amiru, who once upon a time were like, you know, I think you guys might be overstating this issue with Jewish supremacy. And now here we are, right? Because we are all starting to recognize that some stuff is really off, right? With this case, with the state of the United States, both the president... as well as in the past.

Ian MalcolmAnd we start uncovering these things. And just like the Tyler Robinson narrative, we find there's lots of issues in lots of narratives with the USS Liberty, with JFK, with his brother Bobby, and with all of the madness that brings us to today, right? So we're going to continue to do basically two things, to examine the past and the present, right?

Ian MalcolmTo try and understand what is going on. and we're going to discuss those things past and present so that we can help make a better future than the one that we have walked into that is represented by today and yesterday and the day before that and before that and before that and before that and before that, right? And it has been my humble pleasure and blessing to be along this journey.

Ian MalcolmWe have not won. I believe that we have one in the grand scheme of things, though, because if we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to wake up more and more and more people. And the next thing you know, little anonymous handles on X help to generate some of the largest spaces on this application, right? We're having, in some cases, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions and millions and millions.

Ian MalcolmIn the case of Mandy, 15 plus million views in a single post. All part of this movement that we are trying to build with one another as a collective to move our collective interest forward, not just again for those in this room, for those of this ideology, but for all of us, right? Our movement is basically for all of humanity.

Ian MalcolmThe alternative is the Jewish depremative narrative, which is only of benefit to them. And by them, it's a really small ethnocentric group. That basically hates us and they view us, just like in the Matrix, like a battery. So we are going to stand in opposition to this thing. And as we do, again, we're going to build a stronger network of ideas, a network of people.

Ian MalcolmAnd we essentially create something because it's not about a person. It's not about a single thing. It is about this greater good for everybody shared by just about everyone. That becomes an ideal. Did Ian cut out or is it just me? He cut out. No, he did cut out.

@joann_marieOkay, I'm going to message Ian.

@nietzsche258918He was saying something like, JoAnn is the most awesome person that keeps the ship going, and we love her very much.

@joann_marieI know, I love you guys. It's my absolute pleasure. You guys are my favorite people ever. I love you all. I love being here. I'm going to message Ian to let him know that we couldn't hear his last. But thank you, David. You did amazing today, and thank you.

@nietzsche258918And I agree with the whole solidarity thing, and if Ian... Can't get back and he just closed the space down. Wonderful, wonderful, impromptu space. Everybody that contributed, all the listeners, I hope you keep listening. It's just awesome. Really enjoyed it.

@joann_marieOh yeah, he's having connection issues. Guys, see you guys at Truth Tellers. I posted in the Jumbotron, so see you all there, and it's going to be amazing. Ian, you're the absolute greatest. David, I love you. Everybody, I love you all, so thank you so much. And say hi to Miss Nietzsche. I shall.

@nietzsche258918This is like a planned crash, you know? We're all going to collectively land our plane.

@joann_mariePut on your seatbelt, guys. Okay.

Speaker 35Much love, much love. You guys are the greatest. I'll catch you in another space.

@joann_marieYeah, Untruth Tellers is in the Jumbotron. Hopefully Ian saved it. Ian? Nope, it's still not there. Anyway, excellent space, so thank you.

@joann_marieIt will crash in three, two, one.

@nietzsche258918This is where Ambrose sings a song, as usual.

Speaker 9Oh, this is where... I actually sing that to myself.

@joann_marieI go from Hava Nagila to... Ian, did you save it? Ian?

Speaker 14No.

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